Still waiting on the Graces remake, but the fan-translation of Rebirth is now out
https://github.com/lifebottle/Tales-of-Rebirth
>>3680056Edna !
>>3680063>>3680064>>3680066>>3680068Kill yourself spammer
I'll be picking up tales of graces on the switch next month.
>>3680059Im grateful for the hard work but wish we coulda got it on psp as well. oh well beggar gaijins cant be choosers
>>3680063worst girl, worst game, kys etc...
I suppose I should have realized that coming into the final boos a bit overleveled and with a turbocharged Magilou would make it a bit easy.
Retard here, so the whole retarded things did by melchior,velvet and artorius caused the whole "there can only be one exorcist" shit in zesteria?Is this the real thread or the edna one?
Honestly I still can't believe we're what, 2 untranslated PS2 games "done in English" out of 3? (Destiny 2, Destiny remake, Rebirth) Sure it took 20 freaking years but better late than never.>>3680144PSP is coming later I think.
>>3680158The drama that caused the Rebirth delay split the project into a PSP team and a PS2 team, I wouldn't expect the PSP version ever.
>>3680144psp is handled by some other team, the best you can hope is that lifebottle manages to retroactively port some of the PSP stuff from it to PS2
>Rose means Truth and not LoveFuck off with that shit. Is this some sort of special japanese only flower language?
>>3680246What part of the game? That's not ringing any bells for me
>>3680256Fairly early on into Part 2 when you're doing the Razilda events
>>3680257Oh those flags. Nah even in Japanese flower language, roses (at least red ones) represent love.
>>3679900It was a nightmare on hard mode due to the braindead AI. They don't even guard the attacks or attempt to avoid them. Either grinding or using a stack of Life Bottles is pretty much necessary.
>>3680278On both of my playthroughs I wound up soloing the fight just learning his patterns and how to avoid getting hit by each spell, it's less stressful than worrying about keeping AI alive.
Gem Crafting is annoying so here are the most relevant combosMuscle + MistyLife + NatureForce + MedicalFeat + FeatFeat + Force
I don't care. Bring back the Radiant Mythology series.
>>3680359I dont see the appeal of this series. its basically a pre cursor to the mobile games that we dont get to play. Cant imagine even caring about RM without being a fan of the main series
Why hasn't Tear's game been remastered/ported yet?
>>3680729Bazongas too big censor happy Nintendo wont allow it
Is it just me or does rebirth seem to constabtly hust drop a shit ton of skits on you all at once constantly?
>>3680743Rebirth and Destiny DC does this thing where it just dumps all of the skits for that section on you at once. And quite a few of them are samey.
>Meanwhile Falcom releasing New Trails (And Others, Including Old Games AND Remakes) to PC and Modern consoles left and right. With Budget of $100 dollarsBamco cant do this shit lmao
>>3680755Small indie company please understand
>Namco sneaks in a reference to another major series.
>>3680826You can then get it as a sword and double reference in Abyss
>Disaster RoarSure its the strongest spell in Mao's list, in raw damage but the random targeting just makes it unwieldly in way too many fights. Kind of underwhelming considering that its the last spell that you can unlock for him.
I've read the battle book shit for fusion forces like 20 times and I still dont get how to actually use them in battle.
>>3680838>final spell pretty useless/inconsistent in comparison to some previous onesThat's kind of par for the course for mages and mage-equivalents in this series.
>>3680826They gave Ice powers to Seigfried in SCIV even too
>>3680868>Use T1 Force eg Fang Blitz while at 50/55 (with Special) or 70/75 RG>The full force slots with forces that have fusions applied to them should look like pic related>Use that input to execute the follow up force>>3680872It could be worse, it could be Tytree who jobs horribly to almost everything that crawls or floats.
>>3680877They renamed artes into forces? That's retarded
>>3680875>>3680826>both Veigue and Seigfried are voiced by Nobuyuki HiyamaHilarious.
>>3680879>They renamedDo you know nothing about Rebirth? Its very blatantly called Force in Japanese.
>>3680880Now imagining a JRPG crew all of fantasy characters he's voiced.
>>3680882Rebirth uses the same 特技, 奥義, 秘奥義 tiered system that every other game uses.
>>3680879To be fair, the arte menu is called FORCE in Japanese so...https://youtu.be/az1biC_w9Kw?t=99 (spoilers if you haven't finished act 1)
>>3680887Force is the name for their powers, artes (術技) are the attacks that use those powers. Calling both the same thing just muddies the waters for no benefit.
I'm feeling retarded I cant find the fuel for the blast furnace in the factory. Unless theres some room I'm too stupid to see I've gone through every possible path I can in there
>>3680879>>3680887>>3680895Force Skill/Arte, Force Sorcery and Force Ritual.
>>3680896IIRC its in a random box towards the back of the dungeon.
>>3680729It has been
>>3680924The 3DS is smelly
>>3680755They do be shoveling shovelware.
>>3680927and dead
>>3680899Only 4 artes per character in battle?
>>36809468.
>i'll trade you one virginity>not my body anyway LOL
This is the healer for your adventure
Tytree's VA sounds like he's having a cluster of strokes every time he opens his mouth.
Rebirth is fun so far...but why does the equipment enhance/inherit system have to be so complex (not to mention luck-based)?
Which Tales girl is the most rapeable?
>>3681201To be honest, I just pick whatever seems most useful for the character and hope that something nice pops up
>>3681202Edna
>>3681214She looks like she'd enjoy it.
>>3681216Girls like to get raped
Protip, you can cancel the endlag from artes by forward dashing after the animation is finished.
>>3681201This is probably why the progression for Destiny was so simple you'd think they made it for importers.
Anal
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About to play arise(after vesperia/zestiria/berseria), can i expect it to be good or should i have zero expectations on it?
>>3680729Tear-chan kawaii
Minto kurisumasu
>>3681354It's kinda slow to start and even when it gets going it only feels like a mid level tales at best. Zero expectations is for the best, but I will say it has the best graphics of any tales by far with some absolute gorgeous views so make sure to try and take all the environments for maximum enjoyment.
>>3681354If you already passed zestiria and berseria honest to god you can't go lower than that.
>>3681456Anal
>>3681354It’s not a tales game
>>3681354Except Meh Opening, Good Middle. Garbage Later Middle. Worse than Symphonia 2 Endgame
>get the last arts in the mid 30s, then only get a arcane arts up to level 45wew lad, Rebirth has a limited combat system. Eugene seems to be the best character to control.
>>3681489Haven't played Destiny 2, but Eternia, Phantasia PS1 and Destiny PS1 all felt a lot smoother than Rebirth. Maybe it's just early PS2 jank. Destiny DC has one of the best combat systems in the series, though.
>>3681363>Peony prepares such a sleazy swimming costume for Tear she just goes with the spa's defaultWhat did the Emperor mean by this
>>3681489>>3681581Veigue learns his last arcane at 50.Mao's last ability in general is at 47.Annie gets her last fusion at 50.Eugene is at 55.Tytree's last arcane is at 45 and his last ability at 48. Hilda's last level up spell is at 45, the ever so important Limited Sorcery is 49.Everyone has a story gated ability and in Hilda's case, this is almost certainly going to be her last arte.Veigue is very easy to control since he's well balanced and has several powerful artes like everything that's derived from Shadow Shock for example. Eugene's solid too but some of his artes have weird hitboxes such as Goring Thunder. Tytree is quite technical and requires forward cancel to enable certain combos. For example, Downpour Shot > Cancel > Fang Blitz > Arcane.
Catz > Owls
Normins > Catz > Owls
>>3680056oo what a sexy man
>>3680056You just know.
So is rebirth worth playing? Kept hearing split opinions on it, some were saying its a top 5 tales game while others were saying its meme tier
>>3681728Play it and find out.
>The trials are all about major character growth or the idealsVeigue's trial is all about Claire. Why am I not surprised.
>>3681728Yes.
The most annoying thing about playing Eleanor after maining Magilou is how much easier it is to pull off her level 3. I wish Magilou's worked like that.
>>3681591>Peony is the chillest monarch to ever exist >Malkuth has all the good fertile land>Kimlasca is a bunch of shitty mountains and wastelands>King is a maniac that sentenced his own daughter to death for the crime of not actually being his blood daughter
>vesperia at the very least has manzai shit(with rita and raven being the usual targets)>zestiria has wordplay jokes(that i dont get since im a dekinai)>berseria has magilou single-handedly carrying the entertaining shit>arise is just too serious even with its skitsI might have shit taste in humor but arise is devoid of humor from good to bad.
>>3681950>want to appeal to as many people as possible with arise>dumb down EVERYTHING and suck the soul out of the gameIt's only natural that the humor's gone too.
Annie is too cute.
Remember, whenever you each peach pie, you need to think of Claire.
>>3681950the party starts out and stays negative with the position of the world and Shionne being a cunt most of the gameit makes the DLC they did worth playing if you liked Arise, as its time with the party without all the baggage so they can be happy for a time
>>3682115Shionne does have the whole, I can't touch anyone without killing them curse stuck on her for the entire game, so she's trying her best to not kill her friends.
>>3682121that and shes also dead set on this being a suicide mission for her for 90% of the gameit wasn't necessarily a criticism from me that the game is so serious all the time, but I get why people don't like it
>>3681851>Luke's dad massacred people in Hod, women and children included>beheaded Guy's dad>violated Cecille to further shame her Malkuthian family name>married into the monarchy just for status, doesn't give a damn about his wife or either of his sonsNatalia better do a damn good job turning the kingdom around because holy shit
>>3682024My Racist Girlfriend!
>>3681765That's his whole personality. The best part is after act 1 how he barely acknowledges her existence and initially wants her to just stay with her parents while he fucks off. She tags along and so 98% of his dialogue is "Claire..."
>>3682213Veigue knows something was off, so his occasional Claire... was just him making sure that she was okay.Agarte is surprisingly weak willed for a Queen though.
>>3681366Fixed camera with prerendered towns backgrounds is still goated. 3d with moveable camera is not good
>>3682213I always thought the Clarie memes were only memes but the dude says Claire 15 times within like the first 30 minutes
>>3682383He says it a lot to the point of parody within the first act. Second act has him chill out and he settles into his role of a pretty reserved person.On a more mechanical note, I'm a little disappointed that only Mao has Fire/Dark damage without accessories.
Merry Christmas.
>>3682630>>3682631Tear an absolute qt
>Tales fanbase is so dead no one bother to Scan the memorial book of Rays/Asteria/Link/Card Evolve and old Tales of Magazine from 2008 to 2017Grim. Tales used to be big.
