>>3654824
Go back to your gacha thread.

>>3654824
>starting your general with a incredibly barebones hrpg
sad state

>dt2 and 2-2 .exes both have 27 and 37 hits on virustotal
What? What is going on?

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>I wish for a new Wizardry game with Japanese Grimdark Aesthetic!
>It's Gachashit

Is there any way to mod Proving Grounds to make it similar to the PS2 Wizardry games yet?

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>no other series will ever top DT's perfect mix of frustrating autism and comfy retardation
how do i cope with this
There's that new Tokyo Clanpool game coming out soonish, once again not on Steam for some occult reasons, but it looks a bit too barebones for my tastes

>>3655224
I think it's Johren's insanely dumb DRM
I had actually bought 2-2 off it some time ago but eventually had to pirate it since my AV kept deleting the .exe

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>>3654824
>Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk
worth it?

>>3655353
>I had actually bought 2-2 off it some time ago but eventually had to pirate it since my AV kept deleting the .exe
I read the exact same thing on nyaa. How weird.

Playing DT2, learned yesterday that you cannot stack Delibitating Salsa.

Does anyone have advice for dealing with Echidna, outside of crowning?

bro this is pathetic

>>3655508
Welcome to buying games that aren't on Steam/GOG
The game's old enough anyway so the only sensible option is to pirate it

>>3655559
I always assumed that applying the same type of buff/debuff simply refreshed the duration, no way this kinda game lets you stack stats like that (Magical Princess my beloved)

>>3655599
Looks like all dances can't be stacked, but my idea was to stack Salsa since its guaranteed damage. 3800 DEF is a bitch to cut through, even with a Witch + MP

Are we playing Tokyo Clanpool?

>>3655426
It's alright

>>3655559
>Does anyone have advice for dealing with Echidna, outside of crowning?
Been a year since I've done DT2 so it might not work as much as I remember.

Enchantress -> Magical Princess should have Fire Enchant for your Joker for maximum damage. Alternatively, Enchantress -> Sage is also a good option for Dispel in exchange for a chance based dispel and less DPS.

Joker should go for Danger Shoot instead of Mad Zapper. Enchant her with Fire Enchant for increased damage then use Berserk from Therian Seal + Trump Card. Go get Slaughtering Daeva for her if you still don't have it.

Etoile should go Samba + Hopak when you can hit the boss, Waltz if the boss goes RES100. Use Salsa only if you want to go defensive like when the boss is in RES100.

>>3655426
unironically sufferslop done right
play galleria too

>>3656199
Should have stopped typing after sufferslop.

>>3655634
>on GOG
>but not on steam
fucking amerimutts
I'll buy it to support it

>>3656221
you really should have sworn off steam after chaos head, i warned all of you it would only get worse from there on, nobody believed me
expect a rocky year too because goylems are going to be extra pissy against japan due to orange voldemort

Wizardry Daphne is giving out compensation for the fucked up start in about 8 hours, if you had any interest in the game, might be a good opportunity to download it and grab the free shit.

>>3656310
Does it have jap audio that works with english interface yet?

>>3656310
>gachaslop
who the fuck cares

>>3655645
>>3656199
noted

>>3656224
>after chaos;head
It did end up coming out on steam too tho?

>>3656377
yes but who the fuck is going to trust steam after that?

>>3656398
Everyone. People who give a fuck are maybe 1%.

>>3656398
I feel like there's too much overlap between the people that "care" and the people that pirate all their VNs anyway.
I got it on GOG because it was cheaper in my region tho.

>>3656465
Lol.
Lmao even.

>>3656467
What are you even trying to imply? I guarantee you that it sold 100x or more on Steam that on GOG.
Just look at the number of reviews, it has like 1k on steam vs 3 (three) on GOG.

I can't figure out how to make Kaguya work in MS2. Maybe I should just replace her. I thought going Speed Gunner into Sniper and focusing on normal attacks (for random encounters at least) with turnaround might be good, but evidently it's not.

Does Pokemon Mystery dungeon count as a real dungeon crawler and if not what's missing that could improve it?

>>3657210
Different genre, it's a traditional roguelike, not a DRPG/blobber. No fault on you getting confused, these are both the worse genre names around.
It's not that it isn't a "real dungeon crawler" (obviously casualized for the Pokemon audience but still follows the footsteps of Rogue, Nethack, and the other Mystery Dungeon titles), it just that it plays nothing like stuff like Wizardry, Etrian Odyssey, Labyrinth of Refrain, etc.

I played galleria and I didn't like the endgame much where it felt like grinding was necessary and big number > strategy
I'm looking for a blobber with a lot of classes and abilities that feel like you're rewarded for commiting to exotic combinations, and if possible none of that prestige bullshit N1 loves to shoehorn in their games
is dungeon travelers 2 better in that regard or what game would you recommend me ?

>>3657273
I can't speak for the other games mentioned, but Dungeon Travelers 2 is quite good
>check when I downloaded the ROM
>December 21st 2023
Jesus christ I've been playing it consistently for a year now.

>Dungeon of Erotic Master Plus
it kinda takes away some fun when every attack ends in sex

>>3657391
A lot of eroge with gameplay struggle to get the cadence of text scenes , h-scenes, and gameplay right.

Do I just split my Valk character into investing into cover/defender/mag party guard/mag phys guard for DT2?

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>>3655426
Yeah

>>3657565
You'll max them out eventually but yeah all of those skills are great. Daedalus Attack too.

Fellas, how do I subclass in EO4? All my active party members are level 43ish but I can't figure out how to subclass them. What's the best combination of classes for
>landshark
>fortress
/
>runenaster
>medic
>sniper
?

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>>3657648
Subclasses for my last EOIV playthrough were as follows:
Landsknecht > Bushi
Fortress > Dancer
Dancer > Nightseeker
Sniper > Arcanist
Runemaster > Medic

I'll spare you the details but you'll want to prioritize subclasses with skills/passives that make the main class stronger (see landshark, sniper) or provide extra utility and allows you to fulfill more roles (see Fortress, Runemaster).

>>3657648
just bee urself
the anon above already gave you the most "optimal" combinations

>>3657684
Thanks for the help anon

I've been playing Wizardry The Five Ordeals, which is surprisingly fun, but the last boss of the tutorial scenario is nuts. His single-target attack poisons, petrifies and beheads at the same time, and his breath deals insane damage. What am I supposed to do?

What are the best drpgs I can play on switch right now?

>>3658408
etriams

>>3658486
Played them I need something new

>>3658554
Labyrinth of Refrain? It has a sequel as well

you play rpgs for the story not the gameplay. what are some dungeon crawlers I can enjoy without enjoy the tile based dungeon crawling?

>>3658709
IDK

>>3658554
The Lost Child
Kowloon High School Chronicles

>>3658709
>you play rpgs for the story not the gameplay

Wrong, you play them for the atmosphere and the grid crawling is part of the atmosphere.

