It's been about a couple weeks since Chapter 5's release. Has this affected any fangames in any way? Was it that much of a nothingburger?Are you developing a fangame? Post progress!
DRY update so far, I think around 30-40% of the mandatory light world segment before the dark world for day 3 is doneit might still take a while to actually finish the chapter but progress is happening (after being in a slump for about a month prior to this)I need to draw a lot of sprites though, so this might take a while longer than expected but hopefully day 3 can still be complete before the year ends
>>4013759Always a pleasure to see more of your work, Gizmo’s expressions are looking really nice.Here’s hopping for a smooth development.
>>4013757Let’s discuss other ways which Chujin could fulfill his dreams of a boss monster army.
Why did you genoslide the thread? Couldn't you wait to let it die naturally?
>>4013759Good God anon, I wish I could work as fast as you do, your progress is insane
>>4013757>christian ceroba larp account made this month made by a “HMOFAfag” has this to say about pornI didn’t know glowies were aware about the existence of HMOFA and Ceroba until now
>>4013759Gizmo's head tilt sprite reminds me of Yi a bit. Keep up the good work, dry1anon
>>4013759That looks great! Looking forward to it. A whole chapter within roughly a year is incredible work, and I mean it. It's inspired me to keep up my writing more seriously.>>4013766The LARPing on Twitter is interesting. There's a war between chuds and wokescolds, one of the latter being a filipino LARPing as Clover but also ERPing with people on that account. He's now being trolled relentlessly.
>>4013789It seems like a full out troll war because the Clover was posted to InsaneCope, which really excited him. Everyone involved is insane in some way, but I don’t know how you can identify as a based tradcath anti porn whatever but be a HMOFAfag for Ceroba. Almost everyone that identifies as a HMOFA enjoyer and likes Ceroba has some weird fetish
>>4013792>has some weird fetishIs this really the case? I know my own tastes are very mild but she seems like she'd attract a lot of people into vanilla lovey dovey stuff
>>4013792>Almost everyone that identifies as a HMOFA enjoyer and likes Ceroba has some weird fetishAlmost, maybe, but it is still possible to like the character without being a fetishist, so he could be honest. She's basically an assertive tradwife after all. I don't use the site so I can't see how well they stay in character, or if they are mirroring the typical Tumblrite who assigns weird identities and ideologies to characters even on a "Ask X anything" blog. I'm just going to get some popcorn and enjoy the memes that come out of this.
I don't care about any of this. Anyone have more news besides DRY1anon
>>4013757Someone mentioned some Weaver art of Netskie in the previous thread, can someone link it?
>>4013797nothing fun but some of the things in the pause menu were misaligned so i got them fixed
>>4013805Looks just like Deltarune's inventory screen, unless there's something I'm missing.>KiaosSo whats the meaning of this name?
Hello anons of utdr fangames, newfag here.I have been lurking in those threads for about 2 months now and I don't have the best grasp of what all of the projects anons here do. I have seen DRY discussions, some mentions about Oldentale, but is that as far as my knowledge goes. Is there some list that contains general info about them?If there isn't, could you tell me about them?
>>4013807the soul and bradley's name sprite were misaligned because his name is a bit too long as a default name sprite, and the soul had an incorrect offset when hovering over kioas so i got both of those fixed so now everything looks awesomesauce and tobycorehis name is just a portmanteau of kiosk and chaos, which is kiiiind of a joke since he's as non-lethal as it gets but i just chose it 'cause i thought it sounded cool, im not very good at names
>>4013809There's also Naranja (Orang soul fangame)Geltarune >>4013805 features a funny greym'n named bradly with a porple soulSurvey_Program_2 a quasi-remake of Deltarune with the expectations people had back when only Chapter 1 was out and some of the rumors going around (to my knowledge).There's also at least two DRYs.Someone has a link that has links to all the game (I think), and if I forgot any someone could chime in.
>>4013811Theres also that anon who said hes working on "UTYR"That said he should have something to show us this month
>>4013809Like the other anon said, we have multiple fangames in Development>Deltarune YellowThe fangame with the most progress so far, pretty much the UTY cast but on the Deltarune world, follow the adventures of Cole (Delta!Clover) and Kanako, it already has two chapters released and you can find it on gamejolt>OldentaleTakes place during the human monster war, you play as a common monster that somehow got hold of a human soul>NaranjaTake on the orange human soul, play as a DBZ obssesed kid, focus on combat and has platforming mechanics, it also has a short demo you can find on the fanworks archive>SURVEY_2Deltarune but if most of the fan theories were true, basically a retelling of the game>Deltarune Yellow 2A different take on DRY, at one point DRY1 was cancelled and this game took the mantle until DRY1anon came back>GeltarunePlay as a wagie human on the Deltarune world who has to close a dark fountain on his McDonald'sThere's also a few other anons who pop here from time to time with their projects, but they aren't as active as the devs mentionedHere's the fanworks archive if you're interested in any of the fanfics/greentext people have written, also the only place where you can find the Naranja demohttps://rentry.org/mtt-fan-works
>>4013816>Shattered Gold updated in aprilChrist, I really *really* need to get back to writing it don't I?
>>4013817Get on it anon! Get on it so that It looks even worse how much I've put my story off!
>>4013821Which one? Also I'm currently drawing something.
>>4013811>There's also at least two DRYsyou know, i've been wondering for a good while seeing these threads. what is this whole deal with the DRY1 and DRY2 stuff?
>>4013823tl;dr:>DRYanon1 canceled for a bit>DRYanon2 took some sprites to make his own>DRYanon1 came back after people encouraged him to just put out what he had
>>4013822Best in me and fox's court. I didnt really register how long it had been until you brought it up.>spoilersNice, is it something the thread will be able to witness or something outside of that scope?
>>4013829Oh nice, I'm actually reading both of those lol.It's deltarune related. A netskie chick
>>4013830Nice, I'm gonna push in the coming weeks to have chapters again if nothing crazy happens again And also>spoiler nice
>>4013093>>4013104>Facial ExpressionsI'm reading back through, and I believe you have the right of it. I mostly use the redness of Kanako's blush to communicate how flustered she is, but I have the rest of the body and face to work with. I'll revisit the lewd scenes and see what I can come up with.>ChangesI added the bit about the Foxy Chef apron as something fun and to create some narrative spacing, and the bit at the end where Ceroba comforts Kanako and gives her a kiss on the head to soften the transition between the hallway and the bedroom. I had received feedback on the first draft that there was something awkward in the opening scene and that was my attempt to rectify it. If the 1st reviewer is reading this, I hope that addressed the concern. I know I didn't change any dialogue and just added more, but that's usually how I fix something that feels awkward. There's usually a missing note, rather than a sour note, at least in my experience. That, or I scrap the entire scene and take it in a different direction, lol.I also changed the ritual to have the door closed, rather than open, also at the first reviewer's suggestion. And I fixed some formatting that I botched, where all the italics got dropped from the rentry.>FoxlaceUsing her as an emotional lever came from my experience playing DRY and being a bit let down by her getting a little cutscene in the lead-up to Bearing's fight, but very little in the way of acknowledgement from Kanako. No shade to DRY Anon, but I also felt like Kanako didn't have anywhere near enough of the shonen protag mentality to shrug off near-death experiences in the darkworld like Susie does in DR, so I modified her accordingly. I didn't feel like Cole would, either, and so the scene was born.
>>4013093>>4013108>CompromiseI continue to be extremely relieved that I didn't go through with the prototype of this fic. I was going to write it such that Cole and Kanako were already at the point of being comfortable with sex, and I had Kanako's don't-get-caught ritual written before I took a step back and thought "wait a minute, isn't this a fucking waste? How am I going to progress from here???"Progression is something I keep in my mind whenever I'm writing; that, and how I can explore different facets of an idea. The original idea was all gasoline, no control. Amusingly, what prompted me to think about this was looking at my text doc with future lewds in it. Namely, it was the Nine Sols Yi X Goumang fic that I want to do.>I would have written her response a little differently to be more in line with what I know of her character.The other reviewer also critiqued Ceroba, saying that she felt flat. The passage you wrote gave me an idea though, and I'm going to see if I can make it work out. Thank you very much for sending that my way.Also, the condom/gun protection joke is 100% going in, that's gold.>I really do want to write as well as you and will be using this as a reference.Thank you very, very much for the compliment, and for all the other praise. It means the world that I can give something to people.I also caught the second weekly thread's comments at the end.>>>/v/742698309>>/v/742698548Thank you both for reading, and for the compliments. And... it really was my first go at this. When I was finished with the fic, I was pleased enough with the result to post it, but I got some stage fright when the time came to commit, and I suppose that admission was my way of shielding my heart. What if this thing I'm really happy with is SHIT and CRINGE because I'm out of touch with what gets people going?But that wasn't the case, and I hope to make more things that people like and are inspired by.
>>4013840For fucks sake, I screwed up the last link, and I'm stuck on the "You must wait longer to delete this post" screen, so I can't fix it. I'll just put it here:>>>/v/742698548
>>4013839>If the 1st reviewer is reading this, I hope that addressed the concernI havent been able to read the updated version yet, but I'll set aside time this week for doing that and reading that other anons lewd fic soon as I can. I also need to get both added to the librarby so Ill make sure I get it done this week and no later I'll be listing yours by itself until others pick up on who you are.>>4013840> Nine Sols Yi X Goumang fic that I want to I kneel, your power is too great.Will that one be uploaded anywhere or will I need to keep an eye out on those threads to hopefully catch it?
>>4013839>>4013840NTA but are you partners anon?
>>4013832Well, here it is. Not the best pic ever but I liked the design of these critters. Also obligatory edit because it's me we are talking about.https://files.catbox.moe/y0b04g.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/nba614.png
>>4013846>I like you lightnerSo she's telling me... ive got a chance
>>4013843Well, a Nine Sols fic is certainly off-topic, but we've long had some cross-over in these threads. Amusingly, this has manifested in this very thread with >>4013785So I'll post it here, and try to post it to a Nine Sols thread if I can find one. I'm also intending to post one more draft of Cracking Open a Kanacoke here and then take it to Ao3.
>>4013846She should disquise as Chujin and pay a visit to the 'Roba
>>4013848Hope dies last, anon
>>4013846Pretty nice boobies on that fop
>>4013845pic related...but not really, 'cause I knew the secret wasn't long for this world. I had neither the time nor the inclination to mask my typing style in replies, and using the present-tense is a dead giveaway, to say nothing of my other uncommon stylistic choices. I was just a bit shy about doing NSFW and having it be associated with my gen fic that's almost two years old now. Especially if the NSFW was bad.I'm gonna make a pseud to post lewds to, but the jig is up, and has probably been up for a while, and I won't ask anyone to pretend otherwise.
Reposting Wiki hooves, for anyone who missed it and wants to see it.Wiki showing off her hooves: https://files.catbox.moe/vmlyxg.pngAnd here's an alt with (you) rubbing your cock on them, to her surprise: https://files.catbox.moe/tyw6b8.png
>>4013839>>4013840Cheers! I'm glad I was able to be a decent critic since I've learned firsthand how important that can be to the writing process. I've been trying to get my friend who's not (yet) a DRY fan to review my stuff and while he's been of help, he's dragging his feet when it comes to finishing it. No worries, since I know he'll get to it and I've critiqued his own work before.Should I quickly rush to finish Nine Sols to know the story before reading your work? It's a game I already want to play; on the other hand, I would lose the valuable perspective of an outsider not knowing the context of the world. Well, it's valuable only if the story is on the longer side.>>4013855>I was just a bit shy about doing NSFW and having it be associated with my gen fic that's almost two years old now.See, this is why it's best to write self-indulgent works like smut first and then graduate to more serious content. I understand that feeling completely. Was there anything in particular that inspired the NSFW scenes, or was it more just thinking of "this is really hot and also probably what they would try"?>>4013846The expressions on her snoot are great and I like the little details like her chest fluff.
>>4013866>https://files.catbox.moe/tyw6b8.pngI really like the idea of a girl like her having little "micro bleats". When she's surprised there, it's the briefest subtle bleat, maybe right before she speaks.
The Always Trustable Normalet
>>4013744>Perhaps, but more so that I found it to be kinda hot myself. Just the idea of sex while constricted, or the milking part?>If anything it is just a more extreme form of cuddling and a logical conclusion to constriction.Perhaps.>And knowing your desire for comfort, it fit in perfectly well.I'm not entirely sure I would consider such a thing to be "comforting", as such, but I appreciate the attempt.>The milking part was merely a distraction which lowered your guardIf it had lowered my guard, I'd have noticed it less.
>>4013877There should be a chance of this thing replacing normal Martlet in DRY for a single scene
>>4013871I could see that.I'm not sure what I imagine her speaking voice to sound like, other than potentially being similar to Toriel's in certain aspects, but I feel like her occasionally making noises like that would be cute.
Clover/Cole if he met GG!Underfell Sans:
>>4013896my favorite idea is that all the "ooough you're such horrible people for killing someone morally bankrupt" stuff falls flat on cole and kanako>flowey realizes that he's not dealing with another pacifist frisk or the fun gang>GG!fell sans takes extra karma damage himself>other DT potential villains end up eating shit as they get cut off during their speeches about how you're achually just like them if you kill them.>ends off with cole and kanako coming back to DRY at level 15 with no mood change because every kill was justified.
>>4013759So far from my impressions of DRY, Gizmo is basically "Berdly if Toby didnt hate him and have him get cucked by the Yuri agenda". Did I get that right? Given how you guys seem to ship him with Sadie (who is similarish to Noelle) and Melody (who is similarish to Susie), it readlly does seem that he's basically "Berdly if he got game"
>>4013762I thought the Chujin mpreg discussions from last thread were suppose to be jokes... also were's the rest of the image?
>>4013757>Has this affected any fangames in any way?On a first impression, I felt like my ideas got completely untouched by canon this time.But after two weeks of reflection, my story has some subtle and spooky parallels to what happened there.Which only fuels my neurosis about how Toby is beaming thoughts into my mind.
>>4013899>"Berdly if Toby didnt hate him and have him get cucked by the Yuri agenda". Did I get that right?No I'd say that Gizmo is a nerd but not via insecurity or a desire to prove something/get attention like berdly.>Sadie (who is similarish to Noelle)I'd say that they are pretty different. Noelle is Neurotic as fuck with much more neglectful parentage. Sadie is almost shockingly laid back and lackadaisical about things.>and Melody (who is similarish to Susie)I can see this one though.
>>4013899Nah they're distinctive characters though they're both nerds who like games. Berdly is smarmy and tries to prop himself up because of his esteem issues, however he can. Gizmo cares only about gaming, but arcade games specifically, and is a bit more like a kid in that sense. He isn't completely simple, but he is refreshing.He's best friends with Sadie similarly to how Kanako is best friends with Cole, but Sadie is very different from Noelle in a lot of ways. If anything Kanako is slightly more similar to Noelle due to her tendency to freak out, but Sadie is chill and probably has helped Kanako calm down all throughout childhood. We don't know enough about Melody to make a direct comparison to Susie, but they are both bullies.
>>4013898iirc section 4 is a link to the past and it takes place on the part where link goes in to rescue zelda from the guards, so, if we assume that the section 4's boss is the guy who's guarding whoever they captured in this scenario (in section 4, noelle is the one kidnapped while in alttp it's normally zelda), that guy is gonna get shot for kidnapping someone.besides, given how even geno clover is willing to let some people go (such as martlet), then it wouldnt matter if there are "oh yeah, what are you gonna do with this guy huh!?" scenarios, because cole would just let them go.>section 2, oblit. esque route (kanako also kills the girl that knocks (you) out in canon btw)>ness and paula jump in as cole and kanako approach the gray door, right before the battle begins, however...>"W-Wait, we didn't do anything wrong! why are you two attacking us?" kanako says.>"You've killed all of those animals on the way here!" Paula says.>"you mean the weird magic plants and stuff trying to maul us? like, urgh, there were dozens of them, how do you guys live with so many hostile creatures around!?" Kanako>"But they were possessed by giygas! We could've-" paula says, interrumpted.>"Who's giygas?" Cole asks.>"interdimensional being influencing people's minds into becoming evil creatures that attack people and create cults that sacrifice people, who is going to destroy the world in the future and i only know this because a fly from the future told me so?" ness explains.>"...">"W-Well, what about the blue guys!?" Paula says.>"You mean the guys who threw paint onto the river, painted the trees with blue, and literally planned to sacrifice paula?" cole says.>"the first one literally started a fight to the death because i questioned the ethics of their plans!" Kanako adds.>"umm..." Paula says.>"I nearly died because a crazy bitch hit me on the head with a pan!" Cole says.
>>4013905nta but I like some of the ideas with sadie being a bit "too reserved" or calm about things, and while she probably helped Kanako a lot like you said with her freak outs, the thought that maybe sadie could use some help from her friend in a flipsided way is appealing. Like Without Kanako, Sadie could just fall into the background and not really let herself feel anything
>>4013906>"i had to take him to the hospital, i didnt even know if he was gonna survive... so dont blame me for attacking her after she attacked my childhood best friend!" kanako says with tears.>"umm... wow... i-" ness says, rethinking the whole plan.>"what about the sanctuary guardian!?" Paula says.>"You mean the weird bloody mole guy?" Cole says.>"...huh, you've got a point, i didnt grasp how messed up the enemies around are." Paula says.>"screw this, lets just say the mole did it and call it a wrap. Sorry for the inconveniences, the stories we heard made you guys sound more violent than you really were. " Ness says.>ness and paula walk away, letting cole and kanako through
>>4013906>>4013908>section 4>link tries stopping cole and kanako>K: "oh my god. NO. we are not doing this!">link looks confused>K: "you are the hero of this world, right?">link nods>K: "and THAT" kanako points to ganon's corpse "is the guy trying to destroy the world, right?">link nods again>K: "so we did you a favor and there is no reason to fight us, right?">link pauses for a moment>C: "(kanako lets just go before he comes to a decision)">K: "(good idea)"
>>4013899The thing is, Berdly does in fact have game. The problem is the only two women he's swooning over are dykerotted in the brain, as Toby has decreed. Noelle is clearly projecting some weird freudian shit on Susie because she reminds her of her older sister Dess, and Susie is just genuinely dumb and starved for affection that she's just happy that anyone would ever want to be in a relationship with her. Like im pretty sure if Kris wasnt such a mouth-shut pussy and just said how he felt Susie wouldve accepted that confession with as much earnestness. In Susie's mind she just assumes Kris wants to keep things at a friend level so I honestly can't even blame her.