>>3680056Just play the Vita version
>>3682710How long did it take you to think up this mind-blowingly stupid post?
>Always feel like I'm robbing myself of damage whenever I use some of Tytree's moves since a bunch of them scale of slash when most of his weapons have shit slash stats
>>3682719I know you are but what am I
What's the Tales equivalent of FFVII?
>>3683068Symphonia
>>3683072FFVII is good, thoughbeit. Symphonia is mid.
Eating your goat aunt's peach pie is NOT an act of bestiality.
>>3683088>FFVII is goodlol no it isnt
>>3683093Retard.
Ms. Claus coming through(If you want "perpetual youth" to be a factor anyway). I wonder how many Santas the Tales gachas produced. There are means to count them but I won't be doing it now.>>3682645Hang on, Rollo!
>>3683091You did complete the Steve and Monica sidequest right?
>>3683210Marvelous bosoms.
>>3683260Suddenly I have an image of the bag being full of a bunch of key items from various games, like some kind of kleptomaniac Gilgamesh.
>Can only get gald via finding treasure boxes and side quest in ariseShit sucks.
>>3680056When I typed Gusios on the internet I got a character from Mazinger Z who is also aquatic and I snickered.
>>3683068Tales of Vesperia. I consider Estellise to be the misconception of Aerith as an actual character. Yuri is Zack and Flynn is Cloud. Rita is Cid
It's kind of weird that i really dont mind a Matsouka character in tales when i usually avoid any media that he's involved with.
Finished Rebirth.Good:>pixel art>music>voice acting>characters>skits>world map and town design>general flow of the scenario up until the last thirdBad:>dungeon design>backtracking>gear enhancement mechanic>side quests and rewards>force variety>trails levels of dialogue and story repetition (okay, not *that* bad)>gem system>stat stick nature of the equipment>accessory variety>enemy and boss varietyThe dungeons are truly abysmal, and a lot of them are just reskins with some force-related mechanics tacked on. Even the penultimate dungeon is just a palette swap. The final dungeon is the worst I've encountered in a long time. The combat system by itself is fine, but extremely limited and repetitive. I don't know if this game has a reputation of being rushed in development, but it feels like it. Overall, it's a solid 7/10 for me. Worth playing and definitely worth translating for historical purposes. The quality of the translation patch is excellent, as expected of this group. I only encountered a few inconsistencies and typos. There was an instance of the word "cringe" being used in a 2020s zoomer context that didn't fit at all. If the game didn't have the fan translation group's name on the title screen, I would just assume that this was an official release. Felt like it.
>new Abyss merchHuh?!
>>3683635
>>3683635gimme gimme gimme>>3683636>using anime screenshotsblergh
>>3682151Looking back, Luke dad was pretty hardcore. weird you dont see him much in the game. i guess the married life mellow him out a bit even when he ignores his kid and wife.
>>3683625>SidequestsThere are some sidequests that give nice pieces of gear if you complete them and there's not much backtracking present. The Sky Garden one is also nice from a lore standard.>Trails levelRidiculous. Even when considering that the core plot of most of the act 2 can be construed as similar to muh curse, the game makes sure to emphasize that racial tensions were already high and people were just hiding it due to fear of getting jailed. >CombatForce Cube and Ougi assignments provide some degree of skill expression. Even if you want to say "well everyone but Eugene has everything by Level 50ish", you probably arent hitting that until the 2nd to last dungeon so its not really a problem pacing wise.Guard Cancel is also a pretty potent tool that makes it flow a lot better too.>Gems and AccessoriesYeah, on your first run, Veigue is the only one really gets stuff to mess around with until you get Double Trick and that's if you remembered to cash in the Battle Book stuff. There's some other neat ones like Esoteric if you happened to get it. Gems are just Force/Nature/Mystic until you buy out the Grade shop and you're free to buy stuff for the boys as you please. AI Annie also runs Mystic over Force once you get all of then ougis you want because of quirks. Would have preferred a simpler system.>EnhancementI wish everyone just gained 3/3 after battles since it would make life less tedious. Its kind of annoying how rng scummy it can be, so you can see where they tried to simplify it in DC and went back to being complex in Graces.>DungeonsI kind of don't mind their general simplicity after Destiny DC which had some annoying dungeons in Part 2.
What did Zestiria mean by this? No seriously what's supposed to be the "famous Abyss quote"?
>>3683779REPLICAAAAAAAAA
>>3683779“We did it Guy! We saved Akzeriuth!”
>>3683796But like, that's not a quote is it? I mean I guess you technically can quote Asch screaming that a lot of the time but I'd imagine a quote would be more than a single word>>3683806Bravo Nolan
>>3683637>>3683635Tear’s bazongas
>>3680066Just seeing her seiyuu cosplaying as this girl. I dont want to see 40 something woman cosplaying as 13 year old girl
>>3683796https://youtu.be/A9pVmQ1CvkM
>>3683779muh fonon
Okay anon time to unwrap your presents
>>3683779The scene when Luke starts crying about it not being his fault after Akezeriuth is a pretty famous one in Japan.
https://youtu.be/Jw9w788SS-oHow does Japan feel about Destiny 2? Its definitely one of the more unique games mechanically.
>lifebottle productions shelved a destiny 2 translation project because of lumina>meanwhile those fags disappear for a year at a timeCalling it now. Lumina Tales will never release a translation patch.
>>3683635>>3683636I fucking hate acrylic stands
>>3683635Would it KILL them to do some decent figures? Like every other jrpg and anime in the world? Why they hate money?
>>3684238I was just wondering if Graces HD will get a nendoroid like Vesperia did.
>>3684248Would go for a pascal one, but i would like more a figure to nut over it. I mean to look at it.
>>3683990Rebirth's team didn't say much until when the release was practically out.
>>3683990>>3684296https://luminatales.net/2024/04/20/testing-testing-1-2-3/>April 2024
I Dont care about ModdingGive me actual fucking Ports (Or Remasters they called that nowadays)
>>3684296Nah, they were active on the Discord sever pretty much constantly and would answer questions.
>>3683625>The dungeons are truly abysmalThat's Team Destiny in general.
>>3683636>>3683635>animeGarbag-->master badtouchI'm interested.
>>3684448I think Symphonia has some of the worst dungeons in JRPGs as well. They are aesthetically well-designed, but dungeons like the Temple of Darkness are just cock and ball torture in video game form.
>>3684453The temple of darkness is better than every single dungeon in berseria.
>>3684448Destiny DC has pretty annoying dungeons since a lot of them are pretty long for no real reason. For example those excess rooms that don't really do anything except padding in Straylize Temple.Rebirth has bland but serviceable dungeons. Nothing to complain about but nothing spectular.Graces dungeons just exist.I dont remember how the dungeons in Hearts went but IIRC they were between DC and Rebirth.
>Legendia dungeons…Symphonia/Abyss/Vesperia win handsdown here.
>>3684492The only Abyss dungeon that I remember is the Absorption Gate or whatever the fake out final dungeon was called.
>>3684528You don't remember the Cheagle Woods, the first proper dungeon of the game? Where Jade totally demolishes the boss of the area by being higher level than you ala Sephiroth in the Kalm flashback? Or Choral Castle near the cost where it was said Luke was found in when he was (((kidnapped))) and you have to defeat a bunch of ghosts to lit up a door and open it, then you fight Arietta in the rooftop? Zao Ruins with the cool soundtrack (https://youtu.be/56BE0Ea7y4c)? Orton Cave which you first explore as Asch post-Akzeriuth? The big ass volcano? The final dungeon, a giant replica recreation of Hod with Van in the middle and that one room that rotates?
>Vesperia>Dungeons
>>3684607Most of the dungeons in Abyss from what I played (my file was somewhere in the final act) are rather bland, so they kind of blur together. Absorption Gate was memorable because of the length and the party split.
>>3684607Eldrant was cool. A giant peninsula ran by a 3D printer by the bad guy
>>3684769I wish I got this mirrage before eos. Her overray is nicer but the screen nuke for this one and the canon lore usage of it tickles my autism.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o5Mw8ULP4Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQPVvar7hwQ
I've played most of the translated titles and while I liked them the first time I don't think I've ever liked a single one of these games the second time through. Maybe the second go around just has me detached enough to really notice stuff but I feel like every single of them ends up being extremely stupid in one way or another and I can't get past it.
Rebirth's final dungeon wasn't bad, but it was definitely long due to Rebirth's high encounter rate rearing its ugly head in.
veigue is a pretty cool dude, his obsession with his sister-wife makes him inadvertently funnymao/tytree are basically the emotional soul of the party since they help to keep everyone in line when they're busy being depressed/reticent. mao is a fun child archetype character, more like him in my jrpgs pleasei didn't expect to like annie the most out of the cast. she felt like she had the most character growth out of everyoneeugene is based and at points, it feels as though they wrote the plot around him first.hilda was kind of boring for most of the game, its only really in the backhalf that she starts to open up and bounce well off the boys.milhaust was underused for the "rival" characteri found agarte annoying for most of the second act but she comes palatable towards the endclaire can feel a little too "perfect" at times but i know that she's mostly just a moral support character for the team.the antagonists feel like prototypes of what they tried to do in later games. had a lot of abyss flashbacks with these guys. saleh was the best one.
>>3684453The temple of darkness is only annoying because you have to g back and forth to just get an overview with screen changes and unavoidable encounters sprinkled in. But I very much prefer it over the linear dungeon design in Berseria, Arise and many other games.
Tales is the most Mismanaged series of all time. This game is used to be FF competitor....
>>3685059Arise outsold both FF7R2 and FF16.
>>3685059When? When the sales of a single tales BARELY reached a same period final fantasy? Thats delusion man.
>>3685060>>3685061FF16 Sold 3 Millions on FIrst week.No Sales Numbers for FF7R2 Yet but For FF7R1 It was 7 Million in total.Arise took 3 years to reach FF16 Numbers. And FF Series has Active MMOs and Gachas And Spinoffs. Tales current had none They keep selling those Useless merchs only the most Hardcore Tales fans would buy..... Which is already declining at this rate..
>>3685063Rebirth sold 2 million. Both games cost 100 times more than Arise to make. Even this "mismanaged" series is outdoing FF. FF's the most mismanaged series of all time. From number one, to behind Persona.
>>3685059It was always a step below or two. But that's fine, you don't have to compete with the series that constantly tries to test the limits of current gen consoles. If anything it just inflates the budget with pointless shit.
>>3685063Arise is not even a tales. You spoke of "used to be" were you refering to the last year only? Tales was NEVER a competitor for ff. It was always under the B tier like the trails or a star ocean.
