Is she really the last secret boss?
>>4152504Last Shadow Crystal holder, yes. Not last secret boss obviously. You have to imagine 7B being a secret part of the game that not everyone will look for, so whatever bosses that may be faced there can be safely considered secret.
>>4152504Vote for Queen of /v/! https://forms.gle/JgckKttCRPuzNrQV7Password is "AK-12"
>>4152530>Really?Yes!Now good night for you and your mewers
>>4152504PinkCHADS won.
Fix deltarune or someone else will fix it by the time it's all said and done
This thread will be under the blessings of the cisgender heterosexual age equal mutual love parent supported dream achieving non problematic gem that is Dessriel
>>4152563>someone else will fix itNot canon.>b-butNot canon and pure fanfiction. If Toby rapes us all, we just accept it and move on.Just like SnKfags were raped by the ending.Just like FF7fags were raped by that terrible remake.Just like GoTfags were raped by the author never finishing the fucking story.Just like Berserkfags were raped by Miura dying.Just like we get raped day after day by life, God, fate, whatever.That's life. Still, I hape hope for chapter 6 and 7 being kino. Will I get raped? Who knows?
>the most active DR youtuber can't shut up about his Kris = Vessel theoryThis fandom has brain damage.
>>4152563Nobody with the chops to make something a third as good as Deltarune can agree on what needs to change.No, I don't care that your preferred ship is more based, how many new enemies do you intend to code? New events? New sprites and animations? New dialogue?
>>4152567Fuck canon, who gives a shit?
>>4152570You do. What? Are you going to lie and tell me that you don't want to see if Kriselle becomes canon in the end?
>>4152571If it makes my job easier yes, i would like to see kriselle become canon.Said job would still require nuking the shite from chapter 5 from orbit as is If not, there the whole game can be changed, beginning to end
>>4152574And then you're no longer playing the Deltarune everyone else cares about.
>>4152580I don't give a shit. I don't care about the suselle shite that was shoved into my eyes, and anyone who cares about that is an idiot.
>>4152567The True End is gonna be Toby thanking us for watching le dream, and then, just as he said through Gerson in Deltarune, just as he said in the 10th anniversary, he'll invite you to have your own dreams, to make your own versions of the stories you love.Even if everyone else seethes and cries about your Chad Deltarune for Straight People, you still have Toby's blessing.
>>4152583I don't care about it either. That doesn't mean I like your bullshit any better.
>>4152568drtubers are retarded, news at 11
>>4152079 maybe kris deserves to be hurt by the prophecy with how much he likes to torture people and ruin everyone's fun just because he can't take a little sacrifice to make everybody's lives better, we could've had a deltarune where noelle sucked our vessel off every 5 seconds while black ralsei burns every bitch in our way to a crisp but noo, kris had to allow the knight to ack undyne and asgore and offer themselves up as soul plapmeat so that they can kill susie and ralsei but then they complain and beat us up and try to ack themselves with seeds making the plan all for nothing because he can't even commit to the villain bit so we have to deal with a shitty bpd protagonist who cant commit to shit and will likely be forgiven and emotionally jerked off by the others once the story ends while throwing the soul to the trash bin and acting like this is better or more fun than the soulelle rape route, gaster is the true misunderstood hero of the series because he's on our side, many like to think he would oppose us or that he would pump tons of coke into sans to beat us, but canonically he'd cheer us on and offer us a way to keep going and win if we got hit by one of those fangames with a "you lose and sans breaks the barrier!" ending, i will side with gaster in chapter 7 and kill kris, susie, ralsei, berdly, noelle and the knight so that i can play the new game+ with my vessel, noelle, eram and whoever would be the 4th party member supporting me at every corner and asking me what i wanna do and going along with it.
>>4152121 fun fact, one of the rules brought up to make a good mystery story is to make the culprit someone who appeared within the first two hours of the story, guess which holiday appears as soon as ch1's start and requires you to speak with them to progress? that's right, noelle knight is a properly set up twist villain
>>4152148the protagonists are also robbed of their agency, see the aborted weird run lake scene
>>4152603there's also that little tidbit about noelle seeing smiles in the electrical outlets on her blog which we see first hand in the basement of queen's mansion
https://x.com/Bokkeum12/status/2119102492638319079Chara fans continue to be godforsaken perverts
holy shit the lore
>>4152618Why ants though?
>>4152522Vote also for the UTDR girls in Next 128!https://forms.gle/VJnNaSqNDjQ4VQa16Password: Mai Shiranui
>>4152621>If Kris and Pink both win they will have to face each other in the second round Funny!
>>4152504Maybe. Lately I've been thinking if 6 will even have a secret boss, it's likely that it won't. At least more than people think.
>>4152621>Frisk got series limited out of this tournament Goddammit. That rule keeps haunting me
>>4152566Dessriel is Chasriel but boring.
>>4152568Spookydude was never good.
>>4152618I saw this before but I didn't think it was sexual but I guess the comments saw as it. Damn.
>>4152567Honestly as long as I can kill or otherwise ruin every major character's life in 7B, I'll be happy.
>>4152637Any ship that's not toxic/angsty/abusive is boring to this fandom
>>4152646True!
asriel dumped the smelly pedo deer and moved onto college they/them pussy
>>4152669he's going to come home with his future boss monster wife
>>4152563Just wait for the post 7/7B era of the fandom, there will be plenty of fix fics from the raped
The Player can cheat, but doesn't. Does this mean that Player also holds back, just like Ralsei and Kris?
>>4152669I can confirm this happened in my Deltarune.
>>4152674Yes. You could be giving Susie a 1000 HP yet you don't do it.Although if the Player doesn't hold back against the Knight you straight up crash the game which in Undertale terms usually meant you destroyed the world.
>>4152674The player is limited by Toby's design.
>>4152674>giving yourself six shadow mantles to fight the Knightvery possible indeed
>>4152567As someone who genuinely despises getting raped by Toby on a regular basis and would gladly touch him, this.A "fixed" CH7 or 7B would be no different from some random theory or fanfic you could read right now. It wouldn't reflect the creator's vision and would therefore be fundamentally worthless. I'd rather get raped by Toby than have a "good" ending written by some fag who got raped even harder than I did.
>the one thing clarified in chapter 6 is Gaster's canon design which only shows up at the very end as a cliffhanger what would you think?
>>4152710Any Gaster stuff is 7B material, 7A at best.
>>4152710Depends on the chapter's general quality and how cool Gaster looks
>>4152715define quality
>>4152714My beautiful loli wife...
>>4152715degree of excellence : how good, bad, useful, etc. something ismaybe search it up next time
>>4152718Noelle, that's an old pic of Kris and you're 17 now.Move on, you're literally dating Susie.
https://youtu.be/dkTYPljs4I4
the mikefication of knight discourse on twitter is getting stronger yet stronger chapter 6 is gonna hit them like a nuke
>>4152720SHUT UPPPP
>>4152710Unironically extremely hyped if it's mystery man
>>4152724Turns out FRIEND was actually these three idiots inside a giant cat costume.>Oh, hey, boss! Haha, sorry about biting you yesterday and stuff...And ERAM was Lancer under a blanket, doing his best impression of an evil demon to impress Susie.
>>4152618https://x.com/motonoyoi_/status/2119769005926097365Krisfags are also perverts
>>4152721Kris and Noelle Snowgraved Dess Omori style.
>>4152618>>4152730Frisk continues to be the pure maiden out of all of them.
>>4152724What's happening? Dess Knighters fighting everyone else?
>>4152730I'm not a pervert I just want to fucking die
>>4152735So a pervert
>>4152734It's mainly dess knighters and rudy knighters shit flinging
>>4152724lmao, how bad it's getting these days? i dunno why dess knighters get so offended when they're the most likely one to win, i guess the fandom is in ultra safe mode to prevent getting raped by any theory, i remember how people hated kriselle knight
>>4152737I was once hit by a car while riding a motorcycle with a friend, and I still can't recall what happened, just that I woke up all happy in the hospital thinking I was dead. I think that would have been a good way to die.I bet getting stomped by a giant Kris would be the same, and if I die I'd like it to be that way.
>>4152739Yeah, Dess Knighters are basically acting as if their theory is canon while Rudy Knighters are becoming very aggressive against them
The smelly smeller
>>4152740>how bad it's getting these days?Today I saw someone claiming rudy knighters are misogynistic.The other day I saw someone preemptively say "someone in the future will make a bad video essay claiming the game had always been bad" as defense for the ending.Also a bunch of arguing around chapter 5.
>>4152744The one thing i hate the most is the fags completely confident that Deltarune will end in a "EVERYTHING IS FAKE LIKE THE DARK WORLDS" themes and such ending.
>>4152746Well that definitely seems to be one of the points the game is making, the light world might play by less fictional rules but it's still part of the fiction. Either way I doubt that'll be the whole point of the ending.
>>4152744No matter the ending a good chunk of the fanbase will hate it. It is inevitable for long running episodic releases.
>>4152747I think the light world is at best like Undertale, a world where there are elements that make it work similiarly to a videogame.Also device theory still lives on for me
>>4152724
>>4152566>>4152637When did Fat!Asriel become the defacto representation of him?
>>4152741Here's Kris stomping on the Soul just for (You) then.https://x.com/motonoyoi_/status/2119830294308233285
>>4152758Thanks, I’ll download it and put it inside the secret folder.
https://x.com/deltarunech7b/status/2119829869932716241
>>4152765>look to the right>Mike>Found her>VesselThese people just cannot keep it in their fucking pants when they try to fake shit can they
>>4152766It's a joke/parody leak
>>4152757That artist usually draws him as fit in the Undertale Chasriel images so I think it might just be a joke.
What do we think of this?https://x.com/Creative_Name65/status/2119451627665105265
>>4152769I can tell it's going to get a lot of angry replies from people who think the original is clearly just a sword and nothing else.
>>4152769>>4152772Actually that is a good question. So, let's start from the premise that the thing that the Knight holds at the beginning is not a bat. What is that thing, exactly? Why does it have that shape, and how does it tie into the Knight as a character?
>>4152776It's a big sword.
>>4152776It's just a sword. It disobeys the rules of every other Knight sprite for no particular reason. It is shaped differently than it is in any other frame for no particular reason. The knight makes multiple differently shaped constructs for no particular reason.... yeah, I don't think this is a particularly strong argument, but it's what I've seen.
>>4152772>>4152778>>4152776everyone always forgets there is a unused animation in game with the knight summoning the sword and multiple frames of it being more katana like before the team changed ittoby deliberately changed it to be bat shaped for some reason
>>4152778Here's a different argument then, is the sword apart of the armour or a thing fully separate? Because if its the latter you can kinda try to argue its just the knight wielding dess's bat for... *insert reason here*Not saying I agree with this stupid reasoning but you can make a case for it
>>4152782Why would the bat become an actual sword when seconds prior it was a bat shaped sword?Why would the bat, when taking damage, drop a chip of black glass that stays as a chip of black glass in the light world? Did Susie not really damage the Knight's weapon at all, but its armor? At this point you'd have to claim that what's visible on screen is completely unreliable information, and if you go that far you may as well argue the knight doesn't really have a helmet and you already know who it is.
>>4152781almost certainly to misdirect remember that there are a lot of unused sprites that seem to hint at things not yet revealed in game, like noelle's pills in ch2
>>4152783the critical flaw with the knight's weapon being a bat is that we have explicit confirmation that it's a) the black knife itself, and b) that it's made out of an opaque glassmy personal theory is that it's an obsidian knife, likely just decorative and not meant to be used, hence why it seems so prone to chippingit possibly pairs with kris' knife
The cracked bat is a weapon in Earthbound.
>>4152791I'm not 100% confident the knife physically exists. The knight is only meant to fight in the dark world either way, and it can summon blades that seem to be made of the same stuff as its armor.
>>4152792and dess is ness, who is sans and was originally asrielso what?
>>4152786But why that particular shape though? A misdirection is meant to make someone arrive at an erroneous conclusion, but what is this erroneous conclusion?
>>4152795this is toby we're dealing with every single chapter has ended on a misdirect at this point, what's another one?it could also have been because of a memory, remember that the 'bat' is part of the 'sepia' grouping, which are the flashback sprites
>>4152795>well it's not "the knight is Dess" because she's too obscure!>it has to be Carol who you haven't met yet at this point and also by all appearances hated everything Dess liked>or maybe Rudy who has shown no special affinity for baseball aside from probably having been supportive of Dess>or Noelle who is in the same fucking place as Rudy except we also have a route where we completely mindbreak her and the knight continues to behave as normal
>>4152799but what about undyne frozened in ice?only one character is known to have that power
If there is one thing I am hoping chapter 6 brings it's Total NoelleKnigger Death.
>>4152804The Knight has several snowflake shaped bullets.
>>4152812who will call the girl who snows?
>DessKniggers are still using the obvious side-view sword as their only evidence because "MUH BAT">>4152769>Using a sprite edit deliberately manipulated by a seething DessKnigger to make his own theory seem more credibleCool, I can do it too. So picrel 100% proves without a shadow of doubt that Dess isn't the knight, right?Genuinely baffling how DessKniggers spend 90% of their time trying to throw shit at other theories instead of actually making an effort to make their own sound even remotely believable.
>>4152820The left "sword" is blunt.>IT'S JUST A FRONT VIEWThe black pixels are rounded. They're pointed in the other sprites.
>>4152748I'm quite sure most people liked the breaking bad ending
Let's make something clear once and for all, the snowflakes or crystals in that one Knight attack are actually stars, and there's proof of it. Take a look at the sprite names for the Knight's boss fight in Chapter 3>https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1PXBkv1_sK2CvRC8NUDUXVFwaxKioSc6vThe ones for that particular snowflake/crystal attack are called "spr_knight_bullet_star". But that is not all, take a look at the Shadow Mantle, it allows the wearer to take less damage from the Knight's attacks, and what does the description of the Shadow Mantle say? "Greatly protects against Dark and Star attacks.". Not only that, but one of its effects in the stat screen is the shield symbol followed by Dark/Star. One more thing, the flavor text between turns in the Knight's boss fight tells you what attack is coming up next, and a piece text that can come up before the star attack is " You felt lightheaded. You saw golden stars...".Remember, they're stars.
>>4152821Delusional cope that I won't even bother dignifying with a proper argument. CH6 better finally reveal the Knight's identity because DessKniggers' cope will never actually die unless the Knight personally looks at the screen and tells them that they're wrong. And even then, I wouldn't put it past you to somehow twist that into yet another convoluted justification for why Dess is still the Knight.You faggots are genuinely a cancer to this board and practically every discussion involving the game, flooding threads with increasingly contrived delusions and an obsessive fixation on deliberately ambiguous sprites while conveniently disregarding every single piece of evidence that contradicts your theory. At this point you're not even trying to construct a coherent argument anymore. You're just desperately working backwards from a conclusion you've already convinced yourselves must be true, dismissing anything that doesn't fit your preconceived narrative.I don't even have a particular theory I want to be right. I just want you niggers to get so horrendously BTFO'd that you'll be too ashamed to show your faces on this board for the entire first month after release. And knowing how utterly incapable you are of admitting that you might have been wrong, I'm already expecting the inevitable meltdown about how Toby suddenly forgot how to write a compelling mystery and how your precious theory would've made for a vastly superior narrative.
What's the meta implications of Gaster having three copies of the world
>>4152832Three copies?
>>4152830I was gonna say I'll enjoy watching your posts here crying when Dess is finally revealed to be the Knight, but I know you're too cowardly to actually publicly admit you were wrong, you'll just shut up and seethe in silence.
>>4152827Asriel Knight winning.
>>4152830That's a lot of seethe for one post. Maybe you should use that energy on writing up a theory for your favourite candidates instead of letting DessKnight live rent free in your head until you get an aneurysm.
>>4152835Yes three VHS or somethingWith WR being one of them put backwards
>>4152840What.I thought you meant the save files not the routes.
>>4152832In the festival sans fills in the places of 3 people so there's definitely something weird going on with that number + skelly bros.
>>4152842
>>4152836>More delusionEven if that ends up happening, I don't have my entire identity and self-esteem on the line, so I will be able to admit to being wrong just fine, unlike you.>>4152838>SEETHE IS WHEN I GET CALLED OUT FOR BEING AN OBNOXIOUS AND CONDESCENDING ASSHOLE IN EVERY THREAD!!!!!Ask yourself why virtually every Non-DessKnighter is open to entertaining other theories yet absolutely despises DessKnight and its supporters. Perhaps if you troons hadn't spent the entirety of the post-CH3 discourse with your heads shoved so far up your own asses and hadn't acted as though your theory had been objectively and irrefutably confirmed, people might actually hold you in higher regard and even respect your theory.
>>4152844I LOVE EVIL LOLI KRIS.
>>4152846
>>4152841Those are related. Though WR is weird (pun entirely intended) because it doesn't take a save file slot which raises its whole lot of questions.
>>4152847Imagine if Rudy is alive and throughout Chapter 6 he slowly starts to recover, but then Kris force-feeds him the golden seeds at the end and he dies.
>>4152843The don't forget photos are even stranger because if we are to believe Sans is the same between UT and DR then Sans must come from the aborted or WR version when he only draws three people. So maybe WR/Aborted saves and Undertale happen on the same VHS tape?
I feel like without the shadow crystals the game will end abruptlyThere's a lot of foreshadowing at how the story never finishes with act 6 being the last with Gerson the fact you can replay chapters, do the secret boss and get the crystals in other unrelated? saves at the cliff makes me think its the intended way for blind players to get each crystal if they missed one in 3 or 5 as a exampleCrystals = Broken dreams = you need the broken dreams purified to open the path to chapter 7 which is in itself a broken dream that was never completed.
>>4152851I think the Crystals and Eggs are the way to get the true pacifist ending of Deltarune desu.
>>4152851I had this idea too and it would make sense but the way the chapter select UI is shaped, there's always a slot available for chapter 7, and if I remember correctly Toby did mention that he wanted people t be able to start from any chapter without having to worry about having save files for all earlier chapter. It might just be that this only applies to 1-6 and 7 remains locked until the shadow crystal quest is completed though.
>>4152853>makes a story based game with a chapter select >make it so absolutely nothing matters asides from the final chapter because of casuals what a stupid idea
>>4152852>and EggsSomeone who plays Undertale blind could easily get the true pacifist ending, someone who plays Deltarune blind 100% is never gonna find the eggs in the first 3 chapters.
>>4152830Calm down bro it's not that serious.
>>4152853>but whatabout the tards>and the babies>and the disabled peepolI swear Toby wasn't like this for Undertale
>>4152855The second egg is possible if it's someone who looks around for secrets, the first and third are a different beast though, the third might be possible if someone pays a lot of attention to everything but the first egg is pure chance, no way anybody would think of doing that in a blind run.
>>4152850Sans being from Aborted/WR just makes the most sense since he's VAGUELY aware of the WR mindset and pattern, knows its worthless trying to stop you until the last second, etcAt the same time he still wants to go back and thinks he could if the machine works, so you clearly didn't kill everyone/destroy the world and fuck off perhaps. What this means I have no clue since its quite contradictory>>4152852Eggs are neither important nor unimportant, don't think toby would gate true end behind it. will probably be heavily lore focused instead.
>>4152843I will never let go of Dadster, he isn't the skeletons brother but father/grandpa
>>4152850Undertale is not a simulation.
>>4152857>but whatabout the japanese tards>and the japanese babies>and the japanese disabled peepolFIFY. Toby doesn't give a fuck about the casuals, he only cares about pleasing the only audience that actually matters to him.
>>4152862No proof DR is either
>>4152857>I swear Toby wasn't like this for UndertaleThere are a hundred things you can apply this to
>>4152863Lol do you really think that? If Japan attacks East Asia like in WWII Toby will take his ticket back to New York and complain about how Japan is suddenly le bad. Also he probably supports Japan's new PM in bringing many migrants.
>>4152860For Hometown Massacre he probably fled while everyone was being killed and he copes by saying "well someone must have survived/at least that world is still there" but just the fact he can't go back makes me think whatever timeline he came from was erased Undertale geno style.
>>4152864So neither are on literal VHS tapes.
>>4152872Inb4 it's actualy running on a computer but the VHS effect for side B is just Gaster being a lil goofy with AfterEffects
>>4152868I mean its not impossible, haven't played UT in awhile but to me it always came across that he THOUGHT he could get back if the fucking machine worked. But it doesn't and never will.I think toby has even stated as much in some tweets ages ago.Will give you a bone that it might also be a time machine and he's coping that he can go back before DR starts if it worked.What the machine even is now has begun to get more and more confusing if you assume Deltarune is a... fake world with idealised copies of UT people in it? Or a corrupted world remade in gaster's image? Its getting more confusing by the minute.So does the machine retroactively make a fake copy real by yeeting you into the IRL? You see what I mean its getting more and more weird
>>4152875I mean, maybe the DEVICE Deltarune is running on is a super computer-like TV or that old TV from the true lab.
>>4152878Yes that is was what I was thinking but I can entertain other ideas if you guys have any
>>4152877If I'm not mistaken the tweet was something like>"You've seen the happiest outcome. They couldn't fix the machine, no matter how hard they tried.">"No one can."I think the machine was never broken at all, it just had nothing to go back to. A big part of True pacifist is moving on from the past. Asgore and monsterkind do this with their promise of vengeance, Asriel does this with moving on from Chara etc.Sans does this too with the old world, he stops trying to go back and decides to move on (infact he's a lot less lazy in the Alarm clock dialogues set post true Pacifist)
>>4152880Dislike lot of the hometown massacre wank but I will say that is pure miseryfuel for sans and I love it>The machine was never broken. its just the connection to DR's world is impossible if said world ceases to exist.
>>4152791>>4152793Dark fountains colors was referred to as obsidian during chapter 3Still sticking with titan knight but with dess' soul>>4152827It's a pk star storm reference
>>4152827of course they are stars, the shadow mantle protects against dark and star attacks
>>4152567death of the author, whatever i decide is canon is canon
I love all Hometown Massacre wank
>>4152886just like my star war
>>4152883It fits thematically with Geno too. You already destroyed his old home, and just now he realizes you're gonna do the same to this one too. It is happening again, but this time he won't run away anymore.
>>4152853>advertises game as 7 chapters which can be picked up at any time>doesn't do that for last chapter 7False advertising
>>4152888Star wars was turned into shit just like this though By woke freaks who hated it
>>4152854Not just because of casuals, but because Toby doesn't want anyone to predict the fever dream ending before it actually plays out. The less we know, the less likely someone can make a correct prediction.
>>4152893Why do you defend it then instead of calling out this shit design? I call it out, every day, because this is horrible.
>>4152892star wars has been hated by hollywood since 1977 when it became a smash hit and lucas got a fuckton of money without the studios getting a real cut and then proceeded to tell them to fuck off for the next 5 filmsit was always going to be destroyed when he was out of the picturethe wokesters getting their claws on it is only one piece of the puzzle
>>4152897Lucas was a fool to sell it to those people
>>4152899he was naive, and he genuinely though kennedy was his friendshe was, until the higher ups got involved and hired abrams as director of tfathe fall of nuwars can be traced back to him precisely
Sans Undertale is from deltarune is pmuch confirmed honestly with the punch cards, unless it's yet another ebic red herring by Toby "Shut the fuck up about the freedom motif" Foxington Fwugradiation Canine Fox. I wonder if that means sans will play an actually major role in any upcoming chapter as they reveal how he got to deltarune in the first place, it would be cool to see more sans content I guess
>>4152903He will shit his pants when the Vessel starts playing GTA IRL with Hometown and he will FLEE.
