It's been about a couple weeks since Chapter 5's release. Has this affected any fangames in any way? Was it that much of a nothingburger?Are you developing a fangame? Post progress!
DRY update so far, I think around 30-40% of the mandatory light world segment before the dark world for day 3 is doneit might still take a while to actually finish the chapter but progress is happening (after being in a slump for about a month prior to this)I need to draw a lot of sprites though, so this might take a while longer than expected but hopefully day 3 can still be complete before the year ends
>>4013759Always a pleasure to see more of your work, Gizmo’s expressions are looking really nice.Here’s hopping for a smooth development.
>>4013757Let’s discuss other ways which Chujin could fulfill his dreams of a boss monster army.
Why did you genoslide the thread? Couldn't you wait to let it die naturally?
>>4013759Good God anon, I wish I could work as fast as you do, your progress is insane
>>4013757>christian ceroba larp account made this month made by a “HMOFAfag” has this to say about pornI didn’t know glowies were aware about the existence of HMOFA and Ceroba until now
>>4013759Gizmo's head tilt sprite reminds me of Yi a bit. Keep up the good work, dry1anon
>>4013759That looks great! Looking forward to it. A whole chapter within roughly a year is incredible work, and I mean it. It's inspired me to keep up my writing more seriously.>>4013766The LARPing on Twitter is interesting. There's a war between chuds and wokescolds, one of the latter being a filipino LARPing as Clover but also ERPing with people on that account. He's now being trolled relentlessly.
>>4013789It seems like a full out troll war because the Clover was posted to InsaneCope, which really excited him. Everyone involved is insane in some way, but I don’t know how you can identify as a based tradcath anti porn whatever but be a HMOFAfag for Ceroba. Almost everyone that identifies as a HMOFA enjoyer and likes Ceroba has some weird fetish
>>4013792>has some weird fetishIs this really the case? I know my own tastes are very mild but she seems like she'd attract a lot of people into vanilla lovey dovey stuff
>>4013792>Almost everyone that identifies as a HMOFA enjoyer and likes Ceroba has some weird fetishAlmost, maybe, but it is still possible to like the character without being a fetishist, so he could be honest. She's basically an assertive tradwife after all. I don't use the site so I can't see how well they stay in character, or if they are mirroring the typical Tumblrite who assigns weird identities and ideologies to characters even on a "Ask X anything" blog. I'm just going to get some popcorn and enjoy the memes that come out of this.
I don't care about any of this. Anyone have more news besides DRY1anon
>>4013757Someone mentioned some Weaver art of Netskie in the previous thread, can someone link it?
>>4013797nothing fun but some of the things in the pause menu were misaligned so i got them fixed
>>4013805Looks just like Deltarune's inventory screen, unless there's something I'm missing.>KiaosSo whats the meaning of this name?
Hello anons of utdr fangames, newfag here.I have been lurking in those threads for about 2 months now and I don't have the best grasp of what all of the projects anons here do. I have seen DRY discussions, some mentions about Oldentale, but is that as far as my knowledge goes. Is there some list that contains general info about them?If there isn't, could you tell me about them?
>>4013807the soul and bradley's name sprite were misaligned because his name is a bit too long as a default name sprite, and the soul had an incorrect offset when hovering over kioas so i got both of those fixed so now everything looks awesomesauce and tobycorehis name is just a portmanteau of kiosk and chaos, which is kiiiind of a joke since he's as non-lethal as it gets but i just chose it 'cause i thought it sounded cool, im not very good at names
>>4013809There's also Naranja (Orang soul fangame)Geltarune >>4013805 features a funny greym'n named bradly with a porple soulSurvey_Program_2 a quasi-remake of Deltarune with the expectations people had back when only Chapter 1 was out and some of the rumors going around (to my knowledge).There's also at least two DRYs.Someone has a link that has links to all the game (I think), and if I forgot any someone could chime in.
>>4013811Theres also that anon who said hes working on "UTYR"That said he should have something to show us this month
>>4013809Like the other anon said, we have multiple fangames in Development>Deltarune YellowThe fangame with the most progress so far, pretty much the UTY cast but on the Deltarune world, follow the adventures of Cole (Delta!Clover) and Kanako, it already has two chapters released and you can find it on gamejolt>OldentaleTakes place during the human monster war, you play as a common monster that somehow got hold of a human soul>NaranjaTake on the orange human soul, play as a DBZ obssesed kid, focus on combat and has platforming mechanics, it also has a short demo you can find on the fanworks archive>SURVEY_2Deltarune but if most of the fan theories were true, basically a retelling of the game>Deltarune Yellow 2A different take on DRY, at one point DRY1 was cancelled and this game took the mantle until DRY1anon came back>GeltarunePlay as a wagie human on the Deltarune world who has to close a dark fountain on his McDonald'sThere's also a few other anons who pop here from time to time with their projects, but they aren't as active as the devs mentionedHere's the fanworks archive if you're interested in any of the fanfics/greentext people have written, also the only place where you can find the Naranja demohttps://rentry.org/mtt-fan-works
>>4013816>Shattered Gold updated in aprilChrist, I really *really* need to get back to writing it don't I?
>>4013817Get on it anon! Get on it so that It looks even worse how much I've put my story off!
>>4013821Which one? Also I'm currently drawing something.
>>4013811>There's also at least two DRYsyou know, i've been wondering for a good while seeing these threads. what is this whole deal with the DRY1 and DRY2 stuff?
>>4013823tl;dr:>DRYanon1 canceled for a bit>DRYanon2 took some sprites to make his own>DRYanon1 came back after people encouraged him to just put out what he had
>>4013822Best in me and fox's court. I didnt really register how long it had been until you brought it up.>spoilersNice, is it something the thread will be able to witness or something outside of that scope?
>>4013829Oh nice, I'm actually reading both of those lol.It's deltarune related. A netskie chick
>>4013830Nice, I'm gonna push in the coming weeks to have chapters again if nothing crazy happens again And also>spoiler nice
>>4013093>>4013104>Facial ExpressionsI'm reading back through, and I believe you have the right of it. I mostly use the redness of Kanako's blush to communicate how flustered she is, but I have the rest of the body and face to work with. I'll revisit the lewd scenes and see what I can come up with.>ChangesI added the bit about the Foxy Chef apron as something fun and to create some narrative spacing, and the bit at the end where Ceroba comforts Kanako and gives her a kiss on the head to soften the transition between the hallway and the bedroom. I had received feedback on the first draft that there was something awkward in the opening scene and that was my attempt to rectify it. If the 1st reviewer is reading this, I hope that addressed the concern. I know I didn't change any dialogue and just added more, but that's usually how I fix something that feels awkward. There's usually a missing note, rather than a sour note, at least in my experience. That, or I scrap the entire scene and take it in a different direction, lol.I also changed the ritual to have the door closed, rather than open, also at the first reviewer's suggestion. And I fixed some formatting that I botched, where all the italics got dropped from the rentry.>FoxlaceUsing her as an emotional lever came from my experience playing DRY and being a bit let down by her getting a little cutscene in the lead-up to Bearing's fight, but very little in the way of acknowledgement from Kanako. No shade to DRY Anon, but I also felt like Kanako didn't have anywhere near enough of the shonen protag mentality to shrug off near-death experiences in the darkworld like Susie does in DR, so I modified her accordingly. I didn't feel like Cole would, either, and so the scene was born.
>>4013093>>4013108>CompromiseI continue to be extremely relieved that I didn't go through with the prototype of this fic. I was going to write it such that Cole and Kanako were already at the point of being comfortable with sex, and I had Kanako's don't-get-caught ritual written before I took a step back and thought "wait a minute, isn't this a fucking waste? How am I going to progress from here???"Progression is something I keep in my mind whenever I'm writing; that, and how I can explore different facets of an idea. The original idea was all gasoline, no control. Amusingly, what prompted me to think about this was looking at my text doc with future lewds in it. Namely, it was the Nine Sols Yi X Goumang fic that I want to do.>I would have written her response a little differently to be more in line with what I know of her character.The other reviewer also critiqued Ceroba, saying that she felt flat. The passage you wrote gave me an idea though, and I'm going to see if I can make it work out. Thank you very much for sending that my way.Also, the condom/gun protection joke is 100% going in, that's gold.>I really do want to write as well as you and will be using this as a reference.Thank you very, very much for the compliment, and for all the other praise. It means the world that I can give something to people.I also caught the second weekly thread's comments at the end.>>>/v/742698309>>/v/742698548Thank you both for reading, and for the compliments. And... it really was my first go at this. When I was finished with the fic, I was pleased enough with the result to post it, but I got some stage fright when the time came to commit, and I suppose that admission was my way of shielding my heart. What if this thing I'm really happy with is SHIT and CRINGE because I'm out of touch with what gets people going?But that wasn't the case, and I hope to make more things that people like and are inspired by.
>>4013840For fucks sake, I screwed up the last link, and I'm stuck on the "You must wait longer to delete this post" screen, so I can't fix it. I'll just put it here:>>>/v/742698548
>>4013839>If the 1st reviewer is reading this, I hope that addressed the concernI havent been able to read the updated version yet, but I'll set aside time this week for doing that and reading that other anons lewd fic soon as I can. I also need to get both added to the librarby so Ill make sure I get it done this week and no later I'll be listing yours by itself until others pick up on who you are.>>4013840> Nine Sols Yi X Goumang fic that I want to I kneel, your power is too great.Will that one be uploaded anywhere or will I need to keep an eye out on those threads to hopefully catch it?
>>4013839>>4013840NTA but are you partners anon?
>>4013832Well, here it is. Not the best pic ever but I liked the design of these critters. Also obligatory edit because it's me we are talking about.https://files.catbox.moe/y0b04g.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/nba614.png
>>4013846>I like you lightnerSo she's telling me... ive got a chance
>>4013843Well, a Nine Sols fic is certainly off-topic, but we've long had some cross-over in these threads. Amusingly, this has manifested in this very thread with >>4013785So I'll post it here, and try to post it to a Nine Sols thread if I can find one. I'm also intending to post one more draft of Cracking Open a Kanacoke here and then take it to Ao3.
>>4013846She should disquise as Chujin and pay a visit to the 'Roba
>>4013848Hope dies last, anon
>>4013846Pretty nice boobies on that fop
>>4013845pic related...but not really, 'cause I knew the secret wasn't long for this world. I had neither the time nor the inclination to mask my typing style in replies, and using the present-tense is a dead giveaway, to say nothing of my other uncommon stylistic choices. I was just a bit shy about doing NSFW and having it be associated with my gen fic that's almost two years old now. Especially if the NSFW was bad.I'm gonna make a pseud to post lewds to, but the jig is up, and has probably been up for a while, and I won't ask anyone to pretend otherwise.
Reposting Wiki hooves, for anyone who missed it and wants to see it.Wiki showing off her hooves: https://files.catbox.moe/vmlyxg.pngAnd here's an alt with (you) rubbing your cock on them, to her surprise: https://files.catbox.moe/tyw6b8.png
>>4013839>>4013840Cheers! I'm glad I was able to be a decent critic since I've learned firsthand how important that can be to the writing process. I've been trying to get my friend who's not (yet) a DRY fan to review my stuff and while he's been of help, he's dragging his feet when it comes to finishing it. No worries, since I know he'll get to it and I've critiqued his own work before.Should I quickly rush to finish Nine Sols to know the story before reading your work? It's a game I already want to play; on the other hand, I would lose the valuable perspective of an outsider not knowing the context of the world. Well, it's valuable only if the story is on the longer side.>>4013855>I was just a bit shy about doing NSFW and having it be associated with my gen fic that's almost two years old now.See, this is why it's best to write self-indulgent works like smut first and then graduate to more serious content. I understand that feeling completely. Was there anything in particular that inspired the NSFW scenes, or was it more just thinking of "this is really hot and also probably what they would try"?>>4013846The expressions on her snoot are great and I like the little details like her chest fluff.
>>4013866>https://files.catbox.moe/tyw6b8.pngI really like the idea of a girl like her having little "micro bleats". When she's surprised there, it's the briefest subtle bleat, maybe right before she speaks.
The Always Trustable Normalet
>>4013744>Perhaps, but more so that I found it to be kinda hot myself. Just the idea of sex while constricted, or the milking part?>If anything it is just a more extreme form of cuddling and a logical conclusion to constriction.Perhaps.>And knowing your desire for comfort, it fit in perfectly well.I'm not entirely sure I would consider such a thing to be "comforting", as such, but I appreciate the attempt.>The milking part was merely a distraction which lowered your guardIf it had lowered my guard, I'd have noticed it less.
>>4013877There should be a chance of this thing replacing normal Martlet in DRY for a single scene
>>4013871I could see that.I'm not sure what I imagine her speaking voice to sound like, other than potentially being similar to Toriel's in certain aspects, but I feel like her occasionally making noises like that would be cute.
Clover/Cole if he met GG!Underfell Sans:
>>4013896my favorite idea is that all the "ooough you're such horrible people for killing someone morally bankrupt" stuff falls flat on cole and kanako>flowey realizes that he's not dealing with another pacifist frisk or the fun gang>GG!fell sans takes extra karma damage himself>other DT potential villains end up eating shit as they get cut off during their speeches about how you're achually just like them if you kill them.>ends off with cole and kanako coming back to DRY at level 15 with no mood change because every kill was justified.
>>4013759So far from my impressions of DRY, Gizmo is basically "Berdly if Toby didnt hate him and have him get cucked by the Yuri agenda". Did I get that right? Given how you guys seem to ship him with Sadie (who is similarish to Noelle) and Melody (who is similarish to Susie), it readlly does seem that he's basically "Berdly if he got game"
>>4013762I thought the Chujin mpreg discussions from last thread were suppose to be jokes... also were's the rest of the image?
>>4013757>Has this affected any fangames in any way?On a first impression, I felt like my ideas got completely untouched by canon this time.But after two weeks of reflection, my story has some subtle and spooky parallels to what happened there.Which only fuels my neurosis about how Toby is beaming thoughts into my mind.
>>4013899>"Berdly if Toby didnt hate him and have him get cucked by the Yuri agenda". Did I get that right?No I'd say that Gizmo is a nerd but not via insecurity or a desire to prove something/get attention like berdly.>Sadie (who is similarish to Noelle)I'd say that they are pretty different. Noelle is Neurotic as fuck with much more neglectful parentage. Sadie is almost shockingly laid back and lackadaisical about things.>and Melody (who is similarish to Susie)I can see this one though.
>>4013899Nah they're distinctive characters though they're both nerds who like games. Berdly is smarmy and tries to prop himself up because of his esteem issues, however he can. Gizmo cares only about gaming, but arcade games specifically, and is a bit more like a kid in that sense. He isn't completely simple, but he is refreshing.He's best friends with Sadie similarly to how Kanako is best friends with Cole, but Sadie is very different from Noelle in a lot of ways. If anything Kanako is slightly more similar to Noelle due to her tendency to freak out, but Sadie is chill and probably has helped Kanako calm down all throughout childhood. We don't know enough about Melody to make a direct comparison to Susie, but they are both bullies.
>>4013898iirc section 4 is a link to the past and it takes place on the part where link goes in to rescue zelda from the guards, so, if we assume that the section 4's boss is the guy who's guarding whoever they captured in this scenario (in section 4, noelle is the one kidnapped while in alttp it's normally zelda), that guy is gonna get shot for kidnapping someone.besides, given how even geno clover is willing to let some people go (such as martlet), then it wouldnt matter if there are "oh yeah, what are you gonna do with this guy huh!?" scenarios, because cole would just let them go.>section 2, oblit. esque route (kanako also kills the girl that knocks (you) out in canon btw)>ness and paula jump in as cole and kanako approach the gray door, right before the battle begins, however...>"W-Wait, we didn't do anything wrong! why are you two attacking us?" kanako says.>"You've killed all of those animals on the way here!" Paula says.>"you mean the weird magic plants and stuff trying to maul us? like, urgh, there were dozens of them, how do you guys live with so many hostile creatures around!?" Kanako>"But they were possessed by giygas! We could've-" paula says, interrumpted.>"Who's giygas?" Cole asks.>"interdimensional being influencing people's minds into becoming evil creatures that attack people and create cults that sacrifice people, who is going to destroy the world in the future and i only know this because a fly from the future told me so?" ness explains.>"...">"W-Well, what about the blue guys!?" Paula says.>"You mean the guys who threw paint onto the river, painted the trees with blue, and literally planned to sacrifice paula?" cole says.>"the first one literally started a fight to the death because i questioned the ethics of their plans!" Kanako adds.>"umm..." Paula says.>"I nearly died because a crazy bitch hit me on the head with a pan!" Cole says.
>>4013905nta but I like some of the ideas with sadie being a bit "too reserved" or calm about things, and while she probably helped Kanako a lot like you said with her freak outs, the thought that maybe sadie could use some help from her friend in a flipsided way is appealing. Like Without Kanako, Sadie could just fall into the background and not really let herself feel anything
>>4013906>"i had to take him to the hospital, i didnt even know if he was gonna survive... so dont blame me for attacking her after she attacked my childhood best friend!" kanako says with tears.>"umm... wow... i-" ness says, rethinking the whole plan.>"what about the sanctuary guardian!?" Paula says.>"You mean the weird bloody mole guy?" Cole says.>"...huh, you've got a point, i didnt grasp how messed up the enemies around are." Paula says.>"screw this, lets just say the mole did it and call it a wrap. Sorry for the inconveniences, the stories we heard made you guys sound more violent than you really were. " Ness says.>ness and paula walk away, letting cole and kanako through
>>4013906>>4013908>section 4>link tries stopping cole and kanako>K: "oh my god. NO. we are not doing this!">link looks confused>K: "you are the hero of this world, right?">link nods>K: "and THAT" kanako points to ganon's corpse "is the guy trying to destroy the world, right?">link nods again>K: "so we did you a favor and there is no reason to fight us, right?">link pauses for a moment>C: "(kanako lets just go before he comes to a decision)">K: "(good idea)"
>>4013899The thing is, Berdly does in fact have game. The problem is the only two women he's swooning over are dykerotted in the brain, as Toby has decreed. Noelle is clearly projecting some weird freudian shit on Susie because she reminds her of her older sister Dess, and Susie is just genuinely dumb and starved for affection that she's just happy that anyone would ever want to be in a relationship with her. Like im pretty sure if Kris wasnt such a mouth-shut pussy and just said how he felt Susie wouldve accepted that confession with as much earnestness. In Susie's mind she just assumes Kris wants to keep things at a friend level so I honestly can't even blame her.
>>4013766As corny as this shit is, I did enjoy asking whoever tf is running that account a few anonymous questions to goad reactions. I still think it's dumb to make a depressed middle aged widow have the views and slang of a modern twitter chud. Chujin was the tech savvy chud of the family that was legitimately racist, Ceroba is probably very tech illiterate and innocent about the nature of the Internet. So yeah they shouldve just made a Chujin Larp Account instead.
>>4013911She's not middle-aged, she's about 30 at the oldest, considering she was a schoolmate of the Feisty Five. She just seems older because of her life experiences.
>>4013911>So yeah they shouldve just made a Chujin Larp Account instead.would probably get a fifth of the engagement sine Ceroba is so popular, though whatever this one was didn't even pop up on my art feeds (which is good honestly, I'd rather not have clutter like that). Also they are 10 times worse than us about responding to shitposts out there holy shit."I'm going to own the chuds by giving them CONSTANT engagement." amazing plan really.
>>4013913Yeah the entire reason all these Right Wing UT/DR larp accounts are popping up on twitter is because years of leftists being snarky and saying "erm how the hell are you a fan and not a leftist? you're so weird!" or "why are you a fan? Toby clearly hates you and your views you illiterate chud. GTFO!" have boiled over. Also it seems, like you said, the leftist majority fandom keep feeding these guys. Like the fandom is incredibly easy to ragebait lol. I can't say the fandom doesnt deserve this, they've genuinely been obnoxious as hell and obsessed with gender/indenity politics in every facet of the game. I think the UT/DR fandom has forgotten how much of a Normie appeal Undertale had and how many of the people who got the game were silent majority straight white dudes who enjoyed the game but were too embarrassed to talk about it. A decent portion of those normies definitely evolved (or depending on your views, devolved) into being way more right wing in the past decade. But because of echochambers and Toby being so nice and pandering towards them (mostly to not get lynched by them) they just assume the franchise is theirs and theirs alone.
>>4013910>The problem is the only two women he's swooning over are dykerotted in the brainnot to mention that the third guy that berdly was willing to choose as a last resort for (kris) wasnt even given the chance to agree to go out with berdly
Hey, librarby anon, if you're around, I have another question for you regarding how you may have envisioned things with that "Polynesian sex" green, or rather for the image I'm making based on it.How much of a size difference do you imagine there being between Wiki and the anon in this context?The image I'm making is from the perspective of the anon himself, so it won't be super apparent straight away, but the size difference between the two may be seen in the size of their hands, or other certain places, and I wanted to know if you had any personal preference for how big Wiki ought to be in comparison to the average anon, mostly because I don't have any terribly strong preferences myself one way or the other.
Hey guys, Martlet Drawanon here!It's been quite a whilewith me working on requests whenever I could.But I'm happy to finally be able to post the finished requests from the list I got.I had a lot of fun working on these ones!So without further ado, here's the images for your viewing.Wiki from Oldentale asking you to take it easy on her.You have several options on how you can proceed.Still getting a feel for her, but I think I have a general idea on how I'd like to draw her.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/sz0d0d.pngDRY Kanako making sure Cole makes it up to her.Cole doesn't have a choice in the matter.Tried drawing with perspective in this image.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/an9zx0.pngNude Martlet on the beach.I got a fair number of requests asking for a nude Martlet, but they were pretty vague.So I drew a nude Martlet in a place I thought was fitting, in this case a beach.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/k4rxx0.pngDRY Cole sandwiched between Kanako and Sadie's breasts.While being asked which side feels better to him.I haven't really drawn many images with several characters in them like this.So this was a nice change of pace and I very much enjoyed drawing it all out.You can view it here:https://files.catbox.moe/trubkt.pngIstill have two or three requests that are wips from the last list I got.However I'm comfortabletakingsome new requests, so feel free to send them my way!
>>4013918As one of the people who was critical of how you drew her last time, this feels a lot better, much more immediately registers as being Wiki.Good job on this one.
>>4013917I'm thinking something like 1.3 times the size of an adult male I think?maybe a bit more. It's hard for me to nail down exactly, but her torso should be able to encompass his torso where he could genuinely lay his face on her or have her lay on her and not be hanging off. Sorry I should probably actually practice finding the words for this for writings sake but it's something I can clearly envision but am having a hard time depicting.Big hands but if you can't lace your fingers between hers then what's the point?
>>4013918Pregnant Luzma or Quetzali pleasethose gals need to become mothers too
>>4013918>that yaranaika soulOk that got me. Good stuff anon.
>>4013918Glad to see you again, and overall great stuff. The trio image with Cole, Sadie, and Kanako is by far my favourite of this batch.
>>4013920Alright, think I've got a decent idea of what you mean.I'm hoping to have the sketch done tonight, since it's hardly the most complicated thing in the world, but I may spend some time making it look a bit more dynamic before moving on to the lineart.
>>4013918You didn't need to go this hard on some of the requests goddamn.
>>4013918As one of the other anons who criticized your last Wiki drawing, I agree that she looks closer to the Wiki we know and loveAlso that pic with Sadie and Kanako is really hot, I think that Martlet pic is your hottest one so far>>4013921Quetzali already has one with her pregnant, Luzma would be nice
>>4013918And I forgot to mention but I really like how your improved your poses, they are much more varied now
>>4013924>Alright, think I've got a decent idea of what you mean.either way I look forward to it, it's cool that something I wrote has stuck in your mind for you to draw like that.
>>4013918First of, all hot stuff, you blew it out of the park, especially with that Martlet pic.As for my request Pacifist Clover meets Bird Clover, or Zenith Bird Clover.
>>4013928>either way I look forward to itThank you, I hope to complete it soon enough.>it's cool that something I wrote has stuck in your mind for you to draw like that.Of course, it was a pretty good green, definitely catered to some of my tastes.I also still want to draw something based on that Ceroba/Anon Valentine's day green, but I find linear time to still be an issue. I think I need to fix my sleep schedule again, get more hours out of the day, never enough time.
>>4013918Clover pov before he's unbirthed by Martlet or Zenith Martlet.
>>4013931>spoilersone day I would absolutely love to see that, but I get it, though I've felt productivity has been low for me since I've been waking up early to deal with work. I find the actual ideas seem to hit me around 3 am but that's probably because distractions have all fallen asleep.here's to hoping you get the rest and energy you need either way.
>>4013918You've really improved a lot from the last requests, and it's cool to see you trying out new poses and perspectives.This is probably in my opinion the best Martlet you've drawn so far.
>>4013916It's kinda funny how it seems Toby hates Yaoifags and barely panders to them, especially in Ch 5. The long standing Nicepants crackship since 2015 has been shot dead in the water (good). Kris x Berdly (which is just Yaoi with extra steps) is actively being sabatouged, so people who have conceded on Suselle can't even have their consolation prize of getting hitched with Berdly. And the only actually gayship we have is between a retarded cowboy and fruity ass black man in a dress, which people are pretending to love for the woke points even if most yaoifags would never touch a black dude with a 20 ft pole. On that note, is there any UT/DR fangame or whatever that has ever done a Gay relationship between two dudes decently? I'm legitimately curious.
>>4013933Yeah, I'm gonna see if I can do something about my speed after this, do some experiments.I did that one Racter image recently in just a few hours, with barely any real plan going into it, so if I can just figure out how to work like that for my more serious images, while retaining some decent quality, I think I'd be satisfied for a bit.I have ideas, I can see them so clearly in my head, I just need to go faster.
>>4013935Don't forget now "hints" that Ralsei might be trans, thus taking away one of the few gay "icons" the game has.>On that note, is there any UT/DR fangame or whatever that has ever done a Gay relationship between two dudes decently? I'm legitimately curious.I think one of the ones from Gamejolt had something but I don't recall which it was, I also remember some anon commented on making something like that once.
>>4013937>Yeah, I'm gonna see if I can do something about my speed after this, do some experiments.honestly that's probably the best way to get better at drawing. I mean it's effectively just a different kind of drawing study right? >so if I can just figure out how to work like that for my more serious images, while retaining some decent quality, I think I'd be satisfied for a bit.I imagine that will come with the more often you do said studies and stuff, you already come across as faster than what I remember when i first came to these threads. though luzma still seems to be your muse with how quick her images come to life.
>>4013935>On that note, is there any UT/DR fangame or whatever that has ever done a Gay relationship between two dudes decently?I have no idea, there was one (purple soul I think?) fangame that had a gay relationship between a crow monster and a cat(?) monster and that was it, but that game is dead/in development hell as far as I can recall.If the fandom can't produce such a pairing, then one of the fangames here might have to step up and fulfill that role
>>4013940>Don't forget now "hints" that Ralsei might be transI really do think this is a case of everyone looking too far for something they want to happen (one way or the other)
>>4013918There's an anon who's written a story with a character named Valrayn, which is Zenith Martlet but she's in the pacifist timeline.I'd like to request you draw her in a solo image, it can be nsfw or sfw. Better yet you can draw her interacting with bird Clover and seeing her reaction to learning the kind of connection she has with Clover in that world.
>>4013940>Don't forget now "hints" that Ralsei might be trans, thus taking away one of the few gay "icons" the game has.NTA, but I hate that so fucking much its unreal, I remember joking that Ralsus could be canon if they made Ralsei turn trans, thus circumventing Toby's yuri fetish, and now that seems like a real possibility.I also joked about Toby making the blue flower a black man in a tutu, I should stop with these jokes.
>>4013918Pregnant Kanako. I'm kind of surprised you haven't drawn her pregnant yet.
>>4013940I really hate how monkey's paw-y Toby is sometimes. Like I remember watching that one foid's video that spearheaded the entire "trans ralsei" theory idea back during the CH 3 + 4 release and was rolling my eyes the entire time. "Ha what a stupid and fringe theory meant to pander to her troon xisters" I thought, and now they much more fuel and their shitty ass theories are becoming mainstream. For the record the "Ralsei is Trans" evidence is still pretty flimsy but it has more going for it than the straw grasping of the CH 3 + 4 era. Pink and light blue will forever by tained by retardation. Let's not forget pink and light blue are Kris's darkworld colors. If anything Ralsei's fondness for those colors are more a tell of how much of a Kris simp he is desu. Flowery's "dont you like serving humans" line also implies that Ralsei is kind of slave-ishly dedicated to Kris.
>>4013943>I really do think this is a case of everyone looking too far for something they want to happen (one way or the other)As an anon who doesn't try to look too hard into things, there's a few worrying hints through the game, like one of Ralsei's inventory statuses referring to him as "they" or Ralsei wearing a dress, among other things that I can't remember right now.
>>4013941>honestly that's probably the best way to get better at drawing. I mean it's effectively just a different kind of drawing study right? Yes, likely, though more of a general kind than a specific study, which is annoying, as I'd wanted to do more specific kinds of studied before too long, but everything keeps getting pushed back.Form, detail, lighting, dynamics, and speed. I must improve these. I feel myself growing stagnant again.>you already come across as faster than what I remember when i first came to these threads.Perhaps, but I still feel as though I progress too slowly. Far too long spent on the sketching phase, and for things that still look too stiff.>spoilerYes, mostly because she's fairly easy to draw. If I am to accelerate my development, I must take on more difficult subjects, force myself to understand more complete forms.Hm.You can ignore most of this, just rambling, thinking where I can see it.
Hello folks, I am a complete ingrate and to lazy to use the archives. Can someone please give be a decent summary of Oldentale and what exactly it's whole deal is? I've been absolutely smitten by Wiki for the past few months but barely know anything the setting she's from. When did Oldentale even start getting talked about and become reoccurring thing on the video game threads?
>>4013949>Far too long spent on the sketching phase, and for things that still look too stiff.what are those things where you draw the line of movement and try to capture just the sense of movement as quick as you can? I'm vaguely familiar but not enough so to name it.>If I am to accelerate my development, I must take on more difficult subjects, force myself to understand more complete forms.that makes sense, it's a good sign that you're thinking of it like that probably.>You can ignore most of this, just rambling, thinking where I can see it.you're good, I'm too worn out to do anything productive so it's thread until bed.
>>4013950It's a UT fangame set before the human/monster war, being developed by an anon here.Its setting features a lot of medieval-fantasy and steampunk elements, but I don't think I'm equipped to describe it accurately, so hopefully Oldentale anon himself will see your post and respond.
>>4013950>When did Oldentale even start getting talked about and become reoccurring thing on the video game threads?When Oldentale anon showed up around August of 2024, Oldentale is pretty much KOTOR for Undertale, the game takes place during the human-monster war and you play as Racter, a regular monster that has gotten the soul of a human.
How would you feel about a fangame requiring multiple playthroughs to achieve the best ending?UT does require you to beat Omega Flowey once before doing the full pacifist run, but you can work out how to do both with a single run by going back to before you fight Asgore.But what if you had to play. let's say, 2 different routes before getting the best one?
>>4013954I think it would depend on how many difference there are between the routes, UTY is pretty short, yet getting all the routes still felt a bit tedious because of how little differences there are between Neutral and Pacifist, most of those differences becoming apparent on the steamworks
>>4013954I feel most "regular players" would check out after getting a single ending, but dedicated players would remain, which is the main audience that plays fangames anywayit depends of how it is executed, something like DR has a chapter select so you can jump back and redo parts, even UT itself just dropped you back on the last neutral save if you were on pacifist track so you didn't need to restart the run, just backtrack a bitUTY is kinda annoying because most of the game doesn't change between neutral and pacifist, so it can be boring to replay itI plan to do something like that in my game where you will need to explore well to get the best ending
>>4013951>what are those things where you draw the line of movement and try to capture just the sense of movement as quick as you can? I'm vaguely familiar but not enough so to name it.I typically call them "motion lines", though I do believe they have a more specific name.In any event, that's not precisely what I'm talking about, it's something else, more inherent. I can see it, but I don't know if anyone else can, there's something so *static* about them, the forms I draw.Like they aren't bodies, things of flesh that have a certain smoothness and roughness to them, there's something *wrong* about how I do it, so assembled and lifeless.Need to isolate it, figure out how to circumvent it.>that makes sense, it's a good sign that you're thinking of it like that probably.Yes, I like to try and make sure I'm not just drawing the same things over and over again, so I don't stagnate. I've been slacking in that regard lately however, need to do something about that.>you're good, I'm too worn out to do anything productive so it's thread until bed.Understandable, just don't want to come off a certain way.
>>4013940>I also remember some anon commented on making something like that once.I remember one anon saying he had an idea for a deltarune fangame that featured a zombie girl and a cat boy as the main love interests, I think he only did some sprites? he himself said he wasn't really going to make a fangame with those ideas.It does make me wonder, what do you guys think of a fangame with multiple romance options for the player character?
>>4013955>>4013957I've been thinking about deja-vus being a golden ending requirement, but I guess I might limit it to only 2 routes in total
>>4013952>>4013953How concrete or established is the world building? I mean Undertale was very vague with what was even going on in that era of history. I always headcanoned that the Monsters were neighbors to a singular human civilization that went from their nominal allies to enemies due to the fear mongering of Soul absorption (and other incidents). The idea that ALL of humanity fought in a war against monsters during a such a primitive era always seemed absurd to me. More likely the war was actually quite small and local, but because monsters are a tad dumb they assume that singular human nation represented ALL of the human race. I'd like to think a few decades after the War the human nation that fought the monsters would gloat about their triumphs to other human nations and those other nations would be like "yeah right, nice story guys". And centuries later historians would label the human monster war as either some form of founding myth or an exaggerated account were the enemy nation was dehumanized and exaggerated as being inhuman creatures.
>>4013957>I plan to do something like that in my game where you will need to explore well to get the best endingfor mine, I had this idea of the true final boss of the genocide route only becoming available if you finished the pacifist route at least once
>>4013959>fangame with multiple romance options for the player character?Sounds very self indulgent, but if you want it go ahead and have fun, don't hold back.
>>4013962>How concrete or established is the world building? Established enough to have lots of arguments about it, at least.He's actually written a few stories within his setting by now, which you can find in the fanfic archive used for these threads.For as much as I've spoken with him about his ideas and setting, I don't believe I'm a good fit to explain it to you, because I don't want to misrepresent anything about it, so I'll leave further elaboration to him, if he sees your posts.
>>4013965Well then, Oldentale anon, whever you pop up i'd appreciate it if you could indulge my curiosity.
>>4013962>How concrete or established is the world building?Seems pretty concrete with some of the stuff he has shown, the monsters apparently have renaissance level technology among a few more advanced things powered by magic.The humans in Oldentale are a bit vague on purpose, from what I've seen originally they were all on the stone age, but now they are closer to the bronze age and it seems like they only represent one fraction of mankind.>centuries later historians would label the human monster war as either some form of founding myth or an exaggerated account were the enemy nation was dehumanized and exaggerated as being inhuman creatures.The Naranja approach.
>>4013958>In any event, that's not precisely what I'm talking aboutsorry it's more that those things, I read way back when I was interested in learning that first time myself, that practicing those helped with the exact thing you described afterwards. But it's just a thought from a layman so bear in mind I don't know jack.I do think there was a good sense of the bodies in the ceroba being eaten out image, and I think the chair being tipped back slightly helped with that.
>>4013916I think its pretty clear at this point that while Kris is fine with being friends with Berdly, he would rather piss glass than date him.
>>4013968>But it's just a thought from a layman so bear in mind I don't know jack.It's okay, I appreciate the advice.In all fairness, I don't think I could even properly describe what it is I see, or what I'm trying to attain, so perhaps this is something that only exists in my head. A kind of "super-implied motion", without even utilizing those little motion lines, relying only on the form of the body itself to convey a sense of life and motion.I must learn more, analyze more.>I do think there was a good sense of the bodies in the ceroba being eaten out image, and I think the chair being tipped back slightly helped with that.Oh, thank you. I think I probably could've leaned a little more into it, but that might've changed the tone a bit more than I had wanted to.
>>4013954The problem with that as a concept is that technically, every route but Pacifist in Undertale (and we can talk about Deltarune maybe) is just the easy/easier mode.You run into the Sonic Heroes problem where it legitimately just sucks ass to have to play all three difficulty settings as different "Story" modes.Admittedly I know most people watch that stuff, or only do it because they hope someone will think they're really cool online, but from an actual game design perspective it sucks ass.I think even Toby realizes this which is why (even beyond the thematic reasons it's doing this) the weird route is entirely skipping chapter 6 and even in the playable chapters it's available in, doesn't task you with annoying tasks in the middle of the ENTIRE game to not get bumped out of the route you're on and lets you skip segments of chapters.Yeah, most people are going to do the weird route on their second playthrough.And those people PROBABLY aren't going to want to grind out the entire game over and over, even without the assumption they're coming from Undertale and probably done the way more obnoxious grind for the evil route in that game.Really the problem with that is to make it not suck, you practically have to make entire separate games and that's a shitload of work.And even then you can end up with something obnoxious like KH:BBS's last story requirement
>>4013969>he would rather piss glass than date him.So why did Kris blush and look away when asked why they had one of Berdly's feathers?
>>4013967>Seems pretty concrete with some of the stuff he has shown, the monsters apparently have renaissance level technology among a few more advanced things powered by magic.>The humans in Oldentale are a bit vague on purpose, from what I've seen originally they were all on the stone age, but now they are closer to the bronze age and it seems like they only represent one fraction of mankind.I've always liked that idea as well. But more like the Monster Kingdom was a sophisticated high fantasy medieval nation that was able to become like that thanks to magic. Meanwhile most humans at the time would probably be around "Semi-Tribal Iron Age Europeans" level of tech Like the Germanic, Slavic, and Celtic Tribes right before the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. Maybe after that one human nation defeated and banished the monsters they did what the germans did with conquered roman lands, which is settle in conquered cities, adopt customs, and adopt technology of the conquered land. Though it might've been way harder because unlike the germans cooperationg and working with the romans they conquered, there are no monsters for the humans to cooperate with given they're all banished.
>>4013918Eh, how bout something non-lewd. plushies of the DRY1 crew
>>4013954>How would you feel about a fangame requiring multiple playthroughs to achieve the best ending?while the phrase "best ending" is a bit rough here, Nier had something like this, but Nier is one of those games where you could argue the experience wasn't designed to be "enjoyable" at times.
>>4013971You're already forced to slog through chapter 3 and 4 on weird route since those have almost no changes there and don't even let you skip some segments>And even then you can end up with something obnoxious like KH:BBS's last story requirementContext? Never played that game
>>4013974ah, seconding this. Love the little plushie images of kanako and clover that are out there somewhere.
>>4013971>every route but Pacifist in Undertale (and we can talk about Deltarune maybe) is just the easy/easier mode.Genocide has the only hard bosses in Undertale, I agree that the rest of the route is easy, but that's kinda the point of it
>>4013976>Context? Never played that gameThey split the game over three playthroughs with parts of the in game areas cut off for each of the playable characters and the "Final" story is unlocked by completing the story for each AND Collecting the Xehanort Reports which are both given to you as you progress through each story and hidden quasi-randomly in chests throughout the game and I believe one requires you to play pretty deep into the multiplayer minigame and then in the remake you unlock the FINAL Final story you have to do ALL of that, and depending on your difficulty setting you will have to Get EVERY keyblade as every character (meaning you have to beat all the extra super bosses), have 33,333 money as (thankfully) at least only one character, and take 99,999 steps as one character.It's not as bad as say, if literally you had to play the EXACT same game like 3 times, and some of the requirements can be skipped by playing a higher difficulty setting, but barely anyone has actually played the Last/True Last story modes for KH:BBS because there is just so fucking much you have to do to just play it.
>>4013980Comparatively speaking, I do think that the requirements for the "good" ending for Deltarune at least based on my assumptions, are fairly lenient.
>>4013935to be fair, i felt like the nicepants break up was a nice subversion of expectations that showed that the light world is supposed to be like the real world and not like your average yaoi fanfic, so of course pizzapants wouldnt be happy over being catfished, the other shit like susie cockblocking us everytime something is pushed (such as her interrumpting you after you say "my happy ending is with you" to ralsei, or her jumping in to ruin our date with mad mew mew, or her not letting you run off with berdly in the festival) while she takes the first chance she can get to run off with noelle to the lake (in the normal route, susie deliberately chooses to go to the lake with noelle and then walk away after the long suselle scene without waking kris up, and in the weird route she literally tells you she hung out with noelle earlier even through she could've tried to go in to wake kris up instead), its such a weird thing, considering all the kralsei bait in previous chapters (such as susie suggesting that kris and ralsei should be in the lovers stand and take the photo on board 2), why did she feel the need to speedrun getting into a relationship while cockblocking everybody else after seeing the final tragedy in the prophecy? so weird...>>4013940flowery was teasing ralsei (also he stops calling ralsei a princess once ralsei stops being so tsundereish) and he calls everyone princesses including kris, and unless they wanna misgender kris, it's basically irrelevant. also the pink dress ralsei scene they love to quote is more like genderfluid ralsei evidence than transei evidence if anything.
>>4013959>what do you guys think of a fangame with multiple romance options for the player character?like fire emblem? i'd be down for it, ngl
>>4013984>>4013935For pizzapants I am still worried if you do nice cream guy path because the cat says "the truth hurts but will pay off later" or something, which means they will likely get together in future chapters if you go this route, I wouldn't put it past toby.
>>4013986eh, at worst i can see toby making it so that you have to say the "right" dialogue choices in order to get burgerpants to forgive the nice cream guy or something, i cant see him backtracking from that interaction unless toby gets so brainrotted that he just makes them get together anyways even if it makes no sense
>>4013964>Sounds very self indulgent, but if you want it go ahead and have fun, don't hold back.I don't see it as that self indulgent, if you don't see the main character as a self insert, like if Deltarune had actual romance choices between Susie and Noelle.>>4013985>like fire emblem? i'd be down for it, nglI was thinking more like what that other anon proposed of there only being two.Personally I think the main problem of having romance choices is that they could easily feel like there's a favorite, if one of the choices gets more development that the other, besides making a single good romance is already difficult, justifying the existence of two or more would be an even harder task.
>DeltaGOLD artist redesigned their six souls to better resemble Deltarune Chapter 5We're going to see this a lot
Hey, whoever knows how to mess with tags on esix, can someone edit the "quetzali" tag to "quetzali_(undertale_naranja)"?The tag just lists her name as it is now, and that's kinda weird.
>>4013988>unless toby gets so brainrotted that he just makes them get together anyways even if it makes no senseI honestly wouldn't put it past current Toby, the only thing that makes me doubt it is that this isn't yuri, but if both characters were a girls it would be guaranteed that they would get together
>>4013991it will be a trend for a while but I do think it will wear off. it's inherrently less exciting to just "invent" the same design over and over again that everyone else feels obligated to do.
>>4013991how long until some of the still active soul fangames do the same?
>>4013991Is this the scat guy?>The integrity is named ValCould you imagine if this Val became more popular than UTN's Val?
>>4013995You're vastly overestimating this fandom's creativity, skeletonslop exists for a reason>>4013996I feel like the Futility guy would use this as an excuse to redesign his purple human again, if the game still was in development.
>>4013997>Is this the scat guy?How come I have to watch you guys talk about every fetish under the fucking sun but when I try to post an artist who doesn't post ANY fetish stuff on their main account you have to fucking walk up and say "you know that guy drew some scat on a different account right?" Fuck off, I am sick of the double standard and I don't care what gets posted in places I don't have to see
>>4013991Honestly the only positives of the Ch 5 flower humans is that I do like the idea of Bravery being a super short bratty tomboy that's actually a crybaby and Preserverance being a super nerdy foid. (yes yes I know the flowers do not equate to actual fallen children in undertale but im just saying shit)
>>4013999>skeletonslop exists for a reason'skeletonslop' will seem like artistic splendor to these people in comparison. At least these skeletons are allowed to be any given design people want. The artists crave the freedom sauce, they'll get tired of their latest trinket soon enough.
>>4014000It was meant to be a joke, besides, once you notice the smell, it becomes much harder to ignore
Honestly it's really weird how many people were depicting Integrity as a black ballerina YEARS before Deltarune Chapter 5, like i've seen so many instances of it. Honestly the only thing they got wrong was the gender. Like, what makes people associate Ballet with Black People anyhow???I always felt like if any one of them had to be the token black kid it would be Kindness (ironic I know).
>>4013992you need to make a suggestion to an admin if you want to change the name of a tag, it would be easier to make a new tag and replace the current one with the new one on the posts that use it
>>4013918Dina unbirthing Clover.....
>>4014011Dina pregnant with 100 Clovers
>>4014014This but Quetzali pregnant with 100 eggs
>>4013918Quetzali unbirthing Val while regular voring Riley
>>4013918All of these are so hot. There are many little details that stand out. Wiki's fluffiness, Kanako's smugness, and Martlet's cute little tail all add a lot to the appeal.>>4013955For me, it's the fact that neutral doesn't have any varying endings, so there's little point to experiment. Original Undertale had the phone calls which were intended to show how you made a difference, and contribute to the metanarrative of completionism.>>4013962This is exactly the setting of Gargoyles.>>4013974This would be cool.
>>4014004here are some of the ways i could prob explain this:>the fandom wanted to draw one of the humans as black and they generally picked the blue one>artists didnt like how their drawings of the blue soul wearing blue clothes looked so they made her black and it seemed to look better>some popular fanthing did black integrity so everyone else copied it>i guess black people doing ballet was rare and they wanted to be inclusive?>headcanon stuff>i guess they wanted some contrast between the pink tutu and the skin?>maybe some of the "blue soul killed monsters lol" believers made integrity black as a joke and it just spread like wildfire (and not the orange soul type of it)>probably early fandom kids thinking that a black ballerina would look cuteor something else maybe>>4014004>black kindnessehh, i think that UTG Cody is what prevented the rise of black kindness soul among the early fandom which meant you wouldn't see black green soul often aside from some randomwho fangames that get cancelled or stop posting updates after a 3 minutes long demo uploaded over a decade or so ago, since he and clover are white and all, this is also why you'll never see a black justice soul human design nowadays btw.I love how versatile the orange soul human is, through! i've seen him be white, yellow, black, tanned, tall, short, skinny, chubby, etc., like holy shit did he get the whole buffet of varied human designs.
>>4013855Sorry man, didn't mean to blow your cover. The reply style was just really familiar as I've done that back and forth with you a lot.>>4013854>>4013868Thanks, anons!
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1R63hcqMc2fJ_ZAZJlzcgtsxVavObJmS-Does it have potential?
>>4014038No, and it's been talked about to death already.
>>4013954Armored Core 6 did that
>>4014039I stick to /vg/ and /trash/ so I probably missed out on the first post(s) but I find the characters likable
>>4014041>>4014038They're just discount versions of the DR cast.Why even make that and not use the actual characters like snoot game did if the plot is literally a copy of DR's?Might as well go the extra mile and make an original setting even if still in DR world, like DRY or DR: Broken Destiny.
>>4014040NTA, but AC6 didn't really do it too well in my opinion.The new missions and content in AC6's NG+ are fairly minor, and really only start becoming more noteworthy towards the end of the game, which is technically also true for UT's pacifist route, but it's still a little underwhelming compared to how the idea could be executed.Something like Nier: Automata is maybe a better example, since the NG+ playthroughs after the first ending are actually their own distinct stories and ways of playing the game.
>>4014038Said all I had to say in the previous thread but to reiterate, the characters don't look bad in their own right but they don't resemble Deltarune characters at all and come across more as standard anthros than "monsters," which is fine for some of them (or even maybe all the main four monsters there) if they had more out-there designs supporting them, but the supporting cast for the most part also doesn't feel very monster-y. I think the problem lies in making all of the characters "attractive" when quite a few monsters in UT/DR are ugly goofballs; it feels like another Snoot Game, and if that's what you want to make then go for it, I want any 4chan project to succeed, but it makes the vibes very different.
>>4014048That last sentence might be too ambiguous so just to clarify: I get that this wants to be to Deltarune what Snoot Game is to Goodbye Volcano High, but my feedback is that the aesthetics look too much like GBVH/Snoot Game and drift too far from Deltarune. Both GBVH and Snoot Game are about dinosaur furries and there wasn't a massive shift in design principles, but these designs do have a massive shift from Deltarune's design principles.
>>4013918Superb stuff anon, very well done.I'm going to ask for an Anon experiencing death by snu snu because of Zenith Martlet.
>>4013918You improved a lot since your last drawing, these are all hot>>4013921Thirding this
>>4013918Could you do something similar to this image drawn by another drawanon with Zartlet standing over Clover before she unbirths him.https://files.catbox.moe/qdk6px.jpg
>>4013918You've been working on your drawing skills from the last time, I love all of these, especially the one with Sadie.>>4013946I'm seconding this, a pregnant Kanako from you would look awesome.
God, drawing characters dead-on is just miserable, half a mind to just throw this all out and start again.I'm going to bed, goodnight everyone.
>>4014116looks pretty cute if you ask me
>>4013918Pregnant Wiki please, I beg of you.
>>4014050It also begs the question, if it's not SURVEY2, does DR need a Snoot Game analogue? GVH had well-designed characters but everyone knew it was going to bad, and it also took forever to release. There are legitimate criticisms for DR but it's not as unquestionably bad as GVH, and it also has a steady release schedule now. Like other anons said, I would have put this in its own DR-related setting rather than try to redo the main game.>>4014107Would she have to awkwardly explain it to her parents?>>4014116It's a tough perspective artistically because there's danger of it looking too "flat" and also the perspective itself is rather unnerving. Someone directly facing you is putting full attention on you and feels addressed to the viewer. For the former problem, maybe just have some objects to the side that are at an angle?
>>4014116Wiki if she absorbed Racter's soul
Is this the case for any monsters?
>>4014140The one and only
>>4014123>Would she have to awkwardly explain it to her parents?Considering what happened between Kanako and Cole in the previous images, she was all for it.I doubt it would be awkward for her to explain that Cole knocked her up. The real question is how Chujin would react.
>>4014144>The real question is how Chujin would react.nta but he'd act fine in front of kanako then start yelling and kicking the stuff around him in rage once he thinks she's gone
>>4014149Post chapter 2 would probably be fine with it
>>4013918It would be nice to see a bird family photo with bird Clover and Martlet, as well as one with Zenith Martlet and Zenith bird Clover.
>>4014149He might bust out the Arisaka for this one.>>4014150There's a difference between "You're not as bad as the other humans; I can trust you around my daughter until you leave in a few days" and "You knocked up my only daughter and she's going to be a single mother of a ningenmutt with an absent father." I don't think anyone in this thread is a father, but it's easy to empathize with his protective inclination.>>4014153This
>>4013901Go to @Themakethman on Twitter > then click Media. It’s kind of at the top
>>4013912>30 at oldest>SchoolmateCeroba isn’t a schoolmate of the feisty five, and it’s hotter if she’s 30+
>>4013914>silent majority straight dudesAnon, Undertale’s fandom originated from Tumblr. And the dudes in the fandom were furries. Why do you think Sans was the most popular character?I’m starting to think some of these LARP accounts also post here to get validation because I think you have to be a genuine fag to identify as a based anti porn Christian trad something then call yourself “HMOFA guardian”. If it’s supposed to be 100% pretend, then it just sounds like picrel
>>4013918draw Chujin giving CBT to Starlo
>>4014038Just make a visual novel where Dirk gets to fuck the girls, and also not!Berdly. But not in a gay way, it's about power dynamics and shit.
>>4014165>and also not!Berdly. But not in a gay way, it's about power dynamics and shit.This, but make it gay afterwards with some wholesome aftercare scenes where they realize they do love each other
>>4013918Draw Martlet anally voreing Ceroba and orally voreing Starlo at the same time
>>4014157I don't want to rain on your headcanon, anon, but there's a picture of Ceroba and Starlo at around the same age as kids. Blackjack describes the Feisty Five as former schoolmates. Dina won't let Mooch buy hard drinks because she's too young, and even if she goes by retarded American rules Mooch is 20 at the oldest.Don't let this stop you from having a headcanon of Ceroba as a MILF or "hag" because UTY itself didn't let such details keep it from having an interesting headcanon. Also the team wrote themselves in this corner by having her be a grieving widow/mother but also close in age to a bunch of 20-somethings. You can make it work by thinking of Ceroba as getting hitched right after graduation and Kanako being a couple years younger than Clover, but it's too much trouble to bother worrying about.>>4014162>And the dudes in the fandom were furries. Why do you think Sans was the most popular character?>claims the fandom is made of furries>cites a distinctly non-furry characterAnon....
I had a dream I was playing deltarune controlling Kris as a kid wearing a horn headband and Asgore was scrubbing the kitchen floor
>>4014169Feels like my wording was off, I meant moreso that the dudes in the fandom were probably mostly not straight. Even now, I wouldn’t say that’s the case. The only UT place with majority straight dudes is either on Reddit or hereAs for Sans, you could also say there were a lot of women into UT because of him and how he was everywhere
>>4014173Dess...
>>4014169>Dina won't let Mooch buy hard drinks because she's too youngI don’t remember this being the reason in game she couldn’t drink, and I thought it was kept ambiguous. It really could have just been she was wild when drinking. However, I swore a dev did say Mooch was not old enough to drink or was a minor. This actually could be directly contradicted in game cause Moray’s parents said they married each other around age 27. So, the FF + Staroba should be at the very least in their late 20’s. If Mooch was HS friends with Starlo, there is no way she should be in her early 20sAnd do keep in mind, I disagree that they’re even in their late 20s. I was the one to mention that I saw a UTY dev (a literal who like most UTY devs) tell a fan that she saw Starlo as being in his late 20s. I’m going to choose to ignore this, and I can’t even understand how devs can’t even get the simplest details about their characters down in a consistent manner. This is something they should have established before releasing the game
>>4014169And yet Mooch is old enough to take pipe from Starlo.
Would Kanako be a fan of Hotline Miami?
>>4014181She is, squirrels love small nuts after all
>>4014174Depends on what you mean by "dudes in the fandom." Are you talking about anyone who liked the game? Those who went on forums to talk about it? Content creators who talked heavily about it? Even in the latter case, while MatPat sounds gay I don't know if he actually is gay. Joel is a huge Undertale fan and catapulted its success and he's straight as an arrow, I think.Also keep in mind that culture changes as well. When Undertale came out in 2015, Tumblr and the associated mental illness was bursting into the mainstream and this continued for several years even after the death of Tumblr. This is when such types were actively gatekeeping fandoms, creating the impression that they were the majority when in reality they made it impossible for anyone else to be heard.Even for furries themselves, the subculture started as an anthro character appreciation community established by a couple of libertarian guys named Mark Merlino and Rod O'Riley. It was an outgrowth of cartoons and science fiction to show off creations and interest, basically to make anthro characters for cool stories. Sure, there's evidence of sexual deviance springing up not long afterwards, as there always is, but it wasn't until late into the 2000's that furries became fully associated with extreme degeneracy. Since then furries have tried to tie being furry in with being LGBT, which if anything has made the LGBT community look even worse. It's not just with UT/DR but in fiction as a whole that HMOFA sprang up as a counter to this and has seen a colossal resurgence among people who were formerly silent. "I am straight, I am not into your weird sexual fetishes, I like hot anthro girls and that's OK.">>4014180It really is a miracle that the story ended up as coherent as it did without a bible or other sort of fact sheet for the characters. Many indie devs/artists use one, whether it's published or not.>>4014181That's also true under the aforementioned retarded American laws.
>>4014184And yet that every same bible is responsible for those retarted American laws you hate.Don't worry, teen pregnant Mooch will give her kids FAS.
>>4014186Anon a lore bible isn't the same thing at all.
>>4014188And they they are both Bibles.Curious.
>>4014184>It really is a miracle that the story ended up as coherent as it did without a bible or other sort of fact sheet for the characters. Many indie devs/artists use one, whether it's published or not.If you're working alone I don't think a bible is really necessary, your own notes should be enough, but yeah, in a project with multiple writers they should have some document with all the facts of the lore they agree on, otherwise we end with things like that one UTY dev saying that Axis blew Integrity's head off as fact, then immediately getting corrected by the other devs.
>>4014184>but it wasn't until late into the 2000's that furries became fully associated with extreme degeneracy.this is not true. the CSI episode that made "furry degeneracy" known to normalfags was in 2003. They were already on their shit well before then, and it just wasn't in common knowledge as much.>>4014189Anon what are you doing.
>>4014180>>4014184as usual the UTY devs just didn't think things throughwhen I played I thought mooch was like 17 or so, not really an "adult" but not too young eitherthough that still doesn't make sense why she would be in high school with the rest of the gang when I thought they were late 20s/early 30sit is a mess and you're better off just ignoring it and use what makes more sense for you, as are most things with UTY after the stream showed the devs were just winging it all along
>>4014191CSI and SVU are wild shows. I wonder what the propoganda machine had against furries in 2003?
>>4014192>when I played I thought mooch was like 17 or so, not really an "adult" but not too young eitherSame, and the FF really don’t feel like HS friends. Besides Mooch, Ed seemed a lot older than the rest, and Ace was too stand offish. Only Moray made any sense as Starlo’s HS friend in a way
>>4014193>I wonder what the propoganda machine had against furries in 2003?it was just the latest thing that actual boomers got keyed in on, but like I said it was already in full swing by that point.Those edgy "jack" comics started in 2001.Furries got their reputation on the early internet for a lack of self control in shared spaces, and for the horrors that people found in the ancient cave forums.If anything, somehow furries have a better reputation now than they did then despite those types still existing.
>>4013918Zenith Martlet game over gif with Clover's soul in her womb after she unbirths him, and Flowey giving his funny commentary like you did with these other ones.https://files.catbox.moe/poozy3.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/bj1pg1.mp4
>>4013757Recently, Eggfricker52 has been getting ideas of an Onion route where (YOU) are able to save Onionsan in previous chapters and have her become a party member in chapter 5. He has already told (YOU) one moment. In one of the climbing scenes at the last stretch, if (YOU) do the final section at the fastest speed by a few blocks, (YOU) will accidentally bump yourself into Onionsan’s belly. Onionsan in the dark world will be a fat woman.
>>4014206However there is a twist? How can Onionsan go into a dark world?
>>4014038Not really. The characters are so different that it may as well be a new thing entirely and the team is already having awkward disagreements over shit like not being able to fug the sheep due to it being pseudo-incest.It seems like an attempt to do a spite game ala Snoot Game but it doesn't really seem to be working since Deltarune isn't as comically easy to upstage as Volcano High. Unless they add in a dark world equivalent and some real gameplay it will probably just be a generic furry VN but you play as a douchier green Kris.
>>4014218>pseudo-incestCowards, they give you two femboys and yet they do not allow you to stick your dick in them?Cowards.
>>4014156Wow, despite a few weird drawings, this person is an excellent Ceroba artist
>>4014182I don't see Kanako playing violent video games. Also, while she might not be the most sheltered, I doubt her parents would let her have it. Now, a fast-paced action game where you wipe out whole buildings of vicious gangsters? That would be Cole's jam.>>4014191It's been going on far longer than that. This blew my mind when I first watched this live: https://youtu.be/bYSSnI5LMPY
>>4014228>It's been going on far longer than that.that's what I'm saying though. "they were already on their shit well before then." But an entire generation of not online people were made aware at that point since that was before "everyone" was online.>Now, a fast-paced action game where you wipe out whole buildings of vicious gangsters? That would be Cole's jam.nta but cole would love max payne I bet.
I can't find it anymore, but I saw someone post a screenshot from the light world segment of chapter 5 where Noelle says she was thinking of learning piano after Susie talks about wanting to learn with Kris or something, and the dialogue was written in the most obvious shoe-horned way possible, making her look like a clear invader into something that was just Kris and Susie's thing.Now, I didn't see that dialogue in-game for myself, mostly because I sped through the part where you had to have Noelle along with you, but if that's real, I feel like that may be a decent indication that the bits in chapter 5 with Noelle and Susie were *supposed* to feel awful and intrusive, because there is no fucking way Toby Fox of all people would be writing shit like that, especially since he himself can barely even play piano anymore now that his hands are all fucked up, so I get the feeling like that was all meant to be uncomfortable for the player, to make us feel as isolated as Kris does.Or Toby's just a worse writer than anyone on earth thought possible, that could also be the case, but you know, hope and all that.
>>4014221>they give you two femboys and yet they do not allow you to stick your dick in them?>Cowards.They don't let you fuck not!Berdly either? what a disgrace
>>4014232Toby's IQ drops whenever he has to write romance between two women
>>4014232* Susie: Psst, Noelle... maybe you don't know, but...* Kris is... kinda awesome at piano.* Noelle: O... oh, really? Is that so...?* Susie: ... you should hear them play sometime.* Noelle: Sure, only if... they want to.* So Kris... played for you?* Nah, it was for, like... uh...* Susie: ... I guess I was just, listening.* ... yeah.* They even said... they'd show me how to...* Noelle: You KNOW, I was thinking of learning piano, TOO!* Susie: Really? Awesome, we could all play together!* Noelle: (Sigh...)
>>4014235Okay, yes, but I think the piano thing in particular, if it's real, could be a sign that this is actually meant to feel super forced and uncomfortable, since that feels like something Toby would be super aware of when it comes to himself in particular, and if that's the case, then that could mean Suselle isn't actually being pushed legitimately, and is instead being set up as something you're meant to not like.
>>4014238Yeah, that's about what I saw, and I feel like there's no way we're supposed to think this is a good thing, especially with how much piano was emphasized as a personal thing for Kris literally in the previous chapter.Noelle's totally being set up to feel like an invading force here.
>>4014232I don't have the screencap but she says something like "(Could you teach me piano too?) :P"If you pick all the options for activities between Kris and Susie, it's Noelle who looks like a third wheel. You can even troll her by writing Kris and Susie as festival king and queen then showing it to her, and Susie likes the idea of it. Everything Kris does with Susie has way more chemistry, but unfortunately it doesn't prevent the lake scene. Something did stick out to me at the lake scene, though. Noelle tells her mother that she is dating Susie in defiance, only to be notified that her dad is gravely hurt. I don't hold any illusions that Toby is some "based" double agent (for all we know, the whole Nicepants thing could be a double subversion and they'll magically become gay lovers in the end), but it stood out to me how Noelle is chasing Susie only out of rebellion against her overbearing mother, and is hurting her actual relationships because of it.Then again, this is all written by the guy who softened the anti-Toriel backlash with her explanations.
>>4013816>Here's the fanworks archive if you're interested in any of the fanfics/greentext people have written, also the only place where you can find the Naranja demoNote I still haven't gotten around to updating the fangames archive: a couple Deltarune Yellow versions from April are missing. The one you can find on GameJolt is the latest.Sorry about the delay, I've recently been getting comboed by life stuff again, hopefully I can get around to it later this week
>>4014242>Sorry about the delay, I've recently been getting comboed by life stuff againyou're good anon, life always comes first. Thank you for updating it when you are able to though.
>>4013918This design of Martlet unbirthing Clover...
>>4014241>Then again, this is all written by the guy who softened the anti-Toriel backlash with her explanations.Honestly, I feel like that bit in particular is fine.The spare key thing works because we know for a fact that Kris knows things we don't and actively keeps things from us, as seen with them refusing to open that door in the church towards the end of chapter 4, and it also just makes sense in general. As for Toriel hanging out with Sans at the very end of the chapter, I don't think it's unreasonable for things to have just looked worse than they really were, especially since most of what actually made that scene so bad was the fact that we thought she had just neglected to check on Kris and Susie, which we now have some pretty reasonable explanations for.I still think she made an ass of herself, but I don't feel like it was a walking-back of what happened in chapter 4, it just felt like us getting to see more information on what actually happened.
>>4014232I knew since chapter 1 that Suselle would end up being an invasive plot element where they flirt with each other the whole game while you watch. After chapter 5 I believe the core of suselle is malice against all the people who don't like it, and the fans of suselle generally seem to enjoy that. It's only going to get worse, there will be no route where it doesn't work out perfectly between them.
>>4014247>especially since most of what actually made that scene so bad was the fact that we thought she had just neglected to check on Kris and Susienta, but what always made that scene not sit right with me, is that when you have a kid from your divorce, you don't have to stop living no, but you really have a duty to prepare them for things like that more. the first time your kid (who in kris's case may be taking things hard) finds out your dating should not be you falling over drunk after bringing your date into your home after knowing him for 3 or so nights.Also her saying that she took this near strangers word on kris's safety isn't a great look.
>>4014248I dunno, I may not have all the evidence to convince you right now, but that piano thing in particular makes me feel like this is supposed to come off as a bad thing, not like something we're supposed to want to happen.I can't prove it, but with Toby's own personal connection to playing piano, which he also had taken from him by his wrist condition, I swear this makes sense.
>>4014251>I swear this makes sense.anon...
>>4014232>>4014239>>4014240I think we are supposed to feel weird about it but it is Toby and this is a yuri couple so I think stuff like Noelle creepily horning in and trying to one-up Kris on the friendship stuff is just supposed to come across as quirky.The weirdness is probably going to be pushed as being entirely a Kris problem and not Noelle being a bit of a bitch who just wants a surrogate big sister that she can fuck.
>>4014218>not being able to fug the sheep due to it being pseudo-incestThey should add a black sheep doppelganger (while not!Asriel still actually exists in the setting unlike regular Asriel, and the comparisons between the two are directly made) to make the issue even more vague
>>4014250>but you really have a duty to prepare them for things like that more.Okay.Yes, I agree, but I think that still largely falls under what I described earlier as Toriel "making an ass of herself", as opposed to being almost criminally negligent, which is how she came off before.>Also her saying that she took this near strangers word on kris's safety isn't a great look.This, I will argue on.Toriel says in chapter 5 that Sans told her that Kris and Susie were hanging out the last time he saw them, which we know for a fact is true, because the last time you can interact with Sans before entering the first dark world is when you're hanging out with Susie, so we know he was telling the truth. Not only that, but the last time *Toriel* sees Kris and Susie, she knew they were hanging out together, so her taking Sans at his word is less like her just blindly trusting him, and moreso her just having what she already believed to be the case confirmed by a third party.Plus, by this point in the game, Kris and Susie have effectively established a pattern of becoming unreachable by others when hanging out together. We hear from Toriel that she tried to call Kris at the end of chapter 1 but couldn't get through, but she lets it slide when she hears from Kris that he was hanging out with a friend, and in chapter 2 we see Kris "hang out" with Susie late enough for Susie to have to stay at Kris's place, so by the time chapter 4 happens, Toriel may have just assumed this is something they do whenever they're with each other, and to be fair, she's right, just not for any normal reasons.So again, my stance is that Toriel definitely came off worse than she could've at the time, but her explanations for things aren't that unreasonable from what we know she knows, or at least that she thinks she knows.
>>4014257>Yes, I agree, but I think that still largely falls under what I described earlier as Toriel "making an ass of herself", as opposed to being almost criminally negligent, which is how she came off before.I've never considered her "criminally negligent" personally, but I do consider that to be a big deal, a major failing as a parent.>Toriel says in chapter 5 that Sans told her that Kris and Susie were hanging out the last time he saw them, which we know for a fact is true, because the last time you can interact with Sans before entering the first dark world is when you're hanging out with Susie, so we know he was telling the truthyes, sans wasn't lying, and toriel had reason to believe this could be true, but she also only had one example of this happening. Her getting wasted despite a soft confirmation at best is more than a "bad look". It's a genuine fuck up.>Plus, by this point in the game, Kris and Susie have effectively established a pattern of becoming unreachable by others when hanging out togetherit's not a pattern, we have one example. I wouldn't fault her for having "company" over if she was sober, but getting *that* drunk, while not actually knowing where your kid is, with a person in your house that you haven't even introduced your kid to as someone you're seeing is exactly as bad as I saw it before.Again, you can still have fun when you are a grown ass adult who has kids, but you've still got a certain responsibility to uphold. No kid wants to see his mother that wasted in the first place, let alone under those circumstances.
>>4013918Great improvement, it's very evident in this set of images you've drawn.Could you draw Orange from Deltarune Chapter 5? I don't mind what she's doing.I'd like to see how she looks in your style.
>>4013918Chujin unbirthing Integrity
>>4013810nta, but I thought it was a portmanteau of kiosk and OS, like it was a corporate name for one of those smart kiosk self check out things.
>>4013991I tried warning y'all this would happen
>>4014273I still think it's a non issue. art feeds are already almost completely without flower art. The designs in chapter 5 lacked the staying power certain past characters have had.
>>4014275>flowers mogged by nun tasque managershe truly rules over the coomers with an iron fist
Apparently one of the people involved in shades of justice, will be releasing the colored battle sprites they are making as a standalone mod "soon">>4014286Funny, I saw a tasque manager image yet again right under the post for the colored sprites mod.
>>4014239The piano thing is in fact real, some kriselle people were talking about it
>>4014025Anon, I promise I am not upset in the slightest. I knew from the outset that this going to be an open secret at the absolute best, and I was never going to go schizo and start lying and masking my typing habits, so there was a short shelf life on the "secret" to start with.Also, good phox.>>4013868Getting someone who:actually enjoys readingenjoys undertale enough to play fangamesAND has a critical mindsetis like finding a damn unicorn. The struggle is real.There's no need to rush Nine Sols, as it will take me a good long while to finish Partners and cover the second day of DRY before I do that, but the game is absolutely worthy of your time. I actually almost bounced off of it because I thought the main character's opinions were going to be representative of the story's opinions, but that was not the case. I shan't spoil anything by hinting further; just trust the writers to come through, and I believe you'll come out the other side happy.As for "graduating" to more serious content... I don't really see it that way. I think of Cracking Open a Kanacoke as something serious, and I went into it with something of the opposite of self-indulgence, or so I hope. Even in the prototype where they were having sex regularly, I'd intended the chapter to be preoccupied with changing the tone of their physical relationship, where they were finding comfort in each other after their near death experiences in the dark world.(Geez, Cracking Open a Kanacoke is a mouthful. What about COaK? COK...? Oh no, definitely not the second one.)
>>4013868Anyways, the inspirations are kinda all over the place. Some of it was an outlet for my writing critiques and preferences for DRY, some of which I've already mentioned, and another one being that I couldn't really buy that Cole and Kanako were just friends at the outset of the game, given their clear interest in each other and length of their relationship.Some of it was actually from that semi-recent green where Ceroba jumps Anon's bones as soon as he gets through the door. I thought the pace was jarring, but found it challenging to think of fixes. I concluded that extreme abruptness could be excused by extreme stress.And some of it was conscious effort on my part, because I don't want to give up on Yellow and Yellow-adjacent stuff, but I was lacking ideas for things to do after Partners. I managed to gin up a couple short story ideas, one of which will be released soon, one of which is post-Partners, and the last of which was Kanacoke, though it could very well prove to be a not-so-short story. I didn't think a single chapter would break 8000 words when I set out, I can tell you that!
>>4014275>>4014286Aqua gets the most, her and Green seemingly but then again everyone more or less liked Green.
>>4014299Honestly even aqua is falling off my feed. I saw I think one green image last night, I know a couple people are probably doing yellow and blue but I don't think it gets much love from the algorithm
>>4014162Before we go any further, what do you mean by fandom? Because when I (and presumably the anon you were replying to) say fandom, we mean people who played and liked the games. If you mean exclusively people who are fanatically obsessed with the games, then you may have a point. However if you use the same definition as I do, then you do not have a point. Furries aren't even majority gay, gays just happen to be extremely loud and hypersexual compared to straights, so the fandom seems more gay than it is. (this is from polls and furry conventions, which are already way gayer than the wider non con attending fandom). Sure gays are very overrepresented in the furry community, by a factor of 20 times (the human population at large is 2% gay, furries are a somehwere between 40 %and 50% gay).
>>4013918Geno Clover in Zenith Martlet's womb as a soul doing the shooting mini game, where he's clearly losing and about to inevitably end up as an egg.
>>4014297>Some of it was actually from that semi-recent green where Ceroba jumps Anon's bones as soon as he gets through the door. I thought the pace was jarring, but found it challenging to think of fixes. I concluded that extreme abruptness could be excused by extreme stress.nta but as the anon that wrote it, yeah I definitely have a long way to go with pacing and build up, something that's honestly been a challenge every time I think I'd like to work on a lewd martlet story.I figured it would be fine to just, focus on the lewd stuff for that story as an aspect of her having built up feelings and stress actually, but then when I wanted to continue it with a slower scene for build up before they continued, I found it difficult to think of what to actually put on the page.It's neat though that the story stuck in your mind a bit despite that, I was super nervous as well allowing myself to write something lewd.
>>4014299From what I've seen Orange appears to get the most attention, likely because she's the only flower to have a unique and very different design when compared to the others.Aqua has a memorable personality, but it terms of design, Orange is the only one that I can really consider to have staying power because of her status as a mouse.
Librarby anon, if you're around, do you have any preferences for what Wiki's facial expression should be for that "Polynesian sex" drawing?I posted the current sketch for her head and face up here (>>4014116), but I'm not too satisfied with it at the moment, though the face itself was more of a base when I first drew it.
>>4013932>>4014011>>4014017>>4013932>>4014087>>4014198>>4014246>>4014268>>4014304chill out man
>>4014321Hmm, that's a tough one. If they've been in that position for a while, then I'd say a serene/relaxed smile (with a hint of blushing still). If it's early on in the "session", then a much stronger blush with a kind of "nervous smile" as she's excited but also hasn't yet settled into the situation.
>>4014332Oh look another callout post to stir something up, because they couldn't help themselves.Remember guys don't react or feed into it if you don't want it to be a problem.
>>4014308She also had the hottest personality, that ranking is:>Orange>Pink>Seth & Aqua
>>4014336you could have just as well ignored it as well you know anon.
>>4014308maybe because you have furry bias, most people seem to forget orange exists even when doing group pics of all flowers, and overall rankings I've seen put her on the bottom near blue
>>4014338Ignored what? I don't see a post, do you?
>>4014336dude thats 9 fucking requests you only need the one
>>4014335I was thinking I'd have her in roughly the state she's in when she says "I need you", so with a certain amount of desperation, despite the rest of the image being what it is.I'm honestly still not quite sure how to handle it being dead-on like this, but I'm really trying to avoid just throwing it all out and trying again from another angle and from a different perspective.
one of the orange projects posted an updatehttps://gamejolt.com/p/undertale-orange-tbo-summer-newsletter-2026-bw9tjs57
>>4014341yeah you know how it goes with the request spam. Sometimes I wonder what drives such an autism but then I think of how there's the scuba person who fishes for his requests everywhere always nonstop. Granted he seems to be one and done about his posts in a given thread.
>>4014341I don't see anything, just a couple anons talking about deltarune design appeal for the flowers. Do you see anything?
>>4014341NTA, but careful with the swearing, there's a guy who's got it out for people who swear just a bit too much.
>>4014342>I was thinking I'd have her in roughly the state she's in when she says "I need you", so with a certain amount of desperationhalf lidded eyes or eyes closed. Mouth in that kind of "needful slight frown" where she's not unhappy, but she hasn't gotten what she "wants or needs" yet. >but I'm really trying to avoid just throwing it all out and trying again from another angle and from a different perspective.I don't know if you'd be happier or not with a different perspective but I say keep at it if nothing else because it's a perspective I don't know if you've done before.
>>4014343harvey's a cute little goblin
>>4014347>half lidded eyes or eyes closed. Mouth in that kind of "needful slight frown" where she's not unhappy, but she hasn't gotten what she "wants or needs" yet. Alright, I'll experiment with that a bit more later tonight. I've been finding a surprising amount of difficulty when it comes to drawing her expressions from the front, though my only reference for this entire drawing has just been her overworld sprite, so I guess that's to be expected.>I don't know if you'd be happier or not with a different perspective but I say keep at it if nothing else because it's a perspective I don't know if you've done before.I actually have done dead-on drawings before, but I usually try to avoid doing them because I think they come out looking too plain a lot of the time. I think the last one I did was some quick image of Ji from Nine Sols, and I don't think much of that drawing.I'll keep at this one for now, since I do like the first-person idea, but I'm gonna need to find a way to inject a little more life into this one before too long. Never any fun when proceeding with an image feels most accurately described as "cutting my losses".
>>4014341Out of those posts only three them actually appear legit, the others feels like bait. Regardless don't take the bait. Don't react, or do anything. Just don't acknowledge it.
>>4014350>Never any fun when proceeding with an image feels most accurately described as "cutting my losses".I think at this point I've learned that there's not much I can say to convince you to think otherwise on an image you're working on, BUTstill, may heaven grant you fortune
>>4014346There is no such guy, because none of us are going to escalate this, and attract such a guy here. We're just going to focus on what makes us happy and ignore the stuff that doesn't.
>>4014297>another one being that I couldn't really buy that Cole and Kanako were just friends at the outset of the game, given their clear interest in each other and length of their relationship.I mean, I can see it. Maybe they've had feelings in the past, but they each pushed that aside thinking it's just a puberty thing and it wouldn't be appropriate given Chujin's opinion of such a relationship. Then, with only a week left and placed in serious danger, these feelings bubbled their way to the top. But that's just my headcanon. I didn't have close female friends in my teen years and if I did then I would probably have fallen in love.>I concluded that extreme abruptness could be excused by extreme stress.This is true.>I managed to gin up a couple short story ideas, one of which will be released soon, one of which is post-Partners, and the last of which was Kanacoke, though it could very well prove to be a not-so-short story.Looking forward to it, Partnersanon! When it comes to romance, I definitely prefer a slow burn and have the "payoff" at the end. Or, it could be a tragedy. We all do love tragedy, don't we?
>>4014352>I think at this point I've learned that there's not much I can say to convince you to think otherwise on an image you're working onEh, I've changed my views on things I've worked on sometimes before, it just depends on what we're talking about.In any event, I think I've made some minor improvements just now, adjusting her arms to be more taut as she grabs (your) wrists, so it looks more like she's pulling you in, which I think is better. I think I might just keep tweaking things for a bit until it looks better, I dunno.>still, may heaven grant you fortuneThank you. I am extremely tired from the four hours of sleep I got last night (intentionally, doing a short burn to fix my sleep schedule), but I'm hoping I can have this sketch done tonight so I can try and have the whole thing done sooner rather than later.
>>4014356>In any event, I think I've made some minor improvements just now, adjusting her arms to be more taut as she grabs (your) wrists, so it looks more like she's pulling you in, which I think is better. Iyeah that does sound nice, and I realize my previous comment sounded a bit more "fatalistic" than I may have intended. but either way glad to hear you're working on it.>I am extremely tired from the four hours of sleep I got last night (intentionally, doing a short burn to fix my sleep schedule)good luck on that as well, sleep is extremely important and also impossible to get when you want it most.
>>4014358>but either way glad to hear you're working on it.Yeah, I'll keep moving along until it starts to look how I want it. If nothing else, if I do end up scrapping it (which I probably won't have to at this point but who knows), I'll probably just post the unfinished sketch by itself before taking another crack at it, if it comes to that.>good luck on that as well, sleep is extremely important and also impossible to get when you want it most.Don't I know it.I think that's probably why I value it so much when it comes to personal fantasies honestly, I like the idea of either helping my scrimblos to sleep or vice-versa because of just how little of it I usually get. Bleh.
>>4014359>I'll probably just post the unfinished sketch by itself before taking another crack at it, if it comes to that.nice, I actually really like seeing the sketch/linework phases of peoples stuff when they're willing to post it. It's like peering into unknowable runes.>spoilersyeah that makes sense. When you know the value of something that's hard for yourself to get, it makes it that much more impactful to you yourself granting it to others.
>>4014353>We're just going to focus on what makes us happyHmm, yes, what makes us happy.
>>4014361getting rid of the spooky eyes was a direct downgrade for this image.
>>4014362Me personally, I like the one with "normal" eyes.But since you like the other one, here you go.
>>4014336I wonder why there’s mysteriously some type of “don’t feed the trolls” response every time someone has an issue with these requests. It’s kinda clear the other person (or (You)) has a genuine obsession for this while getting off to people taking his “bait”
>>4014332Also I have a feeling the only true troll posts here are the Chujin and fat Martlet ones
>>4014365I wonder why you're continuing to talk about this when we've had two threads going into great detail on what happens when people just refuse drop something and continue feeding into a ultimately pointless thing.It's not just spam requests, or dumb posts, it's problem posters in general, even now despite what's happened, people can't help themselves but react, which will only have the opposite effect.Also this kind of post actually makes you look like a troll, cause it looks like your trying to stir up something by pointing fingers or making a suggestion that would stir something up.
Guys please just stop before this escalates any further. I'd rather not see another pointless back and forth. Aren't you guys also tired of this?
>>4014369honestly it would pass over just fine if you as well would learn to let it be. practice what you preach.In the grand scheme of 4 fucking thousand posts, it's really not that big of a deal is it?
i just played through day 1 of DRY, and after suffering through the disaster that was CH5, it felt so fucking refreshing and so fucking goodand the fact that it's being made by a regular of this website...you have restored my hope DRYanongodspeed
>>4014378not dryanon, but it's always nice to see someone experience something homegrown like this.
>>4014376nta in this particular case, it's not going to blow over and stop until someone steps in and kindly tells everyone to shut the fuck up.Like this isn't a one time occurrence, this has happened multiple times for the same exact thing, in multiple threads, to the point where people are genuinely sick of one guy who's going around accusing everyone of being a samefag or troll, because he doesn't like what they post or thinks they're someone else.It's happened so often that I'm convinced the ones making these rant posts, are actually the ones trying to stir up trouble, to the point where people who have nothing to do with are getting wrapped up in it.One time fine, second time okay sure, any more than that and your just intentionally trying to prolong a problem or create one.Regardless I allowed myself to get roped into this, so I'm going to disengage right here, and I urge you and others to do the same.
>>4014384actually it had stopped quite nicely.
>>4014361Might as well start talking about the porn you just jerked it to if being on-topic doesn't matter
>>4014389I'm not into that.You do you.
I just went back and played an old flash game "pause ahead" and while the game itself felt like a good example of "frustrating hitboxes in games" it also made me wonder about some other ways that you could work "game mechanic ability soul" in a fangame. the way you pause in that pausing everything but your last motion, maybe something like that could fit a patience soul since a lot of the time it leaves you basically crawling across the screen.Maybe it would be neat if every soul had some kind of "save/time manipulation ability" but each one worked different in some way or another.
>>4014390Well what do you want to talk about?
>>4014399I'm mostly interested in talking about fangames, but there's not much to discuss lately.To be totally honest I get people like it, but the endless erotic discussion seems kind of unproductive to me.
>>4014398>Maybe it would be neat if every soul had some kind of "save/time manipulation ability" but each one worked different in some way or another.People here have talked about the perseverance soul having a quicksave/quickload ability, bravery soul with fast travel, and while its not exactly time based, the justice soul in UTY seems to be able to see into others memories
>>4014406>People here have talked about the perseverance soul having a quicksave/quickload abilityI remember that one, I like the idea, though quicksave powers always scare the shit out of me when thinking about what the worst case scenarios are>bravery soul with fast travelnever seen that, I wonder what the logic is for it.>and while its not exactly time based, the justice soul in UTY seems to be able to see into others memoriesit's "kind of" time based because you're seeing what happened in that persons past so it still fits the theme enough, and plays into the justice theming well.
>>4014408>I remember that one, I like the idea, though quicksave powers always scare the shit out of me when thinking about what the worst case scenarios areI imagine the quicksave uses a different slot than the regular saves, either that or this is a mechanic that gets unlocked during the final boss fight since its so overpowered.>never seen that, I wonder what the logic is for it.I think its just taking an existing RPG mechanic and associating it with a soul, I guess it keeps the theme of bravery being about movement in Undertale, it could fit the "time" theme if time didn't progress after using the fast travel, even if most games with the mechanic do move the time forward when you use it.>it's "kind of" time based because you're seeing what happened in that persons past so it still fits the theme enough, and plays into the justice theming well.I do like it and think it goes well with the justice soul, its just that its not something commonly used as a game mechanic in RPGs.
>>4014409>I imagine the quicksave uses a different slot than the regular saves, either that or this is a mechanic that gets unlocked during the final boss fight since its so overpowered.it would be unique to make a game where you could only quicksave and quick load, but never reset (though that would probably be hated by the player). The idea of a soul that only has access to quick saves doing so right before an attack hit them.>it could fit the "time" theme if time didn't progress after using the fast travel,that makes sense, though I have to wonder if there was also some inspiration from instant transmission because of val.>its just that its not something commonly used as a game mechanic in RPGs.yeah that's fair, I guess you could stretch it and say "flashbacks are a thing in games" but that probably wasn't in mind when the mechanic was made. Or maybe it was I dont know.>>4014403>but there's not much to discuss lately.aside from just coming up with ideas for stories and games, there's a decent amount of of fangames outside of here as well that came out somewhat recently that haven't gotten all that much discussion. I'll be starting the soul blazers game myself pretty soon after I go and get the real ending or whatever from lost deltarune.>but the endless erotic discussion seems kind of unproductive to me.there's plenty of other discussion but I don't know what makes that particular thing "unproductive". Gets the noggin joggin as well as anything else does.
>>4014410oh continuing this line of thought, I think that pause mechanic then might be really good for patience, though it could be a bit busted combined with anything else, but maybe it could be used just to pause or bullet time combat?
>>4013950Oldentale is a prequel to Undertale set during the human-monster war. The specific size of the time gap between it and Undertale is vague, but generally a very long time. The game follows Racter, who through a series of events, ends up possessing a human soul, and that soul is (you). Now he's doing his best to try not to die, while everyone else does the same, and unfortunately those two things may be mutually exclusive. Wiki is one of the bosses from Oldentale, and is Toriel's sister.>>4013962I think you'd like what I have written for Oldentale. A big thing in the game is showing things that were lost to history. Maybe those history books got a few things wrong, and maybe some stuff was simply never written down to begin with. It's been a very long time since the war happened after all.>>4013973Humans in general are in the vague era before history was properly recorded and defined, back when entire civilizations could be forgotten and lost to time. Some of them may have been on the bronze age level or even higher. The ones currently fighting the monsters are not. They're only a couple steps above nomadic hunter gatherer tribes. Somewhat like the Celts, only without the Romans around.And monster society and technology revolves around magic, so most of it is practically worthless in the hands of a human. Except simple things like metal tools which can be operated by hand without magic.So most of monster society would've simply blown away like dust in the wind (both literally and metaphorically) after the monsters that built it were gone.
>>4013954I think it'd be pretty cool as long as the second playthough keeps things fresh and the ending is actually good.
>>4014410>it would be unique to make a game where you could only quicksave and quick load, but never resetIf a fangame got no reset button most players would just delete the save file to force a reset.>quick saves doing so right before an attack hit them.Getting stuck on a death loop sounds exactly like the kind of situation that would make a human soul lose all determination,>that makes sense, though I have to wonder if there was also some inspiration from instant transmission because of val.I think this idea predates Val? Still Val learning instant transmission as part of his soul trait sounds funny, I think this mechanic has potential for some interesting scenarios.>yeah that's fair, I guess you could stretch it and say "flashbacks are a thing in games" but that probably wasn't in mind when the mechanic was made. Or maybe it was I dont know.If you really want to stretch the definition, you could say that its like playing a demo, like in Doom, that would make it game mechanic related, even if its not something related to RPGs.
>>4013959>r, what do you guys think of a fangame with multiple romance options for the player character?I love it. Its what I wish Deltarune did, instead of just multiple teases like it did.
>>4014360>nice, I actually really like seeing the sketch/linework phases of peoples stuff when they're willing to post it. It's like peering into unknowable runes.Eh, I think my sketchwork is pretty plain when it's actually done, I tend to clean up my WIPs to reduce file size as I work on them. The only thing that would probably be interesting to look at would be all the unused layers and ideas present in disabled layers or layer groups, but those obviously wouldn't be visible in just a screenshot of the sketch itself.>When you know the value of something that's hard for yourself to get, it makes it that much more impactful to you yourself granting it to others.Yeah, that's a decent way of putting it. It reminds me of some psychological theory I saw someone talk about once, that "the things you lack in childhood are what you crave as an adult for yourself and others".I don't know how much credence to give to that idea, but it may have some point, vaguely.
>>4014417>If a fangame got no reset button most players would just delete the save file to force a reset.honestly yeah a lot of people would do that.there was that one shot game where I think the demo stayed true to the "one shot" name? >Getting stuck on a death loop sounds exactly like the kind of situation that would make a human soul lose all determinationyeah that sounds about right, kind of nauseating to imagine a situation like that. >I think this mechanic has potential for some interesting scenarios.could be anything from just being a game mechanic that characters joke about to something more serious where you are operating under very limited time constraints and that power is all that's barely keeping you above the water.>that would make it game mechanic related, even if its not something related to RPGs.honestly nothing wrong with pulling from more than just RPGs if it plays into the game well.
>>4013988He backtracked every other good bold decision he made in this game. I can totallyl see him backtracking this too.
>>4014419>Eh, I think my sketchwork is pretty plain when it's actually done, I tend to clean up my WIPs to reduce file size as I work on them. The only thing that would probably be interestingI get it, 'I just think it's neat' for some reason.>I don't know how much credence to give to that idea, but it may have some point, vaguely.it sounds like something that has some grounds but is stated too firmly as fact since there's all sorts of driving forces in us. Still, it's not unreasonable.
>>4014000I like the art (from his main, not the other one), but come on, its too funny to not mention.
>>4014004Its not the ballet they're associating.
>>4014038If they fixed the designs maybe.
>>4014422>I get it, 'I just think it's neat' for some reason.Fair enough, I guess it's not something you get to see too terribly often, I suppose I don't think too much of it since I see it all the time.>Still, it's not unreasonable.Well, it partially explains some things, but I think I like the way you put it better.
>>4014418Deltarune should give you two romances options, one is Susie and the other is Berdly, no doe for anyone
>>4014041The side characters look way better than the MCs.
So, did UT Wildfire die or what?
>>4014044I think it is an original setting. Its just one that's functionally equivalent to hometown.
>>4014430Pretty sure that anon meant an original setting in the Deltarune world, not an original setting that's a legally distinct DR
>>4014429There hasn't been an update on UTW in months, quit asking already.
>>4014123Its not like chapter 5 is the first time people have been unhappy with Deltarune, even if it is the worst offender. No art needs to exist, but there's certainly a demand for "deltarune but good" out there. I certainly want more Deltarune, but not the Deltarune Toby is making.
>>4014116She looks good here. That's exactly how I draw her looking dead on.
>>4014434Really?I have the sprite right next to her head while I'm working on this, and I swear there's just some disconnect I can't describe that's just throwing it all off for me.Like, I'm looking at the sprite, and I think it looks good, but I look at the head I drew, and it just doesn't click for me.But if you think it looks good, fuckin', I dunno.
>>4014041>Hedgehog AlphysI do like her. Bird Undyne(?) has completely lost the plot but she is very cool. Shame they probably won't be routes.
>>4014184Matpat has a wife and kids. And they're not adopted, those are his biological kids that he had with his biologically female wife.>furriesThey were deviant from the start. But it was lot more raunchy humor than pure unironic fetishism. And the culture of acceptance and hugboxes got started in the 2000s. Before that they were degens in the same way people here are degens. They all knew a lot of the people there were weird, the weirdos accepted they were weird, and everyone had a good laugh about it while the weirdos traded sexy drawings with each other.
>>4014186The UTY devs created prohibition?
>>4014191They were degens, but the culture was different back then. There was a big shift in the early 2000s and late 90s that resulted in a massive schism in the fandom. People got a lot weirder and a lot more open about their weirdness, and people started getting really sensitive about their art. Oldschool furries were all about irreverent edgy humor with cartoon animals, but in the 2000s they became more of a place where everyone comforted and encouraged each other, no negativity allowed.
>>4014192>>4014194They didn't have to be in the same class to be friends. Maybe Mooch was a freshman while they were juniors or seniors.
>>4014443The issue is Roba, we know she and Starlo were childhood friends and roughly the same ageEven if you go with Kanako being 8 or so, that means that Roba is at minimum mid 20s, if she had her as soon as she turned 18, otherwise you get into that issue with groomerjin and teen pregnancyEven if Mooch was a few years behind, unless she was still a kid/in middle school but friends with high schoolers, the timeline doesn't align
>>4014239I feel like that nazi general watching Hitler cope about retaking Germany in Downfall.
>>4014444Roba is actually 22 years old during UTY, I won't elaborate on this
>>4014241>Then again, this is all written by the guy who softened the anti-Toriel backlash with her explanations.It really gets overlooked because of all the other shit, but that was another absolutely awful thing chapter 5 did, to the detriment of the entire rest of the game and the characters in it.
>>4014445I would say I'm more like Stalin pacing back and forth before deciding not to evacuate from the German invasion.I will not give in to lesbianazism, we will hold the line, and push it back.
>>4014247>, but I don't feel like it was a walking-back of what happened in chapter 4, it just felt like us getting to see more information on what actually happened.It making it not as bad makes it walking back.The scene was obviously meant to be read and horrible and to shatter Susie's view of Toriel while showing a major reason why Kris is so miserable in his seemingly happy home. The whole game goes out of its way to set up this petty antagonism involving Sans, then has it climax in chapter 4. Only to then walk literally all of the intereresting developments of that scene back right there. Toriel is right back to being Mrs Perfect again, alongside Sans being lifted out of the ugly bastard role.
>>4014415Do we know what exactly the reason is for this the war starting besides it supposedly being born of Human fear? I asume Asgore is King and leading the war effort. And should the Protagonist not be overpowered compared to other Monsters given they have a human soul? Is this Racter perhaps the guy that unintentionally stared this entire war in the first place by getting his hands on a human soul?
>>4014451>Toriel is right back to being Mrs Perfect againI mean, she really isn't.She still made an ass of herself in front of her child, and her child's friend, and she still didn't go looking for them when she thought something might be up, and you know, the whole thing with the blood stain by Kris's bed is still a thing.She's still pretty far from perfect, we just got more information on what happened at the end of chapter 4 in particular, which I already thought wasn't that bad to begin with based on what we knew at the time.>alongside Sans being lifted out of the ugly bastard role.He never really was that either.Sure, he's like, vaguely something of a jerk in a few lines here and there before chapter 4, but even then he's really not doing anything he didn't do in UT with Frisk, just by being kinda weird and tricky.
>>4014454Give it up, the persecution/victim complex of this thread must be maintained at any and all costs, including constantly shitting on any hopefuls
>>4014408>though quicksave powers always scare the shit out of me when thinking about what the worst case scenarios areMaybe play into that. Perseverence screws himself by making a bad save in an uniwinnable fight and dies permanently because of it.
>>4014455>Give it upI'll never give up hope.I'll never be like you.We all have a choice.
>>4014410>flashbacks are a thing in games"Kind of a tangent, but being able to time travel and invade people's pasts by abusing flashbacks seems like a power (you) would have in a weird route type route. Kinda makes me think of the "flashbacks" in Nanquest.
Seeing this brought up again, I'll just say let us just agree that Asgore and Toriel are both inept parents, and all it would take is a some difficult even to destroy their family. Like the tragic event that happened in Deltarune was WAY more tame than the tragic event that happened in Undertale, yet it still resulted in a Divorce likely instigated by Toriel. They're both very affectionate but frankly suck at reading cues and properly raising their kids, especially Kris, which is likely because they have zero proper idea how to correctly raise a human. Ironically Undertale Asgore and Toriel mightve been way more competant parents if Chara didnt desired to be a little misanthropic shithead.
>>4014459>Ironically Undertale Asgore and Toriel mightve been way more competant parents if Chara didnt desired to be a little misanthropic shithead.To be fair, they should've known something was up when they adopted a child capable of melting their face on command.
>>4014459Also remember that Kris is in Toriel's custody and care, so she general deserves more scrutiny for neglectful actions than Asgore does. Though I do have to give a bit of shit to Asgore himself for being way to obsessed with trying to win Toriel back instead of just accepting divorced dad status and spending time with his Kid regardless. Toriel might be a bit of a bitch to Asgore but I doubt she'd stop him from spending fatherly time with Kris. Both these goats are just a tad dumb desu.
>>4014453>I asume Asgore is KingHe's not, the current king is his father. Asgore is around, but he's pretty young.>s this Racter perhaps the guy that unintentionally stared this entire war in the first place by getting his hands on a human soul?No, the war has already been going for a while now. And its not been going well for the monsters. Hence the desperation to get that soul from him, at any cost.
>>4014457>I'll never give up hope.I reject that hope!
>>4014463Then die, that's not my problem.
>>4014460Yeah I honestly legit hate Chara as an individual, the bastard serves a good purpose of showing how destructive misanthropy is, because it was his hatred of his own kind that started the beginning of the times of troubles for monsterkind in the Underground. And his hatred of humanity spread to Asgore and then to mosnter society as a whole (even if most mosnters seem to also be big philiacs for human cultures and stuff. Undyne hates humans but also loves them for example). Hell even in fangames like Undertale Yellow, the main preventable chain of tragic events is caused by Chujin and later Ceroba's own personal vendeta against humanity.
>>4014464Even if I die my ideas will still linger, we refuse to be part of Toby's script, we will no longer perpetuate this cycle of hope only for the dog to crush it all in the next release.
>>4014462>He's not, the current king is his father. Asgore is around, but he's pretty young.Nice, I was actually hoping for something like that. >No, the war has already been going for a while now. And its not been going well for the monsters. Hence the desperation to get that soul from him, at any cost.So im assuming some lore retcons about the honestly scare info about the War huh? Because the way the war is portrayed by the Monsters is that it was an absurdly on sided war were not a single human was killed and most of monsterkind bit the literal dust. I doubt such an imbalance of power would result in a long drawn out multi-generational war.
>>4014454>She still made an ass of herself in front of her child,Which the following chapter swept under the rug entirely. It paints her in a positive light and takes action to defang her crimes the previous night. Even if she still did technically do wrong things, the tone of her being horrible and doing horrible things is no longer there. Now it feels like its just a big misunderstanding on Kris and Susie's part>He never really was that either.Yes he was, he was openly antagonistic to Kris in basically every interaction, and Kris seemed to dislike him in those interactions.>but even then he's really not doing anything he didn't do in UT with FriskYeah, that's what makes it so great (or what did anyways). He's the exact person he was in Undertale, doing the exact same things, only because of the different context, you see just how much of a bastard he is. He's coming in and ruining Kris's family life for his own benefit, then rubbing salt in the wound by making jokes about it as Kris's expense, eating his food, and keeping him up all night partying with Toriel in a scene that's an obvious visual metaphor for them fucking in another room.But then chapter 5 came in and said "no, this is all fine actually. Just a misunderstanding, nothing to see here"
>>4014461>Though I do have to give a bit of shit to Asgore himself for being way to obsessed with trying to win Toriel backHe doesn't deserve an ounce of shit for that. The worst sin he commits there is being naive. Toriel is the one in the wrong, she deserves the shit.
>>4014459I'll accept that they're inept, but Toriel deserves way more shit than the game is willing to give her, and Asgore doesn't deserve the shit chapter 5 did to his character.
>>4014469>He doesn't deserve an ounce of shit for that.EGGS HUSBAND
>>4014444Why would Kanako be 8? She seemed a lot younger to me. Like a small child or toddler.
>>4014464>>4014463I have no hope for Toby, or that pathetic excuse of a future he's offered us. My only hope is the one I make myself. Deltarune is dead, long live the fangames.
>>4014474I assume she is the same age as Clover, and Clover is around the same age as Frisk, and it's usually agreed Frisk is 8 or 9 (I personally thought 12 but that seems to be wrong)Deltarune showed that the cast is 16 (thankfully, was tired of people calling them middle schoolers) and the Dess incident happened maybe 7 years before the current time (based on hints like the dragon book's overdue time) which would make them 9, matching Frisk's supposed age (also the ages the kid sprites of Kris and Noelle seem to be like, specially compared with the Noelle sprite from the 10th anniversary stream)Sure Kanako could be younger but at least for me it makes more sense she is the same age as Clover
>>4014468>Even if she still did technically do wrong things, the tone of her being horrible and doing horrible things is no longer there.Again, the bloodstain. The big ol' bloodstain that was on the carpet near Kris's bed that apparently had gone unnoticed or untended to until Susie sees it.That still happened, Toriel's record hasn't been sanitized, unlike the carpet.>Yes he was, he was openly antagonistic to Kris in basically every interaction, and Kris seemed to dislike him in those interactions.Kris dislikes a lot of things, and Sans isn't really doing much else than being kinda weird, which isn't much worth noting in DR, given that basically everyone is like that.>He's coming in and ruining Kris's family life for his own benefitThat already wasn't very good, he isn't doing that much damage by this point.>then rubbing salt in the wound by making jokes about it as Kris's expenseKris's life is a joke at his expense, it's basically fine.>eating his foodI don't actually think we know if Sans ate the food, I think he just cleared it out to make room for his ketchup.I actually don't think we ever see Sans eat or drink anything aside from ketchup, ever, save for the lemonade in one of the UT Kickstarter trailers way back when.>and keeping him up all night partying with Toriel in a scene that's an obvious visual metaphor for them fucking in another room.Don't worry, Susie came back in to yell at them to keep quiet during that scene, you can hear her audio bleeps silencing them.>But then chapter 5 came in and said "no, this is all fine actually. Just a misunderstanding, nothing to see here"It's not that there's nothing to see there, just that we were really only seeing one side of things. There are lots of things that seem bad at first glance, that are then revealed not to be as bad later on.Not *good*, just not as bad.
>>4014467>I doubt such an imbalance of power would result in a long drawn out multi-generational war.I didn't say it was multi generational. > Because the way the war is portrayed by the Monsters is that it was an absurdly on sided war were not a single human was killed and most of monsterkind bit the literal dustAll the current hail mary plans for monster victory involve the capture of just one human soul, something they still have yet to manage despite uncountable casualties and destruction. Make no mistake, this war is absolutely a one sided stomp, just one the monsters have been fighting tooth and nail to drag out for as long as possible.
>>4014471All on Toriel and Sans.
>>4014478>just one the monsters have been fighting tooth and nail to drag out for as long as possible.realistically they shouldn't be able to draw the fight at all, only retreat
>>4014479He was obviously stalking Toriel the entire time waiting for his chance to make her laugh, I understand Asgore not wanting to give up on his family, but come on, this isn't even about Toriel, he should have more self respect.
>>4014469>>4014470Listen i've always been on Deltarune Asgore's side but I am not blind to his flaws. Honestly his epiphany on said flaws near the end of Ch 5 already address those issues. He realized he wasn't the best dad he couldve been and is ready to change for the better. Thats way more than one can say for Toriel.Ultimately Deltarune Asgore is mainly guilty of the guilt of failing to find his best friend's daughter and having his obsession for solving the mystery conflict with his Family life. Honestly I bet Rudy himself feels a bit guilty that the entire Dess Dissapearence incident was the root cause for his best friend becoming divorced because Asgore just gave too much of a damn about his daughter. He really is a saint compared to his Undertale counterpart, which does make Toriel divoring and being such a meanie to him look pretty bad for Toriel
>>4014480I'm NTA, but as somebody who's been in your shoes before, I'm just going to tell you that you're going to think a lot of things like that Oldentale, and you're just gonna have to accept that at some point.
>>4014482Doesn't Sans turn around during that scene?I think Asgore may have made *him* laugh, at least.
>>4014476>and it's usually agreed Frisk is 8 or 9 (I personally thought 12 but that seems to be wrong)Is it? I always read him as a toddler, since kids around that age are pretty androgynous, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to see some little boy wear a tutu because no one told him those were for girls, or for some little girl to wear a manly bandana for the same reason.>Deltarune showed that the cast is 16No it didn't. It gave a rough range which included 16 as a possible value in an arg email. They're just general teenagers with specific canon age beyond that.
>>4014486>They're just general teenagers with specific canon age beyond that.Chapter 5 implied at least Temmie is leaving for college next year or so which puts them in middle to late high school age, as well as Catti having a waitress job and Berdly working at the libraryBut the ARG is a big one to narrow it down, sure it isn't in game but narrows down a lot more when people were putting the DR cast at 12 year old age before
>>4014478Honestly wouldnt it be funny if the Monsters actually were the ones who started the war because they underestimated their Human neighbor due to how primative and barbaric they seemed? Their invasion might ended like the catostrophic failure for the Romans against the German Tribes at the Battle of Teutoburg Forest, but way worse, and ever since they were on the defensive.
>>4014477>Again, the bloodstain.Completely ingored by the tone. >and Sans isn't really doing much else than being kinda weird,He's being a dick to Kris while fucking his mom, that is a very big issue. You really shouldn't be antagonizing the kids of the woman you're dating.>he isn't doing that much damage by this point.He's putting the nails in the coffin, and burying it six feet under so it stays absolutely ruined forever. He is making sure the damage will never ever be fixed.>Kris's life is a joke at his expense, it's basically fine.That just makes it worse>, I think he just cleared it out to make room for his ketchup.That also makes it worse.>, you can hear her audio bleeps silencing themDo we know that was her silencing them? Maybe that was just the game shifting focus from one sound to another.>, just that we were really only seeing one side of things. There are lots of things that seem bad at first glance, that are then revealed not to be as bad later on.That's the problem, that is textbook whitewashing. It should be all bad, or mostly bad, even on its "good" side. Anything less is whitewashing to make her perfect again. It has to feel bad or it may as well not have any flaws at all.
>>4014482Asgore was going to the store for his free pickle. Toriel just happened to be there and he made his desperate attempt at a dad joke. Toriel's the cruel one for taking away his ability to make those jokes in a healthy way.
>>4014487I think them being teens in high school already ruled out them being 12.
>>4014493You really don't remember how many people thought they were middle schoolers in the earlier chapters, even around the ch 3+4 days that was still happening, it only died down recently
>>4014491>Do we know that was her silencing them? Maybe that was just the game shifting focus from one sound to another.Pretty sure, both Sans and Toriel's noises cut out once Susie's voice bleeps end, and I don't know what else Susie's voice bleeps would've been for if not for yelling at them, since she's still right in front of the house by the time the camera shows us what she's doing again.>It should be all bad, or mostly bad, even on its "good" side. Anything less is whitewashing to make her perfect again. It has to feel bad or it may as well not have any flaws at all.Okay, yeah, I don't feel like getting into one of these right now, I'd rather just get back to work.
>>4014494NTA, but when chapter 1 first came out, I kinda figured Kris was just the same age I was at the time, around early highschool.
>>4014492>Asgore was going to the store for his free pickleWhen he jumped out of the bushes at the church's entrance to offer her flowers, was that a coincidence too?
>>4014459...So they're the average American couple? I'd say Toriel is slightly worse than average, however.>>4014465History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.
NGL Toriel gives off the vibe of someone who was her mother's least favorite child and probably neglected, which in her case translates to being very motherly to children and youngins, but also frankly sucking at a lot of the nuanced aspects of being a parent.Not speculating this to make Tori seem more pitiable, but to explain why she genuinely sucks at proper Mom-ing. I make this claim because I have an Auntie who was basically like that and reminds me a bit of Toriel. Very loving, but also a pretty incompetent parent (Also a classic cause of Wine Aunt).
>>4014480The monsters have numbers, technology, and logistics on their side. They have dust for the mill, while the humans can't afford a single soul being captured. So it leads to this incredibly brutal stalemate where the monsters are doomed to a slow defeat because they're losing soldiers while the humans aren't.>>4014488The monsters, prior to the war, did view humans as being little more than animals. Though, they still claim that the humans are the aggressors.
>>4014498>...So they're the average American couple? I'd say Toriel is slightly worse than average, however.Is that how bad the situation is in whatever part of the States you're in? Sorry to hear that man. Boomers sucked at raising kids, so their kids also suck at raising kids. It's a cycle.>History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.Yep, thats why things changed for the better when Frisk broke the pattern of fallen humans dying mainly due to monsterkind's animosity, and resulted in the Barrier finally being broken.
>>4014500>The monsters have numbers, technology, and logistics on their sidethe humans have one hit kills and extreme magic resistance, unless the monsters have millions of soldier they can't counter that
>>4014499I like how so many people can relate to Toriel in almost entirely negative ways.I don't think anyone has a good story about how someone in their life reminds them of Toriel, I've never seen that happen before.
>>4014483>on said flaws near the end of Ch 5My issue is with the flaws chapter 5 gives him. It just forces him to be a threatening and violent lunatic who ingored his family and falsely accused them of hating him, so it can make him be at fault for the divorce. I reject the characterization.>He really is a saint compared to his Undertale counterpart,He was justified in Undertale too. He had a duty to his people, and that duty came before anything else.> which does make Toriel divoring and being such a meanie to him look pretty bad for TorielToriel in Undertale is like a child. The ideas of responsibility and duty beyond anything other than the personal level are completely alien to her. The idea of Asgore having a duty to his people doesn't even register to her, so she just blames it all on anger and cowardice, because those are the terms she thinks in.
>>4014500>The monsters, prior to the war, did view humans as being little more than animals. Though, they still claim that the humans are the aggressors.Honestly that does make sense, because like, every other living thing is made of flesh and blood. While Monsters are made of Magic dust and whatever else. So they probably used to associate such meatbags as being inferior and common creatures (humans included), while they are special and unique. Meanwhile for a human, it just makes monsters seem like unatural freaks of nature.
>>4014495>and I don't know what else Susie's voice bleeps would've been for if not for yelling at themTo show that she's talking outside the house, and to explain why Kris shifts focus to her. Sans and Toriel may not have stopped, Kris may have just stopped listening to them.>Okay, yeah, I don't feel like getting into one of these right now, I'd rather just get back to work.Thank you. I don't like thinking about this stuff either.
