>>3470188
What is the difference between the two in this game?

>>3470190
Fighter is sword and board, warrior uses 2-handers

>>3470188
If you use tired memes to start a thread, you didn't actually make a post.

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>>3470190
they play 10x better, warrior specially

>>3470198
>meleefag can't read
makes sense

spearhand is just superior

>>3470188
Not like anyone wants to beat it

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>>3470204
why do I need to read books?
will they help me chop down a saurian's tail?
likewise, will those books protect you from me splitting your skull with my axe, huh magesissy?

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>>3470207
honorary martial vocation
but still too tainted by m*gick

I was hyped for this before it came out but it sounds moderately disappointing so far. I’ll buy it when it’s on sale half off and they remove the Denuvo.

Are there any more hybrid or advanced or hidden classes than we knew at release?

>>3470238
philosophy has been a cornerstone of the warrior ethos for all time and it's foundational to the very game you are talking about. you'd be killed by a smarter warrior, who actually knows what he's fighting for. not that you can read well enough to understand this post.

>>3470260
>The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools

>>3470252
no, everything is exactly as advertised and there are no "secret" vocations

>>3470238
Have you ever had a paper cut? Shit fucking hurts. I'd rather get cut by a sword than paper. Books are full of paper, and that makes them more dangerous than swords could ever hope to be.

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>>3470290
Any they really killed off Mystic Knight?

>>3470388
>Lightning riposte works on living armor
I guess I know my new strategy

>>3470388
yeah, you have mystic spearhand now which is highly more offensive but has a much better survivavilty due to the invincible bubble

What's weird is that the color scheme for vocations isn't complete at all so they probably were aiming for more vocations but cut them out, even still I don't think mystic knight would fit unless they changed mystic spearhand to green/blue.

>>3470441
>can’t play mystic knight in dd1 because my cloak clips through my shield
>can’t play mystic knight in dd2 because they replaced it with muh Darth maul

>>3470443
capes are even worse in dd2, the models don't fit correctly for many different sizes, big and small

>>3470252
The whole thing is three steps forward, but three steps back.

>>3470483
Disagree
As it stands, BBI is about the only big strength DD1 has over DD2

>>3470483
This

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god i wish this game had better optimization to run on my toaster

whats fucked is that I can run better looking games no probo

>>3470689
That’s nice. I disagree with that, too.

>>3470758
Denuvo definitely isn't doing it any favors.

>>3470251
>fly, you fools

>>3470758
specs?

>>3470758
>Dragon's Dogma II is currently the most demanding game ever released.
>Its not even in the top 10 best looking
RE engine was a fucking mistake.

>>3471070
add in some more vibrant colors and its easily the best looking rpg to date on a technical level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKGa55laIk8

Capcom should work on a good denoiser for the path tracing already present (but hidden away)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnYOKXS_wuo

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>>3471070
Feels like graphics are evolving backwards.

>>3471154
The npcs of the those games are nothing alike
Also W3 doesnt have RT

The performance issues have nothing to do with the graphics and this is well established at this point. I get a stable 30fps at 1080p with a 1070, and almost 60 outside of cities. It’s the stupid shit they did with NPCs that probably sounded cool while they were developing the game, but clearly didn’t impact gameplay or the player’s experience very much because no one even noticed what it’s doing.

>>3471070
I've got a 1650Ti and an i5-9300H
8gb RAM
yes, it's a laptop. Shoot me. It played everything in 2018 when i bought it.
total europoor so upgrade is not a prospect without significant planning

I get like 40 in the field but Vernworth brings me to like 12-15. It's unreal

>>3471875
meant for
>>3471068

>>3470260
>who actually knows what he's fighting for
Some retarded ideology or "muh friends" does not make you a better fighter

>>3471915
knowing who to fight and why and what to think about death is important for your own morale, anon. a battle is more than a meeting of techniques.

>>3471875
that's a funny coincidence
I played my 30 hours on my alienware laptop: GTX 1660Ti plus a i7-9750H
1080p, everything on Low, got solid 50 fps on the open world (even while figthing a Minotaur and Griffin at the same time), 60 fps on dungeons and 30-35 fps on Vernworth
ultimately unnistalled because I don't like using my laptop for gaming and been meaning to upgrade my desktop for some months now (should do it after computex when AMD and Intel release their new CPU line)

have you tried setting the CPU affinity to High?
gives a significant fps boost and removed stutter even back in those initial few days before the first patch

>>3471070
It's shit but the Yanderedev-tier NPC code and Denuvo are doing it way more harm than the engine itself.

