What's the verdict?
>>3652830Playing it, enjoying it.Closing in on the Final Emperor (can't remember what amount of defeated 7 heroes it triggers on), abdicaited to make the Doll my emperor now heading off to deal with the endless storm.Biggest complaints are some of the lazy design choices, like how the doll looks now or that the nereids having human legs after the intro quest cutscene.
>>3652830Lowkey one of the best JRPG release of the year.
What's the most events you can complete with Gerard before hitting a timeskip, whats the optimal path involved there. Usually I just get the Dragon Fisting Gang to join then work with the Thieves Guild to help me take the fortress which is where his time as the Emperor cuts off.Presumably you can put off helping Cat for a later generation, which is the kind of thing that drives my autism wild seeing characters like the specific original Strategist being alive for up to hundreds of years before you do their event.
Does Subir always absorb the Narwhal in the remake even if you don't kill the rule of the seas? Maybe I just left him too late.
>>3652830The best jrpg just got better
>>3652882Martial artists -> gemstone mine -> meet dantarg -> don't complete the saigo quest -> toba -> witch's hut -> desert -> go wherever you want. You can't "finish" a quest or else you'll get a timeskip but you can kill the termite queen as long as you don't talk to the hunter afterwards. You can fight noel, rocbouquet, or bokhohn (unlike the original where gerard couldn't fight bokhohn)
>>3652830Same as every Saga game.Quirky game that does some interesting things, but is overall held back by some bad or really strange design decisions. Typically a lot of tedium and getting fucked over because of obtuse things.
>>3653055>Typically a lot of tedium and getting fucked over because of obtuse things.This has never happened to me in any SaGa game before so no
>>3653066It has, you just disregard it. Saga games frequently either poorly explain or don't explain at all relevant things.
>>3653074This one explains a lot of things
>>3653079It also simplifies the base game. Which just proves my point that the series is obtuse and complicated.
>>3653084>simplifiesThe added mechanics make it more complex. It's just less obtuse.
>>3653084>Which just proves my point that the series is obtuse and complicated.
Saga isn't really complicated, none of its battles really require forward planning and most of your ability pools are functionally identical vertical upgrades akin to a final fantasy game. It's more like a lot of garbage to create the illusion of depth, which goes to show square combat is fundamentally rotten and poorly designed. Also, while gameplay varies between titles, it's very video gamey and I have yet to play any saga game which attempts to capture anything remotely similar to the feeling of the kind of adventure you'd have in a tabletop rpg or a even just a crpg. Like the scenario design is just bad.
>>3653108This hasn't really reflected my experience with any of the games, but I've also seen this exact wording appear in SaGa threads before so I'm wondering if it's just one person saying this.
>>3653112Perhaps you can quote the post then because I've never posted in a saga thread before. Like there's no element of resource management and it encourages you to game tech growth, you would never play a tabletop rpg like this. It would never work on paper. So in this way it's kind of tactical and puzzle-y, but the problem is Japan is really, really bad at making those types of games and it winds up feeling like something for toddlers. Like this isn't even in the realm of rpgs any more, this is wargames, and it's pretty simple for a wargame.
>>3653079Grinding to master abilities is the shittiest and shallowest kind of skill progression, so not exactly something to flaunt.
>>3653108>none of its battles really require forward planning and most of your ability pools are functionally identical vertical upgrades>the scenario design is just badYou couldn't have been more wrong if you tried.>while gameplay varies between titles, it's very video gamey Wow, a video game is video gamey, what a shocker.
>>3653124>You couldn't have been more wrong if you triedWhich battle requires preparation beforehand? What scenario would you describe as good? Like there's that metaphor dungeon where you have to sneak around and there's a whole thing to get a secret item where you discover a secret passage, get a key, fight an optional boss, and deduce that it manipulates a statue to open a new optional path way. I would consider this a bad dungeon and the absolute minimum. SaGa doesn't ever do things like this at all.
>>3653126>there's that metaphor dungeonAnd this is where I must bid you adieu, try being a little less obvious next time.
Didn't this just get remade a few years ago?
>>3653144There was a 2d "remaster" that came west in 2016, this is a full 3d remake
>>3653138So nothing then.
>>3653126>SaGa doesn't ever do things like this at all.Have you actually played a single game in the series before? You'd know you're 100% utterly wrong but your whole posts are disingenuous so I don't think it even warrants serious replies
>>3653161You'll happily and smugly reply to the retard who doesn't know what he's talking about. You're saying things like>your whole posts are disingenuous so I don't think it even warrants serious repliesBecause you're an idiot and you don't have an answer. I'm only in here because I've noticed every time saga and metal max get bumped the board becomes complete garbage. I could care less about whatever retarded shit you're doing in here, but I know plenty about these awful games.
Would be fun if there was more you could do in actually managing/utilising the power of your Empire, instead of it just being in the background while you do your JRPG adventuring.Not an actual complaint since this was a remake of an existing game, there's no place to really utilise that sort of gameplay unless they changed things alot more.Picture Unrelated
>>3653167>but I know plenty about these awful games.You clearly don't
Why does every enemy seem to be blasting Pheromones by near the end game. They trying to turn this into a hentai monster rpg or what.
>>3653182For me, it was Hell Claw spam
>>3652999Yeah, he will assimilate the Narwhal if you take too long.
>>3653182That is one of the flaws of endgame, enemies will heavily rely on Charm spamming.
What carries over in NG+ for the remake.Heard the unlocked difficulties are pretty brutal, and you need to be prepared before going into them.
>>3653212
>>3652858>abdicaited to make the Doll my emperor nowBit sad what results from that. Normally Coppelia persists between generations but if you make her an Empress and she "Becomes a Real Girl" then she dies off after one and you find her unmoving broken body tossed in the corrner of some store room in the castle without a care. Is there something insidious and draining about the Inheritance magic beyond just game mechanics, same way that if you have a regular character abdicate it treats them as having died off and skips to the next member of their class at the tavern even though everyone else is the same...
>>3653202What's the method for encountering him earlier than the Storm event? Can't remember it for him.
Didn't imagine so many people would buy and play this gameNot even Kawazu's friends played Emerald Beyond and the gacha is dead
>>3653678I didn't like the player characters on display for Emerald, none of them grabbed me like Alkaizer and I can't fucking stand 'Vampire' dudes.
>>3653103Unfortunately true
>>3652830Basically, it's shit. The usual mechanics and progression are dumbed down and gated in stupid ways. The combat is made simpler, flashier and railroaded into abusing random nonsensical weaknesses and OD, you're not winning without it now. Other mechanics like debuffs and status effects got gutted with shitty grind to master (that has no place in SaGa) class abilities shoved in to restore them to previous level. Atrocious Skyrim markers shoved in your face at every step so you always know where the quests are and where you need to go instead of having to actually read the dialogue and figure it out yourself.
Best party members for taking on in the final dungeon/post-game?
It's sentimental but I did enjoy the little photos of the various characters going about their lives during the credits. Such a glimpse is nice to see since otherwise the core of the game is built on it being an interpersonal battle over generations of the Empire with your party members just being interchangable members of their class to fill slots.
>>3653677Sadly, you can only find him through the Storm event and defeating Garon in the Shipwreck, you just need to clear the South Longit quests quicker to trigger it.
