The Japanese versions of games are the main version. The localizations (NA or EU versions) are just derivative versions.>but anon, games were IMPROVED for their western release!No, they often had the difficulty lowered because western gamers are babies. Like Mega Man 2, which was made easier but you guys still claim it's hard. And some games did the opposite and increased the difficulty because of the rental market. The only way to get the true intended experience is to play the original.>But the western versions fixed bugs!They also introduced tons of them. Translating games back then was basically hacking them because text characters were graphical elements and not actual text, so translations often introduced bugs that weren't in the originals.They also censored the living shit out of everything. Graphics, dialogue, everything. And if we're talking about NES games, they have worse audio too because of missing sound hardware. Yeah that's right, if you played Zelda, Castlevania, Metroid, Kid Icarus, etc, than you got the shitty version with gimped music.>but [developer] said they like the English version better and they used the English script to make changes in the originalNo they didn't>ywnbjTry responding to what was said>but I like my shitty localizationYou like shit?>why is Doraemon fat?He let himself go after 20 years of bed breaking sex with shizuka-chanObviously this doesn't apply to American games. I say this is obvious but there will still be at least one retard who says it if I don't.
Working Designs outperformed the original developer.Gamers are very concerned, as we are, that the original game stay intact as much as possible. We really try hard to give the American gamer the same experience the Japanese gamer had when playing the original game. In reality, we meet, and sometimes exceed, the quality of the original Japanese game.— Lunar: The Silver Star US manual, p. 22
>>12479059Ok.
Agreed. I only play video games in their glorious original niponese. Glands Theftu Auto Vaisu Citi is my favorite Puraysutationu Tuu game published by Capcom.
>>12479064I didn't know Working Designs were based retards
>>12479064>Working DesignsHoly fucking shit you should unironically kill yourself for even saying that>>12479068The JP ROM is the finished version of the game. The US version is missing some stuff.>>12479069See? I said this would happen and it did.
>>12479059>The Japanese versions of games are the main version.The Japanese version of Doom is the main version?
Famicom Maniac Mansion sucked, though. LucasArts decided to make a new version from scratch than localize it.
>>12479059>difficulty lowered because western gamers are babieswrong more games had their shit cranked up because of video game rentals look at castlevania 3
>>12479087wrong, that's an urban myth. some games got easier in the US version, some harder. it was mainly based on player feedback from Japan if they thought the game was too easy or too hard.
>>12479079The Japanese release is a revised version with bugfixes. Refer to the first 2 points you made in the OP.
>>12479084Yes.
>>12479059Japanese SMB3 was totally a rushed beta and the US version was a lot better.
>>12479059based OP saying things like they are.>have game balanced around having 3 hit points per live>western version removes it and makes it one hit kill>also remove useful cheats and limits continues just becausefuck, that. i patch the game to have 3 hits and infinite continues.
>>12479069>>12479084>>12479086Obviously this doesn't apply to American games. I say this is obvious but there will still be at least one retard who says it if I don't.
>>12479141(me)meant to quote
>>12479087A lot of games were made easier. Look at Mega Man 2
>>12479091The Japanese release is the finished version of the game. The US release is missing graphical effects that are in the Japanese release.>>12479109You only think the American release is better because you got filtered by the higher difficulty of the Japanese release.
>>12479147Unless Star Force, the US version is way more punishing.
>The year is 2026.>/vr/, the board dedicated to the discussion of retro games, has become a cesspit.>Gone are earnest and legitimate discussions of games.>In its place is a sea of garbage constantly propagated by the mentally ill.>When asked if they may stop this campaign of trash, they respond by claiming they are discussing video games as if that's their only "gotcha".>Ignore how making objective claims about subjective things isn't discussing video games.>The mods simply do not care to update the board's rules to allow such discussions nor do they care to enforce the rules they've currently set in stone.>Some say the board has become a cautionary tale of holding onto the past.>Others say that the board has always had a trash problem.>One thing I know for sure is that we no longer talk about games.
>>12479156Meta is against the rules. If you don't like this thread than quit being a faggot and make a better thread.
>>12479079Not him but I totally agree. I'm replaying Lunar 2 right now and it's difficulty is still perfect. Dungeons actually test you, you have to pay attention to enemy animations and take out the ones about to pull off their dangerous attacks and bosses usually drain your resources. They balanced it perfectly so that by exploring each area or dungeon you come to will be challenging but require no grinding at all and the boss at the end usually nearly kicks your ass but you can win if you pay attention and play smartly. My first time through the final battle woth Zophar ended with my whole party dead except Hiro who ran out of all healing and starlights, in the red of health but won with a final regular sword attack. Boss battles don't get any better than that.
>>12479187>inb4 before someone complains about the Bill Clinton jokeBig deal, Japanese games had lots of dated, corny references to current events and pop culture too.
>>12479187>>12479197Oh look, trannylators ruining video games. Business as usual.
>>12479197>That's justifies our vandalism
This is the shitposting I come to /vr/ for.
What about games where the original company updated the game for US release? Culture Brain seemed to be fond of doing this.
>>12479197Actually I'm the one who always complained about that joke, but it specifically has softened on me over the years and overall the translation is good fun. I take back my trolling of Vic, if 30 years ago I knew the world would turn into the shit ball it has I'd have appreciated it a lot more.
>BASTARDIZATIONS GOOD NOW EEEEEEEEEEHHHHJesus, nuke this board now
>>12479159I am describing the state of discussing retro games, which is in turn discussing retro games. I see no metaposting going on here.
>>12479214You can nuke it for yourself by closing the browser and not coming back. But if you're on /vr/ you're unfortunately stuck with me, like it or not. :)The difficulty changes were always a great thing and make it better than the original.
