Why are you like this?
Zoom zoom.
>>3684226>be me 20 years ago>play rpg>like rpg>be me now>play rpg>not like rpg that muchOld good new bad, scientifically proven to be objective
>>3684231Were RPGs turn based or RTWP? This is important because if you liked RPGs during the RTWP era then you were always a secondary anyway.
>>3684231based
>>3684226>youlmao, le hivemind
>>3684235all crpgfags are secondaries
>>3684239OP hit a nerve, huh?
>>3684241non sequitur
>>3684240
I don't play westoid slop.
>>3684255based, fuck jrpgs
3/4 of that list sucks ass
>>3684226Is this a serious question? It's because this site is filled with bitter, unhappy, and, most critically, deeply autistic people.
I'm not like this.
>>3684226It's been awesome seeing crpgs get so much love these past 5ish years or more, but I wouldn't say it rivals the 97-07 period yet
>>3684226Where is Veilguard in this list?
>>3684226Problem is some people expected every RPG on the right to be a 10/10 GOTY.
>>3684368Which ones are the 10/10s
>>3684369to normies its probably bg3. to me not a single one of those games is a 10/10.
>>3684371only normalfags think any game is 10/10
>>3684364Not an RPG>>3684369Age of Decadence, Underrail, Space Wreck
>>3684226I just dont play western gamesIm sure most of those are great in their genre but to me the artstyles are repulsive, like the people that are repulsed by anime, Im the opposite of them, and the gameplay also doesnt appeal to me at all either. Too much number autism too much "immersion" autism that I dont care about. I dont get anything out of my choices mattering, I dont care, Im not going to replay the game to see the other options so there might as well only be one option.
>>3684467Caves of Lore has a nice pixel art style, much easier on the eyes than many of the photorealistic artstyles of usual crpgs.Also, try out Eve of calamity on steam, you might just like It, although its RPG maker cringecore artstyle takes some getting used to
i've never played a single one of the games and i don't feel like itthe golden age of rpgs for me was the psx era, i bought so many i couldn't even finish them all, sometimes i would just get 10 hours in and decide i didn't like it, and i would only consult mechanics guides to figure out what the stats actually do, with the exception of ff6, where this girl in high school spoilered about something everything about it for me, so i didn't even need to check gamefaqs
>>3684468Sure Ill check em out but my backlog is already massive even though I only play nip games but thanks
>>3684226I feel a golden age implies a high bar of quality, not just quantity.
>>3684235>if you liked RPGs during the RTWP eraNTA, but what if I liked those and also liked them during the turn based era, and also like JRPGs?
>>3684491That's getting too complex for my brain to process, so I'm going to go ahead and label you "not a real RPG fan".
>>3684226I'm going to give you a chance to sell me on these games.Elaborate on>caves of lore>dungeon rais>encased>trudograd
>>3684494Okay anon. I'll accept my fate.
>>3684496>dungeon ratsDungeon crawler with AoD's combat but party based. It's not bad, I enjoyed my time with it. It's a battle of attrition with pretty limited resources.
>>3684503I liked AOD but I specifically avoided the combat as much as possible, so it's probably not for me.
>>3684226I count 2 decent games on that list.You also have a Strategy game and something that isn't even a game.Also putting Encased there is a next level shitpost if I ever seen one.
>>3684496Encased is a dogshit game that had the best prologue in gaming history but nothing afterwards was remotely finished.Then they came back and then removed the prologue to make the game 110% dogshit.
>>3684226No grimoire, op is a faggot confirmed.
>>3684226Only Underrail, AoD, Atom/Trudograd are good. Battle Brothers isn't even an RPG.
>>3684511I bet OP smells like sulfur
>>3684511>>3684513grimoire sucks
>>3684226>golden ageHoly zoomer
>>3684231Old bad, youth good.
>>3684517>The concept of a “Golden Age” refers to a period of great happiness, prosperity, and achievement.
I'm a zoomer. I just think old games are cooler.
>>3684568To be honest I would too looking at what gets released today
>>3684570Depends on the genre. RPGs has never been in a better place than right now.
