Why do most JRPGs prefer the status quo over anything else? And I'm not referring to "god bad" trope, which is also overused. But at least there is SOMETHING.Devil Survivor 2 as a example, is very notorious for this.>any other ending makes a everchanging impact to the world and is considered taboo by some characters>the "true" ending is just revert it back to normal and is considered virtuousIn NG+, the true ending gives you 100 points unlike other endings which they are 30.It also has the message of:>humanity are powerful, there are no flaws in humanity, what they do is amazing, etcDespite the shit going on in-game.
Status quo is better for the majority of people than whatever day of reckoning the right and the left have planned.
>>3660914The "Status quo" we live in is a dystopian nightmare, dipshit. How can I take you Japs seriously?
>>3660941The Japs current status quo isn't that bad compared to all of their history.
>>3660942>high rate suicide>hellish work place>id@l culture>legal system is dogshit>men on workhorse while the women waste their husbands money to waste some expensive coffee >gynonistic societyNeck yourself
>>3660941I'll take liberal democracy over some fascist or communist purge. That's why SMT games make neutral the true path; genocide in the name of an ideology is fucking stupid at best and results in millions of deaths at worst.
>>3660972>liberal democracy>fascism>communismThe Enlightenment utterly ruined humanity, though the admittedly the rot had set in many generations before
>>3660982You're underage if you want to retvrn to the middle ages.
>>3660972>genocide is bad>but it's ok when we kill all demons!Just admit you're a neutralfag but don't pretend to be moral rightous you fucking loser
>>3660850>Why do most JRPGs prefer the status quo over anything else?It sounds like you are just talking about SMT though. Most Final Fantasies for example, the most normalfag of all normalfag JRPGs, are about overturning the current world power for something better
>>3660996>but it's ok when we kill all demons!Humanity first. Demons are just abstractions of human emotions, they have no reason to exist beyond tormenting their creators.
>>3660999Most Final Fantasy games are about saving the world from world changing threads.The shit your talking about is FF7.
>>3661000Ok so SMTIVA is your first SMT game lol
>>3660982>implying that the middle ages aren't fascistsHAHAHAHAHAAAA
>>3660982Based Hegelian ideology raping peasantcucks. Go back to your potato farm, Pierre.
>>3661002And IIIAnd IVAnd VI And VIII And XAnd XII
>>3661003It was Nocturne on PS3 but okay. I don't care that your "bro" is some Biblical demon, if he wants to eat people I shall not suffer him to live.
>>3661010>Nocturne on PS3You don't even know the console, that should speak a lot for tourists like you.
>>3660850because they're cowardly libs and also they want to do broad appeal? the nature of the japanese man is that nothing should change systemically, only personal growth. get isekaied to a world of magic? quick, find a way home.world of superpowers? the person trying to enact change with the power is always the villain. essentially, OP, your observation is correct, and the answer is just "because they're stupid". A recent example was in metaphor refantazio, where the bounty hunter had a perfectly good strategy for improving society, but it was radical so it was presented as bad. smt/devil survivor is slightly better because the chaos and law factions are indeed much worse than the middle path
>>3661016You inbred, retarded newfag. Here is my response. Here is my reply. Have your (You). Truly you are the master baiter.
>>3661021>no argumentI accept your concession
>>3661027Kill yourself as soon as humanly possible before you embarrass yourself furtherhttps://psdeals.net/us-store/search?search_query=Shin+megami+tensei
the tears of eternal rebellioncucks are sweet
>>3661030You literally saying the origin of these games and you're first answer is that it was released on PS3. How retarded can you be to defend yourself?
>>3660982printing press and increasing literacy was the problem, because information as a tool of control aimed at the masses must become dumb enough to be grasp by said masses.
>>3661033You fucking ESL mongoloid. I said I played Nocturne on PS3. I didn't say it was originally released on PS3. I said that I played it on PS3. This is immediately obvious to any literate person. You need to be euthanized.
>>3661036case in point. literacy isn't enough, you can't uplift humanity through any system.
>>3661036>>3661038>samefag
>>3661044see? how are you going to incorporate fools into your paradigm that will "fix" the status quo? people focus on great evil and ignore the banal, which comprises a greater part of the world.
>>3661046there are simple answers but you will not like it.
>>3661047try me. but, i bet it's not me disliking them that's the problem, but a certain kind of human given political power in the contemporary age.
>>3661051The simply solution is that it's not a "certain kind of human", it's certain kinds of conditions. Strong social safety nets, baseline level of wealth, access to education and needs, these things resolve most societal problems. The idea that literacy is a tool for control is also ahistorical.
>>3661054>>3661051ultimately, you have already failed at finding a solution when you have picked a group of "individuals" when societal problems are systemic
>>3660850SMT is mostly about how extremes are bad. Chaos and Law are obvious strawman and can only change the world for the worse. In Devil Survivor that element is frankly significantly downplayed compared to the mainline games, since the non neutral endings in those games directly involve you dooming humanity to enslavement at the hands of openly malicious supernatural creatures. Nocturne arguably has a somewhat positive ending that is about restoring the status quo. However, thematically, it's more about defying the will of god than the status quo being good. There's also the True Demon ending, which is arguably the "real" ending of the game. That one is very much NOT about restoring the status quo.
>>3660850Because they like to scale up character power so it seems cool. What is the strongest thing in a universe? the god of said universe. So if you can fight and defeat the strongest, you become the strongest, which is cool.
