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The phrase "return to form" is so common that it can no longer be seen as a coincidence
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>>3646521
It probably does because it's Bioware but it's an extremely common phrase.
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>>3646525
When it's in 9 major reviews and counting it's more than just a common phrase
Either someone handed them a script or they're all using the same chatbot, or they're copying each other
Or a combination of all three
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You could probably buy a review with ten bucks and a cheeseburger, i dont know why you find this surprising.
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>>3646529
Mostly I'm surprised by how blatant it is
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>>3646526
>someone handed them a script
CONGRATULATIONS YOU FIGURED IT OUT
ALL THE EARLY REVIEWS FOR A MASS MARKET TITLE ARE FALSE POSITIVES
THEY ONLY GET TO REVIEW THE GAME IF THEY AGREE TO BE POSITIVE
IT'S ALL MARKETING
CONGRATULATIONS YOU FUCKING GENIUS YOU FIGURED IT OUT
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>>3646525
I think you can find a few common phrases on this site too
>troonguard is soulless woke goyslop
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>>3646537
You seem really upset about this coming to light
Why is that?
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>>3646521
How new?
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It's like a cult system.

You have the rulers at the top that push for destruction of our people.
You have their priests (twitch, streamers, and they don't even hide the names anymore by calling them "influencers"). These priest direct the thoughts and actions of those that worship them and give them offerings (twitch money, donations, patreon(like how deities were patrons), etc.).

Pretty much most people in the world is part of several cults. If you worship someone, or are influenced by someone to make a certain purchase, then you're part of a cult.

These unholy priests/influencers are given their unholy texts/scripts by those with money. Money is the same as promises of power which were given to ancient cultists/demonologists/satanists.
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>>3646521
What form? There hasn't been a good DA since Origins and this is just Inquisition with even uglier characters.
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>>3646563
There's not a single good thing about origins.
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>>3646614
Sorry I couldn't hear you through all the cock you were sucking, what was that?
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>>3646521
it's not paid, this is very common with reviews
remember the whole "makes you feel like batman" shittery
reviewers are just lazy and plagiarize each other, it's nothing new or deep
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>>3646655
it's funny because your point is that people repeat themselves yet you are bringing this shit up unprompted which is predictable from your kind
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>>3646695
cant remember this were the case when printed gaming magazines were still a thing.
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>>3646521
You see repeated phrases like that a lot when dealing with paid shills
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>>3646697
The point is, idiot, that those were also fake pushed messaging.
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>EA finally returned to form making good games
>HOW DARE PAID REVIEWERS SAY THEY RETURN TO FOFM!>>?
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>>3646554
It's not a cult nor religion, it's just you coping with your faith being unpopular
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>>3646521
Remember GG? GG was exacly about this shit. Game jurnos are scumbags that are bought and paid by corporations.
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>>3646521
It's called "boilerplate", just so you know. Welcome to reality.
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Dragon Age II - best game since Origins
Inquisition - best game since Origins
Veilguard - best game since Origins
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>>3646521
>>3646526
Do you guys really not know how any industry journalism works? You always get a PR sheet sent to you with things you have to mention.
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>>3646526
>Either someone handed them a script
Thats business as usual for like 25 years now. Consumer cattle will never notice.
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>>3646521

How can it be a "return to form" if it´s not RTwP, world states don´t carry over, dialogue options don´t even allow the player to roleplay as an asshole and the tone of everything is sunshine and rainbows instead of dark fantasy? How is that return to form?

I understand they had to shill the game but couldn´t they have made it more believable? Like, say it stands on it´s own legs as a new and exiting game, say that it revolutionize this or that mechanic, say it pushes the edges of what modern RPGs should be... i mean, there were thousands of ways to suck up to Bioware for that sweet BlackRock DEI bonus and they went ahead and choose the one option they couldn´t possibly get away with?

That can not be an accident, it´s just too stupid. It has to be intentional to have people discussing the game but it kind of burns a lot of reviewers and channels as it absolutely kills all future credibility. Weird move.
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>>3646541
he seems upset about you being slow desu
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welcome to capitalism

>>3646526
>it's in 9 major reviews
I assume it's all owned by the same guy
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>>3646521

looks just like Origins to me...
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>>3647663
guilds predate capitalism
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>>3646521
You're telling me the maintream media is just a media platform that is being used to manipulate people? no way
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>>3646521
Gamergate tried to warn you.
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>>3646521
>Veilguard has paid plagiarized reviews
The fact that inhumane retards like you exist that still think paid reviews are a thing is fucking pathetic.
The absolute closest to "paid reviews" you can get are sponsored streamers.

