Trying to get back into gaming after a decade of drug abuse and vagabond lifestyle.My favorite genres were strategy games and rpgs (both jrpgs and wrpgs).Tried the Witcher 3, Chained Echoes and Xenoblade Chronicles 3 recently. And holy shit what's up with the excessive handholding and obnoxious quest markers? It completely ruins games for me. I like figuring out things myself and exploring (find it immersive).Are all modern games like this? Are there games that aren't like this?
Get the Neverwinter Nights Enhanced Edition if you want complex gameplay that doesn't hold your hand.
All triple A games are like that now
>>3675241Welcome to modern gaming. Normally I would make a snide comment asking what you did to be in prison / a coma for the last decade thereby implying that you are a retard for not realising how shit thing have become but you already covered that you genuinely have been out of circulation for a decade.
>>3675243NWN counts as non-handholdy now? Jeez. The whole tutorial section of the game felt super handholdy back then. A real slog.
>>3675241>holy shit what's up with the excessive handholding and obnoxious quest markersI released a game this year. Every ability had a description. With very few exceptions, the early players and streamers did not read these descriptions and largely did not make use of the tools given to them.There was one case where the streamer was getting raped by a magic-using enemy and trying to heal through the damage. He had a silence ability that would have trivialized the fight.Before launch I went back and added some excessive handholding that explicitly tells you how to use the abilities.What can you do? Gamers are different now.
>>3675252That's only if you play the (shitty) original campaign. You can skip that one and start at SOU
>>3675257>a silence ability that would have trivialized the fightBut I don't want to trivialize fights. I'd feel like I'm playing it wrong.Plus I get the feeling that later wizards would have some sort of protection against Silence so not learning how to fight them properly seems like it'd bite me in the ass later.
>>3675257>Gamers are different now.They used to be kids with all the time in the world to play that one game their parents bought them.A streamer trying to entertaining their audience, who could play 5 full games for 5 bucks, most likely isn't invested enough to read a bunch of spell descriptions of a game.If someone doesn't study a game, the game simply failed in capturing their interest and motivating them to delve deeper. The game has to be really fucking good to deserve investment.
>>3675241Mainstream games and games with ambitions to go mainstream (not necessarily AAA or even AA) strive to appeal to widest possible audience, that means being accessible even to dimwits.Your other option are so called indie games, made by small team (or even just a single person) pursuing personal vision or catering to small audience. Now if you'd be so kind, go check out Hobo Tough Life and let me know how you like it, you're poised to give some valuable insight.
>>3675241>Are all modern games like this?Yes.
games are made for zoomerszoomers are low iq cretinswa la, here we are nowwhich drugs you had take?
>>3675365all kinds of drugsdesigner drugs and typical drugsbenzos, dissos (for example ketamine), stims (mephedrone, flakka, coke), booze, sometimes opioids but rarelyI was never sober and still face legal troubles due to my behavior under the influence.
>>3675368Any pen time? Maybe try Disco Elysium kek but its more of virtual novel than old school rpg
>>3675372>pen timewe'll see. have to see the judge. hopefully not lol
>be junkie>Live for the fullest, even if you "regret" it>Be incel>Waste your entire life away while being grumpy and drowning in self pityWe are not the same
>>3675241Play the game of rope you attentionwhoring fuck
>>3675257How much did you sold? What genre of RPG did you make?
>>3675284Sounds like the game just isn't for them. Devanons should create games for people that actually care
>>3675241Try Kingdom Come: Deliverance (or wait for the sequel in january). It's all about realism and immersion.Try Baldur's Gate 3 in Honor mode. It'll fuck you in the ass, though. Lots of exploration and creative problem solving/strategy.I'd say also try Cyberpunk, since it's one of the most immersive games ever made, but it points you exactly where it wants you to go, at least during missions. You might be able to turn those off, though I don't know how intuitive the game will be without them.Can also try Elden Ring, I personally don't really like it (the world is boring and it isn't really an RPG, though it tries to pretend) but everyone seems to call it the best game ever and it has 0 handholding, so, who knows.