>>4013766As corny as this shit is, I did enjoy asking whoever tf is running that account a few anonymous questions to goad reactions. I still think it's dumb to make a depressed middle aged widow have the views and slang of a modern twitter chud. Chujin was the tech savvy chud of the family that was legitimately racist, Ceroba is probably very tech illiterate and innocent about the nature of the Internet. So yeah they shouldve just made a Chujin Larp Account instead.
>>4013911She's not middle-aged, she's about 30 at the oldest, considering she was a schoolmate of the Feisty Five. She just seems older because of her life experiences.
>>4013911>So yeah they shouldve just made a Chujin Larp Account instead.would probably get a fifth of the engagement sine Ceroba is so popular, though whatever this one was didn't even pop up on my art feeds (which is good honestly, I'd rather not have clutter like that). Also they are 10 times worse than us about responding to shitposts out there holy shit."I'm going to own the chuds by giving them CONSTANT engagement." amazing plan really.
>>4013913Yeah the entire reason all these Right Wing UT/DR larp accounts are popping up on twitter is because years of leftists being snarky and saying "erm how the hell are you a fan and not a leftist? you're so weird!" or "why are you a fan? Toby clearly hates you and your views you illiterate chud. GTFO!" have boiled over. Also it seems, like you said, the leftist majority fandom keep feeding these guys. Like the fandom is incredibly easy to ragebait lol. I can't say the fandom doesnt deserve this, they've genuinely been obnoxious as hell and obsessed with gender/indenity politics in every facet of the game. I think the UT/DR fandom has forgotten how much of a Normie appeal Undertale had and how many of the people who got the game were silent majority straight white dudes who enjoyed the game but were too embarrassed to talk about it. A decent portion of those normies definitely evolved (or depending on your views, devolved) into being way more right wing in the past decade. But because of echochambers and Toby being so nice and pandering towards them (mostly to not get lynched by them) they just assume the franchise is theirs and theirs alone.
>>4013910>The problem is the only two women he's swooning over are dykerotted in the brainnot to mention that the third guy that berdly was willing to choose as a last resort for (kris) wasnt even given the chance to agree to go out with berdly
Hey, librarby anon, if you're around, I have another question for you regarding how you may have envisioned things with that "Polynesian sex" green, or rather for the image I'm making based on it.How much of a size difference do you imagine there being between Wiki and the anon in this context?The image I'm making is from the perspective of the anon himself, so it won't be super apparent straight away, but the size difference between the two may be seen in the size of their hands, or other certain places, and I wanted to know if you had any personal preference for how big Wiki ought to be in comparison to the average anon, mostly because I don't have any terribly strong preferences myself one way or the other.
Hey guys, Martlet Drawanon here!It's been quite a whilewith me working on requests whenever I could.But I'm happy to finally be able to post the finished requests from the list I got.I had a lot of fun working on these ones!So without further ado, here's the images for your viewing.Wiki from Oldentale asking you to take it easy on her.You have several options on how you can proceed.Still getting a feel for her, but I think I have a general idea on how I'd like to draw her.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/sz0d0d.pngDRY Kanako making sure Cole makes it up to her.Cole doesn't have a choice in the matter.Tried drawing with perspective in this image.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/an9zx0.pngNude Martlet on the beach.I got a fair number of requests asking for a nude Martlet, but they were pretty vague.So I drew a nude Martlet in a place I thought was fitting, in this case a beach.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/k4rxx0.pngDRY Cole sandwiched between Kanako and Sadie's breasts.While being asked which side feels better to him.I haven't really drawn many images with several characters in them like this.So this was a nice change of pace and I very much enjoyed drawing it all out.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/trubkt.pngIstill have two or three requests that are wips from the last list I got.However I'm comfortabletakingsome new requests, so feel free to send them my way!
>>4013918As one of the people who was critical of how you drew her last time, this feels a lot better, much more immediately registers as being Wiki.Good job on this one.
>>4013917I'm thinking something like 1.3 times the size of an adult male I think?maybe a bit more. It's hard for me to nail down exactly, but her torso should be able to encompass his torso where he could genuinely lay his face on her or have her lay on her and not be hanging off. Sorry I should probably actually practice finding the words for this for writings sake but it's something I can clearly envision but am having a hard time depicting.Big hands but if you can't lace your fingers between hers then what's the point?
>>4013918Pregnant Luzma or Quetzali pleasethose gals need to become mothers too
>>4013918>that yaranaika soulOk that got me. Good stuff anon.
>>4013918Glad to see you again, and overall great stuff. The trio image with Cole, Sadie, and Kanako is by far my favourite of this batch.
>>4013920Alright, think I've got a decent idea of what you mean.I'm hoping to have the sketch done tonight, since it's hardly the most complicated thing in the world, but I may spend some time making it look a bit more dynamic before moving on to the lineart.
>>4013918You didn't need to go this hard on some of the requests goddamn.
>>4013918As one of the other anons who criticized your last Wiki drawing, I agree that she looks closer to the Wiki we know and loveAlso that pic with Sadie and Kanako is really hot, I think that Martlet pic is your hottest one so far>>4013921Quetzali already has one with her pregnant, Luzma would be nice
>>4013918And I forgot to mention but I really like how your improved your poses, they are much more varied now
>>4013924>Alright, think I've got a decent idea of what you mean.either way I look forward to it, it's cool that something I wrote has stuck in your mind for you to draw like that.
>>4013918First of, all hot stuff, you blew it out of the park, especially with that Martlet pic.As for my request Pacifist Clover meets Bird Clover, or Zenith Bird Clover.
>>4013928>either way I look forward to itThank you, I hope to complete it soon enough.>it's cool that something I wrote has stuck in your mind for you to draw like that.Of course, it was a pretty good green, definitely catered to some of my tastes.I also still want to draw something based on that Ceroba/Anon Valentine's day green, but I find linear time to still be an issue. I think I need to fix my sleep schedule again, get more hours out of the day, never enough time.
>>4013918Clover pov before he's unbirthed by Martlet or Zenith Martlet.
>>4013931>spoilersone day I would absolutely love to see that, but I get it, though I've felt productivity has been low for me since I've been waking up early to deal with work. I find the actual ideas seem to hit me around 3 am but that's probably because distractions have all fallen asleep.here's to hoping you get the rest and energy you need either way.
>>4013918You've really improved a lot from the last requests, and it's cool to see you trying out new poses and perspectives.This is probably in my opinion the best Martlet you've drawn so far.
>>4013916It's kinda funny how it seems Toby hates Yaoifags and barely panders to them, especially in Ch 5. The long standing Nicepants crackship since 2015 has been shot dead in the water (good). Kris x Berdly (which is just Yaoi with extra steps) is actively being sabatouged, so people who have conceded on Suselle can't even have their consolation prize of getting hitched with Berdly. And the only actually gayship we have is between a retarded cowboy and fruity ass black man in a dress, which people are pretending to love for the woke points even if most yaoifags would never touch a black dude with a 20 ft pole. On that note, is there any UT/DR fangame or whatever that has ever done a Gay relationship between two dudes decently? I'm legitimately curious.
>>4013933Yeah, I'm gonna see if I can do something about my speed after this, do some experiments.I did that one Racter image recently in just a few hours, with barely any real plan going into it, so if I can just figure out how to work like that for my more serious images, while retaining some decent quality, I think I'd be satisfied for a bit.I have ideas, I can see them so clearly in my head, I just need to go faster.
>>4013935Don't forget now "hints" that Ralsei might be trans, thus taking away one of the few gay "icons" the game has.>On that note, is there any UT/DR fangame or whatever that has ever done a Gay relationship between two dudes decently? I'm legitimately curious.I think one of the ones from Gamejolt had something but I don't recall which it was, I also remember some anon commented on making something like that once.
>>4013937>Yeah, I'm gonna see if I can do something about my speed after this, do some experiments.honestly that's probably the best way to get better at drawing. I mean it's effectively just a different kind of drawing study right? >so if I can just figure out how to work like that for my more serious images, while retaining some decent quality, I think I'd be satisfied for a bit.I imagine that will come with the more often you do said studies and stuff, you already come across as faster than what I remember when i first came to these threads. though luzma still seems to be your muse with how quick her images come to life.
>>4013935>On that note, is there any UT/DR fangame or whatever that has ever done a Gay relationship between two dudes decently?I have no idea, there was one (purple soul I think?) fangame that had a gay relationship between a crow monster and a cat(?) monster and that was it, but that game is dead/in development hell as far as I can recall.If the fandom can't produce such a pairing, then one of the fangames here might have to step up and fulfill that role
>>4013940>Don't forget now "hints" that Ralsei might be transI really do think this is a case of everyone looking too far for something they want to happen (one way or the other)
>>4013918There's an anon who's written a story with a character named Valrayn, which is Zenith Martlet but she's in the pacifist timeline.I'd like to request you draw her in a solo image, it can be nsfw or sfw. Better yet you can draw her interacting with bird Clover and seeing her reaction to learning the kind of connection she has with Clover in that world.
>>4013940>Don't forget now "hints" that Ralsei might be trans, thus taking away one of the few gay "icons" the game has.NTA, but I hate that so fucking much its unreal, I remember joking that Ralsus could be canon if they made Ralsei turn trans, thus circumventing Toby's yuri fetish, and now that seems like a real possibility.I also joked about Toby making the blue flower a black man in a tutu, I should stop with these jokes.
>>4013918Pregnant Kanako. I'm kind of surprised you haven't drawn her pregnant yet.
>>4013940I really hate how monkey's paw-y Toby is sometimes. Like I remember watching that one foid's video that spearheaded the entire "trans ralsei" theory idea back during the CH 3 + 4 release and was rolling my eyes the entire time. "Ha what a stupid and fringe theory meant to pander to her troon xisters" I thought, and now they much more fuel and their shitty ass theories are becoming mainstream. For the record the "Ralsei is Trans" evidence is still pretty flimsy but it has more going for it than the straw grasping of the CH 3 + 4 era. Pink and light blue will forever by tained by retardation. Let's not forget pink and light blue are Kris's darkworld colors. If anything Ralsei's fondness for those colors are more a tell of how much of a Kris simp he is desu. Flowery's "dont you like serving humans" line also implies that Ralsei is kind of slave-ishly dedicated to Kris.
>>4013943>I really do think this is a case of everyone looking too far for something they want to happen (one way or the other)As an anon who doesn't try to look too hard into things, there's a few worrying hints through the game, like one of Ralsei's inventory statuses referring to him as "they" or Ralsei wearing a dress, among other things that I can't remember right now.
>>4013941>honestly that's probably the best way to get better at drawing. I mean it's effectively just a different kind of drawing study right? Yes, likely, though more of a general kind than a specific study, which is annoying, as I'd wanted to do more specific kinds of studied before too long, but everything keeps getting pushed back.Form, detail, lighting, dynamics, and speed. I must improve these. I feel myself growing stagnant again.>you already come across as faster than what I remember when i first came to these threads.Perhaps, but I still feel as though I progress too slowly. Far too long spent on the sketching phase, and for things that still look too stiff.>spoilerYes, mostly because she's fairly easy to draw. If I am to accelerate my development, I must take on more difficult subjects, force myself to understand more complete forms.Hm.You can ignore most of this, just rambling, thinking where I can see it.
Hello folks, I am a complete ingrate and to lazy to use the archives. Can someone please give be a decent summary of Oldentale and what exactly it's whole deal is? I've been absolutely smitten by Wiki for the past few months but barely know anything the setting she's from. When did Oldentale even start getting talked about and become reoccurring thing on the video game threads?
>>4013949>Far too long spent on the sketching phase, and for things that still look too stiff.what are those things where you draw the line of movement and try to capture just the sense of movement as quick as you can? I'm vaguely familiar but not enough so to name it.>If I am to accelerate my development, I must take on more difficult subjects, force myself to understand more complete forms.that makes sense, it's a good sign that you're thinking of it like that probably.>You can ignore most of this, just rambling, thinking where I can see it.you're good, I'm too worn out to do anything productive so it's thread until bed.
>>4013950It's a UT fangame set before the human/monster war, being developed by an anon here.Its setting features a lot of medieval-fantasy and steampunk elements, but I don't think I'm equipped to describe it accurately, so hopefully Oldentale anon himself will see your post and respond.
>>4013950>When did Oldentale even start getting talked about and become reoccurring thing on the video game threads?When Oldentale anon showed up around August of 2024, Oldentale is pretty much KOTOR for Undertale, the game takes place during the human-monster war and you play as Racter, a regular monster that has gotten the soul of a human.
How would you feel about a fangame requiring multiple playthroughs to achieve the best ending?UT does require you to beat Omega Flowey once before doing the full pacifist run, but you can work out how to do both with a single run by going back to before you fight Asgore.But what if you had to play. let's say, 2 different routes before getting the best one?
>>4013954I think it would depend on how many difference there are between the routes, UTY is pretty short, yet getting all the routes still felt a bit tedious because of how little differences there are between Neutral and Pacifist, most of those differences becoming apparent on the steamworks
>>4013954I feel most "regular players" would check out after getting a single ending, but dedicated players would remain, which is the main audience that plays fangames anywayit depends of how it is executed, something like DR has a chapter select so you can jump back and redo parts, even UT itself just dropped you back on the last neutral save if you were on pacifist track so you didn't need to restart the run, just backtrack a bitUTY is kinda annoying because most of the game doesn't change between neutral and pacifist, so it can be boring to replay itI plan to do something like that in my game where you will need to explore well to get the best ending
>>4013951>what are those things where you draw the line of movement and try to capture just the sense of movement as quick as you can? I'm vaguely familiar but not enough so to name it.I typically call them "motion lines", though I do believe they have a more specific name.In any event, that's not precisely what I'm talking about, it's something else, more inherent. I can see it, but I don't know if anyone else can, there's something so *static* about them, the forms I draw.Like they aren't bodies, things of flesh that have a certain smoothness and roughness to them, there's something *wrong* about how I do it, so assembled and lifeless.Need to isolate it, figure out how to circumvent it.>that makes sense, it's a good sign that you're thinking of it like that probably.Yes, I like to try and make sure I'm not just drawing the same things over and over again, so I don't stagnate. I've been slacking in that regard lately however, need to do something about that.>you're good, I'm too worn out to do anything productive so it's thread until bed.Understandable, just don't want to come off a certain way.
>>4013940>I also remember some anon commented on making something like that once.I remember one anon saying he had an idea for a deltarune fangame that featured a zombie girl and a cat boy as the main love interests, I think he only did some sprites? he himself said he wasn't really going to make a fangame with those ideas.It does make me wonder, what do you guys think of a fangame with multiple romance options for the player character?
>>4013955>>4013957I've been thinking about deja-vus being a golden ending requirement, but I guess I might limit it to only 2 routes in total
>>4013952>>4013953How concrete or established is the world building? I mean Undertale was very vague with what was even going on in that era of history. I always headcanoned that the Monsters were neighbors to a singular human civilization that went from their nominal allies to enemies due to the fear mongering of Soul absorption (and other incidents). The idea that ALL of humanity fought in a war against monsters during a such a primitive era always seemed absurd to me. More likely the war was actually quite small and local, but because monsters are a tad dumb they assume that singular human nation represented ALL of the human race. I'd like to think a few decades after the War the human nation that fought the monsters would gloat about their triumphs to other human nations and those other nations would be like "yeah right, nice story guys". And centuries later historians would label the human monster war as either some form of founding myth or an exaggerated account were the enemy nation was dehumanized and exaggerated as being inhuman creatures.
>>4013957>I plan to do something like that in my game where you will need to explore well to get the best endingfor mine, I had this idea of the true final boss of the genocide route only becoming available if you finished the pacifist route at least once
>>4013959>fangame with multiple romance options for the player character?Sounds very self indulgent, but if you want it go ahead and have fun, don't hold back.
>>4013962>How concrete or established is the world building? Established enough to have lots of arguments about it, at least.He's actually written a few stories within his setting by now, which you can find in the fanfic archive used for these threads.For as much as I've spoken with him about his ideas and setting, I don't believe I'm a good fit to explain it to you, because I don't want to misrepresent anything about it, so I'll leave further elaboration to him, if he sees your posts.
>>4013965Well then, Oldentale anon, whever you pop up i'd appreciate it if you could indulge my curiosity.
>>4013962>How concrete or established is the world building?Seems pretty concrete with some of the stuff he has shown, the monsters apparently have renaissance level technology among a few more advanced things powered by magic.The humans in Oldentale are a bit vague on purpose, from what I've seen originally they were all on the stone age, but now they are closer to the bronze age and it seems like they only represent one fraction of mankind.>centuries later historians would label the human monster war as either some form of founding myth or an exaggerated account were the enemy nation was dehumanized and exaggerated as being inhuman creatures.The Naranja approach.
>>4013958>In any event, that's not precisely what I'm talking aboutsorry it's more that those things, I read way back when I was interested in learning that first time myself, that practicing those helped with the exact thing you described afterwards. But it's just a thought from a layman so bear in mind I don't know jack.I do think there was a good sense of the bodies in the ceroba being eaten out image, and I think the chair being tipped back slightly helped with that.
>>4013916I think its pretty clear at this point that while Kris is fine with being friends with Berdly, he would rather piss glass than date him.