>>3471154
Cape clipping through the cape triggers me the most

>>3470188
I used Warfarer with Mace+Shield and Fire Hammer... checkmate.

>>3471920
>read 100 philosophy books start to finish
>receive your family sword, passed down through the household for 12 generations, from your father as your mother wishes you safe return
>depart for the battlefield determined to defend the good people of your soil and their heritage
>your opponent has been drinking piss and vinegar from a cup since he was a baby
>he kicks you in the dick and smashes your head with a rock

>>3472756
a fake anecdote isn't an argument, nobody is arguing that you don't have to be tough. but, amusingly enough, this is why you'd break before a fight even begins as you focus on the other person and not your own motivations.

>>3472756
>>3470268
Try very hard to read this again.

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>warrior
>figther
>do worse damage than Thief Chads
lol
get brined

Here's your Mystic Knight bro:
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonsdogma2/mods/768

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>>3470188
this is now a webm thread

>>3470188
for me, it's Beast Tamer vocation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMeI7Jm3BBA

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spell synching would be a thing in tactical rpgs

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noble vs plebian

this is just sad. one dude posting his lonely little webms with no response.

had fun but it's so easy I lost interest before finishing my second run

Can't even play the game without horrific frame drops, no wonder people stopped playing

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>>3484745
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonsdogma2/mods/195

please call me when mods and/or DLC fix the game, it seems like it's as easy as the first game, and it only has one difficulty?

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>>3489456
see >>3485232

>>3470188
Just got the true ending and came looking for a thread, man what a trip

The framerate issues soured the experience for some time but the game grew on me so much it became a GOTY contender even though this year already has so many great RPGs. I wish the game didn't have these performance issues because having your AAA title chug on toasters and modern consoles is honestly a death nail

The game also puts so much emphasis on exploration so I can imagine how people can burn out on it, which is a bummer because I feel like a lot of people are going to miss out on the latter half and end entirely. It's a crying shame I spent half of my post listing issues when I truly loved the game despite them

>>3489871
Wow, that mod looks amazing, I wish there was something similar for the original game.

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>3489880
Performance is the real problem, but people choose to make a fuss about bullshit inconsequencial mtx instead
The game is quite CPU bound, as physics and npc's seem to be tied to a single cell
As such I'm not expecting the game to get any better than this performance-wise, really like Crysis more powerful cpus will unfortunately be the only solution to this

Yeah the game overall is pure fun
I have some gripes, but as it stands I'd say the only thing DD1 has over 2 is BBI
>The game also puts so much emphasis on exploration
Yup
On that regrad it reminded me of Gothic 2 the entire time
The world begs to be explored and you can easily drop 20 hours between each main quest just wandering around and doing side content
It's the one aspect of the game that's just objectively so much superior to DD1, that I can't understand how anyone might argue that Gransys overworld is better designed


>3490013
MTFramework is quite old and a pain to work with
REngine on the other hand is quite straigthfoward to mod, weirdly enough despite no official tools and Capcom's current anti-modding stance

Still if you think difficulty tweaks is impressive, you ain't seen anything yet
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonsdogma2/mods/691

>sad shill thread
Not an RPG.

>>3490183
rpgs would make much sense given its a quasi-medieval setting
but there are explosing arrows...

>>3485232
I don't get it.
At a fundamental level it do nothing to alter the core gameplay loop, just like most mods.

There is a reason why BBI added a lot of enemy variety.

>>3490685
the point of that mod isn't to change the core gameplay loop, but to make it more challenging (if the user so wishes it)
lack of challenge which the anon was lamenting about

>>3490181
can I ask why you removed one meme arrow from the quotes turning them into simply greentexts?

>>3491113
>>3491113
typo
i wrote the entirity of that post on notepad++, then copypasted it on to 4chan
by the time I noticed it, I had already clickled the "Post" button

>>3491426
I see, thank you for the mod recommendations, I am impressed with how many mods there are, I always knew that RE engine was moddable, but I didn't expect this.