>>3675243>nwn>complexare you fucking stupidnwn is barely a fucking game with how uninteractive it is
>>3675399Certainly, could very well be that they're not the right player. Just, don't be blind to the possibility that the game could be improved. For example, a better UI where information is effortlessly available.
>>3675392kys i will never kms
>>3675393>How much did you sold?Fuckin' nothing lmao. Pic related.Honestly small-scale games aren't really worth it. Just leave them on itch.>What genre of RPG did you make?Dragon Quest 1 + FTL.>>3675284I don't disagree with, this by the way.The entertainment landscape is different, so of course gamers are going to be different.Nevertheless, there's just not really attention anymore. The same forces that make people caption their videos one word at a time also make devs put in handholding.>>3675273>I'd feel like I'm playing it wrong.I am, clearly, way out of touch. But for me, playing wrong is getting killed by an enemy when I have the tools to win.>I get the feeling that later wizards would have some sort of protection against SilenceThe second form of the final boss, yeah. Nothing else.
>>3675487>Nevertheless, there's just not really attention anymore. The same forces that make people caption their videos one word at a time also make devs put in handholding.Then again there's something like Minecraft, with billions of kids fucking LEARNING it thoroughly.I have a nephew who's into it and it's funny how the little dude is like a walking wiki of minecraft knowledge.
>>3675376Depends on the county and charge more than anything else when it comes to that sort of thing.
>>3675487>Dragon Quest 1 + FTLIs it Dream Warrior? I almost bought that last steam sale.
>>3675541I wasn't going to shill in this thread, but yeah, that's the one. I shilled a bit in /v/ during the last sale and generally try keep it to a minimum. I guess there aren't that many games that tried that exact combo, huh?
>>3675407>t. fighter playerkek, you get what you put in
>>3675241Unironically play BG3, it's the only modern AAA that's not like this
>>3675284>They used to be kids with all the time in the world to play that one game their parents bought them. A streamer trying to entertaining their audienceI'd say streamers are a minority. But a lot of players today are the same kids from back then, and now they're in their 30s and 40s. They come home after a long day and have about 2 hours left for vidya. They want casual and mindless entertainment. They want to play and not read or study. I can't blame them. Add to that casuals and the younguns who grew up under constant bombardment with "content" + investors who don't give a shit about good games, and you get the current landscape. It just werks. AAA = $$$. Vidya quality has gone down ever since vidya became mainstream. And RPGs have REALLY suffered from this development.>>3675487>The entertainment landscape is different, so of course gamers are going to be different.>Nevertheless, there's just not really attention anymore.Ever heard of "second screen"? One of the parameters Netflix uses to evaluate whether an IP is worth producing is if it's "second screen" enough. They know that most people can't or won't concentrate on one thing for more than half an hour max, and then they will start staring at their phones while Netflix is on. If something is second screen enough then that means that key points in the plot are being repeated multiple times so you can't miss them, otherwise the viewer will just disengage. It's inclusion politics for the modern brain-damaged man.Everything wants your attention in the modern world. I think people are tired of it but at the same time, they can't resist it, because all this stuff is engineered to get you hooked.
>>3676008>Vidya quality has gone down ever since vidya became mainstream. And RPGs have REALLY suffered from this development.I don't buy into this. There were always a handful of good (and flawed) games and blunders were forgotten. And truthfully I'm bored of fellow boomers going>oh old times were so much better>kids nowadays...Even fucking soccer games were apparently better in the 2000s (when we were young). Soccer.For some adult aged men it's time to get their head out of their asses and realize they wouldn't enjoy new games like they used to, even if Jesus returned and walked the earth
>>3676100>there’s always been shitty games, good games have always been relatively rareand>the industry, as a whole, has gotten shittier over timeare not mutually exclusive>t. boomer
>>3676142>the industry, as a whole, has gotten shittier over timeLike what, what have you suffered from? Never a lack of faggots being too involved and feeling bad about pointless shit.