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>>3658408
>>3658554
Sega AGES Phantasy Star

>>3658798
>Kowloon highschool Chronicles
Holy shit this looks so cool if I played this as a teenager it would probably be part of my personality

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>no dungeon crawler has matched Wizardry Tales of the Forsaken Land since it came out

How can you all stand all of these lesser products?

>>3659748
you haven't even played busin 0 you angokike

>>3659911
Shit was bussin fr fr no cap

>>3655791
Tried out Fire Enchanting my Joker + Fire Enchant + Trump Card + Hopak + Samba. Don't have access to Therian Seal

Somehow Joker Danger Shoot is still only hitting 3 damage, with Slaughtering Daeva. I'm at a loss, does Fire Enchanted attacks still count as Physical Damage?

>>3659748
I'm really enjoying the game but spamming team attacks or whatever feels lame and not wizardry.

>>3657684
What about EO3's subclasses? I've got
>Hoplite
>Gladiator
/
>Arbalest
>Monk
>Zodiac
and the team worked pretty well up until 3rd stratum, but I don't know where to go from here. I'm thinking about making either Hoplite or Zodiac a Ninja to either line guard or dark zodiac both rows, and making the Arbalest take Gladiator for extra damage seems like an obvious pick, but that's about it.

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>>3659921
>Don't have access to Therian Seal
Go get it now, you need to complete a set of events from Souffle to get them, ending at the Abyssal Darkness. A free Berserk for anyone is one of the broken stuffs in DT2. Its even better than High Risk High Reward.Gamefaqs should have a guide for this.

>Somehow Joker Danger Shoot is still only hitting 3 damage, with Slaughtering Daeva. I'm at a loss, does Fire Enchanted attacks still count as Physical Damage?
It should be still Physical Damage. Are you at max level already? I assume so since you got Slaughtering Daeva already. You need to push as many ATK to your Joker as possible, and your Etoile needs to work hard reducing the god's defense and resistance to maximize the damage.
If you still can't defeat the Ice Cave god boss and want to, going for a defensive slugfest with Salsa is an option too but expect the battle to last long, you might as well bring 2 Etoiles with you just to speed it up for a bit.
As for the pic, subtract 50 points to its whole stat to see how much her stat is uncrowned, and a high grade customized armor is always a good alternative.

>>3660256
I appreciate the advice. I'm pleased to say that swapping my Joker for a Witch worked out, and Echidna is dead.

>>3660289
I forgot that Witch is also an option since she got non-elemental spells that can bypass the boss' RES100. Its just that Witch in post game falls really hard that theres no reason to use them at all. Irina was built to be one but the moment you get her, she falls off hard unless you made her into a Magical Princess or let her stay as a Sage.

Gear Castle god boss will definitely push your shit the hardest, and make sure you got that Therian Seal and Leaf before fighting her there. Go make a Mistress before fighting her since you need one.

Are there no good maps for DT2 and 2-2 other than that jp wiki?

Please help I'm trying to find the name of a turn based (? It looks like it was one I only saw 1 picture like a month ago) JRPG where the aesthetic of the battle UI was brown/wood grain texture. I think there were 3 or 4 anime girl party members, an HP and MP bar. Artstyle was super cutesy anime waifu style, I believe the battle layout were all artwork sprites instead of models. Pls help me figure out the game it's been stuck in my head for a month now. It might be a non DRPG I can't remember

>>3659944
As opposed to spamming regular attacks?

>>3660462
When do you ever just spam regular attacks in wizardry?

>>3660487
For the majority of encounters.

>>3660329
Longshot guess but it's not this indie game is it? Not a DRPG though.

https://x.com/_CrescentSun/status/1746140041066512748

>>3660462
Yes unironically. Feels more wizardry than stopping two thirds of my front row from taking damage by throwing a one damage knife.

>>3660256
Jesus christ, the Therian Seal almost feels like cheating. Guilty Reqium went down pretty smoothly

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Is it worth playing?

>>3660550
the later level enemies can do that too so it gets balanced out. they will magic cancel and block non combo attacks and break your combos with stuns etc.

>>3661691
not a drpg eceleb dicklicker

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Mary skelter 2 is dirt cheap on switch. Any good?

>>3662293
Possibly the worst DRPG I've played, and I've played a lot of garbage. The gameplay feels like a very, very, very cheap knock off of DT, except with basically zero depth and zero enjoyment. The story is whatever, but the endless drivel back and forth between the girls and the side characters is extremely drawn out, they talk for hours and say nothing. And I say that as an enjoyer of slice of life and cute girls doing cute things genres. What a waste of a genuinely interesting setting.

>>3662301
Damn, that's kinda sucky to hear. Been in the mood for a crawler but I've played most everything on switch

>>3662293
way too formulaic. the gimmicks or setting may or may not carry the otherwise bland game but that depends on your preferences.

>>3662368
What do you mean "formulaic"? Please elaborate.

>>3662301
>*deranged goylem noises*
grim

>>3662385
>Expecting people spewing copypaste anti-japan/anime drivel to actually elaborate.
Lmao.

>>3662477
>I can't think of a single good thing to say about the game, what to do
>I know, here's some ad hominems, that always works!
Truly grim. You cannot even imagine how grim it is.

>>3662483
>it bad because it suck, trust me bro
lol

>>3662486
I do believe I've laid out fairly clearly what my gripes with it were. If you like the game so much, why don't you talk about what exactly you like about it? Unless, of course, you're just trying to stir shit up, which is starting to seem increasingly likely.

>>3662385
every dungeon has same enemy types that just change models, theres the small guy, the tall guy and the big guy and even within the same dungeon theres recolors of these. every dungeon has a shortcut staircase that goes from bottom to the very top. like, you do maybe 2 dungeons in ms2 and you'll see the blueprint thats recycled for all content. sure there's gimmicks to make it seem like theres variety but there really isnt.

>>3661999
It's not about balance for me it's just the feel of wizardry being a bit off. I should give it another shot though I'm only on floor 2 or 3.

>>3658819
so there's no dungeon crawler with a solid story?

>>3662773
The Labyrinth of Refrain/Galleria games have pretty involved stories, they're basically like half VNs, half DRPGs.

>>3662773
Most SMTs have solid stories at least, even the older ones. In my onion, I'd vote for Strange Journey or IV having the best story, if you haven't already played them.

>>3662773
A dungeon crawler with a good story is like porn with a good story.
The actual quality is irrelevant, first and foremost you need to be a special kind of autismo to appreciate it in the first place, otherwise you will just consoom what you came for and leave.

>>3662917
>A dungeon crawler with a good story is like porn with a good story.
highly preferable

>play Elminage Original
>having a lot of fun, play it to the end, want more
>get Elminage Gothic
>not having fun, restarted 3 times, always stop around 3 dungeons in
I don't get it

>Finally start playing dungeon travelers 1.
>Instantly beeline to the settings menu out of habit of changing it to JP audio, etc.
>Playing with controller as well because comfy.
>It has an option to have circle/B as confirm and X/A as cancel.
I cri everyiem.
So beautiful.

>>3662140
And you will never be a woman.