>>4014361>>4014364I wonder what a boss fight against him would be like or like the arena.Like maybe you "accidentally" clip out of bounds in a platforming segment in Naranja and there's a whole inbetween area where things are buggy looking or you jump through a top down area with platforming controls.
>>4014494I don't think I ever encountered those people. That doesn't change my point though, just means those people lack basic critical thinking or that they didn't pay attention at all.>>4014496same
>>4014503I mean I do in fact love my Aunt and she is a good person at heart. There are some positive behaviors of her that remind me of Tori, but there are way more negative things that remind me of the Goat. My Cousin even once told me that "I love my mom, but I wish she wasn't my mom and just my aunt. Like I wish I was in your shoes bro". That hit me a bit hard, because ouch, poor Cuz. At least she's a way better Grandma than a Ma and drinks way less Whiskey than she used to
>>4014497No, that was still ultimately Toriel's fault though. She pushed him to that point. Can't fault a man for loyalty or innocence.
>>4014508>I don't think I ever encountered those people.NTA, but there were plenty of people saying that the characters in Deltarune are 12 or 13 years old at most, completely ignoring that Catti and Berdly have jobs
>>4014509Aha, man, jeez.That's rough.I'd have said my own mom kinda reminds me of Toriel, but I think she'd have to have cared more in order for that comparison to have any weight to it.Anywho-
>>4014510>She pushed him to that point>Anon I swear to god, I dislike Toriel too but now you're just whitewashing Asgore's creepy and pathetic behavior
>>4014502The monsters were much stronger on average back then, boss monsters weren't extinct (though the humans are working on fixing that), and they had all sorts of crazy magitech for combined arms warfare. And even the strongest human can still die if he slips up a few times while dodging, and monsters can attack him from outside of his range as seen in the Undyne chase. And keep in mind, just one casualty could snowball into monster victory. So they have to be careful. Really the monsters would have the advantage if the humans didn't seemingly get the best possible outcome in every fight.
>>4014514>The monsters were much stronger on average back thenBut you made it clear that fodder like Racter still existed back thenlike by how you're describing it, this war must have lasted generations or be over in a few months by how Undertale describes it
>>4014504>My issue is with the flaws chapter 5 gives him. It just forces him to be a threatening and violent lunatic who ingored his family and falsely accused them of hating him, so it can make him be at fault for the divorce. I reject the characterization.I do in fact agree there. Honestly I was disappointed about how Asgore was hyped up and then nothing came with it and he reverted to being "Mr Dad Guy" mode.>He was justified in Undertale too. He had a duty to his people, and that duty came before anything else.Despite my bias towards humanity, from his POV and how fresh the death of his son was I do understand. But he could have gone about things better. But people forget that part of his brazen reknewal of hostility against humanity wasnt just emotional, but in order to keep Monster Homes and Dreams fired up. Because monster's can literally die if they lose said hopes and dreams. Asgore probably prevented a large scale depression induced "Falling Down" of many monsters.>Toriel in Undertale is like a child. The ideas of responsibility and duty beyond anything other than the personal level are completely alien to her. The idea of Asgore having a duty to his people doesn't even register to her, so she just blames it all on anger and cowardice, because those are the terms she thinks in.Yes. Compared to actual Queens across history, she seems to have very little loyalty and dedication towards her people. It is unbecoming of the Queen of Monsterkind. The thing is she didnt even need to abandon being a bleeding heart and an advocate against a reknewed war, but she let her emotions get the better of her and abandoned the Kingdom in it's darkest hour. So many people who try to psycho-analyze these two Goats like smartasses seem to forget the very large factor that they're monarchs of an entire civilization. They arent just a regular married couple in Undertale. A good King and Queen do put the needs and welfare of the entire Kingdom above themselves.
>>4014499I also like to think of Toriel's mother as being a real piece of work. Though I don't know if she was the least favorite. Her mother might have just been shit to all of her kids (heh).Now I'm thinking about Wiki and Toriel's childhood. Imagining them like the grainy black and white photos of Queen Victoria with her children, all the kids posing like well trained dogs rather than happy children.
>>4014517Headcanoning Toriel's mom as being a pretty shitty baphomet-goat looking boss monster that treated her daughters as political pawns for marrying into other families. Because I am assuming Toriel's family is Royalty as well due to being boss monsters.
>>4014513No, the problem is with society for not being able to recognize how inherently wrong divorce is. Sure its pathetic, but its pathetic because Asgore did everything right as a husband and was still placed in this position because Toriel simply decided to leave. And its only creepy because feminism has decided that married couples don't have a right to each other and society accepted it.Loving your wife and doing everything in your power to express that is what a husband should do. The creepiness is just the result of Toriel, aided by society at large, forcing him into that role when trying to express the love that he should be expressing.
>>4014519>The creepiness is just the result of Toriel, aided by society at large, forcing him into that role when trying to express the love that he should be expressing.NTA, but I'm surprised I haven't ever seen someone compare Asgore to D-FENS at any point.Seems like it would've come up sometime before now.
>>4014503She does have positive traits. She is at least kind and caring to her children, even if she's an evil bitch towards her husband, and horribly absent minded to towards her kids.
>>4014511I suppose 12 and 13 year old are pretty lacking in critical thinking skills.
>>4014520I was thinking about that earlier when him being arbitrarily made aggressive towards his family late in the story came up, but didn't, because D-fens was a very aggressive person from the start of the movie, even if he is right to be angry about basically everything. Falling Down is about a man with anger issues crashing out. His wife was a bitch, but she had more justification that Toriel, and it was set up better.
>>4014293>not upsetThat's good, I was worried I messed up.>Also, good phox.Appreciate it!Now I should focus on writing but games and art (mostly games) pull me. I really need to do one last check over the yapfest story I keep bringing ip and share it, despite the potential ripping.
>>4014515Fodder still existing, but there were more strong monsters as well. >this war must have lasted generations or be over in a few months by how Undertale describes itI don't see why it would have to be exclusively either of those two with no in between.
>>4013918I'm happy with seeing more pregnant Zenith Martlet.
>>4014519>No, the problem is with society for not being able to recognize how inherently wrong divorce is. I mean divorce is wrong because the people that get divorced probably shouldn't have been married in the first place, there's a lot of valid reasons for a divorce to happen.>Sure its pathetic, but its pathetic because Asgore did everything right as a husband and was still placed in this position because Toriel simply decided to leave.We still don't how the full story behind why Asgore and Toriel got divorced, sure I doubt the full context would change things, but Asgore should move on, Toriel doesn't want to know anything about him, instead of debasing himself he should find someone else who appreciates him, or at the very least focus his love on his children instead of trying to go back to a woman who hates him.>Loving your wife and doing everything in your power to express that is what a husband should do. The creepiness is just the result of Toriel, aided by society at large, forcing him into that role when trying to express the love that he should be expressing.It's creepy because he's literally following her around waiting for his chance to grovel before her, I die a little inside every time we get one of those Asgore moments.
>>4014518Going with the Queen Victoria thing, I kinda just imagined her as goat Victoria. Some stern faced old lady in a black dress.
>>4014526>I don't see why it would have to be exclusively either of those two with no in between.you are right, even with your description there's zero chance the monsters would last that long, each of their armies and cities would get decimated in a every battle, humans having to be "careful" is irrelevant since you've implied they can save and load, from their point of view they do everything perfectly on their first attempt
>>4014516Honestly you can easily counter Toriel's point about Asgore taking a single soul, crossing the barrier, and getting six more by saying that Asgore was being extremely cautious for the sake of his people and ensuring the highest odds of success. One of the reasons why Asgore is so reluctant is because deep down he knows that another war with Humanity, that he promissed would bring about their destruction, will likely be devastating, with a high chance of monsters losing and being premanltly wiped out. Ignoring personal reasons, why should he risk only leaving with one Soul when he could very likely be killed. At that point in time the Asriel incident might still be fresh in minds of the humans at that point in time and they might be anticipating another Monster attack. If Asgore crossed the Barrier early, he mightve gotten spawn killed lol. So instead Asgore bided his time, part out of genuine reluncantce and hope no humans would fall and part because he wanted to ensure the absolute highest chance of success by become a literal god with seven human souls.
>>4014519NTA, but while I'm opposed to divorce on religious grounds and think it's overwhelmingly abused/misused, there are genuine cases where a couple needs to separate, either due to marrying too hastily or due to having fundamentally incompatible personalities. If they're fighting constantly that'll hurt the kids more than the pain of separation.I do agree that Toriel is almost wholly in the wrong here.>>4014520Asgore robbing Sans' store at gunpoint and holing up in the bunker would've been a fun time.>>4014529Pretty much everyone put on a stern face in photos back then, even kids. Queen Victoria wasn't particularly bad and was in fact open-minded for her time.>>4014530How does that work in the overworld? Does only the most powerful human get to save and load, is it a chaotic mess where everyone resets time, or are there bubbles incongruous with the rest of reality?
>>4014528>, there's a lot of valid reasons for a divorce to happen.Yes, but "I don't want to be married anymore" is not one of them. That commitment is for life. You can't just break it over petty emotion, not after taking such a serious vow, and especially not when children are involved. When kids are involved, you do whatever is necessary to stay together and give that child a proper upbringing. Even if that means swallowing your emotions and putting on a happy face in a loveless marriage.> but Asgore should move on,Practically speaking, yeah, he should. But morally speaking, he's doing the most moral thing he possibly could do, being so hopelessly devoted to his wife, even when he gets nothing but scorn in response. That only makes Toriel worse.>It's creepy because he's literally following her around waiting for his chance to grovel before herAnd he wouldn't be doing that if she did her proper duty as a wife. He's supposed to be with her. She's the one in the wrong for forcing him away.>I die a little inside every time we get one of those Asgore moments.I do too. Watching a good man get pushed to such miserable lows is horrible,
>>4014533>He's supposed to be with her. She's the one in the wrong for forcing him away.NTA, but come on now, even before we got some elaboration on that in chapter 5, we pretty much already knew Asgore either was or seemed completely off the deep end to everyone around him, I don't think it's fair to say Toriel just "forced him away" as if she didn't have a reason for doing so.In Asgore's defense, what he saw was real, and he's not crazy, but from everyone else's perspective, they have no real way of verifying that, so this situation is more just a tragedy for everyone than a situation with a clear villain, except for whoever was behind whatever happened that messed Asgore up in the first place.
>>4014530>from their point of view they do everything perfectly on their first attemptPerfectly only helps if the battle is winnable with no casualties to begin with. There would be a lot of battles where they simply have to retreat because its impossible to do with no losses. And many strategic things may have to stop abruptly because they would lead to casualties later on. The humans are basically just fighting a war of attrition because they know they can win that. And wars of attrition take a long time.
>>4014531>Toriel's point about Asgore taking a single soul, crossing the barrier, and getting six more by saying that Asgore was being extremely cautious for the sake of his people and ensuring the highest odds of success.You can counter it by saying that getting souls was never the point. The point was to minimize death and suffering. With Asgore's plan, only a single human dies every few decades, as opposed to billions of humans or untold numbers of monsters dying.
>>4014532>there are genuine cases where a couple needs to separate, either due to marrying too hastily or due to having fundamentally incompatible personalitiesThere are edge cases obviously, but divorce should only be considered for the sake of the children, or if there's adultery, or if your life is threatened, and even then only if every other option is exhausted.> Queen Victoria wasn't particularly bad and was in fact open-minded for her time.She was open minded in politics. All the writings I've ever heard described her as being cold hearted and often mean towards everyone except her husband, whom she adored. And then after he died she became even worse. I know she stated multiple times that she hated motherhood and felt like a cow whenever she was forced by duty to participate in it.
>>4014535Sounds like the monsters could have easily stomped mankind if the humans didn't have save and loading powersWhich means, shouldn't Racter gaining the power of save and load end with the destruction of the human race? Now the humans can't savescum until they win and the ultra powerful monsters have nothing stopping them from killing a single human and acquiring that power for themselves
>>4014534No, Toriel should have trusted and believed him. Its her duty as his wife to.
>>4014535>>4014532Honestly I think the hypothetical major turning point in the War that caused humanity to become hyper-bold and steamroll the Monsters happened whenever the Mages entered the fray. Humans that finally learned how to use magic from learning from the enemy probably acted as one man army generals that ensured very low risk for human casualties. Humans using magic, even if it was relaged to 6-7 humans also removed Monsterkind's main advantage in the war. As beings that are made of magic, monsters are super vulnerable to magic used against them, even moreso than regular attacks.Basically, having their own magic casters made the humans be way less cautious and slow in their advance against the monsters. Cracking the code on magic and being able to use it was their version of "get a human soul and we win!", albeit less urgent because they wouldve won regardless.
>>4014532>How does that work in the overworld?You ever play a strategy game with a quicksave feature?
>>4014540>alright tori, now hit the second tower>yes, goreyI think her "duty" has limits when that collides with reason.
>>4014541>6-7hehe, you said the funny number
>>4014540Ceroba...
>>4014539At a certain point I have to stop answering questions due to spoilers, but I can assure you I have taken these things into consideration.
>>4014533>Yes, but "I don't want to be married anymore" is not one of them. That commitment is for life. You can't just break it over petty emotion, not after taking such a serious vow, and especially not when children are involved. When kids are involved, you do whatever is necessary to stay together and give that child a proper upbringing. And how do you expect them to have a proper upbringing when their dad has gone full schizo mode talking about some fantasy land? You're making it sound like Toriel dumped his ass over nothing>Even if that means swallowing your emotions and putting on a happy face in a loveless marriage.I don't agree with this point at all, kids can tell when their parents don't love each other believe it or not>Practically speaking, yeah, he should. But morally speaking, he's doing the most moral thing he possibly could do, being so hopelessly devoted to his wife, even when he gets nothing but scorn in response. That only makes Toriel worse.Have you thought that Kris and Asriel might prefer if Asgore didn't humiliate himself at every chance he got? That maybe the morally correct thing here would be to listen what his children have to say on the matter?
>>4014543Nothing of what Asgore was doing was that bad. He was convinced Dess was still alive and was looking for her. That was a good thing he was doing and she should've been on board.But even if he were insane and wanting to do 9/11 to get Dess back, the proper thing to do is to get him mental help. Not to just kick him out and avoid him every chance she gets.>>4014545Ceroba would be the #1 best wife of all time if she were just a little less dumb.
>>4014548>the proper thing to do is to get him mental helpMaybe they tried but he refused since he knew what he saw on the dark world was real
>>4014541I think them gaining LV from the constant battling would be a bigger factor. Plus them becoming better equipped and organized while the monsters are constantly losing resources, numbers, and territory.Maybe Racter was just the spark that lit the powder keg and made the humans go on the offensive. Lit a fire under their ass and made them get moving.
>>4014546at least we got confirmation that the average monster in Oldentale is orders of magnitude stronger than Undyne The Undying
>>4014545I would say that Ceroba and Toriel make for interesting contrasts as two tragic (and shitty) mothers on the opposite end of the Husband loving spectrum.But to give Ceroba the benefit of the doubt, she seemed to be a pretty good mother right until Chudjin gave himself Integrity nigger aids and died. After that Roba's heartbreak probably gave her brain damage, and the rest is history. Damaged Goods Ceroba is probably a better mom than both UT and DR Toriel. If i was forced to choose i'd choose the fox to be my mom
>>4014017Quetzali unbirthing Valhttps://files.catbox.moe/2uplfe.png
>>4014539To be fair even if a monster absorbed a human soul the human soul could still rebel from the inside, which can lead to death in some scenarios, so the monsters couldn't really take advantage of a humans determination, unless the human soul in question was also okay with their power being used.
>>4014548>He was convinced Dess was still alive and was looking for her. That was a good thing he was doing and she should've been on board.I think he was probably going about it a bit less sane than you think, especially since we eventually see him talking about how he's going to show everyone the truth like a raging lunatic in chapter 4.Like, even if he was trying to do the right thing, he still could've stood to go about it in a way that didn't make him look insane.
>>4014553>https://files.catbox.moe/2uplfe.pngDon't insert your shitty fetish on a perfectly fine pregnancy piece
>>4014550Also who knows how much that war escalated. Who's to say the humans they were fighting didnt do a "Gonder calls for aid" at some point and rally other human tribes/nations to their side. It's pretty clear that there was only ONE Monster Kingdom, but probably numerous human civilizations
>>4014554So the monsters literally never had a chance?
>>4014547>And how do you expect them to have a proper upbringing when their dad has gone full schizo mode talking about some fantasy land?First of all, when he's been mentally sound his whole life and makes some good points about it, maybe you should listen to him. Second of all, if he is really crazy, you get him mental help. You don't just kick him to the curb. We can see how much damage that did to Kris. Fuck even the TV is traumatized from it.>, kids can tell when their parents don't love each other believe it or notYeah, but being in a divorced family is worse.>That maybe the morally correct thing here would be to listen what his children have to say on the matter?Have they said anything on the matter? If anything, it seems like Kris agrees with Asgore on getting back with Toriel, since he seems to long for that complete family too.
>>4014558Yes they always have and never will. It's part of what makes them so pitable and sympathetic imo.
>>4014550>I think them gaining LV from the constant battling would be a bigger factor. Plus them becoming better equipped and organized while the monsters are constantly losing resources, numbers, and territory.Undertale (XCOM edition)
>>4014549If he's not bad enough to get involuntarily committed then he's not that bad.>>4014555He didn't sound like a raging lunatic in chapter 4. He sounded desperate, but those aren't the same thing.
>>4014556Keep fighting the good fight, brother.
>>4014551What makes you think that?
>>4014562>He didn't sound like a raging lunatic in chapter 4. He sounded desperate, but those aren't the same thing.Okay, sorry, desperate.He sounded like a *desperate* lunatic.
>>4014554I imagine it depends on the strength of the monster and the soul in question.
>>4014564The fact that the monsters always had the chance to kill humans without any troubles, the save/load being their only impediment, without it mankind would have gone extinct in an afternoon
>>4014565He didn't sound like a lunatic at all. Especially not when he has physical proof of magic bullshit in his hand.
>>4014562>If he's not bad enough to get involuntarily committed then he's not that bad.You have no idea
>>4014567The average monster doesn't need to be that strong to kill a human. I've seen players die to common enemies in the ruins before. All it takes is somebody who sucks at dodging.I also never said the average monster could easily kill a human. Just that they would be more of a threat than the average monster in Undertale.
>>4014568>Especially not when he has physical proof of magic bullshit in his hand.I'm pretty sure that's just a weird crystal in the light world.And again, he *sounds* like a lunatic, it doesn't even matter that he's right, it's about how he comes off to other people.
>>4014569They let them out pretty quick. But if they're a threat to themselves or others, they do get at least a short stay in the looney bin. The problem is that they don't *stay* there. Society has no solution for people who are terminally crazy, since it no longer has places to permanently keep them.
>>4014571>I also never said the average monster could easily kill a human. Just that they would be more of a threat than the average monster in Undertale.Alright, so two monsters could easily kill a human then, and they outnumber humans by a factor of 10
>>4014572>I'm pretty sure that's just a weird crystal in the light world.Its exactly the same in the light world as it is in the dark.> he *sounds* like a lunaticAnd I say he doesn't. He doesn't sound crazy at all to me.
>>4014531>If Asgore crossed the Barrier early, he mightve gotten spawn killed lol.I remember some artist actually made concept art about something like this happening in an AU he made. Basically Asgore actually does what Toriel suggested and crossed the Barrier with only one Soul and tried to kill six more humans. However Asgore was instead defeated and killed by a human bounty hunter named Varik (yes that one, from the Halloween Hack) who did a uno reverse card and took Asgore's soul for himself. Varik would then enter the Underground and rule over the Monster Kingdom as it's new tyrant king, keeping monsterkind under his boot in order to prevent another innocent human from dying. Many years later, Frisk would fall down and eventually team up with Undyne (who is the leader of a rebel movement against Varik) in order to dethrone him from power.
>>4014556As someone that's okay with the fetish, I just want to throw it out there that I have nothing to do with this, and respect that not all pregnancy images are associated with it.
>>4014574I didn't say easily. I imagine it'd still be a hard fight, but a human probably would die if he went in a bunch of consecutive back to back battles against monsters with difficult patterns with no chance to heal.
Asgore's rant about parading the guy's body who made the Dark Fountains seems like a justified bout of anger from a broken and humiliated man that's a victim of the Dark Fountain bs. Asgore probably thinks that whoever made the Dark Fountains also killed Dess, it isnt just about it ruining his marriage you know.
>>4014579Realistically speaking, yeah, he's completely justified and never actually says anything wrong in the chapter until the very end. But the chapter bends over backwards to try and frame him as being in the wrong for that.
>>4014559I was writing a longer response but my browser got closedAsgore doesn't have any real proof of what went down in the dark world, he only has some piece of black tinted glass, also he was insane enough for him to get kicked from his job, in that case the entirety of Hometown failed him, not just Toriel>Yeah, but being in a divorced family is worse.Not always, sometimes it can be better if both parents move on but still show affection for their children>if anything, it seems like Kris agrees with Asgore on getting back with Toriel, since he seems to long for that complete family too.With Kris is hard to tell, but of course he would want things to go back to normal when his dad acts like that over the divorce
>>4014575>Its exactly the same in the light world as it is in the dark.Wrong, the flavor text for it in the light world says it's a piece of extremely hard glass, so again, not anything of note outside of a dark world.>And I say he doesn't. He doesn't sound crazy at all to me.Yeah, that's because you're the player, and you know what he's talking about.Think about applying this logic to another game with weird conspiratorial shit that you only learn about later on, like Deus Ex.If you listen to some of the NSF guys on your first playthrough, they sound completely out of it, but only later on you actually get to see what they're talking about, so you understand it better.But the guy talking about the statue attack being an inside job or the hobos talking about people being abducted and tested on still *sound* crazy, even when you know they're right, just because of how they carry themselves.That's what Asgore's got, he's a hobo singing "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" on the streets.
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>>4014581>also he was insane enough for him to get kicked from his job,That was probably because Dess went missing, rather than because he went looking for her. >Not always, sometimes it can be better if both parents move on but still show affection for their childrenI can't think of a situation in which the parents act loving and don't do anything bad like fight, but the child would still be better off with single parents and a broken home.
>>4014582>Wrong, the flavor text for it in the light world says it's a piece of extremely hard glass, sThat's what it is in the dark world too.>If you listen to some of the NSF guys on your first playthrough, they sound completely out of it,You get red pilled about them in the first mission from their dialogue, the intro, the terminals, and the confrontation with their boss. Its very obvious the US is a police state with mass surveillance from the first mission.Also the hobo isn't part of the NSF, he's just a hobo.
>>4014584>I can't think of a situation in which the parents act lovingThat's the problem, you think they would act loving all the time when they don't like each other anymore
>>4014578still sounds like monsters could easily kill them since they outnumber humans so much
>>4014586>That's what it is in the dark world too.Okay, but you see the problem with that, right?If it's just hard glass in both worlds, then that means it's not immediately understandable as anything extraordinary, so no one in their right mind would consider it "evidence" of anything.Also, wrong again, the flavor text in the dark world calls it a "dagger-like shard of the black knife", while the light world flavor text calls it a "small chip of extremely hard glass". It's not the same thing in both worlds, you're just wrong about that.>You get red pilled about them in the first mission from their dialogue, the intro, the terminals, and the confrontation with their boss. Its very obvious the US is a police state with mass surveillance from the first mission.Yeah, it's obvious *something's* wrong, but you don't know about everything from the get go.>Also the hobo isn't part of the NSF, he's just a hobo.Well, the guy at the docks is an informant, so he's loosely affiliated.
>>4014589> so no one in their right mind would consider it "evidence" of anything.I think it being extremely hard and pitch black is something. It probably has other anomalous properties too, since its connected to the knight.> it's obvious *something's* wrongWhich clues you in that these NSF guys might have a point. Especially when they're stealing vaccine to give to the people.>the guy at the docks is an informant, so he's loosely affiliated.The guy at the docks isn't that one crazy hobo though. He's a pretty well composed guy.
>>4014588I can't tell if you're fucking with me right now.
>>4014588If one human child could pretty much wipe out the entire underground of monsters by their lonesome, it's highly unlikely the monsters would be able to beat humans with numbers.
>>4013811>Survey_Program_2 a quasi-remake of Deltarune with the expectations people had back when only Chapter 1 was out and some of the rumors going aroundIt's more so based on fan theories in general, regardless of when they were made. Though it is true earlier chapters' theories make up the bulk of them, since that's when we had the least amount of information and speculation was at its wildest.Otherwise, that's the idea, yeah. To reimagine what Deltarune might be like if some prevalent fan expectations were true.>>4014123For what it's worth, I don't consider SURVEY2 a Snoot Game analogue at all. I look at it more as an homage to fanfiction rather than attempting to be a better Deltarune.I'm not even sure I'd describe Unrelated (funny, I considered that name before going with this one) as a Snoot Game analogue. It only has similar characters to Deltarune, but otherwise seems mostly original.
>>4014591>I think it being extremely hard and pitch black is something.Regular glass can also be extremely hard and pitch black, depending on what exactly it is.Not obsidian or anything, that's actually very brittle, but something else.>It probably has other anomalous properties too, since its connected to the knight.Not that we ever get to see, so you can't count on that for when it comes to proving anything about the existence of the dark worlds.
>>4014592I'm intentionally being an asshole, I do think the dynamic between monsters and humans in Oldentale is too different from what we saw in Undertale
>>4014592I was gonna say I'd give it a 50/50 on him fucking with you, but it looks like that superposition just collapsed.
>>4014594It makes me wonder if Unrelated was just somebody's pet OC project that they arbitrarily are trying to shoehorn into a "Deltarune but good" game because of the new chapter being so bad.
>>4014595>Not obsidian or anything, that's actually very brittle, but something else.Hell, maybe get a geologist to examine. I'm sure this weird fantasy glass would baffle them. That might be enough to get someone to at least hear him out.
>>4014596>I do think the dynamic between monsters and humans in Oldentale is too different from what we saw in UndertaleWell if it were too similar I wouldn't have a game. I have to make some changes for the sake of being able to tell a story at all.
>>4014599What if it turns out to be black bulletproof glass or some other mundane material?
>>4014599Maybe?It could also be something entirely naturally occurring, just uncommon. So far, everything we've seen in the dark worlds has had some explainable light-world counterpart, like the shadow crystals being shards of glass, so it's not out of the question the black shard may be something normal too, just something Kris can't immediately identify.
>>4014601If it is then Toby's a hack for backtracking the black shard being this weird anomalous object that exists in both worlds.
>>4014603NTA, but insofar as we know, it's just hard black glass in the light world, not something inherently anomalous in its own right.
>>4014602The shadow crystals aren't just glass though, even if they look like it. They retain their anomalous properties of letting you see the unseen. The black shard's property is being made of that super tough knight material that cuts darkness, and its the same in both worlds.
>>4014605Its called the black shard in both worlds, that counts for quite a lot.
>>4014606>The shadow crystals aren't just glass though, even if they look like it. They retain their anomalous properties of letting you see the unseen.Yes, but it's still glass with an odd property, and a property that can only be discerned upon close examination, so it's not something that would immediately stand out to anyone in the light world without you somehow being able to convince them to take a look at this random piece of street glass really closely.>The black shard's property is being made of that super tough knight material that cuts darkness, and its the same in both worlds.Yes, but what that actually means is very different in each world.In the dark world, it's a larger object that can be used as a weapon, but in the light world, it's so small that the flavor text doesn't even call it a shard, it calls it a *chip* of hard dark glass, which isn't as immediately noteworthy, especially since it's already harder to break smaller concentrated pieces of materials like that anyway.The point is, Asgore having that isn't definitive proof of anything to anyone, not from the perspective of someone who believes the world is entirely normal and grounded, like most people in DR do.*We* know better because of our unique relationship to DR's world, but to anyone *in* that world, Asgore seems crazy.
>>4013918Clover unbirthed by Dina...
>>4014608>but it's still glass with an odd property,No, it *looks* like glass, but its not. Very key difference. >Yes, but what that actually means is very different in each world.I don't think it does. I think its merely a change in how Kris looks at it based on the world that he's in, while the object itself remains the same.>, it's a larger object that can be used as a weapon, but in the light world, it's so small that the flavor text doesn't even call it a shard, But its still named that, and you still use it as a weapon. If its big enough to be used as a weapon, then that's pretty sizable.
>>4014610>>4014608It even does the same +16 damage in both worlds. Another point towards it being exactly the same in both worlds.
>>4014610>But its still named that, and you still use it as a weapon.In the dark world.Not the light world.That has been the crux of this entire conversation thus far.
>>4014611>Another point towards it being exactly the same in both worlds.Yes, one point on that side, and about a million points against due to the game explicitly describing it as being a small chip of glass in the light world instead of the dagger it is in the dark world.This is stupid, I'm done with this.
>>4014613Anon, its still named blackshard in the light world. It has the same stats too.
>>4014614The description clashes with the name and stats and the knight being strong enough to overpower Undyne in the light world. The easiest explanation is that the description is simply using less fantastic words to describe the same idea, because the light world's narration is more mundane. The black shard probably isn't quite a dagger in the dark world either, but just gets considered that by the fantasy of the world.
>>4014615Yeah, and?The pencils are still equippable weapons.The blackshard having the same damage value could just be due to it being a sharp piece of glass, not because it's still the actual weapon we see it as in the dark world.
>>4014618If its a sharp piece of glass then its more than just a small chip. Which is evidence towards the description being inaccurate. A glass chip is hardly the size of a finger nail. Not big enough to hold and swing around. And a tiny chip also wouldn't do much damage, definitely less than a pencil.
>>4014618>Yeah, and?And its not called "black chip" or "glass chip" its called "BlackShard" exactly like its called in the dark world. No other item does this.
>>4014619>If its a sharp piece of glass then its more than just a small chip.Size has very little to do with sharpness.>And a tiny chip also wouldn't do much damage, definitely less than a pencil.That depends entirely on where you put it.
>>4014621>Size has very little to do with sharpness.It has a lot to do with your ability to hold it and use it as a weapon. A chip would just stick in you and make a skin deep hole. You wouldn't be able to seriously injure someone with it, which that +16 damage number seems to contradict.>That depends entirely on where you put it.Well a pencil applied to the same places is going to do more damage, on account of its much greater length and superior grip purchase.
>>4014622A pencil's only better if you're stabbing.Anyone who knows what they're doing would use it to slice open the surface of the tissue like with a scalpel, somewhere around a major artery, in the throat or thigh or something to that effect.
>>4014623With a piece of glass the size of a fingernail? I think stabbing with a pencil would do more damage and would be much easier. Something that small is going to be hard to hold, which combined with the precise actions you'd need to do to deal serious damage with it means it wouldn't be useful in a fight, meaning in a fight the pencil would deal more damage.
>>4014624>With a piece of glass the size of a fingernail?You'd be surprised.Hold it like a guitar pick and you're good to go.
>>4014625A guitar pick is bigger than a fingernail, by quite a wide margin. That's something you'd do with a *shard* of glass, not a chip.Here's a picture of what glass chips look like. They're absolutely tiny. You're not gonna have the grip to swing this thing around in a fight.
>>4014626>>4014625Thinking about it now, if you held one of these like a guitar pick, it wouldn't even get past the tip of your finger, meaning you wouldn't be able to cut anything with it. You'd just end up sliding your finger across it harmlessly.
>>4014626Depends on what we feel like counting as a "chip" of glass.Some of these are on the bigger side, and pointier too.Yeah, okay, this is just ridiculous at this point, later.
>>4014628>this is just ridiculous at this point,right back at you. Nothing chip sized would make a practical weapon, so the black shard's description must not reflect its size. It seems ridiculous to me that you would still adamantly claim it does.
>>4014633Buddy, it's 3:30 am, and you're arguing about the size of glass pieces to try and make a man talking to himself about how he's gonna show everyone the truth seem not crazy.Give it a rest.
>>4014635Whatever, I still say you're wrong, but it doesn't seem like this argument is going anywhere, so I guess we may as well quit now.
>wake up>200 posts wasted on random bullshitI don't know what I expected.
In other news, new FRIEND lore
>>4014581He wasn't kicked from his job, he quit himself because he couldn't solve the case. In chapter 1 the newspaper clipping about it holds him in a very high regard, it says that it will be tough for Undyne to match his legacy
>>4014659ERAM refight for Chapter 6 is my prediction.
>>4013918Shit, mega shit, incredibly shit, extremely shit.Just churned out slop that's not worth anyone's time that does nothing but continue to fuck up these threads.I request for you to leave this place for good so it can go back to being good again.
What do you think DR chapter 6 gimmick will be?>ice skating>4 party member fights>first person dungeon crawler>something else
>>4014714Amnesia-style sanity meter that fills up whenever you see Susie and Noelle committing egregious acts of dykery.
>>4014715But seriously now
>>4014718Alright, serious answer?We have literally no way of knowing, in any capacity.The main gimmick of a chapter doesn't seem to have a direct correlation to what the theme of the chapter's dark world is at this point, so we really can't say anything with any degree of certainty.A lot of people predicted that chapter five's dark world was going to be in the flower shop, but nobody predicted the weirdly eastern themes it would have, and I didn't see anyone predict the platforming and hack and slash mechanics it had either, so I think there might just be no actual connection between how a chapter plays and what the chapter is about anymore.Chapter four had decently well implemented wall-climbing segments, only for chapter five to have some of the worst platforming and side-scrolling combat I've played in a while, so legitimately, anything may be possible now.
>>4014714>>first person dungeon crawler>Toby's going to use yet another one of my ideas before I can
>>4014723While do we have no way of knowing, we can make predictions and educated guesses. You could've predicted that chapter 4 would have a climbing gimmick. While it didn't have enough evidence to be completely sure that it will happen, you had enough to make a guess. And the more guesses you make, the higher likelihood that some of them are true.Unlike chapter 5, we had a 5 chapters worth of foreshadowing to make more accurate guesses. Some of them, of course, may be nothing like how to dragons book or chairiel not being present, but that's just how it is.
>>4014714>>4 party member fightsdid you forget "the fire mage left the party?"ralsei isn't joining in 6
>>4014725>You could've predicted that chapter 4 would have a climbing gimmick.Could you have?I'm not being snarky here, I'd be very genuinely surprised if anyone had money on that before chapter 4 came out. I think chapter 4's piano mechanic(s) make sense, since it takes place in a church, and churches have pianos, but the wall-climbing? In terms of logical connections between themes and gameplay, that almost feels like a non-sequitur, it was just executed well enough to not feel like a detriment to the main gameplay of the chapter, unlike chapter 5.Honestly, even chapter 4 taking place in the church itself wasn't even really a given at the time, a lot of the recent chapter endings haven't been set up in such a way that we can really immediately predict what the next chapter's going to be like based on just the ending of the previous chapter, that was really only something chapter 2 did, with Kris making that dark world in their house.>And the more guesses you make, the higher likelihood that some of them are true.Sure, but you're not really predicting anything by that point, just throwing things at the wall to see what ends up sticking.
>>4014727>Did you forget "the fire mage left the party?"I hope that it's only temporary and he later rejoins. Didn't Toby mention once that he wanted to have 4 party members but couldn't do it?
>>4014714I assume it'll be an elaboration on either climbing and/or the plat forming. Toby said that Chapter 6 is easier to make and I image that each chapter having an entirely new gimmick is one of the more difficult parts of production.Evidence by Chapter 3, which had the most unique mechanics, being one of the harder chapters to make. Besides we saw more of climbing in 5 since the climbing claws were a permanent upgrade and the feather looks like it's one as well.
>>4014728>Could you have?You had a cuptain trying to scale a suspiciously climbable wall in the newsletter. I even remember a vid where a person predicted that ch4 will have climbing before the trailer came out.Also climbing represents overcoming challenges and hardship, fitting nicely with the theme of the chapter.>Sure, but you're not really predicting anything by that point, just throwing things at the wall to see what ends up sticking.No? It just that Toby doesn't give us enough information to be 100% sure of something, so we can name out different things that have 99%, 90%, 76%, 24%, 1% probability of happening. And then it turns out that only 90%, 24% and 1% likely guesses were indeed correct, while others were wrong
>>4014724You still have time before chapter 6 comes out!
>>4014735>You had a cuptain trying to scale a suspiciously climbable wall in the newsletter. I even remember a vid where a person predicted that ch4 will have climbing before the trailer came out.Okay, but that's with specific information being foreshadowed about the chapter before its release, that's not the same thing as trying to predict what chapter 6 is going to have, like that anon earlier was asking about, since we know literally nothing about chapter 6 at all right now.>No? It just that Toby doesn't give us enough information to be 100% sure of something, so we can name out different things that have 99%, 90%, 76%, 24%, 1% probability of happening.Alright then, answer that anon's question from earlier, what are your guesses for what chapter 6's main gameplay gimmicks are going to be?And what are those guesses based on?
>>4014714with the new FRIEND lorebomb?demon invasions.we're getting demon invasions in CH6.
>>4014741What lorebomb?>demon invasionThey are COMING from the PIPES! I should've KNOWN about PIPES! They had to go SOMEWHERE!
>>4014742>interact with the FRIEND (top of the transition between gardens and cliffs, jump right and act immediately>get the egg>beat pink>talk to pink in her shopand then friend goes from a "nothing 'eva happens" to "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" tier threat.
>>4014743>I am not falling for that shit>What it's real?Damn you Toby, adding lore in a random update just because somebody called your scrimblo a fraud...
>>4013759>the soundtrack to DRY hasn't been fully uploaded to youtube yetfix it fix it fix it fix ithonvich's theme is too much of a banger to be left forgotten
>>4013918How about a nude image of Bedo? I'm also happy to see more Kanako art.
>>4014743>Toby is going to do something similar to what I want do...Aaaah
>>4014757>Toby has ideasKILL HIM
>>4014758You don't get it, Toby is a dream world creature that feasts on others' ideas. Soon all your dreams are going to become derivative without you even noticing
I woke up a bit prematurely this morning, and I tried to go back to sleep, but for some reason I just kept thinking about the idea of comforting Reynault from something. I know nothing could ever really wear him down in the normal sense, but it's just a thought that's been occupying my mind for a while now, the idea of him being hurt, emotionally, and actively seeking comfort and reassurance from me.I'm well aware of how off-putting and hostile he's meant to be, but I just want nothing more than to comfort and protect him sometimes.Buh.
>>4014743>friend deals damage that scales off the sell value of the first item in your inventory>the first item in spamton's shop is keygen>keygen is 41,000 kromer minimum and you can only get it because spamton effectively gives it to you>mfwFucker would have gotten mauled if he went down there, no wonder he needed the empty disk.
>>4014763Where did you get 41k kromer price? He can sell you for as low as 1 d$
>>4014759
>>4014766No, the anons get the same amount as Toby, he just takes them from their head
>>4014764It fluctuates like everything else in his store, sometimes it balloons to that, sometimes higher.
>>4014776You mean maximum, and not minimum then? Also it does damage depending on a consumable item, Keygen is a key item
>>4014743>FRIEND seeks out protein>tfw FRIENDs will devour Ralsei's "eggs"Toby...
>>4014745The thing is the red-colored FRIEND still set a flag in previous updates, I think the dialogue missing my have been an honesty mistake on the teams part.
>>4014787The flag could be just so it doesn't appear again
>>4014787>>4014790every game action that can't be repeated needs a flag, how is the game supposed to know otherwise?they just used that flag that was set earlier as a check for this new convo
Made some minor adjustments, think I have a better handle on things now.I might mess around with her eyes some more later, but the general shape is fine for now, at least to me.Just have to detail the sketch for her hands, and I should be able to move onto the lineart soon enough, hopefully get this done before the weekend or something.
>>4014795She looks like she is pain
>>4014797Some would say desire is a kind of pain.
>>4014797just add blush and its fixed
finished day 2 and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI WANT MOREI WANT MOREI WANT MOREI WANT MORE!!!
>>4014837Kanako... be quiter, or Chujin will hear you...
>>4014837I still need to go back and get the date with Kanako and the mooch hang out.
>>4014837You'll have to wait, DRYanon1 is already working hard on Day 3We have other devs too making their own fangames in case you're interested, like Oldentale, Undertale Naranja, DRY2, SURVEY_2 and Geltarune, but so far only Naranja has a demo, Oldentale and SURVEY_2 have playable prototypes, but they mostly exist to show how their engines work
>>4014724I had that idea too. I wasn't planning on using it, but I did think it would be fun in a hypothetical sequel.
>>4014848Oldentale 2?
>>4014837God, toster is just so ugly
>>4014854Axis...
>>4014741So would this be a plot thing or an emergent gameplay thing?
>>4014727Where did you get that quote from?
>>4014743>>4014763>>4014714Going with the trend of bad gameplay mechanics that punish the player for using the RPG side of the game, FRIENDs will be enemies that attack you for using items, forcing you to rely purely on heal spells.
>>4014723Well the devs here managed to predict all the new mechanics without even realizing it. So just assume it'll be an inferior version of something someone here had planned.
>>4014725>nothing like how to dragons bookI think that was an intentional bait and switch.
>>4014852More of a spiritual sequel. It wouldn't be Oldentale 2, but instead just a follow on game that uses the same characters in a distinct setting, rather than it being a fangame set in Undertale's world. That's all just fun ideas though. Just something I may pursue if I ever finish Oldentale.
>>4014857funny but really, he is one of the worst looking darkners. I know he's from all the way back when dry1 was a lot more barebones, but his design compared to some of the later additions like Ms. Syrup is like night and day. DRY1anon has certainly come a long way in that department.>>4014860kindly shove your persecution complex up your ass
>>4014866>kindly shove your persecution complex up your assNoticing bad habits isn't a persecution complex. Toby seems to like disabling core gameplay mechanics as a way of adding challenge. This is perfectly in line with the darkness fights disabling TP, the Gerson fight disabling items, the platforming segments disabling items, or all the fights in chapter 5 disabling the ability to fight.
>>4014759>Toby is a dream world creature that feasts on others' ideas.I have my own theory.
>>4014860Wrong, the next gimmick will be disabling your equiped items and removing your stats increases in case you fought any darkners
>>4014759Toby is FRIEND?
>>4014870That sounds like something he'd do, but I'm still betting on FRIEND punishing healing item usage somehow on account of that dialogue.
>>4014869Why would Tenna do this?
>>4014869>HIM is a cognitohazard used by Toby to take ideas from fangame devsWe all are infected already, its too late...Also, what are those numbers next to Not!Tenna?
>>4014874>what are those numbers next to Not!Tenna?Diagram of how a Yagi antenna works.
>>4014866>>4014872Sorry, do you know toby personally?What am I saying, its just standard mikefag whining.
>>4014874>>4014875make a fangame already or piss off.
>>4014877The Mikefags were right in the end.
>>4014875That or this is, I don't know how antennas work, I just think it's funny to imagine.
>>4014879The yagi posting will continue until morale improves
>>4014881they were right about nothing and went into a year-long conniption when their theories based on three lines, one of which wasn't even in the game, turned out to be bogus.
>>4014882>>4014883might as well just spam shu constantly then
>>4014879Kill yourself modelfag. We would probably have one at this point if you hadn't gotten the dev banned.
>>4014886That's more like destructive interference
>>4014886I like Shu too
>>4014889For the record, I do too, but I don't like him as much.
>>4014887Don't get so worked up anon. Just continue posting as you wish and have fun. He only wins if you get mad.
oh look, it's this pretend argument again.Anyways, that UTY color mod that was "releasing soon", well it turns out soon was right away.https://x.com/d00d_m4n/status/2075273884958445774This person's done a few neat uty images but I didn't realize they were working on shades of justice.
>>4014871>Anon, are you okay? It looks like your fangame... you've got a dog bite, mew.>Dogs can be nasty creatures, can't they, mew...?>I once met someone who REALLY liked fangames, mew.>Of course, a dog is a fickle creature, but they were very good at finding IDEAs.>Anon, if you have any IDEAs, you must keep them hidden, and never let anyone see it.>The dog is not smart, but once it finds a target, it never stops chasing them until they become derivative.>And when it finds yours. It will bite very, VERY, hard.>Some people would do anything to get away from it, even change their lore, or go into a hiatus...>Oh, anon, it's terrible, mew. It's terrible...>Please be careful, anon... promise...
>>4014893I'm not reminded of the one live interview Toby ever did on camera, where he talked about being bitten by a strange white dog on the way there, then he fell behind the couch, turned into the annoying dog (forma paper cut out) and started answering questions about Undertale.
>>4014882>Red, green, blue, and pink lines being aligned togetherAAAAAH I'M GOING INSANE
>>4014894*I'm now
>>4014888and yagi spam isn't? I'm convinced the posters of that stuff don't actually like the fangames here and view discussion of them as a detriment.>>4014892pretend argument? also>uty color modneat
>>4014898>I'm convinced the posters of that stuff don't actually like the fangames here and view discussion of them as a detriment.I'm almost entirely here for the sole purpose of updates on fangames.
>>4014898>I'm convinced the posters of that stuff don't actually like the fangames here and view discussion of them as a detriment.I feel like it'd be a bit hypocritical to hate fangames while developing one. Besides, I like Naranja, thought it was really fun.
>>4014898What part of kill yourself did you look understand, modelfag. We don't want you here. LEAVE.>>4014891Fuck him and fuck you for taking his side.
>>4014882Wtf? "Yagi" is actually a name of an IRL anTenna type...I wonder how they animated this
>>4014902>Fuck him and fuck you for taking his side.I'm not taking his side. I think Yagi is pretty cool and that you should keep posting him. I'm just saying you shouldn't get mad over shitposters, the only people it helps are shitposters.
>>4014882>>4014869Like (Ant)Tennas to [HEAVEN]
>>4014869What does the cutoff text say in lower right corner?
>>4014907It says>The person drawing this really sucks at drawing chairs and the bottoms of desks
>>4014904Not a shitposter, fagaloon, just another faggot who prefers things to remain somewhat on-topic. Yagi doesn't have a fangame and barely relates to UT/DR to begin with. The fact that in the past, people that love him admitted to liking him because posting him causes threads to devolve into chaos doesn't help the perception.Frankly the demand that everything be tolerated no matter what is the kinda shit you see in hugboxes and nothing good comes from that sort of behavior.
>>4014908>chair truns into FRIEND in Ralsei exposition>anon can't draw chairsToby corrupted anon's chair drawing ability
>>4014909If you're not a shitposter then this isn't about you. I was telling him that if he thinks someone is a shitposter, the worst thing he can do is engage in flame wars with them. Honestly flame wars are stupid anyways, he could be doing something he likes instead. Like drawing or posting about the characters he enjoys.
>>4014859when you visit noelle in the hospital in chapter 2 (normal route)
>>4014912That may have been about the section in chapter 2 where he leaves the party.
>>4014909I will add Yogurt as a Yagi Antenna based darkner into my fangame
>>4014866>>4014854that's because I'm not good at coming up with designs hence why all darkners before the update to finish ch 2 (when there was only half of it ready) look bad, a friend of mine actually helped me design all other darkners including syrup and gancho which is why they look so much better, day 3 will have more designs like that so at least it won't be as bad from now on
>>4014909So do you make these pictures?
>>4014898>I'm convinced the posters of that stuff don't actually like the fangames here and view discussion of them as a detriment.Damn, and here I thought I liked fangames
>>4014915I didn't like how Syrup and Gancho look.
>>4014919I do like how Syrup looks and I think she fits with Deltarune
>>4014919well it is either that or my shitty ones so that's what we are going with>>4014918that looks rad
>>4014918Is the middle guy new?
>>4014919I think both of them are great designs. If he keeps this up, all he needs is more humor and drama and I'm sold on DRY.
>>4014922Yeah, another basic enemy, I was going to show him on a different post but this was as good of an excuse as any other.
>>4014924Is he gonna be in the demo? How's the demo coming along anyway?
>>4014915Good on you for noting your own strengths and weaknesses and finding help. Her and gancho are some of the best of the new darkners.>>4014919what are you, gay?
>>4014914You should add Shu as well
>>4014928NTA, but as funny as adding Shu would be, his inclusion would come with a lot of unnecessary drama
>>4014926>what are you, gay?I didn't like Gancho's either, so no.It's not that they even look bad, it's just that they could've been better. They felt too loaded to me.
>>4014930>They felt too loaded to me.What do you mean by that?
>>4014916Who's asking?>>4014930Let me guess, they don't look like shit, and therefore aren't tobycore enough
>>4014925>Is he gonna be in the demo?Yes these guys are meant to be "elite/heavy" enemies, they have higher stats than the others and their attacks are harder to dodge too, taking them down should be a priority, you could intimidate them but there's an special reward for beating them at least once>How's the demo coming along anyway?Development has been paused for more than a month now, sorry, but if I can finish this writing project this week, development should resume and go smoothly
>>4014929nta, but considering Yagi is ultimately still a tumblr oc, I feel like that is a timebomb waiting to go off. Doesn't matter how tenuous the connection is.
>>4014935>but considering Yagi is ultimately still a tumblr ocHe has no real connections to the original Yagi, whoever cries about his inclusion would be regarded as an schizo, even among some of the most hugbox parts of the community
>>4014933>Who's asking?Someone who'd like to see more.> therefore aren't tobycore enoughNta, but while I don't think that anon has a point about those designs in particular (they look fine), I think there is merit to wanting that old Tobycore look, even if Toby isn't interested in that look anymore. Its got an appeal to it.
>>4014936Could say the same thing about Shu, so why not just add him as is?
>>4014938Nobody knows what Yagi is, there's hundreds of kids on Reddit who already know Shu, his existence is well documented and Shufag is still a regular user at Reddit
>>4014931The kind of feeling of "What am I even looking at?"
>>4014937Well since you asked.https://files.catbox.moe/ue6jb1.pngPersonally, I think fangame devs shouldn't sandbagged for not sticking with a particular brand of nostalgia.>>4014941To be fair, if you didn't see her name, would you really be able to tell Tasque Manager is supposed to be the program? I think Syrup works for a waffle iron waifu lady.
>>4014943>SpoilerThanks, but I think the models look better clothed. >sandbaggedI'm not familiar with this term, what do you mean?>nostalgiaI don't think its just nostalgia, its the central appeal of the game visually (not as a whole, just visually), and really I think its a fault of the later chapters that they moved away from it.
>>4014944>I'm not familiar with this term, what do you mean?nta but it means to intentionally not give your all
>>4014945Oh, well I don't think there's anything wrong with not giving your all, and I also think that you can give your all to that visual style.
Anyone looking for an artist for a fan project? I promise I'm super good. (Except at like really small-scale pixel art like the overworld sprites. I might manage, though) Also maybe a bit too horny for some tastes.
>>4014940Nobody knew who So Sorry was until someone dug around and found Samael blubbering about toby. Hell, we had someone a year ago arguing that our version of Shu should be added just out of spite towards everyone who said it was a bad idea.I am begging you to use your melon and not add potential vectors for headache.
>>4014947Every fangame dev here could use one as far as I know, do you have a Gamejolt page? that's how me (Naranja anon) and Oldetale anon communicate with the other anons helping on the projects.
>>4014946said "visual style" took a hit with chapter 1, got kicked in the teeth in chapter 2, and got dragged out and shot in chapter 3.
>>4014950And then the titan fight in chapter 4 raped its corpse
>>4014934Good luck with the writing project!>>4014944Pretty sure he means "dogpiled." Sandbagged means having someone on your team who does so poorly he brings everyone down, like how a sandbag weighs down a hot air balloon.>>4014947I think you'll find your skills in high demand here.>>4014950It's nowhere near as bad as Chapter 5 ended up being. Holy mixels Batman. It feels like Toby is barely involved in the art direction at all at this point. It's all over the place.
>>4014948I think you're trying way too hard to associate Yagi with "bad" things that don't actually apply at all.Like the connection is so tenuous you could be saying that Val shouldn't be in a fan game because someone could potentially find something Naranja's dev said.
>>4014954>someone could potentially find something Naranja's dev said.All the devs here are already on a blacklist by tumblr/twitter standards since they use 4chan, then you have the devs openly praising nsfw art of their characters, thats haram for most of the twitter crowd
>>4014864NTA, but that sounds neat.
>>4014951>>4014953My point is more like that "style" never really existed at all. And frankly, not all designs look good in that "style" to begin with, see; every attempt to make Martlet look more tobycore only makes her look like shit>>4014954Completely different. Val is entirely original to Naranja without any ties to an outside oc.>>4014957Surprisingly, people outside of here already know that DRY1 either came from 4chan or just has progress posted here, and they don't seem to care outside of the novelty.
>>4014947I've been looking for an artist. You have gamejolt? Also any other art you can show here? Specifically anything in Undertale's style? Can you do battle sprites?
>>4014959>every attempt to make Martlet look more tobycore only makes her look like shitnta but I agree with that. There's nothing wrong with people wanting to match undertales style, but I hate when people feel like they 'have' to do it.
>>4014959>Suprisingly, people outside of here already know that DRY1Its because of those screenshots posted on reddit
>>4014950I think it hit its peak in chapter 1. That's the absolute pinnacle of what Toby and Temmie could do on their own. (yeah the card darkners were third party designs, but the sprites were in house). Chapter 2 was generally consistent in style even if started to deviate a little bit. Chapter 3 had a lot of little things here and there that were off, but I don't think it was the biggest offender. That would be 4 that properly killed the old style. Then five came along, nailed the coffin shut, and buried it under concrete.So it might be more accurate to call this the Undertale or chapter 1 style than to call it Tobycore. Though it is what Toby and Temmie would draw if they had no outside help, so the name may still be accurate.>>4014959>My point is more like that "style" never really existed at allIt existed for a while. It was most prominently featured in Undertale, even if I think chapter 1 was the peak of the style. >not all designs look good in that "style" to begin withThen you change the design. And of course you can break from this style if you feel its necessary, but I think its best to try and keep to it when you can.> every attempt to make Martlet look more tobycore only makes her look like shitI remember seeing one that I thought was pretty nice. It was basically just normal Martlet but with no shading and her head tilted to the side to show off her beak. I can't find it, so if anyone knows the one I'm talking about, please post it so I can save it.
>>4014949>>4014960shouldn't have posted right when I wanna go to sleep my bad. No, don't have a gamejolt but I'll can set one up, I guess. See you guys tomorrow
>>4014964Ok, maybe it was this image I was thinking. I don't know though, I don't remember it looking quite like this. This one looks a bit too stupid as is, but could probably be fixed by making her head less wide and her eyes smaller.
>>4014965Why do her tits disappear when she takes off her dress? Also, you know this is a blue board, right?
>>4014965nta, but that doesn't seem very "undertale" if I'm honest.
>>4014966Honestly, most of the problems with UTY's designs could be fixed by just making the sprites flat, by getting rid of the shading some of them have.That would also fix the more internal problem UTY had, with only some of the characters having actual shading and others being rendered normally, like how Clover has no shading but the main cast does.Except for Dalv, so maybe he isn't part of the main monster cast of UTY after all.
>>4014966Just combine the new body with the old head and I think it's perfectly serviceable. trying to match the sprite's head with the face sprite is an exercise in futility from my experience.,
>>4014968I think that's a loli artist.
>>4014973>big tits>loliPretty sure thats a shortstack, the others could be lolis but they could be chibis too
>>4014974The tits aren't that big, and it looks like they might be conditional based on the second image there.Either way, seems a bit odd.
>>4014965Alright, sleep well new artist anon, I'd like to see more examples of your art and talk with you on gamejolt tomorrow
>>4014975>The tits aren't that bigThey are pretty big proportionally, same for the hips
>>4014966here's a shitty edit to communicate the idea. I would've done more if it were actually at the proper scale or at least an integer scale. As is it has a couple accidental mixels in there.
>>4014978Yeah, but come on, that's hardly an uncommon proportional choice when it comes to that sort of thing, if that really is what that artist does.
>>4014980forgot pic
>>4014982She looks fat and retarded, like, she has a doublechin
>>4014973Hence why I asked why the tits disappear. If it were loli, it wouldn't have tits in the first place.
>>4014982Byotiful.
>>4014984If I could actually edit the pixels I could have moved her bangs to shave off that chin.
>>4014985I've seen people draw loli (against my will) with tits before, that's not mutually exclusive.The tits disappearing could be a way of showing that those "breasts" are dummies, part of the dress or something, but who knows.I'm not trying to turn this into an argument or something, just seems a little strange is all.
>>4014963Either way, they don't really seem to give a damn. Maybe its the residual energy of toby posting the demo for Undertale here all those years ago>>4014982Kinda proving my point here, anon.
>>4014990I don't think it looks that bad. Hell, the one that anon poster with the heads swapped looked alright. I think a Toby style Martlet is perfectly doable.
>>4014993>I don't think it looks that bad.NTA, it looks horrible, but the one with the heads swapped and no shading looks good
Hey Oldentale anon, I looked into that thing you told me about a while back.I'll try and get around to what I said I'd do shortly, in like a day or so, probably after I finish up my current project, which is hopefully sooner than you were planning on redoing Wiki's sprite anyway.
>>4014995the no shading one doesn't look much better, it honestly makes her look fat, while the shaded Mart makes her look athletic and slim.
>>4014995>>4014997honestly I don't think there's much to fix about martlets sprite other than that her shirt is too close to her feather colors so it doesn't communicate that she's wearing a shirt at all a lot of the time. Aside from that it's a good looking sprite.>>4014982I hate this head for getting her eyes wrong, but honestly people are trying too hard to tobify designs
>>4014996Remember to force the aspect ratio to 4:3 in the dosbox.conf. Its meant to be stretched.
I like the Roba in this one. Its very expressive.
>>4015004As soon as I figure out what command does that.Also, do you have an uncompressed image of that Wiki battlesprite?I want to test loading it up, and also just using it as the base for the "proof-of-concept" this is ultimately meant to be, without having to redo the whole thing just to get to the important bit.
>>4015005this one gets martlets eyes right but now she appears as if she'd been smooshed.That said, that starlo is the biggest downgrade holy shit.The roba expression is kind of nice though.
>>4014888At least Shu, and I hate that you're making me defend the character, is an OC WITHIN an Undertale setting. Yagi is a Cave Story OC whose only tangential relevance to anything is the fact that a stalker thinks the creator of the OC was friends with Toby Fox and inspired Ralsei. It is not REMOTELY on-topic even compared to something like Shu
>>4015006First of all, dosbox.conf can be found in your DOSbox installation folder. You'll want to set "aspect" to "true" and probably also turn on scaling if it isn't already on. Then if the image still isn't in 4:3, you may need to set the resolution manually in there as well.Here's the original file https://files.catbox.moe/1zzwiv.PKM
>>4015007I only said I like the Roba in this image. The rest are so-so. Except for Axis who is exactly the same.
>>4015009You're trying too hard.
>>4015012>First of all, dosbox.conf can be found in your DOSbox installation folder.Yes, I realized the stupidity of what I had exactly as it was too late to unsay it.Anyway, I think I did it, but I'm gonna go through it again to make sure.>Here's the original file https://files.catbox.moe/1zzwiv.PKMAlright, thanks.This'll probably be useful for normal drawings too, all I've had is a blurry screenshot for reference for a while now.
>>4015009I thought the lore was that Yagi was an Undertale OC that happened to look vaguely like Asriel.
>>4015015>, but I'm gonna go through it again to make sure.you can just run the program and see if you get a 4:3 picture.>all I've had is a blurry screenshot for reference for a while now.Its probably still gonna be blurry. The blur is from the scaling, that can't really be helped much.
>>4015013>I only said I like the Roba in this image.I know, but the image was there so I was commenting my thoughts.>Except for Axis who is exactly the same.hard to beat perfection>>4015016Far as anyone can tell, the "lore" is completely made up from when it was first used to shitpost in /vg/ threads. I don't particularly care about the little thing itself but there is no evidence it came from anything or anywhere, and it looks like a mimiga so it gets called that sometimes.
>>4015017>you can just run the program and see if you get a 4:3 picture.I did, and I didn't.I compared it to that image you did of Reynault that I had saved, mine was more stretched out vertically.So, I'll figure out how to fix that, whatever that "scaling" option you mentioned was.Before you judge me too harshly, please understand that at no point in my life was I ever taught how to actually use a computer, so I spent a while trial-and-erroring my way into being able to use a computer as well as I can.Which still isn't much, but you know, better than a lot of other people my age, from what I've heard.>Its probably still gonna be blurry. The blur is from the scaling, that can't really be helped much.Fine enough, just need to get close enough I guess.
>>4015018Yeah, it probably is a complete invention of anons on /v/ and /vg/ but that makes it an Undertale OC more than it makes it a Cavestory OC.
>>4015016The character that's the basis of the rumor is technically not the one that people post. It's just the closest approximation based on pictures that have been floating around for like 10 years on /v/ now.Also attempting to shut it down because "He's a Mimiga" is pretty pointless considering Asriel and the dreemurr's practically are tooThere aren't any publicly available pictures of what he looks like, just text descriptions referring to him as a "pink and green goat".
>>4015019>spoilerNTA, but aren't you the around the same age as most of the people on this thread?
>>4015019>t at no point in my life was I ever taught how to actually use a computerI guess I got computer classes in school, but I already knew how to use a computer before that and didn't really learn anything in them.Anyways I'd say use Normal2x or Normal3x (I don't know what the difference is) and if that doesn't work explicitly set it to a 4:3 resolution like 640x480 or 800x600. The higher the resolution you set, the subtler the scaling blur should be. The only way to eliminate it completely would be to use a monitor that can display 320x200 natively, but only tubes can do that.
>>4015022That depends on how old most people are in this thread.
>>4015022Nta, but most zoomers don't know what a file is. Him being able to use a computer at all already makes him an outlier.
>>4015024Early 20s from the few times people asked about other anons ages, I'm in that group too
>>4015020>but that makes it an Undertale OC more than it makes it a Cavestory OC.I don't really care either way, but the constant waving around the made up backstory for it over and over again for like a year got on peoples nerves when you'd ask "what is this character" and instead of getting anything on topic you'd just get the creepypasta nonsense over and over again. So if he wasn't anything, he was a mimiga.>>4015021>It's just the closest approximation based on pictures that have been floating around for like 10 years on /v/ now.this is the made up story I'm talking about. there's no references to this creature before last year.>Also attempting to shut it down because "He's a Mimiga" is pretty pointless considering Asriel and the dreemurr's practically are toothe point is that when people say he's undertale related when the only source of that is shitposts used to spam threads on /vg/ with a fake story, it doesn't make him sound very undertale related.I don't even have a problem with people posting him, it's just my autism driving me to "correct the record" rather than do something else with my time.
>>4015023>I guess I got computer classes in school, but I already knew how to use a computer before that and didn't really learn anything in them.I was allowed to use the computer from a pretty young age, having fond memories of being rick-rolled way back when as a child, but the only "computer classes" I ever got in school were basically just having us learn other things *through* the computer, not actually learning about the computer itself.So, I learned how to use a computer by messing around by myself with no parental supervision, but that's probably fine.>Anyways I'd say use Normal2x or Normal3x (I don't know what the difference is)I might give that a shot.>if that doesn't work explicitly set it to a 4:3 resolution like 640x480 or 800x600.I tried manually setting it to 1024x768, but that didn't have any noticeable effect, so I'll give 800x600 a try.
>>4015028>. So if he wasn't anything, he was a mimiga.He's a creepypasta from the Deltarune threads. Like Sonic.exe, only he looks like Asriel and instead of stealing people's souls he just makes people mad like that one table in that game by the Black Mesa devs.
>>4015030>He's a creepypasta from the Deltarune threads. Like Sonic.exe, only he looks like Asriel and instead of stealing people's souls he just makes people mad like that one table in that game by the Black Mesa devs.I feel like this is a recent angle on the idea and honestly, it makes it a lot better than the posts from like a year ago. I kind of like "creepypasta protocharacter"
>>4015014I'm clearly not trying hard enough because I haven't found a way to choke you through the screen yet
>>4015030>>4015031he's actually just a tumor trying to convince its host to not get rid of it.
>>4015034how about something like this instead. Feels like about how aggressively characters try to get inside of my head at least.
>>4015038This is needs a yagi edit
>>4015025I blame this on the popularity of Apple products not forcing people to know how real computers work from an early age.Also, I'm assuming you're still Oldentale anon, I can't get the Wiki image to load, just gives me a weird red flash before continuing to display a black screen.So uh, I don't really know how to proceed from that, and it looks like the internet doesn't have many answers for me.
>>4015032Well hey, I'm not going to tell you how to go about your thing, but you know maybe if you didn't lie you might make some headway on getting people to not like him anymore.You know like desperately reiterating that it's a /vg/ meme when the meme is from /v/.Could bring up that someone from /vg/ REALLY hates them. Of course that could cause personal issues for you.And then you kind of have to deal with the issue that he's really never done anything worth getting pissed off about, and that the people that like him actually work on fangames and make fanart and shit.The entire endeavor on your end seems kind of pointless.
>>4015018>yagishit ultimately came from /vg/that should be reason enough to not touch it with a 39 and half foot pole.
>>4015042>You know like desperately reiterating that it's a /vg/ meme when the meme is from /v/.there's two different anons at least that you're talking to. I don't have a desire to strangle you, but when I went through archives, iirc it showed up on /vg/ a month before /v/. there's a lot of posts of someone just saying yagi yui that have to be searched through but I'm reverifying my memory on that matter right now because you have called me a liar and I must restore my honor! Eh it's not really that important. I just can't focus on anything else tonight.
>>4015041I can send you a bmp version. BMP is raw pixel data, it'll lose any gfx specific stuff like the work page (handy thing to have btw) but it should work for your purposes. https://files.catbox.moe/ucuth0.BMP
>>4015045also holy shit I clicked on one of those and it's fucking Mahjong. I didn't realize Magjong had this much autism on it. I feel even more proud of the autism we sport now.
>>4015044>that should be reason enough to not touch it with a 39 and half foot pole.we made him our own, just like how /v/ made Goodbye Volcano High theirs despite its origins
>>4015047This doesn't open as a downloadable file for whatever reason, can't use it.Anyway, I think I might be using a different version of grafx2, since there were two versions of it on the site you linked me to, and I grabbed the first one I saw, so I'm hoping this problem will magically go away by using what I'm assuming is the relatively newer version.
>>4015049Three obsessed anons does not the whole thread make. It's like arguing that every single anon here is actually totally onboard with unbirthing and how it totally isn't a fetish
>>4015045I am like 99% sure the rumor started around the time Chapter 1 or 2 came out with someone vagueposting about it on /v/.
>>4015049>we made him our ownNo, "we" didn't do a damn thing, you're trying to force a meme specifically to make the threads worse
>>4015051NTA, highlight the link with your mouse, right click on it and select "save link as..." that should let you download it
>>4015052I genuinely think it'd be a safer bet that the people who get pissed about him are an extreme minority in the thread.
>>4015051I think catbox may be having issues today. Its giving me all sorts of errors when I try to upload and is damaging the files I do upload.
>>4015052>Three obsessed anons does not the whole thread make.at least two of those obsessed anons are devs
>>4015056I remember this same thing being said about Shu back when he was being spammed all over the threads.
>>4015053Look anon, I'll admit I'm not infallible. I overlook things and all that, but in all of my time pouring through archives, I did not find a single mention of it earlier than 2024. I see the word yagi, yes, because that's just japanese for goat (and apparently a mahjong character people obsess with) but I haven't found anything older than that.Like right now I'm willing to believe that I could have had the order of appearance wrong in months from /v/ to /vg/, but I do not think I'm wrong about this.I should get hit with a bad for wasting time on this, It just tugs at my autism in a stupid way hearing things supposedly exist before I believe them to have.Autism
>>4015061>of it earlier than 2024meant 2025, sorry.
>>4015060Shu was getting spammed because he's funny
>>4015064nta but when it was getting spammed I personally found it a bit grating. Felt like the people who enjoyed that character were running a joke into the ground at others expense. I don't mind the frequency he gets brought up currently.
>>4015064Well then include him in the fangames, since being funny is all that matters.
>>4015055It let me download it, but the software doesn't seem to recognize it as a valid file for loading.>>4015058>I think catbox may be having issues today. Its giving me all sorts of errors when I try to upload and is damaging the files I do upload.Yeah, maybe that's it, the image file just got messed up in transfer.I dunno, are Mediafire or Mega viable?I feel like we're really having to jump through hoops to make this work.
>>4015058Okay, actually, I think this might be a local issue on my end, since I just tried to make it load a png file of the Wiki sprite I have, which the software *did* recognize, but it also just gave me a red flash and didn't do anything of use still, so maybe both versions of the software I grabbed are just fucked.Or I'm just haunted, I dunno.
>>4015005That Roba has seen things. It's lost a certain quality that the original has. When you first see her in the Wild East, you can't really guess she's a mom in mourning and have to tease it out by what she and other NPCs say. She actually looks rather hot, and not being able to see that she's depressed at a glance is realistic. The redesign looks like it took inspiration from Toriel and is much more heavy-handed, removing that subtlety along with her curves. It no longer looks like she is keeping secrets as well as a facade of normalcy. I do like the addition of a tail though.>>4015041Windows has been dumbed down a lot too. At least more people are getting into Linux which will help develop a new generation of tech literate people.
>>4015072>Windows has been dumbed down a lot too.Yes, but it's at least not as bad as Apple is.>At least more people are getting into Linux which will help develop a new generation of tech literate people.My only experience with Linux was when I tried using SteamOS when it came on my Steam Deck, and for some reason internet browsers would never work on it, and then I put Windows on it instead.So, not a fan of Linux, personally.
>99.9 percent of incidents of the word "yagi" being used in the archive is someone who has been for years following final fantasy threads posting a write up about the "tokyo team" and one of the team members names is yagi so there's just page after page after page of thisIt's actually making me a bit nauseous. We have some shitposters and problems but jesus christ never forget how much worse it could be.the other .1 percent is split between mahjong posters and people giving the sauce on a particular H artist.
>>4015061Well see there's your issueYou're searching for "Yagi" a name nobody knew up until september of last year.Looking up the phrase that started this I found this from a month after chapter 2 came out. On /v/ it isn't mentioned on /vg/ until april of next year.
>>4015071gfx2 doesn't support png. It does BMP, LBM, PKM, and GIF. That link didn't work for me either. Anyways, here's a working link https://litter.catbox.moe/egeluayqescvjqcs.zip . I zipped it and switched to mobile data to upload it, and it works. And I had to restart my browser to solve the cloudflare captcha because it kept hanging and getting caught in a lopp.
>>4015069>>4015071I tried to download the file using that method and it gave me a 0kb .bmp file
>>4015061People didn't have the name before that. They just had the story of Ralsei being based on a dead kid. Yagi was supposedly discovered in 2024 and that's what started the shitstorm. I say supposedly because I have no idea if any of that actually happened, that's just how the story goes.
>>4015067Do not tempt me, anon! Please understand that I would the power of the Reddit OC for laughs, but through me it would wield a power to great and terrible to imagine.
>>4015078>You're searching for "Yagi" a name nobody knew up until september of last year.>a name nobody knew up until september of last year.there's nothing in the archive connecting that name to that theory outside of this site, as in grounds that show that it wasn't made up here.there was the assertion that "yagi" comes from an old tumblr blog, but there's nothing for that. I'll concede that I didn't consider searching that phrase however in line with >>4015082I autistically read through the threads where it was claimed that "the source" was found and no source exists for the archive. Going off what you've given me, and what I know from the archives, the first threads where the name was "revealed" are just one person repeating over and over again stuff like "I NEED YAGI I WANT YAGI."but no actual source exists.I stand by the statement that it is entirely manufactured on this site, but I can admit to you it started earlier than I thought.
>>4015079Alright, I'll try this out.I still think the software is a little more vertically stretched than I think you said it should be, but at this point that can probably just be solved later, after the more fundamental problem at hand.I've run out of anger by now, I've just been laughing every time it doesn't work, it's just funny now.
>>4015072Undertale sprites usually have multiple expressions. You would probably change her expression to a more neutral one when she's first introduced. Also, I find that Roba more attractive. Though that's almost certainly due to my weirdo tastes and not because she's actually sexier.
>>4015084>Going off what you've given me, and what I know from the archives, the first threads where the name was "revealed" are just one person repeating over and over again stuff like "I NEED YAGI I WANT YAGI."What drives an anon to such behavior
>>4015079Oh my god, it actually worked, good god.I don't even remember what the original boundary you said was way back when that this whole thing was even about to start with (fitting full digitigrade legs in some certain size limit), so I'll have to dig through the archives to find the exact discussion it was first brought up in.But anyway, thank you, oh my god.
>>4015085If its a 320x200 image stretched to 4:3 then its the proper aspect ratio. You can check what resolution in currently is by clicking on the little monitor button in the toolbar on the bottom.>I've run out of anger by now, I've just been laughing every time it doesn't work, it's just funny now.The Reynault infection is terminal.
>>4015087Desperate need for attention I imagine. I think it was worse than I'm describing it but it felt like someone showing up at a store and flopping around on the floor knowing that everyone can't help but watch them shit themselves.
>>4015084>there's nothing in the archive connecting that name to that theory outside of this site, as in grounds that show that it wasn't made up hereFor your sake and mine because I don't trust you with that information, but the archive site we're probably both looking at with the thread where they found him, makes it pretty clear where they found what his handle was.
>>4015084I think its just an urban legend that's been growing on this site for years. I don't really know or care if it has any actual validity. Just the story around it is funny. Its like "L is Real" but for Deltarune.
>>4015088Its supposed to be 100 pixels. 120 if I want to go by Undertale's sprite height, which would make things a lot taller relative to the screen size because of the lower resolution.
>>4015093>makes it pretty clear where they found what his handle was.where they "claim" to have. >For your sake and mine because I don't trust you with that informationyou don't understand how information spreads and how secrets are kept. If there was an actual end to this road, with the number of times that people have been sent on this goose chase, there would be results in the archives of other people who had found the information. >I think its just an urban legend that's been growing on this site for years. I don't really know or care if it has any actual validity. Just the story around it is funny. Its like "L is Real" but for Deltarune.yeah I can understand this mindset. Like I said, I don't really get mad at it, and personally I think it's a little humorous when people lean into the creepy pasta angle. I just can't help it, sometimes when "the urban legend" gets brought up it takes itself too seriously and I can't say anything but "get real it's not fucking there."
>>4015089>If its a 320x200 image stretched to 4:3 then its the proper aspect ratio.The resolution seems right, according to the program itself, but some of the pixels seem more squished than they should be, and I have no idea how to fix that.God.>The Reynault infection is terminal.To be fair, that's something I've done occasionally for a while now, whenever my own suffering is funny enough.
>>4015099sorry, that second part was for >>4015094anyways I'm gonna settle my autism. I was proven wrong on one thing, but the trail goes just as cold as I said it did before, just after slightly longer.
>>4015096>Its supposed to be 100 pixels.Okay, cool.Tall, I assume, since that's what that was all about. I'll just make a line around where her legs end to mark the absolute bottom I'm allowed to work with for this experiment.
>>4015100>but some of the pixels seem more squished than they should beThat's just a scaling thing. You can up the window resolution (in the dosbox config, not in gfx) to something higher like 1280x960 or 1600x1200 if you want to make them less noticable. They'll still be there, but they'll be smaller.>To be fair, that's something I've done occasionally for a while now, whenever my own suffering is funny enough.And the infection has had a long time to take root.
>>4015099Maybe it would just be better if I was forward about this.The last time people discussed a direct point of contact with him to my understanding, someone tried to steal his account and I would rather something like that not happen again. Whether or not it did in the first place (I assume so, because going off the archives people were banned for making fun of it happening, specifically).I'm sure since we're both on an anonymous board you can understand?
>>4015099>sometimes when "the urban legend" gets brought up it takes itself too seriously and I can't say anything but "get real it's not fucking there."But anon, L *IS* real. I saw it. My dad works at Nintendo. Just trust me bro.
>>4015104>Whether or not it did in the first place (I assume so, because going off the archives people were banned for making fun of it happening, specifically).you can't tell when people are banned on the archive unless it's a public ban, and mods VERY RARELY do that.>The last time people discussed a direct point of contact with him to my understanding, someone tried to steal his account and I would rather something like that not happen again. yeah I've heard this story. there's zero evidence of it. again, information spreads if it exists. The archive is mostly just someone making the "ralsei is based on a dead kid" statement over and over again without elaborating, for years, occasionally getting a bite.>I'm sure since we're both on an anonymous board you can understand?I can understand that if this was actually real, with as often as we've danced this dance, something tangible would have come up.>>4015105That's impossible because my dad is L and nintendo works for him.
>>4015103>That's just a scaling thing. You can up the window resolution (in the dosbox config, not in gfx) to something higher like 1280x960 or 1600x1200 if you want to make them less noticable. They'll still be there, but they'll be smaller.I bumped it to 1024x768, and that seems to have done the trick.Taking up a bit more of my screen than I'd like, but oh well.>And the infection has had a long time to take root.Oh, I mean a *while* now, long before I ever came here. Perhaps it is a more fundamental thing, that we happen to have in common.Also, unrelated, but while going through my own personal collection of data for relevant things about this, I found the very first note to self I ever wrote about Reynault, from March 8th. It starts out with "That "Reynault" character is cute.". I'll spare you the rest, but man, strange seeing my first thoughts on him again.
>>4015108You write notes about every character here?
>>4015108You can set separate fullscreen and windowed resolutions. I usually draw in fullscreen.>I'll spare you the rest, Well now I'm curious. What kind of stuff was the rest of it?
>>4015109Only for characters I have some interest in, and only for certain purposes, such as if I feel like drawing them at a certain point in time.These notes may consist of useful information about a given character, new official sprites I see posted and wish to save for reference, ideas I feel inclined to return to later, etc.
>>4014984Ceroba, don’t project your insecurities on Martlet
>>4015114>Roba>Double chinDid Chujin make her read the note too many times?
>>4015107It's your funeral if you decide to act on the information that he's real.Assuming you are who I think you might be, maybe it's for the best you just act like he's entirely made up.
>>4015116Who do you think he is?
>>4015111>You can set separate fullscreen and windowed resolutions. I usually draw in fullscreen.Yes, but for this, I think I'll prefer to keep things windowed for now.>Well now I'm curious. What kind of stuff was the rest of it?Ah...That note was made shortly after my first learning about him, and as such doesn't exactly, line up, with what I think of him now. Which is to say, it's a lot more extreme than I typically like to think about with him by this point.To be completely frank about it, it's not exactly the sort of idea about him you'd be interested in reading, if you get the idea.
>>4015113So at the very least, all the fangame characters you've drawn have notes?
>>4015118Pretty sure he's Oldentale's developer given how much of a sausage he's being.
>>4015116>It's your funeral if you decide to act on the information that he's real.incomprehensible. I'm going to drop this because it seems to be making you act strange that I don't believe all of this.And yes I have seen 'those' archived posts.>>4015122>how much of a sausage he's being.I'm not oldentale anon and I'm pretty sure oldentale anon likes the little scrimblo.
>>4015122No, that's not me, anon. I don't really care one way or the other if yagi is real or not. I just laugh at the whole thing. The only thing I really care about is that anons are allowed to post about what they like, even said thing is some random literally who from a Deltarune urban legend.Probably shouldn't make assumptions like that just because someone is acting a fool. I'm not the only fool around here, after all.
>>4015121About, yes.It's been brought up before, but when it comes to the characters that originate from these threads, I like to try and be as accurate as I can based on the information about them that is publicly available to find within these threads, so I gather whatever I can.I forget where exactly I put it, but I remember some late-night speculation I did regarding Reynault's prosthetic limbs to myself, just trying to wrap my head around how they worked for something. I believe that was sometime before I had my epiphany on the matter, while working on some shitpost I did of him.But yes, I do a lot of note-taking while here, even when not making my presence known.
>>4015119Ah, fetish note. Okay. The idea of you keeping notes on extreme fetish stuff is pretty funny though.
>>4015124>Probably shouldn't make assumptions like that just because someone is acting a fool.I don't think I was really being all that foolish about it other than engaging in this conversation in the first place. You're also not a fool all of the time <3
>>4015104This didn't happen retard.
>>4015125Now I'm curious about what those notes have, but I understand not wanting to show them, notes are meant to be read only by who wrote them
>>4015126Sometimes I have an idea that I wish to save, and it goes with the rest.I don't always have time to get to every idea I have straight away, so I leave it for later. Some of the notes I have are just stuff like [picrel] though, so don't worry about missing anything too important.
>>4015116Hi schizophrenic, kindly fuck off back to /v/
>>4015131You write those notes like you're posting them on a public forum (which I guess technically you are, but not in the same way I mean)
>>4015123>>4015124Fair enough, I was mostly worried that something stupid would happen, and I wouldn't see Racter anymore.Plus you know, genuinely it's not my place at all to speak on Yagi's personal affairs, but like, I genuinely am too sentimental to deal with someone fucking with him, I would probably actually cry because I love his little scringle dingle and I actually get upset about other things like that too, like I don't like it when people say Shu sucks because I think it's cool that someone made him, even if it's kind of goofy
>>4015134I just keep them in a discord server that I have all to myself.And a lot of other ones are written more clinically, it just depends on how I feel at the time.
>>4015137>I just keep them in a discord server that I have all to myself.You're like that guy on the Duke Nukem trolling video who goes on Ventrillo to be alone.But man, you put a lot of trust in the Discord corporation.
>>4015137i kneel fellow discord file service enjoyer
>>4015137>I just keep them in a discord server that I have all to myself.Insane, seems like a tragedy waiting to happenCan't you just use an app note like everyone else, or go with the ol' reliable? (unorganized .txt files)
>>4015135Ha you care, faggot
>>4015135I respect your love of scrimblos, because it is even stronger than mine. Though you have to remember not to lose yourself anon. These characters aren't real, as much as it pains me to say.
>>4015140>or go with the ol' reliable? (unorganized .txt files)ah yes, the classic "here's a .txt file with a single word in it that clearly was very important to me at that time and I to this day don't know what it means."
>>4015138>You're like that guy on the Duke Nukem trolling video who goes on Ventrillo to be alone.Don't think I've seen that.>But man, you put a lot of trust in the Discord corporation.Oh, most of the really important stuff I have saved as screenshots, especially for things like character details. When Naranjadev made those posts about Luzma and Bedo when I had inquired about their personalities, I saved them immediately for later reference when actually drawing them.I also save about every important post I find that Oldentale anon makes about Reynault, because every scrap of information is important.
>>4015140>or go with the ol' reliable? (unorganized .txt files)I like having images to pair with my notes.If discord ever explodes, I will resort to annotating relevant posts in mspaint and keeping all my information in image files entirely.
>>4015142I'm well aware that the character "Yagi" is fictional, but I know the person Yagi is real, and I don't want him getting fucked with.
>>4015144>because every scrap of information is important.makes me think of the scene from the truman show when he forms the picture of the girl he fell in love with via magazine clippings.
>>4015144>don't think I've seen that oneIts a classic, you should watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvL-WGcoBis>Oh, most of the really important stuff I have saved as screenshotsI meant trust in that they wouldn't leak all of that stuff.
>check home thread>MORE /vg/ tier dramafaggingyep yep this is exactly what i want to see! lets just become /utg2/!!!
>>4015143I have a single "quick notes" .txt where I write things I know I will forget quickly, I tend to write those notes in caveman speech using keywords to make sure future me won't have as many problems understand what the note was abouteverything else is separated in other files
>>4015148Anon, as the person you were talking to before, if you REALLY believe this person is real (every blog link in the archives including the other places archives are 404), don't you think that constantly bringing up the supposed creator rather than just the character, is going to draw more attention to him?Genuinely stop and think about it for a second. I dived really deep and found several sources for who the person supposedly is, and everything comes up blank, but if you keep on reminding people "oh I'm talking about the creator, not the character some people in these threads like to talk about" isn't it just going to make more people want to look him up and potentially expose him?Just give those words some thought.
>>4015135This you schizo? >>4015087And Shu absolutely sucks as a character, that's the whole reason anons turned him into something else
>>4015146>I like having images to pair with my notes.Modern app notes like Notion let you upload images, there's also an open source alternative if that's more your thing
>>4015151>home thread/vg/ behavior, personally this entire website belongs to me.
>>4015151Make a post of actual subtance or suck off a shotgun fagmaster.
>>4015151FUCKING KILL YOURSELF MODELFAG
>>4015150>Its a classic, you should watch itI'll check it out.>I meant trust in that they wouldn't leak all of that stuff.I'm not the most worried about things like [picrel] getting "leaked", I think I'll be fine.Also, if you're wondering why that says "we", it's because I have something of a tendency to refer to myself as "we" sometimes while talking to myself. Don't read into that too hard, it's fine.
>>4015156I might look into that, but I do also like being able to add notes from my phone when I'm away from my PC, for reasons.
>>4015162>I might look into that, but I do also like being able to add notes from my phone when I'm away from my PC, for reasons.That's an standard feature in those note apps
>>4015160>spoilersI do it too sometimes, especially when thinking out loud.
>>4015164Alright, good, neither of us are crazy then, it's normal.
>>4015154its because the guy is too ashamed to claim his shitty shitpost sourced OC as his own, so he pawns off ownership as "some kid on tumblr"
>>4015160>SpoilerI do that from time to time too, I don't think its that uncommon, but maybe we are just autistic
>>4015160That's called the royal we
>>4015165perfectly normal! most likely.>>4015167I don't think it's particularly "common" but I'm sure it's reasonably documented.>>4015168I think royal we is used a little differently contextually.
>>4015168I can only imagine what your notes on Luzma's laugh sprites look like
>>4015169>perfectly normal! most likely.Glad to hear it, I'm sure lots of people sometimes feel like multiple people when they talk to themselves, it's perfectly normal.
>>4015160I pronounce you as Lonely and Dork.Please work on your game.
>>4015170Wrong anon.Anyway, I actually didn't need too many notes for that, outside of saving some certain posts on the matter from here, I largely just went to work on the few images I did relating to [that] without needing to save anything at first.
>>4015154>>4015166Funny thing is I actually looked into a while ago when this retard was palling around the /v/ Deltarune threads screaming about everyone being out to get Yagi. You're gonna have to just take my word for it, but they didn't really have anything to do with Undertale outside of one that reposted skeletons occasionally.>>4015151You would appear to have hit a nerve.
>>4015171If this were a discord server right now more than one anon would be getting groomed into becoming a "plural"
>>4015172I don't have a game to be working on, though I do have a drawing to get back to.Did you think I was Oldentale anon?Did you think Oldentale anon would save *that* kind of note about one of his own characters?
>>4015175Oh god, that shit's stupid.Unless we're talking about a corpus callosotomy, the only you in your head is you, I hate that "plural" and "headmate" shit.
>>4015176No I thought you were the guy working on Geltarune.
>>4015176>Did you think Oldentale anon would save *that* kind of note about one of his own characters?And how do we know you and Oldentale anon aren't the same person? All those arguments could have easily been an schizophrenic episode, maybe all you are just in my head and I'm the only poster in the entire thread
>>4015178Well, I'm not.Why'd you think that?
>>4015175Join the many, anon, we are happy this way
>>4015171 oh that? yeah I've had that one too. it can still be fairly normal and there's like 600 different ways and reasons that can manifest. sometimes the mind does that and it doesn't mean you're actually crazy, but still do take care of yourself >>4015175Absolutely maddening to think of, but you're probably right. The human mind will do things sometimes, double back on itself, take a step back from itself and so on so forth, tons of well documented if relatively isolated phenomenon.But no, sparkleprinces7 totally knows that you are actually headkinning ceroba dalv and kanako at the same time.
>>4015178You thought the guy who's madly in love with Reynault was the same that as the Geltarune guy?
>>4015179Maybe you're not real either, and all of this is just the background in someone else's dream or hallucination.
>>4015180I didn't think you were anyone in particular I just wanted to annoy you because it's funny and perhaps trick someone into doing something productive by making them self conscious.
>>4015179>And how do we know you and Oldentale anon aren't the same person?Boy, wouldn't that be a twist?No, I think we're too opposed to each other to be the same person somehow, even for an "evil reflection" kind of situation.>All those arguments could have easily been an schizophrenic episode, maybe all you are just in my head and I'm the only poster in the entire thread...Wouldn't that make you the crazy one?
>>4015184Maybe we all are figments of Toby's imagination, that's why he keeps using our ideas
>>4015182>But no, sparkleprinces7 totally knows that you are actually headkinning ceroba dalv and kanako at the same time.Wait, is that an actual thing? I thought he was making a joke about hive minds or schizos with split personalities.
>>4015186>...Wouldn't that make you the crazy one?No, because this could easily be one of my dreams, it would explain why I never have dreams whenever I go to sleep, I'm already in one
>>4015182>spoilerOh, it's fine, I don't talk to myself too often, just when I'm alone, and I'm quick to remind myself that it's just me.Doesn't stop me from thanking myself whenever I have a good idea that I like, but that's how it is sometimes.
>>4015183>the guy who's madly in love with ReynaultI would consider myself to be sanely in love with him, thank you very much.
>>4015189>Wait, is that an actual thing? I thought he was making a joke about hive minds or schizos with split personalities.Anon... "Plural" is an actual term used in some internet communities, people unironically act as if they were multiple different consciences inhabiting a single body, I've seen it on the UTY Reddit, its like a more advanced/retarded form of people "kinning" a character
>>4015174>but they didn't really have anything to do with Undertale outside of one that reposted skeletons occasionally.and believe it or not, the trash shitposter OC STILL doesnt have anything to do with undertale, or fangames.
>>4015189>Wait, is that an actual thing? I thought he was making a joke about hive minds or schizos with split personalities."plurals" are generally not the same thing as actual schizos and the like, when you see people talk about plurals it's generally that terminally online version like how you have fictionkins that think they are ceroba, except they actually think they are multiple characters. Split personality disorder (which I think they renamed) does exist in some fashion, but when you have stressed out young people online expressing some of the things like "I talk to myself sometimes (active thinking out loud) they can get convinced that they are actually special and a "plural".
>>4015185A clever trick, but I'm cleverer!For you see, I will simply not do what I'm supposed to do anyway!My drawing's on the lineart stage at this point, it can wait a bit longer for me to get back to it, not like it's too important.
>>4015191yeah I get it. not giving you a hard time, I just know that sometimes it's made worse via stress. Just a general statement to not make your own life harder than needed whenever possible, you know how it goes.
>>4015182>spoilerhuh, first time hearing of this, and I'm one of the guy who sometimes refers to himself as "we" when thinking, I don't think I've ever felt like someone else when thinking
>>4015198Oh, yeah, I think I get what you mean.Perhaps it is best not to Naruto-toothbrush too close to the sun, eh?
>>4015179>>4015184>>4015186>>4015187Touchy touchy
>>4015194You don't know that. ;)
>>4015199NTA, but you ever hear about "shifters" too?
>>4015199>I don't think I've ever felt like someone else when thinkingthere's a lot of different ways and not all of them are "dissasociative."sometimes it's just a psychological way of reframing tasks "this is what we need to get done." other times it's like you're taking a step back and viewing things more distantly. Like I said, 600 different ways this can manifest and most of them are not something to feel like "i'm hopelessly insane" over.Brain just does stuff sometimes, and as stressful as the world is these days, sometimes it does stuff a little more often.
I have finished UTY's genocide route last week and immediately had to draw a pregnant Martlet Zenith. What is it about this dumb bird that causes this?
>>4015200Eh you know, we fly a little close but generally we keep our grip on reality where possible you know?as long as we remember to come back to reality eventually there's nothing wrong with a little mental tokyo drifting.probably.
>>4015205She's a cutie, certified and true.>>4015199also I just realized you were referring to the second part of my post and not the first.yeah fictionkinners and "plurals" are fucking nuts.
>>4015203>shiftersNo, that's a new one for me, these communities keep coming up with new identities more retarded than the last
i sure do LOVE the fangame thread being used as a /vg/ general chatroom for whatever off topic crap people think off! seeing random discussions about paw pads, shitposter OCs, and fucking DID pretenders of all things.IM DEFINITELY NOT IN THE FANGAME THREAD FOR FANGAME RELATED CONVERSATIONS OR UPDATES. NOPE. NOBODY'S HERE FOR THOSE!
>>4015207>also I just realized you were referring to the second part of my post and not the first.I was referring to the first part of your post
>>4015209how about you start the conversation you want to see you whiny fuck.we're on topic like 90 percent of the time, so we slipped a little.
>>4015208Okay, basically, "shifters" are people who think they can send their mind to other universe by thinking about it really hard, based on some old (bogus) government document saying it's possible (which was almost certainly just written to fuck with the Soviets, but I digress), and there's a huge online community about them.My favorite thing to come of that is a reddit post where some guy said he was assigned a room mate for his college dorm, and tried to "shift" to a universe where he didn't have a room mate, and when he got back to his dorm after a while, his room mate had a heart attack and died, and he was really excited that his shift worked.
>>4015210oh well then whoops.
>>4015209Blow it out your ass.
>>4015211your idea of on topic is spending 2500 posts talking about fetishes.and there's no point in even trying to start an actually on topic conversation because it'll just get two replies before someone goes "OOOGGGGHHHH FOX ELBOWS" and somehow manages to get a 200 post conversation
>>4015215ok cool so you aren't even from these threads and just want to complain.
>>4015203I always heard that used as a term for werewolf and shapeshifter focused genre fiction. I assume that's not what you mean.
>>4015215>"OOOGGGGHHHH FOX ELBOWS"I'm not into elbows and Reynault only has the one anyway.
>>4015215if those fox elbows belong to a fangame character then I'd argue the conversation is on topic
>>4015217Scroll down a little, I elaborated more.
>>4015202Actually we do>>4015154>>4015174
>>4015209Look man, there hasn't been anything to report on any fangames lately, so it's this, or talking about sexy sex stuff again.And no one's into the sexy sex stuff I'm into, and this is all way funnier, so it's this.
>>4015221don't drag my post into this, I've said all I wanted to say on the matter.
>>4015211>>4015214The past 200 posts have not been about fangames.
>>4015222nta but there's plenty of other topics to discuss even without updates, and we HAVE those other discussions.
>>4015225I've got balls of steel!
>>4015209It's all so tiresome
>>4015228Blow it out your ass.
>>4015214I take it you enjoyed the video. This video does kinda feel like something Toby would've referenced in Undertale.
>>4015225>still hasn't suggested another topiccool, we've clearly got some people trying to stir shit up today.
>>4015230Oh, it was a riot, got fuckin' tears in my eyes, that was great.I think my personal favorite thing like that might still be "Are you guys going trick-or-treating?", but that Duke one's priceless too.
>>4015231You're so right anon, its all just a bunch of trolls.
>>4015231nta, but why bother? you're just gonna bury it with some retarded conversation about otherkin or whatever
>>4015233I think we've had some people like that for a while now, like that incident a few days back.We might just have a few bad actors in general, trying to paint everyone else as a bad actor.So, we've reinvented cold-war era espionage, localized entirely within our threads.
>>4015144>>4015150I got mixed up, it was a different one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYHTr2Z82Ao
>>4015234He won't, but his headmate might.
>>4015235Am I allowed to call the Dukeposter one or no?>>4015202fuck it I already have his info anyway, might as well spread it around offsite
>>4015232"I'm gonna kick your ass, old style" sounds like something I could work into Oldentale. That's something Redrake would say. Maybe Reynault gets his hands on a prototype voice recorder and uses it to fuck with his team.
>>4015239I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum.And I'm all out of gum.
>>4015205>and immediately had to draw a pregnant Martlet Zenithmay I see it?
>>4015241NTA, not only is this unfunny, you're also hogging the image limit
>>4015236Okay, that's fucking hysterical too, god damnit.
Picked up Soulblazers, though I don't have much time to play it tonight. kind of a bold move for it to have kris talk to you right at the start >>4015234"oh no, people have conversations sometimes that I don't like, therefore I can't have a conversation."you will not survive the winter.
>>4015240>Maybe Reynault gets his hands on a prototype voice recorder and uses it to fuck with his team.Yeah, I could see that, sounds perfect for him.Hey, maybe he could even pass it off as training them to avoid deception from the enemy, justification!
>>4015243Kill yourself
>>4015245I'm not going to do too many images right now but right off the bat the little shit attacked me even when I didn't get all that close to him.And while I would spare him, when you battle him, the fact that you don't get a choice to just kill him even if it's a game over because you'd get stuck is a bit lame.little dick head attacked me.
>>4015209I know you have genuine concerns, but I just see angry Ralsei and all I want to do is point and laugh. I love it when that little wigger is mad.
>>4015116>twitterite starts crying about anons invalidating his schizophrenic delusions
>>4015247nta, I do agree on the image limit even if that other anon is being a little bitch about the thread, but I feel like no one has been really 'gentle' with the image limit.
>>4015251Kill yourself
>>4015218He did have some pretty exotic ones before he got Vader'd. With all those feathers poking off really far behind the elbow.
>>4015252: (
>>4015254kill yourself or leave.we will post whatever the fuck we want, whenever we want
>>4015247>>4015251I'm unrelated to the anon complaining about the thread,I just think that if you're going to use so many images it should be for something more worthy, like a fanart, fangame dev or a funny imageThose duke posts were none of that
>>4015253I mean, yeah, he has nice features, there's a lot to like about him, I know that, the elbows in particular just don't do anything for me like that, you see.
>>4015256I've got balls of steel.
>>4015256Kill yourself
>>4015244"Have we tried asking nicely?" is the highlight of that video. I gotta put that in my game somewhere. Honestly if nothing at all came out of the prior discussion, I've at least got some funny ideas for scenes now.
>>4015216i've been here since 20 fucking 23, either the day UTY launched or the one after.i have had this thread open 24/7 and been in almost all of the /v/ threads, only missing a few weeks once we started doing one a week.the difference back then is that there was a BALANCE.people understood to keep the unhinged discussions paced out with more normal ones.and this thread was originally meant for devanons to have a place to make UPDATE POSTS and for people to find /v/ threads.it was not meant for people to yap, /vrpg/ was chosen specifically because its a slower board that can handle the time between devposts. we had an unspoken courtesy rule where these threads would be slower for them to post about updates where they're easily visible and whatever dev shenanigans they were currently dealing with. one thread could easily last over a month as devposts trickled in and people talked about things directly related to those.and you know what we did when momentum was still going from the last /v/ thread? WE MADE ANOTHER.for the better part of a year i have watched these threads go from that to their current state, where they hit the bump limit in less than THREE FUCKING DAYS and end up getting thousands of posts before they get bumped off the board.the actual devposts or direct fangame related posts get buried in favor of some nigger going on and on about how much he loooves [extremely specific monster body part], and the only time devposts do gain any real attention is if they're right at the top of the thread or the devanon is actively responding to people and making sure there's more than one post on the topic.you /vg/tier faggots let yourselves in and completely ignored how these threads used to function. and rather than take a single moment to self reflect you just call the person calling you out a bad faith actor.>inb4 ohh buh the thread's just changed! you just have to accept how it is now!kill yourself.genuinely, just kill yourself.
>>4015258Anon, I'm sure you and your boufriend find this to be very funny, but the joke can't land without the audio, and it wasn't even that funny with it
>>4015255Asking anons to consider the image limit is a completely respectable angle. we were pretty fucked on it last thread. Not sure why you're being like this>we will post whatever the fuck we want, whenever we wantwe've got a pretty good track record for trying to make this a good place. I don't think I'm being all that absurd here.>>4015256The duke is pretty funny and all, but that, the guy who was using the 3d models as an avatar, feels like we're gonna have no images for a week this time around.
>>4015247It was funny, but the joke's run its course. Plus he's right about the image limit.Also try not to be so aggressive, its bad for thread health.
>>4015260>Honestly if nothing at all came out of the prior discussion, I've at least got some funny ideas for scenes now.I can't say for sure how many people will get that or find it funny, but I know I'll be laughing my ass off if you do end up doing something with that.
>>4015265How many got the kono dio da or the cutsman references?
>>4015263In hindsight, that was rather attention-whorish of me.>>4015261It remains tiresome, we had someone trying to argue in favor of actual shit at the tail end of the weekend thread.
>>4015266The what?
>>4015265The premise of the line is so funny on its own that the joke would still land even if you didn't get the reference.
>>4015266>kono dio daThat one's pretty popular, I'd say a lot of people would've noticed that.Though it does also occur to me that I don't know where such a reference may have popped up in anything you've done so far, so, uh.>cutsmanOh, you mean Gutsman's ass?
>>4015268My point exactly. Both of them are in the Mad Dummy fight btw.
>>4015271NTA, but oh, in UT proper.I got those even as a kid, so maybe it just depends on what some people have been exposed to.
>>4015271No, I mean, where do those references appear?
>>4015261>people understood to keep the unhinged discussions paced out with more normal ones.which does happen. we've had a lot of discussions about mechanics, fics (non lewd ones even including a very long discussion about that which people mistook for an argument) character motivations (this one comes back frequently but there's a lot to discuss with this to be fair)>we had an unspoken courtesy rule where these threads would be slower for them to post about updates where they're easily visible and whatever dev shenanigans >and you know what we did when momentum was still going from the last /v/ thread? WE MADE ANOTHER.if you've been here, you should know that we're having issues with mods deleting threads which has only slightly calmed down recently. you want more threads? make them. Instead what we get is people waiting around all day for a thread to get made while 2-3 people make the threads.>the actual devposts or direct fangame related posts get buried in favor of some nigger going on and on about how much he loooves [extremely specific monster body part], and the only time devposts do gain any real attention is if they're right at the top of the thread or the devanon is actively responding to people and making sure there's more than one post on the topic.>>inb4 ohh buh the thread's just changed! you just have to accept how it is now!no, I'm going to tell you it's always been like this but just slower because of less people in the thread, like the last time we had this conversation.yeah there are shitposters and people making more disgusting posts than usual, people trying to cause problems, but that again, comes with A. more population and B. more people taking bait or having shit tastes (sadly literally in some cases).there's tons of on topic discussion. we did bad at that today but we have tons of good on topic discussion.
>>4015261Maybe instead of complaining we should just try making more /v/ threads. The reason things got so active in here in the first place was jannnies artificially forcing us back here because they kept deleting the threads.
>>4015274>NOOOOOO JUST LE ACCEPT THINGS AS THEY LE ARE THERE IS NO /VG/ NIGGER PROBLEM!!!!kill yourself.
>>4015273NTA, but the Gutsman's ass reference is in the guitar riff that plays when the mad dummy is first revealed, and the whole character himself is a pretty overt reference to DIO at times, with the knife-throwing, and repeating phrases, etc.
>>4015267>we had someone trying to argue in favor of actual shit at the tail end of the weekend thread.Maybe you just need to be more open minded about the circle of life.
>>4015270I'm talking about the references in Undertale. Besides JoJo wasn't nearly as popular back in 2015. At least not in english speaking countries.>>4015273In Undertale, in the mad dummy fight. The Mad Dummy quotes Dio (even does the face) then starts throwing knives. Before that, he does the Gutsman's ass thing when he's introduced.
>>4015279why dont the /vg/ pests be more open minded about returning to where they belong?
>>4015275>The reason things got so active in here in the first place was jannnies artificially forcing us back here because they kept deleting the threads.there's a direct corelation here too. we had some /v/ threads getting deleted for like a month, and some nights anons didn't even bother moving to the /v/ thread when it was made because it was just going to get deleted. We haven't been having that issue lately, but we do have an issue with people waiting around for a thread to get created.>>4015279>>4015267I'm 100 percent confident that the poster in question was using that as devils advocate to say that unbirthing isn't good just because it involves "natural stuff"
>>4015267You're not supposed to acknowledge bad posts, anon. We've been over this. Pointing it out just ensures there will be more. Really all the hostility here has only served to make things worse. People need to learn to refuse the bottle when offered.
>>4015277right, have fun with your tantrum. last time you had this tantrum it was when fangame mechanics and fanfics were being discussed I believe. You are clearly not being genuine.
>>4015283>People need to learn to refuse the bottle when offered.Too late, thread's got a drinking problem.
>>4015240Jerseyans certainly do come up with interesting idioms and make for interesting characters.>>4015261Agreed totally. /vrpg/ is a valuable hub but it's also a precious, limited resource. However, telling a bunch of autists to keep things on topic without having any power over them is the digital version of herding cats. At least we can be thankful the Twatter chuds and troons haven't discovered this place, at least not yet.>>4015271>>4015278I had no idea Mad Dummy was a reference to anything. That tracks given that Toby is a weeb.>>4015282As the guy who was arguing with him last thread, that's what I assume too. I still stand by that metaphysics in art applies and some fetish art can be less bad than other types depending on the context.
>>4015284>>4015283maybe don't cry and whine about how everyone is insincere when they don't kiss your ass
>>4015287You're reply to two different people.
>>4015248>>4015245something I'm wondering about, I've heard good things about SOULblazers, but a lot of the community has that issue with "pacifist is the only way" and I wonder if they've snuck something like that into this game. Would be dumb as hell for what this game is if they did that I think.
>>4015289I was just going to ignore him personally. the doomposting is over limit for the day personally.
>>4015286>I still stand by that metaphysics in art applies and some fetish art can be less bad than other types depending on the context.NTA, but as an observer to the wonderful clown show that was the end of that thread in particular, and therefore someone who bore witness to your talking points, while that *is* true that something *can* be more than what it looks like on the surface, you seemed to be arguing that the art in question was made as such that it effectively *wasn't* fetish art, which is clearly ridiculous.It's fetish art, it's art you're meant to get off to, don't get so pretentious and act like it's so much more than that just because you like it that much, come on now.And no, I'm not letting you make a mountain out of a molehill about this, that's all there is to say on the matter.
>>4015286>I had no idea Mad Dummy was a reference to anything.The reference is even more obvious in the MewMew fight, where it is exactly the Dio face she makes. She even says something like "But it was ME!" while doing it.
>>4015283Anon, you spur this on when you do this hugbox validation shit.
>>4015294"refuse the bottle" is not hugbox validation.
>>4015291There you go, doing it again.
>>4015269It's pretty good, yeah.So maybe it'll just be funnier for people in the know, while still kinda landing for people who aren't.
>>4015295Anon, you're still holding the bottle.
>>4015295>>4015299So the threads haven't gotten worse?
>>4015299Ah, so I am so I am. Well, shitshows like this are bound to happen occasionally. I'll put it down now and maybe get some nice sleep.
>>4015301and then tomorrow, you'll go on to continue acting like a /vg/ rat, pretending you've won some moral highground simply because you said "well i choose to ignore the guy calling out my /vg/ behavior"
so moving on from all that nonsense.this image probably didn't NEED to be catboxed, but it's slightly saucy.https://files.catbox.moe/ime43k.jpg the idea of a furry sweating bothers me a bit but it's ceroba sweating in sporty attire. maybe she just poured her drink on herself to cool off, or maybe someone would much prefer it was sweat
>>4015302I've got balls of steel.
>>4015292Nah, it is fetish art which is clear to anyone who sees it, even if anons think it's more tasteful than what one would expect. To not be fetish art, it would have to not be sexual (almost every picture involved has Martlet's genitalia on display, so they're all sexualized) and would have to be done in a way that doesn't call out the unusual nature of it. It's hypothetically possible, and I've wanted to have this tested for a while now.It's also worth noting that many artists have the opposite problem, where they want to draw an innocent picture like that of pregnancy but it looks like fetish art. I understand wanting to drop the discussion. My interest is basically academic anyway.
>>4013757Instead of vagueposting I found some time so I can actually post these. I hope you guys enjoy it, I had a lot of fun making this!https://files.catbox.moe/dkwgke.pngConcept art colors alt https://files.catbox.moe/dqp4zs.png
>>4015305anon, the bottle
>>4015307>Nah, it is fetish art which is clear to anyone who sees it, even if anons think it's more tasteful than what one would expectnta but you know, tasteful is probably the perfect word for this.Like there's a difference between art of things that I'M into that's "tasteful" and that's much more, what's the opposite. Raunchy?>>4015308good lord anon. that's not quite my cup of tea, but I respect the drive. are you the anon that was talking about doing this after beating genocide recently?
>>4015307A fetish is inherently sexual, that's why it's a fetish.All fetish art is sexual art, they can't be separated.Anyway, I moreso want to curb the discussion there because I don't want to risk drawing the attention of the guy who calls you a troll if you so much as say one non-thread approved thing about the drawfag's work, as well as because I also just don't like it too much.
>>4015308I think her legs have some odd proportions, but other than that, nicely done anon, I don't think I've seen your art here before
>>4015308can you make a non-unbirthing alt?
Well, this was a funny night for the thread.I think I may have let my "what would Reynault do?" thought-process out a bit more than I should've.Anyway, back to Wiki sex, starting on the lineart.
>>4015316>Well, this was a funny night for the thread."of all of the threads we've had, this sure was one of them...">starting on the lineart.nice.
>>4015317>"of all of the threads we've had, this sure was one of them..."Eh, we had some decent conversation tonight.Or, funny at least.To me.>nice.I hope to have it completed swiftly, and that it will be enjoyed by some.
>>4015304Ceroba if she didn't cancel her gym membership.Thinking about monster biology as analogous to their animal counterparts is interesting, but real-life birds don't sweat yet Martlet clearly does in-game. I'm not exactly sure about the evolutionary reason why vulpines can't sweat except through their paws, but their ears do a lot of the work regarding heat management.>>4015308Thank you for making this! It's not my thing and the body proportions are a bit odd, but I'd say you nailed her face which is always the most important part.
>>4013918Quetzali pregnant expansion involving her children being much larger in human form than in snake form. Or if that's not to your liking, Roba x Chujin preg sex, with as large of a Roba as you're willing to draw.