>>3684624I just think old rpgs are cooler
>>3684231Its scientifically proven that its actually because things are more fun when you are a careless child or teen (or a proffessional IT-sector redditor with a good career), and not when you are a sad little grognard failed adult.
>>3684688you sound dull and stupid lol
Baldurs gate 1 and 2 are boomerslop and there's no reason to play them when the Pathfinder games exist.
>>3684231Based
>>368422629 of those games are legitimately mediocre at best.
>>3684788this is why everyone hates underrailfags.
>>3684509I encountered no less than 3 gamebreaking bugs in the tutorial area alone and refunded.
>>3684226most of those are are garbage tho
>>3684226if reddit is circle-jerk 4chan is circle-hate-jerk
>>3684226>atom, trudograd, encased, drovayeah this fucking sucks, 2/10 bait because i replied
>>3684719pathfinder games being shit is a good reason
>>3684226Most of those actually fucking suck, and ~1/3 of them can only be enjoyed if you're an autistic schizo.
>>3685054>4 games out of 30 I don't like? The entire list is bad!You're the faggot being mocked in OP.
>>3684226I only see 2 decent games on there.
>>3684226All DEI and/or soulless garbage.
>>3685190>DEIThis is 4chan bro you can say nigger if you want.
>>3684226I actually enjoy all the games here that I've played but "BG"3 and DOS2 are pieces of shitfact.
>>3684226>BG3>DOS2>DOS1>PF:WotR>PF:Km>RT>PoE>PoE2All garbage. The LARDian games in particular are highly overrated. Just gimmick-focused slop. BG3 tones down the gimmicks, but it's still clear that it's a shitty DOS2 mod with a shitty modern marvel movie storyline. BG3's fights are all trash mob fights. 5e is also trash and a terrible system to play in. Owlcuck games are just terrible slop that revolves entirely trash mob fights.>DENot an rpg>UnderrailA fantastic game. >SolastaDecent though unfortunately there are quite a few half-baked aspects and 5e is not a good system. It would be better to go back to 2e if you want to avoid the stat bloat of 3e rather than going to 5e.>Shadowrun: Returns>Shadowrun: Dragonfall>Shadowrun: Hong KongAll good games>Wasteland 2Meh.>Wasteland 3Slop>TyrannySlop>AoDDecent teleportation simulator. But not really worth playing. Boils down to being an order selection and reloading simulator.>Colon ShitModern scifi slop>KotC2A great tech demo. Though the 3d models in the isometric mode are terrible generic asset store models. It would have been better if he just stuck to the tokens and top down, or, even better, stuck to the sprites like in KotC1. >AtomSlavslop>TurdogradSlavslop DLC>Battle BrothersExcellent >SkaldGood Dungeon Caller>DrovaNever played. >Dung RatsWhat AoD doesn't do very well yet made into its own game. It's middling at best. Battle Brothers would be a better recommendation for a combat-centered game. >EncasedNever played it.>Tower of TimeNever played it>Space WreckNever played>Cave of LoreA decent game.
>>3684226In theory, they should be great games. The combat is fun in some of them. But they just aren't engaging like older games to me. Even older games that I never played until recently, so it should not be nostalgia. Their mechanics are inferior objectively, but that doesn't matter for the game experience. However, I can't really put my finger on the difference.Yes, TB is better than RTWP. But still, e.g. BG2 is better than DOS2 overall. Never cared that much for the combat system, RTWP gets the job done though.
>>3685259>I can't really put my finger on the difference.I'll help you here. The mechanics are degraded by the need for a lot of animations with the 3d graphics which usually end up making manipulating the characters seem less smooth as the animations take more time to do than the smoother and quicker animations that come with the 2.5D games. There's also a greater delay that comes from needing to load up the animations. So you get a perception of clunkiness because the games are purposely slowed down. Going from BG2 to NWN1 will yield the same result. It will always feel smoother to play a solo character in BG2 than it does to play NWN1 for this same reason.
>>3684231Indeed.
