Lil bro can't even compete with an RPG that released over a year ago
>>365574354k is bad? Seems like Veilguard is on its road to win GOTY
>muh sales numberswho gives a shit? a game can be shit even if it sold 1 billion copies and it can be great even if it sells 12. fuck off you number autist tards.
>>3655759>who gives a shit?People who funded this great work probably want to have their investment back with adequate profit. Now it felt to 31 place in list of bestsellers (while BG3 is 8). So I kinda hope it fails to make profit to show executives that stuffing your game with inclusive message does not exempt devs from creating a decent game in the first place.
>>3655759This is the kind of retarded post you make when you fell for the "games are art" meme and can't comprehend the corporate world of financial realities.
>>3655768>great worklol, biotards
>>3655778sorry, shit strawman there bud, games are not art, they are above art. quality isn't determined by the masses, the masses are retards.
>>3655780>shit strawmanWell you're making the argument that profitability is irrelevant to a game's value, so a game's supposed artistic merit would be the only metric of value remaining in your view.It isn't my fault that you're too stupid to understand the logically implications of your own thoughts lol.
>>3655781>so a game's supposed artistic merit would be the only metric of valuewhat? are you retarded? its value is how good it is at its purpose.
>>3655743Pretty sure they have stated that Veilguard is doing well. It's also reviewing well. In spite of loud retards screaming woke.
>>3655804didn't they spend 10 years making it and dropped who knows how much money on it? i don't think doing well cuts it.
>>3655743Woke.Broke.
>>3655830BG3
needed more sex scenes and hotter romance options
>>3655743>Why did Veilguard flop so hard?Shit combat.Shit character designs.Shit writing.Shit gameplay mechanics overall.
>>3655759whether a game has good gameplay will always be a subjective matter. whether or not a game is a success financially is verifiable and therefore the only mature and concrete metric to use when comparing video games. the market doesn't care about your feelings, why should i?
>>3655868that metric means zero to me as a player, any metric is relative to the desires of who is measuring. i get no extra fun from a game selling more. the desires of investors and companies are objectively useless to me.
>>3655891So if you deeply enjoyed Veilguard, it still makes no difference to you if Bioware shuts their doors and a game like it is never made again, and if you despised Veilguard, it makes no difference if it was a resounding success and every RPG copied it for years to come.
>>3655898well, let's take bioware and dragon age as an example. say a person loved origins, it did well, did that lead to a similar game? has the quality gone up with each game and each success that bioware had for any of their games? success is quite often detrimental to a games continued quality, as the market, based on interest and dividends, is always seeking a greater share. so, as a player, these metrics are absolutely useless except as a tribalistic goad to attack my peers with sales figures, which doesn't interest me.
>>3655904>say a person loved origins, it did well, did that lead to a similar game?This exact phenomenon can be traced back to BG1, actually. For reference, Mass Effect's success directly led to DA2 and DAI. It's true the idpol shift was more a consequence of external factors and changing leadership, however.
3/5 Chuds. BG3 is woke trash.
>>3655743Remember when /v/ and /vrpg/ insisted BG3 was a flop?
>>3656100That was the schizo with a 100 proxies. Pretty much all hate comments about BG3 come from a single mentally ill person.
>>3655759The developers and investors do.This will have dire consequences on future of gaming. This shows that passion projects that set out to challenge the norms and do something different are not profitable and should never be made.
>>3655813>didn't they spend 10 years making it and dropped who knows how much money on it?Not how game dev works, especially big games. Pre-prod with a small team is not the same as full production. Besides, work from Anthem, the new Mass Effect and such was most likely re-used for this and parts of this will be used for the new ME. It wasn't made in a vacuum.Whatever 4chan wants to headcanon, at the moment Veilguard is selling well. Only game selling better on Playstation for instance is Call of Duty.Most people playing it also don't have "woke" on the brain the same way this board of lunatics do either.
>>3656150Pretty much every new game has those doomposters labeling them as flops. Elden Ring had those too.>>3656162>muh passionLol grow up
>>3656150>everyone who doesn’t like a game is “one mentally ill schizo”Please seek help, anon. I’m here for you if you need a hug.
I don’t give a shit Rasheed, go back to /v/.
>>3655759This is a shit game that is selling poorly given its development time and budget, faggot.
