>>3536283
Balls

>>3536283
Simple anon

Do you like turn based:
Wotr
Divinity OS

Rtwp:
Wotr

Do you like aids:
PoE

>>3536283
none of these. MAYBE D:OS2, but all the games you listed are shit

>>3536283
All of them. You have no life.

>>3536283
I have never bought an owlcat game that I did not enormously regret putting time into.

>>3536307
/thread

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>>3536283
WotR is better than PoE

Haven't played Divinity

>>3536307
WotR is also turnbased and more enjoyable that way especially with boss fights. The only issue is that there are quite a few trash fights which are better to just switch to RTwP for.

>>3536329
Except skip PoE. Baseder has never made a good game.

>>3539243
>Baseder
I'm suprised the jannies still have this word filter up. You shouldn't have to use alt codes just to type söy as part of a word. You certainly shouldn't have to buy a 4chan pass either just to type a single word.

>>3536283
I've only played Kingmaker and it is a fine game. From all the hate here I thought it'd be much worse. Some questionable story and game design decisions, but nothing catastrophic. Only at the start of act 4 so maybe the game spirals into complete shit.
Just pirate one you think looks best.

>>3539245
>You certainly shouldn't have to buy a 4chan pass either just to type a single word
A loosely applied global rule prohibits racism outside of /b/ anon that’s why we can’t say that word

>>3539361
The filters have nothing to do with racism desu. They're just to discourage overused words senpai.

>>3539273
It doesn't spiral into complete shit, but have fun with the final dungeon.

>>3539243
I'd still play PoE for White march

I preferred PFKM, but whichever Owlcat game you play, make sure you get a mod that skips the Owlcat part of the game. It's as bad as any free mobile or Facebook game you've played. Frankly it's still a pain in the ass even with autowin.

>>3539542
owlcat part??

>>3539562
"Kingdom Management"
"Crusade Management"
Don't try it out and think you'll be the one to extract fun from it. You won't. They're literally sub-Zynga. Just install the mod.

>>3539573
does the rogue trader has a shit minigame like that as well?

>>3539574
Yes. I haven't played it, but if I did I wouldn't even care how well it was received, I would get a mod. A hundred hours clicking through shit your average high school /v/irgin could design circles around is enough. They should have just cut to a hentai game, then at least you could jerk off and feel like you accomplished something.

>>3539577
>Inb4 just turn on "auto x mode"
It's a joke. In both WotR and KM, even the tool tips tell you that you'll miss out on events if you do. You actually have to install a mod for auto mode to not suck.

does creamapi work with wotr and rogue trader?

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>>3536283
I would genuinely rather be skinned alive than play another owlcat game. Those games are offensively bad and you won't grow at all from playing them. In fact it will probably stunt your development insofar as understanding the genre and developing taste, if owlcats fans are anything to go by.

>>3539688
>I would genuinely rather be skinned alive than play another owlcat game
This can be arranged.

I did not like WoTR at all. I think it's the campaign. Something about it. I've tried like 8 different times. In contrast, I've played through Kingmaker 4 times and did the roguelike at least 60 times. Really enjoyed it.

I did not like DOS either. Maybe 2 is better but the first completely turned me off of the game.

I prefer PoE2 to 1 by a mile, but 1 has the true old school charm. It is closer to BG1 than the others.

Turn based is a mistake for the genre.

Also, try Tyranny.

>>3539726
>Maybe 2 is better but the first completely turned me off of the game
It is a lot better but it's still not a good game.
>Also, try Tyranny.
This is a terrible game.

>>3539728
It's a terrible game if you're a retarded troon.

>>3539743
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>3536283
PoE is the best gaming experience overall
DOS if you prefer TB combat
WoTR if you prefer bestiality aids quirky chars and romancing

>>3539688
>picrel
good boomer taste

>>3540327
You haven’t seen his 10x10 then, he has Duck Tales and shit

>>3536283
Play Icewind Dale 1 and 2. A good fan made enhanced edition of 2 just came out. Also play Temple of Elemental Evil (using the temple plus mod) and then play the first two Baldurs Gates, which are the only good ones. Just dont play the beam dog shit. Get the originals

>>3540370
https://youtu.be/KF32DRg9opA?si=mOPU-6ADLpf0A2Mf
Zoomer post

>>3540378
>mobile abbreviated url YouTube link with the tracking info still embedded
I’m probably older than you, anon. Not clicking that shit, either.

>>3540370
Duck Tales fucking rocks.

>>3539245
>WotR is better than PoE
onions

>>3539245
Wait why is this a thing? Just tried typing it and it didn't work. I can say nigger, but not that word?

>>3540403
Nigger is just a word, filters are there for to annoy macro posters.

>>3540405
Just seems crazy you can say a much worse word.

>>3540441
There are no "worse" words, just words.

>>3539542
>mod
pretty sure you can automate it through settings

>>3540441
It's crazy it's legal to murder babies for your convenience while you replace your entire population with foreigners but here we are.

>>3540489
I don't live in europe.

>>3540489
I'm sure having those extra mongrels on welfare would save civilization kek

>>3539239
Lets be clear, if you used turn based mode, in either of the owlcat pathfinder games, you did not, by any stretch of the imagination, beat the game.

>>3539245
avoiding wordfilters is a bannable offense anon

>>3541035
Let's actually be clear, if you didn't use a pure class for every single character, you did not beat the game.

>>3541035
>noooooooo you can’t just use tactical positioning, move actions, five foot steps, and carefully consider where your spells go, you have to just throw an auto attack blob at the enemy

>>3541050
Unironically this

>>3541053
>tactical positioning, move actions, five foot steps, and carefully consider where your spells go
Literally what is the point of doing any of this? The combat design and spell implementation incentivizes none of this, all you're doing is making a boring bad game last even longer.

>>3539726
Yeah I disliked wrath too after enjoying kingmaker. It just had a less appealing setting and even worse companions. Also disliked the ungodly ability bloat through fast leveling and extra mythic abilities

>>3541370
>Literally what is the point of doing any of this?
Having fun, retard. I guess you forgot why people play games.

>>3541370
Except the combat does when you play turn based. You're benefitting from how teamwork feats interact with everything happening at once and full attacks going off without a dedicated full round action.

>>3541567
>Except the combat does when you play turn based
No it doesn't. Turn based mode is broken because it's missing a whole bunch of mechanics and the encounters are designed for braindead stat bricks bashing into each other. It's basically a cheat mode. I lol'd pretty hard when deadfire did the same thing and had the balls to call it the handicap accessible mode.

>>3541582
RTwP is ALSO missing a bunch of mechanics, that's literally not a fucking argument. Martials who aren't archers fall straight off a cliff in TB. You can't pull off teamwork feat AoO gangbangs with anything close to the ease you can in RTwP and you're literally too stupid to understand why.

>>3541582
Pathfinder is a turn based system that was adapted to RTWP, and so returning to turn based is entirely consistent with the design of the ruleset. PoE is a RTWP system that was never designed for turn based and was poorly adapted to be so.

>>3539574
Yes it does, but its the best one they did, its ship combat that is a simplified version of battlefleet. Its mandatory, but it has its own difficulty sliders, so if you hate it or dont want to bother, just make it piss easy.

>>3541593
>You can't pull off teamwork feat AoO gangbangs with anything close to the ease you can in RTwP
>click all martials into threaten range
>click mainhand attack on critfisher
>????
>profit
Just as braindead as in RTWP, you just have to wait slightly longer to do it.

>>3541648
That's way more effort and depends on you having a guaranteed crit attack, as opposed to the crit fisher getting to full attack while moving with the blob that also gets to full attack. They are not the same at all and you're operating at much much lower efficiency.

I'm grateful for the PF games showing exactly how stupid AoO are. It's such a spastic, unnatural combat mechanic.

>>3541678
It's not though.

>>3541685
Sure, in your brain that's true, but in reality it really is.

>>3541686
Do you think you're able to just close on someone with a polearm with no issue?

>>3536283
i'm stuck on getting Divinity 2, WOTR and rogue trader


I was gonna skip divinity 2 till someone told me I could bless stuff like fire and I kinda love that but I like a good story too and everyone says its shit.