>>3675241if you wanna explore without handholding and actually being allowed to miss really important shit, try elden ringif you want complicated buildmaking with endless options, try owlcat's kingmaker and wrath of the righteous
>>3675241>Are there games that aren't like this?Try the SaGa series.
>>3675368Im stuck on benzos and have bad health. I don't know how comprable it is but I just had to get that off my chest. Addiction is rough.I really like inspirational games that help me deal with my shit life and physical pain andanxiety, like Xenogears, Kingdom Hearts, Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross, Nier series and Baten Kaitos helped get me through bad days recently. Not all of them are perfect and some have recent remasters that are pretty good.
>>3675365>wa lalmoa
>>3675241Your previous lifestyle was more human, stick to that.
>>3675241>be mentally retarded enough to do drugs>cope by getting mad about video games not wasting your time with hours of trial and errorMaybe you should just stick to getting high.
>>3677592>playing games instead of having them just solve themselves is wasting timewhat's your next step, to buy the game but never play it?
>>3675241some games have the option to hide the HUD like the witcher 3, but i guess it's more for action games unless you mod them. playing AC odyssey without hud is a whole new experience. there are enthusiasts of playing without hud
>>3675241Play Kingdom Cum deliverance.
>>3675241Going from Junkie to rpg Gamer seems like a downgrade in current year. Do you need help to get back on your feet?
>>3675252NWN is about the toolset, mate. The OG campaign is a demo to showcase what the toolset can do. The best part of NWN are all the player generated modules, some of which are persistent worlds.
>>3678339I already do and I like it.
>>3677592trial and error and exploring is part of what makes it enjoyable
>>3675241honestly youll be best served by a mod that removes the markers if true.they are freebut just play old shit and be happy no reason to rot your mind further
>>3675365Voilà, not wa la.
>>3684828Wa la has a certain… je ne sais pas
>>3675257In defense, as per holy tradition status effect tends to be resisted by everything but trash encounters in that kind of games. So unless you pointed out your game was exception then it was reasonable to assume dealing damage was better option to wasting an action on spell that wouldn’t work.
>>3675241So which drugs you did on new years eve?
>>3675241shes over 40 and doesnt look like that anymore stop living in the past
>>3688146photos are eternal
we're you in prison or something? we had threads for metaphor, game is goated
>>3688304who is her may i ask?
>>3688492seconding this >>3675241who is the girl in the picture? I have asked before but never get a straight answer.
>>3689135>who is the girl in the picture?>girl>straight answer>straightKek
>>3675500That's because the whole no-attention narrative is just that, a narrative made up out of value judgment. The same people complaining about it will one day be saved by young doctors "with no attention span".
>>3689148>a narrative made up out of value judgment.Well put.
>>3689148the only competent doctors I have ever met were about the age of my older brother (so mid to late 30s)the rest just throw pills at you instead of actually trying to figure out what's wrong.I wonder if there are any RPG's about the medical field
>>3689148>implying I could afford to see a doctor>implying the doctor wouldn't be an imported saar>implying the doctor would do anything helpful instead of just thinking up shit to charge forterrible example
>>3682219> some of which are persistent worldsLike what? I played NWN when it was released and finished the main campaign. Liked it a lot.Would like to try some of its mods now.
>>3675241Try "Drova Forsaken Kin". It is old school pixel art, fantasy action rpg (sadly with some minor political correctness).Combat is brutal, no quest markers (just a quest log) and a simple realistic map (no minimap).
>>3675257congratulation, you changed your game because of the retardism of the majority.Just make games for the retardation of the majority from the start and you dont have to change anything, but dont complain when you are forced to make games for idiots.
Why are you not genuine about what you want
