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Why is it so common for modern crpgs to include romance options that are not only sluts, but sluts that try to cheat on you? And is some cases they outright do so
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dont ask questions you cant handle the answers to
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>>3544505
Go back to /vg/, you have a whole general to yourself that you ruined just so you could spam owlcattle garbage on it.
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>>3544505
>romance options that are not only sluts, but sluts that try to cheat on you?
That's what wimpy build autists get. Women lust after animalistic immersion chads.
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>>3544505
I'd say it's just an evil alignment thing
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>>3544505
Think about what an adventurer's job is, anon. These women are not wife material.
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>>3544505
Just a WotR thing
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>>3544505
Writers write what they know. Modern writers are cucks and proud degenerates, so that's what they put into their writing.
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>>3544505
Why do you care that women are being depicted realistically?
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>>3544505
That specific character is basically a freaky cannibal demon spawn cave spider monster though. You only have yourself to blame for romancing that thing. I know you are a retard sending a signal flare for other retards to congregate in this thread, but at least pick someone else to complain about.
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>>3544565

Not to be THAT guy but the potential female romances are all broken. Arue is a former slut that basically wants the PC to ignore her body count so that she can have a fresh start as a good girl. CamCam is the hot crazy chick that take things too far. The virgin queen is a workaholic that´s terrible at her job and will literally try to kill the commander to keep it (never date coworkers). Then there is Nocticula, literally the queen of the sluts and Wendu. Ironically the spider-cat cannibal monster is just a scared woman at her wits end trying to survive hell. True enough she´ll do ANYTHING to survive, including betrayal, but she is hardly the worst option presented by the game.

The truth is the game doesn´t present the player with a supportive female loyal option. There is no Arwen, Eowyn or lady Marian option here. The only woman worth fighting for is the innocent weirdo Ember. She is not a romance option but she is the only one of the lot that´s a good person and actually deserves a break.
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>>3544773
>that basically wants the PC to ignore her body count
Can you post a screenshot of Arue saying this?
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>>3544773
>The truth is the game doesn´t present the player with a supportive female loyal option
Aivu. Just wait for a few years and you can marry her.
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>>3544773
>virgin queen
Anon, I...
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>>3544779
Yeah, that guy is wrong, it's actually more like she throws it out there how broken and self-hating she is in order to gain sympathy. She's good at seduction and playing the vulnerability card.
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>>3544505
>romance the evil feral psycho-slut who loves murder and betrays your party like 3 times
>"wtf, she's not being faithful to my dick? how could this happen?"
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>>3544773
arue is one of the few modern romances where you have kids anon
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>>3545045
based, broke a 15 year curse
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>>3544505
Simple, they're western-made.

Nips have the decency to actually label their NTR-shit as NTR so it can be easily avoided, literally all of them are low budget too.

In the west however, a certain pointy-nose tribe with foreign allegiance would take offense if the games they financed actually warned their consumers of cuckshit. Instead girlboss polyamory faithless male-degradation is actually good and basically you're satan if you care about a woman's body count.
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>>3544505
I still don't get why it is too much asked fir to get a properly made game like the first half of kingmaker annually.
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>>3545119
Somebody hasn't played Bahamut Lagoon.
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>>3545144
If owlcat made small games no one would care about them because they are extremely bad devs and would get lost in the pack of indie devs that make games that sell for $5 like Vogel. Like the only thing they have going for them is how much garbage is piled onto the heap, just tons and tons of garbage padding out the worst RPG you've ever seen.
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>>3544505
Why do you people care? The age of decently written companions is over; done; finished; finito la comedia. What you get now is Cabal-sponsered propaganda disguised as (((subverting of goypectations))), and sluts like Owlcat devs are willing to pole-dance and swallow for that jewish-buck so shit's what you get. If anyone is to produce a decent companion - or story for that matter, he'll have to essentially be a rich patrician with enthusiasm for RPGs and an active dislike of (((tribe))) - to prove that he doesn't have their dick in his mouth. He'll also have to be well-read, and have a touch of romanticism, spirituality and even theological interest. You can probably understand by now that the second coming of Jesus is more probable than us getting a hypothetical dev like that. You probably have a few that fit the criteria, but they're not born into money so that means that you can't bypass Jewish-gestapo, thus you have to remove that sexy romantic bombshell for a sheboon or psychopath cabal-slavebaby like whorecam.