>>4015310Yep that's me I have also only played UTY exclusively >>4015313>>4015320Thanks anons, this is my first go at undertale fan art. I don't have very much anatomy practice down and it's probably a side effect of wanting to give her a fat ass and also letting her legs terminate in thin-ish bird feet like the concept art
>>4015320>Thinking about monster biology as analogous to their animal counterparts is interesting, but real-life birds don't sweat yet Martlet clearly does in-game.yeah, I know that monsters do things sometimes that aren't quite right, and a bird sweating is also very odd to think of, but even if monsters do these things, actually seeing it in a picture takes my brain between "sexy athletic roba" and "why is she sweating what's going on what the fuck is happening oh god."
>>4015322I'd say you could just extend her thighs and shins and that would fix it.
>>4015019You might want to try out DOSBox-X, it has a clicky-click GUI for convenient config changes, as well as other additional features
>>4015329I don't think this'll be a regular thing for me, this is just for the sake of testing something.
>>4015322>SpoilerYou never played the original Undertale?As for her legs, like the other anon said, making them longer should make the proportions look more natural
>>4015331Nope never played the original. I'll fix them up and post it next thread, probably. Don't know how often these threads are up though
>>4015332If you do play Undertale, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on it as someone who played UTY first.
>>4015332This makes you the third person from these threads that has played UTY before the original, it does make me wonder if someone will ever play one of the fangames from here before UTY or even before playing the original game.>Don't know how often these threads are up thoughThere's always one of these threads up, /vrpg/ is a pretty slow board, when one gets archived, someone makes a new one a few hours later.
>>4015332>>4015334Btw, what made you play UTY before Undertale? Did someone recommend it to you or did you just play it becaus it was free? At least one the anons who played UTY first did it because the game is freeware
>>4015332>Nope never played the originalIf you ever do, I really want to hear what you think. Want to hear about what the UTY -> UT play order experience is like
>>4015334Maybe one day, someone will play the entire Undertale series in chronological order, ending with Undertale.
>>4015322>>4015332Well that's unique. How did you play UTY and find this place before Undertale itself? What did you think of the game and how did not getting the references to the original affect your enjoyment?Also while I respect the bird feet I'm not a fan of Sumerian fertility goddess proportions in general. I feel like pregnant/lactation art would be more appealing to me with a thinner body shape.
>>4015337>Oldentale, UT Rose, UT Cyan, UT Naranja, UT Futility (lmao) ,Cooking With Kindness, UT Promise, UTY, Undertale, FountaintaleBut now that I think about it, starting with Oldentale would be like starting Star Wars with KOTOR, unless someone made an Undertale Cyan that connected with Oldentale better
>>4015339Obviously, there's needs to be a Chara focused prequel fangame that ties everything together.
>>4015335It was a mix of terminal contrarianism, thinking it would be fun to have a friend who has played both UT and DT watch me play Yellow and also seeing a thread about Martlet on /v/>>4015333I think the game is quite neat. The character writing is enjoyable and it felt like there was a good proportion of lighthearted/silly moments balanced out by more serious scenarios. The composer(s) made some banger tracks. Apparently the remixes are quite good too according to my friend.I really enjoyed the gameplay, I think I had a blast with pretty much every boss fight, even if both versions of Ceroba busted my ass. My only gripe with the game is that normal enemy variety is pretty poor, 100 encounters with igloo crabs and all that.The game also had some pretty pixel art too, especially the environments and backgrounds. I did laugh at the flashback scene where the devs put Alphys and Martlet next to each other, it was a bit jarring to see the difference in the sprite quality.I think it says a lot about the game that I enjoyed it without playing UT. To me it stands on its own just fine which is probably the best a fangame like this can hope for. It's up there with something like Shangai.exe, which is a fangame that I think can be enjoyed by people who know neither Touhou nor Battle Network.>>4015338I had a friend point out one or two things to me, but I don't think it affects my opinion at allAlso fair enough, I do like signirsol's fanart so it probably affected me a little lol. I might tone it down if I draw more of the bird
>>4015342I was asking you to give your thoughts on Undertale, if you ever play it, since I think you'd have a unique perspective.
>>4015342NTA you were talking with but as someone who drew zenmart (somewhat) before too, I hope you will give her another shot. I know I gotta draw more of my version of her in the future for sure. funnily enough, I have played UT and DR but not UTY
>>4015343I mixed your post in there accidentally, whoops
>>4015236You know, thinking about this again, who the hell goes into a voice channel in something like this to be alone?Couldn't you be more alone by just not being in the vent at all, just on your computer?I'm alone right now, I don't need to hop in a voice chat to be extra alone, what's the logic in this?Also, having watched a few more of these (the Top Gun one was great), I now can't stop thinking about the mental image of Reynault doing this kind of thing to people while absolutely dying of laughter on the other end while no one can hear him, like he's just absolutely losing it over this.
>>4015308I'm happy to see new drawanons here, welcome aboard and great stuff man. It looks good.I'm assuming the martlet drawanon's art from the all requests he got helped inspire you to draw this. In which case I'm sure many appreciate the contribution to the whole Marlet unbirthing Clover au. Now they have another artist onboard.Zenith Martlet's legs look a bit of, but overall I think you did a good job drawing this. Looking forward to seeing more from you!
>>4015338So essentially you're looking for the character's proportions to not be extreme, and within the prefect size so it looks appealing and realistic.So something like this image of a pregnant Zenith Martlet then? Good body shape, nice proportions, and overall nice to look at.https://files.catbox.moe/b644kg.png
>>4015219We should do an elbow ranking for the different fox characters we have around here.If I'm not mistaken, when it comes to fangames in general, we have Ceroba, Chujin, Kanako, Kitsy, Darkblade, and Reynault to go off of.So, who's got the best elbows of the lot?Who's elbows are the sexiest, the most satisfying?Discuss.
>>4015345Whats stopping you from playing it?
>>4015385Nothing. I'm just doing other stuff.
>>4015340Weird how there was only one attempt at such an story from the fandom, a Chara fangame would have one of the most unique undergrounds to explore, it could even be a more "slice of life" fangame like CWK with combat beign entirely optional
>>4015359Yes, though that's still at the upper bounds of what I like. Women do tend to gain weight in pregnancy but they can still maintain a somewhat slim figure, although that can look jarring with a pregnant belly. Art sites with nude studies are a good reference for this as they often have a few pregnant models there. That's more along the lines of how I imagine Martlet would look.>>4015345I know you lose something from all the spoilers beforehand but you should at least try it. Good luck with the other stuff in the meantime.
>>4013816Okay so I played DRY for what is there so far and it is pretty decent.I have put some of my thoughts about if any one cares:-Opener of the game is pretty strong. The nightmare between days was ehh.-I like relation of Cole and Kanako, its sweet but I wish there was at least one case of doubt/conflict between the 2. Not big conflict and long lasting, but still one that shifts things a bit. Also, in some dialogues you have 2 options, with one being always said by Cole and other by Kanako. I do think its nice to see how they just think alike, but it also doesn't really give you reason to choose over other, as they lead to the same thing being said.-I lost Coles light from the soul in the 5th minute, oops. Not complaining much tho, Kanako and Cole sealing fountain together is sweet, altough I hope it will have more consequences later.-This may sound weird, but I don't like how majority of npcs have portraits. I understand UTY and story relevant ones having them, as it would seem weird to not include them, but in dark world it should just the big bad. I'm not sure about this thought, it could very well be about the way they are made, I'm not confident tho.-I like the writing with npcs in light world, especially the various conflicts, but in dark world they seem a bit stiff. It may be due to lack of visual gags or them not appearing as much directly but, not so sure. Please, don't make more of those chuds that say they will fight something along your team to not do anything in the end.-Designs of Darkners, without mentioning lack of shading, is ok. I feel like there is too many of those either look straight at camera or at 90 degree angle, with only a few being in between. I will say I like some of enemies being like a spawn directly from fountain.-Majority of enemy attacks are kinda boring. I know undertale/deltarune arent't know for amazing visuals, but I wouldn't call 2 slow big pencils an enticing attack. Also, stretched sprites are offputing.
>>4015441-There is a bit too many enemy encounters for my liking, even if you can avoid most of them. Just a bit.-Save points not restoring health gave me bad habit of spending too much time in battles, just to heal everyone with spells. I could later afford for healing items, but I really don't feel like going all the wayback to storage or shop to get them back.-Please remove the pairing of Dark Sentinel with that gear enemy. You can't dodge that shit.-Team is generally balanced, but I don't understand why Axis can outperform Kanako in single target healing.-Iframes are funnily coded in battles. They are there for few seconds or UNTIL you stop having contact with attack. That resulted in me running away from attacks, failing and dying on full hp few times.-Puzzles are alright for the most part, but gee, the mirrors in archives took me way to long and that is because I solved first room without the light going to other rooms. I only realized that after 10 minutes and even then, the big room is a headache. I also don't find puzzles with redirecting water shots to be fun. I don't know if the shots dissapearing was left as legit or due to technical issues, but I don't like either way.-Didn't expect the paper statues to be bait, along with them having some funny remix. I will give you that.-I didn't manage to the climax of secrets/side quests in both dark worlds. I couldn't find the door to use the old key and I didn't find the npc in spire that would trade me cards. I suck at secret hunting, but even with good old reliable wallhumping I wasn't able to find those and I didn't had big issue with secret bosses in Deltarune secret bosses. I wish they would be a bit better hinted in game, if you can even find them in current state.Overall, I enjoyed Deltarune Yellow (1 as you call it) and I'm patiently anticipating for its continuation.Also if someone pls would give a tip a about those 2 side quests.
>>4015358He called it pregnancy art earlier, Im not certain its also unbirthing related.
>>4015443>even with good old reliable wallhumping I wasn't able to find thoseI ran into the same thing in dry day 1 and Im not sure hownI managed to miss it. I hugged the wall right in the spot someone later told me it was in but I slipped right past it>Save points not restoring health gave me bad habit of spending too much time in battles, just to heal everyone with spells.When you gave up your light I think thats comsidered hard mode and it takes away healing at saves
>>4015441>>4015443>Opener of the game is pretty strong. The nightmare between days was ehh.each day will have a different day since it's building up to something>There is a bit too many enemy encounters for my liking, even if you can avoid most of themthat's a common complaint I got, I'm still learning how to game design as I go so it is a bit tricky, but DRY is actually a real RPG where your stats do matter unlike DR (you don't get EXP but I am making you gain actual permanent stat boosts that don't reset between chapters for defeating enemies for the next patch)>Please remove the pairing of Dark Sentinel with that gear enemyI thought I had fixed that in 0.2.2 (latest version on gamejolt), is it still too hard? was it due to the record or the blasts? might have to tweak it further>Iframes are funnily coded in battles.the iframe counter still goes even when youre colliding, I think it works fine but if it is an issue I might revise it
>>4015443>paper statuesWhat?>tips for those side questsThe door is located in the waterfall area room going under a bridge where you fight a mimic disquised as a chest, it is the next room after the town.The card quest in unrelated to the secret boss, and is so you can get additional money in the LW. To find the sercet boss in chapter 2, talk to the cloud shopkeep for a hint ( If you still couldnt figure it out, talk to Kanako in the elevator ).
>>4015441>>4015443>>4015457>I didn't manage to the climax of secrets/side quests in both dark worlds. I couldn't find the door to use the old key and I didn't find the npc in spire that would trade me cards. I suck at secret hunting, but even with good old reliable wallhumping I wasn't able to find those and I didn't had big issue with secret bosses in Deltarune secret bosses. I wish they would be a bit better hinted in game, if you can even find them in current state.I added some faint hints on the tiles to where you have to walk in those areas but I guess its still too subtle, though I don't know how to change it without making it a huge signpostalso talking to shopkeepers usually give you hints on how to find the secretsI've received complaints the card sidequest is "useless" if you did it after a certain event, but I'm thinking about adding a different area to use it if you do miss the area to use it>>4015458>What?he means the ones in sadie's basement
I had a dream about DRY just now.I played the alt route in DRY and there was a section where the party members were 3D and the screen zoomed out to show a colossal bridge with various obstacles and enemies. Defeating the enemies or knocking them off would increase lawful alignment for some reason. This might've been ordinary Deltarune but I'm sure, also it was poorly received despite the creativity Later on, there was a cutscene where Axis detects a threat and zooms ahead at over 200mph to land a punch…only to hit a darkner that looks like a blue fox girl. She froze into a statue, and Axis was reminded of how much she looks like Kanako. Consumed by guilt, he carried her through the rest of the dark world to show her the sights she couldn’t see on her own. Finally, at the end of the dark world she crumbled away.Keep in mind, I've only just started the alt route on Chapter 2. Dreams related to UTY/DRY are rare and precious to me, but I just had to share.
>>4015465>second spoilersThats actually kind of nice, fug.
>>4015441>>4015443I will give my own review when I finish the alt route, though it will have to be in rentry.>I like relation of Cole and Kanako, its sweet but I wish there was at least one case of doubt/conflict between the 2. Not big conflict and long lasting, but still one that shifts things a bit.I do agree. What's refreshing about Deltarune is that Susie will sometimes butt heads and refuse to do what you want, enforcing the illusion that she is a person rather than just a party member. The same doesn't quite apply to Kanako except when she stops you from interacting with some objects or NPCs. Her and Cole's different personalities still come across great, and as longtime friends they wouldn't have much to disagree on, but there could be something. I haven't selected the bad options where you really let her down, though.>Save points not restoring health gave me bad habit of spending too much time in battles, just to heal everyone with spellsThat's because you gave up your light.>the shots dissapearing was left as legitIt's called "quantum effects" in-gameI had no issues with the secret bosses on my own. Mileage may vary.
>>4015470I think Cole and Kanako will have a big disagreement on day 3
Another good track by tgat legally distinct deltarune guy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_FRlYMlSCok
>>4015477I like the concept of a Deltarune take having light world battles, I think that was one idea for DRN
>>4015443glad I'm not tge only one who thought the dark world writing felt a little flat
>>4015459I'm gonna have to second the chapter 1 secret being way too hidden. I'm normally pretty good at finding secrets but I couldn't even find the key.
>>4015465I had a dream nightmare about Deltarune. Kris and Susie were in some spooky hotel that had darkners in it, but for some reason they had their light world outfits and stats. Susie had apparently been imprisoned there a while and was forced to commit acts of cannibalism against darkners and had gotten fat from it. She seemed borderline suicidal and in a disassociative state over it. Then we found Toriel who had also been kidnapped. When we tried to rescue her she told us to get back and that she couldn't hold it much longer, then this giant writhing white flesh monster burst out of her and attacked us. Of course she died in the process. I'm sure this stuff is somebody's fetish, but it just scared the hell out of me.
>>4015484That last part is word-for-word an OFF boss. I won't tell you which one because of spoilers, but you should play that game yourself. I recommend the original that you can download free online because its OST is better.
>>4015486It didn't really look like the bird guy, it was a lot less solid and defined, more of just a writhing mass of flesh, and the dynamics were different. This was more of an alien chestburster situation, while that guy in OFF was more like Edgar in Men In Black, basically just being a skin suit for the boss.
>>4015342>To me it stands on its own just fine which is probably the best a fangame like this can hope for.I agree, and I think it can actually make a pretty good introduction to the series. Besides you, I have yet to come across anyone that has played it before either of the official games, though.>It's up there with something like Shangai.exe, which is a fangame that I think can be enjoyed by people who know neither Touhou nor Battle Network.Have you played either Touhou or Battle Network, out of curiosity? I remember seeing lots of threads about Shanghai.exe, especially after the DMCA and source release, but never got around to playing it.
Apparently Deltatraveler was originally going to have a section set in Toon Town Online with full 3d graphics https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X-_FiK1cV1c
>>4015507could you imagine the game pulling the>w-w-why would yuo genoslides all of the machines like this?with those graphics?
>>4015507They were NOT cooking with their story ideas.
>>4015507Speaking of Deltatraveler, it seems a month ago they posted a status update. They consider the project out of hiatus, they're apparently going to reboot and rename the game, and replace the TS Underswap section with a different setting.https://deltatraveler.vyletbunni.com/news/20260605/
>>4015513>they're apparently going to reboot and rename the gameWhy can't fangame devs just push forward? imagine if Toby decided to reboot the game after making waterfall because the ruins wasn't as good as the rest of the game
>>4015516This is a problem with independent artists in general.
>>4015516I dunno, DRY benefitted from having a revamped day 1. Turned it from a meh chapter into a pretty good one.Deltatraveler could really, REALLY do with a rewrite, but unfortunately their writing didn't improve too much over time.
>>4015516Because they were so catastrophically wrong with how they thought the game was going to go that, even without the trash writing, it doesn't really make much sense anymore.
>>4015523Reworking something is different from changing the entire thing, imagine if the UTY took a few months to add content to the dark ruins before the game's release, that would have been okay, it would have been a different thing if they tried to make the entire game from scratch discarding content that was finished or almost finishedIts like how the UT Futility dev kept changing the art style even months before the game got cancelled, a huge change like that is not something you can make without reworking everything else
>>4015525Okay, but who cares?Wouldn't it have been more interesting to see how they thought the game was going to go, instead of reworking their entire story to fit how the game actually is, especially since that means way more work has to be done, reducing the chances of their game actually ever being finished?
>>4015516to be fair, with the way DT was going originally, they probably needed it.
>>4015529Personally I just could not stand any of the writing, even with suspending my belief of it being completely non-canon fanfiction. It definitely doesnt' need a complete overhaul, but it really needed a rewriting pass like with Ribbit 2.0
>>4015534Okay, yeah, DT's writing is bad, but that's a separate issue from its story going in a different direction from what DR's story is going in.There's a difference between smoothing out some character dialogue or whatnot, and rewriting the entire story to be more "accurate".
>>4015528I can see what you're saying. I was under the impression that the reboot was originally intended to be a rewrite + extra content similar to what you described, but the blog post seems to imply the changes now run deeper.
some UTY sprite anim starring martlet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFSk9g4iU5U
Third and hopefully final draft of Cracking Open a Kanacoke:https://rentry.co/8pr66frh>>4013868I've gone in and added some extra body language to Kanako. For the Ceroba and Cole scene, I tried to splice the DNA of the original and your suggestion, hopefully to our mutual satisfaction.>>4013843Sorry if you already sat down and read the second draft when I'm posting this final one. I'm also making a bit of extra work for you, since I didn't realize I needed to enter a new edit code when I used the first one provided by the website. I ended up locked out of my own rentry after updating it to the second draft.
So I've been watching JJK and I got to the scene where Sukuna kills Jogo and I get why people made all those jokes about drawing Sukuna as (you). That scene where that guy's is flashing before his eyes, and he talks to all his dead friends, getting invaded by Sekuna is absolutely something I could see happening in the weird route. (You) invading someone's flashback. Would make for great meta horror.
>>4015588The only thing I've heard related to JJK is when some artist on twitter drew a humanized version of the ender dragon as a man and people were calling them misogynistic about it, and someone said "this the same artist that drew Sukuna breastfeeding Gojo idk why ya'll think they gaf".Anyway yeah, I think the idea of invading someone's mind like that in the weird route could be pretty interesting depending on how it's executed, not sure who it would be done with though.
>>4015565> I'm also making a bit of extra work for you, since I didn't realize I needed to enter a new edit code when I used the first one provided by the website. You're good anon, I plan on re-reading yours and the other anons fics this weekend. Is that the link you want me to end up using?>I ended up locked out of my own rentry after updating it to the second draft.Yeah the codes can be a pain. Ive got documents filled with codes for those suckers.
>play undertale cooking with kindness fangame>see intro, get harddamn
>>4015593Which part made you hard, anon?
>>4015591Yeah, that link goes to the newest version, and unless I bungle something massively, it should remain the latest version and I won't lock myself out, lol. I'll have to get a document together to record those codes from now on.
DR Broken Destiny is looking for composers (also new bnuuy anim)https://gamejolt.com/p/help-wanted-recruiting-music-composers-x2fmqu2t
>>4015589Its not even invading their mind in JJK, the person in question was already dead. Nothing but a burned out husk of a corpse. This was one of those anime trope scenes where the newly dead character is in a white void being greeted by all their dead friends. Then Sukuna just showed up there and started commenting on the contents of what should've been a metaphorical scene so its closer to (you) abusing meta elements to show up on screen than it is actually invading someone's mind. I suppose for (you) it wouldn't be invading their mind at all, but simply refusing to engage with the concept of "their mind". Its on screen, so (you) interact with it.I still don't know how Sukuna did that by the way. The show will go out of its way to explain the fundamental physics behind everything, but not this. That's probably how characters in universe would view the things (you) do as well now that I think about it.Another thing I want to comment on in terms of similarities is that the idea of the Knight abusing cutscenes to win a fight sounds like it could be a domain expansion in JJK. Domain' expansions rewrite reality in such a way that your attacks will always hit (the specifics vary based on the individual domain), and forcing everyone involved into a scripted sequence where they will lose fits perfectly in that. Its not like this would be too meta either, because there's another guy that forces everyone to fight in key frames, and if your motion doesn't fit perfectly in 24 frames a second, you freeze in place. Its just crazy how well these things fit together.
>>4015593>>4015594remember to put it in spoiler text for those of us who haven't played it yet.
>>4015594idk but i want more mt ebott mountain vore
>>4015604Oh, I didn't know that was still a thing.Is that guy on the left doing the Carlton?
>>4015607I think that's called falling in a hole.
>>4015606okay, so, uhi decided to play badly on purpose, got all Fs and got a -100 GOLD reduction, for some reason i got softlocked on 0 gold -32 reduction
I've been listening to the MGR boss themes on loop while I work on the lineart for this drawing, and now I'm just thinking about absentmindedly listening to songs like these around Wiki while she focuses on the lyrics with a look of extreme concern on her face as she thinks about what the songs are saying.
>>4015617like, it DOES go down from -100 to some number but it literally gets stuck
>>4015529Not really since the way they were going with the story was incredibly stupid and mostly rode on the novelty.
>>4015622>with the story was incredibly stupid and mostly rode on the novelty....And DR's story hasn't been just a little stupid either lately?
>>4015622It being stupid and now wrong makes it more novel
>>4015619Which scrimblos would enjoy the MGR OST the most and which ones would feel concerned about it?
>>4015625Darkblade and Luzma would love them.
>>4015516undertale yellow did that instead of revamping their earlier sections and now it resulted in most of the first half being kinda meh, plus, their plot couldve benefitted from having a do-over or two considering how dumb the roba's plot and how she jabbed her own kid like a dumbass and still got forgiven for trying to kill clover, with no strings attached, and then clover deciding to pull a Yellow from deltarune while his friends support him in his desire to die
>>4015625>scrimblosMine, personally?Luzma.In general?Luzma, and Darkblade, at least.>which ones would feel concerned about it?The ones least comfortable with violence.
>>4015628You think UTY would have released at all if they rebooted the game? Besides, in the timeline of an ideal UTY these threads most likely wouldn't exist
>>4015631maybe? either way, fixing up your game's plot so that it remains good is ideal, im not saying you should remake every single asset to make it super 3D HD shaders and shadows and shit, just the plot would be nice
>>4015633>just the plot would be niceI mean, it looks like they just used their first draft and never revised it, ideally you would have a draft of the entire game ready during the middle of the development, you shouldn't be rewriting you entire ending while you're already making assets for it
>>4015625This will be Carol's boss theme:https://youtu.be/Q5T-epVCE6E
with deltarune's orange soul mechanic in mind, how would an orange soul fangame using that work? is it just a Val-like crazy guy running across and around the entire fucking field every single time the enemy attacks them?
>>4015638It would just be geometry dash or any other auto runnerThere's a reason why soul fangames don't use the soul gimmick for every single battle, although in the case of the justice soul the gimmick could actually work in all fights
>>4015638>is it just a Val-like crazy guy running across and around the entire fucking field every single time the enemy attacks them?Maybe you could actually do something with this.Since UT's battle-board is oriented vertically compared to DR's, maybe you could have it so that the soul starts at the bottom of the board at every attack, and it has to get through the enemy's projectiles in order to smack into the enemy themself at the top of the screen in order to do damage.So, instead of doing damage through fighting normally, you're smacking them with your soul.
Honest question, would people here have liked Flowery more if he was a more direct parallel/callback to Flowey when it comes to his character writing?
>>4015650I don't think that would have changed my opinion of him really. I just felt like the story waited too long to start angling for "you should care about this guy by the way"just too many characters at once getting screentime.
>>4015650Bringing back legacy characters is always a risky move, because fans already have expectations around them.There is a small chance anons here would have loved it and a higher chance they would hate what it implies for the actual Flowey.UTY got lucky and nailed his personality, but not the role he fulfills in the story.
I don't know why I felt compelled to make this, this isn't even what I'm doing right now.Does this violate blue board rules?Anyway, almost done with the lineart, pfffftt.
>>4015623That's one chapter of stupidity ruining a previously good game vs a bad idea from the start only getting worse with time.
>>4015650The problem with Flowery is execution. Not!Flowey probably would've sucked just as bad, if not worse, because of the bad writing in chapter 5. Flowery, on paper, is a good character. He just isn't in the game because the writing sucks.
>>4015635>I mean, it looks like they just used their first draft and never revised itThere were definitely other drafts before what we got. The earliest conceived plot had an unused character with Ace's design as the main antagonist, and earlier drafts of the current one had Ceroba straight up murder Kanako to become immortal and Clover kills her without your input
>>4015650I don't feel like pretending Flowery was a "bad" character and there's something to fix with him at this point.Like, even if you're serious about the honest question thing, and that there wasn't a whole conversation about how it's nice that the flowers are their own thing instead of just being an explicit Undertale retread.
>>4015679>it's nice that the flowers are their own thing instead of just being an explicit Undertale retread.It's not like there's a whole lot to retread when it comes to the six human souls anyway, we barely actually know anything about them, so Flowey's the only one that really could've been recycled even if that was the angle they went for.
>>4015679>about how it's nice that the flowers are their own thing instead of just being an explicit Undertale retread.I like that, if anything, I think they should've gone further, and made the flowers even less human looking.
>>4015683>>4015679Except Flowery though, he can stay as is. All of them being very obviously not human except him only adds to the joke.
>>4015684I dunno, Seth seemed pretty normal.
>>4015680When I say they're not "an undertale retread" I mean how thick it's laid on that they're clearly not representative of the implied characters from undertale.
>>4015685Read what I was replying to. I said they should've been less human than they were.
>>4015687That post said "even less", which implies they were already pretty non-human looking, but going off UTDR's standards for what constitutes a human, they were all pretty human looking.Except orange, anyway.
>>4015689Aqua is a cyclops and B*ue has butterfly wings with a face on them. I guess Seth and Yellow look normal. I was saying they should all look obviously not human from a glance, but he genuinely convinced that they are human.
>>4015689So did you just skip over the fact that Aqua has an indeterminant amount of eyes, Green is a fucking square, Yellow is unreasonably tall, blue is anatomically clashing with the rest of the art style, orange, and seth is some kind of purple sweatered rabbity thing?
>>4015690>Aqua is a cyclopsThat's only visible when her hair's up.>B*ue has butterfly wings with a face on them.Those are also only sometimes visible.Also, wouldn't it make more sense to censor one of the vowels, like "Bl*e", or "Blu*"? Or just both of them? "B*ue" just seems clunky.>I guess Seth and Yellow look normal.What about green?>I was saying they should all look obviously not human from a glance, but he genuinely convinced that they are human.Eh, I guess.
>>4015691>So did you just skip over the fact that Aqua has an indeterminant amount of eyesSome real humans also have an indeterminate amount of eyes, who are you to judge?>Green is a fucking square,Now that's just rude.Maybe she has a spinal issue.>Yellow is unreasonably tallHe could just be a tall guy, nothing weird about that.>blue is anatomically clashing with the rest of the art style,So if anything, he's *too* human looking.>orangeElaborate.>and seth is some kind of purple sweatered rabbity thing?Seth's a rabbit?
>>4015692>"B*ue" just seems clunky.I deserves a clunky name. Maybe I'll just censor the thing instead. >What about green?Quasimodo looking ass>Eh, I guess.I think having them all be humans makes them too close to the UT humans, and adds a lot of ugly designs to the game.
>>4015695>Seth's a rabbit?She should be
>>4015697>Quasimodo looking assVery mean.>them all be humansOrange is validated.
>>4015695>elaborateUnnecessary>Seth's a rabbitYou could stick him next to qc and nearly nothing would look wrong aside from the Chapter 5 artstyle clash.
>>4015700>UnnecessaryI would simply like to know what you meant.>You could stick himPretty sure Seth's a girl.>next to qc and nearly nothing would look wrongIs it because they're both purple?
>>4015701I tire of your aimless shenanigans.
>>4015702That last one's a legit question, I really don't see it.
>>4015699>Orange is validated.All of them should look like Orange.
>>4015705So, human?
Almost done with the Wiki "Polynesian sex" drawing, just two things left to do, but it'll have to wait, because I'm fucking tired and need sleep.I'm gonna try and do shading with this one, since I haven't actually shaded any of my Wiki images before, usually because I was always trying to make them fast.Hopefully it'll be done before the first thread of the weekend is out, but who knows.I'd also like for the reception to not make me wanna take my head off with a trenchgun, but I know what to expect by now.Alright, good night.
>>4015565It's well worth reading it a second time. I love how awkward, tender and raw this blossoming romance is. Kanako's emotes are cute and now more consistently sprinkled throughout the story. Ceroba's talk is much better now that it gets both her concerns and her personality across. I'm happy I was able to contribute one small part.I noticed only one error. There's a quotation mark by mistake at the end of >In his face!?”
>>4015443Got to take a look at other entries on the rentry.I have no thoughts on Odentale and Survey Program as they are clearly unfinished to show much (godspeed).I got my hands on Undertale Naranja and didn't expect it's primary inspiration (aside of UT/DR themselfs) to be Baki of all things. I have very mixed feelings on that series and I hope UTN wouldn't try to be just that. Aside from that:-Starting game from falling section is kinda badass, but like DRY it kinda goes with it a bit too long to keep interest. I would add falling rocks to give some density to this section, not even as obstacles, just as a bit more flavor.-I didn't like fighting tutorial much, as it dumps you with a lot of info. I know the battle system is much more complex than UT, but for things like that you gradually give info so player can digest and not get overfed. Good decision to make it skippable, but it might leave many players with negative first impression.-The fighting itself is fun once you get hang of it, altough 2 types of enemies outside of Pastra is very little + they give very little gold, that I just could buy in anything in shop.-A bit more healing items please.-I didn't know there were random encounters, until I was fucking around after finishing demo. They could be a bit more frequent.-I also don't know if there is anything resembling genocide. On second playthrough, I killed many, got to 6th lvl before Pastra, and still didn't see any sign that it exist in current state. -I shitted on Baki earlier, but the Snake Lady coming out of the shop after shadow box training is kinda neat, wouldn't mind that later with other npcs. Their designs are good too.-Platforming is meh, mainly because you can't stop your horizontal momentum.-The weakest part for me was enviroment. It's not empty, but it is lacking, altough those are caves so it will probably change later.In your language, this soup is well seasoned, but it lacks some substance to fully saturate.
>>4015759>They could be a bit more frequent.i gotta disagree with this one, it has enough random encounters
I didn't realize /vrpg/ was this slow. There is probably no use in waiting for the next threadHere are the Zartlet drawings with the legs length fixed, she should be more balanced nowhttps://files.catbox.moe/aq8efu.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/rva38x.png>>4015504I played every BN game minus the phone games before I went through Shanghai and my knowledge of Touhou is that Reimu, Marisa and Cirno are characters that exist. It's definitely worth playing if you're into the BN series.
Its funny how toby fox made Blue deltarune and Yellow deltarune gay for each other when most of the fandom would agree that Clover would magdump the Blue Soul human if they ever faced each other
>>4015816Yeah, threads here still have over a week of life left when they reach page 10. Nice art though
>>4013757>Ceroba gets all the piss shit fart pics>Martlet gets all the hot beach picsWhat the fuck man
>>4015754Awesome, I'm really glad the edits worked for both of us. Thank you very much, again, for sending your suggestions to me, and for reading the second time. And for the compliments, too. I will fix the quotation error in the Ao3 version.>>4015591Wait, I'm intending to take this to Ao3, so that would be the final link. I need to get my head screwed on straight, lol.
>>4015821>most of the fandom would agree that Clover would magdump the Blue Soul human if they ever faced each otherMost of the fandom haven’t even played UTY, and Clover could be interpreted as also being concerned for the Blue Soul’s disappearance as well as the other Souls. Neutral and especially Genocide Clover I think would be more sympathetic towards the Blue Soul
>>4015816We should be having a thread on /v/ today
>>4015816I think her shins (that's below the knees) need to be longer still.
>>4015623while I have my own misgivings with chapter 5(suselle is the worst written relationship I have seen in a long time), I have long learned to not really give a damn for the endless meltdowns of anons here and elsewhere on the site.>>4015624Freddy Got Fingered is novel too, that doesn't make it a good movie. They already started on a shaky foundation with it being a shitpost game they tried turning into a serious story. With the revelations that game from 3&4, that foundation went from shaky to being made of dust.An anon already posted his own playthough/review of it several weeks ago and while the mechanics of the game were fairly good, the writing left a lot to be desired.I don't understand this frankly reddited need to validate everything ever made, no matter the quality.
>>4015830I'd even argue that pacifist clover can be sympathetic to integrity even if he judges what she did as wrong. If he was willing to forgive ceroba based on circumstances then I think he could apply that to tegridy as well.
>>4015831Speaking of that, I know it was said recently that we have a bit of dysfunction when it comes to making threads. I've never made one before, but I could try it out. I saw this last night when I was browsing reddit for UTY fanart:https://youtu.be/Uy9ZjGkySio?si=kJe_si3E6_K7T1QdWould Golden Hues make for a good thread topic, or should it be a general fangames thread? I haven't seen anyone talking about it.
>>4015841To be honest golden hues would be fantastic in my opinion, with maybe some extra text about mods and changes for fangamesI did mention that coming out but I didn't refer to it by name. Im looking forward to my next yeller playthrough
>>4015759Hey, thanks for taking your time with playing the demo and giving your thoughts on it.>I didn't expect it's primary inspiration to be Baki of all things. I have very mixed feelings on that series and I hope UTN wouldn't try to be just that.I've taken inspiration from many sources, another inspiration was LISA The Painful, the combo system might remind you of it in case you played that game, as for the Baki stuff, I just think it works because of how different both series are, Baki is as over the top a martial arts story can get without introducing a magic system (not counting what happens later), it goes really well with Val as a character.>Starting game from falling section is kinda badass, but like DRY it kinda goes with it a bit too long to keep interest. I would add falling rocks to give some density to this section.Alright, I can add more decorations, the game is generally lacking in that aspect, I did consider the section might be too long, but I decided to keep it anyway since you can actually skip it by losing all HP, beating this section without dying rewards you with an item that currently serves no purpose.-I didn't like fighting tutorial much, as it dumps you with a lot of info. I know the battle system is much more complex than UTSo far I remember most if not all anons thinking the tutorial was fine, the real info dump comes later with the written tips, that's something I'm looking to improve, I don't think I'll be making much changes to the tutorial tho.>The fighting itself is fun once you get hang of it, altough 2 types of enemies outside of Pastra is very little The full demo will have more enemy types, but don't expect the variety to be as big as it is on Deltarune, I'm aiming for something closer to UTY/Undertale.>+They give very little gold, that I just could buy in anything in shop.I can see the low amount of gold being a problem yeah, maybe I should lower the price of all the items and make the equipment less expensive.
>>4015759>>4015866>-A bit more healing items please.I added 3 free healing items in the last version (the one on the archive), if this is about needing to heal between overworld rooms, I already added a new room with a save point before the shop, it will be on the full demo, I'm trying to rebalance the overworld obstacles.>I didn't know there were random encounters, until I was fucking around after finishing demo.Really? The first room with multiple written tips is meant to always result in a random encounter if you read all the tips, that's why they are so apart from each other>genocide.There isn't, there will be one in the full demo, but this one was just meant to show the gameplay features so I could rework them as needed.>I shitted on Baki earlier, but the Snake Lady coming out of the shop after shadow box training is kinda neat, wouldn't mind that later with other npcs.That might become a running gag whenever you use the train option in a room with NPCs.>Platforming is meh, mainly because you can't stop your horizontal momentum.Is this about ground movement or aerial movement? Because the horizontal momentum not stopping after you jump while running is intentional, is meant to replicate the dash jump from Mega Man X. Besides that, I know I still need to come up with level gimmicks, more stage hazards and new mechanics too-The weakest part for me was enviroment. It's not empty, but it is lacking, altough those are caves so it will probably change later.An abandoned cave doesn't make for the most interesting environment, but I got some ideas on how to make it less dull, at least I can say the next areas have more going on. Also I think you're the first one to mention this, which is odd to me because this was one of the things I was the most dissatisfied with, I was expecting how the area looks to be a common complaint, then again this is an equivalent to the ruins and the ruins don't have much going on themselves besides Toriel's house.
>>4015841>>4015847Thread's up.Look for Starlo.
>>4015872gone?
>>4015878nvm am idiot
>>4015833>Freddy Got Fingered is novel too, that doesn't make it a good movie.This anon lacks whimsy
What kind of Wholesome and Kinky stuff would Clover and Kanako get up to if she was actually just determination-imbued monster goop but didnt become Amalgamated (Amalgamates are just what happened when DT overdosed monsters melt into and fuse with each other, and Isolated monster going through the process without being fused should be called something else desu
>>4015925Adult Clover is actually more spooky here desu, he's slowly transforming into Yellow.
>>4015904Is eating shit also whimsical?
>>4015930sausageless fingers typed this post
>>4015925Someone get Kanako away from that imposter
Had no idea about this thread, hello people that are still around
>>4015957There's a fangame thread up on /v/ right now. We try to keep the activity there on weekends.
>>4015958Ah, thanks for the heads up
I wonder if he waits to delete us last on purpose.
Ah hell, looks like they got that one.So, we going into overtime?
>>4015925Even though I do firmly believe that the flowers and humans intentionally have vague similarities at best, I find it hilarious to see an older Clover looking like Yellow.
Hey, to whoever it was I was making those KH track recommendations to, which one was your favorite of the ones I suggested?I'm honestly just curious, we don't have to continue that too much in here.
>>4015961It was just because the deltafags ran to that thread and took over it at the end
I see you guys got caught in the janny's wrath too. Oh well, better to suffer together, right?
>>4015966Not if we wouldn't have to suffer otherwise.
>>4015964The Other Promise. Its really good.Though as I said, I still like the film scores better, like the theme to the 1974 Murder on The Orient Express.
>>4015968>The Other Promise. Its really good.Nice.>Though as I said, I still like the film scores better, like the theme to the 1974 Murder on The Orient Express.Fair enough, I'll check it out in a sec.
>>4015966No ill will, but if you want to discuss Deltarune, there's a dedicated thread for that on this board. This thread is only for fangame discussion.
>how should I moderate a dying image board?>of course, I'll kill the single most engaged community there
So are we just gonna make a new thread tomorrow then, or are we trying again tonight?
>>4015962of course
>>4015965I think he did that specifically to instigate drama and start a feud between the threads. So people would blame them instead of him.
Someone asked if Quetzali has a maskless sprite in feral formI think she desn't, in my current state I can't check my computer, sorry
That looked like a good thread, I was looking forward to going back and reading it when time freed up. Video games are not allowed apparently
>>4015979I'm that someone, and it's alright.Do you happen to know if the mask is *required* for her to be in her "feral" form, or is it optional?
>>4015979She had a maskless sprite in the demo, and that's the one everyone thinks is feral.
>>4015982>>4015983I'm naranja anon, I'm justsaying that I don't remember if I drew her with mask or not, bjt think about it I think I never did, its fine if you draw here without the mask in that form
>>4015984Ah, I see.Right, thanks then.
>>4015972I still love the bit of Tenna saluting in the "Unpaid and never gets laid" box
>have to [WAIT] to repost my greentextHe's the fag...
>>4015997Couldn't you repost it here?
I wonder if it was the Sadie exposure greentext or the anti-janny posts that set him off. At least we got some good content out of that thread. Are you going to repost the greentext here?
>>4016006I feel like it was the anti-janny posting that did it, that makes more sense.
>>4015999>>4016006I could, but some people don't pop up here
>>4016013There's nothing stopping you from also reposting it in the next /v/, whenever that is.
>>4016016probably what I'll do
I'll repost the Soulbound Minecraft mod since it genuinely looks impressive. I wish it was made in Vintage Story, Lay of the Land or Hypixel, since I have no intention of ever returning to Minecraft.https://youtu.be/dtEhqd60qSAAlso, I finished watching that "Fighting the Moon" fangame playthrough. Props to the creator for all those unique attacks, but it's a marathon of a fight. The writing is also contrived to nobody's surprise.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeqLI8KwjCA
>>4016023>The writing is also contrived to nobody's surprise.It seems like the whole thing was just a shitpost fangame anyways, so its not like it had to be anything special in that department.
>>4015997>i'll not post my greentext in this thread because it's dead even though there's people here and it might bring more people herekek, just post it
>>4016028I don't blame him for not wanting to post it right now, barely anyone's around to see it.
>>4016013I might be strange in that I check this thread semi-regularly, but don't go on the /v/ threads. I don't know if anyone else does this.
I was digging through the archives, looking at some old posts about certain things about Reynault, while also re-reading Weaver's "post-mortem" on Red that he posted on FA, and I swear, I audibly said "Oh, shit" when something spontaneously clicked for me about one post in particular back in the archives.Either I'm schizophrenic, or I just figured something out.Either way, I don't like what I see.
>>4016064Impressive vagueness. Very nice
>>4016065I'm not saying anything he won't say directly, figure I won't ruin the surprise, at least for anyone not as interested in information as I am.Just in case.
The Wiki "Polynesian sex" drawing is done.I'll post it later, tired now.Goodnight.
Guys, I totally have the plot figured out. But I won't tell you because I'm too benevolent.
>>4016083I never claimed to be benevolent, go figure out what I'm talking about yourself.Dummy.
>>4016083I also know what this guy knows, but I won't tell you because it's too horrible
>>4016079Rest well anon.
>>4016083I kneel
>>4016064Damn it, now I'm curious which post you're talking about.
fair warning to the anons wanting to re-do a thread; seems like it isn't a janny but a very, very ANGRY global moderator that's been attacking threads. One of the Deltarune threads got locked, not autosaged but LOCKED, and every poster got a warning. I personally caught a 3-day vacay.
>>4016137yeah thats been known for a while, same thing happened last year.
>>4016137We know
>>4016140>>4016142oh ok
>>4016140>>4016142Sorta newfag here but what does locking a thread do?
>>4016176prevents new posts from being made but doesnt delete the thread, so it still has to fall off naturally.locked threads are used as a "header" for some boards (see >>>/c/4406487), and only global moderators can make them because there's little reason to lock a thread otherwise.
>>4016178Why lock it though instead of just deleting the thread? To send a message?
>>4016186yeah. bad move on his part though because it both wont work in the long run and only outs a global moderator as a whiny baby that cant handle vidya discussion on /v/
>>4016186They probably just fat fingered it
>>4016186I would assume so. Only mods have the power to ban people. He probably did that to threaten bans for anyone making Deltarune threads.
>>4016133It was this one, the end of it.Admittedly, I might not have realized what I saw, without that other post saying the same thing.Once is a joke, twice is a coincidence, but now I've lost count.
>>4016186yeah, standard course of action for a powertripping zogbot
>>4016137Think I got hit too
>>4016213>Racter's evil cousin Redacter
So anons, is anyone working on something this night? I'm slowly chipping away at a pic that will feature Orange, alongside another vidya mouse and an oc of mine. What about y'all?
>>4016227I finished the drawing I was working on last night, but I was hoping for a new /v/ in which to post it.
>>4016230That might be a tad too volatile right now, with the trigger bans and warnings. Also you are talking about the Wiki pic, right?
Hey Yagifag, would you kindly not be a nuisance in the DR threads
>>4016233>That might be a tad too volatile right now, with the trigger bans and warnings.Perhaps, but I'll wait anyway, at least until more people are around.>Also you are talking about the Wiki pic, right?Yes.
Might repost the green text here then and then repost again when/if the janny stops sneeding
For anybody who knows about it, how do you guys feel about The Twisted Route mod? It’s been in development for months and personally, I can’t help be intrigued since I love the WR + it seems to emphasize more standard JRPG combat https://gamebanana.com/wips/97932
>>4016213>>4016223Can't wait for Redacter to become the new Woody
>>4016244I'll make a thread here pretty soon even if we're at risk of bullshit happening. Video games have a god damn right to be discussed on the video game board. Fuck eceleb posts and FUCK twitter posts.
>>4016249>Fuck eceleb posts and FUCK twitter posts.Fuck this 24/7 internet spew of twitter and eceleb bullshit!Fuck all of it!
>>4016227Gonna do some fic reading today and we'll see where things go from there.
>>4016249>hereI assume you mean /v/, because we already have a thread here on /vrpg/.
>>4016227palworld has consumed my life and I barely sleep nowso progress has been stalled until I get over it
>>4016246What's it about?
Finally got around to updating the fangames archive, sorry for the delay. Would like some feedback on a couple things:- Since people often ask what the fan projects here are about, I added a brief description to each. Is this a good idea, and is there anything I should change about any of them?- Catbox recently introduced a policy change wherein files that have not been accessed for two years are effectively deleted. Should I change anything about how I've been archiving?https://blog.catbox.moe/post/821058172332769280/removing-idle-uploads
>>4016234Could you maybe be a little more specific who you're talking about?That title could technically apply to like 20 people here.Maybe just not bring it up at all?
>>4016227I'm still in too much pain to focus on my project, but at least I'm feeling better than yesterday
>>4016256From a quick glimpse at that page, seems to be an edgy epic genoslide route that people thought would be what the weird route was going to be
>>4016252Hope you find something good to read.>>4016255Thought about getting it myself but not sure how much I would actually play it. I've personally been playing White knuckle lately.>>4016264Hope you feel better soon anon. Got any meds for that?
>>4016261The retard who prattles that Yagi was actually made by some kid on tumblr despite every attempt to traceback that claim turning up nothing. Or at least nothing to do with Undertale.
>>4016274hey buddy, I think the yagi stuff is cringe, but no one was talking about it here, and literally one post with almost no engagement on your dr thread. you sound like you just want to start up argument for no reason.
>>4016271>Hope you feel better soon anon. Got any meds for that?Thanks, I took some different meds yesterday that finally helped a bit with the pain, and I have an appointment at the hospital tomorrow, at least I can say this is just the third most painful experience I had while making this project, so this isn't anything new.
>>4016274Well, it still doesn't narrow it down if we're talking people who don't think he's someone made up by people on 4chan that's a lot of people.Go complain somewhere else, or get your thoughts in order.
>>4016279Why have we not been able to trace it back, anon? >>4015174
>>4016281I'm not interested in your weird issues with him, go be upset with someone else.
A deltarune thread survived into bump limit just now. Should we try again?
>>4016227Currently busy with some IRL duties now. I wanna go back to my stuff during the week.
>>4016285I'm up for a new thread, give it a shot
>>4016287>>>/v/743194242bread bakedif you don't hear from me ever again, double his salary
>>4016289>noticed the canon threads got pruned just nowSHIT SHIT SHIT I'M FUCKED I'M FU-
>>4016291* janny's LV increased
>>4015949its just yellow deltarune larping as clover, the problem will solve itself eventually
>>4016294Kanako sleeping with yellow thinking that it is clover...
>>4016276Well regardless, hope the pain and issues pass.>>4016286Don't forget to take care of yourself as well anon.
>>4016259>https://blog.catbox.moe/post/821058172332769280/removing-idle-uploadsAs long as someone here remembers to dowload the files every year, nothing should change much
>>4016259Maybe you should back it all up on a second site, like archive.org. You could just use it as a general purpose archive for old versions of the fangames. It doesn't have to get updated often, just often enough to include the old stuff if people need an old version for whatever reason.
>>4016259you should archive it in THE popular web archive site instead of catbox which will delete your stuff
to the anon that posted the green, I'm still reading through it even if jannies are scum.
Maybe it was the green that janny-san hated so much
>Thread dead alreadyIs that sub human global mod still in action?
Well, that sucks.Are we trying again, or are we calling it here for the weekend?
I'm gonna post what I had ready for the green here>>743201328I'll admit that the the love triangle aproach is unique for a greentext, since everyone here hates anything resembling NTR, this one felt like a porn plot that managed to turn into a (somehwat) wholesome friendly interaction
Jannie hates Sadie
>>4016334give me sometime
>>4016334>>4016340Gizmo already wants to discuss fangames
Posting here for anyone not in the /v/, here's the finished Wiki "Polynesian sex" piece: https://files.catbox.moe/qmx7nb.pngOne anon mentioned it, and I actually agree, another angle probably would've worked a bit better for the idea of "Polynesian sex" specifically as opposed to just looking like normal sex, but it is how it is, I might try the idea again sometime.If you have any criticisms, notes, or general thoughts on the image, I would be interested to hear them, even small things.As stated in the other thread, I am open to some request ideas, as I am nearing the end of my immediate priority stack, so I can take a few ideas if anyone has any they'd like me to consider.Please note that I will not draw any sexual topics that I have not either already drawn or expressed openness towards, and that I choose ideas based on how much I like them, so please refrain from "second"-ing other ideas.I hope this is enjoyable enough.
>>4016338what a faggot, anyway I'll put it here for now.>Cole could have been having a better day.>Granted, he's had worse, far worse.>But a new dark world in the abandoned spa, with Sadie, Gizmo, and...Melody, getting roped into this.>Its an interesting world, like a gloomy, old west desert with a religion surrounding the return of water.>Even found a town centered on a church of sorts.>Weird darkners even by Dark World standards, but they were kind enough.>The real problem came when they left the town.>A "bridge" if you could call it that, collapsed and left the whole group split up.>Kanako, Gizmo, and Melody wound up on one side, leaving Sadie and himself on the other.>Concerned as he was for Kanako, he figured Gizmo could keep her and Melody from killing each other.>Maybe.>Possibly.>Still, could be worse for him.>He made a quick glance at Sadie following close behind.>She was clad in his yellow poncho...and little else.>Cole honestly still couldn't believe how it happened.>It wasn't long into their trek around the ravine that they encountered a hostile darkner.>Opuntion hops in!
>>4016344>Check.>AT: 12 DF: 13 This clerical-cacti prefers curses to blessings.>Cole and Sadie attempt acupuncture.>The bunny darkner lets loose a joyful cackle.>"Blessings are so boring!">The soul dodges most of the needles with ease, but one manages to clip Sadie.>Sadie became cursed!>"That can't be good..." muttered Sadie.>Cole just nodded in agreement, readying the lasso.>Risky as it was to try without damaging the enemy, he didn't want to find out what "cursed" meant.>He took aim, made a small prayer, and threw.>Opuntion did little more than dance, giggling with hidden knowledge as the loop took hold.>Bullseye.>As the lasso wrapped around the cactus, it threw one last needle flurry at the pair>Cole dodged it once more, but a couple flew for Sadie as she braced for impact.>BANG!>Dust enveloped the battlefield as the darkner vanished with the lasso, laughing a trickster's laugh.>As the dust cleared, the haze in Cole's eyes vanished.>He turned to check on Sadie, only for his breath to hitch in his throat.>Sadie was okay, seemingly unconscious but otherwise unharmed.>Her outfit on the other hand...>Part of the collar of her coat was intact, along with that weird tiara, but everything from the chest down had been reduced to shreds, if even that remained.>They were big.>He didn't know sizes of the top of his head, he just knew they were big.>Either he was more oblivious to these things than he thought or that sweater was pulling double-time with her bra.>He already knew her body was segmented, or he figured as much from her hands and abdomen, but it was kinda cool to see how it was the same across her whole body.>His eyes continued to wander down her torso, guided by the contours of her figure.>Smooth, hard carapace broken up by joint lines or soft tissue.>Like the puffy lips nestled between her legs.>Cole could neither blink nor breathe.>The first time he'd seen one, at least in real life anyw->"Owwww..."
>>4016345>Sadie's voice hit like a kick square to the stomach.>Inky black shame welled up in him as he spun around to look away.>This was his friend, this was one of his best friends whom he'd known since childhood.>He shouldn't be seeing her like this, he shouldn't be looking at her like this.>He shouldn't be looking at those parts of her, and yet.>"That actually kinda hurt.">Has she really not noticed yet?>"...Cole, you're shaking, did you get hit too?">Her voice is full of concern.>"Its alright, I'm not that beat up, just a bit-">She paused, and let out a yelp.>Guess she noticed now.>"Wha...WHAT HAPPENED!?">Cole had no real answer, save for a hunch based on the battle.>"I uh, I suppose that an effect of...getting cursed by that thing.">His pants felt uncomfortably tight.>"My clothes just shred off if I get hit!?">Cole didn't know what to say, the image of Sadie's figure still fresh in his mind.>She needed something to wear.>Without turning around, he begins removing his poncho.>"Here, I don't know how much this will cover.">She grabs it out of his hand without hesitation.>He thinks of Kanako, her fluffy tail, Gizmo prattling about high-scores, anything to purge the idea of his friend's nudity from his head.>It didn't really work.>"Well it'll have to do, you can turn around now if you want.">Cole hesitantly turns to face her once more.>Sadie stands before him, blushing profusely and looking away.>Thank the Angel she was shorter than him, the poncho went a good foot past her waist.>She was seemingly covering herself regardless.>The silence between them was deafening.>"I think...we should continue on, the townsfolk said something about a merchant up ahead who sells armor.">She hesitantly meets his eyes, and nods in agreement.>Thus onward they marched.
>>4016341Are you sure?
>>4016346>Sadie was not having the best day.>This dark world stuff still irked her.>The Outlaw never gave her any indication this all factored into whatever it was planning.>It was firm, but secretive in what it wanted, "Put this object in this place at this time, and nothing will happen to your siblings.">Even with the explanation Cole and Kanako provided, it all seems too fantastic.>A new world, real magic, and strange creatures formed from whatever stuff was lying around.>And now here she was, cursed by a one of those creatures.>Nude as the day she metamorphized.>Covered only by her hands and the donated poncho of her friend.>One of her best friends, whom she'd known since he first arrived in Eastwoods.>The human boy who had grown into a decent(and handsome) young man.>Who had probably seen her without any clothes on.>"Cole, can I ask you something?">She had to know.>"Hm," he shot a glance back at her.>She wouldn't blame him.>"How much did you see?"
>>4016347Pruned at 0 posts despite breaking 0 rules
>>4016345Why did a cactus delete Sadie's clothes?
>>4016347Fucking nigger mod, he already deleted the threadDoesn't matter, I'll try one again soon, they can't kill videogame discussion no matter how hard they try
>>4016348>Cole stopped dead in his tracks.>"Just...be honest, I'm not going to judge.">The human hesitated before turning to face her, looking down at the sandy ground.>He stood still, his hands subtly shaking.>"I uh...saw everything." He admitted.>Her blush returned as her antennae twitched.>"Your chest, your...pride, I'm ashamed to admit I got a good look at it all before you came to.">Cole still couldn't meet her gaze.>Her heart skipped a beat.>He had actually seen her completely nude, uncovered, without guard.>Sadie should be feeling embarassment, shame, and sure there was some of that when she initially realized but...>Relief of all things flowed through her.>Kanako had seen her nude and while that felt natural, it wasn't anything like this.>Why was she ok with this, why was she almost comforted by the fact that Cole had seen her?>Her abdomen twitched.>She let out a nervous giggle.>"I...suppose I should be grateful it was you and not Gizmo, thank you.">He actually met her eyes now, a somewhat perplexed look on his face.>"What for exactly?">"Well, for one, the obvious," Sadie said, flapping part of the poncho, "and two, for not lying to me.">Cole did that adorable tipping his hat bit, "Sadie, I don't think I've lied to you before, and I sure as hell ain't gonna start now.">Always the honorable gentleman cowboy.>A more playful giggle escaped her lips.>"Alright then, 'Mortimer' lets go.">At that, Cole turned on his heels and took the lead once more, with his buggy companion following close behind.>Sadie covered herself once more, hands hiding her moistened slit.>A burning desire rose within her, made worse by her nudity.>She really hoped that shopkeep was close.Look up "bunny cactus" if you want the object Opuntion is based on.
>>4016351one has to wonder why the moderation on this site is so adamantly against natural video game discussion but lets constant twitter rage bait threads exists around the clock.
>>4016343It's good stuff anon, I hope you got to see my gratitude before the thread was fugged.>One anon mentioned it, and I actually agree, another angle probably would've worked a bit better for the idea of "Polynesian sex" specifically as opposed to just looking like normal sex, but it is how it is, I might try the idea again sometime.I can definitely see that but it's still a nice piece.
>>4016351>You still... don't get it!>Nothing is stronger... than an anon's thread!
>>4016352And that is the end of that. I'll stop trying to repost it in the /v/ threads once the fag(B A N N I N G) stops seething.I thank you for reading if you chose to.
>>4016356sorry to see that mods are being faggots when you want to get around to making something. I'm gonna get to reading it here soon.
>>4016354>It's good stuff anon, I hope you got to see my gratitude before the thread was fugged.I think I might've, was it the first reply it had?In any event, I'm glad you like it, even if I probably could've done better to match the tone of the original green.
>>4016352I still don't get, why would a bunny cactus delete her clothes? I only know that it's needles are a pain to remove
>>4016350>>4016359because dark world curse nonsense. I actually couldn't think of anything else for the darkner so my brain went "bunny cactus" and tried to go from there. She's like a cleric or nun, hence the curses and blessings.
To the anon who had asked for Quetzali "constricting" an anon's tongue, I was actually already planning on drawing something along those lines as a quicker sketch image, so I'm just going to roll that idea into what I was already doing, if you don't mind.As for the other requests, the Luzma handholding one, and the one with Val and Orange, are currently being considered, but I will wait until/if I see any other ideas before deciding completely.
>>4016353trying to burn the site down for insurance money
>>4016355Only the most VALiant anons can DISCUSS videogames
>>4016355Imagine this but with the knight replaced with a jannie
Okay, maybe that was my fault, I'll give that a rest.
>>4016355>>4016364>>4016365https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j34LdVdZnssFuck that retarded mod
>>4016367What'd you do?
>>4016369Posted my drawing.Probably what gave us away.
>>4016362I also had that as an idea quite a while ago. Guess that's how constriction goes I guess...Imagine that Quetzali constricts your tongue, and you think that she would eventually let you go so you two could both breathe again. But then she just doesn't stop. Instead what she does is she starts breathing through her gills that she gained in her snake form, continuing to constrict2 you
>>4016367>>4016369If no one minds, I'm gonna try again in maybe an hour
>>4016371Well, I'm not as much into actual asphyxiation, but I do like deep kissing like that.But yeah, I thought I'd do something relatively quick with a similar idea, though I guess now I'll have to make more of their tongues visible.
>>4016371>Instead what she does is she starts breathing through her gills that she gained in her snake form>gills It's called a glotisI never gave much attention to constriction with Quetzali, even if I think that would feel nice, her long fangs make me think more of bitting and bitting her back, since that's something snakes do during mating
>>4016372Alright, sounds good.I'll probably refrain from posting my drawing until the thread gets further along or passes the bump limit or something.
>>4016372What's this image from?
>>4016376Jujutsu KaisenThe characters are discussing in which order everyone should fight the final boss
>>4016373But you won't asphyxiate, she would do mouth to mouth active ventilation keeping you both from suffocating>>4016374>It's called glotisNot really since that's a tube that lets a snake breathe while eating. She still wouldn't be able to breathe if she is kissing someone else.Since she is a monster, it would be cool if her snake form had actual gills
>>4016384>, it would be cool if her snake form had actual gillsWhy would a snake have gills?
>>4016387>it would be cool
>>4016387Maybe one of her ancestors was a fish
>>4016384>But you won't asphyxiate, she would do mouth to mouth active ventilation keeping you both from suffocatingHm.I still just think that would be a little uncomfortable, at least to start with, and it would still definitely be a little restrictive.Could she at least take things slow, ease me into it?I can handle a lot, but I already have issues breathing sometimes, and I'd rather not black out on her.
>>4016384Quetzali having gills makes no thematic sense, but I won't crush an anon's dream
>>4016392Maybe she simply hasn't noticed she shouldn't be able to breathe like that, so she just can anyway.
>>4016388>>4016389I think that would be. The snakes should be snakes and the fish should be fish.
On the topic of Quetzali, seeing again her wings in snake form made me think that the white parts of her body could be feathers and not scales, I'm not sure which way I prefer it
>>4016395You're a fish.
>>4016396I thought the red bits were feathers and the white parts were scales.
>>4016387Somewhere in her line was a fish monster, and her dormant genes were revealed in the snake form.Or her ancestor was so disgusted by the appearance of "glotis" so their offspring had gills instead. Like Monster Kid's ancestor that thought that arms were lame anyway so their offspring was born without them.
>>4016395>The snake should be snakes and the fish should be fishA monster purist I see... What is your opinion on Starlo?
I wonder why the fags running this place are so extra mad today anyway? It hasn't been this bad in a while.
>>4016343Oh, I asked this already in the thread that was deleted, but could whoever it is that uploads my stuff to esix for me sometimes handle this one as well?I'm tired at the moment and think I'm gonna need to lay down for a bit, so I'd appreciate it.
>>4016343It's a very touching scene, and probably my favorite piece of art that you've made. I know the frontal angle isn't easy to work with but you did great here. Love her thin but toned body. Well done!>>4016352I was gonna wait until you reposted it before commenting. Embarrassed nude exposure is an underrated NSFW topic and I like how you handled their embarrassment while Cole keeps trying to stay honorable. Probably nothing compared to Melody, Gizmo and Kanako encountering Opuntion. The idea of a darkner who targets armor or items instead of health is interesting.Why did she call Cole Mortimer?
>>4016392>What is a sea serpent
>>4016396>>4016399>I thought the red bits were feathers and the white parts were scalesThat's the intended way of viewing her sprite, the thing is that I followed the suggestion of making her sprite less red, so I made the wings white like in that fanart from Oldentale anon, I liked the end result. You could say that in snake form her wings do have white feathers but the rest of her body still has white scales.
>>4016407Not feathered snakes, that's for sure! Unless Quetzali just has features from every type of snake, which would explain her having both, a constrictor body and long fangs like a venomous snake.
>>4016352>>4016348>>4016346>>4016345>>4016344was a bit silly but I liked it. Sadie is of course, a cutie and she acted cute about the whole situation. I liked also as a side note, how the enemys turn start dialogue was a thing in there.
>>4016403He's Starlo, he's alright.
>>4016400>Like Monster Kid's ancestor that thought that arms were lame anyway so their offspring was born without them.I appreciate that this headcanon stuck around.
>>4016413But he is a stellar rock/sunflower plant hybrid? Hypocrisy?
>>4016408I figured she had red scales and red feathers. Also I suggested making her more red, because all the white on her body made her look like a worm.
>>4016415I want monsters to only have the traits they're billed as having. Starlo isn't a specific thing, he's Starlo, so all he needs are Starlo traits. Quetzali is a winged serpent, so she should have winged serpent traits.
>>4016415Both of his parents are space themed monsters, so they share something in common, Starlo would be clasified as such under monster taxonomy
>>4016419>Ceroba>Based on Cerberus>Doesn't have Cerberus traits
>>4016406>It's a very touching scene, and probably my favorite piece of art that you've made.Thank you, I'm very glad you enjoyed it.Also, sidenote, you wouldn't happen to be a particular anon, would you? That second bit there just gave me a certain impression, want to be sure of something.>I know the frontal angle isn't easy to work with but you did great here.Yes, I was worried about that while working on it, but it seems I handled it well enough, which is nice.>Love her thin but toned body.Yes, I remember hearing she's supposed to be rather thin, but strong, and I like to try and adhere to these sorts of details as best I can.
>>4016423Her name might be, but her actual character isn't.
>>4016417>Also I suggested making her more red, because all the white on her body made her look like a worm.I think the lack of patterns in the white parts is what made her look more like a worm, not that she just wasn't red enough.
>>4016425>Undyne>Based on a fish>Has lungs instead of gills
>>4016423>>4016425Whenever someone brings up the cerberus thing I can't tell if they are memeing or not, since that was just a shitpost from here
>>4016428Wasn't it confirmed by the devs?The joke was about her being a coyote, I never heard anyone jokingly call her a Cerberus
there's a pair of aura farmers on the other place, they might job to the page 10 without our help
>>4016426The white definitely contributed a lot to the worminess. Two tone is a snake look.
>>4016429>Wasn't it confirmed by the devs?No, it was just a shitpost about her being dumb because she was born with a single head or something like that, the coyote joke also came from here
>>4016430Cool, I'll refrain from posting my drawing there for a while this time, seems that's what sunk it the previous time.
>>4016424I'm the MartletxAnon writer (the lazy one)
>>4016434NTA but I am once again, sending you some of my spirit bomb energy in the hopes that we see more of that one day.>(the lazy one)as if I'm any grander. We get to things when we can but I'm still going to poke and prod you over it because I neeed it
>>4016434>MartletxAnon writer (the lazy one)Oh, I-I actually don't know if that narrows it down any for me, but I'll assume you aren't the librarby anon, based on how you describe yourself. Maybe.Anyway, thanks, it's always nice seeing someone enjoy something new of mine, as opposed to something ancient.
>>4016427She probably has both, like a lungfish.
Oh hey, Oldentale anon, if you're around and don't mind me asking, what'd you think of the drawing?
If your greentext is more than one post long it shouldn't be a greentext and you should just write a real story
>>4016446sounds arbitrary
No fun allowed, thread is dead already, looks like we will have to wait until that mod gets over his mental breakdown
>>4016450He really had to look through the whole catalog to find our thread just so he can delete it
>>4016448A little, but it is kind of in the spirit of original green texts that you'd have to fit them in one post.To be respectful of the image limit, please imagine an annoyed reaction image accompanying this post because I had made a well thought out post about the fun in fan works and how technically arbitrary everything is, and the joy of creation itself being worth pursuing over on /v/ only for the thread to have been delorted.I don't really have any preference for any particular face for you to imagine, it's up to you.I just would like to save space for other people since the thread's already past 100 images.
we are making a thread on monday, right?
>>4016452>A little, but it is kind of in the spirit of original green texts that you'd have to fit them in one post.not really, there were multiple post greentexts around before people started doing that annoying ">be me" thing that cropped up all those years ago.>To be respectful of the image limit,>I just would like to save space for other people since the thread's already past 100 images.multi post greens don't have to have an image for every post (though I personally do if it's posted on /v/ since we don't usually hit image limit there anyways).I'm calling it arbitrary because it's self imposed and not based on any actual history or anything.I do think however, if you make a story longer you should shift from line by line format to proper paragraphs to make it easier to read, but that's personal preference at the end of the day.
>>4016455>multi post greens don't have to have an image for every postActually every word in my post would have fit in one post, and really, you can get most of the gist of it from the post you're replying to.Whether or not multi-post greens do or don't require an image to accompany each is totally unrelated.I'm strictly not posting an image, here, to save on the image limit for people making images to share specifically rather than using it for reaction images as a courtesy.
>>4016456>Actually every word in my post would have fit in one post,I'm not saying it wouldn't. I just assumed with how in detail you went about it that you were drawing a parallel to the last green that was posted.Then here I just stand at the original statement. your desire for greens to only be one post long is arbitrarily limiting for no good reason.
>>4016439Its alright, not quite to my tastes as far as porn goes.
>>4016458I'm saying it'd be in the spirit of them to make them one post long.There aren't really any rules saying how many posts you have to make them, and pursuing writing as a creative outlet is worth it on its own merit even if you fail to meet some arbitrary specifications for some category you're making your work for.
>>4016446I think one post is too small to be the upper limit, but if you're having to split it into more than three posts, then you probably should just use rentry.
>>4016460>I'm saying it'd be in the spirit of them to make them one post long.yes and I'm saying "the spirit of them" you're invoking here isn't really a thing. they've been anywhere from a few lines long to multiple essays since this site was a thing.
>>4016459Ah, fair enough, I appreciate you taking a look anyway.Mildly surprised you didn't have some kind of joke or jab to make about it though, thought that would've been par for the course.
>>4016462I mean it's a "rule" that's been dead since like 2009.That's my point. You can choose to tackle it as a creative exercise if you want, but getting hung up on that instead of making anything altogether is pointless and silly.As is unnecessary pedantry.
>>4016466>As is unnecessary pedantry.I'm not being pedantic, I'm saying I disagree with your view and also saying your reason for your view is arbitrary and groundless.I agree that ultimately creating something at all is most important of course.
>>4016467>I'm not being pedanticYou are, you're also agreeing with me and I'm not going to enable you to be silly anymore.
>>4016468Right, not sure what you wanted to accomplish there but have a good nightI still disagree with your original post but it doesn't matter if you want to be a goofball
>>4016450As much as I'd like us to keep posting threads to prove he can't keep us down, getting into a war with a pissy mod is just going to drag down thread health (see the /v/ deltarune threads), so its probably better just to wait this one out.
>>4016471I got warned for making a "general" even though we havent had a thread in a week, and it was really tempting to keep going out of spite. But you're probably right. For now
>>4016468He may be pedantic, but he's right.
>>4016446Normal prose really isn't my strength.There is something simply pleasant to me with the way greentext presents information compared to other formats.
>>4016404My honest guess? Banny Janny bitched long and persistently enough in the discord to involve global moderators. seems to be asleep now but I guarantee it'll be back on the catalog with bloodshot eyes. It even hallucinated hard enough to ban an earthbound thread
>>4016480I think it's just a janny tonight. nothing but warnings handed out far as I can see (warnings that are incorrectly labeling a thread made weekly as a general).These people hate this website more than offsite people could ever hope to.
>>4016481fickle motherfuckers. think they're checking 4stats to prune the threads, as the Live-A-Live stealth thread was slow enough to plod to bump limit
>>4016482Hate that this nonsense is happening to the threads this week. There was also a new thing posted by partners anon that got eaten up by I think the first thread of today. I can't imagine any mod or janny that's been here from the old days wanting to get rid of OC as badly as they do.>>4016437I was NTA but I am working on finally reading that story you wrote a little bit back. Started a bit later than I intended to, but It shall be done.
>>4016479NTA, but have you tried poetry of any variety? It's not my thing but it's a beautiful alternative to prose. Combining it with greentext would be...interesting.>>4016484It feels like every time there is a new hire of jannies they keep getting worse.
>>4016480Me personally I wonder if it has anything to do with That Thing getting bitched about more aggressively lately.
>>4016485>have you tried poetry of any variety?Hell no. Except for some jokey haikus. I don't even like poetry outside of song lyrics.Best way I could describe, is if poetry and greentexts were at the opposite ends of a horseshoe. So distant they start to become similar in some aspects.
>>4016485>Combining it with greentext would be...interesting.nta but honestly it could work. the staggered nature of most greentext posting could lend well to it. It would probably come off as a bit odd at first but that doesn't mean it wouldn't work.>It feels like every time there is a new hire of jannies they keep getting worse.There's two kinds of people who try to get a role like that. uncommonly, there are the people that genuinely want to make things better, but usually those types only exist when a community is strong enough to give them a reason to feel that attachment in the first place.then there's the types that want any kind of power, even fake power to make themselves feel better.>>4016487no not a chance.
>>4016489I don't know, they seemed really mad about That and it wouldn't be the first time either.Or the second.
>>4016484>I was NTA but I am working on finally reading that story you wrote a little bit back. >Started a bit later than I intended to, but It shall be done.Oh, cool, uh...Go easy on me, eh?
>>4016499>Go easy on me, eh?rip and tearnah I'm kidding, but I am typing up my thoughts on it now. I also did see and respond to your latest image, but I think you saw that before the thread was jannied.
>>4016502>rip and tearOh no!>nah I'm kiddingPhew.>but I am typing up my thoughts on it now.Thank you, I look forward to reading them while mentally strangling myself for having written something so bizarre as that story.>I also did see and respond to your latest image, but I think you saw that before the thread was jannied.Wasn't it the first response to it in the first thread I posted it in? If it wasn't that one, then I'm not sure which one it was.
>>4016504>Wasn't it the first response to it in the first thread I posted it in?oh actually it was, looks like I never closed that thread when in deleted. >Thank you, I look forward to reading them while mentally strangling myself for having written something so bizarre as that story.it's strange, but not anywhere near as much as I expected based on your disclaimer. I'll leave the rest for my full post on the matter but it's probably nothing that justifies feeling as such over it.
>>4016507>oh actually it was, looks like I never closed that thread when in deleted. Ah, yes, that one, I liked that one. I think I actually was typing up a reply to it just as the thread got purged, but I appreciate it anyway, I like it when people like my work.>it's strange, but not anywhere near as much as I expected based on your disclaimer.Yeah, I guess that's something of a running gag with me at this point, not understanding what is or isn't "that weird" to other people.Hm.>I'll leave the rest for my full post on the matter but it's probably nothing that justifies feeling as such over it.I must admit that I am mildly terrified at the prospect of there being so much to say on the matter though.Just a little.
>>4016509Overall impression is positive, but I hope you don't mind the feedbackIt wasn’t terrible to read, I do have some thoughts though. I wont begrudge you your fantasies and the self indulgence that comes with that, but it wasn’t as unsettling to read as the warning text you opened up with made me expect. The sensory deprivation is unnerving to me, but you wrote her as being into it and having a good time the whole way. I can see the vision even if it’s not my own vision. I can peer just behind the veil and see what makes this tick in a way and you communicated the intended “hotness” of the situation. I liked how she clearly couldn’t wait a moment longer than when he left the house and started snooping around, and I thought her finding it arousing that she’d been tricked and “made to submit” was not just a great callback but really fitting for the kind of scenario you were trying to run with here.There were a few moments that made me “look up and smirk at the author” like Ceroba going out of her way to comment on the size, but I mean hey well, you can already imagine the smug Ceroba image I’d want to post right now.There’s a few things I’d say you should give some thought. First is your formatting or structure. You start new line breaks in my opinion too frequently, and it affects the pace that the story happens in someone's head if that makes sense. You can of course use those line breaks to great effect, but there were a lot of lines where it felt like the line break was actually leading into a sentence that just followed casually and was part of the same stream of ideas, but since it jumps to a new line it’s kind of like there’s a dramatic change in thinking, like the ‘speaker’ pauses to take a deep breath and reset themselves, before continuing the paragraph as if nothing happened. Sorry if that’s a weird way of describing it but it think it would have a big impact on how your story reads.
>>4016513Second, when you have the earplugs go in, but then you describe that the machine makes more noise but she cant hear it? Personally I’d cut the mention of the noise but this is a call on your part. You’re writing in third person limited, and you can zoom that third person out as much as you want technically to justify that, but keeping the third person “close” for an erotic scene like this can give the reader a lot more of the impact, and anything you do to zoom out (like describing things the perspective character can’t perceive) will also take the reader away from that. You do a good job describing how everything is happening from her limited perspective, and that does a great job of selling the eroticism to someone who is receptive to what you’re selling so to speak, but when you step back and describe something Ceroba can’t possibly detect, it takes us away from the sensation of what Ceroba must be feeling right now. Don’t be afraid to close off her world and stick to only the sights, scents and tastes that she’s experiencing and nothing more until you’re ready to switch perspectives. If she has any sounds, think about what you “hear” when your hearing is blocked off. Her own internal sounds literally travelling through her body. I hope this doesn’t come across as a little nitpick for no reason, I think things like that could really enhance what you’re trying to show people in your writing.And lastly, I think it’s a missed opportunity when Ceroba tells anon “I want you”, for him to not respond in any way that shows how anon is feeling from Ceroba not only being way more into this than he expected, but desiring him that much. Feel free to disagree but I think that would heighten things a bit -personally-.
>>4016514I hope these suggestions don’t detract from what you did well here though. As someone who is decidedly not into sensory deprivation and bondage, I could still see the vision. The way you had Ceroba react made it make sense “ok I can see what’s supposed to be hot about this beyond just benis in bagoo.” Her making the extra effort to spread herself just a little bit more despite her predicament was genuinely hot. Things that also made this readable for me instead of giving me fight or flight reactions (not that you asked but maybe you’d be interested) are that there’s no sense of permanent irrevocable changes or someone’s health being put in danger for the fetish (well the 9 hours borders that, but it’s played off). The characters aren’t in terrible distress or suffering because of the fetish, and are actually into it and enjoying it (and not at someone else's expense). This isn’t to say that anyone is wrong from indulging in fictional or consensual fetishes that maybe touch on some of those things, but it’s why it doesn’t set off my red flags that generally tell me “Oh this is going in the shadow librarby and also I feel sick.”
>>4016513>>4016514Oh, boy.I appreciate you censoring all, oh fuck a third bit just popped up while I was typing this, christ.Uh, anyway, I appreciate you censoring all that, very considerate.Just a little mortified at the thought of, all that, but I'll read it in just a sec, since I asked for it.Thank you for taking the time to read my weird horny impulse fic, and giving your thoughts on it. That's a lot of thoughts.
>>4016516>Thank you for taking the time to read my weird horny impulse fic, and giving your thoughts on it. That's a lot of thoughts.I apologize if witnessing the walls of text has given you some amount of dread.
>>4016519I thought of a way to articulate the exact kind of dread it's given me, but I don't think I have the words to describe it.Anyway, yeah, I'll get to it in just a second now.Not gonna procrastinate on this, I'm gonna rip the bandaid off.
Partners AnonI just got the chance to read what you posted in the thread this weekend as well. that was really good. I didn't think I'd ever see something about Clovers paths that brought him to undyne. It makes me feel something that's hard to describe man. This may be a Clover who's lost more of his humanity than most people have, but I still want to give him a hug. I want to tear apart the world itself to give him a better future. The lad has been through hell and the awful thing? This is just the beginning of it.Honestly I've been having a real rough time lately and it's kept me from writing what I want to and what I've promised to write, but in a strange way this inspired me. It's too late for me to get much done tonight other than do the reading and updating I promised I'd do, but it fills me with a feeling.
>>4016525oh and partners anon let me know if you have a name for that one when you see this post.
>>4016521also you too, when you recover from reading my hopefully not too scathing review, let me know what you want your story named.
this foxgirl is in the unique position of being everyone's OC on account of being a named non-character tied to other important characters, but where is her depth?
>>4016513>>4016514>>4016515Alright, I've read it all.Even if I did feel like burying my face in my hands for a bit. I actually do really appreciate this feedback, it all feels pretty fair and understandable, the good and the bad. I'll be (and have been) the first to admit that I don't see myself as a writer to any real extent, with this being the first major thing I've written like this, ever, basically, so there were bound to be some hiccups here and there when I made the thing. That's honestly the only real response I have to some things here, I really just had very little idea of what to do for a lot of it, to the extent that I had to go back and write the starting chunk of the story after I had already written everything else, because my brain focused on the bits that I found hot first and the actual context second.That bit about Anon not responding when Ceroba's super into it and wants him though, you got me on that one, I should've had something for that. I'm honestly not sure what I actually would write for him to say there, but I'm not good with character dialogue in general, so that's how it was.I am very glad the part with her spreading herself a bit more was hot though, extremely happy that got through.Also, the thing you mention regarding danger or permanent changes being offputting to you, I actually feel the same on. I guess that ties back into my greater feelings on agency in general (weird freaky (consensual) things not withstanding), but I absolutely cannot stand it when characters are permanently messed up, or hurt, or anything like that, that's a line I will never cross, ever.As for the nine hours, well, uh, I do still like things being a little extreme at times, but this all effectively exists safely outside the realm of normal reality, where being fucked in every hole for nine hours straight would probably be much less of an enjoyable experience for someone.Also, okay, look. *Maybe* I overdid it with the size mention, but uh.Uh.
>>4016528Yeah, about that.Would you believe me if I told you I actually never thought about what I should call it while making it? I didn't even actually save what I had written until I was more than halfway through writing it, and even then I just saved it as [picrel].Now that it's done and out, I still have no idea what to call it.I feel like I should have an idea for a title that's like a play on words or something, but my sex-joke powers are failing me at the moment, so I've got nothing.I can try and figure something out, but if I still can't come up with anything good, I give you permission to title it as you wish when/if you archive it.
>>4016532>I'll be (and have been) the first to admit that I don't see myself as a writer to any real extent,despite that, you put yourself out there by writing something like this so I wanted to give you the respect of real thought out feedback as best as I could manage. no hard feelings if you don't suddenly take up life as a scribe and dedicate every moment to applying it of course.>That bit about Anon not responding when Ceroba's super into it and wants him though, you got me on that one, I should've had something for that. I'm honestly not sure what I actually would write for him to say there, but I'm not good with character dialogue in general, so that's how it was.I get that, character dialogue is one of those things that like anything else, gets better with time and there's still no guarantee of getting it perfectly.>I am very glad the part with her spreading herself a bit more was hot though, extremely happy that got through.honestly caught me off guard how strong of a "woah ok hold on he's speaking my language here" moment it was despite not being my thing.>Also, the thing you mention regarding danger or permanent changes being offputting to you, I actually feel the same on. I guess that ties back into my greater feelings on agency in general (weird freaky (consensual) things not withstanding), but I absolutely cannot stand it when characters are permanently messed up, or hurt, or anything like that, that's a line I will never cross, ever.yeah it makes me feel "a certain way" and it's not the "good feeling I don't want to admit" kind of way.>As for the nine hours, well, uh, I do still like things being a little extreme at timesLike I said, I'm not here to pass judgement and be the arbiter of what fetishes you are allowed to write. As you said it's outside the realm of normal reality. I'm just explaining why it didn't manage to set off a sense of dread in me.
>>4016532>>4016536but yeah, don't feel obligation to go to the workshop and fix or study these things, but I gave it my full thoughts for better or worse. if you ever get a wild hair and decide to try and write something again, those are just some suggestions to keep in mind and ultimately, they are just my suggestions and not facts of universal law.>Also, okay, look. *Maybe* I overdid it with the size mention, but uh.I'll let you be on this one, but just know there was absolutely a smirk sent across time and space.>>4016535>Would you believe me if I told you I actually never thought about what I should call it while making it? yeah absolutely. I've written greens that are the size of small fics but I don't bother naming them unless I go to post them on ao3 (which I still argue with myself on if I should do more? I don't know).>I feel like I should have an idea for a title that's like a play on words or something, but my sex-joke powers are failing me at the moment, so I've got nothing.Eh sometimes the names come easy and other times it's staring into the void cursing all of creation.>I can try and figure something out, but if I still can't come up with anything good, I give you permission to title it as you wish when/if you archive it.sounds good, my general rule with the librarby and the green room is I name the unnamed until the author gives me a name.Also I don't personally think this should be put in the shadow librarby, but I do consider peoples feedback on placement because ultimately all of my sorting is done by gut feeling.
>>4016531depends on who's writing her because to be fair, each person is going to explore the scraps of character we have in different ways.DRY seems to be working on her insecurities and family bonds, and working on those in contrast to her stress over Cole leaving soon. After all she's got that confidence stat.I've seen her done in some different ways but a lot of people gravitate towards DRYs approach I think.
>>4016539>but yeah, don't feel obligation to go to the workshop and fix or study these things, but I gave it my full thoughts for better or worse. if you ever get a wild hair and decide to try and write something again, those are just some suggestions to keep in mind and ultimately, they are just my suggestions and not facts of universal law.I actually probably will keep all this in mind for later reference, and I'll be saving this alongside my various other general notes on things too.I have literally no idea when I might write something again, and I'll probably never do something like *this* in particular again, but I do occasionally get ideas that I can really only see working as written pieces rather than as drawings, so I can imagine I might end up wanting to remember what you've told me here at some point again.>I'll let you be on this one, but just know there was absolutely a smirk sent across time and space.This is my personal 1984, I am the most oppressed person in all the worl->yeah absolutely. I've written greens that are the size of small fics but I don't bother naming them unless I go to post them on ao3Well, at least I'm not alone in this.>Eh sometimes the names come easy and other times it's staring into the void cursing all of creation.I really feel like it should be easier, like there's an obvious joke title that would work perfectly, but I've really got nothing.>my general rule with the librarby and the green room is I name the unnamed until the author gives me a name.Well, I thought about it some more, and I'm still drawing a blank. So, I guess naming this thing's your problem now, sorry.>Also I don't personally think this should be put in the shadow librarby, but I do consider peoples feedback on placement because ultimately all of my sorting is done by gut feeling.I'm aware of only one other person to have read it, in the previous /vrpg/ thread, and they basically thought the same thing. So, normal librarby until decided otherwise.
>>4016536>despite that, you put yourself out there by writing something like this so I wanted to give you the respect of real thought out feedback as best as I could manage.And I greatly appreciate that, would've felt hollow otherwise.>I get that, character dialogue is one of those things that like anything else, gets better with time and there's still no guarantee of getting it perfectly.Yeah, a skill like anything else.>honestly caught me off guard how strong of a "woah ok hold on he's speaking my language here" moment it was despite not being my thing.As someone who's primary output is horny stuff, it is always something I take some amount of pride in when someone else says they find a thing I made sexy, always glad to hear it.Out of personal curiosity however, could you perhaps elaborate on what about that moment in particular was hot to you?>yeah it makes me feel "a certain way" and it's not the "good feeling I don't want to admit" kind of way.Yeah, I don't know how to put it either, but stuff like that's never sat right with me.I think I talked about it at some point before, but I think the primary reason I don't like permanent changes or things like that, is because I really like the personal aspect of intimacy, even when we're talking about dumb cartoonish nonsense like this, so having any party involved in said intimacy have their mind erased or overwritten or whatever the hell just doesn't feel good to me. I mean, obviously for moral reasons, that's effectively killing their mind entirely, but it also does away with the point of the intimacy altogether, the actual "making love to and being with the other person" part of things. Like, if you're not actually focusing on the other person involved in such things, whether it's conventional sex or something more exotic, what's the point? You may as well just be masturbating at that rate, if the other person isn't being made a factor.1/2(?)
>>4016544>>40165362/2(I guess?)And as for injury or danger, that I also just consider to be too far, just for moral reasons.I would never want to hurt one of my scrimblos like that, or even just in general, they deserve better.I couldn't imagine any situation in which I would be okay with myself if I had brought Ceroba direct harm like that, I could never do that to her.Even just the idea of her, or any character, anyone, being forced into a sexual situation against their explicit will, makes me a little sick to my stomach, as dramatic as that sounds.I don't know how best to explain it, but I have some rather complex feelings on the matter, as I'm sure you could tell, but I've rambled about that enough by now.>Like I said, I'm not here to pass judgement and be the arbiter of what fetishes you are allowed to write. As you said it's outside the realm of normal reality. I'm just explaining why it didn't manage to set off a sense of dread in me.Ah, yes, I just couldn't help but try and explain that one a little bit.
>>4016343Nice work anon, her expression is really cute!
>>4016546Thanks, I'm glad you like it!
>>4016541>I actually probably will keep all this in mind for later reference, and I'll be saving this alongside my various other general notes on things too.good to hear!>I have literally no idea when I might write something again, and I'll probably never do something like *this* in particular again, but I do occasionally get ideas that I can really only see working as written pieces rather than as drawings, so I can imagine I might end up wanting to remember what you've told me here at some point again.sometimes we just have to listen to the dark spirit when it takes us.>I really feel like it should be easier, like there's an obvious joke title that would work perfectly, but I've really got nothing.>Well, I thought about it some more, and I'm still drawing a blank.So, I guess naming this thing's your problem now, sorry.well if a name ever strikes you, you're welcome to let me know and I'll change it to something less generic.>This is my personal 1984, I am the most oppressed person in all the worl-this shit makes me laugh every time ever since "the ketchup incident">>4016544>Out of personal curiosity however, could you perhaps elaborate on what about that moment in particular was hot to you?it's hard to put into words but it's more than just the movement but not just what the movement means. it's those things combined. The embodiment of "want" as a two way street in the subtle movement she makes and the yearning it implies. the hips and thighs are already a "place of interest" for me but the way they move can say a lot. Don't get me wrong, the whole package is important but in this moment, it said something.>so having any party involved in said intimacy have their mind erased or overwritten or whatever the hell just doesn't feel good to me.yeah I know it's hot to some people but for me the other person is a key factor in what's going on. the expressions they make the way they move their body both consciously and unconsciously. a dance of desire.
going to go to sleep now, updated the Librarby some though my updates are not complete as there are greens from the previous /vrpg/ that I need to grab, but I'm too sleepy for anything more. Also I apologize to the Anon's I took requests from recently for not having done them yet.6 greens added to greenroom3 fics added to librarbyno new gauntlets of terror for the shadow librarby.As always if you see something missing from there that you know of, please let me know.
>>4016352Nice green anon! Don't really have much else to say since I haven't played DRY, only gotten info through lurking around but I liked this.
>>4016549Rest well anon, and thank you for your contributions to our threads.And don't worry about the requests so much, we can be patient.
>>4016548>sometimes we just have to listen to the dark spirit when it takes us.Seems like, yeah.>well if a name ever strikes you, you're welcome to let me know and I'll change it to something less generic.Eh, what you've got should work just fine.>this shit makes me laugh every time ever since "the ketchup incident"It's a fun joke to whip out every once in a while.>The embodiment of "want" as a two way street in the subtle movement she makes and the yearning it implies. the hips and thighs are already a "place of interest" for me but the way they move can say a lot. Don't get me wrong, the whole package is important but in this moment, it said something.Huh, I think I see what you mean now.>yeah I know it's hot to some people but for me the other person is a key factor in what's going on. the expressions they make the way they move their body both consciously and unconsciously. a dance of desire.Yes, exactly, the desire for each other that makes it all work so beautifully, that's what matters most in sex, the passion, the love being shared between the two parties as they release their inhibitions and allow themselves to show just how much they want, *crave* the other, that's what it's about.Okay, I'll stop before I start ranting like a madman even more, you have a good night.
Partners anon, or any other writeanon with longer story focused writings. Any tips on how to plotline things out better? I'm having a hard time conceptualizing the way my story should go. I have broad ideas on what I want to achieve but it might not be enough or good. Any tips?
I felt compelled to write this based on some weird feelings I've had lately.Feel free to ignore this, just needed it out.>Anon slept, but did not do so peacefully>what he saw was a blur, but he could see more than enough to worry him>Reynault, in a worse state than he'd ever seen him before, neatly and intently preparing something he just couldn't make out>a faint smirk spreads across his face as he closes his eyes, clutching the device to his chest, as a door creaks open behind him, followed by the increasingly loud sound of approaching footsteps>a small laugh escapes his lips as he begins to dissolve, as the seemingly pursuing figure finally reaches him>only for them both to be consumed by a loud banging sound, and a flash of light>Anon woke up with a gasp and in a cold sweat, his eyes darting around the room as he searched for danger, only settling when he realized he had been asleep just then>he held his hand to his heart, feeling it nearly ready to burst out from his chest, and took several deep, but silent breaths to calm himself>he checked to his right, searching for the one thing that made him happier than anything else>Reynault, who had seemingly not been awoken by Anon's sudden panic, with his head still laying peacefully upon his pillow as he slept>Anon looked over his husband carefully as he laid next to him, looking for any sign that something was wrong, but found nothing at all>seeking to calm down from the horrible things he had seen, he quietly got out of bed, dressed himself, and walked outside>he looked up at the night sky, at the stars twinkling faintly in the endless darkness, and tried to get his mind off things>but that dream, that dream...>he couldn't shake the feeling there was something more to it than that>Reynault's breaking body, him turning to dust, someone pursuing him, and that device>no, he'd seen something like this before somehow, he could feel it>it was no dream, it felt far too real to be a mere illusion, no
>>4016573>it was a vision, of things yet to come>but he had seen them, just now!>surely there was some meaning to these visions of tragedy, a reason why he was shown such horrible things, there must be something he could do>Anon's head spun in circles as he tried to focus, to figure out what he was meant to do with all of this, until at last, he reached his understanding>Anon had to stop the war, before it could take away his dearly beloved>the thought of this seemingly impossible task made Anon's head hurt, but his devoted mind had already begun to put together a plan, however much of a longshot it may have been, to halt the coming storm>he looked back towards the house that he and Reynault had made their home, before turning away, and walking into the darkness of the night>Anon was going to act tonight
Okay, feel free to ignore, that, I just wanted to channel my feelings into something other than feeling kinda sad about a fictional french foxman for a bit.I wanted to try and do a quick sketch of Quetzali kissing an anon tonight, and I did get started on that a bit, but it would seem I instead blew my creative energy for the night on writing myself having visions and deciding to do something terrible in the name of my love for that damned fox instead.Oldentale anon, you have ruined me.I need some sleep. Goodnight everyone.
>>4016574Actually, it does now occur to me that in a more "accurate" or "in-character" version of these events, Reynault probably wouldn't actually be sleeping after I'd woken up from the nightmare, he'd just be pretending to sleep to see what I'm doing after.Though I'm not sure if he would actually do anything about it. Part of me likes the idea of him seeing me turning to the "dark side" and telling me to just come back to bed, and another part of me likes the idea of him watching me decide to do something terrible for his sake and him seeing that as being romantic, because he is a fuck.But dammit, he's a fuck I love.Okay, now I sleep.
>>4016573Not sure what that anon plans to do to end the war unless he plans to gain the power of a monster with a human soulI will never ever under any circumstance understand your devotion for a simple scrimblo, but I'm glad you have something that inspires you this much
>>4016562So far my longer stories live only as aspirations and ideas, but I first think of an ending or otherwise specific scenes I think would be cool, and combine that with an overall concept or theme that matches the characters I want to use. I brainstorm a bunch of these scenes (don't have to keep every single one), and once I have enough I can click them together like puzzle pieces which is immensely satisfying. Then the only hard part left is writing in filler or scene transitions that are relatively less eventful.>>4016578That sounds cute, whether it is a peck on the snoot or something more substantial. Bonus points if she's wrapped around him. Goodnight anon.
>>4016487Put the victim narrative down for 20 minutes, will you.
>>4016406>Why did she call Cole Mortimer?just her making a little For a Few Dollars More reference to lighten the air. Such a situation strikes me as the sort of thing to knock Cole out of stoicism for a bit.>spoilerGizmo would probably pass out seeing that.>>4016412Sadie is cute in general, so she'd be cute even when nude.>>4016550Give it a try when you get the chance.
>>4016549The "Kanako vs knight" green is missing its beginning from the vrpg thread. You missed the 4th of July Eastwood festival, luzma intolerance and bedo greens as far I rememberAlso Netskie and Roba green collection (to the shadow librarby)
>>4016606I wasn't talking about That, but it's really suspicious you think I was.
>>4016619Thanks, I've found the luzma, bedo and 4th of july ones and will get them updated after work. Still gotta find those others>>4016551I appreciate it anon, thank you.
>>4016706To elaborate I was referring to people not complaining about chapter 5
>>4016706>>4016725Just say Yagi you gormless retard. And no, the janny is not banning threads because of a lack of chapter 5 criticism. He hates deltarune and wants the threads gone.
>>4016722The "Clover meets Kris and Asriel" isn't full, it has other parts not included (it's in the same thread)Vrpg thread also had Cole and Kanako reacting to deltatraveller obliteration green, Kanako and Clover fusion green, "Val thinking" small green collection.
>>4016735I wasn't talking about Yagi you deranged fruit.
>>4016738>Clover meets Kris and Asriel" isn't fullAh I thought I grabbed all of that one.Also, I feel like its a typo when it says kris at the end. It feels like thats supposed to be clover reacting isnt it?>Cole and Kanako reacting to deltatraveller obliteration greenOh shit I remember that one. I thought I saved it now that I think about it but maybe I just thought about it and got side tracked>kanako and Clover fusion green, "Val thinking" small green collection.Were these both in the /vrpg/ or are they in the weekly threads?
>>4016741>Also, I feel like its a typo when it says kris at the endThe greens prior to that tell that it is a Gaster's experiment, so it would make sense to have Kris there. Without context though it does feel a bit weird though.>Were those both in /vrpg/Yes. Do you need help finding them?
>>4016346>>Thank the Angel she was shorter than him, the poncho went a good foot past her waist.Unrealistic, sadie is probably the tallest of the group.Good fic though
Bread?>>4016741Also don't forget the Sadie green up there.
>>4016749The sadie green was added unless you mean another one that slipped past me.
>>4016749>Bread?janny ate it then spit out because it wasn't as tasty and greasy as a hot pocket
>>4016744>The greens prior to that tell that it is a Gaster's experiment, so it would make sense to have Kris there. Without context though it does feel a bit weird though.oh no it makes perfect sense that kris is there, but at the end when it says>Toriel steps forward and says "We have some children of our own, one right about your age. Kris is acting a bit moody right now but—"what Kris hears next raises the hairs on his neck. He wants to run, or fight, or do anything, but he feels completely frozen>the small goat rushes behind his parents and grabs both of Kris's hands>"Howdy!"the green has been from clovers perspective but "what kris hears next raises the hairs on his neck."shouldn't that be clover since this is all clover reacting as the dreemur family is introduced to him?>Yes. Do you need help finding them?I hate to put you through the work but if you're willing to it would help a lot. I'll get all the greens we can find on the green room after work.
>>4016748I swear Kanako is the tallest.
>>4016755>Shouldn't that be clover Probably yesAlright:Clover and Kanako fusionhttps://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/chunk/4003779/#q4009760"Val thinking" green collection. Posting only the original post, but additional replies should be included (too many links to post though)https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/chunk/4003779/#q4008940Netskie and Roba green collectionhttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/742587908/#q742592054 (Original post that started it, greens are in replies)"Kanako vs Knight" starting posthttps://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/chunk/4003779/#q4009162 (has a bit more in replies to it)Also Cole and Sadie "Fluff addiction" lead to 404 page
>>4016764much appreciated anon, I'll go through and gather up the posts soon as I can.>Also Cole and Sadie "Fluff addiction" lead to 404 pageshit, that's due to a small typo. I went ahead and fixed that real quick.
>>4016599>That sounds cute, whether it is a peck on the snoot or something more substantial.More substantial. Probably questionable, even.>Bonus points if she's wrapped around him.Of course, that's half the point.
>>4016585>Not sure what that anon plans to do to end the war unless he plans to gain the power of a monster with a human soulIntervene.>I will never ever under any circumstance understand your devotion for a simple scrimblo, but I'm glad you have something that inspires you this muchHe's a funny little guy and I like him a lot and I will raze continents in his name.
Green Sans devloghttps://gamejolt.com/p/green-sans-devlog-2-ga2ujjtp
>>4016801huh, I remember hearing a while back that this was dead. neat.it did prompt me to also go and check for the UTF doc and still nothing.
>>4016804>it did prompt me to also go and check for the UTF doc and still nothing.It's never coming out
Anyone have the side-facing version of Quetzali's normal overworld sprite?
You know that feeling you got when you first saw NORMAL_NPC in the library? I just got that while browsing yt shorts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UimjSH-6zHg
>>4016484What a time to have premiered that. At least it wasn't a full-blown Partners chapter that got its head chopped off.Anyways, repostan:"I made something bite-sized in the continuity of Partners.https://rentry.co/q65n8phsThis one can function as a standalone, but I don't yet have a recommended order. If I had to say, it would be a companion piece to whichever chapter has the epigraph covering Undyne.I'm finally back on the main fic, and feeling energized. I was also very pleased to find that past me had an outline already written, so I'm jumping right in and making progress. Hope to share it with everyone soon (and by soon, I mean a month or so.)">>4016525I'm really happy you liked it, and that it could fill you with a feeling that's hard to describe. Those are the best ones, even if they hurt. And as for inspiring you during a tough time... that makes it all worth it. More than anything, I want to give that to people. Which is funny considering how utterly bleak Partners is on its face, but hey, if it works, it works.>The nameWhoops, I forgot to post the name with it. I call it Mirror March, picrelated. I've never actually played this card, but I like the art and it may or may not have subconsciously influenced a particular part of this side story's imagery. The name, on the other hand, is directly sourced from this card. Well, that and from Fallen London.Also, turns out that pseuds on Ao3 are connected to the main account, so it'll take me longer to get the Kanacole fic posted there. I'm in the invitation process on an alt email.>>4016562I'm writing up a response, but it's gonna take a minute. Probably will not get it done until tomorrow.
>>4016814These are her newest sprites
>>4016817Thanks, but do you have one of her older ones, without the mask?I want to see the length of her (snout?), how far it extends from the rest of her head.
>>4016818Pretty much the same, she just has one extra black outline pixel to make the mask seem more square.
>>4016821Ah, I see.Thanks, this'll be useful still.Also lets me get a better view of what her hair looks like from the side, at least the bit closest to her face.
>>4016816>Which is funny considering how utterly bleak Partners is on its face, but hey, if it works, it works.I guess that's part of what makes it hard to put a word on you know? The situation about as bad as it could get for our lad Clover, but it still makes my [heart shaped object] ignite to burn away the darkness.Also I had a thought about the story kind of. while we know clover was never able to make it past undyne, I think the version of him that faced off against zenith martlet would have no problem with her, but to be fair that's like 3 times the LV and with the power of his soul unlocked for the beams. Anyways Librarby is mostly updated minus a few things I still need to tie together. I just grabbed part of your text above for the description, but I'll try to remember to change it based on whatever you upload it to AO3 as.
>>4016817Why is her head off center?
>>4016830Dragon Ball reference.
>>4016831>Quetzali is so autistic she displaced her neck just to be like a character from ningenballz...
>>4016837Sounds like the perfect match for our FUARKING HERO Val
>>4016837Her autism is one of her best features, much like most other women we've seen from UTN so far.
>>4016839Sadly she BETRAYED and TRAPPED him in a hyperbolical OOB chamber for hyperbolical 1000 YEARS, injuandice styler...
>>4016840Why are waterfall monsters so autistic?
>>4016842Maybe it's like how being in the Valley of the Jedi can make you force sensitive if you weren't already, but instead it just makes you autistic.
>>4016843>Maybe it's like how being in the Valley of the Jedi>valley of the jedi>VALley of the jediit all makes sense now.
>>4016843Maybe it's because the people who end up there are either: reclusive like Gerson or Napstablook, or are obssessed with human culture like Undyne or Alphys.Those damp wet caverns seem like a perfect place for creating autists
>>4016841That only made their bond stronger after Val figured out how the escape from the chamber, screaming really hard is the explorers secret technique for a reason
>>4016848But Val wanted to FIGHT her, to see someone who could match him in a FIGHT. But they ended up matching in their autism instead, no curryage broarvery styler
my life for my [basketball] and BROTHER in WORKOUT READY ARMS AXIS Unit 014 CAN WE GET a [hell] YEAH for our BOYOUR [ticked] OFF KINGOUR O_UR____G___--=
>>4016851>MELODY MUST GO>I AM SELF-DESTUCRTI 'ACKCalm down dusty clankuh, you are even dumber than that stupid fox and her "husband"
>>4016850with each encounter they learn more from the other, which means that Val gets better at exploring and Quetzali improves as a fighter, eventually she'll be able to give him a tough fight
>>4016851[hell] YEAH!1!
Say, what kind of facial expression do you think Quetzali would have, if she was constricting someone while making out with them?It's a more dominant position for her, but I kinda like the idea of her having something of an affectionate expression on her face, like if she's doing it with someone she really loves.
>>4016857Determined or smug
>>4016857I think she should look happy and affectionate like you said, maybe with the dilated pupils if she has her eyes open, but that might be too much or look creepy.
>>4016860Yeah, I think having her pupils too big or too small might make it feel uncomfortable.I don't think I'd want her looking at me like that if she was constricting me.
>>4016871>I don't think I'd want her looking at me like that if she was constricting me.You don't want a monster girl looking at you as if you were the last piece she needs to complete her collection of legos?
>>4016874>You don't want a monster girl looking at you as if you were the last piece she needs to complete her collection of legos?In theory, that sounds nice, but if that manifests as her looking at me like either of [picrel] while she has me constricted and unable to move, I think I might have a slight heart attack.
>>4016875left doesn't look that bad
I'm a bit late to the party, but is it me, or the new chapter was one big "fuck you" towards fan soul interpretations?Yellow soul has strong moral compass and is in relationship with a fox girl? Fuck you, he's stupid, suicidal and super gay now.Blue soul is a homicidal girl? Nuh-huh, it's a wonderful flawless trans person!Orange soul is badass martial artist? Nope, wrong, it's a little mouse crybully.
Some Nozzle, so perhaps you Zozzlehttps://noz.rip/sketch/gallery.php#18944
>>4016879I ain't clicking that
>>4016878Not really. The soul flowers are not the actual humans from UT, they just represent them in DR
>>4016876It's still just a little spooky to me, the idea of her being an inch (or less) away from my face while looking at me like that.
>>4016878>Blue soul is a homicidal girl? Nuh-huh, it's a wonderful flawless trans person!Blue wasn't even trans in DR, he's clearly drawn as a guy and he's only ever referred to as a guy, how many idiots are gonna keep falling for this?
>>4016880What a shame, I thought you might like it.
>>4016879Quetzali if she real
>>4016878>>4016883I think it's a case of looking too far into it. All the flowers have inverse flanderized personalities and aren't exactly "human" to begin with. And I have to emphasize this when I say they're *flowers*. The only people insisting that it's the one and only canon interpretation of a bunch of dead kids and you'd be anti-tobycore for not copy-pasting the flowerniggas is a troll
>>4016878I feel like yellow has managed to do some damage because a few people have taken to saying it's just like clover "haha clover gives up his life in one route, that's just like this guy who tries to kill himself at every opportunity!" but overall I'm still confident that it's going to blow over and none of them will stick as fallen children interpretations because honestly the flowers are all pretty weakly characterized. It does strike me a bit odd that out of all of them, yellow is the one that is with a gay black(blue) man
>>4016878It felt like a "fuck you" in general. I know its probably not meant as one (except the ntr, there is no way that shit isn't intentional. Just another Toby fetish, I suppose). Hell, if I were a schizo, I would call the game an incredibly personalized "fuck you" since it fucked me over in ways it really shouldn't have been able to know about way too many times, to the point of absurdity.
>>4016887>black(blue) mandab a deedab a die
>>4016882nta but I do get it, but imagining it is also funny at the same time to me because I find her waku waku expressions hilarious. the one where she's looking in different directs in particular is funny to think of her doing while everything else is going on.
>>4016887I headcanon that it's how the Asgore saw the fallen kids in UT
>>4016883He really looks and acts like the mandatory diversity tranny that so many games include these days. Yeah, I know he's not, but I can't fault anons for thinking he is one. Plus he sucks anyways, so he still deserves hate.
>>4016879Cute autistic snek, a snatist if you will
>>4016890Can somebody post the quetzali face sprite sheet?
>>4016890I don't know if I could take it seriously if she was going cross-eyed while constricting me.It'd be a little funny though, just one of those awkward moments that happens during sex.
>>4016887The worst damage yellow has done is causing people to draw Clover like him. I've seen it twice now.
>>4016894
Nearly done with this, just need to figure out what to do with their tongues.I think I might just clean it up a bit and post it once it's all drawn, hopefully later tonight.
>>4016895>I don't know if I could take it seriously if she was going cross-eyed while constricting me.oh absolutely not but yeah what yousaid after, I could imagine if she only did that for a moment it would be something I could just laugh off. it would be funny if she just momentarily did that when she got really excited about The Sex
>>4016897What about Top Right (1 sprite to the left)
>>4016895Would you take it seriously if she made her Waku Waku face mid orgasm?
>>4016879Cute Quetzali picture anon I like the hat.
>>4016896yeah that one goopnako image with him wasn't terrible, but it just felt like a downgrade seeing him like that. Hell I'd much prefer how wandering drew him which looks goofy as hell, if we're going with a different approach.
>>4016899...Are you suggesting she goes cross-eyed when she gets "excited"?Hm.Interesting idea.
>>4016900I'm ready for it.>>4016904is it called cross eyed when both eyes are looking away but in different directions?
>>4016901Everyone's got their quirks, who am I to judge?
>>4016898That was fast
>>4016905That's cock-eyed actually.
>>4016908Eh, it's just a side-view image, those don't usually take too long, less depth to worry about.
>>4016897Quetzali missing an eye in that one sprite...
>>4016882That just means she loves you a lot and is about to show you exactly how much
>>4016911I think she's just winking.
>>4016912
>>4016810a man can dream cant he?
>>4016913You can see how her wink would look in the other sprite
>>4016898I can see her bald head under her hair
>>4016876She looks like crazy Noelle there
>>4016914Its only a threat if you think you can't handle it
>>4016916Maybe she's winking with her non-dominant eye in that sprite, thus giving off a "thick wink".
>>4016916I'm pretty sure she has 2 different wink sprites.forma smug and forma playful.
>>4016917The superposition hasn't collapsed yet, be patient.
>>4016903>yeah that one goopnako image with him wasn't terribleIt really was
>>4016920>>4016921She poked out her eye during her pirate phase. She regrets it now, and wears a fake glass eye. That's why she can point them in different directions
>>4016925You callin' her a one-eyed snake?
Oh god, I just had a vision. A horror from the future has revealed itself to me yet again.At some point after UTN comes out, someone is going to make a completely unironic post about how Quetzali swapping from her snake form and her anthro form is actually symbolism for her being a trans woman somehow.And we will be hopeless to stop it.
>>4016928my heart rate increased, and my breath drew short as I read that post anon.
>>4016927I call her a sea serpent because she has gills
>>4016928first Bedo and now Quetzali, will all the Naranja girls suffer the same fate?
>>4016932What's with Bedo?
>>4016930See, her constantly swapping between the two forms is clearly meant to represent her internal struggles with identit-Yeah, see, it's horrifying, I don't like it either.
