>>3674224
If you're going to make a coom game, at least make hot human girls and like add harem scenes. Western devs being "safe-horny" with weird ugly DEI characters is antithetical to the purpose.

>>3674225
Karlach has a pretty face. she doesn't even have a man body, she is just tall. the whole thing was israeli yuro dei safe horny shit. its the only reason why they made all the girls whores (and str based classes) and then didn't make an
>are you a faggot
option in the character creator. like fags and women praised the fact the male characters try to gay rape you even though they understand most male players hated that shit and they thought the bug was funny which persisted through november of last year (actually it might have been longer I have dumped the flags before and gale's romance flag is enabled even if you durge him for some reason)

>>3674224
People who hate non-virgins and gays are usually rightoid incel religious nut types that would make the multiplayer community toxic.

There's nothing wrong with liking virgins, but there's something wrong with valuing women less because they're not one. The more it is explicit that they can't be possessive of women and queers, the better that they behave to others. Slutty fictional women and gays are one of the many reasons why girls can play the game online without getting sexism like they do on Counter-Strike, Valorant, or CoD. Same goes for minorities.

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>>3674245
>People who hate non-virgins and gays are usually rightoid incel religious nut types that would make the multiplayer community toxic.
a. there is no multiplayer community, retard. its a single player game that you can play co-op with friends. no one is playing this game with randos, there is no match making
b. the 2 most popular romances for Mass Effect by far were Liara and Tali, who doesn't even have a face, because they were both virgins. Shadowheart was a deliberate bait and switch
>There's nothing wrong with liking virgins, but there's something wrong with valuing women less because they're not one. The more it is explicit that they can't be possessive of women and queers, the better that they behave to others. Slutty fictional women and gays are one of the many reasons why girls can play the game online without getting sexism like they do on Counter-Strike, Valorant, or CoD. Same goes for minorities.
see pic related

>>3674250
Tali's popularity is organic because she is the best girl, Liara is just pushed by the devs.
Some of the most beloved /vrpg/ girls are turbosluts. Virginity doesnt make a good character, a fun/likeable character makes a good romance option.

>>3674224
Why isn't there a male character who is a bitter porn addicted virgin?

>>3674224
Are there like full hetero people playing this kind of shit? Or they are "metrosexes" which lets be honest means they are faggots?

>>3674250
it has a master server list with a left-leaning community

>>3674224
>makes all the male characters weirdo sex pest gay rapists who you can't be friends with because they try to gay rape you
kinda sad that it's actually 100% true

Its pretty much official that zoomers are generations of fags, what gonna be next?

>>3674270
tali and liara are both popular because they are cute virgins who act like cute virgins in their late teens and early 20s. people picked tali over that whore miranda even though the game pushes you to date miranda. you are just a gay retard

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>>3674275
wyll and gale. wyll is a virgin who mentions reading porn (shart read the same porn) and gale has only ever had cyber sex
>>3674289
I have no idea what you are talking about, you gay retard. BG3 is a single player game. the only way you would play with another person is if you are both each other's friends on steam and specifically chose to play co-op

>>3674299
its crazy, all halsin does is talk about sex and 95% of his dialogue is flirting, especially anything outside how to get to moonrise and thaniel. anything post act 2 is flirting. I've never not killed the faggot vampire for trying to bite me. if you are remotely nice to gale he asks for gay sex. one time I just killed the zombies by act 2 and he tried to gay sex me and wyll does his gay ass dance when I am trying to fuck karlach

>>3674224
Just kill them all and play solo.

>>3674338
This is one of most pathetic cope i have heard lately holy shit

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>>3674224
>behave cute, submissive and lovingly
LMAO. They're all turbo-bitches. The red man in particular is obnoxiously rude.
>try to gay rape you
>le forced gay sex meme
pic related. The real problem is that all the characters are excessively sexual and that Larian made all of their animations extremely flamboyant.

>>3674377
When was the last time someone you showed no romantic interest in asked you have hardcore gay sex?
Whether you pick yes or no, they shouldn't even be asking.

>>3674381
Never of course which is why I said
>The real problem is that all the characters are excessively sexual
Unrealistically overt with their sexuality. Though if you were going to write a homosexual, that's how they would be.

>>3674377
He shouldnt even be asking, you sex pests are so dishonest

>>3674224
Romaces were a mistake. They still are a mistake. Faggot rights were a mistake.

>>3674377
the gay thing was because until patch 4 gale had an intentional bug where no matter what you said or did his romance flag would trip, even if you rejected him. this lead to people who never flirted with him getting tricked by the
>do you want to see a magic trick
and
>come urgently I can't tell you why/stargazing
fag scenes
more like
>go to talk to gale after never flirting
>want to see a magic trick
>I guess
>go to talk to karlach
>she calls me a fag
>reload and am forever locked out of Karlach because the game only gives you 2 romance flags at a time and I had flirted with shart
>start a new game
>don't talk to gale
>he tells me he wants my dick when we get to the shadowlands and tries to fool me with the star shit
plus when you talk to halsin asking him if he feels bad about the shadow curse leads to 3 options, 1 loops back to the other 2 and the other 2 are both flirting. there is no leave or fuck off and die option.
plus wyll is annoying
>act like a dick to wyll
>straight up don't use or talk to him after getting karlach
>get karlach's heart fixed
>want to see a gay dance instead of fucking karlach?

>>3674390
This also not mentioning the fact that you can get cucked by all the female romances. Shartofart with the bear, Karlach with Wyll, etc.

>>3674224
I think it was a mistake to make your entire party fuckable in a crpg, I think its better when it's only a couple select dudes and dudettes are romancable, and then you just bro it out with your other companions. Really DAO (and other crpgs) do it right with having 2 of them be only straight options, and the other two are bi, and then its left at that and you can bro out with sten.

>>3674423
The characters should have their own personalities and therefore their own preferences.
Lae'zel should only be interested in fighting men. Gale should only be interested in arcane magic users.
Also, each romance should have a minimum charisma score, and require a dice roll.

>>3674441
>make a shitload of content taking years to develop
>and then
>limit access to it for arbitrary reasons
Nope, sorry, that's stupid

>>3674443
How is it limited? You can experience it on your next playthrough, along with alternate routes through various quests.

>>3674441
>require a dice roll
BG3s cargo cult dice fetishism made me hate the d20 system and I’ve played DnD since the early 90s
>>3674443
>everyone should be playersexual because I must CONSOOM CONTENT
You’re part of the problem why modern games are shit, anon.

>>3674445
And what is a good reason to block them from entertainment during the first 100 hours someone puts in the game?
You must realize that someone might not be inclined or able to spend time on replaying a video game.

>>3674443
Having absolutely no missable content is a failure of modern video game design.

If I replay this game I'll just skip all the romances, the dating scenes take too long and sex scenes in non-porn are just boring to me at this point.
>>3674441
Having die rolls where failure locks out content just makes people save scum. Minimum stat requirements could be OK but it shouldn't just be charisma, it should be like at least one physical stat 14+ for Lae'zel, Wis or Int 14+ for Gale, etc.

>>3674245
>People who hate non-virgins and gays are usually rightoid incel religious nut types that would make the multiplayer community toxic.
Sure anon, purityfags on 4chan have been religious nuts for decades. It totally requires religious indoctrination to find used goods disgusting.

>>3674390
i played it recently and the magic trick scene was still fucking gay despite me not choosing gay options

>>3674224
mintara is a companion? huh i killed her, am i missing out here?

>>3676547
She's got a pretty good build but mostly just adds commentary, she doesn't have her own quest other than recruiting her in Act 2. You can either recruit her by siding with her against the Grove or by knocking her out before attacking the other goblin leaders. She has to still be non-hostile when you knock her out, and she'll wake up after a day. If the other two leaders are dead while she's knocked out and only temporarily hostile, the kill the leaders quest will complete and she'll still be alive and recruitable in Act 2.