>>3653683Alkaizer mentioned, here's to the best battle theme in that game. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UgewJQqw_F0?si=_0fvE_G1f3F9FemH" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>
>>3653925><iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UgewJQqw_F0?si=_0fvE_G1f3F9FemH" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>This is 4chan, not your discord, retard.
>>3653927Of course it was raiding newniggers. I am not even remotely shocked at this development.
>>3653927>>3653928Amazing. two little emotional boys on their period at the same time. Anyways >>3653683, enjoyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgewJQqw_F0
>>3653942Why did you try to embed a video on 4chan like it was on discord
>>3653947Well obviously I'm a retard
Is there any downside to immediatly Abdicating first thing every new generation
>>3653958Yes. You're straining your imperial legacy with some gutless bitches who wuss out of danger and responsibility immediately.
>>3653961But formations tho
I give up.
>>3653683>and I can't fucking stand 'Vampire' dudesIt's because Suignas reminds you that you're a cuck isn't it?
I'm enjoying it but I've only had time to play around 8 hours since it launched. Kinda wish it had launched when the demo did but it can't be helped.I'll be able to really get stuck in towards the end of Nov/Dec at least.The music's great, hard to believe we got treated to both this and EB this year.
>>3653927Man this is genuinely disgusting.
>>3654167This might be coming completely out of left field, but I fucking hate those face marking SO much.
>>3653927>>3654176This isn’t your safe space.
>>3654281It's why Emerald Beyond is BASED for saying mixing cultures is bad. Get those science fag symbols out of President Not-Trump's Capitol City
is this like an okay starting point for the series?
>>3654694No, but it's a serviceable standalone game.
>>3654694The RS2 remake is easily the best starting point for the series. Even before the remake, RS2 was arguably the best place to start.
What's y'all's take on this post about the remake from /v/, any merit to it? Any old grizzled sagafag who could chime in?>This remake was specifically made for people who don't like SaGa, which is why it was hypercasualized and most of SaGa's signature design choices and mechanics were removed, subverted or defanged to the point of being there in name only in the rare case they survived.>Honestly it's scary how this game does so much dumb shit Kawazu was warning people about barely over a year before it came out.
>>3655124>y'all's
>>3655124The post you quoted is from a schizo that has constantly been shitposting about this game in almost every thread since before it came out. In prior threads he attempted to compare it to the original RS2 but was factually incorrect about many of the original game's mechanics, suggesting that he is merely posing as an oldfag. He has also admitted to posting on discord.As for the substance of the quote is it totally wrong. The remake builds on the design of the original game and fans of the original RS2 are the ones most happy with this remake.The most charitable interpretation I can make of the schizo's ramblings is that he wanted it to be more like Emerald Beyond rather than being true to the original RS2. But that is probably too generous, he is simply insane.
>>3655124Both threads here and there are just a discord raid apparently.
>>3655142The guy seems to be a little obsessed with Octopath Traveler and how apparently half the systems in the remake, including the combat as a whole, got lifted from OT becase that's what sells with the normies and not SaGa. His words, not mine.>>3655151I can't even imagine this level of mental illness.
>>3655124He’s right unfortunately. Just play the original, or if you must, the remaster that came out few years ago.
>>3655228>or if you mustDon't be such a wanker.
>>3655228Where do you get off being a thoughtless contrarian? Go back to /v/ with your shallow reactionary bullshit.
What does Noel go if I ask him nicely to fuck off?
Tried to do the Mermaid quest with Gerard and got a timeskip at the mines. Guess I fought too many enemies.
I just realized that because of save file fuckery i forgot to visit the garden after building it, so i went a full generation without checking there. Will this screw me over in the future?>>3654167Qu Magis really should have been a recruitable, Delta Base only having Administrator Gold despite being such a long world was a poor decision. I get Bean not being an option because he shares a body type with Minstrel.
>>3653677The Heroes will trigger their 2nd Forms regardless after the 4th Hero is killed. If you want to fight Subier in his first form you need to have enough time pass to get the ghost ship to appear before you kill your 4th Hero. 6 generations worth of time (190-200 years) after you finish the initial Corsair quest is needed to get the rebellion the next generation and then pass 6 more generations to get the ghost ship quest to appear.>>3655438He will return to the same spot after you kill Rocbouquet unless she is the 6th hero you kill.
someone managed to get Gerard meeting up with Wagnas
>>3653212Expert is way, WAY easier than Hard.
>>3655124that take came from a dicksword faggot who posts nonstop in /v/ saga 2 threads (he is here too you can see his posts already). unfortunately people there can't stop giving him (you)s so he never stopsnever take him seriously and you shouldn't too when nigger unironically thinks able to switch your party in town is a bad design because you had to LP kill them in original which is the """good""" designthe easy way to notice his posts is if he starts yapping about remake le bad while dicksucking emerald beyond or unlimited saga 95% chance its him
an interesting detail; you can see the emperor inherit memories of your encounters during his or her time.
>>3655773>starts yapping about remake le bad while dicksucking emerald beyond or unlimited sagaIt’s really quite ironic you say that, considering Unlimited is a game where Kawazu was given full creative freedom to make exactly the game he wanted to make, and this on the other hand is a game that takes Kawazu’s original vision and alters it significantly without his input. This remake seems like a good game on its own merits from what I’ve seen, and I’m looking forward to playing it when it goes on sale, but it’s obvious that the main target audience is not old time fans of Saga and Kawazu.
>>3656080Is it really changed all that much? The stuff that makes the biggest difference are QoL features that I don't think anyone sane would find objectionable.
>>3656080>this on the other hand is a game that takes Kawazu’s original vision and alters it significantly without his inputLike the anon above said, most of the changes are non-intrusive and fairly welcome. The vision is still there and nothing that makes it a SaGa game was removed. While yes, on top of the much needed QoL there's also some debatably unnecessary fluff in the form of the passive class abilities and the revamped combat, and the guidance with the minimap and quest markers is a little handholdy (you can turn it off though which is a plus), it only builds on top of what was already there without sacrificing any of the core concepts.>it’s obvious that the main target audience is not old time fans of Saga and KawazuThis couldn't be further from the truth too, while I can agree that RS2 specifically was chosen because it's one of the most, if not the most, approachable SaGa games, it still is a love letter to the fans as much as it is an attempt to gather new players.
>>3655773nta but Unlimited Saga is really great. My main gripes with it are that outside of a few campaigns (like Armic's) it's far too linear, some of its skills are too unbalanced and magic is a chore to learn (and honestly pretty niche). Outside of that it has the best character building and dungeons out of all SaGa games by far.I suggest you try it out before maliciously shitposting about it.
>>3656096The remake significantly changed it though, you don't have to be sagafag to see that. The sole fact that you have an AoE healing spell directly contradicts the original design philosophy of focusing on one's defensive options as you weren't able to degenerate in these FF-esque healing loops, not to mention those bloated damage and HP values you'd only ever see in trash like aabeta. And the by far biggest shortcoming of RS2, its lackluster dungeons, got no revamping whatsoever.RS2 was also chosen because it's very popular and due to its timeless inheritance mechanics, not because the original was approachable, far from it. The only reason why newfags even managed to beat the remaster was because they kept that new dungeon from the 2011 phone version which gave access to all kinds of ridiculously powerful gear and formation.
>>3656089look in the previous threads. They changed the entire weakness system
>>3656132Is it meaningfully changed or does it result in mostly the same experience?
>>3656134Is flipping the entire combat on its head and railroading you into just spamming the weaknesses, as well as giving you free access to an AoE healing spell that usually do not exist in the rest of the series and go against the original combat design a meaningful enough change for you?