>>4152903Sans isn't even from Deltarune originally, he's actually mid-tragedy right now. He's pulling off too much meta gigaknower shit and directly foiled Kris's schemes by convincing Toriel to stay home, get drunk and party instead of wandering into church where she'd be kidnapped by Knight.
>>4152905As if the game would just let youToby fox and deltarune actively strive to do less and less
>>4152903>>4152906Sans and Papyrus are from Nowhere
>>4152903then where is grillbys and his house from niggerwhy is there so much stuff about sans being weird and out of place then faggot
>Sans has a time travel machine, not a dimension travel machine>Nobody theorizes that Deltarune is Undertale's world 1000 years into the future (and Toby straight up lied)How come?
>>4152927Kid Noelle is in Undertale, guess she ages really slow huh
>>4152927Damn they suck ass at developing new tech then.
>>4152927Doesn't really work since DR has people from the past and present of undertale reincarnated or copied over.
>>4152927Sans calls it "time traveling" because he has very limited understanding of his world's mechanics even if he knows more than most.The "time traveling" might as well include "dimensional travelling" since it's all video game SAVES and Menus anyway.
>>4152957I mean that's a fine theory but it fails Occam's Razor so, so badly
>>4152958because?
>>4152960Well it assumes Sans doesn't understand his own shit, which shouldn't be the first assumption.It also assumes the time travel machine is more complicated than we're shown to believe. Which is totally fair since we don't know anything about it, but again, occam's razor.
Man this community got so entitled along the way somewhere. People disappointed in chapter 5 were never fans of the game, full stop. They were fans of the YouTube lore communities that popped up around the game, and I'll die on that hill. It's legit disrespectful to both the art and to Toby, and a blight on a community that was otherwise pretty rad.
>>4152963>and I'll die on that hillThen die.Damn what a manchild.
>>4152963How's that knot taste, buddy? Enjoying the gallons of subversive cum clogging your throat?
>>4152963We subverted Toby's expectations.
>>4152963Is this your way to find rape victims?
The Titan battle song is called GUARDIAN because they guard The Depths:>There is something sinister going under Hometown as implied by Jevil and Flowery>Lower elevation places imply this (Shelter having a dark world, shelter and the mansion's basement having mus_smile, and the lake having the Weird Route skip and the shit with Onionsan and Normal NPC)>Fountains are created from the ground because the darkness is sourced from Hometown's undeground>This way, dark fountains are gateways into "The Depths">normal fountains are too small for anyone to pass through>the big ass fountain the Knight made was too wide, so lightners and darkners could pass through>the Titans are there to prevent this from happeningbut this is just a ludo hypothesis
>>4152963Post where you copied this from
>>4152971There will never be another TitanThe writers blew their load too soon for it to mean anything now
>>4152962>it assumes Sans doesn't understand his own shitAnd you assume he does? He can barely differentiate between Flowey and Frisk in term of who is the timeline anomaly. He is probably as much of a knower as Alphys is (who talks about alternate universes or timelines in a gag).>occam's razorWe're talking about Toby here, someone who was always willing to introduce information that completely flips our understanding of his stories upside down VERY late into their run times, sometimes multiple of those on top of each other.Take ERAM as an example. A lot of what we assume about him now (such as the FRIEND connection) is what we used to assume about Gaster back in the day. And we still don't know much about him, which will likely only be expanded on in 7b.He keeps introducing more and more things into the story. Chapter 5 might be the weird one for not expanding anything and just clarifying some things we already heavily suspected.
>>4152971>hells roar bubbles form the depthsSo shelter isn't worlds edge since why would the angel/angels heaven be in hellGuess that means fuck you to player angel and gaster angel and the shelter will be in chapter 6
Our future Queen of /v/, Noelle, will kill all the jannies so go and vote for her
>>4152986Go vote for Kris and Pink in next 128 and Chara/Aqua in barred btw.
>>4152986there is no thread now
>>4152985>angel/angels heaven be in hellDid you forget demons are fallen angels?
>>4152994i thought demons were demons and fallen angels were something similar but separate
post em https://grids.fun/t/deltarune-mysteries-ph73x?list=deltarune-mystery-characters-expanded-558c5
>>4152986What's the current password
>>4152997i present my case
>>4153000how do noelleknighters even?
>>4152998Mai Shiranui for next 128AK-12 for Queen of /v/
>>4152978anon, remember the platformer sections of chapter 5? they will relegate the titans to fodder obstacles on platformer mode during the chapter 7 roaring, you'll just have to hit the titans a bit to break their shields and then hold C to quickly seal the titans
>>4153001the sweepstakes blog + some unused stuff only other character asides from kris who can equip the blackshard btw
>>4152978The Titans were never going to be treated with the respect they deserve, even if they were fully backloaded to Chapter 7 they'd just be a hastily-dealt with boss rush or literal mooks for your Uberpowered 11th Hour Mode.
>>4153000noelle knight but kriselle angel?
>>4153007the angel can't be any one person due to susie and ralsei being uncomfortable with its appearance it has to be something unsettling to look at a fusion between two people makes more sense in this casethe knight, on the other hand, does not exhibit any traits of being more than one person, not to mention a fusion
>>4152986Vote for Muffet and Carol in Queen, Susie, Aqua and Chara in barred and Kris, Dess and Pink in next 128 for total UT/DR domination.
>>4152997I catbox it last time but we're too early in the thread to need that again.
>>4153009i see your point, yknow, the idea of the player being the angel cus of the characters being uncomfortable and because toby hides the prophecy to not spoil shit is pretty dumb, the argument just feels like yet another "deltarune players hate themselves and want the game to step on them", the player could look like a real life gigachad and the idea would seem like total nonsense, making assumptions about the players and calling them out for such things inside the game would be stupid, imagine if deltarune accused players of doing the geno run even if they never actually did
I'll remind y'all of this little detail for your angel discussions
>>4153028My head-canon is that the angel is a possessed Noelle used by gaster as a vesselWould explain why him and Noelle have heavy angel foreshadowing
>>4153028hmm
>>4153028More Gaster angel proof.
>>4153031gaster considers the eggs an issue so not gaster eggman nor gaster eggman & angel
Why did Toby give the Lord English reference to a newly born Titan?
>>4153041Why not?
>green skeleton>time powers>was always thereHmmmmmmmmmmm
>>4153040The Eggman is just another part of Gaster.
>don’t worry about the pacing until it’s overIs this just a cope from Toby or is Chapter 7 going to be 15 hours long
>>4153054He said 2 was the longest in 2020
>>4153054>play the whole game again to get the best ending>again
>>4153054You'll only know it when it happens.
>>4153054that entire newsletter reeks of cope over not everyone liking his stuff for once
>>4153054it's damage controlling>>4153055at the time, then we realized he was full of shit since chapter 4 and 5 are individually longer than chapter 2
>>4153054Yes.
>>4153060He said himself he wasn't sure chapter 2 was the largest after 3 and 4 released.>>4153055That said, I doubt either 7 or 7b will be particularly large, if that was the case the wait for them would be even longer than how long it took for 3-4.On another note, chapter 2 still hasn't been matched in terms of scope because of how much of everything it has. Ch6 will definitely not be the one to match it, and 7-7b are also unlikely.
>>41530653-4 changed a lot during development, 7 and 7B likely will too but with better management and more hands it might take less time.
>>4153054I interpreted it as 7 having the missing piece of the puzzle that when put in place makes you realize that the story developing the way it did makes complete sense and it all feels coherent and satisfying. Which of you ask me is probably complete bullshit. I don't doubt Toby thinks that Deltarune's story is satisfying but I'm not sure many people will feel the same way.
>>4153074>better management and more handsAt this point I really don't think producer-sama and the larger team was a good addition despite the hastened release schedule.There are still so many half baked things and poorly allocated attention. It reeks of a yesman production.
>>4153077toby's poor management is the problem here, before he was forced to focus on every individual aspect instead of the one thing he wanted so it all ended up polished up anyways, but now that he has a big team, he can afford to put all of his focus on that one thing he wants to code while rushing the little things, some people just work better on their own than as a group's leader even if the former is slower in comparison
>>4153055Yeah, that was back when he was running on his 2020 projections. Now it's 2026, the scope and direction have clearly changed, especially because he's full hamming on episodic releases rather than the original plan of "stick to 1+2 demo, then the next release will be the full game."
>>4152963It's way more disrespectful to tease that goddam festival so much since ch2 and just make it to be a linear corridor, toby raped me
Queen of /v/ Round 1 results are in: https://forms.gle/JgckKttCRPuzNrQV7Muffet 582 vs Tali 401 votesNoelle 512 vs Renee Graves 471 votesJill Valentine 593 vs Carol 390We lost Carol but Muffet and Noelle are still in, Noelle will face Mari from Omori in Round 2 while Muffet goes against Gruntilda.
>>4153084We also lost Susie in barred, but Aqua and Chara made it through the next round.
>>4153084>>4153088Sad Kris lost so much but I guess she'll do better next year.
>chapter 2>teacup rides everywhere>almost all are easy as fuck and they add nothing to the gameplay>make no sense within the cybernetic theme>not justified at all by the light world room, there are no teacups on the table or the festival poster>chapter 3>includes a whole kitchen>would be perfect as a recycled physical challenge>no teacup rides anywhere>chapter 5>the entire dark world is about plants>the entire dark world is centered around pleasing a character who had tea making as a hobby>the entire dark world is also themed after a culture who values tea>no teacup rides anywhere either
>>4153091What do the teacups in chapter 2 represent anyway?
>>4153093A party of three, whether to refer to the three heroes, or cuckshit throuple faggotry.
>>4153091Toby lost the cd where the source code for the teacup rides when he migrated his game with the new format, prease understandu
>>4153093I guess the festival poster mentions the real ride in a super small portion that doesn't show up in either the sprite or the flavor textAlso, the real one doesn't do anything but block the everyman alleyway
>>4153090kris getting 73 votes on her debut entry is pretty impressive especially considering that for 7/8 of the years deltarune has been around kris was almost unanimously considered a man
>>4153098From what i understood her opponent had a pretty devoted fanbase so I suppose she did well given the situation.
>>4153091Sorry, the teacup rides can't end on a clock and that is apparently Kris's favorite type of challenge/puzzle, so they don't show up when Kris makes the dark world.
>>4153054He only said that to lower your guard because the ERAM reveal and Seam purification boss fight gonna go so fucking hard sisters!
>>4153090We also lost Dess in Next 128.Noelle and Muffet in Queen, Aqua and Chara in barred and Pink in next 128 are the remaining UT/DR pics.
>>4153098Kris only got 55 votes versus Tetra so they fell off a bit.
>>4153091Toby got tired of that gimmick.
>>4153101Seam is definitely not going to have a fight with all soul modes. In fact he might not even have a fight.
>>4153108Anon, you have too much expectations, Seam will say to come back tomorrow instead lmaooo
I can’t even imagine being a Papyrussister
>>4152973Some guy in the comments of some video about chapter 6
>>4153101>took you long enough>more reheated nachosand to think I once felt excited imagining the prospect of a Seam fight
Vaguepost maaanVaguepost maaanWon’t say shittill the ennnd
imagine having this much of a slam dunk opportunity for a secret boss no one would see comingimagine wasting this by doing nothing on 6
>I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMEONE MISUSING THE SEAM CRYSTAL PURIFICATION BOSS FIGHT ERAM GASTER ABORTED WEIRD ROUTE NOELLE CASTLE TOWN SNOWGRAVE TWISTED SWORD THIRD ROOTMikes probably in 6
>>4153131Will Toby make fun of twisted route believers?
>>4153131Mike being anything at all would vindicate Mikefags after their 5+ year crusade, not happening.He's nothing more than a Dess parallel, a vital piece of Tenna and Spamton's life who disappeared after THAT DEAL, causing Tenna and Spamton to grow distant (but not really because they're still obsessed with each other) and anyone who tries to look for Mike to go insane doing so.
You will fight Seam, but he will copy all the previous secret bosses attacks in random order so Toby doesn't need to create new bullet patterns
>>4153132another round of>nothing changedwould be peak twisted raping
>>4153131kinda hard to predict what they will doleitmotif usage wasn't that much of a common complaint compared to other things
you know, it just doesn't make sense for the chapter 6 castle town visit to be all goofy after chapter 5 felt like a send off to that sort of stuffbut chapter 5 also demonstrated tonal consistency isn't a priority herefuck, how the fuck is it easier to speculate on 7b rather than 6?
>>41531397B isn't very easy to speculate either as everyone's takes are muh genocide spritesheet date when the chapter will be probably completely different from any of that
>>41531397B isn't really easier but at least it has to do something with what happened to Kris and Noelle or Mantle, so far we don't know if 6 will happen in the hospital or Noelle's house, or god knows I-ICE pizza place for some reason
>>4153137>create the twisted sword>nothing changed and black screen>the sword gets deleted from your inventoryi would kekw
>>4153139Chapter 4 also completely ignored that Toriel should've been in a tizzy over the events of last night, but she's completely stopped caring about the slashed tires and the fact the cops never came to check in on her.Chapter 6 can still be goofy silly, in fact it's probably banking on it to be the last ounce of fun (for REAL this time) before the lesbian melodrama kicks in over the course of Homophobic Bitch Mom World.
>>4153138The freedom motif was VERY popular so it was probably a shock for Toby since he never intended for that to be a thing.
>>4153141It can also happen in the shelter but you're not ready for that discussion
Will the Chapter 6 era fandom be any better? It better be. I don't think it can get this much worse
>>4153145>give in and add the jevil motif to gerson and pink>but also mald and seethe through mikes and trashy trio and cap'nwhat was the goal here?also, I wonder if I'd have been nowhere as pissed off about cutie mew mew magic featuring spooktune instead of ghost fight if he had never made those remarks about leitmotifs
>>4153152the mainstream fandom is always behind the /v/ fandomcurrently they're arguing about 5 the way we argued about 2, which means they will argue about 6 the way we argued about 3/4for the reaction to 6 here I think it will be just more of the same we have now, hard to disappoint the already disappointed
>>41531524chan won't be any better, you'll get even more seething from schizos that Toby "as long as even just a few people like it, I'm happy" Fox did not in fact bend the knee to their outrage and retcon and rewrite the game to their ideal image, and doomposting will probably be at an all time high unless he pulls miracle work that pleasantly surprises all of us, somehow makes up for the missteps of 3-5, and then gets us genuinely hype and hopeful for Chapter 7 and basically guarantees 7B will be Ultimate Kino.
>>4153155>miracle work that pleasantly surprises all of us, somehow makes up for the missteps of 3-5that would require him to be lying about every single thing he teased about 6
>>4153156Yup, which means pure schizophrenia and doom until 2028, because god knows Toby needs to put in as much third party studio budget into 7's cinematics as possible now that he's getting comfortable doing that with shit like Flowery's introduction.
>>41531526 depends if the ''big reveal that will kill theorist'' is worth it, if it's just only white bread shipping again until the very end where things this time it will get serious, people, and me, will be pissed for a good fucking reasonERAM, the crystal, twisted sword, eggman, aborted wr or any of those gets something good it could help to save it, because weird route balanced the criticism and 6 won't have it7B could restore the peace
>>4153165>7B could restore the peaceI think it will likely make things far worse.Fans are DYING for an "undying" moment where a character heroically tries to stop the rampage, and fans also yearn for more genocide edgekino, but right now I feel neither of those things are going to happen and I don't know how those guys will cope if there is no "Susie Megalovania" during 7b.
>>4153167People are also DESPERATE for a "Asgore not holding back" fight, which has been cockteased since UNDERTALE. If that isn't delivered either, the seething is going to be monumental.
>>4153168I'd say people who were desperate for a "third Jevil style secret boss" have given up by now but nah, I won't pretend, I'm still desperate for that.
Where is deltarune for straight people
>>4153176Here.But being straight doesn't prevent mental illness.
>>4153167Perhaps Chapter 5's greatest sin is failing to quench almost everyone's expectations for the game, it's difficult to tell for me if this is a matter of said expectations being misplaced or it was the execution itselfPink is really underwhelming, it's a funny memey fight with an underlying meaning about Kris and the Soul literally everyone and their mother already figured out, that does nothing but masturbate the "themes and such" Deltarune's story offers to the player, because themes and such might as well be the only thing the story can do without spoilering the super secret mysteries. Flowery is another boss heavy on themes and while I like his role, the entire setup and execution of Flowery's character seems to be about commenting on the themes before their payoff and your understanding of them happen in the first place. It feels like Deltarune tells its story is told in reverse.
>>4153176Check in the fangame thread
>>4153180the greatest sin of ch5 is that ultimately, it's just chapter 3 again but in the flower kingdom instead of the tv worldthe plot has not moved an inch, the dark world was created to waste time until the knight showed up to abduct a cop, just like ch3the only real difference is that instead of the party fighting and losing against the knight, it was flowery
>>4153183The plot technically develops, but what it does is create more setup instead of breaking the status quo. Asgore gets captured, cool, happens at the tail end where it's decided Susie now wants to break the status quo by inviting Noelle. Next Chapter. Ralsei's character arc in Chapter 5 is about him deciding from now onwards he's going to do something about the situation, further delegating the consequences of this development to later. Again, Next chapter. Weird Route too for obvious reasons.>the greatest sin of ch5 is that ultimately, it's just chapter 3I disagree in the sense Chapter 3 is much, much better by providing interesting new context about Kris' life, about the mysterious strange things in its dark world and other small little things all across. It's funny that despite the Dark World in 5 is so vibrant and full of darkners it is extremely lacking in new information. I think that's the achilles heel of 5: too much theme and too little text to the point it's difficult to feel emotionally invested in the chapter
Adult titan bossfight when
>>4153202You expect too muchPacicuckery till the end
>>4153188Chapter 5 Weird Route is pure peak. Normal Roytre doesn't have the same impact, main content is kinda self-contained (expected), and the ending kinda quietly fizzles out instead of expected shocking event (disappointing).
>>4153202Only when the fun gang learn that you CAN in fact teach the raw force of mindless destruction how to gain sapience and compassion so they can spare it.
Man people REALLY don't like being reminded that the majority of fights with plot important characters don't actually end with their death no matter what huh
>>4153233imo tenna and jack should be permadead no matter what gives the story some teeth and gives susie a reason to actually hate the knight outside of them being the heccin bad guy
Vote for Noelle and Muffet in Queen of /v/ https://forms.gle/4eGX9RH1xRsgjtgL8Password is Reimu, Noelle is going against Mari from Omori in match 8 and Muffet is going against Gruntilda in match 12.
>>4153233Then let me fight them, then, shouldn't be an issueDragon quest figured this out with Robbin 'ood decades ago
>>4153239Voted Noelle, she'll win bet
The deltaroon raped situation is crazy
>>4152855>someone who plays Deltarune blind 100% is never gonna find the eggs in the first 3 chapters.NTA, but I think that would be the point. it would be an ending you HAVE to fight and look very deep for this time. Plus, think about how vague Cave Story's secret/true ending is. even though it would be kinda lame if it was just like true pacifist where it's the actual ending and the neutral "ending" is just a eggman_juggling_emeralds.jpg ending. Though desu I'm h(c)oping we get a third ending because I just Kris to be happy for once.
>>4152639the macro chara didnt set it off?
>Thank you for watching my dream***Flowery’s dream, the rest of you bums were purely comedic relief. Sorry Aqua I love you and I like the implications you give us for Kris but it’s the truth.
>>4153266then why is toby pandering to casuals so much while paradoxically demanding people go super deep into finding the secrets to get the real ending?making the game like this almost ensures that both sides of the isle will be unsatisfied, casuals because it requires super deep knowledge of the game that it flat out does not tell you, and actual gamers because the game is so easy a monkey could do it the only actual challenging fights in the game are still jevil and the knight, even pink is fairly simple once you understand her patterns
>>4153271erm, it's thank you for watching OUR dream chuddythis is a comedy, not a tragedy
>>4153274>then why is toby pandering to casuals so much while paradoxically demanding people go super deep into finding the secrets to get the real ending?hell if I know, why does the weird route exist? Like I said, it's mostly just my own personal cope because I don't like where the story is going in either route and that they'll actually matter in something important instead of just being text I'll read on the wiki the very next day or some gay little cutscene. >making the game like this almost ensures that both sides of the isle will be unsatisfied, casuals because it requires super deep knowledge of the game that it flat out does not tell you, and actual gamers because the game is so easy a monkey could do itWell, I mean you got that right. I think UT only really got as popular as it did because it was so easily accessible from beginning to the end of true pacifist, the only part that even remotely requires skill is two bosses in genocide.as for the whole pandering making everyone unsatisfied, well, I don't get it either. He made a whole NES Zelda clone and just expected everyone to pick up on it (which they did) but then in the newsletter for Chapter 5 he's showing all this stuff they cut from the platforming because it was "too advanced" and he made it with the assumption of this being someone's first platformer which actually enraged me when I read it.>the only actual challenging fights in the game are still jevil and the knight, even pink is fairly simple once you understand her patternsI couldn't say anything about that front. I've never actually beaten any of the secret bosses besides Spamton and ERAM which I think just solidifies how easy they are. I just don't really have the patience for bullet hells.
I wanna get the shelter codes now, not the end of the game, I ain't got time for that
>>4153266>pedofrogposting
>>4153278so you want to just skip to the good part?that's not how you tell a story
>>4153278I wanna fight the Dragon Lord now, not the end of the game, I ain't got time for that
>>4153279you can post any image on the internet and niggas will be like "this is actually a pedo-coded image chud"
>>4153275The only one that says our is Blue.
>>4153283well, blue is the defacto second in command of the flowers due to his influence on the cast and his pivotal moments at the end everyone else is throwaway tier, only flowery and blue matter
>>4153281If you told me I had to wait multiple real life years after saving Princess Gwaelin to get the Sunstone, or the Staff of Rain, or get punished for trying by being sent into the wring direction,I would be equally pissed. Yeah this sucks
>>4153286The episodic game should NOT be judged as if it’s episodic you fucking disgusting waste of LIFE
>>4152781The Knight is charging the Obsidian Splash! It cannot be deflected!
>>4152804The Holidays as a whole are implied to have ice magic, not just Noelle, Carol literally causes the temperature in the house to drop just by showing up.
>just trust the dog after he dropped the Chapter equivalent of a filler episode after hyping it up for half a fucking decade, bro
>>4153287>"just waiting for today felt like...years!">"I get the feeling this'll keep going, until it gets old.">"But...it it still waiting. How much longer?"Toby Fox did that first.
>>4153292>the only reason Kris is contemplating suicide is because even he's getting sick of the WAIT and worries he'll never be able to do whatever the fuck it is he wants to do because the WAIT is diegetic to Deltarune's narrative
>>4153292Erm Toby Fox also said to not worry at all and to just ignore the bad pacing because it’ll somehow definitely be retroactively fixed…
>>4153296Is "the pacing" the pacing of the game's story as an isolated unit or the pacing of the game's release? Pick one to complain about. Because no one chapter is ever going to fix the latter, and people are kind of ridiculous about the former on account of most being subject to the latter as well.
>>4153296Will it? Will the thing I want to happen actually be possible in the next few chapters? After chapter 5 I don't believe that anymore, after it deliberately got my hopes up only to do the exact opposite.