>>4013968>But it's just a thought from a layman so bear in mind I don't know jack.It's okay, I appreciate the advice.In all fairness, I don't think I could even properly describe what it is I see, or what I'm trying to attain, so perhaps this is something that only exists in my head. A kind of "super-implied motion", without even utilizing those little motion lines, relying only on the form of the body itself to convey a sense of life and motion.I must learn more, analyze more.>I do think there was a good sense of the bodies in the ceroba being eaten out image, and I think the chair being tipped back slightly helped with that.Oh, thank you. I think I probably could've leaned a little more into it, but that might've changed the tone a bit more than I had wanted to.
>>4013954The problem with that as a concept is that technically, every route but Pacifist in Undertale (and we can talk about Deltarune maybe) is just the easy/easier mode.You run into the Sonic Heroes problem where it legitimately just sucks ass to have to play all three difficulty settings as different "Story" modes.Admittedly I know most people watch that stuff, or only do it because they hope someone will think they're really cool online, but from an actual game design perspective it sucks ass.I think even Toby realizes this which is why (even beyond the thematic reasons it's doing this) the weird route is entirely skipping chapter 6 and even in the playable chapters it's available in, doesn't task you with annoying tasks in the middle of the ENTIRE game to not get bumped out of the route you're on and lets you skip segments of chapters.Yeah, most people are going to do the weird route on their second playthrough.And those people PROBABLY aren't going to want to grind out the entire game over and over, even without the assumption they're coming from Undertale and probably done the way more obnoxious grind for the evil route in that game.Really the problem with that is to make it not suck, you practically have to make entire separate games and that's a shitload of work.And even then you can end up with something obnoxious like KH:BBS's last story requirement
>>4013969>he would rather piss glass than date him.So why did Kris blush and look away when asked why they had one of Berdly's feathers?
>>4013967>Seems pretty concrete with some of the stuff he has shown, the monsters apparently have renaissance level technology among a few more advanced things powered by magic.>The humans in Oldentale are a bit vague on purpose, from what I've seen originally they were all on the stone age, but now they are closer to the bronze age and it seems like they only represent one fraction of mankind.I've always liked that idea as well. But more like the Monster Kingdom was a sophisticated high fantasy medieval nation that was able to become like that thanks to magic. Meanwhile most humans at the time would probably be around "Semi-Tribal Iron Age Europeans" level of tech Like the Germanic, Slavic, and Celtic Tribes right before the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. Maybe after that one human nation defeated and banished the monsters they did what the germans did with conquered roman lands, which is settle in conquered cities, adopt customs, and adopt technology of the conquered land. Though it might've been way harder because unlike the germans cooperationg and working with the romans they conquered, there are no monsters for the humans to cooperate with given they're all banished.
>>4013918Eh, how bout something non-lewd. plushies of the DRY1 crew
>>4013954>How would you feel about a fangame requiring multiple playthroughs to achieve the best ending?while the phrase "best ending" is a bit rough here, Nier had something like this, but Nier is one of those games where you could argue the experience wasn't designed to be "enjoyable" at times.
>>4013971You're already forced to slog through chapter 3 and 4 on weird route since those have almost no changes there and don't even let you skip some segments>And even then you can end up with something obnoxious like KH:BBS's last story requirementContext? Never played that game
>>4013974ah, seconding this. Love the little plushie images of kanako and clover that are out there somewhere.
>>4013971>every route but Pacifist in Undertale (and we can talk about Deltarune maybe) is just the easy/easier mode.Genocide has the only hard bosses in Undertale, I agree that the rest of the route is easy, but that's kinda the point of it
>>4013976>Context? Never played that gameThey split the game over three playthroughs with parts of the in game areas cut off for each of the playable characters and the "Final" story is unlocked by completing the story for each AND Collecting the Xehanort Reports which are both given to you as you progress through each story and hidden quasi-randomly in chests throughout the game and I believe one requires you to play pretty deep into the multiplayer minigame and then in the remake you unlock the FINAL Final story you have to do ALL of that, and depending on your difficulty setting you will have to Get EVERY keyblade as every character (meaning you have to beat all the extra super bosses), have 33,333 money as (thankfully) at least only one character, and take 99,999 steps as one character.It's not as bad as say, if literally you had to play the EXACT same game like 3 times, and some of the requirements can be skipped by playing a higher difficulty setting, but barely anyone has actually played the Last/True Last story modes for KH:BBS because there is just so fucking much you have to do to just play it.
>>4013980Comparatively speaking, I do think that the requirements for the "good" ending for Deltarune at least based on my assumptions, are fairly lenient.
>>4013935to be fair, i felt like the nicepants break up was a nice subversion of expectations that showed that the light world is supposed to be like the real world and not like your average yaoi fanfic, so of course pizzapants wouldnt be happy over being catfished, the other shit like susie cockblocking us everytime something is pushed (such as her interrumpting you after you say "my happy ending is with you" to ralsei, or her jumping in to ruin our date with mad mew mew, or her not letting you run off with berdly in the festival) while she takes the first chance she can get to run off with noelle to the lake (in the normal route, susie deliberately chooses to go to the lake with noelle and then walk away after the long suselle scene without waking kris up, and in the weird route she literally tells you she hung out with noelle earlier even through she could've tried to go in to wake kris up instead), its such a weird thing, considering all the kralsei bait in previous chapters (such as susie suggesting that kris and ralsei should be in the lovers stand and take the photo on board 2), why did she feel the need to speedrun getting into a relationship while cockblocking everybody else after seeing the final tragedy in the prophecy? so weird...>>4013940flowery was teasing ralsei (also he stops calling ralsei a princess once ralsei stops being so tsundereish) and he calls everyone princesses including kris, and unless they wanna misgender kris, it's basically irrelevant. also the pink dress ralsei scene they love to quote is more like genderfluid ralsei evidence than transei evidence if anything.
>>4013959>what do you guys think of a fangame with multiple romance options for the player character?like fire emblem? i'd be down for it, ngl
>>4013984>>4013935For pizzapants I am still worried if you do nice cream guy path because the cat says "the truth hurts but will pay off later" or something, which means they will likely get together in future chapters if you go this route, I wouldn't put it past toby.
>>4013986eh, at worst i can see toby making it so that you have to say the "right" dialogue choices in order to get burgerpants to forgive the nice cream guy or something, i cant see him backtracking from that interaction unless toby gets so brainrotted that he just makes them get together anyways even if it makes no sense
>>4013964>Sounds very self indulgent, but if you want it go ahead and have fun, don't hold back.I don't see it as that self indulgent, if you don't see the main character as a self insert, like if Deltarune had actual romance choices between Susie and Noelle.>>4013985>like fire emblem? i'd be down for it, nglI was thinking more like what that other anon proposed of there only being two.Personally I think the main problem of having romance choices is that they could easily feel like there's a favorite, if one of the choices gets more development that the other, besides making a single good romance is already difficult, justifying the existence of two or more would be an even harder task.
>DeltaGOLD artist redesigned their six souls to better resemble Deltarune Chapter 5We're going to see this a lot
Hey, whoever knows how to mess with tags on esix, can someone edit the "quetzali" tag to "quetzali_(undertale_naranja)"?The tag just lists her name as it is now, and that's kinda weird.
>>4013988>unless toby gets so brainrotted that he just makes them get together anyways even if it makes no senseI honestly wouldn't put it past current Toby, the only thing that makes me doubt it is that this isn't yuri, but if both characters were a girls it would be guaranteed that they would get together
>>4013991it will be a trend for a while but I do think it will wear off. it's inherrently less exciting to just "invent" the same design over and over again that everyone else feels obligated to do.
>>4013991how long until some of the still active soul fangames do the same?
>>4013991Is this the scat guy?>The integrity is named ValCould you imagine if this Val became more popular than UTN's Val?
>>4013995You're vastly overestimating this fandom's creativity, skeletonslop exists for a reason>>4013996I feel like the Futility guy would use this as an excuse to redesign his purple human again, if the game still was in development.
>>4013997>Is this the scat guy?How come I have to watch you guys talk about every fetish under the fucking sun but when I try to post an artist who doesn't post ANY fetish stuff on their main account you have to fucking walk up and say "you know that guy drew some scat on a different account right?" Fuck off, I am sick of the double standard and I don't care what gets posted in places I don't have to see
>>4013991Honestly the only positives of the Ch 5 flower humans is that I do like the idea of Bravery being a super short bratty tomboy that's actually a crybaby and Preserverance being a super nerdy foid. (yes yes I know the flowers do not equate to actual fallen children in undertale but im just saying shit)
>>4013999>skeletonslop exists for a reason'skeletonslop' will seem like artistic splendor to these people in comparison. At least these skeletons are allowed to be any given design people want. The artists crave the freedom sauce, they'll get tired of their latest trinket soon enough.
>>4014000It was meant to be a joke, besides, once you notice the smell, it becomes much harder to ignore
Honestly it's really weird how many people were depicting Integrity as a black ballerina YEARS before Deltarune Chapter 5, like i've seen so many instances of it. Honestly the only thing they got wrong was the gender. Like, what makes people associate Ballet with Black People anyhow???I always felt like if any one of them had to be the token black kid it would be Kindness (ironic I know).
>>4013992you need to make a suggestion to an admin if you want to change the name of a tag, it would be easier to make a new tag and replace the current one with the new one on the posts that use it
>>4013918Dina unbirthing Clover.....
>>4014011Dina pregnant with 100 Clovers
>>4014014This but Quetzali pregnant with 100 eggs
>>4013918Quetzali unbirthing Val while regular voring Riley
>>4013918All of these are so hot. There are many little details that stand out. Wiki's fluffiness, Kanako's smugness, and Martlet's cute little tail all add a lot to the appeal.>>4013955For me, it's the fact that neutral doesn't have any varying endings, so there's little point to experiment. Original Undertale had the phone calls which were intended to show how you made a difference, and contribute to the metanarrative of completionism.>>4013962This is exactly the setting of Gargoyles.>>4013974This would be cool.
>>4014004here are some of the ways i could prob explain this:>the fandom wanted to draw one of the humans as black and they generally picked the blue one>artists didnt like how their drawings of the blue soul wearing blue clothes looked so they made her black and it seemed to look better>some popular fanthing did black integrity so everyone else copied it>i guess black people doing ballet was rare and they wanted to be inclusive?>headcanon stuff>i guess they wanted some contrast between the pink tutu and the skin?>maybe some of the "blue soul killed monsters lol" believers made integrity black as a joke and it just spread like wildfire (and not the orange soul type of it)>probably early fandom kids thinking that a black ballerina would look cuteor something else maybe>>4014004>black kindnessehh, i think that UTG Cody is what prevented the rise of black kindness soul among the early fandom which meant you wouldn't see black green soul often aside from some randomwho fangames that get cancelled or stop posting updates after a 3 minutes long demo uploaded over a decade or so ago, since he and clover are white and all, this is also why you'll never see a black justice soul human design nowadays btw.I love how versatile the orange soul human is, through! i've seen him be white, yellow, black, tanned, tall, short, skinny, chubby, etc., like holy shit did he get the whole buffet of varied human designs.
>>4013855Sorry man, didn't mean to blow your cover. The reply style was just really familiar as I've done that back and forth with you a lot.>>4013854>>4013868Thanks, anons!
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1R63hcqMc2fJ_ZAZJlzcgtsxVavObJmS-Does it have potential?
>>4014038No, and it's been talked about to death already.
>>4013954Armored Core 6 did that
>>4014039I stick to /vg/ and /trash/ so I probably missed out on the first post(s) but I find the characters likable
>>4014041>>4014038They're just discount versions of the DR cast.Why even make that and not use the actual characters like snoot game did if the plot is literally a copy of DR's?Might as well go the extra mile and make an original setting even if still in DR world, like DRY or DR: Broken Destiny.
>>4014040NTA, but AC6 didn't really do it too well in my opinion.The new missions and content in AC6's NG+ are fairly minor, and really only start becoming more noteworthy towards the end of the game, which is technically also true for UT's pacifist route, but it's still a little underwhelming compared to how the idea could be executed.Something like Nier: Automata is maybe a better example, since the NG+ playthroughs after the first ending are actually their own distinct stories and ways of playing the game.
>>4014038Said all I had to say in the previous thread but to reiterate, the characters don't look bad in their own right but they don't resemble Deltarune characters at all and come across more as standard anthros than "monsters," which is fine for some of them (or even maybe all the main four monsters there) if they had more out-there designs supporting them, but the supporting cast for the most part also doesn't feel very monster-y. I think the problem lies in making all of the characters "attractive" when quite a few monsters in UT/DR are ugly goofballs; it feels like another Snoot Game, and if that's what you want to make then go for it, I want any 4chan project to succeed, but it makes the vibes very different.
>>4014048That last sentence might be too ambiguous so just to clarify: I get that this wants to be to Deltarune what Snoot Game is to Goodbye Volcano High, but my feedback is that the aesthetics look too much like GBVH/Snoot Game and drift too far from Deltarune. Both GBVH and Snoot Game are about dinosaur furries and there wasn't a massive shift in design principles, but these designs do have a massive shift from Deltarune's design principles.
>>4013918Superb stuff anon, very well done.I'm going to ask for an Anon experiencing death by snu snu because of Zenith Martlet.
>>4013918You improved a lot since your last drawing, these are all hot>>4013921Thirding this
>>4013918Could you do something similar to this image drawn by another drawanon with Zartlet standing over Clover before she unbirths him.https://files.catbox.moe/qdk6px.jpg
>>4013918You've been working on your drawing skills from the last time, I love all of these, especially the one with Sadie.>>4013946I'm seconding this, a pregnant Kanako from you would look awesome.
God, drawing characters dead-on is just miserable, half a mind to just throw this all out and start again.I'm going to bed, goodnight everyone.
>>4014116looks pretty cute if you ask me
>>4013918Pregnant Wiki please, I beg of you.
>>4014050It also begs the question, if it's not SURVEY2, does DR need a Snoot Game analogue? GVH had well-designed characters but everyone knew it was going to bad, and it also took forever to release. There are legitimate criticisms for DR but it's not as unquestionably bad as GVH, and it also has a steady release schedule now. Like other anons said, I would have put this in its own DR-related setting rather than try to redo the main game.>>4014107Would she have to awkwardly explain it to her parents?>>4014116It's a tough perspective artistically because there's danger of it looking too "flat" and also the perspective itself is rather unnerving. Someone directly facing you is putting full attention on you and feels addressed to the viewer. For the former problem, maybe just have some objects to the side that are at an angle?
>>4014116Wiki if she absorbed Racter's soul
Is this the case for any monsters?
>>4014140The one and only
>>4014123>Would she have to awkwardly explain it to her parents?Considering what happened between Kanako and Cole in the previous images, she was all for it.I doubt it would be awkward for her to explain that Cole knocked her up. The real question is how Chujin would react.
>>4014144>The real question is how Chujin would react.nta but he'd act fine in front of kanako then start yelling and kicking the stuff around him in rage once he thinks she's gone
>>4014149Post chapter 2 would probably be fine with it
>>4013918It would be nice to see a bird family photo with bird Clover and Martlet, as well as one with Zenith Martlet and Zenith bird Clover.
>>4014149He might bust out the Arisaka for this one.>>4014150There's a difference between "You're not as bad as the other humans; I can trust you around my daughter until you leave in a few days" and "You knocked up my only daughter and she's going to be a single mother of a ningenmutt with an absent father." I don't think anyone in this thread is a father, but it's easy to empathize with his protective inclination.>>4014153This
>>4013901Go to @Themakethman on Twitter > then click Media. It’s kind of at the top
>>4013912>30 at oldest>SchoolmateCeroba isn’t a schoolmate of the feisty five, and it’s hotter if she’s 30+
>>4013914>silent majority straight dudesAnon, Undertale’s fandom originated from Tumblr. And the dudes in the fandom were furries. Why do you think Sans was the most popular character?I’m starting to think some of these LARP accounts also post here to get validation because I think you have to be a genuine fag to identify as a based anti porn Christian trad something then call yourself “HMOFA guardian”. If it’s supposed to be 100% pretend, then it just sounds like picrel
>>4013918draw Chujin giving CBT to Starlo
>>4014038Just make a visual novel where Dirk gets to fuck the girls, and also not!Berdly. But not in a gay way, it's about power dynamics and shit.
>>4014165>and also not!Berdly. But not in a gay way, it's about power dynamics and shit.This, but make it gay afterwards with some wholesome aftercare scenes where they realize they do love each other
>>4013918Draw Martlet anally voreing Ceroba and orally voreing Starlo at the same time
>>4014157I don't want to rain on your headcanon, anon, but there's a picture of Ceroba and Starlo at around the same age as kids. Blackjack describes the Feisty Five as former schoolmates. Dina won't let Mooch buy hard drinks because she's too young, and even if she goes by retarded American rules Mooch is 20 at the oldest.Don't let this stop you from having a headcanon of Ceroba as a MILF or "hag" because UTY itself didn't let such details keep it from having an interesting headcanon. Also the team wrote themselves in this corner by having her be a grieving widow/mother but also close in age to a bunch of 20-somethings. You can make it work by thinking of Ceroba as getting hitched right after graduation and Kanako being a couple years younger than Clover, but it's too much trouble to bother worrying about.>>4014162>And the dudes in the fandom were furries. Why do you think Sans was the most popular character?>claims the fandom is made of furries>cites a distinctly non-furry characterAnon....
I had a dream I was playing deltarune controlling Kris as a kid wearing a horn headband and Asgore was scrubbing the kitchen floor
>>4014169Feels like my wording was off, I meant moreso that the dudes in the fandom were probably mostly not straight. Even now, I wouldn’t say that’s the case. The only UT place with majority straight dudes is either on Reddit or hereAs for Sans, you could also say there were a lot of women into UT because of him and how he was everywhere
>>4014173Dess...