>>4016933She's fat, and a neet, which means trans women are likely to latch onto her.
>>4016931>I call her a sea serpent because she [HEADCANON]
>>4016936>OC>HeadcanonAnon, I...
>>4016931I call her a see serpent because she has both eyes.
>>4016933Someone made a post saying that Bedo has many traits that make her a self insert for the twitter crowd, mainly being fat, a neet and having given up her dream
>>4016939She had a dream?
>>4016939Our only hope of circumventing this is making sure Bedo gets out of her slump and starts pursuing her dreams again, it's the only way we can prevent the bad future.She can still be fat though, that's fine.
>>4016937You can still have headcanons with OCs, the biggest example being the ideas some people have about the UTY characters
>>4016938Yeah, one of them is a fake one though. Her pirate phase can still be found in the "sea" part of the serpent
>>4016940Just like her hero, Steven Armstrong.But yes, she was a martial artist.
>>4016940She used to be into martial arts, so we can assume she gave up and let herself go
>>4016944I never head about it? When did Naranja say that?
>>4016946Way back, he posted a description of her (and also Luzma) after I asked for some details about them for some drawings.I'll try and fetch it for you, just a sec.
>>4016928Watch them find a way to do it with every fangame character
>>4016948>Sadie metamorphosing from a larva symbolizes gender transition
>>4016948>>4016950>Darkblade getting mad whenever someone makes fun of his edgelord persona is a representation of how trans people are never taken seriously despite their best efforts
>>4016951>Racter eggposting
>>4016951>Kitsy isn't real and it is just Darkblade playing out his true desires in a costume
>>4016941Her getting knocked up should be enough to prove she's a biological woman, in fact, UTN's pacifist ending should feature an image like pic related but with Val and the girls
>>4016952>>4016953oh hey satan, I didn't know you visited these threads!
>>4016946Okay, it was this.The censored bits say "Bedo was very talented at the monster equivalent of martial arts", " Might have been too envious", and "She never felt like her progress was enough".Hm.Well, anyway, I think that's as much as we know about her right now, most of what we've had so far has been, speculation, so to speak.I do still find it somewhat amusing how we only learned as much about Bedo and Luzma as we did because I wanted to draw them lactating, as Naranjadev himself has credited to me several times himself.
>>4016956I'm pretty sure naranja anon also has mentioned something directly about giving up dreams, and I think he responded to that one green mentioning that Val could sense she still had her fighting spirit deep down
>>4016953This actually isn't the first time someone has made that joke.
>>4016956Damnit, the censor only worked on one of them?Welp, guess that's out there for everyone now.Sorry Naranjadev.
>>4016956Thanks
>>4016954Actually, I've heard there are experimental womb transplants that can let trans women get pregnant now.No one is safe.
>>4016960What for, gonna use this for something?
>>4016953>Before being Toriel's sister Wiki was her brother, that's why she's the black sheep of the family
>>4016955>oh hey satan,*Radiation
>>4016957>fighting spirit I think that's from her gaming skills>her dreamsWasn't it to play with Val again (He jobbed)
I don't really find this insincere nonsense very amusing.
>>4016963>Black>tranny
>>4016928People are gonna take your characters and do the most depraved and nasty things you can and CAN'T imagine. It comes with the territory.The correct path is to limit your engagement with the audience aka don't act like Gooseworx.
>>4016962For finding it.I don't know what it can be used for.
>>4016966One of those posts strike a nerve?
>>4016965>I think that's from her gaming skillsit was in context though that he picked up that it was there before even playing games against her. He sensed a "strong opponent", I assume her latent willpower or something to take on challenges.>Wasn't it to play with Val again (He jobbed)that was in the context of that green but I feel like he's suggested in general that she's given up on her dreams in some way.
>>4016969Oh, well, no problem.I dunno, maybe it can be used to fuel your imagination, if you so choose.
>>4016966>this shows how trans people cope by being in denial about it until they finally crack their egg and accept it
>>4016968Isn't Gooseworx somehow more depraved than "her" audience?
>>4016972>I feel like he's suggested in general that she's given up on her dreams in some way.NTA, but I'm pretty sure that's what the whole martial arts thing was about, that she gave up being a fighter, which was her dream.
>>4016969>I don't know what it can be used for.greentext material, buying stocks early in the waifu market, or just neat character trivia
>>4016976yeah that feels right. I just can't remember exactly what he said on that.
>>4016973She honestly doesn't feel like she would ever do martial arts. Perhaps she dreamt about that
>>4016975Not incorrect, but I mention her more in the sense she kept looking up people with negative opinions despite feeling hurt every time.
>>4016974>Racter being controlled by the soul is a metaphor for how trans people often feel "controlled" or limited by *other* people's perceptions and desires fo-Okay, I'll stop, but we're probably gonna see completely unironic posts like that some day.
>>4016979>She honestly doesn't feel like she would ever do martial arts.You're only saying the because we never saw Bedo (Forma Prime)
>>4016979Well, it's not your character, and this is what Naranjadev's said about it, so either accept it or go pound sand.
>>4016981I was thinking more of (you) being in Racter would be considered a metaphor for being trapped in the wrong body
>>4016984A double-metaphor.Both Racter *and* (you) are trans coded.Not the soul, (you), you're trans now, it's been ascribed to you.
>>4016971Little weird to wing an accusation that someone else is mad when they say you're a little boring anon.
>>4016983>go pound sandSadly there is no sand based monster yet
>>4016985Here's the part where a /v/ shitposter would say "being a deltatroon already did that".Anyways, it boggles the mind how these people can find a trans metaphor in anything.
>>4016987Dunebuds exist, but I don't think anyone here would be into pounding one of those
>>4016986Somehow I don't think they were complaining about *boredom* on this topic in particular.
>>4016982Yeah? Like sumo
>>4016989I think I saw a drawing of one with asscheeks before.So, maybe not here, but out there?Sky's the limit.
>>4016985>You're trans now, that's my attackShould be a cathartic edit
>>4016992I prefer to think she used to be a fit shortstack before becoming a chubby shortstack
>>4016995I'm trying so hard not to make a really dumb joke about the idea of a "trans soul mode", you have no idea.
>>4016997>"trans soul mode"The Mad Mew Mew fight from the switch port of Undertale is already a thing
>>4016998I was gonna make a joke about it giving every hit a 41% chance to instakill you.Is that too much?I feel like that's too much.
>>4016997>>4016998I never made the connection, but fuck it even has the colors.
>>4016999Too bland and overused
>>4017000Wouldn't that have to be pink and blue?The Nintendo soul is red and blue.
>>4017001Yeah, fair point.
>>4016897>>4016911Btw, there's two wink sprites because I wasn't sure on how she should look like with her eyes closed. The black parts around her eyes are based on the black stripes some snakes have around their eyes, so logically, her eyelids should look black if they have that pattern too, as if they were eye shadow (I know real snakes don't have eyelids, but you get my point). Basically the one with the black eye is how her wink should look, the other one is how I chose to represent it since its easier to read.
>>4017004NTA, but I appreciate how much thought you put into stuff like that, it's nice.
>>4016983I cant go pound sand.I am all out of vacation days
>>4017007>I am all out of vacation daysThis jit cracks dunebuds
>>4017004What is Val's opinion on music? Does he like it? If he does then what genre? Would he ever want to learn an instrument?
>>4017004Is Val smart enough to know that that one song people use for Perfect Cell is actually just a remix?
>>4017012nta but I wonder, since val would have grown up with a different dub from what I remember naranjanon saying.
>>4017006>NTA, but I appreciate how much thought you put into stuff like that, it's nice.Thanks, I gave her those lines to make her design seem more snake like since I thought she was looking a bit too much like a generic reptile.>>4017009>What is Val's opinion on music? Does he like it?I don't see why Val would dislike music in the first place.>If he does then what genre?First things that come to mind are 2000s rap music (like Eminem) and obviously anime openings, he probably listens to a lot of J-rock and music similar to that.>Would he ever want to learn an instrument?I've always associated Val with bass guitars, I can't exactly put into words since I don't know that much about music, but that instrument tends to make music sound more "cocky" or I guess "funky" would be the correct word, so if I had to pick an instrument for Val it would be that.>>4017012If he watches videos on DBZ he would find out eventually.>>4017013I don't think I've ever said what was the dub Val watched, I'll just leave it to interpretation, but I do know that remix is based on a theme exclusive to DBZ's American dub.
I just had the thought of singing "Snake Eater" to myself and making Quetzali slightly nervous.That is all.
>>4017016In which way is the snake getting eaten? That's the real question
>>4017017Uh.I don't know actually.Isn't that song a metaphor?I know you can eat snakes in the game itself, but I don't think that song's supposed to be so literal.Do you think she'd blush if I told her the protagonist is called "Naked Snake" in MGS3?
>>4017019>SpoilerI mean, she's already naked in her snake form isn't she? Unless she's thinking of an anthro snake, but then again, some anthro monsters don't wear clothes either. I guess it depends on which thought crosses her mind first.
>>4017019>>4017017>>4017016>playing snake eater on the speaker as you approach her slowly licking your lips and rubbing your hands together>should she be aroused, weirded out, or scared.
>>4017022>I mean, she's already naked in her snake form isn't she?Well, she does usually have that mask on in her snake form, right?Maybe anything less than that and she'd be "naked".>Unless she's thinking of an anthro snake, but then again, some anthro monsters don't wear clothes either. I guess it depends on which thought crosses her mind first.She is and isn't embarrassed depending on what she thinks of first.
>>4017023>playing snake eater on the speaker as you approach her slowly licking your lips and rubbing your hands togetherThat's an extremely dramatic song to be doing, that, to.>should she be aroused, weirded out, or scared.Depends on if you're also doing an appropriate voice while you're at it.For the love of god, do not do a David Hayter impression and say "Pretty tasty, I want some more!" after eating out your girlfriend.
>>4017026>if you're also doing an appropriate voice while you're at>spoilersok but if she's autistic enough she might be into it.
>>4017029I don't know what kind of autism you need to be into something like that, but sure, I guess it's possible.Now this is kinda reminding me of that one post where an anon talks about how his girlfriend won't let him eat her out anymore because he figured out how to reliably make her moan the imperial march. For some reason.
Okay, I'm about to get into something, so I might not actually be able to polish this up and do some basic lineart tonight, so here's the rough sketch for now, I'll clean it up later.Just planting my flag.
>>4017034Yes this is a screenshot because I couldn't be bothered to export the sketch thank you very much.
>>4017034I like what you're working with here. Like the texture of her top side and the outline I can see taking shape of her tongue working its magic.
I'm finally working on my writing (feels like it's easiest to actually get something done after midnight) and I made some notes for myself last time I was working on this about what martlet would say, and I know I had in mind exactly what it would be back when I made the notebut in my infinite wisdom I just wrote vaguely that she replied.I would do myself a lot of good if I would learn to actually create proper notes for myself.
I'm thinking about finally going full autismo and writing my first fanfic about "Kris Ketsukane" AU. Mostly to show my interpretation of what teenage Kanako should be like.
>>4017064I dare you to do it. I double dog dare you even.but really I'd be curious to see a different take on her.
I'm sure I've talked about it sometime before, but man, Quetzali's constriction would probably be great for naughty stuff, even outside of direct sex.Like, Imagine getting hard while bound in her coils, feeling a jolt of pleasure as your cock presses up against her while she's wrapped around you, as she decides to move herself just enough to create an opening for your cock to be free, only to then tighten herself around it again, shifting around it to stimulate you even more, leaving you completely at her mercy as she plays with you. Now imagine being so exhausted from her milking you that you pass out while still constricted by her, still feeling that comforting, restraining pressure surrounding you on all sides as you fall asleep in her embrace.Anyway, I feel like Quetzali's good for a lot of things, she has a decent bit of potential.
>>4016515Oh yeah, something I forgot to say until just now for whatever reason because my mind is an esoteric mess, but (I think) it was actually a conversation with you that inspired the whole "sensory deprivation" thing. Sorta. Okay, I'll explain.Basically, back when I was working on that Ceroba/Anon remaster image a few weeks back, there was that conversation that I'm pretty sure was with you about the topic of oral sex for whatever reason, and I said I don't really find the idea of being on the receiving end of oral to be super interesting or anything, and that conversation was pretty short, but I kept thinking about it off and on as I worked on my drawing, because I was trying to solve it like a puzzle, like, "what would make the idea of receiving oral sex from Ceroba hot to me?" or something, and eventually I thought, "huh, what if she was blindfolded while she did it?", and then "ooh, and what if she was restrained too?", and then "and what if she also had her ears plugged, so all she could really feel was just my cock in her mouth, causing her mind to be slowly overwhelmed with pure lust as she fixates on nothing but sucking my cock as the rest of the world fades from her mind?", which was followed by "holy shit, what the fuck am I talking about?", after which I immediately wrote the idea down to do something with later, and that ended up being that story.Unless that wasn't you I had that brief conversation with in which case ignore how crazy I sound right now.Anyway, I myself didn't even realize that sensory deprivation was a specific kink in and of itself, though I guess it makes sense that it would be, weirder things are. I also didn't really expect myself to be into something like that, but I guess some things just lined up for me to make the idea really hot with Ceroba in particular, so I dunno, I guess there's something about her that lets me tap in to previously locked away levels of freakiness for me.
Newfag here. Can you recommend all good or mid-tier Undertale/Deltarune fangames? They don't have to be finished but I don't care about games that are just one fight.
>>4017110Ribbit's a mod, but I'd say it's pretty alright, at least if you're okay with the story not being too serious.
>>4017110Play Undertale Yellow if you haven't already, its one of the few full lenght fangames out there
>>4017110TS!Underswap is very good and also try Deltarune Yellow (Preferably after Undertale yellow)
>>4017110Undertale Yellow is a must-play, it's pretty polished (some writing flubs aside) and tells a complete storyThere's also Deltarune Yellow, made by an anon from here, not finished but with two complete chaptersI have to give a strong recommendation for Deltarune SOULBlazers as well, a complete fangame done in the visual and gameplay style of the SWORD game from Chapter 3. It's surprisingly long and has enough mechanics to not overstay its welcome
>>4017110People here will try to talk you out of it but you should play Deltatraveler, a game with good fights and laughably bad writing, especially in the genocide route which gets downright hysterical.If you do play it, I cannot recommend enough playing version 3.0.1, as opposed to the current version of 3.1, because the author edited out some of the funniest, edgiest lines after people started mocking them and rewrote Underfell Sans from a remorseless bastard who deserves to die into someone the story tries to paint as redeemable. The writing is bad in both versions but it's funnier in this onehttps://archive.org/details/deltatraveler-v3.0.1
>>4017120>even people who hate deltatraveler think the newest update made underfell sans shit at least I don’t have to worry about you guys being thin-skinned enough to compromise your vision bc of what a bunch of fags say
Alright, cleaned it up some, so here it is.As far as I know, this is the first image of Quetzali constricting someone.If that is indeed the case, I am pleased to have been the first to draw such a thing.I only really planned on having this be a relatively quick little drawing, and comparatively it was, so that's why it's just the lines instead of having even flat colors or anything, but I could go back and add some color if people want me to.For now, I move on to the next project.I've been wanting to draw Bedo again, had some ideas for her. Nothing too out there, actually quite normal, at least for one part. Compromise.
>>4017074>>4017125Cute drawing.I was never into constriction, but these posts about Quetzali are making me reconsider that.
>>4017132>Cute drawing.Thanks.>I was never into constriction, but these posts about Quetzali are making me reconsider that.Really?Even that first post?Huh.
>>4017125Cute stuff anon!
>>4017133>still constricted by her, still feeling that comforting, restraining pressure surrounding you on all sides as you fall asleep in her embraceThis was the part that got me, sleeping like that sounds nice
>>4017125>As far as I know, this is the first image of Quetzali constricting someone.It is, its also one of the first drawings of Quetzali in her snake form.>I've been wanting to draw Bedo again, had some ideas for her. Nothing too out there, actually quite normal, at least for one part.Sounds intriguing, but I'm sure it will be something (most) anons can enjoy
>>4017125Anon, the wings... you forgot the wings...
>>4017135Thank you, I had hoped it would be received as such.>>4017136>This was the part that got me, sleeping like that sounds niceAh, I see. Yes, falling asleep in the embrace of a loved one is quite something, is it not?Constriction simply enhances such a feeling, with a stronger embrace.>>4017138>It isThen, as Unicron said, I am pleased to be the first.>its also one of the first drawings of Quetzali in her snake form.Yes, I believe it was Oldentale anon who was the first to draw her snake form, some time ago, unless I'm mistaken.>Sounds intriguing, but I'm sure it will be something (most) anons can enjoyI will likely do two versions of the image, one normal, and an alt for my own specific desires.As for whether or not it will be enjoyed, that will have to be seen. I have been learning to make peace with the disappointment of reality.
>>4017139No, that was intentional.As per these sprites, I invoke plausible deniability.
And now, I rest.Goodnight.
>>4017141On the left - Quetzali (forma serpiente de mar, has gills but no wings)On the right - Quetzali (forma de amigo emplumado, has wings but no gills)
>>4017141>>4017143She needs a third form with small clawed arms, based on a mexican mole lizard/lindwurm, that way Quetzali will have a form for every terrain.
>>4017153Quetzali centipede
>>4017064Write it then
I think I've finished the sketch of the ocxminaxorange pic, now comes the lineart and coloring, whenever I ge to those. Hope I can do all of them justice.
I HATE JUSTICE
>>4016954Val will probably only go for one
>>4017199Val is too young for Luzma
>>4016878>Fuck you, he's stupid, suicidal and super gay nowKanaclover isn’t canon, and Clover really is stupid, suicidal, and gay. It fits
>>4017212clovismobros...did we just win?
Some more Noz for you.https://noz.rip/sketch/gallery.php#18991
>>4017223Does Val take off his hands and face before he goes to bed?
>>4017223I like the Orange poster
>>4017221Who the hell is clovismo
>>4017125nice and cute, I like the way her tongue coils around his.>>4017096>, there was that conversation that I'm pretty sure was with you about the topic of oral sex for whatever reason, and I said I don't really find the idea of being on the receiving end of oral to be super interesting or anything, and that conversation was pretty short,I remember that >"holy shit, what the fuck am I talking about?",it's kind of funny to me, but It makes sense. It combines a lot of things you've already expressed interest in, in a new way, with one of your favorite characters.your spirit animal of lewdness or something.>Anyway, I myself didn't even realize that sensory deprivation was a specific kink in and of itself, though I guess it makes sense that it would be, weirder things are.yeah if "large knees" is a kink then this one isn't too surprising even if it's still unusual.
>>4017223neat, I bet Val is looking quite smugly at the screen like it's obvious
>>4017223>>4017227Easy question, Val doesn't wear boxing gloves, also cute Orange poster
It's raining here, and not apocalyptically this time, so it's got me thinking about how a sudden rainy day might go between Clover and various characters on the surface. Martlet fascinated by how much different it is from the constant snow of snowdin, but maybe it brings her energy level down so they just have some hot chocolate as they watch the rainDalv being invigorated by the gloominess of the overcast weather. Not to an absurd amount but maybe he's slightly more chatty that day Clover visits him.Starlo bummed out that they can't go on a mission... maybe going on a mission anyways that gets him an clover sick.Ceroba would probably be the most melancholy of them all, thinking of this surface sight she can't share with chujin, which brings her mind back to what she almost did to Clover underground, and maybe her thoughts are interrupted when Clover gives her a surprise hug around her legs snapping her out of it because he thought she looked like she could use some cheerin up.
>>4017236Monsters already have an idea of how rain acts thanks to Waterfall, no? Anyway I imagine the experience must be quite different since monsters are only used to seeing rain in a single place, things like staying home because of the weather must me alien to them.>maybe it brings her energy level down so they just have some hot chocolate as they watch the rainMartlet probably finds rain to be pretty at first but gets bothered as soon as she realizes she can't fly during the rain.
>>4017237>Monsters already have an idea of how rain acts thanks to Waterfall, no?definitely, but real rain comes with some things unique to it. it changes the atmospheric pressure due to the whole storm system which makes flight harder for birds, fresh rain gives that "brontide and petrichor" scent as it rolls in. Then there's the actual storm clouds and thunder granting completely unique sensation.>Anyway I imagine the experience must be quite different since monsters are only used to seeing rain in a single placeyeah exactly. sure they've seen rain, but surface rain I think would hit different for a variety of reasons.>things like staying home because of the weather must me alien to them.this among them for sure. "If I don't want to get rained on I'll just avoid waterfall right?" hah, no dice, the rain is coming TO YOU.>Martlet probably finds rain to be pretty at first but gets bothered as soon as she realizes she can't fly during the rain.she could probably fly during really light rain, but it would be more exhausting so I imagine she'd quickly come to prefer not flying in it at all.
>>4017223I don't really get how that site works really, do you need an account to post on it?
>>4017262nta but there's a button near the top left "draw some thing and trade with a stranger" and that should be all you need to do I think
>>4017264I made a sketch
>>4017269that you did, that you did.
>>4017272How do you get a link for it it just says waiting for a new sketch to be drawn?
>>4017275hit the little save icon in the bottom right (when you click on it from the gallery) and it pulls up a page link that just has it and should let you save it.I think there's another way but I'm not too familiar with the site.
>>4017276https://noz.rip/sketch/gallery.php#18992I think this is mine?
>>4017277>https://noz.rip/sketch/gallery.php#18991yes that worked.
>>4017278That's not mine
>>4017279that's just the thing where the last thing you have highlighted auto adds to your post. I didn't notice it. you can of course just open the link you posted and see that it did indeed work.
>>4017231>nice and cute, I like the way her tongue coils around his.Glad you liked it. I think one of the suggestions I took had been asking for that, and since I was already planning on making this for a bit now, I just decided to incorporate the idea into this, since I'm not too sure what I would've done with their tongues otherwise.>I remember that Ah, good, I'm not crazy then.>it's kind of funny to me, but It makes sense. It combines a lot of things you've already expressed interest in, in a new wayWait, does it? I mean, the bondage is obviously something I'm into, but the other stuff, the blindfold, the earplugs, the cock-fueled zen state, that was all new, wasn't it? I didn't think I had ever displayed any of that before.Oh god, was this super obvious to everyone but me somehow?>with one of your favorite characters.>your spirit animal of lewdness or something.Well, I guess it makes sense that she would be the one to unlock something new for me like this.I wonder how she'd feel about that though, if she knew she was one of the only ones who could "awaken", for lack of a better word, something like that in me, based entirely on my desires for her.>yeah if "large knees" is a kink then this one isn't too surprising even if it's still unusual.That just made me remember that one Homestuck fanart people used to make fun of back in the day. You know the one.
>>4017282>Wait, does it? I mean, the bondage is obviously something I'm into, but the other stuff, the blindfold, the earplugs, the cock-fueled zen state, that was all new, wasn't it?you have to understand, for the most part those things are very tangential at least, or otherwise assumed to be a part of a lot of the stuff. It feels like it's connected at least a little by the "bondage" umbrella as strange as that feels to say. things that not everyone into that may be into, but things that I think most people aren't going to be shocked like "yeah the bondage guy added blindfolding to his game. that tracks."> and since I was already planning on making this for a bit now, I just decided to incorporate the idea into this, since I'm not too sure what I would've done with their tongues otherwise.nice, two for one specil deal.>I wonder how she'd feel about that though, if she knew she was one of the only ones who could "awaken", for lack of a better word, something like that in me, based entirely on my desires for her.despite her getting beaten in the game of tricks here. that would just mean the game is still on, and she has an ace up her sleeve against you. Assuming she's down for this kind of stuff.>You know the one.I want to say I dont. but I do.
>>4017229clover and gizmo, obvs
>>4017286>clover>gizmo>clovismoWhere's the Z?
>>4017285>but things that I think most people aren't going to be shocked like "yeah the bondage guy added blindfolding to his game. that tracks."Ah, fetish packaging.Yeah, I guess that's actually fair enough, that probably would've seemed like a natural next step to anyone else, it just hadn't occurred to me before.>despite her getting beaten in the game of tricks here. that would just mean the game is still onAh.Well, the idea of her wanting to "get me back" is certainly an exciting one, even if I have no idea what that would constitute.>and she has an ace up her sleeve against you.Does she?>Assuming she's down for this kind of stuff.God I'd hope so.>I want to say I dont. but I do.It's very funny, that such a thing exists. Not particularly pleasant to look at, but it's funny knowing it's out there somewhere.
>>4017125This is great. Quetzali is hot when she wants to be.>>4017223Val's Ultimatum when?
>>4017290>Val's Ultimatum when?"Have I truly become the strongest?"
>>4017223Is that a Strongbad reference?
>>4017295Maybe
>>4017288>Ah.>Well, the idea of her wanting to "get me back" is certainly an exciting one, even if I have no idea what that would constitute.is it trickery if you see it coming? No she'll have plenty of time to concoct a devious plan I'm sure.>Does she?who else could know your weaknesses so well but her>It's very funny, that such a thing exists.>Not particularly pleasant to look at, but it's funny knowing it's out there somewhere.I have to wonder what happens in someones brain to get things to the point that THAT is appealing.
So have you guys managed to get any threads going on /v/? Jannies seem even more active than usual and sniping literally all of them, even the super stealthy ones.
>>4017315there was a good one on saturday that got pruned at like 400+ posts. we're getting caught really hard in the crossfire of the dr thread deletion right now. sadly video game discussion is verboten.
>>4017318oh, but there was a thread with sans as the OP image that made it to like 600 posts before getting deleted which is odd in a special way.
>>4017318>>4017319I think it might be that there's a specific mod that does this and whenever they're asleep/away Deltarune threads can actually live. It might be that they simply coincided with the mod being away
>>4017315>>4017322I think they've installed a client-side script now. There's one guy going into random threads spouting Undertale / Deltarune key words and they get deleted inhumanly quickly. Saw a barafag thread get nuked in real time after one too many delta images. I'm seeing the same thing in Gamemaker threads and Mother franchise threads.
>>4016562I'll tell how I do it personally. I'm pretty good at picking things apart, so if you describe your process and what you struggle with, maybe I can poke at it.In keeping with what the other anon said >>4016599, there are plenty of authors who write the ending first and go backward. Perhaps the most famous and contemporary example is Brandon Sanderson, who frequently cites that as part of his process. It's honestly hard to say if I do this because, by it's very nature, a fanfiction like mine has pre-planned plot points to hit in the form of area bosses, mini-bosses, and the areas themselves. Even so, I would say that there is an element of writing backwards from the ending in my process. I certainly have my ending in mind, but not everything I do is in service to it.Going more into my personal process, I put a lot of stock in using what's right in front of me, and if you look at the planning document for chapter 14+15 in The Librarby, you can see that both chapters start with a barebones, physical description of what is there. There are lots of little things that you can make hay out of just with the environment, and the story itself can hold you accountable for addressing it until you either come up with something creative or admit defeat and skim past it. Using Partners as an example, the minecart ride in the East Mines could have just been skipped, but I took the intermission as a command from the story to do something interesting and so Clover and Martlet had the dire conversation about Asgore and the Fallen Humans, and the missing poster came out and emotionally battered Martlet. Even something as simple the two of them using the lift to get down the mountain after El Bailador's fight, I took as a command to fill the gap. I used a cut-away joke of Clover explaining how blood works to Martlet, which would later pull double-duty in allowing her to better understand Clover's state of health.
>>4016562I use the environment in conjunction with plans for character development, though sometimes it can and will feel like the environment is at war with what you want to talk about. But most of the time, you can make it work out, and it feels like you're discovering something. It can force you to think in unconventional ways and think about the "why" behind some of the things that are taken for granted. Was this topic /really/ natural to the characters, or did my authorial hand touch them and puppet them toward this outcome? Avoiding such puppeteering is crucial. But that's not to say that you can't tweak something to make things go your way; ultimately, your hand is sculpting everything, you just need to maintain the consistency of the creation.As for struggling with conceptualizing the story... I guess you could iterate? I have an updating list of mandatory items for each chapter, in order to keep the plot on pace and the characters moving. You could apply that to the story at large and go downward. What needs to happen for the characters to get to the end? What needs to happen for each of those items to happen? And on and on, until the granularity makes you sick or starts to strangle you, in which case the plan is becoming counter-productive.Hopefully some of this is helpful.
Lambdarune (custom deltarune snippets made back before chapter 3 that tried to predict the game, like RV pines' before he deleted everything) release their snippets for chapter 4https://gamejolt.com/p/lambdarune-chapter-4-installment-1-is-out-let-the-angel-s-power-l-ijfwuric
>>4017342Interesting, I don't thing i've heard of this one. The phrasing "snippets" makes me wonder if they intend to continue this.
>>4017322Generals belong on /vg/.
>>4017374that's nice, weekly threads like ours however aren't generals.
>>4017374and faggots belong in the closet, yet here you are
>>4017377Hey, leave the faggots out of this, that anon just sucks in general.
DELTARUNE MATCH-UP FIGHTS!Deltarune Yellow Axis (lets say he has the same hp as UTY axis to make this match up fairer) vs Deltarune Blue (flower darkner)Who wins!? The darkner parallel to the Integrity killer... or the darkner parallel to the integrity soul!?
>>4017110>They don't have to be finishedThen you'll probably like TS!Underswap, very high quality but it's unfinished.
Didn’t want to turn this into a vent, but here we are.I’ve been growing dissatisfied with the state of these threads for the past year now, and decided to make this post after the recent wave of deletions over on /v/. It’s mainly deltarune being deleted, but UTY got caught in the crossfire and had the same treatment. In fact, it’s gotten to the point where POSTS mentioning DR on /v/ are deleted on other threads.All this caused me to look back and realize that we can’t have honest discussion of UTY on /v/ anymore. Even if we could have fangame threads again, I don’t think UTY focused threads would be allowed because moderation on /v/ has only grown more and more strict over anything UT/DR related.Obviously, this caused a shift in threads to discussing fangames in general, and the focus has drifted away from UTY. I relate this back to /vrpg/ because even without moderation the threads have changed to where they’re essentially no longer about UTY at all.I hate to admit it, but these newer threads have gone in a direction that I always disliked but put up with because of its ties to the old UTY threads. Now I realize it’s kind of just turned into a circlejerk of the same 10 or so anons arguing over trivial topics for thousands of posts. It’s just straight up not the same community that I remember from 2023, neither on /v/ or /vrpg/. (Not to mention, even as a fangame thread a lot of replies are wasted over nothing.)
>>4017374kill yourself trannitor
>>4017403>(Not to mention, even as a fangame thread a lot of replies are wasted over nothing.)it is getting annoying
>>4017403>All this caused me to look back and realize that we can’t have honest discussion of UTY on /v/ anymorewe actually had an UTY focused thread a few weeks ago. was really nice.>Now I realize it’s kind of just turned into a circlejerk of the same 10 or so anons last poll placed us at around 30 people and I'm willing to bet that number has gone up recently.>arguing over trivial topics for thousands of postsdiscussion is mostly on topic with some diversions into off topic shit that gradually comes back in line. It's not as focused on UTY, that's true, but uty topics still get frequently brought up. You should bring up uty related topics more if you feel they need to be discussed more, but the naranja discussion last night was nice.>It’s just straight up not the same community that I remember from 2023, neither on /v/ or /vrpg/.only real difference to me is that it's mellowed out a good bit and of course more fan game discussion has been brought in but I don't see that as a negative.
>>4017403(Continued from my last post)Anyways, I originally made this as a proposal for a new “fangame development” thread, one without the “fluff” of current ones. But thinking about it now, what I really want is to have a proper UTY thread again, essentially starting fresh from whatever the threads on both boards have turned into.It’s more likely now that we may never have an actual UTY thread on /v/ again, unless if it’s some kind of yearly anniversary thread (or some new release, which is unlikely). For now, I’ve considered making one on /vrpg/, but only if there’s enough interest from other anons to actually make it.
Is there a kriselle mod yet
The thing about /vrpg/ is that it's a very slow board, barely gets over 500 posts. You can make any thread you want but it's most likely going to be extremely dead. This thread is basically the one exception.
>>4017413I don't think it's all that realistic to expect a "new" Undertale Yellow discussion. Pretty much anyone that would has said pretty much the extent of what opinions they may have on it for the time being.
>>4017413>It’s more likely now that we may never have an actual UTY thread on /v/ againwe actually had 2 in the last month now that I think about it. The Autism war between jannies and DR will die down eventually like it did last year. Just post about UTY if you have something you want to say about it. There are UTY posts that you could have responded to and the thread hasn't been all that crazy active this time around. UTY is an undertale fangame and this is the proper thread for its discussion.
>>4017403>>4017413I say this as a newfag but I don't think sole focus on a single fangame was ever going to last, at least not with this amount of talk. Even with a little more variety we still have only a few regulars, but enough to the point it doesn't get stale. What are the trivial topics you mean? Fetishes, complaining about Deltarune, or gossip about people rather than discussion of ideas?Personally, I like talking about fangames in general because you see more breadth of discussion which combats that problem you brought up, and also more people to stop by and share interesting tidbits. Anons have been making a bunch of fangames and it's only natural the focus has shifted onto them.Nevertheless the core of these threads has been UTY fairly consistently and I don't see that changing anytime soon, especially since there are always new people who try it and fall in love with it (my friend is one of them). That makes what you propose difficult, because a dedicated UTY thread overlaps enough with what we have now that it'll split attention (with thousands of posts every thread that's not all bad) and crowd the board. /vrpg/ has been our one safe haven so pushing boundaries and having more than one thread at a time gets people nervous.
>>4017417Honestly it’s been a pretty shitty year for fangames as a whole, not counting UTY. Most of the notable ones have either gone quiet or restarted development in some way, and DRY was the only major release this year.Meanwhile, Deltarune discussion has been stronger than ever after the new chapter, at least outside 4chan.
>>4017420>Nevertheless the core of these threads has been UTY fairly consistently and I don't see that changing anytime soon, especially since there are always new people who try it and fall in love with it (my friend is one of them).by any chance is that the guy that came by and said he played uty without ever playing original UT? that was some pretty interesting stuff.It's been nice seeing a handful of people drop by recently giving fangames a shot in light of the new chapter. Not to bitch about the chapter itself, but it was cool for instance seeing that one person treat DRY as a breath of fresh air.>/vrpg/ has been our one safe haven so pushing boundaries and having more than one thread at a time gets people nervous.this though. it's asking for trouble.
>>4017403We had UTY threads not that long ago, besides /vrpg/ stopped being about Yellow years ago, I like UTY but you have to understand that we can't talk about a single fangame forever, we are lucky to have DRY which keeps UTY discussion somewhat relevant.
>>4017326>>4017327nta, but if I can ask to you or anyone else reading this. what about planning out conversations themselves?I usually just go with the flow and write what comes next but I've been getting really stuck on a dialogue that I'm having a lot of trouble writing. Do you ever find yourself applying the greater whole "writing the end first" but with a single conversation or a larger scene?
>>4017403>No longer about UTY at allWhat? Even it was the case, you know that you can always start talking about it yourself?
>>4017422>by any chance is that the guy that came by and said he played uty without ever playing original UT?No, I've been here since October. I don't think my friend has posted in the thread, but he has been a long-time HMOFAg and both UTY and DRY have been medicine for his soul after he played Chapter 5.>we are lucky to have DRY which keeps UTY discussion somewhat relevant.Insanely lucky that it's a faithful adaptation and feels "canon" too. It's not perfect but considering it's developed almost solely by one dude, it's a centerpiece of success.>>4017425I'm the anon that wrote the blurb about having an ending or cool scenes first. When it comes to conversations I try to first jot down lines of dialogue that sound fitting and in-character for the scene and structure it around that. I get caught up on the fluff too since I'm autistic about keeping up with characters' speech mannerisms. I should read Mark Twain again because he was the master when it came to that.
>>4017429>When it comes to conversations I try to first jot down lines of dialogue that sound fitting and in-character for the scene and structure it around that.So like before adding the characters motions, visuals, reactions and so forth just doing the dialogue itself to have that to build off of?I'll give that a shot if thats what you mean. Ive been rewriting this scene over and over, every time I think I know where I want it to go, it slips from me and all the time I spent setting up motions and reactions makes me start to feel lost.
>>4017403>It’s just straight up not the same community that I remember from 2023, neither on /v/ or /vrpg/.It's not 2023 anymore. Times change.UTY isn't a new game anymore, so people have to talk about other things in order to not keep having the same conversations on loop forever, so that's what people did.People still talk about UTY whenever there's something new about it to actually spur conversation, but barring discussions of character analysis, that just usually isn't the case anymore.UTY doesn't have nearly as much content or potential for fan-content as UT itself did, we can't just keep talking about it for ten straight years like people have with UT, and even UT got new official content from Toby with stuff like the alarm clock dialogue, or the little promotional stuff made for Fangamer, or with DR itself.That didn't happen with UTY, and the well's run dry, so it's not as frequently the topic of discussions anymore because there isn't much left to discuss.
>>4017429> I get caught up on the fluff too since I'm autistic about keeping up with characters' speech mannerisms. I should read Mark Twain again because he was the master when it came to that.Oh and also, I've been thinking about who I should read, which is probably the wrong approach when I should just pick something up and start reading, but reading some more peoples work with dialogue is probably a great idea.
>>4017433>That didn't happen with UTY, and the well's run dry, so it's not as frequently the topic of discussions anymore because there isn't much left to discussHonestly I'd say we still get some pretty good mileage out of discussing it despite that when it comes up. Yeah some of it borders on obsessions and all that, but still.
>>4017435Yes, I'm not saying there's nothing new under the sun, I'm just saying there isn't enough left for UTY to be *the* topic of discussion all the time anymore, and it being shifted (somewhat) out of the spotlight is the natural consequence of it not being as new as it once was.
>>4017432When it comes to that little snippet I visualize everything else along with it, but it's just a snapshot in time. I still have to flesh out that conversation and usually get stuck at points. There's also the problem of my attention jumping all over the place which means I struggle to finish writing one scene before I visualize another, often in a completely different work that I haven't started yet.>>4017434>Oh and also, I've been thinking about who I should read, which is probably the wrong approach when I should just pick something up and start reading, but reading some more peoples work with dialogue is probably a great idea.Whatever fits the genre and themes of what you're writing, I suppose. I think reading anything at all will help, and even classic movies and shows will be an aid. A while ago I wanted to write out a dramatic version of DR's Weird Route from Kris's perspective, and that made me pick up Faust for inspiration.
>>4017437Yeah thats fair, I wasnt the anon you originally replied to, it just came to mind. I feel like the frequency its been brought up has been pretty solid lately.I suspect we have less starlofags these days though sadly
>>4017439I mean I find the concept of self appointed -fags a cancer to anonymous discussions, but if you're willing to go as broad as saying people that like starlo are that, there's definitely several around.
>>4017439>Yeah thats fair, I wasnt the anon you originally replied to, it just came to mind.I know, I could tell by how you replied to my post with something other than alarmism at the concept of the passage of time.>I feel like the frequency its been brought up has been pretty solid lately.Yeah, I feel like it's been discussed a decent bit for a game that's remained the same as it was since it first came out, there really isn't anything to be panicking about.
>>4017441>but if you're willing to go as broad as saying people that like starlo are that, there's definitely several around.Yeah im just running with the old-old 4chan approach. Everything is some kind of " "fag. Nothing really meant by it.But yeah theres still people that like him, but I remember there were some drawfags that drew him a lot.
Well, I’ve thought about it earnestly and I’m still not sure if I should make a UTY thread for /vrpg/.I can say that the current state of these threads has been an overall mess, and even if we stuck to one thread that’s unlikely to change. Anons grew too attached to the /vrpg/ threads and started treating it like the ones on /v/, which is how you get consistent 3k reply threads.Again, I hate this current format, but I realize that I’m in the minority here and most anons in fact love it for some reason. This is why I first wanted to make a new “development thread” dedicated to actual devanons to post their work and updates on other fangames. Even with less traffic, I view this as more of a “quality” thread over the general discussion going on now.As for UTY, I’m not sure why, but I think it would work better as a “long reply thread” over general fangames, which has little to talk about outside of development. I think the better case is a low traffic thread with more quality replies, but that’s just my opinion.At the very least, I’m considering another thread. If anons don’t want this thread to change, then there’s really nothing I can do except start over somewhere else.
>>4017445>" "fagI don't know how, but you somehow managed to put your quotation marks around nothing, and have the word entirely outside them.
>>4017446Nothing stops you from talking about UTY here
>>4017446>At the very least, I’m considering another thread. If anons don’t want this thread to change, then there’s really nothing I can do except start over somewhere else.Anon, don't. That'll just bring trouble for you and for us.Look, anon, I'm gonna be real with you.If you want to talk about UTY, talk about UTY. Basically everyone here still likes it to some extent, so if your chosen topic is interesting enough, people are gonna want to engage, but you can't just expect people to keep wanting to talk about one single game for nearly three years straight when the game in question is a singleplayer game with maybe a dozen or so hours of content, and not something that actually has new things to discuss on a regular basis, that's just not a reasonable expectation to have of other people.
>>4017446Say, you aren't Oldentale anon, are you?
>>4017448that was intentional for an insert word here, though I guess the correct way to frame it would have been "xyzfag" instead.
>>4017455or hyphenate it, since it's a suffix.
>>4017446most people are pretty happy about the balance of the discussion that goes on around here, and the uty discussion that does still manage to pop up contributes to the game dev discussion, works as character analysis to build better characters for games and fics, and ultimately I think all that's likely to happen, is the people who didn't want what you're doing, are going to continue posting as they already were, ignoring the precedent you're trying to set because they didn't see the value in what you're 'selling' in the first place.
>>4017429>No, I've been here since October. I don't think my friend has posted in the thread, but he has been a long-time HMOFAg and both UTY and DRY have been medicine for his soul after he played Chapter 5.ah fair, it was a shot in the dark but I guess this fit the bill for more than one person out there.>Insanely lucky that it's a faithful adaptation and feels "canon" too. I know that some people disagree with that, with a few differing opinions on dry, but I agree overall myself. it feels like it's making that effort to be consistent. I really want to see what things will look like when we have 2 playable DRYs.
Hey, anyone have Bedo's sprite sheet on hand?I'd grab it myself, but it looks like I've misplaced it somehow.
>>4017454I highly doubt that's him, Oldentale anon only played UTY recently, and he's one of the anons that talks the most about fangame and ideas in general
>>4017473Yeah, that's probably right, I was just worried for a sec.
>>4017471Here you go.
>>4017477Thanks anon.
>>4017438>Whatever fits the genre and themes of what you're writing, I suppose. I think reading anything at all will help, and even classic movies and shows will be an aid. A while ago I wanted to write out a dramatic version of DR's Weird Route from Kris's perspective, and that made me pick up Faust for inspiration.that makes sense. I've been thinking of picking up discworld because I hear it's got a solid mishmash of things that might be fitting for the crazy kinds of worlds ut related stuff has.
if you really want to post on /v/, use the Speedstorm threads. for some reason, those are never deleted no matter how many threads he makes. sometimes he'll make 2-3 threads on the catalog at the same time and they all stay
>>4017477Touch Bedo's spongy tail
>>4017485We could just try seeing how this next weekend goes, then determine a course of action after.
>>4017482NTA, but that's a very good idea, I remember suggesting that to someone some time last year.
>>4017488this will probably take more than a single week to blow over, but all things pass. I was getting very tricky with my threads last time this happened but I backed off on that when someone started getting frustrated at it. But desperate times call for autistic measures.
>>4017490I've been interested ever since I saw deaths(?) speech from the hogfather. I just don't know the first thing about the series other than that.
>>4017496>I've been interested ever since I saw deaths(?) speech from the hogfather.Ah, it is possible you may be the very anon I posted that towards.I would highly recommend the movies along with the books, even if you've read the books the movies are based on, simply because they're really rather excellent.If you're getting into the series, start with The Colour of Magic, then The Light Fantastic, as those are the first books in the series.The movie is also an acceptable starting point, if you prefer it.
>>4017500>Ah, it is possible you may be the very anon I posted that towardsI'm not but I saw the discussion I think you're talking about. It's been on my mind but I've had that shitty indecision paralysis or whatever stupid nonsense where I can't decide "should I start this book or some other series?".>If you're getting into the series, start with The Colour of Magic, then The Light Fantastic, as those are the first books in the series.I'll check them out, I'll get over that indecision and just pick them up. thanks anon.>The movie is also an acceptable starting point, if you prefer it.while I know someone suggested that watching stuff could help with writing, I think that getting some reading done might help my writing more right now. I need to expose myself to writing styles and things like that.
>>4017500>Ah, it is possible you may be the very anon I posted that towards.That was me, I've already read The Colour of Magic, it was alright, had some fun moments and the world building got some really unique ideas, I haven't started The Light Fantastic yet, but I've heard that TCoM is the "worst" book in the series (compared to the rest) so I'm interested in seeing how good the next books are.
>>4016599Sorry I forgot to reply so far anon. I only have a few scenes in my mind so far about the rest of the story and I'm having a hard time thinking things out. I'm well aware just how good you are at picking things apart >>4017326 , after all you have done many many times before for me I'm Valravn anon . The thing is, so far I've mostly done everything by the seat of my pants, with some barebone ideas as to what I want to write in like clovah remembering everything, valravn getting healed, everyone getting a happy ending but now i have reached a point in the story I haven't thought further beyond really and it's something I should really figure out, if I want to have a coherent and satisfying story. I'll have to check out the Librarby doc to see how you did it.>>4017327I guess making a list per chapter would be good as well, but first I think I would need to get broad ideas down, maybe scenes like the first anon suggested. I would be down to talk about things in depth, but at the same time, I don't want to spoil the rest of the story in the thread.
>>4017503>I'm not but I saw the discussion I think you're talking about.Ah, well, good enough anyway.>I'll check them out, I'll get over that indecision and just pick them up. thanks anon.I hope you'll enjoy them, I think they're a decent match for the kind of tone and world people often go for with UT related stuff, in some areas anyway.>while I know someone suggested that watching stuff could help with writing, I think that getting some reading done might help my writing more right now. I need to expose myself to writing styles and things like that.Understandable.I would still recommend watching them at some point after you read the books though, since they're still very good movies.
>>4017509>That was me, I've already read The Colour of Magic, it was alright, had some fun moments and the world building got some really unique ideasGlad you got something out of it.>I've heard that TCoM is the "worst" book in the series (compared to the rest) so I'm interested in seeing how good the next books are.Well, the series did have to start somewhere.It's admittedly been some time since I last read the series, but I remember Pyramids and Equal Rites being very good, and I don't believe you need to have read anything in particular before either of those two.Oh, while I'm at it, the Discworld adventure game from back in the day may also be worth a look, to see how one would set about applying that kind of writing to a video game.
>>4017403>anons arguing over trivial topics for thousands of posts.>lot of replies are wasted over nothingngl this is my favorite part of the thread, since it means infinite bumps and entertainment
>>4017421We've gotten a bunch of new fangames this year.
>>4017475You crash out once and everybody assumes every crash out is you.
>>4017548Didn't mean anything by it, just a worse case scenario.Besides, I had to be on the other end of that sword before anyway.
>>4016950Rage, fury, irritation.
I'm currently working on an Undertale Battle simulator like many other Devanons have in these threads, and I just want to say how much I loathe Toby's decision to make his games 30 fps because once you feel what 60 fps Undertale feels like there's no going back. Make your game 60 fps, please.
>>4017613Don't do that, instead be a man and tie your game's FPS to your computer's CPU speed.
>>4017614pro UTDR players buying the slowest computers that can run windows 7 they can to fight kaizo bosses in slow motion
>>4017613I honestly can't tell the difference between 60 fps Undertale and 30 fps, I can with other games, but not this one.Which is why I made mine run at 60 fps.
>>4017403This place is just /utg2/ at certain points
>>4017634Both here and /utg/ are only bad due to the /v/fags convering here post-release. Give us a month and quality will circle back to these places.
>>4017613I've seen some people complain about DRY running at 60 fps and call it weird/off since they are so used to most fangames using krystal or something which is pretty much just a port of DR 1:1
>>4017634You really don't know what /utg/ is like if you even think about comparing here to thereSure the fetish talk can be annoying but that happens everywhere in this site, and fangames don't update constantly to give new topics to talk about, so eventually discussion will veer towards it (since talking about it anywhere on the internet will get you side glances or just be "downvoted")You either just learn how to "deal with it" and just mentally filter the posts and find the discussion you want to contribute to, or you just leave the site (which is also a hard feat when everywhere else online keeps getting worse by the way)I know it feels frustrating when you actually effortpost and want actual discussion just for it to be buried under tons of fetish posts but that's just how things are in this site. You just need to try harder next time to attract genuine discussionReally is a dilemma
>>4017704Most non fetish discussion gets replied to anyways. I feel like it's pretty uncommon for a given discussion to not get at least one reply, and if it doesnt go beyond that then I blame the original poster for to replying in turn.I also think a lot of this is nonsense because casual on topic conversations about fanfics have gotten the flack as if it was the shitposting because people looking for reasons to complain don't even read the posts in the thread half the time.>>4017699Switching fps feels worse than dealing with a bad fps, but that feeling goes away pretty quickly I feel like. I remember loving bloodborn so I hooked up the dusty console to play it, and getting blasted by 30 fps despite playing through the game before fucked me up due to my time on pc
>>4017678You'd be making a better point if /utg/ didn't constantly beg for posters here or on /v/ to come over because they can't stand themselves.Or if there wasn't a fag from /vg/ that comes over here to bitch about you know who all the time.
>>4017711>and if it doesnt go beyond that then I blame the original poster for to replying in turn.I feel like that is also part of it, I always try to think of a thoughtful reply to encourage discussion but most of the time I get 0 replies and then it just dies there (which makes me think I'm just a boring person)Sometimes it feels pointless to even try but I still do because I do have some hope that something could happen, and the few times where discussion does spark make up for that, so I just keep trying and trying
>>4017716on the contrary. /utg/ vermin complain day and night about "/v/ tourists" that sound different from their thread personalities.>respect ower cultuah, ower pronawhns, an' ower authoritah, BIGOTnobody from /v/ wants to post there and nobody nestled in /utg/ can tolerate /v/nons not engaging with ERP or suicidal blogposting. Genuinely deranged fujos obsessed with "moids", pippinshit and bloodplay live there. Fucking ew.
>>4017721>(which makes me think I'm just a boring person) Nah its just one of those things where sometimes people don't have ideas in their mind for the topics. I try to reply to things and get conversations going too and sometimes it goes nowhere and other times it goes far>and the few times where discussion does spark make up for that, so I just keep trying and tryingAnd I agree wholeheartedly. Cant control what topics will take off but I try here and there and see where it goes.I do think a lot of the complaints people have about no one wanting to talk about yellow here are unfounded though since we actually talk about it a lot, and I have to wonder what qualifies as discussion if fics, character exploration and ideas for what yellow could have done differently which we somehow manage to still carry solid conversations on are somehow not qualified.But either way keep on with the effort posts, Im going to be working in a minute, but I've always got the uty and related autism on standby
>>4017725There's only two answers for people who compare this place to /vg/.People who are no longer, or not able to be familiar with what /vg/ is likeAnd people saying it as a demoralization tactic./vg/ likes itself the way they are and there are posts about new people ruining their board every time a chapter comes out even when its just on topic discussion
>>4017613I can't play Undertale fangames in 60 fps. Its feel gross, borderline nauseating. I can play other games at that FPS, but for some reason Undertale just feels gross at 60. I get the same effect from watching 60 fps video.So I'm gonna say please don't force the game to 60fps or I won't be able to play it. If you're gonna program it to run at 60 fps internally, at least add a frame skip option so it can draw at 30 fps.
>>4017745have you played DRY? if so, what was your opinion on the default 60 FPS mode and the 30 FPS one?
>>4017699MY complaint about DRY's fps was that it gave me motion sickness. >but that feeling goes away pretty quickly I feel likeIt doesn't for me. I still to this day have to force YouTube to play 480p because I can't tolerate 60 fps video.
>>4017745Nta, but as a non programmer, is frame skip a simple thing to implement? I assume it is but reading this just got me curious is all. I remember emulators always having the option way back
>>4017749most engines still have their main process loop tied to framerate, but there usually is a separated "physics step" that is independentthe go to advice is to "multiply everything by delta time" since that is the time it took to render each frame, so multiplying it by 60 (regardless of FPS) will give you a value that at 60 FPS will be close to 1, while at 30 will be 2, and 120 FPS will be 0.5, etcthat way it keeps stuff even on the main loop kinda framerate consistent by multiplying the differencebut if you really need it to be separated from the framerate you need the physics step/a separated thread that runs at consistent time as much as possible
>>4017747It made me sick. I had to force 30 fps and live with the bugs it caused, and there were a lot.>>4017749It shouldn't be too hard, you just draw one frame, then don't draw the next one, then draw the one after that. If you've already got code to count frames for an FPS lock, then you can pretty easily add code to only draw every other frame.
>>4017753>It made me sick. I had to force 30 fps and live with the bugs it caused, and there were a lot.did you try version 0.2.2 on gamejolt? that one fixed I think most 30 FPS major bugs
>>4017752Interesting, thank you for the detailed response despite me not being really in the know on these things.So ultimately in most cases it's not an arduous process to implement
>>4017752other anon, that's not really related to the question though. Frameskipping would be done after the physics have already been calculated. All it would change is how many of those frames it did the math for actually get drawn on screen.
>>4017757as I said this is for most engines (godot, unity, maybe gamemaker), if you are making your own engine then you have to implement it yourself and then you can choose to just have the render pipeline separated from the actual code processing, but AFAIK that isn't easy to do on most engines
To any Devanons who haven't done so yet, look at Undertale Yellow's code in Undertale Mod Tool, however sloppy or inefficient you think your code is, it cannot be half as bad as UTY. 75% of the objects are totally redundant, copy pasted code instead of inheritance throughout the whole game. It's disgusting. I cannot believe they finished development.
>>4017759Oh, yeah I suppose I was only thinking of programming your own engine. Its horrible how much pre-made engines can make trivially easy things become terribly complex.
>>4017765is it worse than Undertale's code tho?
>>4017765I don't know how gamemaker works fully and all I've seen is just some snippets of how UT/DR works, but I think it's a bad move to teach new devs that each object should hold its own script, because that can get bloated fastYou should ever only do that if that code really is used ONCE in the entire game, if you repeat it even twice then it's better to offload it to a global script and load it there, try to avoid using object specific scripts as much as possible
>>4017765Didnt yellow even change coders at some point during development? I imagine something like thay would make the problem worse
>>4017613I'm inclined to agree. I've been playing Majora's Mask on the recomp lately, and enabling the original's 20 FPS lock genuinely gives me motion sickness. 60 is a godsend, looking forward to 240 when I get the chance.>>4017759In a general purpose engine, wouldn't putting your entity update code in the physics step effectively accomplish this?
So if Deltarune is so large for Gamemaker that its chapters need to be chopped up into individual pieces treated as their own games, how will fangames avoid this pitfall if they happen to use the same engine? It's one irrational worry that's been in the back of my mind for some time now
Okay, so Deltarune had action adventure and platformer segments. I think DRY should have a first-person segment at some point, either a shooter or a blobber.
>>4017816The vast majority of fangames won't even try being larger than Undertale, let alone be as big a Deltarune, this shouldn't be an actual worry, so far DRY1 and Deltatraveler have been the only ones trying to make something of that size, neither of them uses Gamemaker
>>4017817Making a Doom style FPS in Godot is relatively easy, so easy that I've been thinking of adding one section based on that to my fangame, even if it doesn't fit that much.
>>4017816I've heard some people say that Deltarune's codebase is pretty badly organised (ie. similar to how >>4017765 described UTY), and that with better architecture that may not even have been a problem. But I don't know if that's true.
>>401761360 fps is alright in battles, but due to the pixel nature of undertale as media, game can feel blury when there is a lot going on screen. When I played DRY, it genuinely felt like playing first person shooter with motion blur. It could be also related to godot, as I have played quite a few web browser games on that engine and almost all of them had similiar issue.
>>4017816Don't make their game as big as Deltarune. Deltarune is way long as is.
>>4017820>even if it doesn't fit that much.If it doesn't fit then don't do it. You should be judging things based on how much they add to the game, not by how easy they are to implement.
>>4017825>it genuinely felt like playing first person shooter with motion blur.Maybe that's what bothered me about DRY. I hate motion blur too, always turn it off when I can.
>>4017829I actually had a decent idea on how it could go, I was thinking of it being like a horror section, it would play like Doom but with fists only, I might still do it, even if DRY1anon decides to use the FPS idea first (which he should)
>>4017832>I was thinking of it being like a horror section, it would play like Doom but with fists only,Reminds me of Ghoul's ForestAnyways, I'm just saying, if it does fit that's fine, but actually make sure it does fit. Don't just do it because you can.
>>4017817there will be some gameplay gimmicks in ch 3 but they won't be anywhere near the entire sidescrolling thing from DR ch 5
>>4017817There is a non zero chance that there will be a carmageddon type thing in DRY chapter 3
>>4017825>It could be also related to godot, as I have played quite a few web browser games on that engine and almost all of them had similiar issue.That may be possible. Godot only fairly recently added physics interpolation (which should reduce jittering), and it's off by default. I don't know if DRY or any of those other games use it.
>>4017847>>4017825I had noticed some blurriness at the edges of the screen while moving but I assumed that was due to my monitor settings or something, I will look into the interpolation thing and see if I can mitigate it
Someone said it earlier in the thread, but it is insane how this year has been so dead for plenty of fangames releasing. Like yeah, there has been a few VNs here and there, but for full on deltarune/undertale games, it's been really slim. For me personally I'm wondering if ts!underswap will ever be finished with how long it's taken for the third section to release. Doesn't help so much retarded controversry and bullshit (even with some of it being warranted like having your dev server being on fuckin discord) has made it take even longer to come out.
>>4017867The Snowdin curse is real, even if you dress it up and call it by a different name. Makes one think it was a miracle Undertale came out at all
>>4017867>>4017870Didnt frostveil, Soulblazers and lost deltarune come out this year? They arent as long as uty or something but theres nothing that long outside of dry and maybe deltatraveler?
>>4017769Here's some stats regarding Undertale and Undertale YellowUndertale has:-2.6k sprite assets-6.5k texture page items-1.7k objects (arguably excessive)-427 scriptsUndertale Yellow has:-3.8k sprite assets-18.7k texture page items-3.2k objects (This is insane)-1.7k script filesIt's worth noting that Yellow doesn't have a monster parent object, everything must be redefined per monster AND per battle, so duo fights require reprogramming the enemy from scratch with code to match the fight. every monster text box in battle has it's code copy pasted in from the previous and all dialogue logic must be set manually. It is near impossible to work with. My advice for modders is to start from scratch with your own battle system. The dialogue also requires line breaks to be manually input using the # sign. Support for colored text is jerry rigged and barely functions. The wavy text used by the robot in the steamworks uses entirely different code. It's a mess. Undertale is surprisingly concise even if it's pretty spaghetti, the only truly egregious example in Undertale is the 10000 line text script for every line in the game, completely unnecessary, I don't know why Toby did that.
>>4017876I've always heard Undertale was poorly coded, I had no idea UTY was like that as well, but it kinda makes sense, they were kids when the project started
>>4017876As a nocoder, its hard to truly grasp this beyond the comparison to undertale, but yellow having 2-3 times as much in places sounds fascinating.Like I dont know what "objects " actually are and what defines excessive. However reading what you said has once again made me think about the duo roba starlo fight we never got.
So how does Undertale Yellow compares to Undertale and Deltarune? Is good or is Chapter 5 tier?
>>4017885As the kids would put it? Hype Moments and Aura, but hold the Good Writing
>>4017885Yellow is a grand old time. It has flaws for damn sure and many people still have issues with one of the endings, but its a sincere effort from beginning to end.Most feel the beginning is kind of weak too.Less cohesive than undertale but it still accomplished most of what it set out to do.
>>4017885I wholeheartedly think it's pretty good, but /v/ and /vrpg/ tend to be more critical in terms of writing. Particularly with how it handled it's pacifist route
>>4017885The closest thing Toby has to Yellow is Deltarune chapter 1. Yellow has vibes and superb music. The story is lacking however. And the gameplay ranges from boringly easy to difficult in a bullshit way. Despite it's flaws I have fonder memories of Yellow (and especially the early fandom that spawned on /v/ after it's release) than Chapters 3&4, and especially Chapter 5.
>>4017885Gameplay is really good, harder than Undertale, the writing feels weaker at times but still managed to make me care about the characters, geno route is kino and pacifist has its issues
>>4017888What's wrong with the pacifist route? I always play pacifist in UT/DR. I personally don't care that much about gimmicks and more about writing characters and the ending being compelling so if the ending is shit that's a bust for me
>>4017890>And the gameplay ranges from boringly easy to difficult in a bullshit way.What fights are you saying are bullshit if you dont mind me asking?Im nta but im gonna use a save editor to fight zartlet soon and Im curious if you mean that.
>>4017893The ending + missed potential. I won't spoil it but if you ever finish it on that route, you'll see why.
>>4017893The ending is certainly emotional, but there are issues with it that some people dont consider a problem and other people.have been inspired to rewrite the ending because of.Im not going to spoil it in its entirety but the common complaint is that characters act out of character at the last minute to make this ending work, instead of reaching the same 'goal' a more sensible way
>>4017893The ending is emotional when you see it for the first time, but as soon as its over you begin to notice things
>>4017895>>4017898>>4017899Mmm I think I'm giving it a try. As long as the ending is not "rock falls everyone dies" or cuckfest like CH5 I'm good. Thx anons
>>4017867Don't forget how UTY took 7 years to be finished.
>>4017894Geno Ceroba's red beam attacks have almost zero telegraphing and lower your max hp, and almost all of Zenith's attacks are borderline undodgeable, you just need to out-heal her, so save your besting healing items for the final fight and use up all your junk heals on Axis and Ceroba.
>>4017901> "rock falls everyone dies" or cuckfest like CH5 I'm good. Its neither of those, but I bet everyone would love to hear your thoughts when you do play through it anon.I think most everyone here agrees that yellow isnt perfect, but we still love a lot of what it did.
>>4017904>Geno Ceroba's red beam attacks have almost zero telegraphing and lower your max hpSadly I cant save edit myself out of having to shoot my bro starlo.>and almost all of Zenith's attacks are borderline undodgeableI've seen there are people who have no hit her but I imagine that takes some dedication to pull off
>>4017906I'll be back once I play it either in this thread or the next if this one dies
>>4017910Nice, I hope you're able to have some fun with it then anon
>>4017904>Geno Ceroba's red beam attacks have almost zero telegraphing and lower your max hpThis fight mimics Sans. Her patterns don't change, you just need to memorise them. Flowey even tells you this.
Hey, Naranjadev, I've got a question if you're around.How tall would you say Bedo is exactly, compared to the average adult human male?I know her sprites are definitely very short, but I'm curious as to how short she is specifically, for the sake of proportions and whatnot, drawing stuff.
>>4017958>How tall would you say Bedo is exactly, compared to the average adult human male?About one head shorter than the average male I'd say, I had Sans's height in mind when I drew her, but you're free to exaggerate that height if you want, I've seen people depicting Mooch, Sans and Mo being half the size of characters like Martlet (who should be around the height of an adult male) height in the Undertale fandom is more based on vibes rather than just the sprite.
>>4017979NTA, but I thought she would be Val sized. Are you sure you got the correct character hights, feels a bit weird
>>4017980>NTA, but I thought she would be Val sized.Well, her sprite is Val sized, just like one pixel shorter where the eyes start.>Are you sure you got the correct character hights, feels a bit weirdWhat I said, height is a social construct, the smaller the overworld sprite, the harder it becomes to represent its accurate size, so take the overworld sprites as a rough estimate of the characters heights, like the example I gave with Mooch and Mo, those characters feel shorter than they actually are in game.
>>4017979Alright, thanks. I'm not sure how obvious her general scale will be in the drawing I'm making, since there won't be an entire other person to compare to, but I'll try and adhere to this as best I can.Only thing that'll really be "exaggerated" will probably just be her bodily proportions, but you know how it is.
>>4017984>height is a social constructWhatever makes her feel better all the way down there.
>>4017984>height is a social constructBedo...
>>4017999>>4018000When you can use magic, height only weights you down
>>4018001I think you are just fat, Bedo.That's what weights you down
>>4018002How do you know she's fat? Maybe she's storing toxins, like any sea bunny would.
>>4017425I very much apply the ending-first method in dialogue, especially for mandatory items.Drawing once again from Partners (mild spoilers for chapter 16), the break room conversation was one of the most difficult dialogue scenes I had to write, and was in fact among the most difficult scenes I've written, period. This was because I needed to hit sooooooo many different points in order to keep character arcs on-pace and set up future plot points. The mandatory items list was thus:- green magic- Starlo hiding behind North Star- Ceroba misunderstanding Starlo/North Star- Ceroba slips and reveals her antipathy for humans/prompt Clover to consider where the feeling of obligation to destroy his SOUL came from-- This was damage control for a continuity error I made, where Clover failed to realize that Ceroba couldn't have known about SOUL rejection before trying to absorb him, herself... unless she was involved in a different absorption attempt.- Accidental magic damageEverything in the breakroom scene was aimed at achieving these goals, and I had to make huge efforts to link everything together logically.
>>4018024I also consider character arcs and character relationships over longer periods, and plan conversation topics accordingly, but loosely. Martlet and Clover's emergency relationship repair was planned from the start of the Dunes:First dunebud encounter forces acknowledgment of monsters as a hazard->East Mines has calmer conversations in between low-stakes adventuring to keep tension from boiling over; both parties advance their moral positions while capitulating on a significant point -> El Bailador builds on Dunebud encounter; Martlet loses her shit on Clover's behalf->tension falls again, with Martlet and Clover finally having a few inches of common ground; conversations become less combative...Then the second act low point happens in the Wild East and blows everything up.And the planning really was about that loose. Some stuff appeared unexpectedly, but the general shape of what I wanted remained largely unchanged. I knew I wanted them to trust each other by the time they entered the Wild East, and so I worked backward to create points of progression to that effect.Obviously, some stuff was completely spontaneous, and some of that wasn't even in service to my plan, but just about anything can be used to build on something later.
>>4017531Oh hey, it's been a while since we last spoke. Or maybe it hasn't. I'm not so good at recognizing anons.So you've reached the end of your initial vision? I can't say that I'm familiar with this particular problem, but I suppose you could think about theme. Is there a message you want to get across? Something personal you want to communicate? That could help you inform the ending you go for, and how you go for it. I understand if you can't respond much further; I'm quite familiar with the dance of not spoiling your own work.As for my picking things apart... I can't help but feel like I come off as harsh. Or maybe this is the veritable zoo of mind goblins I have when it comes to social interactions. But if you've read my replies to the Oyajin green, you can see that this really is just the way I am. I'm not good at praising things.>>4017429>>4017434Not any of the anons in the book rec conversation, but I finished the first three books of The Witcher and those have some of the best dialogue I've ever encountered. Also surprisingly funny; that series could be a study on how to weave humor and horror. There's literally a joke in the middle of a deadly battle and it manages to be incredibly funny and somehow not detract from the scene.
>>4014206>>4014213In chapter 4, you tell Onion about the existence of dark worlds in which prompts her to give you an onion seed for the next chapter, so that someone like her would go to the dark world. This onion seed was taken straight from her and contains every memory, personality, and appearance of Onion. (YOU) keep the seeds until the next chapter, where (YOU) give them to Asgore. Next, when (YOU) enter the dark world with the fun gang, (YOU) will get to see that the seeds turned into a clone of Onion. However, considering that Onion still has the name you gave her, the clone does not. However, later in the chapter, When the Onion clone wonders what her name is, Flowery decides to give her the name Onionsan, as it is later revealed that the pleasantly plump Onion clone is actually the Onionsan we see in Undertale. To not confuse the two. Dark world onion/undertale onion: Onionsan. Deltarune Onion: Onion.
>>4017885Its about on par with Undertale for most of it, then everyone starts taking retard pills in one of the endings. Still that's only one ending out of 4 where the cast turn stupid, so its better than Deltarune on that front, and even its lowest lows still don't involve yuri, so that's another thing it has over Deltarune.UTY at its absolute worst is still better than chapter 5.
>>4018011She stores toxins in her big fat boobs and belly?Awesome.
>>4018024>The mandatory items list was thus: >- green magic >- Starlo hiding behind North Star >- Ceroba misunderstanding Starlo/North Star >- Ceroba slips and reveals her antipathy for humans/prompt Clover to consider where the feeling of obligation to destroy his SOUL came fromYeah, when I think about it, there's probably multiple goals you can have in character conversations. Casual banter between characters can probably work off the hip while still developing the personalities, but I guess whats been getting me stuck is the current dialogue feels like its supposed to "accomplish something" and without sitting down and plotting it out, I dont know if I even fully know what it's accomplishing. >Everything in the breakroom scene was aimed at achieving these goals, and I had to make huge efforts to link everything together logically.That makes sense, but I have to assume not every dialogue makes you have to jump to such great lengths?>>4018026>Not any of the anons in the book rec conversation, but I finished the first three books of The Witcher and those have some of the best dialogue I've ever encountered. Also surprisingly funny; that series could be a study on how to weave humor and horror. There's literally a joke in the middle of a deadly battle and it manages to be incredibly funny and somehow not detract from the scene.I'll put this on my to-read list, though Im surprised to hear that. Nothing against the witcher, but you don't hear that too often of translations these days (at least it seems that way to me).
>>4018026>So you've reached the end of your initial vision? Pretty much, yeah. When I first thought of the concept, when I submitted the idea for a writing secret santa, my mind started thinking about the concept. Back then all I figured was the faithful meeting of Valravn crashing into the paci ending. Then, when I got the go-ahead to spin my own take of how Zenmart meeting paci Clover would go, I thought of one huge thing, the end goal. To get a happy ending for them all and the first step was making sure she doesn't become a slurry, which I've achieved. But now I'm stuck on the rest. The idea I had would have been a bit underwhelming and anticlimatic, so I gotta figure things out. If you know of a way we could communicate privately I feel that could be easier.
>>4017885I know you already decided to play it, but I think it's about as good as Undertale and my second least favourite chapter of Deltarune (3). I'd describe all as good games with high highs and low lows: a mixture of great and bad ideas, but enough done right to be enjoyable and charming.
I wrote this a while ago and never posted it, so here's this.I will explain nothing.>Clover had completed their mission. Justice had been served throughout the underground, and monsterkind had been made to pay for the human lives they stole.>They had made short work of all who stood in their way, and Asgore, the king of all monsters, had been reduced to little more than dust blowing away in the ambient breeze.>Clover proceeded to the barrier room, and released the five human souls from their prisons.>Having finally found what they came for, they passed through the magical barrier that imprisoned the undergrounds inhabitants, but found something else standing in their way.>What they did not find, was the rest of the world. It had been, in an instant, replaced, for a perfectly sealed box, textured with neon green lines and black squares.>Shocked by the sudden change in their surroundings, Clover turned to face the only thing in the room with them. They couldn't tell what it was, it wasn't a kind of monster they had ever seen before.>It appeared as a large blue exclamation mark, surrounded by brackets.>Before Clover could say anything, the being before them began to speak.>"The Entity is very displeased with your conduct, fleshling.">Clover didn't understand anything that was happening, and immediately asked where they were, and who the being in front of them was.>"We have observed your spree of violence throughout the underground, as well as the murder of Asgore Dreemurr. We have interpreted this as a deliberate attempt to violate the continuity of the construct.">Continuity? Clover had known of the concept of saving and loading, with Flowey having saved for them throughout their journey, but this thing didn't seem to be referring to that.>"By removing the key figure Asgore Dreemurr from the timeline, you have caused this world to deviate from its intended path, creating an unsupported reality branch. This world has no future."
>>4018122>"Though we greatly prefer to simply observe as the world continues along its path, we cannot abide the wanton creation of unsupported reality branches. As such, we shall trim this branch immediately.">Clover suddenly understood what was going on. This was clearly some kind of powerful monster, more esoteric than anything they had encountered previously, attempting to judge *them* for having delivered justice to the savage beasts of the underground.>Acting fast, the cowboy unleashed their soul's power, firing a beam brighter than the sun towards the being, pouring all of their energy, all of their will, and all of their judgement into the concentrated beam of anger.>As the light dimmed and the smoke cleared, the being appeared perfectly unharmed, and the room around it was entirely unchanged.>"The Entity is beyond your ability to harm, fleshling. You have no power here.">"Though The Entity is greatly amused by your attempts at combat, we grow tired of your continued existence.">Having used their turn to attack, Clover braced to defend against whatever this strange monster would throw at them, expecting to face attacks more difficult than anything they had surpassed before.>"The Entity has no need for traditional attacks in order to terminate your existence. We have script functions for that.">"You may prepare for your termination in five, four, three, two, one.">As soon as the mysterious being concluded its countdown, Clover felt a sudden sting of pain, as their soul began to fracture and break within their own body.>They collapsed on the ground, the life fading from their eyes, as the being simply sat in its fixed position, floating in the air.>Clover was dead, their corpse lying still on the ground, before fading away into thin air.>Time had been set back, to before they ever entered the underground to begin with. >"All is well. We are not like the others.">The entity vanished.To whom it may concern, this was titled "Clover vs [!]".
>>4018122>>4018123Fucking esoteric time janny monsters
>>4018123What is this a reference to?
So, Deltarune thread on /pol/ just happened and it was a great success. If situation on /v/ does not improves, maybe weekly UTY threads should go there as well?
>>4018247No.
>>4018247I'm not sure what kind of effect each post having a flag and a unique ID would have, but I don't like it, we could do one as a gimmick, but that's it
>>4018247Christ, just host it on /trash/ like we used to
>>4018283that makes a moderate amount of sense, it would eventually become a porn thread, but its better than nothing
>>4018258Just think about the type of posters it would invite. We already have enough of a problem with shitposters, we don't need more.>>4018283>>4018287I think the /vrpg/ thread works fine as a bunker until things on /v/ calm down.
>>4018247Fuck that and fuck you for suggesting it.
>>4018122>clover finds the one route he survives in>gets time janniedOh those fuckers
>>4018247That's the worst idea I've heard all year holy shit.Also a dr thread got to bump limit today on /v/ too.Things will eventually calm down as they always do. Its not the first time we've dealt with our threads being deleted on sight despite not being generals
>>4018306Interesting thing I noticed about that thread is that it didn't get lanced until anons notice some deliberate shittery going on.>susellefag attempts to stir the pot between Kriselle and Krusie>fails>attempts to pit pinkfags against everyone else>fails>melts down>attempts to defend suselle>anons start noticing>melts down harder and attempts to pit yellow and regular threads against each other again>anons notice harder>anons start shittalking /utg/>thread gets lanced 100 posts past bump limit on page 8.
Thinkin bout Zartlet. About having a dream where she came to the surface to collect souls herself. Having difficulty shaking the way she looked at you in the dream from your mind. Then finding out she has similar dreams that haunt her, how she wakes up from nightmares sometimes convinced she has your blood on her talons.
>>4018318That could mean the jannie is a salty susellefag, or it could mean that the salty susellefag reported the thread after having a meltdown.
>>4018323Kind of retarded to be suggesting at all that the idiots banning the game are even familiar with it at all enough to have any sort of opinion like that.
>>4018358Wikis exist and don't waste the image limit here.
>>4018348Could be multiple jannies, you know. Besides, with how mentally ill some people are on this site, I wouldn't put it past some obsessed schizo to ban literally all discussion of a game because it never goes his way, or for him to seek out a mod position just so he can ban discussion he doesn't like. Or, maybe this is like that UT scat guy, and he played the game just so he could more effectively hate on it.
>>4018358I always found funny that the so people that hate the game the most are the ones always spending all their free time camping on threads and telling people to fuck off to /vg/ or telling them to kill themselvesThey are more dedicated to this than the actual fans of the game
>>4018360I got balls of steel!
>>4018360>Wikis existThere's more than one of her?
>>4018164
>>4018421Of course, there's Fandom, Fextra, gg, they all dislike each other, not sure which is the one from Oldentale
>>4018431Not the Fandom one, that's for sure.She's better than that.
>>4018431>ggAh yes, underfell wiki
>>4018439That's the one who wears the helmet, the sad Wiki is Fextra and the third secret Wiki is Fandom, we just haven't seen her yet
>>4018320Dreams, or memories from another time?
>>4018452A good question is it not?I wonder if martlet, in her zenith form even has an idea of what the answer to that is.
is there an actual schizo that hates the modelanon? because he seems to be a regular to the /v/ deltarune threads
>>4018454Oh, almost certainly not, her DT was never high enough for her to brush up against that kind of stuff to begin with.Regardless, if neither of you ever know the truth, then it's probably fine.
>>4018456Please leave your drama at the door. We've had quite enough of it.
>>4018456I don't know about schizos, but I have seen the modelanon almost deliberately piss some people off for no real reason, so I don't think it's fair to label any instance of people not liking the guy as just being irrational behavior.
>>4018456I don't think its a schizo so much as its modelfag and another anon perpetually beefing with each other. Modelfag does intentionally act provocative and that other anon (if it is just the one) is incapable of putting the bottle down.
>>4018459>Oh, almost certainly not, her DT was never high enough for her to brush up against that kind of stuff to begin withIt takes a lot less than "super dt injection"For a monster to start getting deja vu. If she survived I could see certain events sticking with her as strong deja vu
>>4018427I still don't get it...
>>4018463Deja vu is one thing, and we don't even see that happen too often, that's different from larger, coherent memories from another timeline altogether, in a circumstance completely different to the one you're in now.
>>4018464The Entity is not surprised at your inability to understand its nature.Nor is the Entity surprised by any occurrence.
>>4018466Think of what undyne says if you reset a pacifist run>something tells me that I really want to be your friend (or something like that)I know undyne has a lot of determination (though we really have no idea of how much exactly) this is regular undyne we're talking about. >from larger, coherent memoriesIm not saying anything coherent, but more like a deduction on her part.like maybe she's been having these dreams since before she actually met you in this timeline.
>>4018456I don't think there's a convenient thought terminating /vg/ism to dismiss annoying behavior with situationally convenient whataboutism, no.
>>4018469>I know undyne has a lot of determination (though we really have no idea of how much exactly) this is regular undyne we're talking about. Yes, but like I said, the deja vu effect seems to only manifest when the character in question is in a similar situation to what they're in in the present, they aren't just remembering random things from previous timelines, such as other routes, or specific things like having killed you before, other than with Asgore specifically, somehow, and even that could be metaphorical.
>>4018467Cringe.
>>4018473>Yes, but like I said, the deja vu effect seems to only manifest when the character in question is in a similar situation to what they're in in the presentThats an assumption really. It may sound silly to say. But we wouldnt be around for the times the deja vu would come up when we're not around, and undertales progression is pretty focused. >other than with Asgore specifically, somehow, and even that could be metaphorical.I have a feeling thats just him being aware of the powers. Im an "asgore is a gigaknower" truther.I also think if we're making these characters have dreams about said events, we're stretching and making assumptions in the first place since no one is ever actually depicted describing a dream, let alone a timeline dream in the games
>>4018481>Thats an assumption really.A more valid assumption than you're giving it credit for, being based on what we can actually see in-game.>I also think if we're making these characters have dreams about said events, we're stretching and making assumptions in the first place since no one is ever actually depicted describing a dream, let alone a timeline dream in the gamesI'm aware, and stretching things when you know you're doing so is fine, I was just making my initial reply based on information we're given from the games themselves.At that rate, the real answer is that Martlet wouldn't have any knowledge about time manipulation even with boosted DT because she's just an idiot and wouldn't be able to put two and two together.
>>4018487>At that rate, the real answer is that Martlet wouldn't have any knowledge about time manipulation even with boosted DT because she's just an idiot and wouldn't be able to put two and two togetherMartlets big issue is her lack of confidence. Shes not "smart" but she's capable, and in her zenith form shed be less likely to doubt herself.>I was just making my initial reply based on information we're given from the games themselvesIm also using that since zartlet is dt boosted. And the most dt person we know shows a striking amount of detail in her deja vu>A more valid assumption than you're giving it credit forIts a valid assumption but it's also not a given because reasonably in any other situation where someone has deja vu or a weird dream, they'll just chalk it up without saying anything. It makes sense though that when faced with a human, the "generational enemy of your people", it would stand out to you that your deja vu says "friend".I think in toriels case, things are explained by her being a boss monster but being in denial about giga knower stuff (like how she reacts when you load after killing her).Also, zartlet could see things that "remind her of you" before she even meets you in this timeline, which would make that deja vu even stranger to her.
>>4018489>Martlets big issue is her lack of confidence.Her plan to stop Ceroba in true pacifist is to bring Clover directly to her, when Ceroba's plan would've been a non-starter otherwise.I think that's grounds to call her an idiot.>Im also using that since zartlet is dt boosted.Evidently not as much as you might think, since she never shows any real hints of anything relating to timeline stuff in-game.>reasonably in any other situation where someone has deja vu or a weird dream, they'll just chalk it up without saying anything.No one in UTDR is a reasonable or otherwise normal person, people say random stuff all the time, so it's not really a safe assumption that they just wouldn't talk about something like that.Anyway, I don't feel like turning this into a big production here.
>>4018492>Evidently not as much as you might think, since she never shows any real hints of anything relating to timeline stuff in-gameUndyne doesnt beyond that one line I mentioned in her normal form, and the time for pleasantries is quite over by the time she goes zenith.>Her plan to stop Ceroba in true pacifist is to bring Clover directly to her, when Ceroba's plan would've been a non-starter otherwise. >I think that's grounds to call her an idiotShe's niave and could be called stupid, but it doesnt take a genius to ask "why do I remember this person from before I met him".She does come up with a line of logic on why clover needs to go actually, but its a bit dumb. Maybe she had no idea ceroba was that strong but its still foolish.>No one in UTDR is a reasonable or otherwise normal person, people say random stuff all the timeThe characters (up until now at least) are if anything praised for how alive they feel. They do a lot of things that make them feel like actual realistic people in how they act.>Anyway, I don't feel like turning this into a big production here.Oh uh, alright.
Hey Oldentale anon, I have some questions about Reynault's condition, if you're willing to answer.Mostly just general curiosity, not for any specific purpose.Does his condition have a specific name?What is its nature, is it a "genetic" disorder, like something he was born with, or is it something he caught at some point, like from some foreign compound or contagion?Is it transmissible from one person to another?Is it only physically degenerative, or does it effect the mind as well?How old was he when he first began to suffer its effects on him?Is it inherently lethal by itself, or is it simply a lifelong condition that *usually* results in death?Is there any possibility of curing it once it's begun to affect someone?You don't have to answer any of these for any reason, I understand that, I've just been thinking about these questions for a while now and thought I'd ask about them, if that's alright.
I want to mating press Zenith Martlet.That is all.
>>4018553Yeah, thats fair.
>>4018550>Is there any possibility of curing it once it's begun to affect someone? Im imagining anon pushing reynault until he agrees to go on a grand quest to solve whatever the disorder is. Fully believing himself that there's no cure, but maybe through anons determination, the world will in a sense create an adventure for the two.
>>4018555>Im imagining anon pushing reynault until he agrees to go on a grand quest to solve whatever the disorder is.I don't like the idea of pushing him to do anything in his state, not anything he doesn't want to do.I would simply do it for him.
>>4018556Well, the adventure would probably do him some good and provide him some entertainment, as well as some nights under the stars.
>>4018558Perhaps, perhaps.I suppose that would mostly depend on what exactly would need to be done to cure his condition, though I could see him enjoying causing trouble for others on our journey.
>>4018561With enough determination, it might become its own rpg storyline that leads to the two of you saving the world (or at least, narrowly avoiding destroying it on the way since that was never the goal in the first place)
>>4018565>(or at least, narrowly avoiding destroying it on the way since that was never the goal in the first place)I simply wish to save Reynault.He is my world.
>>4018318>>4018323baseless conjecture when I say this but there are /utg/ users that claim to be former janitors. Could really just be an assmad suselle shipper, but the chances of that being the exact case are slim
>>4018566Yes we'll make sure to have the mandatory jrpg mushy scenes worked in there somewhere. But you can spell chaos without reynault (reynault of course, is waiting for someone to question that statement. No doubt having come up with some unfathomable retort)
>>4018568Ah, that was supposed to be can't. Oldentale incorporated will have my head for that one.
>>4018568>Yes we'll make sure to have the mandatory jrpg mushy scenes worked in there somewhere.I don't know what would constitute as being "mushy" when it comes to him, but I would be fascinated to see such a thing.>But you can spell chaos without reynault (reynault of course, is waiting for someone to question that statement. No doubt having come up with some unfathomable retort)Nah, checks out, you just gotta rearrange some of the letters a bit, see?
>>4018576>picture>you're not sure if you imagined that distant sound of geckering you thought you heard
>>4018580What, like I just completed some esoteric ritual?Well, whatever makes him happy.
>>4018586Maybe you're just developing scrimblo induced psychosis
>>4018586Im imagining the way you played into the practical joke he was running on whatever audience there was doubled him over with laughter across space and time.Someone in the audience says frustrated and confused>"hey what? Theres like only one fucking letter shared between those two!">reynault walks over roaring with laughter>"whats the matter, blind? It clearly shows on the paper exactly how to rearrange my name! Did your mother not teach you the alphabet?"
>>4018590Ah, the image itself jumped across worlds just to help him fuck with someone in the exact right circumstance, of course, I'm pleased to have been able to help him in this extremely important matter.Now hopefully that's the only image that's jumped worlds here.
>>4018595>Now hopefully that's the only image that's jumped worlds hereAcross different timelines and dimensions a letter appears in the mailbox for ceroba, wiki, reynault, luzma, bedo, quetzali. I wonder what is in these letters!Oh also zaer.
>>4018607>Across different timelines and dimensions a letter appears in the mailbox for ceroba, wiki, reynault, luzma, bedo, quetzali.Oh, joy.Well, some of those were fairly tame, so it wouldn't be all bad.Plus, it's a universe apart from where I am, so it's not my problem.
>>4018567Very interesting.
>>4018609>Plus, it's a universe apart from where I am, so it's not my problem.Yes yes but for the (you)s in thise universes youll have to deal with, for instance Cerobas concern at having received such an image turning to intense smugness when she realizes you drew it and did not mean for it to arrive in her mail.
>>4018617>Cerobas concern at having received such an image turning to intense smugness when she realizes you drew itDammit, now I wish that was me...
>>4014914I'd actually like to see that if you're serious. It sounds cool
>>4018550There was a time when Reynault was a perfectly healthy monster with no illnesses or conditions. It was only later in life that he developed his condition. And while to date there has only been a sample size of one to study, it doesn't seem to be contagious. Not much else is known about it, or at least not much that the good doctor or the man himself seem to be willing to share.
>>4018567>The jannies investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrongmany such cases
>>4014914Have a joke where a character says his name and design make no sense, that there's no connection, then he says there is, you just don't get it, and winks at the camera.
>>4018664I think, whether you like the critter or not we've found that working thread arguments themselves into the fanworks is in poor taste.
>>4018667I wasn't making a joke about thread arguments, I was making a joke about him being a really obscure reference that only people in this thread would get. The Yagi Antenna gag only works if you were present for these threads to know who Yagi is, to have seen the fan design made up for him, and to know about the antenna drawing.
>>4018667I think the bigger problem is that if it's a "darkner based on yogurt" there's an underlying implication that he's going to at least resemble a yagi antenna in some manner so it wouldn't really make sense in the first place for his design to "make no sense".
>>4018664I don't get it? The connection is already there by default. Yagi is an anTenna type, and also means "goat" in Japaneese, so it would make sense for him to be a goat darkner.Why would he wink?
>>4018671I don't see how there is an underlying implication there. If anything it sounds like its implying the opposite.
>>4018675I forgot that Yagi also means goat. I was making that joke under the assumption that there was no connection between those two things. Maybe instead have it be a joke that he says he's an antenna and winks and the characters don't get it, then like two hours later they have to read an English to Japanese dictionary for whatever reason, see that yagi means goat, and then that character is like "ohhh, that's the joke".
>>4018664You seem very upset.>>4018667Agreed, its very petty and nothing good has ever come from this sort of behavior being encouraged. Just him being a yagi-type antenna works.
>>4018679That would be better though maybe two hours is a bit, maybe have him balancing on top of a house immediately afterwards where the antenna should be "what, its a living."The phrasing of that anons original post makes it sound like we're nudging at arguments on whether he belongs or not. Even if that isnt what was meant, the language used, in my opinion was less than ideal.
>>4018661>There was a time when Reynault was a perfectly healthy monster with no illnesses or conditions. It was only later in life that he developed his condition.I see, interesting.May I ask how old Reynault is exactly, or if you have a general idea for how old he is? That's also been on my mind for a bit.>And while to date there has only been a sample size of one to study, it doesn't seem to be contagious.I assume that sample size of one would be him, then?Extremely unfortunate if so, being the first and only one to have such an illness.>Not much else is known about it, or at least not much that the good doctor or the man himself seem to be willing to share.Understandable.
>>4018680>You seem very upset.No, I just thought that'd be funny.> its very pettyI wasn't intending it that way.
>>4018681>maybe two hours is a bit,That's part of the joke, it should be confusing as hell to the player in the moment, but make perfect sense if they keep this kind of thing in mind or are playing through it multiple times. That way they're either in the shoes the other characters who are confused at their friend having an oh shit moment over seemingly nothing, or they're in the shoes of the character having the oh shit moment.>The phrasing of that anons original post Which post?
>>4018680NTA, but why would he be upset?If you are taking about him being a goat, it is important for him to be one, since if you dont, then you would have an oddly specific antenna type darkner for seemingly no reason.
>>4018682>May I ask how old Reynault is exactly, or if you have a general idea for how old he is?Maybe late 20s or early 30s. I hadn't really thought about it.
>>4018688Technically, it's fine if he's a goat anyway you know since it's "Yagi", but he should at least be antenna themed.
Pretty frequently while working I'll let the uty ost play through and man while its great all the way through, the wild east is a real treat. Its hard to find a wild west(east) themed song with exactly the energy of showdown. Yeah its got the wild west tunes we already know and love in it but 90 percent of the music you can hunt down out there is a lot easier in tone if that makes sense
>>4018687>Which post?The one suggesting the idea>That's part of the joke, it should be confusing as hell to the player in the moment, but make perfect sense if they keep this kind of thing in mind or are playing through it multiple timesThats asking for a lot for a joke payoff that gives it a greater chance of falling flat for no real return other than feeling cool on the cutting room floor
>>4018689>Maybe late 20s or early 30s. I hadn't really thought about it.Huh, around what I was guessing then, though I didn't figure he could be so young as his 20s.Thank you for this, and the other pieces of information.
>>4018689Nta, 20s seems quite young for someone like Reynault, I always saw him as being around mid 30s or even older
>>4018690All you have to do is to frazzle his "ear" fur
>>4018694>Thats asking for a lot for a joke payoff that gives it a greater chance of falling flat for no real returnAgain, that's the joke. It'll confuse the hell out of the player until they get it.
>>4018696Then maybe he is. Like I said, I hadn't given it much thought.
>>4018699I think its fine i you don't give your characters specific ages, age ranges are more than enough, we usually don't even get that with UT characters
>>4018698Like I said, you run the very real risk of the player just going "why is this thing telling me about xyz now, its not related to anything thats happening." And it falling flat. Super long windups like that are rarely actually practical
>>4018699NTA, but I personally thought of him as being in his 30s or 40s, not too old, or too young.Though the idea of him potentially being in his 20s and still being Like That™ is very amusing.Plus, if he's closer to my own age, I wouldn't have to worry about living as long without him. Likely terminal illnesses aside.
>>4018705And again, that's the joke. Its the kind of thing most players wouldn't get until their second or third playthrough, or until someone points it out to them. Undertale has jokes like that, and they're great for giving the game more replayability.
>>4018706Well keep in mind that people in history used to age faster, visually at least, due to worse living conditions and harsher lifestyles.
>>4018707Seems more practical for there to be several layers of joke, than just one joke under several layers.
>>4018707seems like a lot of work for no actual payoff.
>>4018706You will be older than Reynault by the time Oldentale comes out if he's in his 20s
>>4018712>>4018714Well this kind of thing is funny to me. Humor is subjective after all.
>>4018711True, though we don't actually have too many examples for what older monsters tend to look like, outside of Gerson in particular, and he's *old* old.So, I dunno, I think Reynault looks decent for his age, whatever that age actually is, I'm more worried about how much of him there is to look a certain way at all.
>>4018711Racter is actually the same age as Berdly, thats why he looks too young and like an adult at the same time
>>4018715Eh, not necessarily, depends on when Oldentale itself actually does come out.
>>4018718Ah, so literally 12 according to the wider fandom.
>>4018721What? The majority of people think that the main characters are 16 in DR
>>4018721Hee could be as young as 10 years old actually, conscription was brutal during the human-monster war
>>4018722Is joke for how fans infantalize the characters I think.
>>4018722Nta, I've seen way too many "fans" arguing that the fun gang and Co are 13 years old or younger, despite that making no sense
>>4018722NTA, but I think the majority of people tended to view Kris and the others as being whatever age *they* were when DR first came out, but then the average age in the DR community trended downwards after a while, so now a lot of people think they're actually pre-teens or something.
>>4018726Catti is working in the Diner, it wouldn't make sense for them to be that young.Those who claim that, probably didn't actually play deltarune>>4018727When I first played DR I thought the fun gang was 14, to be fair chapter 1 was more whimsical then the later ones
>>4018716No offense(and this goes for fangame devs especially), but you can't just base it all on your own sense of humor, you do have to generalize a little bit for things to click properly. Also very few people are going to play through a game multiple times for no actual payoff. I played through all three paths in UTY for the fights, endings, and character interactions, not for a crap joke.>>4018726its even dumber with the weird route arg
Was doing some research for an unrelated writing project and did a double take.
>>4018734Yeah, isn't that also the name of a kind of helicopter?
>>4018735Maybe, but the image of Martlet being fired out of a canon at mach 10 is just too funny.
>>4018732>but you can't just base it all on your own sense of humor, you do have to generalize a littlFirst of all, yes I can and I will. It wouldn't have any soul otherwise.> Also very few people are going to play through a game multiple times for no actual payoffSecond of all, you're not going to be replaying the gama *for* that, that's just something that would be funny when you're replaying it.
>>4018734>>4018735interesting
>>4018731>When I first played DR I thought the fun gang was 14Its not that far fetched. A lot of anime star characters around that age, but make them look and act much older. Like I think Yuji in JJK is meant to be 15.
>>401874315 years old is one of the most common ages for shonen protagonists, especially in modern shonen, Edward Eric, Joe Yabuki, Naruto Usumaki (in Shippuden), Deku, Asta, Ichigo Kurosaki, Yuji Itadori, Tanjiro Kamado, all start at 15 or are 15 for a good chunk of the story
>>4018749>Edward EricThis simple typo has turned him into the most generic sounding man in all of existence, good job.
>>4018076>without sitting down and plotting it out, I dont know if I even fully know what it's accomplishing. If you need a plan, then that's fine. I personally find that conversations do not cooperate with me when I pre-write sections or create granular plans, but it might be different for you. Is this feeling you describe something that's actually true, like you truly failed to reach the point you wanted to reach, or is it just something you fear?Or, if planning in advance doesn't work out, you could work backwards. Make notes in the dialogue marking what the purpose is and what it is accomplishing. Like a coder leaving notes for himself.>I have to assume not every dialogue makes you have to jump to such great lengths?Oh, certainly not. I was providing the most extreme example I had personally dealt with.>>4018084I was going to suggest going through Ao3, but it doesn't have a private messaging feature. I don't have any other online profiles, either.I have some suggestions concealed in a rentry and formatted such that, if you choose to heed any of them, you're not necessarily giving away what's going to happen as long as you don't specify. Hopefully.https://rentry.co/9ecp5dnh
>>4018749Ed was 14, I think Naruto started even younger. >>4018750Someone's Shounen Jump magazine turns into the world's most universally applicable Shounen protag darkner and its named that.
>>4016826In UTY proper he actually does make it past Undyne, since we can see him getting hit by Hotland lasers in Meta Flowey's flashbacks. I forget which epigraph it is but I play with that a bit, having Clover get past but getting stopped by... basically being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He doesn't have Alphys in his corner like Frisk does, and this one twist of fate is what finally hardlocks Clover and, in my mind, is what finally convinces Flowey to use the nuclear option and put him on the alt route.>spoilerA Clover who's been honed against a partially loop-aware Zart and her custom attacks would probably no-sell Undying. Honestly, any Justice-pilled Clover who meets her would probably pop a lot of LV on the spot, given her gung-ho attitude and speech about destroying humanity. Bonus points if that Clover is far enough along to start remembering things about how he's died. And who did the killing.Sorry for the very late reply. I got distracted and only saw late last night that I'd forgotten.
>>4018661Anon gave him AIDS>>4018734I hope she wore her helmet.
>>4018751>If you need a plan, then that's fine. I personally find that conversations do not cooperate with me when I pre-write sections or create granular plans, but it might be different for you.I'm gonna give it a try in a few ways, including what's been suggested here. I was having "relatively" little trouble (struggling but still making progress) with dialogue, but every time I try to return to my original story in the last few months I try to move the dialogue along, I have a feeling for what I want to say next, but then I get so much more hung up on "is this developing too quickly, too slowly, am I going to get the point of this scene across, do I even know what this scene is trying to say?" than ever before.>Is this feeling you describe something that's actually true, like you truly failed to reach the point you wanted to reach, or is it just something you fear?I think what I'm afraid of, is pushing the development along too fast. Martlet feels like someone who follows her heart and instincts, so she started this story by me thinking "what if Martlet did exactly that in the pacifist ending instead of just letting things be." but now I'm trying to tangle with the feeling of "how quickly does her own understanding of what she should be doing or more specifically, saying, develop?" I think I'm overthinking it but it fucks with me every time I've tried to sit down and write this part.>Or, if planning in advance doesn't work out, you could work backwards. Make notes in the dialogue marking what the purpose is and what it is accomplishing. Like a coder leaving notes for himself.that makes sense, and I've actually created a tab on this document for notes. I'm committed to getting through this but it vexes me.>Oh, certainly not. I was providing the most extreme example I had personally dealt with.that's good to hear then at least.
>>4018756>Anon gave him AIDSJoke's on you, AIDS is a sexually-transmitted disease, and I've never had sex before!Now don't you just look silly?
>>4018756>Anon gave him AIDSAIDS didn't exist yet, the human govement introduced it to monster society much later with the arrival of Chara
>>4018754>In UTY proper he actually does make it past Undyne, since we can see him getting hit by Hotland lasers in Meta Flowey's flashbacks.oh shit I didn't remember that. I thought it was a "thing" that he got stuck at undyne.>I forget which epigraph it is but I play with that a bit, having Clover get past but getting stopped by... basically being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He doesn't have Alphys in his corner like Frisk does, and this one twist of fate is what finally hardlocks Clover and, in my mind, is what finally convinces Flowey to use the nuclear option and put him on the alt route.ah that makes sense, and I must have not registered him being in hotland in the epigraph because of my assumptions.>Honestly, any Justice-pilled Clover who meets her would probably pop a lot of LV on the spot, given her gung-ho attitude and speech about destroying humanityI didn't consider that but I could see it happening.>A Clover who's been honed against a partially loop-aware Zart and her custom attacks would probably no-sell Undyingthis feels right to me. yeah clover wasn't as strong as frisk when it comes to the timelines, but that Clover? definitely a force to be reckoned with.I mean clover is in general, he just needs the right "stimulus" to power through things and tap into his justice power.>Sorry for the very late reply. I got distracted and only saw late last night that I'd forgotten.you're good, and you've been replying to I think 2 or more different anons including me with some advice if I'm not mistaken, so thanks for taking the time on that.
>>4018759You can get it from exposure to someone's blood as well, and it can be inherited from your mother if she has it.
>>4018763Well, she doesn't, and I didn't.
>>4018760*Integrity
>>4018764You might be free from human AIDS, but how can we be sure you aren't a carrier of monster AIDS?
>>4018765Fuck that got me good
>>4018766I can think of a few reasons why I don't have a monster-originating blood disease.
>>4018770as far as you know, but you can never be sure with your ancestors
>>4018772I am reasonably sure my ancestors were not plowing monsters.
>>4018776monsters did exist back then, its just that they got bred out of existence
>>4018778I just feel like most of my ancestors probably wouldn't have been spending too much tine with that sort of stuff.Except maybe the Prussian mercenary guy, he apparently did a lot of weird shit, but other than him, I don't see a lot of obvious weirdos in my family tree.I am likely the first in my bloodline to want to stick it in a fox monster.
Are UT/DR threads still haram on /v/?
>>4018785No clue, but we usually wait until the weekend anyway.
>>4018786I know the weekend threads, I was just curious
>>4018783You had to get your taste for monsters from somewhere
>>4018792That implies that everyone who likes monsters had a monster fucker ancestor
>>4018792Unsupervised internet access, autism, and a deeply felt disconnect to the rest of humanity.It's probably that.
I tried to think up a weapon for a hypothetical Yagi darkner and I just keep getting keyblades.
>>4018802He fights with hands (not his)
>>4018802Yagi's a data boss based on corrupted data, you get a special keyblade from beating him.
>>4018802Give him the Polar Star as a reference to Cave Story
>>4018802Yagi is just Asriel's version of Xion, with Flowey being his Roxas.
>>4018792I have faith that somewhere in my bloodline lay the same genes that will one day also spur our bloodline on to fuck aliens as well. where no dick as gone before and all of that.
>>4018806Wouldn't it look dumb if he had a gun that was just an antenna
>>4018811Blue gun-shaped antenna, it shoot waves that can give enemies all sort of debuffs, mainly one that makes them go berserk and attack anything in sight.
>>4018805>Anon getting hit with strike raid
>>4018821For >>4018802
>>4018818That doesn't seem like it'd work well as a boss fight.
>>4018827I thought he was meant to be a party member? In that case he could temporally steal one of your party members (maybe makes you chose which one) and then that party member attacks you or gives Yagi a buff for the duration of the mind control
>>4018835I don't know. I'm not making the game.
>>4018838No one is making a game, we are just coming up with dumb ideas for this homeless scrimblo
Maybe Yagi's just the darkner manifestation of someone's antipsychotics.
>>4018807Wouldn't it make more sense if Yagi (forma psuedo) is Roxas, since True Yagi could be Ventus?
>>4018862I mean, I guess?I dunno, how hard are we trying to adhere to Yagi's "lore" here?
>>4018865How hard do you want to be?
>>4018757>>4018751Also I gave it some thought, I think it had been too long since I'd read some previous chapters of the story. I should have tried this earlier (though now I'm only moving at a glaciers pace rather than not at all), but I went and reread what I'd already written. I think I was too out of touch with the idea I wanted to pursue to even start to answer those questions.
>>4018867I'm not hard for Yagi at all.
>>4018872I didn't mean like that, although I guess it also wouldn't really make sense to make any assumptions like that since we don't know what True Yagi looks like.
I almost added a line to something "it's like asking why the sky is blue" before remembering "oh right, the underground."Maybe I should save that for something post barrier one day actually.
>>4018887I mean, depending on where you look up, the "sky" in the underground is technically still blue.As long as you're in Waterfall or something.
>>4018888true, though it's less of a universal fact, which also means you could add a silly, if somewhat sad twist on the statement "it's like asking why the ceiling is blue in waterfall."
>>4018751>rentry.My original idea was going to be something a bit similar to the third but a friend said it would be incredibly underwhelming and boring so I'll be doing a bit of everything I think.>ao3 not having dm.Yeah it's a bummer but at least comments are a thing and you do get notified of them. Still, wonder why they didn't imply any dm in there
>>4018888I sort of feel like monsters would still have an understanding of what a "sky" is, like if you lose the sky, then the concept that you're even underground in the first place is kind of out because then the idea of a surface is gone as it's differentiated from the underground is gone.I guess maybe if the knowledge that oceans was lost they couldn't put 2 and 2 together about the light being reflected off the ground into the air and the sky inheriting specifically that color, maybe then they wouldn't know what color it was.
>>4018893The monsters probably know about the sky and oceans thanks to the garbage from waterfall
>>4018896nta, I can see that being a thing, though I doubt expressions involving the sky like that would be a part of their vocabulary honestly because it would be kind of depressing.
>>4018906Could have sort of a romantic longing angle to it.
>>4018910Huh, yeah I could see that. Would change the context of it a lot but I could see certain monsters using it then.
I just found this headcanon image on twitter and I'm gonna make you all look at it.
>>4018936If you're gonna post autism at least make it thread relevant. Like this.
>>4018938That is certainly one hell of a face they gave her.
I wanted to try and turn this into a more substantial doodle, but I'm dead tired today for some reason, so this is all I can do for now.I took a small nap earlier today to try and regain a little bit of energy, but when I tried to get up, I just felt even more sapped than before I laid down to begin with. My mind was a little in and out of consciousness, and moving at all felt like a struggle, like I was Goku in that one part of the Namek saga where he's still on his way to Namek and he accidentally sets the artificial gravity on his ship way higher than he wanted it on accident.Anyway, at one point my mind suddenly flashbanged me with the mental image of having Reynault cradle my head in his lap, or at least some small part of it that's not prosthetic, and that thought alone immediately drained the energy out of me and made me sleep for like an extra hour than I wanted to, my head practically slammed backwards into my pillow after that.I was already just barely conscious at that point, but I think the idea of being in his presence like that just made me want to surrender to him entirely, thus making me pass the fuck out.I wanted to try and draw something of that, a quick little thing in mspaint, but I guess I don't have the energy for that either right now.I don't have a real point to any of this, I know I sing my praises for this fox ad nauseam at this point, but I guess I just wanted to say again how much I appreciate this character that was almost certainly not designed to be liked in this way, or perhaps at all.I am very grateful to Oldentale anon for having created him, he is a truly wondrous thing.
If you really think about it, Deltarune is just a fangame for Undertale, except that it's made by the original creator
>>4018818aside from that not working well in a game with parties, that's still trying to add thread argument bullshit into the game.
>>4019024what game?
>>4018938I've been seeing more roba x luigi out of nowhere, what is going on
>>4019155Theres a person who ships mario and martlet and luigi and Ceroba. Thats the extent of my knowledge on this sadly.>>4018959I fear you're reaching states of matter beyond scientifically documented foxrot.
>>4018998it's the other way around, DR is the original game and UT was a spinoff of it
New episode of that guy's DRY take, I don't see the hype for it when the characters don't look like they fit within the DR universe (like pic related), he also posted a wall of text over the DRY1 gamejolt page saying how he would improve it but after seeing the games he made (WGYtale) it gets really hard to be convinced by anything he says.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2d2j-K_7yc
>>4019180Gave it a few minutes despite the live narration being really strange. I think the word I want here is "melodramatic". The text for the wings feels like its heavy handed, and hearing the narration I feel like this person is trying too hard to convey experiences.>he also posted a wall of text over the DRY1 gamejolt page saying how he would improve itWait, this isnt the person that complained about the genders on gamejolt is it?
>>4019186>Wait, this isnt the person that complained about the genders on gamejolt is it?No that was someone else, this guy's post was https://gamejolt.com/x/permalink/comment/41444411
>>4019188Hmm. To say that dry could do with improvements in places is of course fair, but the way this person talks is very meandering and repetitive, and they seem to speak in a very self important way as they hype up their own game devving. Their criticism on Kanako’s characterization I think is fundamentally flawed because the choice she made in uty is made when she was a tiny little child and people do change from their super hero complexes they have when they are 5-10 years old.But still whether they make fair or unfair criticisms in their posts, I keep coming back the the feeling that this person is full of themselves or overly critical of things I cant remember having even a little trouble with (when were the controls "shaky", it controls just about the same as DR but with unique run sprites to boot?).I dont have the patience to watch an hour and a half of their own narration, but I feel strongly that this person is off base in some way even if they point out some fair things.
Fangames have gotten so fucking good with shit like Frostveil that I don't even wanna play them anymore because I fear that they're going to be better than ANYTHING Toby thought up and they're gonna make disappointed in chapter 6. I'm scared
>>4019198When I play things, I usually dont judge it in comparison to 'other thing' but based on its own merits so I don't really get this. If chapter 6 sucks then thats its own self contained failure isnt it?
>>4019198i played them and still felt impressed by toby's stuff in chapter 5, just play them, restricting yourself like that wont make you feel any better
>>4019198>FrostveilAnything else of that caliber that came out recently?
>>4019159>I fear you're reaching states of matter beyond scientifically documented foxrot.I simply like him a lot, despite knowing he was never meant for such things.
>>4019198Chapter 6 is gonna disappoint anyways. Toby has lost the sauce.
I don't feel like the self imposed writers block is just all perfectly vanished, but I managed to write a neat and tidy 500 words without erasing every every 5 seconds (managed to go a solid 10 seconds even). Hopefully this is the pebble needed to get the boulder rolling down the hill once more on all the things I wanted to get made.How goes the effort for you anons? Any work you hope to chip away at this weekend, be it art, writing, coding or even the elusive music?Also have a recent Mo I found.
>>4019214Silly anon, foxes are litterally BUILT to be loved, they have no choice in the matter.
Okay, I believe you
>>4019161Protorune was quite different from the deltarune we got. Also in the lore, I am pretty sure that Deltarune happens after Undertale
>>4019180I dont think we ever talked about that guy here, as far as I can remember, so of course it won't have any hype
>>4019240Perhaps, but even if he may have been meant to be loved in some capacity, I fear he was not built to last.By truth, while I do greatly look forward to the release of Oldentale, whenever that may be, I also fear that Reynault will not live to see the end of his own debut story, and I shall be left with a hole where my beating heart once lay.It is inevitable, I know it, whether it be by his own hand, or by the cruel hands of fate.