Do yourself a favour and don't engage with their characters in the first place. Owlcat at least allows you the option of skipping their judeo-bolshevik fanfics in favour of based mercs.
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>>3545154
why did you post a twitter screencap accompanied by schizo /pol/ rants
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>>3545149
>the worst RPG you've ever seen
Y'know, that's a hard question to answer, I've played so many bad RPGs and yet they don't seem to stick in my head or leave an impression. Maybe ArcaniA.
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>>3545155
I like to shitup shill/bot threads with truth, and there are no mossad-jannies that remove these kinds of posts here, so you're just gonna have to cope, seethe and dilate.
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>>3545149
No one cares about those money laundering lib ruskies.
They choose to be a corporate leech and ride established ips to deliver subpar crpgs.
Lame!
>bad devs
Beyond ridiculous, really. How did they fuck up wotr so bad?
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>>3544505
Just look at how different romance is written by men and women and you will understand why.
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>>3545146
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>>3545155
/pol/yps have zero individuality, they're basically bots.
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>Pursues the "NOOO I CAN FIX HER" girl
>Can't fix her and she ruins your life
Tale as old as time
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>>3545284
Wenduag actually can be fixed, though. Cammy on the other hand...
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>>3545284
>the "NOOO I CAN FIX HER" girl
that's every single romance in wrath
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>>3545324
And most boy ones as well. Sosiel is the only one who doesn't need an entire crew to fix him.
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>>3545408
sosiel's story was hilarious, it's basically him learning to deal with his nigga moments. the implicit racism in his and seelah's characterization was quite amusing.
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>>3545312
Cammy needs not to be fixed, she is already perfect.
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>>3545420
His romance was also alright. Very lovey-dovey virgin who has a crush on (You) and whom you can seduce and turn into someone who craves your dick daily. I guarantee you that most anons would love Sosiel more than Camelia if he was a girl.
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>>3544505
>"Write what you know."
- Mark Twain
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>>3545429
Based cuckchad
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>>3545158
Aryan hands wrote this post
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>>3544505
Pathfinder issue, take the Warhammer pill
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>>3545553
Too bad all her endings are doomed to either having a loveless distance relationship or her turning into a squid because having an happy ending with a girl that isn't a gigawhore is verboten. Unless of course it's to describe how she marries an NPC and has a bunch of children with them, then it's allowed because you're a cuck and that's heckin valid.
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>>3545570
>loveless distance relationship
Incorrect
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>>3545572
>grew distant and turned into a squid
So loveless. Platonic love at best.
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>>3545572
I think that is
>her turning into a squid
part.
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>>3545577
It takes a special kind of denial to directly contradict something you're seeing with your own two eyes huh
>>3545580
No, that's another ending where her mutations go out of control too early and she dies
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>>3545584
It literally says that mutations transform her body. She turns into a squid.

Owlshit is literally incapable of writing an happy ending for romance. It literally always has to have some shit like "BTW you don't have children ever" or "BTW she lives alone apart from you" or "BTW she turns into a squid"

Cassia literally has no happy endings.
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>>3545597
Navigator mutations grow as they grow older, do you cry like this when women start wrinkling?
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>>3545606
>your happiest ending is having a brief basically platonic long distance relationship before she turns into a squid in a tank
Grim.
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>>3545154
>unironic VHG posting and """theological interest""" as a prereq for good writing
you aren't wrong for the most part but you are still a fag
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>>3545610
>brief
>platonic
>long distance
>squid in a tank
All headcanon
Cassia won, at least five fish children ending soon
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>>3545597
That's probably something to do with the shitty setting. The fanbase is full of retarded, edgy, balding cucks who only want to witness misery, not noticing how comical it all looks when misery is the only defining trait of a setting.
Pathfinder has shitty endings, but there's some very enjoyable ones.
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>>3545619
Good thing all the endings are happy then
Except for Yrliet's
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>>3545620
>Good thing all the endings are happy then
Hardly. Owlcat is still afraid of letting the main character have kids and arbitrarily decides not to include what is obviously expected of a straight couple, something that, for some reason, happens to npcs. Fucking chickenshits.
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>>3545629
As if their main characters have any relevance outside their games whatsoever.
While we are at it, when is the fft remaster coming out?
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>>3545629
>afraid of letting the main character have kids
You're still crying about this?
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>>3545668
You're still crying about him crying about it?
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>>3545681
Well, I know I do... At times.
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>>3545681
I just thought you'd shut the fuck up after the Arue ending
Although you've probably already shitposted saying that the kids aren't yours or are mad that it was the succcubus and not some made up virgin waifu, that's how you work after all, always coming up with something to complain or shitpost about
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>>3545683
>I just thought you'd shut the fuck up after the Arue ending
Did they add an ending where you have kids? I remember her 'happy' ending being the one with the funny haha farmer village meme.
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>>3545685
The DLC did
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>>3545686
Is that true? And is she the only one who gets it?
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>>3545689
No, Lann too
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>>3545692
>girl who spends half the game flirting with other men and saying she wants their seed because they're strong doesn't want to have children with you
kekaroo, they must really hate wenduag.
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>>3545683
You are crying to the wrong person now.
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>>3545685
>"The former demon lived in the house she built together with the Commander, far from the bustle of the city. It was there that they spent their time together in happy seclusion, when they were not busy with other matters. They had nothing to be ashamed of, and they had no secrets — and still the shy young woman sought to hide their love from prying eyes.",
>"After some time had passed, the babbling of children could be heard from Arueshalae's cozy house. With the children's arrival, the Commander and Arueshalae's happiness only grew stronger."
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>>3545704
Damn that bitch is ugly.
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>>3544773
>the game doesn´t present the player with a supportive female loyal option.
Just like real life.
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>>3545704
She won
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>>3544505
Why do rpgs even have romance?
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>>3545681
Stop assuming everyone is the same person, schizo. I haven't played the dlc, so that's cool, I guess. I still wish there were more of that for actual good endings. That would make it feel satisfying and not potentially bittersweet, even if I do like bittersweet/sad endings and liked some of the romanced Yrliet endings.
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>>3545785
Meant for >>3545668
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>>3544815
this. OP is as always, a fag :)
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Why would my necromancer romance anyone when he already conquered death?
Romances are always cringe. Don't like the loyal lapdog virgin wife character or the whore of Gomorrah, RPGs with choices will never succeed in romance.
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>>3544505
why are you playing as a woman?
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I didn't like the Excess very much, but the ending was kino escaping to other planes while simultaneously helping the real me to ascend was fun.
I don't know if I can stand playing it again on my Demon and Legend ones
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>>3545850
Usually virgins like yuri because they can't identify with a man being liked by a woman.
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>>3545154
>he'll have to essentially be a rich patrician with enthusiasm for RPGs and an active dislike of (((tribe)))
problem is you can't become rich and have an active dislike of (((tribe))), so your dream is even more impossible than you think
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>>3545154
Most of traditional western stories include romances that are doomed, unhappy or include some sort of heavy drama. If you are such a great scholar of non-jew literature, please provide three examples of traditional love stories that don't end in tragedy, don't include some sort of love-triangle and don't involve shitton of drama. I'll wait till the stars burn out.
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>>3545749
Great question few dare to think about.
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>>3545877
If you can have a rpg with friends and enemies, even family members, why not romance?
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>>3545877
Because it's fun, you are also not forced into it. BG3 being the exception where all companions are wet for the MC
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>>3544505
>Deskari is a giga simp for Iomaede
You are playing the romance CRPG bucko
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>>3545864
Good point, real subversion should be wholesome portrayals, but, drama sells and people love gossip. It does bear out though, that RP shouldn't mimic cautionary tales from narratives that are based on static characters. Basically classical literature is trash from a perspective of the psychological health of the contemporary man, because ancients probably didn't identify with characters due to a closer connection to reality from not being infused with illusion and alienated by technology from an early age
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>>3545749
cause sex le good
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>>3544779

