What's a popular JRPG opinion you regularly hear that is stupid?
>>3904200>"Timed hits and timed defense/dodging/parrying are the best thing ever and need to be in more RPGs"
>>3904200>Trails is a masterclass in writing and worldbuilding
>Long RPGs are better
>>3904200"Octopath 2 is the best JRPG" *proceeds without giving any arguments or comparisons*-Octopath 2 fans "Persona is peak turn based combat""Xenogears has the best story of all JRPGs""SMT V is what I hoped from Pokemon!""Unicorn Overlord is not an autobattler. FE is an autobattler."
>>3904227*Persona 5
>Chrono Trigger is the best JRPG
>>3904227>SMT V is what I hoped from Pokemon!Christ dude, I love Pokemon, SMT, and a ton of /mon/ games, but it makes my blood boil when every single game in this genre gets compared to Pokemon by tourists. Especially in """reviews""", they can't discuss anything without the lense of PokemonAlso, anyone who uses the word "peak" seriously. Immediately disregard what they say.
Lunar 1 is one of the greats of the classic jrpgs
I'm a Falcom fanboy but Daybreak was shockingly bad. The game is incredibly easy and there is a lot less gameplay depth than even the original Trails FC.
>>3904227>"Xenogears has the best story of all JRPGs"It's true and no amount of contrarianism will change that
>>3904258>It's true and no amount of contrarianism will change thatThis is what I meant. Empty platitudes without proofs. Complex? more like convoluted.
>>3904258An unfinished mess is not a story.
>>3904200>What's a popular JRPG opinion you regularly hear that is stupid?"Final Fantasy 9 is a good game/great game/the best game in the series"Apparently it's also been long enough that zoomers are saying, "akshually, Chrono Cross was good" now.
>>3904200>FF7 is overrated>FFTA is bad because too childish>This game should be remade in HD-2D>>3904205Anybody who says this doesn't actually like turn-based combat.>>3904220It's not a masterclass, but I do think most RPGs do need some of the level of detail & prose that Trails had, at least from the Sky trilogy.This is speaking from someone who dislike the boringness and anime-tropeyness of Trails plot, I think most JRPGs ignore alot of details which can be immersion-breaking.
>thread is just contrarians saying good games are actually badThis place is just /v/ but about RPGs, huh.
>>3904282>saying good games are actually badNobody was saying that. You are making a strawman out of air. People are just finding those popular statements illogical a.k.a. stupid.
>>3904200>What's a popular JRPG opinion you regularly hear that is stupid?You’re supposed to keep playing jRPGs past your teens.
>"FF15 has the best gameplay of any SE game"bullshit
>>3904297>half a circle pressBased
>>3904227>"Unicorn Overlord is not an autobattler. FE is an autobattler."You have to actually have seen that opinion to talk about it.
>>3904297Exactly one person has ever said this
>>3904200>the pixel remasters are acceptable ways to play classic FF
>>3904285bro you are on this board
>>3904352Pls. The Price Is Right was dethroned for entertainment for people over 50. They don't play the games. They unironically watch streamers.
>>3904352Correct, Grave of the fireflies is a kids movie
>>3904200silent protags are bad
>>3904285>>3904352weird judgmental nose-raising by some newfag
>>3904352yeah but you're posting on the 4chan jrpg board which is way more immature
>>3904362>/vjrpg/
>>3904359>weird judgmental nose-raising by some newfagDid I say “jrpgs are trash” or “no jrpgs are worth playing” or “only faggots play jrpgs” or something else that you imagined? No, I didn’t.
>>3904200>old rpgs made you grind a ton >they're talking about snes or psx era games where you don't need to grind at all
>>3904220>>3904280Generally agree here - TitS is pretty dang generic in terms of its overall plot (if at least competent within being generic). That shouldn’t be anyone’s focus when looking at what to take from the games. What they are good at is taking all the generic npcs that tend to get brushed aside in other games of the same style and making them into people who actually live in the world. And that makes them memorable - which is a good thing! More games should try to emulate that aspect of success.
>>3904200>story is the most important thing in RPGs
>>3904275FF IX is the best in the series and CC is good though.
>>3904275>>3904391Chrono Cross was good, but FF9 is mid
>>3904200I know this is a bit off topic. But doesn't it feel weird when Japanese developers talk about “wide appeal” as if their stuff wasn't made to appeal to as many people as possible? It's a strange universe where they and anime fans feel persecuted even though anime is mainstream and does everything it can to be relevant.>Everyone must be beautifulfor some reason background is irrelevant>fashion senseeveryone wears designer clothes despite their background saying otherwise>Everyone knows kung fuUganda>Tropes, tropes on top of tropestropey written to the point that you can predict the plot from the first line of dialogueEven the difficulty part is bullshit. When ball busting difficult games are best selling games>muh streamingslopif they didn't like it, they wouldn't buy it
this game is the best in the series and if you say otherwise you were filtered
>>3904391Yeah, Crisis Core is good
>>3904396What the fuck
>Chrono Trigger isn't a great game
i don't know any popular rpg opinions because i only talk about rpgs here and nothing said here is necessarily popular. i think this topic would do better on reddit.