Game journalism is some of the most underappricited, underpaid journalism out there and there is no dimension where a company would or could ever pay a game journalist. If you even THINK this you are so fucking ignorant, stupid and mentally immature there is no helping you.
You're literally on the same mental level as a 9 year olds arguing about which console is better.
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>>3646787
nah GG was about a faggot who got butthurt his gf broke up with him, quit pretending it was about anything else
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>>3652158
Hands down the most embarassing post on this board right now.

Paid Reviews not only exist they are common and now they dont work like you describe. No one shows up with a briefcase full of money.
Paid Reviews are paid for by publishers or PR-agencies buying ads on your site or magazine.
If the review you give is not positive enough the simply pull all the ads from your publication and will not place ads there in the future.

>b-but its not true!
If you think that PR which carefully vets which reviewers get hands-on with the product before release and forces a review-embargo doesnt use ads to pay for reviews you are a blithering retard.
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>>3652184
T. Discordtranny
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>>3652186
trannies didn't even exist back then newfriend
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There is some really embarrassing bait in this thread.
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>>3652145
...and that's a good thing
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>>3652187
>newfags don't know about Bailey Jay
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>>3652187
You never bothered to ask what books the Germans were burning in the 30s, did you?
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>>3652185
That's not how it works, retard. You have no hard proof, you ignore actual journalists that explain it to you, you have no actual understanding of how things work.

It's legit retard behaviour, where you take limited information and interpret it entirely wrong because you have a cognitive confirmation bias to prove what you already (ignorantly) believe to be "correct". It's class A stupidity.
And it all circle back into one thing
>thing X i don't agree with is wrong because i don't like it!
>clearly it's the cause of something nefarious or people that are bad, because only the things i believe and think is right and correct!
It's the insane lunacy of moronic juvenile burger extremist behaviour.

I have quite literally several years ago dealt with lunatics like you where I wrote 3 long posts filled with actual facts, interviews, links, data and what have you to explain them this shit. Guess what? It was all replied to be one line shitposts like
>huuurrrrr trannyposter
Because these morons cannot handle ever being wrong, so they lash out whenever shit is presented that doesn't line up with what they believe, yet can't disprove.

It's fucking pathatic and embarrassing. It's mindblowing that this site is STILL filled with the same fucking brainrot as 10 years ago. Holy shit. And yes you're one of them.
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>>thing X i don't agree with is wrong because i don't like it!
>>clearly it's the cause of something nefarious or people that are bad, because only the things i believe and think is right and correct!
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>>3646521
This is illegal in the US now, btw.
https://abc7ny.com/post/ftcs-rule-banning-fake-online-reviews-goes-effect/15453553/#:~:text=Specifically%2C%20the%20rule%20bans%20reviews,or%20selling%20reviews%20or%20testimonials.
>It also bans businesses from creating or selling reviews or testimonials.
>Businesses that knowingly buy fake reviews, procure them from company insiders or disseminate fake reviews will be penalized.
>It also prohibits businesses from using "unfounded or groundless legal threats, physical threats, intimidation, or certain false public accusations."
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>>3652262
It's actually not illegal, and these laws are specifically in place to encourage behavior like this. Wait until you realize how much of the bullshit you believe is the product of stacking the deck while discrediting unbiased sources. This is the consequence of your own behavior. People like you seek what they want to hear, not the truth, and this is the end result.
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>>3652268
okay thanks dude, once I develop schizophrenia and go off my meds I'll come back to this one for sure
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>>3652275
What part of Bioware giving early access to people who give them favorable reviews is illegal? Nothing about that law prevents that. People seek out information that confirms what they believe, not the truth. It's like when some retarded slav tells you CNN is biased then directs you to some site run by stormfront for the *real* facts. It's all bullshit dude.
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>>3646521
I am pretty sure it's just that the people who do these reviews are in a cabal and decide to reinforce narratives by using the same talking points.
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>>3646521
oh NO who would even tought thing like that could happened?
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>>3652289
Return to form is in tons of video game reviews. This is because it's a favored phrase for the algorithms and AI that assist in creating the shitty reviews these sites constantly shit out.
Example:
https://www.theaureview.com/games/game-review-street-fighter-6/
>Game Review: Street Fighter 6 is a stellar return to form
1 year ago.