>>3685065>>3685067Yet even when FF Series is currently struggling, They still able to release more Games than Tales and still maintaining their spinoffs.Tales currently has nothing to offer. They even took goddamn decades to Port a single game to Modern PC and Consoles, Even modders is faster than these retards. They keep selling those .PNGs acrylic merchs lol.
>>3685070Well yeah, I didn't argue that part. It's been mismanaged for years already. Bury anything older than Symphonia, port Symphonia a third or fourth time while showcasing your creative bankruptcy with the newest mainline game. I don't even expect anything from Bamco anymore. They either have no idea what made many people love older games or don't wanna put effort into their new games to copy that appeal.
>my main hobby is obsessively talking about how much money other people are making and vicariously claiming victory by siding with those who make more
>>3685059How can you think Tales has been more mismanaged than Final Fantasy? They had a smooth transition to seventh gen with Graces and Vesperia meanwhile Square fucked their development up with XIII, Versus and XIV 1.0 which is why the former came out as a hallway and they made two rushed sequels immediately after it to recoup costs.What would you consider the worst Tales game released in the last decade, Zestiria? Can you honestly say it's worse than XV, with the gutted story and hold O to win and shitty movie you're forced to watch if you wanna see the Invasion of Insomnia and the thousand patches that barely fixed a thing and the DLC that added backstory to the Chocobros that was clearly missing from the base game (oh what's, Gladio leaves the party and comes back an hour later with a new scar and we'll never talk about it again? Ignis is now blind for no explained reason and Prompto has a 10 second pity backstory where he's some clone or something and all just to open a door? Okay cool), then on top of *all* of that they still made the Royal Edition and they *still* had cancelled expansions they had to hastily paste into a final novel no one read years after release?Would you not call that 'mismanaged'? Specifically, more mismanaged than the likes of Zestiria, Berseria or Arise that play out like regular ol' games in comparison?
>Tales is still alive, Fanbases is more alive than ever, shut up okay !?
>>3685068If Tales is B-tier, Trails is Z-tier in terms of financial success and sales.
>>3685076Both are currently in the shitter, but Bamco managing Tales is still the Worse than Squeenix Managing FF.5+Gachas then shutting it off after 3 months and wasting money on those useless yearly festivals on those seiyuus is still worse than Making hit and miss game since 2014. At least Squeenix Tried. You cant even play those Dead Gachas bamco made anymore.
>>3685076I don't know the details of FF15, so I can hardly compare it, but it's really a competition between cripples. Zestiria changed the story last minute cause Baba wanted to explore Rose's pants. And I'm not sure if he ever managed something well. All the games under him suffer from very egregious reuse of assets. Yet, despite that, they're way smaller than previous games.
>>3685079Numbers are more in the vicinity of a trails than a ff for sure. Mars is near to earth than saturn.
>>3685076They'll argue "muh gachas" when only the mainline releases matter unless you're Japanese. There's nothing out there more mismanaged than Final Fantasy since Spirits Within. Xillia 2 was XIII-2 done right, and XVI wishes it could be Arise
Reminder that Bamco wastes Arise Money with Luminaria
>>3685085XVI is better than Arise
>>3685084Your analogy can be used on Tales and Trails sales as well. They're not close. Arise by itself sold about 50% of Trails' 20 year lifetime sales.
>>3685088lemao
>>3685096Mid and last part of Arise was worse than Zestiria. So yeah 16 is better
>>3685090I wish it didn't.
>>3685098>>3685096
>>3685100>He defends Arise>>3685096
>3685101 (You)>he defends XVI
>>3685102>So weakmind he cant (You)Of Course
>gets mad at useless imaginary post counts>he keeps shitting up the threadFigures
>>3683068There isn't any. Symphonia is popular among fans but nowhere near FFVII
>>3685105>Noooo stop disliking things i like you shitting up the thread nooooooooLiteral Children.
>>3685076It WAS pretty funny seeing people turn on 16 the second the honeymoon period was over
>>3685106I wouldn't wish FFVII fame on my worst enemy
>>3683365Fishing is infinite money and easy as fuck.
Wait, so Ray Chase voiced the main antagonist of Berseria and the main protagonist of Arise back to back? Damn
Okay i need help badly on eephon in tales of rebirth. I do not understand the invincibility mechanic
>>3685587According to the japanese wiki he has a pretty high proc rate for Flash if your RG is lowish. I usually just beat him by interrupting his attacks/piling it on during hitstun.He won't stagger during Burst so be careful.
i’ve never played graces f (im a pee cee player) but i did play and love berseria and vesperia, should i buy the remaster?
>>3685790As long as you're down for one of the cheesier tales of plots, you'll enjoy graces.
Bamco fucking sucksWhen are we getting remakes of those games ;Tales of BreakerTales of CommonsTales of WahrheitTales of the World Material DungeonThose are mainline and deserve more attention than some bullshit like Radiant Mythology or shitty gachas like Link.
>>3685790The battle system is the most reaction-based in the whole series thanks to the parry mechanic.
>>3685897If you're talking about the whole time your front/back/sidestep just for CC right thing, even Arise does that and you're pretty forced into doing that for 5/6th of the cast since only Kisara has the classic guard.
>>3685897Innocence and Hearts R say hello
>Hilda is a halfbreed between a Human and a Furry >Faces far greater racism because of that fact So this literally is just Phantasia/Symphonia again but swap out Elves for furries.
>>3685990Not really, but at least you saw a similarity.
I wish they took more risks in not making every single damn protagonist in the franchise a swordsman with only a couple exceptions>Phantasia - Cless is *the* swordsman>Destiny - Stahn is a swordsman>Eternia - Reid is a swordsman>Destiny 2 - Kyle is a swordsman>Symphonia - Lloyd is a swordsman but now with two (2) swords!>Rebirth - Veigue is a swordsman>Legendia - First exception, Senel is a monk because the game was made by the Tekken devs>Abyss - Luke is a swordsman but left-handed!>Innocence - Ruca is a swordsman>Vesperia - Yuri is a swordsman but left-handed!>Graces - Asbel is a swordsman>Xillia - Second exception, Jude is a monk and only because the game has two main characters and Milla is still a swordsman>Xillia 2 - Ludger is its own thing because he has three sets of weapons, but if we're honest his main one is as a swordsman but now with two (2) swords!>Zestiria - Sorey is a swordsman>Berseria - Velvet is swordsman-adjacent with her gauntlet blade thingy>Arise - Alphen is a swordsmanI get it, the main character is the one most people will use during most (or all) of their playtime so you want something with normie appeal. Playing as Natalia or Raven for a bit is cool but I don't imagine many people would want an Archer MC... but fuck man there's other options. Why not a spear user? A big two-handed axe? More monks? Some variety?
>>3686083Who really cares when there are alternative playstyles in every game?
>>3685990most tales games are about racism or deal with it in some way
>>3686086>Who really caresI do, that's why I wrote that post
>>3686083Cless and Stahn can use axes and polearms, and Reid can use axes. Put on your RP robe and refuse the swords in those games.
>>3686100Yuri uses axes too
>>3686100Stahn and the others lost the ability to weapon swap in DC.>>3686083Ludger is reaching since he uses like four different weapons, pretty much every spin off MC such as in the Narikiri games and the Descenders don't have a specialty weapon so you can refuse to touch swords all game long.
>>3686083Does it really matter? You can always use other characters after few hours if you want a different style, unless it's fucking Xillia 2 that forces you to play as Ludger.
>>3686268Ludger is the only constant but you aren't forced to use him. Jude/Leia have pretty high availability in Xillia 2 so maining them is not a problem. IIRC Milla is another character that's around for a lot once she joins too.
Why do so many people like Alisha? It just feels like she's popular because of her "mistreatment" instead of her character.
>>3685968Nah, with Rinwell you just spam spells like a lunatic, refresh your action points with boost attacks and use dodge to regenerate your action points without dropping your spell combo. She can actually spam high level spells really well later on.
>>3686327"What could've been" syndrome + people disliking Rose naturally elevates Alisha as well. No matter which way you look at it the way she leaves the narrative doesn't feel natural.
>>3686327Basically. She sorta sucks ngl. Natalia is a much better princess (among others), Eleanor is a much better spear girl. Just pick a different game
>>3686499Wasnt the point of the ending/dlc that Sorey is trying to increase everyone's resonance? I think Sorey almost dying due to his resonance with her makes the ending have more weight.
General Revival>>>/vg/508278137>>>/vg/508278137>>>/vg/508278137
>>3686506I'm talking about stuff like being able to buy new spears for her in towns you can only visit after she's left. It doesn't scream "the story was written with her leaving in mind from the get go" it screams "this shit was hastily rewritten at some point for some reason" and people caught on
>isn't recognized as a pure maiden by the unicornArche a slut. A SLUT!
>>3686506He isn't, that's an after effect of purifying Maotelus. After he ends the purification and awakes, Seraphim will still be invisible for most humans, similar to how Berseria ended and most Hellions/Daemons were purified.
>>3686621Yeah it's a common knowledge.
>>3686548>It's even more dead than Gust/Atelier generalKek
>>3686638>>3686548What's your endgame by trying to pit FF and Tales of fans against each other? Or that stupid general?
Please rank all Tales games from the one with the best story to the one with the worst one.
>>3686800Abyss > the rest
>>3686800BestSymphonia > the restWorstSymphonia 2 > the rest
>>3681581Nah, all those games had horrible dungeons and encounter rate, especially Phantasia and Destiny. Destiny's second overworld is atrocious.
>>3686800Plot-wise?Abyss>Berseria>Xillia 2>Rebirth>Legendia>almost everything else>Vesperia>Graces f>Dawn of the New World>Tempest
What's a better version of Destiny to play for the first time, PSX or DC? And is it true the latter changes a plot point that doesn't mesh well with Destiny 2? Asking for a friend and all that
>>3686861Leon's personality is way more explored in DC, but Mary's arc is kinda rushed in the remake. Still, honestly, I wouldn't recommend the original over the remake never ever.
>>3686829Being the first one you played as a kid on the GameCube doesn't mean it has the best story, fren
>>3686861DC and it's not even close, I actually agree that the plot changes are mostly for the worse but the difference in quality as an actual game is overwhelming. D2 barely connects to itself so I wouldn't worry too hard, it adds in its own retcon flashbacks as needed.