>>4014169>Dina won't let Mooch buy hard drinks because she's too youngI don’t remember this being the reason in game she couldn’t drink, and I thought it was kept ambiguous. It really could have just been she was wild when drinking. However, I swore a dev did say Mooch was not old enough to drink or was a minor. This actually could be directly contradicted in game cause Moray’s parents said they married each other around age 27. So, the FF + Staroba should be at the very least in their late 20’s. If Mooch was HS friends with Starlo, there is no way she should be in her early 20sAnd do keep in mind, I disagree that they’re even in their late 20s. I was the one to mention that I saw a UTY dev (a literal who like most UTY devs) tell a fan that she saw Starlo as being in his late 20s. I’m going to choose to ignore this, and I can’t even understand how devs can’t even get the simplest details about their characters down in a consistent manner. This is something they should have established before releasing the game
>>4014169And yet Mooch is old enough to take pipe from Starlo.
Would Kanako be a fan of Hotline Miami?
>>4014181She is, squirrels love small nuts after all
>>4014174Depends on what you mean by "dudes in the fandom." Are you talking about anyone who liked the game? Those who went on forums to talk about it? Content creators who talked heavily about it? Even in the latter case, while MatPat sounds gay I don't know if he actually is gay. Joel is a huge Undertale fan and catapulted its success and he's straight as an arrow, I think.Also keep in mind that culture changes as well. When Undertale came out in 2015, Tumblr and the associated mental illness was bursting into the mainstream and this continued for several years even after the death of Tumblr. This is when such types were actively gatekeeping fandoms, creating the impression that they were the majority when in reality they made it impossible for anyone else to be heard.Even for furries themselves, the subculture started as an anthro character appreciation community established by a couple of libertarian guys named Mark Merlino and Rod O'Riley. It was an outgrowth of cartoons and science fiction to show off creations and interest, basically to make anthro characters for cool stories. Sure, there's evidence of sexual deviance springing up not long afterwards, as there always is, but it wasn't until late into the 2000's that furries became fully associated with extreme degeneracy. Since then furries have tried to tie being furry in with being LGBT, which if anything has made the LGBT community look even worse. It's not just with UT/DR but in fiction as a whole that HMOFA sprang up as a counter to this and has seen a colossal resurgence among people who were formerly silent. "I am straight, I am not into your weird sexual fetishes, I like hot anthro girls and that's OK.">>4014180It really is a miracle that the story ended up as coherent as it did without a bible or other sort of fact sheet for the characters. Many indie devs/artists use one, whether it's published or not.>>4014181That's also true under the aforementioned retarded American laws.
>>4014184And yet that every same bible is responsible for those retarted American laws you hate.Don't worry, teen pregnant Mooch will give her kids FAS.
>>4014186Anon a lore bible isn't the same thing at all.
>>4014188And they they are both Bibles.Curious.
>>4014184>It really is a miracle that the story ended up as coherent as it did without a bible or other sort of fact sheet for the characters. Many indie devs/artists use one, whether it's published or not.If you're working alone I don't think a bible is really necessary, your own notes should be enough, but yeah, in a project with multiple writers they should have some document with all the facts of the lore they agree on, otherwise we end with things like that one UTY dev saying that Axis blew Integrity's head off as fact, then immediately getting corrected by the other devs.
>>4014184>but it wasn't until late into the 2000's that furries became fully associated with extreme degeneracy.this is not true. the CSI episode that made "furry degeneracy" known to normalfags was in 2003. They were already on their shit well before then, and it just wasn't in common knowledge as much.>>4014189Anon what are you doing.
>>4014180>>4014184as usual the UTY devs just didn't think things throughwhen I played I thought mooch was like 17 or so, not really an "adult" but not too young eitherthough that still doesn't make sense why she would be in high school with the rest of the gang when I thought they were late 20s/early 30sit is a mess and you're better off just ignoring it and use what makes more sense for you, as are most things with UTY after the stream showed the devs were just winging it all along
>>4014191CSI and SVU are wild shows. I wonder what the propoganda machine had against furries in 2003?
>>4014192>when I played I thought mooch was like 17 or so, not really an "adult" but not too young eitherSame, and the FF really don’t feel like HS friends. Besides Mooch, Ed seemed a lot older than the rest, and Ace was too stand offish. Only Moray made any sense as Starlo’s HS friend in a way
>>4014193>I wonder what the propoganda machine had against furries in 2003?it was just the latest thing that actual boomers got keyed in on, but like I said it was already in full swing by that point.Those edgy "jack" comics started in 2001.Furries got their reputation on the early internet for a lack of self control in shared spaces, and for the horrors that people found in the ancient cave forums.If anything, somehow furries have a better reputation now than they did then despite those types still existing.
>>4013918Zenith Martlet game over gif with Clover's soul in her womb after she unbirths him, and Flowey giving his funny commentary like you did with these other ones.https://files.catbox.moe/poozy3.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/bj1pg1.mp4
>>4013757Recently, Eggfricker52 has been getting ideas of an Onion route where (YOU) are able to save Onionsan in previous chapters and have her become a party member in chapter 5. He has already told (YOU) one moment. In one of the climbing scenes at the last stretch, if (YOU) do the final section at the fastest speed by a few blocks, (YOU) will accidentally bump yourself into Onionsan’s belly. Onionsan in the dark world will be a fat woman.
>>4014206However there is a twist? How can Onionsan go into a dark world?
>>4014038Not really. The characters are so different that it may as well be a new thing entirely and the team is already having awkward disagreements over shit like not being able to fug the sheep due to it being pseudo-incest.It seems like an attempt to do a spite game ala Snoot Game but it doesn't really seem to be working since Deltarune isn't as comically easy to upstage as Volcano High. Unless they add in a dark world equivalent and some real gameplay it will probably just be a generic furry VN but you play as a douchier green Kris.
>>4014218>pseudo-incestCowards, they give you two femboys and yet they do not allow you to stick your dick in them?Cowards.
>>4014156Wow, despite a few weird drawings, this person is an excellent Ceroba artist
>>4014182I don't see Kanako playing violent video games. Also, while she might not be the most sheltered, I doubt her parents would let her have it. Now, a fast-paced action game where you wipe out whole buildings of vicious gangsters? That would be Cole's jam.>>4014191It's been going on far longer than that. This blew my mind when I first watched this live: https://youtu.be/bYSSnI5LMPY
>>4014228>It's been going on far longer than that.that's what I'm saying though. "they were already on their shit well before then." But an entire generation of not online people were made aware at that point since that was before "everyone" was online.>Now, a fast-paced action game where you wipe out whole buildings of vicious gangsters? That would be Cole's jam.nta but cole would love max payne I bet.
I can't find it anymore, but I saw someone post a screenshot from the light world segment of chapter 5 where Noelle says she was thinking of learning piano after Susie talks about wanting to learn with Kris or something, and the dialogue was written in the most obvious shoe-horned way possible, making her look like a clear invader into something that was just Kris and Susie's thing.Now, I didn't see that dialogue in-game for myself, mostly because I sped through the part where you had to have Noelle along with you, but if that's real, I feel like that may be a decent indication that the bits in chapter 5 with Noelle and Susie were *supposed* to feel awful and intrusive, because there is no fucking way Toby Fox of all people would be writing shit like that, especially since he himself can barely even play piano anymore now that his hands are all fucked up, so I get the feeling like that was all meant to be uncomfortable for the player, to make us feel as isolated as Kris does.Or Toby's just a worse writer than anyone on earth thought possible, that could also be the case, but you know, hope and all that.
>>4014221>they give you two femboys and yet they do not allow you to stick your dick in them?>Cowards.They don't let you fuck not!Berdly either? what a disgrace
>>4014232Toby's IQ drops whenever he has to write romance between two women
>>4014232* Susie: Psst, Noelle... maybe you don't know, but...* Kris is... kinda awesome at piano.* Noelle: O... oh, really? Is that so...?* Susie: ... you should hear them play sometime.* Noelle: Sure, only if... they want to.* So Kris... played for you?* Nah, it was for, like... uh...* Susie: ... I guess I was just, listening.* ... yeah.* They even said... they'd show me how to...* Noelle: You KNOW, I was thinking of learning piano, TOO!* Susie: Really? Awesome, we could all play together!* Noelle: (Sigh...)
>>4014235Okay, yes, but I think the piano thing in particular, if it's real, could be a sign that this is actually meant to feel super forced and uncomfortable, since that feels like something Toby would be super aware of when it comes to himself in particular, and if that's the case, then that could mean Suselle isn't actually being pushed legitimately, and is instead being set up as something you're meant to not like.
>>4014238Yeah, that's about what I saw, and I feel like there's no way we're supposed to think this is a good thing, especially with how much piano was emphasized as a personal thing for Kris literally in the previous chapter.Noelle's totally being set up to feel like an invading force here.
>>4014232I don't have the screencap but she says something like "(Could you teach me piano too?) :P"If you pick all the options for activities between Kris and Susie, it's Noelle who looks like a third wheel. You can even troll her by writing Kris and Susie as festival king and queen then showing it to her, and Susie likes the idea of it. Everything Kris does with Susie has way more chemistry, but unfortunately it doesn't prevent the lake scene. Something did stick out to me at the lake scene, though. Noelle tells her mother that she is dating Susie in defiance, only to be notified that her dad is gravely hurt. I don't hold any illusions that Toby is some "based" double agent (for all we know, the whole Nicepants thing could be a double subversion and they'll magically become gay lovers in the end), but it stood out to me how Noelle is chasing Susie only out of rebellion against her overbearing mother, and is hurting her actual relationships because of it.Then again, this is all written by the guy who softened the anti-Toriel backlash with her explanations.
>>4013816>Here's the fanworks archive if you're interested in any of the fanfics/greentext people have written, also the only place where you can find the Naranja demoNote I still haven't gotten around to updating the fangames archive: a couple Deltarune Yellow versions from April are missing. The one you can find on GameJolt is the latest.Sorry about the delay, I've recently been getting comboed by life stuff again, hopefully I can get around to it later this week
>>4014242>Sorry about the delay, I've recently been getting comboed by life stuff againyou're good anon, life always comes first. Thank you for updating it when you are able to though.
>>4013918This design of Martlet unbirthing Clover...
>>4014241>Then again, this is all written by the guy who softened the anti-Toriel backlash with her explanations.Honestly, I feel like that bit in particular is fine.The spare key thing works because we know for a fact that Kris knows things we don't and actively keeps things from us, as seen with them refusing to open that door in the church towards the end of chapter 4, and it also just makes sense in general. As for Toriel hanging out with Sans at the very end of the chapter, I don't think it's unreasonable for things to have just looked worse than they really were, especially since most of what actually made that scene so bad was the fact that we thought she had just neglected to check on Kris and Susie, which we now have some pretty reasonable explanations for.I still think she made an ass of herself, but I don't feel like it was a walking-back of what happened in chapter 4, it just felt like us getting to see more information on what actually happened.
>>4014232I knew since chapter 1 that Suselle would end up being an invasive plot element where they flirt with each other the whole game while you watch. After chapter 5 I believe the core of suselle is malice against all the people who don't like it, and the fans of suselle generally seem to enjoy that. It's only going to get worse, there will be no route where it doesn't work out perfectly between them.
>>4014247>especially since most of what actually made that scene so bad was the fact that we thought she had just neglected to check on Kris and Susienta, but what always made that scene not sit right with me, is that when you have a kid from your divorce, you don't have to stop living no, but you really have a duty to prepare them for things like that more. the first time your kid (who in kris's case may be taking things hard) finds out your dating should not be you falling over drunk after bringing your date into your home after knowing him for 3 or so nights.Also her saying that she took this near strangers word on kris's safety isn't a great look.
>>4014248I dunno, I may not have all the evidence to convince you right now, but that piano thing in particular makes me feel like this is supposed to come off as a bad thing, not like something we're supposed to want to happen.I can't prove it, but with Toby's own personal connection to playing piano, which he also had taken from him by his wrist condition, I swear this makes sense.
>>4014251>I swear this makes sense.anon...
>>4014232>>4014239>>4014240I think we are supposed to feel weird about it but it is Toby and this is a yuri couple so I think stuff like Noelle creepily horning in and trying to one-up Kris on the friendship stuff is just supposed to come across as quirky.The weirdness is probably going to be pushed as being entirely a Kris problem and not Noelle being a bit of a bitch who just wants a surrogate big sister that she can fuck.
>>4014218>not being able to fug the sheep due to it being pseudo-incestThey should add a black sheep doppelganger (while not!Asriel still actually exists in the setting unlike regular Asriel, and the comparisons between the two are directly made) to make the issue even more vague
>>4014250>but you really have a duty to prepare them for things like that more.Okay.Yes, I agree, but I think that still largely falls under what I described earlier as Toriel "making an ass of herself", as opposed to being almost criminally negligent, which is how she came off before.>Also her saying that she took this near strangers word on kris's safety isn't a great look.This, I will argue on.Toriel says in chapter 5 that Sans told her that Kris and Susie were hanging out the last time he saw them, which we know for a fact is true, because the last time you can interact with Sans before entering the first dark world is when you're hanging out with Susie, so we know he was telling the truth. Not only that, but the last time *Toriel* sees Kris and Susie, she knew they were hanging out together, so her taking Sans at his word is less like her just blindly trusting him, and moreso her just having what she already believed to be the case confirmed by a third party.Plus, by this point in the game, Kris and Susie have effectively established a pattern of becoming unreachable by others when hanging out together. We hear from Toriel that she tried to call Kris at the end of chapter 1 but couldn't get through, but she lets it slide when she hears from Kris that he was hanging out with a friend, and in chapter 2 we see Kris "hang out" with Susie late enough for Susie to have to stay at Kris's place, so by the time chapter 4 happens, Toriel may have just assumed this is something they do whenever they're with each other, and to be fair, she's right, just not for any normal reasons.So again, my stance is that Toriel definitely came off worse than she could've at the time, but her explanations for things aren't that unreasonable from what we know she knows, or at least that she thinks she knows.
>>4014257>Yes, I agree, but I think that still largely falls under what I described earlier as Toriel "making an ass of herself", as opposed to being almost criminally negligent, which is how she came off before.I've never considered her "criminally negligent" personally, but I do consider that to be a big deal, a major failing as a parent.>Toriel says in chapter 5 that Sans told her that Kris and Susie were hanging out the last time he saw them, which we know for a fact is true, because the last time you can interact with Sans before entering the first dark world is when you're hanging out with Susie, so we know he was telling the truthyes, sans wasn't lying, and toriel had reason to believe this could be true, but she also only had one example of this happening. Her getting wasted despite a soft confirmation at best is more than a "bad look". It's a genuine fuck up.>Plus, by this point in the game, Kris and Susie have effectively established a pattern of becoming unreachable by others when hanging out togetherit's not a pattern, we have one example. I wouldn't fault her for having "company" over if she was sober, but getting *that* drunk, while not actually knowing where your kid is, with a person in your house that you haven't even introduced your kid to as someone you're seeing is exactly as bad as I saw it before.Again, you can still have fun when you are a grown ass adult who has kids, but you've still got a certain responsibility to uphold. No kid wants to see his mother that wasted in the first place, let alone under those circumstances.
>>4013918Great improvement, it's very evident in this set of images you've drawn.Could you draw Orange from Deltarune Chapter 5? I don't mind what she's doing.I'd like to see how she looks in your style.
>>4013918Chujin unbirthing Integrity
>>4013810nta, but I thought it was a portmanteau of kiosk and OS, like it was a corporate name for one of those smart kiosk self check out things.
>>4013991I tried warning y'all this would happen
>>4014273I still think it's a non issue. art feeds are already almost completely without flower art. The designs in chapter 5 lacked the staying power certain past characters have had.
>>4014275>flowers mogged by nun tasque managershe truly rules over the coomers with an iron fist
Apparently one of the people involved in shades of justice, will be releasing the colored battle sprites they are making as a standalone mod "soon">>4014286Funny, I saw a tasque manager image yet again right under the post for the colored sprites mod.
>>4014239The piano thing is in fact real, some kriselle people were talking about it
>>4014025Anon, I promise I am not upset in the slightest. I knew from the outset that this going to be an open secret at the absolute best, and I was never going to go schizo and start lying and masking my typing habits, so there was a short shelf life on the "secret" to start with.Also, good phox.>>4013868Getting someone who:actually enjoys readingenjoys undertale enough to play fangamesAND has a critical mindsetis like finding a damn unicorn. The struggle is real.There's no need to rush Nine Sols, as it will take me a good long while to finish Partners and cover the second day of DRY before I do that, but the game is absolutely worthy of your time. I actually almost bounced off of it because I thought the main character's opinions were going to be representative of the story's opinions, but that was not the case. I shan't spoil anything by hinting further; just trust the writers to come through, and I believe you'll come out the other side happy.As for "graduating" to more serious content... I don't really see it that way. I think of Cracking Open a Kanacoke as something serious, and I went into it with something of the opposite of self-indulgence, or so I hope. Even in the prototype where they were having sex regularly, I'd intended the chapter to be preoccupied with changing the tone of their physical relationship, where they were finding comfort in each other after their near death experiences in the dark world.(Geez, Cracking Open a Kanacoke is a mouthful. What about COaK? COK...? Oh no, definitely not the second one.)
>>4013868Anyways, the inspirations are kinda all over the place. Some of it was an outlet for my writing critiques and preferences for DRY, some of which I've already mentioned, and another one being that I couldn't really buy that Cole and Kanako were just friends at the outset of the game, given their clear interest in each other and length of their relationship.Some of it was actually from that semi-recent green where Ceroba jumps Anon's bones as soon as he gets through the door. I thought the pace was jarring, but found it challenging to think of fixes. I concluded that extreme abruptness could be excused by extreme stress.And some of it was conscious effort on my part, because I don't want to give up on Yellow and Yellow-adjacent stuff, but I was lacking ideas for things to do after Partners. I managed to gin up a couple short story ideas, one of which will be released soon, one of which is post-Partners, and the last of which was Kanacoke, though it could very well prove to be a not-so-short story. I didn't think a single chapter would break 8000 words when I set out, I can tell you that!
>>4014275>>4014286Aqua gets the most, her and Green seemingly but then again everyone more or less liked Green.