>>3676665
The worst part recruiting Minthara is that I've scrupulously avoided using tadpoles while playing, and because she already has tadpole powers, you will forever have that giant "just tadpolemaxx bro" button cluttering your UI to shame you.

>>3674270
The only good turboslut is the virgin who only acts like a turboslut when alone with you, her one true love for life that she will never betray or cheat on.

>>3674245
People who hate on virgins who like virgins are usually turbosluts that feel ashamed of themselves when its pointed out their slut behaviour is considered off putting. They use new age slang to call people virgins in the most insulting way they can think of (incel) in order to try and put themselves on a moral high ground of indecency.

>The more a space isn't made for straight dudes, the better behaved they are.
lol no, straight dudes just don't hang around places that aren't made for them. The ones that do are the weirdo onions boys who pretend to have gay morals to try get in girls pants (whether they are lesbian or not).

>Slutty fictional women make sluts feel good being treated like sluts, instead of being insulted for having bad gaming skills in FPS games where people use whatever insult is the easiest to make the other person mad in the shortest time.
How about they just grow up and stop seeing FPS game insults as 'sexism to keep them out' and see it for what it is. Them getting cut over shitty weak insults that are easy go to's, because they work.

>same goes for minorities
Ah, so you are a white person guilty for existing. This explains your whole copy-paste level opinions. In hindsight, should have been obvious the moment you wrote 'rightoid'.
If you had actually interacted with 'minorities' in videogames before they started policing speech, you would know they all joined in and had fun using just as much foul language as your hated white race as well. Everyone got along just fine. Better than today, even.

>>3674450
>pay for content
>can't access it
you've really embraced the cuck mentality in every aspect of your life huh?

>>3676919
>you're a KEK if you don't want to have HOT GAY ROMANCES with LITERALLY EVERY MEMBER of your AGGRESSIVELY PLAYERSEXUAL PARTY because otherwise you might out MISS OUT on heckin' CONTENT

>>3674224
We should be allowed to romance Jaheira
>b-but old
We should be allowed to romance Jaheira

>>3674224
Putting aside the obvious bait, no normal person, man or woman, would choose to be an adventurer. You're either fanatically devoted to some creed; a murderhobo; a mercenary looking for a paycheck; or on a mission from your deity A.K.A. a zealot.

No "trad" woman would become an adventurer, especially from the short-lived races.

>>3677069
>>3674224
And if you're a member of a long lived race, like an Elf, there is no way on the planet you won't have a massive bodycount by the time you hit 300 years, which isn't even half of your average lifespan. The gender doesn't matter.

>>3677069
>>3677070
You literally could have had built in excuses for all 3 girls to not be whores. Lae'zel is written as a teenager. They decided to make her and Karlach "officially" as old as possible with Lae'zel being 22 and Karlach being 30, but even the commies who play the game think both of them should be younger based on the way they are written. you could have made Lae'zel virgin by virtue of her being a teenager like Liara was in mass effect 1. Karlach is 30, the way she talks about her past most people think she is 25-28. She could have been a virgin by virtue of being stuck in hell for 10 years. they had to explicitly put in a line if you ask her to take it slow where she mentions being pumped and dumped. also for some reason the one tranny writer said karlach was about him not liking to be touched or intimate because he is autistic, but Karlach is super touch motiviated.
And Shart is an intentional bait and switch.
>pretty girl who wants to take it slow (where as Lae'zel and Karlach both want to fuck ASAP). The only one of the 3 (4 if you count minthara) who makes you wait until act 3 to fuck.
>she is obviously the Tali/Liara and Lae'zel is the Jack
>written to act just as retarded as Lae'zel literally all the time so they both come off as late teens, early 20s at the latest
>lol jk got you, she is 58 and acts like a retarded teenager because her memory was erased and was in a sex cult and sucked 50 dicks in a row and also fucked a gnome and a tranny.
Also the way they are written they are literally not adventurers. Lae'zel was at a creche, only a little older than the ones you find in the monastery and got caught and tadpoled while trying to do her coming of age ritual. Shart was sent as the healer on a raid from the cloister to get the D20 and Karlach was a thug as a kid who got sold into slavery

>>3677070
>The gender doesn't matter.
holy shit you are a fucking faggot
>no you live 300 years you would totally become gay and suck dicks if you lived a long time

>>3674245
Did you know that women retain the DNA in a man's semen and keep it in their brain?
That means a woman's ex is constantly on her mind. It's not the same for chad as he simply fucks a different pussy every day, but a woman will eternally hold the next guy standard to that one chad in the past decimating her cave. She will never be able to properly bond again.

Why do you think a man who's fucked a lot of women is attractive to women.
But a woman who's fucked a lot of men is unattractive to men?

>>3677077
I think there's a dialog option with one of the companion's where they ask about your character's past and you can say you were just a citizen of Baldur's Gate. Not an adventurer or anything, just an ordinary guy who got captured and tadpoled.
And then somehow became super magic and killed a load of demonic imps and crashed a spaceship.

>>3677169
I believe that’s from being a custom origin human.

>>3674231
>fag character creation option
Great idea here. In one hand you score hecking diversity points for letting you choose sex orientation, in the other hand you let all people filter gay shit out of their game.

>>3677177
What if they made it a hidden trait? You don't know if your character is gay or straight at the start. There would be a "coming out" quest at some point where you discover your character's sexuality.
Far enough into the game that you're already committed.

>>3677182
If you had a "random" origin where everything about your character was randomized and you learned more about the character as you went through the game that could be interesting. It wouldn't make any sense for fully custom characters though, why would that be chosen for you but race and class aren't?
>>3677177
>in the other hand you let all people filter gay shit out of their game.
This is why they don't do it. Imagine if BG3 did that and then put out charts about how many people made straight male characters, and then had a vastly different ratio for straight/lesbian female characters.

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>>3677177
they want to force gay shit on people
>>3677188
that's why they intentionally put the gale "bug" in the game. During opening weekend they bragged about how many people romanced gale. They said that gale was the second most romanced character opening weekend and bragged about how many people the faggot vamp rejected. the later stats showed 51% of people romanced Shart. Followed by Karlach (whose romance achievement has a 5.4% rate, I think it was 14% at one point) followed by Lae'zel. So you are looking at something like 3/4ths or 4/5ths+ of all players romancing the female characters. Its like the old mass effect stats which showed 93% of players played as male shep, and the 7% playing as female shep were mostly guys who romanced Liara

>>3677122
Although this anon writes aggressively, it's basically true. They also have an 'imprinting' part of their psyche, where women can attach themselves emotionally a lot more strongly to their first partner. For people who decide everything in their life based almost entirely on emotion, this is a big deal.

>>3677250
I didn't even know you could be rejected by Astarion, I've only ever rejected him with a stake.

>>3677362
yeah I always kill him on the beach for putting a knife to my throat or in camp with a stake for trying to rape me while I sleep but in theory he has one of the harder romances (along with Karlach and I guess Minthara) to get since he has one of the only romances you get locked out of for being an asshole. I'm not sure what else causes it but I know I've seen people say in act 2 if you force him to bite the drow for the +2 str potion or don't kill Yurgir he will break up with you. this is apparently too difficult for the gay retards, literal trannies and roasties who try to romance him that you have to make compromises and not get the >muh amazing stat booster, if it fucks with the role play of the character you are trying to fuck in a role playing game. Its the same as retards seething about breaking their oath/that its bad to get the hag's hair
>wait you are saying this overpowered class has role play restrictions and I'm not supposed to just use it to do what I want and metagame and get all the yummy stat boosters

>>3677400
>Its the same as retards seething about breaking their oath/that its bad to get the hag's hair
Do 5th ed retards really? That’s absolutely embarrassing.

>>3677400
What makes Karlach hard to romance?

>>3677270
>where women can attach themselves emotionally a lot more strongly to their first partner.
Well yeah, a single choice seems good when you don't have anything to compare it to

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>>3678147
>What makes Karlach hard to romance?
Died suddenly.

