You are gay.

>>3644236
What's funny is that you are entirely right and yet the entire crusade is a hot mess with a few characters even pointing out that nepotism runs rampant and that the girlboss officers are fucking useless.

Anyhow, I also prefer kingmaker, the formula is better and even though you face new enemy types every chapter it definitely feels more cohesive.

>>3644242
The fact that every chapter was so different and often barely connected in Kingmaker is why I love it. It feels like each chapter is a new story with new characters, new themes, new enemies, new problems to solve, different tones etc. and each one is extremely unique and memorable because of that. Chapter 1 is relaxing/fun one, Chapter 2 is the comfy and adventerous one, Chapter 3 is the complex and varied one (seriously Season of Bloom is fucking awesome in so many ways, imo peak Pathfinder), Chapter 4 is the creepy one, Chapter 5 is the hype one, Chapter 6 is the badass one (you feel like a fucking badass chad taking on a rival king and seizing his crown), Chapter 7 is the fucking abomination that makes me want to smash my fucking computer scr-
Okay yeah that one is terrible
But other than that I just adore how varied, diverse and unpredictable Kingmaker was - I was NEVER bored with the setting, the enemy variety, the locales, the characters, or the quests. There was ALWAYS something new and unusual. Wrath is literally just the same thing over and over and over again - fighting demons and becoming a lame-ass OP anime protag. I like the QoL changes and genuinely cool experiences with how different the mythic paths are but holy shit is the story and setting fucking dogshit.

>>3644236
>fucking hell, is every single person of authority or strength a girl-boss
He doesn't know...

30 hours in, the only character I like is Daeran. That guy is very funny and the slightly based character so far.

>>3644236
I agree that Kingmaker is better writtern.
Like, each chapter and the way most companioes tie in may not seem obvious, but it works thematically and the dots at the end connect better.
There is also a more old school mythological spin on themes concerning hubris and punishment, kingship etc.

Wrath is more about cool moments and drama and most character arcs and development have nothing to do with teh crusade and it's themes (in kingmaker, they just live teher cause they ran away from elsewhere, so not being connected is fine). Granted, few games in recent years across genres fulfileld the power fanatsy aspect as well as some paths and I still like the companions at a similar ratio (like half of them, dislike 2, meh on the other 3).

But Kingmaker as a whole gives a better feeling of adventure and accomplishment and actual tension (time limits and kingdom development disasters).

As for the 'girl bosses', they fall off grace so quickly, it never registered as a compliment.

>>3644254
I like pretty much everything about Wrath except the crusade story. The story of "cartooninshly evil demons invading and doing cartoonishly evil things to people you don't know or about about for no reason and you have to stop them because you're the chosen one" is so unbelievably boring and uninteresting that it's the main reason why I don't play the game as much as I did Kingmaker (I played that game basically religiously, I got 400 hours on like 5 different playthroughs without even finishing it, I loved it).
The only thing that salvages Wrath's dogshit story for me is that I made my player-character Valerie from Kingmaker (same portrait, same alignment, same class, some gear, etc.) and in my head-canon the events of Wrath take place a few years after Kingmaker and King Ambrose (my player-character in Kingmaker) sent her to fight in the crusades as part of that minor kingdom event that refers to sending volunteers to help in the crusades, and me playing Valerie as basically a spin-off series from Kingmaker, with all of the crazy and dramatic events of that game, and her experiences and what she learnt from my Kingmaker protag in her mind influencing her decisions, makes Wrath vastly more satisfying and fun.
Fuck it, I might even do my next playthrough as another Kingmaker character.

>>3644236
owlcat pathfinder is dead unfortunately

>>3644294
Yeah I read that they aren't going to make any more of them? I guess it's gonna be 40K shit from now on? Or god forbid any original IP?

>>3644267
>in my head-canon the events of Wrath take place a few years after Kingmaker
It's actual canon, there's an event that references the baron and everything.

>>3644236

True, but consider the following. They are, all of them, terrible at their jobs and useless. From the orc lady to the goddess. The queen decisions are all questionable at best and she only gets worse. If it wasn´t for the PC, which i can only assume is a white man, cleaning after her there would be no crusade at all.

>>3644236
There's no point in learning these games since they are already dated, they are highly inaccurate representations of a dead ruleset, and the developer abandoned the IP.

>>3644299
Oh okay I didn't know that, that's cool

>>3644302
True, also has worse encounter design than C64/DOS games.

>>3644236
>was happy it's a pathfinder thread
>OP is a baiting retard
i hope you go to the bathroom when there is no toilet paper

>>3644299
>>3644305
Technically, worldwound happens in like year 3 or 4 of the kingmaker reign?

>>3644299
more like several, you can even ask aid from yourself in the stolen lands to receive the bokken potion to get +2 in all stats, in kingmaker as well you do receive aid from mendevian crusaders if you are lawful good I believe it was

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>>3644355
Yeah, it's the good event

>>3644236
It's just what you get when you adapt Paizo material, they're a explicitly pro LGBTQP company, so everyone who is anyone is gay or at least a woman.
In Kingmaker it's that every warrior companion is a woman, the slave nigger looking for revenge on his (obviously white lol) slave master, and for extra cringe, the female barbarina who rants about breaking the glass ceeling.
In WotR you have the transbian with the half orc paladin, the female nigger paladin, the all-female rulers of Mendev, and the gay-nigger cleric.
Owlcat did what they could with the material, making you have to ask the what they're doing to get to it, (but if you aren't curious about your companions and the lore what is the point of playing a RPG) but obviously it's going to be gay.
Games are still fun, but it's anoying to have these wierdos, who are so rare irl forced down your throat in a videogame for no reason.

>>3644379
>every warrior companion is a woman
Does this have to do with melee or armor?
Cause Eldritch Scion is a melee who can wear heavy armor eventually, knifemaster is melee oriented org and bow ranger is not a spellcaster.
Or is it about more traditional classes like fighter and barb?
>the all-female rulers of Mendev
It's one queen?

>>3644236
Kingmaker literally starts with a girlboss sending you to go take over the Stolen Lands. It's called Paizo, anon.

Mom owes me sex

>>3644382
Are you making some ebin point here?
The scenario module was written by the Siege of dragonspar woman.
Who during the production of that game, went on twitter to talk about how she hated gamers, and brag of how she was owning the chuds by making Baldurs gate gay...
It's not like these people pretend, or try to hide their ideological agenda. What you see is exactly what you think it is.
Some female english-majors best arguments for why everyone should be gay, and feminism is the best thing ever, also her triumphalism of having been air-dropped in to these companies push her agenda on people.
It is what it is, and doesn't make the games fundamentally bad, but it is a anoyance.

>>3644408
She wrote the first volume of wrath. So aside from character concepts and some plot hooks, the rest of the AP was not her work.
Also, the first half of my post concerns kingmaker, which she had nothing to do with it.
Plus, majority of companions in both games are not based on the APs and are owlcat originals, so whatever paizo direction exists does not apply uniformly to every character. Not even touching how some characters did not have any actual writing/direction in the AP or entirely different concept compared to how owlcat handled them (like Tartuccio in Kingmaker, what Galfrey or even Iomedae do in Wrath etc)

It feels like you are superimposing your issues with Paizo and culture wars in general to the games, rather than discussing the actual issues the games have .

>>3644236
They injected fantasy into every aspect. There is no greater fantasy than the absurdity that is every character developed by this company. They are all so bad and lame.
It's pretty fucking retarded when the "best" character is the bowlcut female paladin in Kingmaker.

>>3644408
>how she hated gamers, and brag of how she was owning the chuds by making Baldurs gate gay...
Didn't play that thing and I suspect it's shit because it was made by beamdog, but if the average /vrpg/ or /v/ poster is who she was angry about and shittign on, I think I'm gonna by on her side. Probably even if she turns out to be the worst kind of twitter troon.

>>3644416
>superimposing you issues and culture wars in general to the games, rather than discussing the actual issues the games have
isn't that 50% of internet gaming talk these days

>>3644521
Yes, and I hoped we could steer away from it, but there is too much /v/ dna.

>>3644416
When companies are literally hiring culture warriors, it kinda becomes part of the game discussion. This was the great failure of /v/'s rejection of the /pol/ bogeyman with regards to vidya, by closing your eyes to the problem, it doesn't just go away. The reaction is not the genesis.