>>4014299Honestly even aqua is falling off my feed. I saw I think one green image last night, I know a couple people are probably doing yellow and blue but I don't think it gets much love from the algorithm
>>4014162Before we go any further, what do you mean by fandom? Because when I (and presumably the anon you were replying to) say fandom, we mean people who played and liked the games. If you mean exclusively people who are fanatically obsessed with the games, then you may have a point. However if you use the same definition as I do, then you do not have a point. Furries aren't even majority gay, gays just happen to be extremely loud and hypersexual compared to straights, so the fandom seems more gay than it is. (this is from polls and furry conventions, which are already way gayer than the wider non con attending fandom). Sure gays are very overrepresented in the furry community, by a factor of 20 times (the human population at large is 2% gay, furries are a somehwere between 40 %and 50% gay).
>>4013918Geno Clover in Zenith Martlet's womb as a soul doing the shooting mini game, where he's clearly losing and about to inevitably end up as an egg.
>>4014297>Some of it was actually from that semi-recent green where Ceroba jumps Anon's bones as soon as he gets through the door. I thought the pace was jarring, but found it challenging to think of fixes. I concluded that extreme abruptness could be excused by extreme stress.nta but as the anon that wrote it, yeah I definitely have a long way to go with pacing and build up, something that's honestly been a challenge every time I think I'd like to work on a lewd martlet story.I figured it would be fine to just, focus on the lewd stuff for that story as an aspect of her having built up feelings and stress actually, but then when I wanted to continue it with a slower scene for build up before they continued, I found it difficult to think of what to actually put on the page.It's neat though that the story stuck in your mind a bit despite that, I was super nervous as well allowing myself to write something lewd.
>>4014299From what I've seen Orange appears to get the most attention, likely because she's the only flower to have a unique and very different design when compared to the others.Aqua has a memorable personality, but it terms of design, Orange is the only one that I can really consider to have staying power because of her status as a mouse.
Librarby anon, if you're around, do you have any preferences for what Wiki's facial expression should be for that "Polynesian sex" drawing?I posted the current sketch for her head and face up here (>>4014116), but I'm not too satisfied with it at the moment, though the face itself was more of a base when I first drew it.
>>4013932>>4014011>>4014017>>4013932>>4014087>>4014198>>4014246>>4014268>>4014304chill out man
>>4014321Hmm, that's a tough one. If they've been in that position for a while, then I'd say a serene/relaxed smile (with a hint of blushing still). If it's early on in the "session", then a much stronger blush with a kind of "nervous smile" as she's excited but also hasn't yet settled into the situation.
>>4014332Oh look another callout post to stir something up, because they couldn't help themselves.Remember guys don't react or feed into it if you don't want it to be a problem.
>>4014308She also had the hottest personality, that ranking is:>Orange>Pink>Seth & Aqua
>>4014336you could have just as well ignored it as well you know anon.
>>4014308maybe because you have furry bias, most people seem to forget orange exists even when doing group pics of all flowers, and overall rankings I've seen put her on the bottom near blue
>>4014338Ignored what? I don't see a post, do you?
>>4014336dude thats 9 fucking requests you only need the one
>>4014335I was thinking I'd have her in roughly the state she's in when she says "I need you", so with a certain amount of desperation, despite the rest of the image being what it is.I'm honestly still not quite sure how to handle it being dead-on like this, but I'm really trying to avoid just throwing it all out and trying again from another angle and from a different perspective.
one of the orange projects posted an updatehttps://gamejolt.com/p/undertale-orange-tbo-summer-newsletter-2026-bw9tjs57
>>4014341yeah you know how it goes with the request spam. Sometimes I wonder what drives such an autism but then I think of how there's the scuba person who fishes for his requests everywhere always nonstop. Granted he seems to be one and done about his posts in a given thread.
>>4014341I don't see anything, just a couple anons talking about deltarune design appeal for the flowers. Do you see anything?
>>4014341NTA, but careful with the swearing, there's a guy who's got it out for people who swear just a bit too much.
>>4014342>I was thinking I'd have her in roughly the state she's in when she says "I need you", so with a certain amount of desperationhalf lidded eyes or eyes closed. Mouth in that kind of "needful slight frown" where she's not unhappy, but she hasn't gotten what she "wants or needs" yet. >but I'm really trying to avoid just throwing it all out and trying again from another angle and from a different perspective.I don't know if you'd be happier or not with a different perspective but I say keep at it if nothing else because it's a perspective I don't know if you've done before.
>>4014343harvey's a cute little goblin
>>4014347>half lidded eyes or eyes closed. Mouth in that kind of "needful slight frown" where she's not unhappy, but she hasn't gotten what she "wants or needs" yet. Alright, I'll experiment with that a bit more later tonight. I've been finding a surprising amount of difficulty when it comes to drawing her expressions from the front, though my only reference for this entire drawing has just been her overworld sprite, so I guess that's to be expected.>I don't know if you'd be happier or not with a different perspective but I say keep at it if nothing else because it's a perspective I don't know if you've done before.I actually have done dead-on drawings before, but I usually try to avoid doing them because I think they come out looking too plain a lot of the time. I think the last one I did was some quick image of Ji from Nine Sols, and I don't think much of that drawing.I'll keep at this one for now, since I do like the first-person idea, but I'm gonna need to find a way to inject a little more life into this one before too long. Never any fun when proceeding with an image feels most accurately described as "cutting my losses".
>>4014341Out of those posts only three them actually appear legit, the others feels like bait. Regardless don't take the bait. Don't react, or do anything. Just don't acknowledge it.
>>4014350>Never any fun when proceeding with an image feels most accurately described as "cutting my losses".I think at this point I've learned that there's not much I can say to convince you to think otherwise on an image you're working on, BUTstill, may heaven grant you fortune
>>4014346There is no such guy, because none of us are going to escalate this, and attract such a guy here. We're just going to focus on what makes us happy and ignore the stuff that doesn't.
>>4014297>another one being that I couldn't really buy that Cole and Kanako were just friends at the outset of the game, given their clear interest in each other and length of their relationship.I mean, I can see it. Maybe they've had feelings in the past, but they each pushed that aside thinking it's just a puberty thing and it wouldn't be appropriate given Chujin's opinion of such a relationship. Then, with only a week left and placed in serious danger, these feelings bubbled their way to the top. But that's just my headcanon. I didn't have close female friends in my teen years and if I did then I would probably have fallen in love.>I concluded that extreme abruptness could be excused by extreme stress.This is true.>I managed to gin up a couple short story ideas, one of which will be released soon, one of which is post-Partners, and the last of which was Kanacoke, though it could very well prove to be a not-so-short story.Looking forward to it, Partnersanon! When it comes to romance, I definitely prefer a slow burn and have the "payoff" at the end. Or, it could be a tragedy. We all do love tragedy, don't we?
>>4014352>I think at this point I've learned that there's not much I can say to convince you to think otherwise on an image you're working onEh, I've changed my views on things I've worked on sometimes before, it just depends on what we're talking about.In any event, I think I've made some minor improvements just now, adjusting her arms to be more taut as she grabs (your) wrists, so it looks more like she's pulling you in, which I think is better. I think I might just keep tweaking things for a bit until it looks better, I dunno.>still, may heaven grant you fortuneThank you. I am extremely tired from the four hours of sleep I got last night (intentionally, doing a short burn to fix my sleep schedule), but I'm hoping I can have this sketch done tonight so I can try and have the whole thing done sooner rather than later.
>>4014356>In any event, I think I've made some minor improvements just now, adjusting her arms to be more taut as she grabs (your) wrists, so it looks more like she's pulling you in, which I think is better. Iyeah that does sound nice, and I realize my previous comment sounded a bit more "fatalistic" than I may have intended. but either way glad to hear you're working on it.>I am extremely tired from the four hours of sleep I got last night (intentionally, doing a short burn to fix my sleep schedule)good luck on that as well, sleep is extremely important and also impossible to get when you want it most.
>>4014358>but either way glad to hear you're working on it.Yeah, I'll keep moving along until it starts to look how I want it. If nothing else, if I do end up scrapping it (which I probably won't have to at this point but who knows), I'll probably just post the unfinished sketch by itself before taking another crack at it, if it comes to that.>good luck on that as well, sleep is extremely important and also impossible to get when you want it most.Don't I know it.I think that's probably why I value it so much when it comes to personal fantasies honestly, I like the idea of either helping my scrimblos to sleep or vice-versa because of just how little of it I usually get. Bleh.
>>4014359>I'll probably just post the unfinished sketch by itself before taking another crack at it, if it comes to that.nice, I actually really like seeing the sketch/linework phases of peoples stuff when they're willing to post it. It's like peering into unknowable runes.>spoilersyeah that makes sense. When you know the value of something that's hard for yourself to get, it makes it that much more impactful to you yourself granting it to others.
>>4014353>We're just going to focus on what makes us happyHmm, yes, what makes us happy.
>>4014361getting rid of the spooky eyes was a direct downgrade for this image.
>>4014362Me personally, I like the one with "normal" eyes.But since you like the other one, here you go.
>>4014336I wonder why there’s mysteriously some type of “don’t feed the trolls” response every time someone has an issue with these requests. It’s kinda clear the other person (or (You)) has a genuine obsession for this while getting off to people taking his “bait”
>>4014332Also I have a feeling the only true troll posts here are the Chujin and fat Martlet ones
>>4014365I wonder why you're continuing to talk about this when we've had two threads going into great detail on what happens when people just refuse drop something and continue feeding into a ultimately pointless thing.It's not just spam requests, or dumb posts, it's problem posters in general, even now despite what's happened, people can't help themselves but react, which will only have the opposite effect.Also this kind of post actually makes you look like a troll, cause it looks like your trying to stir up something by pointing fingers or making a suggestion that would stir something up.
Guys please just stop before this escalates any further. I'd rather not see another pointless back and forth. Aren't you guys also tired of this?
>>4014369honestly it would pass over just fine if you as well would learn to let it be. practice what you preach.In the grand scheme of 4 fucking thousand posts, it's really not that big of a deal is it?
i just played through day 1 of DRY, and after suffering through the disaster that was CH5, it felt so fucking refreshing and so fucking goodand the fact that it's being made by a regular of this website...you have restored my hope DRYanongodspeed
>>4014378not dryanon, but it's always nice to see someone experience something homegrown like this.
>>4014376nta in this particular case, it's not going to blow over and stop until someone steps in and kindly tells everyone to shut the fuck up.Like this isn't a one time occurrence, this has happened multiple times for the same exact thing, in multiple threads, to the point where people are genuinely sick of one guy who's going around accusing everyone of being a samefag or troll, because he doesn't like what they post or thinks they're someone else.It's happened so often that I'm convinced the ones making these rant posts, are actually the ones trying to stir up trouble, to the point where people who have nothing to do with are getting wrapped up in it.One time fine, second time okay sure, any more than that and your just intentionally trying to prolong a problem or create one.Regardless I allowed myself to get roped into this, so I'm going to disengage right here, and I urge you and others to do the same.
>>4014384actually it had stopped quite nicely.
>>4014361Might as well start talking about the porn you just jerked it to if being on-topic doesn't matter
>>4014389I'm not into that.You do you.
I just went back and played an old flash game "pause ahead" and while the game itself felt like a good example of "frustrating hitboxes in games" it also made me wonder about some other ways that you could work "game mechanic ability soul" in a fangame. the way you pause in that pausing everything but your last motion, maybe something like that could fit a patience soul since a lot of the time it leaves you basically crawling across the screen.Maybe it would be neat if every soul had some kind of "save/time manipulation ability" but each one worked different in some way or another.
>>4014390Well what do you want to talk about?
>>4014399I'm mostly interested in talking about fangames, but there's not much to discuss lately.To be totally honest I get people like it, but the endless erotic discussion seems kind of unproductive to me.
>>4014398>Maybe it would be neat if every soul had some kind of "save/time manipulation ability" but each one worked different in some way or another.People here have talked about the perseverance soul having a quicksave/quickload ability, bravery soul with fast travel, and while its not exactly time based, the justice soul in UTY seems to be able to see into others memories
>>4014406>People here have talked about the perseverance soul having a quicksave/quickload abilityI remember that one, I like the idea, though quicksave powers always scare the shit out of me when thinking about what the worst case scenarios are>bravery soul with fast travelnever seen that, I wonder what the logic is for it.>and while its not exactly time based, the justice soul in UTY seems to be able to see into others memoriesit's "kind of" time based because you're seeing what happened in that persons past so it still fits the theme enough, and plays into the justice theming well.
>>4014408>I remember that one, I like the idea, though quicksave powers always scare the shit out of me when thinking about what the worst case scenarios areI imagine the quicksave uses a different slot than the regular saves, either that or this is a mechanic that gets unlocked during the final boss fight since its so overpowered.>never seen that, I wonder what the logic is for it.I think its just taking an existing RPG mechanic and associating it with a soul, I guess it keeps the theme of bravery being about movement in Undertale, it could fit the "time" theme if time didn't progress after using the fast travel, even if most games with the mechanic do move the time forward when you use it.>it's "kind of" time based because you're seeing what happened in that persons past so it still fits the theme enough, and plays into the justice theming well.I do like it and think it goes well with the justice soul, its just that its not something commonly used as a game mechanic in RPGs.
>>4014409>I imagine the quicksave uses a different slot than the regular saves, either that or this is a mechanic that gets unlocked during the final boss fight since its so overpowered.it would be unique to make a game where you could only quicksave and quick load, but never reset (though that would probably be hated by the player). The idea of a soul that only has access to quick saves doing so right before an attack hit them.>it could fit the "time" theme if time didn't progress after using the fast travel,that makes sense, though I have to wonder if there was also some inspiration from instant transmission because of val.>its just that its not something commonly used as a game mechanic in RPGs.yeah that's fair, I guess you could stretch it and say "flashbacks are a thing in games" but that probably wasn't in mind when the mechanic was made. Or maybe it was I dont know.>>4014403>but there's not much to discuss lately.aside from just coming up with ideas for stories and games, there's a decent amount of of fangames outside of here as well that came out somewhat recently that haven't gotten all that much discussion. I'll be starting the soul blazers game myself pretty soon after I go and get the real ending or whatever from lost deltarune.>but the endless erotic discussion seems kind of unproductive to me.there's plenty of other discussion but I don't know what makes that particular thing "unproductive". Gets the noggin joggin as well as anything else does.
>>4014410oh continuing this line of thought, I think that pause mechanic then might be really good for patience, though it could be a bit busted combined with anything else, but maybe it could be used just to pause or bullet time combat?
>>4013950Oldentale is a prequel to Undertale set during the human-monster war. The specific size of the time gap between it and Undertale is vague, but generally a very long time. The game follows Racter, who through a series of events, ends up possessing a human soul, and that soul is (you). Now he's doing his best to try not to die, while everyone else does the same, and unfortunately those two things may be mutually exclusive. Wiki is one of the bosses from Oldentale, and is Toriel's sister.>>4013962I think you'd like what I have written for Oldentale. A big thing in the game is showing things that were lost to history. Maybe those history books got a few things wrong, and maybe some stuff was simply never written down to begin with. It's been a very long time since the war happened after all.>>4013973Humans in general are in the vague era before history was properly recorded and defined, back when entire civilizations could be forgotten and lost to time. Some of them may have been on the bronze age level or even higher. The ones currently fighting the monsters are not. They're only a couple steps above nomadic hunter gatherer tribes. Somewhat like the Celts, only without the Romans around.And monster society and technology revolves around magic, so most of it is practically worthless in the hands of a human. Except simple things like metal tools which can be operated by hand without magic.So most of monster society would've simply blown away like dust in the wind (both literally and metaphorically) after the monsters that built it were gone.
>>4013954I think it'd be pretty cool as long as the second playthough keeps things fresh and the ending is actually good.
>>4014410>it would be unique to make a game where you could only quicksave and quick load, but never resetIf a fangame got no reset button most players would just delete the save file to force a reset.>quick saves doing so right before an attack hit them.Getting stuck on a death loop sounds exactly like the kind of situation that would make a human soul lose all determination,>that makes sense, though I have to wonder if there was also some inspiration from instant transmission because of val.I think this idea predates Val? Still Val learning instant transmission as part of his soul trait sounds funny, I think this mechanic has potential for some interesting scenarios.>yeah that's fair, I guess you could stretch it and say "flashbacks are a thing in games" but that probably wasn't in mind when the mechanic was made. Or maybe it was I dont know.If you really want to stretch the definition, you could say that its like playing a demo, like in Doom, that would make it game mechanic related, even if its not something related to RPGs.
>>4013959>r, what do you guys think of a fangame with multiple romance options for the player character?I love it. Its what I wish Deltarune did, instead of just multiple teases like it did.
>>4014360>nice, I actually really like seeing the sketch/linework phases of peoples stuff when they're willing to post it. It's like peering into unknowable runes.Eh, I think my sketchwork is pretty plain when it's actually done, I tend to clean up my WIPs to reduce file size as I work on them. The only thing that would probably be interesting to look at would be all the unused layers and ideas present in disabled layers or layer groups, but those obviously wouldn't be visible in just a screenshot of the sketch itself.>When you know the value of something that's hard for yourself to get, it makes it that much more impactful to you yourself granting it to others.Yeah, that's a decent way of putting it. It reminds me of some psychological theory I saw someone talk about once, that "the things you lack in childhood are what you crave as an adult for yourself and others".I don't know how much credence to give to that idea, but it may have some point, vaguely.
>>4014417>If a fangame got no reset button most players would just delete the save file to force a reset.honestly yeah a lot of people would do that.there was that one shot game where I think the demo stayed true to the "one shot" name? >Getting stuck on a death loop sounds exactly like the kind of situation that would make a human soul lose all determinationyeah that sounds about right, kind of nauseating to imagine a situation like that. >I think this mechanic has potential for some interesting scenarios.could be anything from just being a game mechanic that characters joke about to something more serious where you are operating under very limited time constraints and that power is all that's barely keeping you above the water.>that would make it game mechanic related, even if its not something related to RPGs.honestly nothing wrong with pulling from more than just RPGs if it plays into the game well.