>>3678157
That is also true

its because yuro are gay

>>3677070
100 of those years are as a child. How dare you insinuate having sex with a 99 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds old child you sick fuck.

>>3674443
>years to develop
Nigga they shoehorned that shit in who are you foolin

>>3674377
I don't want to play a game where NPCs offer hardcore gay sex to me.

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>>3679301
Can't stop yourself from accepting it?

>>3679309
No, the normal reaction to faggotry is disgust. I don't want to share a campsite with brazen degenerates.

>>3674245
It's natural for a man to value chasteness in a woman. The opposite makes her seem like she'll be a disloyal partner

>>3674245
9/10 bait

>Play a social group management sim/voiced narrative game full of tragic backstory and enemies-to-lovers/friends tropes clearly designed to appeal to gurl gamur audience
>Despite the above, insist on not playing a female character due to your fragile masculinity ( Even though there's no reason not to in RPG's of this nature )
>Cry on the internet about how you can't feel immersed in your conservative macho RP in a sappy modernized fantasy setting which was obviously meant to be played like an Otome

Anon, I....

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>>3680277
NO WAY, YOU REALLY ARE TRANS LOL

>>3674245
Virginity is a virtue because It is a sign of resistance against lust. Its that simple, and even for men It is a seen as such, as long as It is voluntary, of course.
That is because sex dynamics change between men and women (I hope you do know that). Men are the active part in the social game, while women are passive, this is natural order, some may deviate from It but, in general, It is how It is and wont change.
Anyways, while It is virtuous for a Man to be chaste and resist lust, not being a virgin is also an argument in favor of his virility, that being why some women dont like virgins.
A woman that isnt a virgin might just be one that says yes to any guy that tries to get in her pants, and there is no virtue in that, just the act of giving in to lust.
For every virtuous men in ficction most should therefore expect that they are either virgin (but do not lack virility) or that they have had sex with a loved one.
In parts, same goes for women, galadriel for example is probably not a virgin, but is clearly virtuous, because she had sex with her husband.
The women in BG3 on the other hand are made to be these hyperconfident panthers that are clearly not virgin and actively seek Men to fuck, which is the non virtuous, modern day take on being a BADASS women.
Now when It comes to gays well, gays can be normal, but they are clearly hated because they are always overly sexual, overly horny and stereotypically flamboyant creatures in these games as If to really show off that the are REALLY GAY. Only women respect these sorts of sodomites (because they find It funny and pitiful) and yet, these gays that like to be side characters in women group manage to find some satisfaction in It. Astarion is this sort of faggot, probably written by a women. He could be a virtuous homosexual, but of course they wouldnt want that, otherwise we wouldnt have It stamped in our face that he Is a really sexy chaotic sex pest faggot.

>>3680415
>It is how It is and wont change.
Ever heard about industrial revolution?

>>3680415
Virginity is a virtue because it signals new, unused goods. It's like packaging.
Nobody thinks a 50yo virgin woman is made any hotter by her virginity.

>>3680415
>>3680433
It's much simpler. basically virginity was the only guarantee in agrarian society that both families (husband's and wive's halves) investing into their own progeny, not someone's else

>>3680430
Yes, It changes social behavior but not natural law.
>>3680434
>Its all material incentivei Im so smart.
You materialists should recognize how much you are to blame for this disfuctional social order

>>3680433
Its not about being hot, its about being virtuous. Porn addicted coomservatives like you too are to blame.

>>3680438
>but not natural law.
Homo Sapiens Sapiens natural ability is to alter it's ecumene. The whole rhetoric about natural law is the product of our consciousness.
>>Its all material incentivei Im so smart.
It's called anthropolgy dimwit.
But anyway, returning to the original subject.BG setting is nowhere close to actual medieval agrarian society, ergo female don't need to behave passive by default, since they aren't restricted to original survival patterns from IRL. We may argue that execution of this concept is done poorly because writter were more interested in projecting themselves and their (modern) worldview on fictional setting, but point still stands, such fiction as BG or PF, or most of the generic fantasy settings don't need to adjust themselves to harsh IRL conditions

>>3674231
>which persisted through november of last year
It’s still in the game. My friend played through the game 2 weeks ago and was complaining about how they try to rape him time after time despite him refusing them.

>>3680415
What the hell is with the capitalized It/If/Is

>>3680454
Im on my phone and english is not my first language.

>>3680460
Okay cool, well I'm copying It

>>3680442
>actual medieval agrarian society
But its clearly inspired by its aesthetics and by tropes that originates in medieval (agrarian) romances. As such, the viewer (or player) expects that is somewhat follows Its moral context.
On another subject, anthropology is fine, but we arent talking about It, its about virtues. Virginity and chastity cant be morally comprehended in materialistic terms. You cant argue morals based on anthropology because morals are not material. It may seem like an answer to you, but in fact its a terrible argument that works in opposition to the point that chastity os good and virtuous. In fact, you are talking me and others that chastity is just useful, but not good, and that in fact nothing is good, but just useful. And with that, although it may work for some, you cant argue morality, and can assign a label of good or bad to chastity, or whatever other traits.
But you are correct in one thing, this game isnt fantasy. Its modernity with fantastic medieval costumes, which is a pity. But that is beyond the point, my original intent was simply to argue why virginity in women is seen as good.

>>3680465
>its clearly inspired by its aesthetics and by tropes that originates in medieval (agrarian) romances
Are you American?

>>3680479
NTA but even fabliaux (which are not romances) satirizing chastity prove the point. And being ESL makes it fairly obvious he isn't American, but your brainworms seem to be stronger.

>>3680415
>which is the non virtuous, modern day take on being a BADASS women.
Lae’zel has a line that’s reacting to disgust and horror to the thought of being unable to have sex for pleasure without the chance of getting pregnant. It was very immersion-breaking for the setting and her races culture, and clearly a modern writer projecting their politics inappropriately onto the material.

>>3680504
I don't know, if I was a woman roleplaying a woman, I wouldn't want realism and culture to affect the game and characters in such a supressing way either.
>oops that time of the month, can't do shit and my hormones act up worse than bhaals taint
>oops i followed the romance plot, now i'm sick in the mornings and the responsible thing to do is retire and raise a baby
That would SUCK, so yes I'm willing to give women a break from their SHITTY MISERABLE, AWFUL LIVES and let them do their cringe badass girlie roleplay.

>>3680514
>SHITTY MISERABLE, AWFUL LIVES
This is precisely what I’m talking about though, it’s Jewish subversion of the natural order. Having and raising children is literally women’s purpose in the natural order, and it’s the most beautiful and fulfilling thing. To not be a mother makes them insane and unhappy. They’ve been tricked to want what’s unhealthy for them and to not want what is healthy for them, while thinking it’s “empowering”

>>3680515
>"they've turned women into mindless consumers that do what's worse for themselves" said the incel
Oh the ironing!

>>3680515
>and it’s the most beautiful and fulfilling thing
Sure sure, but it's a fantasy battle frog. And who doesn't want the opportunity to experience a moment of pleasure without massive lifechanging consequences? Every human that has ever lived.

You're too deep into political culture shit. I can't blame you, but still.

>>3680415
Ok did you masturbate before getting married? If you didnt, you lost to lust and are used goods.

>>3677078
>no you live 300 years you would totally become gay and suck dicks if you lived a long time
Well probably yes and more. After ~100 years of doing the same hetero sex it could get boring. WH40K idea of space elves murder-fucking god of sex rape and party into existence just because they fell so hard into degenerate behavior out of long lifespan boredom is one of most reasonable parts of that setting.
Same idea is presented in Wither where old elves are melancholic depressed faggots because they did everything they could in life na grown bored of it.

>>3680529
You didnt even try to understand my point, but you must feel so smart right now I dont think its even worth It repeating myself.

>>3680514
I think what you dont get is that the romance plot shouldnt even end in sex. Heck, I think there shouldnt even be that many romance plots in RPGs.
You seem to believe life owes women (and men) anything.