>>3644416
The Op asked why WotR was so feminist, I answered. You're the one draging this on by nitpicking a clear case. Paizos influence on the games is why they're gay, and the woman in question is clearly relevant to that as well.
I brought up Kingmaker as well, because it makes sense in the context.
That is also why Rogue trader is less so.
(The only male party member in Rogue Trader with abnormal sexual preferences is a Dark eldar , which makes perfect sense in the games setting)
>>3644516
Yeah we do have you "gaymer" people here shilling for this garbage, I'm well aware. But you can drop the "fellow gamer" act already...

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>>3644516
>I think I'm gonna by on her side
i love how ignorance and spite for your peers propels you towards a contrarian smoothbrain reaction

>>3644416
>She wrote the first volume of wrath. So aside from character concepts and some plot hooks, the rest of the AP was not her work
Imagine expecting this shithole to know that, they just read here that she wrote everything and called it a day

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>>3644548
The fact that these people are here, shilling this "no actually the people complaing about what thet don't want in games are the problem" distraction narrative.
Is just as much proof of the effectivity of our critism of this stuff as Concords failiure or Toyotas rollback of "woke" advertisements.
If our complaints were not heard, and affecting the development studios and their approach to gaming, they would still be on tumblr laughing at us, not here trying to deconstruct our attacks with this wierd nitpicking and "fellow gamers I for one support the feminist trannies" nonsense.

>>3644556
She wrote most of the characters people mock, right?

>>3644564
Some, yes. Though some like Sosiel are nothing alike. In the AP he was too busy helping his drug addicted husband

>>3644569
So it's valid to say she had a substantial impact on the game since the first part of any story establishes a lot of characters.

>>3644571
>Irabeth and Anevia
>"a lot"
The cope of trying to blame Paizo is hilarious, as if Owlcat didn't change a lot of shit
Go ahead, look up how Hulrun is in the AP

>>3644571
Depends on what you mean 'substantial'.
The AP for most characters throws character hooks, not actual dialogue and development.
Aside from Avenia's troon issues and them being married, everything else involving them is not in the books. Like Irabeth being a fuck-up constantly and getting stuck like meat on hooks by ghouls or having the option to claw her face.

Wenduag is just a random enemy.
Hulrun , Staunton and many others are completely different. Areelu is nothing alike.
Heck, the plot hook for how you get mythic powers is nothing alike.

If the lesbians an existing and being included is substantial impact, then yes, you are right. But it ignores everything else written that barely follows the guidelines.

>>3644575
By substantial I mean she crafted the very bones of the plot.

>>3644663
Not really, no. Unless we go to extremely basic strokes of 'Deskari wants to Comsume Golarion, and wardstones fail, somebody do something'.
Other writers handled progression for the next 5 books, NPCs that are not Galfrey are irrelevant essentially later on, and owlcat ditches 90% of the way the plot progresses and points of interest anyway.

The very focus is different, since in the AP mythic power is a happy boost you get early on . And Areelu just opened the wound and wanted to watch the world burn, she is just boss fight you barely care about in the end.

Long story short, the influence of the AP is minimal after throwing the initial setting and some NPCs, and Owlcat develops them 95% differently.

>>3644927
She literally crafted the plot.

>>3644930
She did not, and even if she did, what does it matter? Do describe what's so pozzed about it
The plot and only the plot, not the characters

>>3644931
>and even if she did, what does it matter?
Stop trying to diminish her work, misogynist.

>>3644930
For starters, she is not the sole writer.
Secondly, the book she was part of handles the start of the AP (demons invade, wardtsone explodes, clean up kenambers. You have 5 books after that.
Finally, whoever wrote the majority of the plot and beats of the AP matters little, cause Owlcat disregards most of it.
>>3644933
Kek

>>3644934
Owlcat built everything they made on her work. They are incapable of content creation.

>>3644936
They would not have done Aravashnial dirty in that case. But sure, whatever.
Weird shitposting shtick to pick

>>3644940
I'm not shitposting. I'm aghast at how you are attempting to sweep Amber Scott's work under the rug in your quest to one-up people on a Japanese imageboard. It's really low-class stuff. Do you work at Owlcat?

>>3644944
No, I just hate women so much

>>3644947
I can tell, when you go to such lengths to spitefully deny a woman's foundational work simply to deny some other nerd a point in your culture wars, it's very obvious.

>>3644944
Do you realize that you're doing the exact opposite, pretending that she wrote literally everything, simply because you've been eternally buttmad at SoD?

>>3644956
No idea what you are talking about, I've never played Siege of Dragonspear, didn't care for the BG games. I think your culture war is confusing you.

>>3644236
It's depressing. It's all women. All the characters are terrible. Half orc lesbian paladin. A Queen is the leader. But at least they call her a queen. Meanwhile in Baldur's gate I have to listen to a women being called a Duke, while everyone is also gay. I want to give them money for making RPGs, but they can't make one without destroying the story. It's like the steal most of the system, build it on top of men's work, and inject a terrible story on top of it, but people will buy it because of the system, while trying to ignore the story. They get paid. And not enough people actually care. So it just keeps going.

>>3644296
>I guess it's gonna be 40K
I hope so. RT is pretty good.

>>3644294
Was it Paizo being assholes and insisting on a 2ed game or just slav retardation?Why wouldn’t they continue to make the games their fans actually want?

>>3644236
The worse problem is that the game falls apart into 'run the checklist of having all these buffs done before fights you can't possibly know are coming the first time'.

>>3644249
I only like the two evil characters I've met.

>>3645135
Money.

>>3645223
They make more money by selling less copies?

>>3645240
>by selling less copies?
source?

>>3645240
You're thinking too long term.
They're probably arguing with Owlcat about 0.5% of the profits going one way or the other and neither side will bend over that half a percent.

>>3645249
Sounds pretty likely.
Let's remember that Kingmaker was a kickstarter project from a untested developer, noone expected it to be be a big deal. Meanwhile Pathfinder was a niche D&D offshot with a small but dedicated fanbase and ~10% of tabletop marketshare.
Presumably Owlcat paid Paizo some peanuts license fee, 10-20k$ or whatever, and promised something like 10-15% of the first x years of sales (that's how these contracts work, and why you see games go on sale x months into their existance, because that's when all these contracts have run out and devs can take a larger share of sales.)
Anyway Paizo had no reason to believe this would be anything more than some free monney and maybe a bit of advetisement for their books.
Presumably there was some kind of contract for one game, with a option for another.
And Kingmakers botched launch and initial meandering sales were only alright, so WotR was greenlit on the same premise.
Then after Kingmaker was fixed and became the best CRPG on the market, word of mouth and forums carried long tail sales and Owlcat made out like bandits.
So when their fans ran to steam to mass pre-order WotR, Paizo got pissy and wanted a larger share of this unexpected success that was Pathfinder CRPGs.
Obviously the studio could just be sick of the setting and wanting to work with other creative assets and whatever, but it's probably mostly monney yeah.

>>3645135
Most definitely mix of that and owlcat wanting to branch out so they don't stuck as only the Pathfinder dev you know every studio a reputation but no one wants to be known for one thing+ they wouldn't be dependent on paizo

>>3645284
>noone
please stop

>>3645284
Sounds like CDPR getting the Witcher license for W1.

>>3644236
>a lot more authentic and believable and less cringe
Man.. there are demons, elves and dragons and strongy wimen broke you suspension of disbelif..?
Are you islamic or just skizo?

>>3645461
Yes, because those are all defined by rules. Unless someone comes along and says "women were all enchanted to be strong despite not having testosterone, and their brains were enhanced by this magical pact" then it will always be unrealistic. They never do that. Why? Because they actually believe it reflects reality.

>>3645491
These people aren't actually human and they aren't operating under our universe's laws, anon. A human being isn't going to be able to hurt a giant dragon with a sword, it's a simple matter of physics, no amount of physical strength would account for the lack of mass.

>>3645494
a rat can kill a human irl

>>3644236
Eventually you'll realize it doesn't matter, because they are all girl-fuckups instead.

>>3645497
Exactly, that's how weak humans are. They'd have no chance against monsters without copious use of technology and magic. Every male human fighter who fights monsters is completely unrealistic.
>>3645498
Can you rephrase this? I have no idea what you are saying.

