>possibly the only interesting character in the game>not recruitable what were they thinking?
>>3658365why does she have a potion of enlarging and a potion of reduce person in her tent
>>3658373She's into the giantess fantasy. When she finds the right man, she'll reveal her fetish to him.
>>3658382Amazing environmental storytelling
oh boy... nobody tell him.
>>3658394what what what omg tell meeeeeee anon pllleaseee
>>3658409She is a secret companion and a romance option, and out of all women in you party she is the best girl by far. She is also surprisingly competent despite being a female.
>”she”
Who is this forgettable bitch? This the tranny from WotR?
>>3658365whoops wrong pic
>only competent mortal woman>is a polymorphed dudethis will never not be funny.
>>3658505Wait what? Really? I had no fucking idea
I just checkedANEVIA IS A FUCKING TRANNY YOU... HAVE TO BE FUCKING SHITTING ME OWLCAT WHAT THE FUUUUUCKKKK fucking whyyyyyyyyIS THERE A SINGLE NON DEGEN RETARD CHARACTER IN THE WHOLE GAME
>>3658621that's not owlcat's doing, it's paizo's, since paizo created the character. if anything, they kept it fairly hidden instead of waving it in your face.
>>3658482I am going to take on Drezen soon, can't wait to murder this bitch... I only wish I could torment her longer
>>3658629And, to be honest, permament genderbend potion is much better way to solve it than whatever the fuck Veilguard did. Or that crossdressing circus freak in BG3. I dunno about the other BG3 tranny that is apparently there.
>>3658641a better way to handle it is have the character actively never bring it up at all and have no way to ever know., just have it as notes in the writer's background material. but, in a world of social media and idpol, bad writers can't not let people know in some way how special their character concept is, thus diminishing the character.
>>3658621Unless they patched it out, there was an option to call her unnatural (kind of funny considering it comes from someone with s graft of s mythical being or whatever).
>>3658642real life doesn't work that way. if you make friends with somebody eventually they're going to want to tell you more about themselves. the difference is that since wrpg characters are video game characters that exist at the whims of the player exclusively to suck his dick and pump his ego, they have no choice. realistically, the character would sniff out that "i probably shouldn't tell this guy that thing about myself" and you wouldn't find out, unless your character made it clear that they don't care/don't mind about that kind of thing.
>>3658652>real life doesn't work that wayspeak for yourself, socialmedia boy.>wrpg characterswrpg isn't a thing>exclusively to suck his dick and pump his egolol, wut? do you actually self-insert? besides, npcs usually exist to stroke the writer's ego.
if you could just drink a potion and become a perfectly healthy genderbent version of yourself nobody would have problems with trannies in real life
>>3658621>IS THERE A SINGLE NON DEGEN RETARD CHARACTER IN THE WHOLE GAMECamellia just wants to stop the world wound and save the day, anon
>>3658621How are Lann and Ember degenerates?
>>3658702genderbending is gay, magic or surgery or divine intervention or not. once a man, always a man.
>>3658759What happened to the biological women argument then?
>>3658766what argument?
>>3658702I suspect that while the pushback would be lesser, there would still be some. One of the anti-trans talking points I've heard before was that they lacked the experiences, and iirc in particular the discrimination, that females experience growing up. I think it was by Rowling.In the context of wotr, I guess if an Aeon were to alter them retroactively to have been born the other gender instead, that would resolve this issue, but then you'd have people complaining about the abuse of the cosmic power.
>>3658837>if an Aeon were to alter them retroactively to have been born the other gender insteadThis would still be a man turned into a woman in the eyes of the Aeon. You can't undo this line of thought because of how words and ideas are conceptualized in the human brain. If my dog is turned into a tree, it's still my dog underneath.
>>3658702The problem has always been it's a mental illness. Even if you have a magical "solution" we know from years of experiments that actually, physically transitioning doesn't solve the problem.
>>3658802Trannies willl never be real women because they're biologically not women. They don't have real vaginas, tehy can't give birth. Anevia, thanks to the potion, is an actual biological woman. By denying this you're essentially using the same "gender =/= sex" logic lefties use
>>3658482Nurah really should be recruitable even if just for tricksters.
>>3658365>possibly the only interesting character in the gameAreelu is interesting. That tranny isn't. I wish we got a mask of the betrayer-style dlc with Galfrey Areelu, that gold dragon faggot and other high level companions. Redditcat wont oblige though.
>>3658969>By denying this you're essentially using the same "gender =/= sex" logic lefties useNo, I'm not. You are simply a materialist, like a commie. The essential, anon, is immaterial and immutable. Genesis precludes transmutation.
>>3658365why do you want to recruit a trans?
>>3658642tbf it actually takes a lot for Anevia to tell you.>>3658699>lol, wut? do you actually self-insert?Nta but in most RPGs it's obvious that everything is written such that you're the best and the world lines up to say how great you are. Even if they aren't self-inserting, it's hard to deny the obvious power fantasy.
>>3659143>The essential, anon, is immaterial and immutable.Not him but that's what he means by saying you're using the same logic as them, because if you aren't a biological essentialist then you're basically agreeing with people who say "my mind was born into the wrong body" and thus sex =/= gender. If your biology isn't what makes you your gender, then what does aside from the sheer ridiculousness that is self-identification? There's a reason the "you will never be a woman" copypasta is entirely based in biology, because it's something that can't be refuted through rhetoric.