>>3654694Minstrel Song is better
So is the diver just kind of bad? I can't figure out what she's meant to be good at. Not great at attacking. Not great at casting. She at least came with a trident.
>>3653115which games have you tried out?
>>3656143>Minstrel Song is betterat filtering people
>>3655153SE themselves compared it to octopath
>>3656157And Final Fantasy too, because they're only allowed to talk about and promote their own IPs.
>>3655714I tried to get Gerard to places but I failed to get him past the mines quest even. Do I have to not upgrade the Kingdom and skip the Martial Artist?
>>3656269You're guaranteed a timeskip if you've fought 80 battles, otherwise it's roughly a 50% chance and you can try fighting a few more battles before finishing the quest and see if anything changes
>>3656404Fuck that's so low. People must bet resetting battles for glimmers to beat the bosses.
should i use different weapons for my retinue or just let them learn from their default weapon of choice?
here's a wikia from the game guidehttps://kamikouryaku.com/romancingsaga2r/or if you rather use thishttps://game8.jp/romasaga2-remake
Can you still fight the sorcerer at Comroon if you get there super early?
How does the game treat different Emperors in the same generation? If i do an important quest as one, adbidcate and then do another, will they both show up listed or does the latter Emperor just take all the credit?
>>3656144She's good at being cute. She's a bit better as a caster but is in an awkward spot where it's likely you get her long after other better characters that do the same thing but with more upsides. Her passive ability is pretty nice on tanks at least but she's probably gonna hit the bench after. I kept her for a whole gen but had a hard time justifying her after.
Expert is so boring it kind of ruined the game for me. My time would have been better spent on a fresh replay.The NG+ options suck and I wish we could pick what to carry over.
>>3656703>She's good at being cute>had a hard time justifying herI do not comprehend.
Should I leave Noel, Subier, or the Kzinnsie rematch for last?
>>3656767If you didn't make peace with Noel then don't do him last. Otherwise it's whatever.Maybe Subier because his "dungeon" is a load of nothing.
>>3656769I made peace with him but just killed Roc for the last territory. IIRC that lets you go back and fight him.
>>3656767Subier has sources of Mighty Helms if you didnt get them from WagnasBeating Noel is required for the Melu Desert quizzes. You can fight him if you returb after killing his sister. Kzinnsie has good items in his dungeon and some cool voiced dialogue.The safest choices are Frozen Sea Subier and Kzinnsie #2.>>3656703Due some mechanical changes, there's no reason to have low reason anymore. Consequently, Linda the 22 reason diver is actually a fairly solid caster overall especially if you decide to raise dark rank. The class makes good use of the amazon skill too.
>>3652830I've started it and it's really fucking slow at the beginning, when the hell do they let you off the training wheels? I'm done with FFXIII style "it gets better after 200 hours" games
>>3656775I'm a newcomer to the series. To me, I want to say after you beat Kzinssie, the first real boss.
>>3652830It's great, but I lost interest after beating dread queen and unlocking NG+.
>>3656775When Gerard gets the armor on the game cover
Wait can you not fight Rocbouquet without doing the sunken tower? I figured I could just call her on her BS and fight her if I talked to the amazons first.
It honestly makes my head spin that I need to do busy work of levelling up glimmers with characters so I can defeat the Seven. >Rotate in character.>Equip technique.>Check techniques.>Find out they can't glimmer it.>Rotate in new character.
>>3657425https://romancing-saga-2.blogspot.com/p/tech-sparking.htmljust use this instead of wasting time
>>3652830I liked it so much I got all achievements
Are there multiple "maritime experience" classes? I told the pirate scum to fuck off with their offer, and now I assume I'm locked out of a corsair class.
Didn't click with me after an hour. Might come back to it
>>3657685You'll get them later, just wait a few generations. Or if you have the right kind of emperor you can do some bullshit to get them early.
The final fight was... surprisingly easy. People in the early threads were getting filtered left and right, I guess it was just the typical rushers that were surprised of getting rekt while playing on the highest difficulty.Admittedly I had 60 hours when I reached it, but I never really grinded, just did everything I could.Then I absolutely rotflstomped the dread queen, that fucking 2x overdrive damage is insane.Anyway it was a fantastic game, a true hidden gem for me.
Romancing SaGa 2 was always the best SaGa game. Remaking it and dumbing it down a little plus those QoL features for mass appeal was a surprisingly smart move from Square Enix especially since this cost much less than their retarded AAA projects
>>3658007>wagnas not even outthe difficult part is when they are all out. reload your save and change difficulty to hard in settings and see how it goes
>missed out first form Dantargi didn't expect him to transform midfight either. i'm in desperate need of a timeskip now.
>>3658007>those HP/BP valuesYou did grind.
Everytime I encounter a low tp mob I want to reset the run because It's not efficient.
Does running from battles affect the Battle Rank?
>>3658472No. Read the tutorials.
Can't wait for someone to crack EB for mobile, don't have time to sit at my PC.
>defeat another Hero or do some other quest to avoid timeskips? maybe i should wait to fight Wagnas in his first form. I think I need bows and stronger skills. i did not expect that wyvern to chase me when i was approaching the door to Wagnas.
playing through the intro and it's just this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK8N171O024
This soundtrack invaded my home at 4am and slapped my GFs ass.
>>3658866Any idea when the OST will drop?
>>3658395NTA but if you explore pretty throughly, you'll probably finish in the high 900s/low 1000s by the end of the game, especially when some areas are absurdly tight. Mr. S randomly giving you double bonuses can lead to some serious inflation too.
>>3659012Their sit says it's out now.https://www.jp.square-enix.com/music/en/lineup/item/SQEX-11136-7.htmlSE's NA store says Nov 2024, but doesn't indicate if it's out or not, so probably now. EU store has the pre-order tag.No idea when it'll be added to streaming services, they sometimes wait a bit or don't bother at all.
how exactly does skill grinding work in this? so long as you use something once in an encounter it gets full benefit?
Is there any downside to grinding once I'm at enemy strength 16?
>>3659175I think some if not all of the heroes and the final boss are scaled from either emperor HP or total battle count.
>>3652830Three men, each and every single one of them a swordsman wearing armor. Four waifus, each and every single one of them wearing schoolgirls sailor scout bimbo outfits and they are obviously shrinking violet archers or sorcerers....No. Next.
>>3659229
>>3652830Why is Switch performance so ass?
>>3659058Hope it'll be uploaded here at some point, can't even find most of the OST on youtube...
>>3659268>Expecting Switch to be able to run anything on the Unreal Engine. I thought you guys learned your lesson after SMTV
It's good.
>>3658007>dark magicyou didn't beat it
Why hasn't another developer tried to copy SG and EB's battle system yet?
>>3659057By the end of the post-game, sure. But not the regular game. Definitely aren't capping BP either.
>>3659745The games were shit and no one except a couple terminally online autists who do nothing but play obscure jarpigs and shitpost on 4chan cares about them.
dread queen is fucking bullshit
What triggers the ability to research mage armor in the Smithy? I finally got it with the Final Emperor, but is there a way to get it earlier?
>>3660101You need Steppe for mage armor
can rain of death be evaded? can I assume every move has an evasion?
>>3653115Are you really trying to argue people don't 'game' tabletop systems? It's something you can moderate as a DM, but loads of people play tabletop RPGs like they're spreadsheets rather than narrative adventures.