>>3490181
[SPOILER] Good [/spoiler]

>>3492680
>I am impressed with how many mods there are
you have no idea
so far the only thing that doesn't seem possible is altering and adding quests and levels
but otherwise pretty much everything seems possible, including entire new vocations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMeI7Jm3BBA
I fully expect this game to have a Requiem style total overhaul in 1 year

>>3470188
Whatever you say rape victim

Capcom is savvy, they know gamers hang out on 4chan and they sent their shill army here saying the game is a "blast'. Alas I fell for it out of sheer boredom and lack of good games to play
The point of Denuvo is to keep people from playing the game so the truth doesn't get out.
It's the AAA corporate strategy of earning ESG bucks while hoodwinking the consumer so they blow $76 dollars but don't even play the game because the game itself is inferior

>>3472798
>muh motivations.
Fuck off boomer. The best warriors are the ones who do it because they have bloodlust.

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>>3492971
seems (you) talk from experience

>>3493924
Shouldn't have said the g-word. Diversity is Gransys's greatest strength.

>>3493018
bloodlust is a motivation, retard. a mad dog is easy to put down though, because their reaction to stimulus is predictable.

>nearly a month old thread
>85 replies
>gaem is like 2 months old
lol
kek even

They fix performance issues yet? Been waiting for them to fix it before picking this up.

>>3494254
The performance ain't gonna get better than what it is
The problem is that physics are all bound to a single cpu cell, hence why framerate tanks to the 30fps in Vernworth
But outside of that city the performance is fine, if you have something like a RX580 and a 1st generation Ryzen cpu, on Low you should get stable 60fps everywhere else on the game world

Hello, when can I expect an expansion pack, gold edition or DLC that adds content to the game? Later this year would be too soon?

>>3496018
I wouldn’t expect it for another year or two. They’re still trying to unfuck the base game it sounds like.
>t. Not buying it until they remove Denuvo and it’s on sale half off

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>>3470188
>If you used any Vocation other than Figther or Warrior, you didn't beat the game.
Then how come I saw the credits?

>>3494251
It's mind blowing how hard they dropped the ball.

>>3496018
>>3496034
it will probably be late this year
MonHun Wilds comes out in Spring next year after all

>>3476444
I thought they took mystic Knight out.

>>3496362
That's DD1

Now that the dust has settled...
What went wrong? Or right?

>>3497742
>no definitive edition
>no -75% off sale
still a lot of dust, bro

>>3497742
>What went wrong?
Doubling down on the open world meme instead of focusing on the game's potential as a dungeon crawler.
Doubling down on the open world meme and then using an engine that isn't built for open worlds and then not optimizing it to handle open worlds.
Not firing Itsuno and not putting Kinoshita in charge of the project.
>or right?
I think giving all of the vocations unique weapons was a good idea (I never played Mystic Knight in DD1). I like the improved physics from RE engine.

>>3497749
And more importantly...
>not cracked

>>3497742
Right
>much much better open world level design
>improved enemy design
>sense of exploration and adventure
>side quests
>overall improved vocations (mage an wizards are the only one to really suffer from downsizing 6 to 4 skills)
>less jank and meatier animations and sound fx

Wrong
>vocation balance is fucked
>no proper hard mode
>no mega dungeon
>all the good loot is found primarly on shops, instead of the world and dungeons
>main quest relies heavily on the player knowing well the lore of the previous game and also doing plenty of side quests to learn about the state of the world (as the main quest barely explains anything about the lore and the characters)

>>3501293
>Bussin there doing the "I kneel" at the end.
NGL that was pretty good anon, lol

>>3470188
you are a retard, if you only played 1-2 vocations, you didn't beat the game. not until you master all vocations can you say you beat the game.

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>>3501769
>he played anything other than figther or warrior
pussy

>>3501769
I ain't playing Mage, nigga.

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it's official dogma bros...
this game is a flop
https://x.com/DragonsDogma/status/1795387174453395631

>accidentally died in the very first goblin fight because I slipped off a slope and got jumped by two other goblins while ragdolling
Okay, this game is pretty cool.

>>3502188
You can max it by playing a warfarer too, I believe.

I took a break from the game over 2 months ago and can't bring myself to go back to it to finish it. I think the next thing I was supposed to do in the main quest was go to the coronation, but I generally just fucked around and explored the map. Went to the volcano camp through the backpassages and such.

>>3506350
I’m waiting for Denuvo to be removed and then I’ll buy it on sale half off

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>>3506350
try another vocation to mix things up

>he's just posting webms by himself again
sad... you hate to see it

Are there any mods that are considered essential? Sort of like Dinput8 was for the first game.