>>3541689
>a polearm

>>3541711
I don't know why you'd listen to anything from anyone here on story. Sure, DOS2 can be a little hokey (aka Reddit) but the some of the character writing and setups have their moments, and the voice acting is solid overall.

Most people here are nearly illiterate other than enough to get them through a Marvel movie or trade memes about capitalism, lolis, and HRT on /lgbt/ or /a/ anyway, and those kinds of things are what truly influence their high bar for a literary work.
You should experience things for yourself instead of letting slobbering cretins here do any amount of thinking for you.

These are RPGs anyway, half the fun is, or should be, making up your own story within the story.

>>3536283
Pathfinder is much better than either of those two.
Divinity is okay and worth playing too. PoE is pretty shit.

Just be prepared to read and think about your build/comp, the pathfinder games even on easier difficulties will fuck you raw if you don't strategize.

>>3539542
I liked both gimmicks. Don't force your autism on other people. Both of them were a good break from adventuring from time to time and neither were difficult or stressful.

>>3539726
Divinity is just really generic and has a really off-putting tone.

Also I'm the opposite. Tried to finish Kingmaker a bunch but never did. Mostly because the game literally breaks my save every single time on the First World.

PoE is just plain boring. Both of them are.

Turn based is fine.

>>3541711
Divinity 2's story is generic and campy. I have no idea what that other retard is talking about making up your own story, but that is some seriously retarded shit. A story is either good or it isn't. You sound like one of those mental handicaps that claims Skyrim is good for roleplaying since you can just make it all up in your head.

WotR is fine. The stories are nothing special, but some of the characters are pretty good (Regill, Daeran, Wenduag) and it has the strongest gameplay by far.
Can't comment on Rogue Trader, I haven't played it yet.

>>3541711
if you're gonna play divinity just play baldur's gate 3
it's the same thing with better gameplay, visuals, story, etc

>>3541831
>better gameplay
Fuck no.

>>3541835
it is literally the same engine with a million systems added and the only thing removed was the elemental shit
there is quite literally no objective way in which the gameplay could be considered worse, i'm sure you're not hating on it because it's popular, no, couldn't be that

>>3541836
It's the same engine with a completely different mechanical skeleton underneath. 5E is shit and Larian didn't do enough to fix it.

>>3541837
oh you're just a tg grognard
same mental illness, different name
we're all sure the game would be so much different with thac0 and skill points, yes, totally

>>3541840
>I'm too retarded to notice how mechanics impact gameplay
I'm sorry about your mental disability.

>>3541829
I had almost decided the deepwater autists on this board such as yourself can't appreciate character writing at all because the autism makes you a bit of a robot. I don't care for wokeshit either but apparently if the game isn't about the Third Reich with Wagner playing in the background the story seems to be bad every time is the trend with many of you. You mentioned some characters below and redeemed yourself slightly but IDK, the hyperbole and clutching at the word retard all the time says a lot more about you than it does me.

>Wenduag is good, Sebille is baaaad
I guess...DOS2 is a little one dimensional sure but again the hyperbole is obnoxious.
>The story is either good or it isn't.
Why does Lovecraft endure even though all his prose is purple then?
What is your actual standard for video game writing anyway? Yes Skyrim is good for roleplaying because there are cultures and detailed lorebuilding in the world that pretty much just stays in the background besides the main quest, allowing you to do what you want. We're still talking about video game writing here.

>WOTR
>Strongest gameplay
What the actual fuck am I reading, I like WOTR, it's a big RPG with ambitious scope, a lot of build options, and a seriously multifacted power fantasy (back to your writing comments :P) but once you learn how BAB and spell DC work that's 80 percent of it and the rest of mechanics are just stack buffs feats and win. Rarely is there any tactical tradeoff like you find in BG3 or DOS2.

>>3541822
I liked the KM governance and Wrath crusade mechanics too. I feel like people without the ability to appreciate a good lore built world also are not capable of appreciating a narrative counterpoint. That's what they are, also in terms of game mechanics. Ludonarrative if I am forced to use a shitty hipster word. They're still pretty easy though.

>>3541711
In divinity there are people who can use magic called source. These people are legit called sourcerors. If that sits well with you, you can play Divinity

>>3541678
just pick outflank bro

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>>3541678
It's really good in everything that isn't an owlcat game. Owlcat is just a terrible developer and the only reason its discussed here at all is because of schizos from /vg/. Like we already had a sales thread going and the faggot had to make a new thread on top of it with wotr in the title because no one was buying or discussing owlcat games. Its a serious problem and we need to have a sit down over this at some point, because its getting really obnoxious and clearly this company's death is going to be hard on some people.

>>3541889
well its not that Owlcat are particularly amazing developers, its more that in current year the amount of studios actually creating BIG baldurs gate style crpgs is low. Its pretty much Larian and Owlcat. Bioware / Obsidian have long since succumbed to their own mediocrity.

>>3541889
>some anime avatar fag trying to gatekeep again
lol I'll post about what I want
>>3541892
> Its pretty much Larian and Owlcat. Bioware / Obsidian have long since succumbed to their own mediocrity.
Correct. DA: Deadname is not going to move this needle either.
Rather than give EA money to keep poisoning the industry with woke AAA overproduced slop with ultra casual tier play value I'd rather play some of the up and comer smaller company like Last Epoch is doing some nice patches, No Rest for the Wicked looks promising.
Then there are the Trials/Vision of Mana guys.

>But Larian and Owlcat are woke too!
Correct, and if I have to put up with this shit in every game, I might as well play the ones delivering some gameplay too, that's not EA. There are differences in how hard they're pushing woke also and EA has been the maximum woke, worst gameplay for some time now.

>>3541892
>BIG baldurs gate style crpgs is low
Owlcat makes low budget games with mountains of garbage to appear bigger and more competent than they really are, but in reality their games are less ambitious and worse than the average $10 indie game. It's the quantity over quality bethesda method. I would argue PoE has a superior rtwp system and is deeper mechanically, but that's sort of like winning the special olympics anyways. Rogue Trader really showcased how awful their encounter design is because they can't use rtwp as a crutch. I cannot imagine this company's future will be very bright.

>the retard is mad about video games again

>>3541892
>BIG baldurs gate style crpgs
That's what pillars of eternity is. The debuff routing in poe is similar to bg2 scs, whereas owlcats buff stacking is something else entirely. Never understood this comparison.

>>3541906
It's retarded slav cope and they'll do endless mental gymnastics to pretend the game made by IWD devs is less close to IE games than some abortion made for people who jerk off over theoretical level 40 NWN builds.

>>3541906
POE is shallow and underbaked.
I'll give them a little credit for:
customizable AI, which none of the BGtard grogs ever even bring up because their calcified boomer brains are still unevolved past 1995 and I'm not sure they learned how to work it in the first place.

However: The temp buff shit is ok, firearms are ok, some of the class ideas are not obnoxious (Cipher is the dumbest most unaesthetic concept). The races are awful, the muscle wizard ideas are unaesthetic and had a net gain of zero regarding balance, boats were not finished, the autism robot dry storyline is awful. The woke cuck shit is maximized. People want to talk about corny DOS2 plots when there is a blue furry whose head randomly explodes in POE2. Please.

Feel free to shut up about that unremarkable pair of games and move on with your life at any time.

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>>3541910
>POE is shallow and underbaked.
How can you say this when Owlcat games are just autotrip and outflank?
>but the builds!!!!!
In bg2 the only thing you had control over was proficiency and HLAs.

In pillars you need to use potions/food, keep the correct buffs up, target your opponents weaknesses, use those weaknesses to create other weaknesses, manage your resources, synergize between characters, actively remove debuffs from your team, and CC adds, as well as pay attention to map geometry and position yourself correct. In Owlcat games you just stack the same buffs every fight and win. And look, you're already squirming and trying to segue into your subjective opinions over the writing rather than mechanics. If this is all you got then you already lost.

>>3541910
>vatnigger gets called out
>immediately tries to use /pol/ screeching as a cudgel

>>3541916
I don't even know what poltard terms like vatnigger even mean but you seem to be the expert on them.

>>3541931
Dude I'm looking at your post and you are immediately crying about "woke cuck shit" like an instictual defense mechanism. Just kill yourself owlcattle. I am certain you have never made a single good post here.