>>4019237>be it artHoping to have my current Bedo nude image done before too long, though I doubt it'll be done this weekend.
>>4019274>Perhaps, but even if he may have been meant to be loved in some capacity, I fear he was not built to last. Ah true, hes quite literally 'built different' in the most unfortunate of ways, isnt he.>By truth, while I do greatly look forward to the release of Oldentale, whenever that may be, I also fear that Reynault will not live to see the end of his own debut story, and I shall be left with a hole where my beating heart once lay. >It is inevitable, I know it, whether it be by his own hand, or by the cruel hands of fate.So I knew a man who was married to a woman with terminal illness. Proposed to her you see, with full knowledge of this.The engagement ring was meteorite (or whateber the proper word is) rather than diamond to "symbolize the fleeting nature of their lives together like a shooting star in the sky."Its extremely corny, but when witnessing it in action with everything done with the utmost sincerity, it was honestly pretty strong stuff.
>>4019237>but I managed to write a neat and tidy 500 words without erasing every every 5 seconds (managed to go a solid 10 seconds even).Nice, usually my head begins to feel empty around the 500 words mark.>Any work you hope to chip away at this weekendWriting project that had no right of taking as long as it did, even taking into account how much I procrastinated, I hope to finish it before the weekend.
>>4019278Nice, the world can always use more Bedo.>>4019284>Nice, usually my head begins to feel empty around the 500 words mark. It seems to be a better number than I once thought. While I do enjoy the days my brain lets me reach much higher word counts, I've realized its a solid number if you can get somewhat consistent with it. Though I should probably practice sprints again once I feel more comfortably out of this mental block.>Writing project that had no right of taking as long as it did, even taking into account how much I procrastinatedYeah that kind of stuff has been on my mind as well. Crazy how time can get away from us huh?>I hope to finish it before the weekendNice! I look forward to seeing it when you get there
>>4019283>Ah true, hes quite literally 'built different' in the most unfortunate of ways, isnt he.Yes, it would seem so.His various oddities are partially what draw me to him to begin with, though some of them do pain me so.>Its extremely corny, but when witnessing it in action with everything done with the utmost sincerity, it was honestly pretty strong stuff.That is rather nice, isn't it?Obviously much more serious than what I'm talking about, but I hope things were good for them.
>>4019198Looking back, I feel the Steamworks area was the best execution of the "Undertale formula" in terms of what I personally expect out of it.Deltarune already sailed past that sort of stuff long ago by now.>>4019203>If chapter 6 sucks then thats its own self contained failure isnt it?Deltarune isn't an episodic story, despite pretending to be one at first and all the filler. Every chapter has to live up to the previous ones in some way AND pave the way for the next ones.Ever noticed how most of the criticism for chapter 5 comes from the fact it came right after chepter 4?
>>4019293>Obviously much more serious than what I'm talking about,Well true by virtue of being in the bounds of reality, but it still feels relevant enough to get me pondering. Reynault having his chew toy, yet live makes it seem as though he's the one getting chewed on as it wears him down. >but I hope things were good for them.It's been some yeara since I talked to him but for the duration I knew them they were great together. >His various oddities are partially what draw me to him to begin with, though some of them do pain me so. I'm sure he'd believe the pain was just one of many parts of a punchline
>>4019261I don't know if before and after are really applicable terms here. It may be a grandfather paradox or causal loop going on, in which case its both before and after. But if being another universe might make it technically be at the same time.It happens after Undertale for (you), and (you) are a canon character. Meanwhile Sans does thing that point to him being both before and after. Maybe that's where he got the drawing from, or maybe he was getting that drawing specifically because he knows he needs one for Undertale to happen, which would mean Deltarune is after Undertale for him.
>>4019295>Deltarune isn't an episodic story, despite pretending to be one at first and all the filler. Every chapter has to live up to the previous ones in some way AND pave the way for the next ones. Yes, but judging a game against its own chapters is different from judging it against an entirely different game.
>>4019306How not?All of them exist in relation to Undertale in somehow.Deltarune is also a paid game taking a decade to be developed, comparing it to fangames made for free is inevitable, specially if said fangames go beyond it in some way.
>>4019309>comparing it to fangames made for free is inevitable, specially if said fangames go beyond it in some wayBecause a game is not made worse by a better game coming out. Comparisons are understandable but there's a line where you get absurd. Fangames are also not made worse by things deltarune was more polished at.Maybe you personally dont notice a games flaws or virtues until you play something else to contrast, but thats just a matter of you developing your own perspective more, those flaws and virtues were always there
>>4019300>Well true by virtue of being in the bounds of reality, but it still feels relevant enough to get me pondering.Fair enough.>Reynault having his chew toy, yet live makes it seem as though he's the one getting chewed on as it wears him down. Ah, quite so.I suppose it is somewhat odd that I feel for him as I do, with his condition being much worse than mine overall, though I could've been in a similar boat had things not gone as well for me as they did, way back when.I suppose I just can't help but want the best for him, even as Oldentale anon says how "evil" he is.>It's been some yeara since I talked to him but for the duration I knew them they were great together. That's good to hear.>I'm sure he'd believe the pain was just one of many parts of a punchlineYes, he seems a very "gallows humor" sort of person. I've had similar outlooks to him in my own life, from time to time, so I can certainly relate to at least some of what he feels.I just can't help but want for there to be a better way about things.
>>4019313>I suppose I just can't help but want the best for him, even as Oldentale anon says how "evil" he isIs it so unreasonable to sympathize with someone terrible? Im sure papyrus would want us all to consider what others are going through.Very loudly I might add.>I just can't help but want for there to be a better way about thingsI feel like thats a similar feeling to what drives a lot of people in these threads, albeit with different characters.
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>>4019366Neato, you know of all the fangames around I guess Im a little surprised this one is still kicking at least a little
>>4019302I think the real "Deltarune" happened before Undertale, where the heroes of the prophecy lost, and Deltarune proper happens after Gaster invited (You) in, to see what would happen
>>4019203its just the standard 4chan victim/persecution complex flaring up
>>4019371That doesn't even seem relevant to the post I replied to.
>>4019180Has anybody watched his dry take? TLDR?
>>4019295>Deltarune isn't an episodic storyYes it is. Its both trying to be one, and de facto is one. Even after the game is all finished, its still structured in an episodic format and was written and developed in one. Toby is trying to have his cake and eat it too, and failing miserably.
>>4019370In which case the Sans in Deltarune is probably aware of Undertale, hence the constant references he makes to it and strange way he acts.
>>4019377It seems like this video is this "games" weird route equivalent and its abiut redemption, but it's really hard for me to sit through the narration personally so Im not sure about some of the details yet.i think dalv, starlo and chujin are in this dark world? The yellow soul guy, rowin I think, apparently was around a terrible accident as a kid that he blames himself for.I think something is wrong with kanako but Im missing context because there are multiple hour long videos on the channel detailing this take in this way.
>>4019392Jesus christ, ok theres about 16 or so hours worth of this stuff. It sure isUnique.
>>4019401I remember seeing it, but with atrocious quality I hoped that someone else would watch it and tell what is it about instead.You know, before I saw his comment about DRY, I atleast appreciated the autism behind it. But imagine someone unironically criticising DRY when their take is so bad
>>4019386I don't think anyone is aware except Gaster and the Goners. Perhaps he only knows that something is off
>>4019405>You know, before I saw his comment about DRY, I atleast appreciated the autism behind it. But imagine someone unironically criticising DRY when their take is so badYeah I can appreciate jank or whatever hearfelt autism someone can brew up and all that, but reading that dry comment and then seeing this definitely gives me a different impression. Its not even them having criticism about DRY either, plenty of people have their own thoughts on dry. Its more like unfounded arrogance I think? The scathingness of the review almost calling upon dry anon to do better (while making sure to say 'like me in how im learning art to make my thing')That said, maybe someday someone will have the patience to listen to 16 hours of self narrated dry take so we can know the true quality at hand
>>4019409>'like me in how im learning art to make my thing'That was so jarring, DRY1anon's art can be rough around the edges, but it actually fits with Deltarune with some characters like Ms Syrup, that other guy's pixel art is all over the place, it doesn't look like it belong in any game, like he didn't even try to draw the rooms and buildings in the same angle as UT's overworld.
>>4019412Remember DRY is 4/10 and "borderline unplayable jank" according to him
>>4019412>>4019409Are you going to take the word of someone who is likely 14 that has these sort of works under their belt?
>>4019408Things like him grilling cat tails are too suspicious to be ignored.
>>4019418>big chungusHe's probably not 14 if he made that, because that's a ten year old meme.
>>4019419I don't get it, is it something he did in UT Waterfall?
>>4019417>>4019418>>4019421>14From his channel description>Howdy! Name's Westin. I'm a 20 year old artist/partial game-dev and fan-boy. I make "videos", "games", and "manmade horrors beyond your comprehension." :)>20 year old:/
>>4019418They claim to be 20, but thats quite a daunting library there.>>4019412Yeah I saw the way chairs look painted onto the floor in the room screens. I think tearing someone else down this aggressively is the quickest way to lose good will that could have been given towards your own work.I guess its a novel idea to walkthrough an entire game that doesnt exist like this (I assume at least) but id be willing to bet they are just young, full of piss and vinegar, and cant quite process the feelings that someone else made a dry take first, because clearly he learned all.the important things.
>>4019418His voice is of an adult, not a kid
>>4019425>because clearly he learned all.the important things.All the important things besides making UT Fangames not in RPG Maker
>>4019425I've already seen mutilple other people acting the same but about Deltarune: "Deltarune is complete trash, Toby can't make games or compose, oh and also time to shill my game. Tee-hee! (It's even worse than Deltarune)"
>>4013757Toby Fox if he made Deltarune Yellow:>Cole is nonbinary>Kanako is a tomboy>Martlet is a lesbian>Ceroba allows Starlo and Chujin to fuck each other>Dalv is gay
>>4019334>Is it so unreasonable to sympathize with someone terrible?Perhaps not, I just question whether he really is so terrible to begin with.>I feel like thats a similar feeling to what drives a lot of people in these threads, albeit with different characters.Yes, the idea of what could be, or what could've been, is definitely a common theme around here.
>>4018857Maybe he could be a badly damaged antenna, and as a darkner he has a really bad limp and trouble staying steady, he has trouble walking and could tell the person playing they don't have to wait on him he can make it on his own.He also has big dreams of making it to the light world and making lightners happy and making new friends that will never happen.
>>4019430Don't forget Kanako is either lesbian with Sadie or Melody and Cole has to third wheel for them
>>4019422Cat tails in Undertale are one of the few sources of "meat" in the underground aside from snails and garbage. Sans runs a hotdog stand where he sells grilled cat tails (called water sausage). In Deltarune cat tails are completely inedible just like they are irl.
>>4019428True, not every game can be Undertale 2>>4019429> Toby can't make games or compose, oh and also time to shill my game. Tee-hee! (It's even worse than Deltarune)"I think its possible to make something better than toby in these fangames potentialy, but I think its a red flag when the game maker is advertising themselves on the ground that "x sucks, but my stuff is great!"
>>4019434>In Deltarune cat tails are completely inedible just like they are irl.NTA, but I've heard you actually can eat those if you do it in a certain way, just not like an actual hotdog.
>>4019437I am pretty sure you can eat the part of the stalk of the cat tail, not the brown hotdog like thing on the tip which sans sells you
>>4019429I think that's a pretty conceited thing to do, but its also a pretty natural train of thought to have. Of course they're gonna like their Deltarune clone better than the original, its made exactly how they want it. They just need to learn to have some self awareness and humility.
>>4019430No, Ceroba would fuck Martlet, but Chujin wouldn't be allowed to fuck anyone else. Men are not allowed to have sex in the Tobyverse.
>>4019432Well he already made me happy, and I would be his friend so how about that.
>>4019437Apparently you can eat the hearts but they cause throat irritation if you do which is just fantastic.
>>4019436>its a red flag when the game maker is advertising themselves on the ground that "x sucks, but my stuff is great!"Great warning for everyone here to not go down that path.
>>4019425I don't know where these guys get their confidence from, but it is hilarious to see.
>>4019445Nothing worth doing is ever easy.
>>4019437Yeah, but my point is that the water sausage in Undertale is a cat tail, which is edible like a hotdog, meanwhile the tail of a cat tail in Deltarune isn't.
>>4019443Asgore and Rudy have definitely fucked before
>>4019447Dont be like that. Ive got nothing against people hating Toby's stuff, but surely we can all admit the parts of the games we each liked.
>>4019442It's a stupid thing to do since it's unlikely you will even get any rage bait purchases (and they are probably refunding it anyway). And normal people would be driven awayIt's like with that lol cow who boasted about how bad undertale code is, compared to his game (He managed to make his even worse than UT's and his game is not even finished after like 10 years)
>>4019448Honestly amazing. Had someone reccomend lost deltarune once (which I admittedly like) and then refuse to play DRY because of the graphics.Brother if you've seen lost deltarune you know how silly that is.I wonder if its some kind of bitterness over shipping, over 4chan beating them to the punch, or some kind of tribalism I haven't even considered yet.
>>4019454I don't really get the impression people making games really make posts like that. Mostly because a lot of the time it's the same kind of posts that get plopped in the Deltarune threads proper by shitposters that both don't like and haven't even played the game bitter at people that did.
>>4019447Excuse me?
>>4019456It could be as simple as DRY not being a rethread of Deltarune
>>4019455Well what that anon is saying is that feeling so strongly about your own project is understandable, a lot of people feel like the thing theybare working on is going to be great and they keep pushing forward. But as he said, its important to have that self awareness and humility to recognize your own self bias (which realistically will keep you from shitting on other peoples projects as a way to boast your own game
>>4019448I hope this guy has a meltdown when DRYanon2 eventually puts out his demo.
>>4019452No, its not allowed. Rudy merely had unfulfilled feelings for Asgore at best, just like Flowery did.
>>4019460Oh shit I didn't think of that but it makes sense.The one thing I did catch about this persons dry weird route take was "ceroba got stronger"Fuck its falling into place now
>>4019457Nta, but you make a post like that with that image and everyone is immediately going to assume you're talking about them. Its just the nature of those kinds of vague negative insinuations.
>>4019448Holy spiteThese people can't accept that somebody would do it different than themTo be fair, DRY may appear at first glance to be poorly made. Most of the people who played it were surprised that its actually good and initially just thought that it would be some kid's first attempt at a game when they downloaded it
>>4019447What is this referencing?
>>4019468I call it a skill issue then.
Naranjadev, I have a question that is going to sound weird but I swear is normal.What are Bedo's feet like?Does she have basically normal human feet, with individual toes and all that, or are they less detailed, on account of her being based on an animal that doesn't have feet like that to begin with?I ask this question purely for the sake of knowing how much detail I ought to draw her feet with and not for any weirder secondary reasons, I promise.
>>4019475>Naranjadev, I have a question that is going to sound weird but I swear is normal. >What are Bedo's feet like? Fuck I cant stop laughing.
>>4019476Shut up, shut up, this is for entirely normal art reasons, there's nothing weird about this in the slightest, you are being absurd.
>>4019476>BUT WHAT IF>IT COULD GET>WEIRDER THAN WEIRDDoes Bedo have pubic hair?
>>4019479She'd either be smooth, or it'd just be like whatever her normal hair is like.
>>4019478Look man, the funny thing is that Im confident youre telling the truth.But its still hilarious.>>4019479Would it be like the hair on her head
>>4019430You forgot>The game is a 10 year long metaphor for discovering your gender identity
>>4019456How does someone refuse to play a DR fangame because of graphics? Have they never played Undertale? I don't understand these standards, unless if it's coming from artfags who are envious of a programmer who's actually made something.
>>4019430>>4019443No, you will see Cole coming home to see Martlet dancing with Mo
>>4019479Quetzali feather pubes...
>>4019485Her feathers seem to mostly be on her backside, not her underside, so I'm sorry to say she would likely be smooth down there.
>>4019483>How does someone refuse to play a DR fangame because of graphics? Have they never played UndertaleThis was also on my mind but I figured even comparing it fangame to fangame the mindset was stupid. >I don't understand these standards, unless if it's coming from artfags who are envious of a programmer who's actually made something.I feel like it comes from some kind of insecurity somewhere along the way. Maybe like the one anon said, they're mad that its not DR by the numbers
>>4019484If I didn't want martlet for myself then I'd say the main man MO aint so bad.Also funnily enough I think martlet isnt fond of mo in shades of justice
>>4019475>Does she have basically normal human feet, with individual toes and all that, or are they less detailed, on account of her being based on an animal that doesn't have feet like that to begin with?Less detailed, they generally have a foot shape, there's no individual toes, I imagine she can still move like a slug by contracting her feet, but she doesn't since that's highly inefficient.At one point I did consider giving her a single "foot" like an slug, which would make her sort of a naga, but by that time Luzma already existed. Funny how there was a point where none of the main girls in UTN had feet.>I ask this question purely for the sake of knowing how much detail I ought to draw her feet with and not for any weirder secondary reasons, I promise.I've seen enough evidence to doubt that statement, but I'm not here to judge.
>>4019482Will Toby come out once Chapter 7 releases?
>>4019495Toby already came out with being nonbinary like his self insert Kristopher (laughs)
>>4019495I've been fearing that since he started to hide his faceIt will be just like the celeste dev did
>>4019492>Less detailed, they generally have a foot shape, there's no individual toesAlright, cool, was hoping for that a bit honestly, don't have to put too much thought into it for this.>At one point I did consider giving her a single "foot" like an slug, which would make her sort of a naga, but by that time Luzma already existed. Funny how there was a point where none of the main girls in UTN had feet.Huh.Neat anecdote, but I also just find it funny how your game was nearly a footfag's worst nightmare.>I've seen enough evidence to doubt that statement, but I'm not here to judge.If I had freaky intentions I would be very upfront about it, you should know that by now.Her feet aren't even going to be particularly focused on for this image, so it's not like I could do much with them anyway.
>>4019497He already wore a dress, but he won't ever transition or act like a woman.He sees himself as in-between>This is what Gerson meant when talking about walking in between the lines
>>4019484That is not nearly as bad as Sans and Toriel. Martlet is single, not divorced, so whatever Cole's reluctance of her dating someone, it wouldn't be painful like Kris's parents being driven apart. Mo is also not nearly as obnoxious as Sans is and while a con man, is generally goodhearted in UTY.
>>4019498>Neat anecdote, but I also just find it funny how your game was nearly a footfag's worst nightmare.Technically it would be a foot-straightfag's worst nightmare, Zaer and [another character] are still barefoot.>If I had freaky intentions I would be very upfront about it, you should know that by now.Well, you're right about that, the wording didn't help.
>>4019491Martlet canonically hates retail>>4019501If she were to date anyone it should be Starlo. He's already like a dad to Cole.
>>4019479>>4019485Luzma's flame pubes...
>>4019504>Technically it would be a foot-straightfag's worst nightmare, Zaer and [another character] are still barefoot.Hm, fair enough.Though I must point out that a character wearing shoes doesn't necessarily make them undesirable for a footfag, and it can often be the other way around.>Well, you're right about that, the wording didn't help.Mm, fair.Honestly, while I am glad I won't have to draw her feet in detail for this image, since that would take time and be very complicated, I am somewhat pained by the fact that she doesn't have toes to suck on at all.A tragic state of affairs, to be certain.
>>4019506>If she were to date anyone it should be Starlo. He's already like a dad to Cole.Martlet should have dated Starlo when she first got custody of Cole, then broken up with him while Cole was around, and then started dating Mo without revealing it to Cole first.
>>4019507Would it be like a gas stove, or like smoke from a fire
>>4019513It'd be smaller bits of flame, like the "hair" on her head.
>>4019513It should be like the flames on her head but shorter
>>4019516>>4019517Like gas stove flames?
>>4019519Nah, those are usually too straightened out, they should still be curved like the other parts of her flames.
>>4019519>>4019520Maybe that's how they look when she trims them
>>4019520Maybe she is excited
Wait a minute, I just had a (very questionable idea) about Bedo.You know how some monsters are characterized as being jealous of other monsters for having specific body parts they themselves don't have, like Berdly having nipple-envy, or Papyrus wanting hair?What if Bedo was jealous of other bipedal monsters or of humans for having individual toes, because she doesn't have them?What if Bedo had an envy-powered foot-fetish?
>>4019509>Though I must point out that a character wearing shoes doesn't necessarily make them undesirable for a footfag, and it can often be the other way around.Well, I'm not into feet so I'm not sure how the logistics behind it work, but that makes "sense" in the same way that a chracter wearing clothes doesn't automatically make the character less sexy.>I am somewhat pained by the fact that she doesn't have toes to suck on at all.That's the straightfowardness that was missing from your original question.
>>4019527>Well, I'm not into feet so I'm not sure how the logistics behind it workA character wearing shoes means that it's not as often that you get to see their feet directly, so it can be hotter when they are visible.Alternatively, a character wearing shoes more often can also mean their feet could be sweaty, which some people are also into.Not me though.That'd be weird.Ahem.>That's the straightfowardness that was missing from your original question.Yeah, see?Totally transparent.
>>4019526>What if Bedo was jealous of other bipedal monsters or of humans for having individual toes, because she doesn't have them?She doesn't need toes, her feet are pliable enough to adapt to the terrain.>What if Bedo had an envy-powered foot-fetish?Well, I suppose a monster can develop all sort of tastes if they spend too much time on the Undernet.I won't oppose your idea, envy is not an unknown feeling to her.
>Cole and Kanako encounter Yagi darkner>Isn't on a criminal list so they have to spare him>his attacks are weird and wavy and he doesn't even talk except for unintelligent noise>KanakoIdea.jpg>She uses talisman thingy on him>He freezes in place>"Constructive interference detected. In Phase. Transmitting data broadcast">He starts saying Kanako's thought out loud>shit.jpg>Kanako immediately covers Cole's ears before the soundwaves reach him
Deltatraveler is gonna have the ability to switch party members
>>4019536Dry bros? Our status?
>>4019533>She doesn't need toes, her feet are pliable enough to adapt to the terrain.Yes, but maybe she just likes the look of them.>Well, I suppose a monster can develop all sort of tastes if they spend too much time on the Undernet.>Bedo frequently spends time looking at other monsters' feet on the undernet>she swears she's just interested in the anatomy, even though she can't help but rub her crotch whenever she engages in such "anatomical studies"And just like that, I've ruined yet another character.>I won't oppose your idea, envy is not an unknown feeling to her.I feel like at a certain point you really probably should oppose me, but sure, I guess Bedo has a really roundabout foot fetish now.
>>4019537It's over, Deltatraveler will overshadow us... we should have switched to that other DRY while we still had a chance...
>>4019539>we should have switched to that other DRY while we still had a chance...The Starbucks route one?
>>4019538>And just like that, I've ruined yet another character.It would happen sooner or later.>I feel like at a certain point you really probably should oppose me, but sure, I guess Bedo has a really roundabout foot fetish now.Dang, you give an anon an inch and they take your feet, I said I wouldn't oppose you because I don't want to destroy people's headcanons, as long as they aren't like super contradictory or something, this doesn't mean the foot fetish is canon.
>>4019535>Cole tries to apprehend Yagi>His lasso get stuck on his horns>"New input medium connected. Transmitting data broadcast">He starts saying all of Cole's thoughts out loud>Cole lunges to cover Kanako's ears>She still manages to hear everything>She blushes
>>4019541No, the one with the superior ideas and artists
>>4019544>It would happen sooner or later.Perhaps.>Dang, you give an anon an inch and they take your feet>this doesn't mean the foot fetish is canon.Too late, the damage is done, Bedo with a really specifically charged foot-fetish shall be etched into fangame history for all time, it has been decided.I kid, obviously.
>>4019539Deltraveler fans kneel before DRYgods because they all became derivative
>>4019546I understand you might not like that particular take, but there's no need to give it so much shit for it.Eh?
>>4019551Not now Sans
>>4019554Ah, you're right, that one was pretty crappy.
>>4019548>spoilerI know, I was partially joking too, you would need a bigger effort to associate a specific character with a fetish.
>>4019537Why would you ever switch out the two best possible party members?
>>4019538>>Bedo frequently spends time looking at other monsters' feet on the undernetMaybe Bedo is fetish posting on the Undernet's /vrpg/ fangames thread right now
>>4019557I meant that in a good way. >two best possible party membersThat would be our heroes Gizmo and Melody
>>4019556Well, I guess we'll see how much weird art I can make of your various characters before your game comes out.Who knows, maybe Luzma really will end up getting stuck as the resident tickle-victim, and Bedo a footfag.
No comments on the yagi green...?
>>4019546there is another DRY in development?
>>4019535>>4019545>>4019568So Yagi's a literal antenna that intercepts your thoughts? I guess that makes sense with the drawing from the other day, he should be able to steal the "Kanako's idea" act before you use it, rendering it derivative.
>>4019570Not here other than dry2 of course, but theres that one with 16 hours of "youtube story telling" someone posted earlier that seems to consider DRY1 nearly unplayable.
>>4019537>>4019536Who cares, till they actually do something, I'm assuming the game is in limbo.
>>4019570I was joking about the one in this post >>4019180
>>4019571It is based on the Yagi antenna diagram being red blue pink and green >>4014882(The colors of the fun gang + (You) )When connected to via a magic line or a physical line (lasso) it can transmit the input's thoughts into radio waves
>>4019558She's a certified freak, she'd fit right in with all of us here.
>>4019558Kanako, Noelle and Quetzali are sitting together on the monster's human discussion forum
>>4019580Would she be a freak mostly for humans? or do monsters have their own scrimblos?
>>4019583Monsters have scrimblo humans based on idealized and rumored versions of the jar'd humans
>>4019535>>4019545I get like the idea you're going through for this, but if he's an antenna he could always read your thoughts.You just might need to plug him into something.
>>4019585Their scrimblos are the antithesis of the Deltarune flowers?
>>4019586>could always read your thoughtsOnly if you achieve the connection>plug him intoOh nonono
>>4019583She could just be a freak in general.She's a neet, there's no way she's completely normal.
>>4019588Anon you do understand that like, cable and antenna are two different things right?
>>4019589>She's a neet, there's no way she's completely normal.watch her fetishes be the most vanilla stuff ever, but with humans
>>4019587Not really an antithesis.Monster scrimblos are like our scrimblos but for monsters. Like the famous:>Integrity's melodic feet jobs>Yellow's beard>Kindness's genoslides
>>4019592That could be funny, but I do still like the idea of her also being just a bit weird sometimes.Could be cute to tease her for either though, whether she's into handholding or feet, it matters not in the end.
>>4019581Quetzali doesn't seem like the kind of girl that would be extra interested in dating a human
>>4019591Yes, that's why it can't your read your thoughts straight, it needs a "cable" to connect you to it
>>4019596None of these are fun mental images.
>>4019598But she *is* into exploring, and having a partner of another species is one hell of a frontier to explore.
>>4019598She is atleast interested in Val because of their shared autism. Likely she would think that all humans are super courageous like in her favourite dragonballz, so she is probably into them
>>4019597what if she's as much of a freak for vanilla and freaky stuff>whether she's into handholding or feetMaybe she's into interlocking toes, her feet don't let her live her fantasy
>>4019600That's how us talking would probably sound to them
>>4019599Serious question, how do you think a radio works?
>>4019591Yagi plugging in his cable into Kanako!
>>4019601>>4019602maybe she wouldn't mind dating a human, but I don't see her spending time fetishposting about humans on /x/
>>4019603>Maybe she's into interlocking toesHm.Alright, bit far for me, but I won't judge her too harshly for it.
>>4019606Cole plugging in his "cable" into Yagi!
>>4019607Maybe not active fetish posting, but maybe she's just weirdly curious about humans.
>>4019605He is not a radio, he is an antenna though.
>>4019607Wait, why /x/?
>>4019608>Alright, bit far for medidn't you said you wanted to suck on her toes?
>>4019607They are all co-protagonists in their respective DR games. Also Noelle had to learn about boundary breaking from somewhere
>>4019613Yes.And?
>>4019609Kanako, Yagi, Cole threesome!
>>4019612anons have joked about Quetzali hunting cryptids on the underground, the out of bounds stuff also seem like a topic for /x/, but seeing how its not some secret knowledge maybe OOB is more of a /out/ thing
>>4019616Just Yagi and Cole, Kanako can watch.
>>4019618Anon... Kanako got knotted, she can't go...
>>4019617No, I get that, I'm just asking why she'd be fetishposting there specifically.
Honestly kind of fucked up to think about, but this would mean it'd be impossible to hit Yagi since he could essentially read your inputs before you tried to attack him.
>>4019620Fine, Cole can take her knot instead.
>>4019610Maybe she accidentaly saw one hentai ova thinking it was some obscure shonen anime, after that her perspective on humans was never the same
>>4019622Only if he can actually dodge.Like an abused child learning to input-read his drunken father, it only helps him if he can evade the attacks.
>>4019622>it'd be impossible to hit Yagi since he could essentially read your inputs before you tried to attack him.he can only read your inputs while you touch him, seems a bit useless for a fight
>>4019624Kanako doesn't have it. She doesn't know how to tie ropes
>>4019621aren't there fetish posts on that board? things like summoning succubi, or in this case "encounters" with humans
So.Anyone ever make a lewd of Yagi before?
>>4019628But she can shoot them.
>>4019632No, someone joked about a female Yagi one time I think, but that as far as things went with YagiI guess he has the Shu effect of anons not wanting to lewd someone's random OC
>>4019632No, most people around here seem to be attracted to personality to some degree alongside the other bodily features.
>>4019632I wouldn't.
>>4019633Only if Cole gives it to her really firmly
>>4019637Damn, didn't think he was that tight.
>>4019638Kanako is just that big
>>4019639kanako's morbidly obese?!?poor cole, he's probably flat as a piece of paper.
>>4019640Don't worry, she gets plenty of exercise humping Cole's holes all day.
>>4019636I won't, just curious as to whether or not anyone ever did it.When it comes to lewding OCs that aren't our own, I assume we operate on a policy of "no first use", just like modern nuclear policy in warfare.
>>4019641enough, futanigger.back to the >>>/trash/ with you.
>>4019638She ain't that tough of a dumpling to eat out, so it is not a tight ling to do, you just need to be a little cunning
>>4019643what makes futa more hated than other fetishes?
>>4019643Can't go back to where I never came from, sorry.The shitpost's are coming from inside the thread.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ENOUGH
>>4019645>normal discussion>"HEY FUTA. LETS TALK ABOUT FUTA FOR THE REST OF THE THREAD"you are a PEST, nobody wants to talk about your faggot fetish.
Never gets old.
>>4019648I've got balls of steel!
>>4019649I was just curious, you don't have to engage with the posts, I guess, futa, ntr and scat are those fetishes that can't even be used for shitposting
>>4019644She has a very loose urethra, Cole wouldn't have to try that hard to get his tongue down there.
>Want to talk about hypothetical yagi fight>It turns into fetish shitSad
>>4019654steer the conversation back to the original topic, no one is stopping you
>>4019652I think most scat discussion is shit-posting, actually.
>>4019652Anon, get this through your head that nobody comes here for shitposting
Gonna just assume that Naranja and Oldentale are never getting finished since their respective devs prefer to shit up the threads over working on their games.
>>4019657anon, we didn't have a proper /v/ thread last week, shitpost energy builds up over time and it must be released, those anons had no other choice
>>4019658Why do you think this is our, I mean, their doing?
When did this place turn into /utg/?
>>4019659Like takin' a big ol' sheeeeeeeeeit
>>4019653No she doesn't! Also she taught her where the things are located, he has to stick his tongue lower or it is icky. But not lower into her behind!
>>4019663>she taught her>herCole's MTF now?
>>4019658you only need an internet connection to post on 4chan, you need more than that to work on a game
>>4019654sorry to say, anon. but thats what happens when you try to turn a shitposter topic into a legitimate one.its like trying to get a crack whore cleaned up and off the streets - its NOT happening.
>>4019605>>4019655Enlighten me on the way how you think a radio works, oh wise anon
>>4019663>But not lower into her behind!What's wrong, afraid of hitting her chewy, chocolatey center?
>>4019557in deltatraveler they all follow you in the overworld, its just that only three can enter the fight so you switch them around
>>4019654If he was schizo (Super boss?) and someone could figure out how they made >>4014882 it could be really cool if he gently floated up and down in rhythm with it.
>>4019661We've had unrestrained fetish posting for a while now, this is just the natural consequence of not telling some people to tone it down sometimes.
>>4019666>>4019667Something with waves, I don't know, I wasn't part of that topic. maybe you need to equip tinfoil hats before you fight Yagi, otherwise he overloads you brain with schizo lore
>>4019671The UT Futility design doc will save us all, just wait
>>4019666Ok, Satan. But it is genuinely interesting? It's not like the other fetish discussions were sparked by "shitpost topics". It's only a "shitpost topic" if you believe it so...
>>4019673Other than potentially being a good target to make fun of for a thread or two, I don't see that making much of an impact.If nothing else, we'll get to talk about the ideas for an actual game they made up on the spot for the document instead of actually making a real game.
Ah yes totally organic, days of normal discussion and then suddenly an extreme escalation in the fetish discussion to futa on male, leading to "oh my god why is this /utg/ now".do your best to disengage from the nonsense anons. >>4019658ah yes of course, the moderately mild "Bedo posts on /x/ about humans" posting is on the same level as the aforementioned, or oldentale anon who doesn't engage in any of that stuff because he's not into all that discussion. Sounds like you're just riling nonsense up suddenly in the same way long term /vg/ communities try to run off creators.
>>4019674the point im trying to make is that yagi was originally sourced from shitposting.try as you might, you'll never be able to wash it all away. talking about yagi will ALWAYS invite shit like "but what if kanako was futa", because it was originally a shitpost topic.
>>4019670Would be cool if his attacks were based off of different characters depending on wave color >blue -Kris>yellow -Cole>pink -SusieWould fit in with idea stealing theme
>>4019676>oldentale anon who doesn't engage in any of that stuff because he's not into all that discussion. I'm not any of the anons you're referring to, but I think Oldentale anon once engaged in a discussion about Reynault biting once, though that one was more comedically-oriented.
>>4019679Did you just admit that you were intentionally making terrible posts because you're mad about the topic?
>>4019679>try as you might, you'll never be able to wash it all away. talking about yagi will ALWAYS invite shit like "but what if kanako was futa", because it was originally a shitpost topic.You really think Yagi is the source of the shitposting?
>>4019673Personally I'm looking towards more for DR Broken Destiny, they don't update as often but with the recent updates I believe something will happen soon™
>>4019681biting is a pretty mild fetish anyways, but oldentale anon has made it very clear he's not into male on male stuff anyways so I'm that much more willing to believe it was comedically-oriented as you put it. He's said he doesn't really like getting in depth on the fetish stuff with his characters, so that anons post taking a random pot shot at oldentale anon and naranja anon is just shit stirring nonsense.
>>4019664No Cole is a male and Kanako is a female and they are both in a straight relationship together
>>4019685>so that anons post taking a random pot shot at oldentale anon and naranja anon is just shit stirring nonsense.Oh yeah no, 100%, I was just bringing that up on technicality.
>>4019686put the bottle down
>>4019679It would spark the same thing if it was just a random antenna darkner though and not yagi
>>4019687well you are technically correct, the best kind of correct.>>4019682I don't THINK that's what he was trying to say.
>>4019686Cole's a female and Kanako is a male and they are both in a straight relationship, got it
>>4019682>>4019683you think the dukeposter is sincere and not just shitting things up for the sake of it?
>>4019680Going back to being unable to come up with a way to not make the antenna look like a keyblade, he maybe he could formchange it like when you fight lingering will/terra in kh2
>>4019682buddy i fucking hate futa and would never bring it up willingly, i would use any other fetish to thread flashbang.im just explaining to you that yagi is a shitpost topic. you are trying to turn a crackwhore into a tradwife.its never going to happen.
>>4019682NTA, but it feels like there's been a lot of troll accusations being flung around lately, ever since that incident in the last thread.Can't help but feel like maybe that was the point, rile people up and obfuscate things, make everyone point their fingers at everyone else.
>>4019645nta but for the gay anons it's putting a dick where they don't want it, they want it on the guy. I know a gay dude who gets pissed at the twink stuff as well "I don't want a dick on a woman and I don't want a girly man. I want a god damn dude."For the straight anons it's putting a dick exactly where they don't want it as well. they want to put a dick in the woman, not attach it to her.If you don't share the fetish it's literally doing the exact opposite of what both sides of the fence want. Even a lot of Bi people don't like it because they like their vegetables and sausages separated.
>>4019685>so that anons post taking a random pot shot at oldentale anon and naranja anon is just shit stirring nonsense.I'm certain that anon is mad because Oldentale anon and Naranja anon like Yagi
>>4019664>realise I wrote her instead of him>fuckGod darn I am such a criminell I gotta punish myself eternal style now
>>4019694>im just explaining to you that yagi is a shitpost topic. you are trying to turn a crackwhore into a tradwife.It worked well for Shu
>>4019700and the devil laughs...
>>4019701shu wasnt a shitpost topic, he was an OC we ported in from reddit and laughed at until we felt bad.
>>4019701Shu's a tradwife now?
>>4019693If you equip monarcRBN on Ralsei, he says that it makes his horns look like an antenna. I don't think you need to give him an actual weapon
>>4019698possibly. I'm not a fan of the little critter myself, but I've learned to ignore it, but it's a lot harder to ignore the escalation that happened (It's still best to ignore things like that but well, I'm only human.)>>4019701nta, but shu is a little different. he's a shitty OC, but he was still made sincerely before we made a shitpost of him. he fell into a middle ground (and some people still don't like him). Yagi was originally a shitpost in it's very conception. I don't begrudge people non shitpost yagi discussion, and I even responded to the antenna darkner thing a bit (I'm astounded that anon doesn't understand what antennas functionally do in regards to radio waves), but he was originally made to vague post and stir up stuff. it's harder to get away from that.
Quick question, for anyone who feels like answering.What do you think Bedo's hair feels like, to touch?Like, is it a solid mass of slime?How dense is it, does it feel remotely comparable to hair at all?I guess this is mostly directed at Naranjadev, but I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts on the matter too.
>>4019702Shut up jevil you are also a criminell, go back to being betrayed and trapped for 1000 years in schizo jail
>>4019705Oh I skipped over making the monarch ribbon.>Ralsei has specific dialogue for it
>>4019707>Like, is it a solid mass of slime?yes, but if you strike it hard it's like those liquids that are solid-like when hit with enough force. if you squeeze her hair hard, it's solid, but if you "run your fingers through her hair" you sink through it gently.Oh but it's default state is a little more solid than the material I mentioned above. (I'm not naranja anon, just my wild shot at the idea)
>>4019706>doesn't understand what antennas functionally doExplain it then, vagueposter
>>4019706>I don't like him, and I assume people are completely insincere about liking himOh, well there's your problem.
>>4019712I don't think I was really vague posting, I was saying that in response to that discussion you(?) and the other anon had about radio waves and cables. the antenna receives the radio waves (it doesn't have to be "a radio" to involve radio waves) and the cables on the antenna go down into the house (or what have you) to carry those waves into [device]in laymans terms.>>4019713I said nothing of that sort in any way shape or form. Why are you trying to start an argument where there is none.
>>4019711>yes, but if you strike it hard it's like those liquids that are solid-like when hit with enough force.I would rather not strike her in the head hard, if you don't mind.>if you squeeze her hair hard, it's solid, but if you "run your fingers through her hair" you sink through it gently.Huh, weird idea.Neat, but not too sure what to make of that.I guess her being slimy was already known beforehand though, I just never gave that too much thought by itself.>(I'm not naranja anon, just my wild shot at the idea)Thank you for the clarity, and the input, that was interesting.
>>4019710MonarchRBN also gives "HasAntenna" status effect when equipped
>>4019714>Why are you trying to start an argument where there is none.nta, but consider the subject matter and you'll have your answer.
>>4019714I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just saying you have or at the very least seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about the topic that disconnects you from people talking about.
>>4019714Yes! Thank you for telling me what I already now, how does it contradict what I've said?
>>4019715>I would rather not strike her in the head hard, if you don't mind.well, I was working both with the idea of how she'd react in combat (since she once had that dream right?) and in "other scenarios." you know?
>>4019720>well, I was working both with the idea of how she'd react in combat (since she once had that dream right?)Ah, I see.I suppose, just hitting her wasn't on my mind at that point.>and in "other scenarios." you know?...do I know?What other scenarios?I don't know if you can do normal freaky hair stuff when her hair is basically silly putty, that seems like it would complicate things.
>>4019716I probably should have made it.
>>4019719well then were you this anon?>>4019611
>>4019483There are people here who won't play Wildfire because of the graphics.
>>4019710>specific dialogIt's flavour text, like when you try to equip justice axe on Noelle she says "Susie beat up an old man???". Not actual "dialogue"
>>4019718ok, you didn't read my post, and are trying to get me to continue arguing over something i've expressed not really caring for or about the existence of. Have a good one.
>>4019725I think that's moreso about the art direction than the graphics.Not that it matters, since it looks like no one'll be playing wildfire at this rate.
>>4019722>>and in "other scenarios." you know?>...do I know?>What other scenarios?>I don't know if you can do normal freaky hair stuff when her hair is basically silly putty, that seems like it would complicate things.oh sorry, I just got off work so my mind is a bit scattered. I think this applies to her body as a whole, so it would also apply to her breasts. You squeeze hard and she might react in a particularly nice way, or you touch her gently and you sink partway into her if she's relaxed. I just assume her hair has the same texture but is kept to form since she's a slime.again, I'm not the naranjulator himself.
>>4019707>What do you think Bedo's hair feels like, to touch?Probably like touching a slug, but less slimy, monsters like her should be able to control their viscosity.>Like, is it a solid mass of slime?I don't think there's that much distinction between her hair and the rest of her body, other than the hair being lighter and more pliable.>How dense is it, does it feel remotely comparable to hair at all?I doubt it, maybe its like touching a water balloon, she's half slime half sea bunny after all.
>>4019730>oh sorry, I just got off work so my mind is a bit scattered. I think this applies to her body as a whole, so it would also apply to her breasts. You squeeze hard and she might react in a particularly nice way, or you touch her gently and you sink partway into her if she's relaxed. I just assume her hair has the same texture but is kept to form since she's a slime.Oooohhhhh, alright, now I get it, just had me confused since it seemed like you were still talking about just her hair.Well, "nice" reactions are always fun in my book, so I'm certainly on board with your idea here.
>>4019724Mayhaps>>4019714An antenna can both recieve and transmit radio waves. Your thoughts don't generate radio waves. Even screaming at the antenna won't make it produce or recieve radio waves. In order for an antenna to transmit radio waves you need to connect it to the transmitter via a cable.
>>4019734>Your thoughts don't generate radio wavesTechnically they do.
>>4019731>Probably like touching a slug, but less slimy, monsters like her should be able to control their viscosity.I don't know if I know what touching a slug is like, but I'll try and imagine, I guess.Are you Naranjadev?>I don't think there's that much distinction between her hair and the rest of her body, other than the hair being lighter and more pliable.That makes sense, it's just slightly odd for her body to be so, uniform, I suppose.>I doubt it, maybe its like touching a water balloon, she's half slime half sea bunny after all.Hm, weird.Like she's all boob.
>>4019734>Your thoughts don't generate radio wavesmaybe they do in the dark world
>>4019735Not really, and Yagi won't be able to pick them up anywayTry standing near an antenna and beam your thoughts, I am sure it will work
>>4019738Well they then appear as unintelligible noise, luckily for kanako
>>4019734>An antenna can both receive and transmit radio wavescorrect, but the impression of running a cable in any viewers mind is going to be that it is the data delivery cable, not receiving, as the vast majority of antennas are thought of as receivers (often colloquially called as such). Most people who have used an antenna in their lives know how it has the cable that goes into the tv, delivering the signal. So it makes sense to have it pick up the thoughts with the antennas, and deliver them to another darkner via cable (if there's an antenna darkner why wouldn't there be a matching one, why not?)
>>4019737>I don't know if I know what touching a slug is like, but I'll try and imagine, I guess.They are pretty squishy.>Are you Naranjadev?Yes, but this one topic on specific is not something I had put much thought until you asked>That makes sense, it's just slightly odd for her body to be so, uniform, I suppose.Slime characters with hair color different from their body look weird.>Like she's all boob.Probably a bit more dense than that, I do think the idea the anon mentioned of her working like a non Newtonian fluid is cool, so that's another possibility of how her body works.
>>4019743Ok, but your idea is more outlandish if you know how radios work? Then why did you accuse me of not knowing?The thing is, you'd have to create a second darkner who is going to be the reciever of information and that complicates things
>>4019744>They are pretty squishy.That'll do then.>Yes, but this one topic on specific is not something I had put much thought until you askedMan, guess I just ask all the thought-provoking questions, huh?>Slime characters with hair color different from their body look weird.I agree on that, I just meant like, material consistency, I guess.Is any of her solid, does she have some kind of skeletal structure or anything?>Probably a bit more dense than that, I do think the idea the anon mentioned of her working like a non Newtonian fluid is cool, so that's another possibility of how her body works.Well, squishy enough anyway.I guess her being able to control her own density would be helpful in combat, kinda reminds me of how Nevadeans in Madness Combat have the consistency of clay, though it's not as helpful for them.
>>4019746>Is any of her solidShe can probably make parts of her body solid, not that different from flexing your muscles, only that she can make herself more liquid.>does she have some kind of skeletal structure or anything?I don't think so, sea bunnies are invertebrates, maybe she has something similar to bones that help her keep her biped shape, monster anatomy is already weird enough so its hard to tell.>I guess her being able to control her own density would be helpful in combatThere's more than one technique in Baki based on forcing your body to act like a liquid, its quite overpowered actually.
>>4019492I'm imagining Bedo sliding along the floor because she's too lazy to lift her feet.
>>4019495He'll come out as Japanese
>>4019770Honestly a funny though>controller just too far away>she could get up, or... she could just kind of slide her way over
>>4019752>She can probably make parts of her body solid, not that different from flexing your muscles, only that she can make herself more liquid.Yeah, I guess it scans that monsters like her would have more exotic forms of body control than us.I don't think so, sea bunnies are invertebrates, maybe she has something similar to bones that help her keep her biped shape, monster anatomy is already weird enough so its hard to tell.Maybe she just gets a little harder closer to her core?Hm.>There's more than one technique in Baki based on forcing your body to act like a liquid, its quite overpowered actually.Bedo's gonna be one of the hardest fights in Naranja, confirmed.
>>4019770Could probably make for some good comedic moments in-game, having her just slide about instead of actually walking.
>>4019777>something awkward happens >she just kind of start sliding off the screen out of sight
>>4019537Isn't that a really common RPG mechanic?
>>4019695I mean you have to admit it's a little weird that people will have a civil conversation, people make intentionally awful posts because of said particular topic, followed right on cue by someone saying that it's actually just inevitable if anyone dares mention said topic.It reads pretty blatantly like someone intentionally making a stink about something they don't like and then trying to blame the people discussing the topic.
>>4019782It was a joke. But it doesn't really make sense in Deltatraveller's case because (You) can only be in a soulless being without fusing with a monster soul, and at that point you won't be able to switch anymore
>>4019783I dunno, I think it happens for different reasons sometimes.Maybe sometimes it's a false flag like you say, but other times it feels like it's being done to intentionally defame someone, like in the previous thread.
>>4019568Its funny. I just don't have anything to add.
>>4019780Perfect, good.Even better if she starts sliding away during a scene where you can't move, and then you can walk in the same direction as her once the scene is over and see that she's only moved a few feet away once she was off screen.
>>4019789Fuck, thats honestly perfect.>she continues sliding really slowly now that you're on the same screen as her
Damn, now that I think about it, if Bedo can move like that with just her feet, she might give some insane footjobs...
>>4019614Quetzali learned it as a skill, Noelle just has it as a natural talent. A bit like having extra sensory perception, only instead its glitch perception.
>>4019790Unfortunately, her very slow sliding has now made *her* the source of awkwardness in the scene now.Can't slide away from herself, try as she might.
>>4019627He's impossible to catch in a combo attack. So in a party battle, only the first attack will land.
>>4019791Never understimate an anon's ability to turn part of an scrimblo's anatomy into something sexual
>>4019797But am I wrong?
>>4019793You staying in the room watching her slide, only makes it that much more awkward. Talking to her makes the sliding just ever so slightly faster
>>4019798I can't tell, I'm not into feet
>>4019645What the second guy said. I want to see a girl, not a guy with tits.
>>4019799And it's too late for her to start walking normally again now, so she just has to accept her fate of being cringe.She brought it on herself.
>>4019658Anon, I've been offline all day. I only came in here just now.
>>4019801The slimy sea-bunny slugjob will be worth it no matter into feet you aren't.
>>4019792They gotta have discussed it between each over though
>>4019804>so she just has to accept her fate of being cringe.So the standard locomotion for slug monsters is now cringe? that's awfully racially insensitive of you, just because she's only 50% slug it doesn't mean she isn't allowed to move like that, she still gets slug movement pass
>>4019806Yes, but you see, something that may have vaguely reminded that anon of you happened, therefore you are directly responsible for everything that anon hates, personally.It's very simple when you look at it like that.
>>4019804See this is exactly the kind of thing she avoids by not going outside!
>>4019810No, she's cringe because she tried to escape a cringe situation using her slug movement abilities, but neglected the fact that she actually can't move very quickly like that, and as such has been made cringe herself.Be sure to look at her judgingly as she slides away at 0.5 miles per hour while she covers her face in embarrassment.
Queztali swishes with her $$$$ing tail leaves from a tree stump before sitting down
>>4019812She can't avoid it forever.
>>4019704She can be
>>4019815Woah!>knocks down buildings because it's so bigYou guys!!!Why did Toby put his macro fetish in the recent chapter, what did he mean by that?
>>4019707Soft mass of slime, probably like a really thin smooth plastic or rubber holding a thick liquid. Softer to the touch than the rest of her body, but still very different from actual hair.
>>4019815Now that you mention it, having a tail as big as hers must be unconfortable, you'd be knocking all sorts of things just by turning around.
>>4019819Susie's tail is confirmed to be small, and can only switshes small leafs from a stump (before sitting down)...
>>4019818in an alternate reallity, Shu was designed as a girl from the start and she's these threads main waifu, there would be a dev working on a visual novel with her in it and everything
>>4019728I'm gonna hold out hope because I was really excited for Wildfire.
>>4019826I unironically have a thing for jobber waifus and have multiple OCs that are basically just "furry anime jobber gf". That is the kind of story I would write.
>>4019827I don't much care one way or the other, but I think by now it's gotten to a point where I think the most reasonable interpretation of what's been going on with it lately is that it's just dead.More power to ya though.
>>4019823Quetzali can knock me any time if you know what I mean
>>4019743You can use a home TV antenna to broadcast too. It'll piss off the FCC, but you can do it. Most radio equipment is reversible. Like how speakers can also work as microphones.
>>4019830You want her to knock you up?
>>4019780>>4019777>>4019789She moves at a literal snail's pace and leaves a trail.
>>4019785You can do the "think of Susie" thing in Deltarune.Besides, I think he was talking about changing out your party composition, like in KOTOR or Fallout. So you could swap Axis out for Sadie, or Susie out for Paula.
>>4019814>Be sure to look at her judgingly as she slides away at 0.5 miles per hour while she covers her face in embarrassment.I think she's more the type to seethe internally instead of covering her face in embarrassment
>>4019808Probably, but Noelle didn't learn it from her, and their outlooks on it are inherently different.
>>4019804I'm imagining it being during some wacky over the top scene, she just starts sliding away in the background while the scene plays out without being acknowledged.
>>4019807Wouldn't any sexual act done by Bedo be a slugjob?
>>4019840>she just starts sliding away in the background while the scene plays out without being acknowledged.Only for her to be very acknowledged once the scene she slid away from ends.
>>4019814She wouldn't cover her face, she'd avoid eye contact, get that anime "three lines on the temple" uncomfortable face, and start acting really awkward every time you talk to her.
>>4019841Not everything has the suffix "-job" attached to it, so no, sometimes it's just sex.
>>4019823This reads like that one image of Asriel fetish posting about Yoshi
>>4019838>>4019843Fine, either way, staring at her the entire time is very important.
>>4019819Where was the macro fetish? I don't remember that part.
>>4019846believe it or not, I wasn't thinking of it in a sexual way, she does have a big $$$$ing tail
>>4019848One of the bits of netskie tail related dialogue.
>>4019847Of course, asserting dominance is vital (insert image of Val standing directly in front of Bedo looking her right in the face while she awkwardly stares at the ground.)
>>4019842Of course. It would be one of those optional interactions like going back to check the kitchen after the mettaton cooking show.
so is the bump limit in /vrpg/ 2000 posts?that's the biggest bump limit i've seen on this site
>>4019847>>4019853if you interact with her does she become slighty faster like the snail in the snail race?
>>4019745As the person who asked if (I'm assuming) you know how radios work, the point was that radios don't have to be wired to the source frequency, and the level of granularity that you'd have to hook Yagi up to the source, or an assembly to re-amplify and provide monitoring of the captured signal.It's simple enough he just both captures and acts as an amp and monitor for sent signals.Since, you know, as a darkner he'd both be the object (a Yagi Antenna) and a little goat fella with presumably a mouth that can communicate back the signals received.
>>4019850Which one? Where?>>4019855Its 500 posts, just like /v/
>>4019855Bump limit is still 500, this is just a slow board, our last thread had 4200+ posts
>>4019856Of course
>>4019858>Which one? Where?I don't remember exactly, go look it up.
>>4019857nta, but maybe he can transmit and receive. Normally he's receiving TV, radio, and cell signals, just random things mashed together into indecipherable noise. But if you touch him, he starts transmitting your thoughts. if Axis touches him, it starts playing a really loud dial up sound
>>4019856Very slightly faster, yes.
>>4019856>>4019861She turns super saiyan if you interact with her an absurd amount of times, after that she's gone in the next frame with a flash step visual effect
>>4019862If I don't know the line how am I supposed to look it up?
>>4019865No, she just gets steadily faster until she goes off screen. The subtlety adds to the humor.
>>4019866https://hushbugger.github.io/deltarune/text/?chap=5The exact quote is "W-woah!!! (destroys buildings because it's so big) YOU GUYS!!!"
>>4019866Okay, I found it, from that one Floradinn that's actually a netskie, I think.Here, I hope this satisfies your macro needs.
>>4019869Honestly feels really fitting for undertale. I wonder if she'd had dialogue later reflecting this or if she'd pretend it never happened
>>4019874No antisocial neet in their right mind would ever mention something like that again.
>>4019872>Toby is a confirmed fox fucker>Fox character has the most explicitly fetishistic dialogue to date
>>4019875You have to bring it up to her in order to get the dialogue option to ask how she did that which in turn unlocks the 30+ minute unskippable footjob scene, trust.
>>4019879>she did that which in turn unlocks the 30+ minute unskippable footjob sceneShe gives you a detailed tutorial on how to do pottery with your feet, also known as "footjob" in slug culture.Good thing this is UTN and not Undertail Naranja
>>4019881>She gives you a detailed tutorial on how to do pottery with your feet, also known as "footjob" in slug culture.I can't believe the localizers would censor one of the best scenes like that, unbelievable.
>>4019882Toby was right, you can't trust a localizer with your vision
Slime foot this, slime hair that.Meanwhile, I've been thinking about how on a hot day Cole and Kanako would want to swim at the lake. They forgot their swimsuits, but Cole pays that setback no heed and starts taking off his clothes, while Kanako reacts with consternation. Cole doesn't quite understand her hangup about skinny dipping.
>>4019495His mentor Hussie came out as clowngender. Kris will come out as the entire circus.
>>4019887Well you know what I think? I think thats kind of nice and Kanakos reaction would absolutely be cute.
>>4019887>Cole doesn't quite understand her hangup about skinny dipping.You would think Kanako being a monster would understand that some people don't care about wearing clothes
>>4019887You can think about whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you have to complain about other stuff.
>>4019886A "detailed tutorial" from Bedo on making pottery with her feet would probably still be hot though, so whatever.
>>4019506I always said that Starlo should've been adoptive parent for Clover/Cole, instead of Martlet or Roba.
>>4019893I wouldnt really call that genuine "complaining" anon.>>4019889Its so strange that people actually "respect" his clowngender thing as real. Feels like theres a point you have to say "ok this is parody now"
>>4019895its all text based and the descriptions barely mention feet, in fact they are so vague you could replace every instance of "feet" with "hands" and the result would be the same
>>4019891Cole understands that well of course. Kanako's retort is "Well, humans don't have fur or stuff to cover their bodies...." To Cole, that should mean she should have no issue jumping in, but bringing that up makes her only more flustered.>>4019893It's fine, I've just waited for an opportunity.
>>4019899Doesn't matter, I can imagine it well enough.She's gotta be real dexterous in order to do something like that, huh?Makes you think.
>>4019887Cole argues that Kanako wouldn't really be naked anyways, since she's still got fur.
>>4019896While I would die for the honor of momlet, dadlo type stuff has a special place in my heart. I like the idea of "north star" taking his deputy out to the shooting range
>>4019495Possibly, if we go with how Toby was referred to according to a coworker
>>4019900Cole should remind her that Knowcone walks around every day naked as the day he was born, and not once has anyone said anything about it.
>>4019905This could be nothing, I've seen people using they to refer to people with known genders just because it is being pushed as the "default" nowadays so people use it either unconscionably or just to avoid any potential misgendering.But it does scare me a bit.
>>4019901It makes me think, think of her playing co op games with her feet and her hands as separate players
>>4019910>It makes me think, think of her playing co op games with her feet and her hands as separate playersWell now I'm just thinking of her using a joystick with her feet while someone else is around for the sake of being intentionally provocative.
>>4019912Most people would find that impressive or odd, what makes her think it would be provocative?
>>4019903Maybe kanako would just jump in the water fully clothed to "escape" the pressure of the situation, but now shes in the water with a quite naked cole, and thus her situatuon is no less heartpounding
>>4019905I've used singular they since long long before this whole movement was going on, but I cant belp but assume its more intentional here
>>4019915>what makes her think it would be provocative?What's provocative about her rubbing her feet all over a long stick with repetitive motions, perhaps while giving you a smug, knowing look as she continues doing what she's doing?Well, good point, nothing forward about that at all.
>>4019919Maybe they are grooming him
>>4019906Well yeah, it would be rude to point out knowcones dick.
>>4019921>perhaps while giving you a smug, knowing look as she continues doing what she's doing?Why is she flexing her skills on me? I'm not planning on playing with my feet, seems like an unnecesary challenge
Here is some Nozzerella https://noz.rip/sketch/gallery.php#19224
>>4019928Now I'm just imagining her trying to seduce an anon who is extremely oblivious to her hints and doesn't get it at all.Or for feet in particular, maybe it would be like those ideas from way back of various characters thinking their anon has a foot fetish but being mistaken and hijinks ensue.Anywho, more slug feet for me I guess.
>>4019929That's pretty cute, I like his little Antenna horns.
>>4019932>Or for feet in particular, maybe it would be like those ideas from way back of various characters thinking their anon has a foot fetish but being mistaken and hijinks ensueI still get a kick out of that whole thing. Zenith martlet just knocking me clean the fuck out then fretting over me for the next while because of that
DRY weird route
>>4019940But of course
>>4019939And I get a kick out of it because, well, you know.The normal stuff after's still good too, I just have my tastes.See, I like the Ceroba one, but also I don't know if that would ever happen with me, because I would have her toes in my mouth the second she offered.
>>4019944>anon will never get the secret tickle ending because he couldn't hold himself backTragicAlso >get a kick out of itI have noticed the unintended pun too late.
>>4019950>anon will never get the secret tickle ending because he couldn't hold himself backThe choice of either getting to worship Ceroba's paws or tickle them would be the hardest choice of my entire life.Really, that goes for most of my scrimblos, at least the ones that have feet/paws/whatever to do things with.>I have noticed the unintended pun too late.Ah, too late, you've already made the pun.
>>4019929These drawings keep getting better and better
>>4019929You could draw something anyone would actually like you know.
>>4019961I like what he drew.
Fuuuuck, I only have a month left before I gotta get back to doing college shit, I had so many things I wanted to draw...I could do so much more, so much more!Also small WIP screenshot of my current thing with Bedo because I'm bored. Might be able to get most of the sketch done tonight but there is no way in hell I'm getting the image as a whole done this weekend without rushing my ass off, so hopefully it'll be done early enough next week.
>>4019985>college shitAm I really the only not in education, employment, or training?
>>4020006Maybe?If it's any consolation, I find existence to be miserable anyway, so it's not like it matters much.
>>4019929Very nice, but you could put it in the thread and not just over there you know.
>>4019929That looks actually cool
>>4019929>If you check the image details on that website >it's origin -undefined>date -undefined>all the other pics are normalWhat did he mean by this?
>>4019929Neat, but what's with the whole "antenna" thing people have been talking about with him lately?
>>4020008I'm actually pretty happy with existence, especially after I made peace with my neet status.
>>4020023Here: >>4014869>>4014875>>4014882
>>4020023There's a brand of TV antenna called Yagi, and someone made a shitpost drawing of Yagi transmitting fangame dev ideas back to Toby so he can steal them before they're revealed.
>>4020025Congrats, you've got one up on me then.I'm gonna keep watching this DBZ what if and then get back to work on Bedo tummy.
>>4019942Roba if Starlo actually approached her before she met chudjin
>>4020027It's a type of antenna actually, not a brand.
I often think about random things when I'm working on drawings, interactions with the characters I depicting, things I would do in their world, etc, and I just had a funny thought.I think if I was one of the fallen humans, one of the ones who wound up with their soul in a jar, I'm not entirely sure how I would proceed through the underground.But I do know, that however I did it, and whatever impact I left on the various monsters I met, that I'd want the reaction of some monsters to my soul re-joining with my body to be the same as how Dante reacted to seeing V merge with Urizen in DMCV.Confusion, followed by sudden realization, and an attempt to stop it, only to then have their shit wrecked once I'm back.Just a very fun sequence of events, that.Anywho.
TV killed the radio star
>>4019909>>4019922No doubt they're trying. It's no longer a fad or mainstream to transition out of nowhere, but that siege mentality has strengthened and if they already have ahold of someone they will try to encourage a transition or whatever to fully bring someone into the cult. Toby Fox so far has been a dirty fencesitter, throwing them a bone every now and then but never going all the way and making his game fully "woke." If he actually transitioned or whatever we can expect that to change.>>4019929Legitimately great art composition. I love the motion lines.>>4020006I was a NEET up to a week ago, and while losing so much free time is rough it's well worth not being broke.
Got some more work done, hoping to have the sketch done tomorrow, shouldn't take a whole lot of time after that.Other than doing her two colors, which is very time consuming.Also making two versions of this one because I have needs and couldn't help myself.Yes I know no one cares, but I like posting updates on shit no one cares about because it makes me feel like I'm doing something, sue me.Now, I sleep.
Ok, I feel like I've got fangame induced schizophrenia. I've been watching an anime called Shangri-La Frontier, and I keep seeing parallels to fangames. First of all, the main character is a bird guy, so that reminded me of Oldentale (though in this case its just a guy in a bird mask), but its specifically a shoebill mask, which reminded me of another Oldentale character, then there's a pair of characters in the show who have almost the exact same dynamic as Kitsy and Darkblade, one of them being a super famous model who's adored as a symbol of purity while secretly being a machiavellian psycho, while the other is her younger brother that kinda sucks at being an evil edgelord, then there's half the cast being friendly rpg monsters, with one of them being a three musketeers inspired monster who uses a rapier and has a loud and braggartly personality, then there's this image from the credits sequence, I think the fedoralord imagery speaks for itself, and lastly the show just introduced a fox masked lady named Akitsukane.I feel like I'm gonna start making a green pippins conspiracy board.
>>4020064I've seen some of that show, but I forget when exactly I stopped watching it.Anyway, I feel like a lot of these are just visual or very surface level comparisons, but try not to give Oldentale anon a heart attack, wouldja?
>>4020065>Anyway, I feel like a lot of these are just visual or very surface level comparisonsHence me feeling like a schizo. Except the one about Kitsy and Darkblade, that is not surface level, that is the exact same dynamic. Those two characters are even both bosses of a big important guild. The plot's not the same, but it is the same dynamic.> but try not to give Oldentale anon a heart attack, wouldja?But doctor, I am Pagliacci.I'm not upset by this btw, its just too many schizo connections in a row for me to not say something. I actually just think this is all a bunch of really funny coincidences.
>>4020068>Except the one about Kitsy and Darkblade, that is not surface level, that is the exact same dynamic. Those two characters are even both bosses of a big important guild. The plot's not the same, but it is the same dynamic.Eh, well, at least their general dynamic's not the newest thing in the world anyway.>But doctor, I am Pagliacci.Ah, dammit.You'd think this would've been one of the times I'd have called it properly, but I guess I'm not on my game right now. You're getting better at obfuscating.>I'm not upset by this btw, its just too many schizo connections in a row for me to not say something. I actually just think this is all a bunch of really funny coincidences.Yeah, I can understand that, I guess I just worry sometimes after the aftermath of chapter 5's release.Just glad to see you're keeping your wits about you.
I am not taking my antennas off! I am Yagi O'spool
>>4020070>Eh, well, at least their general dynamic's not the newest thing in the world anyway.First time I've seen this specific dynamic in work of fiction.
>>4020074If you wanna be really specific in terms of what they are, then yes, but I think the comparisons to Caliborn and Calliope from Homestuck still have some decent amount of weight, though Calliope's less of a match than Caliborn is.Anyway, I have to go to sleep soon, so I can't talk about stuff right now.Have a good night, or day, presumably, since you're up when I'm going to sleep.Well, actually, maybe you just have a better sleep schedule than I do.Hm.Whatever, have a good whatever.
>>4020075Caliborne is less of a match than Calliope (at least from how I've heard them described). Darkblade plays at being evil, but he's really just a dumb kid trying to look cool. Meanwhile Caliborne seems to be the personification of "kids are cruel".>Well, actually, maybe you just have a better sleep schedule than I do.No, I stayed up all night watching anime.
>>4020076>Darkblade plays at being evil, but he's really just a dumb kid trying to look cool. Meanwhile Caliborne seems to be the personification of "kids are cruel"."Caliborn", no e.Anyway, Caliborn could also be described as being a dumb kid trying to look cool, he just also happens to be willing to commit genocide on a cosmic scale alongside that.A nuanced character, to be sure.>No, I stayed up all night watching anime.Ah, well.Nevertheless.
Sad that we didn't see the "ball game" trait plantner
>>4020016You know you're right.Here you go if you haven't gone over to Noz to look at it, for some reason.I suppose it would have actually been alright to use 1 image towards the limit for this.Sorry about that.
>>4020193honestly red flower darkner would be better than pink as the SC boss, you could still have pink as an optional boss but not THE shadow crystal boss
>>4020210I don't know, I like Pink as the Shadow Crystal boss.Plus if you really wanted to really get into it, Flowery was the "Ball Game" flower.
>>4020212Flowery was the "Flowey" flower though, ball game is red
>>4020216I mean yes, but also he's certainly the most fuck it we ball character.
>>4019985>Fuuuuck, I only have a month left before I gotta get back to doing college shit my condolences, but I'm glad you were able to get a lot of art done in that time.>>4020063she seems to be having quite a good time with the current turn of events.>Yes I know no one cares, but I like posting updates on shit no one cares about because it makes me feel like I'm doing something, sue me.I like seeing the updates of lineart and all that.>>4020006I assume at any given time like 30-50 percent of posters are neets but that's just a wild guess. Just remember neetanons, if you've got all the time in the world, try and do something with it for your own sake. It feels like a battle sometimes getting oneself to do creative things after a miserable day of work.
>>4020039strange how these thoughts can come about huh? I don't draw, but I still find myself coming up with ideas with a similar tone while working on stuff sometimes. that conversation about deja vu kind of got lost in the weeds yesterday (or was it the day before?), but the mechanics of it are really secondary to the idea I think. I'm not conceited enough to fool myself into thinking I have main character energy. but if magic was fucking real, I could see myself doing the .0001 hp thing if a monster attacked me and I truly with all of my being thought the situation was all wrong.
>>4020217Frisk is still more baller, he would defeat Omega Flowery soloIt would be cool if actually got some Frisk or Chara characterisation in chapter 5
>>4020257I mean that'd be a little redundant. The lines are pretty clearly drawn in Undertale, unless you're asking for recharacterization.
>>4020257>>4020258Personally I didn't actually want any "canon characterizations" for ut stuff out of chapter 5 so even if we did get potential chara/frisk characterization, I'd want to put it in the "well this is DR so its not mandatory" box and continue going with the ideas ive forged out of steely autism for the last decade.Also while frisk would of course eventually win due to busted time powere, have some recently found art.
>>4020263also despite being the person who posted this, while I think it mostly handles the funky angle well. I hate the angle the soul is drawn at there. What the fuck the more I look at it the more it bothers me.
>>4020258We know almost nothing about Frisk except that they don't like grape sodaAnd on Chara (pre dying) we got only info from second hand sources, we don't know actually how she was like
>>4020268Oh okay, I see, you wanted recharacterization.You know if you're deciding that they aren't characterized and ignoring the actual content of the game you know that means you can write whatever you want.
>>4020263But it's not like you would use that for anything, unless you wanted to make "Undertale: LoVe" or something.I am pretty sure that the time powers are because of (You) and the nature of how underground was sealed away, not because of Frisk.
>>4020274>But it's not like you would use that for anything, unless you wanted to make "Undertale: LoVe" or something.I don't quite follow>I am pretty sure that the time powers are because of (You) and the nature of how underground was sealed away, not because of Frisk.there's all sorts of interpretations, but at best we know that Clover doesn't gain access to time powers himself until at the earliest, LV 19 (based on that one dev comment).
I just had the craziest dream.It was like a combination of Shangri-La Frontier, Jujutsu Kaisen, and Deltarune. I was in the contemporary fantasy world, a lot like our own, except their was this secret magic system that the normies weren't aware of. The whole system was based fundamentally on making deals. Not as in equivalent exchange of matter for other matter, but as in taking an arbitrary handicap in exchange for gaining an arbitrary ability. The most common example was surrendering the ability to kill anyone in exchange for be unable to be killed by another person.This resulted in the whole setting being surprisingly low stakes despite people regularly slinging JJK tier sorcery at each other, which caused everyone to develop this unusually casual attitude about the constant fighting. Leading to a lot of banter and messing around during otherwise serious fights. Of course not everyone took this deal, and some people took deals that would allow them to kill or otherwise permanently disable people who had taken it, despite their apparent unkillability, so death was still possible, if rare. To make sure fighting still had a point and consequence, instead of killing your opponent, when you beat them, you would gain the right to take something of there's as a reward. You could do this against their will if you wanted, but you would get more if you got them to agree to your conditions. Sometimes this was money, sometimes it was possessions, there was one guy who took years off people's lives to extend his, but very often it was taking a person's ability.(part 1 because character limit)
>>4020270If you call what soul flowers are "recharacterization" then yes. Integrity kid had more lore in UT than Frisk.>Ignoring the actual content of the gameRude, please provide the evidence if you think I am ignoring anything>You can write whatever you wantI wanted Toby to do it, he gave me hope with the 9th anniversary newsletter which gave us some crumbs of Chara lore and I hoped we would have some in game
>>4020279I don't really consider the flowers to at all be read as hard and fast interpretations of the humans from Undertale, and I'm pretty sure that's entirely not the point of them either.
>>4020279>>You can write whatever you want>I wanted Toby to do it, he gave me hope with the 9th anniversary newsletter which gave us some crumbs of Chara lore and I hoped we would have some in gameNTA but I feel like you may be in the minority on this one. People have 'relished' characterizing frisk especially in all of their own ways since undertales release. It's kind of surprising seeing someone actually want codified characterization for him.
>>4020276>I don't quite followA name for a hypothetical UT first fallen human fangame, since RED is already taken>Clover doesn't gain acess to time powers until LV 19He has a save slot, it just that he can't use it because of Flowey. If Flowey was gone he could save at LV 1 even
>>4020281I mean if you're paying attention to their post, they pretty clearly already have an intended characterization that they want canonized. Not that they're interested in what would be the canon characterization.
>>4020277Deltarune characters also existed in this world. Kris, Susie, Noelle, and Berdly were there. Susie was a monster, so she had already been deprived of the chance of a normal life in human society by her appearance in exchange for greatly increased physical and magical ability. She was born that way because her father had made himself a monster as part of a deal and the curse was heritable, apparently she really resented him for that. Noelle and Berdly were also monsters, but were apparently more cool with it. I think they may have had some ability which let them disguise themselves. Noelle had the ability to enter this state with incredibly enhanced combat abilities at the cost of putting her in a battle trance, however there was a secret extra cost that bit us in the ass later. It turned out she also apparently was a manchurian candidate style sleeper agent working for someone who would activate upon hearing a phrase, and she got a phone call that activated her when we were just about to fight a really strong group of sorcerers. I rushed over to the phone and had to barter to get her back for the fight, exchanging a pretty big favor with the person on the other end (with the caveat that it was not a mind control favor of course). Berdly had traded his ability to do random damage in favor of attacks that would deal zero damage except on strikes that were powers of two, and would scale up as the multiple increased. I think his ultimate was basically nuking someone if he hit them 1024 times.(you) were there also, and I assumed that role. Being a being from outside reality, I had the natural right to have a body created for me, but I gave it up in exchange for the ability to possess an existing body of my choosing. Additionally, I could swap to different bodies, but those bodies could resist me. Of course my first body was Kris, and I had to keep up this lie about me possessing these people's friend.(part 2)
>>4020283I guess I didn't pick up on that. Still a unique take wanting it canonized in any form I guess.
>>4020280Yes, they aren't supposed to be hard interpretations, but it would be interesting to see what Toby would think about them.>that's not the point of themWhat? They exist to flesh out the thing that he couldn't do in UT, like Mettaton NEO, Gerson fight and other similar things. How could you possibly miss that?
>>4020283>They pretty clearly already have an intended characterization that they want canonizedWhat? When did I ever say that? Holy arrogance
>>4020282>He has a save slot, it just that he can't use it because of Flowey. If Flowey was gone he could save at LV 1 eventhat's a reasonable idea but I don't think it's a given anywhere since we don't know at what DT threshold something gains timeline control or why timeline control only seems to happen underground.
>>4020284I made a deal with Kris that I would generally try to keep him alive and keep the best interests of his family and friends at heart, but that in exchange he couldn't tell anyone about me. This meant it was just me who had to keep up this act to not instantly become a pariah (since I was one of the few people who could effectively kill someone if I wanted to, either by actually killing them, or via possessing them).There was this certain subset of this power that allowed people to manifest their fantasies into reality as little familiars, which would give them powerful bonus abilities and help them in battle. And there was this one guy who had a deal that let him merge with his familiar to live out a power fantasy (gained super abilites) with a super transformation. His familiar with a little bone serpent, and his transformation gave him boney armor and an animal skull head.I ended up getting in this fight with this one guy who was basically Mahito from JJK (he was a real psycho who could modify people's bodies with a single touch, and would do all sorts of horrific shit with that). He killed Kris, but then I jumped to him. He cut himself in half horizontally, I was stuck in the head, while he regrew from the legs. I used an ability I had won in a fight (there was a guy who could create and save up miracles to revive other people and I had gotten a large number of his saved up miracles as a victory reward) to resurrect Kris, then jumped back into him. At that point the other guy called a time out, and we made a deal to explain our powers in exchange for the other being unable to tell anyone about them. (part 3)
>>4020284>>4020277when I was reading this, it made me think of duelist city for a moment combined with how I used to DM (special requests for your character come with downsides equal in magnitude)
>>4020302>(special requests for your character come with downsides equal in magnitude)NTA, but what Oldentale anon described is pretty much the binding vow system from JJK, Hunter X Hunter had something similar too
>>4020301The other guy had apparently given up his conscience in exchange for his body mod ability. I said that sounded like it would only enhance his abilites, but he said that back when he had a conscience, losing it was an incredibly dire cost to him. He was a good person prior to this and hated the idea of becoming the psychopath he is now. I think both of us ended up enjoying the conversation since we were so used to pretending to be normal, that it was nice to have another genuine horror we could just be ourselves around. I think we may have even considered each other friends, even if we still had zero trust or loyalty to each other. We agreed we were in a stalemate and made a deal. Our opposing sides still needed this conflict resolved, so I agreed to concede the fight if he made my host body more agreeable. The dream ended before it was clarified whether that meant lobotomizing Kris or creating a more obedient body for me.(final part)
>>4020310I figured there was some connection there, but I've never watched either (well I started HxH but never got to nen and all that). Systems like that can definitely be fun, and I actually only stopped using it myself because my players eventually found themselves more interested in characters who came from much more humble beginnings.Gameplay wise you could work this into fangames though for sure, a lot of game systems have "accept a negative feature for your character and gain creation points to select x more positive features" Caves of Qud has it but it's a terribly balanced game unfortunately. Maybe there's something that's just appealing to our minds about taking on penalties for great benefit.
>>4020302>duelist cityWhat's that?>combined with how I used to DM (special requests for your character come with downsides equal in magnitude)I think the one in my dream was based on the heavenly pacts in JJK, combined with the mentality of minmaxxing and metagaming from SLF.
>>4020318>What's that?in yugioh one of the best arcs had a rule where when you lost a duel you had to give up one of your rarest cards.>I think the one in my dream was based on the heavenly pacts in JJkmakes sense.
>>4020315You could view what happened to Cole in the DRY hard mode as a form of binding vow. He gave up his soul in exchange for increased combat power.>>4020310Yeah, it was basically JJK but if the vows and cursed energy swapped positions as the central element of the magic system, the characters were swapped with Deltarune characters, and the general vibe was closer to SLF's casual irreverence.
>>4020322>You could view what happened to Cole in the DRY hard mode as a form of binding vow. He gave up his soul in exchange for increased combat power.that's a good point, I didn't consider that one.
>>4020277Are you that guy who intentionally underslept, and did other similar specific things so he could get a game dream like Tobias?
>>4020320>where when you lost a duel you had to give up one of your rarest cards.You wouldn't be able to take someone's best ability in my dream by force. For that you'd have to get them to agree to it. Of course you absolutely could screw them over without their consent, but that only meant it was generally in both party's best interest to come to a willing deal rather than just taking something.
>>4020324No, I just get wacky dreams like this sometimes. Like that time I had that nightmare about Noelle and Dess.
>>4020325>You wouldn't be able to take someone's best ability in my dream by force. For that you'd have to get them to agree to it.yes well, duelist city was something everyone was fighting in under explicit agreement to its rules. it was a city spanning tournament.I'd assume that everyone could enter a mass agreement like "everyone agreeing to this tournament agrees to this penalty for losing a duel" thus having everyone participatings consent.
>>4020327>I'd assume that everyone could enter a mass agreement like "everyone agreeing to this tournament agrees to this penalty for losing a duel" thus having everyone participatings consent.Yeah, but good luck getting that many people to all agree to the exact same terms.
>>4020329>Yeah, but good luck getting that many people to all agree to the exact same terms.you just need someone with Kaibas autistic charisma to pull it off, and I guarantee you could find someone like that in the worlds of UT/DR.After all, having tournaments is the life blood of things like this. Anyone who wants to be considered the strongest under heaven would gladly enter such a tournament to prove their might.Hell Vals first in line even.
>>4020331I suppose there is the potential of gaining all kinds of incredibly strong abilities. So its high risk, high reward. The more foolhardy sorcerers and the incredibly desperate with little to lose would go for it. The real issue would be getting the big fish to play, since they have less to gain and more to lose. For the more heroic ones like Susie, perhaps blackmail. You know "I'll kill your friend unless you win him back in the game", or maybe if you get one of their sworn enemies to participate. And then I guess you could have ones that think they could game the system, and therefor don't have much of a chance of losing. Like (you) would probably just bodysnatch anyone who becomes too much of a threat and then ransom their body back to them in exchange for conceding.I see Val being a recurring antagonist in this show, even if he isn't actually evil. He just keeps inserting himself into conflicts on the weaker side so he can fight really strong guys, even if those guys may be the heroes.
>>4020208Don't put them in the thread, I don't want to see this unrelated tumblr OC
>>4020336>The real issue would be getting the big fish to play, since they have less to gain and more to lose.hmm, I think usually things like this would be kicked off by the organizer setting up a fabulous prize of some sort. in some settings it's just money, but I can imagine what if the organizer was a legendary duelist that others had thought vanished forever one day. He organizes the tournament stating that the strongest among all of them will have the chance to take his coveted power, something that duelists across all eras have desperately wanted for themselves, but could never track this guy down or force him into a battle (or what have you).> For the more heroic ones like Susie, perhaps blackmail. You know "I'll kill your friend unless you win him back in the game", or maybe if you get one of their sworn enemies to participateyeah you could have a lot of set ups for why characters would want to be in there.>And then I guess you could have ones that think they could game the system, and therefor don't have much of a chance of losing.Battle city had people using cheat decks that were built entirely around drawing instant win conditions or I think using counterfeit cards, so I could absolutely imagine people joining thinking they had the golden ticket to gaining the holy grail so to speak.>I see Val being a recurring antagonist in this show, even if he isn't actually evil. He just keeps inserting himself into conflicts on the weaker side so he can fight really strong guys, even if those guys may be the heroes.absolutely, he's not even interested in the grand prize, but rather he's one of the relatively few that recognize early on that you're going to have to fight the legendary duelist to get his reward, and so the thought of getting to have that fight at all makes him waku waku.
>>4020339>Battle city had people using cheat decks that were built entirely around drawing instant win conditions or I think using counterfeit cards, so I could absolutely imagine people joining thinking they had the golden ticket to gaining the holy grail so to speak.Now I'm imagining Flowery going in there, thinking he can bullshit his way to the top, only to job when he gets hit with a reality check.Honestly, the whole thing I imagine as being one big battle royale melee with people constantly ducking in and out of fights and swapping opponents.Maybe Flowery and Shu fight each other, and have the first and only real fight of their careers, since their powers function the same way (fake it till you make it)
>>4020344yeah conceptually that could be fun. Usually battle city battles were 1 on 1 I believe, but I don't remember if that was a hard rule, and honestly you could always change that for this idea since it's not like we have to make this 1:1 to any given thing.maybe though battles could be declared as 1 on 1 if 2 people agreed, and the ancient duelist would somehow sanction that battle preventing interference (would be good for climactic battles or honor situations)
>>4020337I want to see him so he stays.
>>4020216Flowey is also the previous player of "Ball Game" before (you)
>>4020346I think he should go and YOU should go
>>4020337He's not even a tumblr oc, thats just what a schizophrenic says despite a total lack of evidence.
>>4020208I thought you were keeping it in links to be courteous to the thread and the people that didn't like the topic. I guess that's out the window.
>>4020350I was being courteous to other people who would want to use the image limit for other art or development screenshots. I posted it because they asked.
>>4020352fair enough. Then while I personally don't like the little feller, I appreciate you being mindful of that at least. I've had a lot of images I've wanted to share but because how much we've been getting fucked on weekly threads, I've been cutting myself short drastically on how many images I post. Really hoping we get to start having our weekly threads again fairly soon.
>>4020210Pink is unironically already the red flower, she isn't just a parallel to you and Kris but also Frisk and Chara/You. That's why her main weapon is a stick like Frisk as well and she's the only "flower" that's a two in one combo.
You think Val and Orange could be friends, I think that'd be pretty cool.
>>4020345>maybe though battles could be declared as 1 on 1 if 2 people agreed, and the ancient duelist would somehow sanction that battle preventing interference (would be good for climactic battles or honor situations)NTA, I think there being no rules on how many people can fight each other adds to the chaos, most encounters would still be between two people, but some could turn into 1 vs 1 vs 1 if one of the party involved believes their chances of winning are higher in that type of scenario
>>4020354Anon... Pink is an unused soul color shown in UT concept art... She is not the red soul...
>>4020355I think Val would get annoyed at the actual cowardice really quick but that's just me. I think he'd want to bully orange>>4020357yeah it adds to the chaos, but I think sometimes in those kinds of "series" you really want some of the less chaotic fights where everyone is just witnessing the power of the fight. If nothing else then maybe there could be characters that are strong and COULD step in, but they are personally respecting the fight taking place and preventing other more opportunistic ones because they "respect this clash between titans"
>>4020286nta, but the flowers seems to be intentionally the opposite of the trait they represent. So if anything they're explicitly the bizarro opposite of the human they're equivalent to.
>>4020354Pink is actually Fear, trust me bro
i still like the thread joke of pink being the soul color that makes you lame
bread?
>>4020361They are not the opposite, just because they are themed after a certain trait doesn't mean that they have to follow it to 100%.Aqua being inpatient still fits the theme of patience. Their traits just have a twist pulled on them, but it's not completely opposite for most of the flowers
>>4020337Unrelated is from /trash/, anon
>>4020365I'll try soon but keep in mind we may have no luck this weekend. It could take a while for all of this to blow over.
fuck it, they said the links were in the archives, I'll just find him myself
>>4020355I think Orange is too much of a crybaby for Val, if she were actually courageous and tried to fight him despite doing 0 damage he would respect her, but that's not how that little mouse acts most of the time, Orange makes for an easy bully target.
>>4020371what?
>>4020358The pink from the unused soul was just the beta version of purple. Even though Pink isn't LITERALLY red she's the closest to fulfilling the role a red flower would with her weapon of choice and parallels.
>>4020239>my condolences, but I'm glad you were able to get a lot of art done in that time.Not as much as I'd have liked.Hoping I can get at least 5 or 6 more drawings done before my time is through.>she seems to be having quite a good time with the current turn of events.Well, you could say something like that.>I like seeing the updates of lineart and all that.Oh, good.
>>4020373he's trying to get the stupid creepy pasta version of yagi shit going again or he's trying to stir up the person who believes all of that. just ignore him.
>>4020283>spergs out>runs away when confrontedWhat a pathetic display! I accept your concession, make sure to delete your post out of shame
>>4020345>Usually battle city battles were 1 on 1 I believe, but I don't remember if that was a hard rule, and honestly you could always change that for this idea since it's not like we have to make this 1:1 to any given thing.The inspiration behind this is Jujutsu Kaisen, which is often jokingly called "JumpJutsu Kaisen" for how opposed to the trope of the fair 1v1 death match the characters seem to be (basically every fight is a group jumping somebody or getting jumped), and the show is full of city wide melees. There was one guy in season 2 who was a complete shrimp who just went around ganking people after they were injured from other fights the entire time. That, combined with how Deltarune battles are party based, makes me think these fights would generally be anything goes unless specifically stated otherwise, and tend towards group battles.
>>4020376It sounds more like he's threatening to doxx him which would be a total faggot thing to do.
>>4020374She uses the purple soul mode in battle. I then the red soul connection is tenuous at best. Even if that is the intention, its so utterly whiffed by being the only returning boss from Undertale that it loses any meaning it could have had about the red soul. in the confusion
>>4020379>The inspiration behind this is Jujutsu Kaisen,I know, but I assume at this point we're working with the mishmash of ideas that I've also thrown in there. at the very least I'm just contributing to the idea with what I know and grew up with.>for how opposed to the trope of the fair 1v1 death match the characters seem to be (basically every fight is a group jumping somebody or getting jumped), and the show is full of city wide melees.ah well, while I do have fun with the brawls, I think I'd be a little less interested if this 'had' to follow the jjk approach only and just be open brawls. narratively brawls and 1v1/2v2 accomplish different things and it would be unfortunate to not be able to consider those as well.
>>4020374>The pink from the unused soul was just the beta version of purple.Proof?She can't fullfill the role of the red flower since she doesn't represent any fallen humans. Unless you think that Frisk is a robot or something
>>4020381there's no one to dox, please stop engaging in this. Every link leads to a 404, including the "super secret altchan links." those links aren't internet archived either, there's NOTHING, please just go back to discussing video games.
>>4020366>just because they are themed after a certain trait doesn't mean that they have to follow it to 100%.Yeah it does. Otherwise they don't have that trait.These aren't themes, these are soul traits, they define the person's soul.>Aqua being inpatient still fits the theme of patience.No, she explicitly defies the theme>. Their traits just have a twist pulled on themThat's not a twist, that's the blatant antithesis.
>>4020377Crying that you're still upset an hour later is not a victory, or even how conversations work.
Since making /v/ threads is risky lately and this thread is on page 9 with plenty of image slots left, I will be posting the new update for this comic here
How I be feeling seeing anons sharing their works and I have nothing to contribute
>>4020389Oh shit Kanako got possessed
>>4020392ENTER Susan and Frisk
>>4020389>and this thread is on page 9 with plenty of image slots left,you'd be surprised how quickly the image limit can be reached. I'm not complaining, it's on topic, but just saying I thought we were "all good" around this many posts on page 9 in the last thread, then we sat at page 10 for a whole week.Also something still bothers me about this persons art but I like at least that he does something with chujin.
>>4020357No way, there'd be all kinds of two or three v ones going on. Maybe at some point, a whole crowd of upstarts tries to jump the knight thinking they can overwhelm it with numbers.>you really want some of the less chaotic fights where everyone is just witnessing the power of the fight. Or maybe everyone's too busy with their own fights to jump in.>but they are personally respecting the fight taking place and preventing other more opportunistic ones because they "respect this clash between titans"Maybe, or maybe they've made a deal with someone else to keep third parties out of their battles. Or maybe the weaker people are simply too afraid of both fighters to jump in. They'd rather take this chance to move freely while the big fish are distracted.
>>4020393And then there is Chara and this is starting to become a clusterfuck, really I'm only following this for Clover and KanakoAnyway that's all new pages for now
>>4020363It fits, lamest secret boss so far.
>>4020387So if Clover does an injustice then he is no longer a justice soul? A justice soul can't display any patience, bravery, kindness or perseverance? You also contradict yourself since Kris can use "Courage" act despite being a cyan human.The flowers act as the fallen humans would, not as literally soul traits. Aqua's trait is still patience and not "impatience"
>>4020390That feeling doesn't go away even when you actually do have something to contribute, I'm afraid.
>>4020390Best time to make something cool to post is before you write your reply.Second best time is now.
>>4020382Using the purple soul doesn't really matter since Seth already exists as the purple soul, but I agree it's tenuous, it's just the best one that matches red soul out of all the 8 flowers. >>4020384It's the only soul color missing in the concept art, and Orange is a mouse and she still represents the bravery soul. Pink is the only "flower" connected to a higher power/ghost like Frisk is.
>>4020388I've waited until you would reply, yet you ran away like a bitchIf you can't prove your point then it's my victory
>>4020397Man, this is stupid.
>>4020404yeah it's slim pickings with Dadjin stuff, but the plots this person works with are a little half baked, and he seems to stop randomly to start something new (admittedly, I know this feeling myself).
>>4020383There would probably still be 1v1s and 2v2s, but I get the feeling those would be in the minority, rather than the majority like it is in most media. I just really like how characters in JJK fight to win rather than for honor or self improvement. I feel like these handicaps could explain the presence of duels though. Maybe two parties agree to team up against any third parties intruding on their fight so they can have a proper 1v1.
>>4020402>it's just the best one that matches red soul out of all the 8 flowers.I think its not connected at all, and its better if it isn't because that metaphor is so muttled and confused that it drags down all characters involved. What an awful character.
>>4020402Anon, I think it's just a gag about the Pink soul being unused, you are reading too far into it.Also a common headcanon is thag Pink's soul trait is "Ambition" (Mentioned in Goner Maker), and it would fit Mad Mew Mew
>>4020406>I just really like how characters in JJK fight to win rather than for honor or self improvement.there's a ton of other reasons that you can have a 1v1 or 2v2, though I respect how much you like the more free for all nature. I just don't want other kinds of fights to be excluded on principle because you can come up with a lot of really cool dynamics> I feel like these handicaps could explain the presence of duels though. Maybe two parties agree to team up against any third parties intruding on their fight so they can have a proper 1v1.like this, I do like this. I like that maybe not every character cares about the 1v1/2v2, but that surely there could be some who do.when working with characters from UT/DR it's very fitting because they all have very different motivations and some of them would naturally care about fair fights and some wouldn't.I think Val would care about a fair fight, not in that he hates the challenge of being out numbered, but if someone jumped in on his fight to attack his opponent, he'd hate that probably.
>>4020399>So if Clover does an injustice then he is no longer a justice soul?No, he just simply wouldn't do an injustice. Anything he does would be done out of the desire to bring justice.>A justice soul can't display any patience, bravery, kindness or perseverance? They can, but only less than their main trait, otherwise it isn't their main trait.>act despite being a cyan human.Kris has the red soul. I never said he had the cyan soul.>The flowers act as the fallen humans wouldNo they don't. They act how the humans wouldn't.>. Aqua's trait is still patience and not "impatience"No, her trait is the lack of patience. That's what defines her. Just like how Orange is a coward and Yellow doesn't really know what justice is.
>>4020389anon, we could be on page 9 for weeks. Don't do that.
>>4020407Pink already mirrors a red soul (you) so adding a connection to the Undertale soul that already was a similar situation doesn't change much.>>4020408There's no real "pink" unused soul outside of one drawing of Omega Flowey, I doubt it's a reference to that and that obscure fanon. Again, she already mirrors a red soul, I wasn't convinced about it until someone mentioned her weapon being the same as Frisk's (a stick)
>>4020419There was a really popular infamous comic or series (don't remember exactly) that had a Pink soul human. Toby 100% knows about it.
>>4020389Wait, is Chujin raising Roba and Starlo's adultery baby?>>4020393Wait, are they gay now?
>>4020414>No, he just simply wouldn't do an injustice. Anything he does would be done out of the desire to bring justice.NTA, but him being a justice soul doesn't make him incapable of committing injustice, just that his intent would be to bring justice.Justice is blind, you know.
>>4019985>>4020063>Yes I know no one caresI care, drawings are an important part of what keeps these threads alive and I like seeing how people here develop their skills.BTW, about your Bedo drawing, something that I didn't mention when you made the first drawing, her eyes have white sclera and they are meant to be dark orange in color (used to be a brighter orange), of course you are free to ignore this information if you prefer to keep them the way you've been drawing them.
>>4020419>Pink already mirrors a red soul (you) so adding a connection to the Undertale soul that already was a similar situation doesn't change much.The purple soul was not a similar situation, and there's that other pink soul its connected to, and there's mewmew, who's already a character in Undertale. Its all one confused clusterfuck of a metaphor that means nothing and drags down everything it touches. Spamton already did the metaphor for (you) way better.
>>4020419Its not a stick though, its a wand or a baton.
>>4020424>her eyes have white sclera and they are meant to be dark orange in color (used to be a brighter orange),So, she has white sclera and dark orange pupils?Alright, I can try and implement that.
>>4020412Val would probably attack the person "helping" him and turn it into a 2v1 against himself
>>4020414Seth is perseverant, Green is kind, Blue has integrity. And Yellow has a sense of justice even if it is quite extreme and gullibleAlso did you forget the part where they say:>Thank you for watching my dreamDid the allegory fly right over your head? Deltarune is Toby's dream, the flowers is his interpretation of the 6 jar'd humans. They are not literally them and they are not the opposite of them. They are what Toby thinks they would be
>>4020423Yes, but these are soul traits, its all internal. So from his own internal POV he is incapable of doing injustice, since he only ever commits actions he views as just.
>>4020420Mew Mew has nothing to do with Betty or fear so I doubt it's a reference to her, it's more of a stretch than my interpretation. >>4020426>The purple soulWhat are you talking about? Just because she uses the purple soul doesn't mean that's who she is mirroring, just like how Flowery isn't orange because he uses that soul mode. There's no canon pink soul and Mew Mew is a Kris and (You) mirror, you might dislike it but that doesn't mean it isn't. I don't think it's a stretch to assume she also mirrors the red soul from the other game. You can disagree though, I don't think it's a good metaphor either if that was the intention.
>>4020420>There was a really popular infamous comic or series (don't remember exactly) that had a Pink soul human. Toby 100% knows about it.Glitchtale, it was an animated series on youtube, I never watched a single episode of it, but from what I've heard the entire show goes full retard later on and it turns into a poorly made battle shonen, the pink soul in there is overpowered to a comical degree too.I think Glitchtale is hated in the wider fandom, but from something the author did and not just because the series is bad.
>>4020429Those are big sticks. Again it's not perfect but she's the closest to a red soul.
>>4020405Yeah, but like, man.I tried following along with this, even though I myself don't really care for most of the concepts presented in this comic (which also goes for a lot of post-UTY fanworks for me honestly), but this just feels dumb in a lot of aspects.I guess if it's the only thing you have for Dadjin stuff, go nuts, but man.
>>4020436NTA, but then why isn't she called "Red"?Or even "Lightish-Red" or something?Feels like the game could've made a stronger connection there if that's what it was going for.
>>4020434>Mad Mew Mew has nothing to doShe is a reference to people making fanmade humans with a pink soul. If she was supposed to represent Frisk then she would literally have a stick as a weapon, which she doesn't. The other flowers have weapons that are direct counterparts to their UT one
>>4020432>Blue has integrity.Not really. She seems to be inconsistent as hell.>And Yellow has a sense of justice even if it is quite extreme and gullibleHe seems to have none, just the desire to pursue justice. If he had a sense of it, he would actually know what is and isn't just.>Did the allegory fly right over your head?I don't think there is an allegory. I see what you're saying and reject it.>Deltarune is Toby's dream, the flowers is his interpretation of the 6 jar'd humans.Why do you want this? Can't you see how horrible they all are, and how harmful they are to any kind of fan creativity on top of that?
>>4020438NTA, but the cope is that red objects turn pink in DW like Ralsei's horns.But thats stupid because all other flower colors stay the same through LW and DW
>>4020438I think Toby just didn't want to use the word "red" for reasons, either that or foreshadowing that the dark world makes red looks pinkish (Ralsei’s horns maybe being the red headband?). Like I said I don't think it's the STRONGEST interpretation but she's the closest flower to a red soul we have.
>>4020437some of this guys earlier stuff was a little cozy so I was giving it a pass before I read this particular one (I liked some of the stuff the guy did with chujin and clover having 1 to 1 conversations even if the art could get uncomfortable at times)however actually reading this, seeing the potential starlo infidelity baby, and starlo coming onto chujin, I'm out. fully checked out. I'll just write more of my own dadjin stuff sometime when I'm up for it.
>>4020434>Mew Mew has nothing to do with Betty or fearPink (as in the doll) seemed pretty scared of FRIEND. There's some fear.> There's no canon pink soul and Mew Mew is a Kris and (You) mirror, you might dislike it but that doesn't mean it isn't.There's barely a connection to Kris. There is no connection to the red soul in Undertale, and there shouldn't be either because pink, along with every other flower, are genuinely awful additions to the game.
>>4020436A sword is a big stick if you stretch the definition enough. So is an axe. Or any weapon for that matter. Closest doesn't mean she's close at all.
>>4020431Something like this happens in Baki, Pickle sees Baki fighting Yujiro and tries to help him, but Baki punches Pickle in the face for "trying to steal his fight" as soon as he sees him, the fight doesn't turn into a 1vs2 tho, Pickle sits down and watches the fight like a child that just got scolded.
>>4020439Betty is the only human with a pink soul OC, that isn't a popular concept. I really don't think she's a reference to Betty and that's a bigger stretch than my interpretation. >The other flowers have weapons that are direct counterparts to their UT oneAqua's knife isn't a toy knife, Seth's notebook isn't torn, Yellow's gun isn't empty. A wand would be the closest you would have to a stick between all the flowers. She certainly doesn't have a scythe like Betty.
>>4020445A wand is more similar to a stick than any of those, in fact wizard wands usually are big sticks.
>>4020448Pink isn't even a real flower. She's a doll. That's another mark against her paralleling any of the humans.
>>4020440Anon, you seek to wallow in delusion then to accept the truth. Even if the truth doesn't even do anything bad for you, and you convinced yourself that it would for some reason.>Why do you want this? Can't you see how horrible they all are, and how harmful they are to any kind of fan creativity on top of that?Please read what I said in the previous post. Toby went out of his way not to disprove all the soul prequels and headcanons! But you refuse to listen for some reason? Is it just blind hatred?
>>4020449A staff is similar to a big stick. A wand is a small, heavily worked piece of wood or metal that's usually held in one hand.
>>4020430Yes, I didn't add the white of her eyes in the overworld and you can't show colors with the portrait sprites.
>>4020443>starlo infidelity babyWait, infidelity with who?Because the kid still kinda looks like Chujin too.>starlo coming onto chujinMan, the comic author could do some real funny shit if they decide to go full speed ahead with some of these implications here.Anywho, yeah, this comic is stupid and I'm glad you're checking out of it, you could probably do something better without even trying too hard.That said, I myself still don't care too much for all that family stuff anyway, so I likely wouldn't be in the target audience for whatever it is you'd make, but it's nice to hear you want to make something.
>>4020444>There's barely a connection to Kris.If you really believe this then it's better to agree to disagree, you seem biased against Pink and the concept of flowers in general since she's a clear metaphor to us and Kris. Even her ghost is a gray Mew Mew like the Vessel is a gray Kris.
There's a lot of activity in the thread right now, maybe we could try a new thread?
>>4020453Well, technically Toriel's sprite has colored eyes, but they're so close to black that a lot of people don't notice them.Anyway, I most typically try and draw characters based off of how they're depicted visually, but I'll give this a shot for you.
>>4020454>Wait, infidelity with who?>Because the kid still kinda looks like Chujin too.it does but it's got that extra.. prong? and with Starlo coming onto a married man, it at the very least opens up some concerning stuff.>That said, I myself still don't care too much for all that family stuff anyway, so I likely wouldn't be in the target audience for whatever it is you'd make,that's understandable, we each have our likes, dislikes and indifferences. I just see this comic introducing "marital infidelity" and nope the fuck out and want to do something wholesome.Hell if people want to write chujin or starlo being gay or bi, that's whatever, but I draw a hard line at cheating.
>>4020450Pink has an entire cafe scene where the other flowers accept her as one of their own. That's why I had this theory, because the game is seeing her as one.>>4020452Good thing Mew Mew is wearing a staff, then. She's a direct reference to magical girls that use colorful staffs.
>>4020448They are still their respective weapons, they look the same as in UT if but only for the name being slightly differentIf it was the case, Mew Mew talk icon would be a stick which it isn't
>>4020451>Toby went out of his way not to disprove all the soul prequels and headcanons!If the flowers are his idea of the souls then he did the exact opposite. They must be different and not at all representative for that to be the case.You're the one forcing tenuous connections to try and enforce the death of the greatly superior fan interpretations here.Now stop being a pretentious ass talking about "wallowing in delusion" and "the truth" as if any of this shit is verifiably true. I've been trying my hardest to be polite with you, but I'm not gonna do that if you're not going to extend the same courtesy.
>>4020461>That's why I had this theory, because the game is seeing her as one.Its not though. The Flowers see her as one, but they are canonically wrong. She's an HONORARY flower. Not a real flower. That kind of thing matters a lot to metaphor.And magical girls use wands.
>>4020459>it does but it's got that extra.. prong? and with Starlo coming onto a married man, it at the very least opens up some concerning stuff.I know, what I'm saying is that I think the comic might be implying that Chujin and Starlo are the ones who had an affair, and that that kid is *theirs* somehow.Now that's concerning.>I just see this comic introducing "marital infidelity" and nope the fuck out and want to do something wholesome.No yeah, that's fair, infidelity's not my thing either.>Hell if people want to write chujin or starlo being gay or bi, that's whatever, but I draw a hard line at cheating.Yeah, but canonically married characters always invite that sort of thing when it comes to fanworks, whether it be like this comic, or with something like Haishin.
>>4020453Oh, any specific orange color you had in mind for her pupils?
>>4020455>, you seem biased against Pink and the concept of flowers in general since she's a clear metaphor to us and Kris.I agree she is, just a shitty one. What I disagree with is that she's a metaphor for anything else. Even if Toby came out and flatly stated it, he'd be wrong because he failed to actually put any Undertale metaphors in there.Anyways, I probably should just drop this discussion entirely. I am getting genuinely mad at this.
>>4020458>Well, technically Toriel's sprite has colored eyesI always thought that was a weird detail, maybe toby wanted to give all characters colored eyes at first but never went with the idea.>Anyway, I most typically try and draw characters based off of how they're depicted visuallyFair, this does make me question how often people would draw Martlet with blue eyes if her concept art didn't exist, since her eyes are black in all her overworld sprites.>but I'll give this a shot for you.You don't have to change them if you don't feel like it.
>>4020454>Wait, infidelity with who?The kid looks like Roba and Starlo, the only thing of Chujin's it has is purple hair
>>4020462Blue had face portraits as well, Pink is a special "flower" like Flowery so obviously she would have real face sprites instead of just her staff.>>4020464Frisk is also a "honarary" fallen child as they didn't get killed by Asgore either and actually escape the underground. And a magical girl wand can also be referred as a staff and even as a stick depending on the serieshttps://mahoushoujo-site.fandom.com/wiki/Stick
>>4020465>I know, what I'm saying is that I think the comic might be implying that Chujin and Starlo are the ones who had an affair, and that that kid is *theirs* somehow. >Now that's concerningYeah I hate that. I know someone around here is into that shit but I'll hard pass>Yeah, but canonically married characters always invite that sort of thing when it comes to fanworks, whether it be like this comic, or with something like HaishinI'd thought, as odd as this artist was, that he still was sticking pretty firmly to traditional family stuff. Maybe his art style was the red flag I expected all along.
>>4020467I didn't mean to make you mad, just trying to share an idea/theory. Sorry if this discussion made you mad.
>>4020466something like pic related, which is almost brown.
>>4020470>Frisk is also a "honarary" fallen child as they didn't get killed by Asgore eitherNo they're a fallen child. Being dead isn't a requirement for falling into the underground. Being a flower is a requirement for being a flower.
>>4020469Yeah, but that's a pretty significant detail, especially when it comes to fankids.I don't think the comic's actually going for mpreg as a serious plot element, but maybe it'll do some weird Venture Bros. cloning shit with Chujin and Starlos DNA or something.
>>4020473Oh, thanks, I'll probably go for something like the middle one there.Pretty eyes she's got.
>>4020468>maybe toby wanted to give all characters colored eyes at first but never went with the idea.Toriel also was the only one to have an animated portrait. I think he just didn't bother because basically nobody noticed those things anyways.
>>4020474Frisk isn't part of the dead kids squad and Pink isn't literally a flower but both of them are accepted as one anyways
>>4020476Maybe they both fucked Roba and he got both of their genes. Would explain why Roba tries to avoid any discussion of the issue.
>>4020463Why the hell would they be wearing their UT weapons and items then????>You're the one forcing tenuous connections to try and enforce the death of the greatly superior fan interpretations here.Are you genuinely illiterate? I spelled it out for you. Something isn't "tenuous" if it's not literally spoonfed to you.You imagined yourself a headcanon just because you hate Toby so much and are refusing listening to any reason and still continue to argueI am the one who was holding myself back, Oldentale anon. I was being very polite with you despite you blatantly ignoring what I said. I don't need your "courtesy". No fangame "dies", but sadly you just cannot read.
>>4020480There is no "dead kids squad" that's not how they're grouped. They're just "fallen humans" as in humans that fell into the underground.
>>4020481That feels worse somehow, just have it be Les Enfants Terribles or some shit.
>>4020483And the game itself also doesn't separate Pink from the other flowers and has them accept her but you seem to disagree with it.
>>4020482>Why the hell would they be wearing their UT weapons and items then????Because they're bizarro parodies of them.>illiteracy accusationAnd there it is, the mark of not having a single argument nor the desire to understand your opponent's position. Whatever, this discussion's clearly going nowhere good. So instead of us telling each other to go fuck ourselves, how about we just end the discussion here on friendly enough terms?
>>4020484Seems like the most fitting interpretation going off the vibes from that comic.
>>4020485Because no amount of acceptance will change what she is, she's still a flower. So the game still separates her. Its the characters that view her as a flower, while the game makes it clear that they're wrong, by making her still be a doll no matter what.
>>4020488And Frisk still isn't part of the fallen kids that died to Asgore, so just like Pink they would be a "special" flower/fallen child, then.
>>4020489And again, they aren't grouped by whether they died to Asgore. They're grouped by whether they fell into the underground. The flowers are grouped by being flowers. Pink is still not a flower.Pink is also nothing like Frisk or what we've seen of Chara, both of whom have characterization in the game. Meanwhile she is the exact same character as the MewMew in Undertale. She at best has some thematic parallels to (you) and Kris, not anything to any Undertale characters aside from herself.
>>4020482Also, can you please stop using names for people. Yes, we all probably know who we're talking to, but its just bad form to name someone like that on an explicitly anonymous imageboard.
>>4020486How ironic, you refuse to engage with my points, and you call me the one who refuses to understand the opponents position.In fact, I understand your position perfectly well, you don't want the flowers to be the fallen humans since you think that "it would kill all fangames and fan creativity". Could you perhaps try to understand my position? Instead of disregarding all the evidence just because you don't like it?Maybe then we didn't have to resort to "telling each other to go fuck ourselves".
>>4020493Okay, what is your position and what are the points you use to support it?
