Hardcore classic wow is the only mmo that truly feels like an mmo to me, it brutally mogs every other mmo I've ever experienced. Having someone help you randomly in the world feels incredible, and when you leave people say things like "stay safe out there' and take the game seriously. Seeing someone 10 levels later and you both are still alive feels so fucking good, you're both happy to see each other and instantly feel good talking to each other it's crazy. Having a party member die in a dungeon is fucking devastating. It all feels real, why won't someone make a new mmo like this? Holy fuck I wish companies made new games that didn't suck
>>3655822Retarded. WoW was never designed for this and it literally would not work without the entire game being disassembled and known.
>>3655827Did you read the post?He elaborates on how the hardcore mechanics refreshed the world and has reintroduced an emphasis on player interaction
Mimezis online
>>3655841There's a difference between what you say and what is actually going on. I don't remember a single time where I had player interaction beyond telling me how much i fail at life for not using mods because it's the only way to reliably beat the boss
>>3655856Every single dungeon I've done in hardcore people are talking the entire team, asking if people know the fights, warning about dangerous patrols, are we playing the same fucking game?
>>3655857idk you have a good guild or whatever you are inIf it has gotten better since I've been on, it's 'too little, too late' for most people since the fanbase around it has dissolved to a fairly middling amount of regular players I'd imagine
>>3655861I don't play in a guild, and the server I play on has like 6 layers now, it has more players than ever.
>>3655841I read the post. It was retarded.
>>3655822>It all feels real, why won't someone make a new mmo like this?Most people value their time and don't want to lose hundreds of hours when they die in a game.
>>3655887When you die you just make a new character and have a new adventure. It's fun the entire time
>>3655901Not for most people.
>>3655822I feel the same but I think if I die I will stop. I really love the high of saving somebody out in the world though.
>>3655913Yes it is
>>3655822I gotta agree it is pretty fucking rad. In other mmos, if I am not on a fast-track to max level, I feel like I am wasting my time. Because that is where the real game is at (then often times find out that end-game activities are bad or not interesting enough, but that is another issue)Because all I accomplish is bumbling around for 3 hours, which I could achieve in one, if I leveled elsewhere, or picked up the quests in a more optimal order.In hardcore, it turns into a challenge though. Playing slower isn't a waste of time. Every enemy defeated, every quest completed, ever piece of gear I won, feels like really achieving things. It's like MMO animes, where people play with stakes.People have far more incentive to group up with others, because it is literally dangerous to go alone. You have to hunt carefully, because pulling 3 mobs is almost certain death, unless you got an exit strategy. Fucking consumables almost never rot away in your inventory, because every little buff helps. There is no point to hold it for later, when you've already outpaced the bonus.All in all an exhilarating experience, a pity no other MMO does it, except maybe EVE Online, but that is a different beast altogether than regular MMOs
>>3655822FFXIV is the only mmo that feels like an MMO because I can hide in my house and erp with strangers and ignore the rest of the game and keep buying fantas and cash shop outfits for erp.
>>3655824game?
>>3656824The Incredible Machine
>>3656824wizardry 7
>>3655822Similar feel with FF11 Horizon, where the whole game is relevant (not just the latest raid/zone) and there is a long line of progression and a community feel, though there is no permadeath.
>>3655822WoW is literally responsible for killing the sort of experience you're talking about.
>>3655822The lack of any "real" tangible consequences for dying definitely holds MMOs back. I don't think hardcore mode is the answer for any mainstream game, but every MMO either makes it too easy to gank/grief such that there are no consequences for it that are significant enough to matter OR the rules/mechanics prevent such behavior altogether which diminishes immersion. Going to war or playing like a criminal should be allowed, but the potential consequences should make you nervous (and thus be more thrilling when you succeed). If anyone creates a game that solves these issues, it'll be huge.Sorry OP, I know that's only tangentially related to your post. Glad you're having a fun experience though.
>>3655913You really don't enjoy leveling? That's the best part of WoW.
>>3655822So is hardcore an actual setting in classic? Is it a modified private server? Or is it just your own rules you made up?
>>3657031It's an official server type. If you die your character gets deleted and it announces to the entire server what level you were and what killed you so you get to see dozens of people type F or RIPBOZO when someone dies. If you hit max level, it also announces to the entire server and you will get flooded with messages from people. Also wild to see entire dungeon (or raid) groups wipe because it announces all the deaths. Since people constantly die and make new characters low level zones stay populated, and inflation is much slower
>>3657030No. There is literally nothing more tedious and unfun than a month-long chain of bullshit no effort questing I don't give a fuck about in a world I don't give a fuck about that I have to do to get near anything that is the slightest bit entertaining.
>>3655822>Having someone help you randomly in the world feels incredible, and when you leave people say things like "stay safe out there'Why would you ever need "help"? Mobs suck shit.The rest comes across the ramblings of someone mentally ill.
>>3655901>When you die you just make a new character and have a new adventure. It's fun the entire timeHardcore is literally only for retarded special snowflakes. As in people that either have no lives or just play a single game and are perfectly happy with losing extreme amounts of progress, only to have to redo it all over again.
>>3657068>Since people constantly die and make new characters low level zones stay populated, and inflation is much slowerPermadeath as a solution to MMO economics is hilarious. Thank you for sharing, anon.
turtle wow has had this feature for years and wow is not a hardcore video game
>>3657068So you still have to pay $180 a year to play the game? What a giant crock of shit. That adds up to some serious cash over time.
>>3657136>Permadeath as a solution to MMO economics is hilarious.This is how central banks think, too. They think that’s it’s okay to inflate the currency by printing more of it, because they can “destroy” money or remove it from the economy by taking in tax revenue.
The idea of hardcore is great, but no insurance policy for your internet connection shitting out will always be awful. Even just setting aside people abusing it to avoid death, the mere fact that at any moment, some random outage could cost you your time is not what i would call fun. i would want my death to be the result of my own actions, and the current technology can't guarantee that.