>>4013988He backtracked every other good bold decision he made in this game. I can totallyl see him backtracking this too.
>>4014419>Eh, I think my sketchwork is pretty plain when it's actually done, I tend to clean up my WIPs to reduce file size as I work on them. The only thing that would probably be interestingI get it, 'I just think it's neat' for some reason.>I don't know how much credence to give to that idea, but it may have some point, vaguely.it sounds like something that has some grounds but is stated too firmly as fact since there's all sorts of driving forces in us. Still, it's not unreasonable.
>>4014000I like the art (from his main, not the other one), but come on, its too funny to not mention.
>>4014004Its not the ballet they're associating.
>>4014038If they fixed the designs maybe.
>>4014422>I get it, 'I just think it's neat' for some reason.Fair enough, I guess it's not something you get to see too terribly often, I suppose I don't think too much of it since I see it all the time.>Still, it's not unreasonable.Well, it partially explains some things, but I think I like the way you put it better.
>>4014418Deltarune should give you two romances options, one is Susie and the other is Berdly, no doe for anyone
>>4014041The side characters look way better than the MCs.
So, did UT Wildfire die or what?
>>4014044I think it is an original setting. Its just one that's functionally equivalent to hometown.
>>4014430Pretty sure that anon meant an original setting in the Deltarune world, not an original setting that's a legally distinct DR
>>4014429There hasn't been an update on UTW in months, quit asking already.
>>4014123Its not like chapter 5 is the first time people have been unhappy with Deltarune, even if it is the worst offender. No art needs to exist, but there's certainly a demand for "deltarune but good" out there. I certainly want more Deltarune, but not the Deltarune Toby is making.
>>4014116She looks good here. That's exactly how I draw her looking dead on.
>>4014434Really?I have the sprite right next to her head while I'm working on this, and I swear there's just some disconnect I can't describe that's just throwing it all off for me.Like, I'm looking at the sprite, and I think it looks good, but I look at the head I drew, and it just doesn't click for me.But if you think it looks good, fuckin', I dunno.
>>4014041>Hedgehog AlphysI do like her. Bird Undyne(?) has completely lost the plot but she is very cool. Shame they probably won't be routes.
>>4014184Matpat has a wife and kids. And they're not adopted, those are his biological kids that he had with his biologically female wife.>furriesThey were deviant from the start. But it was lot more raunchy humor than pure unironic fetishism. And the culture of acceptance and hugboxes got started in the 2000s. Before that they were degens in the same way people here are degens. They all knew a lot of the people there were weird, the weirdos accepted they were weird, and everyone had a good laugh about it while the weirdos traded sexy drawings with each other.
>>4014186The UTY devs created prohibition?
>>4014191They were degens, but the culture was different back then. There was a big shift in the early 2000s and late 90s that resulted in a massive schism in the fandom. People got a lot weirder and a lot more open about their weirdness, and people started getting really sensitive about their art. Oldschool furries were all about irreverent edgy humor with cartoon animals, but in the 2000s they became more of a place where everyone comforted and encouraged each other, no negativity allowed.
>>4014192>>4014194They didn't have to be in the same class to be friends. Maybe Mooch was a freshman while they were juniors or seniors.
>>4014443The issue is Roba, we know she and Starlo were childhood friends and roughly the same ageEven if you go with Kanako being 8 or so, that means that Roba is at minimum mid 20s, if she had her as soon as she turned 18, otherwise you get into that issue with groomerjin and teen pregnancyEven if Mooch was a few years behind, unless she was still a kid/in middle school but friends with high schoolers, the timeline doesn't align
>>4014239I feel like that nazi general watching Hitler cope about retaking Germany in Downfall.
>>4014444Roba is actually 22 years old during UTY, I won't elaborate on this
>>4014241>Then again, this is all written by the guy who softened the anti-Toriel backlash with her explanations.It really gets overlooked because of all the other shit, but that was another absolutely awful thing chapter 5 did, to the detriment of the entire rest of the game and the characters in it.
>>4014445I would say I'm more like Stalin pacing back and forth before deciding not to evacuate from the German invasion.I will not give in to lesbianazism, we will hold the line, and push it back.
>>4014247>, but I don't feel like it was a walking-back of what happened in chapter 4, it just felt like us getting to see more information on what actually happened.It making it not as bad makes it walking back.The scene was obviously meant to be read and horrible and to shatter Susie's view of Toriel while showing a major reason why Kris is so miserable in his seemingly happy home. The whole game goes out of its way to set up this petty antagonism involving Sans, then has it climax in chapter 4. Only to then walk literally all of the intereresting developments of that scene back right there. Toriel is right back to being Mrs Perfect again, alongside Sans being lifted out of the ugly bastard role.
>>4014415Do we know what exactly the reason is for this the war starting besides it supposedly being born of Human fear? I asume Asgore is King and leading the war effort. And should the Protagonist not be overpowered compared to other Monsters given they have a human soul? Is this Racter perhaps the guy that unintentionally stared this entire war in the first place by getting his hands on a human soul?
>>4014451>Toriel is right back to being Mrs Perfect againI mean, she really isn't.She still made an ass of herself in front of her child, and her child's friend, and she still didn't go looking for them when she thought something might be up, and you know, the whole thing with the blood stain by Kris's bed is still a thing.She's still pretty far from perfect, we just got more information on what happened at the end of chapter 4 in particular, which I already thought wasn't that bad to begin with based on what we knew at the time.>alongside Sans being lifted out of the ugly bastard role.He never really was that either.Sure, he's like, vaguely something of a jerk in a few lines here and there before chapter 4, but even then he's really not doing anything he didn't do in UT with Frisk, just by being kinda weird and tricky.
>>4014454Give it up, the persecution/victim complex of this thread must be maintained at any and all costs, including constantly shitting on any hopefuls
>>4014408>though quicksave powers always scare the shit out of me when thinking about what the worst case scenarios areMaybe play into that. Perseverence screws himself by making a bad save in an uniwinnable fight and dies permanently because of it.
>>4014455>Give it upI'll never give up hope.I'll never be like you.We all have a choice.
>>4014410>flashbacks are a thing in games"Kind of a tangent, but being able to time travel and invade people's pasts by abusing flashbacks seems like a power (you) would have in a weird route type route. Kinda makes me think of the "flashbacks" in Nanquest.
Seeing this brought up again, I'll just say let us just agree that Asgore and Toriel are both inept parents, and all it would take is a some difficult even to destroy their family. Like the tragic event that happened in Deltarune was WAY more tame than the tragic event that happened in Undertale, yet it still resulted in a Divorce likely instigated by Toriel. They're both very affectionate but frankly suck at reading cues and properly raising their kids, especially Kris, which is likely because they have zero proper idea how to correctly raise a human. Ironically Undertale Asgore and Toriel mightve been way more competant parents if Chara didnt desired to be a little misanthropic shithead.
>>4014459>Ironically Undertale Asgore and Toriel mightve been way more competant parents if Chara didnt desired to be a little misanthropic shithead.To be fair, they should've known something was up when they adopted a child capable of melting their face on command.
>>4014459Also remember that Kris is in Toriel's custody and care, so she general deserves more scrutiny for neglectful actions than Asgore does. Though I do have to give a bit of shit to Asgore himself for being way to obsessed with trying to win Toriel back instead of just accepting divorced dad status and spending time with his Kid regardless. Toriel might be a bit of a bitch to Asgore but I doubt she'd stop him from spending fatherly time with Kris. Both these goats are just a tad dumb desu.
>>4014453>I asume Asgore is KingHe's not, the current king is his father. Asgore is around, but he's pretty young.>s this Racter perhaps the guy that unintentionally stared this entire war in the first place by getting his hands on a human soul?No, the war has already been going for a while now. And its not been going well for the monsters. Hence the desperation to get that soul from him, at any cost.
>>4014457>I'll never give up hope.I reject that hope!
>>4014463Then die, that's not my problem.
>>4014460Yeah I honestly legit hate Chara as an individual, the bastard serves a good purpose of showing how destructive misanthropy is, because it was his hatred of his own kind that started the beginning of the times of troubles for monsterkind in the Underground. And his hatred of humanity spread to Asgore and then to mosnter society as a whole (even if most mosnters seem to also be big philiacs for human cultures and stuff. Undyne hates humans but also loves them for example). Hell even in fangames like Undertale Yellow, the main preventable chain of tragic events is caused by Chujin and later Ceroba's own personal vendeta against humanity.
>>4014464Even if I die my ideas will still linger, we refuse to be part of Toby's script, we will no longer perpetuate this cycle of hope only for the dog to crush it all in the next release.
>>4014462>He's not, the current king is his father. Asgore is around, but he's pretty young.Nice, I was actually hoping for something like that. >No, the war has already been going for a while now. And its not been going well for the monsters. Hence the desperation to get that soul from him, at any cost.So im assuming some lore retcons about the honestly scare info about the War huh? Because the way the war is portrayed by the Monsters is that it was an absurdly on sided war were not a single human was killed and most of monsterkind bit the literal dust. I doubt such an imbalance of power would result in a long drawn out multi-generational war.
>>4014454>She still made an ass of herself in front of her child,Which the following chapter swept under the rug entirely. It paints her in a positive light and takes action to defang her crimes the previous night. Even if she still did technically do wrong things, the tone of her being horrible and doing horrible things is no longer there. Now it feels like its just a big misunderstanding on Kris and Susie's part>He never really was that either.Yes he was, he was openly antagonistic to Kris in basically every interaction, and Kris seemed to dislike him in those interactions.>but even then he's really not doing anything he didn't do in UT with FriskYeah, that's what makes it so great (or what did anyways). He's the exact person he was in Undertale, doing the exact same things, only because of the different context, you see just how much of a bastard he is. He's coming in and ruining Kris's family life for his own benefit, then rubbing salt in the wound by making jokes about it as Kris's expense, eating his food, and keeping him up all night partying with Toriel in a scene that's an obvious visual metaphor for them fucking in another room.But then chapter 5 came in and said "no, this is all fine actually. Just a misunderstanding, nothing to see here"
>>4014461>Though I do have to give a bit of shit to Asgore himself for being way to obsessed with trying to win Toriel backHe doesn't deserve an ounce of shit for that. The worst sin he commits there is being naive. Toriel is the one in the wrong, she deserves the shit.
>>4014459I'll accept that they're inept, but Toriel deserves way more shit than the game is willing to give her, and Asgore doesn't deserve the shit chapter 5 did to his character.
>>4014469>He doesn't deserve an ounce of shit for that.EGGS HUSBAND
>>4014444Why would Kanako be 8? She seemed a lot younger to me. Like a small child or toddler.
>>4014464>>4014463I have no hope for Toby, or that pathetic excuse of a future he's offered us. My only hope is the one I make myself. Deltarune is dead, long live the fangames.
>>4014474I assume she is the same age as Clover, and Clover is around the same age as Frisk, and it's usually agreed Frisk is 8 or 9 (I personally thought 12 but that seems to be wrong)Deltarune showed that the cast is 16 (thankfully, was tired of people calling them middle schoolers) and the Dess incident happened maybe 7 years before the current time (based on hints like the dragon book's overdue time) which would make them 9, matching Frisk's supposed age (also the ages the kid sprites of Kris and Noelle seem to be like, specially compared with the Noelle sprite from the 10th anniversary stream)Sure Kanako could be younger but at least for me it makes more sense she is the same age as Clover
>>4014468>Even if she still did technically do wrong things, the tone of her being horrible and doing horrible things is no longer there.Again, the bloodstain. The big ol' bloodstain that was on the carpet near Kris's bed that apparently had gone unnoticed or untended to until Susie sees it.That still happened, Toriel's record hasn't been sanitized, unlike the carpet.>Yes he was, he was openly antagonistic to Kris in basically every interaction, and Kris seemed to dislike him in those interactions.Kris dislikes a lot of things, and Sans isn't really doing much else than being kinda weird, which isn't much worth noting in DR, given that basically everyone is like that.>He's coming in and ruining Kris's family life for his own benefitThat already wasn't very good, he isn't doing that much damage by this point.>then rubbing salt in the wound by making jokes about it as Kris's expenseKris's life is a joke at his expense, it's basically fine.>eating his foodI don't actually think we know if Sans ate the food, I think he just cleared it out to make room for his ketchup.I actually don't think we ever see Sans eat or drink anything aside from ketchup, ever, save for the lemonade in one of the UT Kickstarter trailers way back when.>and keeping him up all night partying with Toriel in a scene that's an obvious visual metaphor for them fucking in another room.Don't worry, Susie came back in to yell at them to keep quiet during that scene, you can hear her audio bleeps silencing them.>But then chapter 5 came in and said "no, this is all fine actually. Just a misunderstanding, nothing to see here"It's not that there's nothing to see there, just that we were really only seeing one side of things. There are lots of things that seem bad at first glance, that are then revealed not to be as bad later on.Not *good*, just not as bad.
>>4014467>I doubt such an imbalance of power would result in a long drawn out multi-generational war.I didn't say it was multi generational. > Because the way the war is portrayed by the Monsters is that it was an absurdly on sided war were not a single human was killed and most of monsterkind bit the literal dustAll the current hail mary plans for monster victory involve the capture of just one human soul, something they still have yet to manage despite uncountable casualties and destruction. Make no mistake, this war is absolutely a one sided stomp, just one the monsters have been fighting tooth and nail to drag out for as long as possible.
>>4014471All on Toriel and Sans.
>>4014478>just one the monsters have been fighting tooth and nail to drag out for as long as possible.realistically they shouldn't be able to draw the fight at all, only retreat
>>4014479He was obviously stalking Toriel the entire time waiting for his chance to make her laugh, I understand Asgore not wanting to give up on his family, but come on, this isn't even about Toriel, he should have more self respect.
>>4014469>>4014470Listen i've always been on Deltarune Asgore's side but I am not blind to his flaws. Honestly his epiphany on said flaws near the end of Ch 5 already address those issues. He realized he wasn't the best dad he couldve been and is ready to change for the better. Thats way more than one can say for Toriel.Ultimately Deltarune Asgore is mainly guilty of the guilt of failing to find his best friend's daughter and having his obsession for solving the mystery conflict with his Family life. Honestly I bet Rudy himself feels a bit guilty that the entire Dess Dissapearence incident was the root cause for his best friend becoming divorced because Asgore just gave too much of a damn about his daughter. He really is a saint compared to his Undertale counterpart, which does make Toriel divoring and being such a meanie to him look pretty bad for Toriel
>>4014480I'm NTA, but as somebody who's been in your shoes before, I'm just going to tell you that you're going to think a lot of things like that Oldentale, and you're just gonna have to accept that at some point.
>>4014482Doesn't Sans turn around during that scene?I think Asgore may have made *him* laugh, at least.
>>4014476>and it's usually agreed Frisk is 8 or 9 (I personally thought 12 but that seems to be wrong)Is it? I always read him as a toddler, since kids around that age are pretty androgynous, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to see some little boy wear a tutu because no one told him those were for girls, or for some little girl to wear a manly bandana for the same reason.>Deltarune showed that the cast is 16No it didn't. It gave a rough range which included 16 as a possible value in an arg email. They're just general teenagers with specific canon age beyond that.
>>4014486>They're just general teenagers with specific canon age beyond that.Chapter 5 implied at least Temmie is leaving for college next year or so which puts them in middle to late high school age, as well as Catti having a waitress job and Berdly working at the libraryBut the ARG is a big one to narrow it down, sure it isn't in game but narrows down a lot more when people were putting the DR cast at 12 year old age before
>>4014478Honestly wouldnt it be funny if the Monsters actually were the ones who started the war because they underestimated their Human neighbor due to how primative and barbaric they seemed? Their invasion might ended like the catostrophic failure for the Romans against the German Tribes at the Battle of Teutoburg Forest, but way worse, and ever since they were on the defensive.
>>4014477>Again, the bloodstain.Completely ingored by the tone. >and Sans isn't really doing much else than being kinda weird,He's being a dick to Kris while fucking his mom, that is a very big issue. You really shouldn't be antagonizing the kids of the woman you're dating.>he isn't doing that much damage by this point.He's putting the nails in the coffin, and burying it six feet under so it stays absolutely ruined forever. He is making sure the damage will never ever be fixed.>Kris's life is a joke at his expense, it's basically fine.That just makes it worse>, I think he just cleared it out to make room for his ketchup.That also makes it worse.>, you can hear her audio bleeps silencing themDo we know that was her silencing them? Maybe that was just the game shifting focus from one sound to another.>, just that we were really only seeing one side of things. There are lots of things that seem bad at first glance, that are then revealed not to be as bad later on.That's the problem, that is textbook whitewashing. It should be all bad, or mostly bad, even on its "good" side. Anything less is whitewashing to make her perfect again. It has to feel bad or it may as well not have any flaws at all.
>>4014482Asgore was going to the store for his free pickle. Toriel just happened to be there and he made his desperate attempt at a dad joke. Toriel's the cruel one for taking away his ability to make those jokes in a healthy way.
>>4014487I think them being teens in high school already ruled out them being 12.
>>4014493You really don't remember how many people thought they were middle schoolers in the earlier chapters, even around the ch 3+4 days that was still happening, it only died down recently
>>4014491>Do we know that was her silencing them? Maybe that was just the game shifting focus from one sound to another.Pretty sure, both Sans and Toriel's noises cut out once Susie's voice bleeps end, and I don't know what else Susie's voice bleeps would've been for if not for yelling at them, since she's still right in front of the house by the time the camera shows us what she's doing again.>It should be all bad, or mostly bad, even on its "good" side. Anything less is whitewashing to make her perfect again. It has to feel bad or it may as well not have any flaws at all.Okay, yeah, I don't feel like getting into one of these right now, I'd rather just get back to work.
>>4014494NTA, but when chapter 1 first came out, I kinda figured Kris was just the same age I was at the time, around early highschool.