>>12479208What do you mean?
>>12479187>>12479197>>12479201>>12479203>>12479213>>12479214>>12479225It's literally cultural vandalism
Clearly you don't know much about games, or really anything at all.
Cleary you know a lot about games, or really everything at all
>>12479059They quite often didn't have their difficulty lowered because of rentals in Anerica you dumb fuck lmao
>>12479059Super Mario USA, Shatterhand, DeCap Attack and Kid Clown in Night Mayor World, are all supperior versions to what they are built off of.
>>12479059MegaMan 2 has the exact same level of difficulty in non jap versions if you select the Difficult option.
>>12479236Then play the Japanese versions. No one is stopping you. But this is an English board, we're going to talk about the translations.
>>12479247Famicom Zelda II was also a rough beta version, the US one was the properly finished game.
>>12479059>Yeah that's right, if you played Zelda, Castlevania, Metroid, Kid Icarus, etc, than you got the shitty version with gimped music.I will take a cart with slightly downgraded music over dealing with floppy disk shit any day.
The Jews murdered JFK, bombed the USS Liberty, and bombed the Twin Towers. Then they injected you with poison.
>>12479253you can't hear the music on a toaster NES anyway
>>12479260I can’t hear music because I was vaccinated.
>>12479245>AnericaYou can't even spell the name of your own country
>>12479247Fuck you, Magical Hat is amazing
>>12479264You’re vaccinated.
>>12479059The first version is always the glorified beta test. Look at something like FF7. They added stuff to the US release and then brought that back home for FF7 International.
>>12479260You can with a simple mod and a $2 resistor.
>>12479272>The first version is always the glorified beta testIf you go through ROM sets always choose the last revision of a given game as it probably has bug fixes and whatnot.
>>12479278You’re vaccinated.
>>12479278Except when the bug fixes are gay, like in cockarina of time.
>>12479281You’re vaccinated.
>>12479271>>12479275>>12479280I'm vaccinated to your faggotry.
>>12479272>The first version is always the glorified beta testso's the hardware as well, the first Famicoms were a flaky test unit that got recalled by Nintendo
>>12479283No, your vaccinated with poison. You have AIDS.
>>12479285And i just passed it on to your mother and sister, homo.
>>12479272Unless it was NES Bard's Tale where they were asshole enough to chop out half the game to save $3.
>>12479287Epic. But you still have AIDS
>>12479271You're going to die of an easily preventable disease
>>12479284Explain Mega Drive
>>12479294No, that’s you. You have AIDS.
>>12479297I'm not a faggot
>>12479296It was a scaled down System 16 so the hardware was already proven stuff.
>>12479309Hence I'm not a faggot like you.>>12479307And the first model is the best one
>>12479340I’m not gay, but you have AIDS.
The first Atari 2600 from the late 70s was generally regarded as the best model, later versions were cheapening of various kinds.
>>12479059>>12479141Has he tried not fucking Shizuka-chan?
If you actually wanna decide things for yourself, just visit The Cutting Room Floor and see exactly what makes each version of a game different, including revisions. Then play them for yourself and go with the variant you like most. They're games, not holy relics. Do whatever the fuck you want.
>>12479376of course if you are a cartridge collector you have no way to know what version you have
>>12479343STOP SHITTING UP THE THREAD
>>12479387I mean, many Nintendo cartridges mention what revision they are on the cartridge itself. Don't know how common that was with other companies.
>>12479387You can find out easily with a sani cart reader>>12479362If you had the option to have sex with shizuka-chan and you decided not to, that would be extremely gay
>>12479394Was this thread really worthwhile? Ask yourself that.
>>12479401Yes
>>12479403I disagree.
>>12479405Than go away
>>12479059Reminder:You must be at least 18 to use the 4chin
>>12479410Ok, so log off
>>12479059>they often had the difficulty lowered because western gamers are babiesMost of the time the US version is actually the harder one. You do have a few exceptions like MM2 adding the easier "Normal" difficulty, and SMB3, but most of the time there's a difficulty change, the US version is harderCastlevania 3, Ninja Gaiden 3, Bayou Billy, Contra: Hard Corps, Streets of Rage 3, the original US release of Resident Evil, and every other retro Resident Evil are all harder in the US than in Japan
>>12479387There are usually many indicators to tell what version a cart is.
>>>/trash/
>>12479427Japanese hate hard games and were always whining when something was too difficult.
>>12479437Who cares? Fuck off to Reddit
>>12479440>makes shit up about US versions being easier>gets proven wrong>"who cares"I know someone IRL who keeps doing this. He will argue for an hour and the moment he gets proven wrong without any doubt suddenly "nobody cares", even though he was arguing for an hour
>>12479425
>>12479469Holy shit, my drunken shitposting gave fruit. Pretty crooked, though.
>>12479147A lot of games were made harder. Look at Legend of Legaia
>>12479147I did look at it. The original difficulty is still there, they just added an optional easy mode.
>>12479376>Dick-cutting room floor
>>12479156I find your penis quite satisfying!
>>12479064fpbp
>>12479225>>12479213>>12479187Nice uneven pixels faggot.
>>12479156>>Some say the board has become a cautionary tale of holding onto the past./vr/ is a cautionary tale of giving an userbase an increasing amount of control culminating in dedicated tardwrangling mod jumping ship after sharty hack, finalizing its years long transformation from the best /v/ offshoot into the gutter it is now. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
>>12479840It's a PSP. I don't give a shit. Looks better than it did on my tube TV 30 years ago.
>>12479059>>12479064It's incredible to see a shitty thread followed by an even shitter first post
>>12480145 Nah he was spot on
>>12479846Looking back I regret advocating for the rules change over nu/vr.