>>3655753It is. That shit should've been in the 200k+ like its weakest brand competitors
>>3655804Oh boy, they stated it, I guess that settles it
>>3656173>retooling the game and having people come and go and scrapping things and then delaying it for years is fine and business as normallol, c'mon now>"woke"oh, you're just having an emotional reaction
>>3656290>>retooling the game and having people come and go and scrapping things and then delaying it for years is fine and business as normal>lol, c'mon nowIt's not as uncommon as you think. Most projects aren't even announced before they're canceled and could've seen 4-6 years of development already. Then the devs can't even talk about it or show images/videos of their work because it's under NDA.>oh, you're just having an emotional reactionI'm the least emotional and irrational person you'll find on this board.But obviously all the "woke" shitposts and threads we have littering this board by people that haven't even played the game are clearly the clam, rational people here, right?If anything they're thin-skinned oversensitive people since they're so easily triggered by nothing. I'm guessing you're one of them considering your reply.
>>3656338anon, it's had a troubled development, this was known years ago.>I'm the least emotional and irrational person you'll find on this board.you find yourself here as a contrarian reaction to other people's political reactions, this means you are effectively an extension of their emotional reactions, thus, emotional. it's a light and shadow thing.
>>3655743the funniest thing about this shitshow is watching /v/tards backpedal and suck off bg3 and say it's not woke to shit on veilguardabsolutely fascinating stuff
>>3656364it's certainly comparatively less woke in some respects, bg3 is tv show woke. veilguard is twitter blog woke.
>>3656338>I'm the least emotional and irrational person you'll find on this board.You, me, and everyone else who lack self-awareness
>>3655753How are there people here who respect industry awards? Absolute NPC behavior.
>>3656375anon, it's called contrarianism and shitposting. nobody here, who loves rpgs, actually cares about this game in any way. this is just a mental game.
>>3656364BG3 is definitely woke but you have to be disingenuous if you claim that a CRPG having homosexual and non-White characters is on the same tier as>Here are some vegetables>So, I'm nonbinary
>>3656383it has trannies, and every second npc is black or gay not to mention the dreaded vitiligo
>>3656384there is even an npc who shadowheart used to be best buddies with who complains about being harassed for being trans and how shart stood up for him
>>3656384That was more or less what I said. On another note pretty much all these characters in BG3 can be killed if you really hate them, while in Veilguard you can't even side with Taash's mother or let alone be mean to anyone.
>>3656364BG3 has very good encounter design...So we pretend that we don't see that literally all gnomes in the game are gay.
>>3655743From what I can gather it's not some total flop.It's in the low-middle territory.Which might be pretty damn bad considering the troubled development....I think it's pretty safe to say EA suits are not satisfied. At all.
>>3656361>anon, it's had a troubled development, this was known years ago.Yeah, but so do most games, in case you're not aware. Not sure what your point is.>you find yourself here as a contrarian reaction to other people's political reactions, this means you are effectively an extension of their emotional reactions, thus, emotional. it's a light and shadow thing.Tip, when you're not very intelligent, don't try and write something clever or witty. The end result is the opposite. So far you also don't have a point and is just posting logical fallacies. i.e. shitposting.>>3656371What exactly am I not self aware of, pray tell? I'm not the one shitting up the board with non-stop threads and posts about how triggered I am about "woke" stuff for a game I haven't even played. Look at how many threads we currently have whining about Dragon Age Veilguard woke stuff (which it doesn't even have much of).The game does have issues, but these people clearly don't know about it and just want to whine about their "woke" boogeyman.Sounds like you're one of them.
>>3656464the point is they aren't getting as great a return as they would if they hadn't played musical chairs with developers and gone back to scratch several times.>So far you also don't have a point and isi do.>shitting up the board with non-stop threads and posts about how triggered I am about "woke" stuff for a game I haven't even playedu mad.
>>3655753>54k is bad?Not every everyone paid 1000 bucks for the game
>>3655759>it can be great even if it sells 12Are you a Concord defender lol?
>>3655854I didn't think the combat was bad. Agree with everything else though. Not sure how you can make something that bad writing wise. Makes Inquisition look like Shakespeare.
>>3656464>What exactly am I not self aware of, pray tell? I'm not the one shitting up the board with non-stop threads and posts about how triggered I am about "woke" stuff for a game I haven't even played. Look at how many threads we currently have whining about Dragon Age Veilguard woke stuff (which it doesn't even have much of).>The game does have issues, but these people clearly don't know about it and just want to whine about their "woke" boogeyman.>Sounds like you're one of them.You're not aware that your whole rant is irrelevant, for one.