>>3904244Are you actually that surprised by every game in a relatively niche genre being compared to the most successful and long running games in the genre?
>>3904244>Digimon game exists>BUT HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO FUCKING POKEMON?!Drives me crazy
>>3904358Based.Specially in games about living vicariously through a character.That's why I roll my eyes when people want a talking MC in Persona.It's not a series made for that except spinoffs.
>>3904503Well the answer is it compares poorly, even with how janky recent pokemon games have beenSo it is an important fact to distinguish
>>3904200>she is a knight/tank but her outfit is too gooner/silly/ridiculous! womyn in old jrpgs always dresses properly!yeah its not like dragon quest 2 or whatever obscure pc88/98 games made bikini armor a thing noope
>>3904261show me where the story is unfinished. I'll wait. in fact, people saying that Xenogears is unfinished is one of those stupid opinions.
>>3904609The story is finished. However, objectively, the game itself is not.
>>3904200>"This game changed my life"
>>3904200People hating on random encounters. What they actually don't like is high encounter RATE.
>>3904200>ATB is greatReal Time with Pause with Menus is just as shit as RTwP. Go real time or go turn based don't sit on the fence like a faggot.
>>3904220Came here for this. The amount of people I see claiming Trails is a good example of story, character and world building drives me up the fucking wall. This is just bloat. It's disgusting that people can call this anything remotely well written.
>>3904606Who are you quoting, nobody said that>>3904653Some people genuinely don't like not being able to see fights coming and/or having infinite fights in an area. The simple solution to please them is having enemy sprites in the overworld which you can try and avoid
>>3904200>ATB/RTwP is bad
>>3904710>Some people genuinely don't like not being able to see fights coming and/or having infinite fights in an area. The simple solution to please them is having enemy sprites in the overworld which you can try and avoidthat means for people playing proficiently you simply avoid combat 99% of the time. It's a fundamentally different experience to random encounters
>>3904200>"the dub is good"
>>3904244I will never forget how people treated Yokai watch back then.
>>3904200>FF5 has a fun job system, but it has no story>FF10 is one of the best video games of all time, periodThese two opinions only exist in the absolute wasteland of movie-game supremacy, where every single sentiment and emotion needs to be spoonfed to you through repetitive dialogue and frequent cinematic cutscenes. The fallout of such games dominating the genre results in people thinking movies can be great games, and that great games that aren't movies somehow have "no story".>>3904688>This is just bloat. It's disgusting that people can call this anything remotely well written.Yeah, I watched my friend try to slog through TiTS a couple of years ago and I immediately understood why people might assume it has good writing. But more than likely, those are people who grew up watching a lot of shitty TV, playing late 90s/early00s movie-games, and generally just not understanding good pacing or characterization; i.e., most products of a post-"Nation at Risk" western educational system.The thing about Trails is that there's a lot of text, and some solid characterization, which results in a lot of potential. Arguably enough to trick people into thinking there's depth. But the actual structure of the story and the redundancy of 90% of the dialogue is utterly insufferable if you have critical thinking skills, or a functional short-term memory. Plus, once you've played more than one of these games, the sunk-cost fallacy starts to come into play, and some people will NEVER admit how fuckawful they are, even as they get exponentially worse.
>>3904724This thread is about opinions, not facts.
>>3904710>Some people genuinely don't like not being able to see fights coming and/or having infinite fights in an area. The simple solution to please them is having enemy sprites in the overworld which you can try and avoidI'm often annoyed by visible enemies because they're generally not handled well. Often times, due to close quarters and narrow hallways, you're forced to fight them all anyway, which I find more annoying than random. It gets even worse in games like Chrono Cross where you don't even level up or get much of anything for fighting standard encounters. It kind of makes it all feel more like tedious busywork, especially when, even if you run, the enemy will still be blocking your way. It's a million times worse if the enemies can cluster around you, locking you in place until you beat them all (looking at you Grandia/Grandia II).>>3904653>What they actually don't like is high encounter RATEIMO, the problem with random encounters is that, toward the end of the 90s, they all started to take too damn long while not being particularly difficult or engaging, which leads to boredom.For example, early JRPG battles were more difficult, but also faster. You had to make good strategic decisions (use status effects/buffs, prioritize more dangerous targets, etc), then you saw them play out in under a minute and got on with your life. Sometimes in 30 seconds or less. Then, as games "progressed" battles became easier. By the mid 90s, most random encounters are cleared by mindlessly mashing "attack", and maybe an AOE spell to pick off stragglers. This wouldn't be a huge issue if it weren't for the fact that over the next several years, battles become bloated; longer intro animations and load times, more intricate/longer attack animations, as well as more intrusive victory animations and menu screens. This combination just makes it all feel like a pointless chore.