>>3663316
I have never been able to get into Elminage Gothic. Everything about it is something I should like but it just doesn't do it for me and I have no idea why. I always just get bored and stop playing.

>>3664810
It just feels tedious somehow. The classes are all nerfed, the dungeon progression is linear, the experience gain is REALLY slow, you don't really find any interesting treasure, encounters and exploration feels tedious, and the story has no charm to it. There's some theoretical endgame stuff that sounds compelling but having to slog through the very unfun early game to get there just doesn't feel like it's worth it.

I like these but I want a good one that is not EO

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>>3654824
Are there any explore-focused drpgs like legend of grmirorck 2?

>>3663076
Porn with good story is kino

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Dungeon Travelers 2 question: JP wiki says there's a shortcut to Behemoth in Dawa Shrine and all it requires is a Sniper to open the class door, then going through the 2nd floor. But I've been all over the first 5 floors on the "downward" halves, and there's not a goddamn shortcut I can find.

Been a hot minute since I've been in Dawa so all my memory of the layouts is gone. Am I doing this wrong?

>>3665194
The Sniper door and one-way door on 2F were opened, to be specific.

>>3665194
>>3665196
Disregard, there was a second Sniper door further up

>>3665196
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/406622-dungeon-travelers-2-the-royal-library-and-the-monster-seal/faqs/80753/dawa-shrine

You gotta play with the teleporters alot. Even revisiting the god boss can be annoying because the path can be confusing. Its easier if you got a full map though.
What I know is the no Class restriction path starts at the top floor going back down to 6th floor.

>>3665107
dungeon master and chaos strikes back

Quick query about DT2
Is the level reset always at lv 30 max or does it ever increase to letting you reset at higher level
With Maid classes, how good would Ist be with Diva or Etoile? I was wondering to replace her as my main maid user since she had the general boosts, but the other maid that you get earlier in the gsme (I forget her name), does she ever shine with the other two classes if I ever decide to respec for fun

>>3665729
Level Reset ranges are 1, 15, 30, 50, and 90. When it comes to Maids, both Diva and Etoile are good, but Etoile is definitely better as you get further in game. Mazurka and Waltz are honestly incredible, as well as the charm passive.

IMO Yuni is the best Maid character, but Ist is good, I've used her for my postgame Etoile.

>>3665743
Does mistress end up being the ugly duckling of the three final stages compared to the pure buff/debuff ones?

>>3662917
I read hentai for the plot, that isn't a joke.

>>3665756
Honestly yes, I'm not entirely sure what the idea behind that class was. Support with some extra damage? Whips aren't great so I dunno. I guess having another War Cry buffer helps but their skill kit is fucking bizarre.

>>3654824
Opinions on;
Undernauts
Metro Quester
Vaporum
Stranger of Sword City

Eyeing these because some are on sale

>>3665869
>Undernauts
Experienceslop
>Metro Quester
Felt way to barebones to be enjoyable to me
>Vaporum
Alright dungeon master/The Quest clone, nothing amazing.
>Stranger of Sword City
Slightly more polished experienceslop

>>3665884
>Experienceslop
Elaborate please, I haven't played their games before

>>3665911
play the one which looks most appealing to you to play all of them

>>3665869
>Undernauts
I really enjoyed that, but like the other anon said Experience kinda makes samey games. I like the format though so I don't mind. Really like the theme of dungeon crawling being a megacorpo wageslave job, and the presentation is pretty good. Classes having specialized and alt advancements is cool but there's not a huge variety in how you can build a party. Modding in portraits is complicated but possible.
>Stranger of Sword City
Grindy and a bit silly, but I had fun. Class system is a bit odd in that if you start multiclassing your characters are eventually going to turn very homogenized number printers that hit every target in every row and/or cast every spell. Story makes you pick a side by accident because you weren't paying attention to it and only looked at the upgrades that were tied to a faction.

I like Experience's wizardry-esque with a small twist format as long as I get to make a fully customized party and get to bring my own portraits. My standards are not high.

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>>3665770
>I read hentai for the plot, that isn't a joke.
People meme but I feel like a solid plot is something that makes it as memorable as the sex bits. Honestly I feel like that's half the problem with so much hentai these days. You just move from poorly shot sex scene to sex scene and there's no set up or framing or character. It basically just amounts to vacuous dolls in cosplay outfits thematic to whatever genre you're pretending to explore.

I want something like DT but with less confusing maps. Cute girls? Cool. Branching job system? Cool.

>>3665933
Picture not related surely, the 'plot' of words worth and especially the characters are fucking garbage.

>>3665945
Most old anime games are shit, this is not debatable. In fact anything before 2013 is unplayable

>>3665961
>Most old anime games are shit, this is not debatable. In fact anything before 2013 is unplayable
*laughs in True Love*

>>3665966
the Harry Potter of dating sims

I'm going to drop the PS1 port of Wizardry 1 and play the recent PC remake instead.

>>3665961
Upvoted kind saar.

>>3665911
This >>3665913
They are not really bad or anything, just pretty much the same game with a different paint job each time.

>>3665775
I can kind of see what they might have been aiming for. A sort of off tank/support class that you want to get hit now and then with some damage/support to it, but it doesn't really do that well enough and definitely not worth it compared to the other maid branches.

>>3666299
i still have no idea why the fuck do people still parrot this when every single game they make is different in some way with the only ones being similar being literal sequels
at this point i just have to assume westoids play jack shit and just pretend they do

>>3666302
Some of the uniting elements of Experience games:
>random loot system for getting equipment (I have never played a single game of any genre where this was fun)
>bad map design that feels randomly generated
>floating item collecting locations that feel thoughtless/random
>floating enemy encounter spots that just show you where you're going to have to fight something

In Undernauts the presentation they put on top of that was enough to carry it for me. Less so for their other games.

I liked Death Mark. They should make more weird games. They're not very good at Wizardry-likes. The Dark Spire is better than anything they've ever made.

Is it worth beating the superboss of Etrian Odyssey 1? I've done absolutely everything else. I know about the strategy of counting his turns and blocking his damage with a protector and everything. It just seems very rng as you have to hope he doesn't use one of the moves that just kills/entangles your whole team. Anyway I don't really care at this point beyond the embarrassment of quitting a game when I'm right before the final boss, but I want to move on to another rpg.