>>3685259>Even older games that I never played until recently, so it should not be nostalgiaI'm accustomed to old rock & roll, and getting into music around that genre is easier than genres I'm less familiar with. I've learned to appreciate other music, but it took some time discovering it.Acquired taste.
>>3684226>Westoid slopYes, they suck.
>>3684235>>3684251no,>>3684240is right, CRPGS are Computer RPGSIE they are computer fangames of RPGS and not in ANY WAY the initial material of anything. that makes them secondary
>>3684380dewprism was legitimately a 10/10
>>3686072and the IPs original to video games?
>>3684226That shit isn't the golden age. You're far too young.golden age is 96-2003. Honestly, it started with Diablo 1 and came to a close with ToEE. You could say the silver age was the dawn of the SSI gold box games (88, pool of radiance) to the last good D&D licensed game of the era, which was Strahd's possession in 94.
>>3684226I know the point of this thread is to doomer about modern video games and whine that it's not 1998 anymore but I actually agree that CRPG lovers have been eating really good compared to the decade beforehand.
>>3686206See >>3684543>>3686253That's not the point at all. The point is to shit on millennial doomers who play their favorite childhood comfort rpg (baldurs gate, icewind dale, neverwinter nights, fallout, diablo II etc) on repeat and whine about how RPGs are shit now, despite not having played any new rpgs in 15 years.
>>3686302>play their favorite childhood comfort rpg (baldurs gate, icewind dale, neverwinter nights, fallout, diablo II etc) on repeat and whine about how RPGs are shit now, despite not having played any new rpgs in 15 years.Why do you think these to be mutually exclusive? What if someone has indeed played most modern RPGs and, though appreciating some of the areas they have progressed and improved in, found them ultimately lacking for a variety of reasons?
>>3686306what reasons
>>3686345There was a black guy
>>3686347its so over
>>3686347>>3686351Now, now. Let's not jump to conclusions. There might also have been a gay.
>>3686347Oh no!
Your old RPGs sucked. There, I said it. You are blinded by nostalgia. You are bitter and an AIDs riddled faggot.
>>3686412true. but the new ones suck, too.
People just don't understand what Golden Age means. I swear.
>>3686371This racist caricature would never fly in a modern game. Where is his killmonger hair and where are his diversity game dev hire glasses?
>>3684688>failed adult.Failed at what, being mass produced good goy?
>>3684688I still like videogames. 4chan hates them.
>>3684226what made you like this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6akR7XOtESI
>>3686347>>3686362There were both in the "good, ol RPGs" as well.
>>3687098Old gay black guys good, new gay black guys bad
>>3685203You absolutely can't. 4chan is far less free-speech friendly than twitter. It's about on par with reddit nowadays. Pic related. This kind of light banter got me global banned for three days by some spiteful brownoid. Any sort of slur against non-whites will result in automatic ban if you get reported.
>>3685259>However, I can't really put my finger on the differencePeer pressure and conformism. You have no opinion of your own, so you're pretending that inferior games are better because that's what you see other people here say, and the other people say it for the same reason. Vicious cycle of people with below average intelligence parroting each other because they can't form their own opinion or are too cowardly to express it.
>>3687140It's conformism that partially formed my opinion on media, I get that. Maybe it affected my choice of media in my formative years such that now I genuinely like these specific media. However, there is no parroting and pretending, just stating my formed tastes.So now we return to the question. I seek a generalization of what changed. I am not happy with my own conclusions.
>>3687153>I seek a generalization of what changedYou?
>>3687137Extremely rare Janny win
>>3687286>Extremely rare Janny win
>>3687295You're the one endorsing twitter. That's you!
>>3684240They hated him because he spoke the truth.
I'm gonna go ahead and say this without a single hint of ironyI still think RPGs need more brown women
>>3687351>I still think RPGs need more hot brown womenThere, now every person on the planet agrees.
>>3687296And?