>>3541914
>In pillars you need to use potions/food, keep the correct buffs up, target your opponents weaknesses, use those weaknesses to create other weaknesses, manage your resources, synergize between characters, actively remove debuffs from your team, and CC adds, as well as pay attention to map geometry and position yourself correct. In Owlcat games you just stack the same buffs every fight and win. And look, you're already squirming and trying to segue into your subjective opinions over the writing rather than mechanics. If this is all you got then you already lost.
>a bloo bloo my 2 dimensional game with boring maps has better potion tactics
WTF potions...my dude... lol
I did none of that shit in POE because I didn't have to, I nearly soloed everything with a riposte built paladin of woedica. It has very little tactical depth. Like most RTWP if we're being honest.
>uhhh writing doesn't count in rpg only my Pure and Arbitrary 2D Tactical assessment
Yeah this is /vrpg/ not a chess board.
There are a lot of outside battle decisions you make in Owlcat games also, even if I totally discount the alternate modes like kingdom management and crusades, which sawboy half assedly tried to do with boats and failed.
POE is pretty linear by comparison, because it is just not as robust of a game, period.

You can take a CC approach in Owlcat if you want, you can remove debuffs, you can turn up the difficulty, you can manage resources, you can create weaknesses, you can use map geometry. POE is not really doing anything new in any of those regards it is just trying to le balance them in some shorter 30 second buff format that is frankly pretty boring. I found the POE maps tiny on top of that. They certainly have a lot less traps, secrets to find etc.
Most Owlcat complaints are a failure of player imagination to engage with all the mechanics, not the game itself.

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>>3541936
Aren't you that retarded schizo that plays everything as a solo paladin with cheat engine enabled and got caught crying about BG3 while being 8 levels over the cap and playing with one character? Go back to your skinner boxes lmao

>>3541936
>I did none of that shit in POE
You did "none of that shit" because you didn't play PotD which is the difficulty the game is balanced for.

>>3541936
>You can take a CC approach in Owlcat if you want, you can remove debuffs, you can turn up the difficulty, you can manage resources, you can create weaknesses, you can use map geometry.
Huh? No, you really, really can't.
>I found the POE maps tiny on top of that.
They are objectively much larger and dense than owlcat maps. Like a single dungeon floor in PoE is the size of an entire owlcat dungeon.

>>3541938
>game only counts at full masochism
Yeah, no. Just because you like to run a staple gun through your nipples doesn't make it a good game.

>>3541937
It's definitely him, it's the same old routine.

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>>3541940
>full masochism
Your complaint was that the game was so easy you could beat it as a solo character but you didn't play on the highest difficulty. PotD in Pillars is the true normal difficulty. It doesn't have a hard mode. PotD is the difficulty in which you must understand all the games mechanics, full stop. Don't post on this board any more. This is embarassing.

>>3541939
>Huh duh I don't actually know how PF works because I stopped at a trip build and called it a day.
Of course you can remove debuffs, bless counters spores for example, remove disease remove curse, dispel, the fuck are you even on about?
>Manage resources
What do you think spell slots and rod charge counts and kineticist burn and etc. etc. etc. x100 even are?
>Create weaknesses
Well did you want the ability of rogue named WEAKENING wound, debilitating strike? Hex vulnerability? Or maybe one of the many other synonyms for weakness.

It's like both of you vapid niggers didn't even play either game whereas I played both.

>I found the POE maps tiny on top of that.
>They are objectively much larger and dense than owlcat maps. Like a single dungeon floor in PoE is the size of an entire owlcat dungeon.

lol, utter bullshit

>>3541943
>lacks tactical depth means IT IS TOO EASY
Maybe try reading comprehension, that isn't what I said. It is lacking depth in your comprehension to assume every argument about video games can be reduced to a pissing match on how hard they are. That's like short man syndrome talk, and another obnoxious and repetitive facet of the type of non-roleplayers that don't need to be on this board. Go play Tetris or speed run Mario instead to prove your superiority over middle schoolers.

If I gave a fuck enough to be engaged on such a crap game, I could beat it in any difficulty. I am not because it just isn't that great of a CRPG. It's not engaging because it lacks, story, personality, depth, mechanics, detailed maps, campaign length, secrets, and finished boats.

>>3541948
>Of course you can remove debuffs, bless counters spores for example, remove disease remove curse, dispel, the fuck are you even on about?
You don't do any of that. You cast haste and mow everything down in 2 seconds. This is literally how I beat both Kingmaker and WotR on UNFAIR.

>>3541943
And another thing, sawboy's game allows for zero creativity.
Show me how you can build a battering blast mage that also specializes bull rush, or a water kineticist or a tandem executioner that can add knockback to arrows.
Show me how you can combo that with a pit mage behind that to create your own map based tactics.
You can't really do that much at all creatively speaking because that would upset the le balanceman.
>muh opportunity attack and trip
Like I said before, those that complain about Owlcat games like this lack imagination.
Those that lack imagination are not as good with tactics as those that have imagination.
Those that are not good with tactics are bad at judging tactical depth.

>>3541953
>why didn't you just go for the minmax build like me and BEAT DA GAME
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You need to go to /v/ and talk about Cawadooty K:D ratios not dirty up RPG boards.

>>3541960
That's not creativity.

>>3541967
You don't need to minmax. You just need to buff correctly and equip the correct gear and basic easily obtainable feats nearly all builds use. You sound like a retard.

>>3541971
I had more creative dialogue when I talked your mom into bed than you seem to be able to come up with though. Maybe demonstrate competence?

>>3541960
Holy moly owlcat fags are dumb.

>>3541974
POE retards sound like nothing at all, because they can't even find two of them to clap together.
Because the game isn't engaging and never has any threads.

Because no one is playing their boring games.

QED
Thanks for playing and bumping the Wrath thread some more gents. It's been fun rizzing you bitches, but I'm actually going back to play Wrath right now. Maybe you can slide over to the Rogue Trader thread and get some parasocial attention there?

Which edition of Wrath of the Righteous do I get? Enhanced? Mythic? Does Mythic give you the new DLC or is that separate?

>>3541978
>Because the game isn't engaging and never has any threads.
It has actual threads and not retarded shill threads, like this one you made because you were upset no one was buying WotR in the actual sales thread. No one comes to Owlcat games willingly, its like a cult for tricking idiots into buying the game so you can post cookie cutter builds for them.

>>3541960
>And another thing, sawboy's game allows for zero creativity
You can do all crazy kinds of things in deadfire due to multiclassing, because unlike pf1e classes are functionally unique. It also has far more unique items which change how builds work. Pf1e classing was so bland pf2e trashed it entirely, compare a pf1e magus to a pf2e magus, in the former you aren't even using offensive spells after a certain point.

>>3541993
>It has actual threads and not retarded shill threads
Not him, and don't care, and you're gay, and whatever RTwP sucks, but PoE threads are usually built on baiting.

>>3541996
PF2E magus gets shit on by fighters and you never stop casting with a PF1E magus.

>>3542024
If you play wotr as a magus you are a martial that can provide arcane buffs and that's it. In pf2e you'll be teleporting around smacking peoples rib cages open with a hammer then shoving a fireball into their chest cavity, way cooler. All classes in pf2e are competitive. There are no bad classes and power curve differentials are minimal.

>>3542025
You were already doing that with Bladed Dash spell combat and quickened spells. Your problem is with an intentionally unbalanced system like mythic. Inventor, Witch, and Alchemist are all terrible in PF2E.

>>3542031
>You were already doing that with Bladed Dash spell combat and quickened spells
No, metamagic is nothing like spellstrike. That's completely retarded. If you want to concede that wotr is a bad game we're already half way there.

>>3542031
>Inventor, Witch, and Alchemist are all terrible in PF2E.
Inventor is like a top 3 damage dealer. Also a pretty neat and unique class.

>>3542039
Inventor isn't even close to top 3 damage you lunatic AND it's burdened by some of its paths being total shit.

>>3542046
Wrong

>>3539688
Dimes grid. Will have to check out that D&D RPG

I will not play POE because its VA'd by those critical role faggots. Simple as.