Also my party is protector/landsknecht/medic/survivalist/troubadour and i have pretty much optimal builds for them

>>3666331
yeah
the superboss has a set pattern and most of the fight is figuring it out

>>3666335
I know his pattern. The problems are:
- From 75% to 50% hp he can bind every part of my whole team which means I basically just die in the next few turns.
- From 25% to 0% hp he can simply insta kill every party member
- You can disrupt his pattern by using too many buffs which forces him to purge your buffs, but the turn after doing so he picks a random move that probably kills you
- To beat him you basically have to hope he does not use these moves

>>3666348
>- From 75% to 50% hp he can bind every part of my whole team which means I basically just die in the next few turns.
I don't remember this being much of an issue. I think I used accessories to nullify the more troublesome binds on key members.
>- You can disrupt his pattern by using too many buffs which forces him to purge your buffs, but the turn after doing so he picks a random move that probably kills you
You don't want to bring a troubadour to this fight. You don't want to trigger Resolve at all

>>3666331
>worth beating
That’s for you and only you to decide. But, like you, I didn’t want to give up with just one boss left. For reference here’s my strategy:

Protector, Medic / Survivalist, Troubadour
Team of 4 so I can set up 2 party wide buffs without triggering the randomizer (plus one elemental buff on the troubadour so she can get some damage in when she has nothing else to do.) Protector alternates between Smite and Front Guard on free turns. Medic sets up boosted Immunize on free turns, timed so that it never runs out, and heals or attacks with Caduceus on free turns. Survivalist attacks. Troubadour sets up attack buff on 1st turn, then elemental buff on herself, after that either uses items (boost recovery for Medic, TP recovery, or HP recovery when Medic’s heals can’t keep up) or attacks. I also gave the Protector an anti-bind accessory. I was able to beat him in about 25 turns with no deaths.

>>3666331
>>3666359
Wait, I think I’m misremembering and I actually had party-wide HP regen on the Troubadour instead of the attack buff.

Is there any reason to go with Strange Journey DS instead of Redux?

>>3666914
Several, but if you never played the first then you won't likely notice how jarring and terrible the additions are. You can play either one on your hacked 3DS, though, so fuck it.

>>3666326
>Those 4 points.
Are the only DRPGs you have ever played just experience games and EO?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1053390/Kowloon_HighSchool_Chronicle/
Taste.

>>3666914
the story additions are sewage and ruin the otherwise perfect atmosphere
if you don't care about that then sure just play redux

>https://store.steampowered.com/app/470300/Winged_Sakura_Demon_Civil_War/
Do I spend a whopping $2.50?

>>3666927
>>3667025
Guess I'm going with the DS version then, thanks

>>3666914
>>3667058
Atlus added on the usual OC donut steal but frankly the new dungeon is great. Both versions have their merits

>>3667041
It's basically aliexpress demon gaze
it's all right, worth the 2 and half bucks

>>3655426
Yes but you may have to change a bunch of settings to prevent it from crashing constantly.

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I need help, finding a game like Mary Skelter.
I state straight away: I do know there are better Dungeon Crawlers gameplaywise. I had a ton of complaints over MS' long as fuck sparse unrewarding dungeons. I think I would have had less issues if they either did more plot progression in tandem or put reasonably items in the treasure chests. I don't think I have issues with the combat 2 onwards (Finale fracturing the party was a pain at times, but it made me explore more varied strategies and adapt the party accordingly). I feel the difficulty on Hard was done right, the early game in particular makes you feel how crucial planning items and rationing the Mana pool with them is.
But there is something with the worldbuilding that simply isn't replicated. It isn't just fairy tale characters, it's also this prison and how it's used to make people band together. It made me feel the danger out there, with even walls being monsters and the environment itself trying to kill us. It made me value the cast more, Alice, Red Hood and Cinderella in particular, because of how this affected them and it was dependency on the team that made them stand together.
And I think it's a game like this I seek. Black Souls 1 actually replicated this somewhat as an accursed land of fairy tales you build up a dependable party over time.
And I think this is what I seek. Not necessarily fairy tales, not necessarily prison (if you have prison-themed games regardless I'm interested) and not even necessarily a dungeon crawler. If you guys have anything close to what I'm trying to say, even if one or two of those components is missing I want to try out.

>>3667473
>But there is something with the worldbuilding that simply isn't replicated. It isn't just fairy tale characters, it's also this prison and how it's used to make people band together. It made me feel the danger out there, with even walls being monsters and the environment itself trying to kill us. It made me value the cast more, Alice, Red Hood and Cinderella in particular, because of how this affected them and it was dependency on the team that made them stand together.
i doubt you are going to find anything similar because MS was pretty much just a LN, to the point it even had literal tie in LN volumes

>>3666302
Because their games are mostly the same classes using mostly the same abilities with some minor QoL changes and one or two different gimicks depending on the title.

>>3667473
Both Devil Survivor maybe.

>>3667473
Try King Exit if you can read nip.

>>3667381
I didn't have many problems with the pc port but I played with japanese text. I read that playing the game in english is very buggy or something. the game still crashed a lot in umbra towers but that was due to some memory leak issue that I managed to fix by simply selling a shitload of equipment that I wasnt using. I think having your inventory bloat too big will start crashing your game and the issue becomes more apparent when combined with umbra towers inherent memory leak issue.

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These two are kicking my fucking ass, wow what a big difficulty jump

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what is this weird instinct that makes a man want to just go recklessly deep into a fucking claustrophobic deadly man-made(?) dungeon to find treasure?
what the fuck is it
it has to be divine, I refuse to accept it's just eons of evolution combined with dopaminergic drive

>>3669488
Reddit post

>>3669493
you're right, I was a little euphoric writing it
won't delete it though, I still find it excitingly interesting

>>3667477
I mean, you are not wrong but...
>>3668190
>>3668191
NIce, Devil Survivor is for 3DS so I can use it with more convenience, while King Exit has this prison aesthetic.

>>3669493
You will always be a newfag.

>>3669488
>ahhh this dungeon! it is made just for me!

>>3669488
>>3669541
you take the piss but look up the cave-explorer community
they will unironically squeeze themselves through impossibly tight sharp holes just to explore more cave, it's insane

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>>3669488
>>3669561
Never 4get. Bro dungeon crawled too hard.

>>3669488
check out this post I've just seen
>>>/vg/504436053

Anything noteworthy in the current Steam sale?

>>3670050
>steam
>actually promoting good jp games
lmfao

>>3666914
Redux is a better overall game but the new story and endings are like the TDE in Nocturne where they miss the message of the original version of the game.

>>3670050
DT1 is on sale

>>3670070
Not in my cucked country apparently
Although I think I'm kinda tired of DT after 2 and 2-2 last year

>>3670066
Fuck off.

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>>3669488
The evolutionary (or even intentionally manmade) reasons for such stories/instincts might be to encourage bravery in the hunting and gathering lifestyle. The fun epigenetic explanation might be that at some point in prehistory a man or group of heroes literally had to go underground to rescue a woman or women kidnapped by some competing nocturnal race of early humans. But "journeying to the underworld to rescue someone" does show up a lot in worldwide mythology, and even Christianity in the Harrowing of Hell.

There's a lot of things that don't add up in comparative mythology and raise a lot of major questions for me about the world we live in. Why did so many cultures, completely separated for thousands of years, all believe in races of "Little People" who lived underground, had supernatural powers, and could spirit children away? What was so enduring about this kind of mythos that it stuck around for millennia?