>>3511400
Fluffy's Mod Manager and REFramework
Think of the latter as DD2 version of Skyrim's Script Extender

The modding scene is already quire varied, DD2 might just be the most moddable game Capcom ever released
Which is ironic considering that their recent anti-modding statements and supposedly DD2 comes with an advanced form of Denuvo (called Enigma) which has purposefully implemented not to allow mods lol

>>3497742
>wrong
Rehashed the main storyline from DD1 that went absolutely no where after certain point, all the dialogs have 0 meaning aside from what the dragon says.
Post-game is extremely underwhelming, there's no new content, there are like 2 new boss monsters and you get to fight them back to back, no cool collectable gear to look forward to because the best weapons are purchasable from the shop right away.

>>3511400
basic: Fluffy's Mod Manager, REFramework, Graphics Suite, Low Poly Lantern or Smaller Lantern
gameplay: Wild Loot, Custom Difficulty Tweaks and/or True Difficulty, Random Encounters or Epic Encounters
if you're a lolifag/shotafag or a heightlet that wants to make yourself, Smallman's Height Mod
>>3511564
Enigma isn't a more advanced DRM, it's a shittier one that they stuffed in just to still have something in there when the Denuvo license expires.

>>3511564
>>3511806
Thanks, I'll check'em out.

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>>3514338

I maxed them all out because I am not a H O M O S E X U A L

Tell Capcom to remove Denuvo and put this on sale so I can buy their trash already, I refuse in its current state. You hear me Capcom? I know you’re lurking here motherfucker

>>3517757
Tell Capcom to remove Denuvo so I can pirate it*

>>3517757
Capcom is waaay too out of touch to be lurking a hip and cool website like 4channel.
It's 2024 and the monsters in their games still have the aggression of deer stunned by headlights.

>>3511400
i personally recently added No Stamina Sprint Out Of Combat, which is invaluable and still has stamina behave otherwise normal in that stamina consumption is vanilla as soon as soon as you pull out a weapon.

Also not as essential but massive quality of life is Throw Me Up, which lets you bind the launch ability to a button to have your pawn do it whenever you want- separate from their actual selected ability. Makes no sense that my 7ft pawn knows how to throw me up and suddenly forgets because somehow its the same tier of ability as golf swinging goblins across the map

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>>3518640
Cool

>>3518667
>i personally recently added No Stamina Sprint Out Of Combat
nice cheat dood

>>3520896
thanks, it really saves alot of time over long journeys not having to slow down and walk for literally no discernible reason other than someone forgot the quality of life from the first game except not when youre in towns. yknow out of combat

>>3520969
I refuse to believe cats can live in that place.

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>>3521166
truly, they are the superior race

>>3470388
Mystic Knight invalidated every other vocation

>>3470689
That's literally what anon said anon. You're agreeing with him.

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Kill goblins, behead goblins, dropkick goblins into the brine.

You can now do a free trial of up to 2 hours, seems like a weird way to do a demo, but it is what it is.

>60 day old thread
>150 replies
>most of the posts are one guy image dumping
surely someone is getting paid for this, no one is this pathetic and stupid right

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>>3535902
And what about Trumpus?

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How's the performance now? Did they finally fix it?

>>3535899
That's not a demo that's desperation.

>>3482406
>this is just sad. one dude posting his lonely little webms with no response.
>>3494251
>nearly a month old thread
>85 replies
>>3509111
>he's just posting webms by himself again
>sad... you hate to see it
>>3535902
>60 day old thread
>150 replies
>most of the posts are one guy image dumping
This guy is mad.

>>3535941
I'm still getting 40-50 in Vernworth, 120 in open world. They fixed fuck all.

>>3535941
maximum fps remain the same, but 1% lows have increased by a lot
I used to get as low as 30fps in Vernworth, now it rarely drops bellow 50
the game was clearly rushed for that sweet fiscal year bonus

>>3527971
Warrior feels so fucking good to play during skirmishes.

>>3470188
What if I just used them to get augments?

>>3538600
valid
you trained in the only non-gay vocations to make the others less gay

Not an RPG.