>>3680534
>You seem to believe life owes women (and men) anything.
That's what you imagine.

But that's your preference. Seems to me like plenty of people enjoy romances in entertainment. Probably something to do with them being a natural part of life.

>>3680540
>But that's your preference.
Yes.
Im not concerned about peoples preferences though, my original intent was just to explain why virtues matter. Virtudes make for great relatable stories, and games consequentially.
While these overabundance of depravity makes for jarring experiences that betray the original intent of a game, and that slowly turns the RPG genre into dating sims for the freakiest out there.

>>3680541
>original intent of a game
For some, characters having relationships enhances roleplaying. If you can practice necromancy and murder, I don't see why sex is so bad.
But I can agree that roleplaying a virtuous character should always be a possibility.

>>3680548
Its not that It shouldnt be allowed, its that in BG3 case no character there is virtuous. It almost feels like It should be satirical, but you know very well that It is not

>>3680552
Tbqh you don;t have any textbook LG character in BG3.

>>3680552
>Its not that It shouldnt be allowed, its that in BG3 case no character there is virtuous
That's a shame, every RPG should have a paladin bro

>>3680592
5th ed ruined paladins. There is one and she’s an evil bloodthirsty drow. Random cultist mooks are paladins so they can have le burst damage smite-everything. Its fucking stupid.

>>3680523
I'm a boomer anon with a family, akshually, but you're always quick to project, mmm?
>>3680525
>fantasy battle frog
That's the thing, though. Like I said:
>It was very immersion-breaking for the setting and her races culture, and clearly a modern writer projecting their politics inappropriately onto the material.
Her society is hyper-militarized and focused exclusively on producing soldiers to kill mindflayers, it's their entire purpose. The purpose of sex is reproduction, they're inseparable. For her society, breeding strong soldiers is their ultimate goal, not a horrible consequence that threatens the pursuit of individual responsibility-free pleasure and hedonism. It's completely retarded and is clearly the result of writers that don't get the source material. Same with the whiny snot-nosed teenager in the creche "but I don't WANT to learn how to fight! This is STYOOPID!" Their culture simply would not produce such specimens, just like a primitive society of 6 INT spear-chuckers in the deepest darkest beating heart of Chult wouldn't produce rocket scientists.

>>3680621
>I'm at the bare minimum 60 years old
[X] doubt

And only zoomers are that confused about generations, so...

>>3680621
>For her society, breeding strong soldiers is their ultimate goal
Following that logic, there wouldn't be female warriors in the first place.
Anyways, societies change and 100% of individuals do not conform at all times.

Maybe you would prefer that they were what you described, and that's fine.

>>3680628
Imageboards are one of the few internet sites that stayed the near same for 20+ years so it makes more sense for boomers to be here than most other sites. On top of that because of the r/the_zionald rapefugee invasion there are lots of newfag boomers here too

>>3680632
>Following that logic, there wouldn't be female warriors in the first place.
For humans, or for systems that accurately model sexual dimorphism in physical strength, yes. For gith, it's handwaved away by magical genetic engineering and that they lay eggs and not birth live young.
However, if you can't see that (((nu-DnD))) in general, and wokeslop like BG3 in particular, intentionally and very blatantly attempt to subvert by projecting the writers' modern political sensibilities onto the source material, then I'm afraid there's no helping you, anon.
>>3680628
>boomer, in the context of 4chins, literally means someone born between 1946 and 1966 Anno Domini
Welcome, newfriend.

>>3680654
>Welcome, newfriend.
Could you remind me when the *oomer started, "oldfriend"?

>subverting forgotten realms with degeneracy
el oh el

>>3680658
>subverting forgotten realms with degeneracy
The Forgotten Realms have always been degenerate. The point of subversion is to subvert the minds, attitudes, and culture of impressionable young people playing modern games, you nitwit.

>>3680654
>attempt to subvert by projecting the writers' modern political sensibilities
Like sex without pregnancy?

>>3680671
>Like sex without pregnancy?
Correct.

>>3680674
Not very modern

>>3680758
>deliberate rug pull
Same with wanting to have a threesome with the writers self insert

>>3680760
>especially outside of cities, in FR live like actual historical people
Like yearly sex festivals? Yeah, totally normal.

>>3680813
What are their classes?

>>3680830
There, that's a better way to make the point. Good job.

>>3680813
8 str can't do pushups.

>>3680767
Were they ever in the release version's files?

>>3680795
They're cha because they're basically mooching their power off of someone else.

They never make halfling, gnome, or orc romantic interests in western rpgs. What did they mean by this?

>>3680953
what is that wojak comic meant to communicate? cuz all i'm getting is that everyone involved is a pathetic manchild faggot

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Damn.
As a WOTR player, I thought we had it bad with our one canonically gay guy Sosiel, but reading about all the sex pests in this game make him feel like a normal cool guy (and he actually is). The only and most equally sexually degenerate guy I could think of in both games is Regongar in KM. But the guy was bi and damaged (and a half-orc) with a traumatic past, so even he cannot compare to BG3's sexual deviants.

I guess if you want a virgin romance, Minthara is the only choice? Plus with the added bonus of fixing her lesbianism?
What's Shadowheart's bodycount you think?

>>3681092
What's your body count?

>>3681092
Sharranism is quite literally a sex cult, so it doesn't matter, it's countless.

>>3674275
>Why isn't there a male character who is a bitter porn addicted virgin?
Because it's not possible to be a virgin in Faerun. It's basically like Brazil in terms of sexual liberation.

>>3681092
Owlcat is pretty good about making gay stuff fit the setting and not stick out. If only they were as restrained about all the cucking and cheating in their companion romances.

>>3681600
>all the cucking and cheating
Write what you know

>>3680746
But those born with homosexual urges can very well virtuous If they arent sodomite freaks, and the game doesnt need to display the lowest common denominator of faggots unless It wishes to. Is this that hard to understand? Jesus nobody reads a thing in here.

>>3681634
And the self-hatting homosexual finally reveals himself.

>>3681641
>self-hatting
Were you paid for this reply? By whom?

>>3681649
>Were you paid for this reply? By whom?
Yes.
By your family. They love you anon as you are and want to stop hating yourself for being gay.

>>3681666
>Man, how come you dont like pedophiles and want them dead? Are you secretly one of them?

>>3681634
>But those born with homosexual urges can very well virtuous If they arent sodomite freaks
Not giving them much of a choice, huh?
>just masturbate bro

>>3681671
They could very well write characters whose homosexuslity inst a flamboyant faggot stereotype.
But for some reason some of you weird little trannies can only comprehend homosexuals in this jarring stereotypical form. They always must be depraved and retarded and live for the pleasure of butt fucking. Its as If you cant recognize homosexuals that dont cater to your American drag Queen fetish.
Astarion is this character and the fact that you certainly like him and has put the effort to come here and defend these sorts I can only assume you are either gay, trans or a most degenerate type of liberal.
Kill yourself and stop pretending your are not the guy that replied to me with the most tired sort of sophistry.

>>3681698
>Kill yourself and stop pretending your are not my american drag gay tranny liberal astarion fanboy strawman
Pump the brakes, your imagination is running wild

>>3674377
When the game spams pop-ups at you constantly asking for gay sex, you're being manipulated.
Unless you don't think pop-up malware is wrong

>>3681706
Xir is so ironic and funny, a real badass!!

>>3680922
No. In 5e Paladins canonically get their powers from fucking nothing and nowhere. They're really just Bards What Fight Good, and Bards are the 'I'm just good at everything for no reason' class that Sorcerers are supposed to be.