>>3660223This entire board is filled with these retards who act like we've never seen what a real tabletop game is. "The tabletop experience" is garbage and video games are better.
>>3659268Why wouldn't it be?
i may have opened up too many quests. what quests can be lost if active? aside from cumberland
>>3660360Mermaid has to be finished in the same generation, iirc
>>3652830It's interesting playing it back to back with the remaster. Everything seems to take at least 50% longer because of cutscenes and expanded areas.
>>3659745because they're only concerned with making money, not good games, scarlet grace and emerald beyond didn't make any money, same with nearly all good games, it's rare for a good game to make money, faggots only want slop, that's the reality of idiocracy
>>3660588>scarlet grace and emerald beyond didn't make any moneyThey weren't good games either, aside from an interesting combat system (that still falls flat anyway)
>>3660590nah, they both were amazing
The insane shilling of emerald beyond here when it was so obviously terrible made me stop taking square enix fans seriously. I will never play a square enix game again.
>>3660701It's a decent game, but one that goes beyond typical JRPG fare. And people were looking for reasons to be upset.
>>3652830As someone who's only played this remake, do SaGa games just not have explorable overworlds or was that a remake concession?
>>3660818It is an interconnected world in the original.
>>3660815my heart wants to scream HARAM but they're apparently real in bongistan
>>3660839Nonsense. It was a map you picked locations from with a cursor. Both the remaster and remake are faithful to it. Really, there's little point in playing anything BUT the remaster for most people in this case.
Is it not possible to get Gerard to do the mermaid quest. I've gotten to Atlantica from the South, and also with the fort in two separate saves, but in both I have the opposite issue. I can't get to the desert through Atlantica, if I go through the south, and if I go around through the desert if I do the fort, I can't get to the South area of Nezelle to get to the lake.
>>3660854https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaNDU70jp1Mexplain this then
>>3660854buy a potion from witch, she tells you about the desert and you can go there
>>3660899Ah, I see. I did try talking to NPCs to see if it'd open, but didn't consider that. Thank you.
>>3660896>Vows to get revenge for his dead father and brother>Gives it all up for mermaid pussyA shameful display
Do I play RS3, Minstrel Song, or Frontier next? I've already played the FFL games and Scarlet Grace .
>>3660946Minstrel Song if you want something more mechanically heavy. RS3 or Frontier if you want something a bit easier (I prefer RS3 out of the two personally).
>>3660946any of 3 are great games but minstrel song might filter you if you are still new to the seriesif you are still going to play that just accept that you will miss alot of things during first playthrough and let shit happens RS3 is more of RS1 sequel instead of RS2 and frontier is where you see wacky stuffs+some interesting ideas for jrpg (like monster's gimmick as party members and assassins that actually hunts you down instead of afk like every other jrpgs in asellus story)
>>3660701>t. retard who doesn't even like jrpgs and thinks earthbound, chrono trigger, super mario rpg, and ff7 are the best jrpgs ever
I don't like denuvo :cToday I had a chance to play an hour of RS2 while travellin' but I was a little late so I didn't get the chance to launch it at home, not a problem, I played it a couple days ago.Nope. I played it on my PC a couple days ago, I didn't have a valid ticket for denuvo this week so couldn't play.Screw you square-enix! SHIT SQUARE ENIX! AHHHHGonna make up for it by playing 4 hours tonight. That'll show 'em.
>>3661316Okay but Earthbound and Chrono Trigger actually are pretty good though.
>>3661440for people who literally do not like jrpgs and instead like everything tertiary to jrps, i guessbut for someone who actually likes jrpgs for jrpgs themselves, those are literally the worst jrpgs of all time, even absolute trash tier jrpgs like beyond the beyond and secret of the stars are still more engaging and deep than earthbound and chrono trigger
>>3655124there's little point in playing anything BUT remake in this case. unlike all remakes it adds to every aspect of the game. even if someone is inclined towards playing the remaster they should keep in mind it's still a SNES game with a facelift.
>>3661481this is an awful take. reporting you for being a retard. mods crush his skull thank you.
>>3661481Okay dude, enjoy being a brainless contrarian I guess.
>>3661508>you have to covet my favorite dogshit puddle deep babby's first pseudo jrpg that i wasn't even alive for when it released or else you're a contrariangod i fucking hate you zoomers so fucking much it's unreal, and unlike you i actually played them both, and ON RELEASE at that, they're shit games for retarded faggots
Started off as a 9/10, became a 7/10 by the middle, by the end it felt like a 6/10. Good ideas, shallow execution.
>>3661556>shallow executionhow so
>>3652830>mfw can't enter Fort Cyfreet after dealing with Cumberland siblingsI think I may have fucked up something.
>>3661702The range of skills and magic turned out to be pretty unimpressive. Most attack glimmer progression is just "Do more damage at the cost of more MP." and by the end I was only only using Restoration, Rock Slide, and Light Wall 90% of the time.
>>3662266If you sail away from Cumberland BEFORE you resolve the fort when it becomes available you'll bork yourself out of Crusader class and annexation. In the OG and Remaster at least, I presume it works the same in the Remake.
>>3662572you will inevitably fuck up something in rs2 because it's so modular. commit to that for your first playthrough and just go with it.
>>3662589This shit is so grossly overblown it's insane.
>>3662830Is it? Armed Merchant can be even more easily messed up.
>>3662589>you will inevitably fuck up something in rs2It's a poorly designed shit game then.>first playthroughWho in their right mind has the time to replay the same 50-60 hours game over and over? Hell, even half that?
>>3662846It's simply the byproduct of freedom you usually don't see in JRPGs. Also, your Emperors are randomized with each generation so there's that.
>>3662833Yes, nearly all of the stupid shit like>you WILL fuck up in your first playthrough>there are SO MANY variables and decisions to make>every replay is VASTLY differentturned out to be false. Can't tell if it was perpetuated by retards that had never played it and got suckered in somehow or genuine faggots that honestly believe it.
>>3662863Hold up. So the choices aspect is gone from the remake?
>>3662851>It's simply the byproduct of freedomGod saga fans are dumb
>>3662888No. That anon is just sperging out.
>>3662890Nothing he said was incorrect, just reload your save if you're going to cry about it
>>3662888There's practically no choice involved other than the order to do stuff which is largely irrelevant.
>>3662888There wasn't much of it present in the original either. "Le epic CYOA" my ass.
>>3662913>"Le epic CYOA"Yeah, I've definitely heard people describe Romancing SaGa this way. Fuck off with your retarded strawman.>>3662912>There's practically no choice involved other than the order to do stuff which is largely irrelevant.There are several choices to make in the game that don't involve order including outside of dialogue options but sure.
>>3662926>one "choice" lets you get something new>the other "choice" locks you out of that thing for no benefitNice choices you've got there. I can think of exactly one actual choice, but considering how useless one of the options still is it might as well be the same as I described.
>>3662929>Piss baby still crying that his action had a bad consequenceBut you fags will still go on and on about how RPGs don't let you fail quests and shit.
>>3662933What were you saying about strawmen just now?
>>3662926No, there really isn't, especially on replays. It really just boils down to "do X or Y first"
>>3662933>his action had a bad consequenceThat's not a meaningful choice, that's a fail state.