>>3686800Keeping to story, not characters, because that is differentDotNW - actively fucks over other games. AwfulZestiria - a fucking mess of a story. Like there's some okay bits, but the Lord of Calamity plotline (i.e. the main story) is awful. I also hate almost everything about how the role of the Shepherd, and most things about the Seraphim are portrayed. Poor SergeiDestiny DC - Not a fan. The first half where you're chasing the guy (forget his name) is super repetitive. The second half on the floating continent is awful. Leon dying is it's only saving graceBerseria - It has a good start, and a good finish, but everything in between those parts is garbage. Holy fuck.Xillia - It is a confusing plot at times, but where I will give it credit - I think it is never not a fun plot. If they had a bit more time to make things feel a bit more complete I think it could have been greatPhantasia - It is pretty simple and short, but I like it - it works. Dhaos can pretty much run a plot by himself, and the time travel is fun. Vesperia - I think beat-by-beat it's a very enjoyable experience (and I enjoy the additions DE made to it) but it does suffer a bit in hindsight by trying to juggle a couple too many balls thematically. Still overall pretty goodAbyss - Had a theme and stuck with it very well. Loses itself in the weeds more often than I'd like though, There are chunks of the game that are just not enjoyable, and maybe has the biggest issue with technobabble outside of XilliaLegendia - Maybe contentious, but I really like the character quests. Legendia balances its tone between seriousness and comedic extremely well, and the directness of its plot is refreshingly appreciatedSymphonia - I think more than any other game it really takes advantage of its minor characters, and uses them very well to push the main story. The non-linear parts work really well, and I think it really manages to land its story beats consistently. Both halves of the game really work.
>>3686886The first time I played through abyss I legitimately thought the game ended half way throughThat's not a critique, it's just sort of funny
>>3686800From the ones that I've playedPhantasia is fine, there's nothing to really complain about.Destiny DC - Given that we're talking about plot and not cast, I think DC has one of the weakest plots in the series. It has all of the beats but the connective tissue is weak and the antagonists are woefully underused.Eternia - One of the better plots in the franchise. Well executed and easy to follow.Symphonia - Another classic. If you liked Phantasia and Eternia then there's not much of a reason to dislike this one.DoTWN - Exists purely to solve continuity errors. Rough around the edges.Rebirth - Can be a bit preachy at times but I like that they refrained from making the Huma/Gajuma into perfect angels who didnt do anything wrong. The part where dispelling the Will didnt stop the antagonism because people were already dicks was a good call.Abyss - Abuses jargon pretty heavily and quite a bit of lore details are stuffed into sidequests with awful timing. The core narrative is one of the better ones despite this.Graces - How much you like it depends on your tolerance for 90s-00s era shonen. I dont have problems with them so it was fun.Vesperia - Act 2 was the strongest one. Act 3 is rushed (as usual with Tales even if it was built up) and Act 1 feels like an extended filler arc.Xillia/Xillia 2 - Xillia 1 is missing a third act where Gaius/Muzet joins and explains some of the lore leftovers, so they made up Xillia 2 to do so. Xillia 2 wouldnt have enough to carry a game by itself, so it came up with the rest of the plot for padding. The duology turned out surprisingly well.
Abyss intro > Vesperia intro > Zestiria intro >> literally every other intro
>>3686910>Exists purely to solve continuity errorsHow did those even pop up in the first place? You make Symphonia specifically as a Phantasia prequel but then colossally fuck up by stating without mana the entire world will die, crops will wither etc. when a big part of Phantasia was Cless' present not having mana and all that affected was magic like Arche's not being possible outside of Mint's specified healing artes
>>3686886legendia sucks dude, I don't understand where this meme came from that it's underrated and secretly one of the best in the series when the entire game is forgetable at best and annoying at worst. chloe was the only redeeming thing about the entire game and they fucked up that romance harder than xillia's
>>3686954shirley was best girl anyway
>>3686928Because someone didnt pay attention to the script even though the mana tree is a massive part of Phantasia's plot. Right down to the part where all Dhaos wanted was to get a seed go back home and it was humanity's fault that he became a demon king.
>>3686954Those full bodysuits are pure sexo. They are rare as they are hot.
There is a malding combocuck with strong opinions he presents as facts in all these threads.
>>3686954Only problem in Legendia is the combat and shitty chibi. It has one of the best casts and one of the most interesting settings in the series along Abyss/Berseria/Xillia+2.
>>3686954>>3687027Put Chloe in any other game and she would have a simp fanbase on par with Sheena and Judith
>>3687259Genuinely wasted design on a subpar game
>>3687092The chibi is good thoThere are other problems with Legendia, but none of them are the story - the dungeon design, encounter rate, the fact that the second half of the game didn’t get voiced in the dub, the crystal eres unlock system, the overworld feeling pretty empty thanks to the 1 city structure, etc.
>>3687043Are you malding right now anon-chan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoYocX4E8ZI
>>3687283That's why people want a remake of this game. R version could easily fix all that similar to Innocence R.
>>3687312Happy New Year's
How the fuck do I stop the AI party members from getting stomped in Rebirth?
Rebirth has the best dungeons of all the PS2 titles and it's not even close. The puzzles in Symphonia and Abyss were pure garbage and the annoying long ass dungeons in Legendia and Destiny, especially in the second half, were completely shit.
>>3687316You can't really stop it per se, but setting the AI to 3/3/5 and wearing the right charms can save you a lot of trouble.For certain boss fights, you'll want to the AI to prioritize targets with the lowest HP pools where you focus on the one with the most.
>>3687318Honeymoon phase
Happy new year !
>>3687328You know Edna-anon, you're an annoying faggot all other 364 days of the year and actively ruin Tales threads and you made me dislike Edna infinitely more because of your posts, but today is New Year'sHappy 2025
>>3687341Love u <3
>>3687326Aethersphere and half of Symphonia's dungeons were always garbage since my first playthrough. All Legendia's dungeons are bad, I had zero desire to ever replay that game.
>>3687353> and half of Symphonia's dungeonsWhich ones? Name em.The only ones I see get ragged on are the Shadow Temple - which I agree, the follower AI is pretty shit in execution though it was a neat idea - and the Elf Forest - which I think is actually pretty fun, and only really a problem if you’re bad at planning things out (i.e. stupid) and end up doing things at random.
>>3687326DC's dungeons are definitely its weakest aspect.
>>3687380Meltokio SewersTemple of LightningTemple of ShadowTower of SalvationMost Desians basesLatheon GorgeNiflheimThat said, Arthersphere and Legendia's dungeons are worse.
>>3686915The instrumental version of the abyss intro we got in America is so good. Huge improvement
didn't know rebirth finally came out in english, now i can say thisannie > rinwell
>>3687388Temple of Lightning's fine, I don't really have any issues with it. Even if you're getting filtered by the dark rooms just spend 2 seconds to turn up your screen brightness??? It's chill. I like the lightning puzzles.I also don't see the issues with the tower of salvation or the desian bases? Those are generally fun dungeons? Asgard and Iselia have the party split which is cool, Remote has a bunch of fun puzzles, and while Pamelacosta is pretty basic I don't think it's bad, just relatively simple. Tower of Salvation is fun for me, I like the party getting smaller as you lose people on the way up, and the anti-grav puzzles on the way down are good too. I'll give you the Sewers and Latheon Gorge though, those are pretty tedious. I like the shrinking in the sewers, but the amount of times you have to go up to the same rafters and push a block down is way too many. Nifheim's in a weird position as the post-game extra dungeon. Tbh the series has a pretty bad track record on those. I can't say it's good, but unfortunately that's pretty par for the course. Post game dungeons are pretty much just there for people who really want to do more of the combat.
>>3687353>>3687381Destiny has shit dungeons is the most bizarre thing to come out of its translation. Dycroft is my favorite RPG dungeon period, it's your fault we're stuck with the stock asset straight line caves with enemies just placed randomly now.
>>3683635Acrylic and paper, holyshit. Dead series.
>>3687470>if you don't like dungeons that drone on and on, it means that you like modern garbageGive me a break.
>>3687470>it's your fault we're stuck with the stock asset straight line caves with enemies just placed randomly nowMost Destiny dungeons are literally the same corridors with different textures, and it gets worse in the second map. People criticize Xillia~Berseria for uninspired corridors, but Destiny DC, Legendia and Innocence DS were worse in that regard
Feed me human
>>3687388You didn't mention the worst. Ymir Forest.
>>3687291No, I have a full head of hair and don't have cognitive bias.
Symphonia has the best dungeons of JRPGs along Golden Sun/TLA, Phantasia, Eternia, Abyss, Wild Arms 1~3, the first two Paper Mario games,Super Star Saga and Bowser's Inside Story. I'd take some boring but elaborated puzzles over enemy gauntlet in corridors anyday.
>>3687565This nigga can’t read
>>3686961Shirley straight ass. Good thing Senel doesn't end up with her either.
>>3687470Contrary to popular belief there's such a thing known as balance tlalso every one said destiny dc dungeons were the weakest point and it's just as much a corridor fest as nu tales
Make sure to appreciate the little details throughout the games, /vrpg/
MUTTON, FRESH MUTTON
>>3688297
I would love to play Tales of Vesperia on PC, but each time i play for 5 minutes it starts having these weird framepacing issues and each time the camera moves it stutters while keeping 60 fps. How does one fix it? I played the game to death on the 360 and i still couldnt play the definitive edition to this day because of that one issue
So, Arise is basically a worse Rebirth, right?
>>3688641That cannot be because I want to bang Shionne
>>3688641Yeah pretty much. The two world aspect is taken from Eternia by the way.
>>3688641Don't make me want to defend Arise.
>>3688691>>3688641>>3688674>Muh Dahna vs Rena which devolves into flagrant abuse of mind control which undermines the narrative a bit. Even Rebirth with "Will" said that while it made people more aggressive, they still had agency>Spirits are basically aggregate sentiences from Abyss>Almeidra and Vholran are underwhelming antagonists>Rinwell and Law's poorly placed don't give into hate speech due to a lack of build up>The second half that felt more like a last third due to pacing issues
>>3688644
>>3688725its impressive that they could take a lot of traits I like in characters and still make me hate herAnise is shit
>>3688805Can anyone defeat the invincible Japanese>*laughs*??
>>3688805Just WHAT did he mean by this
>>3686621>>3686636Reminder it's canonical that her and Chester end up together and have a son named Falken as revealed in this year 2000 novel. Also Falke then goes and ends up with Suzu.
>>3688632Legitimately might be a you problem.
>>3688832Suzu was my waifu since the first time a friend of mine show me how to unlock her. I am glad for him.
Philia best girl.