>>3542302
Also the sailing mechanic looks like ass

>>3541875
>game isn't about the Third Reich with Wagner playing in the background
sauce for a game like this?

>>3539239
>WotR is also turnbased and more enjoyable that way
As a believer in cavalry charges, I disagree. I like the mayhem. Real time combat with ability to pause to give orders is best.

>>3539542
If you want to mod it, just use the Toybox to set kingdom events to auto-succeed. IMHO that is all you need if you don't want the kingdom aprt to be a challenge/hassle.

>>3540322
I wish PoE had the WotR classes, system and combat. With mounts.

>>3541678
Just have fun outflank

>>3542025
>In pf2e you'll be teleporting around smacking peoples rib cages open with a hammer then shoving a fireball into their chest cavity,
So just like pf1e Magus? because 1e also has bladed dash and fireball. hell it even allows you to cast chain lightning and other offensive spells too. I don't why anon is pretending pf2e is all that great when it's just 4e with some 3.5 and 5e sprinkled here and there

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>>3542459
This is even stupider than your first try.
>when it's just 4e with some 3.5 and 5e sprinkled here and there
That's literally what pf1e is, a sister alternative to the terrible 4e. But pf2e is not that, it is competing with a popular and successful ruleset. The most popular and successful ruleset of all time actually. Where pf2e magus differs is that it revolves around spellstrike and arcane cascade, so it's built around dancing around the field setting up enormous damage. You load your spell into spell strike, like a 1 - 2 combination punch. PF2e has a 3 action system, so classes that have lengthy set ups like magus become tactically interesting, because the last thing you want to do is waste an action point, whereas in pf1e a magus was either an overpowered caster or an overpowered martial, because the system was very shallow and broken, and you didn't have to think at all.

>>3542474
I don't think you understand how the Magus played at all.

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>>3542474
>This is even stupider than your first try.
This is my first post you mahiro tranny. why do you think ever poster is the same you schizo
>The most popular and successful ruleset of all time actually
Lol, Lmao even. where did you even come up with such outlandish takes anyway. do you think no one here browses /tg/ or have played a solo or a group TT game? PF2e is barely popular than Dndogshit 5e and warhammer.
>Where pf2e magus differs is that it revolves around spellstrike
>so it's built around dancing around the field setting up enormous damage
So just like pf1e Magus where you have to maximize your shocking grasp, frigid touch or vampiric touch
>whereas in pf1e a magus was either an overpowered caster or an overpowered martial,
so we want from
>Magus is so cool in 2e. 1e Magus is weak sauce amd is just a buff slut just like Wizard and Cleric for martials like every other caster class lol
to
>Magus is a overpowered class in 1e and is broken compared to 2e one. i much rather prefer 2e one even tho it does basically the same thing but slightly worse

>>3542122
Inventor doesn't come anywhere close to Fighter, Ranger, Barbarian, Rogue, or the archer Magus in damage.

>>3542481
>PF2e is barely popular than Dndogshit 5e and warhammer
He's saying 5e is the most popular ruleset. It's quite strange that you brought up warhammer, as that is not tabletop rpg, but instead a beer and pretzel wargame. You seem very upset and offended.

>>3542485
>Warhammer fantasy RPG and Warhammer RT aren't TT RPG.
Now i've heard everything

>>3542474
PF1E is literally Not-3.5 with the tiniest amount of inspiration from 4E in that it would occasionally rip off a 4E ability in 3E's clunky natural language. It was otherwise nothing like 4E. PF2E takes about half of its inspiration from 4E, which isn't surprising when Paizo hired the guy who was a lead designer on 4E at one point to be a designer and then a lead designer for PF2E.

>>3542481
>This is my first post you mahiro tranny
I highly doubt that.
>why do you think ever poster is the same you schizo
Because it very clearly is.
>Lol, Lmao even. where did you even come up with such outlandish takes anyway. do you think no one here browses /tg/ or have played a solo or a group TT game? PF2e is barely popular than Dndogshit 5e and warhammer.
I don't think you read my post.
>So just like pf1e Magus
No, spellstrike in pf1e is not an action sink/tactical nuke like pf2e. A magus is just a caster that uses touch spells.

Seems you have severe brain damage.

>>3542489
Rogue Trader is a dead spin off ruleset from 15 years ago. Do you seriously not know what warhammer is?

>>3542492
>A magus is just a caster that uses touch spells.
So just like PF2E's Magus? Spellstrike only works on spells with attack rolls. Same shit.

>>3542493
Do you think RPGs go away when they stop being published or something?

>>3542493
And? does that mean Warhammer TTRPG and Rogue Trader TTRPG are not RPG now because it was originally a wargame

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>>3542491
>PF1E is literally Not-3.5 with the tiniest amount of inspiration from 4E in that it would occasionally rip off a 4E ability in 3E's clunky natural language
I grew up with 3.5e. PF1e is not 3.5e, and PF1e fans really dislike 3.5e. If what you said was true then people would have logically just kept playing 3.5e. And they did. Those people are called grognards. I should know, I was one! Casuals who weren't grogs went to pfe1. PF2e is it's own unique thing, and addresses the many issues of 4e while tackling the standards set by 5e. PF2e is only similar to 4e insofar as it's focus on tactical combat which addresses the power disparity between martials and casters, but it does not have a huge list of shitty MMO cooldowns for each class to roll through, which makes combat long, repetitive, and boring, whereas pf2e combat is fast, tactical, and deadly.

>>3542495
>Same shit
No.

>>3542507
>PF2e is only similar to 4e
In class design
In monster design
In math scaling and assumptions for both PCs AND monsters
In how it treats magic items

>>3542512
>In class design
I just explained to you how this was not the case. If you are just going to poop your diaper and repeatedly throw fistfuls of spaghetti at the wall in hopes that something sticks, why should I even waste time replying to you?

>>3542515
Class feats are a direct analogue to picking powers.

>>3542516
Read
>>3542515

>>3542495
Not really. there is no touch ac in pf2e. but you are correct. there is no difference between 1e and 2e Magus. If you don't believe me than you can ask /pgg/ about it

>>3542507
PF2E's combat isn't faster than 4E's. They have the same average length of an encounter in rounds, similar time to execute a turn if you aren't incompetent, and similar levels of damage with regard to HP.

>>3542521
It was just explained to you why this is objectively wrong.
Read
>>3542518

>>3536283
God owlcat games are so shit. I have never met a single owlcat fan that wasn't completely retarded. You just know it's the same complete fucking idiot bumping the nwn thread.

>>3542520
I am looking at /pgg/ right now and there's literally someone crying about how he got bullied on the paizo forums after complaining pf2e casters are different, so maybe bad timing on your part.

>>3542518
You never did what you think you did. 90% of your class is not built into the base class, it's options off of a list. That's true in 4E and PF2.

>>3542523
You didn't. You think you did, but you didn't, because you literally don't understand how 4E played at anything approaching a half-decent level.

>>3542525
>he got bullied on the paizo forums after complaining pf2e casters are different,
He is not wrong. Casters are fucked compared to every martial out there. Hell even Alchemist was not spared.

>>3542526
Retardbro, thats been the case since 3e and its changes to multi. Now changes are built into classes and general feats so we have controlled advancement rather than uncontrolled dipping retardation.

>>3542528
No, casters are just more tactical as was previously stated in this thread, and if you view the post on the paizo forum you'll find that all the people there actually playing the ruleset are in agreement.

>>3542524
Owlcat is a dunning kruger magnet.

>>3542528
There are no bad classes in pf2e.

>>3542534
Wrong.

>>3542534
Wizard, Ranger and Alchemist.

>>3542529
No it hasn't. The closest you got to that kind of design were the invokers and martial adepts in 3E, one of which was a beta for 4E.

>>3542535
If a class is not directly powerful then it is a support class. The strongest classes in the game are support classes because pf2e places a high emphasis on party synergy. The game is designed from the ground up for every class to more or less be on the same level instead of the shitty power gaps in pf1e which lead to every character multi'ing into generic grey feat blobs retards pretend are special.

>>3542538
>The strongest classes in the game are
Fighter and Bard.

>>3542536
>Wizard
Wizard is just "Average - the class", which is what it always should have been. The class that can do everything should not also be the strongest. Its insane to say that class is underpowered, when it has an answer to every situation.