She is a succubus that wants to be forgiven. What do you think she wants to be forgiven for? Sleeping around and killing. That´s what succubus do.

>>3545739

What´s the point then? Fantasy is meant to be a depiction of the impossible and unreal, not social commentary, no social conditioning and not an exaggeration of how real relationships are. All i´m saying is that if one is going to pretend ascending to godhood is possible one may as well pretend there is a pure wife waiting at the end of that road. If the game was made by japs we would have gotten one of those.

Off Topic:

Doing a chaotic run but can´t decide between Azata to Legend or Trickster to Legend roleplaying wise. I´m well aware Trickster is better mechanically as you get to keep the improved improved feats and i´m not opposed to play the game as one of those fey from kingmaker but Azata seems to be the path for romanticism as it was understood in the XVIII century. Suggestions?
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>>3545947
>What do you think she wants to be forgiven for? Sleeping around and killing. That´s what succubus do.
it's like going vegan and wanting to be forgiven for eating meat before
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>>3545947
How can she expect you to forgive something that she also expects you to ignore? You're simply wrong, she literally talks about how she both raped and got raped
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>>3545962
>she literally talks about how she both raped and got raped
that's life in the abyss.
kill or be killed
rape or be raped
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The only character in WOTR who cheats on you is the literal psychotic serial killer rapist.

Wendaug is doing a Viconia and larping to see how you react.
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>>3545972
>Needing to take a plot point from another game and using as headcanon to justify this game's romances
Wenduag does it because she means it, if Woljif was desperate enough to say yes she would have fucked him. You can blame the game not checking for romances when triggering that banter if you want, but don't make shit up.
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That's the problem with Arueshalalala, she doesn't sound like someone who's contrite after countless sins or who has reached enlightenment. She's written like someone insecure, who's pretending and wearing guilt as a disguise. Just a really badly written character.
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Arueshalae the love of my life
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>>3545972
>Wendaug is doing a Viconia and larping to see how you react
I'm not going to laugh at you for coping like this, I'm going to laugh at you for thinking Owlcat is actually going to put in effort to add that kind of companion-banter/romance reactivity
lol
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>>3545988
cute :3
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>>3545974
do you have a shred of proof other than her making vague larp statements designed to provoke your ire
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>>3546010
Kek no, the burden of proof is on you. Prove that what OP posted, or her banter with Woljif and Daeran, are just there to "provoke your ire"
And keep in mind that she does this regardless of romance, so you tell me why would she want to make you jealous if you're not romancing her.
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>>3546012
Where is it shown in game that she actually cuckolds you.

>it's not
>all her comments are vague "wow they're hot" remarks
I accept your concession.
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>>3546014
>Where is it shown in game that she actually cuckolds you
I never said that.
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>>3545864
That just means that the Jews have been cuckolding European culture for hundreds of years. Possibly since before European culture even existed.
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>>3545962
>How can she expect you to forgive something that she also expects you to ignore?

Woman logic anon.
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>>3546166
What's going on in that picture?
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>>3546264
Subversion.
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>>3544773
lol if you don't think your heroic character can't lay pipe better than the dudes that fucked those women in the past. you lack a competitive spirit
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>romancing anyone but Camellia in Wrath
ngmi
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>>3546309
Why would I romance the only option that actualy cucks you?
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>>3544773
Isn't the point of the whole thing that you're ascending beyond mortality? What do you need basic bitches for? Eventually you'll be able to manifest your own ideal wife, created out of the aether.
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>>3546314
Cam is loyal and trad actually
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>>3545442
Did anyone ever make a female Sosiel or Daeran mod? I'd usually rather have the romances gay men write for themselves than the romances women write for men
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>>3546336
She gets fucked behind your back. I guess that's trad material for some people, though
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>>3546264
There is a monster cut out of frame. A man, labelled "proud regular folks" is saying that he's safe from it, because he doesn't read. In the background, Lady Liberty looks on in terror, a tear in her eye. Seems pretty self explanatory to me.
It's cropped from a Kelly cartoon. I can't remember what the monster originally stood for.
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>>3544562
Women are depicted realistically but not the societal consequences of their actions.
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>>3546434
well, there is a worldwound poring out demons.
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>>3546437
[Lawful Good] All the more reason women should be controlled and put on a leash.
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>>3546438
[Lawful Good] Not just women.
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>>3546336
And the reason she wears that amulet that blocks alignment detection is that she doesn't want to brag about it.
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>>3545962
>>3546240
What point are you even trying to make?
She's 1000 times worse than high body count, she's the literal Whore of Babylon, direct from the Abyss (Chaotic Hell) and also describes being birthed out of carnivorous maggots as part of the demon rebirth cycle from scraps of evil souls. She's literally made of supernatural STDs like all demons.