>>3645501
you misunderstood, if a rat can kill a human then a human can kill a dragon, you said the difference in mass is insurmountable but that's just not the case, weaponless humans have killed larger animals such as bears, and humans with primitive weapons like spears have killed enormous animals such as elephants, so real life examples disagree with you in both directions

>>3645508
>you misunderstood, if a rat can kill a human then a human can kill a dragon
No, humans are so weak that even a rat can kill them in certain circumstances. A dragon is a giant fire breathing intelligent creature that can fly and use magic.
>weaponless humans have killed larger animals such as bears, and humans with primitive weapons like spears have killed enormous animals such as elephants
These are dumb animals, dragons are highly intelligent, and these rare cases have extenuating circumstances, in games people go after dragons as if they expect to win. If you tried to fight a guy 10x your size he'd just swat you into the next time zone. You aren't getting over that with a spear.

You are trying to argue against me, but are actually proving my point. Thanks.

>>3645514
i don't think your point is proven when you have to backpedal from weakness and mass and then move goalposts to magic and intelligence

It's a sad state of affairs when /v/ has more on-topic Pathfinder threads than this board

>>3644379
>In Kingmaker it's that every warrior companion is a woman,
They want you to RP a 19 STR human male fighter.

>>3645516
Anon, you talked about people killing bears barehanded, as if that was a good point. I finished my post talking about mass, you ain't slaying a giant with a spear, anon, and I didn't even get into the difference between an elephant's hide and a dragon's scales. The point is that the difference between men and women is minuscule compared to the difference between men and dragons or giants, so if something is making up that difference, allowing men to fight dragons, it stands to reason it would allow women as well.

>>3645523
>you ain't slaying a giant with a spear
Ok, Polyphemus

>>3645532
Still alive, Odycuck.

>>3645501
>is every single person of authority or strength a girl-boss?
>Eventually you'll realize it doesn't matter, because they are all girl-fuckups instead.
You can usually countermand them, maybe even kill them. The disrespect you can give to the Queen for example is amazing.

>>3645523
humans have literally hunted mammoths to extinction with spears, retard, lmao

>>3645566
By driving them into a canyon and attacking them from above. Traps are the kill, not spears. Besides that, the whole Ice Age ending thing was more impactful. I love being called retard by actual retards, roflcopter.

>>3645578
>steppe animals were hunted to extinction by the extensive use of steep canyons
really makes you think

>>3645581
>engaging troll bots

>>3645491
There is no testosterone. You really think dnd people have cells and shit? It all works on life-force and other mystical mumbo jumbo. Your elementary understanding of biology is worthless here.

>>3645588
Blah blah blah emasculating horseshit.

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>>3644267
>The story of "cartooninshly evil demons invading and doing cartoonishly evil things to people you don't know or about about for no reason and you have to stop them because you're the chosen one" is so unbelievably boring and uninteresting
I for instance love it mostly because of that. No fucking fluff, just "have this army and fuck up demons that would destroy the world if we didn't barely contain them" is peak fantasy kino. Whole Best Mom shit around it basically being self-fulfilling prophecy is okay, but when main menu music hits and you just go fuck up cartoonish evil is exhilarating with how honest it is. I love MotB or KotOR 2 how it delves into metaphysical stuff, but just vanquishing evil for the sake of it makes me feel very good.

>>3645581
>duh, what be glaciers
lol

>>3645590
The inability to engage in intelligent discussion isn't masculine, child.

>>3645665
they aren't the grassy and shrubby tundra where the mammoths lived, dummy

>>3645674
You do know they just dug pits, right, brainlet? You gonna pit trap a dragon?

This whole "women should be as stonk as men because monsters are stronger than men so men and women are basically the same" is like a retard took the "...but you can't accept a BMW 530i with heated leather seats in your fantasy, bigot?" meme seriously

>>3645680
the only pit that was dug here is the one in your brain

>>3645681
My question is why does this make you people shit and piss your pants so much. Every single fucking video game has female characters that are on equal footing as men, but it's a problem when le hecking Pathfinder does it? Where is the meltie over Tifa being a martial artist with superhuman strength?

>>3645681
No, the point is that realistically men shouldn't be able to slay dragons with swords, like yeah, women in the real world are weak and have grip strength issues and would have trouble facing men and that's a problem, but men aren't going to use those natural advantages to beat a fucking dragon the size of a large house, so there must be something else going on here and these people aren't human beings. You have no direct argument to this.

>>3645683
Go on, google it, little brainlet. I'll wait.

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>>3645686
wow you look really stupid here

>>3645694
I accept your concession.

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>>3645622
>"have this army and fuck up demons that would destroy the world if we didn't barely contain them" is peak fantasy kino
My brother, from another mother.

>>3645622
The problem is it doesn't really make sense.
If Good is so weak and pathetic why hasn't evil done it already?

>>3644267
Can someone explain to me how evil exists in a world that has a demonstrably afterlife in HELL? In D&D when you fuck a child in the ass you are LITERALLY going to the Abyss.

I realize that D&D is basically American Christfag coping with a silent god but it doesn't make any sense.

>>3646274
>"Stop blaming your own incompetence on cosmic forces. The side of good isn't weak, it's you."
>Regil

>>3646311
>he says while disliking two of the three good paths, and only being neutral towards angel because it's lawful, but the good part is bad

>>3646312
Disliking them personally does not mean he considers them weak.

>>3646295
People did do evil in real life even when the vast majority of the population still believed in hell.Some fucked up serial killer may know he is going to be punished but still decide to have as much fun as he can in life.Worshipers of evil deities in Pathfinder are also usually told that they will be given preferential treatment.Which can actually be true if they are deserving enough.
>Petitioners who please a deity or another powerful outsider can be granted rewards—the most common such reward manifests as a transformation into a different outsider, such as an archon, azata, demon, or devil, depending upon the petitioner’s alignment.
It actually happens to Regil and Greybor(if he signs the pact) during the devil path.The player turns them into devils that serve them so they never get to experience the endless torture and destruction of their sense of self in hell.Most of the souls that go to the Abyss just turn into mindless larvae that eventually merge into demons so they don't get punished at all and favored souls can be rewarded by their patrons just like in hell .Especially powerful souls can even retain their sense of self and turn into demons by themselves.Abaddon is more fucked up since the daemons just hunt and eat souls,but most only survive for a few hours so it's not like they have to fear eternal damnation.The souls that do manage to survive can turn into daemons themself and any proper worshiper would try to become undead before allowing themself to die and be devoured or would try to make some kind of deal in exchange for preferential treatment.

>>3646295
there is such a thing as shortsightedness and self-indulgent hedonism. In real life when you shoot up heroin you are basically condemning yourself to hell on earth, but people still do it. likewise, he who fucks a child in the ass may care no more for the well being of his future self than he does for that of the child.

>>3644554
>contrarian smoothbrain reaction
that's precisely the basis of 95% hateposting about any game, around here.
Except EE version of BG1 tho, bumdog raped the whole game hard and it's a crime.

I'm just not the cookiecutter anon that cumslurps the stupid culture wars.

>>3644236
>girlboss
>wotr
Lol, Lmao, all the women are incompetent as fuck hiding behind a veneer of competence, the half-orc gets mindbroken by the zombies/gargoyles and you have to deal with her zoning out and being useless for an act while regill does all the heavy lifting, galfrey is a fucking travesty of a ruler who gets jealous that your actually winning the crusade and banishes you to the abyss and royally fucks up the crusade, and deletes your doomstacks. Ioemadae has to beg you to pretty please go legend and not use your mythic powers while nocticula similarly begs you to take her fucking profane """"gift"""" because she wants to use you like a pawn and can't do SHIT when you take the crystals for yourself.

This board used to be really comfy but now it's being ruined by obnoxious culture warriors. Is it because bg3 helped idiots discover rpgs?

>>3647209
You already took over and ruined a whole general, go there and be "comfy".

>>3645685
Men are depicted in fantasy as being capable of conquering giants and dragons because that's the traditional view of masculinity (strength, diligence, honor etc.) you pilpuling jew. Ironic you keep touting "muh realism" when you ignore the symbolic meaning entirely, which is more at stake than making concessions to real life physics.

>>3647210
>let us ruin this board our own way
OK?

>>3647209
just the usual increased pressure from /pol/tards during election years
i pray they go away after, these boards are too slow for their tastes usually

>>3647222
The greatest strength of men is intelligence, which you lack. I'm not the one who brought up reality, this is called an extrapolation of another person's thoughts.