>>3688886It'll always suck how much juicy info is hidden away in untranslated Japan-only guides or old novels that at best have a summarized translation hidden away in a decade old tumblr somewhere. Like did you know Milla and Jude technically met before the events of Xillia but neither remember? She was 6 and Jude was 1, and through some shenanigans or others she ended up trying and failing at breast feeding him. Things get weird in the Land of the Rising Sun.
>>3688832>>3688906If it's not in a game it's not canon. That goes double if whatever supplemental material wasn't even written by the original author (as is the case with EVERYTHING Phantasia related)
>>3688910I'll need an official statement for that affirmation, fren. Especially when for example, the Xillia story is taken from "The Day Milla Maxwell Was Born", a short story written by... Daisuke Kiga. The main scenario writer for the game. Can it get any more canon than that?
Am I missing something, or the code red monster battle theme just isn't in the Berseria OST?It's clearly not the one called "Expell Class 4 - Code Red Deamons"
Rebirth is a great game. Almost a week since I've finished it, I think it's my second favorite after Abyss now. I wish it had more extra content like Cameo Fights and stuff, but that's ok. The mechanics were fun and the pacing of the main campaign is good.
>>3689224>the pacing of the main campaign is goodBizarre opinion.The PSP version has a colosseum added to it, supposedly they're going to try porting it into the PS2 version eventually.
>>3689228Short dungeons are the best, Tales usually overdo in that aspect
>>3688916Again, if it's not in the game it's not canon.
Interested in giving this series a go. Do I have to play these games in order or can I just pick whichever one I want and understand what's going on?
>>3689234They work on Final Fantasy rules: unless there's a direct sequel number on the title (X-2, Xillia 2) then the games are disconnected and can be enjoyed in whatever order you feel like.There's a couple games that are "technically" prequels to other titles but the references are minor and no different than treating FFX as a prequel to FFVII. Just choose one and go for it, most people would recommend starting with either Symphonia, Vesperia or Abyss. The first two are on Steam.
>>3688805Vholran just wanted to get her a new pair of clothes because her old ones were dirty.He may have been a mass genocider, but he ain't a rapist....I would't blame him if he did though...
>>3689233>he did not, in fact, have an official statement for that affirmation譲歩を受け入れます
>>3689228The only time that Rebirth felt like it was dragging was that section between Randgriz and Mount Sovereign where you have to revisit the towns. The anon who complained about the 2nd half being ungodly slow was exaggerating.
>>3688828>>3689248Considering that Shionne automatically mindbroke herself when Alphen winced in pain for the first time, I doubt Vholran had to put in much effort to get her to do anything.
>>3689234Just don't start with Zestiria, Berseria or Arise. They're shit and two of them don't even use the same battle system as the rest of the series.
>>3689234Pick the one with the cast that appeals to you the most. If you have absolutely no idea what to play, you can't go wrong with Phantasia or Symphonia.
>>3689234Just start with Zestiria, Berseria or Arise. They're good and two of them even use the different great combat system compared to the rest of the series
>>3689234It's like most Final Fantasy games, you can pick whatever game, few of them are direct sequels.For 2-D, try Phantasia or Eternia, people love to rec but the second half of the game has a lot of dungeons with horrible encounter rateFor 3-D, try Symphonia, Abyss, Vesperia or Xillia
>>3689406Destiny R*, do not start with this game if you want to play a 2-D Tales.
>>3689296It's hilarious because when someone asks these people what's their favorite Tales, it's always Vesperia or Abyss, that had horrible second halves, much worse than most games.
>>3689411False actually
>>3689411My opinion of Abyss is much higher because, despite having pacing issues, I don't hate its cast, its story, and its skits. That makes Rebirth's shortcomings a lot less bearable.
>>3689421The biggest thing with Rebirth is that they decided to make what would ordinarily be a secondary character into a MC (Veigue). Everyone else is pretty standard Tales of fare, so I don't understand what about the core cast in Rebirth warrants such revulsion.I do think that Rebirth has some unnecessary skit bloat since some of them could have been folded into one (eg the skits where its essentially the same thing being told twice and I know its a Team Destiny thing because they did it again in DC)
>>3689411There is absolutely nothing wrong with having Abyss as your favorite. In fact it's a sign of patrician taste
>>3689421Ironically I feel the exact opposite, I fucking hate Abyss's entire cast with the sole exception of Guy
Abyss is the best but the third arc of the game dragged. I think Xillia is an average to low ~tirr Tales, but the fact that they cut the last arc makes it more enjoyable to replay. The backtracking in Abyss is also boring.
What Tales had a good or at least acceptable second half?PhantasiaEterniaRebirthXillia 2Innocence RHeartsHearts RBerseriaLegendia, Abyss, Destiny R, Vesperia and Arise were the worst in that regard, with Arise likely on top.
>>3689579I have nothing against Destiny's second half. It's all gameplay. Much better than Rebirth's second half which is all scooby doo shit with Claire and talking people down from their racism.Destiny 2 is impeccably paced, Symphonia too. I want to say Graces doesn't have pacing issues but my memory on it is honestly foggy.
>>3689618Graces literally blitzes through things at such a rapidfire pace especially since the characters barely talk about what happened in the previous continents which is more of a Team Destiny issue.
>>3689618>Talking people down from their racismNo? They pretty much take the insults they get in places like Razilda, Pipista and Belsas on the chin during the first visits when they're hunting down the Beasts since that was the focus. The team couldnt even do shit in Razilda since the army had to get involved and shut it down.The part you're referring to is like an hour of content very late into the game.>ClaireYou mean miss mostly irrelevant? Agarte was the one hoarding the development while Claire was just a plot device for other people's character arcs. By the time that the team finally realize that something's up, it doesnt matter because she's with the team anyway.Destiny's second half in comparison is almost entirely a dungeon rush with maybe 1 or 2 cutscenes at the end of each dungeon. I can understand that you didnt like Rebirth's plot but you are blowing things out of proportion.
>>3689576>The backtracking in Abyss is also bo-https://youtu.be/cteP070tYbIweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>3689642I mean the section of the game where the game is teasing you with near-misses with Claire, which drags on. All while you're just dealing with each village's racism. It's not fun. Playing the game is fun, that's why>almost entirely a dungeon rushis a baffling criticism to me. We just aren't on the same wavelength, which is fine.
>>3689645>Dealing with each village's racismThe villagers in Nolzen/Kyogen/Mokrad arent really racist. The problem with Pipista was more Hack's fault for setting a fire without explaining himself. Razilda is the big one. As for Claire, i count a total of two near misses. You're acting as if it happens all the time.>DestinyI love dungeon crawlers but if I'm going to be playing a story based rpg especially in a franchise like Tales which prides itself on its characters, then I expect the game to have some decent blend of plot, characterization and gameplay. Oberon feels very weak as an antagonist group because they barely exist as a group and go down very quickly. It didnt help that Baruk and Irene are awful boss fights in DC.
>>3689579Undercutting vesperia like that has become a meme at this point. People pretend there’s some warcrime of gameplay that simply isn’t true>>3689576>>3689643>Cutscene in Belkend Medical Office>Leave Research Facility>Leave City>Walk to Port Belkend>Walk to boat>Pilot boat to Daath Bay>Exit port>Walk to Hill>Enter Hill>Exit Hill>Walk to Daath>Walk to Cathedral>Navigate 7 screens inside the Cathedral (knows where cutscene takes place as well as optimal route towards it through maze of identical rooms)>Cutscene in Ion's room>Navigate 7 screens inside the Cathedral>Exit Cathedral>Exit Daath>Walk to Hill>Exit Hill>Walk to Daath Bay>Walk to Boat>Pilot Boat to Port Belkend >Exit Port>Walk to Belkend>Walk to Lab>Navigate 6 screens inside Research Facility (knows where cutscene takes place as well as optimal route towards it through maze of identical rooms)>See Asch walk away from the end of a conversation>Be insulted by every character present>Navigate 6 screens inside Research Facility>Exit Research Facility>Exit Belkend>Walk to Port Belkend>Enter Boat>Pilot Boat to big hole in the ocean>Walk down up a bridge for a full minute>Enter Yulia City>Walk to meeting room>Tear's Grandfather says something a bit racist>Go to Tear's room and fuck around with character model viewer for 5 minutes>Exit Yulia City>Walk down a bridge for a full minute>Enter Boat>Attempt to Pilot boat to Chesedonia>5 second animation of being moved back a foot because there is too much sand>Attempt to Pilot boat to Chesedonia>5 second animation of being moved back a foot because there is too much sand>Attempt to Pilot boat to Chesedonia>5 second animation of being moved back a foot because there is too much sand>Pilot boat to ChesedoniaIt’s rough sometimes man. Not even the plot but just the busy work you have to do.
>>3689674>second half of Abyss>not having the Albiore yetAnone...
Abyss wouldn't even have a third arc if characters had phones, like Xillia 2. You go back to places to talk to NPCs, basically.
Who was the dipshit at Scamco who thought this being Destiny's second half was remotely acceptable?
>>3689736Yeah, it's pretty bad. I'm glad people are realizing the misticism around the japanese-only games was a lie. We got the best entries in english, although some were not the best versions (Phantasia GBA, pfff)
I liked Rebirth
>>3689736Me
>>3689740>I'm glad people are realizing the misticism around the japanese-only games was a lie.What the fuck are you going on about lel
>>3689929People propping up Japan only games for fucking centuries as the best shit ever. They did it with Destiny DC and PS3 Vesperia I’ll give Destiny that the battles are fun but holy shit the second half of the game falls off a fucking cliff with the godawful Dycroft and the story going pants on head retarded PS3 Vesperia was just enhanced rerelease Vesperia. Flynn and Patty were nice but at the end of the day it was just Vesperia with extra content tacked on.
>>3689740Try that again when Destiny 2 (the real one) is actually translated. I will say that I think that Rebirth would have done very well if it was localized back in 2004.
>>3689931Yeah, but Vesperia is the best game in the series, so vesperia + a ton of extra content is great
>>3689932Does anyone (outside of myself) actually hype D2 up at all? I feel like it's the least talked about of the games that weren't translated before Life Bottle came around.
>>3689942Eternity and Destiny 2 were the games responsible for shaping a lot of the things that we take for granted in the franchise, so its a bit of a shame that its overlooked. I recall it having a pretty nice soundtrack.
>>3689945I like pretty much everything about D2, especially the combat. It grew on me like a disease, I didn't even enjoy my first playthrough.
>>3689948>Accuracy is a god stat>Reala/Harold are so damn strong that a lot of fights devolve into them carrying the team while Kyle and one of Loni/Judas/Nanaly play supportYeah, I can understand why it would bounce off a lot of people. I lost my save somewhere in the third world and refused to play more since I figured that an eventual patch would come out.