She's treated well by the lgbtq friendly writers but there's a reason medieval people associated women with someone waking up a dessicated husk the next morning and it's not the fun one but the tendency and ease with which women are able to destroy your reputation, wealth, health, and will to live. Some of the better lines from PF are "these filthy eyes" etc.

Haven't seen the evil Arue yet but I need to run a character just for that, I'm curious how much simping they'll do for the dev fetish pet after she goes back to her old ways. PF has some weird narrative inconsistencies that way, like the other succ that eats the crusader eyeballs like grapes. It's got to run against the grain for some of their lefty writers.
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>>3546476
>Christcuck schizobabble
Meds
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>>3546012
>>3546014
NTA but:
Powersexual, she also remarks that she'd fuck the warlord in Wintersun if the Master wasn't better.
Ergo, Daeran and Woljif aren't more powerful than KC so it's just 'he's hot' comments.

>>3546476
What the fuck are you talking about? It's historically where succubus legends came from minus the PF specific shit, thematically speaking.
Just because I think leftists are pieces of shit doesn't mean I'm a schizo. It's a reasonable position in 2024.
I'm also an atheist so great job assuming and further proving why leftists are pieces of shit.
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>>3546493
>so it's just 'he's hot' comments
Heavy dose of copium.
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It's kinda funny that succubi are these big nerd fetish things now and it's just sleep paralysis.
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>>3546493
>that she'd fuck the warlord in Wintersun if the Master wasn't better
The pic in the OP literally contradicts this lmao
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>>3545704
Those children aren't yours.
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>>3546476

Exactly my point. The writers want to sell her as the good romantic interest because she is trying and doing her best but no self respecting man just takes damaged or used goods. IRL they would still have to live with their past and it´s consequences.

Believing that just because you got your shit together you´d be entitled to the same kind of happiness you´d have if you had not erred in the first place is the true fantasy. A happy ending on which she is a human mother seems self serving on the writers part rather than something wrote to satisfy the actual players.

The only girl in the game that actually deserves to be happy is Ember. She earned that right by not being a shit person.
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>>3546522
>A happy ending on which she is a human mother seems self serving on the writers part rather than something wrote to satisfy the actual players.
no no, it satisfies actual players too
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>>3546522
>something wrote to satisfy the actual players
>if it doesn't satisfy me then it doesn't satisfy anybody else
Arue is the most popular girl in the game
Wenduag is also very popular
Sorry, but nobody cares
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>>3546522
Regardless of my personal feelings about leftists and their simp propensities, and what kind of whores deserve what; I found the idea of a risen demon compelling because fallen angels have been a thing for a long time.
I found the goddess just snapping her fingers to rewire the demon in a dream essentially a little trite, since they go on about free will in other places.
It would have been a stronger piece of writing if they had Arue be a regular backstabbing succ when you met her and portrayed her rising to grace from an epiphany somehow while the PC directly experienced it somehow rather than filling you in on it through backstory quests.

Ember is def. the stronger piece of writing overall, yes. Doesn't hurt it's a theme I'm more sympathetic to, but it is a stronger piece of writing in the details they use and the way it is introduced (Hulrun forgiveness, Empyreal Grandma influence) That being (spiritually developed innocent inspiring others though wrongly persecuted vs. whore/demon on a faltering path of redemption)
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remind me how did Ember break a Baphomet altar with her tears again?
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>>3546522
>seems self serving on the writers part rather than something wrote to satisfy the actual players
Right, which is why they only edited it like 3 years after the game released, and after nonstop complaining about how bad her ending was
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guys who fuck arue with the intention to breed are the same guys who complain about too many tieflings. disgusting hypocritical miscegenators.
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>>3546662
Do you have a source for this
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>>3546662
Quite the opposite, the same people that complain about tieflings and race mixing are the ones most opposed to romancing her
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>>3546720
Well I welcome tieflings, as long as they're female
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>>3546426
>She gets fucked behind your back.
This is inside the game is just your cuck fantasy?
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>>3546802
She regularly goes to the brothel to kill people behind your back (you literally only find out because the owner tells you) and you know what she likes doing after her kills
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>>3546360
Just man up and fuck Daeran, he has best romance in the game.
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>PS:T had a succubus “romance” what if we did that
>devs fail WIS check
>players fail WIS check
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>>3546944
Arue's definitely cuter at least.
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>>3546960
love all succuwives
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>>3547017
*yawn*
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>>3547068
*i push my dick inside your mouth while you're yawning*
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>>3546522
>Believing that just because you got your shit together you´d be entitled to the same kind of happiness you´d have if you had not erred in the first place is the true fantasy.
It's a classical Christian redemption arc. Maybe it doesn't happen in the real world, but it's silly to get upset about it in a work of fiction when European literature has been doing them for about as long as there's been European literature.
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>>3544505
>>3544553
This, modern writers are out of touch with historical culture, mores, and living. They write degenerate liberalism because it's easier and gives less backlash. Women being whores is completely normalized now.
Give me an rpg with no female adventurers because contraception doesn't exist and that is taken to it's logical conclusion.
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>>3544505
because everyone in pathfinder (besides arue and the gay priest) is a fucking psychopath
i love that about it, it makes the characters unpredictable and fun
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>>3547270
>because everyone in pathfinder (besides arue and the gay priest) is a fucking psychopath
Not my beloved Cam-Cam, she’s sweet and innocent and she made me a little bone necklace to protect me and keep me safe even!
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>>3547270
>i love that about it, it makes the characters unpredictable and fun
>dude le everyone is le psycho so fun!
No, that's boring. Thankfully you're not right and there are only three psychos in this game, and one of them is based
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>>3547074
*I bite your micropenis off*
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>>3547283
She's too pure for this sinful Crusade.
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>>3545704
>children's
>plural
>didn't stop at one
Succ wife won in the end.
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>>3544773
Arue is pretty loyal
>BUT SHE HAD SEX
Do you not believe in redemption anon? Are you not a good christian?
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>>3544505