>>3681767
>In 5e Paladins canonically get their powers from fucking nothing and nowhere
Wrong.
In FR (5e) it still comes from their Deity just like before.
Source: SCAG, the sourcebook specific to the Sword Coast

>>3681874
>paladins get their power from the realm the gods live in, but doesn't require them to take a deity. technically the 2024 doesn't require the clerics to take a deity either
I hate WotC and 5th ed so much it’s unreal

>>3681880
This isn't completely new, Fall-from-grace was a priest with no deity
Paladins and clerics having a deity should be the default though. It's lame you don't even have the option to choose a deity if you're a Paladin in BG3

>>3681951
Jesus Christ planescape torment fans are the worst, and they are everywhere, It is as If this entre board has only playe a single RPG.
This isnt New but it is SHIT, this is a stupid Idea that entirely betrays the concept of a paladin.

>>3681874
>2024 phb
Irrelevant to BG3 or any other setting specific flavour. Setting specific splatbooks are exactly where you want to look if you want setting specific information.
The PHB is supposed to work in any setting and the fluff accommodates that.

>>3681868
>Trying to convince people they're trannies just like you
lol

>>3682042
Setting book about the Sword Coast isn't relevant (because ???) but the rule book still in playtest well after BG3 release is relevant... How?

>>3681874
>they could pray to a force
Gravity Cleric.

>>3682073
Gravity is an acceleration, weight is the force resulting from the interaction of gravity and mass
for me, it’s Torm

>>3676831
I liked the ending where she removes her mask and falls to her death
pure kino

>>3680277
>clearly designed to appeal to gurl gamur audience
It seems clear now, but certainly didn't at the time of release. Or am I just missing something?

Also, the previous installment of the serie were certainly different, so I don't think it's that unreasonable to expect similar tone.

>Despite the above, insist on not playing a female character
I actually DO play female character, but that nasty lesbo Shadowheart still had a crush on me. Like, can't we have event of girls having some platonic fun, does everything need to be about sex?

>>3682767
Sad, isn't it. The bonds of brotherhood are now an antiquated concept. It's all butt-fucking and rug-munching.

>>3682854
That is the consequence of wanting romance in games in an age of faggots.
They cant expect that male player to want a female romance and vice-versa, so either everything is romance or everything is friendship.
Surely they could add characters that arent romanceable and character that are, but then people would just complain about the "lack of freedom and enough options, you should be able to romance whomever you wish"

I haven't played BG3 yet, how viable is evil build there? I like running with Xzar and Montaron in BG1 (mostly becuase they were first to join), and it was nice to be sort of a dick in dialogues. In BG2 I was sad there is only one party composition (Korgan, Edwin, Viconia) and everybody hates you if you become just a bit evil.

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>>3682880
No one's going to leave the party over you being generally evil if that's what you're asking, though some will leave if you undertake specific actions. There are enough companion who don't mind you being a cunt for you to form a workable party, but as you'd expect there more good than evil party members.

>>3682939
Meant for >>3682929

>shadowheart turns on the party for some silly reason
>pick her up and throw her into the void
The simple things in life are the best.

>>3682767
>It seems clear now, but certainly didn't at the time of release. Or am I just missing something?
She always looked more like a Onlyfans whore than a D&D character. That was the general consensus just looking at the promo materials and EA years before the game release.

>Also, the previous installment of the serie were certainly different, so I don't think it's that unreasonable to expect similar tone.
How? Different devs, different IP owners, and even different edition (5e FR is basically a new setting with old FR flavor).

>>3682939
Thank you anon, as long as I can be a bad virtual person, I am ok.

>>3674250
>Shadowheart was a deliberate bait and switch
You thought a very attractive, female fanatic of Shar was going to be a virgin?

>>3683117
Strange how a death cult is so horny.

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>>3683117

>>3674224
Western developers are cucks and they can't help themselves.
It's their way to cope with the fact that they are dating some turboslut single mother.

>>3674224
A girl I used to know has +1k hours in this game.
I have no idea what to make of it.

>>3683323
Well you gotta at least try and make some judgements based on this one fact.
Maybe she's a stupid dumb whore who you didn't want to marry anyway?

>>3683323
Bet she'd be proper dirty in bed. Phwoar.

>>3683132
Check Freud's Beyond the Pleasure Principle. Thanatos and Eros are powerful drives, often interwined with each other, in constant strive whether the will to live or desire to die will come on top.

>>3674443
Fuck off you stupid idiot.

>>3682880
It could be mitigated in a Schrodinger's Gay sort of way. Start with platonic relationships and hide the romance beneath the player's aggressive pursuit of it rather than throwing it in your face like most games do.

>>3683198
They fixed the neck seam

>>3683750
Could be possible, but I guess tiktok Brain sexpests would be filtered, which for me and many that agree with me would be great, but I guess It would have a negative effect on sales for this sort of game.
Which could be good, we dont need anymore AAA games.

>>3683921
The sales they would gain from normal fans wouldn't cover what they would lose from blackrock investors and the tranny market.
Capitalism has failed!

>>3683934
>blackrock investors
It’s this. No sales from actual fans can ever compete with infinite fiat printed to devalue the dollar and distributed for social engineering projects.

>>3683934
Yes It has.
Liberalism has always been the Devil and conservatives from the past that werent yet addicted to consummerism and 80s goon nostalgia were smart enough to see that.
Not anymore

>>3677077
Ahahahahahaaa oh fuck thats funny

>>3680277
>join community full of gay, theys, sigmas and sluts
>play games made by gays, theys, sigmas and sluts
>REEEEEEEEE WHY DID THESE SLUTS AND SIGMAS PUT SO MANY GAYS AND THEYS IN HERE?!

fucks sake little guys if you cant take the heat dont step into our kitchen. I just dont understand how they keep doing this to themselves.

>>3680415
>Virginity is a virtue
Then youre fucking christlike

>>3680515
Youre just not very fuckable little guy. Youre whining about video game characters not sharing in your virginity, youre blaming jews for your unhappiness, youre acting like youre better than women despite obviously being some sort of half baked runt... have you considered that youre at least PART of the problem? Whatever happened to personal responsibility to make it such a politically incorrect leftist value?

>>3683983
>Liberalism has always been the Devil and conservatives
Conservatives didn't make DnD or any other classic RPGs

>>3684066
Conservatives helped, itd be silly to say they werent part of it. But itd be fucking insane to pretend they were the majority of players and creators when they were barely a plurality and were oppossed to fantasy roleplaying for the same reasons we see ITT from the virgins chorus.

>>3684066
Yes, but medieval fantasy and fantasy stories are, in its conception, conservative. Romanticism is conservative.
But this is not the point, and your answer too doesnt address It.
The point is that liberalism is what distorted the fantasy gente to its extreme until It became the unrecognizable monstrosity that It is today
RPGs are good and fun despite not being conservative or anything, not everything has to be conservative, but add too much liberalism and disruption to an Idea and you end up with only a husk of the original thing you liberalized so much. This is the point.

>>3684061
>Then youre fucking christlike
Thank you?

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>>3684072
>enjoy a video game

>>3684076
Dont thank me, thank whatever is so repellant about you.

>>3684074
Fantasy stories are not inherently conservative, thats retarded. And projecting.

Lets pretend that all "medieval fantasy" is conservative though. Thatd just be one segment of the broader genre. And a fairly unproductive one at that given that the energy these days isnt around game of thrones clones.

Frankly i think by liberalism you just mean "modernisms i dislike" and by conservative you mean "modernisms i like". They/they pronouns for a trans person vs guards behaving like the NYPD.

>>3684074
>Romanticism is conservative
Smartest election tourist.

>>3684083
Honestly dude i think this is just what being a secondary does to a motherfucker. How many 8 hour youtube videos summarizing media and experiences that anon never has had or has sought out can you experience before you see the world in really simple, clunky binary terms? Hes a victim of circumstance really. Poor bastard.

>>3684085
If only he finished high school. Saves you from this kind of public embarrassment. Luckily for him we're all anonymous here.

>>3684087
Its deeper than that. Idk maybe its because im getting old, i just feel bad for these kids and how they were taught to think and feel. Specifically, taught not to do those things and to trust online summaries over irl experiences. Its disturbing to me. He needed like, some older adult to gently humiliate him for being a jackass and then teach him how to be excellent in a field. But i dont think thats a thing anymore, i know it was dying when i was a kid. This website used to be all orange groves you know. Far as the eye could see.....