>>3689951Gunning for a +acc title early makes melee a lot more enjoyable to play.
>>3689736It's supposed to be grueling. Yes I know that >it's supposed to be bad is a popular thought-terminating cliche but in this case it's appropriate for this part of the story to be an ordeal gameplay-wise
>GeyorkiasI was having fun with Rebirth but that fight was fucking retarded.>Get fucked if you brought Tytree to the party since he cant even hit it half the time >Retarded AI cant get out the middle lane to dodge anything >Even if they do he just instacasts Negative Gate/Divine Saber to nuke everything within a mile
Hunting for these chest only post game equips is a pain. They seriously couldn't throw a few more enemies that drop them? They're all palette/texture swaps of each other anyway. Even more frustrating is that some of them are really good.
>>3689995Equipment in Zesty/Berseria is fucking dreadful, worst thing about the games.
>>3689999At least for the shit that drops off enemies you can try farming for decent random skills, for shit that doesn't you need to pray for it to even show up.
>>3689736>Who was the dipshit at Scamco who thought this being *insert tales game*'s second half was remotely acceptable?Most of the games turn to shit in the second half and are only carried by the combat being more fun as you unlock skills and mechanics.
>>3689942Direct sequels that continue an already established world are rare so Destiny 2 has always interested me because of it. Symphonia and Berseria take place thousands of years before their respective sibling entries so only Destiny 2 and Xillia 2 fit the bill
>>3690030Strictly as a sequel there's really no hiding the fact that it's disappointing. Creating conflict out of a solved conflict is never going to feel good, and D2 in particular makes it a point that people are not happy, which extends to the OG Destiny party as well.
>>3689989>GeyorkiasThe fight is really easiest with 1 Melee and Annie/Mao/Hilda. As for the Tytree part, Downpour Shot in all 4 slots. Its one of the most consistent artes for that fight.
>>3689999Zesteria’s is substantially better than Berseria’s
Anal sex with Edna
>>3686633In the novels its revealed that Maotelus isn't really a hellion yet, that's why the bad ending exists, because that's when Maotelus actually becomes a hellion. It was the land itself that needed purification. What the actual purification did wads make it easier to make squire pacts with people without resonance they literally used Alisha as an example for that.
>>3686555According to the director, they did at one point considered having Alisha stay in the party, from a gameplay perspective (perhaps as a Naikiri doll like they did with Tales of Graces), but it didn't work out. Despite being able to buy her equipment however, she actively has the least amount of equipment of any character in the game. The guy who designed the Armatus admitted that he was never told to make one for Alisha. And her character designer and VA both stated on separate occaisions that they were told that she was a side character and temporary party member from day one.
>>3690101Go to sleep Baba
>>3689942Considering Rebirth, Destiny R and Graces f were all 6/10 or 7/10, I'm not.
>>3689941>Vesperia is the best game in the seriesIts was the most overrated one until Berseria took over that title. Although, considering the sheer amount of people that froth at the mouth whenever you say something bad about it, its a very close tie.
>>3690158The kicked Alisha out due to having such bad resonance that she was killing Sorey. Why would she have an armatized form?
>>3690170>t. malding
>>3690098No, he is a hellion. He isn't a Dragon yet (despite looking like one, but that's because of the pact Laphicet did), that's why the bad ending exists. Sorey killed Heldalf and Maotelus absorbed all Malevolence/went out of control, becoming a full Dragon in the bad ending.
What Vesperia had is content and celshading. The writing, story, characters, pacing of the campaign and other important elements were all mediocre.
>>3690190>>3690183
>>3690177How's Studio Istolia going, Hideo?
>>3690183>>3690191>Average Vesperiafag getting triggered as usual
>>3690205>One of the few internally consistent things in Zestiria is enough to warrant being accused of being BabaGet over it, the Alisha vs Rose war is arguing over which turd is less smelly. Lailah and even fucking Edna are better.
Edna saves Zestiria. Imagine if the game doesnt have Smug hebe with Golden Darkness seiyuu>dubkys
>>3690063Yeah, some people also prefer FFX-2 to FFX. Doesn't mean they are majority or are right.
Edna is the reason I played through Zestiria 5x. No regrets. Actually, any interaction between Edna, Mikleo, Lailah and Zaveid.
>>3690030>completely memory-holed Dawn of the new WorldI mean fair but
>>3690158Both Zestiria and Berseria are consistent with the fact that Alisha was never meant to be stay in the party. The only reason for a squire is that they become the next shepherd which was never an option for Alisha who doesn't have the requirements to be a shepherd. From a narrative perspective there was also no reason for her to travel with the party the moment they left Hyland, and more than half the story takes place in Rolance.Fucking Sergei would have made more sense as a party member than her.
>>3690186According to the novels he's not really a hellion yet, but he is infected with Malevolence. It's only after Sorey merges with him that he realizes that Maotelus wasn't a hellion yet. The reason for the merger is because him and Sorey are really purifying the continent itself.
>>3690217Pretty much, when you get down to it, the both of them are pretty shit, and honestly the heroine should have been a female seraph anyway. Especially since Sorey can't fuck human women anyway.
>>3690492>Fucking Sergei Would have been cool thoI liked Sergei
>>3690498Mikleo is basically the heroine in every thing except gender.
>>3690512It was a running joke with nips to the point the even fujoshits admitted to it.
>>3690217>>3690492How do you fuckers don't get that the point is how they MARKETED Alisha as Zestiria's heroine to a point even 6 years later for Arise's release they had to double down and assure fans Shionne was, in fact, Arise's heroine and there wasn't gonna be any Rose twist?
>>3690558Marketing ceases to matter. If you’re still mad about that instead of looking at the product itself, that’s just mental illness.
>>3690558>Muh marketingHave you ever considered that just maybe the marketers were retards that fucked up instead of consulting with the staff?
>>3690558Anon, you do realize that that actually doesn't mean anything right? The people marketing the game and the people actually making the game are two completely different groups who rarely interact with one another. So the mistake in marketing is a reflection of the marketing team fucking up, but actually doesn't hint towards anything about the game. Not to mention the actual person who would have been in charge of the marketing at the time was Baba himself, so he's the one who fucked up by pushing Alisha as the heroine, when she wasn't even close to being one. It's not uncommon for the marketing team to pretend that a game is something that it wasn't.
>>3690577Given the controversy is still alive today as pretty much Zestiria's nº1 talking point and it influenced everything moving forward including its anime and future games interviews and marketeering no, it doesn't seem it ever ceased mattering>>3690586>>3690614>maybe the marketers were retards that fucked up instead of consulting with the staffRight, some nebulous "marketing person" did all the bad things and Baba was none the wiser. They revealed Alisha as the second character in the game even before Mikleo and showcased her in gameplay trailers in levels she doesn't visit in the final game and nobody working on the game noticed>Not to mention the actual person who would have been in charge of the marketing at the time was Baba himselfSo which is it, the marketers or the main producer and big honcho behind the franchise for the last 8 years
>>3690671No one is saying that Baba is blameless, they're just saying that there was some sort of miscommunication between the people actually working the game and the ones responsible for marketing it to the public. Either way, its Baba's fault for being the one who rushed the game out to meet an anniversary deadline as the series executive producer.
They showcased Alisha alongside Sorey in the game's first promotion, reveals, and onward like she was going to be the heroine in all the posters, OP, official artwork, all that jazz. For comparison they didn't reveal Rose until almost a year into it. They led a lot of people on, which led to fan disappointment. If Zestiria ended up being great and Rose a beloved character the twist would be accepted years later. Zestiria did not, in fact, end up being great and Rose did not, in fact, end up beloved but rather accused of Mary Sueness. Moreover, Alisha had a unique fighting style. If you liked what you saw and wanted to invest time into her combat you'd get cucked once you realized she wasn't gonna be around the whole time. I mean she had a whole tech tree you never got to actually experience before her DLC (oh yeah remember how they announced that DLC like a couple weeks after the game's release? Having to pay extra for the character you were promised in the trailers?).Hell, they did it right in the same game with Dezel. Alisha's departure was unceremonious and felt forced. "Uhh we just noticed you can't Armatize. You suck, guess you have to go". Dezel had a proper send off, it was a major story event that provided closure and created character development for the rest of the party. Nobody complained about that one being forced, and most importantly Zaveid played the same way. You know, just like Zelos/Kratos? Issues with Alisha just piled up."It was years ago just get over it" is what people use to try and defend Nomura's bait and switch with the FF7 (((((Remake)))))
>>3690687Comparing FF7R to Zestiria is just being a disingenious cunt. Especially when the most common talking point relating to that one was >its not over yet because its a three part series.Hell, it was written by the same guy who did the original lmao.
>>3690699>Comparing FF7R to Zestiria is disingeniousHow so? People constantly bring up the time jannies to this day and I've seen enough "if you don't like that direction don't play it which really just means "don't talk about it"" or "it's fine that the marketing was disingenuous in how these are actually Compilation sequels with alternate timelines and Kingdom Hearts writing because it happened years ago, move on" to last me a lifetime>same guy who did the original lmaoThe Gooch came back?!'X did the original' stopped being a valuable argument around the time we got Prometheus, Mighty No. 9, Terminator: Dark Fate or Callisto Protocol. FF7 came out almost 30 years ago. Nomura, Kitase and everyone else were different people
>>3690671The bulk of the work done for Zestiria the X would have been done long before the shit concerning Alisha happened. At most, you could argue that it influenced the 2nd Half but I recall people hating how much focus Alisha got to the point that she stole the spotlight from Sorey who was the real MC. Its also deviates heavily from the source material considering that Alisha was somehow able to Armatize.
>>3690687In a first playthrough you assume that even when leaving ocassionally she'd come back frequently enough like they did with previous titles. I mean she's getting new weapons in the stores still, s-surely she won't be gone until the endgame? Flynn wasn't a full party member in pre-PS3 Vesperia but came back so often if not in combat then most definitely in plot and cutscenes that he still felt *there*. Richard in Graces. Narikiri Dolls.
>>3690671>Given the controversy is still alive today as pretty much Zestiria's nº1 talking point and it influenced everything moving forward including its anime and future games interviews and marketeering no, it doesn't seem it ever ceased matteringActually the controversy is dead for anyone who isn't a rabid Alishafags. It died when everyone who worked on the game all said the same thing. Alisha was created to be a temporary party member and a side character, never a main character and certainly not the heroine.>Right, some nebulous "marketing person" did all the bad things and Baba was none the wiser.Baba is the head, so the marketing team fucking up is simply just means that Baba was the one who fucked up the marketing, nothing more, nothing less. The belief that it is anything more than that is just retarded cope.