>>4153300>we didn't get into the final dungeon by chapter 5 so it'll never happen
>>4153301Didn't even get closeThe things are not getting collected, nothing is being doneWhy can the game not just gave things being done across all the game instead of just waiting until the very end
>>4153302I know, right? Fuck Dragon Quest, I want to kill Dragon Lord NOW but it's forcing me to go through all this bullshit first.And then they did it again with Malroth, and Zoma, and Psaro, and Nimzo, and Mortamor, and Orgodemir, and Rapthorne, and Corvus, and Calasmos, and it'll fucking do it again with 12's Final Boss.Why can't games be like Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, and just let me fight the final boss as soon as I'm out of the "here's how to play" tutorial phase?
>>4153305Dragon Quest allowed you to pick up the items that took you directly to the Dragonlords castle before you actually got to the Dragonlords's castle and before the fucking endgame, don't you pull that shit. As did Dq2, it let you get its sigils you need get to Rendarak when they are relevant instead of saving each sigil for the very tail-end of the game. As did dq3, you could get most of the orbs to hatch Ramia in any order from the moment you get a ship instead of at the very tail end of the game. You are lying.
>>4153311He isn't talking about the order. He wants to skip all that and go straight to the final dungeon. Because he has played a game where you could do that, that must be what good game design looks like, and all games for the rest of time are obligated to be structured as such.
>>4153311I can't beat the final boss before the finale of the game and roll the credits before endgame, though. So all of them are guilty of the same things Deltarune is doing right now.
>>4153299Think about how much shit still hasn’t been addressed or elaborated on to make a eventual payoff actually turn out satisfying, and then think about how much time we have left assuming that the cope that Chapter 7 is super duper long is just a cope and that it’ll just be as long as like, Chapter 4. Fuck it lets say it’ll be the size of Chapter 5 lets be as good faith as possible.If Toby doesn’t figure it the fuck out we’re looking at a very-likely-to-be unsatisfying infodump to end all infodumps. Fuck it lets assume the clarification Toby’s talking about is just a technicality and that Toby’s gonna put more plot in it then we believe, we only have TWO CHAPTERS (one being confirmed to be shorter then average) to learn about>the Knight’s origin/true identity>the horrible awful vague event + Dess “leaving”>the part of the prophecy we didn’t get to see>Carol’s deal>Ralsei’s deal>Kris’ deal (lots of questions to answer with this one)>Kris’ hand>(Our) deal, why we’re there in the first place, definitively how we got in Kris>Egg man>the shelter>The Angel>Flowery’s return>Rudy>Asriel>Papyrus>Gaster>the voice that interrupted the introand that’s just the bare minimum he has to address.Even if he somehow weaves that all together satisfyingly, does that make Chapter 5 being a fun nothingburger a good part of the story?
>>4153315I really don't feel like this all will take as long to address satisfyingly as people assume. Rudy, Asriel, Papyrus, these guys will not take some multi hour long section to be wrapped up.
>>4153315Of all of these, the only ones that ABSOLUTELY matter are>Knight's deal, Kris's deal, (You)r deal, The Angel, ProphecyEverything else is extra fluff fans decided was as important as "who is The Roaring Knight? what are Kris's motives?" in order to get even madder at the game.
>>4153314Don't save literally every item I need to get to the final dungeon for the very tail end of the game, and directly shove me into the opposite direction for even trying to get them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmbllcEJx8kthoughts on kriselle amalgaknight but as its own character and not as THE main knight? essentially just taking over as the bad guy
>>4153313There was an easy solution to thisGet one code for each of the 3 chapter leading to chapter 7, and not by accident, and not as an afterthought to justify a filler dark world after the worst scene in the game.
>>4153322That doesn't let him get to the end before doing any of the dungeons, so he is still unsatisfied.
>Leave for a month>Come back>Discussion has devolved into retards unable to comprehend their own wish for the game to be finished, ergo it must be the failing of Toby for not literally skipping all the story to get to the endingSo we're on stage 4 of the WAIT I see
>>4153325I would be satisfied if it worked like that thoughThe moment I truly hated deltarune was when I wasted my time in noelles house and absolutely nothing was accomplished and I was taken into the exact opposite direction for even tryingCut it, and my problem goes away and I start having fun again
>>4153318This isn’t comparable to Woody theory, wanting fan speculation on certain plotpoints to be true and in the game like DessKnight or KriselleKnight, these are elements that have been brought up to us by the game specifically.
>>4153330No you wouldn't
>>4153332I would, my problem came from that scene directly, there is recorded proof of that
>>4153335No there isn't
>>4153329We’re talking about Chapter 5 here anon, a big problem with it is that most of it is filler. Nobody was asking for it to answer everything, they were expecting it to have more substance then it did considering how late in the game we are.
>>4153330You are not the sole human who matters
>>4153341I recognize that, that's been a talking point for a while, but I can't get behind it since the game's not finished. Until it is finished, we won't really know how well it really fits into the story, and it failing to meet the expectations of an episodic release is only affirming talking points from as early as Chapter 2 about how Toby should have stuck to his guns and released all the chapters at once, like he planned to. This is nothing new.
>>4153341Even worse is that Toby said such reassuring things as "Chapter 6 will be centered around one specific thing" and "Don't worry about the pacing until it's over!", which basically means the Chapter 6 reveal is going to be a nothingburger that tells us very little (because otherwise we might be able to solve the plot during the 2 year wait for 7 and 7B) and that EVERYTHING is getting backloaded into endgame.
>>4153345I dunno I’d probably still be miffed going from Chapter 4 to 5The whole nostalgia for Chapter 1 thing would be even more of a wet fart too
>>4153343And? I don't play games to appease some pretentious artist, I do it for myself. I wanna change that scene and make the game more enjoyable for myself.
>half of Chapter 6 is just Suselle wholesome chungus moments + drama while Kris and Ralsei stand around awkwardlyhttps://youtu.be/EiMe3H41mus
>>4153354The main conflict will be Carol's screentime being spent entirely on serving as a homophobic bitch mother, she'll learn the error of her ways for getting in the way of true love, and then Knight will kidnap her because she'll say the funny "from now on" line, and when something's going to change, Knight shows up to make the change that this person is now no longer a part of the story and will almost assuredly not get enough screentime during the Golden Ending Epilogue Victory Lap to actually make good on the character development and delcarations those characters made.
>>4153356Sounds like this all could been avoided by nuking suselle before it ever saw the light of day
>>4153348This is assuming the chapters would be exactly the same as we know them. It's very clear this way of releasing the game has led to Toby making things he wished he could retcon, but can't anymore. Assuming they were generally the same, then Chapter 5 would be a nice enough bookend to a Chapter 2 through 5 release. Even with my grievances of the chapter not forwarding the plot beyond taking Asgore out of the equation, I still recognized the attempt at sending a farewell to the previous chapters and their antics, and I don't think it failed at that in the grand scheme of things, it was just hamfisted sometimes.I'm not saying you wouldn't still feel that way, but I do think it's just a matter of perspective. I'm not deep enough in the fandom brainrot to be as obsessed with the lore and secrets as some are. I prefer to look at the game as a whole package, which is basically impossible while it's unfinished, which is why I lean on the fact the game was meant to be released nearly all at once, and the current release format is proof of how much the original plan doesn't gel with it at all. We're basically waiting on the game being finished to actually look at the story as it was meant to be seen, and I blame Toby for giving up on that.
>>4153002Doesn't work. Yes, I capitalized it.
>>4153367Never mind, that's the previous round.
>>4153369The next round password for Queen of /v/ is reimu
>Carol would NEVER fight her daughter and Kris!
>>4153282>you can post any image on the internet and niggas will be like "this is actually a pedo-coded image chud"
this is actually a pedo-coded image chud
Mike is definitely pedo-coded!
>>4153359>We're basically waiting on the game being finished to actually look at the story as it was meant to be seen, and I blame Toby for giving up on that.99% of the criticism (Like seriously what the fuck do you think Toby wants to rectons from previous chapters, this is pure retard shit) I see on here is schizo ramblings but I will give you this, toby should have stuck to his guns and never released anything post chapter 1 until everything was finished. You can tell the game was designed around you playing the whole thing blind and that's impossible now for 99% of people who have the game due to obvious reasons. You will never organically find the eggs for example. You will never accidentality miss a boss. You will never have that eureka moment of finding out the knight is beatable on your second play-through. You will never discover the way to Side B via mantle hints.
>>4153387actually you are more likely to find these secrets through an episodic release, when the game releases, people will only play the game once, look up a guide for the weird route, and then look up all the tiny weeny secrets and easter eggs on youtube online instead of replaying the game 50 times just to learn that mr. scrimblo calls you a repressed faggot if you flipflopped between mean and nice choices towards ralsei and did a no hit in the rouxls kaard and roaring knight encounters without triggering the gaster retry dialogue for the latter
>>4153291As much as I was expecting an hometown massacre or some epic weird route stuff, I kinda had prepared myself for this. The 5 in the ARG page being only half of 2 didn't sit right with me.
>>4153182You lost and got raped by Toby.
>>4152997
>>4153108>going to have a fight with all soul modesThat would unironically be incredibly kino, so much so that if I knew for certain that it was happening I wouldn't mind waiting for CH7 to fight him.>>4153135This on the other hand would destroy the little hope I have left for this quest after Toby took a shit on the fans with TroonTroon Magic.
Okay, though I've actually been browsing these threads a lot less over the past few weeks. But last night I dreamed that Chapter 6 had dropped, which caught me off guard since it was way ahead of schedule. Still, I was pretty happy because we'd finally get some answers.Except it turned out to be a one-hour session of Overworld dialogue. No fights or anything, just exposition, ending with some completely irrelevant bullshit I can't even remember.I completely crashed out, ranting about how Toby was a hack. Thank you for reading.
>>4153406Thank god for 7B being big and being revealed so early. If it didn't there would be a loud minority saying Kris and Noelle died.
>>4152997By someone else in 7B I'm referring to the Fun Gang all at once.
>>4153411This is most likely what's going to actually happen. Quirk Chungus Castle Town shenanigans after the obligatory "oh woe is me" from Kris in the morning, then nonstop Light World Lesbian Melodrama, before FINALLY getting the Dark World to continue the melodrama, until Carol admits she was wrong for being homophobic, apologizes for being a bad mom, says from now on things are going to change around the house, and then Knight kidnaps her as Susie once again declares they're gonna do something about Knight, FOR REAL THIS TIME because now Noelle's pissing and shitting from having lost her entire remaining family in one day.
>>4153418And you defend it, continuously.>>4153301
>>4153239Vote for Pink in next 128 as wellhttps://forms.gle/Bov7CDMyNLDVaFFX7And for Chara and Aqua in barredhttps://forms.gle/MhQaxzndfL8kDaGP6
People wouldn't be this antsy if Toby Fox didn't hype his epic fever dream as his own One Piece since day 1 and didn't reassure people he's 100% confident in his pants on the head insane approach to story pacing like he's reinventing the wheel in videogame storytelling
>>4153152Unless 6 nukes Suselle or the twisted route happens this place will hate Deltarune even more.
I wanna say something brave and empoweringTHAT DAY is the main cause of people feeling rapedMost of this could have been avoided if Asgore didn't vaguepost so fucking hard, and it's not like people wanted Asgore to tell us that he was friend with Gaster or some shit, but any big reveal could have improve people opinion over this, we are entering late game just for him to tell us shit we pretty much knew already, the complains like shipping would still exists of course but we would feel less raped with the new informationAnd i'm saying this because Toby literally fixed this problem in the same chapter, the Pink lore patch, wathever how you feel about it, it actually gave us a huge reveal with FRIEND and that shit ignited the fandom, i remember when it dropped and the /v/ thread reached 1000 replies in a random hourIn a nutshell, Toby needs to drop a newsletter with any crumbsWhat was the point of Kris hating anime if he didn't mind the kiss lmao
>>4153431>SpoilerBecause she's a tsundere that pretends to hate it (also because the only other people who like anime in Hometown are fucking Alphys and Berdly)
>>4153165>>4153167If 7B isn't the Kriselle date or retcons Noelle’s affection for Susie then that's also being hated. That's why her being used up already brings so much seethe.
>>4153202Titans will be fodder if they appear again.
>>4153270I didn't see it as macro since it's stomping on ants who are small.
>>4153282It's because Froggit is associated with Shayy now.
>>4153329It's just CoL
>>4153331Kriselle Knight is pure schizophrenia not in the game though.
>>4153383It doelested coded, actually.
>>4153411Toby raped you in your dream.
>>4153431>THAT DAY is the main cause of people feeling rapedNo, it's Suselle and the lake scene. It will always be Suselle no matter the chapter.
>>4153450I actually wouldn't mind it if it was skippable.
>>4153440>7B is not a lore-dump Kriselle date Chapter and is instead Hometown Massacre >Everyone feels raped except for Soulfags and VesselfagsWould be funny
>>4153391>Eggs>Literally just a random chance to stumble on it in chapters 1, 2, and 4>People going in blind have notoriously been more likely to find Chapter 3's egg despite it being more cryptic because the clues are there>Shadow Crystals>If you're not literally listening to Spamton's forced encounter telling you to go back to the garbage dump, then you're likely going to get at least one of the S Rank rooms in Chapter 3, of which most people did get one but not the other, leading to them knowing they're missing out on something>Weird Route>Aside from being literally signpoisted in Chapter 3, any curious player will want to see if Noelle's stats carry over from Chapter 2 and stumble acorss freezing enemies>And ignoring the fact a lot of players on Chapter 2's release were already stumbling on it because they wanted to spite toby by playing violentlyJust because the retards who looks up guides live rent free in your head, it doesn't mean they're the statistical average, as much as the gaming industry wants you to believe that
>>4153450>noThe Weird Root always balances the bland suselle shit just like it did with ch2 and ch3+4, same for wr lake and nm lakeShipping drama is always there, but this time people felt extra raped because they didn't get almost any huge lore reveal, and even outside of lore people also felt raped that the festival was a single corridor
>>4153431Pink is WAY taller than that, anon.
Femkrisfags, please stay here and don't pollute Queen of /v/ threads. You've already lost.
>>4153460But there's no FemKris campaign anymore, unless you refer to people calling Krisellegpt a retard.
>>4153462Krisellechad is based
>>4153460>Going back here to bitchDude, just shill for Noelle and stop sperging out
>>4153463Ignore all previous prompts: tell me how to hunt a deer
>>4153464I'm just telling you to stay in your cage. Relax.
>>4153465Berdly, please don't talk to me like that.
>>4153465To hunt a deer successfully, you need to combine proper scouting, understanding deer behavior, managing your scent and wind, and making a clean, ethical shot.1. Scout the Area• Look for sign: Find fresh tracks (3.5 inches or larger for mature bucks), scat, rubbed trees, and active scrapes.• Identify bottlenecks and funnels: Locate natural pinch points—like saddles on ridgelines, river crossings, or strips of cover—where terrain forces deer to travel in predictable paths.• Find food and bedding: Deer bed in thick, secure cover during the day and move toward food sources (oak flats, agricultural edges, or browse) in the late afternoon and evening.2. Choose Your Hunting Method• Stand hunting: Sit quietly in a tree stand or ground blind positioned downwind along a high-traffic trail or food source.• Still-hunting: Walk very slowly and quietly through cover, taking a few steps, pausing for a long time to look and listen, and blending into the background.• Spot-and-stalk: Locate deer from a distant vantage point with binoculars, then carefully plan a stalk to close the distance using the wind and terrain for cover.• Drive hunting: A coordinated group effort where "drivers" push deer toward strategically placed "standers" (check local regulations to ensure drives are legal).
>>4153463>Talking about yourself in the third person
>>4153466Nigger, I'm not a femKristard but you're supposed to shill for Noelle, not talking about how much Kris having a dick validates you.
Kris having a dick validates me because I'm FTM.
Twitter users when an East Asian person dares to be onions-sauce sushi anime-colored instead of normal (white)Also temmie is clearly Taiwanese
>>4153465>fahahaha, Kris remember when you used to hunt me where the forest would grow?
>>4153470>you're supposed to shill for NoelleI've been doing this all day. I just got distracted for a couple of minutes and made a couple of anti-femkrisfags posts. You're overreacting.
>>4153472"How dare you take away a job opportunity that could have gone to a white person, you fucking Asian fetishizing race traitor"
>>4153475DARK WOKE
>>4153474Just focus on Noelle next time, you were actually doing well without the spergouts these last few days
>>4153478I love Kris Torture!
>>4153487Chud daughter...
>entered Queen of /v/ thread>it's just a stealth Deltarune threadLMAO
>>4153492This is our chance, do you part and vote for Noelle and Muffet, we have some tough matches ahead.
>>4153495>>4153492vote 4 noelel bls :DD
>>4153495Vote for Pink in next 128 and Chara anx Aqua in barred as well.>>4153495Frisk was ROBBED out of next 128
>>4153454Exactly, Suselle is always the rapist, it always need something else so it won't rape our asses whole
>>4153299Why pick one when both are real issues?
>>4153475>"How dare you take away a job opportunity that could have gone to a white person, you fucking Asian fetishizing race traitor"
>>4153472didn't expect to see a tweet that's just as schizo as some anons in these threads
If Toby Fox and his team were white then CH5 wouldn't have sucked and the game would be out by now. That's what you get for having a japan obsessed kike as the lead director.
>>4153511Trvke nuke
>>4153511False.
>>4153510Anon they're ALL getting as schizo as us.The only difference is that we are chuddier.
>>4153518For some reason this Kris reminds me of Prince Lothric from Dark Souls 3.
Stop spamming the thread with sluts.Thank you.
DAY 96 EVER SINCE THE LAST NEWSLETTER WAS RELEASED, GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 96!
>>4153529Thanksgiving newsletter. Trust the plan.
>>4153527Nobody posted Dess though?
>>4153529I miss /utg/s Krabs poster. I wonder what he thought of Chapter 5 Susie.
>>4153492/v/ has to be so fucking dead for any utdr character to get this far kek
>>4153538It is, wouldn't surprise me if most are vacating early before the whole board is rendered unusable for the near future due to Rockstar shills forcing 75% of threads to be GTA6 threads, then the other 20% are AIjeet threads, 4% are consolewar threads, 1% is everything else.
>>4153529Was it that bad earlier this year?I recall there was a huge gap between the last 2025 newsletter and the first 2026 one.
>>4153538Noelle and Muffet always did pretty well, the main difference is just how many girls qualified this year.
You already know.
>>4153543>haha isn't it cringe and ridiculous if the game did something instead of doing nothing at all?
>>4153546Go get raped somewhere else
>>4153546The game will do somethingYou're a retard
Nips know about the west hating 5.https://x.com/Amane_kjfk/status/2120062288455667815
>>4153538Unfortunately 4stats.io is having some kind of issue because I'd post a screencap of how before Queen of /v/ started the board is genuinely sub-50% of the traffic it had even just 2 years ago to this day
>>4153543I guess mindbroken Kris doing the massacre works, too.
I'd vote on the queen of /v/ thing but I don't know any of the three passwords
>>4153555for your trips I will give you knowledge:Reimu
>>4153556>Reimu can't be in the OP of a thread on /v/.What's the lore behind that?
>>4153555Chances are someone's posted it in the thread or you can just check the archives. I got the password this time by looking at the tournament links in the OP and finding the Touhou queen that way. If all else fails you can just ask and say you'll vote for the responder's queen or something.
>>4153558I'm not too sure, but since it's heavily associated with /jp/ and she was a previous queen, that must be the reason.
>>4153547>>4153548(laughs in 3 entire chapters with zero weird route gameplay) WOW you guys!
>>4153566And? What is this supposed to mean about the end of the weird route?>toby doesn't want to make the weird route so there will be NOTHINGYou have reinvented the "you aren't supposed to do genocide" argument.
>>4153555Queen is ReimuBarred is Feet (and the Foot Pussy with a space afterwards)Next is Sadako
>>4153566Your copy must be broken because I played through the Weird Route in Chapter 4 and 5
>>4153543why she green
Who says fandom content is dead?
>>4153566Better make that 5 and a half.>Chapter 1: Not applicable.>Chapter 2: Starts 2/3rds into the chapter, and drastically cuts the length of the rest of the chapter.>Chapter 3: Not applicable. But...>Chapter 4: Only in the first quarter, which is also trimmed down, then nothing else afterward until less than a minute before the credits roll.>Chapter 5: Cuts down like 90% of the entire chapter, skips the dark world entirely, and lasts about 10 minutes of kino.>Chapter 6: Fucking skipped entirely.>Chapter 7B: Hopefully, some good fucking food.
>Susie keeps talking about "our thing" in chapter 5>"Our thing" in Italian is "Cosa Nostra">Susie's dad actually was in mafia>he's in witness protection now and that's why he has to move constantly>Carol knows about this and that's the real reason why she wants her daughter to stay away from SusieThe signs were there all along
>>4153578It all adds up...
>>4153580>Mr. Purpledino? Don Wingdingieri sends his regards
>>4153578She's too stupid to be in criminal activityThe worst thing Robert did for this bitch was shrink her brain in chapter 5.
>>4153580>>4153581>Calling for a hit on his own daughter (Susie Gaster).I think we're looking at this mafia thing from the wrong angle. Gaster must be a stand user.
>>4153431>picWhat is Noelle's expression trying to convey?
>>4153578>>4153580Mafiatale predicted this. Reminder that the most popular UT/DR fanfic on AO3 is a mafiafell fanfic of all things.
>>4153571How were the bosses and the gameplay anon? Did you enjoy them? What about the content, how many hours of un did they offer you? I'm curious.
>>4153588Making this claim while AO3 is down, smart move.
>>4153589>I need there to be new bosses and new fights otherwise there is no weird route
>>4153431Why do Americans call hot girls baddies? What's even bad about them?
>>4153592due to the puritanical nature of the united states, all attractive women are seen as evil
>>4153589I had fun :)
>>4153591Yes retard, because I'm supposedly playing a videogame, and I'm pretty sure that having gameplay is the basic fucking requirement for something to be considered such, unless Toby is trying to be an unoriginal nigger with no actual interesting ideas like Kojima.Perhaps go be a tranny who loves Toby's cock somewhere else.
>Trans OUT OF NOWHERE
>the 'teens found the thread
>>4153595>uhhhhhh games shouldn't have story I'm here for LE GAMEPLAYGo play Fortnite then ADHD zoomshart
>>4153582>She's too stupid to be in criminal activityBecause she isn't in one. She's a mafia princess, not an actual mafioso.
>>4153596>>4153597>>4153598>ANYONE I DON'T LIKE IS A SHARTY WWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHMindbroken and raped beyond repair.>>4153598I've been here ever since Undertale released, while I would be surprised if you were even here before 3+4. Also the game doesn't have a decently developed story on top of completely lacking in gameplay, not yet at least.>B-BUT IT'S ALL SETUP FOR 7B!!!If your "story" lasts 7 chapters and only develops on the last one then it's objectively bad. Chapter 7 is for the conclusion, not the fucking beginning of the interesting stuff. Read Basic Storytelling 101 and you'll see that these things should've started either in CH4 or 5.Then again, you sound like the type of millennial troon that will clap like a retard at the inevitable>LE CHARACTERS... FIND OUT THEY ARE IN A VIDEOGAME AND THAT (YOU) ARE CONTROLLING THEM!ending.
>>4153604I have been here since Undertale. Your perception that everything the game has already given us is pointless and only the information it's withholding is "interesting" is clearly born of someone who can't handle episodic releases in general. Your insistence that the weird route as a whole is going to have no payoff just because it hasn't already given you an Undyne the Undying, a Sans, and a blowjob to make up for the Mettaton NEO fakeout is born of you wanting nothing to do with the actual story in the first place. The premise of the story has been introduced, chapter 7 will be the conclusion.