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>>3644249
Isn't it amusing that character-wise:
>best boys
Daeran and Regill
>best girls
Camellia and Wenduag

Hmm...I think I'm seeing a pattern here.
>inb4 Arue
Arue is pure waifubait. For good or bad.

>>3647305
I like Woljif. Decently written young punk

>>3647222
And fantasy had strong female fighters since at least Eowin and Red Sonia. Mythology since amazons. You are brown and know nothing. Retvrn to eating cow manure.

>>3647305
sex with arue would feel amazing because she is literally made for it
i would not marry anyone in wrath because they are all insane

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>>3644300
>white male
lol no, here is the official adventure path art

>>3647328
>3 npcs that assist the party
?

>>3644267
you're not the chosen one, you are not chosen for shit in wrath
you are just the one areelu put her son/daughter in, that's all

>>3647332
Chosen by her.So a chosen one.

>>3647305
Wendog and Camellia are trash. Seeing their fans actually try to compare them with Regill is always hilarious.

>>3647428
Wendy is trash but Cam-Cam is very interesting, once.

>>3647305
>I think I'm seeing a pattern here
That you're an edgelord who likes evil characters?

>>3647305
Very close, best girls are actually ember and wenduag

>>3647305
Daeran isn't even evil though. He does nothing evil aligned all game. I'm not sure why he has the alignment.

>>3647777
giving in to evil is evil

>>3647777
he's an extremely selfish prick that joins the crusade to fuck around and tries to ditch when its starts to go full swing but gets caught up in it because galfrey makes him stay with a bullshit position. also The other It is neat though how he is a degenerate but the demons whole nother class of degnerate, and he says as much. The ONLY person he's nice to is ember because she would never react to provocations and always sees the best in people, thus making it boring and useless to try to poke and prod at her like he does anyone else.

>>3647783
Neutral Evil actively betrays and abuses others for personal gain. Being a degenerate isn't evil as per the D&D alignment system.
Yes, he's possessed, but he didn't seek it out. The entity possessed him as a small child. And it doesn't dominate him or anything.

>>3647787
>Neutral Evil actively betrays and abuses others for personal gain
like letting yourself be controlled by an evil murderous entity who harms people around you in order to remain living?

>>3647795
lets be fair though, how many kids do you know that would self sacrifice themselves to stop an eldritch horror from manifesting into our reality

>>3647803
is he still a kid? frontal lobes develop.

>>3647804
okay, how many people do you know that would willingly an hero to stop the eldritch being that they are now tethered to because of a deal they made with it as a kid no not get murderfucked by demons, dude's been walking on eggshells his entire life while pretending everything is good and dandy.

>>3647806
not many, but they exist, it is true that most people are neutral evil nowadays, with cowardice and fear of oblivion drilled into them. it is what it is though, and it's even more evil in a world that has an afterlife.

>>3644236
>girlbosses
>Galfrey who could only hold back demons thanks to literal divine intervention and took all the credit herself, and after you achieve more in months than she has in decades she immediately exiles you to the Abyss and then proceeds to undo everything you achieved
>Nocticula, who seethes endlessly when you simply say "no" to her clearly trapped offer and a little girl who tells her that her city is a dump and she is a fucking miserable clown makes her do a complete 180 on her alignment
>Areelu, whose whole motivation for creating the Worldwound was a woman moment to end all woman moments

>>3648074
forgot
>Irabeth, the halforc bulldyke and also your top lieutenant, that broke down crying in front of your command staff because demons are scawwy

>>3648086
Seeing her run away at the siege really left me flabbergasted.

>>3648108
Honestly the demon reaction to it alone makes the path worth it.

>>3648117
You are technically not on any path yet, but yeah. I pick that every time now

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>playing on Core
>not min-maxing, but also thoughtful of how I build my characters
>fight Vellexia with my big, bad Lich (to be) MC
>get hit by a Baleful Polymorph of a ridiculous DC near the start of the fight (and it kept happening because I restarted like 3 times)
>ok, I guess it's Daeran's Remove Curse time
>over 30 DC to remove
>Daeran fails, pretty predictably so
>Vellexia targets him next with BP
>succeeds
>ohfuckgreat.gif
>have to carefully maneuver Daeran near Seelah at the frontline as a last resort of Remove Curse
>of course she fails also
>say fuck it and essentially cheese the fight
>my semi-Lich MC cucked in the corner spamming light of the angels like a spastic
>win somehow
>now I have to get a scroll or Ember to cast BPs with less DC on my chars just to bring them back

>much epic fight, many good game design Owlcat

>>3648265
>light of the angels
>when fighting Vellexia
What?Have you considered using some spell you fucking moron?What do you think a lich is?

>>3648401
Dude, have you finished school? I said my character was BP'd.

>>3648819
You shouldn’t even be in that position you dumbass.Use Invisibility + mind blank you or if you can’t cast it just reload and send in another character first to take the spell.Anyway if your saves are so low that you constantly fail it you’re doing something wrong.Btw the best way to get rid of bp is killing and raising the character and yes that works for the mc as well.

>>3648888
what a retarded response.

>>3645491
cope
>>3645494
yeah, you never hear these mouthbreathers complain about the bullshit that is say, monk unarmed fighting in DnD/PF

>>3645578
>the whole Ice Age ending thing was more impactful
this
other megafauna was likely exterminated by humans (american continent for example), but they indeed used tactics like to chase herds off cliffs or into traps and stuff like that, not muh testosterone I could fist-fight lion masculine spear skillz

>>3645686
you wouldn't take a fuming 4channer's opinion over what scientists think, anon?

>>3647305
>Regill
one of the ones that will turn on you

>>3648108
she only does it if you fuck up
bitch got tortured and saw her comrades got turned into ghouls and eat each others, yet will fight one, you only need to encourage her with a nice word or two, that's not nearly terrible.
She can even do a "you go ahead, I will stop them here" moment and die protecting stuff for you in act 5 under some circumstances.

>>3648265
IMHO, such fights are most fun when you win some characters barely staying alive and trying to keep them safe in ways like this towards the end, having to use backup charactes/means to kill the boss.
Getting lucky with initial mythic charge+pounce and cleaning up stuff so much the rest is easy is nice and all, but this is more enjoyable in the end.

>>3648994
Lol seethe more.Why even play the game on core if you don't understand the rules?

>>3649009
Meanwhile Hulrun protects the banner without dying

>>3649025
>Lol
lol

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>>3649027
The dyke is not even at the same level as Hulrun anon, don't bring him into this.

>>3649047
Well yeah, just pointing out who is worthy of his post and who is not.

>He is still seething
ngmi

>>3644254
These dogshit games were not "written" at all for the mongoloid scum that made them barely speak english. ONE game was written well and you *know* knot-know? What is it.

>>3649077
I admit that I am not sure what you are talking about

>>3649187
>mongoloid scum
>barely speak english
i think he was being ironic and posting gibberish

how the fuck do I deal with the mandaroga swarms in kingmaker? if one touches my MC I have a 50% chance of dying instantly since hes a strengthlet.

>>3644236
i played this game for like 90 minutes. here's my wotr journey
>buy game
>play it
>make my character
>"oh man this game is dank af"
>start the prologue
>crack knuckles and get ready for a night of gaming
>meet my girlboss companions
>nope.jpg
>uninstall

>>3649970
AOE and fire damage.Horrid Wilting will also deal extra damage.You aren't meant to fight them in melee unless you are immune to ability damage.

>>3649047
>Hulrunbros are literal redditors

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>>3649027
>hurlun
you mean staunton vhane the fvcking defender of drezen?

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>>3646353
This is true. They don't care what happens with anyone else, including their future selves.

>>3646353
Until he's smack right dab in the middle of chaos hell and starts having sanity slippage because he knows how absolutely fucked he is, and starts having tea parties with rocks Cough daeran cough

>>3649027
Yeah but did he protecc pussy for you? No.

>>3649027
That said, obviously you keep him alive and mediate peace with him.
>>3649047
Even as Azata. Azata is chaotic good, emphasis good, you dummond.

>>3644554
Honestly, I agree with anon. I bet most of you unwashed neckbeards look worse and more ridiculous if we took a picture of you too. The fact is that you try and post her picture because it's unflattering and she doesn't look amazing. As if that is a good argument, although we all know that you've never had any intentions of making a real argument in the first place. It's hard not to conclude that a lot of you vocal retards are not actually retarded. Her writing is not that great, but looking around that's probably more a symptom of the times and our culture that's over-saturated with trashy media.
So, if the choices are someone that writes trash and thinks you're retarded, versus someone that writes trash and doesn't say you're retarded, then I'm going to pick the former.