>>3662942>>3662947First choice in the game that some people may unwittingly make is with the monks and cave quest as fighting anything other than Gel Monster has a different outcome. The Cumberland civil war plays out differently depending on your choice, it's not simply a fail state. Depending on when the player finds Noel, you can make a deal with himThere's also the volcano quest at Comroon, and the Narwhale quest. Kzinssie's challenge can also be intentionally ignored by the player I'm not an expert at RomSaGa2 and don't know how many scenarios can actually play out in the game, and I also think allowing the player to tackle many of the scenarios in an order of their choosing as well as having a wide range of party combinations along with letting the player specialize the Emperor in weapons and spells of their choosing offers a decent amount of replayability to the game, especially considering the game isn't that long. That along with various fail states, which you might not value but are components of the game as they encourage the player to "get things right on their next run" which actually does offer meaning to them. All of this was packaged in a 1993 Super Nintendo game, I don't know how much you can reasonably expect from games from that era, it's already more than most of its contemporaries. The remake is mostly faithful and it's only goal was to allow a younger generation of people to experience one of the most popular games on the SNES
>>3663033>First choice in the game that some people may unwittingly make is with the monksThat's not a choice: it's a punishment for retards that don't read.Not even going to bother with the rest of your post if you open with that shit.
>>3663039Punishment for a player's actions are choices the player makesI see you're a fucking disingenuous retard, here's your last (you)
>>3663039>punishmentExcept that you can still get the fighters as a class and restore their honor
>>3663039>for retards that didn't readYeah, the dialogue indicates that one choice involves cooperation with the martial artists whereas the other supplants their authority. Naturally the latter choice leads to slightly greater imperial revenue, as you are not sharing control of the neighboring town with the martial artists. And if you pick a martial artist as your emperor at some point you will revive the dragon's lair, thus allowing you to get the best of both worlds.Overall I agree that quests generally have a 'best outcome' and a worse outcome. But my replays have varied considerably (in old versions, but the remake hasn't changed that stuff) because I don't feel obligated to get the 'best outcome' in every quest every time I play the game. Personally I like designing my playthroughs around the timeskip/calendar system.
>>3663045Why would you ever knowingly choose a worse option, one that literally gets you nothing?If it's for RP shit then it's meaningless.
>>3663047Because it's a lengthy process for a minor benefit.Same with unlocking the messina mine then taking the land route to the pirate base. Technically you get extra loot, but in most playthroughs I don't want it. So unless I'm specifically aiming to collect everything and create the most optimized endgame save file, I usually prefer to take the more efficient route.
>>3661481post face
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>>3663259EBfags on suicide watch
>>3663070Choosing not to engage with something isn't really a choice.
>>3663239lmfao seething secondary faggot
>>3663334but enough about you
>>3663341rofl, the sheer irony, kill yourself zoomie
>>3663259
>>3663365no one is like this
>>3663366In the sense that I have never thought about a games sales while playing it, I am like thatIt's only ever relevant for multiplayer games that need some kind of playerbase for decent queue times/matchmaking, but I couldn't give any less of a shit about how much/little a single player game sold
Damn, that was a tough one
>>3663348>zoomienta but all you care is about is age, this game is gonna outlive you grandpa
>>3656131>>3656139Speaking of healing. I'm playing the Remaster right now and I'm fucking tired of steamrolling everything with a healer. Is the game actually doing WITHOUT healing spells? Gerard's generation was a total breeze with a water caster,
>>3664058that was still the extended tutorial. although your answer is yes. you will need avoidance techs and/or beefy tanks. if you minimize equipped weapons you can cram 15 healing items total.
What are the best spells to focus on getting for the final generation in the remake?
>>3656139How about changing Hasten Time that trivialized the entire late game of the original?
>>3655773I'm actually impressed they went with original concept art.
Fuck yeah, Coppelia final empress.
>>3664125Reviver.Restoration, Firewall, and Elixir tomes if you don't already have them.
>>3664407fuck rapid stream
>246 years later>cecil harvey (the final emperor appears)shit i should have made the Diviner an emperor early on, or kill off each and every member to get their formations before sticking with the Corsair. I guess the final new member to join my team will be Natalie, who existed since the third emperor. As a bonus, both Cat and Falcon returned after 900 years. so much for sparking whatever skills would have glimmered off of dual gunner, aim, charge, and instant shot for the training room. It's the year 1900.
>>3662513Yeah, this remake is just the original but somehow more mindless, less freeform and with less detail in some areas too.It should have been the upgrade the other remakes were, but it wasn't handled by the actual team so we got this mediocre, cheap nostalgiabait that only appeals to casuals, none of the problems of the original release were fixed and none of the potential the original had for a full remake was fulfilled, it's very frustrating because what was great 30 years ago is just barely acceptable now for anyone who actually plays games, especially other SaGa games.
This is somewhat offtopic but can you guys recommend games like Saga? I love freedom and open ended games so I'm hoping to find more titles like that. Doesn't have to strictly be an rpg either
>mfw fucking Dantarg in East Oubliette with my crappy team
>>3666647Spiritual successors like Legend of Legacy or Alliance Alive are your safest bet, there's also various indies like Legend of Varonis, Genius of Sappheiros or Hat World that are explicitly inspired by the SaGa games.Many SaGa fans like Metal Max games because they tend to be just as open, but they're still largely different when it comes to everything else, think DQ3 meets classic Wasteland, they're really good if you like that sort of stuff but avoid the recent Xeno games, play Returns and the DS remakes instead, the PS2 Metal Saga is also okay but really, start with Returns or the NES original if you feel like you can withstand some true retro stuff.
I keep on thinking of Lorenz from Fire Emblem whenever I see James.
>>3668376?
>>3668389The other Lorenz
>>3666647Zill O'll Infinite on the PS2. There is an English patch if you aren't into moonrunes. The difficulty is not that high though unless you intentionally stay underleveled. I think it fits the theme of the game very well since the MC have great potential in lore but the main antagonist is fate which is an insane and whimsical goddess you can't fight physically.You basically have to fight against the system to get the best ending. But outside of that there are plenty of side stuff to do and some of the other endings are interesting to see too. I think the captures the sense of adventure well.Also maybe try World of Horror.
Beat the demo on hard. Kzinssie took multiple attempts, because he kept on one-shotting party members with his sword abilities. I mainly had Leon spam Double Cut and did a big chunk of damage with that unison ability that combined Double Cut and Double Stab. Will all the bosses be this hard?
>>3668811>Will all the bosses be this hard?big "problem" with the game is due to how non-linear it is you will sometimes run into roadblocks and heroes are definitely supposed to be bosses you tackle somewhat later on. hell, I think you can fight at least one with the first real emperor you choose.
This Jap IGN article questioning how "SaGa" the RS2 remake really ishttps://jp.ign.com/nintendo-switch/77180/opinion/rpg-2
>>3669085Huh, but I thought everyone who pointed that out was always the same schizo? Was he actually a Japanese journalist all along?
>>3669091Actually, every single comment on the article is shitting on the author. >This is the kind of article that seems to be written by a shallow critic who thinks he knows everything. I think it's very well done if he writes it as an imitation of a typical toxic fan. I wonder how many works and series have died as a result of people like this raising their voices too loudly.
>>3669099>every single commentWhy would you try to lie so blatantly? There’s also comments agreeing with the author, along with lots of the usual “well I see where you’re coming from but it can’t be helped…” spineless jap bullshit.