>>3670267
the scary part is that you sound like an AI, but also my friend with whom I would talk about this at his place, with a window view pointing to still clear milky way, at 3 o'clock
I probably butchered this, I'm an ESL
we're in our 30s now, he ended up with bachelor in philosophy and continued into masters in economics (no idea how this works lmao), I got into electrical engineering
we met after half a decade of not contacting reach other
it's still there, this weird spark, this drive to explore and understand, manifested so differently
but it's still there
both of us, independently, got into urban exploration

>>3670553
when i did my masters in psychology, there was a guy in my department who had a bachelors in engineering and was enrolled in the counselors masters program
no i don't know how that works either lol

>>3670267
>reasons for such stories/instincts might be to encourage bravery in the hunting and gathering lifestyle. The fun epigenetic explanation might be that at some point in prehistory a man or group of heroes literally had to go underground to rescue a woman or women kidnapped by some competing nocturnal race of early humans. But "journeying to the underworld to rescue someone" does show up a lot in worldwide mythology, and even Christianity in the Harrowing of Hell.
>>3670553
I'm not versed in evolutionary traits beyond just physical characteristics but I remember someone mentioning stuff like fear of snakes and tales of dragons are vestigial from survival instincts against dangerous animals.
Not sure how much of a joke it was either but I saw some posts once talking about the male instincts to slay demons together.

So it isn't far-off to me to imagine dungeon crawling and fighting bosses are something ingrained to explore, fight and survive.

Does anyone know any hard numbers for the DT2 drop rate increases with the DLC item?
I've killed dozens of Morrighans trying to find that fucking Brinhildyr Plume. My setup is:
>TH with maxed Treasure Hunt
>Great Luck Fortune on another character
None of the guides I've found show specific enemy item drop rates either.

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>>3672111
Thats the setup I use, I even make sure TH will deal the final blow.
Man I remember how I too 8 damn hours just to hunt for a Holy Shroud. I'm completing the Libra Book on that time.

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>>3672607
Ended up giving up on it, turns out I didn't even need it.

Maid-Sensei was hard, but Satanail died like a bitch. Now the game is over. I've spent a whole year of my life playing this game and now it's over. The inevitable catharsis.

I hope 2-2 gets a translation.

>>3672868
I don't mean to gush some more, but man... Dungeon Travelers 2 was seriously one of the best games I've ever played in my life.

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>>3672868
>I hope 2-2 gets a translation.
No need to wait, it has one now.

>I've spent a whole year of my life playing this game and now it's over. The inevitable catharsis.
I spend half a year playing both 2 and 2-2. Alot of time even for a NEET. Its a blast, and my only gripe is that I got a bug that won't let me get Award 19 in DT2 which killed my all 50 Awards run on DT2.

>>3673079
Oh that's right, I forgot it's playable on PC in English.

I'm waiting for a Vita translation honestly, the portability of a homebrew Vita made DT2 significantly more enjoyable.

>spend 5 days on BF8 for a shitty reward!
God Etrian Odyssey 1 is such a fucking slog
I kind of appreciated the low number of shortcuts at first, but going back through the floors for random quests (that all have dogshit rewards besides maybe the ones that ask you to fight special bosses) and having to re-navigate floors are a fucking hassle
It isn't even hard at this point, it's just a resource drain and getting stopped for random battles all the time even if you stock up on the warding chimes is just tedious as shit
Do later games suffer from this? Or is it just 1 and its growing pains?

>>3673845
>God Etrian Odyssey 1 is such a fucking slog
thats all EOs, just for different reasons

>>3673845
Just don’t do the quests? The only ones that actually matter are post-game ones anyway.

>>3673845
But to answer your question, yes, quests in EO1 suck, but in 2 a lot of them nicely flesh out the setting and characters, and in 3 they made quests give XP so at least you’re getting more than shitty items.

>>3673875
the problem is basically every single jrpg has that one sidequest line that gives you the keys to the good ending or at least making it less of a fucking pain in the ass, and sometimes they are missable
just on drpgs alone galleria does this shit (though it isn't missable iirc) and it's fairly recent
it wouldn't surprise me people do sidequests automatically due to this bullshit

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>>3673159
Well, someone tried to do that but apparently, there are more work to do than a simple script transfer from PC to Vita.
Don't hope too much on that case then.

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Tower of Mask was released a couple of days ago.
I really like it. The horror elements work because fighting the scary enemies is often difficult and the mask weakpoint system is pretty fucking cool. I organically figured out the weakpoints but not the tackles until I reached floor 2 and it all feels very natural despite the game being pretty slow.
It's very concerned with resource management. Shields and weapons degrade and break, healing is limited only to potions, saving only to specific statues instead of quicksaving. So far the only "real level" I've played, floor 2, seems to loop back onto itself in clever ways.
Inventory is also a concern because you slowly accumulate spaces in increments of 2 as you explore and get pouches.
Secret hunting is lesser than Grimrock, as in you won't have to stare at walls since all the secret buttons are extremely obvious(think normal buttons) but that one secret with the smiling statue on floor 1 I just bumbled into, I don't think it was signposted anywhere and I was just trying shit.

Also, the survival horror tagline made a lot of sense once I discovered one secret weapon.

>>3674166
>not procedurally generated roguelike deckbuilder
finally some good fucking food

>>3673845
Bro just put an auto walk path inside the spring room and go do something else for 20 minutes.

>>3674267
THere is no autowalk in EO1

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>>>/jp/48424689
DT trilogy on PC, Japanese ver

More quest nonsense with EO1
The late game ones that require 10 rare item drops like 10 gold furs (not too bad because it’s a monster drop), but holy fuck the 10 angel wings? You can only get those as rare collection drops. I have fucking two. Save scumming with the HD quick save feature doesn’t seem to help.
Fuck me

>>3674431
>that exe name
what the fuck
also i vaguely remember someone posting on /v/ the link to what is essentially DT0

>>3674462
yes, it's the decade old original, I just used a screencap from that since i don't have any from the PC remake

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>>3674166
Playing this some more, it's really fun but it has a bit of an issue for secret hunters. Fake/secret walls are obvious on the map.

>>3674431
Speaking of DT
>Been playing DT1.
>The story was ok, got all party members.
>It instantly turns into a slog with like 3 different bosses being heal sponges with a pretty hefty DPS check to beat them.
>Manage to bullshit it anyway.
>The cannon girl in the battle area one shots everyone.
>The flower bitch on the forest area one shots everyone.
>The dancer boss on floor 11 is bullshit and one shots everyone.
What the fuck do I even do?

>>3674473
the extra area bosses are meant to be walls, but F11 boss should be totally doable, party?

>>3674470
quick amendment, I was mistaken. That wall was marked because it was a shortcut you unlock later in the level.

>>3674475
>Tamaki DL/SA Lv 37.
>Ikuno AS/KN Lv 37.
>Harumi my beloved PL/VL Lv 37.
>Konomi SO/WT Lv37.
>Charu PR/BS Lv37.
Tried to swap out Ikuno to grind Yuki but grinding is a slog in this game, so I decided against it.