>>3650059
Or perhaps it's a far too obvious choice.
>skyisbluebros are redditors
Oh no.

>>3650286
>I champion a stranger who writes trash because she calls out white male heteronormative patriarchy!
What a shocker.

>>3650093
Daerans soul wouldn’t go the to Abyss but to Abaddon. Which means that his plan for resurrection shouldn’t even work unless judgment takes over a year or he manages to avoid being eaten for a long time.

>>3650059
The bibles some redditors made trying to desperately justify everything about Hulrun make Wendutards trying to convince you that it's morally good to pick her over Lann look tame by comparison
Lawtard simping is one hell of a drug

>>3650381
He is right though.Without Hulrun the city would have fallen decades earlier.I think the original AP even outright said it.

>>3650381
yeah the latter is dumb, the point of taking Wenduag is to correct her from being evil because she has Nyrissa's voice.
The former sounds dumb too, obviously dude has huge amounts of blood on his hands.

But, those were all misguided acts made with good intentions. And not hove even if he is lawful and kinda fanatical, he doesn't doubt you if you prove yourself with the light of heaven, even if you are chaotic good, defend the desnans, turn into azata. He still follows you and helps. That's rather telling that dude acts based on what he perceives as his duty or things that must be done.

You even have option to let Minagho and Chivarro go giving them chance, if you play azata. So obbviously you are not going to just go mad vigilante and kill Hulrun. IIRC he is said to soften in the ending slide, which proves this point.

Compare that to say, Regill, who canonically has only lawful evil intentions (also betrays). Still shallow people call him a bro.

We interrupt your girl boss debate to actually talk about the game. I have some equipment questions. The item in question is the bastard sword of hope. The description reads as follows

>Whenever the wielder of this +2 mithral bastard sword confirms a critical hit with it, it restores 1d8+5 hp to the wielder.

But it doesn´t specify how that healing works mechanically. I´m assuming that what the sword does is cast cure light wounds, which is a touch healing spell. Now, i´ve found a ring that says that whenever you heal using using a touch spell the spell is supposed to heal an additional 1d6. My question is if there will be some kind of synergy between these two items.

Similarly i have some boots that put the character under the constant effects of greater heroism (which provide morale bonuses) and a ring that doubles morale bonuses. That´s kind of straightforward and should technically work.

>>3650458
>hove
I don't think it's going to be a touch spell and trigger. There is more healing effects, it will likely just give you the hitpoints, not proccing as a spell. BTW, Ember's cure spells don't trigger that ring's effect either maybe witch is different and not casting them via touches?

>>3650458
Good news: The boots on their own definitely work and the ring definitely doubels morale bonuses.
Not just the ones from spells like heroism, even equipment ones like that helemet that gives morale bonuses to AC or abilities Like Reg's.
I do not think I ever put them together on the same character, but it should work

2 questions:
Did WoTR finished patching/DLC? I wanted to make 3rd playthrough and was waiting for that

second whats the DLC playing order?

>>3650739
In theory, they plan to do more updates beyond hotfixing, but they come out at a slow pace now and no planned big dlc.

As for the DLC:
a) Through the Ashes and Lord of nothing are standalone and should be played before an actual run (technically, the game asks you to load a complete save at certain points, the way Varnhold worked for kingmaker)
b) Last Sarkorian and Dance of Masks are only for the main campaign. Last Sarkorian has a new character and his questline starting from chapter 1, Dance of Masks is is for act 5.
c)Midnight isles has standalone and integrated version. The integrated version wants you to do predetermiined island traversal at acts 3, 4 and 5.
d) Inevitable excess is standalone. You can start a new run or load an endgame Treshold save which will carry the team set-up and some decisions. Beating it unlocks a unique ability for a new run and depending on whetehr you beat a superboss and what difficulty, extra items (some busted) through random portals in some locations.
Also, it's ASS

>>3650017
Its such a pain in the ass since they can get across the entire room. I guess I am supposed to have tristian with quicken fireball + something like flame storm to do them all. Its this one set of swarms (since in a narrow place house edge of time) thats kicking my ass. Such frustrating design.

>>3650458
You always have to test it out to find out, because nothing is ever clear mechnically.

it is absolutely criminal that owlcat didn't officially include some type of autobuff.

Playing one run with it has made it impossible to go back to spend five real life minutes buffing the party every map. Multiple times even before the 24 hour spell mythic feat.

>>3650910
I don't know if Owlcat thinks this, but I've heard of other developers saying these kinds of QoL features are "unbalanced" and that it's good to create "friction" in your game. By friction they mean making things annoying enough that players don't consider it too easy and get bored or something. So to justify the power of the buffing they make it annoying to do. It's retardation, I know. In Owlcat's case it could be they simply aren't able to easily implement it in a non-buggy way and are always being driven to create new content to sell instead.

>>3650918
They have aped other mods in general, like the inventory management, mount in toolbar, heck, even turn based.

>>3650942
Then it could be they actually consider it too powerful and want the annoyance of clicking to be the cost of the power of buffing. They are slavs, so that kind of cucked mindset wouldn't be unusual.

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Doing Lich playthrough on just core bros. How do I build Staunton as a pure Warpriest? I will give him a scythe instead of glaive because the latter will mostly go to Wendy. Also extra crit damage.

Do I go down the cleave -> cleaving finish -> etc line with feats and mythic?
Or instead the vital strike one?

>>3650951
Staunton is kinda garbo but lich can solo the game so it doesn't really matter too much. I'd pick mythic vital over cleave but regular old improved cleave is still good. Just make sure to grab last stand because he's going to be made of paper.

>>3650951
Whatever you do, give him reach weapon and lunge cause he crumbles like wet tissue.His AB sucks ass in general and he won't be in premium position to do full round attacks anyway. His job will be mostly supplementary buffs, outflank and kill annoying secondary threats like casters

>>3650953
>>3650956
I figure I'll try to grab both in order for cleaving finish to kick off when I vital strike someone. Also yes, Staunton definately will work more as a flanker than a frontliner.

>>3650384
and that's a prefect example of lawful evil, i don't hate hulrul at all but he is overstepping his boundaries in the game when you meet him and there is a sadistic side to him

>>3650951
honestly i dunno, when i played lich i was a sorc lich and was nuking shit in 1 turn that my companions basicaly existed just for moral support kek

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>want to do a proper evil playthrough (not even CE murderhobo, just evil)
>get to Arue's parts of her quest
>don't have the stomach to shut her down
>go along with it
>essentially help her find her dream, no sugarcoating it
>feel all warm and happy inside
>want to do a non-evil playthrough now

Every. Time.
Why am I such a simp for moe waifubait?

>>3651239
goodness of the soul fighting to reach the light

>>3651239
You ARE playing demon right?

>>3651239
Go back to /crpgg/ man. This shit is super duper faggy and gay. Why WotR fans the Western equivalent of persona tards? This is so fucking weird.

I'd like to play this game, can someone buy it for me?

>>3650998
No a lawful evil character would do these things for his own gain.Hulrun did them because he thought that they were necessary.
>>3651239
Good aligned demons are stupid.She is made from evil souls and the essence of the abyss.She is evil because that is her nature and she is only trying to be good because Desna brainwashed her.If she really was good she wouldn't return to her old ways just because the commander said so.

>>3651304
>If she really was good she wouldn't return to her old ways just because the commander said so
I know it's pointless to reply to someone like you but, she goes back to her old ways only after one specific point in her questline where her self esteem hits rock bottom, and the person she trusts the most and had her back up until that point bluntly tells her she'll never succeed

>>3651300
Why not pirate it.
Like, even gog version is readily available

>>3651300
sure, drop your phone#, address, steam account, email, and a photo id.

>>3651304
>her connection with the goddess got cut
>her only chance of redemption (according to her) spat in her face and tried to kill her out of spite
>got so emoionally stressed she burned good memories of her time with you
>her best friend/admirer tells her that she will never be good and will always remain a demon during all this.
If i was a bloodthirsty demon i too would have returned to my old way

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>>3651239
I mean, I play evil similarly too, I'll gladly tell seelah,soseil and galfrey to shove it where the sun don't shine but I'm always nice to ember, arue, woljif and daeran, and I don't let the mongrels go full retard when i recruit wenduag. even if part of the reason I'm nice to arue is because evil her won't join a devil

>>3651239
Maybe you just have to accept that deep down you're a good person.