>>3687355that goes without sayingugly "people" don't belong in media aside from villains and monsters
>>3684226most people on this board don't play video games
>>3686371F-A-T
>>3684688Me gruggGrugg put in rpg game from ps2 era that grugg never played before. Usually play for many moons. Sometimes want replay immediately when done.Grugg put in rpg game from modern era. Not play one moon before bored. Grugg can force two, maybe three moons of play, if grugg force it. If grugg finish game, grugg never want play again without heavy mods to make entirely new game.Grugg not know why this happen, but this happen. Must be will of gods.
>>3684226The Golden age will come back when we start getting good RPGs that make use of the AD&D system.Until then, we are forever stuck in a big numbers hellscape.
>>3688036>The Golden age will come back when we start getting good RPGs that make use of an inferior systemMakes sense... in bizarro world.
>>3688045I personally prefer 3rd over it due to greater character customization, but looking back there was some sovl that was lost along the way. One, stats are generally fixed and don’t bloat up, which is what the anon you’re replying to was getting at. Two, rolling for stats made characters unequal and random, and your rolls limited what characters you were allowed to play. Characters like paladins were powerful but rare due to high stat requirements. There was more of an emphasis on roleplaying an imperfect character with strengths and weaknesses rather than ruthlessly minmaxing and optimizing like you’re a munchkin playing a game. Three, different classes having different XP tables and XP curves is an elegant approach to balancing the eternal problem of fighter vs wizard linear and quadratic power curves, even if not implemented perfectly.
>>3688068Great reply and you summarized my toughts exactly. Thank you!Hopefully one day AD&D will make a comeback in games. It is a great timeless system
>>3688068>>3688085in reality it won't come back because half those things you described just result in people savescumming to get the character they want anyways
>>3688428They still would do It with the VERY GOOD 3.5 OR EVEN BETTER 5e ruleset
Got job and responsibilities now. Don't have the attention to sit through hour long cutscenes or dialogue when I just want to play the game. When did games become movie and less about the interaction with the player?
>>3688437literally just don't play bg3
>>3684226>RPG Golden Age>Shows an image of LGBT affirming western slop
>>3688036>>3688068I see only truth in these words.
>>3688428The rules were designed for tabletop where you were rolling dice with a human DM and savescumming wasn’t a thing. The reason they won’t come back is because to get the license, (((WotC))) wants you shilling their current garbage. Once 3rd ed was out they wanted 3rd ed games and now that 5th ed slop is out they want 5th ed slop.
>>3688437>When did games become movie and less about the interaction with the player?When graphical fidelity, processing power, storage capacity, and internet connections advanced sufficiently that developers started thinking of themselves as movie makers instead of vidya game programmers about 20 years ago.
>>3684226BG3 woketards are always like this, they pretend the game is like the ones featured in the pic (it only resembles D:OS in certain aspects) when in reality it belongs with Veilguard.
>>3688437What does any of this have to do with this thread? Go complain to your whore wife, faggot.
>>3688746I can't, she's at her boyfriend's house atm
>>3688665Why are anti-bg3 woketards like this? Invent narratives about a game they haven't played, and then get outraged over their own lies.
I dont want to create a thread so I need just a recommendation of rpg WITH more cool MAGIC ARCANE and great mechanics? or at least more satisfyingI already played FFVIIremake love it and PoE (which i dont really enjoyed the magic aspects)tdrl rpg with the best magic mechanics
>>3688776Baldur's Gate 1-3
>>3684226old CRPGs are generally shit so why would I like the new ones catered to the zoomer audience?
>>3684226There has never actually been a good video game.
>>3684226Nothing is ever good enough for me, because I'm a special little boy
>>3688776Tyranny has pretty good spellcrafting system based on glyphs that you put together to make spells. Morrowind has spellcrafting as well. Arx Fatalis has you "draw" spells to cast them. Infinity Engine games make mages stupid powerful. Pathfinder WotR also with right builds and items, so you can annihilate endgame bosses in two turns. D:OS 2 and BG3 for enviromental effects that synergize with spells. Pick your poison.
>>3684226none of those rpgs are good, actually
>>3684226I liked shadow run
>>3684226There are more but more =/= better.