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>>3538841
more rpg than disco

>>3538844
>DE is not an RPG nigger
so that's who you are?
the salty weeb that plays this piece of shiet mixed review flop of a ""gayame""
loled

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>>3538990
>caring about "reviews"
no wonder you think DE is an rpg kek
pretentious faggot

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>more people are playing DE despite it being a very niche sub-genre and 5 years old
I will never be able to recover my sides from this

>>3540010
>caring about popularity
why are you gay?
>more people enjoy commie gay slop over a classic ad&d adventure
shocking

also lol at very niche, who are you trying to fool?
the game was shilled by every pretentious game journo, indie dev and crpg "essayist"
it won multiple awards even in Dorito Pope's goty show
and the firing of the lead writers was one of the most controversial game news when it came out

why would i want to beat (or even play) a game with purposeful design flaws designed to sell microtransactions?

>>3540220
there's no purposeful design flaws midwit and if you paid for those mtx then you're retarded

>>3540194
>muh gommie propaganda
MY FUCKING SIDES IT IS YOU LMFAO

dd2 isn't popular for a reason and the reason is _______shit________gayem_______
and there is nothing ad&d about mindless island-chink button mashing slop mate
>lol at very niche
the sub-genre is niche though
it exploded because it's such a great game, not because the genre was popular

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>>3540543
>isn't popular
seriously, why are you gay?
>there is nothing ad&d
the monster design is straight out of a ad&d manual
the combat gameplay is inspired by Capcom's official DnD games from the 90s
the exploration gameplay are designed to emphasize the feeling of grand adventure
the setting like Mystara and Greyhawk are purposefully generic to function as fantasy sandboxes
and you, as evidenced earlier, are fucking retarded and don't know your talking about
>it exploded because it's such a great game
its a shallow point-and-click adventure game that doesn't demand much from the player, with added bonus of serviceable, but pretentious, writting
its the perfect bait "game" for social media trannies and other faggots such as yourself
cope, seethe and dilate

>>3540973
>generic fantasy gaem has generic fantasy monsters
>some retarded anon: literally adnd!!!
mental gymnastics levels worthy of dd fan
>it's adnd because it's action oriented like these 2 dnd licensed action games capcom made in the 90s
we are reaching mental gymnastics levels that shouldn't even be possible
>doesn't demand much from the player
yeah but so is dd, at least de is good and interesting

>>3542008
That was almost a disaster.

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>>3470188
I abandoned Fighter when I unlocked the Warfarer. Gotta get those fashion points.
Still only used Sword and Shield, tho.

>>3470188
why do trannies always say dumb shit likevthis? my personal theory is that because they themselves are complete failures they think they can bring others dpown to their leve;l if they can trick them into buying their convoluted logic

>>3471283
>W3 doesnt have RT
they added RT in the next gen update. the PS5 version is probably the best looking console game out there

>>3538990
hes right though. glad to see discord faggots are still obsessing over dd2 lmoa

>>3540010
>shitty pc port
lol

>>3470188
How did they manage to make this shit worse than the first one??? I got this bullshit on release and it's worse than the first is every way even in combat. Lmao they even fucked up sorcerer's; the games crown jewel.

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>>3543988
>it's worse than the first is every way even in combat
lol no
aside from mage and sorc, every vocation and enemy plays so much better
>sorcerer's; the games crown jewel
kek
magesissy, figures

>>3544275
Were there truly picnics in medieval times?

>>3544886
white people have been having picnics since prehistory

>>3545182
but how? they didn't have picnic blankets back then...

>>3545856
They had picnic grass on the picnic floor.

>>3540228
>empty world and too much backtracking that you can solve with your wallet
>no purposeful design flaws

>>3548085
>empty world
it's a combat centric game and the world is filled with combat encounters midwit

>too much backtracking
filtered
you don't belong in this board

>>3470188
I run Fighter with my main pawn as a Warrior, it feels good. But I wanna get those augments from the other classes Anon, can you forgive me as long as I return back to the best classes?

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>>3548248
There's nothing to forgive
Martials are pratical Vocations and learning your enemies ways are the best path to knowing them
Go get those Augments anon, but don't lose yourself

>>3550777
Was it really because of the ice block? I think the other pawn behind the player hits the cyclops head just as the the cyclops touches the ice block, looks like it must be an archer pawn that hit it at that moment causing it to stumble.

>>3543907
>the PS5 version
series x

Any easy way to rotate the rift-stone pawn selection? First game had a button to dismiss one and roll for another with the same search conditions.
Trying to find pawns with the "kill Sphinx" pawn quest just to help a couple people while I do her quest.

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>>3540973
Why recreate the DnD book in a strange way when the official artists did one and an anon modified it?

