>>3660587
Games take 15 years to make now

games take 50 years to make now. you can play only 2 new games in your lifetime

>>3660587
Because TES is the next one to get fucked up now.

>>3660827
choose wisely

>Fallout New Delhi
Poo… poo never changes

>>3660587
Todd is trying to decide whether the main story should be based around trying to find your mother or daughter. However, he is considering tackling the father/son angle again as well.

>>3660587
todds too busy grapeing Indiana jones the great circle aganst a pin ball machine with spelberg and lucus.besides the fallout ip was trafficked to hollwood for ther "shows" never forgive never forget

Because they're milking Fallout 76.
And they're not making Elder Scrolls VI because they're milking Skyrim and ESO.

the funny thing is it'll make fo4 look good, just as fo4 made fo3 look good.

>>3661789
Idk, while starfield was heavily hated it wasn't exactly a regression of fo4, I think they've hit their maximum worsification and have leveled out. I guess tes6 will tell us a lot, if it's exactly like fo4 and starfield then they've locked down on a horrendous formula, but it could also go worse or maybe even a reversal of the shittification after the backlash

>>3661789
Fallout 4 made everyone realize the only good part of the series are is the canon trilogy of Fallout, Fallout 2 and New Vegas.

>>3661076
Finding your dog would be kino honestly

>>3660587
Because big games take a long time to make and their main team all work on the mainline Elder Scrolls, Fallout and Starfield games.

But with Obsidian under Microsofts wing and the success of the TV show, it's entirely possible they might change that. At least as a tide-people-over Fallout game, like New Vegas

Bethesda isn't really that big a studio. They were busy with Starfield- and even that game development relied on contractors.

>>3662333
>New Vegas
>not Tactics
Lol, lmao

>>3662351
But then I wouldn't have my dog till later in the main story.

Worse if I need to trigger the local shit show (Dragons, Brotherhood of Steel, Enclave) to start spawning all over the map to get the dog back.

>>3661823
It was absolutely worse than FO4.
FO4 had much improved gameplay, good company and had decent dynamics. It just failed to fully deliver its story and the institute doesn't really fit the theme of Fallout

>>3662426
Sorry, meant to say Starfield. SF was fucking fogshit in comparison. Hate all the companions except that criminal ginger. Never bothered with crafting or basebuilding with that shit game.

>>3662426
>It was absolutely worse than FO4.
I wouldn't disagree, but mostly because of QoL degradation, particularly in terms of travelling, maps sucking shit, etc. but in terms of being an rpg it didn't degrade itself noticeably, the systems are largely the same and it actually walked back on the awful always-4-options dialogue wheel. I suppose the perks were worse, but the perks in fo4 are already shit.
fallout 4 made nv/fo3/Skyrim worse in almost every way except gunplay, which is still bad by industry standards. The map design was HEAVILY degraded, with most exploration being useless busywork akin to a ubisoft game while earlier Bethesda games gave you the impression you could find something interesting around every corner. In this regard, it's much more similar to starfield than other Bethesda rpgs. that's not to say that earlier bethesda games were great, it's just a big step down. in terms of writing and characters, yeah, worse than fo4(which is complete shit in this regard already), but that's not so interesting in looking at Bethesda's direction, no one made the executive decision to "have bad writing and characters".

>>3660587
what does it matter, all bethesda games are the exact same anyways

In 2008 we got Fallout 3
In 2010 we got Fallout New Vegas
In 2011 we got Skyrim
That's 3 games in 3 years. FNV was made by Obsidian but was all the better for it.

>>3660677
>>3660827
Worst part of it is that it takes Bethesda this long to make the game and it's still comes out a buggy riddled piece of shit of a game.

i dont even like videogames

>>3662516
1990
>Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard
2000
>Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, New Vegas
2010
>Skyrim, TES: Online, Fallout 4, Fallout 76
2020 so far
>Continued support for TES:Online, Fallout 76, Starfield

>>3662546
bethesda just has to release a singular good game to beat the 2010s

Fallout should have died after Fallout 2.

>>3663074
>bethesda just has to release a singular the best RPG of all time to beat the 2010s
Try to name RPGs that have reached the massive levels of success Skyrim did.

>>3663096
Did I say skyrim wasn't massively successful? no. But it's a bad game. Imagine Dragons is one of the most successful bands in the world

>>3660587
tell us you're underageB& without telling us you're UnderageB&

>>3660587
So is Bethesda actually making changes to their staff team? I really do not believe they can afford to keep making slop. Genuinely when was their last game? Skyrim barely counts.

They absolutely have to cull a large portion of their staff team or its Bethesdover. They need to fire Emil and whoever else is weighing down Fallout.

>>3663099
Best I can do is pajeets

>>3663097
>Did I say
Your opinion doesn't have much weight. You can say whatever you want, really.
>despite their measurable success and popularity, led zeppelin.. is bad

>>3663118
I didn't say every successful thing is bad, are you stupid?