>>3656474>the point is they aren't getting as great a return as they would if they hadn't played musical chairs with developers and gone back to scratch several times.No shit, but we don't know if the game is a flop or not yet. What a company expects is never in line with what players think is good or not.Square Enix is infamous for this, when games kept selling several millions that players thought were good, Square Enix said they were dissapointed. Yet then another game didn't do well according to players, yet Square Enix were happy with the numbers.>>3656487I'm aware it's irrelevant and a futile effort, because the people I'm trying to reason with aren't rational or open minded.Sometimes you forget after dealing with rational sensible people all day, that when you come onto 4chan, most people are just ignorant, irrational and close-minded idiots that mostly just want to shitpost.You right now prove me right, with your logical fallacies over discussion, simply because you want to shitpost and "win" a discussion to bring meaning to your empty life.Well whatever.
>>3655778>can't comprehend the corporate world of financial realitiesWhat financial realities have to do with how I enjoy a game playing it at home?
>>3655753it has worse numbers than a game that released last year.How is that not a disaster?
>>3656702>I'm aware it's irrelevant and a futile effort, because the people I'm trying to reason with aren't rational or open minded.>Sometimes you forget after dealing with rational sensible people all day, that when you come onto 4chan, most people are just ignorant, irrational and close-minded idiots that mostly just want to shitpost.>You right now prove me right, with your logical fallacies over discussion, simply because you want to shitpost and "win" a discussion to bring meaning to your empty life.>Well whatever.Tldr "i think i'm smarter than everyone"I also think that about myself. Feels good
>>3655753>>3656785This. It's in 38th place on Steamdb and it's only been out for 2 weeks. There's no way this is going to be GOTY.
>>3655743HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAFARMINGCHADS WIN AGAIN
>>3657064it ain't much, but it's honest vidya
>>3656480>I didn't think the combat was badit is, it is abominable
>>3657428It's probably world-class for people who enjoyed Dragon Age II's combat.
>>3655834In BG3 everyone was some kind of hot and they literaly didn't even have fat people in the game. Only unavoidable gay shit in the game is a pair of hot lesbians. Gay shit sells if you can jerk off to it, it doesn't sell when you can't. That's capitalism 101 for you.
>>3657428As an action game it is very solid. Calling it bad is moronic.If you prefer turn based grid combat, that's on you. But to me, that stopped being relevant 15 years ago when devs failed to advance that style of gameplay. BG3 proved how archaic it is while shit like Midnight Suns demonstrated what people that actually understand how to make good turn based games do.
>>3658876>As an action game it is very solid.It is ass with sponge enemies, barely any skills interaction, only low IQ nubers go up and cancerous UI. If this is what you subhumans consider ''good'' action gameplay i wheep for future generations.
>>3658929For an action RPG it is solid. If you now want to bring up DMC or something you'd be retarded because that kind of gameplay would not fit in an action RPG.The only other competition are games like Dragon's Dogma 2.
>>3658929>sponge enemies the game allows you to select custom difficulty, if you use the default hard or whatever that's your fault. only damage from enemies need to be cranked up, not their health.
>>3658933>the game allows you to select custom difficultyThis is called bad videogame design. If the game uses sponges with barely any other change to raise difficulty this means that the game is shit or is 20+ years old. Compare it to BG3 where enemies get additional consumable, abilities and tactics.
>>3658941Or to STALKER where raising the difficulty makes the combat even more deadly.
i haven't played either but i didn't even consider veilguard because it's by a tripe a studio so i just assume it requires a third party account, onerous drm, and has 50 bucks with of in app purchases. no idea if that's true. don't care enough to check.
>>3658941>This is called bad videogame designi don't care for custom difficulties, but it's not bad design. it's a design choice.you're also making excuses for being dumb enough to not customize the difficulty while whining about spong enemies when cranking up the default difficulty.>Compare it to BG3only time you should compare bg3 to anything is when to show what not to do, since bg3 does pretty much everything wrong. the difficulty balancing in bg3 is a joke. a bad one.
>>3658943>lower player and enemy healthhow revolutionary, that tends to just set the game up for cheese strats
>>3658951The game makes you think instead of just going in guns blazing? Are you implying that this is bad?
>>3658950>seething bioware tranny got filtered by BG3 combatKEK
>>3658954>The game makes you think instead of just going in guns blazing? Are you implying that this is bad?i'm not implying anything, i'm saying that having enemies and player health be lowered by difficulty results in players cheesing the game instead. which is the least interesting shit unless you're some cheesing minmax autist that gets off on that.there is actively less thinking going on since you'd be falling back on the same shit for the entire game.