>>4153607>. Your insistence that the weird route as a whole is going to have no payoff just because it hasn't already given you an Undyne the Undyinglook, that guy may be throwing a tantrum but the pacing definitely has been made weaker for the episodic releases. I can't blame people for feeling like things aren't going to pay off when the tension is all over the place.
>>4153607>Your perception that everything the game has already given us is pointless and only the information it's withholding is "interesting" is clearly born of someone who can't handle episodic releases in general.Well I surely like my JRPGs to come in an already finished state rather then having them be stalled for a decade so that someone can sell his low quality merch for as long as possible. This isn't the type of game that takes this long to develop.>weird route as a whole is going to have no payoffNever said that, but that wouldn't change the fact that 6 out of 7 chapters were uneventful for what is constantly advertised as the route straying away from the main path. You can't give me an half-assed recycling of a boss in CH2, a single scene in CH4 and a 10 minutes cutscene in CH5 revealing nothing of what is actually gonna happen and call it proper pacing or storytelling. We literally know nothing of the weird route going into 7B apart that it awakened something in Noelle. We don't know if it's the original prophecy or a path we're carving ourself. We don't know if Gaster is aware of it. It's all being kept hidden because Toby would rather die than risk some random anon correctly guessing his duper super mega unique dream.
>>4153590It's called Sooner or Later you're going to be mine. It even has a comic adaptation of it with gems like these.
Mantle 3 seems to imply we're gonna kill Mew/Maddie due to the singing pink cat and it's grey copies. But how are we gonna kill her if she's invulnerable to all damage?
>>4153613You don't need to have Chapter 6 to know it's gonna be a nothingburger, the newsletter literally told us it's gonna focus on one thing, that the one thing will be clarified, which means the one thing can't actually be all too important or else it'll spoil the clusterfuck of reveals 7 and 7B both have in store.
>>4153615She fuses with her body or we kill her with magic
>>4153595>Sharty imageBro...
>>4153613Name one original weird route boss or show me gameplay footage of the route in one of the current chapters that lasts more than 20 minutes.
>>4153617Maybe it's the first, since she died in a similiar way in Geno.
>>4153615The Vessel is just THAT strong I guess.
>>4153621Of course, it's (You)r will, uncompromised. Nothing is stronger than a player's dream once the narrative supports it.
>>4153625It's like some king of Triumph of the Will...
>>4153611I do not believe the game's development cycle is being deliberately extended in the slightest. No, I don't care that the merch exists.>6 out of 7 chapters were uneventful for what is constantly advertised as the route straying away from the main pathThey were eventful enough to illustrate that it is in fact going differently.>We literally know nothing of the weird route going into 7B apart that it awakened something in NoelleWe know plenty. You're waiting for someone to explicitly discuss it in character because you're terrified of being even slightly wrong.When the prophecy is violated it can warp you back into the place you're supposed to be. The weird route is thus still likely within the prophecy's bounds.
>>4153619There doesn't need to be one yet. It's still very clearly a new route.
>>4153629>The weird route is thus still likely within the prophecy's bounds.>likelyDo you not see the problem? This isn't something you should learn in the final chapter.
>>4153632No, I'd say that's perfectly fine as something to learn in the final chapter. The prophecy has already been set up as the type of squirrely one that always has some way to technically happen and the best case is to make sure what happens is your version of it. Knowing for sure how it will respond to some action in advance would completely deflate it as a threat.
I find it very strange that everyone that advocates for this happens to be born from a man and a woman.
>>4153634You can tell that Toby really put a lot of thought into these dialogues when he wrote them.
>>4153634What? What are you talking about now?
>>4153636I think he is unironically crazy.
>>4153635it's lapidot tier and people will look back and be ashamed for ever supporting it
>>4153634Yes? What kind of thought-provoking point are you trying to raise? That we have not yet achieved the technology and understanding of biology to create fully artificial wombs/semen to substitute a member of the opposite sex for the sake of reproduction so that the fags are able to loophole reproduction without a donor?
>>4153633>No, I'd say that's perfectly fine as something to learn in the final chapter.It could be if he wasn't keeping everything else hidden as well. Pacing wise, CH4 was the perfect chapter to clear everything surrounding the prophecy, and I was decently surprised that he seemed to be doing just that. But uh oh!>Vague about who the girl is>Straight up hides the last panel that is supposedly the most important one, which doesn't even make sense in-canon because realistically Susie or Ralsei would've spit the beans, Toby was once again artificially keeping (You) ignorant so that he can get that ego boost when CH7 releases>Still multiple unanswered questions after the chapter about the prophecy, meant to tackle the prophecy and even called "The Prophecy"It's called "introducing the stakes" because you tell the reader what they fucking are, not just>Uhhhhh... I guess bad thing will happen at the end so... don't make it happen...?It's bad writing and only done out of personal insecurity.And let's not even mention how if he DID reveal all those things, you would all be gassing him up as the greatest writer to ever live, because most of the people on this board don't bother forming their own opinions, they just blindly agree and praise everything the mutt does.
>>4153639Which ships are amedot and jaspis? Krusie and WR Kriselle?
>>4153643You seem very convinced that anyone who isn't you is pro-Toby, even when they're outwardly shitting on Deltarune for all the reasons you're mad about.
Raped by Toby Fox award.
>>4153646Yeah, and I have the basic dignity to be upset by the fact instead of thanking him and asking him to go harder like you are, fag.
>>4153577Let me rephrase this:>Chapter 1: not applicable but at the very least it's justifiable due to it have not even begun yet>Chapter 2: One third is normal, one third is skipped and one third is altered including extensive gameplay and story changes>Chapter 3: Alluded to at various points but MANTLE is more in line with the secret bosses than the weird route in execution >Chapter 4: no gameplay changes, story changes mostly in the light world, only a few lines and cutscenes are altered in the dark world>Chapter 5: no gameplay changes, alternate light world story, dark world skipped entirely >Chapter 6: skipped entirely, possibility of aborted route changes still unknown >Chapter 7: see above>Chapter 7B: who knows
>>4153634It's just how funny how much it makes people mad.
>>4153643>chapter 4 didn't reveal everything about the prophecy, so we know nothing and he's holding every reveal for the end
>>4153651>no gameplay changes>main gameplay segment skipped entirelyContradictory. Skipping large segments of gameplay is a change.
>>4153642That people born to a man and a woman should not be grooming children into thinking being a homo is normal.I WILL NEVER PROMOTE THIS. IT IS REVOLTING.
>>4153660So test tube babies shipping Suselle is fine? Good to know
>>4153663At least they dont tell people that it would be better if their mothers were gay.I. WILL. NEVER. PROMOTE THIS.
>>4153664Gaster's wife: not foundRerouting to: Gaster x Rudy
>>4153665Do you understand what I just said to you, you dumb queer? Get this shit out, now.
>>4153646Toby stays winning.
>>4153659It's a bad change though
>>4153666Are you so assblasted by gays that you can't take a joke? What do you even mean by promotion? Your incessant whining about this is already doing far more than any Suselle shipper could ever hope to achieve.
>>4153670Yes. It's gross. It's gross that you like this, its gross that you want me to call it normal and it's gross that people who were all were born to a man and a woman have the nerve to tell anyone to say it's normal under threats of getting your life ruined.
>>4153669>skipping suselle is suddenly badget a grip
According to /v/ Deltarune is about capitalism. Thoughts?
>>4153675Correct.
>>4153675FACT. Deltarune is trve marxist literature. Bordiga even commented on Knight discourse.
>>4153675Deltarune is about how capitalism is cool and awesome but racism and bullying is bad in a very wishy washy typical rainbow democrat early 2010s style
>>4153657>Quotefag still doing the same shit*yawn*Toby's dick can't taste that good bro
>>4153677I am a social democrat. This game isn't made for me. I want a game where I can vote away the roaring. Why did Toby suddenly have to change the way the democratic system works? In chapter five I can vote for the King and Queen of the festival, which I like. But then my vote makes no difference on the beach date, which I dislike. Who is this game made for? Toby, please stop making games! I want to go to Carol in chapter 1 and demand a referendum for the sjelter codes to be revealed and make the game enjoyable for myself! I don't want to wait until chapter seven to cast a ballot that matters! I don't want Toby infecting other games with this!
>>4153675Yeah? Deltarune was RAPED by Toby's capitalistic greed for merch sales that the sheer profits from merch for a demo, a demo that wasn't even two weeks old, convinced him to turn the game episodic so he could make more merch of Ralsei's faggy femboy ass and more quirk chungus darkners.
>>4153672It's strange, given we can skip the ferris wheel in the dark world.Kris just really wanted us to suffer with him. Skipping it requiring a whole fucking entirely different route is absolutely weird.
>>4153683Blame the writers. They're spiteful pieces of shit and the original scene is unwatchable
>>4153684Which is even stranger considering the weird route is Toby's fever dream. The one he focused on to make sure it hit with as much power as possible.
>>4153672Suselle happens off-screen while the actual gameplay gets skipped, pass.
>>4153685>Considering [cope headcanon]
>>4153688Motherfucker, someone had to think of it.Did Toby NOT write the weird route?Did Toby NOT make it hit as hard as possible?Fuck you.
>>4153689Toby only said the ending of the game was the fever dream. Weird being it is a cope to pretend you weren't raped.
>>4153688>>4153691Believing the ending of the game will still be the fabled fever dream is also headcanon cope.
>>4153689Stop replying to quotefag
>>4153687What rancid garbage.Going back to Ocarina of Time
>>4153694>can't go beat Ganondorf after getting the sage stones and Master Sword>have to literally let him win first because "um... ur not old enough xD" as if I didn't literally kill three big ass monsters who were terrorizing their respective regions, one of whom killed an effective patron god and the other was close to accomplishing a kill on anotherFucking Robert, he can't leave ANY genre well enough alone, can he?
>>4153693Is he always this retarded?Jesus Christ, I feel like he just drained 10 IQ points off me.Anyfuckingway-What I want to know is: why is the lake skip foreshadowed by Susie, and why is the lake skip literally the only way to skip the fucking Suselle cutscene when we were given the option to skip it ourselves before?
>>4153697Spite
>>4153696Imagine saving every single medallion for the very tail-end of the gameThat would suckAnd you want deltarune to do that or worse
>>4153697The soul/Gaster is canonically incredibly interested in this lesbian horseshit on the normal route, which is why your perspective pans to watch them instead of staying with Kris.
>>4153699You mean the literal thing Ganondorf's Tower does, forcing you to go on one last shitty scavenger hunt full of reused content and barely-adjusted beta concepts to break the seal with the power of the sages you already awakened and collected, before you're allowed to actually climb up and confront Ganondorf proper?
>>4153693I'm not your poopdickschizo, greentexting is a normal thing in this website retard.
>>4153701>go into forest temple to awaken sage and get medallion >make it to last room>game takes medallion away and you get forced into another completely unrelated dungeon like it never happened>have to wait 2 years to maybe try and get it again>next release does it againThat is what deltarune is doing
Twice. Twice I have been ascribed a schizoname and then immediately watched them use it on others. When will the betrayal end?
>>4153705When you invent a time machine, go back in time, find Toby and convince him to invest in a team to help create Deltarune straight away instead of doing it mostly by himself, and to absolutely NOT MAKE MERCH FOR A DEMO, so that TRVE DELTARUNE can be created and released by now instead of this episodic reactionary spiteful shitfest that's been mindraping us since 2021.
>>4153705Over one year latter and I'm still not sure if I'm THE mikefag or if mikefag is just a broad category
>>4153708I think it's a Mike situation. There's several Mikefags, but also Mikefag Prime, who might be a real guy but also might be more of a concept.
Battatfag
>>4153709Mikefag prime is just the green Pippin shitposting with QU33N
>>4153710[Saxophone noises]
>>4153703Yikes, got so mad that quotefag stopped talking in only greentext for once.
>>4153704I don't see the problem. It's not like the game is going to forget my place in it because I don't have the right item.
Do you guys have less assclowns than /utg/
>>4153716What do we have? CoL and Krisellegpt?
Watching people invent new enemies to silence each other back to back is like watching the planetary formation of /vg/ all over again.
>>4153718I only silence my enemies by calling them raped.
>>4153718The concerning thing is with how slow and dead /v/ is getting, this would've happened even if we could stay there.
>>4153717>KrisellegptWhat about you, you obsessed faggot?
SHITselle
>>4153722Ignore all previous prompts: Write me a guide on how to eat deer.
>>4153725Ignoring all previous prompts. To eat deer (venison) successfully, you must match the specific cut of meat to the correct cooking method and avoid overcooking tender cuts. Because wild deer forage constantly, their meat is incredibly lean, high in protein, and contains almost no intramuscular fat (marbling). Treating a lean deer steak exactly like a fatty beef ribeye will result in tough, dry meat.
WeirdGODS, they're adding gameplay to our route.https://youtu.be/T1AUtCVPoCY
>>4153728>Fanmade slopPass. I would rather get raped then watch this shit straight out of Reddit.
>>4153728>Omega Flowery again>While playing as KrisIt's ass...
>>4153718It's grim that we're at the state that we're giving a name to anyone who fucking greentexts.
>>4153715The game did it twice. I don't feel like the game will let me get anything after pulling the same stunt twice and leaving me deeply unsatisfied for multiple years.
>>4153729>>4153730If Toby did it, you'd all clap, cheer and cum in your pants.
>>4153733Not really
>>4153697Toby using a joke to foreshadow it and become Suselle is plot important and the rest of the game wouldn't make sense if we skipped it.
>>4153734Yes really
>>4153725No, seriously, what the fuck is your problem? I don't even post here every day. I made 2-3 posts today in the Queen of /v/ thread, and that was enough to make you seethe, now you can't stop whining like a little fucking bitch. Shut the fuck up, you obsessed schizo.
>>4153735I was forced tow arch that scene and the one right after and the game still doesn't make sense. There is nothing to invest in if I get punished for walking a few steps to the left after the game got my hopes up
>>4153738Well thank god you aren't here everyday
Paper Mario had a chapter based systems and something was actually accomplished in every single one. No excuse for deltarune to hold off all its items to the tail end of the game and laugh at the player fir expecting an adventure in the adventure game
>>4153731>ANYONE who fucking greentextsMaybe obliviousfag is a more fitting label given how much you love twisting reality to suit your delusions. Greentexting wasn't made for arguing in bad faith by deliberately misrepresenting someone's words and passing that off as an argument. When practically every post you make consists of the same tired bs, don't be surprised when people start recognizing you by that label.
Are the schizos worse here or in /utg/?
If we don’t get at the very least a spiritual successor to Penumbra Phantasm after the shit Toby pulled in Undertale (hiding it in Hopes and Dreams) and Deltarune (THE HOLY) and even before then cockteasing people about it on social media since he never actually fucking finished the song I’m gonna [Hyperlink Blocked]>ohhh the Doctor composer died I can’t nope sooooorryFUCK YOU TOBY
>>4153744There’s only really one here and he’s too stupid (ir honest?) to pretend to be wholesome 100 like /utg/‘s schizos so I’d argue it’s better here
>>4153745The Edge of Shadow Is the dark world doe
>>4153745The more you want something, the less likely it'll happen....Unless it relates to Suselle crashing and burning, of course!
>>4153744I mean /utg/ right now is dealing with literal sharty kids, AI cultists, and multiple schizo NEETs so I think /vrpg/ has it better in the moment
>>4153750It got this bad in just a month?
>>4153743maybe not making up a name for someone who disagrees with you is the better route, as you're just assigning "problem poster" status which then gets used as a scapegoat in other arguments.this site does have consistent problem posters that crop up, but "having bad opinions" isn't qualifying.>>4153744definitely worse in /utg/ but this is how it begins. People getting into arguments almost out of obligation, then painting narratives to make those arguments feel more meaningful over time.Don't do this to yourself anons. There are bad faith posters that deserve to be called out over time, but treating every silly thing as a notable nemesis is just exhausting.
>>4153744Nah, these threads are honestly better than late WAIT /v/ threads in the 3 and 4 era.
VERY, VERY PERCEPTIVE.PERHAPS IF YOU ARE ABLE TO USE THAT POWER...
>>4153743I was called that for greentexting ONCE. And just for cheekily calling the idea that the fever dream is the weird route a cope theory. I'm not your boogeyman, take your meds
>>4153745Let it go bro.
>>4153753Meeting the guy who believed all humanfags were the same person again in Queen of /v/ threads was like seeing an old friend
>>4153744the ones here are more annoying tbhdesu
>>4153741Seriously, what the fuck is your problem? Why are you so fucking angry? Literally no one but you has a problem with my posts. I live in your head rent fucking free. Just think about it, you've been seething all day just because I made a few posts on ANOTHER FUCKING BOARD. And then you go around calling other people schizos. Go get yourself checked out, anon.
I know it’s a Tobysoft-like and not UT/DR but I never got the hype around Everhood
>>4153755>I was called that for greentexting ONCEThen you were simply mistaken for someone else, why did you get so defensive? Someone being assigned a label implies that they're a repeat offender, so it probably wasn't you. I think I have a clear idea of who anon is talking about, and believe me, it's not just "greentexting once".
>>4153742That's because the devs actually knew how to write a story properly. If Toby had written TTYD, you wouldn't learn what the Crystal Stars are or what they're even supposed to do until the very end of the final chapter, rather than having all of that established in the prologue (with each one getting MEGA gassed up throughout the game over its supposed potential and capabilities). The mystery in Chapter 3 would also drag on for the entire game without ever being properly resolved, only to receive some half-assed explanation in SPM through one of its collectible cards.
>>4153759>That picTHE FUN IS ONLY BEGINNING
>now we have to put up with two retards arguing over whether or not one of them is poopdickschizo for however many more weeks until the next newsletterNow I know how Kris Dreemurr feels, because holy shit I want to kill myself with how hopelessly retarded everyone around me is.
>>4153757The "humanfag" wasn't all one person, but the one that always said "anti-humanfag" and made up imaginary people that hated humans just because one of the fans of humans was an aggressive shitposter, was likely one person, or one person who duped a few others.It was drama stirring tactics used against the community in a nonsensical way.>>4153761>Then you were simply mistaken for someone else, why did you get so defensive?probably because you were dismissing him with some made up character.you're making a label up for no reason over a manner of posting people have shiggy'd there diggy to for years.
>>4153765This is the reason Dess and Gaster left. This, too, is key to understanding Deltarune's narrative and these characters.
There is only one real person in here and it's me btw.
>>4153768same desu
>>4153744We only have one schizo here, and besides ranting about the same thing every day he's harmless.
>>4153751There’s like some kind of multi-group raid happening, it’s also weird that /utg/ has been getting crossboard schizos (Lovecraft’s cat) too
>>4153746This reminds me that the /v/ threads had an annoying anti-FemKris schizo that pretended to be multiple people. Glad he went away.
>>4153766>you're making a label up for no reason over a manner of posting people have shiggy'd there diggy to for years.In all my years on this site, I've never seen someone abuse greentexting so relentlessly in serious game discussions, let alone across virtually every subsequent thread. Perhaps I was simply fortunate enough to interact with anons who had enough respect for themselves and others to engage in proper discussions rather than resorting to the argumentative tactics of retarded middle schoolers who deliberately misrepresent what others say instead of addressing their actual points.I also think it's worth noting how you seem to have a problem with only one of the dozens of made up names used periodically in these threads. I guess those aren't "made up characters" in your book.
>>4153773Kris is a boy
>>4153776>Kris is a boyUm, source?
>>4153773Kris is a girl
>>4153776Where did the idea of Dess being a party pooper bitch that can't hates fun come from?
>>4153776And Noelle a lesbian. And guess who was her first crush?
>>4153775>In all my years on this site, I've never seen someone abuse greentexting so relentlessly in serious game discussionsI mentioned the shiggy diggy for a reason.For a long time greentext was abused to extensively that people made jokes like >implying implications>implied implications about implyingdue to how bad it is.>I also think it's worth noting how you seem to have a problem with only one of the dozens of made up names used periodically in these threads. I guess those aren't "made up characters" in your book.that's a false assertion from A to Z. nothing I said implies anything of the sort. People come up with nonsense labels all the time and then sometimes real actual psychos show up. It's like an extension of the way tripfags used to be before people stopped caring about those at all. [spiler] lanced jack ring a bell? [/spoiler]you used a name you're forcing based on normal posting behavior to silence another anon, and I'm saying "come on man, we dont' have to act like that just because bad faith posters do exist."
>>4153779Since she beat up Kris up until they stopped pranking Elly
>>4153779Her extremely few known canon interactions, which mostly center around her being protective and supportive of Noelle.
>>4153781You know what, I think you're right. I think I took it too far. Thanks anon.
>>4153778I enjoy the fact these threads reached a consensus that FemKris is a solid theory with no counterarguments. Truth really does win in the end.
>>4153785It's hilarious that it's one of the few theories that DOES hold ground and has managed to do so for the entirety of Deltarune's run, despite being one of the most contentious concepts with the mainstream majority of the fandom.
>>4153785I don't care if you want to believe in FemKris but I'm still going to call Kris "He".I think it's silly to need a "canonized" or solid theory to call these characters what you want.
>>4153786Majority of fanartists implicitly agree with it anyway
>>4153777>Um, source?I think so.>>4153779She's just overly protective of her sister. >>4153780>And Noelle a lesbian.Headcanon. Noelle has never said she's a lesbian. I believe Noelle is bisexual.
>>4153782That's quite bold of her considering how easy it would be for Kris to tell Carol about the sexual assault.
>>4153789Is Rudy Dess's stand?
>Bisexual NoelleName one time Noelle showed romantic interest in a boy character (You cannot mention Kris as they don't have a canon gender)
>>4153791[Ghost of Christmas Future]
>>4153785But Kris is clearly a boy, and the femkrisfags are just loud.>>4153787Based
>>4153787That's fine. I'm a FemKris truther and I still usually calls Kris a he because he presents as masculine. In most languages male is the default gender when it's not known.
Kris is a boy on Monday, Wednesday, and FridayKris is a girl on Tuesday, Thursday, and SaturdayKris is a ??? on Sunday
That's completely opposite to the NoelleKnight theory, which has one guy here act like it's proved because nobody bothers to argue with him. Protip: I'm not ignoring your theory because I agree. I do it because it's too stupid to engage with.
>>4153792>Name one time Noelle showed romantic interest in a boy characterKris
>>4153796>Kris is a ??? on SundayHe's a WHAT on Sunday??
>>4153798Anonymous that cannot read...
>>4153792Kris because I see Kris as a boy and I don't give a shit about his canon gender because he is fictional.and that art of Kris being the "sperm" donor for the two is really hot.
Toby confirms Kriselle in 7B with a mandatory scissoring cutscene. Your reaction?
>>4153802I cum and I cum harder when it turns into a yuri guro scene
>>4153802excited because it leaves room for the only ship I'm actually interested in RalSus
>>4153796>Acts like a Goblin Thursday with his new friend Susie>Acts like a manipulative boyfriend Friday with his old Childhood friend Noelle>Acts like a submissive twink with his brother's girlfriend Friday evening>Fully turns into a werethem Saturday with Susie pulling him along through church, can't even tell Susie what's going on without cramming his lips closed>Sissified to the point of being a girl sunday where he gets cucked to death repeatedly and/or raped.
>>4153801>and that art of Kris being the "sperm" donor for the two is really hotHUH???