>>4020490Actually most of the fandom doesn't group Frisk with the other fallen children either, they and Chara are usually separated from them most often than not. Anyways the only reason I had this theory was because the game itself put Pink with the other flowers, but I'm starting to think you just don't like her mirroring anyone in general. If that's the case it's better to end this discussion here.
>>4020496So you admit that you completely refused to engage with what I said, and were only listening to yourself?I can explain your position but you can't explain mine
>>4020498I'm not admitting anything, I'm also not denying anything. I'm just asking you state your position and the points supporting it clearly and concisely so I can address them. As it is, I don't know which points you're referring to which I supposedly didn't address.
>>4020481I dislike this quite a lot. Goodness!
>>4020390Unfortunately, >>4020400 is right. At least for me, I'm never really satisfied with what I make but it's what it's.
I mean me personally I just think it's really obvious that this "conversation" is going no where since the premise itself is dishonest and busted while expecting people to pretend or at the very least not notice that it isn't.
>>4020501Hence why the image gives off such a dark aura.
>>4020504If you mean the pink conversation, I'm trying to take it in a better direction by calming myself and starting over, asking for a clear and concise statement of anon's position. I'm not trying to be dishonest, and I'm trying my hardest to remove the emotional bias I was under earlier so I can engage more constructively.I suppose I can't speak for him, but I'm not going to assume dishonesty on his part. I also probably can't assume who or what specifically you think is dishonest.
>>4020502(second anon), I think I mostly just have a bad habit of comparing myself to others, which makes me feel like my work doesn't matter whenever it gets outshined by someone else, which is usually what happens.It sucks, but it's just one of those things.
>>4020504It's just a theory discussion, I wasn't being dishonest and just telling an interpretation of Pink being a mirror to the red soul to give her more of a reason to exist. There's nothing dishonest about it. Just chill out, you can disagree over it.
>>4020508I wasn't trying to be dishonest either, just trying to find a connection to Pink since she's supposed to be one of the flowers. I already said several times it's fine to disagree over it.
>>4020508>I'm trying to take it in a better direction by calming myself and starting over, asking for a clear and concise statement of anon's position. I'm not trying to be dishonest, and I'm trying my hardest to remove the emotional bias I was under earlier so I can engage more constructivelyBased and understandable pilled
>>4020277>>4020284>>4020301>>4020312Never seen JJK but that is an incredible dream. I'd watch a series of this.>>4020379So it's Escape from Tarkov or Rust but as an anime.
>>4020498If you don't want to engage with discussion any further, that's fine. I'm sorry for any offense I may have caused you earlier. I was rude when I shouldn't have been and let my emotions get the best of me.I asked you to state your positions so I could see them clearly and decide for myself whether or not I actually did fail to engage with them. I'm certainly not without fault and can do that sort of thing, and that was a long discussion back there with multiple people going back and forth. I don't think I did that, but I can't exactly know what I don't know, so I can't prove that without you clearly defining what those things are, which is only something if you can.Fair enough if you don't want to do that, but that was me trying to start again on the right foot.
>>4020513Fair enough. Were you also the person saying the flowers are direct representations of the fallen humans, or is that someone else?
>>4020521No, that's another guy. I also believe that they're Toby's interpretation of them which is why I was trying to find a mirror for the red soul but I wasn't the guy arguing with you (?) over it.
>>4020517>I'd watch a series of this.Well you'd probably like JJK then, since the dream drew heavily from it.>So it's Escape from Tarkov or Rust but as an anime.Sorta, it has a lot fighting dirty going on. There are a few arcs that basically are just pubg style battle royales, including having everyone trapped inside of a barrier and forced to fight.
>>4020508More the concept that the flowers in the first place are meant to be some sort of canon interpretation of the humans, and further that pink should be replaced with some sort of replacement/equivalent to something in Undertale and by extension this is a statement on the canon of Undertale.The dishonest being in that the conversation doesn't really seem to have any actual relation to the flowers, and the premise of it being broken because the flowers themselves aren't actually related to the humans in the first place beyond a sort of superficial set dressing that's meant to be enjoyed on its own merits.Like how spamton Neo isn't actually meant to be any sort of statement on Mettaton Neo, and is instead the mechanical idea of an actual Mettaton Neo fight.
>>40205001. Soul Flowers are Toby Fox's interpretation of the 6 jarred fallen humans Evidence: They wear the same equipment as UT kids, they have the same omega attacks as UT kids, they both assist a golden flower who turns into an omega version of himself through their combined strength which you fight.2. Soul Flowers don't deconfirm other people's interpretations of the 6 jarred humansEvidence: All soul flowers turn back into flowers at the end of the chapter, thanking you watching their dream. If they were the "canon" version of the humans then they would stay that way. But they are not, for they are just flowers. Like the fallen humans, we can dream about what life they could've had, but they'll still remain jars in the end. Watching the whole wide world from a can.
>>4020522I don't even think I was the only person arguing against that position either, even if I was probably the most adamant opponent of it.
>>4020525I think Spamton Neo is closer to Mettaton Neo than the Flowers are to the fallen humans.
>>4020526>They wear the same equipment as UT kids, they have the same omega attacks as UT kids, they both assist a golden flower who turns into an omega version of himself through their combined strength which you fight.I read that and replied that they're not a direct equivalent, but a bizarro parody of them, like Bizarro from Superman. They wear the same clothes and have the same ability, but their personalities and most of their traits outside of those superficial similarities are the direct opposite, because they're meant to be an inaccurate parody version. Hence they aren't interpretations of them and can't be used to accurately gauge what the souls would've been like.> But they are not, for they are just flowers. Like the fallen humans, we can dream about what life they could've had, but they'll still remain jars in the endI think that goes against your first argument. They aren't Toby's interpretation of the souls, but instead Toby's idea of these characters larping as something superficially similar to the souls, while obviously failing to be actually like them. Again like Bizarro, who tries and fails to copy Superman, becoming his opposite in the process.I suppose this may just be a disagreement over the term "Toby's interpretation", what it means, and how it can applied to concepts. I don't think its applicable here, at least not without your latter point being false. And I think the latter point is true, which would make the idea of them being Toby's interpretation of the humans false.
Thinking about that Deltarune JJK dream from earlier. Now I'm thinking about the Potential Man meme and how it correlates a bit with how much everyone seems to prefer their ideal imaginary version of Deltarune over the one they actually got. I think there could be a character in that.Maybe someone made a deal to trade the real for the ideal, so they can now perpetually exist in this world of the perfect ideal. I don't know what the downside of it would be, but I assume it'd be pretty severe, leading to a really wacky character with scaling that's all over the place. One minute, he's the strongest guy in the verse, the next he's getting fraud checked by some random low tier, and all of this is completely consistent with how his powers work.
>>4020389The ESL is painful to read. Also how is Clover cognizant of Integrity's possession and not at all fazed? And this is resolved so quickly. Also I'm worried about potential cuckoldry which would be a weird tangent since Ceroba's defining trait is her unshakeable loyalty. But we can't assume things yet.>>4020473You nailed a cute character design.
So, we still laying low this time around?
>>4020536there's a Deltarune thread with over 350 posts on /v/ right now, we could give a thread a try
I made a remix of The Spire, lmk if yall would like to use it in game.I don't know how to send the MP3 here so message me on discord for the file.also if you need any permanent musicians I'd love to help with that.Discord username - themilklooker12
>>4020547Catbox it you doughnut
>>4020547Based, but yeah. Catbox itId love to hear it at least
>>4020547>I made a remix of The Spire, lmk if yall would like to use it in game.Cool, there's a shortage of music anons around here, their skills are on high demand>Discord>also if you need any permanent musicians I'd love to help with that.We don't use discord, if you need to send a link you can use catbox, also we use gamejolt for private conversations, if you want to talk with one of the devs you can post your gamejolt account here.
>>4020547use catbox or vocaroo
>>4020454When is someone going to draw or write Starlo being cucked for once…
>>4020563Some would argue the UTY devs already did that.
>>4020552ok, here is the linkhttps://gamejolt.com/@Themilklooker
>>4020564Nevermind, I forgot that Starlo was the canon cuck
>>4020567Alright, I sent you a friend request, I don't have anything planned for Naranja right now, but its good to be in contact with another music anon.You still should post a catbox link with your remix if you want DRYanon to use it or if you want to see some feedback.
axis on the other board
sorry I honestly didn't know Catbox was a thing, I'm new to this, but here is the link-https://files.catbox.moe/w61bma.MP3
>>4020579>https://files.catbox.moe/w61bma.MP3Your link is broken, probably because catbox is having some issues, try vocaroo instead
>>4020579actually i've been informed the link doesn't work with catbox so here's Vocaroo instead-https://voca.ro/1ILNmmIPdgsd
>>4020579I think the file might be broken. Try zipping it and uploading it again.
>>4020583it works nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_CSwOXgJ7gCompared to the original I'd say this one sounds more dramatic or serious? The original kinda feels like entering the lair of some cartoon big bad with the use of all the trumpetsI like it, it just feels very different from the original
>>4020593>>4020583there are like 3 different versions of the spire theme now, funnily the one in the youtube link is not used in game
>>4020593It's a cover of the In-game versionwhich is this one-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLLqabNaXlY
>deletedNot this week, I guess.
>>4020593>he didn't notice that the music in game was made by a different anon
>>4020599So, we're stuck in here again?Damn.
I've been really tired the past few days now, so I thought up a cuddle fantasy about Bedo, because I've been thinking about her a bit recently what with my current drawing of her, and I landed on the idea of holding onto her in bed as she starts to tear up from touch-starvation, as she holds onto me even harder back.She's cute.
>>4020594Post the in-game version
>>4020593This one sounds the best out of all the ones poster.
>>4020599We could always try and be even sneakier about it.That worked with the Hayden threads way back when.
>>4020607Were her tears made of slime too?
>>4020616I guess logically they would be, though I don't imagine her full-on crying like that, just getting a little misty-eyed.
Hey Oldentale anon, if you're around, what was that one thing you wanted me to draw at some point of Wiki, in some specific Weaver style?I remember you asking me about something along those lines a while back.
>>4020208The signal being sent:https://youtu.be/0Gkhol2Q1og?t=336
>>4020609see >>4020597
>>4020612Worth a try, i meant to make a thread earlier but I've been super side tracks.After all, we are in the right wanting to discuss video games
>>4020624I think it was some two panel thing of what looks like Racter being scared of The Pilgrim from Nanquest, only for it to be revealed that he's actually scared of Wiki in her battle armor, who's standing behind The Pilgrim, drawn in that dark higher detail style Nanquest used for scares
>>4020607>slob neet monster gets with a human that fell from the skymonsters must have dozens of fanfics like that
>>4020635it even makes sense in universe because the humans literally fall down from the surface and they consume a lot of anime (that somehow washes up in waterfall, what's up with that?)
I'm kind of hesitant about "new areas" in the underground, even if the dunes were fucking sick.But a journey to the center of the earth Jungle with like, sick ass aztec architecture would be cool.
>>4020652Shattered Decade (rip) had a jungle area which is where Ceroba came from though I still think the manor there should have been from Chujin's family because he was actually a boss monster while Roba was just a random girl
>>4020652Quetzali...
>>4020655Shattered Decade died?
>>4020658It's been "in hiatus" for monthsI just consider anything that goes on radio silence for 6+ months to be dead, which also puts 1000 Years I Love You there too when it had only one (1) chapter left to end it
>>4020634Was it two-panel?My initial interpretation of what you'd said back then was a bit off, since the mental image I'd constructed was of Racter cowering from The Pilgrim, with Wiki behind Racter, who is not at that point aware of her presence.Anyway, I'll see if I can do what before the month's out.
>>4020635I am more than willing to be the human who falls out of the sky to get with some monster or another.Provided I actually survive the whole "falls out of the sky" bit.
Welp, despite there not being an uty thread in weeks, i got warned almost instantly after posting a thread.Sorry, gave it a shot but the jannies are breaking the rules to hate on our threads
>>4020715Damn, that fucking sucks.I think I'll take a crack at it tomorrow, but I'll need some time to think something up.
>>4020717Ill give it some thought too. Its a shame that the people doing this dont give a shit about actually moderating the site. A yellow thread is, strictly speaking, not a general for the rules of this site.Ahh im making myself mad thinking about it, im gonna not think about it for now.
Someones been working on and showing teasers of this image for a while but its finally finished it seems.
Someone wants to discuss fangames.
>>4020734ah yes i see you've picked the MERASMUS BONUS.which will not be stated by name directly, as he owes the janitors five hundred thousand dollars for advertising his carnival games.
>>4020734Guess I'm getting filtered this time, I can't even find it.
>>4020739Nevermind, found it.
Hey, I got something of an odd request, but I need some help for a sec.Anyone here who has a twitter account, can someone go to Weaver's twitter and find the post they made (I think around Halloween last year as part of their "Kinktober examined" series) about how they draw big nipples?I'd do it myself, but twitter appears to literally not be allowing itself to function on my pc for some fucking reason, so I'm being prevented from accessing his elite level boob notes.Yes this is for the drawing I'm working on right now, I wanna get the nipples right, and Weaver knows his way around a nipple.
>>4020743>I'd do it myself, but twitter appears to literally not be allowing itself to function on my pc for some fucking reasonI believe they are trying to add addblock countermeasures and its making the site shit itself. Thats at least what my end is doing.When my company has left if you havent managed to get what you seek, I'll turn off adblock and try to get it
>>4020746Twitter seems to be having a problem with Firefox's enhanced tracking protection, which I've turned off, but it still won't let me in.I'm gonna try and turn my adblock off, since I need this high-tier nipple knowledge, but it looks like I'm just locked out entirely.
>>4020746Alright, I got through, looks like it was just the adblock.I was wrong about the year, but I have acquired the nipple notes all the same.
I drew axis on the Noz website
>>4020750I saw it, pretty funny
>>4020750It's a cute drawing, nice job.
>>4020750Ill try and take a look when im free. Love me the robot.
Think this one went too broad, harder to pivot it back around to fangames proper.
>>4014421What were some of these good bold decisions that got backtracked, out of curiosity? I know this post is a week old, but I'd like to understand this to things into perspective.
>>4020392Nako paws
>>4020690Its been a long time since I made that request, but I think that's what I requested. You may want to check the archives.
>>4020767The stockholme syndrome and rape imagery in the weird route, the major damage to Toriel and Sans's character in chapter 4, and arguably making Asgore arbitrarily into a psycho towards the end of chapter 5 to justify the divorce, though its mainly the first two that show the major lack of artistic integrity. Toby absolutely has and will walk stuff back if it sounds offensive when repeated back to him by the bsky crowd.
>>4020743why not use nitter instead?
>>4020835I think it'd only been a month or so, I remember you bringing it up again when I did that MSPaint drawing of her and [my] soul.
>>4020839Because I've never heard of such a service until just now.Anyway, I already found the nipple notes, so it's fine.
>>4020837>The stockholme syndrome and rape imagery in the weird routeYou're just mad because doe turned out to be rapist, not rapee. It wasn't a backtrack, you retards just misinterpreted it the same way common rabble did, except you liked it instead of being scared by it.>the major damage to Toriel and Sans's character in chapter 4Was not backtracked at all. >Asgore arbitrarily into a psycho towards the end of chapter 5His obsession was already set up in chapter 4. Besides, he was able to self-reflect and admit his errors, unlike Whoriel. Anyway, if he actually listened to bsky crowd, he would've given us Krusie already, considering the reaction to headrest post of his.
>>4020843>You're just mad because doe turned out to be rapistNo, I'm mad because she's still a dyke for Susie, there was no fucked up abusive sadomasochist festival date, no allusions to marriage, and because he removed the flower. You're the one reading rape where there is none. There's no sexual imagery in the new weird route, nor any abusive romance in it. Just edginess, violence, and freedom chasing. I can accept the freedom chasing not being done by the player even if I dislike it, but the walking back of the rape imagery I can not. The chapter 5 weird route reads like something written by a fan who liked the creepiness of the previous parts of the route, but disliked the idea that someone could enjoy being raped.I actually like the idea of Noelle becoming an aggressive psychopath after chapter 4, but only if it also showed an escalation of that dark romantic relationship between her, Kris, and (you). She becomes more aggressive in chapter 5, but there's no more of the imagery or metaphor that made the route so good up to that point.>Was not backtracked at all. Yes it was, he completely defanged that scene by making Kris have a way in the whole time, Toriel know where he was the whole time, and having everything go back to normal the next day. Complete backtrack that removes any negative connotation aside from her making too much noise.>Anyway, if he actually listened to bsky crowd, he would've given us Krusie alreadyI said bsky crowd because I didn't want to say Toby's intersectional gender-aware leftist friends, but I guess I should've been more specific. I mean the kind of people that aggressively push Suselle because its representation. They're the same ones that vehemently denied the weird route was depicting stockholme syndrome and was a rape allegory, and they apparently convinced Toby by doing it.(character limit)
>>4020843>>4020851>His obsession was already set up in chapter 4. His obsession was, but we had no reason to believe it wasn't justified nor to think he was a violent unhinged psychopath. Even chapter 5 gave us no reason to think that until the very last minute when Toby ran out of time and forced it because he couldn't think of a more graceful way to introduce that characterization. I could accept that if he had actually set it up better and given Asgore enough screen time and characterization to justify it, but he didn't. He spent the whole chapter on the flowers, and just did a bunch of really bad telling to quickly get Asgore out of the way, like he was doing it purely out of obligation.
>>4020843I'm gonna add a third reply here to show you what I mean. The VN fangame Childhood's End is pretty good despite being incredibly short. It, similar to chapter 5, allows you to pick the "Kris option" of refusing her advances and trying to pair her with Susie, and she flatly refuses and makes advances on you of her own volition in the ferris wheel, while Kris has a mental breakdown. That's what the chapter 5 weird route would've been if it were good. It would have been framed as an overtly romantic act, while also being genuinely abusive, because in Noelle's broken disassociative brain, this is an act of love, and she does love Kris, even if he claims he doesn't want her to.
>>4020859So, does it bother you then that Noelle literally doesn't have any real feelings for Kris, Susie, and probably you?
>>4020860Yes, what made the weird route good was two things. The player destroying Deltarune and the people in it in horrible ways to get freedom out of pure desperation, and the fucked up romantic relationship between Kris, Noelle, and (you). The two main draws to that route are ultimately taking something the game normally denies you through evil means because you were left with no other option. Kris and Noelle obviously have repressed desires for each other, and the player being the player, is going to have his own desires for Noelle, and a desire to pair Kris with Noelle. Meanwhile the player is practically beat over the head with how he's trapped in a gilded cage and has no choice but to be the nice little boy who saves everyone and accepts whatever he's given. There's parallels in all three character's desires and particularly between the desires of Noelle and (you). (you) force her to do terrible things and then force Kris on her, both of them fulfilling some of her deepest desires in a way she'd never even considered, and making her come to realize she enjoys it. She's always had some repressed resentment against Berdly, some attraction to the macabre, a desire to do bad things just for the sake of it, and a desire for Kris. This is (you) giving her all three things and telling her she can just take them if she wants.Removing the feelings removes all of this powerful symbolism and connections between the characters and flattens it all to just being edgy. It even kneecaps the pursuit of freedom by denying it to the player. (something which could still work btw, but just doesn't in this execution).People are just so caught up in the edginess of it all that they've failed to see that its lost its soul.
>>4020593I always liked this take on the Spire theme. I agree Meltdown anon's more intense take fits the scenario more, but I hope this one can still be used somewhere.
>>4013918> can you make kanako oral sex with cole?
>>4020851>having everything go back to normal the next dayToriel looks like a mess, tries to emotionally manipulate Kris into thinking it was all his fault, and Susie still holds resentment for her. Yeah, sure, completely defanged.
>now we're crying and screaming that the weird route is ruinedjesus christ enough
>>4020887Anon, that all sounds like cope to me. That scene read like the *game* was trying emotionally manipulate the *player* into thinking those things, not like Toriel was doing it. All of it is framed in a positive connotation.
>>4020895I'm not even gonna dignify this with a proper reply. Here's your (you).
>>4020898Kill yourself, soulellefag
Guess I missed it
>>4020895fangames/mods do everything better, so by default the weird route has and always been ass
>>4020904the thread is still up
>>4020851>I'm angry because my headcanon wasn't trueMikefags sit below /utg/niggers on the totem pole of /v/tardation
>>4020915Mikefags were vindicated by chapter 5.
>>4020905>Deltatraveler did Deltarune betterNo
>>4020926doesn’t count because it isn’t from this site.
>>4020927What about Unrelated?
>>4020926Chapter 5 is Deltatraveler tier. Genuinely feels like RynoGG wrote it.
>>4020932Is Unrelated really a fangame?
>>4020927Undertale Yellow isn't either.>>4020936You clearly have not seen the actual writing of Deltatraveler.>>4020920How so?>inb4 "toby changed it to spite me personally"
Well, reposted the Sadie green. Let's hope it sticks around.
>>4020937It could be, even if unlikely to be made.
>>4020943A potential fangame equal to UT Futility... was fully realized
>>4020941yellow is an outlier, not the standard.
>>4020945To be fair Oldentale or DRY2 is currently also a potential fangame
>>4020950We know those games are being developed since the devs ocasionally post their progress around here, I don't know if the "Unrelated Team" has any actual devs, and to this day we still doubt if UT Futility had any playable content
>>4020941>You clearly have not seen the actual writing of Deltatraveler.I played up to section 3, then quit when Kris got eyes and started talking.>inb4 "toby changed it to spite me personally"Unironically it feels like there's a lot of mean spirited stuff in chapter 5's writing. Like Toby is intentionally trying to make the player feel bad for wanting things or knowing the player wanted something but didn't get it and teasing them about it. The worst offender is the constant unending cuckoldry, but there are petty things too like this one I just discovered today. People wanted to give Tenna to Noelle because of her dialogue in chapter 4, so instead of adding that option, Toby just teased people about it. Then the mikes themselves start to lose a lot of the benefit of the doubt when they're included in the same game as chapter 5. I still like them, but they seem a lot less "in good fun" than they did before.I also wrote that because anyone that brings up mikefags unprompted is doing so in bad faith to immediately discard any genuine arguments or complaints people may have about Deltarune.I don't think Toby is trying to spite me personally, no one (apart from that one schizo with the christian undertale mod) thinks that. I just think that he is being intentionally antagonistic to the player about their expectations, and it negatively impacts the game.
>>4020970I didn't even mention the tree cake. That's deep cut reference, but man is it mean if you get it.
>>4020970I didn't care much for it, since most of the mean spirited stuff is directed at Kris - double cuckoldry, Flowery's judgment, trying and failing to nostalgiabait Susie, etc.
>>4020970>anyone that brings up mikefags unprompted is doing so in bad faith to immediately discard any genuine arguments or complaints people may have about Deltarune.You're kinda underselling how badly the mikefags poisoned the well when it comes to actual criticism of Deltarune. Seething and crying because a selection of theories with two lines of dialogue and a selection of "patterns" that could barely be called as such even during the chapter 2 era were debunked got annoying real fast and it didn't help that it went on for months. people insult mikefags because they
>>4020988Damn machine.The other part of the insults come from the pretty obvious victim mentality that permeates /v/. People are absolutely not going to coddle your worthless ass when you bitch and moan over a harebrained theory turning out to be bunk.
>>4020988To be fair, imagine if Queen was a joke character, she was foreshadowed by Jevil even less then Spamton did for Mike.I still hold out hope that Mike is an actual character we will see in the future or else that would be dumb
>>4020990>To be fairNo I will not, completely different circumstances.All we could infer at the time was that a queen existed. It's part of why the theories were all over the place. With the context of Chapter 2, we could infer that the secret boss was foreshadowing the primary antagonist. Spamton does do this, he just fails to mention Tenna by name, which I think is why the Spamton Sweepstakes hammered that point about Tenna and Mike not being the same so hard.
>>4021006>No I will notSo you won't be fair?It's not "completely different circumstances"Jevil mentions Queen by name and Spamton mentions Mike by name. Queen exists, and Mike doesn't (atleast yet)There's nothing wrong with Mike not being the main boss. The problem is if it doesn't mean anything at all, that's what people are mad about.
>>4021014>that's what mikefags are mad about.ftfyAnd to be blunt, I don't think Mike was going to be anything besides a supporting character, if not a minor character who held no real relevance outside of Tenna's gang. Especially considering how he only has relevance in chapter three outside of the mike room.
>>4021021>What mikefags are mad aboutI will be mad too if Mike won't actually exist at all.>More than a supporting characterWhat made you think that way, we literally dont know anything about what he would do? Except that he would exist in a future chapter? And as of right now, he isn't even that
>>4020988Yeah, a lot of Mikefags sucked, but that term also became a boogieman used to automatically disqualify any criticism you didn't like. And they did have a fair basis for the criticism even if they drew a bunch of stupid conclusions and made stupid arguments. Deltarune really does have a problem with jerking people around and radically changing its tone and direction due to the protracted development time, episodic nature, and ever changing dev team. Queen was certainly very different when she was foreshadowed by Jevil compared to when chapter 2 released, we have dev documents from Toby to prove that. Its entirely within the realm of possibility that Mike may have been more important in earlier drafts of the script. And its also possible that he wasn't, but the episodic nature and lack of proper playtesting meant Toby wasn't able to catch this accidental misdirection and fix it. The problem with the term, and specifically with bringing it up any time people make any argument that superficially resembles theirs is that is completely dismisses everything that person says and insults them without ever actually engaging with what they have to say.Calling people Mikefags poisons the well just as much as acting like a deranged schizo with a grudge against Toby does.
>>4021021nta, but I think people would've been happy with that. Just something as opposed to literally nothing, followed by a joke about it being literally nothing and people expecting something different. I personally don't mind the Mikes or how he exists (or doesn't) in the game, but I can't fault people for being miffed about it.
>>4021047I mean very rarely is it the case that the criticism isn't just>I had my own personal expectations for how the game was supposed to go and it didn't go that way, so it's bad.Also, like, this is the fan game thread.If it bother's you so much, just make your own Deltarune.You can do that if you like, there's nothing stopping you.
>>4021052Heck someone is even doing something similar to that with Survey_Program2.Which I'm still excited to see.
>>4021052>>I had my own personal expectations for how the game was supposed to go and it didn't go that way, so it's bad.And there is a fundamental basis in truth underneath that. Deltarune is really bad about jerking people around while simultaneously encouraging them to theorize over every little thing. Mikefags wouldn't exist if Deltarune didn't have this problem.>Also, like, this is the fan game thread.>If it bother's you so much, just make your own Deltarune.Who says I'm not? I'm still allowed to discuss things, if for no other reason than posterity's sake. Wouldn't want other devs having their own mikefag problems.Now as to how devs can try to avoid those problems, I think trying to maintain a consistent tone and style goes a long way, as well as trying to stick to your original script as much as possible, or at least being mindful of making everything still fit if you do have to make changes. And of course, you could just avoid the episodic model entirely.UTY had the same problem (to a lesser extent) with Ceroba and Chujin, and with characters like Dalv and Decibat. Ideas getting changed and moved around during development, without enough thought being put into what kind of incongruities that might cause.
>>4021059I'm not saying you aren't allowed to discuss it.I'm just saying the conversation of>I don't like Deltarune because it's doing things I didn't personally expect it to and want to say this is an objectively bad quality rather than a subjective evaluation based on the expectations I created for myselfIs a thought terminating framework and you can't really have a conversation at all about it because you've built the conclusion into the premise, and as a result anyone that doesn't already subscribe to the premise can't really have a conversation with you and the people that already accept your premise can't really add anything to discuss either.If you're developing a game I do wish you the best of luck and I look forward to seeing it.
>>4021062Well I still think its bad to immediately accuse anyone complains about Deltarune of being a mikefag.
>>4021062>Saying that you dislike something about it means that Deltarune as a whole is bad
>>4021063If you look at both of my posts I hadn't. I don't really care for arbitrary thought terminating labels.
>>4021067I didn't say that either.
>>4021068If this >4020915 wasn't you, then fair, but that was what started this whole Mikefag tangent, which is why I felt the need to point that out.
>>4021069Yes you did.>>4020988>>4021021Only mikefags can be mad that Toby didn't do something that he foreshadowed. You are not allowed to say that you didn't like something or you are le mikefag
>>4021072>Yes you did>Posts two posts that I hadn't postedI don't think this is going anywhere.
>>4021073Then why did you strawman a statement that nobody here has said?And I can't tell which posts are yours, since this is an anonymous imageboard. But you both seethe about "mikefags"
>>4021077>Then why did you strawman a statement that nobody here has said?>But you both seethe about "mikefags"
>>4021078Here: >>4021062
>>4021073To be clear that guy's not me, he's just cutting in
>>4020920>Mikefags were vindicated by chapter 5.perhaps but I kinda liked 5
>>4021088I didn't assume so, but this is kind of a boring conversation so I'm just gonna ignore it.
>>4021096This is how I felt during chapter 5
>>4021103Like green Pippins?
>>4021117Like drinking Dark World acid. It hurts but I keep drinking it nonetheless
>See activity on theory thread.>Decide to check fangame thread first before writing.>People are talking about theories instead of fangames.Ok, see ya later gamers.
>>4021132nothing is stopping you to talk about fangames, in fact anyone bringing up fangame stuff is great because it steers the conversation back on topic
Would a basketball mini game be cool in a fangame?
>>4021140could be fun yeah. even the little batting game in dry got a solid bit of time out of me trying to get a high score, and it was barebones
>>4021140The one in DRY was and still is bullshit
>>4021140Any minigame, as long as it's not cancer and mandatory, is welcome as it adds SOVL. UT/DR fangames often neglect to add these, but they were fun in UTY and DRY.
>>4021147But it's not really a basketball mini game, like actual basketball
I read the rest of the discussion about Mike.Let me clarify a thing:I'm not mad that Mike wasn't the chapter boss or a secret boss or some shit. Him being just an offscreen guy is disappointing but I was ready to move on once that spotlight went off.I'm mad that Toby created a whole elaborate sequence for the sake of shitting on people who where curious about what Spamton meant with that name. I likely wouldn't never have ranted about the subject this much if the mikeroom had never existed.
do cole/clover have any similarities with yellow?
>>4021216They are a bit naive and gullible and fold to female affection
>>4021200its just a lighthearted sequence, mike is still treated as a mystery by the three mikes
>>4021216I'd say not really no. the "suicidal" thing is exagerrated drastically. Clover may have had issues, but there was a reason, and a benefactor for his suicidal choice.Yellow was a bit fun at times, but using him as yellow soul traits is lame.
>>4021220>fold to female affection>femaleanon...
>>4021216>they spend a lot of time with flowers>they exist alongside cute foxes that they don't get to interact with>suicidells
>>4021230He is very gullible, remember?He probably thinks that Blue is a woman
>>4021241Blue never once tries to pretend to be a woman, he is just a lame fag.
>>4021241>He probably thinks that Blue is a womanBlue is an ugly black man who uses male pronouns, he probably speaks with a deep voice and a ghetto accent as well
>>4021242>>4021244Its a closest thing to a pseudo motherly figure for him I guess
>>4021247i don't get why deltarune goes so much into pseudo incestor ocasionally straight up incest
>>4021216The only similarity is suicide attempts, but yellow even sucks at that.
>>4021247>Its a closest thing to a pseudo motherly figure for him I guess>The only motherly figure in Deltarune is Steven Universe reject that isn't even a womangrimm
>>4021254Well there's also Wh*riel. Carol despite being a mother somehow isn't a motherly figure at all.
I don't know if we'll be able to do another thread after this one with how slow it's going but maybe we could and do a little overtime since we've only had one thread.
>>4021259I would be okay with another thread after this one
>>4021254Maybe if Kris brought Chairiel into the Flower King dark world...But she would probably dance to 4rd sanctuary with zen looker or something
>>4021265>Maybe if Kris brought Chairiel into the Flower King dark world...Maybe he should have brought the "how to draw dragons" book now that Susie will never be with Kris
>>4021266It won't turn into anything because Kris doesn't believe in it happening
>>4021270The dragon and cactus cuck him for each other
>>4021272He always has Dess at least
>>4021272Stop. Don't make him suffer anymore with your fucked up speculations, you faggot.
>>4021277"Sometimes you have to push your love ones away"
>>4021216Gullible, judgemental, kind of goofy looking, etc.
>>4021274Dies at the end in a battle with Susie.
>>4021290No, that only happens if (You) side with Susie. If (You) side with Kris, Dess and Kris both live but they banish you after
>>4020715Sorry chump but you Undertale shitters are the ones breaking the rules and demanding special treatment anyway. Stay the fuck here in your pigpen and oink like the swine you are.
the only one oinking here is cole because kanako fed him to extreme obesity.
>>4021302>posting a rule that has nothing to do with our threadsMeds, NOW.
>>4021302i honestly can't imagine how much of a faggot you have to be to willingly suck janny dick daily
>>4021305Didn't that whole thing initially start out as Kanako being the one who was fat?How'd it pivot to her making *other* people fat?
>>4021302
>>4021315fetishists mostly
>>4021072Those two were me, not the other guy, anon. Way to prove the point about mikefags having a victim complex .
Containment has been breached
>>4021315she liked being fat and wanted to make other people fat so that they can enjoy it too
>>4021365people have directly posted individual posts from DRYanons updates before but I really don't like the idea of them posting the thread itself. Especially considering there's clearly underageb& that post there.
>>4021365The redditor could be any one of us!
>>>/v/743654315See, the real trick is to clear your schedule beforehand, and then make a big deal about not having the time to milk her all day today so you have to go fast, and then as you start milking her, you can say stuff like "Oh, maybe I can take another hour or two..." as you just keep squeezing and kneading her breasts all day long until she's completely overwhelmed with pleasure.
Decent thread, sorry I tried twice to make it more blatantly yellow related but the best we can do is discuss yellow anyways when a thread manages to live.
Alright, that was a good one.Should we tempt fate with another one before the weekend's out, or are we just sticking with the one this time around?
>>>/v/743654283The flowers are physically flowers in the dark world, but they can dream that they are humans. They are not actually humans. They are what the fallen humans possibly could've been (Toby's interpretation, it is as canon as you want it to be for UT fallen humans)
>>4021302A bit slow on the uptake aren't we, faggot kun?
>>4021376You got us past the eyes of those who seek to destroy us, you did a good job anon.
>>4021378I'm fine with another one, but I may sleep through a large portion of it.
>>4021362You again confirm that you use mikefag as a label to bash everyone you disagree with. Not a good look for you, pal
>>4021379They're not what the humans could've been, they're what the flowers wish they were, and its entirely your choice whether or not you think the humans resembled them at all. Its a small difference in wording, but an important one.
>>4021381See you in the next thread wild east cowboy>>4021378We have the energy for another but Im not sure it should be made literally back to back.
>>4021378Defy fate, make another
>>4021386Why do they resemble UT fallen humans then?And yes, in-universe that's what the flowers wish they were but in-meta it talks about what the humans could've been. You can agree with that and adopt Toby's interpretation, or you could still have your own without any of them overshadowing each other.
>>4021389>Why do they resemble UT fallen humans then?They don't, unless you want them to.
>>4021396Why do they have the same weapons and items as UT humans, why do they have the same omega attacks as UT humans, why are their mini portraits the weapons of UT humans?They resemble UT humans but you don't have to agree with how they do it
>>4021399NTA, but they represent the souls, not the humans.In the same way that Flowery is a loose representation of Flowey, despite not actually being like Flowey at all.Comprende?
>>4021399Anon, if that's the case then this is nothing like the stream. You're making hard and fast canon statements and saying I can't disagree with them, then trying to say everything is "just a possible interpretation". Either its a possible interpretation that I'm free to say is 100% wrong, or its a hard canon statement that I have to agree with. You can't have it both ways.
>>4021405You can disagree with the interpretation of the humans, but it can't be 100% wrong and it can't be 100% right.
>>4021408>but it can't be 100% wrong and it can't be 100% right.Yes it can, otherwise it isn't "just an interpretation"
>>4021373Hot, I will have sexual thoughts about this
>>4021404If they represent the souls then why is Aqua impatient despite having the soul of patience?And flowery is an amalgamation of Rudy, Asriel(DR), Flowey and Mettaton EX in terms of his character.
>>4021410If you say that something that isn't 100% wrong and 100% right isn't "just an interpretation" then what is it?
>>4021413>If they represent the souls then why is Aqua impatient despite having the soul of patience?Aqua and Orange exist as inversions of their respective soul traits, but none of the others do.This is because Toby Fox wrote the chapter wrong.Sorry.>And flowery is an amalgamation of Rudy, Asriel(DR), Flowey and Mettaton EX in terms of his character.Yeah, but he's still a callback to Flowey, just not a very clean one.The flower characters exist more as just callbacks to stuff from UT rather than actually being 1:1 with the things they're callbacks to, the answer to most questions surrounding their existences and writing is just that Toby kinda didn't execute them very well, that's really all there is to it.
Oh my god I just fucking realized while typing that post, Toby Fox really just made the fucking B&B unit from MGS4, oh my fucking god.I'm gonna go take a shower, you guys have fun trying to piece together the awful clusterfuck that is Toby's writing now.
this feels like a bit of an argument of semantics doesn't it?
>>4021414A half truth? Wrong? If there's a hard and fast definition of wrong and right here, then there is no "just an interpretation" we wouldn't even be discussing right and wrong as absolutes if it were up to interpretation.
>>4021415>Toby Fox wrote the chapter wrongAh yes, you know better than Toby about what Toby wanted to write.In actuality it is that way because Toby wanted to subvert it so it feels fresh. Making all the flowers follow their trait to the T would be very boring (Atleast according to Toby)
>>4021420It's in superposition, except the box will never be opened
>>4021419Yes it does, and its a repeat of one we already had.
>>4021422>Ah yes, you know better than Toby about what Toby wanted to write.Not what he wanted to write, what he should've written. Its easy to spot bad writing when you see it. The flowers sucked.
>>4021418>the fucking B&B unit from MGS4,I haven't played MGS, QRD?
>>4021426well then seems fair for the two of you to part your ways on this particular argument, unless there's a particular point one of you really wants to make. I'm not meaning any kind of ill will towards either side of this or anything. It just looks like this has been carrying on the whole while the thread was up.Or at least not have it on semantic grounds.
>>4021428I liked all the flowers except for blueHow would (You) write them anon?
>>4021430Well, share your opinion on it then?
>>4021433why would I? I'm not criticizing either of your stances or opinions, I'm just saying the argument seems to be stuck on definitions for a bit now which doesn't seem great for either of you. Personally I already got most of the negative thoughts I have about chapter 5 out of my system.I guess if it's about the flowers, to keep it fangame related, devs should take note not to have someone do what blue did when kris was injured, during a serious moment. Blue just healing kris took all of the narrative tension away from what could have been a very solid moment of showing Asgores character (I think his stuff kind of got speedrun at the end?)the little rain cloud that just heals everything and makes it better weakened the scene. You can do that for comedic stuff but I think if you're at the climax of your chapter or fangame then you want to let the moment stick for a moment, hang in the air and let the audience have time to feel something.
>>4021429Okay, very quickly, the B&B unit (the "Beauty and beast" unit, because Hideo can't keep his movie references in his fucking pants for more than a second (Bladerunner reference, specifically)) were the main group of themed antagonists from MGS4. Every MGS game had their own group of themed antagonists aside from the game's main antagonist, MGS1 had Foxhound, MGS2 had Dead Cell, MGS3 had the Cobra Unit, and MGS4 has the B&B unit. Of all the games, MGS4's group is by far the weakest, because they're nothing but a bunch of callbacks to previous games that sometimes don't even really make sense to the characters they're antagonizing *in-universe*, and they have no real character to them aside from what you get expositioned at you *after* you already defeat them.So, basically, they're a bunch of super forced references to things the *player* knows about but the characters don't, they have extremely simplistic and barebones character writing that's only ever expanded upon once you've already killed them for a cheap sad effect, they use weapons and equipment from the previous antagonists in the series, and they generally just feel extremely weird and lazy compared to the other antagonists in the series.Compare that with the Flowers, who are callbacks to things only the player would know about and not the actual in-universe characters, themed after the equipment and attacks of the human souls (who were used by the main antagonist of the previous game), and have most of their actual character and backstory expositioned at you after you defeat them, and generally feel very weird and lazy.Toby recreated the B&B unit, almost point for point.
>>4021432Probably would've cut down their importance aside from Flowery, or cut down Flowery's importance. As it stands, there are too many important characters fighting for screen time in chapter 5 and none of them get enough.Second, I'd make them not humans. They can still think they're human, but they shouldn't *be* human. Probably give them all much wackier darkner designs with more plant elements.Last, make them all be explicitly working for Asgore instead of just sort of being there. That way Asgore can actually do something in his chapter instead of just being a poorly handled footnote.Chapter gets cut in half as well. With the flowers showing up from the start, and leaving once you beat them instead of going for constant rematches and team battles. They can all show up again at the end for the Flowery fight (if there still is a Flowery and not something else) but then that's it.And of course, you aren't forced to be friends with any of them. You can just choose to fight them and Susie and Ralsei can pound sand if they don't like it.Also Blue is removed and replaced with an entirely different character.And they're all explicitly working *for* Asgore, instead of just doing their own thing and helping Flowery play keepaway.
>>4021437BRAVO TOBY
>>4021365Unironically the best gatekeeping filter we can use is stuff about unbirthing. It's disgusting but it works at keeping outsiders at bay. It's like how horse pussy got rid of all the redditors from /pol/ in 2017.>>4021437I see, that's unfortunate.
Yeah, I can't take this seriously as an argument. This just reads as desperately trying to contextualize the chapter as bad.
>>4021441>Unironically the best gatekeeping filter we can use is stuff about unbirthing. It's disgusting but it works at keeping outsiders at bay. It's like how horse pussy got rid of all the redditors from /pol/ in 2017.ah yes and /pol/ is doing great as a board isn't it.I think we'll repell the worst of it naturally. seeing how sensitive some of the posters are there, having entire apology sessions over being called slop and the like, by just being as we are 90 percent of the people that "dare" to check us out will run for the hills. >>4021443are you talking about the post just made about the flower personalities? most of those seem like really reasonable takes.
>>4021444>are you talking about the post just made about the flower personalities?shit I mean not personalities but how they're written. Anyways we're a little off in the bushes. if you don't like the anons opinions you could always put the bottle down yourself.
>>4021430That's what I did, but then he brought it up again and starting pressing the issue.
>>4021437Anon, I dont think it's true. I think Deltarune is Gaster's "dream" with how possessive he is with it, calling it "his deltarune". The connection to Undertale is already established through normal npc talking about G, the flowers likely got their knowledge of the fallen children through their roots going into the "darkness below hometown"
>>4021445I wasn't part of the conversation, I was just reading it.
>>4021444>ah yes and /pol/ is doing great as a board isn't it.It lasted only a couple of days and it was nine years ago. Of course there was no effect long-term, but it worked back then. We could do with less fetish posting of course, but if we start being brigaded we have a solution.
>>4021439>They can still think they are human, but they shouldn't *be* humanBut it's intentional? You are missing the point, they are pretending to be something which they are not>Working for AsgoreThey are made that way, so you can see how Asgore was to his family while being obsessed with investigating the dess's dissapearance. Kris made the dark world so Asgore specifically couldn't do anything useful and interrupt his and the Knight's plans>And, of course you aren't forced to be friends with them. You can choose yo fight themThat's fair and I agree. It would be better. But it kinda is still there, because if you fight them you don't get their Cafe scenes. Flowery fight got no excuse though, for the party healing him.>Also blue is removedToby Fox game please understandoOverall your ideas hold merit and wouldn't be bad, but the chapter is simply different then what you thought. It fits with how people thought chapter 5 would be, but Toby wanted to tell a different story.
>>4021422>you know better than Toby about what Toby wanted to writeThen we also don't know better than what the UTY team wanted to write.
>>4021457>But it's intentional? You are missing the point, they are pretending to be something which they are notI mean they wouldn't even look human. These plant niggas still pass as human (notable exception not withstanding) while also looking really out of place in the game they're in design wise.As for the rest of this, I was specifically asked "How would *you* do it?", so that's the answer I gave. I was not asked how to fix chapter 5 or better execute Toby's vision. Anyways what Toby made was genuinely awful. If his desires for his story resulted in that then he should've killed those desires or at least been willing to compromise on them for the sake of making a good game.It doesn't have to be what I wanted, but absolutely shouldn't be what it is.
Playing SoJ, noticed something odd:Decibat's name gets yellow with low HP but you can't spare him like that. Also, in this state the ACTs don't advance at all, locking you into killing him for a win.
>>4021465>Decibat's name gets yellow with low HP but you can't spare him like that. that's strangeAlso, in this state the ACTs don't advance at all, locking you into killing him for a win.but I can believe this because iirc if you damage Dalv enough he can't be spared? or at least not through actions iirc.
>>4021466I recall even geno ceroba has the yellow name glitch.But not considering the low health spare is something even the canon games do, which is a shame.
>>4021467>But not considering the low health spare is something even the canon games do, which is a shame.it still works on regular enemies right? I imagine this is a result of from what I've heard is the poor battle coding specifically that yellow has.
>>4021468yesI'm gonna only kill the microfroggit and do a all spared bosses neutral run, since I never saw what happens on this run on my first time
>>4021469interesting. I'd be curious to hear of any other unique bugs you encounter. I'm really looking forward to playing SoJ myself but I'm holding out for the next time it gets updated since I've heard it's still actively being worked on (the color sprites aspect got released recently)
>>4021462Was Mettaton Ex not in the style of the game? He also pretends to be a human.>As for the rest of this,And I tried to explain to you, as to why Toby has done it the way that he did. Because you can't change what Toby wrote, but atleast you can understand what he wanted to say. I mostly liked what Toby wanted to say.>Anyways what Toby made was genuinely awfulI am sorry to hear that. The only truly bad parts that seemed better to me to be outright cut was the garden of hopes and dreams section, the secret boss and Suselle.
>>4021472>Was Mettaton Ex not in the style of the game?No, he was. I'm talking about visual style. The "7 humans" look completely out of place (except orange)> He also pretends to be a human.No he doesn't. He looks sorta like one, but he's still obviously not one and doesn't claim to be one.> Because you can't change what Toby wroteMaybe if everyone on Earth hated it as much as I did, he would change it out of shame. That's never gonna happen for a multitude of reasons, but a man can dream. And in the mean time people defending and praising it just makes me hate it more.>but atleast you can understand what he wanted to say.I understand what he said and I hate it, hate him for saying it to me, and for wasting 8 years of my life on this along with making me permanently invested in this shit that makes me miserable.> The only truly bad parts that seemed better to me to be outright cut was the garden of hopes and dreams section, the secret boss and Suselle.As far as I'm concerned the whole chapter is rotten to the core, every part of it that might be good is inseparably tied to some rotten tendril, like yellow being funny, but having that terrible design, the flowers sucking as a concept, and him being in a relationship with blue. The whole chapter should've been cut.
>>4021478Honest question, as of friday we're going to be a month out from Chapter 5 coming out.Don't you have anything better to do? Like something you actually like instead of this repetitive nonsense?Not saying you can't dislike it, or be this passionate about disliking it, but do you really have nothing better to do than going off on this repetitive tantrum screaming at the entire world to have your opinion and your opinion alone, and for Toby to notice you, personally, and change Deltarune for you?This just isn't healthy to be doing.
>>4021441>>4021450The consequence of fetish posting is that you're not just repelling away people from plebbit, but also normal posters who are looking for actual discussions. It's a double edged swordNow I confess, I mostly post on fangame threads on /v/, but what I love of these threads is that it has better quality discussions and less shitposting than average. I feel like fetish posting will do more harm than goodAlso I don't know why plebbit would even come to the nazi website to talk about deltarune with other so called nazis
>>4021482>Also I don't know why plebbit would even come to the nazi website to talk about deltarune with other so called nazisyou're probably right, though occasionally someone gets curious enough to take a peek (though usually they are scared off by what they see even when we're not posting anything particularly weird)
>>4021471I checked Dalv. All the same behaviour, including the fact that lowering down his HP too much locks you out of sparing him.I'm gonna stop doing this to the bosses, except Martlet because I know she doesn't die if you use violence.
>>4021482I still keep my opinion that the fetish posting should have gone to /trash/, alongside /doe/ and /sus/.
>>4021441I'd rather not resort to spamming that shit as a means of keeping people out, because that shit got damned annoying real fast.There's no point repelling outsiders if we just make the threads worse for ourselves too.>inb4 a bunch of spammers come in to spam it because I mentioned it
>>4021441>I see, that's unfortunate.Hm?
this probably sounds silly but have you ever left any elements of your stories (in games or in fics) up to complete chance like rolling a dice to see which of two ways something went? Not like deciding something before the story starts but mid story if you have a situation and you aren't sure which way it should end up so you just leave it to actual chance and write in the direction the dice commanded.
>>4021491I don't have a full script already planned, I just have a base outline with the main ideas I want, so sometimes when I do get on the big points on the outline, the events leading to it have steered in a certain way that it might end up changing some details
>>4021448I know there's probably an in-universe reason for the Flowers to be the way they are, just like how the B&B unit has in-universe reasons for being the way *they* are, but it's still not good writing if those reasons don't actually make sense to anyone but the player.
>>4021480>Honest question,>repetitive tantrum screamingIt sounds more like you just want to throw backhanded insults at me then couch it in the trappings of objective impartiality.I already I don't expect any of this shit to happen. I'm never going to convince anyone of anything about this and things are just going to worse, and that doesnt make me suddenly stop giving a shit. That makes me feel miserable and mad. This was a massive chunk of my life for 8 years and then it gets ruined in the worst way possible, and then everyone else on earth praises it as the greatest thing ever. And then if I express any dislike of it, people like you jump in to defend it, then if I argue you call me a mikefag or say I'm "being repetitive" or "whining". Hell, I'll get prompted for my position, then you'll snap at me for giving the answer to the question I was asked. Of course that's shits going to piss me off.I don't like talking about this shit, I hate thinking about this shit, but this shit just pisses me off too much to let slide. I have better things to do that I would rather be doing, but I keep getting dragged into this shit by you. Most of the chapter 5 arguments I've gotten into wouldn't have happened if you didn't keep trying to push chapter 5 and all the bullshit in it, and your theories around it on me. I didn't start most of these arguments.I just wish you could, for one moment, feel what I feel about chapter 5, just to see how it feels. This was 8 years of my life, my formative years where I found myself as an adult, my entire career as an artist and a writer started with this, and it was one of the last things I had left to actually care about, and it turned to the most awful thing possible. And then I'm the one with the problem when I hate it. I'm just supposed to shut my mouth and take it whenever you want to push some chapter 5 shit on me. I can't say "no I don't want that." or "No I think that'd suck actually" And anything else is a "tantrum"
>>4021500Dude I don't know what to tell you if you're singularly accusing me of being "the guy" that thinks or has said your behavior is repetitive or annoying, or called you a name of some kind, genuinely so upset that you think that not being supportive of this behavior is saying you're not allowed to dislike it, or think that it sucks, can be called anything but a tantrum.>I keep getting dragged into this shit by youYou've done this on your own and it is your sole responsibility>if you didn't keep trying to push chapter 5 and all the bullshit in it, and your theories around it on meA. I'm not the only other person here that doesn't actively despise chapter 5B. You aren't (nor anyone else) owed unconditional reverence for your opinions to appease you. Even under the assumption that this is in earnest.
>>4021502Collective you, as in you people. Could be a single person, could be a group, doesn't matter.But fine, if you want this to stop, how about we just stop this discussion right now? I hate talking about it. You hate hearing about it. So there's no reason to keep talking about it.
>>4021502I mean he was asked for his opinion on how the writing should have been, and hit with "well sorry that's not how toby wanted to do it."If it's not one person then it's multiple people poking and prodding someone who made it clear he doesn't want to be involved in this.He's being asked to understand what toby wanted to say but I don't think we have that kind of reverence for yellow writing. getting told he's having a repetitive tantrum in response to what he was asked to give his input on is clearly riling stuff up and trying to shit stir.Put down the bottle
>>4021511Thank you anon. You put it in a much clearer and more concise way that I'm currently able to with my sleep deprived and agitated brain.
>>4021513NTA, but I hope you're able to get some rest soon anon.
>>4021513get some rest anon, we don't agree on everything but there's no value in getting dragged through arguments that have lost their luster.
Alright, I'm working on the shower scene, I don't think it's going right, but I'm just gonna keep on powering through. Talking about the Roba earlier got it on my mind and I have to try and capitalize that while the fox is in my gray matter.
>>4021519Oh, writing the second part of that story?Glad to hear you're getting some stuff done anon.
>>4021520Thanks anon, I feel like everything I'm writing is a bit rough right now, but I feel a lot better about the fact that I'm willing(and have time) to put words on the page at all. I fully accept any scathing critique when I finish this, but I'm gonna try to keep chugging along. I think the transition from the more emotional dealing with the bite and Ceroba's feelings over that, to the lewd stuff again is going to be very clunky, but we'll see what it looks like.
>>4021524Well, it takes a sec to get yourself back into your proper rhythm sometimes, so I won't blame you if things end up a little clunkier than you'd like, though I'd be willing to bet it'll be fine.And new 'roba stuff is always nice, so I'm looking forward to what you make.
>>4021527>Well, it takes a sec to get yourself back into your proper rhythm sometimestrue enough>so I won't blame you if things end up a little clunkier than you'd likethough still I welcome the storm of criticismthe absolute chaos that will undo my very existence! or something less dramatic than that maybe.>And new 'roba stuff is always niceher and the bird have been taking turns in my brain quite 'fairly' lately, but Roba seems to have worked her way in here at the perfect time.
>>4021511He said that "Toby wrote it wrong", so I asked how Toby "should've written it" since (You) know better. Then I explained what Toby meant by it because he said "It's easy to spot bad writing when you see it. The flowers sucked"That anon refuses to engage with chapter 5 because of his emotional hatred, and I am not forcing him to like it, I even criticize the chapter myself, but he feels the need to engage with the conversations about it despite hating it and not even finishing it for some reason.
>>4021533>He said that "Toby wrote it wrong"Anon, sorry to intrude in here, but I'm the one who said that, not him.Unless he also said that when I said it, but I'm pretty sure he didn't.Anyway, just leave the guy alone, wouldja?
>>4021533>Then I explained what Toby meant by it because he said "It's easy to spot bad writing when you see it. The flowers sucked"he said a good deal more than that and kept level headed about it. I don't agree with a lot of what he said, but he's not really having a tantrum by responding to someone's prompts to elaborate on his opinion. the 8 years of life stuff started coming in as he was being told he's having a tantrum.>That anon refuses to engage with chapter 5 because of his emotional hatredyes but he kept pretty level headed in this conversation and while I don't agree with everything he said, he made some reasonably communicated points about how he'd have gone about it, said he knows that toby isn't going to change this, and then got hit with "and for Toby to notice you, personally, and change Deltarune for you?"autism is apparently, a two way street brother.I'm not just trying to defend him, while I disliked chapter 5, my views are pretty different from his I think, but this is honestly just fruitless.I tried to pull it on topic to fan games and got no response, which is fine, but I have to ask, what's the value in continuing this? it's not even about the fangames now, and prompting him to keep giving his opinions is going to logically keep getting him to give them.
>>4021537I didn't say that he had a tantrum and that was a different anon. >Toby change personally for youThat also wasn't me>It's not even about fangames nowThe argument was started about fangames
>>4021533>so I asked how Toby "should've written it" since (You) know betterYou asked "How would (You) write them anon?". If that was what you meant with that question then you should try to be more precise with your language.
>>4021538This is getting confusing. Was that just some random guy who cut in to throw insults, and then left?
>>4021539Please, don't ignore the context >>4021428This was a reply to that post, don't be disingenuous
>>4021540NTA, but that does happen from time to time.He could also just be lying, but then we'd be assuming he's acting in explicit bad faith, which would be unfair.
>>4021538>That also wasn't mewhich is why I phrased it as "got hit with" instead of "you said.">The argument was started about fangameswhich is why I said "now". I guess it sounds a little pedantic of me but the point is that there's an obvious reason the conversation escalated, and why he kept engaging with it. He was either being directly asked for his input, or being egged on by posts like that. Anyways the point is "well obviously people are going to engage when someone asks them to"
>>4021541Its not disingenuous. I thought you just genuinely wanted to know how I would've written it. Its an olive branch tactic pretty commonly to shift discussion in a more positive direction around here. Again, I think being more precise with your language would've helped. A lot of times things that seem obvious to you may not be obvious to others, so it helps to spell things out.Oh, and assuming you actually aren't that guy who started throwing around insults earlier, sorry if I said anything rude to you during that. Not sorry to that asshole though. He wants to throw around insults then he has no right to complain about getting them back. Not that I have any interest in arguing further with him.I think its probably for the best if we don't continue that chapter 5 discussion. If not for thread health, then at least for our own sanity. Its obvious we're not going to be coming to a consensus on the subject any time soon.
>>4021532>though still I welcome the storm of criticism>the absolute chaos that will undo my very existence! or something less dramatic than that maybe.Ah, I don't think there'll be a reason to be so harsh on your work, I think it'll be fine.>her and the bird have been taking turns in my brain quite 'fairly' lately, but Roba seems to have worked her way in here at the perfect time.Yeah, I've been having various characters bouncing around my skull for a bit now too.Unfortunately, drawing takes too long for me to ever get to something as soon as I might want to, so a lot of ideas just have to be written down for later.
>>4021441>Unironically the best gatekeeping filter we can use is stuff about unbirthing.straight from the rotten, gaping maw of /utg/ itself. fuck all the way off with that
>>4021497Sorry I forgot to reply to this. Yeah that makes sense having to shift those things, I guess sometimes I've just found myself thinking inane stuff like "should this character speak now, or maybe she doesn't get the confidence to breach this topic yet and we have her instead get up and go do something else.I don't know that's kind of vague all in all. I usually reach a decision eventually, but I was just thinking about how in stuff like tabletop a lot of times when a DM gets stalled, he might pull out a table to inject something into the scene to keep things moving
>>4021543Let me explain this to you. Imagine if Oldentale released, but one anon played through it only halfway through before dropping it. He says how shit Oldentale is, how mad and miserable it made him. How it ruined the 2 formative years of his life where he discussed the characters with fellow anons,the story, the soul, everything he poured into it- it's all ruined. Yet people still "praise it like the best thing ever". And when he says that he dislikes it, "people jump in to defend it". And the worst thing yet is that people "try to push" Oldentale on to him. He hates talking about it, hates thinking about it, yet people are forcing him to talk about it.This Oldentale also had some characters which were only mentioned, but which it shares with another fangame. Anon2 says that it was interesting how Oldentale interpreted them, and then that anon comes in and says that clearly those are opposites of the mentioned characters or a parody but definitely not them. Anon2 starts disproving it by providing evidence, but that anon says Nuh-uh and asks why are you forcing him to discuss something he hates and what will kill all fangames with those mentioned characters if it was true. Anon2 says that it is how Oldentale anon interpreted them and it won't stop other fangames from doing them differently. That anon repeats "if they are not a parody or opposites" then it kills other fangames. Anon2 gives up because his browser refreshed deleting everything he wrote up.But it happens again. Eventually after back and forth Anon3 says that Oldentale just wrote them wrong. That anon joins in and says that he knows what Oldentale should have written and Oldentale anon is a bad writer. Anon2 asks him how he should've written it then. That anon answers, and Anon2 actually mostly agrees, but explains Oldentale things that anon missed because he didn't fully finish it.But that anon thinks that Anon2 forces Oldentale on to him
>>4021564>Eventually after back and forth Anon3 says that Oldentale just wrote them wrong. That anon joins in and says that he knows what Oldentale should have written and Oldentale anon is a bad writer.As the anon who said that Toby wrote the flowers wrong, I'll have you know that I call Oldentale anon's writing wrong all the time, loudly, and often directly to him in conversation.He can attest to this.
>>4021565Why are you forcing Oldentale onto him? He hates it an it is bad. Why do you want to kill the fangames with characters that Oldentale "ruined"
>>4021567I like Oldentale anon and his work and I want him to succeed but also I hate him and his work and I will stop at nothing to make his tasks aggravating and painful.
>>4021487So much weird stuff gets posted here, regardless if it's fetish stuff or not, that's it's really not going to make a difference.You step in here, you best be prepared to see some questionable stuff. For anyone to assume that they won't is just wishful thinking.And to try and stop it from happening is equally just a waste of time.
>>4021569Ok, you do realise I didn't mean Oldentale literally. Just a hypothetical version of it
>>4021571Yes but you used the worst analogy possible by referring to both me and Oldentale in the same idea, and now you shall suffer the consequences of my autism.
>>4021572>worst analogy possible Not true. It fits well.>shall suffer the consequences of my autismI don't think I did
>>4021573You should come to realize you cannot contain the autism of Sparda.Your analogy is weak, and emblematic of your feeble mind.
>>4021575Provide a better analogy
>>4021576It's not my job to supplement your foolishness, anon.
>>4021570I stepped in here and this was a place focused on fangame development. I was here very early when the janitors started their melty, you came later.
>>4021578The my analogy remains the STRONGest by default. You've got no fighting spirit...
>>4021583
>>4021587>imporoceAnon, by any chance have you been drinking.
>>4021584Your reply gets 4/10 for creativity, although it's borderline unreadable at worst. Maybe if you exponentially imporove, your analogies might even come close to reaching mine, but I know you won't.
>>4021589Oh no anon, you replied to the wrong post. I'm sorry but that may be fatal!
>>4021590Untrue, as expected from an amature argumenter. You should try improving like me, in how I'm learning ACTing to make my analogies.
>>4021588Are you projecting? There was no post there, it was just some mysterious wind. What a predictable creature!
>>4021595>>4021593you motherfuckers are silly. That's simply all there is to say.
>>4021596>MotherfuckersI only befriended Asgore's Eggs wife, don't sic the dog on the boneman
>>4021596We have fun here.
>go to sleep on time or write 2000 or so words worth of autismI have to say again that I have a lot of respect for you fucks that manage to do stuff like that in a couple hours
>>4021614It's easy when you're determined.Or indescribably horny, either one.
Alright, 3000 words A follow up to the Ceroba x Anon Lewd story I tried to include more natural dialogue to make it an actual story, so it starts following up on the whole bite thing in the last one, and it ends with a little bit of stuff. I feel like it's pretty rough and may need a rewrite altogether, but I'd appreciate any feedback anons are willing to give.https://rentry.org/bacbd8et includes biting and Roba tongue in throat. Everything else I'm pretty sure is vanilla.
>>4021646Ey, nice stuff, I'll try and read this before I go to bed tonight, give any feedback I have.Glad to see this!
>>4021646I just started reading, and I'm so sorry to tell you this anon, but you seem to have left a scrapped paragraph in at the beginning.I will continue reading and let you know what I think aside from that, but I noticed it.
>>4021646God damn, that is fucking hot.Think I need a minute to calm down, get my thoughts in order, that did a good bit for me.Okay, this was pretty good. Some typographical errors here and there, maybe a few instances of grammatical issues, but overall the general writing was good. I think some of Ceroba's dialogue could use some very minor tweaking, not in the sense of what she's actually saying, but in the sense of *how* she's saying it, like certain kinds of punctuation or something, to give her dialogue a slightly different tone and pace to it, but what she's actually saying is good.I think the anon's dialogue was decent for the most part, though I think there was one instance of him calling her "roba" that I think felt slightly out of place when compared with the tone of the immediately surrounding scene, but that's a pretty minor point.I think the transition from the more serious part of Ceroba tending to the anon's injury to the part where they get back to business was fine, I don't really know how that would've gone any better, and I can see the anon doing such a thing to try and get Ceroba's mind off her concern about the injury, so it works.Of course, I loved the part with Ceroba deep-kissing the anon, that goes without saying, but I also liked the smaller bit that had just a hint of Ceroba overstimulating the anon with his cock in her mouth, that was great.The anon biting Ceroba back was kinda funny, though I'm not as much into that as I am into Ceroba being the one doing it, but that's just a matter of personal taste on my end.I like them both kinda overwhelming each other during all this, big fan of that.Overall, this was very cute, and very hot, and I liked the non-sex related stuff too. It could use some refinement, dealing with certain typographical errors and whatnot, but in terms of the actual substance, this was great.Honestly, I kinda want to draw something based on this sometime soon, this one spoke to me a bit.
>>4021385Excuse me for not giving a damn for the eternal victim complex of /v/
>>4021674shoosh
>>4021482>>4021548Might be literal in this case. There's apparently a discord called /utg/ bunker which has been trying to raid /sus/, /doe/ and whatever /v/ threads survive the janny purge.
Alright, I am now pleased to say, I have finished the sketch for the Bedo image, both versions, which will hopefully be completed within the week.I'd have had it done sooner today, but I've still been awfully tired lately, and I got distracted thinking of Reynault scritches, because of course I did.Think I'm feeling a bit better about some things now, feeling some energy again, that soul. Or maybe it's just that thing that happens late at night sometimes. Either way, I feel like doing more things again, some drawing ideas, some writing ideas even. I hope I can hold onto this for a while longer, actually use it for something.For now, I wish you all a good night, and good fortune in your various endeavors.
Hey just noticed something very very interesting. Did you know that WGY actually bought ads on reddit for his DRY take?https://www.reddit.com/user/CarefulWill7707/comments/1v008qh/criminelly_underrated_deltarune_yellow_wgys_take/At first I thought that he was shilling it on DRY sub, after trashtalking it. But no it's actually an ad, which he paid money for!
>>4021732That's... something I guess, didn't think anyone would pay money to promote their AU on Reddit
>>4020511If anything Pink is a mirror to Nintendo switch soul (Red and Cyan)
>>4021678>There's apparently a discord called /utg/ bunker which has been trying to raid /sus/, /doe/ and whatever /v/ threads survive the janny purge.I believe you, I don't even need proof
>>4021732>has a flowey darkner as the ralseiInto the trash it goes
>>4021652I saw this post as I laid down for bed and screamed internally. I can not run from my sins>>4021658Thank you for giving it a read anon.>Some typographical errors here and there, maybe a few instances of grammatical issuesyeah I need to spend some time patching that up I think>very minor tweaking, not in the sense of what she's actually saying, but in the sense of *how* she's saying it, like certain kinds of punctuation or something, to give her dialogue a slightly different tone and pace to it, but what she's actually saying is goodI was wondering about that actually as I wrote, I'll try doing some reading out loud and see if I can feel it out to change it>I think the anon's dialogue was decent for the most part, though I think there was one instance of him calling her "roba" that I think felt slightly out of place when compared with the tone of the immediately surrounding sceneI may have used "Roba" too easily since I like calling her that. Nicknames can work in serious contexts but "The, Roba" being such a running joke with her probably doesn't help this one>I think the transition from the more serious part of Ceroba tending to the anon's injury to the part where they get back to business was fine, I don't really know how that would've gone any better, and I can see the anon doing such a thing to try and get Ceroba's mind off her concern about the injury, so it works.oh, I'm glad that part worked then. I got stuck on it for a bit because I knew it needed to make that transition eventually, but I didn't want the stuff that came before the shift to feel like pointless filler. I thought the idea of him deciding not to lie about the pain after a certain point felt right. honesty in a relationship while still trying to move things along to her feeling better about things.
>>4021658>Of course, I loved the part with Ceroba deep-kissing the anon, that goes without saying, but I also liked the smaller bit that had just a hint of Ceroba overstimulating the anon with his cock in her mouth, that was great.The power of a unique textured tongue. I felt like I fell short in describing what such a thing might feel like, but I still wanted to try. I feel like if I was more patient last night I could have looked up some synonyms or something >The anon biting Ceroba back was kinda funny, though I'm not as much into that as I am into Ceroba being the one doing it, but that's just a matter of personal taste on my end.>I like them both kinda overwhelming each other during all this, big fan of that.understandable I'm not hyper into biting, I've said before but my tastes are pretty mild, but I'd say the thing I do have the biggest thing for is lovers sharing in the power dynamic, so Roba being in control earlier, and then later willingly submitting to Anon and having that used on her. I don't like "domination loss" but rather the willing change in dynamic between the two is insanely hot to me. I figured well, Anon is in control now so what does he do. how does he make her his if he is hers.>Overall, this was very cute, and very hot, and I liked the non-sex related stuff too. It could use some refinement, dealing with certain typographical errors and whatnot, but in terms of the actual substance, this was great.I'm glad you liked it anon and thank you for the feedback! I'm gonna take some time this week to patch it up and consider any other feedback I may get. I still feel like it's got some issues, and I was dead tired as I finished at like 4 am so when I get better sleep later this week hopefully I can go over it with less tired eyes.>spoilersI would love to see that
>>4021681glad to hear it anon. sometimes the good vibes come and go but we have to remind ourselves that they're bound to return and keep on running through.>>4021732there's something really strange about paying for an add for something like this for someone elses project (assumably).
>>4021732>>4021911there's no fucking way that someone else bought those ads, it has to be someone on the dev team using an alt.
>>4021914>it has to be someone on the dev team using an alt.ah you know what I didn't consider that, that's on me. That would of course make this more pathetic on the devs part. Rereading some of those posts from a sock puppet point of view is... something.
>>4021646I don't have much to say about this story other than it was pretty hot, I liked it when Anon bit Ceroba back, you don't see that kind of initiative from the Anons in these stories that often
>>4021928Hey thank you for reading it Anon! I think it's fun to do a little extra with the anon characters when the story has room to justify it.
>>4021914>>4021916Hmm... That guy has a deleted post about it on Deltarune subreddit, and it was done 2 minutes after it was posted here. So unless he watches our threads, which is unlikely, a local anon is both a redditor and payed for the ad.Why did (You) do it?
>>4021942>So unless he watches our threads, which is unlikely>posted within 2 minutes>"In no way afflicted with">thinks anyone that dislikes chapter 5 is a self absorbed weirdo made that their takes weren't in chapter 5I'm honestly willing to believe at this point that it's a sock puppet of the dev that's asshurt about a fair number of people here not liking chapter 5, and mentally traumatized by DRYs existence.There's no changing the fact that sometimes redditors come here, but I think there's a special breed of them that would normally be filtered by our existence (calling Clover a he) that come here despite that and just make themselves more upset. that's my headcanon at least.
>>4021964Just to clarify 2 minutes after this post: >>4019180
>>4021901>I saw this post as I laid down for bed and screamed internally. I can not run from my sinsHa ha, be ashamed.>Thank you for giving it a read anon.Of course, I was looking forward to it.>I was wondering about that actually as I wrote, I'll try doing some reading out loud and see if I can feel it out to change itAlright, nice, interested to see how you might go about it.>I may have used "Roba" too easily since I like calling her that. Nicknames can work in serious contexts but "The, Roba" being such a running joke with her probably doesn't help this oneYeah, it is a funny thing to call her, and I occasionally refer to her as such myself, but sometimes I don't think it fits as well.>oh, I'm glad that part worked then. I got stuck on it for a bit because I knew it needed to make that transition eventually, but I didn't want the stuff that came before the shift to feel like pointless filler.Yeah, I think the shift worked out pretty well here.>spoilerI think I understand that. I like him not lying about the thing that's distressing her, but instead just trying to move past it, showing her that it's not as big of a deal as she's worried it is. I do greatly appreciate that sort of thing in stories like this, when the couple actually feels healthy and functional, even if still a little strange.
>>4021905>The power of a unique textured tongue.God, I love that stuff.>I felt like I fell short in describing what such a thing might feel like, but I still wanted to try. I feel like if I was more patient last night I could have looked up some synonyms or somethingI'd say it was still pretty good, and it's not like you can't take a second crack at it at some point if you want.I can probably think of some more ways to describe her tongue in the anon's throat and mouth, but then this would just turn into barely-restrained horny posting, so I'll refrain from going on about that too much.In any case, I think you did it pretty well.>spoilerAh, that makes sense actually. I don't like it when one party in a relationship plainly has more "power" over the other either, so I guess it just hadn't occurred to me that it could work the same with biting like you did it here.To be clear, I think it works, just that the idea of Ceroba being bitten doesn't do as much for me personally as Ceroba doing the biting, so it's not really an issue.>I'm gonna take some time this week to patch it up and consider any other feedback I may get. I still feel like it's got some issues, and I was dead tired as I finished at like 4 am so when I get better sleep later this week hopefully I can go over it with less tired eyes.Yeah, refinement's always a good idea, but for right now, I'd definitely say I think you did a good job here.>I would love to see thatI'll have to see what I can do for this one, there were a few parts here that gave me some ideas for potential drawings, and I need to do some more Ceroba/Anon stuff anyway. And honestly, I know I've said I don't care much for the idea of being on the receiving end when it comes to oral, but god, that bit you wrote of Ceroba *slightly* overstimulating the anon by running her tongue over his cock was just phenomenal, I loved that. I'll have to go back through the story and analyze certain parts, I think I could do a lot with this.
Finally playing Shades of Justice, this bitch is really gonna rape me this time isn't she.
>>4022063I don't remember that dialogue. is that one of the things they added for her following you longer in the game? Bit of an awkward line considering this fanbase but now I'm really curious to see more of her added lines >>4022011>Ha ha, be ashamed.turning to dust as we speak>yeah, it is a funny thing to call her, and I occasionally refer to her as such myself, but sometimes I don't think it fits as well.it's something I'm gonna run through my brain a few times. If you were married to someone named barbara, and had come to call her barb, would you then switch to her full name in a serious context? Maybe? I guess it depends on how much that nickname had taken over> I do greatly appreciate that sort of thing in stories like this, when the couple actually feels healthy and functional, even if still a little strange.I think of that green where Anon and Roba had a fight. hiccups happen in even very healthy relationships, but pretending they didn't happen is, I think, the wrong way to handle it. probably.
>>4022036>and it's not like you can't take a second crack at it at some point if you want.true true>but then this would just turn into barely-restrained horny posting, so I'll refrain from going on about that too much.In any caseyes I feel that's a fair courtesy to the rest of the thread, though the topic will certainly cross my mind again in the future. >To be clear, I think it works, just that the idea of Ceroba being bitten doesn't do as much for me personally as Ceroba doing the biting, so it's not really an issue.that's absolutely fair>I think I could do a lot with this.If you end up deciding on something I'd love to hear what it is.Once again though thank you for the feedback on this. Hopefully I can get back to working on my other stuff now that I've appeased the possessive fox occupying my brainspace
>>4022068>it's something I'm gonna run through my brain a few times. If you were married to someone named barbara, and had come to call her barb, would you then switch to her full name in a serious context? Maybe? I guess it depends on how much that nickname had taken overThat's understandable, I guess it just depends on how much the nickname gets used in the relationship.>I think of that green where Anon and Roba had a fight. hiccups happen in even very healthy relationships, but pretending they didn't happen is, I think, the wrong way to handle it. probably.Yeah, I like the way you typically depict them, they feel more "real", so to speak.>yes I feel that's a fair courtesy to the rest of the thread, though the topic will certainly cross my mind again in the future. Oh, feel free to bring it up whenever the opportunity presents itself, this topic's great.>that's absolutely fairAlright, glad you understand. I actually think I felt the idea of "shared control" or however it should be referred before, since some of my earliest images had Ceroba and an anon in dominant and submissive roles, but I think I definitely leaned more into Ceroba being the dominant one as time went on. I oughta put her through it a little more than I do sometimes, make things a bit more "fair"...>If you end up deciding on something I'd love to hear what it is.I think I might end up having to do a few, there's a lot of good stuff here.Ceroba pinning Anon to the floor of the shower as she sticks her tongue down his throat, Anon visibly being overwhelmed as Ceroba licks his cock, the two of them just having sex in the shower, I could probably get some more ideas put together once I re-read it, there's a ton of good stuff here.>Once again though thank you for the feedback on this.Of course, hope it was helpful.>Hopefully I can get back to working on my other stuff now that I've appeased the possessive fox occupying my brainspaceHopefully, but foxes are never sated for long, right?
The Knight is Kanako and Cole amalgamate
Girl is letting me into her house, hehe time 4 sex B^)
>>4022153Oh she actually reacts to going to her house? that's new
I'm trying to get some work on this lineart done today, but I'm very sleep deprived and I can't stop thinking about the 'roba, she's taking over my brain again.Bluh.
>>4022163Hope the Roba doesn't mind you drawing naked (fictional) women
>>4022166If she knows anything about my drawings, I'll have a lot more to explain than just that.I should draw her again though, she's really eating up my thoughts right now, I need her so fucking bad...
>>4022110>Alright, glad you understand. I actually think I felt the idea of "shared control" or however it should be referred before,yeah honestly no idea what it's actually called, and most media is either one or the other, or pretends to be one before tricking you and swapping to the other.>there's a ton of good stuff here.I didn't think this would resonate with you this well but I'm glad to see it has, in fact>Hopefully, but foxes are never sated for long, right?>>4022163looks like it's already happened in your case.
>>4022171>yeah honestly no idea what it's actually called, and most media is either one or the other, or pretends to be one before tricking you and swapping to the other.Yeah, not sure what to call it myself either.Either way, I'm glad to see it present in your works.>I didn't think this would resonate with you this well but I'm glad to see it has, in factWhy not?It's all very nice, and Ceroba/Anon usually appeals to me anyway, especially when it happens to contain a lot of stuff I like aside from just the base pair.>looks like it's already happened in your case.Yes, it appears I've once again fallen victim to her influence. My mind has become a torrent of scattered thoughts about her, of submission, of domination, or even just gentle comfort and affection.God, what I wouldn't give to simply be held in her lap, her arms wrapped around me...
the more time that passes since I first played UTY the more I am "satisfied" with it existing. I still have that burning feeling the ending gives me, the desire to change the outcome or see other people write their own takes on it, but the more I see people try to make their own takes on things outside of here, the more I realize how much worse it could have been. I think we very nearly could have been without the things that we do love about this game in the hands of the joyless fucks out there.
>>4022173>Yeah, not sure what to call it myself either. I'm trying to figure that out myself since I think I might upload this one. not enough relatively normal lewd fics out there. No we just get a selection of things like "martlet gets bonked on the head" >Why not?I don't know I guess I just thought the things you'd like about it would end at "ceroba is present" and maybe the tongue thing. I figured the extra attention the hand/pawjob and her taking it down her throat would be like dead air but i guess the things that you did like were present enough in the matter.>Yes, it appears I've once again fallen victim to her influence. My mind has become a torrent of scattered thoughts about her, of submission, of domination, or even just gentle comfort and affection.>God, what I wouldn't give to simply be held in her lap, her arms wrapped around me...something something god I wish that was me something something. I may have gone back and 'reviewed' the petting green one time. both disc one and disc 2
>>4022179>first spoilerYeah, I do wish there were less aggressively horrific smut fics when it comes to the characters we like, it'd be nice to balance things out some.>I don't know I guess I just thought the things you'd like about it would end at "ceroba is present"Eh, I'm not *not* a fan of the other stuff, though I do very much the fact Ceroba was present, yes.>but i guess the things that you did like were present enough in the matter.Hm, fair enough.I'm not *not* a fan of the stuff you mentioned, I suppose, but the hints of other stuff did help too, especially the bit with Ceroba teasing Anon's cock with her tongue, that was great, but of course you know how I am.Write a Ceroba/Anon overstim fic, and my life is yours!!!/j>something something god I wish that was me something something.Same.>third spoilerThat small bit (I'm pretty sure) you wrote about Ceroba picking [me] up and putting me in her lap when I feel like I've lived too long has been occupying a space in my head ever since I read it.I'm a sucker for that kind of position for some reason, one person being held by the other like that.I dunno, I just think it's nice, I'm not sure I can articulate it properly, without making it sound weirder than it probably really is.
>>4021646Oh my. I wish I could give more constructive feedback but I'm too tired to be in critic mode. There are some typos, but I loved the structure of the story. Their dynamic as a married couple still learning each other's boundaries is well done, too.>it's something I'm gonna run through my brain a few times. If you were married to someone named barbara, and had come to call her barb, would you then switch to her full name in a serious context? Maybe? I guess it depends on how much that nickname had taken overDepends on how whether it is a conscious choice or a kneejerk reaction. Parents will often call their kids by their full names when they are really in trouble.>>4022171>yeah honestly no idea what it's actually calledI think it's called being a "switch."
>>4022190>I think it's called being a "switch."I guess that works, but I feel like there's a better term for it than that.
>>4022190>heir dynamic as a married couple still learning each other's boundaries is well done, too.I'm glad you enjoyed that anon, and I'm happy the structure worked out. I was worried that the pacing might be a little/lot iffy.>There are some typosI thought about taking some time today to work through those, but I'm running on two hours of sleep after last night. I'll make sure and give the spelling and grammar a once and twice over once I'm at full capacity>I wish I could give more constructive feedback but I'm too tired to be in critic modeall good anon, I hope you're able to get some rest as well.>Depends on how whether it is a conscious choice or a kneejerk reaction.that makes sense. I think I could see if he's not snapping at her that he might just continue using the nickname. >I think it's called being a "switch."huh, I thought switch was specifically for like, bdsm relationships but looking it up it doesn't seem to be that way?>>4022184>it'd be nice to balance things out some.indeed, I've been thinking of uploading a few of my longer things just to get some stuff focused on uty out there in some way since it feels like fic production has been in an odd place, but especially lewd fics since I can only think of 2 decent published ones.>I'm not *not* a fan of the stuff you mentioned, I suppose, but the hints of other stuff did help too,understandable, and after talking with you about it, I can see what 'worked' about it for you.>but of course you know how I am.>spoilersso it goes, so it goes I'll definitely do something more with roba in the future. >That small bit (I'm pretty sure) you wrote about Ceroba picking [me] up and putting me in her lap when I feel like I've lived too long has been occupying a space in my head ever since I read it.>I'm a sucker for that kind of position for some reason, one person being held by the other like that.no I definitely get it, nothing all too weird about it in my opinion at least.
Well here is it, that writing project I've been talking about for more than a month, almost 11k words of "baby's first fanfiction" quality, and that's not an exaggeration it is worse than you think, I kind of regret trying to write this, but I regret even more admitting that I've been working on it, if I had kept it to myself I wouldn't feel guilty abandoning this project. This has been by far the hardest Naranja related anything I've done, not even drawing the intro slides and coding my first recreation of UT's battle system felt this monumental.There's an high chance the prose or wording might be nonsensical, so if you see any of those issues, well, I fucked up.Btw this story's canon status is dubious at best, so any detail or inconsistency you see here might not apply to the actual game.https://rentry.org/iefidn9fI could be even more specific about why I dislike this story so much (like the length, it was never intended to be that long) but I think I've already influenced your view on it too much, I'll save that for a later post, I got the feeling I'll regret posting this.One good thing about this is that it removed any doubt I had about needing an editor, so if anyone wants to help with UTN's writing and doesn't mind getting spoiled of everything, I'll be listening.Now I can finally go back to working in Naranja, oh and I'm going to bed now, so if you read it and leave feedback, don't expect me to reply soon, it will take a lot of mental fortitude to begin reading those posts too.
>>4022227get some rest Anon, I'll start reading through this a little tonight and after work tomorrow.I will say, however it turns out, good work getting through it.
>>4022206>indeed, I've been thinking of uploading a few of my longer things just to get some stuff focused on uty out there in some way since it feels like fic production has been in an odd place, but especially lewd fics since I can only think of 2 decent published ones.Honestly, that sounds like a good idea, getting some good stuff out there.>understandable, and after talking with you about it, I can see what 'worked' about it for you.Well, the things themselves are still nice on their own, just, you know.>so it goes, so it goesAh, it's a kink, I can't much help it.I still think it has some relatively nice aspects to it, trust and all that, even if it is extremely freaky.>spoilerMore stuff with 'roba in general, or something particular?>no I definitely get it, nothing all too weird about it in my opinion at least.Alright, good, glad I don't seem like a weirdo for wanting to be held in the 'roba's warm embrace like that.
>>4022227Damn, I'll have to give this a read later tonight.>One good thing about this is that it removed any doubt I had about needing an editor, so if anyone wants to help with UTN's writing and doesn't mind getting spoiled of everything, I'll be listening.I would be tempted to offer any aid I could, but I think I mostly just qualify as a nitpicker/arguer than anything resembling an editor.
>>4022227Only part of the way through it right now, but I like what I'm seeing so far. I think some of the prose and structure is a bit clunky, but outside of some basic word replacement in certain areas to improve the general flow of the text, I don't think it would take much to address that.I'll try and give some exact examples once I've read the full thing, but so far so good.>it will take a lot of mental fortitude to begin reading those posts too.Perfectly understandable, it can be daunting to read criticism like that after putting so much of yourself into a work like this. I can tell you put a lot of thought into this story, so I doubt anyone'll have anything too harsh to say on it, even if minor nitpicks can still feel like a lot sometimes.
>>4022227Alright Anon, I finished reading it. I'll try to give a much more thorough write up tomorrow after work IF you'd like one, but for now I have to say, you're being way too hard on yourself. There are flaws, things to fix, things for you to learn in writing, and as you get better at writing it's probably not bad to have someone look over your work, but fundamentally I don't want you to regret writing this.The scenario was interesting, Luzma's characterization was exciting, while showing that she has depth that we the reader aren't privy to the full extent of yet. The action was interesting, I liked how you tried to incorporate game mechanics into the writing, which isn't easy to do while keeping the pace of a fight scene, and there were a lot of little moments that made me smile or laugh in particular I really liked >"...Hey, I'll make sure you get a piece of the bounty."and>(hell points)Seeing the way that she strategized in battle was really good, it's a non verbal thing that gives us an even broader view of her character which helps get people into the scenes.That said, something you should practice is how you use punctuation. There's places you forget small things like the comma before most dialogue, but other times I feel like you use a period when you should use a comma, and then a comma when you use a period. Think of the punctuation like the voice of your writing. Outside of their strict grammatical purpose, they determine the pacing of the story and how the readers eyes engage with the page. In the simplest terms, a comma is a pause, and a period is a longer pause. This applies even outside of dialogue, though you can abuse punctuation more freely when someone is talking.I feel like you start new paragraphs a little too often, but it's honestly not so bad, just feels sometimes like the next paragraph continues the same 'notion', and should have been kept together
>>4022258>>4022227cont.I was mostly able to follow the story really well, there were a few times when the action got a little murky, keep in mind while action is rapid and intense, sometimes you can slow down your writing and the scene a little bit 'out of character' while keeping everything moving fast in universe, and flowing smooth in writing. the fight in the out of bounds area was really cool, there were a couple moments I had to reread a line because something felt unclear, but the framework of what you are doing here is worthwhile. If I read this in the wild I'd think "well shit that was a neat read" while recognizing that there were some rough moments. The tail blade situation was really cool, I liked the strategy as I mentioned earlier in how Luzma fights, but in a strange way I liked her opponents strategy more. there were moments where it seemed like you were trying to show a moment of doubt on Luzmas side, but admittedly I wasn't 100 percent certain.Beyond that there's word choice, something you did great at times, and other times I found myself thinking "you could change this around a bit to better say what you're trying to say."and head hopping. you got out of it really quickly, but in the first fight sequence you head hop which as a rule of thumb is something you generally want to avoid (aka our main POV is luzma, but we're getting sensations and experiences from people around her that she couldn't possibly be privy to).you actually fix that problem in the second fight by making it clear that the sensations her opponent is experiencing is what she believes he must be going through, and as a result that fight was much clearer.
>>4022261>>4022258one last cont for now.I'd be glad to go in more detail on specific scenes you did well, and scenes you could make some changes to improve, but again, I don't think you should regret writing this at all. it was an interesting read at it's core, and as you improve your prose that will be a massive boon for you. Some people manage to fix the WAY they tell stories, but never manage to have something interesting to tell, so you're at a good starting place here.As far as editing, I'm sure several anon's would be more than happy to do some editing for you, I know I would, but I don't think you need it as a "crutch because I'll never be good." and more just that you need to continue writing, getting better, and having a second set of eyes on your work because every author ideally needs that (it's actually really frustrating when you can't get that second set of eyes on your work in my opinion because we all have blindspots, no matter how long you do this for)So that you don't give yourself time to get stuck in your head over your progress as a writer next time, I suggest writing smaller, bite sized things, getting feedback on phrasing, and leaning heavily on the things people point out that you're doing well. Keep it up anon, I'm more interested in The Blue Flame Of The Dark Abyss than ever before.
>>4022233>Well, the things themselves are still nice on their own, just, you know.I get it, you'll get no grief from me on it this time >trust and all that,honestly this alone makes it easy for me to understand. I wouldn't complain if Ceroba put me through any of the currently mentioned>More stuff with 'roba in general, or something particular?I'll absolutely do more stuff with Roba in general, but it just depends on what the dark spirit commands next, you know?>Alright, good, glad I don't seem like a weirdo for wanting to be held in the 'roba's warm embrace like that.Hah, surely you saw the line about Anon's warm blood soaking her fur while her warmth soaked into his soul right?GIWTWM
>>4022264>spoilerHuh, you plan on being harsher in the future?>honestly this alone makes it easy for me to understand. I wouldn't complain if Ceroba put me through any of the currently mentionedAh, there you go, now you get it.Trust, it's what makes being "tortured" by a loved one a-okay.>Hah, surely you saw the line about Anon's warm blood soaking her fur while her warmth soaked into his soul right?Hm, fair enough. Blood doesn't do much for me personally, but drawing just a bit of it can be neat.Guess it just circles back around to trust, for me.
>>4022267>Huh, you plan on being harsher in the future?just kidding around or something. It's late and I'm tired.>Trust, it's what makes being "tortured" by a loved one a-okay.Now, I'm not saying I'm into some of the more extreme things myself just because I understand, but yeah the trust and implicit consent is the magic sauce (in my opinion at least).>Hm, fair enough. Blood doesn't do much for me personally, but drawing just a bit of it can be neat.ah sorry that was supposed to be symbolic rather than erotic in that moment. His warmth and her warmth. the lifeblood of a human, and the spiritual warmth of a monster I promise, as strange as it may seem from all of this, that I don't have a blood kink.
>>4022227Okay, thoughts.It's mostly positive overall, don't worry.Negative critique's first though, sorry.The other anon said some of what I was thinking already, but I think I have some stuff of my own to add to it. Obviously the grammar and punctuation could do with some reworking to an extent, along with some word choices themselves seeming somewhat out of place for the contexts they're in, but by and large, the actual story being conveyed seems well done. I think the only major issue I could identify is that sometimes the way things are written makes it slightly hard to keep track of what's happening, but I think that may just be an issue I'm running into while trying to visualize the story in my head. For instance, while Luzma was chasing that guy through the OOB section, I found it a little difficult to visualize exactly how they were moving physically relative to each other at times, but strictly speaking that may just be on my end.I think there are also some instances where it's unclear exactly how we're meant to interpret certain parts of the text. For example, when the antagonist (I'll re-read it to find his name, I feel like I missed that somehow, unless his name is just Azupay) says he's affiliated with Asgore and Gerson, it doesn't feel clear enough as to whether we should be taking that seriously, or if we should be taking that as the guy talking out of his ass and just making up lies to try and save himself. Those two interpretations lend themselves to very different pictures of who this guy is, so it not being completely clear what we're supposed to think muddies things a little more than is perhaps a good thing, though some vagueness can help, depending on what kind of story you're telling.I also feel like some of the dialogue doesn't necessarily completely make sense in the context it's being said in, but that wasn't terribly common. 1/?
looks like someone forgot their line breaks lol
>>4022275Huh, I always assumed that the text was designed to just automatically break like in a word processor.
>>4022227>>4022271I think the line "Now that's terror." was slightly clunky, but I think that might just be because it gave me Deus Ex flashbacks, so I'm not too sure what to think of that, because I can't confidently say that feels intentional. The antagonist whipping out a Senator Armstrong speech about achieving "true freedom" was interesting, even if it did start giving me some heavy MGR vibes, as I just said.I feel like Luzma starting to want to prove her "ideological superiority" came slightly out of left field though, since from what we know of her just in this story, she mostly just seems to dislike the guard, so she doesn't seem to have a particularly defined ideology of her own in this, even if we count information about her that we've been given externally, such as her dislike of taxes, so it seems slightly strange for there to be a political spin thrown in there all of a sudden.Not that I'm complaining about the presence of politics or ideology by themselves, I think you could do a lot with that if you wanted to, I just think it could've been set up and executed a little better than it was here.I also feel like there was a bit too much time restating certain things, namely with the sugar. I'm not entirely sure how to articulate it, but it feels like the presence of sugar (sugarcane, the smell of sugar in the air, etc) was really emphasized a lot, when I think it could've been mentioned a bit less and the reader would've still retained the knowledge that the area was filled with sugar. Concept permanence, effectively, I think the writing should have slightly more trust in the reader to remember stuff like that, since restating it as frequently as it does just seems a little clunky at the moment.Also, while I do like the detail of Luzma's attacks having their own names, I do think it makes things slightly confusing to read at times, remembering what they refer to, though it does add a good bit for her own character writing. 2/?
>>4022268>just kidding around or something. It's late and I'm tired.Mm, fair.Most of what I'm into is very rightfully mockable, but I don't think most of it is *that* bad, all things considered.I do recall exactly one person saying they thought tickling was disturbing though, so maybe my scale's still just miscalibrated.>Now, I'm not saying I'm into some of the more extreme things myself just because I understand, but yeah the trust and implicit consent is the magic sauce (in my opinion at least).Yes, I was just saying that I think you get the core of it.>spoilerI got that, I just can't help but also see the literal aspect alongside the metaphorical.Two halves of a whole truth.>I promise, as strange as it may seem from all of this, that I don't have a blood kink.I believe you. I don't have one either, but I also don't view blood in the same way as a lot of other people do to begin with, on account of how often I see my own blood.Once turned a handkerchief completely red when I was a kid, very injury-prone, made it less distressing.Anyway, were I in the context of that story, I mostly wouldn't mind bleeding because of her. If anything, I'd be concerned it'd stain her or something and she'd start worrying about it again, literally staining herself with my blood.
>>4022227>>4022280Actually, now that I think about it, I think I may have gotten mixed up on that last bit there.I can't quite tell if I'm bad at following along, or if it's the story's problem, but I'm honestly leaning more towards that just being my own fault.Hm.That aside, I think some of the villain's dialogue and Luzma's dialogue can sound a bit too similar at times, mostly in their shorter phrases, but overall they're mostly distinct from each other, and the context surrounding those instances is enough to discern who's speaking at any given time anyway.I also touched on it earlier, but I think some of the word choice could use some work, such as Luzma talking about "loneliness" when the subject of "freedom" is first brought up. "Loneliness" is generally considered to have negative connotations, so it has a strange vibe when used in this context by her. "Solitude" or "Isolation" might be more fitting for the tone you're going for here, potentially.3/(I don't know, trying to wrap this up)
>>4022275I got soft locked by the smoking guy on the first minecart puzzle. I don't remember this sort of bug when I first played UTY, is this a SoJ thing?
>>4022288Never got any softlocks when I played through so I assume SoJ, but then again I may have just missed it.
>>4022227>>4022286Alright, now the good stuff.I think the creativity on display here is really admirable, exactly what I want to see from someone making a game like this.The location the story's set in, the usage of OOB areas, and the characters and the way they interact with each other, all felt pretty fresh and interesting, I'd definitely say you've got a knack for designing things like this.For instance, the mud monster trying to close in on Luzma as an attack was pretty good, reminding me of depriving a fire of oxygen to extinguish it, and I liked Luzma's counter to that being to dry the monster out so it would break, that felt like a pretty logical yet creative way to have their monster physiologies interact with each other.I also thought the main antagonist's technique of forming a blade of caramelized sugar on his tail was interesting, even if that seems a little more out of left field to me. It's still neat, just isn't something I'd have thought of, which really isn't an issue.As for the antagonist himself, I thought he was neat. Nothing crazy, I found his sudden political turn to be an interesting development, even if I think it potentially could've been handled better. I made the comparison before, namely with that one bit of dialogue, but he strikes me as a very NSF kind of guy, like Leo Gold, just more hostile.And like I said before, I don't have a problem with that sort of thing being present in a story set in UT's universe, I think the underground would be fascinating on a political level, so if politics and ideology are going to be a recurring theme in UTN and its characters, that sounds pretty cool, count me the fuck in.I liked the details about some of the villain's attacks on Luzma also doing damage to him, on account of her being made of fire, that's another thing that feels "logical yet cool" to me. Like, it makes sense that would be the case, but it's also just cool to see aside from that, it's a cool detail to include here.4/?
>>4022227>>4022290That does kinda remind me of that one discussion of "flame retardant gloves" though, but, uh, anyway.I really liked Luzma's characterization here. I think outside of that one description post about her, this is the most we've gotten to see of her, and I like what I've seen here.First, yes, the story constantly changing her own self-applied title is funny, that was good, feels very fitting for her based on what we've heard of her outside of this story, but concerning the story itself, I think it helps give the reader a better idea of who she is fairly early on, so I'd say it works on both a comedic and functional level.I like the parts saying she has music "playing in her head", like she's imagining an AMV of *herself* while she's actively fighting, that was also pretty good, her characterization was pretty strong here in general, you did really well with that, so I won't list off all the things I liked just for the sake of brevity.One thing in particular I found interesting was the way she treated the villain's kid, with her actually holding back and even going out of her way to try and push the kid onto a better path.This might seem like an odd thing to refer to, but it kinda reminds me of part of the second Riddick game, Assault on Dark Athena, where Riddick, a largely survival-oriented, inhumane killer, saves a child from the generally horrible things happening at the time, and then proceeds to comfort the child from the loss of her parents, by talking to them like a fucking Sith lord, about how the kid needs to learn not to fear the dark inside and around them, edgy shit like that, played completely straight.It's not exactly the same thing, but it reminded me of that, in a good way.I also liked the little glimpse into Luzma's deeper thoughts at the very end of the story, the implications being set up there were interesting, and I always appreciate a view past the surface of things.5/6
>>4022227>>4022293Okay, last one, sorry for dragging this out.I think this story was pretty good, even if I may have been a bit more verbose about the negatives than the positives, I don't think the positives are outweighed here.I think the problems are just very technical in nature and therefore needed a bit of verbosity for me to fully explain them, but they weren't actually that bad, and the good on display here easily outshines them anyway.The worldbuilding was good, the characters were good and decently conveyed and fleshed-out, the details were smart and felt like they made sense while still being interesting, the ideological angle was unique and didn't feel too out of place, and the action felt decently good too.I think I forgot to talk about the action outside of the details I liked, dammit.To be brief, I think a lot of the action was pretty good, like the various details I thought were cool, but I also really appreciated how you weren't afraid to let Luzma get beaten up over the course of the fight, to the point of her dodging an attack that *would* have finished her off, if it had landed, as seen with that bit with the afterimage. I think some action scenes in things are unwilling to let the protagonist get bloodied up like their opponents, but I think all that does is make it feel like they're just playing on godmode, which makes the action itself less interesting, so this story having Luzma take her fair share of damage was definitely a good thing, and I think also does a good job of showing off how her confidence in herself can be a double-edged sword, working for *or* against her depending on how she plays her cards in a given situation.So, the action was good too, is what I'm saying, even if that spatial reasoning problem I mentioned earlier can still muddy things a bit here and there.Overall, good stuff, and I'm very glad to see you got this done, even if it has its weakspots here and there, these weaknesses will fade as you proceed.6/6
Sadie uses genderless pronouns for Kanako in this line for some god forsaken reason.
>>4022299it's to keep it mysterious who she is referring tomost people won't know this is kanako right off the bat, or even on repeat playthroughs without supplemental material
>>4022300>>4022299it also says that in the original dialogue, so that's not a SoJ change.
>>4022300I guess? But it's still pointless to do.
>>4022302keep in mind, singular "they" was not invented by 'those people'. It was just a vague way of referring to someone who isn't present or involved in the current conversation.
>>4022303I don't get why anglos are so awfully afraid of "it" but who am I to argue.
>>4022303or just unknown gender, which in a narrative sense to hide the identity of someone from the reader is acceptable (which is what I believe is happening here)
>>4022305'it' is for an object.do you really wish to refer to kanako as an object? do you TRULY wish for her to be the kanakube?
>>4022305NTA, but in English, "it" is typically not used to refer to people, and it is considered dehumanizing language when it is used for such a thing.
>>4022305It is generally considered derogatory in english. "reducing someone to that of an object." Even the gender folk usually find it offensive.>which in a narrative sense to hide the identity of someone from the reader is acceptable (which is what I believe is happening here)true though that would make it a little more awkward for sadie to use it that way since it's a meta reason, so I just pair that along with it's original use as in, sadie didn't mean anything by it, but the devs wanted to keep it unknown like you're suggesting I think.
>>4022307>>4022309>>4022308nta but most other languages don't even they or it, every object is gendered and gender unknown defaults to male(this is why toby will never translate his games to non english/japanese languages and why this entire gender thing is mostly a thing in english speaking places)
>>4022310I consider any language in which I have to consider whether a lawn chair has a cock or a vagina before directly referring to it to be a language of esotericism and evil.
>>4022310>nta but most other languages don't even they or it, every object is gendered and gender unknown defaults to maleyeah I've noticed that. I'm not really sure on what language roots led us to not having as strong of gendering in our language. I'm pretty sure English is pretty closely tied to german which has the whole Der die and das thing (german being one of the ones that has gender neuter in das iirc)
>>4022308>and it is considered dehumanizing language when it is used for such a thing.So it's the right pronoun then
>>4022316Depersonalizing language, then.
>>4022312probably something early in the formative era being along the lines of>hm, it'd be retarded if we referred to every object as a guy or girl>and we need a word for if we dont know what something is, too!
>>4022305I fully agree with you, I don't understand why people are so against removing the stigmas behind "it". While not perfect, it sure beats the alternative of using "they" for absolutely anything of any plurality.
>>4022277Kristal does this, but I believe none of the official games (nor UTY) do.Wonder if I should implement it in my own project. The more I think about it, the more it doesn't seem too hard to do.
>>4022329because of how small the default UT textbox is, I think its better to keep each line separated because it is really easy to write too much and then having to go back when it doesn't fit all in one box, or just helps keep the dialogue short and you don't have the characters yap too much
>>4022153her face looks so fucking stupid I can't take it seriously
>>4022381What I find really funny is that not only she is based on a character from Russian puppet show, but her color scheme matches the colors of Zenit Saint Petersburgh FC.
>>4022387I've seen this pic posted before but I never realized it was a real doll I thought it was a photoshoped abomination.
>>4022153her face looks so pretty it make me wanna cum
Alright, how would one best go about inserting the idea of Sadie having large breasts into Deltarune Yellow? The easiest and most subtle way I can think of is via item flavor text, specifically armor.
>>4022454Sprite edit.
>>4022454I hope you are not either of DRYanons
>>4022458Cute but no.>>4022478Neither, just a retard
>>4022454what >>4022458 said, but if you want plausibly deniable flavor text you could also make her tall.>"...It doesn't fit." [When attempting to equip it to Sadie] then again you could get away with it if you act casually woke enough
>>4022227She canonically jobbed to a 12 year old autistic kid btw
>>4022454armor descriptions would be the best way to go about it.but there is a very thin line between "innocent gag" and "the author's blatantly obvious fetish insert"and there is NOT much room on the innocent gag side.
>>4022505>>4022534>"...it's a bit tight around the chest."Along with other characters not commenting on that in their own flavor text could work. And you get plausible deniability, what with it being a movie quote.
2 years later and only now I realized The Shufflers might have been a pun on "getting mugged" what the fuck
>>4022538remove the "around the chest" part and you'd be golden.
>>4022540Holy shit what the fuck :0
>>4022540Holy shit undertale yellows, I fucking kneel
>>4022534Is "woman with big tits" really a fetish though? Its definitely sexual but I don't know if the term applies to what's basically a universal constant of male sexuality.>>4022541That's too far in the other direction, plus it removes the movie quote.
>>4022540You people shit talked that Yagi antenna gag, but this is the exact thing I was talking about. This is way funnier than it would've been if I got it right then.
>>4022546>Is "woman with big tits" really a fetish though?Definitely seems to be, for the guy obsessed with Sadie's tits anyway.
>>4022549What qualifies a fetish though? Because every straight man loves big tits. So it'd seem weird to call big tits a fetish.
>>4022550A more specific fixation on them can qualify as a fetish, especially if it centers around them being of an unusual size in particular, etc.You can have a fetish for something that's considered default, you know.
>>4022546you know what i mean. the line between being an innocent gag and not is thin, and you dont have much room to work with for something like this in the first place.>That's too far in the other direction, plus it removes the movie quote.i dont think anyone would get the movie quote in the first place.and explicitly saying that its tight around the chest is far too blatant, you have to leave why its tight ambiguous.
>>4022540God dammit that's beautiful
>>4022546>plus it removes the movie quote.>he thinks people watch movies>>4022546a more accurate figure of speech would be "The Author's Barely Disguised Boner".
>>4022548Its fairly different. A joke the game intentionally holds the punchline on isnt the same as a punchline that was present with the original joke and we see it now.If it was intentional, all the needed information was present with the original gag
>>4022552Thats from Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. It's specifically from Gimli
>>4022556anon i want you to think about this for a moment.how big do you think the audience overlap is for UT/DR fangames and the lord of the rings movies?
>>4022551>You can have a fetish for something that's considered default, you know.Can you? No one says that straight men have a women fetish.
>>4022556Even still, breasts packed into tight spaces is a fetish and the attention given to it will make it clearly "the authors barely hidden" one
>>4022559Not insignificant? I'd say you're underselling the popularity of the trilogy.
>>4022552>i dont think anyone would get the movie quote in the first place.I got itbesides, a little tame sexual joke isn't gonna kill anyone. Nobody complained about Tasque Manager, and she's nothing but jokes about bdsm and other fetishes like the nun outfit. And the only complaints that ever came out of Noelle being a massive degenerate are about it being yuri. Then there's all the homoeroticism with Mettaton.Sexual references are fine as long as you play them for laughs and don't lay them on too thick
>>4022563not him but I never watched it before, wtf is a Gimli
>>4022560No, but you can have a fetish for certain traits commonly associated with women, even if you don't realize it.Let me be clear here, there's a difference between simply liking a woman with large breasts, as opposed to going "man, wouldn't it be crazy if this character had massive breasts, way larger than anyone else's, and she was constantly talking about how tight her clothing is around her chest, and she has to watch out for things that might rip up her clothing for ENF scenarios and-", you get the idea.It's a fixation on it in particular that makes it a fetish, even if liking breasts in general isn't a fetish by itself.
>>4022554>he thinks people watch moviesYeah, they play them too.
>>4022567He's a dwarf and the best dwarf in history
>>4022563NTA, but I didn't catch the quote either, and I've never seen the LOTR trilogy before.Besides, that's a pretty non-specific thing to have as a quote like that, I don't think most people would clock that as a quote from LOTR to begin with, that's like expecting people to register a line about an outfit being tight in the crotch as being a clear reference to Spider-Man, as opposed to just being a sexual line in general.
>>4022566>Nobody complained about Tasque Manager, and she's nothing but jokes about bdsm and other fetishes like the nun outfitTasque manager is, and I hate putting it this way, "adult coded".>And the only complaints that ever came out of Noelle being a massive degenerate are about it being yuriPeople threw absolute fits over "disgusting 4channers sexualizing noelle".>Then there's all the homoeroticism with Mettaton. He's an adult.People will scrutinize "tight chested sadie" in a different way than they would over jokes involving any adult or "assumably adult" character.
>>4022559>biggest fantasy blockbuster of the 2000s and the most influential fantasy novel series of all time>Has not one, not two, but three major adaptations>is regularly referenced in other media to this day>practically invented the genre of fantasy as we know it today>Still gets games based on it to this day>Still very present in modern memes>Deltarune chapter 4 is full of references to itI would imagine its pretty big.
>>4022555It doesn't withhold it any more than UTY did. Both of them are some subtle wordplay that isn't pointed out or explained when the joke happens. If anything it witholds it less, since it does provide an explanation later for a follow on gag about one of the characters not getting.
>>4022567You know the Egyptian guy that helps Indiana Jones in Raiders of The Lost Ark and Last Crusade. Its that actor dressed up in dwarf makeup with a bunch of trick photography to make him look short. He's probably the best on screen depiction of a fantasy dwarf ever.Also, you should watch Lord Of The Rings, its really good. One of the great landmarks of cinematic history.
>>4022575>It doesn't withhold it any more than UTY didThe joke is right there from the moment the characters introduce themselves. Its not the game delaying the punchline, its just us not clocking it, but it was all packed into the opening of their little scene.Your idea involves separating the information needed on a much more obscure pun by hours of gameplay (not a lot of people know what a yagi antenna is anymore).Fundamentally different because of that.
>>4022572Ok, but why care what those people think? They're obviously unreasonable faggots with a phobia of sexuality. Its not like sexualizing teenagers for the sake of a gag is a new concept, basically every anime to this day or teen focused movie made before 2010 did that.
>>4022581Well thats a completely different topic and up to the tone you're going for, but it does absolutely give off a different tone, and the statement was "nobody complained" when they absolutely did. Why even bring up that nobody complained if you dont actually care about that?
>>4022581>>4022566Hell, the "bosom" joke from Queen(directed at the gang), Spamton calling Noelle a [hochi-mama], the comments on Rouxls having a small ass, the sexy dragon book, Deltarune is full of little innuendos.
>>4022571It was one of the funnier off the cuff lines said by Gimli in the trilogy. Its like how anyone who's played Deltarune would instantly get "GOD. DAMN IT." as a reference, even if its a really common phrase in the English lexicon.Also, you should definetly watch Lord of The Rings.
>>4022579I suppose its more extreme, but its the same principle.