>>3904886>take too damn long while not being particularly difficult or engaging,This is FFX's combat system to a tee. They were kind of on to something with having certain enemies being weak or resistant to attack types beyond just elements, but once you've seen all the tricks, it basically just turns every encounter into a tedious match of party swapping and rock-paper-scissors. And the encounter rate in X is fucking stupidly high. I feel like they were trying to balance all the time the player spends watching cutscenes by having encounter trigger every 5 steps once you finally get control.Additionally, it's what I hate about the sphere grid customization system. It only really exists to mitigate the forced tedium by allowing one character to earn another's abilities so you have to swap less often, but ultimately, the entire sphere grid is just turning what should be a passive act of leveling and gaining stats and abilities into a braindead, deconstructed, time-wasting board game, again probably to distract from the fact that 80% of the game is cutscenes.Christ, FFX is so bad.
>>3904280>This game should be remade in HD-2DThe shame of it is that HD-2D is a good idea, just horribly mis-used. Too many of the HD-2D games just suffer from bloat, because devs are afraid of creating a sensibly-sized, 30-40 hour adventure, like an old-school JRPG should be.If you take the HD remake of Dragon Quest 2, for example, shrink the world map by 50%, and cut out half the dialogue, it would actually be a phenomenal little game with decent challenge and a lot of charm. But as it stands, it's just too much pomp and circumstance for the level of gameplay you're actually partaking in, and the oppressive size of the world and the amount of blather begins to actively degrade what should be key elements in a game like this—exploring everywhere and talking to everyone.
>>3904200Prove it isnt the best jrpg of all time
>>3904330True for FF3. 3D version sucks.
>>3904914Kai is good but it isn't even the best game in Kiseki. Best since CS3, though.
>>3904925I was testing you, you pass.
>>3904923Why, I liked it.
>>3904688Anytime anyone says something anime or anime-adjacent has a good story you have to take this with a heavy grain of salt.
>>39049233D version was ludo.
>>3904936The 3d remakes of 3/4 are too slow compared to the original. I also dislike the change from side view battles to over the shoulder, but I know that's petty.
>>3904938Anime is a medium, not a genre
>>3904960Anime is a genre, not a medium.
>>3904330What is wrong with them?
>>3904200What is best final fantasy and why is it chrono trigger. Sure chrono trigger is the best Square game hands down, but it's a not a final fantasy, so the premise is all wrong.
>>3906689>What is best final fantasy and why is it chrono trigger.No one has ever said this.
>>3904220people only say this because average jrpg worldbuilding is 99/100 times super fucking generic and basic so a series that at least tries to actually flesh it out (even though the average wrpg still has a more fleshed out setting in 1 game than trails has in 10) gets insane amounts of praise because the average jrpgfag doesnt know any better
>>3906705Most wrpgs are just as generic and tropey thoughbeit, it’s just a different set of tropes they’re using
>>3906709>it’s just a different set of tropes they’re usingUsed to be Tolkien and DnD, now it’s faggotry and cultural Marxism.
>>3906711Dressed up like Tolkien and DnD
>>3906709yeah but wrpgs value having a settingthe most generic wrpg setting still has 100x the depth than the average jrpg setting
Open world is better
>>3906714Generic jrpgs just use the exact same generic western fantasy though. Reads like a statement born from tribalism
>>3904220crossbell duology is a masterclass in writing and worlbuilding and by playing the 3 sky games you can appreciate it more. Cold steel onwards the writing got worse though I agree. Still in terms of worldbuilding name 1 jrpg that has a bigger world with varied political aspects such as trails.
>>3906714They really don’t the characters all act like generic super hero characters which is several leagues below the writing quality of even battle slop for 12 year olds
>>3906889The ending of Azure has to be in the top 5 worst endings I've ever seen in a game.
>>3904200I just hate how much time every single JRPG wastes. They seem to relish disrespecting your time even with the animations that come in between animations, menu scrolling, battle intros, battle outros, flourishes. They use the same brush they use to make those 25 minute cutscenes to make every other aspect of the game down to menu fonts. And that brush is a paint roller.
>>3907366youre tripping. The Kia plottwist was really well foreshadowed since the beginning of the game and amazingly executed
>>3904200HD2D looks good.
>>3906711What is cultural marxism? And what do you define as faggotry?
>>3907545>villain who has been planning his epic plan for decades gets talked down in 5 seconds>then another shitty villain pretends to kill him for absolutely no reason instead of just killing him>game then just ends abruptly with "please play cold steel" while also spoiling a bunch of shit that happens in the process because they didnt want to actually write an endingits awful the game completely shits the bed at the final dungeon in general
>>3906705It doesn't though. It doesn't TRY to flesh out anything. It just gives you a lot of pointless text to where NPCs have more to say than your own party members but not of it matters worth a lick. It's all just repeating shtick. I LIKE TO FISH! LET'S SPEND MULTIPLE GAMES TALKING ABOUT FISH! OH THAT OTHER PERSON LIKES FISH! WE TOTES BECAME COUPLE!