>modern CRPGs

>Viconia (Baldur's Gate series) had three husbands, multiple lovers, and prostituted herself on the surface.
>Jaheira (ditto) had a husband.
>Aerie (ditto) can dump you for Haer'Dalis.

>Raven (Arcanum) had a different human lover, and talks about him several times.

>Mira (Fallout 2) was the town bicycle.

>Every female character in VtM: Bloodlines is a slut.

>Aribeth (Neverwinter Nights) had a lover, and after the events of the game can end up in a threesome relationship with another man (the protagonist of the expansions).

I know this is bait, but you're such a dumb retard. "Incorruptible pure, untouched virgins that wouldn't even breathe another man's name" is a trope carried over from Japan, where they have to cater to otakus, the most socially retarded people on planet Earth.
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>>3548122
>Mira (Fallout 2) was the town bicycle.
Still mad they didn't implement levelling her so that you can take her as a real companion.
The mods doing that were unusably buggy IIRC.
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>>3545158
based
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>>3548122
Ravel Puzzlewell was always faithful to you.
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>>3545878
>If you can have a rpg with friends and enemies, even family members, why not romance?
You should only have enemies in RPGs.
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>>3546662
>You are special as the KC
>Arue is special
>Your kids are special
>vs. massive overuse of tiefs as commonplace standins for lgbtq fetishes and tiresome worn out racism allegories.
I don't see it as hypocritical at all.
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>>3546662
Also this dumb statement is funny since it is the inverse of the other dumb statements by the same people that are incapable of distinguishing real world political propaganda narrative from in-world lore politics.
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>>3548200
>i fuk used goods and breed tieflings
>nah, it's diffrunt wit me bcuz i specal snowflake
the real truth is that Arue wouldn't be able to enjoy sex ever again and would've already spawned a legion of brats. it's all a completely childish understanding of desire. it's probably one of the worst written romances i've seen in any rpg.
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>>3548208
>again
Arue has never enjoyed sex like humans do.
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>>3548234
Don't reply to him, his /pol/ mind is broken
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>>3548234
>so we have this succubus but wait she’s totally different! She’s not like the other ones! She’s a pure virgin trad waifu succubus and she was just waiting for you the whole time she didn’t mean any of that stuff she did honest
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>>3548252
>She’s a pure virgin trad waifu succubus and she was just waiting for you the whole time
Was she? She meets you in-game for the first time at the prison in act 2, decades after she first started her redemption. She had no idea who you were.
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>>3548254
I just find her character and plotline completely preposterous and silly and can’t understand why anyone takes it seriously. At least Camellia was interesting for one go-round, though I’d never do it again
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>>3548234
His brain is way too jaded and broken to understand something as basic as
>sex with random people for the sake of pure lust (also murder and torture) is bad
>sex with someone you love is good
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>>3548259
Is this the end point of “gobbos are people, too”? Succubi are people, too?
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>>3548261
Yes. In a way all demons are people, just evil ones.
Sorry Pathfinder isn't your based and redpilled setting where demons can't become good (let's pretend it's a Pathfinder only thing and that DnD hasn't done it either)
>gobbos
Kingmaker already had a goblin who literally dreamed of being a hero, a bit too late to complain. Unless it's only the cute demon girl that triggers you, that is.
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>>3548163
No she wasn't. Two of her incarnations had children.
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I seriously don't get why people hate Arue here. she is most inoffensive companion ever written and her romance is just vanilla with a good payoff if you do her true romance
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>>3548280
Mix of other waifufags, anti-romancefags, and /pol/tards that project onto her
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>>3548122
Tell me tripfag, which one of those tries to or outright cheats on you?
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>>3548281
>anti-romancefags
those i can understand because most of them are Sawyerfags and likes it when the NPC fuck someone other than you (Cassidy, that girl from outer worlds and the one in poe)
>/pol/tards
how so? haven't browsed /pol/ for 6 years but i don't remember them crying about "muh vriign wife"
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>>3548286
>haven't browsed /pol/ for 6 years but i don't remember them crying about "muh vriign wife"
lol
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>>3548259
>>3548252