>>3690687>They showcased Alisha alongside Sorey in the game's first promotion, reveals, and onward like she was going to be the heroine in all the posters, OP, official artwork, all that jazz.Actually a bit of a correction here, Alisha was only advertised as the main heroine for a few weeks. However, they actually stopped advertising Alisha as the heroine the moment they introduced Lailah and Mikleo. >Moreover, Alisha had a unique fighting style.Not really, it's literally the same fighting style as Eleanor, but not as complete, it's also used by Maltran from the same game too, so its not unique to her at all.>Alisha's departure was unceremonious and felt forced. To anyone not paying attention but they started foreshadowing her leaving from as early as when Mikleo became a sublord.
>>3690706>The bulk of the work done for Zestiria the X would have been done long before the shit concerning Alisha happened.TOZX was done after the shit for Alisha happened and they flat out admitted that the only reason why they focused on Alisha was because they thought that the amount of noise her fans were making, meant that she was very popular. But that ended up not being the case.
>>3690738>Actually the controversy is deadIt is literally the one thing Zestiria is and will be remembered for. The domino effect that led to the producer of the fucking franchise's demise>Baba was the one who fucked upSo you agree, got it>>3690742>Alisha was only advertised as the main heroine for a few weeksThe game was revealed December 2013 with Sorey and Alisha as the only two characters in the entire trailer and she was front and center in prerelease marketing at least as late as August 2014>Alisha's combat style wasn't unique in Zestiria because it existed in the form of a non-playable NPC and a game that came out a year and a half laterAnon...>To anyone not paying attentionBecause were mad because they paid too much attention and saw the writing tearing at the seams
I find it funny that Alishafags are insisting on their retarded cope in spite of the fact that if a character was going to be cut out of the game that late into development then the game would have more to show for it, like dummied out lines, cutscenes, or character placement to indicate that they were meant to be there. However, Alisha has nothing of the sort. The only thing she has are her weapons, which only indicates that she was planned to get a Naikiri doll late into development, but she wasn't meant to be a canonically in the party. This is further indicated by the lack of weapons for her.
>>3690753Who are you arguing with? Because the discussion was always about how they fucked up the prerelease presentation creating false expectations, not that Alisha was the main heroine and love interest for 95% of development then evil Baba cut her while holding his team at gunpoint. What part of >>3690558's>the point is how they MARKETED...and its ramifications do you not get?
>>3690753Doesn't matter if it was always intended, it was executed very poorly and contributed alongside a million other things to a disappointingly bad game
>>3690750>It is literally the one thing Zestiria is and will be remembered for. The domino effect that led to the producer of the fucking franchise's demiseNips are pretty much tired of hearing it, especially after TOZX and Berseria, which just shot the theory dead.>The game was revealed December 2013 with Sorey and Alisha as the only two characters in the entire trailer and she was front and center in prerelease marketing at least as late as August 2014Actually as they were introducing the Seraphim they didn't use her for the marketing at all, and there wasn't any footage of her in any location past Hyland.>Anon...You do know that there are mods to make characters like Artorius playable with his in game fighting style right? Hell, the Armatus attacks are coded to actually capable of being used by the seraph when they aren't combined with a human party member.>Because were mad because they paid too much attention and saw the writing tearing at the seamsApparently they weren't paying enough attention, they started hinting that her ass was going to leave from the moment she joined. People who complain that it was sudden were the ones who weren't paying attention, or simply didn't watch the skits, where Edna, Mikleo, and even Lailah point out that she's a bad fit as a squire.
>>3690768I'm not arguing that it was poorly executed, it was. First of all the skits that told us that she was going to leave were hidden behind the Inn visits, and even then they tried to sugarcoat it, rather than just being honest about it.Honestly the manga and Tales of the Rays handled it better because they didn't pull any punches about her being a bad fit for the party.
>>3690769>Nips are tired of hearing itStill literally the one thing Zestiria is and will be remembered for>ActuallyDid I stutter? They used her in gameplay trailers around an area you don't visit until after she's gone with Dezel, a character she never meets. How are you still missing the point how their marketing being horrendously misdirecting and haunting the game to this day? It killed Baba's career for fuck's sake>You do know that there are modsThat's nice, is Alisha the only playable spear user in Zestiria yes or no?>Apparently they weren't paying enough attentionDon't project fren
>>3690768me on the right
>>3690779>That's nice, is Alisha the only playable spear user in Zestiria yes or no?In Zestiria, she is unique for a playable character, however her animations aren't unique for that game.> Don't project frenWhat projection? It's true, anyone who claims that the game didn't foreshadow Alisha leaving at all weren't paying attention, as they hint from the start that she wasn't going to stay for long. Hell, most Nips' issue with her leaving was not the fact that she left, but rather how abrupt it was.
>>3690781>In Zestiria, she is unique for a playable characterSo my point stands. Being sold a character with a unique playstyle then not being able to play them or develop them for 97% of the game blows>but rather how abrupt it wastomayto, tomahto, you're arguing with a post chain that started saying the exact same thing with "they did it right with Dezel. Alisha's departure was unceremonious and felt forced. Someone you didn't see that to mean "stupidly fucking sudden" and here we are
>Try talking about Zestiria>DUDE ALISHA WAS TOTALLY ROBBED>Spread so much that secondaries think its the truthIn reality>Director and writer say that she wasnt meant to be that important>The books whose plots were overseen by actual staff don't give her much focus>The anime which was meant to shill her didnt do that way>Her gacha banners flopped>The last character poll had her losing to Rose>Baba himself admits in a Famitsu interview that Asteria calling her the heroine was a mistake>Barely anything in the game data
>Game Over'd twice in Rebirth to normal fucking battles >The fucking leeches in the swamp that just stunlock you to death
there are more issues with zestiria's story and gameplay than just the alisha drama, it isn't a huge deal but I was ignorant about the behind the scenes stuff until I'd beaten the game. While I was playing though I was confused why it felt like the game was building her up to be a party member only to be dropped pretty suddenly
>>3690687She was prominent enough in the prerelease trailers, magazine articles, merch, etc. to ger her own damn televised special lmao also the game's Collector's Edition featured her in a Chibi Kyun-Chara figurine and a phone strap
>>3690784>Someone you didn't see that to mean "stupidly fucking sudden" and here we areThe best time for her to leave was after the roundtable meeting since that proved why she was a bad fit by itself.
>>3690816Funny, MIkleo seems more prominent than her in the collection, which is pretty accurate since he was basically created as the heroine, but male.
>>3690814Leeches and Ghosts are the worst enemies in Rebirth. Tytree is very hard to use against grounded enemies because a lot of his base artes just whiff (only the arrow moves are remotely consistent) and you probably dont have many low hitting ones like Blossom Strike or the ground pound kick.By the way, if you are using Annie, the AI won't cast Circles unless the timer of the preexisting one is up. This makes Extra (the extended circle during cube effect) really bad. You also want to turn up how aggressive she is with force usage compared to default settings.
>>3690829had to use nearly all my fucking items to kill this fucker. The AI is just really bad and has no fucking self preservation at all no matter how i tinkered with formation setting >Its an Annie runs over to cast Rise Elixer and revive fucking no one episode
>>3690854Wasting a party slot on Annie is probably your problem.
>>3690768>it was executed very poorlyThat's an understatement. I played Zestiria knowing about the controversy and how she'd leave and it still felt incredibly abrupt. Not Rose’s introduction, but the actual scene where Alisha leaves. She’s like “Oh, I have to go take care of something” and then she’s never in your party again. I didn’t even realize that was THE moment until Rose showed up. To make matters worse, the whole rest of the party talk up what a great substitute Rose will be, and don’t really seem sad to lose Alisha. It all just felt really cold from the player POV.>>3690821Everyone knows Mikleo is best girl.
Edna !
>>3690856I rotated the cast regularly and never had that problem with Annie that other people are having where she's dead weight.
Shot in the darkBut I'm having trouble with RPCS3 and Tales of Xillia 2It won't seem to open saves I got from GameFaqs. It'll hang on a black screen.Any ideas on how I can remedy this or alternative saves that might work?I can't exactly get my old 100% save anymore.
>>3690901Save files need to be decrypted before they'll work on RPCS3.
>>3690577Correct, and the 50 or so posts below only prove the point - mental illness. Schizos care less about the actual game than they do about arguing about it
>>3690860>That's an understatement. I played Zestiria knowing about the controversy and how she'd leave and it still felt incredibly abrupt. Not Rose’s introduction, but the actual scene where Alisha leaves. She’s like “Oh, I have to go take care of something” and then she’s never in your party again. I didn’t even realize that was THE moment until Rose showed up. To make matters worse, the whole rest of the party talk up what a great substitute Rose will be, and don’t really seem sad to lose Alisha. It all just felt really cold from the player POV.It feels like Rose was supposed to be in the party much earlier, like around Marlind. The devs already admitted that they artificially extended Alisha's time in the party, she was supposed to leave much earlier.
>>3690937>care less about the actual gameWho gives a single damn about Zestiria
Reminder
>>3691138What's this?
>>3690911It worked splendidlyThanks, anon
>>3690577>>3690586A figure of Alisha was released prior to the game, it's hardly just the marketing's fault. Baba was responsible for the brand back then.Now, I don't think Rose's VA was his lover, that's just fujoshi retarded mentality, but they development team still messed up hard with this game in multiple aspects, inside and outside the game. The anime is a mess too.
>>3691153What it looks likeNamco using a vtuber as the official Tales of Arise ambassador prerelease
>>3691138 God, I hate the secondaries this shit brought to the series. I don't hate the game itself, it's a 7/10. But yes, killing the series is better than bringing normies, weestaboos and fans of Vtubers to it.
>>3691265Could be worseThe ecelebs could be inside the game itself
>>3691268I feel for you, Yakuza fans. 0 and LaD brought a lot of idiots to the series.At least most mainline games were ported to multiple platforms, I guess.After Arise we only got a bad DLC and now Graces f again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fflCWfWmH2I>If you stack enough Light Resist then you can tank the otherwise OHKO counter ougiCool
>>3680056How's the Destiny DC patch? Last I heard was that it was unedited MTL shit or something
>>3691350The first patch, 4 years ago, was totally machine translation but they revised and polished it in the years after that. It's fine since early late 2023/early 2024.
>>3691358Oh really? I was avoiding it before, but I had no clue it got fixed.