>>3542538
>The game is designed from the ground up for every class to more or less be on the same level
If that was the intent they failed at it very very badly.

>>3542544
The do-everything class is the Bard, not the Wizard.

>>3542538
>The game is designed from the ground up for every class to more or less be on the same level
lol. remember that a fighter with a wizard dedication is a better than a standard wizard. You can even cast high lvl spell as rituals if you have the components.

>>3542536
A substitution wizard is definitely within the upper power curves, it might arguably even be the best class.

>>3542541
>before faggy leftists took over D&D gay bard was one of the worst classes
>now it's mechanically one of the strongest across PF and D&D
>last D&D movie made the white guy a gay bard because he sure can't be the barbarian or paladin anymore in current year
Makes me laugh honestly

>>3542547
This. A 3 Fighter 1 Bard party is innately better than most compositions after their synergy and the gap widens if they're trying to synergize.

>>3542549
Bards were never even close to the worst class in any edition of the game. Ever. They were disgustingly overpowered when introduced but improbable to get to, better Wizards than Wizards in the low and mid levels in 2E, the exact balance point you want in 3E and PF1, and a comfortable 2nd place among leaders in 4E. 5E's Bard is inexplicable and they're only so strong in PF2E because all the other casters but Cleric are crippled.

>>3542547
>lol. remember that a fighter with a wizard dedication is a better than a standard wizard
No it isn't, anything with a base class in a caster is going to have more spellslots and caster oriented saves than a martial taking a caster dedication. The math literally doesn't add up there.

>>3542525
So wait, this is just some pf1e idiot crying because he got completely shit on when he tried his 4chan schizo rants on an actual forum for the games?

>>3542525
lmao

>>3542556
>3.X spellcaster wankers
>Not crying whenever they're not literal gods and that martials don't grovel beneath their feet
How is this news?

>>3542554
Funny because the math doesn't add up for the Wizard either. You know saves scale faster than their DCs, right? Which means it's not the spells that benefit from better save DCs you want to use, idiot

>>3542507
>PF2e is only similar to 4e
Wanna see what Logan Bonner had to say?
>In general, there's a lot of crossing over of ideas from 4E, but very carefully. Stephen and I both worked on 4E a *lot*, and each had our loves and hates of that system. We had tools for solving some of the same 3.5 problems, and could pick or choose which ones worked well. The main stuff we wanted to pull over were the big successes, like monster creation and more movement.
Shut the fuck up, moeblob. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

>>3542563
>Shut the fuck up, moeblob. You literally don't know what you're talking about.
Why did you post the creators agreeing with him then? Holy hell, he really dragged out the idiots today.

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>>3542563
>Wanna see what Logan Bonner had to say?
So basically what I said?

>>3542569
No, because you flatly denied monster design as inspiration from 4E.

>>3542573
I literally said the game was more focused on tactical combat. And 4e monster design was very bad when it first came out, pretty much crippled until MM3. So yes, they are learning from their enormous 4e mistakes.

>>3542582
>but but but but but
No. You were contradicted by a designer of the game. Eat shit.

>>3542594
You are desperate. 4e is shit. PF1e is shit. I am glad that era is over and things are better now.

>>3542600
If 4E was shit PF2 wouldn't have taken half of what it did from it.

>>3542602
Well as an enormous 4e fan I'm sure you love PF2e then.

>>3542603
It's 4E with worse balance, if everything you did was more boring, and if you tainted the game with vancian magic instead of AEDU.

>>3542607
So you're just trolling, got it.

>>3541822
>>3541875
Well the good news is even with autowin they'll still have to read the shit, they just won't have to pay the mechanics more attention than they deserve (none).

The only proper crpg I've played was bg3 and it was a while ago. I got bored at the beggining of act 3 and never returned.

I'm willing to give pathfinder wotr a go, are there any must-have dlcs? I've already purchased another game on this sale and I'd prefer to just buy the base game, but I might get one of the season passes.

>>3544262
dlcs are entirely ignorable, there's shitloads of content in the base game.

>>3544263
nice, I'll go with the base game, thanks anon

>>3542549
You've never played D&D 2e nor 3.Xe in your life if you think bards were ever weak, the skald kit in 2e in particular was disgustingly good.

>>3544262
If you couldn't get through BG3 you are definitely not getting through a bloated snoozefest like WOTR.

>>3544288
yeah, seriously if you can't even finish the most streamlined and noob friendly CRPG ever made, it is not the genre for you

>>3544326
To be fair it is very boring.

>>3544349
It's way more densely packed and doesn't have even one hundredth of the time-wasting bullshit present in WOTR.

>>3544326
I said that I got bored, not that it was too hard. The plot wasn't that interesting, act 1 was fucky because the characters freak out about funding the cure asap but you can just endlessly fuck around and complete every single side quest no problem. Then you finish act 2 by killing 1 of the 3 villains and then of the remaining ones just lets you enter the city??? I was pretty burnt out by that point and I completely gave up when I entered the fireworks shop in baldur's gate where if you start the encounter the game is very laggy due to the enemies being on different elevations. Also I found Paladin kinda boring

>>3544355
You will not finish WOTR. Terrible story, terrible pacing and full of empty space and shit that intentionally wastes your time.

>>3544350
>>3544366
Terrible story ,the combat is far too easy ,it's full of coomer shit and zoomer humor.
>one hundredth of the time-wasting bullshit present in WOTR.
Lol what?Most of the game is time wasting bullshit.It's the same as all Larianslop games.

>>3544372
BG3 doesn't have 60 hours of watching a game piece slowly crawl across the map.

I liked BG3 and WotR. :)

Larian and Owlcat make the same mediocre slop, and if you don't agree, you're not objective and you're probably just in it for the waifus

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MY GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD!

>>3544752
BG3 is so mindboggingly far ahead of what they made previously that I could not believe it existed until I played it. That game is in an entirely different league.

>>3544848
No. It's just a high budget version of what they were making in an even worse setting.

>>3544854
You can't even jump in dos2. All the the verticality is fake and there's invisible walls everywhere. There is a thousandfold more permutation in how you can interact with the environment in bg3, it's not even remotely the same game. It's like comparing half life 1 to half life 2.

>>3544856
>You can't even jump in dos2.
Git gud.
>It's like comparing half life 1 to half life 2.
What a coincidence, Half-Life 1 was a much better game than 2.

why ever pick a Bard unless you're the face of the party?

>>3544891
It's a strong class.

>>3540483
You can't get best ending without actively playing the mobile game or cheating it with mods

>>3542549
bard was always strong
artfags have a lot of say on this shit and guess what, artfag class is bard
same reason why wizards were always OP cause it's the nerds class

>>3544939
bard wasn't good in the first iteration of it, too convoluted to become one.
every class in the nerd class. only nerds play tabletop.

>>3541801
>/v/ is retarded
>the fun is your imagination

>>3541884
Lmao

newfag here, rtwp or turn-based for wotr?

>>3545313
Uninstall.

>>3545317
>>>/v/

>>3545313
yes

any non meme answers?
>>3545313

>>3545332
>>3545323

>>3545332
Turn based is easier in my opinion.

>>3545313
WotR doesn't really have a turn based mode, the game isn't balanced for it so it's sort of like activating a cheat mode that completely breaks and trivialize the game. I would 100% unironically just refund it while you still can.

are there skyrim like follower mods for this game yet

>>3545313
real time story mode for regular shit encounters
change into core and turn base for unique fights

>>3545313
turn based is boring and slow tbqh. There are plenty of great tb games, but wotr isn't one of them.
Owlcat even included a cosmic level retarded fan quest which must be played in turn based and is about as much as blending your dick

Get bubble buff mod, stack attacks of opportunity in a melee heavy party and delete everything instantly

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>>3536283
Bros give me an honest answer, no memery.

How important are these DLC? Should I just get the base? It's very cheap but I have other shit I want to buy.

>>3546139
I am 100% not meme'ing that you should not play this garbage and OP made a seperate sales thread just because no one was buying owlcat games in the actual sales thread. That's how dishonest the people spamming this shit are.