It's really quite simple.
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>>3652277
I think it's high time there was a "middleman" that companies give keys to, and they distribute them randomly to verified outlets that show an interest in it. No contact between companies and reviewers, no fear of blacklisting or retaliation.
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>>3652309
Why? Do you think this stops at video games? The correct course of action is to educate people about the awful shit they are consuming >>3652292 not spew equally false narratives from equally false sources. People will just rate things in accordance to what gets them the most clicks, which will be what people want to hear, not the truth. That's the way the world is. There are people at bioware that work around the clock to make sure the right reviews get heard and they get a fat bonus for it, it's their job.
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They could have been paid or bribed, but they could also just be completely unoriginal, going off a script and using harmless (to the dev) buzzwords just to be less antagonizing and "neutral"; ie. not have an actual opinion in case they cut them as reviewers.
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>>3652357
They're just plugging data points into chatgpt and sprucing it up I think. It's like when you type a work email and it auto fills all the polite sounding fluff.
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>>3646521
>retard's first day on the internet, thinkings its paid reviews
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-game-really-makes-you-feel-like-batman
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>>3652357
It's literally that a lot of game sites just want clicks for basically no effort. This is even worse when it comes to basic shit like
>solve this puzzle
or some shit. Where they pad the article with fluff and bury the answer by splitting it up into several parts when it could've just been a single sentence.
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>>3652408
The normalfags making threads like this like the bamham games, have you been to nu/v/ lately?
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>>3652364
>>3652410
I think of it like a book "the mastery of saying something and nothing at the same time". It's like writing papers in highschool and you try to stretch out everything you say as long as possible so it looks important, but really you're just dancing around the topic and avoiding answering any hard questions with actual substance. There is a motivation there to "be kind".
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>>3652443
>There is a motivation there to "be kind".
Yeah, not alienating potential ad revenue.
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>>3646521
AAA games are shit. I'd rather replay DA2, or finally try DAI with extensive mods to make it good. And I don't really want to do that either.
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>>3646522
>a single 'triumph' is highlighted as well
you could be right
but you are obviously clinging to straws and don't have anything better to show for it
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>>3646526
>Either someone handed them a script
LMAO
anon
>can I copy your homework?
>sure but don't make it too obvious
you'd think if they really were handing out scripts they'd be a bit more careful

in reality it's probably just the same chatbot
not that it's a good spotlight for gaming journos but still
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>>3646614
that's not true
the production values are pretty good
game is trash though
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>>3646707
how are you supposed to plagiarize a review from a different magazine that will only come out the same time your review needs to be already printed, dumbass?
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>>3652158
tasty but a bit too obvious
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>>3652454
>AAA games are shit. I'd rather replay DA2, or finally try DAI
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>>3646521
Have people already forgotten about the kane and lynch fiasco?
This shit has been confirmed for over a decade.
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>>3654478
>Have people already forgotten
No, the entire thread is basically telling OP he's an idiot and that journalism has been corrupt since its inception.
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>>3654478
Except that wasn't a paid review. That has never been a thing. Anyone that goes on about paid reviews is an ignorant retard.
Jeff has explained this shit a million times at this point, but retards keep mouthing off their dumb ignorant shit.
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>>3654484
>Jeff
lol
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>>3654484
The entire game journo industry is set up in a way that corporations get all the benefits of paid reviews without needing to actually pay for them.
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>>3654485
Yes, the person that is at the center of the whole Kane & Lynch story that anon just mentioned and a lot of tards on this board loves to talk about.
But clearly it would make more sense to treat baseless assumptions from random anons as fact instead.

>>3654488
Which isn't true either. But regardless, paid reviews aren't a thing. Especially now, when journalists are not valued at all and videogame journalism is dying (magazines, sites, you name it are all getting shut down, on life support or only surviving due to patreon).

Right now you're better off with streamers, which DO get paid to do sponsored streams, but even that is not as effective as it used to be.

Point being is that there are still too many retards on this site that try and rationalize reviews not aligning with their own shitty opinions with some shady dealings, like genuine lunatics.
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>>3646521
Yes, yes granpda, the journalists are teaming up to push this game. It's another conspiracy, sure. Now please get off the internet.
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>>3654496
>Yes, the person that is at the center of the whole Kane & Lynch
is he your buddy and people are making fun of him? poor guy.
>Point being is that there are still too many retards on this site that try and rationalize reviews not aligning with their own shitty opinions
we already found out they talk amongst themselves in gamesjournoproslist years ago. i'm sure they use discord nowadays, they reach consensus and copy boilerplate. it's more an incestuous circlejerk and incompetence than straight corruption
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>>3654510
>is he your buddy
He is the direct person the situation happened to.
If you know of a better direct source for the facts, please share it with the rest of the room. Obviously you're not just pulling info from your ass, right?