I heard this game is kind of mid

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>>3552447
if you want a combat focused ARPG with a great sense of adventure, then this game is great

>>3552447
It is more than mid it is not worth playing. It needs another 2-3 years of development at least. The best part the exploration is ruined by the shit enemy placement, lack of enemy types, no interesting places to explore, and the difficulty curve being way too easy. I bought a new GPU for this game and bought it at launch and dropped it at 18 hours.

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>>3554705
>It is more than mid it is not worth playing. It needs another 2-3 years of development at least.
the salt this game managed to generated is nothing short of astounding
despite the flaws it's still a solid game, but reading these seething replies make it sound like it the game is even more broken than Alpha Protocol

>>3554705
>It needs another 2-3 years of development at least.
If Itsuno was given 2-3 more years he would squander them making the map 2 to 3 times bigger and filling it with more half-baked content. I say that but that's probably what he's doing RIGHT NOW, assuming a DLC is in the works.

>>3555454
I am actually surprised the game is a stable and polished as it is despite being obviously rushed, the worst thing about it is the performance, but I don't think anyone can say this game is buggy or broken, it just... Works.

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>>3552447
if you've heard that on /v/, then it was probably by one of these "people"

>>3558174
Are these "people" in the room with us right now?

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>>3558183
possibly

>>3470188
i didnt beat the game regardless because its boring

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Someone explain to me what the point of this character was?
>she's featured prominently in the promotional material
>she's on the fucking front cover of theg ame box
>she's empress of half the game world
>you do a grand total of one (1) quest that indirectly involves her
>if you fail the quest she just dies and the story quickly moves on
>if you do keep her alive, she's never relevant again after that so nothing changes
>even her fucking bodyguard is a more important character than her

>>3544886
Before tables were invented, every meal was essentially a picnic.

>>3470268
what's the issue here? cowards are smart and idiots make good soldiers.

>>3562312
Because Dragon's Dogma approach to characters is more systemic.
They don't make a narrative or scenarios like in Starfield where tons of characters are unkillable and just sit down to recover if they get reduced to 0 HP and then stand up.
You can kill pretty much anyone, you can romance pretty much anyone, you can complete quests or solve scenarios in various ways because the game is also systemic.

>>3562319
While that's partially true, it doesn't actually answer the question. Anyone who's played the game could easily name a dozen characters who are more noteworthy than her, despite multiple of those also being killable. Her being killable isn't the point, the point is why did they choose to focus on her so much when she has literally nothing to do in the game? Why put her in all your marketing material, why choose her as the face of your game on the front cover, when she's only relevant for what amounts to half of a single quest? They could've made her a quest giver like Brant except for the Battahl, which would've been a great way to flesh out that area a bit more, or at the very least included her in the actual story in some way. Instead she's sidelined literally minutes after she's introduced. It's like the script just breaks at that point and the game immediately segues into the endgame. The poor way she's handled contibutes in no small part to the way the Battahl half of the game feels so undecooked.

>>3562333
firstly, nice trips. And secondly, you have good points, if she was a more major player and provided quests (that were worth having) she would have a much greater impact. And maybe that was the intention, a lot of aspects feel like they needed more time and fleshing out after-all.

But to answer why she is so heavily involved in promos. My best guess is she is the only "major" beastren character, and so they had to use her to show to people who might not be familiar with the series, that the beast race exists.

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>>3562333
You're asking why she isn't a bigger deal because she's on the cover/poster and the answer to that is simple. It's the same reason Ulrika is there.
>both represent their respective races
>both look appealing from a design perspective (not some ugly old man) and not too slutty (like Wilhelmina might be perceived as)
>they serve as juxtaposition to each other, with one being more of a queen like ruler and the other a commoner adventurer
They worked for marketing purposes.

Could they have chosen Brant and Disa or something? Sure, but would that have worked better for marketing? No.

>>3472756
Obviously, the piss and vinegar drinker actually read 300 philosophy books start to finish, hence his drinking and disregard for his own life and morality that makes him a supreme head-smashing warrior.

You need to walk the path to truly embrace the power of nothingness.

>>3562346
so it's all superficial dressing that serves no purpose other than maximizing profits. symbolic.

>>3552447
It was a major disappointment and put capcom on my shitlist forever, no matter what form their next so-called 'redemption arc' takes. I just wanted a game that was better than the original, even by a little bit. I don't even want a DLC at this point.

