>nu-RPG writingoblivion with guns was beggining of the end of decent RPGs i say
>>3689599>calls an FPS an RPGlol nu-fags
>>3689599Yes it's bethesda's fault other devs weren't able to make good games. You moron.
>>3689599The Underground were such worthless faggots.
>>3689599>Uh, we gotta save synths because we just have to, OK?
>>3689599I don’t understand the love for BioWare’s output in the 2000s. I would say they’re a big part of the end.
>>3689599Their ultimate goal was to destroy the facility creating synths, essentially causing their kind to go extinct. Absolute brain dead plot.Their little hideout was sick though, and compact so you don't have to do a lot of needless walking when questing.
>>3689599I love this question so much. It causes spergs to utterly implode.You know what happens when you tell her you wouldn't risk your life for a synth? She says "that's understandable". She's totally fine with you not wanting to risk your life for a synth but for a lot of anons they completely chimp out and shoot up the place.Like, lol, what the fuck is wrong with you people.This kind of reaction tells Bethesda that their player base (including (You)) can't handle roleplay that isn't kissing the player's ass the entire time. The moment they meet any resistance they flip out.
>>3689937You know and talk to people who play FO4? Gross.
>>3689938>talk toNo. Idiot.
>>3689939You are literally attempting to talk to people who play FO4 right now. Idiot.
>>3689940I'm talking of them and at them, stupid.
>>3689944Equivocating this awkwardly? What a dim sperg.
>>3689952Hey, you're the idiot who fell for it.
>>3689599>oblivion with gunsI'm forever going to feel smug about Fallout 3 being exactly this, despite so many people ridiculing the concernToxic positivity fags have been around for a long time
>>3689599Nigger please? The decent began before (You) were even born. This piece of shit is barely a blip on the shit radar tracking the decade or two of shit that came before it.
>>3690041stop projecting, you 26yo "adult"
>>3690040There was actually a time post-Oblivion pre-F3 where people knew Bethesda had the license but they wouldn't outright say that F3 was going to be an FPS and some people really entertained the possibility it wouldn't be. VATS was supposed to be the big bone they were throwing to original Fallout players and they would vaguely hint at it being turnbased because of it.
>>3690295>some people really entertained the possibility it wouldn't beThat's dumb. Bethesda has invested in their type of game, and doing otherwise would've been a waste and produced a flop. For what, to appease old fans who'll criticize it regardless? No point in that.
>>3690316It was a different time. I know from 2025 it's a completely ridiculous expectation but people still thought you probably ought to just make a new IP to do something like that.
>>3690335Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel came before, so using a setting in different games shouldn't have been a foreign concept, even to old fallout fans. Maybe they were being dense just to justify their outrage.>they betrayed my foolish expectations!!
>>3690341People were pretty mad at FBoS too
>>3690342Sure.
>>3690341you drink dirty toilet water and it heals you in fallout 3. lmao
>>3689600ask me how i know you have autism.
>>3690354how?
>>3690355They never give an answer. There's no actual train of thought at play, just whinging brainlets.
>>3689698>What about the hundred of sentient robots?>They don't look human enough
>>3690347yes they were. i member
>>3689940I had a roommate once that worked in IT, had a very nice PC, and mentioned playing Fallout 4. He showed me his save and the stupid motherfucker did not understand perks, and had not used them in 12 hours.
>>3690804what for its just pew pew
>>3690870perks make you pew pew harder, better, faster, stronger
>>3689599>oblivion was the beginning of the end for decent rpgs i sayFTFY
>>3689599Anyone who would hold up Bethesda "RPGs" as an example of RPG writing is a gigantic faggot and has no opinions worth entertaining.
>>3690690I'm sure they were. It would be more noteworthy if someone was happy on the internet. In case you missed the point, it was about fans being familiar with the idea that the Fallout setting can be used in a game that is not like Fallout 1, even back then.
>>3691010The Oblivion with guns meme was more about recognizing that Oblivion itself was shit and therefore Fallout 3 would be shit.
>>3691041Sure.
>>3690882oblivion was the end. Oblivion was specifically designed to be played on console, with a controller. They abandoned their core audience and we ate it up. They have played us for absolute fools unironically.
>>3691102>we ate it up.Speak for yourself im not NV tranny and stick to F2 based russian mods
>>3689703You're braindead. They want synths to be free, they don't want them to take over. Given choice, they probably wouldn't have wanted them created in the first place, but it's undeniable to them that you can't just enslave or kill them off. This is a much more nuanced position than Institute's "we want synths to replace humans but we'll treat them as slaves" or BoS's "kill 'em all" approach. But I guess that might be too cerebral for the kind of crowd who thinks larpers with knives in football gear can defeat an interwar-tier armed force because they don't have liberal politicians stabbing them in the back.
>>3691062*nods*
>>3691114Removing their only means of reproducing is indistinguishable from just killing them all outright; it just takes place over a longer timeline.
>>3691244They are machines, they do not reproduce, they are manufactured. They are not super mutants and they do not care about making more of their own kind.
>>3691520>they do not care about making more of their own kindSource?
>>3690295>F3 was going to be an FPSIt's not, it's an RPG with guns in first person, just like Deus Ex.
>>3689937this nonsense about no middle ground is dumb. My character wouldn't risk their life for random humans for no monetary gain, doesn't mean he wouldn't be willing to help the synths with their questlines if they paid him. Or if he wanted to fuck a synth.
>>3691526Source for them caring? We know supermutants do because of their actions. Not even fucking ghouls care about making more ghouls.
>>3689937>This kind of reaction tells Bethesda that their player base (including (You)) can't handle roleplay that isn't kissing the player's assI would love that, except you are defending a game that hands you over minigun and a power armor one hour into it because its afraid the zoomies would get bored otherwise. Every bethesda game since skyrim sucks player's cock.
>>3691660since oblivion
>>3689599F4 is a fun game. The player choices are like, Yes; Sarcastic Yes; No, but Yes anyway; and a Skill Chec Yes(more xp)
>>3691660Yeah, maybe it's party F4's fault for breaking it's own tone. The player coasts along barely even thinking about dialogue and getting items and accolades showered onto them then it all comes to a screeching halt when she turns up.So anyway, they started blastin'
>>3689599No, Oblivion was.
>>3689703its an allegory for the american slave tradeits not even subtle, the game rubs it in your face at every momentits just that the modern amerimutt is thick as pig shit
>>3692167>sees synths>thinks of blacksMindbroken
>>3692180>The Underground RailroadI wonder what a bunch of onions nu-developers could have had in mind here
>>3692180>its just that the modern amerimutt is thick as pig shitGood job proving me right I guessWhy do you think it takes place in Boston of all places?
>>3689699Because before Bioware RPGs were written by autistic Germans.Personally I think single player games should have stories and fun characters otherwise what's the fucking point? If you want gameplay go play an online game.
>>3689937Much of Bethesda's writing is corny and I'll be the first to acknowledge it, but the fact that it causes so many players to completely sperg out just reveals how many RPG gamers are insecure edgelords who demand every game be some self-indulgent, remedial polisci lesson. FO4's dialogue system was genuinely innovative in that you weren't context-locked and could deliberately talk over, walk away from, or even blow the speaker's head off mid-sentence all of which are much more natural ways to interact with someone than a carefully worded rebuttal in the middle of the fucking apocalypse.
>>3691520>They are machinesEnd of the discussion, Railroad is retarded. >But I guess that might be too cerebral for the kind of crowd who thinks larpers with knives in football gear can defeat an interwar-tier armed force because they don't have liberal politicians stabbing them in the back.Without Courier interference the war is won by the Legion.