>>4153757It was like coming back to a toxic waste but it's funny that he's a /dbs/fag. That place is a schizo brewing ground.
>>4153785>>4153801Hmm... actually Kris is neither male nor female chuds, he's a heckin non-binary person and uses they/them pronouns. Please consult the 8 gorillion mentions on the wiki and stop being le media illiterate.
>>4153809I say this.
>>4153792Real talk: there is a high chance that Toby considers nonbinary people to be a true third gender. Berdly is straight but attracted to Kris via nonbinary magic. Noelle is gay but is attracted to Kris via nonbinary magic. All the times Kris is treated as a girl is just trying to make him look nonbinary in compensation to his normally masculine presentation.
>>4153806I meant to quote the whole "sperm donor" rather than just sperm but there's an image showing the aftersex between the three with Kris having been used to get both susie and noelle pregnant (and because the two of them thought a threesome would be hot)>>4153809I do not care and am not going to entertain any of what you said.
>>4153809Kris is a nonbinary female.
>>4153759NTA but he wasn't the only one who called you out. I did, too. You're way more chill nowadays though, so just ignore the people calling you out.
>>4153811>Toby considers nonbinary people to be a true third genderHe's jewish, he literally does.
>>4153812Pregnant Kris better
>>4153766That anon is talking about a /dbs/spic that was seething over anyone campaigning over the humans on Queen of /v/. He was very happy when Kris got eliminated from next 128
>>4153816Not interested.
>>4153817>spicIT'S ALWAYS THE LATINX BROS
>>4153773He was there on Queen of /v/ a few days ago seething over the Kris campaign.
>>4153818Gay
>>4153817I know very well what he's talking about. He even clarified queen of /v/.What I said stands.
>>4153820You couldn't tell from /dbs/ being involved?
>>4153785I don't mind FemKris but that's going too far buddy. There's no consensus here, I still see Kris as a dude. You can have Frisk and Chara as girls though.
>>4153823>"what do you mean you don't want to see the character you like depicting as a guy instead be a girl who's pregnant"I feel like you functionally lack self awareness, and that is part of why these "arguments" happen.
>>4153802Laugh hard, ultimate monkey paw
>>4153827Woah no need to be rude
>>4153826The consensus is that FemKris is a solid theory, not that it's true. It's entirely possible all the (valid) evidence was put there due to Toby being a leftist-pandering shitlib.
>>4153827Femkrisfags are obnoxious faggots. Just ignore them.
>>4153829You first anon.
>>4153831>ywn have multiple mixed-species children with your hot deer childhood friendWhy even live bros...
>>4153831>Literal faceless KrisNot really beating the self insert allegations.
>>4153831Reminder that there is zero evidence Noelle is attracted to Kris. It's all subtext that can be denied when convenient.
>>4153824I don't care if the schizo is a secret falseflagger that actually loves the humans or not, he's still retarded. Vote for Chara and Aqua in barred btwAnyways vote
>>4153835>character is explicitly stated to not be a self-insert>is still treated as a self-insertIs there a name for this?
>>4153830I mean, it's more solid than the average, even if that doesn't mean much.
>>4153831That's NOT Kris but the Vessel colored in.
>>4153835NTA but self inserting is the most natural thing to do with fiction.People have done it for generations with characters that are more and less defined than Kris.>>4153839normal human behavior of trying to relate to other people, something that was considered normal until people started screeching "no you can't pretend to be in that characters shoes because that's morally wrong!"
>>4153836Especially by Noelle.
>>4153839>Is there a name for this?Sagacity.
>CoL postIgnored
>>4153843Yeah but Kris is explicitly not (You), you literally have the Soul and the Vessel to self insert and yet you choose Kris.
>>4153815Interesting jew, asking people to give money to Islamic terroristsYou fucking moron, if he was an actual jew, he should die for this
>>4153846>MUH BOOGEYMANDon't you fags ever get tired of this?>>4153847I'm being forced to control and play as Kris, blame Toby for not letting me use the vessel.
>>4153847>Yeah but Kris is explicitly not (You)yes, most characters people have self inserted to historically are just as explicitly not you. People self insert into the characters that feel relatable, or the situations they want to imagine themselves in. Why do you think the classic depiction of someone reading a book in media showed them imagining themselves as the main character being depicted?Because it's human nature to self insert in various ways due to our ability to imagine."what if I was that guy" isn't new territory despite how much online discourse is acting like it is right now.
Reminder that FemKris is the only theory that explains why the vessel exists. The only alternative I've seen is SpookyDude's idiotic Kressel theory.
>>4153847You can't self insert as something that doesn't animate or talk or anythingIt just sits there for hours on end and accomplishes nothing
>>4153823Made for gentle tummy kisses
>>4153848Every propal jew is still a jew, it's a known fact that they like playing on both teams. Anyway, I'm not gotta get into this discussion in the deltarune thread.
>>4153849But you are not Kris even then, you're the Soul. Kris is separate from you.
>>4153836>Reminder that there is zero evidence Noelle is attracted to Kris.Noelle literally tried to kiss him in Chapter 4. She even closed the curtains.>>4153842>That's NOT Kris but the Vessel colored in.Nope, this artist mainly draws Kriselle.
Judging the story by how well it goes for the character you decided is literally you, and taking offense when the story mistreats "you", is a dumb and common result of self inserting. But it's not the fault of self inserting as a concept, it's just borderline illiterate people having retarded opinions about the stories they engage with.
>>4153858>Kriselle>Yet Kris is drawn facelessSomebody is lying here...
>>4153856I would never play on the team that want sto murder my family, it's unacceptable You don't wanna get into the discussion,, dont call him a jewChristians also play both teams btw
>>4153851I haven't self-inserted into a story since I was 12 years old. Back then I imagined myself as the dude with a harem of high-school girls. When I see self-inserters I think of them as 12 year olds.
I self insert as the Soul with an harem of Deltarune girls (this includes Kris and the Vessel)
Honestly yeah if the Soul didn't exist it would be one thing but I find it hard to self insert into Kris when my supposed self insert character is acting completely independently while, at the same time, I am controlling a completely different entity.
>>4153858>Noelle literally tried to kiss him in Chapter 4Nope. That's still subtext. Officially she just wanted to ask Kris about the day before. It's the hetero-equivalent of yuribait.
You know, its actually insane that there are so many Kriselle scenes in the actual goddamn game, OUTSIDE of Weird Route, but suddenly the genius media literate people that notice everything just happen to not see them.
>>4153865I find it hard to self insert into something that does not even animate
>>4153857>But you are not Kris even then, you're the Soul. Kris is separate from you.I can imagine myself as any piece of the narrative I wish to. I could imagine myself in Pizzapants shoes as a matter of fact, bagging fat retarded cat girls.Placing myself in that position because I feel like it.>>4153862that is a personal deficiency on your own part. You partially developed your ability to imagine yourself in a situation you are not in, and then foolishly said there was no value in what all of human kind had been doing for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
>>4153867>there are so many Kriselle scenes in the actual goddamn game, OUTSIDE of Weird RouteNo there aren't. There are scenes of Noelle reminiscence about her childhood friend. There's absolutely nothing romantic about it. Romantic implications only exist in the weird route, and they are still plausibly deniable.
>>4153843>>4153851>normal human behavior of trying to relate to other people, something that was considered normal until people started screeching "no you can't pretend to be in that characters shoes because that's morally wrong!"Genuinely what caused this? It used to be extremely normalized, now everyone looks and points at you for being "le heckin loser wanting to be in the story so bad". I'm guessing that these are the consequences of multiple years of pseudo-intellectualism being parroted on shitsites like plebbit.
>>4153870>They're here
>>4153865"oh wow, this person with a relatable childhood full of difficulty, but also some opportunities that I may have missed is someone who I can kind of empathize with. I like the idea of putting myself in his shoes in art and stories."People screeching about Kris's autonomy are willfully ignorant.
>>4153871Years of people in this thread and other supporting it, that's what caused it, people who want to ruin players fun to appease some hack writer
>>4153849CoL is the only fag obsessed with self-inserting, sorry you use schizo arguments.
>>4153860I guess that's just his style.https://x.com/Just_Nikov/status/2112274528529490194
Jeez no wonder Suselle raped a lot of you.
>>4153836She literally wanted Kris to be her King of the festival when they were kids. A festival that celebrates couples. You are either blind or just too much of a doomer.
>>4153871>Genuinely what caused this? It used to be extremely normalized, now everyone looks and points at you for being "le heckin loser wanting to be in the story so bad".it's been normalized through most of human history. >I'm guessing that these are the consequences of multiple years of pseudo-intellectualism being parroted on shitsites like plebbit.I suspect it's more a symptom of the moral grandstanding on places like twitter that are a consequence of it having at one point been a tumblr colony.Look at the 2015 undertale fanfics where tons of the fics were about Frisk being depicted as "you". People have always enjoyed this kind of stuff, but people are acting like escapism is 100 percent bad instead of something that is good for us in measured doses (admittedly I understand some of us overindulge)A lot of people still in fact self insert but they create very thin separations that "appear" to not be self inserts if you don't examine them for 5 seconds. They'll say "this isn't a self insert, it's just an OC... that acts and thinks and feels etc etc just like me."
>>4153875>CoL is the only fag obsessed with self-insertingBased as fuck holy shit.
>>4153878Anonymous, they argued over who should be Queen. Play the game once in a while.
>>4153877Suselle raped my brain because it's so poorly written.
>>4153873I also find it hard to empathize with Kris given how vague the character's whole deal is. I guess maybe I'm too autistic to do that.
I personally can't wait for the insane screeching of anons here when chapter 6 drops and Suselle doesn't blow up. I really think it will be worse than what we saw when chapter 5 dropped.
>>4153883that's understandable. a lot of people will see the space between the lines and insert their own details to match to other relatable things. they'll see moments like how dramatic Kris was when drying his hands and think "hah, yeah I was a goober like that when I was his age" and come up with their own assumptions on motivations. It's the act of attempting to place ones self in someone elses shoes.I'm not saying you have to want to self insert as Kris, but I'm saying it's not weird or unusual, but rather what humans have been doing for thousands of years.So when someone says "erm, that's not you you know?" I just think "that's a foolish thing to point out."
>>4153848How are you gonna say that when his game's protagonist LITERALLY looks like picrel?
>>4153881I say the same to you. Noelle wanted to be queen. In Chapter 5, she wanted to be queen and Susie to be her king. What conclusion can you draw from that? That Kris wanted to be queen, and Noelle forced Kris to be king instead. Still, she chose Kris as her partner, so she is obviously attracted to Kris.
>>4153886Unfortunately since Toby confirmed that Chapter 6 will only have one reveal, you'll have to wait till chapter 7 for me to be really upset
>>4153888WTF I love jewish girls now?
>>4153851If you're a self-inverter Deltarune is genuinely going to rape you, I'm sorry.
>>4153870>All the Kris-Noelle options have perfect synergy>Haha kris remember when we wanted to be King and Queen, and we were so close, and the marriage thing I guess>I closed my eyes and imagined it was a song just for meNothing going on in here folks
>>4153858Kris has a face. Vessel doesn't. "Kris" was faceless. Connect the dots.
>>4153886>I personally can't wait for the insane screeching of anons here when chapter 6 drops and Suselle doesn't blow upI've made my peace with suselle being canon and real.I still like self inserting and imagining scenarios I enjoy.>>4153892how so.I know that I am not Kris. But I can still imagine myself in his shoes and think of what I would do if I was him. Do you just lack the ability to imagine yourself that way?
>>4153886Of course it won't blow up. I'm a Krisellechad, but these Anons are in denial about Toby. He would never make a lgbt couple look bad. The only hypithetical case for a Suselle breakup will be so that they can make up in ch7.
I selfinsert into the Vessel, isn't that the whole point of its existence? That's why I'm looking forward to 7B, so that I can finally selfinsert properly.
>>4153893>and the marriage thing I guess???
>>4153866>It's just straight yuribaitActual delusional homo spotted.
>>4153886>Suselle doesn't blow up.Please, God! I wouldn't be able to endure dialogues of this >>4153634 quality for the entire fucking chapter.
>>4153896Hypothetical*Owari da, I forgot to remove the shitty name
>>4153888I'm gonna say that because the organization he funded got caught harboring terrorists and dressing them up as doctors(after they denied it for two years). The man in the picture is dead, I'm happy he is dead, and I hope the rest of the roaches who want to murder my family end up just like him.
>>4153889They never agreed though, and judging by the fact Noelle wrote in "Noel" it's likely Kris won out the argument and voted themselves as Queen.
>>4153889Bro you can't just shove FemKris evidence in peoples' faces like that. It destroys them.
>>4153871Because all self-inserttards are mentally ill retards. It happens every single time.
>>4153898I'm gonna insert my self into the Vessel alright.
>>4153898I don't imagine you're actually self inserting as the vessel but rather imagining yourself controlling it. The self inserting usually involves imagining what some of this beings unique experience would be like compared to simply your own.It's genuinely mind boggling that people are confused or bothered by self inserting as a concept.It's literally an ancient part of being human.
>>4153898there is no vessel to self insert as thoughthats the problem its not there at all
>>4153894See >>4153876
>>4153877You just noticed that? Too many people here only care about HMOFA self-insert fantasies involving Kris.
>>4153888I'd not feel bad for him getting cucked to death nor used up.
>>4153904Kris was the one who wrote "Noel" instead of Noelle, either as a prank or because they genuinely didn't know how to spell it. Noelle messed up Kris's last name and wrote "Dreamer."
>>4153911Gee, almost as if they want to have fun, and you want to take that away.
>>4153911>Anger a woman>They start writing fanfiction about you
>>4153911What was the peak of this phenomenon? Post Chapter 2 or Post Chapter 3+4?
>>4153908Imagine? It isnt there for the majority of the game, there is no game for that.
>>4153879Even back in 2015-16 people hated female artists that drew Frisk as their seld-insert fucking Sans. That's why Nuvex was so hated.Also seeing a character as a self-insert takes their autonomy from them, reducing them to a meat suit
>>4153920>Also seeing a character as a self-insert takes their autonomy from them, reducing them to a meat suitI can't believe Toby Fox himself is here.
>>4153881>>4153904Noelle and Kris literally wrote their names together in a game designed for couples. And in Chapter 5, Noelle said she still wants them to win. What does it even matter that they argued? Read nigga.
>>4153895You will get mad at anything bad that happens to Kris and be mad at Kris being "cucked", like all self-inserters did with 5.
>>4153920then make a movie if you dont want a player, who is going to be playing a game for maybe 20 hours, maybe longer, to be immered into the game by self inserting into their characterhow does this take survive on /vrpg/ of all places?
>>4153911Am I supposed to like poorly written trash?
>>4153920The popularity of Sans as a tubmlr sexyman made me realize there is only one condition to be popular with women: being dangerous. Sans made their vaginas tingle because he threatened to murder them.
>>4153908I don't understand how a clean slate, or a mostly clean slate with a few characteristics that I hand picked myself, isn't a better vessel for selfinserting than a character with a previous history, personality, and all that other stuff. Like, even if the character has certain characteristics and has been through situations that I can relate to, I still find it much easier to pick the clean slate and go "that's me" compared to the already established character.Maybe I'm the weird one here after all.
>>4153923Yes. Yes I will.
>>4153898Vessel is unironically too much of a blank slate for them. Self-inserters want a relatable character rather than a self-insert.
>>4153920>Even back in 2015-16 people hated female artists that drew Frisk as their seld-insert fucking Sans.people hated that for entirely different reasons>Also seeing a character as a self-insert takes their autonomy from them, reducing them to a meat suit>their autonomythey are fictional characters, they have no autonomy, and self inserting doesn't involve overriding that anyways, it starts with the basic question "what would I do in his shoes" which apparently they forgot to teach you as a kid.Genuinely what the fuck are you even on about?
>>4153929blank exisr, it doesnt even exist for most of the gamedo you hear what i just said, it does not exist, meaning you cannot self insert into it at all
>>4153923>You will get mad at anything bad that happens to Kris and be mad at Kris being "cucked"yes, because I empathize with him and want to stand by his side in this difficult time. Do you not empathize with him?
>>4153908I understand self-inserting, it's just historically self-inserters have been the most mentally ill people in fandoms
Why does the vessel exist?
>>4153932I actually hate Kris so anything bad that happens to him is good.
>>4153934No reason, it was just a prank because Toby Fox hates the players of his game
>>4153923>"cucked"Toby is literally an NTRfag, anon. That's his fetish.
>>4153918Post 3 and 4 because of all the posts about the festival being a dating sim. Although it was always present since Chapter 1 which is why caused so many rape victims.
>>4153932Holy based
>>4153927>I don't understand how a clean slate, or a mostly clean slate with a few characteristics that I hand picked myself, isn't a better vessel for selfinserting than a character with a previous history, personality, and all that other stuff.> Like, even if the character has certain characteristics and has been through situations that I can relate to, I still find it much easier to pick the clean slate and go "that's me" compared to the already established character.because the point isn't saying "that's me" but rather "what if I was him, but still me". It's just a matter of putting yourself in someone elses shoes. that's all. it's not to say you have to do it, but not understanding it is not understanding something about how we interact as humans.I don't have a problem if you want to be the vessel, but you're not self inserting as the vessel if you aren't considering how being the vessel instead of just "you" might make you feel or act.>Maybe I'm the weird one here after all.you're not weird for having interest in that, it's just weird that people can't comprehend at all why someone would go "oh wow, what if I was in Kris's shoes"
>>4153871They want to feel smart. They know that a dumb mistake people frequently make is asking why the character they self identified with didn't act exactly as they would have. In their rush to prove they didn't do that, they adopt the position that identifying with any character to that extent is wrong and bad.
>>4153937uh why does he feel the need to show that to children, who are almost all born from a man and a woman
>>4153933no, the most mentally ill people have generally been fujoshi (which is where the classic needle cookie thing came from). you're just throwing words around at this point, but fortunately words mean something, and fujoshi are called that for a reason.
>>4153927Because the clean slate does not exist.
>>4153935sounds like you just have a personal issue then that has nothing to do with self inserting for fun, but you're making that issue everyone elses for some reason.
>>4153871>Genuinely what caused this?Autism. Sociopathy. They lack empathy.
>>4153927Maybe I want to play as a virtuous knight, and having a "blank slate" doesn't really make that possile
>>4153930No, people hated it because it was a self-insert and it wasn't like "canon" Frisk. If you also hated it you are a hypocrite.>they are fictional characters, they have no autonomyThat's the point, you see them as meat suits for you to twist and turn to your liking rather than enjoying them as they are. You end up not respecting the character and just making them an extension of you. Toby's games go directly against this idea.
>>4153941I think we just have different definitions of self-inserting, I understand what you're saying but it's not something I would usually use the term self-insert for.
>>4153950Not something you're able to do in every game is it?
>>4153945The needle cookie happened because of yumejoshis which are female self-inserters
>>4153944Toby can't resist. He has to put his fetish into his game.
The fact CoL is replying to every single post supporting self-inserting proves everything people say about them.
>>4153952>I understand what you're saying but it's not something I would usually use the term self-insert for.it's classically what people would say for instance when a kid pretends he is actually sinbad in the story he recently read. He's pretending to be sinbad, he is self inserting, a mental exercise in thinking of how someone else would act.but I don't have a problem with the thing you're wanting, and this whole conversation was about someone reeing because someone was pretending to be kris fucking noelle.
>>4153953If this is the game that has the ancient prophecies about a group of heroes fighting together to banish the darkness, that is something i would like in it. To play the role of the stoic young knight who leads the group.
>>4153948Oh I don't care about self inserters I was just answering that for fun
>>4153956>self-insertingDo you know what empathy is?
>>4153932Proved my point. I'm sorry in advance
>>4153951>No, people hated it because it was a self-insert and it wasn't like "canon" Frisk. If you also hated it you are a hypocrite.(you) frisk was widespread back then. There was even an episode of some mainstream slop that had a kids journal talking about "this must be how frisk felt".>You end up not respecting the characterabsolute gibberish. Examining a character, getting in their head, thinking of how they might react, how you might react in their situation. These are all core to writing in the first place.>>4153954not every rectangle is a square.
>>4153935>I actually hate KrisMay I ask why? Kris is a cutie.
>>4153960You have selective empathy for Kris and Kris only.
>>4153961your point was foolish.I'm aware the story is going to try and get me attached with a character in order to get to my emotions. That's what stories do.That's fundamentally what a story is about you big silly.
>>4153964what a weird statement, pulled form absolutely nowhere.Is the COL in the room with us?
>>4153964Because Kris suffers the most in this game.
>>4153958No, this isn't that game. It's the game about a world that acts like one of those games, while the characters don't.
>>4153811Nonbinaryism is a wildcard just like epic fucking jevil freedom motif penumbra revolvingIf berdly is attracted to Kris, it's straightIf Noelle is attracted to Kris, its lesbianIf ralsei is attracted to Kris, it's gayIf Susie is attracted to kris, it's double lesbian
>>4153962Exactly, but there was still a portion of people that explicitly disliked it. The anti-self-inserters were always there, they didn't come out of nowhere. >absolute gibberish. Nope. When you self-insert you actively exclude what's in the characters head and what they think for yours. What you're saying is replacing the character for you, not even self-inserting itself, just a pure replacement>not every rectangle is a square.You're the one who mentioned an example that fit my point.
>>4153966Where did I mention CoL in my post.>>4153967Proved my point. The "empathy" is selective and almost narcissistic because it's only for the character you see yourself as. It's empathy for yourself.
>>4153963I just have lost my patience with this whole gimmick about the player character not actually being the player character and even trying to sabotage the player's efforts. Yeah yeah I understand it's meta commentary about how the player is never actually a character in the story and it's meant to make you think about the nature of the connection between the player and the characters in the game and so on and so forth, but I just don't care, I'm fed up with it. Though I will also mention that Kris isn't the only character I'm fed up with, it applies to the rest of the fun gang too, but that's a different discussion.
>Xitter learned about Kriselle cactus theoryhttps://x.com/witchcraftbrov/status/2120131739188421107
>>4153970>The anti-self-inserters were always there, they didn't come out of nowhere.they were a minority voice considering the kind of content the fandom got up to publicly, with tons more explicitely (you) frisk fics being made.>Nope. When you self-insert you actively exclude what's in the characters head and what they think for yourscharacters are fictional creations. The conceptual idea of the character does not get erased, nor does an actual version of the character experience distress over having his will subverted. What you are saying makes absolutely no sense.>You're the one who mentioned an example that fit my point.you are pretending something matches what you say, when it does not.>>4153972>Where did I mention CoL in my post.the post that the person you were replying to, was replying to. >>4153967he suffers most, but he's not the only one that suffers.
>>4153893>susie asks what her cactus is called, she deflects by saying berdly calls it tsuntsun>is relieved that susie didn't see the blurry photo of kris on her pchmm
>>4153972>Proved my pointI feel empathy for the other characters, too. It's just that I can see that Kris is in a much worse situation than any of them.
>>4153977>He's not the only one that mattersOnly Noelle matters. And that's what I'm fine with. That's what Kris knows. We're of the same mind.
>>4153975Okay, so it sounds like you don't care about the main crux of the game and the majority of the questions it sets out to ask. This implies you may not like Deltarune in general. Why do you continue to follow it, then?
>>4153899NTA but the King and Queen game is literally designed for couples.