>>3661061Except most SMT alignment endings are fine, Law/Chaos in 1 and SJ are fine because all these endings in general are vague and simple. 2 has the best law/chaos routes with a pretty good payback while neutral is dull.Nocturne has no real story and most of the endings even included in the original are mid, it's how true demon is considered the "real ending".If you actually played IV then you realize that both routes are valid. Tokyo is a shithole and Mikado is a backwatered shithole, so having the choice of nuking one of another or just end it all is far more compelling than the neutral route in this game, they're all ideals but no substance. And it's also a slog to sit through for proving it's narrative, completing all of these fetch quests are not fun when it's a slog.SMTV story is rushed and unfinished, so there's nothing to discuss. But Vengeance has only law and chaos endings which makes it interesting, still not perfect but far better than base V.Neutral in some SMT games are either mid at best or at worst is a generic jrpg fanservice garbage. SMT1 and Strange Journey are the only games in the series that has a good neutral route.SMT1 one already has that "human fuck yeah" meme but it doesn't revert it to the status quo and instead you direct them to a better future, which is the opposite of that. SJ is you doing the job, but at the cost of repeating the same incident.>In Devil Survivor that element is frankly significantly downplayed compared to the mainline games, since the non neutral endings in those games directly involve you dooming humanity to enslavement at the hands of openly malicious supernatural creaturesIt's called showing the good sides, which Devil Survivor does a great job with it. It had a great presentation when it comes to nuance compared to the mainline series. That the second game ruined everything lol
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>>3661054so simple solutions=more control over people. it would be nice if people actually were machinery, i guess.>The idea that literacy is a tool for control is also ahistoricalthe 20th century proved this beyond a shadow of a doubt. i can't imagine this level of myopia.
>>3660850In the same way these games aren't advocating for the status quo, but against the specific kind of change, your game wouldn't be talking about change in general, but instead the specific kind of change.It's not that people don't want to talk about these things in these ways, but that they can't. Unless you annoyingly beat it over the audience's head, you're going to be talking about what's explicitly happening rather than the abstract concept you actually want to talk about.
>>3661121>it would be nice if people were actually machineryimplied no such thing, but didn't suggest evidence based solutions. >the 20th centurythe printing press and increased literacy started 500 years ago you dumb fuck, and it led to unprecedented levels of revolution and the whole free world was build in that short period in human history. modern propaganda largely developed in ww2 does not particularly heavily rely on literacy, but most of it is written because that's now incidentally universally accessible, it does nothing it couldn't on radio or tv. and the people that fall for that propaganda are generally the less literate, less educated.
>>3661332>people that fall for that propaganda are generally the less literate, less educated.Lol, lmao
>>3661335>if I react dismissively, I won't have to confront an immutable truth of the world that I don't like
>>3661018We have proof of the end result of Catherina's plan in history. It doesnt fix society in the slightest.
>>3661367So long as catherina doesn't become corrupt it works
>>3661365The most propagandized people in the world are well-educated midwits, and the fact that you think otherwise indicates that it worked perfectly. You don’t notice the propaganda, much like a fish doesn’t notice the water in which it swims.
personally i think illteracy is increasing rapidlyemoji is causing the english language to devolve back into heirogylphics and tiktok, the true enemy on the internet you should all be raging at, not le reddit anymore, is a verbal communication platform all the zoomers are addicted tothe bingewatch tv show culture isn't helping either
>>3661368Even if she was perfect, the laws still enable a bunch of shitters to target whoever they deem is rich enough regardless of character.
>>3661373>The most propagandized people in the world are well-educated midwits,this is the belief of a heavily propagandized, poorly educated halfwit.
>>3661374>not le reddit anymorenice try redditorYou're as bad as any of these trash
>ITT: muh society and propagandaGo back to /pol/(you) are not welcome
>>3661411you forgot the bottom text
>>3661332>implied no such thing, but didn't suggest evidence based solutionslol>you dumb fuckyes, the printing press started the control of the masses through political pamphlets, a turning of religious uniformity into state power and countless cults, which eventually led to mandatory education in the 19th century since the powers that be required a literate citizen in their armies after napoleon kicked their asses. there's just too much in human activity to cover to go over it all, so forgive me, dear pedant.>modern propaganda largely developed in ww2 does not particularly heavily rely on literacywe are talking about information dissemination as a tool of control, not simply "reading is bad", my simple friend. everything starts with the written word and the 20th century's difference is an extension of the promise of the printing press and the ability to truly mass communicate. the internet offered a way out of centralized control of information, but was quickly harnessed instead. >less literate, less educated.you can't make someone less stupid, anon, what you do is control and confuse them with illusion more. education is not elucidation, it's not reading, it's what you read.
>>3660972>>3661000>genocide in the name of an ideology is fucking stupid>except for when the ideology in question is racismLowkey based desu
>>3660850>any other ending makes a everchanging impact to the world and is considered taboo by some charactersIn the main series, the status quo is the constant battle between law and chaos, and going the neutral route is choosing to refuse to let humanity be the pawn of either. Instead of picking a team you take your ball and go the fuck home and lock the damn door.The entire 4th mainline game's plot is smacking the dumbasses who thought "law is cool!" and "chaos is great!" in the face and telling them that they're fucking retards and that law and chaos are both shit because it always means humanity is someone else's pawns and (You) are no better than a puppet playing kingmaker for your favorite flavor of dysfunctional ideology.In Devil Survivor 2, it's the same thing. You either tell the administrator to each shit and die or convince them you can do it better a 2nd time (which you won't, unless you recruited everyone back into your team) otherwise you get sucked into law- which will stagnate- or chaos- which will stagnate- leading to the Septentriones getting sent back to Earth again, because it's a stupid fucking cycle that humanity is stuck in that never ends unless you choose to leave the loop with a 3rd option.Or be a stupid fucking pawn and make Alcor your king instead of being king yourself because he has a better sales pitch than Polaris does.>humanity are powerfulYou go from shitting your pants when pit against a chinese demon sealed in a bell to killing the inheritor of the akashic records in the space of 8 days. Yes, humans are indeed powerful little shits.