Succubi in the PF setting don't get their energy from sex, but feeding upon a mortal's life force. It's the Lilithu, like Mingaho, who feed through sex.
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>>3548290
And...?
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>>3548261
Well, yeah. They should be. If good can be corrupted, symmetry dictates that evil can also be redeemed.
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>>3548261
>“gobbos are people, too”?
lol
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>>3548280
It's incredibly boring and she's written in a very fake way.
t. ascended vanillafag elder
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>>3548234
yes, she has. you have a narrow view of people.
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>>3548302
>you have a narrow view of people
Impressive lack of self awareness coming from mister "noooo she can't enjoy sex again because I said so!"
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>>3544505
You're playing a woman and you're surprised that a bisexual female companion is unsatisfied with lesbian sex?
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>>3548307
because of my conception of the state of her neural pathways, if demons are just people too. maybe "ever again" is hyperbolic, but it wouldn't just be "the power of love heals all".
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>>3548301
>she's written in a very fake way
how so?
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>>3548319
He's going to say that she manipulates you and doesn't really feel guilty, has been trying to force that meme for a while now
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How come I never see anyone cry about Regill just saying no to the bleaching with no explanation whatsoever
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>>3548319
Her dialogue lacks sincerity and depth of emotion. It's all very one note, like a repeated mantra and she hides her past far too much. I get the feeling the writer didn't really like her or feel her concept, Ember too. Maybe they don't actually believe in redemption.
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>>3548321
It's not about "her" it's about the presentation rather than intention. She's obviously just a character in a video game.
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>>3548302
That's literally something she says in the game. Demons don't have consensual sex, it's always about the power and control.
Maybe she can learn, though. Just like humans can develop weird fetishes.
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>>3548308
>You're playing a woman and you're surprised that a bisexual female companion is unsatisfied with lesbian sex?
Based and Cam-pilled
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>>3548329
Cam is unsatisfied with you so I wouldn't use her as an example
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>>3548328
uh, anon, people behave this way too. even with consent, it's very easy to see others as objects and sex as a form of masturbatory domination. see, being in touch with your shadow is how you redeem yourself, not through denial of your nature.
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>>3548325
>Her dialogue lacks sincerity and depth of emotion
again how? she is pretty straightforward in her dialogue as it can get and she is troubled by her demonic lust. see the horny prison interaction and the various camp dialogue she has
>she hides her past far too much
No she doesn't. She pretty much tells you all about the horriifying shit she did.
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>>3548328
>ummm akshually humans also have non-cconsensual sex
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>>3548324
I don't know enough about the setting to understand your issue. Isn't it that he doesn't want fear of death to control his behaviour?
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>>3548339
>I don't know enough about the setting
You don't need to, playing kingmaker is enough. All gnomes end up bleaching, they'll all succumb to it eventually, but Regill just goes "nope" in the aeon ending
Very inspirational "because the commander hasn't ordered me to die" and all that but, how does he do it, exactly? Jubilost needed a demigod's help to heal one gnome
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>>3548333
>not through denial of your nature.
maybe in some other dogshit pseudo setting. but in PF all outsiders are hard wired to their specific alignment if she tried to "being in touch with your shadow" lik you say than she is going to revert back to her old ways. only through doing good deeds and accepting love instead of lust in her heart that she becomes a good person. which is what happens if you complete her quest
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>>3548342
Oh, I never played Aeon or finished Kingmaker.
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>>3548342
Same way how Arue stays loyal to the commander and becomes a virgin succ trapped in a demonic city Big Lawful Cock
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>>3548344
yeah, this is utterly cartoonish and not interesting, a child's understanding of redemption. are demons people or not, can they change or not? would they want to? obviously they are mixing humanity into their portrayals of these "demons", so an understanding of humanity would be helpful to create interesting characters. didn't happen, instead it's "the power of love and butterflies and the correct dialogue choices compels you!"

really though, i can tell you just aren't capable or experienced enough to understand what i'm saying. carry on with your vapid waifu posting.
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>>3548350
>are demons people or not,
they are Chaotic Evil spirits born from CE humans souls turn into small muggets who coalesced into demons
>can they change or not?
maybe if they are willing and if someone happens to have Nocticula unique domain powers exclusive to her clerics to show them the error of their ways
>would they want to?
Most don't because again they are hard wired to be Chaotic and Evil.
>the correct dialogue choices compels you
You are describing ever RPG NPC dude. or do you think the player should have no agency to infulence NPC whatsoever
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>>3548348
Not the same, the bleaching is pretty much a disease with no cure, demons don't need to fuck, they do it because they're self-indulgent, but they don't need it to live
Someone with terminal cancer is fucked no matter what, a fatty only has his himself to blame if he eats mcdonald's every day
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>>3546166
>jews travelling across space and time to cuck self inserting loser gauls by putting dysfunctional romances in their creation stories
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>>3548342
Bleaching is caused from the dullness and repetition of life. Regill, under the True Aeon's influence, has such a burning sense of mission it makes monotony impossible for him.
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>>3548333
>being in touch with your shadow is how you redeem yourself
Why?
Do you think Les Miserables is cartoonish and uninteresting because Jean Valjean doesn't steal any more bread after he becomes mayor?
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>>3548424
That's the explanation given in the trickster ending, not the aeon one
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>>3548430
It's the same thing, only from a different angle. Regill witnessed first-hand that even the past can be corrected, and order brought about retroactively. He simply has such a mountain of positive reinforcement for his own ideology he deems nothing to be off the table, in terms of possibilities.

