Why didn't the Japanese appreciate Nintendo 64 as much as the Americans?
>>12057296No jarpigs
>>12057296Unironically people started pushing back against the Yakuza in the 90s
Because it's mainly milk drinking Europeans can appreciate 3D games without feeling sick or tired. But there are a subset of people who are above the general population - such as Nintendo's staff who made Mario 64 and OOT. The PS1 and Saturn were 2D consoles, so they were more popular to the Japanese.
>>12057324This is the biggest, most insane cope I've ever read on /vr/
>>12057296Some of the most popular Japanese publishers like Square, Konami and Capcom released their games for PSX.
>>12057296because except for star fox none of the most popular snes games got actual followups on n64. mario and zelda? they got completely different games that feature the same protagonist, if you wanted a real followup to LTTP you had to buy alrundra. if you wanted the new street fighter you had to buy a ps1. if you wanted the new megaman games you had to buy a ps1. if you wanted the new castlevania game instead of a tomb raider where you fight dracula you had to buy a ps1. if you wanted the new final fantasy and dragon quest you had to buy a ps1.
>>12057296I want to say because Square went to the PS1 and it had all the JRPG's. Japs love JRPG's and shmups.
>>12057296Cartridges.
>>12054951Hey... wait a second...
>>12057330It doesn't even make sense. Plus the PS1's biggest titles were 3D. Nigga is off his rocker.
>>12057370Tekken and FF had 3D models, but they aren't 3D games.
>>12057296PS1 had Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, and the PS1 games were cheap and plentiful. The PS1 had around 4,200 games released for it worldwide, and out of that number around 2,300 were Japan-exclusive. Nintendo just couldn't compete against that.
>>12057395the best selling ps1 game of all time is gran turismo which is a fully 3D game>it doesn't count because its carstomb raider, kings field, armored core, mgs, they even have scrimblo games like spyro and jumping flash
>>12057412>tomb raider, kings field, armored core, mgs, they even have scrimblo games like spyro and jumping flashthey don't count because it's not nintendo
>promised Project 64>doesn't even have mass storage>rejects any disk expansion in favor of moving on to next consoleIt was a lie all along
N64 has many of Japan's million sellers from 5th gen though.Japan even likes some N64 games that the gritty west detest, like Yoshi's Story, Kirby Crystal Shards and Mario Tennis.I know, we must change the narrative to Nintendo was ever good etc etc, but...
>>12057296no jrpgsno arcade ports
N64 did fine in Japan. Not the best obviously but you people talk like it was their atari jaguar. If the n64 was as big a disaster as you guys say Nintendo would have never lived to see the 6th generation. The truth is it did fine. Middle of the pack. The people who bought n64 also really bought its software too so that helped.
>>12057576Not one Capcom fighter. People were expecting SF3 but got nothing.
>>12057587umm actually none of the youtubers I watched played SF2 as a kid so nobody bought that game on snes, nevermind it literally made the top 10 list twice and was the single most popular game on the planet for about a year and a half
>>12057332Konami released better games on N64.
>>12057296Japanese are less big on platforms for whatever reason. Popular licensed games like 007 and SW are also less interesting to your average japanese teen. No decent jrpg in a jrpg gen. No good fighter either.
>>12057581At that point Nintendo was probably making a billion dollars a day off of Pokemon cards and GBA games. There was zero chance of them going out if business even if the N64 got its ass beat by the PS1.
The N64 has few games, and most of them are terrible. It also fails to represent a lot of important genres. I can't understand the American obsession with the device. It's awful.In my shithole, even the SNES and Mega Drive had more appeal than the N64. People either had the PSX, or the very poor stuck with 16-bit consoles because they at least had a decent library. The N64 was expensive and bad.
>>12057740It has enjoyable games Thats all there is to it>i don't like themOk.
BTW when people say american sales they mean more than just Burgerstan, the N64 was also popular in Canada and Mexico, and part of South America (but only for upper class families, as N64 had no piracy - actually there existed but was rare and still expensive)
>>12057747N64 games were visually unappealing and unpleasant to play. Input lag of 100ms was the norm on the console, even on CRTs.There's practically nothing in that console's library that is really worth playing if you have even the slightest standards. Liking N64 blockbusters now is like a 50-year-old who claims to love cinema but thinks Jurassic Park or Back to the Future are the pinnacle of film, i.e., someone who has never really delved into what the media he is experiencing truly represents.I can think of a few games that have stood the test of time. F-Zero X is a mediocre game, but at least it's playable. You'll also find a few things like Dr. Mario, Panel de Pon (that Pokémon version), and a few other things that are at least playable, but that's it.People who think that Ocarina of Time, with its 20 fps and puddle depth, is good, to me, are like a 50-year-old guy talking about how Back to the Future is a masterpiece...