To all the refund/don't buy pathfinder niggers
What modern-ish rpg games outside of bg3 do you consider worth buying?

>>3546161
Divinity Original Sin 1/2

>>3536796
/thread

>>3546161
Tower of Time, Knights of the Chalice, Grimrock, Space Wreck.

>>3546144
please stop shilling.

>>3546161
Age of Decadence, Pillars of Eternity, Knights of the Chalice, grimrock, expedition conquistador, geneforge remakes, disco elysium, banner saga

>>3544894
its not that strong, can't even decide what to do with it. As a rear line mage, or a frontline fighter with some casting utility

>>3546139
Ranked in order of importance:

Wildcards gives kineticist class which is pretty cool to play as it plays differently than every other PF class and the companion(s) is probably the best one(s) in the game suitable for replacing almost any other one you don't like.

Varnhold's I don't care for side quests mostly removed from the main game personally but it has 18 feats about popular build mechanics like dual wield. A little less relevant if you're not into multiple playthroughs and pushing builds in order to use the feats. It changes the ending so slightly you probably won't care about the extremely minor extra end scene which is just "RP cosmetic."

Beneath the Stolen Lands if you want a roguelike mode with unremarkable extra loot and/or a place to test builds and XP boost your party. I find it not pointless but very skippable.

Royal Ascension is non in-game soundtrack and 2 portraits and a cosmetic pet fluff. Pointless to me.

>>3546161
Pretty much anything else outside of those crappy nucom clones, this is one of the worst things you can play.

>>3546252
>expedition conquistador
i could not get into this game and i don't understand the praise.

>>3546666
I had fun with the difficulty cranked and a team full of characters with the racist trait. The sequels felt like braindead boring phone games.

>>3546139
It's perfectly serviceable just as the base game. I have just base from Epic, and I regret not having the goats (Wildcards) and the Varnhold's Lot adventure, as a completionist, but I don't think you really miss much.

>fighting defensively is a free action
does it mean that I can attack, use fighting defensively and end the turn, and then at the start of the next turn just disable it, attack and enable it again?
what's the downside?

>>3544805
> lawful good
> vivi

anon....

>>3547224
No. In the tabletop as well as in the crpg fighting defensively only applies if declared before making a standard action (i.e. an attack).

>>3547247
fair enough. Damn this game is really overwhelming for a beginner, much harder than bg3. Which is good, after understanding the basics there is nothing more to do in that game. Feels like there are more build options here

Tell me lads, how hard does archery fall off late game or on higher difficulties? I'm on normal, about to attack Drezen and Wenduag fucks hard with her 3 attacks with composite longbow. I saw Ranger has even more buffs for archery. I'm tempted to restart on Core with 2-3 archer party.

>>3547271
I used a deliverer slayer archer merc to replace the dex skillmonkey role in my party and did great

>>3547271
Archery is ridiculously good and keeps getting better.
The only real issues with it are gear distribution if you have more than one archer. Which is also solved by using longbow, shortbow, and the apex predator of ranged: throwing axes and one of the builds that can abuse them the best such as mutation warrior or sohei.
Piercing resistance might be a slight issue, or if you have built into sneak attacks on them as well, but not really since there are a lot of ways around resistances.

>>3547281
>>3547287
Are crossbows any good?

>>3547288
There’s a couple decent ones. I put them on the back line wizard and priest to have something to plink with

>>3547271
It doesn't. For 90% of combats, all the work is done by Wenduag & Arue. For the 10% left, my mages join in (and out of that, 9.9% is done by high level lich spells).

Melee fighters are mostly there for banter.

>>3547259
>Feels like there are more build options here
There's really not.

>>3547288
They're ok but they're mostly inferior to composite longbow because they don't add STR to your damage.
There might be some edge use cases with owlcat occasionally throwing down an OP one but most of the junk magic weapons have something like "17 DC to do X" which isn't too impressive past midgame.

They have a slightly better crit profile, which has some slight potential to be built into a one shotting sniper vital strike build but that's way harder to do than standard archers and multishot, rapid shot, dual wield t. axe stype stuff. A vanity/rp project I mean to take up at some point.

>>3547293
Enlarge and lunge on a strength megazord Wendu with mutation and cleave is no joke.

Neither is my megadex slayer deliverer tank with dual wield and handaxe of rovagug (grave singer). The penetration options from double debilitate, advanced slayer and sneak + deliverer dps stack is quite good. Granted some of it applies to archery but you do need some kind of tank and I get tired of running pets. Then there is outflank.

Archery is easy to phone in builds but melee is stupidly competitive, OP if built right.
Watching everything explode in one hit happens frequently with a cleave built heavy enough.

>>3547304
I felt like cleave is weak because yu sacrifice all of your attacks for the round.

>>3547309
What?

>>3547311
Cleave attack, if I understood the feat correctly, takes an entire action, meaning all your extra attacks you have from BAB, Haste, etc., are wasted for the round you used cleave in.

But maybe I understood wrong?

>>3547312
Yes, but the feat is taken as a prerequisite for cleaving finish and the cleave action is only used at low BAB.

>>3547312
>>3547316
Yep, you turn on autocleave at low levels while you don't have many attacks = everything dies.
Then you get 2-3 attacks and turn it off regular cleave forever while your massive 2h, str build, tons of enlargement style buffs, power attack, crit profile, tons of warrior feat, mutation, insure that you get a killing blow and repeatedly activate cleaving finish to kill everything in a pack at mid to high levels = everything dies.

Using a reach weapon and it's almost ranged. Add lunge to it and it practically is ranged but one which insures you get all those cleaving finishes, also with outflank and covers your sneak attack melee guy for lots of threat range, which also makes sure everything dies.

>>3547312
and for maximal hilarity, serpent bloodline for even more reach if you want to work it in. I didn't bother since I'm also on a bit of a pure companions kick but Primalist/mutation warrior would be an even more obscene cleaver

>>3547312
another factor is once your threat range is so huge that it covers a good part of the map, enemy motion makes more opportunity attacks, so you add combat expertise to get lots of them

Put all that together and you can now see how ranged can indeed get outclassed by melee.
You might be able to work in the long arms spell on a primalist too, since they're arcane. I haven't looked at all the build options in a minute.

>>3547281
Yeah I'm using a deliverer slayer with throwing axes and he blends everything. maybe a solid 25% of all party damage

>>3544891
bard has been completely mugged by skald imo;.In much the same way that rogue has been mugged by about a dozen other classes.

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Gonna make a mounted Oracle Azata, starting with one level of the Sable Company Marine Ranger for the horsebird since that sounds crazy cool, meaning that I'll take the Nature Mystery so that the Hippogriffin levels alongside my character.
Aside from using wield a sword and a shield, I'm not sure what else to do with the character.
Recommend me some possibilities for feats and play styles.

>>3547434
Also, am I crazy or once upon a time you could have two sets of wings, one from the race/class and one from the mythic path, and both would show in your character?
I used toybox to level a character to 20 to plan builds and stuff but once I get the mythic path wings the race's wings are no longer displayed.
I get that it was janky and would clip, but I thought it looked cool as fuck in an edgy teenager sort of way.
Is there any way to revert that? I tried using the visual adjustment2 mod but that doesn't seem to do anything.

>>3547434
>Recommend me some possibilities for feats and play styles
Try moving on to better games.

Is there a way to make companions run in a formation? Sure once they stop they assemble into one but my ranged characters love running in front of the group

>>3547434
I don't like mounted casters myself so not sure why you want oracle for this (esp. on non-angel since no merge) although I suspect it's something to do with zippy magic.
I'd also suggest you do a drovier druid instead or sylvan sorc if you want full casters.
They could both fling a lot of lightning for example and the drovier gets unique pet buffs besides. This should make both Aivu and the Hippo stronger in the case of the Drovier.
Druids also have the best pet specific buffs lines.

Put a throwing axe or the one javelin on, make it a dwarf while you're at it, lol.

Tandem executioner or wandering marksman hunter would make another good unique pet buff stack. Tandem can't cast but gets more interesting unique buffs, WM Hunter has some of the better druid buffs as a hybrid with a couple extra feats and a unique pet mechanics meant to be used non-mounted.

You're taking a big BAB hit on all of those combos compared to Ranger keep in mind.