>>4022582I don't remember anybody complaining about the lines being the game, just about people reading the lines like that, even when the lines were blatantly sexual like basically everything Noelle says when talking about Susie to other people.>>4022584Oh hey, and that last one is even associated sexual content with a Kris at an even younger age.
>>4022573NTA, but the problem with what you're saying here is that it doesn't matter how big the thing you're referencing is, if the reference itself feels so non-specific that most people still wouldn't get it.Imagine if you had a character in some game get asked if they were having a problem, and they respond "No, no problem, why?".What is that a reference to?
>>4022587If you say so. Nothing wrong with an obscure joke, but I do think that obscurity makes the impact of the delivery significantly different.
>>4022589Star Wars, specifically the scene where Lando asks if Han's having a problem with his droid.
>>4022586>Its like how anyone who's played Deltarune would instantly get "GOD. DAMN IT." as a reference, even if its a really common phrase in the English lexicon.I don't.I mean, maybe I'm familiar with the original source of that, but the line itself is such a generic phrase that it's not striking me as being a dead ringer for anything.
>>4022588DRY1 also has a few of these, nearly all of them with the two idiots at the forefront of the story. I think a subtle joke implying Sadie has a large chest won't be an issue.>>4022589Leaving out a bit of the context there, anon. It also has to do with armor.
>>4022591Alright, nice catch.
>>4022588>even when the lines were blatantly sexual like basically everything Noelle says when talking about Susie to other peopleWhile noelle seems to be a bit of a perv, the tone of her, compared to tasque manager is night and day for pretty much anyone observing.I dont myself have a problem if someone wants to make a pervy joke in their fangame about sadies breasts, but focusing on how tight her armor is and stuff like that will absolutely come across as fetishy, more in line with tasque manager but a bit more intense since tasque skirts the line (people are used to weird dominatrix jokes in a way and again, tasque comes across as an adult)
>>4022591>>4022589I think that if you weren't going out of your way to point out you were making a reference, most people by a wide margin would not catch that one in the middle of gameplay as a reference
>>4022592Really? That was the punchline to Rouxls's bit in chapter 1, and I think he did it in the following 2 chapters as well. You know, every time something he tries fails miserably.
>>4022563>>4022566>>4022573yeah, of the 2000s.its been two and a half decades since then, most of your target audience wasnt even alive when the trilogy came out.there's no way in hell you're getting them to sit down and pay attention to 12 hours of film when they could instead watch a few highlight reels on tikstagram or whatever and act like they know what they're talking about.they'll miss the reference because the highlight reels didnt include that line, and then they'll only say "y-yeah i knew that!" when they read about the reference on a wiki.back to the point>tasque managerthe difference here is that she's an adult and sadie is a high school teenagersame goes for mettatonas for toby getting away with the yuri shipping in the first place, teen romance isnt inherently sexual. big boobs ARE inherently sexual
>>4022600Eh, even then. Its not like everyone has to get it. Its still a pretty innocuous line. "a little tight across the chest" is a pretty common complaint for clothes that don't fit.
>>4022597>compared to tasque manager is night and day for pretty much anyone observing.One's desperate and embarrassing (bordering on Mordecai chair sniffing levels) while the other is dominant and confident. Even if you want to be uncharitable, I don't think its more sexual than tasque manager.
>>4022601Oh, what, as a reference *to* Deltarune?Yeah, I get that, I thought you were saying that line in and of itself was a reference to something when it was used *in* Deltarune.And again, that's still a pretty generic line, I don't think that would register as being that specific like you say it would.
>>4022603That's fine, but its going to be clocked very quickly as "the authors barely disguised fetish"It wouldnt make me personally stop playing a game if it was some fetish I didnt like and it only went that far (well, as long as it wasnt an exodia tier fetish), but I'd raise an eyebrow and immediately think "im onto you author."
>>4022603NTA, but then that just circles back around to whatever anon it was who was saying the reference was important for the joke.
>>4022602>there's no way in hell you're getting them to sit down and pay attention to 12 hours of film when they could instead watch a few highlight reels on tikstagram or whatever and act like they know what they're talking about.If they're not gonna sit down to watch three movies, then they're probably not gonna play a fangame of a fangame and read through all the item equip dialogs either.Also, you have way too pessimistic of a view of "kids these days". Just because some of them are braindead feed addicts with no attention span doesn't mean they all are. I've seen just as many that watch those 8 hour long video essays or spend days watching streams or marathoning anime. Hell, its even become to shame people for the sort of behavior you speak of. If they were all like that, then they wouldn't have any desire to shame people for "larping" a fandom.> teen romance isnt inherently sexual.It usually is, and it was the way he depicted it. At least Noelle's part of it.
>>4022604>Even if you want to be uncharitable, I don't think its more sexual than tasque manager.Its going to register to people as such because "lol dommy mommy" is already in the public consciousness, jokes about dominatrixes have been getting made for much longer, and any such joke targetting a kid will fall under more scrutiny.Its not the end of the world but I think this threads reaction, with even how much we're tolerant of things that outside spaces would freak out about, should be telling on how it would be perceived on the whole.
>>4022612>If they're not gonna sit down to watch three movies, then they're probably not gonna play a fangame of a fangame and read through all the item equip dialogs either. Nta but I dont think thats a reasonable take. Movies and games are fairly different hobbies and a lot of people just dont set aside time for movies now, but will play interactive stuff all day
>>4022611Not everyone has to get the reference. Its the nature of references that some people aren't going to get them. So you just make them feel natural in context so they won't feel out of place to those that don't get them, while still being funny to those that do.
>>4022615Yeah, but the problem with that here is that to anyone who doesn't get the reference, it's just gonna seem like a sudden line about a teenager's chest size, which is at least a little bit odd to have out of the blue like that, unless commenting on Sadie's chest size is an established thing by that point, and at that rate there's no way you're getting around the "author's barely disguised fetish" accusations.
>>4022613I dunno, the jokes in DRY1 about Kanako's fanfics in the archive, and the,>"What are gonna do on the bed, Cole?"line went over pretty well off-site. Think I saw more people bitching about Cole's pronouns.
>>4022614Maybe? This may just be personal bias, but I've always found it to be much easier to watch a movie than to play a game. Though fair enough they are different hobbies. I still think that its a fittiing counter to him specifically arguing based on attention span. You need a pretty solid attention span to get to the point of looking through equip dialogue in DRY.
>>4022616I don't think its that weird. Its not like DRY hasn't already been making sexual jokes with its teenage cast, like the bed joke or making Cole try to look through Kanako's underwear while she watches, or "studying anatomy". Its pretty in line with that stuff.
>>4022617Those all come across to readers much differently (especially because most people don't know what 'what are we going to do on the bed' is from)One strikes people as "hinting at something naughty, the enjoyment comes from the implications of teen romance and the embarrassment the characters might displayAnd the other says "something fetishy is going on" and sets off different mindsets.People -will- view it differently. Thats fine if you're ok with that, but when writing lines, ignoring what they communicate is just covering your ears.Things that should seem equal do not give the same impact to the end user
>>4022613I think anons here are too paranoid about what some unhinged bsky/reddit busybody may theoretically think. Those people will lose their shit over anything, even shit that makes no sense to us even knowing how they operate. Trying appease them is not only an act of cowardice but is also a pointless endeavor. Better to not even think about them.
>>4022622>especially because most people don't know what 'what are we going to do on the bed' is from)You don't have to know what it's from to see her face and get the idea. Hell, I got basically the same joke before knowing about onee chan hentai when TFS did it in DBZA.Plus, hentai memes are still pretty big in the cultural zeitgiest.
>>4022618>Maybe? This may just be personal bias, but I've always found it to be much easier to watch a movie than to play a gameI'd say thats your bias for sure. Some people literally go to the theater, and browse their phone the whole time, in the damn theater. Games can be easier to engage with sometimes for certain people due to the constant engagement> You need a pretty solid attention span to get to the point of looking through equip dialogue in DRYMaybe, but I think for some people its a kind of autism where they have to pick through everything, and they cant do that picking while watching a movie.I saw a movie recently that I loved every minute of, and then read some reviews out of curiosity of people walking out on it and saying it had no plot. Then theres also less people going back and watching movies before their time
>>4022621>studying anatomyThank you, anon. I completely forgot about that one.
>>4022623>I think anons here are too paranoid about what some unhinged bsky/reddit busybody may theoretically thinkNo, I think its important to simply be aware of the impact of what you add when writing, not to avoid doing it, but to not blind yourself to the meanings of your own words.>Trying appease them is not only an act of cowardice but is also a pointless endeavor. Better to not even think about them.Im not saying to appease them in the slightest and I figured that saying I have no problem with it should communicate that
>>4022625Even out of context, the bed comment has a pretty obvious implication.
>>4022625"What are we going to do on the bed" by itself communicates a teasing humor and the punchline to most people is the flustering that would naturally come from that. It doesn't communicate "This is from a loli sex doujin"Just like how people don't know that "A cat is fine too"Is from heavily suggested lolicon content >Plus, hentai memes are still pretty big in the cultural zeitgiest.Knowing the words to most people is just a cheeky jokeKnowing the source changes the game.
>>4022630The bed one in game is clearly kanako just teasing cole, it comes across as much more light hearted than you're trying to claim
>>4022591yeah but you're a NERD for knowing that Back to the main topic though, I think it could work, but it'd require additional characterization so it wouldn't sound too out of left field. Like how Noelle being a freak about Susie might be because she's deeply unhinged in general and idolizes a free, rebellious spirit like Susie that could "punish" her into breaking free from conformity
>>4022626>Some people literally go to the theater, and browse their phone the whole time, in the damn theater.I'd say that's part of a movie being easier to watch. You can do other things while watching it. Yeah, I think it's kinda dumb to do that and try to give movies my undivided attention, but you absolutely can watch movies easier than you can play games. I guess it'd be more accurate to say that its harder for some people to pay attention to movies.>and they cant do that picking while watching a movie.You can pick all sorts of tiny details out of movies. I like rewatch movies and shows a lot, so I catch all sorts of subtle implications and gags that way. Though maybe some people just can't do that unless its interactive.
>>4022629fair enough. I still think "the implication" here is a bit overblown.
>>4022633What characterization would be needed to justify that? I would think just the simple idea of that being Kanako exclusive armor would be enough to justify it. > Susie might be because she's deeply unhinged in general and idolizes a free, rebellious spirit like Susie that could "punish" her into breaking free from conformityI still think a lot of that is due to displaced feelings for Kris and Dess. Especially the masochism, that was all Kris's doing.
>>4022645Its not so bad, and I think anyone whos not up their own ass will at worst roll their eyes. So I can agree with you on that. I dont want to come across as trying to stop someone from adding something they like to their own game, but if were making references, I think its important to go into these kind of things "with both eyes open."
3000th postwooo!
>>4022622>>4022623>>4022631>>4022632I'm not saying we need a full blown reproduction of that green earlier in the thread or anything like it. This sort of thing would just be more of the same we've already gotten. A bit of flavor text on some armor implying it's tight on one character and not the others is about as innocuous as the rest.>>4022647To add on here, flavor text also sometimes just descriptive, or a humourous comment.
>>4022644>but you absolutely can watch movies easier than you can play gamesI was saying that happens at the theater, which feels like more effot to deal with than just booting up console or pc>You can pick all sorts of tiny details out of movies. I like rewatch movies and shows a lot, so I catch all sorts of subtle implications and gags that way. Though maybe some people just can't do that unless its interactive.I'd say the way you go about that picking takes a different form which just contributes to the whole "different hobbies" thing.Hell, one look at /tv/ will show you how little a lot of people that even claim to love movies actually pay attention to them
I'm trying to extract the music of DRY but the only stuff I could get is the .package files of the .ogg filesIs there a better way to do this?
>>4022653Just use a godot extractor
>>4022654i tried it, it still only gives .import files
>>4022651Like I said, Im not against doing such a thing if its to your tastes. Stopping you was never my goal
>>4022654Do you know where to get one?
Any other sites than catbox to use? It keeps saying it's down till the storage issue is solved. I've finished a pic I wanna share but don't know what other sites people here use.
I'm surprised so many people here have never seen LOTR. Its one of my favorite movies and pretty heavily influenced a lot of my writing in Oldentale.
>>4022658Litterbox seems to still be up so it could work short term. Other than that I'd just say try googling anonymous file hosting sites.
>>4022659I wasn't part of that conversation but I didn't watch it either
>>4022658Could try Mediafire or something.
>>4022660Thanks anon, appreciate the tip it worked. Either way, wanted to share this here cause it does contain DR related stuff, namely the best flower aurafarming like her heroes do. She's about to help some chibis out.https://litter.catbox.moe/ynuxpty05n91sv93.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/gpbqtz0vweoqz316.pngTwo different flavors of farming.
>>4022659Well, a lot of people haven't seen a lot of things.Hell, I didn't even see the original Star Wars trilogy until around 2019 or so.It might come as a surprise to you, but not doing something is usually the default option, so a lot of people haven't seen a lot of things you might consider to be universal, just because actually seeing those things is something you have to go out of your way to do.
>>4022655>>4014751i figured it out>https://file.garden/aZyRM_7FZklyvjbb/DRY%20MUSIC.zipshould i go through the effort of learning how WMM works or will somebody else upload these to YT?
>>4022663Heh, neato. I like the second version with her back turned
>>4022662Mediafire sucks and I'm pretty sure it isn't anonymous
>>4022663While I don't think this is relevant to the threads I do find the drawing to be pretty nice, I think this is the first fanart I've seen that involves Mina and Orange
>>4022661>>4022664I know that obviously everyone on Earth hasn't watched it, but I figured the autistic nerds who enjoy RPGs and fantasy games, Deltarune specifically, would've seen it.
>>4022672I think you might have a somewhat skewed idea of the kind of overlap between UTDR fans and LOTR fans, I really haven't seen them compared too much before outside of these threads, and even then, it seems like it's just you making the comparisons here.Someone liking fantasy in general doesn't mean they'll necessarily be familiar with or a fan of one series in particular, even if they might be more predisposed to it.
>>4022672I rarely if ever watch movies so I was never too interested in watching it, but I did play some LOTR games
>>4022667Thanks anon, couldn't decide what pose to go for so I did both.>>4022671Yeah I get you. Originally it was just supposed to be Mina and my gal but then I played chapter 5 and I liked Orange so I wanted to include her too.
>>4022673I figured people would've at least checked them out after Toby referenced them in chapter 4.
>>4022676...Did he?Like, seriously, did he actually make that many references to them in chapter 4?Because if so, I definitely didn't notice that, and you can't really expect people to immediately clock references to things they literally haven't seen, can you?
>>4022659I haven't seen LOTR movies in a decade, but I have read The Hobbit few years agoDoes that count?
>>4022672For me, I watched them, but I was like 10 when they started coming out so remembering the specific lines is beyond me. I just remember really wanting the two towere game but we were broke dick.Also the "never thought Id die fighting side by side with an elf." That and the "eye" meme version of it are stuck in my head
>>4022677Gerson is literally just Tolkein as a Turtle. He wrote "Lord of The Hammer", is a world renown author because of it, died before finishing his last work, and his family never finished it for him (though irl that was probably for the best), fought in WW1, had his main character be an obvious self insert (seriously, he's an author from the not!English countryside who leaves home seeking adventure, fights a war, then comes home and writes books about mythology), but nobody minded because he was well written, his books are very loosely inspired by ancient mythology, they even dress the same and pose with a pipe the same way.I just kinda thought it would've been obvious by the name, or they would've seen people point it out.
>>4022676Oh, wait, the "Lord of the hammer" thing, right?I guess that's an overt reference, but I think I didn't really pay attention to that because of the usage of the word "hammer" in that and previous chapters, namely the thing with Alvin in chapter 2.This probably sounds silly, but my mind went to Thief when I started hearing about "hammers", especially since Alvin's dialogue made it sound like he was referring to himself as a "hammer", and they have their weird religion that seems highly based on Christianity, just like the Order of the Hammer in Thief.So, that basically blocked out anything else for me.
>>4022680Yeah, probably counts more than watching the movies does. I've still yet to read any of them other than Fellowship because the books are *LONG* and there's 4 of them, and I'm not that avid of a reader.
>>4022672The Undertale fandom was mostly millennials and zoomers, Deltarune leans more into the zoomer side. Things like Star Wars or LOTR are nerd media with a higher appeal on older demographics now.For DR, you might get more of a response by asking if they watched shows like Adventure Time, ATLA, Steven Universe, Gravity Falls and so on.
>>4022682Oh, and they were both teachers. Gerson taught at the Hometown School, while Tolkein was a professor of English Literature and Mythology (and also wrote the Oxford English Dictionary)
>>4022684>especially since Alvin's dialogue made it sound like he was referring to himself as a "hammer"Which dialogue?
>>4022682>>4022687NTA, I understood the Tolkien reference as soon as I saw that "The Lord of The Hammer" was an in universe book, I also thought the references to Tolkien and Gerson were pretty obvious.I still didn't watch the movies.
>>4022689I think it's in chapter 2, in the graveyard, you can see Alvin standing in front of Gerson's grave, and when you leave you get another bit of dialogue that's slightly cut off, [picrel].I thought that dialogue was him effectively "asking" Gerson if it's alright for him to do something, with him referring to himself as "this hammer", like "hammer" being a term used for a member of their faith or something.I know, that's obviously stupid now, but I didn't think it was that crazy at the time.
>>4022694>I know, that's obviously stupid now, but I didn't think it was that crazy at the time.Nta but I guess I can see that. Running tabletop it can be cool having a faction that refers to themselves like that
>>4022682>>4022687Oh I get it, the reason why Gerson feels so different in comparison to other characters is because he's not only a reference to pre-interent works, but he's also he's an author character that is played straight and isn't a parody (like Tenna who's a parody of TV hosts)>>4022685If it helps, The Hobbit is one book and self-contained, so you can stop there if you want. It's the LOTR trilogy where it continues the story and builds off from The Hobbit
>>4022694I guess I can see the logic, though it seems like a pretty big leap to assume that's what he meant in that scene. Maybe it'd make more sense to me if I played Thief.
>>4022702Probably.I don't know if you'd like Thief though, its stealth mechanics and difficulty don't exactly strike me as your kind of thing, and I'm not sure you'd like how it handles its fantasy setting.Anyway, yeah, this was a bit of a leap for me to make, but I also remember other people back in the day theorizing that Alvin was going to be a lot more important than he now seems to be, so I don't think I was necessarily wrong to think there might have been more significance to that dialogue than there ended up being.I guess I was just looking in the wrong direction for plot implications, and the heavy in-universe religious themes in chapter 4 made me think even more about the Order of the Hammer, so the LOTR reference was something I didn't pay much attention to.
>>4022695Yeah, it would've been neat.Probably too much of an overt reference for him to really get away with, and almost certainly too much of a fantasy element for the light world to have, but I guess the stuff that made it make sense to me made me ignore the other stuff that invalidated it.
>>4022701Wtf Oldentale reference??????
>>4022701>but he's also he's an author character that is played straight and isn't a parodyI think his lines about irony poisoning and the virtue of sincerity made that pretty clear.I also didn't think of this until just now, but they're both also historians who specialize in the study of myths and pre-history. Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit are basically just Tolkein's fanfiction for what went on in Europe before recorded history and history according to all the mythologies he studied. It even has some self indulgent fanfic-esque things like him creating the Rohirrim specially to include the idea of "what if the ancient Britons had horses". The Hobbit was framed as a text he discovered and translated. And a bit of a double tangent here, but his writer friends (mainly CS Lewis) would often tie their stories in with his by making them share a setting, even if they were separated by a few millennia. Like the Screwtape Letters featuring some random helmet as an artifact from Middle Earth (though it isn't called that by name), which kinda reminds me of what we do around here with the little references we throw in to each others games.>The Hobbit is one book and self-contained, so you can stop there if you want. It's the LOTR trilogy where it continues the story and builds off from The HobbitI know that. I have seen all the movies more times than I can count (well all of them except the Bakshi Lord of The Rings movie).I do intend to read the Hobbit first whenever I get around to reading the series properly.
>>4022706>I don't know if you'd like Thief though, its stealth mechanics and difficulty don't exactly strike me as your kind of thing, and I'm not sure you'd like how it handles its fantasy setting.I liked Deus Ex, I've heard its similar. I have The Dark Project on CD, but I never did get around to playing it.>and the heavy in-universe religious themes in chapter 4 made me think even more about the Order of the Hammer, so the LOTR reference was something I didn't pay much attention to.Tolkein was also known for being a very devout Catholic, and it showed in his philosophy and writing. There wasn't any heavy handed moral statements in there or clunky allegories (in fact, the books make a point to never touch religion at all), but it was pretty obvious what the man's moral foundation was by how he wrote and depicted things.Also, I hope SURVEY2 does something with Alvin
Anyone knows what the book in the secret boss room of DRY chapter 2 is a reference to?
>>4022717>I liked Deus Ex, I've heard its similar.Sort of. I remember Warren Spector making comparisons to Thief in some game dev presentation he did, but one of the key differences he highlighted is that stealth in Thief isn't a choice, it's mandatory, while Deus Ex lets you have more freedom when it comes to how you handle things, so that might be an issue for you.>Tolkein was also known for being a very devout Catholic, and it showed in his philosophy and writing. There wasn't any heavy handed moral statements in there or clunky allegories (in fact, the books make a point to never touch religion at all), but it was pretty obvious what the man's moral foundation was by how he wrote and depicted things.I get that, I'm just saying that's not where my mind went at first, and even if I wasn't catching signals that weren't there, I don't think I'd have noticed what you saw without me also knowing what you know, and I don't, which leads back to my earlier point about people not getting references to things if they aren't familiar with the things they're references to.If I hadn't been thinking about Thief, I probably would've written off "The Lord of the Hammer" as being a little literary joke, and assumed there wasn't anything else to it than that.
So what, that's like 5 people who haven't seen Lord Of The Rings? I suppose I was just ignorant then.Still, I'd highly recommend you watch the movies or read the books, especially if you're interested in Oldentale. Those were a big inspiration while writing in. A lot of the way I laid out the world and designed the elements in it was inspired by that. And if those are too long for you, I'd suggest at least watching the 1977 animated Hobbit movie. Its a really neat little fantasy adventure, and communicates the spirit of the world really well. Plus it has my favorite depiction of the eagles, and they absolutely did play a role in my affinity for birds in Oldentale.
>>4022723I have read the books, but didn't watch the movies. I heard that is much worse as a movie, so I didn't watch...
>>4022725If I remember right, Samwise is "Him" in the books while hes a but more... meek? Something like that in the movies. He gives the spider "what for" in the books I think
Either DRYanon care to comment on the flavor text discussion, assuming you're still watching the thread?
>>4022725Lord of The Rings is different as a movie, which is why some purists dislike it, but its still great. Don't go in expecting a 1 to 1 copy, a lot of stuff is cut, moved around, or changed to better work in a visual medium, but not in the modern shitty way. It still preserves the spirit of the original while adding a lot of elements that only a visual medium can bring.The live action Hobbit movies are actually bad adaptations though. They're 50% filler, and not even filler that fits with books or the other movies. You can blame Warner Brothers for that.And the animated Hobbit movie is just fun. I heard even Tolkein liked that one. Not that he disliked the others, he just wasn't around to give an opinion on them.
>>4022729Pretty sure at least one of them was in the discussion at some point or another. No need to necessarily shed anonymity over it
>>4022727Sam is still an absolute bro in the movies, and the real MVP of the team.
>>4022719Anybody? It says something along the lines of "A book about a little skeleton that could"
>>4022734I think that could be a reference to "The Little Engine That Could" which is a children's book about a steam engine climbing a steep mountain by believing in itself. Could be a layered reference though.
>>4022735The book in Cole's room references Return to Form, so maybe it also references some other fic?
>>4022736Or maybe its a comment about this stuff being really old kiddie stuff from Kanako's childhood that she's held onto because of the fond memories.
>>4022744I don't think the book would fit in the place where the secret boss is located
>>4022647Honestly you could just play a body image angle with it. Sadie's already pretty damn tall next to Clover in UTY, maybe in the other world she's just huge and has about a quarter or even half a head over everyone at school
>>4022746or maybe she "grew up" faster than everyone else did and might have complex feelings over how she's treated and how she views herself through that lens
>>4022723>So what, that's like 5 people who haven't seen Lord Of The Rings? I suppose I was just ignorant then.I feel like it's probably more than that in total, just that there were only so many people in that discussion in particular.>Still, I'd highly recommend you watch the movies or read the books, especially if you're interested in Oldentale.I feel like I enjoy your work plenty without needing to know the inspirations too intimately, for me personally anyway.Oh, actually, I did watch the Hobbit movies when they came out, but it's been so long since I've seen them, and I heard they weren't that good from people who actually know about that stuff, so that probably doesn't amount to much by now.
>>4022745The secret boss of chapter 2 is an old OC from Kanako and Cole's childhood, stored in the same general place as Anme.
>>4022751As I said earlier, the live action Hobbit movies suck.
>>4022754Well, that's about the only interaction I've had with the series, other than liking the "They're taking the hobbits to Isengard!" meme.
>>4022753It is under the drawer, not inside it
>>4022754Oh, wait, I've also seen this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swzpt2qJ8SYAnd *that's* the extent of what I've seen from the LOTR series.See, it's like how Touhou isn't actually that popular with people these days, people just know the memes about it while not actually engaging with the source material.Except LOTR is just somewhat old as opposed to being obtuse and offputting like Touhou is.Anywho-
Would Geltarune have a castle town analogue? What would it be like, is it still in the mac?
>>4022756Still, its in a secluded corner of her room stored near where her Anme drawings were.
>>4022766I actually Im curious how sparing, recruiting or whatever might be worked into the game. Maybe there's a "break room?
>>4022778"Break room" sounds like an OOB location
>>4022779That's were they store Springtrap, he's Geltarune's schizo boss
>>4022779>"break room, broken room. Mostly ita just a place for monsters that have given up."
>>4022780That's actually a mouse caught in a mousetrap transformed into a darkner
>>4022781Would be cool if UTN referenced unnacesdible rooms like the dog check room
>>4022782Make it a small yellow rabbit and we have a deal
>>4022784Val tries to fight the dog
>>4022788Should the dog appear in Naranja at all? I don't remember seeing Annoying Dog in UTY
>>4022789for DRY2 at least i will be having one dog gag a chapter.they're funny.
>>4022788No, I meant like, something like an OOB guild member mentioning that once he found a pitch black room with a dog, after which he blacked out and his inventory was filled with dog residue
Hey Naranjadev, I have a question.How messy is Bedo's general living space?This is mostly just out of curiosity, but I'm curious about how well she cleans her room and house and whatnot, like if she's prone to leaving soda cans or dirty laundry around or something.I know she's a neet and all, but I feel like those don't necessarily go hand-in-hand, but I'm also not sure if I see her house being super clean either.Also, I hope the criticism I left on your story isn't too daunting to read, sorry if it was. I actually had like one more thing to say about it, but I figured I'd said enough for the time and that adding another reply probably wasn't for the best.
>>4022793Who would Bedo work as in DRN?Would she still be a NEET?
>>4022766i do have plans for a town area but there's not really going to be a recruit system or a hub area. you're locked into sparing enemies due to violence being against company policy but i do wanna have a couple battles where you can fight when you're by yourself
>>4022794Still a neet, no need to change anything.
>>4022797But it would be hard to rope her into the Dark World.
>>4022796>you're locked into sparing enemies due to violence being against company policy Huh, I do remember that image about kiaos saying peace was a cheaper use of company resources or something>but i do wanna have a couple battles where you can fight when you're by yourselfNeat, Im curios if those battles will affect anything in a more broad sense
>>4022796What if a darkner is a dangerous criminell who wants to destroy company's property?
>>4022798Come up with a reason then, if you have to radically change how the characters work in order to get them to fit a plot, then your plot's bad and doesn't fit the characters you're working with.
>>4022798Simple, she leaves her house SOMETIMES, she just happens to need to go to (place where dark world is) one day
>>4022798>>4022802>>4022803>the one day a month she had to go to the store, dark world.
>>4022798Also, who says she'd even be a character that interacts with the dark world in a DRN take?Not every boss character in UT has had a dark world segment in DR, in fact, most don't.
>>4022802I didn't say radically change, just wanted to know if anons have any ideas. We don't even know that much about her to "radically change her"
>>4022806Well I don't know why you replied to my post with all that then, since I wasn't talking about any of that shit.
>>4022804Depending on how things go down, she may leave the house even less often after this
>>4022801simple, according to the crew handbook you just need to contact law enforcement (there is no law enforcement)
>>4022805>who says she'd even be a character that interacts with the dark worldMostly because we don't have enough characters. And Bedo would be able to show her martial arts past in the dark world.
>>4022807Because you replied to me, so I replied to you? You were "talking about that shit"
>>4022814Your reply to my first post was about DRN when I was making an entirely unrelated post that had nothing to do with what your post was about.
>>4022809>no law enforcementBetter coll Cole!
>>4022796Maybe you should allow fighting, but it gets you the "fired" ending.
>>4022815Because it was related to Bedo
>>4022798Do you not know the adventures your unemployed friend goes on at 2 PM on a Wednesday?
>>4022821Yeah, but the rest of that had nothing to do with my post.You know you can just make your own post, right?There's no need to reply to random other posts just because of word association.
>>4022794Bedo would be like those chineese guys who "work" as dead people in movies
>>4022822Bedo's not just unemployed, she's a neet who stays inside all day.Frankly, the real answer is that she'd probably end up making a dark world in her own house just by slamming a controller into the ground angrily enough.
>>4022823You seem to be knowledgeable in the field of sea bunny monsters
>>4022826I was just asking a question to the dev for my own curiosity, the hell are you talking about?
>>4022825>she's a neet who stays inside all day.You do know what that acronym stands for, right?
>>4022831NTA but that doesn't stop her from going outside?
>>4022833He said she's not unemployed, then said she's a neet
>>4022831NpersonEwhoEdoesn'tTgooutside?
>>4022834I said not *just* unemployed, dumbass.As in, she doesn't merely not have a job, she's also a shut-in too.
>>4022841No, he's just being stupid while trying to act smart.
>>4022836Not in Employment Education or Training>>4022838what if a dark world opens up in her house?
>>4022844>Not in Employment Education or TrainingI know, I was making a joke because that guy didn't know what he was talking about.
>>4022844>what if a dark world opens up in her house?No clue, I still haven't gotten an answer to that question I asked up there.It'd probably be based on whatever video games she has, at least partially, but outside of that, who knows.
>>4022836NearlyEnvironmentalEarthquakeThreat
>>4022825>>4022847I don't know why Val would break into her house, I don't think they would even know each over IRL
>>4022847Well she would probably still be a neet and it wouldn't be too hard to rope her into a dark world. Either someone makes one in her house, or she happens to stumble into one the one day she decided to actually go outside. >>4022845I know from experience that neets do still go outside, and even the shut in variety get out occasionally.
>>4022850Maybe he wants to learn a super secret technique from her, maybe DRN Bedo also used to practice MMA
>>4022851>Well she would probably still be a neet and it wouldn't be too hard to rope her into a dark world. Either someone makes one in her house, or she happens to stumble into one the one day she decided to actually go outside. Don't think you replied to the right post.>I know from experience that neets do still go outside, and even the shut in variety get out occasionally.Yeah, no, again, I was making a joke at that guy who was being an idiot.
>>4022852>Hey Val, you should totally come to my house, I will teach you a "super secret technique", wink wink>Val takes it literally
>>4022851What if Bedo owns an Arcade and somebody makes a dark world there?
>>4022855maybe she can teach him how to do a full nelson
>>4022853>I was making a joke at that guy who was being an idiot.that idiot is me>Don't think you replied to the right post.It was a reply to the chain as a whole. You said your question wasn't answered, so I answered the main question of the chain. If that wasn't your question then I have no idea what your question was.
>>4022857That feels a bit much for her, she doesn't seem the type for business ownership.
>>4022860>that idiot is meOh, sup.Yeah, I still think you're an idiot.>It was a reply to the chain as a whole. You said your question wasn't answered, so I answered the main question of the chain. If that wasn't your question then I have no idea what your question was.Yeah, that wasn't my question, most of this chain was started by some other guy who replied to my initial post about something completely unrelated, and I yelled at that idiot about that too.
>>4022857Well then they'd have to beat the Black Knight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FASUZRYs0fM
Alright, I'm finally back, after dealing with some real life bullshit, first of all, thanks for the feedback, I wasn't expecting something so detailed- I took the time to read all the posts regarding the story, it was hard at first but I did it.>>4022235>I would be tempted to offer any aid I could, but I think I mostly just qualify as a nitpicker/arguer than anything resembling an editor.I mean, that's better than nothing, even someone who just nipicks my writing could help pointing out plot holes and inconsistencies.>>4022243>only part of the way through it right now, but I like what I'm seeing so far. I think some of the prose and structure is a bit clunky, but outside of some basic word replacement in certain areas to improve the general flow of the text, I don't think it would take much to address that.I'll try and give some exact examples once I've read the full thing, but so far so good.That was the kind of criticism I was expecting, I need to read and write a lot more if I want to improve on the prose.>Perfectly understandable, it can be daunting to read criticism like that after putting so much of yourself into a work like this. I can tell you put a lot of thought into this story, so I doubt anyone'll have anything too harsh to say on it, even if minor nitpicks can still feel like a lot sometimes.I know, I'm not expecting people to come here and shit on everything I've wrote, still, hard to not feel self conscious about my writing.
>>4022861What if it's an abandoned building where she squats at?
>>4022862>and I yelled at that idiot about that too.Maybe there's multiple idiots then, because I don't know who said what to who anymore.>Yeah, I still think you're an idiot.Ok, why don't we just start over. What do you think I meant and what was wrong about it?
>>4022866>>4022258>Alright Anon, I finished reading it. I'll try to give a much more thorough write up tomorrow after work IF you'd like one, but for now I have to say, you're being way too hard on yourself.I know, I know, your first time writing anything "serious" won't be as good as you want, you need to suck at first to become good at it. Even if you don't see think the story was bad, as soon as I made that post yesterday I started to regreat everything even more, but I knew there was no turning back, and in the end it was the right choice, it would have been much worse if I had kept this story to myself, because then there would be no way to know if it truly was as bad as I thought.>The scenario was interesting, Luzma's characterization was exciting, while showing that she has depth that we the reader aren't privy to the full extent of yet.I thought the action might have gotten stale, I was thinking really hard about cutting down the lenght of the second fight, as for the game mechanics, that was something I added while editing the first draft, somehow I forgot to include gaming elements in a UT fight of all things.>That said, something you should practice is how you use punctuation.I feel like you start new paragraphs a little too often, but it's honestly not so bad, just feels sometimes like the next paragraph continues the same 'notion', and should have been kept togetherI knew that there would be some problems regarding punctuation, I'm used to only typing for casual conversations and such, I know the difference between a comma and a period, but I never made that connection of periods representing longer pauses, I'll keep it in mind for my next story (whenever that might be)
>>4022869>>4022261>I was mostly able to follow the story really well, there were a few times when the action got a little murkyThat was one of my worries, I was wondering if the pacing for the fight and the story in general was too fast or if the prose wasn't detailed enough for the reader to picture what was going on.>the fight in the out of bounds area was really cool, there were a couple moments I had to reread a line because something felt unclear, but the framework of what you are doing here is worthwhile.I was almost certain the fight in the OOB would be confusing, maybe that was a bit beyond my level, but I wanted to give it a try.>The tail blade situation was really cool, I liked the strategy as I mentioned earlier in how Luzma fights, but in a strange way I liked her opponents strategy more.I honestly thought the fight wasn't as strategic as it could have been, but that might be just me overthinking it, anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed it.>there were moments where it seemed like you were trying to show a moment of doubt on Luzmas side, but admittedly I wasn't 100 percent certain.That was an angle I should have played a bit more, the point is that she was being too confident while still not adapting to her new "working conditions", of course she would never admit it so clearly.>Beyond that there's word choice, something you did great at times, and other times I found myself thinkingThis is exactly one of the reasons why I said I need an editor, it bothers me knowing that with a slight change something could have been better. >and head hopping. you got out of it really quickly, but in the first fight sequence you head hop which as a rule of thumb is something you generally want to avoidI remember catching a glimpse of a conversation on head hopping on one of these threads, that made me change some of the stuff I had already written, but it looks like I missed a few.
>>4022864Yes! That's what I was thinking about
>>4022868>Ok, why don't we just start over. What do you think I meant and what was wrong about it?You made a post replying to my post asking if I knew what a neet was, and then made another post (assuming that was you) saying that I said she was employed and then called her a neet, when you actually just missed the word "just" in my post.To be clear, I'm calling you an idiot for getting smart with me without actually understanding what I wrote to begin with, and replying to me based on said misunderstanding.
>>4022263>I'd be glad to go in more detail on specific scenes you did well, and scenes you could make some changes to improve, but again, I don't think you should regret writing this at all. Feel free to do so if you want, the replies to the story already lost their threatening aura.>it was an interesting read at it's core, and as you improve your prose that will be a massive boon for you. Some people manage to fix the WAY they tell stories, but never manage to have something interesting to tell, so you're at a good starting place here.>As far as editing, I'm sure several anon's would be more than happy to do some editing for you, I know I would, but I don't think you need it as a "crutch because I'll never be good." If you do want to become Naranja's "Editor", the offers in the air.>(it's actually really frustrating when you can't get that second set of eyes on your work in my opinion because we all have blindspots, no matter how long you do this for)And that's what I was thinking while writing "All In A Day's Work" (The Luzma story)>So that you don't give yourself time to get stuck in your head over your progress as a writer next timeI was thinking of doing just that, I actually wanted to write a shorter story focused on Zaer, but that would contain some spoilers and since we are so """""close""""" to the release of the first area demo, I'd rather wait until I release that before publishing this story. I do have some ideas for a few other short stories, I should probably write something tomorrow, even if its just an small interaction.>Keep it up anon, I'm more interested in The Blue Flame Of The Dark Abyss than ever before.Thanks for the feedback anon, it was more than what I was hoping for.
>>4022271>I think the only major issue I could identify is that sometimes the way things are written makes it slightly hard to keep track of what's happening, but I think that may just be an issue I'm running into while trying to visualize the story in my head.No, that's most likely my fault, I did feel like I was falling under the "white room syndrome", I need to improve on my descriptions for spaces.>I found it a little difficult to visualize exactly how they were moving physically relative to each other at times, but strictly speaking that may just be on my end.Nah, I do think that section could be summarized as "Luzma moves" moves to where or how? who knows, I'll try to keep it in mind for later.>I think there are also some instances where it's unclear exactly how we're meant to interpret certain parts of the text. For example, when the antagonist (I'll re-read it to find his name, I feel like I missed that somehow, unless his name is just Azupay)His name is just Azupay (Azucar + Supay, did I mention I struggle coming up with names?), I guess I didn't repeat it enough times.>says he's affiliated with Asgore and Gerson, it doesn't feel clear enough as to whether we should be taking that seriously, or if we should be taking that as the guy talking out of his ass and just making up lies to try and save himself.I didn't consider it could come as confusing, but in retrospective I can see it, He's was part of an elite group of royal guards, the part that is bullshit is him stating that he was on the same level of strength as Asgore and Gerson, that's bullshit, otherwise Luzma wouldn't have lived to tell the tale, that could have been more clear>I also feel like some of the dialogue doesn't necessarily completely make sense in the context it's being said in, but that wasn't terribly common.Ah, fuck, this was actually my main concern, well, better luck next time, dialogue once again proves to be the bane of my existence.
>>4022871I remember posting an idea for an arcade themed dark world like a year ago. And one of the ideas for it was that there was a fake out involving a black knight, who you obviously think is the roaring knight, only for it to be this pinball machine darkner instead. He's still really strong though, since he's a brutally hard pinball machine that no one's ever beaten. His only reason for antagonizing you is that he knows the arcade will be shut down soon, and he wants to be defeated in a fair contest, just once, before he retires.I was originally thinking of this with the $%^& Squad, but it would probably work better with Val, since that sounds like something he would sympathize with, and a wish he would want to fulfill.
>>4022866>I mean, that's better than nothing, even someone who just nipicks my writing could help pointing out plot holes and inconsistencies.Well, if you need any aid, I'd be happy to offer whatever I could, since I can definitely spot at least basic to moderate stuff.>That was the kind of criticism I was expecting, I need to read and write a lot more if I want to improve on the prose.Yes, but this wasn't a bad start by any means.>I know, I'm not expecting people to come here and shit on everything I've wrote, still, hard to not feel self conscious about my writing.I understand completely, showing off something you've put a lot of time and effort into can be nerve-wracking, but it's something you work past eventually.Just have to brave, eh?
>>4022874>>4022280>I think the line "Now that's terror." was slightly clunky, but I think that might just be because it gave me Deus Ex flashbacks, so I'm not too sure what to think of that, because I can't confidently say that feels intentional. So basically, in some Spanish speaking internet communities, you say someone has a "terrorist take" when their opinion on something is too wrong or delusional, I should have accounted for that, it does look like a Deus Ex reference.>The antagonist whipping out a Senator Armstrong speech about achieving "true freedom" was interesting, even if it did start giving me some heavy MGR vibes, as I just said.Now that was partially intentional, I did use Armstrong as a reference for him, mostly because he's one of the best examples of a villain with little screen time but that still leaves an strong impression, the execution could have been better.>I feel like Luzma starting to want to prove her "ideological superiority" came slightly out of left field though, since from what we know of her just in this story, she mostly just seems to dislike the guard,I didn't see it that much as a political statement on her part, she was mostly just playing along with him, she's not missing her chance to have a duel with someone with a strong ideological view, and what better way to make things more epic than by opposing his ideologies? (even if she does have a different point of view and her dislike of the guard is the main driving force behind it)>Not that I'm complaining about the presence of politics or ideology by themselves, I think you could do a lot with that if you wanted to, I just think it could've been set up and executed a little better than it was here.Yeah, I see your point, I did want to leave it ambiguous how much of what Azupay says is bullshit and how much is really ideologically driven, this is one of those things were my overthinking should have been triggered.
>>4022878>>4022286>I can't quite tell if I'm bad at following along, or if it's the story's problem, but I'm honestly leaning more towards that just being my own fault.If you don't have this problem with other stories then it's most likely my fault.>That aside, I think some of the villain's dialogue and Luzma's dialogue can sound a bit too similar at times, mostly in their shorter phrases, but overall they're mostly distinct from each other, and the context surrounding those instances is enough to discern who's speaking at any given time anyway.Another problem related with dialogue, I need to keep experimenting with different voices for my characters.>I also touched on it earlier, but I think some of the word choice could use some work, such as Luzma talking about "loneliness" when the subject of "freedom" is first brought up. "Loneliness" is generally considered to have negative connotations, so it has a strange vibe when used in this context by her. "Solitude" or "Isolation" might be more fitting for the tone you're going for here, potentially.Huh, you know, I don't like bringing up I'm ESL as an excuse, but I didn't know that, in Spanish, both "Solitude" and "Loneliness" are translated as "Soledad", another reason why I need and editor, anyway, still my fault, Solitude fits better with the more flowery vocabulary Luzma tries to use.
>>4022872Well even as a shut in, she probably still does go outside occasionally. She has to eat and get her neetbux to pay for food, or if she lives off a relative, she has to get dragged along with that relative when asked to keep up enough good will to keep living on their dime. And even if she didn't do either of those things, even terminal shut ins want a little fresh air every now and then. Being inside at home 24/7 is maddening.
>>4022881I know, my point wasn't that she doesn't go outside *ever*, just that she doesn't go outside often, moreso than someone who is merely lacking employment.Hence my post that you initially replied to back up there.
>>4022879>>4022290>location the story's set in, the usage of OOB areas, I'd definitely say you've got a knack for designing things like this.Thanks, I feel like I could have used the OOB in a much more creative way, but this is fine for a start.>The mud monster trying to close in on Luzma as an attack was pretty good, reminding me of depriving a fire of oxygen to extinguish itI like doing that sort of stuff, just interactions between monsters powers and their weird bodies.>I also thought the main antagonist's technique of forming a blade of caramelized sugar on his tail was interesting, even if that seems a little more out of left field to me.I needed to give him some form of bladed weapon that could clash with Luzma's scythe and something that worked as a counter for Luzma's fire, the explanation for it IS pretty convoluted but basically, Azupay is based on a "Perro Familiar" (another monster from Argentinian folklore) these hellhounds are heavily related to sugarcane, when burnt, sugarcane becomes raw sugar, melted sugar (mixed with water) becomes caramel which is pretty hard once it dries. This made much more sense in my head but I've seen more convoluted connections between powers in some anime.>As for the antagonist himself, I thought he was neat. Nothing crazy,Well, actually I'm very glad he worked at all, I was worried he would come off as boring.>so if politics and ideology are going to be a recurring theme in UTN and its characters, that sounds pretty cool, count me the fuck in.I don't think it will be that recurring beyond Luzma and Six Eyes, but I guess there will be some of that in Naranja.>I liked the details about some of the villain's attacks on Luzma also doing damage to him, on account of her being made of fire, that's another thing that feels "logical yet cool"Sometimes I felt like I wasn't doing enough with Luzma's unique anatomy, I still think I could have done more, but you could say the same thing for every element in this story.
>>4022883>>4022298>I think this story was pretty good, even if I may have been a bit more verbose about the negatives than the positivesAnd I appreciate a lot how you pointed out all the negatives, if it were all positive feedback then I wouldn't now what to fix.>but I also really appreciated how you weren't afraid to let Luzma get beaten up over the course of the fight, to the point of her dodging an attack that *would* have finished her offShowing the characters taking damage is important to keep the tension going and to show progress, that's kind of the point of the two fights, Luzma dominates the generic enemies and leaves the fight without a single scratch on her body, the progress in that fight is measured by how many enemies are still left, this later leads to her getting overconfident and having serious troubles against someone who's below her level, now progress is measured by the damage she takes.>So, the action was good too, is what I'm saying, even if that spatial reasoning problem I mentioned earlier can still muddy things a bit here and there.I wasn't really confident on what reception the fights would have, I already said I thought of making them shorter but its good to hear that they managed to be entertaining.>Overall, good stuff, and I'm very glad to see you got this done, even if it has its weakspots here and there, these weaknesses will fade as you proceed.I don't know how many stories like these I will post in these threads, this did take me a comically long amount of time to make, but you know what? shortly after finishing the story I didn't feel *that* many doubts when I tried to write dialogue for a scene in UTN, so at the very least I can say that despite all the issues and all the pain (in the literal sense) I felt writing this story, it did have a positive impact.Thanks again for taking your time writing these posts, I will try to keep this in mind once I go back to writing scenes and dialogue for Naranja.
Alright, that was the last of them, I hope the walls of text didn't ruin the flow of the other conversations going on in the thread
>>4022879>Huh, you know, I don't like bringing up I'm ESL as an excuse, but I didn't know that, in Spanish, both "Solitude" and "Loneliness" are translated as "Soledad", another reason why I need and editor, anyway, still my fault, Solitude fits better with the more flowery vocabulary Luzma tries to use.Honestly, I don't really blame you for that.Being ESL isn't that big of a deal to me, you speak one more language than I do, so the occasional word mixup isn't the end of the world, and I think the general idea got across even if it was conveyed slightly oddly.
>>4022885Eh, it was nothing special, don't worry about it.Oh, while you're here, any input on that question I asked about the general state of Bedo's living area, up here (>>4022793)?
>>4022885Just wondering, is the Luzma story related to anything? It was just posted somewhat out of the blue, did you want to flesh out Luzma lore or something.
>>4022882Well I'm a shut in neet, but being an unemployed person on a wednesday, I can and have decided one day on a whim to go explore the abandoned cabin I saw in the woods. I didn't find anything but a bottle of perfume and and some old newspapers, but in the DR world that would've been the perfect place to find a dark world.Maybe Bedo got bored of whatever vidya she had and decided to get up to some unemployed activities one day.
>>4022876>Well, if you need any aid, I'd be happy to offer whatever I could, since I can definitely spot at least basic to moderate stuff.Well, I'd gladly accept your help, do you have a Gamejolt account? It will probably take a long while before I ask you to do anything but it will be cool to have your contact.>I understand completely, showing off something you've put a lot of time and effort into can be nerve-wracking, but it's something you work past eventually.I think I've worked past already, if I were to see another review of the story it wouldn't feel as daunting.>Just have to brave, eh?Yeah, fuck it we ball, that's how this project started in the first place.>>4022793>>4022887>This is mostly just out of curiosity, but I'm curious about how well she cleans her room and house and whatnot, like if she's prone to leaving soda cans or dirty laundry around or something.Her room is pretty messy, yeah, the rest of the house not so much, I guess from time to time she cleans it a little, maybe clean enough for her to move like a slug without problems.>SpoilerNah, I only felt some mild existential dread when I saw the amount of replies I got, but I already got over it, I'm glad you made those posts>sorry if it was. I actually had like one more thing to say about it, but I figured I'd said enough for the time and that adding another reply probably wasn't for the best.I would have read that additional reply anyway, getting feedback was one of the main reasons for writing that story.>>4022888>Just wondering, is the Luzma story related to anything? It was just posted somewhat out of the blue, did you want to flesh out Luzma lore or something.I've been teasing that story for a while now, I made it as a practice to improve my writing since I felt that was pretty lacking, I chose Luzma because she seems to be popular and because her character makes for an easy protagonist to write about, it did also serve to flesh out her character a bit more too.
>>4022874>His name is just Azupay (Azucar + Supay, did I mention I struggle coming up with names?), I guess I didn't repeat it enough times.Ah, no, that one's my fault. I thought Azupay was the name for the guys species, since his kid was referred to as a "little Azupay" at one point, so I got confused there, that's on me.>spoilerThat got clearer as the story progressed, I just think at first it was a little unclear what we were meant to think of him, but maybe that works to the story's advantage if the reader gets caught off guard by his actual strength, kinda like how Luzma did.>Ah, fuck, this was actually my main concern, well, better luck next time, dialogue once again proves to be the bane of my existence.You're getting better at it, a lot of the dialogue here was decent.
>>4022892I'm gonna assume you meant to reply to the post below me.
>>4022892You hit the wrong post there at the start.>Well, I'd gladly accept your help, do you have a Gamejolt account? It will probably take a long while before I ask you to do anything but it will be cool to have your contact.I can try and set one up, sure.I might not be online on it as frequently as I am esix or twitter, but I can try and monitor it every so often.>I think I've worked past already, if I were to see another review of the story it wouldn't feel as daunting.Good, I'm glad. I remember I had to work up some nerve when I read that one anon's review posts of that Ceroba/Anon story I wrote a while back, so I think this might be something every person who writes goes through.>Yeah, fuck it we ball, that's how this project started in the first place.Glad to see you sticking with it then.>Her room is pretty messy, yeah, the rest of the house not so much, I guess from time to time she cleans it a little, maybe clean enough for her to move like a slug without problems.Ah, cleaning just enough for things to be functional for her, that sounds about right.I wonder if she'd appreciate someone helping her to clean up more, or if she's grown attached to some of her garbage. Hm.>Nah, I only felt some mild existential dread when I saw the amount of replies I got, but I already got over it, I'm glad you made those postsWell, I'm glad my posts helped.>I would have read that additional reply anyway, getting feedback was one of the main reasons for writing that story.Alright, I'll try and make a post to say what I would've said last night, though I fear my comparison may be a bit niche and specific here, I hope the point gets across. Give me a sec.
>>4022686Man thanks god Toby makes references to LoTR instead of dogshit like you mentioned. all of that garbage is written dreadfully
>>4022901>instead ofI'm sorry to say anon, but he references that stuff too.
>>4022869>and in the end it was the right choiceI'm really glad to hear you've come to that conclusion. The first steps forward with anything are generally the worst, but it's invaluable what you gain from it.>somehow I forgot to include gaming elements in a UT fight of all things.a lot of people don't even bother trying to add them at all honestly from what I've seen.> I was thinking really hard about cutting down the lenght of the second fight,I think if it was going to be cut down, it would only need to be slightly. The story could have used being broken into 2 chapters, but the fight itself didn't feel like "oh god this is taking forever.">I'm used to only typing for casual conversations and suchyeah that one fucks me up too. My punctuation usually improves a lot on second drafts (when I bother with them) not just because it's a second read through, but because I speak the lines out loud to decide if I like the pause I'm giving.>>4022870>That was one of my worries, I was wondering if the pacing for the fight and the story in general was too fast or if the prose wasn't detailed enough for the reader to picture what was going on.the story as a whole "made sense" which was good, but action itself is something most people claim is the hardest part to get right, so don't feel too bad about that.>I was almost certain the fight in the OOB would be confusing, maybe that was a bit beyond my level, but I wanted to give it a try.it was a little, but mostly I think that lended itself to the almost "alien nature" of an out of bounds area. You did a good job not winking and nudging at the audience about "ehh? out of bounds like a video game? get it?" and just had Luzma treat things as she perceived them, which helps the audience relate to even dizzying and confusing concepts
>>4022892>Well, I'd gladly accept your help, do you have a Gamejolt account? It will probably take a long while before I ask you to do anything but it will be cool to have your contact.Alright, I have one now.Following you now, too.If you ever have need for me, shout.
>>4022870cont.>I honestly thought the fight wasn't as strategic as it could have been, but that might be just me overthinking it, anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed it.you can techincally make a fight an actual 10d chess hyper complicated thing to read through, but if you aren't doing it perfectly, you'll lose the reader REAL fast. Focusing on the motions of the characters, what they intend to do, what they are caught off guard by and things like that will preserve the feeling of the fight while making it feel "tactical." You could have turned the dial up or down a little bit and it work in a sense of "seasoning to taste", but as long as you work on making the action clearer and clearer, I think you struck a good balance.>That was an angle I should have played a bit more, the point is that she was being too confident while still not adapting to her new "working conditions", of course she would never admit it so clearly.at the very least I had a feeling that was what was going on, I just wasn't totally confident that was intended, or if it was more to show that she actually did work better this way. by the end of the story I had enough context clues though to know.>This is exactly one of the reasons why I said I need an editor, it bothers me knowing that with a slight change something could have been better. you'll get better at that as time goes by, but I'd be glad to help with that at least to the best of my ability. I'm sure there are better people for the job, but I'd be glad to help however I can.Just try to phrase editing as being something that's not a failing to have for your own sake. Dry anon has people send him the errors and mistakes in his own writing, and like I said before, even famous authors benefit a lot from having someone read after them.
>>4022905i have never discovered any steven universe slop or the rest of that shit. so if theres anything inside is subtle enough that i dont care. but Gerson being a lotr reference was something I caught immediately because the character has a strong vibe of the book. like he was a character from the series.
>>4022910>i have never discovered any steven universe slop or the rest of that shit.NTA, but as someone who watched that show as a kid, it had some cool sci-fi worldbuilding concepts before it nosedived into being exclusively about being gay and crying all the time.And that is as far as I will speak about it when it comes to positives because you're right, it's shit.
>>4022873>the replies to the story already lost their threatening aura.glad to hear that, and I know how you feel. I feel nauseous sometimes when I'm awaiting feedback, even with how much I embrace constructive criticism. There's still a certain amount of "fuuuuuuuck.">Feel free to do so if you wantI'll start a re-read and write some notes along side it, though I doubt I'll be able to finish that tonight if that's all well with you.>If you do want to become Naranja's "Editor", the offers in the air.I'd be glad to, though it sounds like the other anon is offering his services as well. If nothing else I'm glad to offer my perspective on anything you write as I improve my own writing along the way. Just try to focus on learning what your "voice" as an author is even when adapting to feedback and critique. Not every piece of feedback is law etched in stone that needs to override the feeling you are going for if you feel that it's doing that.>And that's what I was thinking while writing "All In A Day's Work" (The Luzma story) I hope it doesn't give you a new wave of anxiety having it added to the librarby next time I get in there >I was thinking of doing just that, I actually wanted to write a shorter story focused on Zaer, but that would contain some spoilers and since we are so """""close""""" to the release of the first area demo, I'd rather wait untilmy advice, aside from avoiding spoilers that you aren't ready to reveal yet, is to just give it a swing and not treat ideas as sacred. "ideas are cheap", even if you feel you could do an idea better justice down the line when you get better, don't let it stop you from just writing it now and rewriting it later when you feel more confident.So when you have an idea that doesn't feel like important spoilers, just sling it onto the page as the dark spirit comes and goes. You'll find yourself just getting better at all of these various things as you go.
>>4022911>NTA, but as someone who watched that show as a kid, it had some cool sci-fi worldbuilding concepts before it nosedived into being exclusively about being gay and crying all the time.I remember thinking something similar about technicolor horse show back when it was popular outside its target demographic. It had some cool fantasy stuff going on when it wasn't doing juvenile little girl show things. I'm glad things like Undertale exist so we can get that kind sincere and funny but also still cool fantasy setting without needing to be tied to children's television ratings.
>>4022885not only is it on topic fic discussion, but it's related to fangame feedback as well. you're good and I'm down to continue the other ongoing discussion while talking about this
>>4022889>I can and have decided one day on a whim to go explore the abandoned cabin I saw in the woods.I'm jealous that you have landscape like that nearby. it's just flat lands and dead grass here. That sounds more like where my dad grew up that had a cabin by a river. the kind of scenery that probably inspires writing.>>4022876>only for it to be this pinball machine darkner insteadhonestly I like that idea>and he wants to be defeated in a fair contest, just once, before he retires.however you can unlock the dreaded "tilt" route and send him into a roaring rage(tm)
>>4022912>I'd be glad to, though it sounds like the other anon is offering his services as well.Other anon here, you're probably much more well suited to the role than I am, frankly.I'd always like to help if I could, but if there's someone better available, there's no need for me to get in the way then.
>>4022917>I'd always like to help if I could, but if there's someone better available, there's no need for me to get in the way then.we will swarm him as a torrent of editors, the sky will darken with feedback and suggestions.Well, maybe not quite so dramatic.
>>4022916>That sounds more like where my dad grew up that had a cabin by a river. the kind of scenery that probably inspires writing.The scenery isn't that pretty. Its mostly hills, cow pastures, and trailers. And lots of kudzu. We have a creek nearby, but its shallow, foamy, and has trash in it. I remember finding a whole washing machine buried in the mud there once. The woods are nice though, even if most of them are private property.
>>4022922>The scenery isn't that pretty. Its mostly hills, cow pastures, and trailersyou gotta understand that here in texas it's all flat lands planted with trees that aren't built for surviving this weather so the landscape get's outright depressing at times.it's a little off topic but this video is a good peek into the horrorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-83-YPYSKAThere's a few good areas but I try to imagine some of the nicer landscapes away from the major cities when I think of "what is life like on the surface for the monsters, what sights would they be met with?"> We have a creek nearby, but its shallow, foamy, and has trash in it. I remember finding a whole washing machine buried in the mud there oncethat's a damn shame though, Wiki would surely be displeased.>The woods are nice though, even if most of them are private property.sadly most of the good places around here are private as well. I wonder how monsters would feel about being told "you can't go there" when in the underground even asgores kitchen wasn't off limits.
>>4022899>You hit the wrong post there at the start.Ah fuck, you're right.>I might not be online on it as frequently as I am esix or twitter, but I can try and monitor it every so often.like I said, it might take a long while before I ask for your help. But thanks nonetheless, I don't know if any other anon wants to help with that role.>That got clearer as the story progressed, I just think at first it was a little unclear what we were meant to think of him, but maybe that works to the story's advantage if the reader gets caught off guard by his actual strength, kinda like how Luzma did.Maybe, but the point was to show him as being delusion which is why Luzma doesn't take him seriously at first.>You're getting better at it, a lot of the dialogue here was decent.Well I hope that was the case, otherwise this entire story would have "failed" its main goal.>I remember I had to work up some nerve when I read that one anon's review posts of that Ceroba/Anon story I wrote a while back, so I think this might be something every person who writes goes through.The last time I felt like this was when I posted the Naranja demo, it took me a while before I could read the first criticisms.>I wonder if she'd appreciate someone helping her to clean up more, or if she's grown attached to some of her garbage.I don't think she's the kind of person who develops attachments to inanimate objects, but there's another character who's like that.>I fear my comparison may be a bit niche and specific here, I hope the point gets across. Give me a sec.Understood.
>>4022906>a lot of people don't even bother trying to add them at all honestly from what I've seen.Which is a shame, I can understand ignoring turns since that makes the battles less dynamic, but I think things like the HP points help to remind you that this is Undertale.>I think if it was going to be cut down, it would only need to be slightly. The story could have used being broken into 2 chapters, but the fight itself didn't feel like "oh god this is taking forever."It did feel like "taking forever" but that might be because I was the one writing it, from a reader's perspective the fight only lasted a few minutes, but for me it was days.>yeah that one fucks me up too. My punctuation usually improves a lot on second drafts (when I bother with them) not just because it's a second read through, but because I speak the lines out loud to decide if I like the pause I'm giving.I've heard about that reading a out loud "hack", but for some reason I didn't apply it to this story.>the story as a whole "made sense" which was good, but action itself is something most people claim is the hardest part to get right, so don't feel too bad about that.Actually, for me the easiest part was writing the action, it was still difficult, but nothing compared to writing dialogue.>it was a little, but mostly I think that lended itself to the almost "alien nature" of an out of bounds area.I could have included more descriptions to make the entire thing feel even more alien.>You did a good job not winking and nudging at the audience about "ehh? out of bounds like a video game? get it?" and just had Luzma treat things as she perceived them, which helps the audience relate to even dizzying and confusing conceptsGod, that sounds horrible, the thought didn't even cross my mind, whenever I bring up game mechanics in UTN I try to make them seem as if they were common knowledge, to them an OOB area is an unique environmental hazard not a literal game mechanic.
>>4022909>you can techincally make a fight an actual 10d chess hyper complicated thing to read through, but if you aren't doing it perfectly, you'll lose the reader REAL fast.I mean, I didn't want to turn this into some super complex battle of wits or anything, I know my limits and that doesn't seem fitting for this kind of story, but I thought that I could have been more creative with the type of powers used by the two fighters.>at the very least I had a feeling that was what was going on, I just wasn't totally confident that was intended, or if it was more to show that she actually did work better this way. by the end of the story I had enough context clues though to know.At least you got the intention in the end, even if it was confusing at first.>you'll get better at that as time goes by, but I'd be glad to help with that at least to the best of my ability. I'm sure there are better people for the job, but I'd be glad to help however I can.Hey, I'm glad to have someone who can help me, I'm still open for other anons if you think they would be more fitting for the job, keep in mind that by being an editor you'll get spoiled of a lot of stuff.>Just try to phrase editing as being something that's not a failing to have for your own sake. Dry anon has people send him the errors and mistakes in his own writing, and like I said before, even famous authors benefit a lot from having someone read after them.I don't see it as an absolute failure on my part, but it would be better if those things were sorted before making the story public, I actually had an anon helping me to fix the writing in the gameplay demo after I released it, there were tons of grammar mistakes. I wonder if he's still in these threads.I know authors tend to have editors, that's how the job goes, I don't dislike the idea of working with someone else, its just that it would be a change of flow.
>>4022912>I feel nauseous sometimes when I'm awaiting feedback, even with how much I embrace constructive criticism. There's still a certain amount of "fuuuuuuuck."I guess that feeling never goes away fully.>I'll start a re-read and write some notes along side it, though I doubt I'll be able to finish that tonight if that's all well with you.Take as much time as you need, if I'm being honest, I don't know if I'll edit the story again after reading your notes, I'm kinda tired of working on it, but I would greatly appreciate any insight your notes could give me.>I'd be glad to, though it sounds like the other anon is offering his services as well.You can still share your Gamejolt account, like I said to the other anon, it might take a while before I ask for your help.>Just try to focus on learning what your "voice" as an author is even when adapting to feedback and critique. Not every piece of feedback is law etched in stone that needs to override the feeling you are going for if you feel that it's doing that.I know, not all feedback should be followed, I have my own idea on how the story should go.>I hope it doesn't give you a new wave of anxiety having it added to the librarby next time I get in thereNah don't worry about it, I'm already over that feeling, I actually mentioned the story by name because I knew it would need a title for the librarby.>my advice, aside from avoiding spoilers that you aren't ready to reveal yet, is to just give it a swing and not treat ideas as sacred. "ideas are cheap"Ideas are cheap and all of that, but the point of that story is to publish it to receive more feedback, I have some bite sized stories I haven't posted because they include spoilers.>So when you have an idea that doesn't feel like important spoilersWe'll have to wait until the dark spirit shows up again, in the meantime I *might* write some greentexts for the weekend thread.
>>4022927>"what is life like on the surface for the monsters, what sights would they be met with?"Imagine monsters getting to the surface, finding the new age hell of modern suburbia, and thinking "the underground was better than this">Wiki would surely be displeased.She'd probably be more mad at our lazy neighbors who just clearcut sections of forest to sell for lumber because they can't be bothered to run their farm properly to keep it above water. I remember they clear cut the forest next to our house to turn into a tree farm, but then because they were lazy, they didn't do any forestry at all, and it got overran with weeds, bushes, and kudzu, and none of the trees were the right shape for lumber. They even ran over our fence while doing it and we had to fix it.Its a shame you haven't watched LOTR, because it has a pretty analog for how I think she'd react to such things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzugQBkUrZk>. I wonder how monsters would feel about being told "you can't go there" Some, like Wiki, would be depressed by it. Some, like Quetzali, might get the wrong idea and take it as a challenge. Most would probably be too enamored by the idea of living on the surface and there being enough land for it to be parceled up like this to think about it.
>>4022934Alright, bear with me on this.You ever play the Deus Ex mod Redsun 2020?It's an interesting mod with a story set in the universe of the original game, seemingly as a prequel, though it doesn't have too many direct connections to the original game either.The gameplay is mostly fine, it's your standard DX gameplay aside from some odd level design here and there, but what makes it relevant is the story.The mod has some genuinely really great ideas that fit perfectly within DX's world, a civil war in Japan spurred on by wavering trust in the government turning civilians over to increasingly powerful criminal elements, UNATCO defectors that seek to gain power for themselves in an increasingly unstable world with a collapsing world order, etc, the mod had some ideas that genuinely struck me as being genius for the world they were trying to fit into. But they didn't go all the way.Redsun 2020, or more accurately, its writers, seemed to have an unshakeable lack of confidence in their writing. The mod would constantly back down on ideas so you wouldn't take it *too* seriously, it would inject things that were completely ridiculous and out of place, like underground lava cities and kaiju, and the way these things were done felt almost like deliberate self-sabotage. Hell, the mod even opens up with a disclaimer about how bad it is, it feels like the people making it were doing everything they could just to apologize for the mods own existence, but looking at a lot of what they wrote, I legitimately can't tell why they had such little faith in themselves.
>>4022934>>4022943My point with all this is, I think you should be a bit more confident in your writing. I think you have a lot of great ideas, and even good executions, but you seemed really apprehensive when you posted that story last night, even though it was mostly pretty good, with just technical issues being the main issues it had. I'm not worried UTN will turn out like Redsun 2020, but I think it's a decent example to learn from when it comes to having more faith in your own abilities as a writer.That's not to say you should just have complete blind faith in yourself, some amount of self-doubt is necessary to keep yourself grounded, but I think you could afford to feel a little better about what you make, since it's clearly better than you necessarily seem to be giving yourself credit for.
>>4022934>like I said, it might take a long while before I ask for your help. But thanks nonetheless, I don't know if any other anon wants to help with that role.Well, there is the other anon, and he seems a whole lot better for the job than me, but if there's ever anything I can do for you, I'll be happy to help however I can.>Maybe, but the point was to show him as being delusion which is why Luzma doesn't take him seriously at first.Hm, I see. In that case, I think it mostly works, since I was caught between whether I was supposed to take the guy at his word, or think he's utterly full of it, so I think it somewhat panned out the way you intended.>Well I hope that was the case, otherwise this entire story would have "failed" its main goal.Well, I don't think it failed.>The last time I felt like this was when I posted the Naranja demo, it took me a while before I could read the first criticisms.Ah, I think I remember that. Sorry it took so long for me to get around to it when I did, and I hope I wasn't too hard on it around then either.>I don't think she's the kind of person who develops attachments to inanimate objects, but there's another character who's like that.Oh, good, so that's not too much of an issue then, if she wouldn't put up a fight about throwing away some random piece of garbage.
>>4022935>Which is a shame, I can understand ignoring turns since that makes the battles less dynamic, but I think things like the HP points help to remind you that this is Undertale.I assume a lot of people just figure you "can't work it in without it feeling awkward", but with a little practice you can pace it alongside the fighting and avoid those speedbumps so to speak. I don't know if you read partners, but he frequently goes very heavy in using the battle system in fights and it's some of the smoothest action in fics in my opinion. If you want to use mechanics in fights then you just have to keep using them pretty much.>It did feel like "taking forever" but that might be because I was the one writing it, from a reader's perspectiveone of the problems might be that as I mentioned before, I think the story should have been broken into two chapters, one chapter for everything up until they left the building, and one chapter for that. As it stands it feels like everything kind of starts to pile on eachother into a much longer total sequence, despite there being an actual pause when she stopped and talked to the kid.>I've heard about that reading a out loud "hack", but for some reason I didn't apply it to this story.even as one of the biggest proponents of that trick, I still get lazy and don't do it sometimes. it's just one of those things you have to make yourself do, and it's best served (again in my opinion) for when you're proofreading your work so that you don't stop every 2 lines to redo something.>Actually, for me the easiest part was writing the action, it was still difficult, but nothing compared to writing dialogue.ah, then I think we can relate on that one. I'm practicing my dialogue a lot, but it's definitely the thing that I have to stop on the most often.>I could have included more descriptions to make the entire thing feel even more alien.and you can always take a crack at that again the next time you try writing them.
>>4022935>God, that sounds horrible, the thought didn't even cross my mind,thank god. I feel like those mechanical things are best done when the characters treat them as another facet of the world rather than "woah guys, is THAT and UNDERSTALE reference?">>4022936>but I thought that I could have been more creative with the type of powers used by the two fighters.ah fair enough, you'll want to practice the sense of "movement" with the characters so that the different attacks feel like they are actually doing things to the characters. Powerful words that help like "arc, twisting, flipping" and all those nice action movement words. I saw you mentioning about how she was trying to launch him during the fight calling back to the previous fight, so it's at least coming through what her intentions are.>Hey, I'm glad to have someone who can help me, I'm still open for other anons if you think they would be more fitting for the job, keep in mind that by being an editor you'll get spoiled of a lot of stuff.I'd be glad to, it would still be exciting seeing the bits of the world that would be spoiled if I was helping in some way in the process.>but it would be better if those things were sorted before making the story publicAh that's understandable, but at least here among the anons it's still something of a feedback zone.>I don't dislike the idea of working with someone else, its just that it would be a change of flow.fair as well, but glad to hear you've got a good mindset about it.
>>4022937>I guess that feeling never goes away fully.probably not, but it does get easier at least. > don't know if I'll edit the story again after reading your notes, I'm kinda tired of working on it, what I'll probably do then is pick out a number of examples of things that could be changed to smooth out what you're trying to say so that you have it as a reference point for the next thing you try to write, and it's been said to other write anons in these threads, but no one expects you to perfectly apply every bit of advice the next time you write.>You can still share your Gamejolt account, like I said to the other anon, it might take a while before I ask for your help.sounds good, the account is "teuthsolvent". I don't know if I'm supposed to send you a link of some sort >I know, not all feedback should be followed, I have my own idea on how the story should go.good to hear>Nah don't worry about it, I'm already over that feeling, I actually mentioned the story by name because I knew it would need a title for the librarby.Also good to hear, and thank you. >We'll have to wait until the dark spirit shows up again, in the meantime I *might* write some greentexts for the weekend thread.nice! I look forward to it.
>>4022939>Imagine monsters getting to the surface, finding the new age hell of modern suburbia, and thinking "the underground was better than this"honestly terrifying. I'm putting a story idea for an Anon x wiki thing in my back pocket for later about him cheering her up from that hellish experience.>She'd probably be more mad at our lazy neighbors who just clearcut sections of forest to sell for lumber because they can't be bothered to run their farm properly to keep it above water. honestly wondering if she'd be mad to the point of grinding her teeth and barely keeping her seething "dignified".>I remember they clear cut the forest next to our house to turn into a tree farm, but then because they were lazy, they didn't do any forestry at all, and it got overran with weeds, bushes, and kudzu, and none of the trees were the right shape for lumber. They even ran over our fence while doing it and we had to fix it.thanks I hate it. a lot>Its a shame you haven't watched LOTR, because it has a pretty analog for how I think she'd react to such thingsI'm actually one of the few who had watched it, I grew up with it and all of the cheesy videos people made around it at the time.>the videohonestly wondering if she'd have an anger much like treebeards. Maybe she'd be silently crying while watching the movie there.>Some, like Quetzali, might get the wrong idea and take it as a challengefuck that's a funny thought. I imagine her getting stuck in fences for off limits areas thinking she had to move just right to get through because "off limits" and "out of bounds" are similar right?
>>4022956>Maybe she'd be silently crying while watching the movie thereI think Lord of The Rings would actually bring her to tears. That trilogy seems like its perfectly tailored to resonate with (hmm, its almost like she was directly inspired by it)As for what she'd do if she were *in* that scenario. She may be a tender hearted girl, but she's very capable of violence when sufficiently motivated.
>>4022958>As for what she'd do if she were *in* that scenario. She may be a tender hearted girl, but she's very capable of violence when sufficiently motivatedYeah I can believe that, I could see someone like thay being fierce for war in a different way from how she had to be when it came to the human monster war.>I think Lord of The Rings would actually bring her to tears. That trilogy seems like its perfectly tailored to resonate with (hmm, its almost like she was directly inspired by it) I wonder what lies the one ring would whisper to her
>defeat macrofroggit in lv 1 after multiple attempts>die to a jandroid right after>go back to before macrofroggit because there was no savepoint in the wayalways a janitor to ruin everything huh
>>4022976I "love" the way that image makes me feel terrible.>defeat macrofroggit in lv 1 after multiple attemptsI actually haven't fought macrofroggit yet, I missed it on my first playthrough.
>>4022978It's a really cool extra boss
>>4022976Maybe you should clean up your act
>>4022984I'll make sure to plan for fighting it next time I play. Still hoping to hear about a release or update date for SoJ soon(?)
>>4022227>one of those duendes that generated spontaneously whenever there was a mob boss nearbyThat's really funny, you really should keep writing just so you can make more gems like this. All you need is editing for grammar.Also loving how every time Luzma refers to herself, its with a different title.I feel like you could've explained Azupay a bit earlier. Still, the idea of describing him purely through his actions is a pretty good one and the way you executed it works well enough. I am curious if he's based on anything in particular>A poor imitation of Mr SunshinThat's interesting. Is this going to be relevant to the game, or just a nodKehehe sounds a bit dainty for Luzma. That's how Muffet laughsThe fight pacing in this is really good. I had a really easy time telling what's going on. Basically the only issue I had was the use of ceiling when describing the top of the field of sugarcane. Felt like a real shonen battle.I hope we hear more from Azupay's kid.
>>4022280I gotta disagree, I liked the attack names and the constant mentions of sugar. I think it gives the villain's dialogue flavor.
>>4023007Yes, very funny.
>>4022290>but he strikes me as a very NSF kind of guy,He seems to me more like he's larping as that while really he's just an unstable egomaniac. Like his time in the guard (if he ever was in the guard) knocked a few screws loose, but his sweet talking makes him sound like he's got more to say than he actually does.
I've made some decent progress on the lineart for the Bedo image. Ideally I'll have that mostly rounded off tonight, at the potential expense of my sleep schedule, but whatever.Wanna get this done soon, got other ideas I wanna get to real bad.
>>4023012>at the potential expense of my sleep scheduleDon't destroy your sleep too terribly even if you're excited to get through this. Only destroy it partially.
>>4023018How destroyed is it if I go from waking up at noon to waking up at around 4:00 pm?
>>4022883nta, but the caramellized sugar made perfect sense to me. Especially considering its probably imbued with magic, which is going to change its properties.>Six EyesDid you name a character after Gojo's technique?Also, I like Azupay. I read him sorta like a more hands on version of Sinclair from Bioshock 2, high southern confidence man with no conscience who'll do all sorts of terrible things for a to get ahead. Only this guy seems to have a few screws loose and have some higher aspirations than just money. Kinda wish I could've seen more of his manipulation tactics.
>>4023020oh my, quite destroyed.
>>4023021>nta, but the caramellized sugar made perfect sense to me. Especially considering its probably imbued with magic, which is going to change its properties.My issue wasn't with the sugar itself, I just didn't get the connection with the caramelized sugar and the dog monster, which didn't make much sense to me until I saw his explanation for it there.
>>4023024It's probably fine.One of the benefits of working on a drawing of Bedo like this is that no one can hit me with ideas of how she might make me adhere to a proper sleep schedule, unlike my other scrimblos, since there is no way in hell she of all people actually has a normal sleep schedule either.
>>4023025The story had already pointed out he was a sugar cane monster in a field full of sugarcane, and gone through the effort of pointing out how all of his attacks were made of sugarcane or sugar. So him saying its caramelized sugar seemed like a logical extension of that.
Naranjanon, do you have any pictures of these Argentine hell hounds? I'd like to have a better idea of how Ajupay looks. Failing that, maybe just a more in depth description or possibly even a sketch
>>4023027Yeah, but it still just seemed odd to me.
>>4022874So what's his deal? Did he get knocked silly in the guard? Is it the monster equivalent of Gulf War Syndrome? Human attack related PTSD?>Spanish speaking internet communities, you say someone has a "terrorist take" when their opinion on something is too wrong or delusional, I should have accounted for that, it does look like a Deus Ex reference.I guess it still kinda works then, if only because the Deux Ex guy was also a terrorist making a bunch of really out there claims, though everything he said was true.
>>4023031>>4022878>I guess it still kinda works then, if only because the Deux Ex guy was also a terrorist making a bunch of really out there claims, though everything he said was true.As the anon who brought up the Deus Ex point, I think that might just have been from the combination of the guy starting to talk politically and also using the like "Now that's terror" specifically that made it accidentally bump into being a Deus Ex reference. I think most other people probably wouldn't think of that, since I doubt most people who would potentially play UTN or read this have played Deus Ex to the point where lines like that have stuck with them.It does make me think of Luzma saying "You're gonna burn, alright" to someone as a one-liner somehow though.
>>4023032Nta but I thought it was a reference as well at the time.Though the little snippet about spanish online communities calling eachother terrorists is fantastic news to me.I want to call people terrorists for having bad opinions.
>>4023036That is a very fun fact to know about now, true.
>>4023031>>4022874On second thought, don't answer this. I prefer imagining an answer.
>>4023031>the Deux Ex guy was also a terrorist making a bunch of really out there claims, though everything he said was true.Technically speaking the game doesn't allow us to fact check his claims on corporate and individual tax rates when it comes to the exact numbers he was talking about, so that remains unverified.He's probably still right though, yeah.
I don't even have an idea I want to draw of him right now, but Reynault is once again occupying my brain now.That talk of foxes being possessive towards their lovers has inflicted me with the idea of him saying random nonsense to prevent me from getting out of bed before him so we can cuddle more, like that he'll freeze to death in my absence without me there to warm him, or acting obviously fake sad at the idea of me not wanting to stay in bed with him, whatever absurdities he can conjure to make me lay back down with him for just a while longer.God, that damned, stupid, ridiculous, charming, handsome, lovely fox...
Should DRN include platforming like regular Naranja, like in chapter 5, or not include it at all?
>>4023172It should have beat em up sections in chapter 5 instead
>>4023172it should have platforming in the light world too, it works exactly like it does in UTN, the platforming in the dark worlds should be crazier and include things like a Dustforce style wall/ceil running, double jumps, air dashes, grappling hooks, etc
>>4023195I don't think you understood the question>>4023203Hmm... Interesting, but how would you go about switching to platforming mode in LW?
>>4023207>Hmm... Interesting, but how would you go about switching to platforming mode in LW?Its just like in UTN, some rooms are in 2D perspective while others are top down, we talked about Delta Quetzali being into urban exploration, so maybe all LW platforming sections are about that
>>4023243>if you fall in the LW you get a game over screen
Quetzali asking to scratch her because she doesn't have arms in her snake form...
>>4023310don't you have some monsters to be beating up val
>>4023346He is currently stuck in a hyperbolic time chamber (forma de jar)
>>4022943>>4022944I see, I tend to struggle when it comes to feeling pride from my creations, but I would never reach the point of putting a warning on the game itself, I was being pessimistic with that post since I've never tried fanfiction before, when I published the demo here I said I wouldn't comment on the game's quality because I didn't want to influence anyone's opinion.That part of making sure people don't take it too seriously also sounds like irony poisoning, but not the usual kind where the writing is being self conscious and snarky, that's something I try to avoid since it doesn't fit with Undertale at all.>That's not to say you should just have complete blind faith in yourself,I don't want to become someone with his head stuck in his own ass either, I should feel more confident but always be open to criticism.Thanks for the additional posts.
>>4022946>but if there's ever anything I can do for you, I'll be happy to help however I can.I won't say no to an extra pair of eyes.>In that case, I think it mostly works, since I was caught between whether I was supposed to take the guy at his word, or think he's utterly full of it, so I think it somewhat panned out the way you intended.His delusion is meant to be a parallel to Luzma's overconfidence, he's not literally insane, but he borders on it with how much he oversells his skills.>Ah, I think I remember that. Sorry it took so long for me to get around to it when I did, and I hope I wasn't too hard on it around then either.No need to apologize for that, and I did take note of your criticism, I no longer feel nervous whenever someone makes a list of things that could be improved on UTN.
>>4022950>I don't know if you read partners, but he frequently goes very heavy in using the battle system in fights and it's some of the smoothest action in fics in my opinion. If you want to use mechanics in fights then you just have to keep using them pretty much.I didn't read Partners, maybe I should if it describes battle scenes like that.>one of the problems might be that as I mentioned before, I think the story should have been broken into two chaptersI did think the story could have been divided in two parts, originally I thought the story would be like 5 or 6k words long, which is why I was against the idea of diving it.>even as one of the biggest proponents of that trick, I still get lazy and don't do it sometimes. it's just one of those things you have to make yourself do, and it's best served (again in my opinion) for when you're proofreading your work so that you don't stop every 2 lines to redo something.I got pretty lazy at the end and I didn't give the story one final reread after fixing some missing punctuation, I wasn't sure if I could change that many things tho.>ah, then I think we can relate on that one. I'm practicing my dialogue a lot, but it's definitely the thing that I have to stop on the most often.I should write some dialogue heavy greentexts, at the very least I can say writing dialogue is slightly easier than when I first started.>and you can always take a crack at that again the next time you try writing them.Yeah, there's a lot of potential for unique descriptions when describing something exclusive to videogame from the perspective of the characters experiencing it.
>>4022951>ah fair enough, you'll want to practice the sense of "movement" with the characters so that the different attacks feel like they are actually doing things to the characters. Powerful words that help like "arc, twisting, flipping" and all those nice action movement words.I need to expand my vocabulary in general, I ended up repeating a lot of words and I think that's one of the main reasons why the prose felt so clunky.>I'd be glad to, it would still be exciting seeing the bits of the world that would be spoiled if I was helping in some way in the process.Alright, I'll keep it in mind.>Ah that's understandable, but at least here among the anons it's still something of a feedback zone.I know, but as anons we all are sort of a mix between fans and devs, so I'd rather have the story without any of those mistakes before publishing it here.
>>4022955>probably not, but it does get easier at least.Yeah, I'm sure the next time I make a fic I won't have these feelings either, at least not as strong as they were the first time.>what I'll probably do then is pick out a number of examples of things that could be changed to smooth out what you're trying to say so that you have it as a reference point for the next thing you try to writeSounds like it will help a lot, thanks for taking your time anon.>and it's been said to other write anons in these threads, but no one expects you to perfectly apply every bit of advice the next time you write.I know, I still try to apply them since I make notes of them, and I reread those notes before writing a new story.>sounds good, the account is "teuthsolvent". I don't know if I'm supposed to send you a link of some sortNoted. I sent the friend request some hours ago when I skimmed over the thread.
>>4022990>That's really funny, you really should keep writing just so you can make more gems like this.You know, I don't actually laugh or find most of my jokes to be funny when I write them, I kind of just gamble and think "this sounds like it could be funny, if I didn't know the punchline from the start">Also loving how every time Luzma refers to herself, its with a different title.I did like writing that running gag, I kind of left it aside near the end tho, should have been more consistent with it.>I feel like you could've explained Azupay a bit earlier.Probably, I wasn't sure how much time I should spend describing characters, or if it would be better to reveal more of them as the story progresses.>he's based on anything in particularI already said it in another post, I guess one thing I forgot to mention about "El Familiar" is that there's multiple of them and its never clear exactly what they are, sometimes they are random hellhounds, other times they are literally Satan himself in dog form, Azupay speaking with a country accent is actually something I got from a book I read a loooong time ago (so long I don't even remember the name of the book), a "Familiar" appears in that story and talks with a very pronounced (Argentinian) country accent.>That's interestingJust a nod, Sunshine exists in Naranja but he's not relevant to the main story, he does have the title of the most dangerous criminal on the Underground, but right now he's no longer a threat to anyone.>Kehehe sounds a bit dainty for Luzma.That's how Gundham Tanaka from Danganronpa 2 laughs, he's an edgelord like Luzma, I wanted to give her a specific laugh and that's the only one I could think of besides "mwahaha"
>>4023371>The fight pacing in this is really good. I had a really easy time telling what's going on.I wasn't sure how to describe vegetation so dense it blocks the view of the ground, so I went with the first thing I could think of. I'm glad all the anons so far found the action to be entertaining.>I hope we hear more from Azupay's kid.Eh, at first I wasn't sure how much I would be referencing this story in UTN, I'll probably add an small nod to him somewhere.>>4023021>>Six Eyes>Did you name a character after Gojo's technique?No, it was just a coincidence, actually when I came up with "Seis Ojos" as a tittle the first thing that came to my mind was that snake from Beastars, then Kokushibo from Kimetsu No Yaiba and only then I realized it could be interpreted as a reference to Gojo, I'm not changing the title even if I know a lot of people will think its a JJK reference.>Also, I like Azupay. I read him sorta like a more hands on version of Sinclair from Bioshock 2, high southern confidence man with no conscience who'll do all sorts of terrible things for a to get ahead. Only this guy seems to have a few screws loose and have some higher aspirations than just money. Kinda wish I could've seen more of his manipulation tactics.Writing manipulation tactics is hard, maybe one day we'll see more of him He could be a mini boss much later on, but no guarantees on that
>>4023029>Naranjanon, do you have any pictures of these Argentine hell hounds? I'd like to have a better idea of how Ajupay looks. Failing that, maybe just a more in depth description or possibly even a sketchThere aren't that many depictions of these creatures, their most common traits is that they are huge dog, with pitch black fur and glowing red eyes, them having sugarcane on their body was something I chose to add to make them more unique, they can only be found near sugarcane plantations or sugar mills. He's from the same species as this generic enemy in the middle >>4014918, Azupay is just much bigger.This was an excuse as good as any other to draw, even if I got too lazy to draw his cowboy hat for the portrait sprites, and I couldn't figure out how to place the sugarcane horns without removing the ears.
>>4023367>I didn't read Partners, maybe I should if it describes battle scenes like that.I definitely reccomend it, and it's not just because of my martlet bias. Partners anon has expressed a fondness for those battle mechanics being worked into the storytelling, sometimes in how it breaks away from them and other times in how much it sticks to it.If nothing else, I think his stuff would be something good to expose yourself to expressly for what you want to accomplish.The most recent battle leaned very heavily on working mechanics into the world naturally.>I wasn't sure if I could change that many things tho.this is also something that's easier when you're working with more medium sized chapters. It's less of a mountain to reclimb when you only have 3-6k words to edit before releasing something, and so the changes that you decide to make also don't feel like this mountain you have to climb.>I should write some dialogue heavy greentextsdefinitely a good idea, greens can help a lot for practicing stuff for longer stories.>at the very least I can say writing dialogue is slightly easier than when I first started.that's great to hear though. >yeah, there's a lot of potential for unique descriptions when describing something exclusive to videogame from the perspective of the characters experiencing it.probably part of why I enjoy when the unique "battle system" is described in fics. you get a chance to describe this absurd thing that anyone in real life would stop and say "what the fuck?" from the perspective of someone who lives and breathes it.
>>4023376Luzma and Shu's offspring...
>>4023378>I definitely reccomend it, and it's not just because of my martlet bias. Partners anon has expressed a fondness for those battle mechanics being worked into the storytellingI think I'll add it to my back log for books then, sounds cool.>this is also something that's easier when you're working with more medium sized chapters. It's less of a mountain to reclimb when you only have 3-6k words to edit before releasing something, and so the changes that you decide to make also don't feel like this mountain you have to climb.I see your point, but even if I had divided it into smaller chapters, I just wasn't feeling like giving the story a third pass, I'll try to not be that lazy with UTN, but for my first fic I didn't feel like it could improve much more.>probably part of why I enjoy when the unique "battle system" is described in fics. you get a chance to describe this absurd thing that anyone in real life would stop and say "what the fuck?" from the perspective of someone who lives and breathes it.Yeah It makes battles more unique, when you think about it, its not that different from when a story has its own power system with its set of rules, I will still omit including turns next time I write a battle in UT, I do think they can make the battles too clunky.
>>4023376huh, I'm starting to notice how many cultures have some variety of mythical black dog with red eyes. My first thought was "Shuck"https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mythology/images/f/fd/Blackshuck1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191114215554
>>4023381>I'll try to not be that lazy with UTN, but for my first fic I didn't feel like it could improve much moreyeah that's completely fair, it's more something to keep in mind as you continue improving down the line. It's also hard to find things to correct before you've learned what to watch out for.>I will still omit including turns next time I write a battle in UT, I do think they can make the battles too clunkyyeah I feel like for every time someone makes turns work well, there's 3 more times that it becomes a bit choppy. Still I've seen them done well so I know it's at least possible.
>>4023364Well, I hope the general idea is still helpful enough.>>4023366>I won't say no to an extra pair of eyes.Should I send a friend request or something on Gamejolt then?>His delusion is meant to be a parallel to Luzma's overconfidence, he's not literally insane, but he borders on it with how much he oversells his skills.Alright, I'd say that works then.>No need to apologize for that, and I did take note of your criticism, I no longer feel nervous whenever someone makes a list of things that could be improved on UTN.Glad to hear that then.
>>4023382There's tons of mythical creatures that overlap among different cultures, finding entirely unique ones is harder than it seems.>>4023386>yeah that's completely fair, it's more something to keep in mind as you continue improving down the line. It's also hard to find things to correct before you've learned what to watch out for.I will keep it in mind, don't worry.>yeah I feel like for every time someone makes turns work well, there's 3 more times that it becomes a bit choppy. Still I've seen them done well so I know it's at least possible.It might work on some instances, but I prefer it when the characters can exchange blows, with turns it basically means that one character must be defending while the other attacks.>>4023387>Should I send a friend request or something on Gamejolt then?I just sent you a friend request.
>>4023391>I just sent you a friend request.And I've just accepted it.
>>4023379Maybe Luzma and Shu shouldn't be together if their offsprings end up being literal demons
>>4023395They are strong though. Shu is building an army to reclaim his rightful throne
>>4023373>spoiler he sounds more like secret boss material to me. Like he's a quest giver at one point in the game and you get manipulated into helping him escape as an optional quest. Either that or he tricks you into going on a quest that involves fighting a really strong secret boss, then is impressed when you actually come back alive, and probably admits that the reward was a lie (though obviously for Val, the fight was the reward Oh, and I completely forgot Sinclair was originally from Panama, and his Southern aristrocrat accent was entirely learned. So I guess that's another similarity.
>>4023397Shu's delusions are getting worse, someone call the doctor. He's now thinking Dogs of all things are his children.
>>4023382dogs' eyes reflect red light in the dark, so a black dog seen skulking around in the dark is going to look scary as hell.
>>4023400Why does Luzma dream of "fiery hounds" then? And I would've thought that trying to overthrow the goverment would be an even crazier thing
>>4023399>spoilerWhile that sounds cool, all my secret bosses are already filled, I could do something like that if I were feeling really inspired, we'll have to wait and see.
>>4023406>all my secret bosses are already filledNaranja has secret bosses???
>>4023397>Shu is building an army to reclaim his rightful throneCan someone tell Shu that wives aren't baby factories?
>>4023411Val can build an army of his snake hybrids but Shu can't?
>>4023407>all my secret bosses spots are already filledYeah, but not like in Deltarune where each chapter has a secret boss, this is closer to something like Macro Froggit from UTY, I got two secret bosses planned and neither of them are meant to be super bosses.
>>4023376I ended up thinking a bunch about this guy last night and ended up picturing him pretty differently. I pictured him being visibly made of sugar cane reeds bundled and twisted together, with the reeds being that dark dark brown color that ripe sugar cane turns (because he's a very old and mature example of his species), while the little Azupay I pictured as being green like a young stalk of sugarcane. I also imagined him wearing a Panama hat because that's a pretty stereotypical South American gangster hat, plus it also fits that classy country act he has. I kinda figured his ears were just the tips of the cane stalks that made up his body, with little leafy chutes poking off of them.I also spent a bit thinking about what his lore might be. I figured the little Azupay wasn't the result of sexual reproduction, but was instead just a single chute from him that had broken off at some point and grew up into its own monster, since that's how sugarcane is usually grown. I also figured that back when he was in the guard, he was the one who talked Gerson into killing the purple soul human, talking him up about how he was like cane sap that'd been kept for too long and turned to molasses, then kept even longer and turned to rum. The time had concentrated him, made him stronger, but he'd reached his peak, and soon he'd waste away until he was nothing by vinegar. I think Gerson took this to heart because he'd been feeling the years begin to catch up to him recently. He probably also respected him (sort of a Gojo and Geto situation, he was the distant second to Gerson and that earned him respect), he tried to convince Gerson to take and use the soul. When Gerson refused, Azupay got mad and tried to take the soul himself, and got his ass kicked. (character limit)
>>4023402>>4023391huh, and you know what now that I think about it, they don't ALWAYS reflect red, so that could contribute more to the spookiness of it.
>>4023413>Val can build an army of his snake hybrids but Shu can't?The difference is that he wasn't trying, some snakes can lay hundreds of eggs per clutch, the same doesn't applies to fire elementals
>>4023413Only because both Val and Quetzali are autistic for each other, raping a woman and forcing her to pump out offspring to use as grunts is a different story, Shu.
>>4023421Val also wouldn't intentionally be making an army to make his task easier. He's just be creating his army as a biproduct of his unique "competitions" with quetzali.
>>4023422>raping a womanNow now, nobody said anything about rape, beside we all know Shu couldn't rape Luzma even if he wanted
>>4023426He certainly doesn't seem to be considering her feelings on the matter, hm?
>>4023417>>4023376Most notably, he suffered an injury to his core stalk. That's the first stalk of cane that he grew from. It's the Azupay equivalent of getting a brain injury. It didn't have an immediate noticeable effect, but it resulted in him becoming unstable and violent over time. He fled and became an outlaw, knowing his actions had certainly already made him a criminal. Gerson retired soon after, wanting leave at his peak, rather than being forced out by age.Over time Azupay, due to his worsening mental state and Gerson's age, came to believe that he had surpassed him. Though this may have just been a lie he told himself. Gerson, perhaps willfully, remained ignorant of Azupay's fate after their fight.Sorry for ranting at you about your character, but I just wanted to share this cool headcanon I thought up.
>>4023428In his fantasies, Luzma is the perfect trad wife that wants to be pregnant all the time and exists solely to make him happy and look cool
>>4023422>rapingSunshine piss off please
>>4023431And these same ideas manifest as horrific nightmares for Luzma herself.Shu's almost mentally forcing himself on her, like literal mindrape.
>>4023433It's deja vu. Do you "mindrape" Asgore when you reload a save after dying?
>>4023433This gave me the worst mental image of Shu, no wonder Luzma wants to kill him
>>4023437>he actually believes undyne's stupid propaganda
>>4023432I don't think that's Sunshine, he's too busy helping Wyatt with finding a boyfriend free girl
>>4023376I'm not the anon who asked to see what this monster looked like, but I think this is a pretty neat design.I like it being quadrupedal, and I like how it seems to only variably have eyes, like the inverse of how Luzma only sometimes has a visible mouth, it's a neat contrast.
>>4023431He is already happy and cool, he wants her to be atleast 10% as cool as him, but usually she's only hot. Ow ow it bur
>>4023436It's not deja vu if it only ever happened in your dreams, Shu.
>>4023442Flowery told him that it's true
>>4023443Quit posting about random people you don't know, Luzen's getting worried.
>>4023411Ok, but what if she *wants* to be a baby factory?
>>4023406You could make it a set of really hard regular encounters then. Or maybe find a way to tie it into an existing secret boss.
>>4023452>Ok, but what if she *wants* to be a baby factory?For Shu? You think she wants to tardwrangle an army of demons?
>>4023422Maybe Shu should find a nice bug wife instead. I'm sure there's some bee or ant monster out there who's all about breeding armies of children.
>>4023441Did Shu just get firegraved?
>>4023452>Your honor, I didn't rape her, she totally wanted it, she didn't even say "no" after I lobotomized her!
>>4023455With Luzma, certainly not. But there's gotta some baby crazy lady out there somewhere who likes the idea.
>>4023456>enter Shu/Sadie
>>4023459Toby...
>>4023456Shu's goal was never to raise an army, but they are too strong and should be guided to use their strength for good instead of evil
>>4023463No, she's too young he'll befriend her mom instead
>>4023463Wtf bits and pieces reference???
All of you anons have it wrong. Shu would never dream of even looking at any of these women. He's saving himself for his one and only, Ceroba. She's the perfect vupline tradwife and the only one for him.
>>4023472We're already talking about Shu forcing himself on people who clearly don't want him, you think he's gonna draw a line at age?
>>4023473What?
>>4023474Where's that one green about Ceroba and Chujin thinking about making their relationship open and then immediately changing their mind once they see Shu around looking for someone to get with?
>>4023474He gave up on Roba a long time ago
>>4023422Would Shu be an underground manosphere influencer?
>>4023477The main dev for that mod got arrested for possession of, you know.
>>4023480Doesn't seem like his vibe, he's a different type of lolcow
>>4023475But just picture it, Shu giving that old jitterbug the ole jitterbug.
>>4023477Lead dev arrested for CP
>>4023463Shu, if you mess with the children I'm afraid Luzma's REALLY gonna fuck you up. She'll make that head injury look like a joke.
You know, I think that one anon from a while back had a good point, maybe Shu and Bratty really are the best fit for each other, assuming we don't want either of them to actually grow or develop as people.
>>4023486Don't worry, I'm sure he'll wait until the exact moment she turns 18.
>>4023487Who would make shu grow and develop as a person? Toriel?
>>4023478Not looking for someone, looking for Ceroba specifically. He made a beeline there the instant he heard the news.>>4023479A true warrior doesn't know the meaning of "give up">>4023480no, redditor
>>4023490 Luzen
>>4023490>Shu gets Ara ara'd by the abusive alcoholic old goat
>>4023490I don't think Toriel would see him as anything other than a kid in need of a decent parent, honestly.The other anon's right, I think having Shu get with Luzen and slowly be brought out of his delusions is probably his best bet, at least for this version of him.
>>4023492*Loud incorrect buzzer*Toby, go back to making chapter 6
>>4023487I still think they could be good for each other. Bratty learns what it means to care about someone other than yourself and Shu finally gets the affection he's been larping so hard to achieve.
>>4023496you're going to have to write something involving him actually improving as a person I'm afraid. All of this talk about him stalking and wanting Luzma to be his perfect tradwife is doing troublesome things for his reputation.
>>4023493No, they wouldn't do it. Shu would realise that he never wanted romance and only wanted someone to care about him>>4023495Yes. But definitely not luzen
>>4023497Whatever gets him to quit being a creep.I don't think I would want to read a story about him getting with Bratty, personally, but I think knowing such a story exists would be nice, in the same sense that knowing the local crack addict recovered and made something good of himself is nice, even if you don't want to go and hang out with him personally.Like, it would just be nice to know things got better for him, you know?
>>4023499He won't improve as a person if you keep headcanoning him as a lolwcow
>>4023504He IS a lolcow. At least with Luzen he made progress on actually being respected by the community.
>>4023504He's not just a lolcow, he's a stalker and a potential rapist.Someone needs to set him on a different path before he does something really terrible.Need an anon to do some Looper shit for him.
>>4023499Nta, but its hard to write something like that just to save a characters' reputation. Its like writing out of spite, it just feels wrong and spoils the product. These things have to come about naturally.Still, I'm happy what little ideas I have propagated involving Shutty have garnered a second Shutty believer.
what if shu showed up in dry to steal kanako from cole?some good old romeo and juliet law, toby approved ntr?????
>>4023508I'm sure that every side of this discussion would be glad with you crumbling to ash in this moment
>>4023507>ShuttyThere's gotta be a better name for it than that.
>>4023503I don't think Shu is that much of a creep. I don't subscribe to the Luzma stuff personally. I feel like he'd have one sided oneitis for Roba because of some childhood complex of his. And I certainly don't think he's an "any hole's a goal" type like people paint him as. Just seems mean to make him a molester or a rapist.
>>4023507>Nta, but its hard to write something like that just to save a characters' reputation.to be fair he didn't have a reputation to save in almost anyones eyes in the first place. >These things have to come about naturally.I do agree with that, but I can't be faulted for calling him a lolcow.
>>4023509NTA, but I personally think causing mayhem and suffering for no reason is very funny, actually.Besides, I'm sure Chujin would be much happier if Kanako got on with a nice fox like Shu, instead of one of those grubby, barbaric ningens.
>>4023511The name is part of the appeal. The lolcow fox and the garbage gator have a very shutty dynamic.
>>4023513I think him being a lolcow is fine, I just think he should be an endearing lolcow. Not a rapist and a creep.
>>4023508This is just straight up lies at this point.>>4023505He isn't? Despite larping and definitely being not as strong as he makes himself out to be he still is fit and looks conventionally attractive. And despite his martial art being fake it still is something, especially with monster's power of belief.>>4023506>source>it came to me in a dream
>>4023512I don't like it either, but I think the tide's too strong to fight at this point.Honestly, the idea of Shu getting with Luzma makes me kinda uncomfortable, just because of how much you'd have to lobotomize Luzma's character to make her even remotely interested in him, and all that other stuff people are talking about makes it feel really dark to me.
>>4023509that would be very cathartic indeed>>4023514ntr GODS stay KEKEDi love when games show my mom ntring my dad with a grocery store janitori love when games show my dad ntring my mom with a schizoid trannyi love when games do this multiple times
>>4023517>it came to me in a dream-Shu, when asked why he forced himself on a random woman he claimed was his true wife
>>4023521>i love when games show my dad ntring my mom with a schizoid trannyYou kidding?Asgore's been getting down with Rudy, nothing trans about that.
>>4023516>I just think he should be an endearing lolcow. Not a rapist and a creep. I know you hate it, but I tried to depict him as endearing ultimately in that shuzen stuff. I really really liked the idea of the community that may not have taken him seriously before, gives themselves a checkup from the neck up when he gets seriously injured, and maybe realizes that he was pretty fun to be around, and maybe they hadn't been as kind to him as they could have.that part's not 'because' of Luzen, but just something I thought was nice. >>4023520Honestly I think sometimes the shu predator stuff comes about because of how much someone pushes shuzma when they don't come across as a good match to me either. People probably feel like responding like that because the ship is so unpleasant.
>>4023520They are both warriors in blue?
>>4023506>potential rapist.Maybe Luzma should preemptively rape Shu to stop this "potential rapist"
>>4023524asgore gonna burst rudy's hemorrhoids
>>4023525I only push shuzma because you push shuzen and want to mindbreak him into being homosexual
>>4023530well, you're wrong about the whole mindbreak thing but I'm not going to entertain that conversation again. Either way you make him sound like a creep with how hard he comes onto Luzma
>>4023517Anon, I say this as someone who likes Shu, he is very much a lolcow. He goes around acting like he's the strongest monster alive, gets the shit beat out of him, then jumps up and says "yeah you better run" the instant they're done beating him. He's obsessed with his high school crush and shops himself into pictures with her to make himself feel better, then posts shops of himself beating up Undyne online.What makes him great is that despite being an absolutely obnoxious lolcow, he's got a good heart. The only people who buy his lies are children, but he tries his hardest to impress them so he can instill in them a sense of hope and belief in themselves. He may be jobless neet who would rather do fake kung fu than look for work, but he also takes care of his mother and keeps her company in her lonely house in the woods, even when there really may be better prospects for him in somewhere like Hotland. And for all his weakness and lies, he really is willing to throw down when he thinks its the right thing to do, even if he's utterly terrified while doing it.
>>4023530Are you pretending to be a certain anon who argued about mindbreak last time this was brought up?Because I'm pretty sure he acquiesced on that already.
>>4023522>forced himself on a random woman he claimed was his true wifeShu can't force a jar pickles, let alone another person
>>4023515Well, I guess you could've gone with a worse name, so whatever.
>>4023531>Suselle is good, actually!Okay.
>>4023531>Either way you make him sound like a creep with how hard he comes onto LuzmaHow hard he comes inside Luzma*
>>4023521>i love when games show my dad ntring my mom with a schizoid trannythat didn't happen though, Asgore just vagueposted for 5 hours, then jobbed. He barely even acknowledged the darkners.
>>4023533No, but I too dislike shuzen
>>4023525That Shuzma guy isn't me btw. I think he may just be shitposting to troll.
>>4023537It's sad how he has to pretend he's with someone else whenever he and Luzen get intimate, but someday he'll moan his boyfriend's actual name instead.
>>4023535What's the worse name? Shatty?
>>4023540>Shuzma is so out of the realm of possibility that only a troll could even consider itGrim...
>>4023543Yeah, that.
>>4023544No, that's a good thing, it means Luzma won't be suffering any horrific traumas that would lower her to Shu's level.
>>4023536Ah, you're shitposting I see.
Well, this has been an interesting conversation to try and navigate with a migraine.I'm gonna peace out for a bit, try and get back to work, you guys have a good one for a while.
>>4023540ah that's unfortunate. Well, Like I said before, the shuzen stuff I wrote isn't intended to be out of spite, so if you ever wrote shatty (I'm sorry I also think there needs to be a better name) I'd give it a read.
>>4023549fuck, I had a mental slip seeing someone post shatty as I was typing that.Shutty.
>>4023547Ah yes Berdly should end up with Monster Kid! That'll make him improve!
>>4023550>>4023549>>4023545Shatty is so funny that I think I might stick with that
>>4023555Shutty is the ship name for when they get together for regular reasons, Shatty is the name for when they bond over their shared interest in scatplay.
>>4023549If anything Shu should realise that he should stop trying to seek relationships to feel fullfilled and should instead focus on fixing dumpsterfire of a himself first.All this focus on "getting" someone has only ever caused him harm and misfortune. Him being with Luzen is one the worst outcomes
>>4023557>Him being with Luzen is one the worst outcomesI don't agree, and him getting with Luzen was more the pieces falling into place as they may.>>4023551Berdly is an outstanding guy as he is, genuinely a stand up person. He's just a bit of a dweeb.
>>4023557Maybe Shu goes on a self improvement arc so that he will one day be good enough to impress Roba
>>4023556While this image is meant as a reply to that post, it occurs to me now that we could really do with a Mr Sunshine drawover of this
>>4023558>BerdlyHe is the same with Noelle as Shu is with Ceroba? I think you are biased. He is probably even more assholish then Shu.The main thing about Shu is that he ACTs it for his brother, how would he look him in the eyes after being pounded by a gay rat?
>>4023563>He is the same with Noelle as Shu is with Ceroba?not even slightly on account of him actually talking to noelle, as well as having a genuinely good moment when he tries to step up on noelles behalf to save her.> how would he look him in the eyes after being pounded by a gay rat?probably just fine since most monsters don't seem to have much issue with homosexuality.
>>4023561>it occurs to me now that we could really do with a Mr Sunshine drawover of thisClosest we have is this
>>4023563>He is the same with Noelle as Shu is with Ceroba? IShu never actually does anything with Roba because he's too scared to approach her. Also Berdly doesn't actually like Noelle and never did, he only loves Susie.
>>4023565Noelle hates him, and wants him to die. On the weird route she admits that she liked that she was able to do what she always wanted, despite it being wrong.
>>4023563>how would he look him in the eyes after being pounded by a gay rat?Shu is obviously the top, it helps with his power fantasy
>>4023568Yes Noelle having problems has nothing to do with what I said.
>>4023417>I ended up thinking a bunch about this guy last night and ended up picturing him pretty differently. I pictured him being visibly made of sugar cane reeds bundled and twisted together, with the reeds being that dark dark brown color that ripe sugar cane turns (because he's a very old and mature example of his species), I could have done more with the plant part of his anatomy, in theory he is like your description, but only under his fur, his claws, tail and ears are indeed meant to be sugarcane, but representing that kind of detail with an overworld sprite is hard.>while the little Azupay I pictured as being green like a young stalk of sugarcane.I did imagine the kid having a different color, light green works quite well.>I also imagined him wearing a Panama hat because that's a pretty stereotypical South American gangster hat, plus it also fits that classy country act he has. He's actually meant to be wearing a "gaucho hat" if we want to be more specific, I changed it to a cowboy hat in the story because they are functionally the same.>I kinda figured his ears were just the tips of the cane stalks that made up his bodyI guess his fur should act more like dense leaves instead of proper fur, I wanted to give him ears and horns, but I think it might be for the best if he only has the horns, I like your interpretation of the ears being sugarcane too.>I also spent a bit thinking about what his lore might be. I figured the little Azupay wasn't the result of sexual reproduction, but was instead just a single chute from him that had broken off at some point and grew up into its own monster, since that's how sugarcane is usually grown.In all honestly I didn't think of the logistics behind how his child was born, he's both a dog and a plant, so him reproducing like that is a valid option, now that I think about it, monsters must have all sort of weird forms of reproduction, even among the animal monsters.