>>3684073
I agree. Pushing for new, fresh ideas, that's not the strength of conservatives. People today rightfully have disdain for "subversion", but that's what Planescape: Torment was at the time.

But because things can never be simple, we need both types of people, attempting some sort of balance.

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>>3684094
Yeah! And really i dont even want them to have to strain themselves doing something theyre bad at. Conan didnt reinvent the wheel but its well done pulp fantasy by someone i think we can all agree is a conservative. Yknow its like that old expression in picrel.

In heaven the artists are liberals, everyone is the audience and the community organized by conservatives. In hell the artists are conservatives, the audience is liberal and the community has to be organized by everybody.

>>3684099
>the audience is liberal and the community has to be organized by everybody.
Totally unimportant but strike that and reverse it, it works better that way. My fuck up.

>>3684099
>british police
lmao. How long ago was that written?

>>3684106
Oh its old as dirt (my nuno used to say it) that why its all eurotrash. But its a fun a sentiment nontheless, you can do it with anything.

Heaven is
Where the Police are Midwestern
The Chefs Immigrants
The Mechanics Southern
The Lovers Californian &
All is organized by New England

Hell is
Where the Police are Southern
The Chefs Midwestern
The Mechanics Californian
The Lovers from New England &
All is organized by Immigrants

>>3684061
>Then youre fucking christlike
Thank you?

>>3684083
>>3684082
By liberalism and conservatism I dont even mean to referenced the current political zeitgeist that disgraces your country in current day.
I mean to approach this discussion is broader terms. So let me define them.
Liberalism refers to the ideology shaped over the years before and after french revolution, that spread especially around the western world shaping its republics, Its democratic ideals, constitutions etc.
By conservatives of the past I refer very especifically to characters like Chesterton, of these old school style of conservatism more concerned with Catholic morality, classical philosophy, traditional systems of government etc.
Anyways, fantasy and medievalism as we know arose in this period as a reaction to the inherently confusing moment of industrial revolution, and shaped many of romanticism and fantasy literature thereafter. Tropes of heroism, cavalry, nobility etc. are all revived here and are still referenced in modern day fantasy media.
That what I say when I mean conservative. I mean that fantasy should embody universal values and virtudes, and aspire to bring with this spirit of a more ordered world that lays in the past.
So when there are pronouns in a fantasy game, or turbosluts, or astarion-level faggotry, these are all contemporary talking points, and Very especifically from the current post 2010 political discourse, yes, internationalized by America. These arent universal, dont fit fantasy and have an expiration date, in a few decades, these talking points will make no sense to any average viewer (or player), that will be corncerned with many other ideological issues.
About you "two"
>>3684083
>>3684085
>>3684087
>>3684091
Please stop pretending you are not talking to yourself. Thats pathetic, really.

>>3684072
>Do you just not know what its like to enjoy a video game?
This was an actual woman not a man pretending to be one. Putting in over 1k hours into an RPG that's been out for less than 2 years. She wasn't an obese femcel either.

>>3684128
>Putting in over 1k hours into an RPG that's been out for less than 2 years
That leaves her no time to watch garbage on netflix!

>>3684126
Right youre saying that, but its not in evidence. Your examples were pronouns and homosexuality, so pretty much exactly what i said youd cite. And also just really foreshadowing how shallow you are with fantasy and history if these are like crushingly modern to you. I dont like the execution, but i dont think thats your stance.

>Anyways, fantasy and medievalism as we know arose in this period as a reaction to the inherently confusing moment of industrial revolution, and shaped many of romanticism and fantasy literature
Thats wrong. Fantasy has always been part of the human literary canon, even if we churlishly decide that mythology doesn't count, explicitly fictional folk stories are still ubiquitous in oral traditions. Which anthropologically speaking is evidence for it being around for a very, very long time.
Furthermore fantasy as *we* know it was defined much more by things like game of thrones, peter jackson, elder scrolls, d&d and the supernatural romance genre than what youre talking about. Which would have been out of touch with contemporary fantasy even like 10 years ago. I also dont democracy has been a very strong theme in contemporary fantasy, but im open to being wrong if only for a nice recommendation.

Its just silly to view fantasy this way imho. It isnt inherently liberal or conservative, which is already naively binary for a cultural discussion, its just human. We all fantasize, its a species defining trait really. You dont know any good grasshopper stories do you? Me neither.

>>3684128
Yeah dude but thats just enjoying a game lmfao are you like 12

>>3684192
>We all fantasize, its a species defining trait really. You dont know any good grasshopper stories do you?
I've seen dogs run while they're asleep.. I wonder what's going on in their little heads..

>>3684196
Probably a dream, which isnt a communicable story is it? Your dog share any spooky nightmares with you? What about crows, who can talk to each other, why dont we see them discuss the crow dreamtime?

>>3684198
>Probably a dream, which isnt a communicable story is it?
But you said fantasize, not "communicable story"

>>3684200
Which i said in the context of fantasy as a genre of media; a dog's dream isn't a fantasy story as you or i understand it nor are they capable of narrative or communication. Like god damn are you this pedantic? Hows the hairline?

>>3674245
Least cucked and retarded BG3 player.

>>3684072
Take your pills, stinky incels.

>>3684198
>>3684212
>are you this pedantic?
No, I just wanted to see if you would simply say
>oops I meant telling stories
or go on about dog dreams not being communicable stories because dogs can't speak, and asking about my hairline, because you feel this is an argument you must win.

>>3684222
I feel like its an argument we shouldnt even be having and only have because youre a closeted pedant.

>>3684233
Do you now regret arguing about dog dreams?

>>3684246
I still just think youre pedantic and unpleasant desu

>>3684192
This is just sophistry at this point.
We all fantasize, but fantasy as in D&D medieval fantasy isnt the same as the fantasy you come up with on your dreams
The words are the same but the meaning of each is different. Jesus Christ... I cant believe you are serious.

>>3684363
Just adding to my reply, lets picina classic, Odyssey. It is fantastical and is certainly a story, but is not Fantasy as in Fantasy, the genre. Its an epic, which is different.
Some aspect of heroism in It contained are adopted by the fantasy of romanticism, but they are not the same.
This romantic Fantasy eventually culminates into Tolkiens works, that shaped the modern concept of Fantasy, the genre. As you can see, Tolkiens story embodies values similar to the ones of Odyssey, but its tropes, aesthetics and some of its themes are diferent, so they arent the same despite both being fantastical stories told by humans.
In short, not all fantasy is Fantasy(, the genre).
Games should me more Fantasy, the gente. This would fix things.

>>3684126
Least autist retard election tourist.

>>3684459
You are indian

>>3684460
>proving my point
Thanks I guess.

>>3684363
D&D isnt even "medieval fantasy". It doesnt even attempt to simulate our medieval world.

>>3684367
You keep saying "its different", you never give an example.

>>3684466
Tourist. Or, expat.

>>3684597
>You keep saying "its different", you never give an example.
I just gave an example with Odyssey and Lord of the Rings what are you talking about.
And of course D&D is medieval Fantasy, we got kings, Queens, armor and swords, Magic, Dragons, all tropes that are defining to the genre of medieval Fantasy, let Aline the clear inspiration in swords and sorcery stories and, once again, Tolkien.
You may say It no longer is though, and that its just Fantasy modern world in Disneyland costumes, and that we dont want tell medieval stories but modern ones with a cute dressing, and to that Id reply: Yes, I agree, and that is the problem

>>3684606
Lol jackass, you mentioned those things what you didnt do was explain how theyre different. You just claim it.

D&D from the jump was never attempting to simulate any historical period we would recognize. It smashed the technology of hundreds of years with social structures ripped from the cowboy pulp pages. A wild west fantasy world of frontier justice fused with the grey mouser. Im not saying anything new here either.