>>3669085>まずゲームボーイのサガシリーズを知らずに「サガらしさとは」とか語るのやめて欲しいんですよね……lol got 'em
>>3666647The Way of the Samurai games and Kenshi are extremely open ended in the way you play
>>3669113It's clear Romancing games are the blueprint, though. Specifically 1 and 3.
>>3669151Yep, retard in the comments acting like the GB trilogy provided the blueprint for the series when one of them didn’t even have any Kawazu involvement, and two were remade to be more in line with the rest of the series.
>>3669155Why do you always nitpick comments like some insecure mentally ill faggot? You do this in every saga thread like a coping retard. Go respond to them directly if you're so asshurt, you coward.
>>3669105The majority are in disagreement. The most liked comment is literally a negative one.
>>3668811>>3668829unless you're willing to meta you're also sometimes at the mercy of sparking rng
Finished it today, I liked it quite a bit. It got pretty easy on the final emperor's generation as I had all the tools to put together my dream minmax team, but it was enjoyable as a whole.Don't think I'll bother with NG+ as I was getting fatigued after sitting through the 100th unskippable Galactic Rift cast. I'll instead try RS3 as I'm really not a fan of Minstrel Song's character models.
>>3669215>majorityOh, so not “every single comment”?
Reminder the schizo shitting on this remake for no reason is a europoor who's too scared to post on any other forum due to him getting banned and laughed out of existance on reddit, disord and even fucking gamefaqs
>>3669649>Screenshotcan I play as the 7 heroes?
>>3669652It's a modOnly thing you can get in the vanilla game are their weapons in the postgame which include some of their unique techs
>>3663893Laughed when that happened to me too.
I have romancing 2 and 3 in my pirated backlog; never played a SaGa before. Are these decent starter entries?
>>3670556RS3 is the easier one of the two but it's also really easy to get lost in. RS2 has more direction but is also more challenging, assuming you don't have the remake which is the most newcomer-friendly game in the series.
what should i do for new game plus
>>3669091No, there's plenty of people who are not happy with the remake, even though most of them begrudgingly accept it because they want to enjoy some momentary spot in the sun, which means nothing in the long run.The faggot here>>3669649 who samefags obsessively and tries to accuse everyone who has legitimate criticism of being the same person is the actually mentally ill schizo.In fact even the usual retarded western journos have noticed how the remake is cheaply done and not in line with the original or the series at large, because it's brutally evident even if you have cursory knowledge of the series.https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/romancing-saga-2-revenge-of-the-seven-impressions/#dt-heading-whats-in-a-remake>Square Enix seems to believe that someone like me, who has never played Romancing Saga 2, won’t want to experience it unless it’s turned into a 3D RPG with as many modern fixings as possible.>If you’re not in that group, I’d advise against doing what I did here. Revenge of the Seven is not the best introduction to Romancing Saga 2; if anything, it makes a deep RPG feel a whole lot less distinct than it actually is. Treat this as an appendix page meant to be read after playing the original, not a new pressing.
>>3671230People can read that article and see the retarded journalist is actually bemoaning the difference between Romancing 3 remaster's visuals to the 3d graphics of the RS2 remake.>I decided to watch over her shoulder for a bit. That’s when my intangible problems with Revenge of the Seven crystallized. I was immediately drawn in by the SNES game’s rich pixel art. I saw enemies similar to those I’d been fighting in my game, but they were significantly more expressive as flat images.He -never- played the original and cites mixed reviews on Steam for the RS2 remaster. His girlfriend can play the RS3 remaster, which is a mobile port as well, but he cites the RS2 reviews saying it's a mobile game port for RS2 to justify not playing it. He instead watches over his girlfriend's shoulder to watch her enjoy RS3 like a cuck.
>>3670905Don't. NG+ sucks.
>>3668519>Zill O'll Infinite on the PS2Isn't the PSP version better?
>>3671376The PSP version has worse load time and the new contents it added contradict what were already in the game. I think the PS2 version looks better too.
Can an RS1 anon help? I've done Albert's intro like 3 times now trying to make sure I have the grasps on everything for a full playthrough. >1You really only get reliably stronger through equipment or training -> equipment or training requires jewels/money -> jewels/money can only be (as easily) gotten through exploration or quest completions. In this case should I minimize battling outside of quest related progression or if an enemy blocks my path? >2Because of the enemy/battle scaling, is it possible for me to run into an encounter that I purely can't beat because of stats alone? Or one thaat I can't beat BECAUSE I didn't do enough battling up until that point. And how can I tell when it's just stats and not bad strategy?>3Any reason at all not to have a full party at all and every time?>4Should I be focusing on a single region or quests within a single region or can I really just go wherever interests me? Does time past at all through traveling between them?>5Do enemies inside of dungeons respawn at all? I can't tell if they respawn when you leave the area or the entire region or if it's just time based.
>>3671855>1Battles do slowly boost your stats, and stronger enemies are more likely to trigger a stat boost. But battling slowly advances the in game 'clock', so if you want to do all the quests, you do have to watch what you're fighting (don't actually try this until you know the game like the back of your hand). Don't worry about it too much; the game's NG+ system gives you more Jewels with each playthrough (actually total quests completed); the first one is intended to be scuffed as you learn the ropes.Anyway, good weapons aren't nearly as important to your power level as stronger moves and good armor are, and Defense Mode is probably the most accessible game breaker there is. The "I want to faceroll the game" strat is to make some Rosalian Officers, put their weapons into defense mode, and slowly buy up Leg Mail, Conqueror's Gloves, Fashionable Helms, and Field Mail to make a squad of almost invincible warriors.>2You're more likely to find a stationary boss that will just kick your ass until you get stronger. The highest tier enemies are pretty beefy, but you get a lot of time to prepare. Usually you can tell if you're outclassed if you're one-shot by bosses faster than you can bring allies back up.>3Yes, you want to run a full party, unless you're playing PS2 rules and abusing running or going for Frielei or Dragon Knight. The Remaster changed running mechanics to only costing 1 LP and Frielei now has an always-available recruitment location, so a full party is just better. >4You want to check out as much of the world as possible to snatch up new quests that have opened up with increasing Event Rank, buy better goods, et cetera. Time doesn't pass while moving, only through battles.>5Enemies stay dead and only respawn when you travel to a new area on the world map. It's just that spawn locations are just kind of arbitrary. If you're looking for a particular monster (Ecology quests) you can go in and out of a nearby town until the right ones spawn.
>>3661486>even if someone is inclined towards playing the remaster they should keep in mind it's still a SNES game with a facelift.>mfw stuck on the fucking sorcerer fight after breaking the rock and resolving the volcano crisisthis motherfucker. I can't get any confuse/berserk/stuns to land and he wipes my party with aoes in two turns.
>>3672753are you playing the remaster? use rapid stream formation and mist cover + feint to guarantee a stun every turn
>>3672864>feint spamI'm playing the remaster right now, actually absolutely loving it, but this is my only gripe. There are bosses like this every so often (eg Guardian, Termite Queen) where the only legit strategy is apparently stun-locking. Because if you don't, they use some ooga-booga tech that wipes your entire party in a single turn.Only other gripe is I wish I could just go anywhere from the map and didn't have to stop in certain places / traverse the Savannah area multiple times (I'm guessing the remake fixes that)
>>3672904yes, although I think that may be the consequence of running into overpowered bosses out of order. a lot of those FUCK YOU, DIE moves can be trivialized if you fight the battles later on. good fights let you back out and flee.