>>3651239
I'm still waiting for a game where you can be evil without feeling guilty. Something among the dark elf or demons perhaps? Where everyone is a cunt and fucking them over doesn't feel bad.

>>3653172
Sounds like you don’t actually want to play an evil character.

>>3651308
So she would never be able to succeed on her own.

>>3653172
Like torturing people who abuse their kids?

>>3653172
Metaphor

I’m playing Kingmaker for the first time and Kanerah just told me that she doesn’t like how I’m friendly with Nyrissa and doesn’t want to “share me” with her. I haven’t picked any overtly romantic dialogue options with Nyrissa and just acted sympathetic, but have I ruined my romance with the twins?

>>3653410
Yes, and you're romancing Nyrissa which by proxy means you're doing the secret ending
suck it up or reload
or use bag of tricks to romance both

>>3653413
Oh, well if there’s a secret ending attached to Nyrissa, I guess I’m going for that. Fucking bold to make the secret ending tied to a non-companion romance though.

>>3653418
>robbing himself of tiefling pussy
Go to the experimental section of bag of tricks and modify the love points of the characters
When you find Kanerah, reduce Nyrissa's points to zero, so at that point her romance won't be active, then restore them after committing to a relationship with Kanerah
Once you face Nyrissa, do the same with Kanerah (and Kalikke if you're romancing her too)
That way you romance all of them and don't lose on the secret ending

>>3653418
based salad >everything else

>>3653419
Fuck it, that’s exactly what I’m going to do, thanks for the guide anon. You know, I usually don’t go for tieflings, but romancing twins is funny (and also hot), and Octavia and Valerie don’t really appeal to me.

What difficulty is equivalent to Hard if playing without mounts? Honestly the mount spam and particularly needing to build a party around buffing all the damn things is kind of keeping me from another replay. On the other hand, going on foot sucks ass until you get pounce because you get to waste your first turn moving to the enemy (they then get to use all their attacks on you if you went first).

>>3653432
Mounts are not necessary, depending on how you build a party in the first place. They phase out of being extra damage quickly and only a couple can be actually tanky for higher difficulties for non trash mobs, so they serve for outflank , transportation and maybe trips.
There is likely a non mount build that does the thing you want from a character better overall.

You can have your characters initiate battle with charges to get a surprise round or with Dimension door to start next to critical targets. Or just start battle with good CC and mop up.


Long story short, mounts can help builds/companions become a bit more viable but do not change the difficulty unless we talk on the level of casuals.And if you want to actually save time on buffing, you set up bubblebuffs instead of taking out 1 or 2 buff targets.

>>3653445
The main pain point with buffing isn't tedium, I do use bubblebuffs. It is needing a party comp that can support buffing so many damn party members. Feels restrictive.
Also, remember that act 3 is by far the longest act, and even in act 4 mount damage is definitely relevant. Outflank and free tripping is huge damage increases.

I'm thinking that maybe just playing a more caster focused party with pouncing melee would feel good.

>>3653455
You'd have at least 1 full divine and 1 full arcane caster regardless on most comps.
I finished a hard run very recently without constant access to haste from a caster since I switched comps (only having scrolls for bosses if I did not bring Nenio/woljif) for example.
And unless you want to have a super character for unfair, you do not need to force a skald or Brown fur or alchemist and such who would do more specific targeted buffs.
The only mounted characters where Seelah (paladin 12/ghost rider 8) and greybour with bosmuth to carry his fat ass.
It helps that my MC could carry tanking duty by himself as Drunken Master.

Being a cc caster yourself with Seelah, Ember or Daeran turned court poet would be extremely effective, but you 'd need some planning on how to get through act 1 and act 2 gargoyles and undead.

>>3653460
Would you though? Even on hard I found a full caster usually passing their turn because whats the point of wasting a spell when the bard already full CC'd everything and the mounted goon squad is going to go around mopping them up in a single turn each? Not having the goon squad would allow for full casters to shine I think.

>>3653540
Meant full arcane caster specifically was passing.

>>3653543
The jump to unfair and their saves is significant, especially if you want to beat saves they are good a hence court poet for further boost.

Yah, but those girl-bosses are supposed to be your wives, that's the big thing.

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>>3644244
THIS. EoT.

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>deadly archer
>even at her current state you can imagine her being quite the looker when alive
>unashamed leg/footslut
>proud and faithful priestess of Erastil - aka the Good Based Trad God (pre 2E)

Imagine how much of a wife-material Delamere would have been in life.

>>3656830
The real chad lich companion is Kerstoglyr

great game. finished it 2 times.
once as human 10 Armiger/10 hellknight Aeon-> devil before they expanded devil path:
It was fun really turned my fighter into gish lite as i could use hellfire ray for ranged attacks but overall it was letdown as hellknight and devil have too many things that stack. Immunity to Fire (already had this as hellknight) attacks count as lawful and evil (already could do it as hellknight) resistance to poison (nice but by default you already have 2-3 healers to choose from). residuals from Aeon was nice though all immunities etc. run was great for roleplay but if i knew what i would get out of it, being hellknight signifier be better options as fire immunity and lawful/evil weapon property be something that signifier doesn't have.
2nd playthrough was aasimar double cursed oracle angel->Dragon. this was power trip. angel spells are outright better then anything you can get in oracle spellbook. and once i became full dragon it was like my full caster suddenly got 20 levels of martial on top of him. story was mixed bag. you were framed as becoming some kind of dragon lord that even demon lords or gods don't want to cross but your mentor was downright retarded. first time i read about gold dragons i though they were royalty of metalic dragons. sterm but wise rulers. meeting dragon mentor was BIG letdown. but from gameplay point, this character was lieges above hellknight devil.

Really game is great. my only gripe that there was no Runelord/Proper archimage path. Legend is more framed as legendary martial (and you get most out of it if you go for full 40 levels in martial classes) lich is close but it is specifically evil undead sorcerer kind of experience. others were you ARE this X thing (THE EAON, THE ANGEL, THE DEVIL, THE SWARM, THE FEY (in case of trickster) template. The Path. really missed opportunity with being just powerful sorcerer who starts to break reality with his mastery over arcane.

my next playthrough gonna be human mutation warrior/arcanist/arcane knight demon->swarm (maybe not arcanist but sorcerer or wizard, i dunno) i know gish characters are best for swarm though. or Human Armiger/wizard/signifier/arcane knight. master wizard of hellknights or something kind of build

>>3656857
Wizard/Signifer/E.Knight is a cute way to make a heavy armor caster with no arcane failure, but aside from having lv8/9 spells mostly for team support, a magus would be more effective at actual melee.

Lich would help with progressing caster so you could get the fighter level no problem.

At least you are durable thanks to the mythic heavy armor focus

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>>3651239
ember always ruins my evil playthroughs

>>3653143
wait she won't join a devil? why?

>>3653172
fable

>>3656885
I know that magus is better as gish but being limited to level 6 spells is worrying for me. eldrich knight/signifier route gets me better spellcasting and still being ok at combat, not at magus level but still good with all buffs

Lich: best arcane spells, alternative followers, undead features.
Angel: best divine spells, some party support
Demon: aspects/transformations
Aeon best immunities & best at shutting down magic
Azata: powerful buffs, best metamagic
Dragon: strongest stats
Legend: most customizable
Trickster: best usage of skills
Swarm: alternative gameplay, potentially broken stats.
what's point of devil? you get slightly weaker versions of angel/demon abilities and few high level spells as SLA with unlimited usage. seems weak(ish) compared to all crazy shit every else can do. or is it this good as build on top of aeon/azata? as unlimited hellfire ray with azatas zippy magic could be fun.

>>3656936
>Lich: best arcane spells, alternative followers, undead features, shit story that has you being perpetually buck broken
>Angel: best divine spells, some party support, makes the most sense story-wise
>Demon: aspects/transformations, is retarded story-wise
>Aeon best immunities & best at shutting down magic, is okay story-wise
>Azata: powerful buffs, best metamagic, extreme cringe beyond the worst of marvel's millenial quips
>Dragon: strongest stats, become literal bike cuck
>Legend: most customizable, get locked out of half the features in character creation which are the most interesting parts
>Trickster: best usage of skills, azata tier cringe
>Swarm: alternative gameplay, potentially broken stats, makes no sense story-wise
>Devil: Demon but cringe

>>3656936
Devil is good because you do have 8 ranks of your previous mythic ,yes. What you get is not AS good as the last few things you get as Aeon for example, but the decrees have some bullshit.