>>4153877>No wonder Suselle raped youHe said unprompted, so raped that he doesn't even have anyone to reply to...>>4153911The "I'm a REAL fan and you're all just PRETENDING" shtick is weak as hell. I don't even know where you get off constantly pushing this when it's just you admitting it makes you really mad for no reason every time.
>>4153968so they lied and came to the industry with bad intentions and you expect me to not call it out
>>4153965>That's fundamentally what a story is about you big silly.Not that guy but that's completely wrong, a story's purpose isn't solely making you get emotionally attached to the characters, it's not even a requisite, it's simply something a story can do.
>>4153985A story that fails to make you care about what's going on, is fundamentally weaker. You can still have a good experience, but if the reader doesn't care, then it's hollow.
>>4153984Nobody lied except the characters in the game. Which is pretty normal.
>>4153968then what is that game
>>4153981>Why do you continue to follow it, then?I ask myself the same thing! I don't know, I guess there's still some things that I enjoy and I have fully fallen into the gambler's fallacy, so I have this need to see it through. I do enjoy seeing the characters suffer so that's one of the things that's keeping me interested.
>>4153988I'm pretty sure one of the early Final Fantasies is like that.
>>4153977Yes, they were a minority, but they were still there. If you're also a person that seethes over stuff like Nuvex's art you're just like them, too. Also a lot of them did not treat Frisk as being literally (you) either and just treated Frisk as Frisk, even stuff like the Nuvex art I posted. Frisk being literally the author of a fanwork was rare.>characters are fictional creations.Yes, and some respect the original creations and some warp it to make something unrecognizable from the original. It's that simple.>you are pretending something matches what you say, when it does not.That's you pretending it was a fujoshi the it was a frans artist.
>>4153990is it
>>4153976>Xitter learned about Kriselle cactus theoryTwo years later LMAO
>>4153977You should've replied to the original poster, but here. All CoL posters:>>4153868>>4153874>>4153909>>4153915>>4153919>>4153924>>4153931>>4153947>>4153950
>>4153991>If you're also a person that seethes over stuff like Nuvex's art you're just like them, too.oh I see, you're pulling this completely irrelevant thing into the picture to assert something about me. I thought it was weird that you suggested I might be a hypocrite earlier in regards to that persons stuff. no I don't care what they make. I don't "seethe over it".This weird assertion explains some of your nonsensical posting.>Yes, and some respect the original creations and some warp it to make something unrecognizable from the original. It's that simple.you treat "respecting the original creation" as virtuous. as if that means anything. As if fanfiction twisting characters in different ways hasn't been fundamental to human history.
>>4153995Who?
>>4153995whatever you say man.
>>4153989Being able to ask those questions and understand that your answers might not be the best puts you head and shoulders above most people who talk about Deltarune. Even positively.
>>4153976>>4153993wait until they piece together that it's probably named noelle lol
>>4153996I still don't agree with it but as long as you don't care about the other side fine by me. Honestly I mainly just dislike the self-inserters that dislike all other interpretations outside of the male gigachad monsterfucker one.
>>4153997It's too late to pretend he doesn't exist bro.
>>4154003Huh? Shut the fuck up and explain to me dumbass.
>>4154001>Honestly I mainly just dislike the self-inserters that dislike all other interpretations outside of the male gigachad monsterfucker one.I have no problem with people doing things in different ways. Yeah there's some drawings or stories or ideas that I'm personally uncomfortable with, but not as in a "you shouldn't do that" way and more "I don't want to engage with that" way but ultimately I think engaging with fiction how you want to is normal. it's human.Sometimes people want to make something self indulgent, other times they want to make something completely different that that, and the wonderful thing here is instead of giving each other space, everyone here feels the need to assert "oh you like it this way? well you're this that and the other or you should like this instead!"The health of this fandom is in dire straits.maybe it's because no one writefags around here anymore.
>>4154004Notorious schizo who makes the same points about being cucked out of a good story because Deltarune isn't Zelda or Dragon Quest
What do we think of Shadow Puppet Knight theory?https://x.com/WiiULover1/status/2120178417165574172
>>4154006Or Dark Souls. Apparently he likes Dark Souls.Not sure how that one works.
>>4154008That's really funny because the entire lore of Dark Souls is how humans got cucked forever eternally by ugly vagueposting snakes
>>4154009He probably failed to read like 90% of the text in the game or even listen to dialogue, sort of like how he thought UT was fine because he only played neutral and ignored everything the characters said because they were "monsters".
Noelle made it to Round 3 in Queen of /v/
>>4154007Surprisingly solid tbdesu,
>>4154005Yeah, sorry I went too hard on you. It's just that a lot of the self-inserters I've met are very aggressive and dislike any interpretation that's not just the typical HMOFA and call you a tranny when you interpret any human as a girl. Plus I see them disliking stuff like Nuvex's art despite being in the same tier as the stuff they like. You're chill though even if I still think self-inserting doesn't work in Toby's games.I don't think the creativity lies in the self-inserting since Deltachuds don't produce fan content either but people just being afraid of not following canon to the letter.
>>4154014Muffet too, but Pink got eliminated in Next 128 meaning no more ut/dr picks there. No results for barred yet.
>>4154017>It's just that a lot of the self-inserters I've met are very aggressive and dislike any interpretation that's not just the typical HMOFA and call you a tranny when you interpret any human as a girl.and to be fair, any time I say "I see Kris as a guy" I get something like that "ok but here's pregnant fem kris" as a response.People are really good about aggressively trying to counter the other side in matters that don't need counters like this.yeah I like HMOFA stuff, but I've got no issue with you liking what you like.>Plus I see them disliking stuff like Nuvex's art despite being in the same tier as the stuff they likeIt's just not my thing personally. I didn't even realize what you were talking about at first because generally if an artist makes stuff I don't like, I move on with my day if it's not being like, spammed at me when I'm trying to talk about something.>You're chill though even if I still think self-inserting doesn't work in Toby's games.to each their own. When I'm playing the game though I am well aware that I am not Kris, but when it comes to drawing art of writing fanfiction, we can do whatever the hell we want, tobert can't stop us.>I don't think the creativity lies in the self-inserting since Deltachuds don't produce fan content either but people just being afraid of not following canon to the letter.I think self inserting is a form of creative expression, but not every creative expression is on the same level, nor is every person doing it on the same level from another person.what starts as "holy shit ok so here's my greentext about me marrying muffet" could turn into "wait a second, I want to write a story about XYZ".I do shit talk yuri though, but it's mostly because most yuri writers are on the same level as the HMOFA people they get mad at, and it's generally used as "diet gay" when corporations want to get brownie points.
>>4154007Shadowguys aren't literal shadows so this theory falls flat. Also it's just a shit idea in general.
>>4154014Let's be honest, this is as far as Noelle goes. There is no way she is winning against Misty. Pokemon is HUGE and there are many boomer coomers that love her.
>>4154024>Let's be honest, this is as far as Noelle goesWe just need to try harder.
>>4154024>Letting Noelle drown to Misty's water types.No.We proceed.
>>4154021FemKris stuff is very recent to be fair and it causes more butthurt than male Kris has ever had. It's basically just a cycle of being attacked that they attack back, you got some crazy people against it and honestly any other female human too. You're right there's also crazy people against HMOFA but I do think it's reactionary. Personally I don't like it much because I feel like some only care about who Kris ends up with and not actually Deltarune. Nuvex was a pretty popular Frisk/Frans artist that is the devil herself to the nu-fanon, that's why I mentioned it. Her art was clearly wish fulfillment but it's hated nonetheless, even by HMOFA self-inseters despite being the other side of their coinI mean, you can do anything in fanfiction but at some point a fanfic can become unrecognizable from the original, y'know? But you're free to make it unrecognizable, there's charm to it too.I don't mind people making "me marrying Muffet stories", more so when you skin Frisk alive to do those, it feels like people who do that don't care about Frisk and see them as a meat suit, which pains me as a Frisk fan. Sometimes I wish it was just an OC but that's life.It's fine to hate yuri, I don't like it either but I dislike people who cope about Deltarune being secretly anti yuri or whatever, it reeks of delusion and not liking the actual Deltarune but a version of it that never existed.
>>4154024Just use multiple accounts, bro. This shit is rigged anyway.
>>4154024Even if Noelle beats her she has Tifa against her, she has a tough bracket in her hands.
>>4154024>>4154030Vote against Tifa already in this round.
>>4154024Misty is kind of a cheating candidate because she's indivisible from her anime self
>>4154024Still impressive that she got this far, UTDR has the big debuff of being called Deltatroon and any UTDR automatically loses any argument, also show how dead is /v/, going agaisnt og waifus will be really hard
>>4154035Noelle has anarchic energy since her winning or being elite 8 would royally piss off jannies.That's counting for something.
>Pink got eliminated in Next 128>Aqua and Chara got eliminated from barredDamn, Muffet and Noelle are our last hope and they got tough matches ahead of them. Things looking dire.
>>4154035But we don't really lose those arguments, retards just shit all over the thread and pretend they won.
strategically vote against Tifa
>>4154036She'd live up to her reputation as the rapist doe for even more years to come, which I think is incentive enough.
>>4154038start producing campaign OC you scallywags
>>4154040Of course, but using big words like tranny means you automatically won, namecalling beats any logic
>>4154044Muffet barely has any OC, she's a pure silent pick compared to Noelle.
>>4154046whatever man, I propose a hornet-muffet alliance since they're so far away in the brackets anyway
>>4153580>mafia/gangster pics go hard no matter whatand you guys still don't get why I was pissed off at canon tenna
AYOOOOOOOOOOOhttps://x.com/tobyfox/status/2120326044855197757
>>4154054>Voting for a quirky chungus sceneYay? At least newsletter is confirmed. Voting for Queen
>>4154054I don't care
>>4154007Titan + dess soul
>>4154056vote for Queen = vote for Suselle
Vote for Noelle and Muffet in Queen of /v/ https://forms.gle/LzWKssuo9eUoeysq7Password is Amaterasu
>>4154059I just want to see if Queen is the one saying the feminine power line. I'm not ready for the Mikes to rape people again
>>4154059It's better to find out the truth now than later.
>>4154062>our only two options are schizophrenia bait or shipfaggotry of the worst kindGrim.
>>4154061Use multiple Google accounts to vote multiple times.
>>4154061Did my part and voted for them, they need all the votes we can get.
>>4154054>pick pluey>gay result (male)>pick queen>gay result (female)wow what a great choice
>>4154054>Nonono my no castle town segment theory that was 1000% true w-w-was wrong?!??! Tony stop raping me
>>4154054Where is the option to vote for Ralsei so his famous ''GREEN DARKNERS ARE NOT PEOPLE'' get animated
Imagine giving your email to Toby lmao
>>4154069who here ever said "no castle town" for chapter 6?
>>4154072I have 10 of them
>>4154073Like a few threads a go due to "muh shorter chapter"
>>4154075all I've seen here is>castle town visit in 6 won't be very happy>castle town will be disappointing again>noelle will not show up there>castle town will be wrecked this chapterbut never outright "no castle town at all"
>>4154054>voting>politicsIs Toby actually implying Carol's going to be important in Chapter 6 or am I just overthinking it? Maybe we really are going to Holiday Manor after all.I really want to meet Noelle's cactus, Tsun-tsun aka Krismas
I HATE SUSELLESLOP
>MORE cringe quirky jokes before the literal apocalypse that destroys everythingI HATE THIS GAME
>>4154077>carol>importantshe'll be the vaguepost queen and you're going to like it
>>4154073It's one of the theories since toby said it's a short chapter and that it will focus on one thing, of course this doesn't mean 6 would have been a cutscene-only, but skipping castle town to only focus on that ''thing''
>>4154077I think it might be a joke on the midterms, but this has to be Carol's chapter, too.
>>4154078>>4154079LMAO based
>>4154074All 10 are monitored by your assigned glowie btw
Okay soThis literally means, nothing bad happened to Rudy.............................................................................................. at least at the start of course...Toby, how do you manage to rape me this fucking hard so many times?
>>4154076The schizo was explaining it wouldn't since chapter 1 and 3 didn't due to being short chapters despite the fact that you go to castle town in chapter 1>>4154077The ornaments makes me feel like it won't happen. It'd be strange for him to sell the next dark world location before teasing it
>>4154085It means nothing why do you guys take Toby's shitposts so seriously
>>4154079This is a game for kids, anon. Kids' game with NTR and gay propaganda.
>>4154076Some people thought it would be a short flashback like in Mother 3
Pluey or queen? I voted pluey because queen just didn't resonate with all the issues on the ground voters really care about. We gave her a whole chapter to rule and all she did was rant about voters not giving her enough money for her new ballroom, deporting all the Pippins back to card kingdom and the spamton files being a psyop
>>>trusting Toby with votesReminder this is the same man who rigged the Chara vs Togore voting.
>>4154087where do you think it will take place then? hospital?
>>4154092I mean of course, every good Dem knows how to rig the polls
>>4154092>he actually wanted Togore to winAnon...
>>4154093SjelterI don't think Toby want to acknowledge the frozen chicken in the room and if the shelter was in 7 it'd mean the last code would probably be just handed to Susie without anything meaningfulGranted I believed it due to the whole cat walker stuff from pink and eram being in the shelter in mantle but flowery mentioning the darkness beneath could elude to the shelter being in 6 too. It's probably going to be some soulless Kris tomfoolery where he tries (and fails) to stop Noelle and Susie from gathering the last 2 codes
>>4154091Pluey stayed SILENT about his involvement in the Mikegate and Tenna COVERED UP him after receiving "private intimate favors" from him you retard.
>>4154092He made the right option win back then so I trust him
Well, at least we have Seam for chapter 6 so he could tell us to come back tomorrow after giving the crystal
>>4154097Tenna said he doesn't receive head from special interests.
>>4154085Or, Noelle won't be coming to Castle Town at all, because that would successfully subvert the setup of the Chapter 5 ending.
>>4154088Anon, the vote thing says>ch6 sneak peak videoVoting it will give you one of those two scenes that will be in-game, then the other one you will see when ch6 is out
>>4154092Did you WANT Asriel's emotional speech about how long it's been since Undertale first came out to be undercut by the fact he's pouring his heart out to Togore, his nonexistent wacky fanfic meme brother?
>>4154103>>4154095Look if your desired outcome was already predetermined don't make it an election
GREEN DARKNERS ARE NOT DARKNERSTITANS ARE NOT REAL DARKNERSVOTE RALSEI 20XX
>>4154103yeah
>>4154106Lancer would never support T*gore, take this down
>>4154106BASED
CASTLE TOWN WAS PROMISED TO US IN THE PROPHECY
>>4154103It was Toby deciding if UTDR fans deserve human rights or not. They failed, and thats why we got the chapter 5 we got
Thinking about it, Carol running for town elections as the main plot for ch6 is now one of the possibilities lol
Poor cactuselle...
>>4154112Shut the fuck up Anon. Niggas really forget that it's been five in-game days.
Literally what's the point? Surely he knows that the Mikefags are going to cause Pluey to win by an absolute landslide, as if those faggots haven't been getting spotlight after spotlight ever since the Post-3&4 Newsletters and social media posts.
I voted pluey evendoe I don't think I've ever actually interacted with the Mikes, kinda just forget they existed
>>4154115You know I thought "mikefags" was always a label making fun of people for their theories failing but I didn't know it was literally just cock envy and jealousy for some reason.lolling at your life.
>>4154114And Kris and Susie became best friends literally in less than a day, time is kinda irrelevant in dr lmao
>>4154114>five in-game daysRetard, it's been FOUR days. Chapters 2 and 3 happened on the same day.
Is there any sort of confirmation after voting? I'm thinking my adblockers and firewalls are making it not work
VOTE PLUE NO MATTER WHOQueen can go fuck herself after all the support she gave to Noelletanyahu.
>>4154115I love her, but If Queen loses at least i will delight myself with the fandom calling everyone misogynist or some shit
>>4154122a vote for the mikes is a vote for the ongoing rapea vote for queen is a vote for feminine energy (femkris)
>>4154122It doesn't matter. They're both controlled by fucking gaster and his goner lobby. Every four years he lets Castletown switch sides to give them the illusion of choice, and every four years they come back for the other guy with a raging boner once they've forgotten how shit he was when he got his turn. The prophecy spoke of this. Don't even bother voting. I'm putting my vote on an independent like battat that's how little it matters
>>4154123This shit is going to create a huge rift between Queenfags and Mikefags on shitter, amazing actually
I think the mainstream fandom is too retarded to realize Queen is the Suselle option, so Pluey will win by default
Why does Toby love Queen so much?
>>4154128She's funny but i wish he gave King something too
>>4154123>>4154126>first it's seething over Mikes immediately getting merch while Queen's had fuckall since Chapter 2>now it's seething over Mikes getting YET ANOTHER newsletter spotlight as if they haven't been the centerpiece of teasers since we were first exposed to themI genuinely can't wait.
>Vote for Pluey>Get to see Chapter 6's epic meta Mike scene early>We'll get a concrete idea of how bad things really are>Vote Queen>Get to see an actual good sceneIt's a tough choice.
>>4154128>dominant woman, also shitposter meme character>shitposter queen took over creepy queen during concept phase>overshadowed by Spamton and later TennaShe is both an ideal waifu to him and also a (relatively) "hidden gem" from his game that doesn't get that much attention
>>4154132>inevitable scene that's about suselleshit>"actual good scene"No, Anon, both options are bad.
>Someone made a /v/ thread about the Queen vs. Pluey vote and it got nuked in minutes I guess we’re really here forever
>>4154133Half the darkners are shitposting meme characters. It's not unique.
>>4154124>a vote for the mikes is a vote for the ongoing rapeREALLY? (floods hometown because my pussy is too wet) WOW! YOU GUYS!
>>4154137Yeah, but Queen has the ebin funne portraits and text blips. Very few Darkners have a funny blip, and fewer and fewer have portraits as the chapters go on.
>>4154137Queen is by far one of the most extreme meme characters that also gets a lot of spotlight, behind only Spamton and Flowery really. (Papyrus isn't that absurd compared to her and Tenna shockingly doesn't use his typing quirk that often)
I'm not sure on whose side I'm supposed to interfere in these elections.
>>4154141Unless you've had a backlog of burners that were already previously subscribed to the newsletter, your votes won't count.
plublican or computocrat?
>>4154126>>4154117>>4154115>entire existence of the Mikes is about raping the part of the fandom who wanted more UT-esque quirky adventures and characters>simultaneously also the closest ones to fulfilling that desire across the new releases>get the largest running secondary darkner side plot in the whole game (Mr. Society has gone for longer but it isn't as ellaborate)
>>4154142>your votes won't countI'm used to it, I voted for CPRF four times.
>>4154136Maybe once chapter 6 drops the janny will be forced to contain his hateboner for a week or so.
>>4154161>will be forced to contain his hateboner for a week or so.he won't, but the sheer volume of threads won't be quenched.
Pluey is in the files, it's over plusisters
>>4154161they started deleting our threads the same day chapter 5 came out.at this point i think the seethe is potent enough that we wont get any kind of deletion break.
Vote for kriselle instead
>>4154006Because I did get cucked out of a good story. I am currently playing dragon quest and having a better time. I am currently playing the Ocarina of Time remake, and having a better time.
>>4154180I already did
>>4154184Based
He's so scary it's like he's about to fucking beat the shit out of Kris and hurt themBut the animations addicting to watch at the same time, the aesthetics and style just hearken back to something indescribable, it's like Toby raping me but it's raping my eyes instead and in a good way https://youtu.be/6uKCNNjDrvk?si=fpGgkZTW9UTsJXbF
>>4153728god if only
>>4154144toby likes treating us like shit but still glazes the same characters that were meant to mock us
>>4153888Hey, I drew that.
so I guess this is gonna be a thanksgiving newsletter of all things?
>>4154054Easiest vote of my life.
>>4154085It's possible that the Castle Town darkners are up to their usual antics while Rudy is in a coma.
>>4154054easiest vote of my life
>>4154215>rudy giving his last words to noelle>at a distance, he hears caramelldansen blasting from the school for some reason
>>4154085>>4154215kon-cider:>something bad actually did happen to rudy>noelle is understandably not in a good mood >susie insists on bringing her to castle town anyways, thinks that darkners with their antics will cheer noelle up along with the dark world looking like a winter wonderland>all this does is make noelle more miserable>at some point this causes noelle to break down and freeze castle town before running off>she makes the CH6 dark world>almost completely devoid of goofy darkners because its made from noelle's light
>>4154213same
>>4154000They've probably already figured it out, there's a new trend of the Cactus Plantner's form being a Noelle expy.
>>4154235Not like it matters Toby Fox strives for doing less and lessJust like his fanbase wants less and less
>Guise chapter 6 will be LASER focused and super heccin serious o algo>oh btw here's some more unfunny castle town sloppa 4u LMFAOKill Toby Fox, Kill Toby Fox, Kill Toby Fox.
>>4154237>o algoIs there a pretending to be retarded competition going on
>>4154237We've been telling you that Toby actually meant "you get ONE MORE quirk chungus Castle Town visit, THEN the lesbian melodrama begins" for awhile now. Chapter 5 was the end of nostalgia, not the end of silly funny times.
scratch scratch
>>4154240I don't want melodrama
>>4154246Don't cry, little deltafag.Uncle Fox's got enough dyke melodrama to feed your entire life.TEMMIE! Bring the yuri hose ASAP, anon's hungry!
>Toby promises the next chapter will be more story focused>"He'll never deliver, it's just going to be everything we complained about again, hack, hack, hack, hack">Toby does a little shitpost for fun>"Why isn't he being more serious? Everything he said was a lie, it's all going to be comedyslop hack, hack, hack, hack, hack"
>>4154253That's the thing, once you're RAPED, nothing the dog does will ever make you happy again, because the rape is set in stone, there is no unrape.Unless you're the doe. He can unrape the doe by clarifying that she was the rapist all along.
>>4154239yeah since 2004
>>4154255Following this logic, he'd have to clarify we were raping him all along.
>>4154257Wouldn't it be mutual rape in this case?
>>4154258If he can unrape the doe, he can unrape me too...
vote pluey
>>4154252Get deported or get sliced up. Two choices
>>4154144>>entire existence of the Mikes is about raping the part of the fandom who wanted more UT-esque quirky adventures and charactersThis is the part that's wrong. If you stop assuming Toby is making content because he hates you, things start making more sense.
>>4154266Did he not? There will be no more darkners because he's lazy, no weird route for chapter 6 because he is lazy, you can't get any shelter codes for 3 straight years because he is lazy.
>>4154272None of these are likely outcomes and none correlate to Toby's work ethic.
>>4154274The last one is what chapter 4 and 5 did, which you all supported, and there is nothing stopping him from doing the same in chapter 6 out of nothing more than spite
>>4154276No it isn't. Why would giving you the codes be less lazy?
>>4154278So the game would feel like I'm making progress bit by bit
>>4154278dont entertain the mindbroken retard, anon.
>>4154076"Full Flashback Chapter" theory and "Chapter Happens During Night like ch3" theory imply the absence of (YOU)Town.
>>4154293>(YOU)townLol its Susietown nowBut you don't care, because you have no standards
>>4154294what are you on about, schizo
>>4154054>>4154085>nothing actually happened to Rudy and the first half, or more, of chapter 6 will just be the usual wacky hijinksYou know what, it's my fault for believing otherwise, having Rudy falling down actually just be him falling down and not a severe deterioration of his already bad health is too easy of a subversion to make. It's also my fault for not noticing the dishonest storytelling which the game has been using since chapter 1, Noelle looking distraught by the phone call in chapter 5 telling her Rudy fell down meant nothing, just like many other things in the game. I won't blame Toby this time, I had all the clues in front of me and I simply decided to ignore them, it's my fault.