>>3672909Multiple save files is a must because you can fuck yourself not only by decisions, but also by picking fights that are way beyond you and you can't back out anymore. Like Rocbouquet with a male Emperor, for example.
FUCKING FUSION SPELLS
Been playing this but really annoyed at the time skips and having to choose 1000 new emperors. This breaks the continuity of an RPG, whats the point? Also how does doing a few quests and fighting a boss make more than a 100 years pass by while my revenue and city upgrades are static? Its still the same party but with different names and I have to waste time recruiting and re-equipping them. These time skips are horribly immersion-breaking. You'd think that they'd have guns by now
>>3674107That's the premise of the game, anon.
>>3663365who the fuck wants two cakes? i'd puke.
>>3674383No one is playing two games at the exact same time it all at once
>>3663287Scarlet Grace didn't do so well originally either, but I have a feeling both SG and EB have tight budget. It all went to combat.
>>3674476On Vita alone SSG sold around 65K physical at launch.Sales number talk should be a bannable offense not only because it's stupid in itsels but because 90% of it is complete misinfo from either dumb fucks with zero clues or shills.
this might be the schizo
>>3676323Sorry, but I have to give this game a thumbs down because even Coppelia no longer has her customary mecha immunities as an inherent part of her identity.
I'm in the 2nd generation atm; this is my first saga game (apart from an hour or so of scarlet grace)Picked mercenary (f) as the emperor because I literally can't stop staring at her tits and arse. I swear I'm not a coomer, they're just so nice.-- That boob mole is *mwah*It's a lot of fun so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJLl1LOEFEMShould I expect anything?
>>3677590iirc last time they had some show in december they didn't do any big announcement, like the Romancing Saga 2 remake was announced in a summer direct insteadBut since there's currently nothing on the horizon I could see them teasing some stuff, Romancing Saga 3 remake in the same style would be a no brainer, but I think Kawazu wanted to do Saga Frontier 2
btw they fixed the wall/shadow servant interaction
I can never get into SaGa games cause I hate the trial and error aspect of the Generation system.
>>3677795RS2 is the only one with generational mechanics.
>>3677858there's some of it in saga frontier 2, but not presented in the same way. there you can actually fuck yourself for real.
Just finished it in hardmode. The +100% damage by overdrive break the game so much at the end that every heroes get killed within 2 or 3 turns with a double overdrive, the queen p2 is also a joke, a 5 man overdrive does -80% or -90% of her hp bar.
>>3654059>>3654059Lightwall and rapid stream
>>3677590>RS3R already in developmentdamn
Judging from the demo, this game both looks, sounds and plays like just another extremely generic and uninteresting Square Enix shovelware title. Does it get better or is it just the usual Squenix snoozefest?
>>3680520The game's main draw is the non-linear campaign and generational progression systems. The demo was just the tutorial leading up to that.
>>3680517Did they confirm this?>>3680520The demo really doesn't have much of a real taste for what the actual game will be like.>LooksThis is probably more to do with Xeen than SquareEnix
>>3680607is it good on the switch lite (font big enough to be readable)?
>>3677590Unlimited Saga deserves a redemption remake but SaGa Frontier 2 also deserves one since it's Kawazu's other normie potential SaGa game, especially since GoTfags will eat its plot up.>>3680517RS3 is really disappointing compared to 2. ALthough I look forward to another wave of rat filtering
>>3681006>but SaGa Frontier 2 also deserves one since it's Kawazu's other normie potential SaGa game, especially since GoTfags will eat its plot up.I'd argue Frontier 2 probably needs it more while RS2 is fresh in people's minds because it also plays with generations albeit to a much smaller degree.
>>3653112>I'm wondering if it's just one person saying this.The answer is most likely yes.
I started playing this today and I must say, this is a great JRPG. Very charming, a lot of mechanics, very solid. GotY.
>>3681842Sure you did lol
i tried minstrel song and i'm unironically getting filtered. the camera constantly swinging around during combat makes shit unironically harder too.
>>3682157>camera constantly swinging around during combat makes shit unironically harder tooBut the game is turn based.
>>3682159i literally can't keep track of enemies and their HP
>>3682160I thought the game showed a list of all enemies present, you don't have to actually look at anything the camera is showing
Never really got into previous SaGa games, but this is probably the best RPG of the year.
am I supposed to get fucked here? fuckers keep one-shotting my units
>>3685129You're stuck with 4 units so you can't use Imperial Cross and everyone besides Bear is squishy as fuck
>>3653168Romancing SaGa 4 will combine all the games together with all the best elements TRUST THE PLAN
How the fuck do you deal with Deep One? I know I need fire now, but I have no idea how to get more spells. Also, I'm very disappointed bosses are immune to status effects.
>>3685317>Romancing SaGa 4Kawazu will never get the budget for that. I'm shocked this remake happened in the first place. Scarlet Grace and Emerald Beyond are more representative of what he has to work.
>>3685568I don't know, man. We just need Frontier 2 and entire core series will have received remaster or remake treatment. That's a shocking amount of attention.
>>3685566>bosses are immune to status effectsThey're not in the remaster but maybe they are in the remake. You get magic by going to the incantation lab and assigning spells. You do need a minimum amount of a spell school level to learn stronger spells.
>>3685572What about Unlimited?
i just hope the games are doing well enough in the west to keep coming out
>>3685583Remake soonTRUST THE PLAN
>>3685583>Unlimitedno
>>3685603Don't be a fucking coward.
>>3685566not all of them, deep one can be paralyzed
>>3685618womp womp
>>3685566They are not, some bosses can be stunlocked, others can be paralyzed or confusedJust gotta experimentI'm pretty sure vulnerabilities are the same between versions since I stunlocked the True Queen just as I did back in the remaster
>>3685690>They are not, some bosses can be stunlocked, others can be paralyzed or confusedthis is important to note: stun and paralysis are two separate statuses bosses can be individually immune or weak to.
>>3685618What people despise about Unlimited isn't the combat reel system, weapon durability or TTRPG exploration, it is the fucking panel levelling system which fundamentally undermines what SaGa is about. It sucks HARD. I am willing to even give the shared BP of Scarlet Grace and Emerald Beyond a pass as even the enemies had the same turn economy system.
>>3685641So Deep One just dodges paralyze most of the time. Looks like I need to grind my mage up to be worth a damn, but that will just make him even stronger, wont it? Feels like this fight is all about praying to the RNG gods for paralyze to hit and the boss to attack my tank.
>oh cool a chest wonder what's inside>3x balm
Kek, he dodges it so much he's effectively immune. Ended up going to martial arts quest, I don't know how the sewers is possible to do first on hard.
>>3685884Just come back once you unlock abilities
should I come back later?
>>3686018You can lose and continue without a game over against Dantarg.
>>3686018that's east oubliette, right? dantarg gets more powerful the more you let him raid, but you should also he a lot more powerful later on so it balances out. getting him there is an early way to take him out.
This Dark Dragon nigger was intense on classic mode going in blind and not starting over to prep, lmao. I had 2 characters capable of stun, one of which dealt 32 damage and the other a tank with the lowest possible speed.
How the fuck are you guys having hard time in classic mode? Are you running away too much from the normal battles or grinding too much?
>>3686802I suspect some people are taking "don't battle" a bit too seriously.