>>3659573>tbf it actually takes a lot for Anevia to tell you.i acknowledged this already and praised owlcat for it.>parroted ideas you absorbed from reading words onlinepower fantasy only works in terms of self-inserting, it's all freudian pseudopsychology. a story about heroes is just a story about heroes. very few games suck off the PC at every turn, they just respond appropriately to heroic acts.
>>3659579The mind is a material object, anon. Self-identification is materialist. You materialists are all the same, that's why it's funny to see this constant slapfight between you. They are the extension of your conceptualizations.You aren't going to be able to follow me here.
>>3659583If your argument is "the soul knows", then you have to play by the rules of how souls work in PF's setting.
>>3659584My argument was that genesis precludes transmutation, which wasn't addressed. Materialism shit is an aside.
>>3659580>very few games suck off the PC at every turn, they just respond appropriately to heroic acts.BW games (older ones, anyway) literally suck off the PC at every possible opportunity even if you choose the most vile, senselessly cruel choice at every opportunity you're given. That's not a complaint, I just wish they let you be worse.
>>3659585Yeah well I'm not a Christian, I'm a Muslim, so such a theological argument from the Bible holds no actual sway with me and its creation story is in direct contradiction to Jinn being created before Man.
>>3659589I'm not a Christian either. This is about language, genesis is a word. A man turned into a woman is a man turned into a woman, not simply a woman, no matter how complete the transmutation is. A dog turned into a tree is a dog turned into a tree, not simply a tree. You grok?
>>3659588cite specific examples and judge them in the context of asking "did this person get shit done?".
>>3659594>This is about language, genesis is a word."Genesis precludes transmutation" is directly taken from the bible and its basis is in fundamentalist creationism in order to say vertical evolution isn't real. You're using a lot of fancy justifications to just avoid saying you don't like trannies.
>>3659580>parroted ideas you absorbed from reading words onlineNo it's just basic reality, and it definitely doesn't have to be done in the form of self-insert. The easiest example I can think of is the character Gene Starwind in Outlaw Star. He is basically the definition of a wish fulfillment power fantasy for the audience. He's cool, he's tough, he gets lots of girls, he had a snarky attitude before Joss Whedon made such a thing insufferable, he is in every way written to be the character the audience WANTS to be and wishes they were.
>>3659598I literally made that sentence off the cuff, anon. Because it describes my thoughts. What you got off of google has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Just read, by the way, I have nothing against trannies. Don't care about them at all. But, they will never be women and they know it, which is why they seek validation in the first place.Take my wisdom, I offer it freely. Peace be upon you.
>>3659599it's just the story of a cool dude. some people, in reality, are just really good at life. we admire these people.
>>3659589You should have led with that.Nobody wants to waste time arguing with a mudslime.
Are there potions that turn people into cute little girls or do mages get arrested for such magic?
>>3658365I feel like you're not seeing the bigger connection. They're interesting BECAUSE they're recruitable. Recruitable characters have to fit a certain mold. They have to be there so they can exist purely for the player's whim. A non recruitable character is free. They can be anything the plot wants them to.
>>3658853>physically transitioning doesn't solve the problem.Magic potion would also alter your brain, though I suppose they might still have some form of mental illness.
>>3658422it's bad to deceive people like that, anon
>>3658621Anevia is kind of an anti-tranny. He had to take a sex change potion due to outside circumstances, he didn't want to be a woman originally. Then he just got used to it and kept the change. He didn't start out mentally ill.
>>3659054I thought it would be cool if they made a DLC based on finishing with the Ascension ending, where you can go be an epic character fighting through the planes.
>>3659623Ask your local desnan priest.
anevia is the only tranny i like
>>3659933>outside circumstancesSuch as?
>>3659963I don't remember the story that well but from the wiki>As a child, her mother disguised her as a girl and hid her in the temple of Desna to avoid the sadistic cultists of Zon-Kuthon.I thought Anevia says he took the potion as a child but it sounds more like a mundane disguise, either way he was doing it to stay in hiding originally.
>>3658382but she's gay
>>3659967iirc aneiva took the potion when he/she/whatever met irabeth and fell in love with her, the problem being irabeth can't get it up for men or some shit so aneiva took the potion so whatever could be with her
>>3660005>Irabeth>Forcing her lover to get a sex changeThat doesn't sound very lawful good.
>>3660005I haven't played in awhile so you may be right, but I'm pretty sure Anevia decides to live as a woman before dating Irabeth, they decide after to sell the sword for the potion.>>3660021It's LG if it's done through mommy-dommy sissification.
>>3659933She realized she liked being a girl and decided to stick with the bit. IIRC her backstory involved her joining some womens-only performing troupe or some shit, though it's been a while since I read a summary of it (in some review for the actual TTRPG module ~10 years ago which, for what it's worth, was written by an actual tranny).
>>3658619It's pretty hidden so you're not likely to find out on your own, but if you do the sidequests related to her and Aribeth and keep asking about her past even if she says she doesn't want to talk about it, she'll eventually admit that she's a tranny who used a magical gender swap potion.