>>3663150
>I didn't say every successful thing is bad
It wouldn't matter if you did. You'd still be a guy with an opinion

>>3663153
and yet here you are, reading every word I write.

>>3663155
Yes..?

>>3663156
So what’s your point? Obviously every statement is an opinion, what a useless thing to point out, if you’re here reading and responding you might as well engage with it honestly

>>3663163
Try reading my first post again

>>3663166
The one where you ask me to name an example of an rpg as popular as skyrim as if its popularity implies quality? The one followed by a clear example of why that doesn’t work?

>>3663171
>as if its popularity implies quality?
Many opinions vs your opinion.

I can guess that in your opinion your opinion is better and that other opinion havers are wrong for one reason or another

>>3663182
So you agree that everything popular is good because many opinions think so? That’s your opinion, The majority would consider that a logical fallacy, so why should I care?

>>3663184
No. But I do think it's better to have a product reviewed by a large amount of people with different preferences and experiences. Thoroughly tested.

>>3663198
Why? Broad appeal is not where true quality is found, ironically that is something the majority believes

>>3663256
RPG genre has broad appeal, and being niche doesn't necessarily mean "true quality" either.

>>3661823
>while starfield was heavily hated it wasn't exactly a regression of fo4
except for
>no gore anymore
>can't undress corpses aka you don't get to loot their actual armor and weapons, just RNG drops, which is a pretty big departure from how Beth games used to work
stuff like that

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>>3663099
Lead designer for Far Harbor is gone, as well as Kurt Kuhlmann. You can see the resume of the latter in pic related.

>>3661823
Starfield was just a really shit idea.
It took out all of the best parts of Bethesda games, that being the detail in the cities and towns and the free roam exploration.

Even with all their problems, wandering around in Fallout 3 and 4, going through dungeons or (particularly in 3) finding a cool town with weird characters, is still really fun and makes those games good.
With Starfield everything is fast travel and loading screens and there is literally nothing worth exploring for.

Plus the writing, especially with companions, really was a big downgrade from 4.
Funnily enough 4 actually has good character writing, it's just that it has the worst plot of any Bethesda games. The dialogue alone was a massive upgrade from 3 often. Though the horrible mechanics of it really hindered that.

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lol

>>3664643
No seamless space travel was a huge blunder. I'm absolutely certain they thought they could get it to work. Probably related to the development delay. That's my beat guess.

>>3663355
nigga please, learn to debate and argue. it's painful to read

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>Today is November 29th 2024
>OP made his post on November 19th 2024
>It has been 10 days since this thread started
>The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion released on March 20th 2006
>The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim released on November 11th 2011
>Fallout 3 released October 28th 2008
>Fallout 4 released November 10th 2015
>Starfield released September 6th 2023
>TES: VI is yet to be released
>If you scale development time off of the last 2 games: Starfield took 95.6194387% longer to ship than FO4
>Assuming the same time between game releases
>TES: VI will release 5,590.8 days later or on December 27th 2038 (Won't release it on boxing day, shops are shut innit)
>Scaling development time again brings us to 10,937.038 days between the release of TES VI in 2038 and Fallout 5.
Fallout 5 will release December 6th 2068. Save the date.
You may be free of Emil by then.

>>3661076
step-daughter*

>>3662402
>But then I wouldn't have my dog till later in the main story.
Easy solution to this.
The main story revolves around finding your dog, that's what's shown in the trailers, the gameplay previews etc. You promise the game will be as long as the previous fallout games and have as much content.
You do the common practice of having not only a review embargo but you only ship the game to reviewers 24 hours before release.

Now. The game you've been sold, finding your dog IS the length of the previous games and there's a batch of side content meeting at least FO3/4s side stuff. EZ right?
but wait, there's more.
That's the prologue of the game, the first 12.5%. The rest of the game opens up after the title cards and the credits, Bethesda's BIGGEST game ever, no more family bullshit or 3 answers that are the same and 1 sassy option. You subvert people's expectations and you see which review outlets don't play the game and you blacklist them. Anyone who criticizes the move is deemed an idiot.
The best part? You can get the dog in <1-3 hours if you know what you're doing, there's shortcuts you can take but it will be convoluted to do so and based on RNG.

Once you finish the game for realsies, the credits pop up and they say:
>in loving memory of our friend Emil Pagliarulo 1969 - 2025

todd howard is too narcissistic to allow someone better (avellone and co.) to make fallout games.

so, we get beth slop every decade or so.

>>3669111
Avellone will never ever work as lead or director on anything again.
He's neither good at it (only at writing) and prefers to swindle indie devs for consulting money.

>>3669111
Traits of a narcissist
- doesn't let others use their IP

Game and other industries are full of them!!

>>3669183
>Traits of a narcissist
>- doesn't let others use their IP
Sounds like Michael 'My lore is sacred and can't be touched' Kirkbride.

>>3669183
And it's not even IP that they made but they bought it. And they could bring in the guys that made it to work in-house and they'd still rather have skinflaps Emil fuck it up than give it to Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky, Josh Sawyer or Chris Avellone.