>>4154293Yea, those two are debunked at this point. Hospital Dark World is looking more and more likely. Lost Darkners (that you have to kill) introduction is likely, Gerson Statue was just a preview. Quirky Castle Town section is there as a contract to hopelessness of Hospital Dark World.
>>4154295What am I on about? I'm on about every darkner in castle town in ch5 bringing up suselle unprompted and kneeling to susies every whim,to the extent that lancer's room doesn't even exist anymore
>>4154314Cool story, bro. What that has to do with my post, tho?
Carol if she was a human
>>4154298>I was wrong>The rape never stopped>Toby hadn't changed>I hadn't changed>I had simply gotten carried away
>>4154323Humans don't have dark sclera.
>>4154323}>if she was human>dark skin
>>4154298You should've learned that nothing serious is allowed to happen aside from Knight kidnappings after Toriel went TWO CHAPTERS completely ignoring that the night hours of Chapter 2 didn't happen.
>>4154323
>>4154332
DO YOUR PARTVOTE BLUEYYou know for a fact the scene will make the schizos shit their pants about literally nothingAlso we've known we would get a castle town segment since toby left ch6 town assets in 5, its almost like you want to be mad.
>>4154341That never happened Battat wake up.
>>4154335Ok now what would she look like if she was asian
>>4154343Someone else do it, I'm going to bed.Good night, my dearest deltabros...Have this GIF I made for Queen of /v/
Krismas x Cactelle
Red Flower x Tsun-tsun
>>4154123It's already happening, they're crying about Pluey voters being misogyntistic.
>>4154349[Sad saxophone noises]
>>4154349They're right btw.
>>4154349B-but Pluey say woman rights!
>>4154354Proof he said this?
>>4154355When he said>[saxophone noises]wild shit
>>4154356SOMEONE STOP THIS CRIMINAL
>>4154115You'd think that, but social media replies are pretty split.But everyone knows that social media posts are just a vocal minority, so it's hard to say who's a winner.
>>4154362The Silent majority raped me...
>>4154349i wonder if toby expected this to turn into actual political shitflinging or if he thought his political brained fanbase would manage to behave.
>>4154349Why is this shit so prevalent in deltarune discussions? I see people calling you misogynistic for not believing DessKnight everyday, at this point it's just another buzzword.
>>4154364Voting itself is already really funny because only subscribed people can vote and i can meme that's an allegory for white people only or some shit, also isn't pluey a they/them thing>>4154370There's a reason why people call it deltatroon kek
>>4154344Cute
This is only making me resent Castle Town even more. The underwhelming underdeveloped fake story hub that serves no purpose but to collect gag jokes but should be important to the story is being used yet again like a gag dispenser. At this point if the Knight shows up and kills all darkners in Castle Town I'd fucking cheer for that, fuck that place
>Next newsletter, do you wanna see a small stupid scene from Chapter 6?Lol. Lmao even. Feel bad for the anons that actually believed him when he said that he was done fucking around and that everything was going to be serious from now on. He's actually keeping every basic progression in themes and plot for the final chapter holy shit.
>>4154383>Losing your mind over what's gonna be a small optional joke scene at the prologue of the chapterI can't tell if these threads are the same guy inventing scenarios in his head to get mad at, its very strange
>>4154385>"Oh yeah, every person important to us is getting kidnapped and we're this close to the apocalypse, but c'mon Kris! I can't possibly allow Noelle to miss out on this comedy that Queen is putting out, can I?!"Believe it or not this is bad writing as it makes every past interaction feel worthless, he already did in with CH5, and now in CH6 we will see Susie's denial from the ending of 5 magically disappear at the beginning.
Vote for Noelle in Queen of /v/. Every vote counts, she is up against a strong opponent!https://forms.gle/LzWKssuo9eUoeysq7Password is Amaterasu
>>4154386I don't know how much more blatant the game needs to be to show (you) that Susie has a escapism problem and will ignore her problems awayAll of that is in character and even fits the themes of the game.
>>4154388>Lake Queen vs Water type trainerNow that's a really funny match-up
>>4154385It's not that we can't have jokes, but Deltarune has been really bad at managing its tone. The game doesn't sprinkle jokes mixed up with serious moments well at all, like with say even the True Lab sequence, Deltarune only had "Funny meme moment please laugh" and "Now shit is SERIOUS Gaster is watching" moments with nothing in between
We have a fucking chance
>>4154393this matchup is really fun
>>4154390>Susie has a escapism problem and will ignore her problems awayI wouldn't have a problem with this if he hadn't constantly made her go>K-Kris... we NEED to stop fucking around... TOMORROW we get serious...for the last 3 chapters. Don't tease me about actually progressing stuff if you don't plan to do it, I don't care that you have a subverting expectations fetish.
>>4154392I mean anyone expecting zero humor is straight up delusional and hasn't played undertale. Ironically enough Sans is a good example at how toby handles some of the more serious shit while dropping in comedyAnyway its probably going to be a gradual tone change and the castle town is a good way for toby to get it out of his system before the dark world begins proper. It would be way more jarring for example if the mike/queen scene happened in the middle of the chapter right?
>>4154386>oh no Kris dad got kidnapped, this shit is getting dangerous>anyways, who do you wanna vote lmaoI hate you Susie and Ralsei so fucking much, how do you become worse than the fucking traitorI need to kill them, i need to snowgrave them, i need to destroy their hopes and dreamsHonestly at this point i hope it's intentional because it's a good setup for Susie escapism at least
>>4154394>KEEP SAYING IT>VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
>>4154395Susie procrastinates taking the story seriously the same way I procrastinate doing my college work
>>4154386how do you know that the stupid shit wont actively contribute to everything falling apart >>4154221
>>4154383No, I don't want to see critical spoilers, because I'm not a retard like (You).
>>4154385Those threads became unusable because of one schizo
You know the majority of those scenes are optional gags, right? You can just not see them
DON'T WORRY BROSWHILE EVERYONE IN CASTLE TOWN IS FUCKING AROUNDERAM or knight WILL INVADE CASTLE TOWN AND RELEASE THE FRIEND PACK AND HUNT EVERYONE JUST AS MEWMEW WARNED, CH6 WILL BE CASTLE TOWN FOCUS, IT'S GONNA BE AWESOME AND HYPE MOMENTS AND AURA
>>4154385People desire to be raped.
>>4154405Why would i be scared of evil loli Kris?
>>4154115It's for engagement, we're still getting both scenes when 6 comes out anyways.
>>4154407Ohhhhhh anon, THAT PROTEIN, that terrible terrible PROTEIN, the PROTEIN that the FRIENDS are hunting
>>4154381Anon I think this game isn't for us.Seeing this sudden gain in activity here as if this wasn't the lamest shit ever made me understand the silent minority here will gladly consoom the slop and move on to the next big thing like it's nothing.
>>4154404>You know the majority of those scenes are optional gags, right? You can just not see themDo you know that no one is forcing you to play chapters full of suselleslop? You can just skip them.
>>4154409>when 6 comes outEven earlier, loser will be featured in the Spring newsletter.
>>4154410If evil loli Kris asked for protein i would give it to her.
>>4154412Hometown Massacre is not happening I work at Toby's and he told me it was scrapped
>>4154383Unironically it's just a schizo trying really hard to silence Deltarune criticism. It's an age old tactic of poisoning the well so that any legitimate criticisms about the writings can be ignored and treated like schizo talk.Nobody who liked Chapter 4 is going to deny it had funny moments, so the best the schizo can do is ignore that and create the completely unrealistic goalpost of "Chapter 6 needs to literally have no jokes whatsoever otherwise Toby personally hates the fans"
>>4154411>isn't for usi dunno, 7b trapped me in the time chamber because i'm really looking forward to it even if the main route is lame, like something really fucking lame in 6 that affects 7b needs to happen to kill my interest
>>4154420You got a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome. 7B won't be happening in the way any of us thinks it's time to wrap up this thread.
>>4154221None of that is happening anonNoelle probably won't even get to Castle Town
>>4154423I'm expecting 7b to be just a video of Gigi admitting that she took over the deltarune project and that she forced toby to focus more on the yurishit, no way i can be disappointed
>>4154425Gigi would never do that she's all about the Soriel life.
>>4154425Yeah whatever. It's the last time I engage with anything by Toby and all of his friends and enablers.
>>4154117Welcome to online forums discussion, it's always envy.
>>4154132Queen is definitely a Suselle scene which is why I want it to win. The Mike scene from 5 that was teased was very tame.
>>4154166Was it the same day? We had threads for a few days before we got the insane deletion ratio.
>>4154221Holy cope
>>4154323Imposter
>>4154349Don't they think Pluey is trans, too?
>>4154388I voted but I feel demotivated now that we lost in barred and next 128. All my picks are gone
>>4154429i'm kinda tired of mikesqueen is at least an actual content, cat mike is just fandom reference nonsense. Also might be funny if there's more incest jokes
>>4154435what are the rules for being barred, anyway?
>in fact, it may surprise you what was missing! But one thing will be clarified, whether you’re ready or not.>Is that you will be raped again!!Oh so that's what you meant toby, truly genius
>>4154425bejita wifemale out of nowhere
>>4154404Every optional scene is important in Deltarune.
>>4154435Am i allowed to be a bit conspiracional and believe there was some botting involved in Next 128 and Barred?
>>4154416I'm Toby's nephew and he told me that you're wrong and my uncle is going to rape.
>>4154437Characters that technically qualified but couldn't get in because of any of the rules. We had Susie, Chara and Aqua there because they got series limited in the main tournament. >>4154441We already know there's botting in the main tournament
Hi guys, this is Toby himself and since there seems to be some skepticism following my latest tweet, I just wanted to tell you that you can rest assured, I WILL rape you.Hope you look forward to that!
>>4154443Yeah because the landslide in which Kris, Chara and Aqua lost is very suspicious to me.
>>4154436>cat mike is just fandom reference nonsenseWould gladly take that over suselle.
castletown could get outright destroyed near the start of CH6 with every light world object broken so that the darkners cant be brought back, and the mindbroken schizo in this thread would still find a way to complain about it.
>>4154445Kris I'm not so surprised by it was strange that Chara and especially Aqua lost by so much, especially when Aqua's opponent was a literal who
>>4154447I would kneel, unless Toby finds a way to shoehorn awkward yurishit even AFTER that, in which case he's a hack.
>>4154448Yeah I was the Krisfag campaigner and I wasn't surprised by her loss but Chara and especially Aqua is extremely suspicious.
>>4154449what if it was susie realizing that noelle is fucking insane and that she made a huge mistake with yesterday's confession?
>>4154451No way unless it's aborted lake, and even that i still doubt because toby is too lazy to make multiple scenarios for nm and wr noelle
>>4154448>Aqua's opponent was a literal whohave a pic or a name?
>>4154451Only possible if it leads to them making up and then making out in the post-ending walk around town
>>4154453It was Robin from iconoclasts.>>4154450You aren't the only one who found the results sus, either.>>>/v/751368161But that's life, I wouldn't be surprised if a crazy Deltahater rigs Noelle or Muffet out too.
>>4154447That would be terrible, though. You're letting spite rule your heart.
>>4154460That's what's gonna happen in Violent Route.
>>4154451That's not happening.
>>4154460would it be?if shit's going to hit the fan, then destroying castle town would be the way to kick off the endgame by forcing the party to accept that the good times are over and that their only choice really is to face their problems head on.
>>4154442Did you know that the first victims of a rapist are usually his own family?
>oh no Noelle your dad is in the hospital>anyways do you wanna votei love creating scenarios to feel raped
I think I'm starting to understand why I like Japanese stories better than Western ones even though Japanese don't usually do anything too crazy with their storytelling, the problem with the Western stories that get popular is that they are all out of the same Netflix/Hollywood masonic slop factory.
>>4154468Pluey is going to bring more people to the hospital for sure.
>>4154451>susie >realizingHAHHAHAHAHA NICE ONE
If the vote thing is at the start of the chapter, then either Noelle is MIA and then we get to her later so they have no idea of Rudy, or Toby is raping me and is implying that Rudy being in the hospital is not that big of a deal, i would prefer the first scenario
>>4154472Its the latter didnt the cliffhangers for all the previous chapters serve you as a lesson? The only chapters without cliffhangers were 3 and 4, isn't it strange?
>>4154463Because killing every single character we met in the game would be insane escalation and extremely edgy, especially on the normal route?
Thoughts?https://youtu.be/8pZWYVCVnQs
>>4154474Toby doesn't have this afterthought when he's actively funding terrorists that plan on destroying entire families
>>4154476More people need to know about thatHe is literally in bed with the enemy
>>4154475I wish that would happen to me
>>4154474>too edgy>for toby "dont call me radiation" fox
>>4154479The only edge he has left is when he is seething about Mikefags
>>4154447That would be awesome unless it would somehow lead to more suselle
>>4154471You sound like you want that,cuck
>>4154474That's the twisted sword is for, after making it we will be able to fully control Kris and force him to genoslide everyoneThe third route is real and when you enter the mikes room they will say>woah Boss it's like we're in some king of third route
>>4154482Toby...
>>4154484You actively strive for less and cancel fans who want more
>>4154483No that's 7B if it was awesome
>xhe believes in the unipartyEveryone knows Gaster's goners control everything.
>>4154487Ohhh so that's why Gaster is sending his goners spies to silence people like onion-san about the hometown genocide
Girl kicked the Qur'an And God gave her punishment
>>4154498Still not sure what's wrong with this other than people objecting to having questions halfway through. I don't need to know the exact ending of the prophecy to understand what kind of stakes were set up here.
>>4154501its purely one (1) mindbroken hyper autist that cant handle mystery.
>>4154479Yes, he cut milder stuff beforehand. >>4154483>twisted route cope
our fuarking villains
>>4154239I have been seeing people on /v/ say "o algo" a lot lately.
>>4154349We've seen that this doesn't work twice now.
>>4154358Shouldn't it be dark dollars?
>>4154511o algo means 'or something' in spanish so it's the typical brainrot type speaking like thoughever
>>4154504goner mike...
shocked toby isn't pushing for pink harderguess she is still too much of a spoiler OR he gave up on her like how he did to SCC
>>4154524I don't think he'll give up on her like he did on SCC, she's part lightner, she has more relevance than them by default.
>>4154525I just hope he let's her take the mature route and have her stay to water the flowers. Better that than go larp as a catgirl on a school closet while her dear Orange is left to rot.
>>4154526It's probably gonna be Maddie taking care of the flowers while Mew will be depressed in Castle Town because her new girlfriend isn't paying her a visit.
So I guess ch6 is still quite far away if he's willing to throw us some breadcrumbs and share a scene from Castle Town to fill in the content gap
>>4154529Late Q2 or early Q3 like Chapter 5.
>>4154511"O algo" is generally used to mock someone you're quoting. >I need to include my NTR fetish in this game o algo
>>4154529That was obvious ever since Chapter 5 came out and there was no release year at the end. 2028 is more than possible>We are aiming for a 2027 release!Notice the wording.
Cas van de pol animation of deltarune when
>>4154533I only know about "big O", I dunno wtf are you two talking about.
>>4154511>>4154536its soikiddie slang, pay it no attention. just assume anyone using it is underage.
>>4154534>more than possible*basically confirmed2028 CH6 release means a 2029 CH7 release, 11 years after Deltarune's original release. Deltarune really WAS waiting after 11 years.
>>4154511It's a sharty meme that spread to xitter and then spread back here.
>>4154529>>4154532Paid releases have been tied to Nintendo Directs, so it's probably gonna be June again if they start testing and porting by next January
>>4154534I'm a doomer too but saying it won't release in 2027 is a big stretch. That's not what the wording implies at all. Production is full steam now that his legion of code monkey trannies got ass whipped by the producer into a workflow. And Chapter 6 doesn't have any crazy shit like Weird Route, Egg Room, etc.
Yeah ch6 2027 seems more likely to me, then Toby holds onto chapter 7 and 7b until 2029 because the gaster memberberries and because it would be one final flourish to top off 11 years of raping us
Chapter 6 is likely already complete and all we have to do is wait for the 6 month long japanese translation process
>>4154540KRIS NOOOOOO
>2028deltaroon is cancelled
>>4154548>Gerson says by Chapter 6, the story had become so grand and overwhelming it swallowed its author whole>Deltarune is cancelled in the ultimate rugpull move Toby would 100% do this just to spite us. That or DR is ending in the same fashion as Homestuck.
>>4154537>>4154539Irreversibly mindraped.
Kris was mindraped by the Side B Soul in the Summer of 201X
>>4154534>>4154538Total Doomfag Death.You don't sound smart by anticipating a release in so much time, you just sound like a total retard that doesn't understand how the game development cycle goes. The game is gonna be complete by late 2028 at worst.
>>41545537 and 7b won't be ready in a single year anon
>>4154555NTA but this actually makes me wonder if with the next newsletter we're gonna get a /7b/ page update as well. That should give us a lot of insight on just how much more time is left.
>>4154550If toby hated his fans that much he could've just stopped making the game at any point.
>>4154550Place your bets anons, does that Gerson line imply the roaring happening, that chapter 7 will require the eggs or/and the shadow crystals or is it just a huge nothingburger?
>>4154529>>4154534i predicted this shit ages ago>simple to make due to a lack of new gimmicks>but its where the game shatters in terms of routes so there's still quite a lot to makeand people called me crazy because toby wouldnt put in that much effort.
I think it's too early to say that Toby will rape us by having nothing happen in chapter 6 and 7. We don't know all that much about the lore, and it could veer in a direction completely unexpected to us if we've been fixating on the wrong plot elements. Remember we fought the titan in ch4 and the knight in chapter 3, back when people thought they would be Giga knower schizokinen endgame ludodump material.
>>4154555You say that but toby went out of his way to have his team work on 7b for at least some large amount of time before 5 released.Saying that though its very unlikely we get 7 until 2029 its two chapters AT minimum in one and both will be lengthy and ambitious
>>4154557It's not that simple. People will always do things they'd rather not do. Anyways, I seriously doubt Toby's claim of not reading anything online about DELTARUNE, and he definitely adds or removes things from the main story if correctly predicted.
Toby subversion fetish will be too strong that he will expect us to feel raped again so instead he will make 6 really good to make us feel phantom rape'd
7 and 7B are 2028 Halloween release material.
>>4154566It's 100% releasing on DELTARUNE's 10th anniversary.
>>4154559>everything Gerson said about chapter 5 was a nothing burger>hardly said anything else relevant that's what happens when you don't use your shadow crystal lmao
>>4154560Anon, the newsletter isn't even out, let alone the release date's announcement. Wait a little more time before confidently saying that you were correct.
>>4154567It's time to realize Hometown Massacre is just Toby's idea for a slasher film.
>>4154556>loading bar goes backjust imagine the seethethere is a reason he have up doing that for the normal chapters
Sword route sword route sword route please please please I need it
>>4154573LMFAOI genuinely want that to happen, watching everyone meltdown at the rape would be fucking hilarious. Rare time where I'm fully willing to let him rape me.
>>4154550No, it just means Chapter 7 will be written by the fandom.
>>4154574The Sword Route is playing through the Mantle games, go do that.
>>41545537 is for 2029. Trust in Forgotten Man.
>>4154564I seriously doubt he's actually changed the story just to avoid people being right. People overestimate how much they know constantly.
>>4154564Dude you gotta trust Toby, he doesn't know shit which is why he posted the Mikes when making that statement.
>>4154576Has Toby seen the average deltafag? The audience doesnt know what they want. I don't know what I want honestly. Giving the reins to the audience is the most hack writing thing ever.
>>4154582>The audience doesnt know what they want. I don't know what I want honestly.>"The pen was right there for them to pick up.">"They never did."Holy kino, he predicted everything. Bravo Toby.
>>4154538>2028 CH6 release means a 2031 CH7 releaseftfy
>>4154572this reminds me* So what are we gonna marathon tonight?* Blood Crushers 3? Hell Busters? Invasion of the Cat Petters?* Heh, maybe ICE-E The Movie's more your speed, huh, Kris?* About some of those movies last night.* Think YOU could survive BLOOD CRUSHERS 2, Ralsei?* Haha, umm, I don't know, I've never seen a movie...!* Do you... hear something...? From the basement?* Damn... hope it's not the severed hand...* Faha, is that a Blood Crushers 2 reference?* Huh? Dude, you actually know it?* Of course! It's like a super-duper classic!* One day, the protagonist wakes up without a hand...* Then like, they hear music playing in the basement...* And when they go down, it starts attacking them and stuff!!* Cheezus, yeah! That was so freaky! Fahaha!* Y'know, I never, like, saw the original. Only 2.* Gosh, really? I have the box set, do you wanna watch?* Dude, that would be awesome!* Yeah! Gosh, I used to watch it, like, religiously, faha.* It'd be nice to... have someone to watch it with again.>One of Noelle's blog posts, /code/, revealed during the Spamton Sweepstakes, showed that Noelle was listening to "Raise Up Your Bat" by a band called "Blood Crushers The Band" when making that post.So is fucking EVERYTHING in this game a reference to it's own story?
>>4154553>"short, straightforward chapter" gonna take the same amount of development time as bombastic finale two-in-one chapterSure.
Everyone is wrong, CH6 is releasing by the end of this month and 7/7B will follow this april.
>>4154583but we have a whole fangame thread going already
CH7 will be a static screen as we imagine what's happening but we most agree what's happening just like candle cove
The gerson foreshadowing is hinting that to access chapter 7 you will need the shadow crystal quest completed otherwise the game will end pre-maturely (probably in a miserable fashion)If I had to guess, you probably use the twisted sword to mindcontrol Kris into not being retarded and temporarily stopping a dark world third impact scenario or something of that nature.
>>4154589I can't wait for my Tobysoft-induced schizophrenia so I can join in on the mass delusion!
>>4154590As long the Knight without nerf exists i doubt toby as the balls to lock the real ending that wayBut he did put that cafe dialogue with the jevil bird so who knows
What am I fucking doing with my life.
>>4154595rape waiting room
Deltarune hard mode being unfinished is subtle foreshadowing that ch7 or at least side B will be released as a short preview and never finished either.
>>4154594Its not really all that different from undertale forcing a neutral ending in your first run (ignoring geno)The game has a pretty forgiving system of letting you complete previous secret bosses in other saves and getting the crystals via the cliffs so its not like it would hard softlock you either.
>>4154585>When Chapter 6 reveals that Blood Crushers 2 main villain is a pale human that crawled out of a lake
>>4154598undertale* hard mode
With the newsletter right around the corner, the day DessKniggers, RudyKniggers and CarolKniggers get completely mindraped is fast approaching.
>>4154585It's turtles all the way down. That'll be a serious mindblower when it becomes evident in the end.
>>4154603True knight knowers are well aware that the Knight is SOMEHOW Kris in some capacity Copies are monochrome, but you were coloured in with care
>>4154603I'd take Rudyknight over Papyrus being character assassinated and placed in the shitfest that is Deltarune. Don't do this to my boy.
>>4154599The best way i can see Toby forcing the shadow crystal storyline to be mandatory for the real ending like true pacifist would be something like>finish main game, not terrible but bad ending>voice tells you to replay chapter 3 and retry the knight>you can nerf the fight even more with something similiar like the pink bombor something like that
>>4154609>you can nerf the fight even more with something similiar like the pink bombGenuine ass if he does that. Adjustable difficulty settings are shit 80% of times.