>>3686802You can't magically bypass attacks that one-shot your characters by deal 2x your max health with 150+ physical defense and buffs. I'm not having a "hard time" with classic mode. This dragon was 10 times stronger than anything I've encountered in the game thus far, and that's why I posted. You're not leaving a good impression of SaGa fandom.
>>3686494if you want to outspeed the enemy you can use the corsair formation or the martial artist formation paired with a fast character. If you want your stuns to connect, you'll have better luck with the non-damaging feint skill and the female ranger's passive ability increases the success rate.>>3686873fuck the saga fandom
>>3686883I've just used the Divine Wall formation for most of the game, and my party setup has been random and based on unlocking abilities and glimmering new techs and spells, rather than min-maxing or sticking to an efficient setup. It's been smooth sailing with the exception of this one boss, which uniquely dealt 400 - 500 to the whole team with its magic AoE and 1200 - 1600 with its single target physical attack at around 620 battles prior to the Final Emperor. None of the Seven Heroes have even been remotely close to its damage output thus far.
>>3652830>What's the verdict?Might be my GOTY, but could also be recency bias.
just finished this yesterday, what a game, loved the ending, loved the heroes memories and the lore behind them. now im doing the tower, just killed noel, and he dropped the greatsword and axe, how do i glimmer his techs? im trying elite enemies like the dragon from the final dungeon and the giant from snowdrift. but theres no glimmer icon, am i doing something wrong? im at 14 ES if that matters
Pretty fitting way to end the battle. Either game over or victory.
>>3686999your enemy rank seems fine, but whoever is using them also needs to be at a pretty high weapon level, like at least 35+Some of the ants in the later part of the postgame dungeon also have a pretty high glimmer rate iirc
>>3687138yeah, that worked. finally got four seasons and the one from subier spear, i killed the flying skeletons and the golden slime in the room near the save room
I've played Minstrel Song and 3 Remastered.Would I enjoy 2 remastered more or remake instead?
>>3685129yeah lmao sleep and stun saved my ass
why is the auto defend part of this formation isn't working? what constitutes as "attacking"? only normal attack?
uhh Wagnas is a tranny?
>>3687472I couldn't concentrate on the pre-boss fight dialogue they were having because I just wanted/expected my character to ask "bro, why do you have boobs?"
>>3687472Yes.
Done with this game for now. Cleared all content on Classic and unlocked NG+. I'll come back to it eventually. Great game. I'm moving on to the PC version of RS3, though I would play the SFC version instead, but I hear the translation patch is shit and has text issues. Definitely want to play OG RS2 as well.
>>3687507Are you the guy who asked if the game is good some days ago?
>>3687509No, but I did buy the game less than a week ago. I just played the demo and then did a blind playthrough.
>>3687472Sex with Wagnas demon form
So I'm at 3/7 heroes defeated and shit's too easy now to the point I'm getting bored, ninja and strategist are too damn strong
>>3687514>specifically seeks out the strongest classes to make broken builds with>WTF WHY IS IT SO EASYlmao
>>3687126spoiler that shit next time you filthy subhuman.
>>3688180>spoiler tag for a 32 year old game
>>3688180You've had years, bro.
>>3686018It's (You)r SaGa.
Will the financial and critical success of this remake result in a remake of RS3? They said they're going to make less low budget games and stick to AAA games, which will never be SaGa. I bet this game was more profitable than FF7 Rebirth with budgets in mind, which is funny.
so I just unlocked shadow servant on my ninja and boy oh boy she fucks
im not having fun with expert mode, i think i'll do more runs on classic. i dont know if im doing something wrong but the skeleton dog before ksinzie is harder than the final boss on classic, he almost always one shot me with the ranged attack and having to glimmer techs again is a pain. Any tips?
I was thinking about getting this game but you guys make the level up system sound retarded like how last remnants level up system was. I don't wanna have to try to divine the correct amount of battles to fight because the game punishes you for fighting trash mobs.
>>3687126Romancing Saga 2 is the kind of game that gets easier and easier as you break the game more and more so I was satisfied when the last boss got me on my backfeet and I had to spend some rounds healing my party back up under pressure before finishing the boss. Not particularly difficult, but was satisfied.
>>3688703did you start fresh or new game plus? I don't think expert and romancing are tuned for fresh save
>>3688708>the game punishes you for fighting trash mobs.fucking instant ignore from me, any game that does this and presents itself as a JRPG absolutely sucks
>>3688783Doesn't happen in RS2 tho.
Battle rank isn't an issue as long as you can get stronger gear. Some of the games like RS3 have quest availability tied to your fucking health, which is retarded.
>>3687126Am I the only one who had a problem where the boss would start spamming an unavoidable instakill every turn after a certain point?
>>3688783Not really. I grinded a little for money and never had a prob beating it. The main game caps at battle rank 17 anyway. The real power comes in the moves you unlock,https://youtu.be/3eIxh_TD1Cs?si=BV_-kSP6QLfGbc9a
>>3688783>>3688708I have no idea why this retarded meme keeps getting regurgitatedBattle Rank increase does not = punishment
>>3688783>>the game punishes you for fighting trash mobs.this waaaay too overblown
>>3688895It means that after a certain point, like if you continue increasing BR after getting optimal equipment and all techs.
>>3688779nono, i already cleared the game once on classic, and went straight into the ng+ expert and got absolutely destroyed. i watched a couple of videos recommending some equipment farming like terra blade and some boots i cant remember the name now, but yeah.. i find it weird having to deal with getting one shotted so early in game
So will I like pic related if I'm craving for more SaGa games? is it better? worse? clunkier?
>>3689655The RS2 remake is uniquely more accessible than the rest of the series. Which is why it's popular and succeeding, unlike the other games.
>>3689655since it's not in unstraight shitgine, it's automatically better than rots, every single other saga game is automatically better than rots, all versions of them too
>>3687472he arbsorbed harpies, or irises as the game now calls them, as such his body morphed to have harpy physical traits, the tits is just one of them, the wings are another
>>3689705so does he have a coochie?
>>3689655This is my favourite game of the series but haven't played frontier yet. Comfy game.
>>3689704>muh UE5Disable the TAA or add the enhanced settings to the config. I played it locked at 1440p/144 fps without a single frame drop at any point.
>>3689998>just use kludgy dodgy workarounds broyou're missing the point, it doesm't matter which iteration it is, all tim sweeney engine iterations are faggot shit, because tim sweeney is a retarded faggot, nothing in a tim sweeney engisne counts as a game, tim sweeney is the anathema of videogames
>>3690482you're too stupid for pc gaming.
>>3690482Try not being mentally handicapped.
>>3688895>>3688940Enemies in TLR PC and the Remaster have a BR hardcap and playing low br is honestly more tedious and annoying than normal/high unless you know what you're doing.With regards to RS2R, BR is incredibly lenient due to it essentially being frozen until you meet certain plot thresholds, so you're free to fight everything in each dungeon and do whatever random shit you want as long as you have a cursory understanding on team building.
>Gerard can get hit by Soulsteal in the Kzinnsie fightWas not expecting that
>>3691245equip the evasion
>>3691819It's automatically equipped, but he'll still get hit if he's sleeping or something.
Mama mia, the final boss is pretty brutal. Haven't felt like this since my first run in with the Fire Bringer.
imagine saga frontier 2 in 3D
>>3692703Imagine Saga Frontier 2 without the shit combat system that makes you lose 1 LP in real life waiting for it to be over.
Imagine the last remnant 2
Imagine a SaGa announcement rumored for this week.