As for trickster, it's the best melee and decent party support due to trickster feats (teh whole party getting critical improved is bonkers and normal metamagic allows for a very fun customizable spellbook for your casters, even dc ones)

For Azata, Aivu is a pretty nice addition too

>>3656937
>is retarded story-wise
Only if you assume that your character can actually choose the mythic path.If you RP it as something that is forced on you it makes sense.
>makes no sense story-wise
True and it should have been an early game path the player unlocks by being too evil early on.Then the queen could have stopped the player,the good companions would have betrayed the KC and the swarm could have risen naturally from the corpse.

>>3656937
>>Demon: aspects/transformations, is retarded story-wise
No, it's not, you're the reason why the crusade started winning for the first time in SEVEN DECADES. Most people think you're blessed by Iomedae. Some people start talking shit behind your back, but they're still willing to tolerate you. Galfrey is still willing ot tolerate you, at least until act 5 (and even then in act 3 she still cries about your mythic path and always demotes you if you're playing an evil one)

Wotr or kingmaker?
Wotr seems better at everything
Kingmaker has more grounded story & politics

>>3656973
I prefer kingmakers overall story and pacing (even if there is a nosedive after pitax till you ge to teh actual climax) and it's themes and it's a bit less of a rocket tag (though you can still break it completely).
Wotr has more awesome and varied moments and lots more things to play with (I have a lot of fun in the roguelike mode).

I like/dislike the casts in a similar ratio

I'd say play them in order

>>3656975
so Kingmaker is lower level,you mostly fight mundane things like goblins & trolls and stuff with late game being about fairies and Wotr is higher level as your starting enemies are demons and late game you are fighting demon lords?

>>3656979
Kingmaker is a 1-18 campaign (you can reach 20 with less hassle now, but talking about original design).
It's still relatively epic, but it is straightforward. It does not have Mythic aspects for you and enemies and you do not fight multiple demon lords

>>3656973
Just play both lol

Theyre separate adventure modules

>>3656973
>>3656979
Both are worth playing, but I’d recommend Kingmaker first. WOTR isn’t a direct sequel in terms of story, but there is some fun unintentional (?) foreshadowing in KM with certain throne events and the LG kingdom quest. However, WOTR definitely feels like a thematic sequel, with an obviously increased budget and an immediately high stakes story, as opposed to KM’s slow (sometimes too slow) ramping up from low level adventures.

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Did I fuck up my Lich transformation? I wanted to double-check the requirements and turns out just because I let the vampire advisor live and didn't kill them both, I will either have to bow to Zacharius or he will break my phylactery. I will also not get a mental enhancement item he would give.
Is this true?

>>3656937
>>Lich: buck broken
>>Dragon: become literal bike cuck
accurate

How do you manage to get enough spell slots for crusader strike/freedom/death ward on a full party without going for multiple cleric/oracles? Also am I blind or did Dragon Disc lose bonus feats?

>>3657239
Use of heighten/normal metamagic, scrolls/potions, offloading to casters like Ember, always taking abundant etc.

I don't understand aeons. Reading on wiki it seems they are just powerful outsiders. Similar power tier as devils or angels that try to enforce status quo if you will. In wotr they can time travel, delete timelines and generally operate on much higher level then angels or demons. If aeons are as powerful as they are described in wotr, there would be no worldwound. Every dimension would stay in they're own lane.

>>3657293
The universe/monad is ocnstantly trying to fix itself amd stay stable.
But shit goes wack for many reasons.
Aeons are the jannies trying to do cleanup, but there are too many shitposters and even non-cosmic ones can cause big damage.

Same reason Pharasma does not have everything running like how she wants it

>>3657293
>>3657295
It's almost like trying to force inherently chaotic force to follow the laws is difficult

>>3657295
Good point. Too many leaks and too few engineers to fix everything

Why do newly recruited armies in crusader mode with no commander sometimes have 4 cap size and sometimes have 3 cap size? Am I forgetting something obvious? This is without the +1 from the leadership council

>>3657300
Starting feats.

>>3657100
Do you think that when we told you that Lich was all about bending over to Zach we were shitposting? lol

Gold Dragon Update making it at least mechanically fun.
The D team may finally get something new to work on.

Pathfinder WOTR ruined other RPGs for me I can’t play anything else since the class customisation got me hooked

>>3657974
It may have dethroned Baldur's Gate for the top spot. Can't say 100%, but I'm kind of feeling that at the moment.

>>3657974
be honest though, you haven't played many rpgs, right?

>>3657973
God, I can only play this 100 hour CRPG so many times.

>>3657994
nta but I did and he's right. it's not even close either

>>3658306
>i did
no you haven't

>>3656903
I forget if the blood war is a thing in pathfinder but even if it's not, demons and devils don't like each other

>>3657994
I have played dozens of RPGs and none of them reach the same level of class customisation as WOTR

>>3657974
Oh don't worry, I'll save them for you:
All the classes play the same

>>3656857
What's your starting mythic going to be?
Lich makes a lot of sense story-wise and if you merge spellbook then you'll keep the lich spells, some of which are incredible for a gish.

I'd probably avoid arcanist, sorcerer or wizard would be better.
Arcanists are sorely limited when it comes to 'spells known', unlike wizards they don't get help from the abundant casting mythics and unlike sorcerers they don't get a boost from mythic spellbook merging.
Their only advantages imo are being able to boost caster level so you can get to CL 25 for 24h haste et al, and being an int-based caster that can go into dragon disciple if that's something you want to do for some reason.

>>3656885
If he's going swarm then having level 7/8/9 spells would make a big difference.

>>3644236
>is every single person of authority or strength a girl-boss?
Why do you think the crusade has taken 400 years and fucked up every chance it got?

Kingmaker is a far better story and design because you make your own story, in Wrath you’re always the knight commander who was an experiment by a demon witch that will always be your background and the enemies will always be the same with MMO tier variety (literally just painted with a different color with the word viscous/greater under their name.

Plus the Kingmaker throne room politics was a lot more fun and impactful while Wrath focused on useless army minigame buffs since there is a strict meta for that shit.

On another note I think the demons in Pathfinder look stupidly goofy I can’t take them seriously.

>>3658471
>Kingmaker is a far better story and design because you make your own story
Kingmaker is literally the exact same minus being kidnapped and experimented on by a mad witch

>>3658391
>dozens
wow, and that's a lot to you?
>class customization
is that what you play rpgs for?

Feystalker/Feytalker or Aldori defender/Swordlord are most thematic classes for KIngmaker.
I really wish there were more base class->prestige classes in games like Aldori Defender->Aldori Swordlord, Armiger->Hellknight

>Gold Dragon update
Did they talk about this before?I didn't expect there to be another content update.

>>3659135
Yes, in the previous big update.

>>3659000
Pala/Cleric/Inqisitor of Abadar is the most thematic. Clean out forest and fey, establish cities. Fuck Stolen lands code, establish legal codex

Owlcat finishes their games after 3 years.

>>3659241
Would it be better if they sat on the game for 2 extra years to reach a similar state?
Though even with the content, it'd still be bugridden to hell

>>3657920
Why is bending over to Zach bad but bending over to god is okay?

>>3659241
try 4

>>3658509
Dozens of classes is a lot yes and having the freedom to do what I want with classes is great yes

>>3658473
Kingmaker is peak comfy, turning the Somalia of the world into a powerhouse is very entertaining.

>>3659412
That's not what happens in kingmaker at all.

>>3657920
All evil mythic paths have you bending over and taking it up the ass for a while
>Demon: go clean up the orgy room filed with sex and semen and get treated like a slave by everyone
>Devil: sell your soul to Hell and proclaim eternal servitude to Satan, bend over backwards to the hellknights and their goth queen
>Swarm: Deskari briefly controls you and you have to hear his ugly voice more than any other path
Lich at least makes you get acknowledged as a worthy successor and taking the reigns

>>3659422
No lichbro, demon doesn't have to mop cum or whatever, you can tell everyoen to fuck off, including Nocticula
Lich is the only path where you either suck up to your master or you bend over because if you don't you get penalized

>>3659413
Are you blind? When you first meet the Pitax envoy in chapter 2 they shit talk you but later in chapter 5 actually consider you a rival plus the transformation from a mud hut town to an actual city is visually amazing.