>/v/ had two back to back Tales threads yesterday both reaching bump limit Nice
>>3691385The anime was better than I expected
Pic related needs an update now that Berseria and Arise exist, PS3 Vesperia is a thing overseas and Rebirth can be played in English
>>3691261>A figure of Alisha was released prior to the game, it's hardly just the marketing's faultThe marketing team would have been in charge of that as well.The development team is not in charge of merchandising. The marketing team is in charge of that. All it goes back to the marketing team being the source of the issue.
>>3691429The vast majority of them aren't accurate anymore anyways. Only the Team Symphonia titles and Xillia 2 remain somewhat accurate there.
>>3691434Eterniafags with "muh shits" is still pretty accurate,as is Legendia having no fans or Graces stans sucking off the combat
>>3691435The only time I've seen people talking about Eternia's skits lately is regarding the WIP subtitle insertion of them, and Legendianon is gone though. I completely glossed over Graces, you're right.
>2025>still no eternia skits mod
>>3691261Off topic but Rose seiyuu is extremely popular
>Berseria post game dungeon>3rd floor enemies are easy>4th floor enemies one shot meOk then
>>3691385I miss shorts on attractive women.
>>3691433Baba was the responsible for the brand, he controlled both marketing and development team.
Now that the dust has settled, where does Rebirth rank in the franchise?
>>3691826The same as every other Tales of game. It depends on your tastes.
>>3691826It's bottom middle for me, pretty much right where Arise is
>>3691848You have terrible taste
>>3680159Why
>>3691848I agree with that other anon nu tales fans have terrible taste
I see the trick to get people to enjoy translated games is to call them shit beforehand.
>>3691826Abyss>Rebirth>Xillia 2=Graces f> Hearts R>Everything else>Legendia>Arise>Zestiria>DotNW>Tempest
Reminder final boss Dhaos isn't the Dhaos that destroyed your village and killed your parents. He has no fucking clue why you're so hell-bent on killing him
Rebirth is less focused in making high combos than usual, but holyshit, every Arte animation and sound effect is SO satisfying, especilally Fusion Artes. Manipulating the RG and changing between Rush Charge/Cool Charge is really fun.I'm on my second playthrough and didn't mess up with Strategy in the first time, currently learning to play with Tytree. His auto-healing is absurd, interesting that you can extend that to other characters as well.
Dogfight > Battle Organization > The Die is Cast
Reminder you can play Rays offline and find a 100% completed savefile in a Discord somewhere
>>3692034>touch screen Tales gameplayNo thanks
>>3691429speaking of innocence is there any reason to play the original ds version over the vita remake?
>>3683088Symphonia blows FF7 out of the water
>>3685088No
>>3686083Yuri isn't even left handed
>>3686083Ludger (undisputed strongest btw) has 3 movesets out of 4 that aren't swords
>>3688826Me
>>3689931Enhanced Vesperia is great though
>>3692034spoonfeed meI'm still mad I couldn't complete my Slayers collection.
>>3692053yessovl
>>3692066>undisputed strongestEternal Swordsman with time travel abilities and negating sword btw
>>3692096https://www.reddit.com/r/tales/comments/1gsl81x/tales_of_the_rays_offline_mode_gameplay_guide_im/
>>3692132Said no one ever. Worst dungeons in the series.
>>3692138Canonically lost to Ludger btw
genuinely insane how this is the only good thread on this boardhow is this board so shit
>>3692139Thanks.
Is this the worst regular battle theme of the series?https://youtu.be/1qosouO5ZoY?feature=sharedAlso, what are your favorites?Mine: Take up the CrossBare its FangsInferia BattleCelestia BattleTheme of Battle (ToD2)Like a Glint of LightKeen-Edged BladeBattle OrganizationDogfightBattle ArtistTenacity+ Everything from Innocence R
>>3692163The bad regular battle themes are the ones that have a minute long intro since it means that you'll never get to the good parts. Fendel Battle is fine even if it sounds more like a dungeon theme than a combat one.
Last for Graces f Remastered will be released next week
>>3692196>last forYou have a week before this thread even approaches page 10
>>3692149>Canonically
>>3692163MAJINKENhttps://youtu.be/khIjbZjqzK8
>>3692163Fury sparks always and forever
>>3692333I really liked innocence. I desperately need to find a vita so I can play the upgraded version
>>3692329Yep
>>3692350Just emulate it
>>3692163https://youtu.be/6lb_iFcCaxk>yfw 0:37
>>3692360This one is nice, I guess. The first and third regular themes were boring.Abyss had some pretty cool boss themes tho, Meaning of birth and the Everlasting Fight were especially good.
>>3692163https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33seNhsIuLchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9Govm8eA04
>>3692355None of the cameo fights are canon retard
>Namco prints money thanks to Miyazaki >Tales will still forever look like budget titlesWe're second class citizens, bros...
>Get to the end of dungeon >Fight the boss>Game makes me walk my ass all the way back outsideRebirth getting on my fucking nerves for this. If the game didnt have random encounters it wouldn't be so bad. Its a massive slog
>looking around internet archives>discover 1 of the 6 DNA comics.https://archive.org/details/to-p-dna-anthology-manga-full-raws/page/n11/mode/thumb
>>3692653Symbol encounter in those narrow corridors would make everything MUCH worse
>>3692657https://archive.org/details/to-panthology-manga-japanese-raws/mode/thumbsecond of the six and sadly seems to be it.and yes there are some ToP novels there too!
>>3691469>>still no eternia skits modhttps://github.com/JulianoW/tales-of-eternia-skit-restore>All skits have been restored. Camp skits can be viewed by bringing up the camp menu in the overworld.>As mentioned, there are no subtitles yet. This patch may not be useful for many, but should I disappear... the code is available to be built upon. It will be a while before another patch is released, as we're looking at possibly touching up the translation as well.Be the change you want to see.Please, because I'm also waiting for such a mod too.
>>3691385It was a good run. I enjoyed them.Hopefully we'll get a few more when Graces f's remaster comes out.
>I'm Magillanica Lou Mayvin no longer!>From now on my name will be Magi... Lou... yeahShe's not very creative is she
>>3692653Every Tales games do this and it's fucking annoying.
Does anyone have a link to that "Jade is a dick" webcomic? I can't find it for the life of meI remember one of the jokes was when Tear gets injured he throws his arms up and goes "there goes the party's healer lol"
>>3692812WHORE.
>>3692820Calm down Velvet, she just flashed her panties to your replacement shota once.
>>3692812I want to spit in magilou's mouth and then kiss her while she gulp it.
>>3692815Found ithttps://talesofreplica.tumblr.com
I was looking for that garbage meme about Tales fans recommending a Tales game and each one recommend one, Vesperia PS3, Abyss, etc. Anyone has it?
>>3692653Symbol encounters would be worse. Just pop a holy bottle
>>3692825Classic
>>3692812SLUT, JEZEBEL
Sometimes I wonder if I should drop my Tales of Arise review (pdf) here to let you guys have a blast.
>>36929304 years too late
I really love Edna....JC bodytype....Blonde hair.... Blue eyes.....Adult.....Sex With Edna !!
I want to have sex with symonne and let her kick my balls.
>>3693008Same anon, same
What's the best ultimate sword in the franchise? (read: coolest, no powerlevels here)Phantasia's Eternal Sword? Symphonia's Eternal Sword why did they make it double the size and purple again? Material Blade? Key of Lorelei? Second Star? Excalibur?
Coolest? Any Swordian in Destiny, for me.
I want to eat Edna
>>3693096Sounds pretty fucking cannibalistic
>>3693096I learned that the JP seiyu for sailor chibiusa also voices Edna. In English, it's Patty's VA.
>>3693104She also did Golden Darkness and TogaAlso she did Eroges
>>3693104>Golden Darkness>>3693104>chibiusaShe gave me so much hard boners i should personally thank her.
>>3693096what Seraphim/Spirits in Zestiris/Berseria taste like
People frequently ask for a third game after Berseria, but honestly, is it really necessary?The argument is: I want to form a party and kill the seraphim in the Heavenly Realm. However, few are aware that the seraphim that descended to earth agreed about the curse until peace between humans and seraphim is finally achieved, that was the condition for them to be allowed to leave Heavenly Steppes. After that, the curse itself would lift.It's a rigged bet for sure, but killing seraphim is not the point at all/would probably not even solve the problem/it's impossible anyway.
>>3693080as much as I love Abyss, the Key of Lorelei is a lame final weapondoesn't help that the strongest non-Devil Arm sword in the game is available 30 hours before it
>>3692476There's nothing preventing the cameo fights in Zestiria and Berseria from being real. All dialogue is dubbed and you go to some lore related places to find them, even.
>>3693151>There's nothing preventing the cameo fights in Zestiria and Berseria from being realOther than the idea of Jade/Jude/Sophie/Milla just being randomly teleported out of Auldrant/Ephinea/Rieze Maxia one day to fight a bunch of dudes then going back being stupid. Cameo battles are always tongue in cheek events where both the players and devs are on the same wavelength regarding their lack of canonicity. No, Stahn's sister doesn't magically appear in Aselia to fight Cless. They're just fun encounters because you get to test the current protagonists against the old ones
>>3693154I'm talking especifically about those two games. The rest of them are non-canon.Sorey finding Silva's dragon remains, Jade and Sophie in a lore important place like The Calix? Makes sense.
>>3693163>The rest of them are non-canonThese two are also non-canon. At best I could concede the angle of "these fights might be canon from Zestiria's POV but not from Abyss/Grace's POV". But again the idea someone like Jade is one day just randomly teleported to a different world, fights an anime party then goes back and that's canonical to Auldrant is stoopid
Everybody talks about Eternia's skits but when are we getting PS1 Destiny's?
>>3693096I want to rape Edna
>>3692986I had to reflect on it and nurture my absolute disdain for it. And I've come to the conclusion I hate it with passion.https://pomf2.lain.la/f/g7xgbfw.pdf
>>3693136It's a lore thing.Also to get rid of Luke's (possibly) best accessory because it has hp+tp regen.
>>3693296Props for a such a professional contents page.
>>3693296Why you cant maintain this autism by creating /vg/ thread ?
>>3693104>>3693106>>3693116Misato Fukuen is 43 years old now
>>3693310And i am 38, you speak like it's a problem somewhat. Also i bet she still looks like a 20.
>>3693311I wish i found a cure for Aging bros......... I hate getting old. I wish i can make a virus that stop aging after reaching 13.....
>>3693306Nah, there's no need for one and I'm not in the habit of making threads.>>3693304That's just Latex doing its magic. Pretty useful though.