>>3674481
welp I would give ikuno the boot for now, scouts didn't do me any good in mid game especially since I never had good weapons until deep in endgame
But you seriously have no maid leveled? Bards can buff up witches nicely but dancers are the easy mode, your party has already enough defensive strength and with an ATK debuff the enemy shouldn't stand a chance

(a class that pulls its weight but is 20 levels below everyone else is more valuable than deightweight)

>>3674484
The Dusk/Galleria brainrot is real, I made both Tamaki and Harumi into monstrous autoattack bots with the backrow mostly just healing and some damage, though daedaleus on Harumi is a good panic button.
Ikuno is also there largely for being a crit bot to interrupt chants and to be the item slave, which yes I'm aware is a role a maid could have done but I didn't like any of the maid girls and Yuki is the one I disliked the least.

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>>3674486
perhaps with some creativity it's possible to make a team around standard attacks, but I could never make it work past like 7F in 1
(I haven't played 2-2 that far but apparently Luco has a busted autoattack build)
This game is no doubt biased to special skills, especially since TP healing is plentiful, my bread and butter for any combat was berserk > whatever area attacks dispatch the enemy, or in some cases single attacks on specific asshole enemies.

Anyway here's a tip, take Silfa with Sango into the tower later on, after you revive her in battle you get an event that raises Silfa's agility PERMANENTLY which is an absolute godsend, no need for flat chest parties

>>3674494
>Spoiler.
What the FUCK.

>>3674448
There are harvesting spots for those

>>3674293
Skill issue, there is in the HD version

>>3674535
>Skill issue, there is in the scam version
grim

>>3674473
Is it worth going back to DT1 if you have already run through 2 and 2-2?

>>3674656
I have no idea, I have not player either of the latter.

>>3674656
it depends
if you are on your 20s you can likely go back to older stuff without issues and ignore the lack of some QoL, but there's also the chance you will look like the nerd emoji when seeing some lack of the lacks of QoL namely the complete lack of point in the monstergirl sealing system because of the asinine pokemon-style mechanic
another big one is the classes that exist being far less developed, having far less of them, and seemingly 80% of the cast being either fighters or MUs
that said, it's a DRPG, the call of the seemingly infinite hole in the ground that leads to a dungeon will itch you enough to play it either way, and if you do, and get over the primary QoL problems mentioned above, it's a decently good time to mindlessly grindan

wheres the megalink for EOHD collection

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>>3674656
Unless you're interested on seeing the featured broken strats of the game or what plot it has, maybe not.
Some actually like the lack of Blacksmithing there as you rely on drops instead of minmaxing your AGI and Speed through blacksmithing.
Personally, DT1 being a spinoff of a VN can be a turn off too since I didn't played the original source and also that theres no way to speed up the Crown grinding there and I liked getting all awards in DT2 and 2-2 so thats another reason for me.

>>3674911
I'm an old, old man and suffer from a severe lack of Dungeon Crawlers I haven't already played so the lack of QoL is probably not a big issue.

>>3675044
From both you and previous anon it sounds like it is mostly QoL that it is missing and that the crawling is still acceptable so I'll probably give it a go at some point because older DRPGs I missed are pretty much the only option lately.

How's Class of Heroes?

>decide to try dungeon travelers 2 from reading it here
>get blindsided by almost total ass ten minutes in
>expect the MC to either go full perv or turn into a stammering mess
>instead it goes completely unmentioned, come and gone with zero attention
...huh. Interesting. An anime MC that doesn't turn into a drooling retard and supporters that don't shit themselves if their skirt slips? Can go up there with the cast of Kamidori on the 'Not A Neanderthal' shelf.
Should I use DLC characters, or go without for the 'intended' experience?

>>3675183
A literal asset flip, and plagiarized to boot. I lost all desire I might have had to play it because of that.

>>3675199
>Should I use DLC characters, or go without for the 'intended' experience?
I wouldn't recommend it. They don't have story events and their abilities really aren't that useful. The DLC characters are basically stat blocks.

Don't care much for their costumes either compared to the main cast. And yeah, Fried's a good man

>>3674656
It was my favorite of the trilogy. The sequels made some under the hood changes that soured my postgame playthrough so I dropped both after 50 hours, while 1 I played start to finish with glee.

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Playing through Etrian Odyssey HD and trying to wrap up some quests before going further into the labyrinth but am stuck on “Prayer to the Stars”. Everywhere I looked said they drop from Canon Palms on floor ten but I don’t know where the fuck they spawn. If any of you autists know a spot they’re more likely to show up unless it’s just super rare it would be greatly appreciated.

>>3655312
>Is there any way to mod Proving Grounds to make it similar to the PS2 Wizardry games yet?
Never played the PS2 games but maybe the Super Nintendo collection of 1-3?

>>3675199
>An anime MC that doesn't turn into a drooling retard and supporters that don't shit themselves if their skirt slips?
It's almost like that's largely an anime-only phenomenon or something due to massively exaggerating the character's reactions, and the only times it bleeds to the source material is from authors that are just as anime-only ignorants as you are, which tends to be extremely telling due to their poor depth in writing.

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Oh hey, they're finally localizing Class of Heroes 3
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3301820/Class_of_Heroes_3_Remaster/

>>3675418
i really wonder who would even be interested in this plagiarized asset flip
would the steam sales even cover the porting costs of having an intern do it with the budget of a few instant ramen cups?

>>3675207
>>3675422
>plagiarized asset flip
qrd?

>>3675480
CoH1 is infamous for being a reskin of a PS2 Wizardry game (Wizardry XTH 2). They were “made” by different development staff and the company that made XTH 2 was already bankrupt at the time. CoH basically stole the source code.

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>>3675484
I mean the company sure as hell isn't going to be using those assets.
What should they do pay the bank for the rights to make a knockoff Wizardry?

The true tragedy was the loss of the equipment display system.

>>3675484
>company essentially makes an unofficial remake of an obscure Japanese PS2 game that was never localized and doesn't have a translation patch
>western publisher decides to localize the unofficial remake, whereas fan translators haven't touched the original
And why am I supposed to be mad exactly?

>>3675513
I don’t think anyone said anything about being mad. But as for me, considering that it’s a low effort reskin that reportedly changes a bunch of things for the worse and adds bugs that weren’t in the original, and considering also that I could just play the original game if I wanted, it’s hard to justify playing it. Coupled with CoH2 also being a notorious kusoge in its own right, I’m very skeptical about spending any time or money on this series. But again that’s just me.

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>>3675199
Fried is a good man. Guy is pretty focused on wanting to research monster girls. A problem for Melvy if she wants to win the Friedbowl.
Character interaction is one of the good things in DT2 but finding all of the events can be hard to get since the requirements can be pretty obtuse at times.

>Should I use DLC characters, or go without for the 'intended' experience?
The latter. DLC characters are basically from DT1 except from that one Spieler. DLC characters doesn't have events you can unlock so its mostly a waste of time.

>>3675418
So is 3 any better than 1 and 2? I might be willing to give it a chance if it makes some substantial improvements.

>>3676250
>Massive QoL changes/fixes.
>Most of the gamebreaking bugs fixed, most, and the few that remain can be fixed by just saving often.
>Way better balance.
There's no real reason to play 1-2 if you play 3, for better or for worse.
It's still not a great game mind you, but still a massive improvement.