>>12057767Ok
>>12057296Too many based games like Turok and Goldeneye. Japs are allergic to masculine games and good gameplay.
>>12057767>like a 50-year-old guy talking about how Back to the Future is a masterpieceamongst the most unsufferable kind of boomers, and i do like bttf.
>>12057740>>12057767Another self-professed thirdie seething about the N64 while pretending genre-defining games like OoT that his favourite game developers likely cite among their favourites of all-time were bad.
Because the N64 is a piece of shit with shit audio and no games in japan and flopped regrettably. No one in their right mind would get one over the PS1.
>>12057801>is that a shooter I can get on PC but with worse framerate, massive fog everywhere, and worse sound?
>>12057814Many people just got both.Why is it that in both N64 and Saturn threads there's some snoy shitting it up?
>>12057801/thread
>>12057296Because Square, Capcom and, to a lesser extent Konami, stabbed them in the back.
>>12057581>but you people talk like it was their atari jaguarIt was the Sega Mega Drive of the 5th gen. If you hold the opinion that N64 did fine in Japan, then you should opine the same about the MD's Japanese performance.
>>12057576>shitty shoot em upsShut the fuck up faggot
>>12058067Did MD get any million seller games in Japan? I think the highest selling game there was Puyo Puyo 2 and didn't get to a million
>>12058059>censors your games>gives you worse devkits on purpose>prevents you from releasing too many games on their system >insists on using expensive carts instead of CDwhat the fuck bros, why are they betraying the prophet nintendo by going to someone that doesn't blatantly try to create a monopoly and is cheaper to develop games for?
>>12058073The only reason N64 had million sellers was because the library was so limited, everyone practically had to buy the same games. And since the Japanese didn't give a fuck about RARE, it was easy to sell Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, because it was all the system had for them.
>>12058090The Japanese love DKC though
>>12058087>>censors your gamesMM Legends was censored on PS1 but not N64. Was anything cendored in RE2 for N64?Are you talking about NES censorship? That was all NoA and it ended in 1994 with Mortal Kombat II.
>>12057812Tendies resorting to petty forms of racism to defend the N64, you love to see it.The other anon is right though. Outside of FPS games and first party titles, the N64 doesn't have that much.
>>12058092They see it as Nintendo property, which it is. Tell me how how non DK rare titles did in Japan.
>>12058090>The only reason N64 had million sellers was because the library was so limited, everyone practically had to buy the same games.People don't buu games just because, otherwise other consoles like Jaguar and Amiga CD32 would also have great selling gsmes because their library is limited.
>>12058107I didn't say those games were bad, just that they were a no-brainer choice if you're getting a 64, and again no variety simplifies things. The problem with the Jaguar and CD32 is that they sucked and the systems failed on a fundamental level from the very beginning. Hard to sell a million copies of a game if you don't even sell a million consoles.
>>12058103It has some really good racing games, wrestling games, also N64 has some good 3D fighting games that are often ignored because, basically, they aren't Tekken or VF, but honestly some can be really fun to fuck around and they have that crazy 90s feel to them that 2000s fighting games just didn't have anymore.
>>12057296Because its storage medium for games were cartridges, while Playstation and Saturn used CDs (which not only had a lot more space but were also way cheaper to produce).And in Japan, a lot of console players loved 1) JRPGs (which require the extra space for its hundreds of assets) 2) 2D games, or games that feature anime illustrations and videos 3) CD quality music.Nintendo choosing cartridges for the N64 essentially lost them several millions of japanese players who up to that point were mostly on Famicom (NES) and Super Famicom (SNES).They not only lost the vast majority of JRPG players and games (E.g. Final Fantasy games, Dragon Quest 7, Star Ocean 2, Breath of Fire 3 & 4, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross, Tales of games, etc) but 2d games and their players (E.g. The Langrisser games, all the ports of 2d fighting games like Capcom and SNK's, Castlevania, etc), plus anime stuff (E.g. They lost the Dragon fucking Ball games and a myriad of other licensed titles).Meanwhile on Playstation or/and Saturn people enjoyed games like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L96o77rmRF4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njMK04xlSf4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hYOtbE-DHwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcnY7_3YkN0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=923fVDDwaHohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La5SvNbViKEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDOrjhlRPdAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9HiMjfcg4ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHR6wdUBSgcand an endless etc.Nintendo's decision costed them also the hegemony in the console market they had built in the 8 and 16bit eras.That said, I'm still OKAY with this as their choice allowed for the N64 to have some exclusive games that otherwise wouldn't be how they are, such as Super Mario 64, TLOZ OoT and MM, Star Fox 64, F-Zero X and Super Smash Bros.