The conventions youre citing have been seem across cultures. It wasnt long before D&D was being used to include elements of central and east asia. With open source fan content hitting other cultures.

My stance is that D&D has always been anachronistic, that calling it conservative due to a perceived medieval simulation is silly and that while creative fanbase has been decidedly progressive for decades, fantasy roleplaying is ultimately just a fun thing humans do. You mook.

>>3684655
>Lol jackass, you mentioned those things what you didnt do was explain how theyre different. You just claim it.
They are different because the fantastical depictions in Odyssey dont carry with them the same medieval-nostalgia of romanticist Fantasy, that gave birth to the genre as we know It. The virtues and tropes of chivalry arent present in Odyssey, for example, even though other universal virtues are. These are things Ive said before in different ways in past replied and I dont feel like repeating myself
Yes, D&D has always been Pulp but I never meant to say what D&D should be. I meant to write a little about what good Fantasy is and why modem fantasy feels off, and how liberalism and its denial of virtues and insertion of current day ideological talking points have a lot to do with it. D&D's current state is a symptom of this, clear as day, for in the past It used to clearly respect the foundational works and tropes of traditional fantasy, while mixing anachronisms for flavor and aesthetics.
And about your fourth point, this is Just semantics at this point, just like when you told me every fantasy is Fantasy because you are fantasizing something.
Roleplaying games arent roleplaying in the same way as, for example, erotic roleplaying, and It is silly to think they are the same just because the words we use to define these objects are identical.
There is of course a middle term to It ALL and, yes, as you have said, D&D used to be exactly that. It was anachronistic, aggregated many others genres and tropes and other styles of ficction but It still retained the parts that still made It Fantasy and didnt contratict the feel of setting.
Nowadays however we continually insert themes in Fantasy-media that arent only anachronistic, but strictly contemporary. Political talking points that only reflect the ideologies of post-2010 American liberals. And that is where the problem is at.

>>3684733
>Nowadays however we continually insert themes in Fantasy-media that arent only anachronistic, but strictly contemporary. Political talking points that only reflect the ideologies of post-2010 American liberals. And that is where the problem is at.
This fucked up BG3 big time.

>>3684072
rare tinfoil hat 4chan roastie
>the elites fear le women
lmao

>>3674245
>Nooo you can't say virgins are better or have your own value system.
lmao.

>>3684742
Thats not something i made up lol, peter thiel is very open about this. They love that weak little imbecile curtis yarvin. Repealing women's rights is a necessary step for them dismantling democracy.

>>3684733
>liberal denial of virtue
Fucks sake, such as *what*?

>Nowadays however we continually insert themes in Fantasy-media that arent only anachronistic, but strictly contemporary.
Such as what? And as opposed to what? Thats an entirely different angle on the argument you've claimed to be making. God you are so obviously full of shit and desperate to justify your own bologney.

>>3684762
>Fucks sake, such as *what*?
SUCH AS THE FACT THAT TBESE VIRTUES ARE NOT ADDRESSED NOR REPRESENTED IN THE GAME I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE SUCH A DUMB INCAPABLE FAGGOT MY GOD.
>Such as
Such as transgender acceptance, non-binary genders, pronouns-in-bio etc.

>>3684771
Well someone should really tell the elitws then because they want the genie back in the bottle

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democracy_n_5747079be4b03ede4413f6f5/amp

>>3684772
>virtues
What virtues and how are they denied in what instance? Ya hump.
Trans people, non binary pronouns and gender nonconformity are in no way modern lmfao. These are things found across the globe my guy.

Youre the worst dude youre pretty and argumentative but you dont even seem to have a point or examples. Just things that make you feel good to say.

>>3684901
Doesnt seem like they feel that way, seems like it was a forced concession they regret making because it enfranchised too many people.

>>3684898
That would not alter my statement at all.

>>3684837
>nonconformity are in no way modern lmfao. These are things found across the globe my guy.
Sure they are...
Like How pederasty is 1:1 modern day homosexuality
Cmon man, stop with this sophistry for once. Every third gender out there works as a chaste for young men forced to be sodomized by men more powerful than them in trade of some material gain.
Eunuchs too arent thrid genders, they are Men, Men emasculated against their desire and made to serve.
Furthermore, non-binary genders as we have today, with the use of they/them pronouns, xe/xir fae/fae etc. are a phenomena srrictly correlated with the popularizarion of retarded porn addicted teen subcultures from Tumblr after they banned porn and other freakish sites. Transgenderism as a phenomena yes did show up earlier. In Brazil, transvestism was somewhat common even before the 80s, but this push for acceptance wasnt.
Trannies would be homosexuals that really wanted to fuck desperate heterosexual Men, like truckers, and you dress up. Now however, modern transsexualism takes the form of porn-addicted autogynephilic men that are convinced by internet subcommunities that yes they indees trans, while in fact they are just too deep into porn and so dessensitized to real sexuality that their own ass in a skirt and the cocks they see on video turn attractive in ways they previously werent, and so they troon out.
It is as If you have NEVER seen it happening. Are you really so ignorant of the world you live in? Are you really so incapable of understanding that these modern discussions and the literature that justify It are all very very modern things?
Yes, feminist philosophy did use to deal w these themes, but their objectives are clearly ideological, arent they? They have a point to prove, about themselves, women. This we see today inst academic as It was before, It is clearly an organic moviment triggered porn addiction and internet subculture, that certainly doesnt fit AT ALL into medieval fantasy.

>>3684894
I still dont support turbosluts romance in RPGs. And the second most popular was Gale as you can read on top.
We really cannot pretend these romance sex scenes werent a big part in selling this game. If It werent a dating sim It frankly wouldnt be half as popular, and we all know It. Which is a pity.

>>3685047
You are right, I misunderstood what was said on top. My bad
Still, my second point stands.

>>3685041
>If It werent a dating sim It frankly wouldnt be half as popular, and we all know It. Which is a pity.
You can be a twat and cry about BG3 not being what you personally wanted, or you can see this as an opportunity for the whole genre. Growth in audience, growth in funds towards RPGs.
Autistic number RPGs were never going to be popular, so you can forget that.

There's now more people looking for a RPG, so I hope indie devs get serious.

>>3685091
You may be content with shit because "the genre is winning" but frankly It makes no difference to me since I dont play these dating sims.
It is an opportunity for companies, but is certainly a loss in character to the genre. Not that you care, you really seem to enjoy tranny sexpestslop and there is nothing I can say that will change your mind

>>3684946
>they are happy as fuck because it gives them voters, drives wages down and is genociding whites, retardo
No, thats not what peter thiel says or funds and its not in alignment with curtis yarvin whose screeching has been an ideological rallying cry for these freaks. Remember they want to increase birthrates, slash public education and make it difficult for labor to travel around. Gives you a stable stupid supply of workers competing against each other who cant leave.

>DND was made by a straight white male
That also doesnt alter my statement lol, youre not a logical kid are ya?

>>3685039
>Like How pederasty is 1:1 modern day homosexuality
Oh god no lmfao, its only about as "1:1" as the pedophilia practiced by heterosexuals is to modern heterosexuality. The age dynamics change the whole situation really, in addition to gay/straight being a modernism. Life spans and mobility went up and so did age of consent laws as well as a general interest in protecting children. Thats fine though, i dont want pedophilia in my fantasy no matter what Matt Walsh says.

>Eunuchs too arent thrid genders
Ok, third genders are though.

>Transgenderism as a phenomena yes did show up earlier.
Yep, earliest written record are the salzikrum of hammurabi's age while the earliest written record of hrt involved the use licorice root as an anti androgen. That account was of scythian priests who transitioned their bodies to an androgynous state, written by an ancient Greek.

>Trannies would be homosexuals that really wanted to fuck desperate heterosexual
That sounds a lot like a porn you watch.

>is as If you have NEVER seen it happening
Correct youre like, super of full shit and clearly compensating for something by huffing and puffing all this zero detail whining over 1% of the population. Youre not an intellectual, youre barely even a shitposter anymore. These are just schizo rants like you sound un-fucking-well

>>3685140
>but is certainly a loss in character to the genre
Explain how?