>>3676296
Do classes get more than like one skill now?

>>3662773
Yes but that depend on what you consider solid.
However, most in my experience have a barebones plot and literally no characters.
>>3662917
Extremely retarded post.
Or, from a very underaged person.

>>3666914
No.

>>3674166
Thanks for the heads up anon. I like this game's spookier aesthetic.

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>>3669447
That's experience games for you
Suddendly you wonder if its all bugged

Japanese games are meant to be played in Japanese.

>>>/v/697396180

>>3677173
>water is wet
.....yes?
the post is still in this thread also anon >>3674431

>>3677173
Who plays DRPGs for the story? You are heroes. There's a dungeon. Go get em.

There. Story done.

>>3677218
I almost pity westoids.
Almost.

>>3677203
Sorry, buddy. Missed it.

>3677173
Sorry, not going to that awful board, 0/10 bait

>>3677484
It's not for you anyway.
You don't know Japanese or how to use 4chan extensions.

Damn, DT2 ain't fuckin around anymore. The first couple dungeons were calm and easy, the forest was tough with how huge it was but manageable, but now the temple is throwing full groups of mooks that all have 1-hit-kill magic that isn't getting interrupted even with 80-100 damage. Either I'm doing something wrong or the training wheels have come off in favor of stuffing them into a sock and beating me with them.

>>3677521
that's like the normal old-school DRPG experience
you are definitively doing something "wrong" because it's hypothetically possible to beat everything without grinding (as long as you consider full-mapping as you go and not running from encounters not grinding) with a specific strat party and key setups for turn order
more likely, and what most people likely do, you are expected to chill and pull back a little, grind some equips, then go back in after a few levels

>>3677527
>as long as you consider full-mapping as you go and not running from encounters not grinding
i.e. if you’re not a retard. This isn’t grinding by any definition of the word

>>3677528
it is for normalgroids, which is why they are always underleveled for everything, hence the clarification

>>3677531
Fair enough.

>>3677528
I've had people more or less argue with me that it is. It might have even been on this board.

>>3677550
There ARE retards in this board that do in fact believe non-mandatory combat encounter = grinding.
Not sure why, but not surprised much since I doubt normlafags actually like videogames

>>3677521
That's what great about the game. The difficulty increases like a slow boil. But you'll manage, better gear and better enchantments are always a way to better your party.

Playing Labyrinth of Refrain for the first time, am I meant to imagine that the Coven support members are stored inside Tractie like everything else and are magically linked to the attackers, or to imagine 30 niggas in a row blobbing through the hallways?

>>3678211
30 niggas in a row

>>3678211
both dusk and galleria show it is canonically an army of 30 shitters running around together

Touhou: Artificial Dream in Arcadia for half a buck on steam
Worth?

>>3677521
Get a papillon with lots of speed and agi up enchants to spam her aoe
Makes the game a cruise for several hours

>>3679604
Best SMT game since Soul Hackers bro

>>3679606
The bro makes me distrust

>>3679604
>>3679617
It's pretty great, just a well made game, good amount of content, especially as cheap as it is now
I bought it when it was on sale for 5 and it felt like a steal already

>>3679617
Best SMT game since Soul Hackers

>>3679604
Even though I know practically nothing about Touhou, I decided to get it since it was so cheap and SMT5V got me into Shin Megami. I have to give the Touhou guy credit. Man really sat down and decided he was going to make a series that was 99% female, drew like all of the designs himself, and said yeah, dude, we're going to have lolis that can nuke the planet and the universe like its nothing. Not only that, his series blew up and is one of the largest fanbases on the internet. I have to respect that level of autism. The only thing that maybe comes close to that is Undertale and Toby Fox.
>>3679606
>>3679629
Atlus really needs to port Soul Hackers 1, the devil survivor games, and 4+A to PC.

>>3679604
yeah its a pretty good SMT clone
the late to end game can be a slog but for that price its a steal

>>3678211
Me again, I just finished Rosatempus (the 3 towers and troll tunnels were great, the gnome kingdom sucked) and the story is getting on my nerves a bit desu. I'm still very much invested in the mystery of what the fuck is wrong with the town, and whoever spread misery through all the worlds we visit, but I could not give any less of a shit about the "least insane lesbian couple" plot.

Are we not talking about Tokyo Clanpool?

>>3679965
Only after it gets an uncensor patch.

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>mfw trying to play DT2 and 2-2 on an AMD GPU
Jesus Christ, it's just crash after crash after crash, even with DXVK.
The first game worked without issues. Dunno what the deal is with the other two.

>>3679995
Fair enough. I also haven't bothered even pirating it. I do find the combo battle system interesting, though.

>>3680024
Where to even pirate, I don't care about censorship, I just want to play but I don't have 35 bucks.

>>3680053
cs rin ru is pretty good. Try looking for it over there.

>>3680057
Not on csrin yet. Somebody has to buy the gog version and post it there, which did not happen yet.

>>3680008
Do you have direct x installed?

>>3680122
You mean this?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8109
If so, then yea.

So where do I get DT2 that isn't going to either put malware or DRM that's basically malware on my PC? Curious to try it out but damn is it not worth the effort to buy.

>>3679713
>Atlus really needs to port Soul Hackers 1,
Old version is already available unofficially and Atlus USA employees have gone on record in the past saying they don't (usually) relocalize games fans have translated. Would still be nice to have an updated rerelease based on the 3DS port.
>the devil survivor games,
These might happen someday but I kind of doubt it. Expect Etrian tier slop job port
>and 4+A to PC.
Expect a full remake before a faithful port, even though the remake will be a sidegrade in the best possible case scenario.

>>3680172
nyaa

Any good blobbers / drpgs on steam sale? Already bought up Touhou: Artificial Dream in Arcadia. Thinking about getting legends of amberland 2, is it any good?

Please someone buy Tokyo clanpool and upload it, I'm begging you

>>3680172
Someone on /jp/ shared them. Post was linked earlier ITT.

>>3680763
censored goyslop is not even worth pirating

>>3680626
Fight Knight
Ruzar
Islands of Caliph

>>3677550
>>3677563
It's a weird idea that doesn't make much sense, but people conflate Farming with Grinding as well. I realised a while ago that nobody knows what terms like these mean anymore, which makes it especially annoying because you can no longer tell whether a person thinks the game is grindy because they suck at the game or because it actually does require a lot of grinding exp or farming drops. User Reviews are always praised as the gold standard, but I can't see them as being reliable at all when the vast majority of players barely even attempt to understand the mechanics in the first place and hardly play many games at all to have the context for them even if they did. You see a similar sort of thing with mods for games, where often a change that drastically alters the entire game's balance and goes against the core design philosophy is treated as a harmless QoL change by the majority of players.
Not that I am immune to this because I'm so smart and better than others, I used to unfairly criticize games all the time and probably still do occasionally without me noticing.

>>3681053
get used to it because by now english has fully devolved into glorified ebonics
words barely mean things anymore

>>3681304
Hypocrite that you are, for you are the ultimate nigger.