>>12057301FPBPNips just bought whatever had Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, simple as
>>12058284More:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ycxcu02S0Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce_cp6mo3z0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f4eGQ9MIWMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oziuc_j-eohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vfv0-32LmUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-pmQsRDHwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY3kDYwlErohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyBensMp_MAOh man. At least they got their shit together with the Switch.
>>12058284>>12058351P.S. What really pissed me off at the time, was that Nintendo could have recovered the lost audiences and game franchises with the Gamecube IF ONLY it had used DVDs, or with the Wii IF ONLY it came with a standard gamepad out the box and not just the Wiimote and Nunchuk, or with the Wii U IF ONLY its default controller wasn't a semi-portable brick...History could've been a lot different if they didn't make those choices.
is this the n64 thread?Can we tell what year my console was based on the serial number?
>>12057767>50-year-old guy talking about how Back to the Future is a masterpiece...You really nailed it. N64 zealots are the "Boomer with 3 heart attacks, a size 45 waist, who drunk drives everywhere, who drunkenly threatens to beat you up because you don't think Motley Crue and Ghostbusters are the pinnacle of entertainment." of millennial retrogamers.Spending thousands of hours of their life hyping up collectathons and filtering themselves away from the entire 90s PC and Saturn library and unironically making claims like, "Doom 64 was the pinnacle of the franchise."There are like 5 good games made for the console, and 3 of them are by rare.
>>12058708>Motley CrueWHOA YEAHKICKSTART MY HEART HOPE IT NEVER STOPSWHOAYEAHBABYYYYYYYYYY
>>12058718For me, it was Panama.HOT SHOEBURNING DOWN THE AVENUE
This is a Saturn schizo thread btw
>12057324>Because it's mainly milk drinking Europeans can appreciate 3D games without feeling sick or tired. B
>>12058284fair
>12057324>The PS1 and Saturn were 2D consolesyeah ? What a strange thing for a nintroon to srau utter bullshit about non nintroono systemsm mow originalhttps://youtu.be/KLlwfYwKBm0?feature=shared&t=183
>>12057296The real question is why did Americans appreciate the N64 when noone else did.
>>12058284Most of the games you mentioned are either ports from other/older systems or straight up just suck, and Castlevania was better on N64 anyways. At least post good original PS1/Saturn games and don't use flashy, shittily upscaled opening FMVs to illustrate your point.>1) JRPGsStarted going to shit in this generation when they bogged it down with awful loading times, slow and perfunctory battle systems, terrible and lengthy stories, transition screens, cutscenes, voice acting, and four times the length than they had content to back them up.>3) CD quality music.Most of the games you mentioned use sequenced music, with shit like Phantasia PS1 having a blatantly downgraded soundtrack vs the SNES version.>They lost the Dragon fucking Ball gamesUltimate Battle 22 and Final Bout were omega kusoges, nothing of value was lost.>>12058428>Nintendo could have recovered the lost audiencesThey actually recovered some with the Wii and then proceeded to burn that again with shit vanity software like Wii Music, Other M and Skyward Sword.>with the Wii IF ONLY it came with a standard gamepad out the box and not just the Wiimote and NunchukThe Classic Controller released on the same day as the Wii and Wii outperformed the HD twins in Japan as well, also that's not why third parties went with their HD graphics despite the production costs increasing too much at the time. Still, the Wii has some of the most creative games ever made, but that requires researching and ignoring all the shovelware nonsense (which every successful console has to some degree).
>>12059940brand loyalty
>>12059941>Most of the games you mentioned are either ports from other/older systems or straight up just suck, and Castlevania was better on N64 anywaysOpinion and post discarded.
>>12058093>Fire Temple chanting>Gracie and Sahara>Celadon Gym old man
>>12057301Or Capcom fighting games.
>>12060093Not an argument, weaboo.
>>12057296>Almost no RPGs>No fighting games that Japan cares about, like Capcom fighters or Tekken>Almost no Shmups>Almost no visual novel / adventure games>Very few puzzle games>Very few 2D platformers>Only 25 arcade ports, most of which were not arcade hits in Japan>Almost no strategy/tactical games>The only licenced games based on a Japanese anime/manga IPs are EVA, Ultraman, Super B-Daman and three Doraemon gamesGee I wonder why the average Japanese consumer in the '90s had little interest in such a machine
>>12061473but mario and zelda ought to be enough for everyone...