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Based on how strong they are gameplay wise.

>>3659499
>pure leveled
Ulbrig is too much of a glass cannon, falls off.
Sosiel goes up if only due to domains.
Though you do not have her for a while, Galfrey doest he important job (Mark of justice) even better, should go up.
And Normal Arue is beter than evil arue, should go up.
I'd probably move Daeran too.

>multiclass/dips allowed
Lann,Wendu, Daeran, Wojif, Galfrey and Reg move up. Maybe ulbrig too with some of the newer archetypes.

Quick question, i´m playing trickster and i´m wondering what happens if i tell Nocticula about her brother.
My bet is that the mythic path fails but then again that seems like a pretty good prank.

>>3659556
>Tell her
You can lose chance for a nahydrian crystall if you help against the council and harvest their shit for the open the crossroads ending or switch to fighting her regardless/spoiler]
You should get the rank up regardless

I'm not saying it was demons
But it was probably demons

Is devil good now? I played it before update and it was somewhat good.
You can become cheilax protectorate and Iomade and Queen can do nothing about it when it becomes open buffet for hell.
Now I read you can corrupt queen. Is it good? Does she join you as companion?
I admit seeing her depressed as hell was pleasing after all shit she put me through, in my mind, by failing so hard she lost Iomade's favor and borders on suicide seeing her country taken over by devils & Chilax empire instead of demons.
Corrupting her would be nice, but utter despair she has in devil path really made me jolly.
I know in other paths you can rightly punish her as well. (Eat her, age her to her true age, kill her and raise as banshee). Demon can only just kill her and it sucks. Geoffrey needs to suffer for all shit she caused. Sad you can't punish her in angel or azata paths.
Inb4 ewww devil is cuck for Satan/Chilax
Well you are playing lawful evil so being part of rigid hierarchy is what it should be. You ain't there to carve out power, become death god or eat everything. And being high ranking hell duke under 2nd most powerful arch devil in existance is sweet deal, all things considered.

>>3659811
It's essentially an extra 30-40 minute sidequest revolving around Asmodeus tasking you to corrupt Galfrey. Good flavor, but nothing amazing

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>>3659422
>>Demon: go clean up the orgy room filed with sex and semen and get treated like a slave by everyone
No brother.
I guess you could boldly argue for that in the Tyranny path, although many would counter-argue that becoming the right-hand person and main consort of THE succ queen (and soon-to-be CN goddess) is far from a bad deal, but in the Freedom path you can easily just go rogue throwing shit at everyone and killing everybody ending up becoming a Demonic Overlord. And if you ascend, it's safe to say that your KC became a full-fledged Demon Lord at the very least.

MUCH more epic than being the errant boy to some autistic lich.

>>3659814
I guess thats alright as Devil path pretty much sets you as turning mendev into Chilax satellite state, turning you into its governor-ruler with Empress & church of Asmodeus support, while you yourself go on to become devil-saint in said church and high ranking hell duke under Menes. some may feels thats its light & not so good, but devil path is very thematic & overall quests do good job of portraying you as cog, albeit important cog in machinery that is hell & its designs for Galorion.

Wotr. How can I get my hands on bloodhound duelling sword? I've found something on reddit that you need trickster nature knowledge 3, but you only get it on rank 7 which is pretty much wt end on abyss chapter, so can you get it before you transition to legend?

>>3659972
Toybox it.

Well, that was fast
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1184370/view/6564653885911204312?l=english

>>3644236
>because it was just more chill
time limits...chill....lmao. hot take? more like absolutely retarded take

>>3660503
The time limits are so generous, it becomes an issue only if you rest after every single fight or you are just autistic in general

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this my character before final boss, pre devil update, I know he isnt as optimized but he was good playing on normal.
I have a question regarding hellknight order of pyre. it says ill receive healing when i am damaged by fire attacks, but will it activate if im immune to fire per hellknight lvl 10 effect? (im order of godclaw but asking for future builds)
>Why orc double axe?
first i tried doing what regil starting build did, heavily armored dex fighter with double weapon and it was good with commoragh smash/fearsome display. 7 attacks with aons bane/smite chaos really puts hurt on most bosses

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>>3660511

>>3660511
>>3660512
Incredibly fragile build without having a reach weapon or a mount and regill sharing the same role but I guess it is normal difficulty.
I think you need to actually get hurt to heal from fire instead, but it's a novelty ability anyway

>>3660513
I agree, it wont work on unfair, but i play on normal or lower so it was ok.
Regill had literally same build so it both guys had issue that they needed 1 or more turns to get into position before they could do damage (which they did great damage) so Lann/succubus or casters were more useful for most fights. If i redid Aeon->Devil run with MC as Hellknight i'd probably keep regill as is and to MC hellknight signifier caster as late game martials weren't that good (I took Greybor to final dungeon only because he was under devil's contract so i though this will be thematic but he was worst party member by far)

>>3660514
Greybor really needs the statue mount and/or haste to even be viable, if he actually gets to hit the enemies it should shred them though

>>3660589
Honestly, with the new lunge feat all glass cannon classes got a huge boost. It's all greybor really needs to stay out of harms way when combined with the size boosting spells.

>>3644236
Welcome to the current year.

>>3660593
True but before you can consistently keep those buffs on him that 20 movement speed really hampers his ability do anything

>>3644236
>>3660596
>is every single person of authority or strength a girl-boss?
Does it help that all of them fail at being effective leaders?

>>3660601
> fail at being effective leaders
Just like women IRL.

Do you do intentionally do the tavern defence or do you skip it on new runs?

>>3644236
It’s worse in the tabletop, where questioning the goddess of girlbossing gets you brapped to death

>>3661170
I do it to kill the nabasu in the square too

>>3661187
It is a decent necklace and I suppose you get more experience overall doing both.

>>3661170
Depends on difficulty, dealing with that mass hold + zombie waves isn't really worth the experience unless it's enough to bring you to the next level for the Garrison

>>3661170
I have like 900 hours in this game and wasn't aware you can skip it. Still will do it, it is fun.

>>3661392
If you do the first chapter within 3 rests (or 4 if you clear the tower) you can avoid it entirely, in my experience if you only sleep at the tavern you can also avoid the messenger visiting and telling you about the attack. You get less experience due to less combat but you get some extra items in exchange including some haste and heroism scrolls

I don't get the tavern event anymore on my playthroughs unless I intentionally have it spawn by going for the 4th rest, Haven't done an unfair run yet.

Did they add content for late game mythics?

>>3661488
A bit.
Legend got a party a year and a half ago, Devil got a 40 minute sidequest a few months ago, Dragon got revamped abilities, extra spells and a few more events involving redemption targets a couple days ago.
And they are apparently finally done with extra content and adjustments, now it's just bugfixing

At least the game is stable now. No graphics glitches- except in the Inevitable Excess DLC.

The camera in this game is not good.

>>3646295
hell in these settings aint half bad, after a little while of suffering you just become a demon/devil which is pretty sweet

>>3644236
Golarion powerscaling is wild. It's one thing that one in every ten act 5 demons is on par with a demon lord, but I'm in Inevitable Excess and every kekedon or dream demon could easily eat baphomet for breakfast and deskari for dinner. The universe is supposed to be in balance, right? So does the Hand have an older brother with forty hit dice who could've closed the Wound in an afternoon or is there just a possibility that one succubus sharpshooter could get plopped into the material plane one day and wipe out humanity

>>3661820
Think of everything there as a fever dream and the Perfect Darkness as the manifestation of bad game design

>>3644236
>fucking hell, is every single person of authority or strength a girl-boss?
And all of them except Nocticula and may be Areelu are retards

Don't want to run another Eldritch Scionk, will Charisma-focused Witch subclass will allow me to put some endless lighting show with Azata mythic?

>>3661865
You could just be stigmatized like Ember and wait till you get stormlord gauntlets (heck, any spontaneous charisma caster with the guantless technically works).
One that can wear medium armor by default like oracle may be better so you can use the Hide Armor of Elemental Carnage.

>>3661865
With advantage/disadvantage rolls and duplicated targetting, absolutely anything works.
Although Evocation always seems like a waste compared to shit like Phantasmal Killer.