>>4014492>Asgore was going to the store for his free pickleWhen he jumped out of the bushes at the church's entrance to offer her flowers, was that a coincidence too?
>>4014459...So they're the average American couple? I'd say Toriel is slightly worse than average, however.>>4014465History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
NGL Toriel gives off the vibe of someone who was her mother's least favorite child and probably neglected, which in her case translates to being very motherly to children and youngins, but also frankly sucking at a lot of the nuanced aspects of being a parent.Not speculating this to make Tori seem more pitiable, but to explain why she genuinely sucks at proper Mom-ing. I make this claim because I have an Auntie who was basically like that and reminds me a bit of Toriel. Very loving, but also a pretty incompetent parent (Also a classic cause of Wine Aunt).
>>4014480The monsters have numbers, technology, and logistics on their side. They have dust for the mill, while the humans can't afford a single soul being captured. So it leads to this incredibly brutal stalemate where the monsters are doomed to a slow defeat because they're losing soldiers while the humans aren't.>>4014488The monsters, prior to the war, did view humans as being little more than animals. Though, they still claim that the humans are the aggressors.
>>4014498>...So they're the average American couple? I'd say Toriel is slightly worse than average, however.Is that how bad the situation is in whatever part of the States you're in? Sorry to hear that man. Boomers sucked at raising kids, so their kids also suck at raising kids. It's a cycle.>History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.Yep, thats why things changed for the better when Frisk broke the pattern of fallen humans dying mainly due to monsterkind's animosity, and resulted in the Barrier finally being broken.
>>4014500>The monsters have numbers, technology, and logistics on their sidethe humans have one hit kills and extreme magic resistance, unless the monsters have millions of soldier they can't counter that
>>4014499I like how so many people can relate to Toriel in almost entirely negative ways.I don't think anyone has a good story about how someone in their life reminds them of Toriel, I've never seen that happen before.
>>4014483>on said flaws near the end of Ch 5My issue is with the flaws chapter 5 gives him. It just forces him to be a threatening and violent lunatic who ingored his family and falsely accused them of hating him, so it can make him be at fault for the divorce. I reject the characterization.>He really is a saint compared to his Undertale counterpart,He was justified in Undertale too. He had a duty to his people, and that duty came before anything else.> which does make Toriel divoring and being such a meanie to him look pretty bad for TorielToriel in Undertale is like a child. The ideas of responsibility and duty beyond anything other than the personal level are completely alien to her. The idea of Asgore having a duty to his people doesn't even register to her, so she just blames it all on anger and cowardice, because those are the terms she thinks in.
>>4014500>The monsters, prior to the war, did view humans as being little more than animals. Though, they still claim that the humans are the aggressors.Honestly that does make sense, because like, every other living thing is made of flesh and blood. While Monsters are made of Magic dust and whatever else. So they probably used to associate such meatbags as being inferior and common creatures (humans included), while they are special and unique. Meanwhile for a human, it just makes monsters seem like unatural freaks of nature.
>>4014495>and I don't know what else Susie's voice bleeps would've been for if not for yelling at themTo show that she's talking outside the house, and to explain why Kris shifts focus to her. Sans and Toriel may not have stopped, Kris may have just stopped listening to them.>Okay, yeah, I don't feel like getting into one of these right now, I'd rather just get back to work.Thank you. I don't like thinking about this stuff either.
>>4014361>>4014364I wonder what a boss fight against him would be like or like the arena.Like maybe you "accidentally" clip out of bounds in a platforming segment in Naranja and there's a whole inbetween area where things are buggy looking or you jump through a top down area with platforming controls.
>>4014494I don't think I ever encountered those people. That doesn't change my point though, just means those people lack basic critical thinking or that they didn't pay attention at all.>>4014496same
>>4014503I mean I do in fact love my Aunt and she is a good person at heart. There are some positive behaviors of her that remind me of Tori, but there are way more negative things that remind me of the Goat. My Cousin even once told me that "I love my mom, but I wish she wasn't my mom and just my aunt. Like I wish I was in your shoes bro". That hit me a bit hard, because ouch, poor Cuz. At least she's a way better Grandma than a Ma and drinks way less Whiskey than she used to
>>4014497No, that was still ultimately Toriel's fault though. She pushed him to that point. Can't fault a man for loyalty or innocence.
>>4014508>I don't think I ever encountered those people.NTA, but there were plenty of people saying that the characters in Deltarune are 12 or 13 years old at most, completely ignoring that Catti and Berdly have jobs
>>4014509Aha, man, jeez.That's rough.I'd have said my own mom kinda reminds me of Toriel, but I think she'd have to have cared more in order for that comparison to have any weight to it.Anywho-
>>4014510>She pushed him to that point>Anon I swear to god, I dislike Toriel too but now you're just whitewashing Asgore's creepy and pathetic behavior
>>4014502The monsters were much stronger on average back then, boss monsters weren't extinct (though the humans are working on fixing that), and they had all sorts of crazy magitech for combined arms warfare. And even the strongest human can still die if he slips up a few times while dodging, and monsters can attack him from outside of his range as seen in the Undyne chase. And keep in mind, just one casualty could snowball into monster victory. So they have to be careful. Really the monsters would have the advantage if the humans didn't seemingly get the best possible outcome in every fight.
>>4014514>The monsters were much stronger on average back thenBut you made it clear that fodder like Racter still existed back thenlike by how you're describing it, this war must have lasted generations or be over in a few months by how Undertale describes it
>>4014504>My issue is with the flaws chapter 5 gives him. It just forces him to be a threatening and violent lunatic who ingored his family and falsely accused them of hating him, so it can make him be at fault for the divorce. I reject the characterization.I do in fact agree there. Honestly I was disappointed about how Asgore was hyped up and then nothing came with it and he reverted to being "Mr Dad Guy" mode.>He was justified in Undertale too. He had a duty to his people, and that duty came before anything else.Despite my bias towards humanity, from his POV and how fresh the death of his son was I do understand. But he could have gone about things better. But people forget that part of his brazen reknewal of hostility against humanity wasnt just emotional, but in order to keep Monster Homes and Dreams fired up. Because monster's can literally die if they lose said hopes and dreams. Asgore probably prevented a large scale depression induced "Falling Down" of many monsters.>Toriel in Undertale is like a child. The ideas of responsibility and duty beyond anything other than the personal level are completely alien to her. The idea of Asgore having a duty to his people doesn't even register to her, so she just blames it all on anger and cowardice, because those are the terms she thinks in.Yes. Compared to actual Queens across history, she seems to have very little loyalty and dedication towards her people. It is unbecoming of the Queen of Monsterkind. The thing is she didnt even need to abandon being a bleeding heart and an advocate against a reknewed war, but she let her emotions get the better of her and abandoned the Kingdom in it's darkest hour. So many people who try to psycho-analyze these two Goats like smartasses seem to forget the very large factor that they're monarchs of an entire civilization. They arent just a regular married couple in Undertale. A good King and Queen do put the needs and welfare of the entire Kingdom above themselves.
>>4014499I also like to think of Toriel's mother as being a real piece of work. Though I don't know if she was the least favorite. Her mother might have just been shit to all of her kids (heh).Now I'm thinking about Wiki and Toriel's childhood. Imagining them like the grainy black and white photos of Queen Victoria with her children, all the kids posing like well trained dogs rather than happy children.
>>4014517Headcanoning Toriel's mom as being a pretty shitty baphomet-goat looking boss monster that treated her daughters as political pawns for marrying into other families. Because I am assuming Toriel's family is Royalty as well due to being boss monsters.
>>4014513No, the problem is with society for not being able to recognize how inherently wrong divorce is. Sure its pathetic, but its pathetic because Asgore did everything right as a husband and was still placed in this position because Toriel simply decided to leave. And its only creepy because feminism has decided that married couples don't have a right to each other and society accepted it.Loving your wife and doing everything in your power to express that is what a husband should do. The creepiness is just the result of Toriel, aided by society at large, forcing him into that role when trying to express the love that he should be expressing.
>>4014519>The creepiness is just the result of Toriel, aided by society at large, forcing him into that role when trying to express the love that he should be expressing.NTA, but I'm surprised I haven't ever seen someone compare Asgore to D-FENS at any point.Seems like it would've come up sometime before now.
>>4014503She does have positive traits. She is at least kind and caring to her children, even if she's an evil bitch towards her husband, and horribly absent minded to towards her kids.
>>4014511I suppose 12 and 13 year old are pretty lacking in critical thinking skills.
>>4014520I was thinking about that earlier when him being arbitrarily made aggressive towards his family late in the story came up, but didn't, because D-fens was a very aggressive person from the start of the movie, even if he is right to be angry about basically everything. Falling Down is about a man with anger issues crashing out. His wife was a bitch, but she had more justification that Toriel, and it was set up better.
>>4014293>not upsetThat's good, I was worried I messed up.>Also, good phox.Appreciate it!Now I should focus on writing but games and art (mostly games) pull me. I really need to do one last check over the yapfest story I keep bringing ip and share it, despite the potential ripping.
>>4014515Fodder still existing, but there were more strong monsters as well. >this war must have lasted generations or be over in a few months by how Undertale describes itI don't see why it would have to be exclusively either of those two with no in between.
>>4013918I'm happy with seeing more pregnant Zenith Martlet.
>>4014519>No, the problem is with society for not being able to recognize how inherently wrong divorce is. I mean divorce is wrong because the people that get divorced probably shouldn't have been married in the first place, there's a lot of valid reasons for a divorce to happen.>Sure its pathetic, but its pathetic because Asgore did everything right as a husband and was still placed in this position because Toriel simply decided to leave.We still don't how the full story behind why Asgore and Toriel got divorced, sure I doubt the full context would change things, but Asgore should move on, Toriel doesn't want to know anything about him, instead of debasing himself he should find someone else who appreciates him, or at the very least focus his love on his children instead of trying to go back to a woman who hates him.>Loving your wife and doing everything in your power to express that is what a husband should do. The creepiness is just the result of Toriel, aided by society at large, forcing him into that role when trying to express the love that he should be expressing.It's creepy because he's literally following her around waiting for his chance to grovel before her, I die a little inside every time we get one of those Asgore moments.
>>4014518Going with the Queen Victoria thing, I kinda just imagined her as goat Victoria. Some stern faced old lady in a black dress.
>>4014526>I don't see why it would have to be exclusively either of those two with no in between.you are right, even with your description there's zero chance the monsters would last that long, each of their armies and cities would get decimated in a every battle, humans having to be "careful" is irrelevant since you've implied they can save and load, from their point of view they do everything perfectly on their first attempt
>>4014516Honestly you can easily counter Toriel's point about Asgore taking a single soul, crossing the barrier, and getting six more by saying that Asgore was being extremely cautious for the sake of his people and ensuring the highest odds of success. One of the reasons why Asgore is so reluctant is because deep down he knows that another war with Humanity, that he promissed would bring about their destruction, will likely be devastating, with a high chance of monsters losing and being premanltly wiped out. Ignoring personal reasons, why should he risk only leaving with one Soul when he could very likely be killed. At that point in time the Asriel incident might still be fresh in minds of the humans at that point in time and they might be anticipating another Monster attack. If Asgore crossed the Barrier early, he mightve gotten spawn killed lol. So instead Asgore bided his time, part out of genuine reluncantce and hope no humans would fall and part because he wanted to ensure the absolute highest chance of success by become a literal god with seven human souls.
>>4014519NTA, but while I'm opposed to divorce on religious grounds and think it's overwhelmingly abused/misused, there are genuine cases where a couple needs to separate, either due to marrying too hastily or due to having fundamentally incompatible personalities. If they're fighting constantly that'll hurt the kids more than the pain of separation.I do agree that Toriel is almost wholly in the wrong here.>>4014520Asgore robbing Sans' store at gunpoint and holing up in the bunker would've been a fun time.>>4014529Pretty much everyone put on a stern face in photos back then, even kids. Queen Victoria wasn't particularly bad and was in fact open-minded for her time.>>4014530How does that work in the overworld? Does only the most powerful human get to save and load, is it a chaotic mess where everyone resets time, or are there bubbles incongruous with the rest of reality?
>>4014528>, there's a lot of valid reasons for a divorce to happen.Yes, but "I don't want to be married anymore" is not one of them. That commitment is for life. You can't just break it over petty emotion, not after taking such a serious vow, and especially not when children are involved. When kids are involved, you do whatever is necessary to stay together and give that child a proper upbringing. Even if that means swallowing your emotions and putting on a happy face in a loveless marriage.> but Asgore should move on,Practically speaking, yeah, he should. But morally speaking, he's doing the most moral thing he possibly could do, being so hopelessly devoted to his wife, even when he gets nothing but scorn in response. That only makes Toriel worse.>It's creepy because he's literally following her around waiting for his chance to grovel before herAnd he wouldn't be doing that if she did her proper duty as a wife. He's supposed to be with her. She's the one in the wrong for forcing him away.>I die a little inside every time we get one of those Asgore moments.I do too. Watching a good man get pushed to such miserable lows is horrible,
>>4014533>He's supposed to be with her. She's the one in the wrong for forcing him away.NTA, but come on now, even before we got some elaboration on that in chapter 5, we pretty much already knew Asgore either was or seemed completely off the deep end to everyone around him, I don't think it's fair to say Toriel just "forced him away" as if she didn't have a reason for doing so.In Asgore's defense, what he saw was real, and he's not crazy, but from everyone else's perspective, they have no real way of verifying that, so this situation is more just a tragedy for everyone than a situation with a clear villain, except for whoever was behind whatever happened that messed Asgore up in the first place.
>>4014530>from their point of view they do everything perfectly on their first attemptPerfectly only helps if the battle is winnable with no casualties to begin with. There would be a lot of battles where they simply have to retreat because its impossible to do with no losses. And many strategic things may have to stop abruptly because they would lead to casualties later on. The humans are basically just fighting a war of attrition because they know they can win that. And wars of attrition take a long time.
>>4014531>Toriel's point about Asgore taking a single soul, crossing the barrier, and getting six more by saying that Asgore was being extremely cautious for the sake of his people and ensuring the highest odds of success.You can counter it by saying that getting souls was never the point. The point was to minimize death and suffering. With Asgore's plan, only a single human dies every few decades, as opposed to billions of humans or untold numbers of monsters dying.
>>4014532>there are genuine cases where a couple needs to separate, either due to marrying too hastily or due to having fundamentally incompatible personalitiesThere are edge cases obviously, but divorce should only be considered for the sake of the children, or if there's adultery, or if your life is threatened, and even then only if every other option is exhausted.> Queen Victoria wasn't particularly bad and was in fact open-minded for her time.She was open minded in politics. All the writings I've ever heard described her as being cold hearted and often mean towards everyone except her husband, whom she adored. And then after he died she became even worse. I know she stated multiple times that she hated motherhood and felt like a cow whenever she was forced by duty to participate in it.
>>4014535Sounds like the monsters could have easily stomped mankind if the humans didn't have save and loading powersWhich means, shouldn't Racter gaining the power of save and load end with the destruction of the human race? Now the humans can't savescum until they win and the ultra powerful monsters have nothing stopping them from killing a single human and acquiring that power for themselves
>>4014534No, Toriel should have trusted and believed him. Its her duty as his wife to.
>>4014535>>4014532Honestly I think the hypothetical major turning point in the War that caused humanity to become hyper-bold and steamroll the Monsters happened whenever the Mages entered the fray. Humans that finally learned how to use magic from learning from the enemy probably acted as one man army generals that ensured very low risk for human casualties. Humans using magic, even if it was relaged to 6-7 humans also removed Monsterkind's main advantage in the war. As beings that are made of magic, monsters are super vulnerable to magic used against them, even moreso than regular attacks.Basically, having their own magic casters made the humans be way less cautious and slow in their advance against the monsters. Cracking the code on magic and being able to use it was their version of "get a human soul and we win!", albeit less urgent because they wouldve won regardless.
>>4014532>How does that work in the overworld?You ever play a strategy game with a quicksave feature?
>>4014540>alright tori, now hit the second tower>yes, goreyI think her "duty" has limits when that collides with reason.
>>4014541>6-7hehe, you said the funny number
>>4014540Ceroba...
>>4014539At a certain point I have to stop answering questions due to spoilers, but I can assure you I have taken these things into consideration.
>>4014533>Yes, but "I don't want to be married anymore" is not one of them. That commitment is for life. You can't just break it over petty emotion, not after taking such a serious vow, and especially not when children are involved. When kids are involved, you do whatever is necessary to stay together and give that child a proper upbringing. And how do you expect them to have a proper upbringing when their dad has gone full schizo mode talking about some fantasy land? You're making it sound like Toriel dumped his ass over nothing>Even if that means swallowing your emotions and putting on a happy face in a loveless marriage.I don't agree with this point at all, kids can tell when their parents don't love each other believe it or not>Practically speaking, yeah, he should. But morally speaking, he's doing the most moral thing he possibly could do, being so hopelessly devoted to his wife, even when he gets nothing but scorn in response. That only makes Toriel worse.Have you thought that Kris and Asriel might prefer if Asgore didn't humiliate himself at every chance he got? That maybe the morally correct thing here would be to listen what his children have to say on the matter?
>>4014543Nothing of what Asgore was doing was that bad. He was convinced Dess was still alive and was looking for her. That was a good thing he was doing and she should've been on board.But even if he were insane and wanting to do 9/11 to get Dess back, the proper thing to do is to get him mental help. Not to just kick him out and avoid him every chance she gets.>>4014545Ceroba would be the #1 best wife of all time if she were just a little less dumb.
>>4014548>the proper thing to do is to get him mental helpMaybe they tried but he refused since he knew what he saw on the dark world was real
>>4014541I think them gaining LV from the constant battling would be a bigger factor. Plus them becoming better equipped and organized while the monsters are constantly losing resources, numbers, and territory.Maybe Racter was just the spark that lit the powder keg and made the humans go on the offensive. Lit a fire under their ass and made them get moving.