The Japanese care more about the blue slime enemy from Dragon Quest than they do about Mario or Link.
>>12057296They were still making and selling Super Famicom games as late as 2001. Japan just didn't want to move on.
>>12061480This was when Mario was starting to not be cool/"gay" and became an entirely different thing with Mario 64. But ideally you want as much third party support on your platform as possible to cover all genre bases.
>>12057296The N64 is extremely unaesthetic.
>>12060005>brand loyaltyI.e. Retardation.>>12060093No argument is required when dealing with a fanboy retard that claims that the N64 Castlevania are better than SOTN. You should honestly kill yourself as there's no cure.
>>12061495>making and selling Super Famicom games as late as 2001Usually RPGs or VNs or adjacent genres
>>12058297But why?
>>12063730Which isn't to say you shouldn't enjoy them, of course. But being blinded by brand loyal or nostalgia goggles is fucking retarded and all is doing is preventing you from enjoying whatever you can in this dying hobby filled with movie game trash and woke shit.
>>12063740P.S. I swear to God, this board is filled with fanboy retards. Have you seen modern AAA games? It's all going to the shitter.Enjoy what you can or kill yourself.
>>12063730You quoted the wrong post, but ironic that you call me a fanboy when I actually think the N64 was a mistake and that Nintendo dropped the ball massively in that gen. Even more ironic is how you claim that despite praising the more normie choices of the console just because Nintendo made them and the internet says "they are masterpieces".Also no argument again; SotN is a fat load of nothing with completely uninteresting level design that is entirely carried by its visuals, smoothness and music.>>12063740>But being blinded by brand loyal or nostalgia gogglesOh, but you somehow aren't blinded towards the PS1 somehow? Unlike you, I'm not a shallow prick and can actually use my brain.>all is doing is preventing you from enjoying whatever you can in this dying hobby filled with movie game trash and woke shit.Moving the goalposts again, just like in the other thread. Try applying that message to your self and actually play Castlevania 64, maybe you'd find some enjoyment out of it.>>12063754>Enjoy what you can or kill yourself.Calm down, schizo. If this is your only card left it means you're on the ropes.
>>12064441Read >>12064781, I replied to you in the other thread.>when I actually think the N64 was a mistake and that Nintendo dropped the ball massively in that genDidn't know that and didn't continue reading your post after you claimed that the N64 CVs are better than SOTN, or that most of the games I posted >>12058284>>12058351are "either ports from other/older systems or straight up just suck" here >>12059941The only one that really sucks is Dragon Ball GT and to a lesser extend Legend of Mana and Thousand Arms. You claimed the list of games composed of:Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9, FF Tactics, DQ7, Star Ocean 2, BoF 3&4, Chrono Cross, Tales of Destiny, Tales of Eternia, the Langrisser games, Castlevania SOTN, Policenauts, Sakura Wars, Saturn Bomberman, the Shining Force III games, Front Mission 3, Suikoden 2, Alundra, Wild Arms and motherfucking Xenogears "straight up just suck". How could I NOT assume you're a retarded fanboy based on that alone?>SotN is a fat load of nothing with completely uninteresting level design that is entirely carried by its visuals, smoothness and music.Welp, there goes your chance to prove you're not a retarded fanboy.Btw, you know what other Castlevania Nintendo lost because of the cartridge decision? RONDO OF FUCKING BLOOD, to the PC Engine CD.I'm not bothering to read the rest of your bullshit.
Ah, screw it. >>12064441>Oh, but you somehow aren't blinded towards the PS1 somehow?I'm more of a Sega guy, but yes, I was impressed by the PSX catalog. That said, I still like the N64 catalog, which is why I'm OKAY with Nintendo's decision regarding cartridges EVEN THOUGH it costed them a ton of third party games and sales. As stated in the very post you replied to btw >>12058284And I'd like to add to my favorites on that platform Mischief Makers and Sin & Punishment.>Unlike you, I'm not a shallow prick and can actually use my brain.You said the following here >>12059941 :>"At least post good original PS1/Saturn games and don't use flashy, shittily upscaled opening FMVs to illustrate your point."LOL. You probably didn't even see which games they're. >Calm down, schizoPot, met keetle.