Charge mechanics + spells isn't a good combo.
Mounted pet + spells is a bit (large) of a waste of the pet.
Even if you are mounted, casting spell in threat range gives the enemy AOO, which will then open you up to being killed even through the enormous pet ac.

If I ever replayed this, I would do a custom party of mercs:
Vanilla paladin MC, angel path, sword and board
Some flavor of bard, rapier and light shield
Ecclesitheurge
Exploiter wizard
That’s all you need. No dips, everything covered

>>3547496
>I don't like mounted casters myself so not sure why you want oracle for this (esp. on non-angel since no merge) although I suspect it's something to do with zippy magic.
I was actually thinking of going with a hybrid support-melee kind of deal actually, using Azata to give everyone Teamwork Feats and Oracle Spells mostly for buffs, to free the spell slots of some party members for more interesting things.
Your observations all all fair enough, however.
Also, tangential, but why the fuck can't you mount polymorphed pets?
What the fuck.

>>3547510
>Also, tangential, but why the fuck can't you mount polymorphed pets?
I wish polymorphed protagonist was mountable. Why even be able to dragonform

>>3548129
Actually, M-sized humanoids should be able to give shoulder rides to hobbit girls in cRPGs
basic courtesy

On my first playthrough rn, should I just go full mercs? I feel like I have no idea what my companions do and I've just let them auto-level. I got the hang of my MC and I created 1 mercerany and I am able to level them both up, but the companions feel like a mess

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>>3548380
How do idiots get memed into buying this garbage when they have zero desire to learn the mechanics anyways? Why did you buy a feat porn game when you don't have interest in any of that? Is the desire to fit in that strong? Are you a literal bug? Serious question. Every day 4chan gets closer and closer to reddit. And to answer your question: No. The game isn't balanced around mercs and it's basically like activating cheat engine. You are intended to make do with the party you are given. No respecs either.

>>3548388
Sorry for not understand the game from the get-go faggot. Sorry for changing my previous choices based on what I learn playing a game from a genre I've never played.
Kill yourself tranime nigger. Genuinely die. If you read this your whore of a mother dies in her sleep tonight

>>3548406
Boy, you sure flew off the handle when your true nature was revealed, huh you literal real life NPC?

>>3548409
>asking for help makes you an NPC
you are trying a bit too hard

>>3548410
Yes asking retarded questions you can answer in 5 seconds with Google makes you an actual bot. You can tell a game is only played by complete retards when discussion is solely like this.

>>3548413
>you can answer in 5 seconds with Google
holy fuck, you truly are retarded
My question isn't "what are feats?" or "which companion is the strongest" or whatever else.
I'm asking people who have played the game whether I lose on some quests/items/whatever else if I slowly push the companions out with mercs and if they advise against it.
Also it's my first game of this kind and I have no idea what to expect from it, hence my question. If you don't want to help out then fuck off

>>3548422
>Also it's my first game of this kind and I have no idea what to expect from it
First what? First CRPG? This is not a good first CRPG. You got swindled by a dying /vg/ general. Playing a high level adventure in a bloated and poorly implemented ruleset is a terrible idea if you don't know what you're getting in to. Better to just play Temple of Elemental Evil if you want to learn 3.5e, despite being over 15 years older it shows how the ruleset works in a more understandable and clean way anyways. Or if you have a high tolerance for complete garbage there's NWN, lots of retards like that game.


You won't listen though, because you didn't listen previously. Lost cause and waste of time.

>>3548429
I like the setting, the companions are kinda dull but that's fine. Have your last (You) doomer

>>3548431
You mean you liked the tumblr porn.
>Lost cause and waste of time

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I honestly don't understand why moetranny seethes at Owlkek so much. i mean i get it, there games aren't that great and other studio does shit better than them but that doesn't mean that you would go 24/7 online jihad against them to convince them that there games are garbage and just outright lying sometimes . There games are just okay RPG with good build option thanks to being pf1e (3.5e derivative)

>>3548458
>There games are just okay RPG with good build option thanks to being pf1e (3.5e derivative)
Except they aren't and owlcut guts all the tactical mechanics while arbitrarily bloating numbers go functions, dumped on top of garbage campaign and encounter design. All you are doing is leading people to garbage, when people who have never played a rpg before are going to this the shilling must be absolutely out of control. And there are no good builds in pf1e, all classes exist to cover a wide net of pre-fight buffs, which aren't even relevant to feats in most cases, and all other input is largely irrelevant beyond picking the same handful of clearly good feats over obviously bad ones. Party member don't have roles, they just contribute to the buff/debuff pool with little to no player input.

>>3548463
>And there are no good builds in pf1e
wrong. all four of my playthroughs have been different in wrath because the various mythic path incentivize replay. I have yet to play a game that lets me play a angelic orc shaman riding a wolf, Aasimar semon demon who can stun lock the entire map, Lich that can resurrect demons and drop a nuke and become a Avatar of the four elements.

>>3548463
>noooooooo other people had fun playing a game I don’t like noooooooooo they’re having fun wrong

>>3548458
your inability to understand him simply speaks to your own mental health.

>>3548500
>understand him
stop samefag you dumb cunt.

>>3548512
>stop samefag you dumb cunt.
I read that post as “you can’t understand him because you aren’t insane like he is”

>>3548527
whatever. i honestly can't imagine why you would side with a schizo that thinks his games are better than other games and goes on to shitpost until it hits bump limit. You might aswell conside an hero yourself if you do that

is it really just 1 retard saying that this game is shit and to refund/don't buy it?

>>3548538
Moeblob has a very distinct posdting sdtyled. and if the same person shitting on it and shills that shitty pf2e game, kingdom of chalice or poe than it's moetroon. he also hates neverwinter and bg1/2 for some reason

>>3548512
i was insulting him, retard.

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>>3548538
No, but it sure is one retard saying to buy it. And that retard is from /vg/ and even uses the same images. Its just an attempt to set up a new general here, which is what has happened in the past. It just an advertisement to trick idiots into buying games they aren't prepared for and smugly copy paste a build off reddit when they say they are confused, because neither they nor the retard tricked into buying the game actually understands it and its just retards fucking around with toybox making theoretical level 40 builds that don't really mesh with the experience curve anyways. Additionally, I've done playthroughs of Grimrock 1, Grimrock 2, Wizardry 7, Kingmaker, Rogue Trader, Pool of Radiance, Eye of the Beholder, Baldur's Gate 1, Baldur's Gate 2, Baldur's Gate 3, Icewind Dale 2, Skies of Arcadia, Disco Elysium, Trails in the Sky, Final Fantasy 6, Temple of Elemental Evil, Arx Fatalis, etc. here on this board as well, so I guess you better not play those either. You have no idea what I do here lol, stay on your general.

>>3548554
this almost feels like reverse psychology shilling. do you work at owlcat?

>>3548554
When are you going to turn your attention to the Underrail generals and dominating build autists? They seem like the exact same type.

>>3548463
Pathfinder is LITERALLY
LITERALLY
Build to optimize a limited number of functions of your character and spam them as hard as possible while stacking buffs. That's what it's been since 2009. It's inherited from 3.5 where the same fucking thing happens.

>>3548554
>if you buy a new game you got tricked by a shill!
go outside tranime retard, god damn this is the dumbest shit I've read in a fucking while

>>3548566
I started an underrail playthrough and they just started screaming and crying that I looked up a build when I started criticizing it even though I just picked the most obviously broken feats and the stat thresholds suggested by said feats, which supported my statement that the game was based on a braindead AP system with a completely broken one sided action economy padded out with repetitive serbien tunnel crawling and the dumbest implementation of milestone leveling I've ever seen. Those people are the same stupid faggots pushing this garbage, same faggots that post about morrowind, arcanum, NV, and VTMB its a cult of mediocrity for casuals and newfags that get their opinions from edgy and often slavic youtube ecelebs.