>we already found out they talk amongst themselves in gamesjournoproslist years ago. i'm sure they use discord nowadays, they reach consensus and copy boilerplate. it's more an incestuous circlejerk and incompetence than straight corruption
Which isn't the case at all either, but I'm sure you have cold hard facts to back all of this up as a broad reaching thing, right? Not just more asspulls and wild baseless assumptions. Because that'd be something only a massive idiot would do.
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>>3654513
>He is the direct person
jeff goldblum?
>Which isn't the case at all either,
we have their chat logs from years ago and member lists that were leaked, they were copying "journo list". people in industries form club houses, that's just what happens. lazy fucks use boilerplate and have for years. i know, i know, this is all "crazy talk".
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>>3654515
>playing dumb and deflecting
So you admit to being wrong and a retard. Glad we agree.

>w-we have their chat logs from years ago
Uh huh, and I have photos of you fucking pigs. Nice source, retard.
Maybe try and stick to facts and logic over ignorance and stupidity, it tends to work better in discussion and actually being informed and not a retard.
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>>3654519
>So you admit to being wrong and a retard. Glad we agree.
no, you still haven't caught on that i'm making fun of you for calling gerstmann, jeff? holy shit you're dense.
>Uh huh, and I have photos of you fucking pigs. Nice source, retard.
google it, zoomer.
>stick to facts and logic over ignorance and stupidity,
but then i would never reply to you...
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>>3654520
>logical fallacies, nothing to back up anything he said and just straight up backpedaling and deflection
Glad we agree you're wrong and ignorant and I'm right. Nothing more to say.
But if you want to make a final shitpost in denial, go ahead. That kind of thing usually helps idiots like you cope.
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i was in manhattan earlier and they had ads for this shit on the site of a phone booth which i assume makes no money from the phone and exists solely to make money from the ads. anyways, i bet that cost a pretty penny.
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>>3654548
marketing budgets have to be spent or they don't get as much the next time. most things are about people wanting to keep their jobs and help their friends.
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>>3646526
>Either someone handed them a script or they're all using the same chatbot
That's just grammarly. You can try it yourself, write a positive 'review' and get grammarly to streamline the text, the same phrases will appear in yours.
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>>3652158
>Game journalism is some of the most underappricited, underpaid journalism out there
exactly
cheapest and easiest to bribe
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>>3654567
No retard, it means there is no point in doing so.
You're far better off giving out codes to the game to smaller/mid sized streamers and content creators so they cover your game for free and/or paying a large streamer 500 000$ to stream your game for a few hours in companies eyes. Or just straight up ad space on storefronts and wherever else they want it.

Meanwhile, you retards still fixate on scores of reviews not aligning with games you don't like and haven't even played. The same line of thought as
>if another anon likes something i don't like they're just retarded and wrong!
as in, legit mentally immature and close-minded behaviour where you think you're right and everyone else is wrong for no actual valid reasons.
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>>3654527
so, did you google it?
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>>3654676
Do you brainlets think that a free review copy given in exchange for a positive review isn't a bribe?
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>>3646522
Wow these fucks are so lazy they cant even be bothered to occasionally use a synonym.
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>>3646525
Just like "sharp as a tack" was the common phrase used when talking about Biden's senility.
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>>3655178
>free review copy isn't a bribe
To be as ignorant and so far removed from reality as you is quite and achievement.

No, it's not. I also know that even if I carefully explained it all to you, your ignorant mind is already made up, because that's how close-minded people like you work. So wallow in your ignorance then, if that's what you want to do.

Honestly, I don't even know why I bother treating people on this board as rational human beings, when you're clearly not.
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>>3655289
the point really isn't whether they get paid off, you're right that morons focus on that, but rather that they have no integrity and just repeat the same shit their buds do and just copy press releases.
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>>3655289
Listen cocksucker, if you have to constantly appease game devs so they will keep giving you review copies of games then you're in effect being bribed
For journos, the review which makes the most money is the one that comes out first. Simple as. It gets the most clicks, it generates the most revenue. If you have to wait until after a game is out to review it, you've already lost a sizable portion of your audience and thus a sizable portion of your revenue
But devs don't send review copies to journalists who give bad reviews
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>>3652234
>leftist inbred niggerfaggot defends corporations now

Your tricks dont work anymore, fuck off back to resetera kikeboy.
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>>3652277
>its not happening!
>well actually it is happening but its not illegal
>it has been happening for years so you should just accept it

How embarassing.
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>>3655289
> bro please bro just trust journalists again please just do it okay I am about to lose my job please we totally are legit!

This thread turned into solid comedy gold.
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>>3652463
>you'd think if they really were handing out scripts they'd be a bit more careful
you'd be wrong.
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>>3652185

>Paid Reviews not only exist they are common and now they dont work like you describe. No one shows up with a briefcase full of money.
>Paid Reviews are paid for by publishers or PR-agencies buying ads on your site or magazine.
>If the review you give is not positive enough the simply pull all the ads from your publication and will not place ads there in the future.