>>4014546at least we got confirmation that the average monster in Oldentale is orders of magnitude stronger than Undyne The Undying
>>4014545I would say that Ceroba and Toriel make for interesting contrasts as two tragic (and shitty) mothers on the opposite end of the Husband loving spectrum.But to give Ceroba the benefit of the doubt, she seemed to be a pretty good mother right until Chudjin gave himself Integrity nigger aids and died. After that Roba's heartbreak probably gave her brain damage, and the rest is history. Damaged Goods Ceroba is probably a better mom than both UT and DR Toriel. If i was forced to choose i'd choose the fox to be my mom
>>4014017Quetzali unbirthing Valhttps://files.catbox.moe/2uplfe.png
>>4014539To be fair even if a monster absorbed a human soul the human soul could still rebel from the inside, which can lead to death in some scenarios, so the monsters couldn't really take advantage of a humans determination, unless the human soul in question was also okay with their power being used.
>>4014548>He was convinced Dess was still alive and was looking for her. That was a good thing he was doing and she should've been on board.I think he was probably going about it a bit less sane than you think, especially since we eventually see him talking about how he's going to show everyone the truth like a raging lunatic in chapter 4.Like, even if he was trying to do the right thing, he still could've stood to go about it in a way that didn't make him look insane.
>>4014553>https://files.catbox.moe/2uplfe.pngDon't insert your shitty fetish on a perfectly fine pregnancy piece
>>4014550Also who knows how much that war escalated. Who's to say the humans they were fighting didnt do a "Gonder calls for aid" at some point and rally other human tribes/nations to their side. It's pretty clear that there was only ONE Monster Kingdom, but probably numerous human civilizations
>>4014554So the monsters literally never had a chance?
>>4014547>And how do you expect them to have a proper upbringing when their dad has gone full schizo mode talking about some fantasy land?First of all, when he's been mentally sound his whole life and makes some good points about it, maybe you should listen to him. Second of all, if he is really crazy, you get him mental help. You don't just kick him to the curb. We can see how much damage that did to Kris. Fuck even the TV is traumatized from it.>, kids can tell when their parents don't love each other believe it or notYeah, but being in a divorced family is worse.>That maybe the morally correct thing here would be to listen what his children have to say on the matter?Have they said anything on the matter? If anything, it seems like Kris agrees with Asgore on getting back with Toriel, since he seems to long for that complete family too.
>>4014558Yes they always have and never will. It's part of what makes them so pitable and sympathetic imo.
>>4014550>I think them gaining LV from the constant battling would be a bigger factor. Plus them becoming better equipped and organized while the monsters are constantly losing resources, numbers, and territory.Undertale (XCOM edition)
>>4014549If he's not bad enough to get involuntarily committed then he's not that bad.>>4014555He didn't sound like a raging lunatic in chapter 4. He sounded desperate, but those aren't the same thing.
>>4014556Keep fighting the good fight, brother.
>>4014551What makes you think that?
>>4014562>He didn't sound like a raging lunatic in chapter 4. He sounded desperate, but those aren't the same thing.Okay, sorry, desperate.He sounded like a *desperate* lunatic.
>>4014554I imagine it depends on the strength of the monster and the soul in question.
>>4014564The fact that the monsters always had the chance to kill humans without any troubles, the save/load being their only impediment, without it mankind would have gone extinct in an afternoon
>>4014565He didn't sound like a lunatic at all. Especially not when he has physical proof of magic bullshit in his hand.
>>4014562>If he's not bad enough to get involuntarily committed then he's not that bad.You have no idea
>>4014567The average monster doesn't need to be that strong to kill a human. I've seen players die to common enemies in the ruins before. All it takes is somebody who sucks at dodging.I also never said the average monster could easily kill a human. Just that they would be more of a threat than the average monster in Undertale.
>>4014568>Especially not when he has physical proof of magic bullshit in his hand.I'm pretty sure that's just a weird crystal in the light world.And again, he *sounds* like a lunatic, it doesn't even matter that he's right, it's about how he comes off to other people.
>>4014569They let them out pretty quick. But if they're a threat to themselves or others, they do get at least a short stay in the looney bin. The problem is that they don't *stay* there. Society has no solution for people who are terminally crazy, since it no longer has places to permanently keep them.
>>4014571>I also never said the average monster could easily kill a human. Just that they would be more of a threat than the average monster in Undertale.Alright, so two monsters could easily kill a human then, and they outnumber humans by a factor of 10
>>4014572>I'm pretty sure that's just a weird crystal in the light world.Its exactly the same in the light world as it is in the dark.> he *sounds* like a lunaticAnd I say he doesn't. He doesn't sound crazy at all to me.
>>4014531>If Asgore crossed the Barrier early, he mightve gotten spawn killed lol.I remember some artist actually made concept art about something like this happening in an AU he made. Basically Asgore actually does what Toriel suggested and crossed the Barrier with only one Soul and tried to kill six more humans. However Asgore was instead defeated and killed by a human bounty hunter named Varik (yes that one, from the Halloween Hack) who did a uno reverse card and took Asgore's soul for himself. Varik would then enter the Underground and rule over the Monster Kingdom as it's new tyrant king, keeping monsterkind under his boot in order to prevent another innocent human from dying. Many years later, Frisk would fall down and eventually team up with Undyne (who is the leader of a rebel movement against Varik) in order to dethrone him from power.
>>4014556As someone that's okay with the fetish, I just want to throw it out there that I have nothing to do with this, and respect that not all pregnancy images are associated with it.
>>4014574I didn't say easily. I imagine it'd still be a hard fight, but a human probably would die if he went in a bunch of consecutive back to back battles against monsters with difficult patterns with no chance to heal.
Asgore's rant about parading the guy's body who made the Dark Fountains seems like a justified bout of anger from a broken and humiliated man that's a victim of the Dark Fountain bs. Asgore probably thinks that whoever made the Dark Fountains also killed Dess, it isnt just about it ruining his marriage you know.
>>4014579Realistically speaking, yeah, he's completely justified and never actually says anything wrong in the chapter until the very end. But the chapter bends over backwards to try and frame him as being in the wrong for that.
>>4014559I was writing a longer response but my browser got closedAsgore doesn't have any real proof of what went down in the dark world, he only has some piece of black tinted glass, also he was insane enough for him to get kicked from his job, in that case the entirety of Hometown failed him, not just Toriel>Yeah, but being in a divorced family is worse.Not always, sometimes it can be better if both parents move on but still show affection for their children>if anything, it seems like Kris agrees with Asgore on getting back with Toriel, since he seems to long for that complete family too.With Kris is hard to tell, but of course he would want things to go back to normal when his dad acts like that over the divorce
>>4014575>Its exactly the same in the light world as it is in the dark.Wrong, the flavor text for it in the light world says it's a piece of extremely hard glass, so again, not anything of note outside of a dark world.>And I say he doesn't. He doesn't sound crazy at all to me.Yeah, that's because you're the player, and you know what he's talking about.Think about applying this logic to another game with weird conspiratorial shit that you only learn about later on, like Deus Ex.If you listen to some of the NSF guys on your first playthrough, they sound completely out of it, but only later on you actually get to see what they're talking about, so you understand it better.But the guy talking about the statue attack being an inside job or the hobos talking about people being abducted and tested on still *sound* crazy, even when you know they're right, just because of how they carry themselves.That's what Asgore's got, he's a hobo singing "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" on the streets.
>>4014577
>>4014581>also he was insane enough for him to get kicked from his job,That was probably because Dess went missing, rather than because he went looking for her. >Not always, sometimes it can be better if both parents move on but still show affection for their childrenI can't think of a situation in which the parents act loving and don't do anything bad like fight, but the child would still be better off with single parents and a broken home.
>>4014582>Wrong, the flavor text for it in the light world says it's a piece of extremely hard glass, sThat's what it is in the dark world too.>If you listen to some of the NSF guys on your first playthrough, they sound completely out of it,You get red pilled about them in the first mission from their dialogue, the intro, the terminals, and the confrontation with their boss. Its very obvious the US is a police state with mass surveillance from the first mission.Also the hobo isn't part of the NSF, he's just a hobo.
>>4014584>I can't think of a situation in which the parents act lovingThat's the problem, you think they would act loving all the time when they don't like each other anymore
>>4014578still sounds like monsters could easily kill them since they outnumber humans so much
>>4014586>That's what it is in the dark world too.Okay, but you see the problem with that, right?If it's just hard glass in both worlds, then that means it's not immediately understandable as anything extraordinary, so no one in their right mind would consider it "evidence" of anything.Also, wrong again, the flavor text in the dark world calls it a "dagger-like shard of the black knife", while the light world flavor text calls it a "small chip of extremely hard glass". It's not the same thing in both worlds, you're just wrong about that.>You get red pilled about them in the first mission from their dialogue, the intro, the terminals, and the confrontation with their boss. Its very obvious the US is a police state with mass surveillance from the first mission.Yeah, it's obvious *something's* wrong, but you don't know about everything from the get go.>Also the hobo isn't part of the NSF, he's just a hobo.Well, the guy at the docks is an informant, so he's loosely affiliated.
>>4014589> so no one in their right mind would consider it "evidence" of anything.I think it being extremely hard and pitch black is something. It probably has other anomalous properties too, since its connected to the knight.> it's obvious *something's* wrongWhich clues you in that these NSF guys might have a point. Especially when they're stealing vaccine to give to the people.>the guy at the docks is an informant, so he's loosely affiliated.The guy at the docks isn't that one crazy hobo though. He's a pretty well composed guy.
>>4014588I can't tell if you're fucking with me right now.
>>4014588If one human child could pretty much wipe out the entire underground of monsters by their lonesome, it's highly unlikely the monsters would be able to beat humans with numbers.
>>4013811>Survey_Program_2 a quasi-remake of Deltarune with the expectations people had back when only Chapter 1 was out and some of the rumors going aroundIt's more so based on fan theories in general, regardless of when they were made. Though it is true earlier chapters' theories make up the bulk of them, since that's when we had the least amount of information and speculation was at its wildest.Otherwise, that's the idea, yeah. To reimagine what Deltarune might be like if some prevalent fan expectations were true.>>4014123For what it's worth, I don't consider SURVEY2 a Snoot Game analogue at all. I look at it more as an homage to fanfiction rather than attempting to be a better Deltarune.I'm not even sure I'd describe Unrelated (funny, I considered that name before going with this one) as a Snoot Game analogue. It only has similar characters to Deltarune, but otherwise seems mostly original.
>>4014591>I think it being extremely hard and pitch black is something.Regular glass can also be extremely hard and pitch black, depending on what exactly it is.Not obsidian or anything, that's actually very brittle, but something else.>It probably has other anomalous properties too, since its connected to the knight.Not that we ever get to see, so you can't count on that for when it comes to proving anything about the existence of the dark worlds.
>>4014592I'm intentionally being an asshole, I do think the dynamic between monsters and humans in Oldentale is too different from what we saw in Undertale
>>4014592I was gonna say I'd give it a 50/50 on him fucking with you, but it looks like that superposition just collapsed.
>>4014594It makes me wonder if Unrelated was just somebody's pet OC project that they arbitrarily are trying to shoehorn into a "Deltarune but good" game because of the new chapter being so bad.
>>4014595>Not obsidian or anything, that's actually very brittle, but something else.Hell, maybe get a geologist to examine. I'm sure this weird fantasy glass would baffle them. That might be enough to get someone to at least hear him out.
>>4014596>I do think the dynamic between monsters and humans in Oldentale is too different from what we saw in UndertaleWell if it were too similar I wouldn't have a game. I have to make some changes for the sake of being able to tell a story at all.
>>4014599What if it turns out to be black bulletproof glass or some other mundane material?
>>4014599Maybe?It could also be something entirely naturally occurring, just uncommon. So far, everything we've seen in the dark worlds has had some explainable light-world counterpart, like the shadow crystals being shards of glass, so it's not out of the question the black shard may be something normal too, just something Kris can't immediately identify.
>>4014601If it is then Toby's a hack for backtracking the black shard being this weird anomalous object that exists in both worlds.
>>4014603NTA, but insofar as we know, it's just hard black glass in the light world, not something inherently anomalous in its own right.
>>4014602The shadow crystals aren't just glass though, even if they look like it. They retain their anomalous properties of letting you see the unseen. The black shard's property is being made of that super tough knight material that cuts darkness, and its the same in both worlds.
>>4014605Its called the black shard in both worlds, that counts for quite a lot.
>>4014606>The shadow crystals aren't just glass though, even if they look like it. They retain their anomalous properties of letting you see the unseen.Yes, but it's still glass with an odd property, and a property that can only be discerned upon close examination, so it's not something that would immediately stand out to anyone in the light world without you somehow being able to convince them to take a look at this random piece of street glass really closely.>The black shard's property is being made of that super tough knight material that cuts darkness, and its the same in both worlds.Yes, but what that actually means is very different in each world.In the dark world, it's a larger object that can be used as a weapon, but in the light world, it's so small that the flavor text doesn't even call it a shard, it calls it a *chip* of hard dark glass, which isn't as immediately noteworthy, especially since it's already harder to break smaller concentrated pieces of materials like that anyway.The point is, Asgore having that isn't definitive proof of anything to anyone, not from the perspective of someone who believes the world is entirely normal and grounded, like most people in DR do.*We* know better because of our unique relationship to DR's world, but to anyone *in* that world, Asgore seems crazy.
>>4013918Clover unbirthed by Dina...
>>4014608>but it's still glass with an odd property,No, it *looks* like glass, but its not. Very key difference. >Yes, but what that actually means is very different in each world.I don't think it does. I think its merely a change in how Kris looks at it based on the world that he's in, while the object itself remains the same.>, it's a larger object that can be used as a weapon, but in the light world, it's so small that the flavor text doesn't even call it a shard, But its still named that, and you still use it as a weapon. If its big enough to be used as a weapon, then that's pretty sizable.
>>4014610>>4014608It even does the same +16 damage in both worlds. Another point towards it being exactly the same in both worlds.
>>4014610>But its still named that, and you still use it as a weapon.In the dark world.Not the light world.That has been the crux of this entire conversation thus far.
>>4014611>Another point towards it being exactly the same in both worlds.Yes, one point on that side, and about a million points against due to the game explicitly describing it as being a small chip of glass in the light world instead of the dagger it is in the dark world.This is stupid, I'm done with this.
>>4014613Anon, its still named blackshard in the light world. It has the same stats too.
>>4014614The description clashes with the name and stats and the knight being strong enough to overpower Undyne in the light world. The easiest explanation is that the description is simply using less fantastic words to describe the same idea, because the light world's narration is more mundane. The black shard probably isn't quite a dagger in the dark world either, but just gets considered that by the fantasy of the world.
>>4014615Yeah, and?The pencils are still equippable weapons.The blackshard having the same damage value could just be due to it being a sharp piece of glass, not because it's still the actual weapon we see it as in the dark world.
>>4014618If its a sharp piece of glass then its more than just a small chip. Which is evidence towards the description being inaccurate. A glass chip is hardly the size of a finger nail. Not big enough to hold and swing around. And a tiny chip also wouldn't do much damage, definitely less than a pencil.
>>4014618>Yeah, and?And its not called "black chip" or "glass chip" its called "BlackShard" exactly like its called in the dark world. No other item does this.
>>4014619>If its a sharp piece of glass then its more than just a small chip.Size has very little to do with sharpness.>And a tiny chip also wouldn't do much damage, definitely less than a pencil.That depends entirely on where you put it.
>>4014621>Size has very little to do with sharpness.It has a lot to do with your ability to hold it and use it as a weapon. A chip would just stick in you and make a skin deep hole. You wouldn't be able to seriously injure someone with it, which that +16 damage number seems to contradict.>That depends entirely on where you put it.Well a pencil applied to the same places is going to do more damage, on account of its much greater length and superior grip purchase.
>>4014622A pencil's only better if you're stabbing.Anyone who knows what they're doing would use it to slice open the surface of the tissue like with a scalpel, somewhere around a major artery, in the throat or thigh or something to that effect.
>>4014623With a piece of glass the size of a fingernail? I think stabbing with a pencil would do more damage and would be much easier. Something that small is going to be hard to hold, which combined with the precise actions you'd need to do to deal serious damage with it means it wouldn't be useful in a fight, meaning in a fight the pencil would deal more damage.
>>4014624>With a piece of glass the size of a fingernail?You'd be surprised.Hold it like a guitar pick and you're good to go.
>>4014625A guitar pick is bigger than a fingernail, by quite a wide margin. That's something you'd do with a *shard* of glass, not a chip.Here's a picture of what glass chips look like. They're absolutely tiny. You're not gonna have the grip to swing this thing around in a fight.
>>4014626>>4014625Thinking about it now, if you held one of these like a guitar pick, it wouldn't even get past the tip of your finger, meaning you wouldn't be able to cut anything with it. You'd just end up sliding your finger across it harmlessly.
>>4014626Depends on what we feel like counting as a "chip" of glass.Some of these are on the bigger side, and pointier too.Yeah, okay, this is just ridiculous at this point, later.
>>4014628>this is just ridiculous at this point,right back at you. Nothing chip sized would make a practical weapon, so the black shard's description must not reflect its size. It seems ridiculous to me that you would still adamantly claim it does.
>>4014633Buddy, it's 3:30 am, and you're arguing about the size of glass pieces to try and make a man talking to himself about how he's gonna show everyone the truth seem not crazy.Give it a rest.
>>4014635Whatever, I still say you're wrong, but it doesn't seem like this argument is going anywhere, so I guess we may as well quit now.
>wake up>200 posts wasted on random bullshitI don't know what I expected.
In other news, new FRIEND lore
>>4014581He wasn't kicked from his job, he quit himself because he couldn't solve the case. In chapter 1 the newspaper clipping about it holds him in a very high regard, it says that it will be tough for Undyne to match his legacy
>>4014659ERAM refight for Chapter 6 is my prediction.