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>>3548573
Oh I have screenshots too. Here's me solving a fight with a grenade. (spoilers: this is how you beat all fights that arent instantly resolved by your basic damage rotation)

>>3548554
Sorry but /vrpg/ belongs to pathfinder chads. the threads with 900+ replies here made me try out there game

>>3548570
Except that doesn't happen in 3.5e. You don't spam 80 fucking buffs in 3.5e. Logically tabletop is nothing like WotR, ESPECIALLY not 3.5e, because in general it is of a much lower level, such egregious pre-buffing is not tolerated, and quite frankly it would be impossible to keep track of all the obscene buffing happening in WotR at a table. This happens because Owlcat are bad DMs and their game is designed badly. Don't see this shit happening in KotC2 even though its OGL3.5e, what happened there? Don't answer because I know your head is up your ass.

>>3548570
You're talking to an idiot who doesn't even that Magus from 1e and 2e basically plays the same with some minor differences. or that Wizard is the giga cucked class in 2e because any thing a wizard can do, a thema, a fighter, rogue or even a witch can do better than him because of how prof works

>>3548588
Don't reply to yourself man

>>3548585
>You don't spam 80 fucking buffs in 3.5e.
You absolutely fucking do. It was even worse in 3.0 because 1 hour/caster level buffs were fucking everywhere.
>Don't see this shit happening in KotC2 even though its OGL3.5e, what happened there?
No shit it doesn't happen there, they're based on the OGL with modifications. KotC1 and 2 literally went out of their way to stop you from buff stacking by making almost every single one of the spells you'd stack only castable in combat and making prebuffing impossible.

>>3548585
>Except that doesn't happen in 3.5e. You don't spam 80 fucking buffs in 3.5e
I am convinced you haven't played any tabletop and are nogame faggot who thinks vidya shit is the same as in video game because pre-buffing existed in 3.5 and some DM even encourged players to do it because most spells last like a fucking hour unlike in pf1e where righteous might or even prayer cant even last more than rounds

>because in general it is of a much lower level
Basically this. Wrath is a high lvl adventure so it's understandable for every to have buffs and demigod stats. try playing through the ashes dlc. most spells won't even last long and you can't even defeat the average skelton or necromancer without one out of three of your party member dying.

>>3548621
>You absolutely fucking do
No you don't you fucking idiot, and stop pretending to be 2 people. What is the point of pre-buffing in 3.5e when disjunction wipes it all? You don't know shit about 3.5e, you didn't play it when it came out.

>>3548585
The most infamous Cleric build in all of 3.5 was built around making their personal buffs have 24 hour durations. Regular common sense play involved spamming the shit out of Greater Magic Weapon and Magic Vestment and before you entered dungeons or anywhere dangerous you'd layer up your 10 min/CL buffs. Don't even try to argue this you fucktard, I played a mid-level Mage of the Arcane Order at a table and had a nearly double digit list of self buffs on just from the 1 hour/CL ones alone.

>>3548642
You're just ignoring getting called out and being dead wrong and samefagging

>>3548640
>What is the point of pre-buffing in 3.5e when disjunction wipes it all?
Because disjunction is limited to 17+ casters, if you're prebuffed you can have countermeasures to disjunction available, and because disjunction is an incredibly shitty spell to fling around for reasons other than prebuffing?

>>3548642
Anon, all of that can be easily dispelled at high level. If you are running around with 10 million buffs mauling everything any decent DM is going to put an end to it immediately. You're either lying or had a retard DM.

>>3548648
Dispelling is an utter bitch to pull off against a prebuffer actually because they go straight for caster level boosts for duration reasons, which also inures them against dispels. Can't dispel shit against someone who stacked their caster level to +7 over normal.

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>>3548647
>Because disjunction is limited to 17+ casters
We're talking about high level play where you are regularly facing high level casters. You already conceded and admitted it's not an issue in low level 3.5e, and I guess now you're admitting it's not an issue in high level 3.5e too. How long are you gunna squirm lol, how many more retarded posts are you gunna make?

>>3548653
Level 11 is not high level play.

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>anyone who disagree with me is samefagging.
Yep, it's schizo time
>>3548648
Yeah sure unless you have like SR31 and the feeble Lichcel can't even penetrate your SR

I don't think a single owlcat fan actually plays tabletop

>>3548653
Do I need to explain to you why a DM throwing around Disjunctions nonstop will find themselves with no players? I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with the spellcasters.

>>3548658
>Do I need to explain to you why a DM throwing around Disjunctions nonstop will find themselves with no players
Yeah you do, because it sounds like you had a shit DM and shit people to play with, because that's an entirely normal solution. 3.5e is already heavily weighted towards the player, everything is permissible and a DM that won't kill PCs is a bad DM. First DM I had was my English teacher and high school and he wiped us countless times until we learned. No being a special snowflake super hero, there's always a bigger fish.

>>3548657
Maybe. but you clearly don't and are nogame fag pretending to be a fa/tg/uy expert in Dndogshit mechanics.by just playing video games. just take the L and move on troon, no one likes and you are schizo rants are annoying

>>3548661
Your ass got absolutely pounded in this exchange. How does it feel?

>>3548660
>and each permanent magic item must make a successful Will save or be turned into a normal item. An item in a creature’s possession uses its own Will save bonus or its possessor’s Will save bonus, whichever is higher.
>Entire game is built around the party having magic items
There is literally no purpose in being a martial character in a game where Disjunction is being spammed. None. You don't get immediate actions to get the fuck out of the way, you don't get contingencies to tell it to fuck off. It's not a matter of if it's going to delete your gear, it's a matter of when.

>>3548667
>It's not a matter of if it's going to delete your gear, it's a matter of when.
Guess you better have a crafter then.

>>3548665
Stop thinking about mens ass you faggot and actually play a TT game for once. go in /tg/ and ask if someone is willing to play with you on foundry or roll20. maybe you stop having homoerotic thoughs and try to be a normal member of society after socializing a bit

>>3548669
You will literally never get the XP or time to recover from it, moron. What the fuck are you expecting, Thought Bottle timeless demiplane abuse that renders the entire game moot?

>>3548670
>Stop thinking about mens ass you faggot and actually play a TT game for once. go in /tg/
But anon, everyone on /tg/ is a gay discord ERP'r

>>3548671
>You will literally never get the XP or time to recover from it, moron
What do you mean lmao, progression is not guaranteed and you aren't entitled to being fully decked out in optimal gear. You rolled the dice on that like a minmax faggot, now suffer. These mechanics are here specifically to punish retards like you.

>>3548676
>progression is not guaranteed
Wrong.

>>3548676
>He thinks it's about not having optimal gear
It's about having the bare minimum the game expects of you, which you won't have if the DM is being a fucktard and spamming Disjunction while jerking off under the table. Nevermind the actual real-world time resolving this horseshit takes.

>>3536307
This.

>>3548676
Those mechanics are there because 3E was never tested above 6th level and the DMG literally says not to run a game like this.

>>3548683
Sure sounds like pussy excuses

>>3548535
I’m not. I was agreeing with you.

>>3548554
>the avatarfag with a folder of three images is crying about other people using “the same images”

>>3548706
What do you think wealth by level is for?

>>3548753
Minimum equipment value for a PC, useful for exactly the type of progression where your gear can be destroyed.

>>3548766
And... what happens when you don't have that value?

>>3548776
You design any fight that is high stakes enough to eliminate that value to provide sufficient rewards to replace it *maybe* and other times you simply cripple the PC because that's dangerous and interesting.

>>3548667
Your casters should be protecting and empowering martials. If martials are disabled the caster gets overwhelmed and dies. It's the casters job to pin down opposing casters while martials clear the frontline. It's that simple and it's not unreasonable to deal with 1 disjunction in an encounter.

>>3548784
>If martials are disabled the caster gets overwhelmed and dies.
We are not talking about the same game.

>>3548793
You didn't even know what disjunction is, so apparently so.

>>3548778
Destroying martials on a whim isn't dangerous and it's not interesting. It's shit DMing.

>>3548796
I do know what it is and I know why it's banned most of the time at those levels. You don't because you don't understand what breaks when it gets thrown around.

>>3548803
It's because recalculating everything for everyone hit by it takes forever and dicking the worst off party members harder isn't fun for anyone at the table to deal with. This isn't new to anyone but you.

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Owlcattle pretending they know anything about tabletop always makes me laugh.

can you retards go back to /tg/?

>>3548810
>openly shit on PF
>YOU ARE LE OWLCATTLE
No