>>4023430While I think your headcanon is pretty cool, there's a few things that Clash with UTN's timeline, Val is the third fallen human, meaning that so far only Chara and Patience have been through the Underground, multiple plot points in Naranja don't work with any other timeline, the monsters must have only one human soul in their possession during the events of the game.Another important detail, Azupay is strong, but he's at best on the level of Undyne, and that's being generous, the group of royal guards he used to be part of had three other warriors above him (in strength, the four of them shared the same rank, still the other guys knew who was the strongest among them), but Azupay greatly overestimates his power and genuinely believes he's going to surpass Gerson soon, that being said, I can see Gerson listening to his opinion since Azupay was only one rank below him, and I do like the headcanon of Gerson being the one that captured the purple soul, he was the captain of the royal guard he must have encountered at least one human, I also like the angle of him doing this because he's about to lose his prime and might never be able to fight a human again.Now, that part of Geto and Gojo relationship regarding Gerson and someone else... There's something like that involving Gerson, but not with Azupay.Azupay trying to take the soul for himself is also very in character as well as thinking he had a chance against Gerson, they probably fought at some point, Azupay just convinced himself that the one time they fought Gerson just got lucky.
>>4023430>>4023574I know I said the canonicity of this story was going to be dubious, but the positive reception and the posts talking about Azupay made me think more of the character and I've already found a way to implement him in the lore, one that neatly fills a gap I had until now, still a very cool headcanon.>Sorry for ranting at you about your character, but I just wanted to share this cool headcanon I thought up.No need to apologize, seeing interpretations of UTN characters its quite a compliment, especially when they are this detailed. If you didn't care about the chracter you wouldn't have come up with this backstory.
>>4023572How is Berdly better than Shu then? Atleast Roba isn't fantasizing in murdering him in a brutal fashion
>>4023576The real Ceroba would.
>>4023576Noelle wanting to murdley the berdly is a flaw on her part, not berdlys. yeah he's a dweeb but he's not actually "kill this person" level bad and actually doesn't push boundaries. he loudly proclaims love in dorkish ways and doesn't actually 'do' anything to them.Ceroba doesn't even know shu exists.
>>4023577Chujin...>>4023578Shu also doesn't push boundaries? If we take his "canon" version and make it more realistic, he probably is just shitposting on the undernet.Equivalent of Berdly giving himself a giant golden statue with nipples
>>4023579>he probably is just shitposting on the undernet.well, posting on the internet that you are dating someone you certainly are not, especially when that information can realistically get back to that person, is certainly not respecting boundaries.besides that we have other already mentioned virtues berghly has.Berdly is just an annoying but good hearted teenager.Shu is a grown man larping while obsessing over someone who doesn't know he exists.Shu is a bit cowardly if anything.
Ever since I read that story, I've been thinking about it a little bit, and I'm curious what other people here might think of it.Do you think Luzma might actually agree with Senator Armstrong?I know she seems to be anti-authority, at least financially, but she also seems to have a certain respect for strength, which Armstrong undeniably has, and since his ideology and motivations are centered around strength, I feel like Luzma might genuinely be willing to hear him out, especially if she couldn't beat him, which, let's be honest, she almost certainly couldn't. And even aside from her own apparent views, I feel like she would also agree with wanting to dismantle the system left over by the Patriots, since it's effectively created a world where soldiers are trained and used like disposable tools and discarded after for the sake of profit, which I feel is something she'd inherently despise.I feel like Luzma, if she survived, might end up joining Armstrong in his plan, maybe as a new member of the Winds of Destruction.
>>4023581Shu is still stronger than the majority of monsters in the underground, he is not that of jobber you make him out to be.Especially when monsters like Papyrus exist, who is actually "dating" Undyne and not even shitposting
>>4023587>Especially when monsters like Papyrus exist, who is actually "dating" Undyne and not even shitposting...What?
>>4023587>Especially when monsters like Papyrus exist, who is actually "dating" Undyne and not even shitpostingwhat the fuck are you talking about anon.
>>4023590>>4023591She invites him to her house for cooking lessons? And she has a drawer full of bones?
>>4023586honestly I don't think she would. Something we got a glimpse of in this story is that Luzma cares about kids (and I'm really interested in what dynamic this might give her with Val). The whole child soldier thing would piss her off, and the child brain thing happening specifically would giver her the power of atomic fire through her rage>which, let's be honest, she almost certainly couldn't.I feel like if she somehow even made it to armstrong at all, then this is a universe in which her power was more even to his SOMEHOW, but even if not, I have a feeling, gut feeling at least, that she'd rather die on her values than join someone who did that to kids. She'd probably think that armstrongs goals as a whole were insane in the same way raiden did.>I feel like she would also agree with wanting to dismantle the system left over by the Patriots, since it's effectively created a world where soldiers are trained and used like disposable tools and discarded after for the sake of profit, which I feel is something she'd inherently despise.I agree, I just have a feeling that she'd hear him out, then call him a terrorist.
>>4023592Golly anon, that's certainly a take. papyrus is also considered fairly strong, not counting the absurd thing you just said
>>4023592Right, you're shitposting.I'm surprised the guy who yells about Yagi doesn't yammer about Shu in the same way, given the amount of arguments around them both.
>>4023595The fuck? I said "dating" clearly in quotation marks but ok.>>4023596Maybe because they don't make him gay, and continuously make him a butt of every joke?
>>4023593>The whole child soldier thing would piss her off, and the child brain thing happening specifically would giver her the power of atomic fire through her rageTrue, though I think it might depend on how exactly she got to Armstrong to begin with.If she followed a similar path as Sam did, as we saw in the DLC, then she might not necessarily have found the facility where they were doing all that, so she might not know about it, and I think Armstrong would be smart enough not to let her in on it if he was a good enough judge of her character, like how the Winds of Destruction tricked Khamsin into fighting for "freedom" in Bladewolf's DLC.If she found out after the fact, I could definitely see her turning on him because of that, but I feel like she might work with him if she didn't know, and it's possible she wouldn't.
>>4023597>Maybe because they don't make him gay, and continuously make him a butt of every joke?Looks like somebody hasn't heard of Papyton.
>>4023599>If she followed a similar path as Sam did, as we saw in the DLC, then she might not necessarily have found the facility where they were doing all that, so she might not know about it, and I think Armstrong would be smart enough not to let her in on it if he was a good enough judge of her character, like how the Winds of Destruction tricked Khamsin into fighting for "freedom" in Bladewolf's DLC.that's fair but->If she found out after the fact, I could definitely see her turning on him because of that,this exactly. The little we know about her, I feel confident that she'd go nuclear over that.>but I feel like she might work with him if she didn't know, and it's possible she wouldn't.it would make it narratively interesting if you fought her in this version of the game, and mid fight as she's going on about ideals as the bosses do, you throw the child soldier thing in her face and there's just a solid moment of >"What did you just say human?"Maybe she'd call off the fight as your intel guy (i can't remember the scientists name off hand) sends her data proof mid fight and she swears she's still kicking your ass later (because she agreed to do so after all and she seems to be a woman of her word) but she has a scorched bone to pick with the senator. maybe she gets merced from behind because of that as armstrong figured she'd defect eventually anyways and backstabs her.
>>4023597>The fuck? I said "dating" clearly in quotation marks but ok.why even say dating at all, it's called hanging out and being friends. We know that Papyrus and Undyne are friends. He's also as I said, considered strong so he's a strange comparison for shu anyways.
>>4023602Yes. Shu shuld try hanging out, instead of trying to date everythingAnd Papyrus also dates Frisk
>>4023603>And Papyrus also dates FriskI feel like you've lost track of this conversation altogether, huh.
>>4023601>this exactly. The little we know about her, I feel confident that she'd go nuclear over that.Almost certainly, but based on what we saw happened with Khamsin, I'd bet they would have something set up to deal with her in case she ever turned on them, or maybe they'd just plan on disposing of her past a certain point preemptively, before she becomes a liability.>it would make it narratively interesting if you fought her in this version of the game, and mid fight as she's going on about ideals as the bosses do, you throw the child soldier thing in her face and there's just a solid moment of >"What did you just say human?"I do wonder how willing she'd be to accept that in the middle of a battle, but I don't think I see her doubling down and thinking that you're trying to trick her or anything like that. I could see what you're saying being what happens. I guess it depends on how exactly she views the system overall and how paranoid she is in an age where information is almost completely controlled and weaponized.>Maybe she'd call off the fight as your intel guy (i can't remember the scientists name off hand)There's like three or four different intel guys you work with in MGR, but the main scientist guy was Viktor, if I remember correctly.>spoilerYeah, I feel like she really wouldn't stand a chance against Armstrong if she tried to seriously kill him, but I could see her trying in this context.I mean, even Raiden didn't stand a chance until he got Sam's blade, and all Luzma has are fire-based attacks, which Armstrong also has for some reason (I actually like MGR not addressing that because humans in the MG universe seem to legitimately have magic powers like that sometimes and MGS4 and MGSV fucked that up by making it all nanomachines and parasites but I digress), so I don't think she could really make a dent in him before he killed her.
>>4023604You say that Shu shutposting on the undernet is bad, but you are okay with Papyrus dating Frisk
>>4023605>I'd bet they would have something set up to deal with her in case she ever turned on them, or maybe they'd just plan on disposing of her past a certain point preemptively, before she becomes a liability.I could definitely see that>I do wonder how willing she'd be to accept that in the middle of a battle, but I don't think I see her doubling down and thinking that you're trying to trick her or anything like that.she seemed in that fic, to really make an effort to try and read her opponent. Raiden didn't come across as the type to lie, so maybe whoever is fighting her in this case, similarly doesn't come across to her as bullshitting. Maybe she even calls bullshit but you hit her with "you really didn't know? All those kids suffering and you had no idea? What have you been doing?" which might make her look backwards on events and notice some peculiarities? I'm not sure.>but the main scientist guy was Viktor, if I remember correctly.Ah yes, he's the one raiden tells to turn off his pain inhibitors I think.>Yeah, I feel like she really wouldn't stand a chance against Armstrong if she tried to seriously kill him, but I could see her trying in this context.yeah even if we powered her up enough to be strong enough to fight humans, I'm assuming she's not the main character here (even if the theme song in her head says she is rightfully).
>>4023605>>4023607>which Armstrong also has for some reason (I actually like MGR not addressing that because humans in the MG universe seem to legitimately have magic powers like that sometimes and MGS4 and MGSV fucked that up by making it all nanomachines and parasites but I digress),it's definitely a series that you can say "because it's fucking cool sometimes characters just do that shit."there's a lot of precedents for it through the series I think.I consider mgs4 an "entertaining soap opera" rather than a good chunk of lore, and I never played mgsv because in my humble opinion, kojimbles lost the plot when he started talking about how snakes feelings weren't real because he was a clone, despite all of the theming of the games telling us otherwise. I think he just started getting too attacked to naked snake personally.>so I don't think she could really make a dent in him before he killed her.I want her to though, even if it's not reasonable damnit I want her to have a bad ass moment!
>>4023606I don't think it's possible to make that argument seriously, to say that the silly date papyrus had with frisk where he hid spaghetti under his hat and was defeated by dating power is equivalent to creeping on women online. not to mention all roads lead to rome as Papyrus ends the date and tells the human to go touch grass.
important lore spotted
>>4023611Oh goodness, did Clover call Martlet a wienie? That's funny.
>>4023586So you think she might end like Sam? She would probably recognize he has a point, but remember, Armstrong was all about social Darwinism, and while Luzma respects people who can backup their words with strength, she also draws a line when it comes to children, She would oppose his ideas once the part of "survival of the fittest" begins (lets assume she doesn't know about the child soldier thing, Luzma wouldn't even bother hearing him at that point, that's way too far)In a way I think she would act a lot like Raiden, but you're right, Luzma can't beat Armstrong, unless humans and monsters are equal in this scenario, that or maybe Luzma has cybernetics enhancements herself. In any case Her integrity won't allow Luzma to work under someone with such radical views like the senator.Now in the context of Metal Gear, she would be a victim of that same system herself, since politics in MG are much more fucked up I can see her actively fighting against the system, but it would still require some manipulation for her to work with the Winds of Destruction.Btw, Her Winds of Destruction codename would be "Zonda" (Extremely hot Argentinian wind that carries a cloud of dust with it)
>>4023614>Btw, Her Winds of Destruction codename would be "Zonda" (Extremely hot Argentinian wind that carries a cloud of dust with it)nta but that's really cool sounding.
>come back from work>over 200 posts of shu or somethingPeople are going insaneOn other news, deltatraveler rebrandhttps://gamejolt.com/p/the-new-dream-deltatraveler-rebrand-4druq9jg
>>4023607>Maybe she even calls bullshit but you hit her with "you really didn't know? All those kids suffering and you had no idea? What have you been doing?" which might make her look backwards on events and notice some peculiarities? I'm not sure.Hm, I could see it.Honestly, I'm not sure what I would *want* her to do in such a story, I like the idea of her wising up at some point and going to try and settle things herself, but I also kinda like the idea of her still fighting and dying for the plan somehow, even if that might not work out.>yeah even if we powered her up enough to be strong enough to fight humans, I'm assuming she's not the main character here (even if the theme song in her head says she is rightfully).Hm, she's a good character, I like her, but sometimes having the spotlight on you for too long can be deadly.>>4023609>it's definitely a series that you can say "because it's fucking cool sometimes characters just do that shit."I know, that's why I like MGR not trying to justify it.>I want her to though, even if it's not reasonable damnit I want her to have a bad ass moment!Hah, I don't know.Like I said, I love her, think I've drawn her enough to make that clear, but I don't think I could break the rules of continuity just for her to have a cool scene like that, and I like Armstrong a bit too much too.Not like *that*, but he's cool.
>>4023616It has a snake waifu nowWatch out Quetzali, you have competitionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv_UV5ATRhY
>>4023616a good number of the posts were actually about Naranja and the recent fic. Pretty sure more of them were about that than shu.>deltatravelerI don't hate that snake design but it pales in comparison to the quetz
>>4023617>Hah, I don't know.>Like I said, I love her, think I've drawn her enough to make that clear, but I don't think I could break the rules of continuity just for her to have a cool scene like that, and I like Armstrong a bit too much too.>Not like *that*, but he's cool.I know but she doesn't have to win to have a cool moment right?I mean realistically it's not happening I'm not being delusional here, I just want to see her leave a genuine scar on him somehow before she goes down. one of those "every time you look in the mirror you'll remember what I did" kind of scars. I imagine her still laughing for a short bit somehow for several seconds after she turned to dust.
>>4023618What is this? an snake for ants? She can't even coil herself around your arm
>>4023614>So you think she might end like Sam? A bit, but maybe more like Sundowner or Khamsin, where she's ultimately being tricked into working for Armstrong's goals by having her ideals exploited, even if she might be a little bit more in the know than those other two, at least about the grander plan, and not the minutia.>She would oppose his ideas once the part of "survival of the fittest" beginsI assumed his ideals were more about breaking down the system so the "weak", the people exploiting other people's strength for profit and personal gain, wouldn't be in control of the "strong", the people being exploited by being turned into soldiers as disposable hardware, I don't think he meant the average person would literally have to kill and steal from others in order to get by if he succeeded in his plan.>but you're right, Luzma can't beat Armstrong, unless humans and monsters are equal in this scenario, that or maybe Luzma has cybernetics enhancements herself.I think it's more about penetrating his nanomachines, and it took a special blade to do that.>In any case Her integrity won't allow Luzma to work under someone with such radical views like the senator.Hm, fair enough I suppose, but then what does she think about the system left over from the Patriots, is she really more willing to try and take that down by herself than work with him?Armstrong isn't like Azupay, he actually has the resources and the ability to follow through on his ideals, and if he wins the presidential election, he'll have complete state backing too, so he could genuinely be the best bet for freeing the world from the Patriots system.She'd really turn away from that (assuming she doesn't know about the kids) just because his ideas are "radical"?>Btw, Her Winds of Destruction codename would be "Zonda" (Extremely hot Argentinian wind that carries a cloud of dust with it)I like that, that's cool.
>>4023623>I assumed his ideals were more about breaking down the system so the "weak", the people exploiting other people's strength for profit and personal gain, wouldn't be in control of the "strong", the people being exploited by being turned into soldiers as disposable hardware, I don't think he meant the average person would literally have to kill and steal from others in order to get by if he succeeded in his plan.nta, but I think the song collective conscious says a lot about what armstrong intends to do with "the weak", since the songs seem to be saying a lot about the character.
>>4023618Quetzali and Val's child...
>>4023625>nta, but I think the song collective conscious says a lot about what armstrong intends to do with "the weak", since the songs seem to be saying a lot about the character.I'm pretty sure that song is meant to be deliberately misleading, since that song plays during the fight against Excelsus, which is before Armstrong reveals what his *actual* ideals are, he's still pretending he's doing it just for economic reasons by that point.
>>4023627>he expects anything good from 'Murica bad writing
>>4023629You lack the intellectual capacity to understand what is being spoken of here.
>>4023627>I'm pretty sure that song is meant to be deliberately misleading, since that song plays during the fight against Excelsus, which is before Armstrong reveals what his *actual* ideals are,I can see where you're coming from, though I don't think I agree because>he's still pretending he's doing it just for economic reasons by that point.the stuff being talked about in the song leans much more heavily into what he eventually reveals. the stuff about "the righteous will succeed" plays very strongly into that might makes right mindset, since something that often plays into that is that "the weak exist for the sake of the strong" which the song very heavily leans into giving control overmost importantly in my opinion is the line after "the righteous will suceed" is"The fires of greed will burn the weakSo we'll make freedom obsoleteMaking whole, the fabric of societyCollective consciousness controlled as you will see"Now I could be wrong, but it's always made me think that that song is kind of like a spoiler towards his real motivations.>>4023629take your meds
>>4023630>Intellectual capacityPretentious much? Hello, Berdly
>>4023631>Now I could be wrong, but it's always made me think that that song is kind of like a spoiler towards his real motivations.I understand disagreeing with my position, but I feel like there's ample reason to see things as I do.I feel like the whole idea of "collective consciousness" is much more in line with what he seems to believe *before* he reveals his true motivations, when he talks about riling people up to start a war for the sake of restarting the war economy, but what he talks about afterwards seems much more like his plan is to give power *back* to the people, after destroying the system keeping the various PMCs controlling the world afloat, so I think we're supposed to view the song as being how *Raiden* sees his ideology at that point in time, rather than how his ideology actually is, especially since Raiden seems much more accepting of his ideology after their fight (Like with Solidus, oops), which makes "It has to be this way" make more sense, as it's Raiden coming around to Armstrong's ideology in the end of things, which we also see in the game's post-credits scene.
>>4023633>I understand disagreeing with my position, but I feel like there's ample reason to see things as I do.yeah I definitely think your approach is reasonable here. I think we're viewing it from different angles but what you're saying makes sense>I feel like the whole idea of "collective consciousness" is much more in line with what he seems to believe *before* he reveals his true motivations, when he talks about riling people up to start a war for the sake of restarting the war economy, but what he talks about afterwards seems much more like his plan is to give power *back* to the peoplemy thing is I think what he defines as "the people" is extremely narrow and is summed up by "the righteous" in the song. There are definitely people who believe that "power to the people, and by that I mean the few that I have chosen to have choice, while the lessers I don't even call them people!">so I think we're supposed to view the song as being how *Raiden* sees his ideology at that point in time, rather than how histhat's very fair and it's hard to deny that the songs could just be raidens views, especially since we're not going to be actively catching all of the lyrics on our first playthrough I think as you focus on fighting, so it could be like raidens background thoughts.>especially since Raiden seems much more accepting of his ideology after their fight (Like with Solidus, oops), which makes "It has to be this way" make more sense, as it's Raiden coming around to Armstrong's ideology in the end of things, which we also see in the game's post-credits scene.you know, the funny thing is I was just looking at "it has to be this way" and I was thinking this could be from either characters perspective right? That's probably the point I assume.Still, I don't think armstrong actually intends to give power back to the masses, and rather wants to create a system where those with the willpower to crush others under their heel to climb to the top "are the people".
>>4023631Also, I think the line "Live in ignorance and purchase your happiness" is there to line up with what Armstrong says about jumpstarting the economy when he's lying about his intentions, but when he reveals the truth, he starts denouncing pop culture controlling people and keeping them sated, so I really think "Collective Consciousness" is meant to be a deliberately false perspective on his beliefs, given how hard everything he says clashes with that song and what he said before when he was explicitly being deceptive.
>>4023634>>4023633to tie this back to fangames, I feel like Armstrongs plan involves crushing weak people under foot to accomplish these ends, even if temporarily, and if Luzma learned that I personally think she'd die on that hill, literally.>>4023635>Also, I think the line "Live in ignorance and purchase your happiness" is there to line up with what Armstrong says about jumpstarting the economy when he's lying about his intentions, but when he reveals the truth, he starts denouncing pop culture controlling people and keeping them satedI disagree only because it's followed up by >When blood and sweat is the real costThinking ceases, the truth is lostwhich I think is admitting basically how armstrong feels about that almost immediately.Like I said, I do get where you're coming from though, and it makes sense.
>>4023634>yeah I definitely think your approach is reasonable here. I think we're viewing it from different angles but what you're saying makes senseGuess we're just agreeing to disagree, huh?At least we know what side of things we'd each be on then, eh?Boy, good thing this is all just a hypothetical, Luzma would hate me if she knew I'd (conditionally) support Armstrong.>my thing is I think what he defines as "the people" is extremely narrow and is summed up by "the righteous" in the song. There are definitely people who believe that "power to the people, and by that I mean the few that I have chosen to have choice, while the lessers I don't even call them people!"True, but I don't think that's Armstrong's endgame, he's just exploiting the existing system so he can dismantle it, which unfortunately requires him to do some bad things.And I know, that almost never works in real life, but MGS4 had Liquid Ocelot take control of Outer Haven to basically do the exact same thing, and that *did* destroy the Patriots themselves, even if their system being left intact was still a problem, so that did technically work before.>you know, the funny thing is I was just looking at "it has to be this way" and I was thinking this could be from either characters perspective right? That's probably the point I assume.I've also heard some people theorize that song is actually about Raiden and *Sam's* battle, but that doesn't seem right to me. >Still, I don't think armstrong actually intends to give power back to the masses, and rather wants to create a system where those with the willpower to crush others under their heel to climb to the top "are the people".I feel like that's more or less just the system that existed while the Patriots were still around, since that system effectively chose what people were or weren't "worthy" of free will, while letting other people rise to certain positions of power.
>>4023638>Guess we're just agreeing to disagree, huh?yeah and that's all good with me.>At least we know what side of things we'd each be on then, eh?I do assume if it did turn out that he was creating a terrible mind control state of crushing everyone under his heel long after the patriots were dismantled, that you'd go on to try and stop that, but I'm sure our theme song for clashing blades would be appropriately cool.>spoilersI wonder, I have a feeling that Luzma has a certain amount of respect for ideology? even though she wanted to crush that azupay guy's ideology. It's probably complicated, but way better than if you were just half hearted about your choice to stand against her. in the end, it had to be this way.>True, but I don't think that's Armstrong's endgame, he's just exploiting the existing system so he can dismantle it, which unfortunately requires him to do some bad things.it could be bias on my part, but him being a politician makes me think that while he thinks he's doing great things, at the end of the day it's all gonna be self serving just as much as the next guy.>And I know, that almost never works in real life, but MGS4 had Liquid Ocelot take control of Outer Haven to basically do the exact same thing, and that *did* destroy the Patriots themselves, even if their system being left intact was still a problem, so that did technically work before.I will say, ocelot is a wildcard among wild cards and also in my opinion, batshit fucking insane. Dismantling the patriots is good, but I have doubts for anyone who claims they do it for our own good kind of.I ask of any politician, no matter how buff he is, what do you serve to gain(s).>I've also heard some people theorize that song is actually about Raiden and *Sam's* battleI guess I can "get it" but that feels a bit too much of a stretch.also I'm listening to the ost again and "internal temperature rising" made me think of luzma, while already thinking of her.
>>4023636>to tie this back to fangames, I feel like Armstrongs plan involves crushing weak people under foot to accomplish these ends, even if temporarily, and if Luzma learned that I personally think she'd die on that hill, literally.Probably, yeah, though I can still see her buying it if she was purposely mislead by Armstrong into not knowing about the details.>which I think is admitting basically how armstrong feels about that almost immediately.I feel like that line works better with what he says when he's lying, whereas what he says when he's being fully honest sounds more like he *wants* people to have to actually fight for what they believe in, which completely clashes with the song's lyrics.Uh, anyway.Yeah, I dunno, I thought it was an interesting topic. If nothing else, I feel like Luzma would have to admit that just letting the system keep marching on and letting people all over the world be victimized and exploited by it certainly isn't a better alternative.Now that I think about it, I could see *myself* trying to argue this with Luzma."Sure, we might be weaponizing these kids all the same, but if it wasn't us, it's not like they'd be any safer. How many children around the world are being made into orphans, losing their homes, or being killed, all for the sake of keeping some PMC's wheels turning? You stop us, you'll be killing the only people with the power to end this, for good. Is helping out just a few tots really worth ensuring the continued suffering of countless more, all across the globe?"I've been told I'd make a good villain before, but really, I think I'd make a great hero.
>>4023642>Yeah, I dunno, I thought it was an interesting topic.it definitely was but there's probably a limit to how far we should go with that tangent even if it was started BECAUSE of luzma.>If nothing else, I feel like Luzma would have to admit that just letting the system keep marching on and letting people all over the world be victimized and exploited by it certainly isn't a better alternative.agreed, I look forward to learning more about what kind of person luzma is but I think this is probably right.>spoilerShe might be willing to fight until her last hp to prove that she's strong enough to change this. That "integrity" that naranja anon talked about>I've been told I'd make a good villain before, but really, I think I'd make a great hero.the biggest difference between the two is which one wins and gets their way.
>>4023639>yeah and that's all good with me.Likewise, even if in another universe one of us would have to die for it.>I do assume if it did turn out that he was creating a terrible mind control state of crushing everyone under his heel long after the patriots were dismantled, that you'd go on to try and stop that,Yes, but I'm pretty sure he isn't going to such lengths to destroy what's left of the Patriots' system just to reinstate it. Remember, he mentions the Patriots by name in MGR, so he definitely has inside knowledge of them on par with what the main cast knew in MGS4, somehow.>but I'm sure our theme song for clashing blades would be appropriately cool.Of course.>I wonder, I have a feeling that Luzma has a certain amount of respect for ideology? even though she wanted to crush that azupay guy's ideology. It's probably complicated, but way better than if you were just half hearted about your choice to stand against her.Perhaps, but I think it's the whole "necessary evil" thing that would make my stance too far for her.>Dismantling the patriots is good, but I have doubts for anyone who claims they do it for our own good kind of.That is fair, but the MG universe is full of ideologically charged freaks, kinda like UT's world, so I think they're a little more trustworthy than our own politicians, if for no other reason than because it's hard to fake a certain kind of crazy like that.Solidus was legit, he was also just crazy. And he was also actually the president too, so, you know, it looks like it works.>also I'm listening to the ost again and "internal temperature rising" made me think of luzma, while already thinking of her.>internalThinking about something in particular, anon?God, I need to do something with her again, she's so good. Shame she'd probably want to kill me, but it is how it is.
>>4023568>On the weird route she admits that she liked that she was able to do what she always wanted, despite it being wrong.What was the exact line?
>THINGS REALLY TOOK A FURY ROUTE BACK THERE, HUH [human]
>>4023647>>4023568she doesn't say that, she just says that when she used snowgrave it was the most powerful she felt in her life, but she never specifies berdlyshe doesn't care about berdly or anyone else in specific but kris in that route
>>4023643>it definitely was but there's probably a limit to how far we should go with that tangent even if it was started BECAUSE of luzma.Yeah, I get that.>agreed, I look forward to learning more about what kind of person luzma is but I think this is probably right.She is pretty interesting, I definitely do want to learn more about her, even if that's a ways off from now.That story Naranjadev posted just has me thinking about how she would interact with different politically-charged characters I like though, which probably wasn't intentional, though I have been thinking about that kind of thing with Wiki too lately for a story I've been thinking of writing, but I digress.>She might be willing to fight until her last hp to prove that she's strong enough to change this. That "integrity" that naranja anon talked aboutI'd write another speech about how "integrity" is the very thing that lead to the establishment of the Patriots and the war economy to begin with, but this is already kinda long, and also I'm pretty sure everyone who knew about the Boss's dream and the reason for the split between Big Boss and Zero is dead, so I'd have no way of knowing about that in-universe to make a speech with.>the biggest difference between the two is which one wins and gets their way.Quite so.History doesn't remember who was best, only who was left.
>>4023646>Solidus was legit, he was also just crazy. And he was also actually the president too, so, you know, it looks like it workstrue, but some of the crazy people also were 5d chess evil manipulators I feel like. it's hard to tell with some of the characters.hell the final fight with ocelot basically has him shifting between all of his internal schizo posters.>Perhaps, but I think it's the whole "necessary evil" thing that would make my stance too far for her.that might be the tipping point but who knows. maybe you'd give her a cool enough fight that she can respect that at least.>Thinking about something in particular, anon?when I do that Luzma aggressive love green I want her to "gently" sear anons clothes off through precise temperature control with her tongue
>>4023655>true, but some of the crazy people also were 5d chess evil manipulators I feel like. it's hard to tell with some of the characters.Fair, but I think for everything we see in the MG timeline, surprisingly few "villains" were after simple personal gain, there was usually a deeper reason for why they were doing what they were doing, which was usually also conveyed to you through really long cutscenes where they aggressively explain what their ideologies are at gunpoint.>hell the final fight with ocelot basically has him shifting between all of his internal schizo posters.Oh, for Ocelot in particular, I think the reason he did all that may legitimately have been because he just really, *really* liked Big Boss and wanted to try and fulfill the Boss's dream because that's what *he* wanted.Like, I'm 99% sure Ocelot's motivations are just him being gay.Especially with the, you know.>that might be the tipping point but who knows. maybe you'd give her a cool enough fight that she can respect that at least.Maybe, but you know, still a shame. I mean, I'd like to not have to kill her either, but "the greater good" and all, you know how I am.>spoilersChrist, that is something.A good something, but man, was not expecting that.I do like the sound of there being more tongue stuff also, tongues are always fun to mess around with. I don't have a fetish for tongues though, I just think they're neat, promise.Hopefully she doesn't burn the skin underneath though, that might get bad depending on where she's licking.
>>4023651You mean a FUR(r)Y route
>>4023573>, but representing that kind of detail with an overworld sprite is hard.Could do him like a netskie, but maybe also take influence from minecraft sugarcane. Those are 16x16, which should be smaller than an overworld sprite by about half.>r, I wanted to give him ears and horns,I was thinking his ears are his horns>spoilerperhaps they fought over that soul instead.>at best on the level of Undyne>three warriors above himDamn, how weak is Undyne? Anyways, maybe he's more like Jagi in Hokuto Ken then, the weakest guy among the strong, and has a real chip on his shoulder over it. Hell, maybe instead of being in that Geto position he was the one that started that other guy down the Geto path with some choice words. >as well as thinking he had a chance against GersonI was thinking that most of that wasn't even him thinking clearly, but just being angry. Maybe his anger clouded his judgement, and he decided that Gerson was probably too tired to be able to beat him. Maybe he even threw in a sucker punch just to shore up his odds.>Azupay just convinced himself that the one time they fought Gerson just got lucky.I think its more likely he's been going over the fight in his head for years, thinking of all the ways he could've won, and he's convinced himself that he'd win any potential rematch, of course also factoring in that Gerson is "past his prime". A lot of this is just him huffing too much copium though, and the rest is him having issues from the brain trauma.Also, since I got the chronology so wrong I have to ask, is Gerson still a part of the royal guard in Naranja?> I've already found a way to implement him in the loreCool. I still think you should play with the design, try to ditch the fur so you can better communicate him being made of sugarcane.
>>4023658>gizmo censoring melodyhe would never disrespect a fellow gamer like that.
>>4023651>[human]It's ever only "Cole" for the Fury route.
>>4023587He's tougher, not stronger, there's a difference. Shu is not beating any of the Undertale bosses in a fight, probably not even any of the common enemies past Waterfall, but he absolutely can and has survived fights with Undyne.>>4023581Shu is a good guy when you get down to brass tacks, he's just too damn autistic for his own good, and yeah, he is a bit of a coward. But his cowardice is selective. He's more scared of him image being damaged than he actually is of being hurt, it just so happens that getting his ass kicked in front of people would do both. He's scared of talking to Roba because deep down, he knows that she'd never have him and is terrified of being rejected.
>>4023586I don't think she would be willing to sign off on the whole industrial scale child soldier brain jar factories. She'd hear him out, but then hit him with the "you're not greedy... YOU'RE BATSHIT INSANE!".
>>4023664Yes, we've covered that now already.
>>4023663>Shu is a good guy when you get down to brass tacks, he's just too damn autistic for his own good, and yeah, he is a bit of a coward. But his cowardice is selective. He's more scared of him image being damaged than he actually is of being hurt, it just so happens that getting his ass kicked in front of people would do both. He's scared of talking to Roba because deep down, he knows that she'd never have him and is terrified of being rejected.you know, it's funny to me that this is the recipe for a fairly compelling character, but every time I go searching for art and see official shu, I'm reminded that there's literally nothing to his actual character.
>>4023623>I don't think he meant the average person would literally have to kill and steal from others in order to get by if he succeeded in his plan.I don't know, he seemed to respect how Raiden did what he did to survive, I understood Armstrong as a guy who respects those that are willing to do anything to get ahead in life, that's what makes one strong according to him.>I think it's more about penetrating his nanomachines, and it took a special blade to do that.Armstrong doesn't have unlimited nanomachines, he still took damage from Raiden's punches during the final fight, but this is besides the point, maybe Luzma develops a super plasma cutter scythe or something.>Hm, fair enough I suppose, but then what does she think about the system left over from the PatriotsWell, its not her first time working alone in something that goes beyond her, she's not opposed to working with others if that's the case.>Armstrong isn't like AzupayYeah, but just like with Raiden, Luzma couldn't ignore the literal terrorist attacks that the Winds of Destruction are committing, if it were just about fighting soldiers she would be more willing, but we are talking about the guys that dropped a Metal Gear in the middle of a city. >She'd really turn away from that (assuming she doesn't know about the kids) just because his ideas are "radical"?I think the only context where Luzma could join Armstrong after hearing his viewpoint and seeing his actions would be one similar to Sam's, she wants to kill Amstrong because she sees him as a perpetrator of the system, fights him, gets beaten, but Armstrong gives her a second chance, Luzma still wouldn't willingly accept the offer, she would try to work under her own conditions while figuring a way to eventually take down Armstrong (even if that might be beyond her level), hating every second she's forced to work under the Winds of Destruction, but as soon as "Zonda" finds out about the child soldiers then that "truce" would stop.
>>4023616I always hate rebrandings. Shows a lack of integrity and feels like a betrayal of the original concept. Granted there's not much to betray here, but that's a lack of integrity. Just make a new game at that point.
>>4023654>That story Naranjadev posted just has me thinking about how she would interact with different politically-charged characters I like though, which probably wasn't intentionalI guess it makes sense when you put a mercenary up against someone who believes they are fighting for a cause.Also thinking about it, just speculating about that fic, Luzma probably thought azupay was that much more full of shit because of how he treated the kid/s. I'm willing to bet that flavored her opinion of him.>>4023657>to you through really long cutscenes where they aggressively explain what their ideologies are at gunpoint.it was dumb as hell but I'll admit back then my first time going through those cutscenes I was on the edge of my seat even if it was fucking bullshit a lot of the time.It and yakuza feel like soap operas in a way with the absurd shit that goes down>rubber bulletsFeels like the kind of plot that might exist in undertale sometimes.I wonder if that guy that was doing undergear or whatever is still around.Speaking of, july is almost over and there was a guy doing that "UTYR" thing that said he'd have something to show this month maybe.>Christ, that is somethingmy mind is an enigma. it whispers dark secrets>that might get bad depending on where she's licking.I'm sure everything will be fine, but I'm also sure she can just about taste anons fear as she does it.
>>4023616Also, what a shitty name, generic and doesn't flow at all.
>>4023669>Granted there's not much to betray here, but that's a lack of integrity.that's a fair way to put it because, if they had any integrity in the first place, they'd have stayed true to the cringe they wanted to be in the first place.
>>4023631I kinda figured the song is a misdirection that foreshadows his real intentions underneath. Greed and collective consciousness aren't the goal, but the means, and the goal is burning the weak and making the righteous succeed. A system where the only people left are ones like Armstrong who fight and kill for what they believe, while everyone else is dead.
>>4023667>I think the only context where Luzma could join Armstrong after hearing his viewpoint and seeing his actions would be one similar to Sam's, she wants to kill Amstrong because she sees him as a perpetrator of the system, fights him, gets beaten, but Armstrong gives her a second chance, Luzma still wouldn't willingly accept the offer, she would try to work under her own conditions while figuring a way to eventually take down Armstrong (even if that might be beyond her level), hating every second she's forced to work under the Winds of Destruction, but as soon as "Zonda" finds out about the child soldiers then that "truce" would stop.nta but this reminds me a lot of the guys working under toguro in the dark tournament for yuyu hakusho. This whole time working for him they'd just been trying to become strong enough to kill him.
>>4023618do you think that this is because people memed on the random snake kill being painted as so HORRIBLE and HORRIFYING that they're now making the random snake a named character?
>>4023673>and the goal is burning the weak and making the righteous succeedthat's kind of how I read it. "we the people, and I do me we and not you">>4023675honestly the first thing that came to mind when I saw that snake
>>4023667>I don't know, he seemed to respect how Raiden did what he did to survive, I understood Armstrong as a guy who respects those that are willing to do anything to get ahead in life, that's what makes one strong according to him.Yes, but I don't think his goal was to create a state where that's the default for everyone, is what I was saying.>Armstrong doesn't have unlimited nanomachines, he still took damage from Raiden's punches during the final fight, but this is besides the point, maybe Luzma develops a super plasma cutter scythe or something.Maybe, but Armstrong has his own fire powers too, so he might have an enhanced resistance to her abilities, on top of his nanomachines.And remember, Armstrong can heal major wounds like lost limbs just by reattaching them, as seen in Jetstream Sam's DLC, so nothing Luzma could do to him would necessarily be fatal unless she managed to take out his augmented heart, or decapitate him, neither of which seem likely.>Well, its not her first time working alone in something that goes beyond her, she's not opposed to working with others if that's the case.Still, it's a global system, that's certainly more than she's had to fight before.>Luzma couldn't ignore the literal terrorist attacks that the Winds of Destruction are committing, if it were just about fighting soldiers she would be more willing, but we are talking about the guys that dropped a Metal Gear in the middle of a city. True, though they were technically doing a lot of that as actual work, since that's just how fucked the world is in MGR.If that's the kind of thing Desperado's doing, what are the other PMCs in the world up to?>last paragraphI guess that makes sense, but I have to imagine she'd at least wait until after the old system was gone before trying to kill him again, provided she still doesn't know about the child soldiers, right?Otherwise she's just made herself part of the system itself, and prevented things from actually getting any better.
>>4023662he was trying to say "NINGEN"
>>4023673>A system where the only people left are ones like Armstrong who fight and kill for what they believe, while everyone else is dead.I don't think Armstrong literally wanted a world where people are regularly murdering each other over nonsense, I think he just meant a world where the average person is more than just a mindless slave to the system and is actually willing to stand for what they believe in, a world where people are "strong".
>>4023666>, I'm reminded that there's literally nothing to his actual character.Honestly, I just find canon Shu to be endearing. Its just some guy having fun with his OC in a really innocent way. No absurd sexual debauchery or forced drama, just the desire to make a better ending for the characters he loves so much. Yeah, the writing there is atrocious, but admire it for its honesty and sincerity. And the guy takes a joke pretty well, so I respect that too.I will continue to write his character as Mr Satan though, because I think its way more compelling though.
>>4023679Well most of the murdering would be done up front to get rid of the people not suited for such a system, and there would always been some amount of murder.
>>4023682Yes, and a lot of people are already being killed and exploited under a system that sees people as being hardware to be used and discarded rather than as living beings, so I think at least in the context of the world of Metal Gear, Armstrong has a point.Plus, if like half the people involved in the earlier bits of MG's story were just killed instead of being allowed to have any kind of power, the world would have been way better off.Like, if everyone in the White House at the end of MGS3 just exploded before being allowed to do any of the stupid shit they got up to, literally everything would've been fine, so maybe Armstrong has a point about killing some people, really.
>>4023683Yeah, but a lot of those people might stick around. He likes men of action, he doesn't like the weak people that enable and support systems like the one set up by the patriots. Most of who he'd be killing is normies, probably the majority of the human race.Anyways, this seems to have gotten pretty off topic.
>>4023680>just the desire to make a better ending for the characters he loves so much.He's like us...
>>4023680Holy cringe.
>>4023687He's like us, that's why I can't hate him. He just no perception of what makes good or bad writing, and may not care.
>>4023680I get that, but I still don't like it. You get better at things naturally by doing it over and over unless you actively refuse to get better at it. He's a grown ass adult and I want him to try to give his character some personality, and then I remember I'm talking about shu and I realize I don't care enough and I go back to looking for something interesting.
>>4023685>Yeah, but a lot of those people might stick around. He likes men of action, he doesn't like the weak people that enable and support systems like the one set up by the patriots.The people I'm talking about are the people directly responsible for creating the Patriots.>Most of who he'd be killing is normies, probably the majority of the human race.Not according to MGS4, there are tons of civilians fighting against the PMCs all over the world, they're even part of a mechanic that the game abruptly drops like two acts in. Humans in the MG universe don't seem to behave like normal people in basically any sense of the word, especially since some people literally just have superpowers, like Volgin's electricity, various character's psychic powers, Vamp's enhanced agility, Sam being brazillian, etc, and we really have no clue how common that is among the general population either, so all sorts of people could have powers like that, and that's not even counting all the different kinds of nanomachines that give you powers too.Uh, anyway, yeah, we've gotten off topic by now.I just think the initial idea was neat, that's all.
>>4023688Cringe? Based? Just words. And yet you let them control you.
>>4023692It's an accurate word to describe the feeling evoked by that text.
>>4023690Fair enough. I just see it for what it is, a self indulgent copefic. I'd never read any of his stuff either, but I respect the motivation behind it. I agree he should really work on his writing, but eh, its no skin off my back if he does, because I don't read his stuff.
I think shu is arright however making memes about him is still very fun I think it's in the spirit of the sub-community
>>4023677>Maybe, but Armstrong has his own fire powers too, so he might have an enhanced resistance to her abilities, on top of his nanomachines.I could say her new scythe is as hot as the sun, just like how Murasama is somehow that much stronger than Raiden's original HF blade to the point Armstrong couldn't snap it with his hand.>unless she managed to take out his augmented heart, or decapitate him, neither of which seem likely.So you're saying there's a chance?>Still, it's a global system, that's certainly more than she's had to fight before.Well, then it might be the time to form a new team, I'm sure she and post-MGR Raiden can reach an agreement, and if that can't happen, Luzma is used to being alone in the world.>If that's the kind of thing Desperado's doing, what are the other PMCs in the world up to?Well I did say she would work under her own conditions if she were forced to, by that I mean she would only participate in missions that involve fighting other PMCs.>I guess that makes sense, but I have to imagine she'd at least wait until after the old system was gone before trying to kill him again, provided she still doesn't know about the child soldiers, right?Maybe, it would be an extremely conflicted situation, you said they would try to manipulate her like they did with Khamsin, I believe at first Luzma would try to kill Armstrong as soon as possible, but with time she would start to have more and more doubts due to the manipulations, like they would do everything in their power to make Luzma believes they are the only right choice, even if that involves killing innocents, she would hate her time in the WoD.>Otherwise she's just made herself part of the system itself, and prevented things from actually getting any better.I see we are already starting with the manipulations.
>>4023696>but eh, its no skin off my back if he does, because I don't read his stuff.well, that's fair. I do respect the desire to make self indulgent stuff. Hell I do so all the time. I just can't grasp the mindset of people who don't want to improve at things they do all the time. Like when someone asks you for critique on something they did and you realize a few sentences in that they didn't want critique but a pat on the back. Like yeah encouragement and being told the points you did good is great but isn't the feeling of being complimented weakened by knowing you'll never put any effort into doing it better?
>>4023659>Could do him like a netskie, but maybe also take influence from minecraft sugarcane.I'll consider it, but its not like I'm going to draw his sprite in a very long time.>I was thinking his ears are his hornsThat works too.>>spoiler>perhaps they fought over that soul instead.Could be, but I still prefer it being the purple soul.>Damn, how weak is Undyne?She's the measuring stick, so if someone is on her level you know they are super strong, anyway I said I was being generous, in reality he would be weaker than her, while the strongest among the group would actually be nearly on the level of Undyne, you have to keep in mind that random Monsters like Knight Knight and Muffet have stats comparable to Undyne, what makes her special is her determination, her stats don't seem to be an anomaly among monsters.>Anyways, maybe he's more like Jagi in Hokuto Ken then, the weakest guy among the strong, and has a real chip on his shoulder over it. Hell, maybe instead of being in that Geto position he was the one that started that other guy down the Geto path with some choice words.I can see the part of the chip on his shoulder, he wouldn't even be the first one on the group to feel like that, they all had very marked views on their own strength, as for the "Geto", it was something else that lead him to that path, but I think he and Azupay reached similar conclusions.
>>4023659>>4023701>I was thinking that most of that wasn't even him thinking clearly, but just being angry. Maybe his anger clouded his judgement, and he decided that Gerson was probably too tired to be able to beat him. Maybe he even threw in a sucker punch just to shore up his odds.>I think its more likely he's been going over the fight in his head for years, thinking of all the ways he could've won, and he's convinced himself that he'd win any potential rematchI like that approach too, overthinking everything and forming a plan to counter Gerson the next time he challenges him, it fits with how he fought Luzma>Also, since I got the chronology so wrong I have to ask, is Gerson still a part of the royal guard in Naranja?He has to be, remember that before Undyne, Gerson was the captain, there's no way Undyne has been captain when all the other kids fell.Gerson being so old and still captain is part of what frustrated Azupay so much, he really wanted to be the at the top of the royal guards but Gerson had centuries of advantage and no one would ever take his position, unless the old man kicked the bucket, or chose to step down.>Cool. I still think you should play with the design, try to ditch the fur so you can better communicate him being made of sugarcaneI'll see what I can do, he still would be mostly black tho, since that's a core part of his design.
>>4023699>I could say her new scythe is as hot as the sun, just like how Murasama is somehow that much stronger than Raiden's original HF blade to the point Armstrong couldn't snap it with his hand.Depending on what part of the sun we're talking about, that may only be around 5500 degrees celsius.>So you're saying there's a chance?Not a good chance.And monsters are still much weaker than humans, but even if we're putting them on a more even playing field as a species, Armstrong is no ordinary human. And cybernetic enhancements or nanomachines likely wouldn't work for monsters due to them not having the kind of physiology for them to work with, no bloodstream to flow through or nervous system to manipulate, which means Luzma couldn't really be elevated to his level either.>Well, then it might be the time to form a new team, I'm sure she and post-MGR Raiden can reach an agreement, and if that can't happen, Luzma is used to being alone in the world.Alone in the underground maybe, but fighting the super military industrial complex is a different story.>Well I did say she would work under her own conditions if she were forced to, by that I mean she would only participate in missions that involve fighting other PMCs.And maybe she'd try and adhere to that as best she could, but that still leaves open the possibility of her being tricked like Khamsin was, into doing something for a completely different reason.She's a decent strategist, but she doesn't exactly strike me as the type to be able to sleuth out a conspiracy on the level of what was happening in MGR, so I could see her being tricked into doing some things she'd rather not.1/2 (this got long)
>>4023699>>4023706>like they would do everything in their power to make Luzma believes they are the only right choice, even if that involves killing innocents, she would hate her time in the WoD.They could probably assign her missions that would make her less likely to rebel, like directly fighting other PMCs, but I think they would probably also be willing to just have her disposed of by tricking her into taking a mission intended to get her killed, just like with Khamsin.>I see we are already starting with the manipulations.I didn't have the space to write out what I meant fully, let me elaborate.If she does work with the Winds of Destruction, killing people and completing objectives for the sake of the plan, but turns on Armstrong prematurely without knowing about the child soldiers, but just because she thinks she's strong enough to kill him, then all she'd have done is aided the cycle of violence and exploitation, while skipping the part that actually justifies it by killing the man who was trying to stop it, preventing the system from being dismantled, even ignoring the idea of setting anything up after the fact.In that scenario, she's done nothing but give herself over to a system that she herself hates, while actively stopping that system from being destroyed.So, wouldn't it be better to at least wait until the plan's gone through, before turning on him?Otherwise, you're just another cog in the machine.
>>4023701>I'll consider it, but its not like I'm going to draw his sprite in a very long time.Fair enough, maybe just throw the idea in your notes (assuming you have those)>That works too.Yeah, leafy cane stalks that could be horns or ears>but I still prefer it being the purple soul.Honestly, me too. Still caught up on that whole JoJo reference purple soul idea.> in reality he would be weaker than herMaybe his strength manifests differently. Like instead of being really physically strong, his ability in combat comes mainly from his cunning. So while someone like Undyne is way stronger, he has a way of evening the playing field with his tricks and techniques.> what makes her special is her determination, I don't think its just that. She's also just a better fighter than they are. Stats tell you very little about an enemy. Just how much damage one of their bullets will do, how much they can resist damage, and how much damage they need to die. They don't tell you anything about their patterns or special abilities.>he would still be mostly blackmaybe he's black like rotten sugarcane then, shows his maturity and his rotten character
Okay, interesting conversation, sorry for derailing things a bit with a decade+ old game that's never getting a sequel, I'm gonna go take a shower now, so it might be a bit before I can reply to anything else about all that.
>>4023706>Depending on what part of the sun we're talking about, that may only be around 5500 degrees celsius.Maybe I should be even less specific, her new scythe is as hot as hell itself!>And monsters are still much weaker than humansDang, she gets nothing, I was thinking on Deltarune rules, forget about fighting Armstrong, with those conditions she jobs to Bladewolf.>Alone in the underground maybe, but fighting the super military industrial complex is a different story.Ah, well, what's the genre of this game? is it a character action like MRG or is it a RPG like Deltarune? Maybe she needs to start forming her adventuring party right now, the ancient evil can't be beaten by a single hero.>And maybe she'd try and adhere to that as best she could, but that still leaves open the possibility of her being tricked like Khamsin was, into doing something for a completely different reason.She'd have to thread carefully, maybe mentally block everything they say, besides her next orders.>She's a decent strategist, but she doesn't exactly strike me as the type to be able to sleuth out a conspiracy on the level of what was happening in MGR, so I could see her being tricked into doing some things she'd rather not.She's a good tactician, not so much a strategist, that was someone else's specialty, she would still act suspicious since she doesn't really trust Armstrong.>They could probably assign her missions that would make her less likely to rebel, like directly fighting other PMCs, but I think they would probably also be willing to just have her disposed of by tricking her into taking a mission intended to get her killed, just like with Khamsin.Yeah, if Luzma starts asking suspicious I don't think they hesitate on taking her down. Maybe the protagonist plot armor will trigger and she won't end like Khamsin, depending on who they send and if Luzma's on the same level as the other winds.
>>4023708>If she does work with the Winds of Destruction, killing people and completing objectives for the sake of the plan, but turns on Armstrong prematurely without knowing about the child soldiers, but just because she thinks she's strong enough to kill him, then all she'd have done is aided the cycle of violence and exploitation, while skipping the part that actually justifies it by killing the man who was trying to stop it, preventing the system from being dismantled, even ignoring the idea of setting anything up after the fact.I was about to say she could use the rest of Desperado for something else, but that's not Luzma, she's not interested in being the head of an organization, as cool as that could be>In that scenario, she's done nothing but give herself over to a system that she herself hates, while actively stopping that system from being destroyed.>So, wouldn't it be better to at least wait until the plan's gone through, before turning on him?This is the kind of thing that would make her miserable, this is like the worst case scenario, working for the people she hates, doing horrible crimes (and not even knowing the full extent of them) while being told that this is the only way to "fix" the system, being anti authority was much easier in the Underground, there weren't as many fucked up factors to keep in mind.I'm not sure what she would do in this context, either she says fuck it and still choses to kill Armstrong because she feels so strongly about her own moral code and is just sick and tired of working for literal terrorists, or she has a mental breakdown and loses the motivation to fight once she realizes she's there's no wining move for her.>Otherwise, you're just another cog in the machine.Is that what you would tell Luzma if she revealed her plans to take down Armstrong?
>>4023709>Fair enough, maybe just throw the idea in your notes (assuming you have those)I will, my notes are starting to look like a mess so I'll have to clean them up soon.>Maybe his strength manifests differently. Like instead of being really physically strong, his ability in combat comes mainly from his cunning. So while someone like Undyne is way stronger, he has a way of evening the playing field with his tricks and techniques.He does use the element of surprise a lot and has access to a status effect, that's kind of his battle gimmick.>I don't think its just that. She's also just a better fighter than they are.I'd argue Muffet is as good of a fighter as Undyne if we go purely from gameplay, she's one of the few monsters with access to a soul mode and her battle is pretty long too.>Stats tell you very little about an enemy. Just how much damage one of their bullets will do, how much they can resist damage, and how much damage they need to die. They don't tell you anything about their patterns or special abilities.I know, Sans is the most obvious example of this, but I still think stats are important because the game clearly shows you how monsters with higher stats have harder patterns than weaker monsters, if a monster has higher stats, chances are they are a better fighter. My point is that multiple monsters that are comparable to Undyne can exist without it feeling contradictory, this group of guards were trained by Gerson too and were selected because of the potential they showed.>maybe he's black like rotten sugarcane then, shows his maturity and his rotten characterI'll see what I can do with that.
>>4023720>I'd argue Muffet is as good of a fighter as Undyne if we go purely from gameplay,She's not fighting you on her own though. She's getting help form the spiders and her pet, and its in a trap that she set. Plus Muffet's got more LV than most monsters (she has killed before has every intention of killing again), so she's got that pumping her stats.> but I still think stats are important because the game clearly shows you how monsters with higher stats have harder patterns than weaker monstersThe mercs are easier to fight than Papyrus or Undyne, despite having similar or higher stats.>My point is that multiple monsters that are comparable to Undyne can exist without it feeling contradictory, I agree
>>4023718>Maybe I should be even less specific, her new scythe is as hot as hell itself!Well, vagueing things up helps avoid semantics, I suppose.>Dang, she gets nothing, I was thinking on Deltarune rules, forget about fighting Armstrong, with those conditions she jobs to Bladewolf.To be fair, most people would job to a robot wolf with a chainsaw for a tail. So, that's not so bad.If we wanted to be generous, we could say she could get stronger naturally just by being in the "business" long enough, like how Sam was actually almost completely human aside from his prosthetic, but was still on-par with actual full-body cyborgs.No pain, no gain, eh?>Ah, well, what's the genre of this game?I was thinking character action, but if we're merging UT stuff in here, maybe a more "complex" character action like Kingdom Hearts might be a better example, if we're talking about more than just basic damage here.>She'd have to thread carefully, maybe mentally block everything they say, besides her next orders.Careful, block too much and she might not know who she's killing any given mission.>She's a good tactician, not so much a strategist, that was someone else's specialty,Interesting note there, but I mean she's smart when it comes to active combat, but that she probably wouldn't be too good at sniffing out the more concerning aspects of the conspiracy by herself, I don't take her as being the detective type.>she would still act suspicious since she doesn't really trust Armstrong.Yeah, but not trusting him and knowing *why* she shouldn't trust him are two different things.>Maybe the protagonist plot armor will trigger and she won't end like Khamsin, depending on who they send and if Luzma's on the same level as the other winds.Hm, I feel like I could see her being on about Mistral's level, or maybe slightly lower than Monsoon, but actually trying to scale any of the Winds is pretty hard due to how different their fighting styles are.
>>4023719>I was about to say she could use the rest of Desperado for something else, but that's not Luzma, she's not interested in being the head of an organization, as cool as that could beEh, I don't think the average grunt in Desperado is interested in suddenly trying to make a change for the better.If anything, they just seem to want to keep their heads down, do their jobs, and get home alive, if that one scene is anything to go off of.>being anti authority was much easier in the Underground, there weren't as many fucked up factors to keep in mind.Easier being anti-authority when the only authority is some big fuzzy pushover, huh?Welcome to the surface.>I'm not sure what she would do in this context, either she says fuck it and still choses to kill Armstrong because she feels so strongly about her own moral code and is just sick and tired of working for literal terrorists, or she has a mental breakdown and loses the motivation to fight once she realizes she's there's no wining move for her.Aw, making me feel bad for her, almost.I love these kinds of hard scenarios, where they feel like there's no good way out, forcing them to either adapt or break in the face of them, this is what I love to see, how they behave in such cruel realities.
>>4023719>Is that what you would tell Luzma if she revealed her plans to take down Armstrong?If I was some other member of the WoD? Hm, depends. I like Luzma, of course, and I see where she's coming from, but the problem is that her view on things is too black and white for the situation she's being faced with.She wants Armstrong dead, I get that, but if she kills him too early, all she's done is made sure he can never do any of the good he wanted to do, and the necessary evils he committed are all made in vain. The world just gets worse, and she just takes out the one man with the power to make things better.And sure, she might be willing to die for her ideals, but is she willing to live with them?Is she willing to wake up, everyday, for the rest of her life, knowing that millions of people around the world are suffering from an oppressive system that *she* made sure wouldn't be taken down?She might've done it to save some kids here and there, but what about the kids whose lives are being exploited and torn apart by the system already, and who will continue to be crushed under the weight of the war economy for who knows how long now?Is that her idea of a "greater good", striking down the best available option in favor of something she might not even be able to pull off, gambling the world's future on herself alone?Is that her answer?
>>4023719>This is the kind of thing that would make her miserable, this is like the worst case scenario, working for the people she hates, doing horrible crimes (and not even knowing the full extent of them) while being told that this is the only way to "fix" the system, being anti authority was much easier in the Underground, there weren't as many fucked up factors to keep in mind.I'm not sure what she would do in this context, either she says fuck it and still choses to kill Armstrong because she feels so strongly about her own moral code and is just sick and tired of working for literal terrorists, or she has a mental breakdown and loses the motivation to fight once she realizes she's there's no wining move for her.Also, I really appreciate you telling me all this, assuming you're Naranjadev. It's an interesting look into her character, how she'd feel about all this, it's so fascinating to me to see what kind of thing makes any given character break.And, while I recognize this is likely just the sadism talking, the idea of her having a mental breakdown over this is very amusing to me, seeing her will collapse after realizing she's done nothing but surrender herself to a system she despises, becoming nothing more than another tool of suffering and injustice, used to crush and kill the very people she wanted to save.God, I love this kind of thing. I love Luzma, all the various characters I've grown attached to, and of course I want what's best for them and for them to be happy, yadda yadda, but there's just nothing quite like seeing their spirits destroyed like this, forced to play by the rules of such sick, twisted games, so far removed from their comfort zones.So lovely, seeing how they tick, and how they break.Sometimes it's harder for me to enjoy it like this, my empathy seems to fluctuate at times, but for now, this brings me joy.Thank you for this, really. Even if you aren't Naranjadev, the mere thought of such anguish makes my cold heart sing.
This isn't the first time I've noticed something like this, but every time I see the difference with Bedo's ears in her talksprite compared to her overworld sprite, I take just a bit of psychic damage.Anyway, lineart's almost done, gonna try and have that finished before I go to bed tonight, but this probably isn't getting done before the weekend, since I'll be busy later today.This taking more than a week to finish irks me greatly.
>>4023616I'll play it when it releases but I don't have high hopes for this and I'm not a fan ofthe idea of backporting the Dark Ruins into Deltatravler; I know UTY's Dark Ruins demo came out in 2016 so it could have been in the original 2021 Deltatraveler build, but it still feels like jumping on UTY's success to me
I was watching a video on Sonic CD while working on this drawing, and something occurred to me.Well, first I had the mental image of Bedo messing around with the game late at night in the dark and accidentally stumbling onto the "Fun is infinite" screen and then promptly deciding to turn all the lights on after, but then I thought that monsters might not even get freaked out at something like this, since they have so many varied appearances that there's probably some guy in the underground who just looks like that normally.What do you guys think, do you think monsters would get scared at monstrous looking things that humans think are scary, or is [picrel] just a normal image to them?Anyway, I'm also going to turn on all my lights now because I also think this image is spooky and I don't like looking at it.
>>4023870We find other humans creepy all the time, I don't see why they wouldn't have a concept of a creepy looking monster.
>>4023967>>4023870there's also the music that goes along with it that sets off a spoopy atmosphere. Even if you're just looking at the image now, chances are you've heard the music before.
>>4023851Nice to see you're still working on it.>This taking more than a week to finish irks me greatly.How detailed is the drawing?
>>4023870>>4023967Asriel thought Chara's melting face was creepy, so there must be certain features monsters find scary
If Shu was almost fully the same but a woman people would love him. Curious how that happens
>>4023975and yet rule 63 shu is almost completely ignored except by that person that really loves girl jobbers.even more curious.
>>4023978Because its not canon, even to Shu lore. And lusting over someone's reddit OC feels weird. But if she was a fangame character we would get tons of people discussing her left arm's index finger's fingernail or something
>>4023981>And lusting over someone's reddit OC feels weirdplenty of people don't care about that, especially because that all started from people thinking his creator was a kid and not a grown ass man. The real difference is that the local fangame characters attempt to have more to them. Not a single one of them is as "nothing" as shu. Shu is so very nothing that people here literally invented an entirely new version of him because mr. Satan shu is more interesting than the actual article
>>4023983Mr Satan Shu is still based of the original Shu. And being a non-character is not such a big of a problem, since you can just make it from scratch, like Sadie for example.
>>4023987>And being a non-character is not such a big of a problem, since you can just make it from scratch, like Sadie for example.the difference is that Shu has a ton of "characterization" that is equal to nothing. he's a boot and nuke with every bit overwritten with pure chaff. It says a lot that even with some people liking the "satanshu" thing, there's still a lot of people that hate the character. There's baggage to being such a waste of space, whereas sadie doesn't have that, and proportionally anyways less people are fixated on sadie because of all that.
You know, I liked DRY well enough before, but after seeing those people being weird about it lately I'm looking forward to it even more. Ever since that one youtube "dry take" I've noticed that some of the people that are most weird about their thoughts on DRY either have a take of their own (not including dry2anon), or seem to have an issue with the ship but aren't willing to admit that and just go into full passive aggression.I mean I'm still seeing tons of people who really like it, and some people who act normal about it not being their thing, but that subset just makes me really want to see the next update, see the impotent anger from someone who's upset that they aren't actually willing to put in the work while they just seethe about a vision that isn't their own.I don't know, it's a bit spiteful sounding, and I'm not complaining about people that have issues with DRY, but I don't apologize for laughing at some of these people.
>>4024000>it's a bit spiteful soundingA bit?
>>4024000The majority of people who played it like it though. I think most of the "hate" comes from the fact that DRY is relatively unknown and hasn't been covered by a popular youtuber. So the people assume that it's bad by default, "it can't be good if people don't know about it"
>>4023975My jobber wife
>>4024006Shu...
>>4024001yes, a bit. To an extent when someone is making comments like those people tearing down DRY to promote their own take, it's normal to want to laugh in their faces.>>4024003>The majority of people who played it like it though.yeah I mentioned that, there's a lot of people that like it, and even among the people who dislike it, for the most part people I think are reasonable calling out specific things from the game that they disliked.it's when you see things like that one comment saying something like the controls hardly worked that you start thinking "this person has ulterior motives or some kind of stick up their ass.">So the people assume that it's bad by default, "it can't be good if people don't know about it"that probably applies to a good number of those, but for the ones working on dry takes of their own, I feel like it should be obvious that a dry take isn't going to be a super hit on the level of undertale itself (dry has actually gotten an impressive amount of reach I'd say).
>>4024007Shu selfcest?
>>4024010It's more of "Wow someone is developing a DRY take, it can't be possibly as good as mine. But maybe you'll improve some day lil buddy"Like when Deepsi (Kanacole artist) played DRY and was kinda mocking it
>>4024013huh, so it's kind of a conceit/pride thing I guess? They've got this grand vision in their head of how THEY'D do it, so clearly this is just amateur hour? I think I can see that.A lot of people clearly don't know how much it takes to do game dev, going by the number of people that start it and then drop before really making anything, and I've seen some of these sort talking endlessly about their dry take while not even having any planning on how they'd make it happen done.
>>4024000>spiteful soundingI thought that anon didn't care for DRY
>>4024017I'm not talking about an Anon here. I'm talking about that person from outside of here who promoted his DRY take based on how much better it supposedly was than DRY1
>>4024018I was making a joke about about the local CBT artist
>>4024015People can't get invested into what they think is a "bad fangame". Kinda like people who rushed through chapter 3&4 and called it garbage because they just wanted to get to the end as fast as possible and didn't care. And you can't really enjoy games if you don't care for them no matter how good they actually are.And they are going to especially assume that it is bad because it doesn't follow their headcanon take, so obviously the dev just didn't think about it as hard as they did
>>4024019I guess I don't really get the 'joke' part then. Just seemed like you were pointing out an Anon that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
>>4024019What do you think this is? An edging contest? You're constricting me with those jokes
>>4024020>And they are going to especially assume that it is bad because it doesn't follow their headcanon take, so obviously the dev just didn't think about it as hard as they didI guess that's fair. not as in it doesn't reflect poorly on those people, but it makes sense how that can happen.>Kinda like people who rushed through chapter 3&4 and called it garbage because they just wanted to get to the end as fast as possible and didn't care. And you can't really enjoy games if you don't care for them no matter how good they actually are.yeah I can see that as well, people booting up the game with the intention "this is going to suck" are much more likely to find that it meets their expecations than if they were neutral on it.
Bird discovered in the wild
>>4024032Anon forgot to attach an image
>>4024038Worse yet, ive got that issue where I can't delete.the post.
>>4024039Did you try refreshing/reopening the page? Your failure shall be remember eternally
As penance, here too, is a Roba.
>>4024042Why do people like to draw The Roba specifically with that hat? Is it hag energy?
>>4024041Several times. Ive given up and will allow the monument of my sin to remain standing.
>>4024045That kind of hat is 'dainty' and evokes the impression kind of like what a sundress would do. I think it's to invoke something more youthful actually while not being "young".
>>4024048>sundressWould Roba larp as a tard wife?
>>4024054>tard wife?You can't larp what you already are
>>4024054as a tard wife? but anon, she already is! oh hohohohoHowever she's pretty much already a tradwife, just a lot more spirited than most people would expect from such a character (this is what makes her great).
>>4024056>oh hohohohoCarol...I don't know but she came off to me as trying to be "cool" and "hip with the kids", but maybe just fandom induced thought. Does she herself consider to be a tradwife?
>>4024058>Does she herself consider to be a tradwife?I don't think she ever goes out of her way to express it in words, but she came across as happy over the life that Chujin offered her before he blue himself to death, is very "even keel" about how she looks at life, and we know one of the reasons her and starlo didn't happen was that Starlo was a bit too out there for her with his persona. As based as Starlo is, she seemed to want someone a bit more "normal".She seems to me to have some regret when she says chujin wanted a bigger family, making me think that she would have been happy with that.
>>4024011Its a Netskie
>>4024059Ceroba seems to be the one having pants in a relationship, not very trad of her
>>4024006Would fem Shu be okay with becoming a human-monster baby factory?
>>4024065>Ceroba seems to be the one having pants in a relationshipshe was fiercly loyal to Chujin, who had a pretty standard patriarchal role in their relationship from what we can see.
>>4024067>standard patriarchal roleSure... Sure...
>>4024069I think you may be letting fanfiction get the better of your memory.
>>4024071I was mostly joking. But it isn't baseless
>>4024066No, but she is built for the Shadowboxer
>>4024072we have nothing that really suggests Chujin wasn't the "man of the household" and Ceroba literally ran her life into the ground after he died, in pursuit of his wishes.I think you may be mixing up your desires to do something to chujin with base reality.
>>4024073...why the Shadowboxer?
>>4024077Ceroba is a very strong fighter who used to exercise in a gym, while Chujin is not a fighter and a nerd. "Ran her life into the ground" - that doesn't contradict it>your desiresDRY further emphasizes that too, so no. I don't really care for it myself.
>>4024078Because Val is too young, and it would be funny if she jobbed to a figment of imagination
>>4024081>Ceroba is a very strong fighter who used to exercise in a gymthose don't contradict anything I've said.>"Ran her life into the ground" - that doesn't contradict itit does because she did it at his word. She was loyal to him to a fault. >DRY further emphasizes that too, so no.he's absolutely the man of the house in DRY. it's less up to interpretation there. Being man of the house doesn't mean he's physically stronger than her, and it's a classic trope that "my wife is dangerous"
>>4024085>She was loyal to him to a faultYes? When did I say that she wasn't? I said that she had a dominant role in the relationship, that doesn't make her not loyal.
>>4024087>I said that she had a dominant role in the relationshipgoing off of nothing>that doesn't make her not loyal.the point is that she was the one "following" in the relationship.
>>4024089Atleast in DRY Chujin says multiple times that he can't stop Ceroba and knows "how she can get". She keeps making chowder and nobody is there to object
>>4024083okay, but you said she was "built" for the Shadowboxer
>>4024093that's normal wife stuff, even as far back as old black and white comedies. It's a classic line with the same kind of feeling as "my wife is going to kill me." Even if the man is the leader in the relationship, he doesn't just stop answering to his partner in crime since any relationship is supposed to go two ways. Also if she's in the "housewife" role, yeah she has control of the kitchen, that's also a thing older than the autism that drives us.
>>4024095Anon... The stereotypical idea of a "tradwife" is that she is submissive, physically weaker and takes orders from her husband.Roba is neither
>>4024099I am telling you about things that are part of that "tradwife" stereotype from the old old oldschool sitcoms that spread it around the world with the radio waves. >physically weakerthat's just because human women are by default, physically weaker than human men. Also we don't know how strong Chujin is since he's a boss monster, but he's not going to beat his wife so that she cooks something different. Again, in the classic "tradwife roll" the wife would have dominion over the kitchen. She's the one that determines what gets served at meals.
>>4024094Maybe she is also a figment of imagination?
>>4024102Who's imagination? Are they having a stand battle?
>>4024101Chujin being submissive to Ceroba is implied (atleast in DRY) even if it's just played mostly for laughs as a jokeJust compare their running animations
>>4024104Shu's? Actually, didn't we discuss something similar before already?
>>4024105>Chujin being submissive to Ceroba is implied (atleast in DRY) even if it's just played mostly for laughs as a jokeYou're welcome to interpret things however you want I guess but you're in the realm of headcanons>Just compare their running animationsHe's just a dweeb, but that doesn't mean that Ceroba doesn't follow his lead.
>>4024101Anon... The joke is that the husband is submissive, that's the point of it. An actual representation would be more of "Taming of the Shrewd"
>>4024111that's the case in a subset of things, but no the majority of the time it was played straight.
>>4024110>you're in the realm of headcanons>shows husband submitting to his wife>that doesn't count!Okay. Just don't be rude about it
>>4024114Oh, so you're illiterate. My bad.
>>4024118Don't project please. Imagine being so mad over such a trifle
we're a couple posts from falling off the board, here's a couple more art things I found recently.
>>4024119Whatever you say shitposter-kun
>>4024120
>>4024121You are the one who insulted me
>>4024122 I really hope DRYanon doesn't pull this shit on us
>>4024125Axis wouldn't turn to stone because he is one of the heroes
>>4024113You specifically mentioned sitcoms and comedies, if it was played straight wouldn't it be in serious fiction instead (where it isn't played as a joke)?
>>4024128That's my assumption, I'd just hate if we got it switched up on us and we didn't actually get more of Axis.
>>4023725>Plus Muffet's got more LV than most monsters (she has killed before has every intention of killing again), so she's got that pumping her stats.I never thought of Muffet having those stats due to a high LV, we don't know how that works with monsters but I do have plans for something involving it>The mercs are easier to fight than Papyrus or Undyne, despite having similar or higher stats.I'd say the mercs are harder than Papyrus, their bullet patterns are that much faster, Papyrus just has more variety.
>>4023970Not any more detailed than my work usually is, really.
>>4023730>Careful, block too much and she might not know who she's killing any given mission.Right, then there's those PMC that are more moral like Maverick, so its not like she can ignore everything just because she's fighting mercs.>but that she probably wouldn't be too good at sniffing out the more concerning aspects of the conspiracy by herself, I don't take her as being the detective type.Not the detective type yeah, that wasn't her specialty either.>Yeah, but not trusting him and knowing *why* she shouldn't trust him are two different things.That's what I meant, she would try to gather more data on him, she's got contacts for that, at least in UTN.>Hm, I feel like I could see her being on about Mistral's level, or maybe slightly lower than Monsoon, but actually trying to scale any of the Winds is pretty hard due to how different their fightingI think MRG powerscaling is going too off topic, let just say she's "average" among them.
>>4024144I don't think it has been confirmed that Muffet killed anybody
>>4023731>If anything, they just seem to want to keep their heads down, do their jobs, and get home alive, if that one scene is anything to go off of.I was assuming she would have access to the same resources as Armstrong, but you don't usually gain access to the riches of the person you just murdered.>Easier being anti-authority when the only authority is some big fuzzy pushover, huh?To be fair that fuzzy pushover is stronger than the entirety of his race, there's also that old turtle and the rest of the guards, being an idealist in a world like Undertale is much easier.>I love these kinds of hard scenarios, where they feel like there's no good way out, forcing them to either adapt or break in the face of them, this is what I love to see, how they behave in such cruel realities.You like seeing your scrimblos dazed, reeling and about to break? I can understand that actually, that's part of what makes the genocide route so interesting.
>>4024017>>4024019Me not playing something you like isn't "spite", fuck off.
>>4023734>If I was some other member of the WoD? Hm, dependsThe problems of taking a character from a idealistic setting and putting them on a more cynical one.>She wants Armstrong dead, I get that, but if she kills him too early, all she's done is made sure he can never do any of the good he wanted to do, and the necessary evils he committed are all made in vain. The world just gets worse, and she just takes out the one man with the power to make things better.She could cope by saying that Armstrong's plan were destined to fail, or that he could be become as bad as the system he wanted to destroy, this is if she actually goes with her plan of killing him.>And sure, she might be willing to die for her idealsShe's willing to try, regret will have to wait.>Is she willing to wake up, everyday, for the rest of her life, knowing that millions of people around the world are suffering from an oppressive system that *she* made sure wouldn't be taken down?The thing is that she would find his actions so disgusting she would try to convince herself that there must be a better way to handle it, even if it involves fighting against the entire world by herself.>She might've done it to save some kids here and there, but what about the kids whose lives are being exploited and torn apart by the system already, and who will continue to be crushed under the weight of the war economy for who knows how long now?This is the part that would bother her the most, she has always been opposed to the idea of using the system to tear down the system, which is why she never tried to join the guard.>Is that her idea of a "greater good"She's willing to take the gamble, as much as that would disappoint her mentor.>Is that her answer?Well her actual answer at first would be to laugh hysterically until she can't breath anymore, then, who knows?
>>4023737>Also, I really appreciate you telling me all this, assuming you're Naranjadev. I am.>And, while I recognize this is likely just the sadism talking, the idea of her having a mental breakdown over this is very amusing to me, seeing her will collapse after realizing she's done nothing but surrender herself to a system she despises, becoming nothing more than another tool of suffering and injustice, used to crush and kill the very people she wanted to save.This scenario turns her into a very tragic character, fitting for the Metal Gear Series.>So lovely, seeing how they tick, and how they break.>Sometimes it's harder for me to enjoy it like this, my empathy seems to fluctuate at times, but for now, this brings me joy.Well, I understand the feeling of wanting to see how a character you like would react in certain situations, its usually in these extreme circumstances when you can truly see what a character is about.
>>4024132Yes I referenced the really old school ones like leave it to beaver and the andy griffith show. The comedy was a bit more "muted" most of the time since most shows didnt have the 'pizazz' that I dream of genie did for some years. There were "out there" comedies in the era like "arsenic and old lace" that showed people were up for comedy like you expect, but a lot of the big shows were like that (ceroba is definitely more spirited than any of these characters Id say though. Genie was out there but shes too wacky to draw a line to ceroba)Even something like "I love lucy" had lucy mostly being the follower in the relationship, but the man would often get dragged into the hijinks that she was subject to
>>4023851>This isn't the first time I've noticed something like this, but every time I see the difference with Bedo's ears in her talksprite compared to her overworld sprite, I take just a bit of psychic damage.I'd say her overworld sprite is more accurate on how her rhinophores (ears/antennas) should look, I should redraw them for her portrait sprites.>This taking more than a week to finish irks me greatly.Take your time anon, there's no need to rush things.
>>4023968Technically that only applies to the western release of the game, that eastern version with the alternate soundtrack has a different song playing that's way less spooky.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKNeX1ok3uoIt's still just the game's normal boss music, but the eastern version decided to be less viscerally terrifying than the western soundtrack.
>>4024154>Technically that only applies to the western release of the game, that eastern version with the alternate soundtrack has a different song playing that's way less spooky.I know, sorry I was just assuming we were working with the western version.>It's still just the game's normal boss music, but the eastern version decided to be less viscerally terrifying than the western soundtrack.true but I feel like that coming on screen with that text in a foreign language combined with the face, all come together to make it spookier. It's a combo tthat I feel like can make any of the things in isolation spookier in memory
>>4024149NTA, but please read the conversation. It wasn't talking about you not playing DRY
>>4024156I know, but that anon in particular seemed to be.
>>4024156nta as well but I feel like it was an odd thing to just insert in there out of nowhere in the conversation.
>>4024148>To be fair that fuzzy pushover is stronger than the entirety of his race, there's also that old turtle and the rest of the guards, being an idealist in a world like Undertale is much easier.Yes, but Asgore also doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would actually be willing to kill too many monsters if they started to seriously oppose him, I think he'd likely just step down like Toriel does in some of the neutral endings if there was ever a legitimate uprising against him.So, being against Asgore isn't the most hardcore anti-authority stance in the world.>You like seeing your scrimblos dazed, reeling and about to break? I can understand that actually, that's part of what makes the genocide route so interesting.Yes, I think it provides interesting insight into how they operate, as well as just being entertaining to watch.
>>4024158Because "sounding" jokes were done before as well, so maybe he thought it would be easy to understand.>>4024157He specifically mentions in the original post that it's okay that that anon doesn't like it. He is "spiteful" because he wants DRY to succeed contrary to people who want DRY to fail
>>4024160No, I mean specifically the anon who brought me up out of nowhere, not the guy who started talking about DRY first.
>>4024163It's just that you are associated with... you know...Now you have to spitefully sound him for that in a hyperbolical cbt chamber
>>4024150>The problems of taking a character from a idealistic setting and putting them on a more cynical one.There may be issues with the idea, but I still think it's interesting to "experiment" with such things.>She could cope by saying that Armstrong's plan were destined to fail, or that he could be become as bad as the system he wanted to destroy, this is if she actually goes with her plan of killing him.Maybe, but if she kills him too early, than all she's made herself is the savior of the system she hates, by preventing him from at least dismantling it first.>She's willing to try, regret will have to wait.Interesting.>The thing is that she would find his actions so disgusting she would try to convince herself that there must be a better way to handle it, even if it involves fighting against the entire world by herself.Awfully idealist. I can respect that. I feel a similar way, just in a different direction from her, clearly.>This is the part that would bother her the most, she has always been opposed to the idea of using the system to tear down the system, which is why she never tried to join the guard.Even when it's the most effective choice, which isn't usually the case?>Well her actual answer at first would be to laugh hysterically until she can't breath anymore, then, who knows?I see.See, this is what I think makes her so interesting to me, she has a certain level of nuance and depth to her writing that makes me want to see how she would behave in all sorts of situations, she has the depth that makes those ideas interesting.Just last night, before I went to bed, I started wondering what choice she would make regarding the Closed Plan in ACFA, based on what you said about her feelings when she thinks she's in a Catch-22 situation. I can imagine how she might behave there, but the point is, I love the complexity you've given her, she's great.
One more thread till archive. Postan a couple more things if I can find them
this is something
Post axis nozzle
Not sure if this one is new but it looks like a redraw of that image where it looks like ceroba is on CCTV
Also watch out, someone is spamming the board with deltarune threads. that's why were falling off the board quicker than normal.
>>4024151>I am.Good, good.>This scenario turns her into a very tragic character, fitting for the Metal Gear Series.Yeah, I could see her being a character like that.>Well, I understand the feeling of wanting to see how a character you like would react in certain situations, its usually in these extreme circumstances when you can truly see what a character is about.Exactly, like breaking something apart to see how it works, like a clock.
>>4024153>I'd say her overworld sprite is more accurate on how her rhinophores (ears/antennas) should look, I should redraw them for her portrait sprites.Yeah, I'll try and use those sprites for reference more closely next time.>Take your time anon, there's no need to rush things.Ah, I just don't like spending so long on a single image, especially since I'm running out of time right now.
>>4024125I've already mentioned I have something in mind for darkner petrification (it was going to be shown in chapter 3 but some changes to the script pushed it to chapter 4), but don't worry it won't be like that
>>4024194That's a relief to hear, definitely makes me curious but damn it would suck to just get a "haha you thought axis was going to the dark world?" momentnothing against the comic drawer, just some kid probably drawing dry stuff, gotta appreciate that a bit personally.
>>4024187Falseflagging to try to get the threads banned here too I seeIf it comes to worse we could flee to that other site (but let's try not to)
>>4024197>Falseflagging to try to get the threads banned here too I seeit's funny because this same tactic was used when undertale first came out, but the game still has threads to this day. What autism drives a man to try to run video games he doesn't like off a board when the site is plagued by twitter nonsense and the likes?
>>4024198>What autismBecause it makes us mad, and makes him feel like he has control over something his life. Also it will be easy to do here since vrpg is a slow board
>>4024155>I know, sorry I was just assuming we were working with the western version.No, that's a fair assumption on your part, just pointing it out.>true but I feel like that coming on screen with that text in a foreign language combined with the face, all come together to make it spookier. It's a combo tthat I feel like can make any of the things in isolation spookier in memoryYeah, the western music is definitely still a factor.I still like the mental image of Bedo accidentally running into that screen late at night and getting spooked and deciding to sleep with the lights on after. I know she probably wouldn't get scared like that, but the idea is funny to me.
>>4024166While that does mildly irritate me, I don't appreciate the implication that my feelings about DRY are caused by "spite" rather than me having formed my own opinions by myself.
>>4024200>just pointing it out.ahh, fair>spoilersI kind of see it because while I work now, I did neet it up for a little while, and sometimes getting hit by something at 4 am that you just WERE NOT READY FOR can put you in that mental "spooky" zone even if you're normally a pretty steady person.>>4024202nta, if it's any consolation, as the person who started that conversation about dry this morning, I didn't have you, or really anyone here who dislikes dry in mind when I was making my posts. Disliking DRY, or anything really is just fine, it's just been sticking in my mind real bad, or good, lately thinking about the fucks who put things down to promote themselves, and I started thinking about it a bit more in depth I guess.
>>4024202If he just copied "sounding" without "spiteful" then that would probably be too obvious for a joke.
>>4024200Would Bedo lick her screen to make it look like a rainbow?
>>4024199truly a sad state of affairs. The same mindset that probably drives someone to be a jannie
>>4024209what?
>>4024205>I kind of see it because while I work now, I did neet it up for a little while, and sometimes getting hit by something at 4 am that you just WERE NOT READY FOR can put you in that mental "spooky" zone even if you're normally a pretty steady person.Yeah, it's the nature of autism.Sometimes you're completely fine in the dark, other times you feel like freddy fazbore is standing right behind you.
>>4024205>nta, if it's any consolation, as the person who started that conversation about dry this morning, I didn't have you, or really anyone here who dislikes dry in mind when I was making my posts. Disliking DRY, or anything really is just fine, it's just been sticking in my mind real bad, or good, lately thinking about the fucks who put things down to promote themselves, and I started thinking about it a bit more in depth I guess.Yeah, that's completely understandable, I just don't like that other guy who brought me up like that, you're fine.
>>4024215Reference to a flavour text in DR chapter 3
>>4024224>>4024215the wonderful flavor of tv static one of those things that makes you think "I was a weird kid" then you find out tons of other people did it.
Well, after weeks of vacillation about whether or not I should share this, I'm deciding to bite the bullet and do. I've mentioned writing this a couple times and whatnot and some anons said I should def share it. Here is the oc yapping about her past to UT and UTY characters story.https://rentry.org/q3p5ebi8I mainly wanted to do this to see how I would write character interactions and talks between canon and oc people, to see if I can realistically portray how conversations like this would go. I hope I managed to get the canon characters down mostly correctly, apologies for messing anyone up.I know this won't be up a lot of people's alley and that's fine, I've accepted that. But I do hope that at least one or two anon will find this thing neat.Anyway, I'm going to pass out now.
>>4024237I'll absolutely give it a read anon, though I can't this moment due to work. I'll give you my input when I can though
>>4024237I'll give it a read once I have time, in any case, good work finishing a fanfic, I know how hard it can be.
>>4024229So would Bedo do it?
>>4023596In what regard? Like the guy that dislikes Yagi or something else?Also someone doodled a roba and a cool goku on Noz.
>>4024243someone also doodled HIM on that site
>>4024243There's more than one person that dislikes your little critter, dont bait out arguments over nothing please.>Also someone doodled a robaNeat, I still need to go see the axis drawing
>>4024247It was in regards to like one specific nigga than a demographic of nigga.Also I'm Yagambivalent.
>>4024242She seems like she wouldn't be so weird as to do that, at least as an adult, but I do like thinking about her tongue.
>>4024250Would she do it if there was a really hot human on the screen?
>>4024251What if Bedo doesn't find humans atractive?
>>4024251Perhaps.Sidenote, that idea of Bedo have an envy-powered foot-fetish, maybe she would start licking her screen while she was doing some "anatomical studies" if she was getting really into it.
>>4024252Chujin...It is highly unlikely to be the case, since she adores human technology. She is likely saving herself for a "tradhusband"
>>4024255>She is likely saving herself for a "tradhusband"How does she expects to met her "human tradhusband" if she never leaves her house? It's not like one is going to fall from the sky
>>4024257>meanwhile...Hopefully her only ideas of tradition come from video games too.
>>4024258Bedo would probably want someone who can game on her level and it would probably be healthy for her if they were also someone who was willing to drag her out of the house from time to time even if she doesn't want to
>>4024258"tradhusband" would imply that he wants her to be a housewive, doesn't sound like something a neet would want
>>4024259>spoilerWell, I'd certainly be willing to do that for her.And beating her ass in games sounds fun too.
>>4024261No she is the deranged asocial schizoid in that equation. She sees "tradhusband"s more like their guys in the VNs she played
>>4024262>beating her assAnon... that's domestic abuse...
>>4024265They are a perfect matchHe's already acting like the tradhusband she wanted!
Also not sure how far the axis one is on the noz catalog, but I found a Val too, and maybe Quetzali, I can't tell.It's the one that says Autistic screaming on it.
>>4024263>No she is the deranged asocial schizoid in that equation.Bedo has the advantage of being atractive, at least for the anons in this thread, her chances of finding a husband just by existing are higher than normal, the real question would be how long that relationship would last if she keeps acting like a slob
>>4024262>And beating her ass in games sounds fun too.careful, Val never managed to get the wins she challenged him on! sometimes she remembers that and gets... distant. There's a certain game she has but she's always turned down the offer to play it with her. seems it means something special to her.
>>4024266With her martial arts it's likely she is the one who will be dishing it out.You are going to get beaten both in videogames and in the real world
>>4024267Post it, I dont think we've seen it
>>4024269Maybe, but I still like that conversation I had at one point about fucking her over in Stellaris or something, intentionally pissing her off sounds fun.
>>4024269Is this a reference to something?
>>4024270>With her martial arts it's likely she is the one who will be dishing it out.>small abusive neet wife who beats your ass for not cooking her chicken tendies
>>4024267>>4024271found it
>>4024273a green a while back about Bedo stopping Val from going and challenging asgore by betting he couldn't beat her in fighting games.https://rentry.org/hn7odk7m>>4024272it's funny. she'd probably have some games that she's not as good at as she expects and I think naranja anon said she was a sore loser so she'd be seething.
>>4024276Yea, I remember the green, but I didn't get "certain game" part
>>4024275>val when they clipped into entry 17 room>you two was referring to val and quetzali
>Random thread got delete>Back on Page 10this is gonna turn into another 5k sized thread isn't it
>>4024277oh for some reason I thought the specific game was mentioned in the green. My bad. there was a conversation about what games Bedo had, it must have come after the green instead of before. The idea was that she had one dbz game, it wasn't a good one, but val wanted to play it real bad so she said she'd play it if he could get a single perfect win (or something like that). the idea was that he ended up leaving to fight asgore before they got to play that game together, and so sometimes bedo plays that really bad game all by herself.
>>4024280it wasnt a random thread, it were 2 false flagging DR threads
>>4024280I hope it was that false flag deltarune thread
>>4024282There are still 3 other Deltarune threads up to be fair, makes it hard to notice a couple of them being deleted.
>>4024276>it's funny. she'd probably have some games that she's not as good at as she expects and I think naranja anon said she was a sore loser so she'd be seething.Yeah, I just like the idea of fucking her over in a game and hearing her suddenly start yelling from another room or something before she promptly comes to kick my ass.
So, we're once again at the point of simply existing until a new thread is created on the board, eh?At least we still have some images left.
>>4024297>simply existingWhy are you waiting for a new thread? Post what you want to discuss now!
>>4024297we did a solid job of pacing ourselves this time on the images, but yeah there's no reason to not discuss things.I've got the chujin autism bubling in my skull again personally.
>>4024299Well, I don't actually have a whole lot to discuss at the moment, just pointing out how the thread is at the very bottom of the board again.
>>4024300Chujin and Clover (forma de gun)
>>4024300>I've got the chujin autism bubling in my skull again personally.Respectable.I've had a few characters bouncing around my head for a bit recently, mostly because I'm still thinking about what I want to work on for my next drawing.I also spent some time thinking about miscellaneous stuff about Reynault last night because of course I did, he's fun to think about.
>>4024301We actually jumped up a page due to deleted threads
>>4024304Yeah, but there's nothing below us anymore, so we're further down than anyone else.
>>4024305nta but I THINK it still takes the same number of threads to push us off the board as it would have otherwise.
Quetzali is very good at physics
>>4024308She got interested in physics because she will never know what it feels like when her breasts bounce
>>4024309Actually it's because she wanted to do super precise OOB tricks. If she had breasts she wouldn't be able to do them...
>>4024311>If she had breasts she wouldn't be able to do them...So this is how she copes with being a chestlet, she would be happier if she had bigger breasts, and if her snake form had boobs as well
>>4024312NTA, but her snake form having big boobs would get in the way of constriction.
>>4024313Her body is pretty long, the boobs wouldn't get that much in the way, unless they are that massive
>>4024314It would be harder for her to wrap around you
>>4024316Harder but not impossible
>>4024318I was looking for that very image
>>4024318She would have to drag her honkers all around you.>secret roomOOB reference?
>>4024318I think the boobs are just superfluous at that point, I'd rather she has boobs in her anthro form only, while her snake form is more snake-like.
>>4024323I agree but it's still a funny image and>>4024322>OOB referencethat's fantastic.
>>4024323I don't like boobs on feral snakes either, I was just playing devil's advocate, also I found this while looking for examples of feral snakes with boobs
>>4024325I can't believe you just spoiled Naranjadev's design concepts for Quetzali's super form, how could you?
>>4024326>>4024325Zenith quetzalior maybe Nadir Quetz. we know what the best a monster can be is, now we learn what the worst is.
>>4024326That's her aunt
>>4024326>>4024327So we all agree that super forms give female monsters bigger boobs?
>>4024329No, just this one.Asriel got a bigger ass though.
>>4024329it depends on the super form, you see in zenith that implies rising or top so they lose the tits to rise higherbut nadir form is weight down by their tits into the pits of darkness.
Quetzali switches her big $$$$ing chest (destroys buildings in metropolis) You Guys!!!
So, theoretically speaking, if someone made a new thread right now, this thread would be archived?
>>4024333no, most likely it would not be due to the deleted threads.then there's the possibility that other threads were deleted that we didn't notice.
>>4024331>so they lose the tits to rise higherSig begs to differ
>>4024336well first of all sig operates on unique and powerful physics that bend to his willand second, I was just making a stupid joke about heavy nadir tits.
>>4024336Then beg.
>>4024324Would Quetzali invite val to a "secret room"?
>>4024342>Would Quetzali invite val to a "secret room"?She would show him an OOB room only she knows about, then proceed to explain to him the lore of the backwards long jump, invented by the famous explorer "Togore Backwards" back in 19XX
>>4024159>>4024169>So, being against Asgore isn't the most hardcore anti-authority stance in the world.I know, her problems are mostly with the guard not with Asgore himself, that's why I said being an idealist there was much easier.>There may be issues with the idea, but I still think it's interesting to "experiment" with such things.I wasn't complaining, just making a comment, I too think its a neat experiment.>Maybe, but if she kills him too early, than all she's made herself is the savior of the system she hates, by preventing him from at least dismantling it first.You would have to convince her that her cope is wrong for that to affect her.>I can respect that. I feel a similar way, just in a different direction from her, clearly.Wouldn't be the first time her ideals have lead her to burning bridges, at the very least, I can say she would respect you for truly believing that this is the best way to deal with the system.>Even when it's the most effective choice, which isn't usually the case?She can be very stubborn, Luzma doesn't like the idea of playing by the system's rules, I imagine there can be a set of conditions in which she could be willing to use the system in her favor, but I don't see it happening in the context of MG.>See, this is what I think makes her so interesting to me, she has a certain level of nuance and depth to her writing that makes me want to see how she would behave in all sorts of situations, she has the depth that makes those ideas interesting.>I can imagine how she might behave there, but the point is, I love the complexity you've given her, she's great.Thanks, honestly, if it weren't for these threads I'm not sure how "complex" Luzma (and some of my other characters) would be, this place has really led me to think more on character details in general, even before I posted the first description for Luzma.
>>4024333no because we are on page 10, not 11and even page 11 can hold 2 or 3 threads, just wait until the thread dies naturally
>>4024345yeah, there's no need for a new thread, we still got plenty of images left
>>4024343>Togore BackwardsDid Toriel and Asgore disown him?
>>4024344>I know, her problems are mostly with the guard not with Asgore himself, that's why I said being an idealist there was much easier.Yeah, but they still act on his authority, so it's just less direct for her.>You would have to convince her that her cope is wrong for that to affect her.But if the consequences of keeping the current system in place aren't enough to convince her, what would?Does she truly care for the people she seeks to save, or is she more loyal to her ideals than to actually doing any good in the world?>Wouldn't be the first time her ideals have lead her to burning bridges, at the very least, I can say she would respect you for truly believing that this is the best way to deal with the system.Well, if this context has both me and her in this situation, I can imagine this bridge-burning's going to be a particularly violent one.I can't imagine she'd be willing to let someone stand in her way over something like this, and I couldn't stand by and let her throw the fate of the world in the trash over her ideals.In a better world, she'd be right. But this isn't that world.>She can be very stubborn, Luzma doesn't like the idea of playing by the system's rules, I imagine there can be a set of conditions in which she could be willing to use the system in her favor, but I don't see it happening in the context of MG.Understandable, just very limiting. That's not a critique of her as a character by the way, I mean that in a good way. I think her having these sorts of ideals, even if they may not be the best in every scenario, is actually pretty good character writing, like how the BoS in the original Fallout games were well-meaning but ultimately misguided people unintentionally doing more harm than good, it's more interesting than just having them be straight-forwardly good people or outright villains.
>>4024344>Thanks, honestly, if it weren't for these threads I'm not sure how "complex" Luzma (and some of my other characters) would be, this place has really led me to think more on character details in general, even before I posted the first description for Luzma.Well, I'm glad these threads have spurred you to flesh them out a bit more, I think they've all turned out well so far.
Bero
The lineart is done. Wanted to have it done last night, but I was already up until nine by then, so I decided I'd just finish off the remaining bits today.All that's left is coloring, shading, and maybe some minor details if I've forgotten anything.I had something I wanted to say about how I appreciate the characterization from the thread original characters around here, as well as for how people here tend to treat them, but it struck me that it would be the most ridiculous thing in the world to say on this fucking post of all things, so I'll probably talk about it later.For now, the work continues.
>>4024353looks clean, keep it up anon.
>>4024355Thanks, I'm keeping at it.
This is a very specific and kinda ridiculous question, but I've been thinking about it for a bit now, along with other things I've been thinking about with Bedo.How do you think she'd react to being hugged by someone she likes, like, a partner of hers?I've thought about it a bit, and for some reason, I can't help but feel like she'd initially act annoyed at first, before eventually starting to break down and hold onto you herself, burying her face in your chest as she cries. I know she's probably not that bad, but I can't help but see her as being desperately touch-starved and craving physical affection, even something simple like that.
>>4024366>I've thought about it a bit, and for some reason, I can't help but feel like she'd initially act annoyed at first, before eventually starting to break down and hold onto you herself, burying her face in your chestIf you are her partner, would she really be annoyed from a hug? Her reacting so strongly sounds nice too, I bet she feels really soft to hug
>>4024353She looks really pretty, nice job anon> but it struck me that it would be the most ridiculous thing in the world to say on this fucking post of all things, so I'll probably talk about it later.What better way to show how much you appreciate these characters than with some (lewd) fanart?
>>4024374>If you are her partner, would she really be annoyed from a hug?Fair point, I was mostly thinking about it like she might not be used to being hugged like that and therefore might find it unusual at first before she comes around to it.>Her reacting so strongly sounds nice too, I bet she feels really soft to hugShe's probably quite squishy, being a sea bunny.I bet having her hold on tighter and press into you would feel strange, since her arms would also be a bit squishier than a human's, but it would probably still be nice.And of course, the idea of having her sob into your chest as you hold and comfort her is also very nice, she deserves nice things.
We're on page 11. One more week, and we'll be pruned.
I'm up for a hard fight but Geno Ceroba really grinds my gears. Too much stuff thrown at once, from bullets patterns to gameplay mechanics.At least I'm not as bad as I used to be.
>>4024378>She looks really pretty, nice job anonThank you, I'm glad she looks good.>What better way to show how much you appreciate these characters than with some (lewd) fanart?Perhaps, but it's somewhat difficult to talk about how much I like certain specific things while drawing stuff like this, I probably should draw some more normal stuff every now and then.
>>4024381I had forgot how you can PROCEED Flowey in UTY
>>4024389>PetalGrave?>cmon clover, i dont know THAT one!
>>4024303you can always depend on a fox to weasel his way in the ol noggin.
>>4024379You see her looking more blue than usual so you hug her from behind, at first she tries to resist but quickly melts from the contact, her complaints are replaced with a sigh of relief and maybe some sniffing from the tears building up>bet having her hold on tighter and press into you would feel strange, since her arms would also be a bit squishier than a human's, but it would probably still be nice.I like the idea of her still having some muscles in her arms from her martial arts days, maybe they are a bit more solid than the rest of her body, everything else would feel like hugging a water pillow>And of course, the idea of having her sob into your chest as you hold and comfort her is also very nice, she deserves nice things.Neet girls deserves some love too, so maybe one day she can chase her dream again
>>4024395Clever beasts, they are.I'd draw him more, but I think I've developed the same issue I have with Ceroba, not wanting to get them wrong so I end up not drawing them as much.
>>4024396>You see her looking more blue than usual so you hug her from behind, at first she tries to resist but quickly melts from the contact, her complaints are replaced with a sigh of relief and maybe some sniffing from the tears building upPerfect, exactly what she needs.Though, she really shouldn't be moved to tears by *every* hug. Clearly she needs a lot more where that came from, so she can get used to it.>I like the idea of her still having some muscles in her arms from her martial arts days, maybe they are a bit more solid than the rest of her body, everything else would feel like hugging a water pillowYeah, it just wouldn't feel like she has her arms locked around you like she's about to suplex you.>Neet girls deserves some love too, so maybe one day she can chase her dream againOf course, she needs love and support, no matter how much she just wants to give up and stay inside forever.
>>4024405>Clearly she needs a lot more where that came from, so she can get used to it.She's small, imagine lifting her up and taking her to the bed or couch, cuddles are better than hugs, maybe she'll fall asleep in your arms after having a good cry
>>4024411>She's smallYes, but don't tell her that.>imagine lifting her up and taking her to the bed or couch, cuddles are better than hugs, maybe she'll fall asleep in your arms after having a good cryYes, I will imagine that, that sounds nice.I also imagined her being surprised at being picked up like that initially, making some cute noise out of shock.
>>4024411>>4024412>You hug bedo while lifting her up >She tries to complain>Her small size makes it easy to raise her over your head>She's about to unleash her gamer rage on you>her complaints are replaced with moans once your tongue finds the space between her legs>She can't help but push your head further among moans >and insults
>>4024415Damn anon, that's some good stuff.Not where I initially thought this would all go, but certainly a pretty good place for things to end up, though I can think of a few places I'd want to put my tongue when it comes to her..Probably not a bad idea for how I could handle her when I get around to doing her cunnilingus pic too...
so is cooking with kindness' good ending gonna be you cooking a pie so good that it reminds Asgore of Toriel's cooking so he lets you live or?
Hey Naranja anon, I went ahead and wrote up a little rentry on some feedback specifics. I sectioned off some things that you could work on next time you write, but also some things that I thought you did really well.https://rentry.org/wofzugkoI tried not to pick apart every little thing, but those are a handful of things to consider at your leisure.
>>4024444No, you bake a pie so bad Asgore kills you on the spot and doesn't even feel bad about it.
>>4024149It was a word sound alike joke, anon. I was playing, didn't actually mean anything by it. I know you don't actually hold any ill will towards DRY or those scrimblos you sexually torture (affectionately)
>>4024021Yes, I probably should've made a red circle meme out of it instead, but I didn't want to find and save that Chujin image just so I could make a cropped porn joke with it
>>4024066She would eagerly embrace the affection it'd bring her (and the affection you'd give her while making her one).
>>4024073No, she's built for me.
>>4024125I would accept it if it were used to introduce new party members. Though the magic doors should be able to sidestep this issue, since it takes time for a darkner to turn to stone. Could just refresh him every now and then so he stays living.
>>4024144>we don't know how that works with monsterI don't see why it wouldn't work like that for monsters. Their attacks are just as affected by their own harmful intent as a human's are, I don't see why HP wouldn't be the same.>I'd say the mercs are harder than Papyrus, their bullet patterns are that much faster,Their fights are way shorter, and their turns are shorter too. >>4024147She seems pretty casual about planning on eating Alphys, and about killing Frisk (not even because he's human, but just because she wants the money), and that one guy in her shop is deathly terrified of her, and she has a massive web fit for catching large monsters. The preponderance of evidence points towards her eating people.
>>4024183the fluoride stare
>>4024229Did you not have the brains to at least spit on your finger rather than putting your tongue directly on that dusty ass TV set?
>>4024242She'd just touch it to get the same effect. Slugs do leave trails after all.
>>4024471Hah, I probably did both.
>>4024265No, just rough sex (she's into it)
>>4024302>Gunhat:>Without the hat... Does anyone actually get what I'm referencing? I want to know who actually saw that dialogue in Undertale.
>>4024300What gags would Oyajin tell?
>>4024312I would certainly be happier if she did.
>>4024313>not smothering him with her massive snilkersngmi
>>4024326Quetzali (forma teta)>>4024327>nadirIts an old idea, but I still feel that name should be taken by amalgam Kanako from that one UFY genocide route idea where she's the final boss.
>>4024347He was so secret, they didn't even know they had him.
>>4024485>Its an old idea, but I still feel that name should be taken by amalgam Kanako from that one UFY genocide route idea where she's the final boss.that would be really cool. Nadir is already a 'good' word, but it's also really fitting for something like ufy
>>4024481god, my brain is far too gone to think of japanese jokes that would be even worse in english but I should go hunting for some sometime.
>>4024444Asgore eats the pie, cries, then kills you anyways.
>>4024488The idea there is that Kanako becomes the absolute worst a monster can become, a monster in the truest since of the word. Something so sick it can't even die.
>>4024493even more so that's fitting as something that could happen in a "fell" setting.I mean it's terrible and please do not, but it's appropriate.
>>4024498And the worst part was how it was Chujin who did it to her, as a last ditch attempt to save her from Clover. Only for her to start melting before his eyes. Then for him to get gunned down by Clover right in front of her.
>>4024501I think I remember finding a green about that I wish the person who has a vision for UFY would do more writing on it
>>4024503I only had the one idea for the one scene. I do wish that Frankenstein Complex writer would pick up writing again though, that looked promising.
>>4024504>I do wish that Frankenstein Complex writer would pick up writing again though,Huh, I should take a peek at that, though I guess I should keep my hopes in check on whatever chapter it is.
>>4024505Its dead and probably never coming back, and only had the one chapter. It just looked promising is all and I wish he would get over that autism he has about people "picturing the characters wrong".
>>4024381I also don't like the Zartlet fight. Hell of a bullet spam.But anyway, who is this guy?
>>4024506>Its dead and probably never coming back, and only had the one chapter.ah rip>It just looked promising is all and I wish he would get over that autism he has about people "picturing the characters wrong".ahh, a special kind of autism.>>4024517the watcher
>>4024518but I 'ardly know 'er
>>4024448I would rather that not be the primary thing I'm known for, especially since I didn't even make it for these threads to begin with, and that joke barely even worked.
>>4024522>I would rather that not be the primary thing I'm known for,hence why I didn't use your main title or your secondary one. As far as the discussion is concerned, those are two separate personas, like Burce Wayne and Batman, only a lunatic would think that they are one and the same.>and that joke barely even worked.Anyways yeah, would've worked better as a red circle gag
>>4024523>hence why I didn't use your main title or your secondary one. As far as the discussion is concerned, those are two separate personas, like Burce Wayne and Batman, only a lunatic would think that they are one and the same.That doesn't work if everyone already knows I'm responsible for that image.
>>4024524The proper decorum is to simply choose not to think about that.
>>4024526I would simply prefer not to be known for just that, and not to be brought up into discussion topics that have nothing to do with me, or that I actively dislike.
>>4024237alright it took a while before I was able to sit down and read this. I honestly liked the beginning a good deal. You've smoothed out your writing -significantly- from when you first started writing, though I'll be honest the story does get into being an info dump after a point. The lore is interesting, and feels like a world that would make a great campaign setting, but the way she tells the story feels like it goes out of it's way to add details at times rather than to get the point across.your writing has gotten a lot more 'clear' and so it wasn't difficult to read through it or anything, but it felt like we were trying to make sure all the relevant information was told, rather than what someone like her might be paraphrasing to tell some curious people she was sharing the evening with, if that makes sense.You did good breaking up the dialogue with movements and actions, though I think you created new paragraphs sometimes when there was no reason to (Jackie started talking, new paragraph, she continues talking about the same point she was talking about). Martlet, for the little dialogue she had, felt like Undyne felt a little stiff at times. Gerson felt right, I felt like he'd be extra curious about all these things going on, leaning closer to observe things and maybe prod at questions other people wouldn't have.I want to ask, Is Jackie supposed to come across as formal or informal in her dialogue? Her and undyne both came across as formal at times for not using contractions.I kind of like the idea of starlo having a bit of a "well shucks, I kinda wish I didn't hear all of that" moment towards the end.I do ultimately think this was neat, so I'm sorry if my criticism is a bit of a bummer.And now I as well sleep. I'll re-read over it when I've had some more sleep
>>4024531First of all, thanks for reading and giving some feedback, anon. Always appreciated even if this isn't that involved with the whole ut and dr shebang. After you wake up, I would like some explanation by,what you meant with your first point. I realize it was very info dump-y, sadly with what I wanted to write, there was no way in my mind to avoid that. So it's why I tried to break it up.About Jackie being formal or not, that's on me. I defaulted to a more proper speech to her (that's usually reserved for Nahir only, tho here he was just emotional support dog ), as I wasn't sure her using lingo would have really went well with the topic at hand.I'm not sure what you mean by Martlet, I get the feeling a word or two was left out there, or you meant to aay she was stiff like Undyne felt at times? (Which is a good feedback. I did make her perhaps a tad too mellow and subdued but I figured time on the surface in peace, as well as the heavy topic I felt wouldn't make sense if she constantly shouted or called people punks there.)Overall, I'm happy that yiu found this neat and I hope this was a good snippet into my oc stuff, even if it was a bit rough around the edges.
Deltarune yellow weird run spoilers: Kanako is gonna rape cole in the last day as repayment for all theyve done