>>12064441P.S. Btw I changed my mind, you shouldn't kill yourself.You should keep responding to me and spending every day defending a faceless corporation that doesn't give the slightest of fucks about you beyond that you give them your money.
N64 is a comfy, easygoing experience It's like the Yacht Rock of video game consolesIt's for chads who don't see the point in stressing themselves out with autistic bullshit
>>12064812Again, did you actually play the game, or are you just going with whatever nonsense you heard on the internet?>You claimed the list of games composed of [...] "straight up just suck". You forgot the part where I said many of these were ports from other systems, like Policenauts and all the fighting games. Your point was "games that the N64 lost" and then proceed to list something like Saturn Bomberman, even though the N64 got four fucking Bomberman games.Also, have you even played everything that you listed, or only shilled it because le cool anime FMV? You only mentioned Langrisser III (which sucks dick) and now you mention all of them (IV and V aren't very good either). From this list I'd only say FF7, SO2, Sakura Wars, Saturn Bomberman and SF3 don't suck, and out of these only Saturn Bomberman really offer true replayability.>motherfucking Xenogears "straight up just suck". Yes? The combat system isn't very interesting; it isn't quick and snappy to get through faster either. All while going through mostly dreadful dungeons. At least mention an interesting Squaresoft game like SaGa Frontier even if also unfinished.>Welp, there goes your chance to prove you're not a retarded fanboy.How again and fanboy of what? Because I talked shit about a game you like due to superficial factors? The game is braindead since the balancing is nonexistent and the level design consists in cramped, copypasted corridors with no platforming. It's the anti-thesis to Castlevania's design.>Btw, you know what other Castlevania Nintendo lost because of the cartridge decision? RONDO OF FUCKING BLOOD, to the PC Engine CD.That ugly game with corridor levels and no platforming or challenge? On the SNES? You know the PCE CD was an add-on that required extra cash, no? And Dracula X is better anyways; Rondo's reputation was been inflated by it being Japan-only back then.And speaking of Rondo, they fucked up the Axe Armor enemy that they recycled into SotN.
>>12064878Wait. It seems we're off sync. Check the other thread. Might reply to you here later.
>>12064828>>12064834No arguments again, you also didn't argue against any of my original claims either. Which corporation again?
>>12064878>>12064886Calm your head like I just did mine and read my final answer here.>>12064840>>12064910>>12064932Anyway, I'm not reading the posts you just made ITT nor am I arguing with you anymore, and I apologize for the misunderstandings I might have caused. Not only are we both wasting our time but we're littering OP's thread.Let's part ways amicably as it should be and agree to disagree on the topics we don't see eye to eye.My apologizes to the OP of this thread too and the other anons who had this thread filled with a needless internet slapfight.Please ignore these conversations and resume talking about the OP topic if you want.Good bye.
>>12057409I knew the Saturn library was mostly JP-only but I didn't realize the PS1 was the same wayWhat are some great JP-exclusive PS1 games?
>>12057296No visual novelsNo JRPGsNo weird pervy gamesNo fighting games
>>12066304Gradius Gaiden
>>12066325Surprised it's well regarded when it's just another casualisation from KCE Tokyo, the same subsidiary behind SotN.
>>12066358?It's a console Shmup of course it will be easierIt's still a challenging game
>>12057296>>12059940>carts were expensive>Japan saw carts as ancient (aside from portables) because they started getting CD games in the 80s>Europe had huge bootlegging markets where PS1 games were $1>Nintendo burned several of their closest partners in the early SFC eraAmerica was a unique opportunity for the N64 to be a definitive party system because it had 4 controller ports and tons of 4P multiplayer games. I couldn't begin to count the number of times I saw N64, Xbox, and Wii at parties. Never once saw people playing 4P on a PS1/PS2 with a MultiTap.>>12061867I thought Sunshine was when Mario became gay but I see your point>>12061495The jump from SFC to N64 in Japan was a bit like the jump from PS2 to PS3. SFC had a big install base. N64 didn't. People made SFC games much longer to capture the much bigger market share. >>12058059Nintendo stabbed all their closest and most loyal partners in the back first. The PlayStation launched off like a rocket out of spite towards Nintendo being greedy - Sony, Namco, Konami, Capcom, etc.
>>12057296From what I've heard about the PSX's popularity elsewhere in the world (not just Japan), the real question is why did Americans like the N64 so much.
>>12066773See>>12064836 N64 is the dream of the 80s carried into the 90s. Very powerful meaning for us Americans
>>12059941>Most of the games you mentioned are either ports from other/older systems or straight up just suckThat is the majority of system sellers, retardbro