Plus, he's right - the Commander may come back. He literally can will himself back into existence in Pharasma's Court. That's the final reward and revelation for a True Aeon - the very fundamentals of reality are beneath him, and bend to his will.
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>>3548297
>pnp book
>nok-nok
what? isn't he an avellone creation?
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>>3548460
Kingmaker had a 2e rerelease, inspired by the game, and they changed some things, Tristian's plot with Nyrissa is gone for example (you can still use it if you want to, though) and the twins are demonspawn, not devilspawn. The Forefather is a Balor not a Deimavigga. And Nok-Nok can be changed to CN and eventually CG.
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I enjoyed Kingmaker but Nok Nok was fucking cringe
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>>3548428
>Do you think Les Miserables is cartoonish and uninteresting
yes
>because Jean Valjean doesn't steal any more bread after he becomes mayor
no
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>>3548460
Kingmaker got a 2e remake. some people are saying that they are looking to make a wrath 2e remake too
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>>3548468
You can't change his alignment and make him dump Lamashtu in the crpg, though?

Too bad, I tolerated it but it felt really wrong given the shit lamashtuism does.
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>>3548560
I get that every community gets judged by its worst members, but followers of Lamashtu aren't all that bad, even if some of their customs go against the usual conventions.
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>>3548560
Lamasthu is 4chancore if you haven't fuck monster girl/boys or just a fuck a dog than you don't belong her
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>>3548582
yeah, inflicting gross deformities and birth defects on children, very chill
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>>3548729
Lies and slander, Lamashtu's creed isn't about inflicting such.. afflictions, but embraching those that are already afflicted, giving home to those that would be feared or shunned anywhere else.
Well, that, and monster-fucking.
Lots and lots of monster-fucking.
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>>3548122

Isn´t there like a middle ground in between pure waifu and humongous western slut?
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>>3548782
>Isn´t there like a middle ground
No, you gotta pick an extreme or the opposite extreme and if you try as much as suggest the possibility of compromise, you're becoming enemy to both sides.
Welcome to every ideological discourse of the 21st century.
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Incredibly that the first 5 pages of the catalog are all shitty threads. Not a single one is good.
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which way, white man?
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>>3548468
>>3548559
>owlcat mogged paizo so hard they re-released kingmaker with their changes
Based
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>>3548790
Neither.
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>>3548795
>broke the 15 year curse
I kneel.
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>>3548794
They pretty much just added the companions from KM, while fixing retarded shit that Owlcat included such as everything related to Shelyn in Valerie's questline
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>>3548122
So, how experienced is this waifu?
captcha 84DPD
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>>3548828
>Nymph queen
>also seduced and destroyed tons of kings and kingdom
You already know the answer
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>>3548830
Those were probably more like camwhore->simp "seductions".
I'd say she actually slept around more before the curse.
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>>3548828
https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Count_Ranalc
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>>3548828
I don't get how people can romance her, she looks like shit.
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>>3548782
My point is that the weaboo retards treat it like an extreme.
>She had a boyfriend? She's a slut!
>She had a husband? Enjoy the whore's sloppy seconds!
>She was in love before you? You're a fucking cuck!

And so on. Outside of Mira and Viconia, none of those would fit the "slut" label in a rational discussion.
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>>3548867
>weaboo
/pol/tards
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>>3548870
Don't pretend the otaku and weaboos don't share that particular sentiment, although for different reasons - they're so socially stunted, and so low on self-esteem, they can't handle literally any """competition""" in their head - they automatically assume they would lose.

It's the same motivation that causes chink gachafags to have a meltdown when a waifu mentions a male character in a positive way ONCE, and start boycotting the game.
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>>3548857
That's your reason? And no the fact that she barely spends any time with you, and what little of it you get is her trying to kill you and being a cunt?
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>>3548881
>the fact that she barely spends any time with you, and what little of it you get is her trying to kill you and being a cunt
hey, it worked for Galfrey
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>>3548884
No it didn't, and it's funny because you actually do spend more time with Galfrey than with Nyrissa. Kingmaker takes place over several years, like four maybe? WotR, at most, will be a year, unless you start skipping days on purpose
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>not marrying the pvre trad virgin nymph
NGMI
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>>3548944
>Nyrissa
>virgin
lol, lmao
>>3548848
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>>3548945
She told me I was the only one and she would never lie to me
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>>3548881
No, my reason is she's not interesting and Valerie is my waifu. I'm just wondering what other people's reasons are for ignoring all that since there's no "hey but she's hot, bro" thing going on here. Is it just climbing Everest shit?
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>>3548950
Does she actually say that or are you making shit up? Because the game even references her relationship with that eldest, although just once
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>>3548950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIWonMAI8M8
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>>3548782
According to purityfags no. if a women as much as utter another mens name than she is used goods and loose slut. I am starting to think most of the purityfags are just third world mudslimes with how they view women relationship with anyone other than themselves
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>>3549022
Anon... the Stag Lord made a fancy bed just for the purpose of fucking her. The game doesn't explicitly say "oh she banged all those men she seduced" because it's assumed the implication is enough for a non-autist.