>>3658955maybe you should play better turn based games if you think that's good. unless in whatever shithole you live you also tell people they're filitered for not wanting to eat pig shit while you gobble it down.
>>3657064kek
>>3658931>The only other competition are games like Dragon's Dogma 2.Which is bad as well. Morons at Bioware clearly saw the success of BG3, and its tactical, turned based combat system, but then went, nah, we don't want that, and went with a shitty system that they developed for their failed MMO trash that nobody played. They have true idiots at the helm of that company.
whats the point of off shoot /v/ boards if /v/edittors are still coming here to post the same political echo chamber threads every day?
>>3655743>GET WOKE GO BROKEFuck off, incel. It's a huge financial success DESPITE the brigading from incel nutjobs like you..>>3655753This. Remember that the game has sold at least 10x the copies, because most people would play this on console or on origin.
>>3655743Because it´s a bad game. Period. >Can´t import all those world shaping decisions from previous games>Can´t really make decisions on the game because the devs decided what kind of character Rook is beforehand>Body models suck. The game is stylized but you can´t exaggerate proportions that would highlight the differences between sexes (we all know why)>The tone is wrong (even by Inquisition standards) and blood magic´s been disallowed because devs deemed it problematic>Since companions are mostly disconnected from previous games most information is conveyed by exposition dialogue >Other dialogues just completely break immersion because they use 2024 real life lingo >Maps look ok at first but the silly puzzles, MMORPG tier chest and ziplines break immersion >Equipment screen´s been simplified again and items are basically tailored to each character so customization suffers yet another hit>Party members equipment screen´s even more reduced >Party member can´t die in battle, instead they are there just to trigger prime and detonation combos >Solas´s been demoted to an opening and closing act. So yeah... that´s not good. At least not for a main entry of an established IP. Should have named it something else. The game wouldn´t be better but it would not have taken that much fire for being shit. It´s the kind of game we wouldn´t even be discussing if it wasn´t called Dragon Age.
>>3655743Is this brony loser doing this on /vrpg/ too? Wow he is mentally ill.
>>3658973seethe more tranny
>>3655743Is this long term life of BG3 all women? I don't know any men that really hard cared about it to the point of a Skyrim-like obsession that would still be playing it.
>>3658988>It's a huge financial successrecent bioware leaks confirmed that it barely passed 1 million despite needing at bare minimum 3 million (realistically more like 5-6 million) to break even on its 8 year AAA dev cycle before accounting for marketing. It would have been the biggest financial flop of the year if not for Concord.
>>3659551women don't play videogames, e-celebs whores do it for views. BG3 is played mostly by men
>>3655743>create in depth save importer over the previous three games>fans deeply enjoy the variety provided by their game paths, excited to import into new game>actually you get to make five choices in a loading screen and in fact we will be explicitly referencing the least popular paths as canon regardlessA game where it’s repeatedly made clear that I don’t have any choices or diverging story paths? Gosh how could I say no
>>3659569Faggots, that shit is played by ass faggots like you.
>>3657064LMAO, failguard couldn't even beat a niche game.
Dragon Age deserves this. Tried replaying Origins, realized how trash the series has been from the start. BioWare's only playable RPG was Baldur's Gate 2 and even that was just on the same tier as BG3.
>>3659569>Bg3>playedMost of the faggots that bought it took some screenshots for twitter and never touched it again.
>>3659551I like BG3, still playing it.I also hate wokeshit, but BG3 just has wokeshit elements, it's not actively lecturing you on how to think like an EA wokeshit game, filling the roster with unattractive slobs etc. It'd be better without it ofc but what can you do? Vote them all out of government money and top down corporate control I suppose.It's also a much better game.
>>3659937>what can you do?Repeal the “Federal” “Reserve”
>>3659546bg3 is literally a woke tranny game and you're defending it, do the math, tranny lover
>>3659982Trans rights are human rights
>>3659937>I like BG3There are people that like scat as well.Doesn't change that it is disgusting.>not actively lecturing you on how to think like an EA wokeshit gameBut it does.The entire game is full of the same degenerate shit.
>>3655759>it can be great even if it sells 12if the game was so great, why didn't more than 12 people buy it?
>>3660378Average people have bad taste. Oblivion sold more copies than Planescape: Torment.
>>3660388"Played both Oblivion and PS:T" bros, we can't stop winning
>>3655743Maybe because Bioware games always have absolute garbage gameplay and couldn't lean on the normalfag cinematics audience given how bad it is at that.
>>3656011BG3 is a 5/10 at best.
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>>3655743another sales thread. KYS