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>>3562345
>she is the only "major" beastren character
Her bodyguard is a more significant character than her. Unless of course you're talking lorewise in which case yes, we're told that she's the empress and thus a very important character, but my issue is that nothing in the game actually shows this importance. The way her one quest is handled only highlights how meaningless her presence in the game is. They could've left her out of the game entirely and nothing would have changed.

>>3562346
>It's the same reason Ulrika is there.
Ulrika plays a role in multiple parts of the game and is one of only two special romance NPCs. She's absolutely not the same as Nadinia. In fact she's the perfect example of how the game is perfectly capable of having an "expendable" character who still has her own role to play. The game has dozens of characters who get more content than her (Brant, Ulrika, Disa, Wilhelmina, the two Elf siblings, Sven, Lennart, Sigurd, the Dwarf guy, Phaesus, and that's just off the top of my head). My issue is less about the fact that she's on the cover and more about why they didn't actually use their cover character. If Nadinia is such a pivotal character from a marketing perspective, why not give her something to actually do in the game? If she really is a character that the devs made to appeal to the players, why did they refuse to let the players interact with her in any meaningful way?

>>3562359
There is no character they could've put on the cover that would actually be "important" in the way you imagine because of the systemic nature.

You're looking for characters that wouldn't fit in the more systemic approach they went for.

>>3562366
Repeatedly shouting "systemic" isn't an argument, especially considering how linear and non-systemic the story is. And even if it was purely systemic, that didn't stop them from giving other characters much bigger roles than her.

ulrika is cute and totally had sex with my female arisen

>>3562392
Ulrika is a slut and totally raped my male beastren arisen.

>>3562370
It's a fact. The game as a whole was designed to be systemic. Including the characters. You failing to grasp this is not my problem.
You're clearly completely unfamiliar with design direction. The more they leaned into the standard approach you seem to crave, the less systemic they would have to make it. If they then made everything in the game except the character systemic, that would create a hard clash which would've been genuinelly awful.

You might not have liked what they did, but they would've needed to make a very different game to make what you want.
But this is clearly a topic beyond you and I would have to explain so many other things in regards to game design, game direction, game dev and so on that I frankly don't have the time or patience for, considering how there's zero benefit to me. It's not like you're interested in challening your ideas anyway.

>>3562407
If it's truly impossible to make characters play a role in a """""systemic""""" game, how do you explain every other major character that isn't Nadinia? Why is the the only """""systemic""""" character that gets sidelined like this?

Please think before you post.

>>3562407
>this is clearly a topic beyond you and I would have to explain so many other things in regards to game design, game direction, game dev and so on that I frankly don't have the time or patience for
This is what mindless fanboy delusion looks like.

>>3470188
>thread has been up for 3 months
I thought everyone who bought DD2 already played it and dumped it?

Game and story just suck, story boils down to gay meta shit everyone is doing nowadays
>Pathfinder is basically the DM and he just wants a story with dragon fights over and over again you the player free the cardboard characters and give them their free will not just your pawn
Itsuno is a hack
I could forgive the generic story if he didn't gimp the vocations and outright remove some of them or gave some interesting places to explore that weren't the same copy pasted cave

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>>3562407
>2-digit IQ trying to sound intellectual

>>3562362
>I just wanted a game that was better than the original
the game is better than the original in most regards

>>3562671
the Pathfinder is actually the Seneschal
DD2 story relies on the player being familiar with the worldbuilding of DD1
what the Pathfinder wanted was for the Arisen to break the false cycle the world was trapped in and return to the "normal" cycle (i.e. like the one in DD1)
>if he didn't gimp the vocations
aside from mage and sorc, all the vocations play objectively better (and even those two have some welcome additions)

>>3562719
The fuck is this gay ass meme.

>>3562407
Next bloviation you should try to work in "media literacy" in between systemics.

>>3563068
The pathfinder is not the Seneschal, it's literally the beastren guy who founded vermund.
You didn't even play DD2 and yet you shill for it
All the vocations are gimped and suck

>>3563105
In the Japanese dialogue, Rothais is literally referred to as the Seneschal
Whoever translated the game into English did a piss poor job when it comes to these details

And ultimately it would make no sense for the Pathfinder not to be the Seneschal
He's a higher being, with near omnipotency, that rarely intervenes and seeks to guide the Arisen into becoming the protector of the World
Literally shares the same characteristics and fills the same role as the Seneschal did

>All the vocations are gimped and suck
prove it then

>>3562350
Nah the piss drinker simply doesn't know any better