You think people like the Stag Lord or Irovetti would be satisfied with some honeyed words? They're called "nymphs", for God's sake, and are famous for one particular thing in most settings, Pathfinder included - being absolutely godly in bed. They're what the average coomer thinks of when hearing "succubus."
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>>3549163
You'd think these retards would make the correlation between Nymph and Nymphomaniac
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>>3548208
>i fuk used goods and breed tieflings
You're hung up on this because leftists have put mediocre sluts on a pedestal so high we all get nosebleeds from trying to see them anymore.
I get it.
>>nah, it's diffrunt wit me bcuz i specal snowflake
I am legitimately better than most here in several categories IRL, but this is about a video game though, where the KC is undeniably better than everyone else in the standard chosen one type plot.

>the real truth is that Arue wouldn't be able to enjoy sex ever again and would've already spawned a legion of brats. it's all a completely childish understanding of desire. it's probably one of the worst written romances i've seen in any rpg.
This is the /pol/ 'pair bonding is destroyed' narrative. Having seen celebrity romances torpedo themselves constantly and lived through some of what you might consider top shelf pussy imploding on me for probably similar reasons there is some weight to this.
However this is fiction, and the narrative of a redeemable demon is still compelling, because it is fantasy.
>Arue should have already spawned a legion of brats
Irredeemable whores do this IRL sure, but in the context of the game she's in prison, run by demons, and focused on a war. It's not implausible.
I don't find the romantic notion of dealing with an otherworldly being on her terms to be diminished by such nitpicking. I think the childish part is the inability to distinguish fiction from hangups you may have acquired from real life.
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>>3548350
I didn't see it as that trite because of Areelu talking about demons as literal reflections of humanity, with all of their passion but none of the restraint. Literal perfect CE portrayals.
It has potential for a decent fantasy cosmology if handled well.
They do lean into clownshows with simping for Desna etc. as you say but maybe that is from specific and vapid lgbtq writers, who knows. Maybe they don't have enough collective life experience to understand people outside of leftist cult stereotypes either, who knows.

It's not a total wash is all I'm saying. Other elements in PF rise to a better fantasy standard, gnome bleaching for one. Not a coincidence their better lore elements are farther removed from identity politics.
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>>3548848
>rANALc
what a funny name
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>>3548857
That's just artifact of the limited graphics quality of the game.
You have to put yourself into the MC's shoes.

>you go on a risky campaign in a harsh wilderness
>an exotic otherwordly beauty comes to you in dreams, a spark happens
>can't stop thinking about her
>yay you meet her again, seems she's real
>you could meet her once you win
>Damn, turns out she is an enemy! THE TRAGIC FATE
>But I can't stop liking her, even though all my buddies hate her with pashion
>If only things could be different
>Oh woe, oh the tragedy
>She wasn't really evil, it's the curse's fault
>much TrAgIc FATE
>FUCK even she admits she likes us
>
>UOOOOOOOH

It's simply peak romantic story.
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>>3549277
>That's just artifact of the limited graphics quality of the game.
no it isn't, the portrait is fucking ugly.
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Camellia is such a dumb ho.
>blah blah blah i kill people because the voices tell me to but i swear it's for a good cause lol

bitch barely finished the sentence before my monk punched her across the room
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>>3549283
>;artifact of game graphics quality
be it model/texture or portrait, same difference
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>>3549283
>the portrait
IIRC she has 36 charisma so it is almost as high as Nocty's.
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I assume the thorns on her body are due to the curse, so those will go away in my headcanon
Probably wouldn't be fun fucking very hard (or god forbid trying scissoring), else.
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>>3549292
a painted portrait isn't related to a game's graphics quality, more to its artstyle. besides pathfinder official art still has her looking like a retarded plant woman.
>>3549295
failure to model the stats through dialogue or presentation. bad rp from owlcat.
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>>3549283
Not just that but her tabletop artwork too
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>>3549283
Forgot pic lol
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>>3549339
Still would
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>>3549363
we don't expect standards from you, anon. no need to share.
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Just download that one portrait edit on Nexus
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>>3549368
>mods fix her
the korean way, huh?
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>>3549368
nah, game's soul is game's soul
unless it is Morrowind body models
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>>3549013
I mean, I think she has a beauty about her

But also because I simp for the character she presented herself as. I don't believe that was purely an act. There's good in her somewhere.
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>>3549277
This
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>>3549163
The entire point of both the Stag Lord and Irovetti is that they wanted to fuck Nyrissa, she literally promised them pussy but never actually gave it to them, Irovetti literally had to commission a statue of him fucking her to satisfy his fantasy
Impressive dedication to your shitposting though, I thought only Arue and Valerie got that treatment
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>>3549787
>I mean, I think she has a beauty about her
I mean, I think you are tasteless
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>>3549876
>Irovetti literally had to commission a statue of him fucking her to satisfy his fantasy
wait wait I need to see that, is that in the game
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>>3550142
It is. The statue is in his room in the palace.
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>>3550142
https://pathfinderkingmaker.fandom.com/wiki/Vulgar_Statuette
Okay, not "fucking" her but in a suggestive pose, but still
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>>3550148
>Man cannot remake himself without suffering, for he is both the sculptor, and the marble
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>>3550147
>>3550148
Ah, I think i just used it without looking at it.
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>>3550148
https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/rodins-the-kiss-outside-the-orangerie-paris--268104984037819765/
nice
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>>3550166
And they say Owlcat is completely uncultured



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