>>3685145
>salzikrum
Were they of the sodomized men sort of of the women that need to inherit property?
>That sounds a lot like a porn you watch.
I live in Brazil, these are well known dynamics, not that an American tranny would know.
Frankly, Man, it took me a while, and I just though you were a reddittor hell Bent on arguing for your ideology, but now I realize yourself are a tranny. I pity you, dont ruin your body too much, and stop inserting foreign objects up your anus If possible, you will regret It when you end up wearing diapers.
You are full of shit, and dont put a single second of effort into understanding my examples. This discussion has no point really, you are just a porn addict crossdresser trying to justify his own inadequacy.
>>3685152
Well, dating simulation shouldnt be the main attraction of an RPG but given its popularity the genre is sure to shift more and more towards this direction to the point BG4 (that will one day come out) will feature even more intricate dating mechanics and probably many allusions to It on its trailer.

>>3685163
>Were they of the sodomized men sort of of the women that need to inherit property?
What

>these are well known dynamics
To people with trans fixations maybe

>now I realize yourself are a tranny
I think what you realised is that you sound silly and forgot what your point was even supposed to be.

>body
Statistically speaking its just not likely youre on my physical level

>dating simulation shouldnt be the main attraction of an RPG
Ok, but role playing should be and unless we role play as you that role may include being likable to other people.

>>3685167
>Statistically speaking its just not likely youre on my physical level
Yes, you are the 1% who dresses up as women, Im glad Im not you statistically
>Ok, but role playing should be and unless we role play as you that role may include being likable to other people.
Back to tg you should go

>>3685163
>Well, dating simulation shouldnt be the main attraction of an RPG but given its popularity the genre is sure to shift more and more towards this direction to the point BG4 (that will one day come out) will feature even more intricate dating mechanics and probably many allusions to It on its trailer.
You could have said this over 20 years ago, when it was proven that people like having characters and interactions with them.

I don't see how it took anything away from the genre: everyone was free to make RPGs without character interactions, and be successful. Skyrim became the most popular RPG of all time, without romance.

So it seems to me you're a regular doomer pointing fingers.
>because of Skyrim we won't get turn-based topdown RPGs!!!
>ok well we got that but..
>it had romance so now RPGs are ruined by that!!
Tiresome

>>3685196
By no mean am I saying that its over, Just that It pushes high value productions towards these newfound standards. Of course we will still get RPGs that fit my tastes, but the overall perception and standards of the genre will have changed for worse, which I find a pity.

>>3685200
>Just that It pushes high value productions towards these newfound standards
What high value productions were there previously, that are now being "pushed"?

Newfound standards? You forgot Dragon Age already?

>>3685217
>You forgot Dragon Age already
Oh but that is not a good example. That is a game that has been in devolpment since before the release of BG3 and that has be made and remade many time by Its developers. And still, romance Is a big part of it and previous entries in the series too.
>What high value productions were there previously, that are now being "pushed"?
Not my point
What I mean is that romance in RPGs more than ever will continue to grow as essential to the genre and push It towards a direction I find bad, especially for high value productions that must play It safe and cater to a broad audience.

>>3674224
This game focused way too much on casual sex with your party and not enough on interesting gameplay.

>>3685242
Actually an even more worthless aspect about the companions is a lack of racial diversity. 2 freakshit characters and then a bunch of elves and humans. Where the fuck are the dwarves, halflings amd gnomes?

>>3685189
No i mean im something of an amateur athlete and you seem like a bitter weirdo.

>>3685196
Even when wrpgs didnt have romances, mods picked up the slack. Theres hella baldurs gate romance mods out there.

>>3685251
>No i mean im something of an amateur athlete
Sure you are

>>3685241
>Dragon Age
>Oh but that is not a good example. That is a game that has been in devolpment since before the release of BG3
Dragon Age: Origins (2009)
>What I mean is that romance in RPGs more than ever will continue to grow as essential to the genre
Romance in RPGs became popular already in the 2000s. Baldur's Gate 2 (2000) for one.

Were you born yesterday, or what?

>>3685260
Bjj

>>3685280
Blow job job?

>>3685269
Sorry, though you meant Veilguard, I have to admit.
Yes, you are right, BioWare romance had been popular for a while now, but more restricted to BioWare titles. Now after BG3 It surely has become something much more widespread, and its not romance by itself the problem but this dating sim romance style that snds in sex scenes and is like porn for lonely players.
Romance like we see in GBA fire emblem for example, that only show up after the ending is much better imo

>>3685293
No brazilian jiu jitsu

>>3685294
>Now after BG3 It surely has become something much more widespread
Has it? Name a few sex RPGs following this "new trend"

>>3685300
That is why I said "surely", they are yes to released but they will surely do!

Every retarded and salty developer said that "BG3 was raising the bar for cRPGs" and all they meant was that it high production values and a budget they couldn't match.

>>3685304
They are yes to release, Jesus having a hard time typing today...

>>3685316
Yet! Yet to release

>>3683132
They have nothing to lose and have little reason to care about the longterm consequences of hedonism. Sharism is also a death-cult of the self. If Lady Shar takes all the bad memories, the body remains. Physical pleasure seeking becomes a way to find direction.

>>3683198
Shadowheart lost a bit of weight until release? I don't get it.

>>3685419
Her face has the same fatness. They gave her a bigger chin and thinner lips.

>>3685294
>Now after BG3 It surely has become something much more widespread, and its not romance by itself the problem but this dating sim romance style that snds in sex scenes and is like porn for lonely players.
It should have become widespread with VTMB. Hot babes are half the reason the game became a cult classic.

How long will it take for RPG devs to catch on? Characters are what makes the genre. Let players bang them, for christ's sake!

>>3674224
I genuinely think you have to be a desperate loser with the standards at the floor to enjoy any of the romances.

>>3686866
name 3 games with good romances

>>3686894
I don't think anything is good and I don't enjoy anything. If you do, you're stupider than me.

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So when's the new patch coming out?

>>3686894
VtM:R, Anezka
FF10, Yuna
Wotr, Camellia

>>3686894
I cant name three but I think GBA era Fire Emblema and SNES era Fire Emblem has pretty tasteful romance with the Supports.
They add flavor, dont ocercome their stay, dont end in sex scenes and the paired endings make for a unique experience.
Echoes did It well too, with the Canon romances and what not.
These would be the only games in which I think romances are well implemented

>>3686894
Saya no Uta
The Maiden Rape Assault - Violent Semen Inferno
And, er... Jackie Chan

>>3686894
Lunar 2
Persona 3 FES
Xenogears
Mass Effect 1-3

Then I can list a bunch more than aren't the best but better than Baldur's Cuck 3.

>>3685251
> i mean im something of an amateur athlete
i walk to the fridge for my own beers too

>>3674452
>You must realize that someone might not be inclined or able to spend time on replaying a video game.
Sucks to suck.

>>3676919
What's next, skip combat?

>>3687642
That's what speech checks are for, yes.

>>3687650
lol @ you if you’d ever do this
>t. always plays a high CHA paladin specialized in diplomacy or persuasion

>>3687664
>oligarchs decided to ban abortion
Stopped reading here.

>>3684111
I can assure that the police are Californian in hell

>>3688175
>we just established that hiring thousands of unqualified minorities and women and explicitly distributing against white men did nothing for minorities and women
You aren’t very smart and I see no reason to entertain the rest of your drivel.

>>3688229
Show me the statistics or youre just making shit up. Or repeating something someone else made up.

>>3688484
You are a caricature of a retarded leftist, but you're too ignorant and lacking in self-awareness to recognize it. I hope that some day you will learn and mature.
>t. ex-leftist

>/vrpg/
nope
>/pol/
yep
wtf is happening in this thread...

>>3688533
The funny part was the derailer accusing others of not wanting to talk about games while writing long posts that weren’t about games.