This. It's extremely common in all aspect of web reviewing. All sites are sponsored. A bad review, and sponsorship will suddenly stop. All the sites know that. Tech goods reviews are even worse. Sites have affiliated links where readers can buy goods that are reviewed. Reviewers are so incentivised to publish positive reviews so people buy the products that they review.

What's more, it extremely easy for manufacturers to "buy" their own goods via those links at a small loss to bribe reviewers.
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>>3647768
guilds don't have profit of enterprise, nor do they employ their member craftsmen.
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>>3655350
>Listen cocksucker, if you have to constantly appease game devs so they will keep giving you review copies of games then you're in effect being bribed
Which doesn't happen apart from very small content creators, at best. The fact that you're this ignorant is frankly wasting my time and effort.
>For journos, the review which makes the most money is the one that comes out first.
Not how it works, but thanks for further flaunting your ignorance. I can also tell you're not interested in reality since you're clearly close-minded and want to live in your bubble.

>>3655380
>exposes himself as a mentally immature extremist
Bravo. This is quite literally the dumbest kind of people on the planet that actively make humanity as a whole worse. You're one of them.

>>3655387
It's funny how idiots draw this conclusion instead of just
>person x says something wrong or retarded, gets told so and why
instead you idiots have to insert your own personal agendas, thinking this is some kindergarten console wars shit where you "defend" shit. Embarrassing.

>>3656403
Sponsors are not the same as "paid reviews". Sponsors on sites (or on live shows) are usually not the games (if they're even games at all) being reviewed.
>A bad review, and sponsorship will suddenly stop.
Not how it works in the rare cases that might've happened in recent memory.

It's frankly impressive how so many people here are both massively ignorant, treat their own baseless assumptions as truth and refuse to consider anything other than a juvenile
>noooo all videogame reviews are paid to review games i don't like well!!!!
Next level retardation. Quite impressive.
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>>3652145
I've come to cognitively automatically associate "and that's a good thing!" with vapid people.
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>>3656705
...and that's a good thing!
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>>3646521
No shit?
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>>3656704
Ok pajeet
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>>3656704
What's impressive is your inability to form coherent sentences. Cascading greentext replies are a form of below par IQ.
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>>3656874
>below par IQ.
below saar IQ even
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>>3656704
>Not how it works
so how does it work then?
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>>3646526
nobody tell this guy about native advertising.
bro NPR runs 'news stories' that were written by adverrrrrrrr... ahem... underwriters.
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>>3658624
People are oversimplifying and dumbing down a situation that is very situational and both more straightforward and complex.
This has also changed throughout the years (both magazines and videogame sites have shut down more and more over the years).

A dedicated videogame news and journalism site doesn't make money on individual reviews. It's mainly through ads and donations (depending on the site, like videogameschronicle uses patreon I think).
These ads are frequently not tied to specific games, or even gaming at all. When they are, they can very easily be for mobile games which basically gets no videogame journalistic coverage.

What is typically prioritized are game reviews and coverage of games they believe their reading audience wants to see (i.e. more hits on the site) and them having people to cover it.
The relatioship between publishers and journalists (or even content creators) is also not some dumb
>unless you give our games amazing review scores we won't sponsor your site (if they even did) or send more early review copies!
That's such an ignorant and naive idea it's downright embarrassing to think a grown man could have it. It's even more embarrassing when they believe this without any actual facts or understanding of how it actually all works. As in they treat their ignorant opinions as facts just to vent some juvenile
>they say a game i don't like and haven't played is good? paid reviews! it's a conspiracy
literal nutjob shit.

Both actual journalists (like the aforementioned Jeff Gerstmann, which is often ignorantly brought up), content creator journalists like ACG or whatever have repeatedly clarified this. But obviously people prefer to just go with the conspiracy shit on this site, because it suits their own close-minded narrative.
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>>3659209
You literally get blacklisted from any review/preview/promo/etc. material if you don't play ball, I don't know what's hard to understand about this.
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>>3646521
you see when you make those horrendous posts on /v/ they die within an hour or so
but when you do it on a slow board like here this shit stain will stay on the catalogue for fucking weeks
KYS
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>>3659209
>more hits on the site
WHICH THEY GET THE MOST OF BY POSTING REVIEWS FIRST
SO THEY NEED REVIEW COPIES OF GAMES
WHO GIVES THEM REVIEW COPIES?
COMPANIES THAT LIKE THEM
WHICH COMPANIES LIKE THEM?
ONES THEY GIVE GOOD REVIEWS



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