>>3681304
What's with the random racism? Not cool man

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Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar vibe check?
It is 90% off...

>>3681978
I tried it when it released because there was some hype surrounding it and found that half the stats didn't do shit, but I've heard from people who have completed the game since that he has solved most launch issues
Seems to have become something of a cult classic, but with the dev history it's really hard to tell if the game is actually any good or if it's just a giant shitpost by everyone involved
Sorry if that wasn't helpful, but I'd recommend just trying it out yourself and refunding if you don't like it

>>3681978
I’ve never played it and never will but I’m glad the dev is out there being based and making goofy games that he likes. God bless him.

>>3680763
>Tokyo Clanpool Deluxe Edition-Razor1911
Well, you got your wish. It's up on torrent sites.

>>3681978
>600 hours long
>no acheivements
ya dude if i beat a 600 hours long game in the current year i'm gonna need an achievement for that thanks

>>3682967
>cheevo goylem
ngmi

>>3682943
It's in the queue for gog-games too now

>>3654824
Just downloaded wizardry ps2 rom. Looks comfy

>>3683121
Just gotta wait for it to be uncensored now.

>>3683125
Busin Wizardry is one of my favorite rpg, hope you enjoy.

It's up.

Is manual mapping required for Megami Tensei 2? FC version, not Kyuuyaku (I know that one has an ingame map)

>>3683546
Yes it does. There is a map spell too

So has anyone played Tokyo Clanpool? Is it any good as an actual game? There don't seem to be multiple difficulties and only 4 playable characters, reviews note some cool character building options, but when even game journos call the game rather easy I probably won't even bother with it

>>3684174
Everything I saw made it look like just 99% hit auto fight to win and that random encounters are every few steps so I gave it a miss.

>>3683546
the ingame map is somewhat limited but unless you have alzheimers its good enough

>>3681978
The history of the game makes it near impossible to get a proper, unbiased opinion, you're just gonna have to look up gameplay on youtube and make your own call. Just know that it's very old school, given that it started development when wizardry 7 was new. If you're used to modern conveninces in your dungeon crawling, be prepared as there's none of it here.

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been playing through tower of mask after some anon recommended it in this thread
enjoying it quite a bit
its like shadow tower mixed with grimrock

>Still no clanpool XCI

Do you guys think hypothetically if I won the lottery I could pay the Labyrinth of Touhou devs to make a first person remake?

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Anyone here tried out Path of the Abyss? Still trying to figure out what the hell is going on with the battle system and the machine translation being 2 steps from word salad at any moment doesn't help but the soundtrack kicks ass

https://vocaroo.com/1e9BsgCvkALs

>>3686335
I didn't touch it because
>Early Access

>>3655559
>Does anyone have advice for dealing with Echidna, outside of crowning?
Use salsa, the cleaning buff, and have your maid defend for faster turns. iirc Echidna doesn't resist non elemental attacks like rose queen. Ist is the fastest maid, use her if that's an option.

>>3655426
The story's not bad and the dungeon exploration is pretty unique. The combat is really bad though. You basically just autoattack through the whole game

>>3680172
The nyaa version is cracked and myself and many other anons have played it and confirmed it is safe, but it does still scare some antivirus software.

>>3674166
>tackles
Explain.

>>3686335
Wow this looks right up my alley. Is it totally illegible with the translation?

>>3686612
Its roughest when it comes to abilities, mechanics and their descriptions but the rest of it is serviceable. The first warrior attack skill you get is translated as "Running Away" when it pretty much does the opposite

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I'm playing Vaporum right now.
It's a pretty good Legend of Grimrock clone, so far.

>>3686536
the game explains it
when you attack an enemy's weakpoint, move into them to do damage and swap positions

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>>3686788
I beat the game without ever doing that.

>>3686536
One of the floor 2 signs tells you about it. Moving into a stunned enemy(after hitting their weakpoint) initiates a tackle which deals extra damage(without impacting weapon durability) and swaps positions.
It unfortunately really showcases some of the jank with collision in the game since I assume there's some anti spam mechanic preventing you from just tackling them back and forth, which can lead to enemies immediately exiting out of the stun phase and stepping back, but there will exist a space in front of you that you will not be able to move into until the enemy steps back into that space.

>>3686672
Kek. Maybe it makes the enemies crap their pants and run away

>>3654824
Are there any of these that are Western/Cowboy themed??
Could be anime-y or not I don’t really care about that

When the fuck is Tokyo Clanpool getting uncensored. It IS going to get an uncensor patch, RIGHT?

>>3654824
Want to start first Legend of Grimrock, any advise/tips?

>>3691203
Diversify your team, and import custom images.

>>3691203
just bee urself

>>3689085
Lol. After EAS turning out to be a scam that throws their fans under the bus, your best bet is a english patched vita version. Vita3k is getting huge improvments really fast and many games are already playable.

>>3691965
Even those worthless, lying and incompetent fucks at Ghostlight listened to people and made available a way of uncensoring Mary Skelter 2.
When even fucking GHOSTLIGHT is better, you know shit's real bad.

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I'm working on one. Still a long way to go, but hoping to finish a large demo in the next few months or so.

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>>3692051
Here's a shop.

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>>3692051
>>3692054
And another one you'll find in dungeons.

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>>3692051
>>3692054
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>>3692051
>>3692054
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>>3692051
>>3692054
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>>3692060
The art style for the characters is really good, very unique. Kinda has a Homies figures caricature feeling.

>shilling on /vrpg/
Rough buddy

>>3692051
Based. Link when demo is up

Not even going to give it a pity pirate.

>>3692128
Thanks. My brother does all the art, he'll appreciate hearing that.
>>3692172
Will do.

>>3692051
>>3692054
>>3692055
>>3692060
I mean. I bet someone will like it. But the artstyle is not good. Not only that, all you have are weird looking dwarfs and humans. Where are the cute girls? The token loli mage?

>>3692371
>Where are the cute girls? The token loli mage?
That's played out man, dwarves are the future.

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>>3692371
>>3692377

>>3692371
This was incredibly embarrassing to read

>>3692377
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>>3692445
>simping for a trash garbage homofaggoticus maximus DRPG whose developer has to desperately shill on fucking vrpg
Fucking shameful.

>>3692447
Meds
If he's not making a whole thread for it, I don't have a problem with it

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>>3686695
Okay, after a couple more hours, I'm starting to sour on Vaporum.
Encounter design is very bad. You're nearly always locked inside a small arena with multiple enemies. The enemies are also extremely tanky and you're not actually getting stronger over time, as enemies you fought in previous floors get stronger.
And there's the exploration. Very few secrets and the game tends to block access to previous floors for no apparent reason.
I'm really not having fun anymore.

>>3692526
play tower of mask instead

>>3692371
>>3692447
>Umm it just isn't good because you don't have cute girls right away
>*wags finger in your face*
>breaks down like every other newfag narcissist who isn't immediately agreed with
Kill yourself, nigger.