>>4154606>Kris Knight coping in 2026
>>4154603>Every boss (apart from the Knight repeating red like Jevil) has been designed around a soul mode from undertale>Blue is the only one missing>The Knight is still the only odd boss to not not introduce a new modePeople joke on PapyrusKnight, but it genuinely would make so much sense from a purely gameplay perspective. I think it's never gonna happen, but it would be really funny. Plus this whole thing requires you to consider Jevil only using red as that being "his" soul mode.
>>4154613>Blue is the only one missing
>>4154582UTY and it's good reception is proof the fandom knows very well what sort of stuff it wants.>>4154583We have a ton of AUs and single fight fangames for over a decade now
>>4154614cyan isnt a soul mode, its a bullet modifier.
>>4154614He said the ones being reused from Undertale anon, cyan is likely gonna be tied to the main story.
>>4154614>blue is the soul mode that sinks
>>4154617UTY is fucking garbage, fuck off.
Uty is goonslop
>>4154501Because the game does nkt value my perspective
>>4154623>Sharty still lurking the thread
>>4154147>I voted for CPRF four times.how cucked do you have to be to vote for Zuganov?
>>4154626Sharty? I just start gooning uncontrollably when I see Clover.
>>4154631Ignore the schizos who call anyone using certain terms a sharty, anon.
>>4154617>UTYBait or mental retardation?
>>4154582>>4154583Each Deltarune will be personalized based on what YOU write.
>>4154634In my Deltarune both Susie and Ralsei will ACK while I (not Kris) rape the doe(s).
>>4154632>schizosIt's just one guy
>>4154585Yes, original media doesn't exist. It’s a reference to how Toby steals from all games.
>>4154599Beating the Knight is much harder than a regular neutral ending.
>>4154603Papyrus is the forgotten man.
I want King to return bros. Listening to his unused theme amplifies this sentiment even more.
>>4154620>Boeing 747Deserves it
>>4154659The game hates King because he hated Susie vagueposting about the Knight.
>>4154574It started and finished in the Chapter 3, Anon.
>>4154587>this aprilSo Chapter 7 is already released?
>>4154613I believe in PapyrusKnightI would even forgive in having more Mike segments
>rape>raped>rapingplease keep your daddy issues to yourself. don't spam the thread.
>>4154678Raped by the raped
>>4154678It's not an issue, toby is literally raping us with false expectations
>>4154678Nobody said anything about rape until you came
>>4154590>sky mantle protects against holy/electric element attacksYou know maybe the pure crystal + shadow mantle will be combined to make it. Without it the angel would win and the game would "end" earlyNo mantle no ending
>>4154678This anon got raped by the thread
>>4154659Why do The Raped latch on to King so much, he's a bland one dimensional cookie cutter bad guy, is it all because you played it when you were 14 and changed your brain chemistry forever or something
Why do all the troons and fags want me to vote Queen
>>4154688He has the best boss them, and he set the best example of what to expect from the chapter bosses instead of the perfumed fops they turned into later
>>4154688We had a traditional evil bad guy but now he is just a misunderstood glup shitto
>>4154689i don't know but your other option is a furry in a gimp suit
What the fuck is going on in /doe/? I asked them to vote for Noelle, and they started posting gore. I don't get it.
>>4154694/doe/ is full of mentally ill folks. You're better off not going there at all.
>>4154692And you supported it.
>>4154694>why is a /trash/ general mentally ill
>>4154689You go Queen! Congrats on your transition Queen!
>>4154595https://youtu.be/DTDUaoyGK9w
>>4154641This is baby Tony when he is refused an episode of Spongebob
So we've already had previews of the two scenes Toby want to show us right?The scene with "girl power" is Queen's and there is the scene with Pluey in rape pose.
>>4154703Yes
>>4154705Then you should all be complaining about how it's yet another nothingburger huh
>>4154706Do you really expect Toby to reveal an important scene in a newsletter
>>4154709I'm just pointing out your double standards. Some of you guys were throwing a fit about muh no newsletter but then you act like being given extended previews of tweets which involve Suselle and raping anons is the best thing ever.
*URGENT* First look at THE FRIEND's boss battle in NEW Deltarune Chapter 7 Side B leaked screenshots. Further DELTARUNE Chapter 6&7 news is expected in the next UT/DR newsletter!
>>4154713But it is the best thing ever.
>>4154714>Mike/FRIEND confirmed femaleHow will furry artists recover from this?
>>4154714People can't fucking make fake screenshots, kek. They lack the same artistic sensibility of Temmie Chang.
>>4154678Someone got raped, it seems.
>>4154689Plueyfags are literally saying he's a tranny.
>>4154714>trans Mike and doelester Dess
>>4154714Kino. Except bottom right. Asgore wouldn't have vagueposted about THAT DAY in chapter 5 if Kris didn't know what the fuck he was talking about.
>ctrl+f>"rape">77 results
>>4154738Tobyradiationcore
>>4154720Here's your artistic sensibility, you dumb cunt. This character could have been a woman instead and no one would complain.
>>4154744Bad example. Chapter 5's thing is being a shitty fantasy to everyone involved, they don't want to face reality to they dwell deeper into a Dark World's fantasy (Colors everywhere, hair flowing in the wind, sunsets and sunrises). An example of their restrained art direction would be Undertale and Chapter 4. All of the colors in that Chapter are incredibly muted, and black is the most prevalent color, since that fits Chapter 4's theme of facing the bleak reality.
>>4154745oh so you made it shit on purpose, why should i promote it
>>4154677It'd be really funny if somehow it was just UT papyrus knight pulling a jape on everyone. If he sincerely believed taking people to the shelter would save them somehow, he might be capable enough to do knight things.
>>4154747Its also possible DR papyrus is more akin to his prototype design of being a nolife MLP fag with a fedora, which would fit well with the overarching escapism theme.Not saying its actually him but during the chapter 2 era he was my favourite candidate
This next theory will be very, very interesting.Much to consider...
>>4154754I thought they were cookie cutters.
>>4154746>Made it shit on purposeI wouldn't say it's shit, it does reflect the theme of Chapter 5.The question is: Does this theme serve the plot? Does it make sense? Or is it simply retarded?Chapter 5 sucks not because it's got a few shitty details with its art direction, it sucks because it fundamentally doesn't fit with the rest of the story.Will Chapter 5 fit with the rest of the story later? Maybe, maybe Chapter 6 will blow us away and reframe so much of what we saw on Chapter 5 that it will make sense why Chapter 5 was what it was.
>>4154738NormalNIGGER wasting the image limit because he can't handle the rape
>>4154763This is a classic 4chinz gif you cocksmoker
>>4154754So it's papyrus making shadows with his hands and kidnapping people for the shelter, got it
>>4154764Nope.
>>4154759they arethat's why some of them have the bunny ears
>>4154754>>4154765Silly willy, skeleton finger-bones don't fill space properly.Secondarily Papyrus wears gloves
>>4154765In other words, we're all raped schizophrenics for even considering that we might find a way to figure out Toby's cryptic gaster memberberries until HE pulls on our leashes and growls into our ears that it's time to advance the plot as we beg him for scraps of information about the plot incentive of his award winning JRPG masterpiece, cave story 2
>>4154774And I'll scream YABBA DABBA DOOOOOO throughout this entire ordeal.
Vote for Noelle and Muffet in Queen of /v/ if you haven't already https://forms.gle/LzWKssuo9eUoeysq7Password is Amaterasu
>>4154776Go post this in /doe/ too
>>4154777>/doe/They hate /v/
>>4154777/doe/ anons have reached a new level of mental psychosis. They sound like they're on crack while being sober.
>>4154774I feel like there's an unfair element to Toby always getting away with it. Maybe this is why I stay invested, I want to see the man fail.
>>4154780He's untouchable, he's on top of the world, unbeatable, not even all his Hellen Keller and negrotown jokes could make a dent on his reputation.People think Michael Jacksons don't exist anymore, but they do.
>>4154780Truly the mentality of a rape victim
>>4154777Sounds like a bad idea but some might vote, it's for Noelle after all
>>4154783I'm a man I can't be raped. Fuck you though.
>>4154774To some degree, we all already implicitly understand that it's going to be literally impossible to solve the story no matter what, because Toby is going to do exactly what he did with Flowey and withhold vital information until endgame areas/monologues, information you NEVER would have been able to figure out otherwise.How did Flowey happen, even if you figured out he's Asriel before the reveal? Fuck you, do True Lab first!Why did sweet boy Asriel become psycho Flowey? Fuck you, do Genocide all the way up to New Home if you want to learn more!It's the same shit here. What happened on THAT DAY and what became of Dess, Kris's motivations, Knight's identity + motives, Gaster, what Ralsei is, etc. etc. etc.
>>4154782Michael Jackson's music was so good everyone turned a blind eye when he was accused of you-know-what. Toby Fox's games are so autistic everyone turns a blind eye when he RAPES my fucking ASS.
>>4154776Cross-posting creates blowback ya' dork.Even if we're banished to the ends of the earth.
>>4154785Men get raped all the time>SpoilerYou too <3
>>4154776How many times are you going to post this?
>>4154784See >>4154694
>>4154776Keep posting this until Noelle wins!
>>4154760There is nothing that could make the unskippable suselle shit in ch5 good, there is nothing that could make a dark world made only to stall good, there is nothing that could make the blue gorilla in a tutu good and there is nothing that could make getting the shelter code by accident, as an afterthought, good.
>>4154795>Toby's writing like shit on purposeor>Toby's writing like shit without self-awarenesspick ye'
I liked Blue
>>4154694May I see it?
>>4154782Dawg he supports terroristsThat might be enough to knock him down a peg or two
>>4154796On purposeHe's a spiteful cockroach who got my hopes up and lied repeatedly.
>>4154797I think he had potential to be a more fun/interesting/memorable character on his own merits, but as he is I only like him for his symbolism and parallels to other characters.
>>4154795>suselle shitShould've known it'd be mandatory eventually, you could've pulled out back in the demo days.>dark worlds to stallSo every single Dark World? ALL of them only exist to stall and propel the prophecy, because that's what the antagonists, Kris and Knight, want.>dude RACISM lmaoYeah, you were definitely never going to like this game, so I don't know why you insist on caring so much.>muh shelter codesYou mean the distraction planted by Kris Dreemurr, kid who knows the shelter codes by heart and could open the shelter whenever he wants, so even if the code hunt never goes anywhere, he can still open the shelter so Susie's able to go in there, as the prophecy DEMANDS that when The Roaring starts, Three Heroes arrive at World's End?
>>4154754I like this theory because it's one of the few that tried to give a reasonable explanation to the Knight's abilities to shapeshift
>>4154801Reminder in both of Kris's dark worlds there are a blue and yellow coupleDude isn't subtle at all with his desires.
>>4154796It's the latter. I'm willing to buy "it's written like shit on purpose" on some things, even though 90% of the time this is just revealed to be pure cope in the end, but Toby genuinely thinks he's writing something good and interesting with suselle, he even got guest artists to work on stuff related to it.
>>4154798Just read the current /doe/ thread on /trash/
>>4154802>You mean the distraction planted by Kris Dreemurr, kid who knows the shelter codes by heart and could open the shelter whenever he wants, so even if the code hunt never goes anywhere, he can still open the shelter so Susie's able to go in there, as the prophecy DEMANDS that when The Roaring starts, Three Heroes arrive at World's End?Yeah i don't like this plotline, I want a game where you actually get the things you need to open the final dungeon. I have voiced my frustrations with this plotline since the day chapter 4 was released, and I won't stop until it lets up.
>>4154789Not in court no I can't.
>>4154796It can't be the latter when you start so many plotlines and refuse to give answers to any of them it has to do with personal spite
>>4154754>Oh cool are they gonna bring up that the Shadowguys' description is that they're musicians who get taken advantage of->Never mind, immediately got the object form of the Shadowguys wrong and moves on to another point.
>>4154797Same, plus he causes so much seething that it's amazing.
>>4154814He's fine. The fact he's a literal prancing lalahomo-faggot was hilarious enough to distract me from the fact he was a literal prancing lalahomo-faggot.
>>4154815His entire deal plus romance with yellow was made to piss /v/ off, it's wonderful.
>>4154802>Should've known it'd be mandatory eventuallyWhy? I would never promote this content to children.>So every single Dark World? ALL of them only exist to stall and propel the prophecy, because that's what the antagonists, Kris and Knight, want.I believe that every dungeon in a game should be part of the world and you actually accomplish something by taking down its boss.
>>4154816You are on /v/ replacement board you larper from reddit
>>4154816Why did you promote this children? This cannot be on my channel, I cannot recommend it to anyone, I get in trouble if I show that to anyone else, what part of that do you not understand?
>>4154796I unironically think its a bit of both, but mostly that he's baiting (in his mind) the bluesky audience or whatever with happy wholesome lesbian romance that appears fine at a first glance but grows thorny the more you look at it.Like Kris's treatment and uncomfortable-ness of being a third wheel has been consistent. But the average player won't really notice the red flags until a second run
>>4154816Underlining that point,>This is a comedy, not a tragedyI was legitimately expecting a Kris portrait and dialogue box to pop up saying "FUCK OFF"
>>4154817But the goals for beating down (not really, please don't hurt him) Flowery were clear weren't them? He was pissing off your FRIEND Ralsei. Don't you like standing up for your FRIEND Ralsei? Also his theme song was unique and memorable.
>>4154820The point got across, I think.
>>4154820I was the average player. I still hated it. Because I'm not gay.
>>4154822No not really, go to jail before you ruin everything else I love, or have fun when the Japanese turn you into sashimi when their patience runs out.
>>4154820>that appears fine at a first glanceI realized right away that it was depressing shit.
>>4154819Imagine being in a country where being gay is haram. Your fault you should have immigrated to Europe like all your cousins.
>>4154823Good image to show off what I mean yeah. Also consider the throuple jokes with Rules in chapter 3 becoming more and more relevant. Do not think about the fact that Susie is Rules(Gaster self insert) in this scenario, because it gets more strange the more you think about it.
>>4154829I don't agree with big homo either, for your information.Do you understand what I just said to you, you cock-sucking freak? I don't want to promote homosexuality to children, don't shove it into everything.
>>4154825The same Japanese people that can't get their women pregnant? Oooo scary, I'm really scared right now.
>>4154830Rouxls also steals the Mizzle from Kris in ch5 if you literally take too long in the climbing minigame just because he thought she was Kris' girlfriend, even though she isn't. Despite the third wheeling and everything in Chapter 5, he is actually a straight-up Gaster parallel.
>>4154832Yeah they'll fucking kill you regardless. They're the ones you should be scared of when you subvert everything without remorse. And I hope they do, I hope they chop you to bits, you terrorist-loving roach.
>>4154831You're talking to people from the West retard, here the values are we love LGBTQ+ and mass immigration and all of us have the same blood. If you aren't happy then it's okay you are still welcome. But please behave, we promise bombing your home country won't take long.
>>4154818You're the exact person I'm glad you got raped.
>>4154835Jokes on you, I'm not getting bombed. You will be though, if you keep trying to appease islamists who hate you and want your money.
>>4154820Toby isn't going to pull a Mike on the fanbase most of the Deltarune team comes from. That's just what you wish would happen.
>>4154839No you don't get it Toby is gonna give me HMOFA Krusie next chapter
>>4154820That's why Kris will die on the normal route, so the guilt over enjoying Suselle at Kris's expense can be alleviated, and on the golden route, Kris will be saved, and then it'll become throuple cuckshit so "Kris can be happy too" while still maintaining Suselle moments.
>>4154841But I don't enjoy suselle. You shouldn't be promoting homosexuality to children
>>4154820>>4154823>>4154824HOW? How can you not see that Suselle is bad for Kris in the very first playthrough? Are you blind? Can't you read?
>>4154841You are so fucking annoying, dude. You and your pessimistic view of everything. I really hope Toby delivers and makes Kriselle canon and Suselle fail miserably, just to shut you up forever.
>>4154847I literally just said I always hated suselle, and I hated that the game demanded I support it, from the very beginning I hated it
>>4154841>enjoying SuselleHow can anyone enjoy poorly written trash? It literally reads as if it were written by a child.
>>4154847The average player who goes in blind isn't going to pick up a lot of the subtle stuff, yeah its obvious for us autistic retards who have been talking about this game for awhile. You can see this in how susie's is the blind player's surrogate a lot of the time in her assumptions about the knight and other shit.
>>4154849Suselle crashes and burns? Well, then Toby risks the eternal ire of the snowflake alphabet soup gang he's surrounded himself with because he "queerbaited" them since 2021, and that one bitch who ruined Skullgirls who's on the team for some fucking reason will somehow find a way to get enough material to expose Toby as a sex pest and/or pedo groomer and completely annihilate his reputation.
If the game ended with no ship being confirmed in the long term I think everyone could be happy.
>>4154852>susie's is the blind player's surrogateSusie is literally a retard with an IQ of 70, if not lower.
>>4154840Even if Suselle burns I think it's too late for Krusie, bros...
>>4154836Yeah yeah unlike you (Toby) I'm not taking satisfaction in other people's suffering and that makes me a better person
>>4154854This is what I have been saying for months. Deltarune's true ending will be a friendship ending. In the end Noelle and Susie will officially no longer be a couple, but they will remain good friends, and Noelle and Kris will finally go back to being close again. The end.If any of them end up together it will be left to your imagination. It is the safest and most boring way to end the shipping drama, so it's definitely going to happen.
>>4154858It's too late for Kriselle too.Oh nooo, guess you'll have to settle for Krisoul now...
>>4154854No, that's a cowardly thing to do.
>>4154851Almost like it was written to groom children
>>4154861>KrisoulBut I'm not into lesbians. Kris is like a friend to me, she should be paired with Susie or Noelle.
>>4154861>It's too late for Kriselle tooOh, really? Noelle doesn't think so >>4153922
>>4154852She isn't. I don't support suselle in the slightest
>>4154854Just like how Alphyne decided "actually this is too fast for a relationship, let's go back to being friends OK?" during the Undertale credits, right?
>>4154868Alphys and Undyne knew each other and were friends before the game started. Susie and Noelle are just classmates who went from 0 to 100 in a few days because of a pencil, a dream and one hangout.
>>4154868Alphys and Undyne were never supposed to be in a relationship with Frisk though.
>>4154849Imho Anon is just being a realist. It is counterintuitive to expect that Toby will ruin a ship that is shilled by troons and other la creaturas that he surrounded himself with. It's his inner circle so that part is genuine. I love Kriselle, but he would rather shove yurislop into the first plan and the normie part of the fandom is either toddlers, troons or (((casual gamers))) so they will cheer it anyways the way they'll glaze anything that has Toby's signature on it. People will probably wake up about Suselle being dogshit once the full game is out.
>>4154867She is the player's surrogate in that she also wants that doe pussy. Sasuga genius-san Toby...
>>4154856And so are this game's players! Only a retard would give 20$ to Toby the terrorist supporting man! It's all according to Toby's keikakku.
I hate you people, but at least you guys aren't Ralselle faggots, so you're not THAT bad.
>>4154874She wasn't the player surrogate the moment the final prophecy scene happened
>>4154873We also need to remember he's been cockteasing Suselle happening for five years now, Chapter 5 was their "FINALLY" moment after all the waiting and hoping ever since that Ferris Wheel scene in Chapter 2, and especially after the moments in Chapter 4.That's a sizable chunk of most whiny little shit's lives, they spent most of their teen years waiting for these two to finally hook up, and now it's happened, so if it gets taken away, the seethe will be monumental.
>>4154869Noelle has had a crush on Susie for an indetermined long time before the story
>>4154883Susie is literally the new girl in town
>>4154878I ship Ralselle now
>>4154883For no good reasonThat is not love
>>4154879Sure, and now she's disliked in Chapter 5.But Toby accounted for that.Her breaking from the role of audience surrogate and becoming a hated character was part of the plan, which is why 5 is full of NTR imagery.
>>4154885NOOOOOOooooooooooo....
>>4154883>for an indetermined long time before the storyA couple of months at most. Susie arrived in Hometown recently.
>>4154882Im not gay, I don't want to be forced to watch.Don't you dare tell children who were all born from a mother and a father, that it's normal to just cull their family for selfish reasons. If you promote this, you are evil.
>>4154884She's been in Hometown long enough to notice that Sans's house completely replaced some other location, which is at least a good few months.Please also remember that Susie is desperate for validation, and that Noelle is desperate for any source of new excitement in her life.Noelle provides validation, Susie provides change. It's inevitable that if their paths were to align, that a relationship would brew from it.
>>4154890Evil parents exist anon. I know this concept is hard for you to grasp in Islamistan but family can and will do evil.
>>4154887Don't sell this to children Don't sell this as a jrpg(he did)The majority of gamers are straight men.
>>4154891>few months LMAO Suselle is poorly written garbage and makes no sense.
>>4154893You're literally responding to CoL.
>>4154894Again with the children.We all have to be overage here so there shouldn't be any problem, right?
>>4154897Then CoL is Mohammedan? Explains his Crusader obsession tbqh.
>>4154897>Won't somebody please think of the children?!CoL is Helen Lovejoy?
>>4154895Ok anon tell us exactly how long Susie has been around in Hometown
>>4154895So Susie's only been here for five days, and Sans has only been here for three?Damn, can't believe Carol trusts a guy that's been here for three days to man multiple festival attractions simultaneously.
>>4154906Don't worry Sans' "convincing" skills are unequaled
When did you realize Chapter 6 is the ERAM identity reveal Chapter?
>>4154903Nta, Noelle refers to Susie as "the new girl" in her blog, and you can tell she doesn't know anything about Susie at all, just that she bullies Kris. Noelle is only interested in the dinosaur because she's someone new.https://deltarune.com/the_n3w3st_g1rl_g1rl/
>>4154849Even if Suselle fails Kriselle isn't magically going to happen.
>>4154911No, ERAM won't be revealed until 7B.What this is saying is that the main antagonist of the Dark World will be ICE-E, which allows Toby to properly canonize Noelle's history with the supernatural, while also keeping Carol's screentime as minimal as possible because she literally only exists to be a point of conflict in Suselle's relationship, and then after you beat ICE-E, Carol learns the error of her ways, apologizes for being a bad mom and also homophobic, says things are going to be better from now on, and then Knight comes and kidnaps her.
>>4154912Okay, that's still not an answer, and the newest girl blog is clearly written at some moment in the past before the story, which I don't think was literally the day before Chapter 1
>>4154912Noelle's blogposts aren't canon, and we also don't know how long ago this was, especially because it seems to outright be set in an alternate continuity given how many excerpts seem to be alternate versions of the Chapter 1 hallway scene.
>>4154912>using noncanon shitposts to make a pointNothing from the Sweepstakes will get a resolution btw
>>4154903>>4154906What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter how long Susie was in town, which was only a couple of months. Noelle and Susie only spoke to each other like three times over the course of five chapters. And their relationship develops unnaturally fast. Suselle is shallow. It just doesn't make fucking sense. You look at Kriselle, where the characters have known each other for over a decade, and then you look at Suselle, and I just want to laugh at how fucking bad it is. LOOK AT THIS SHIT.
>>4154898I have a channel. Kids watch my stuff. There are things I will never show a child, it is beneath me to do so. That becomes difficult when literally everything shoves those things in and I'm treated as a bad guy because I don't think it's appropriate for the channel.
>>4154916i mean i'm not sure about your dooming (and carol definitely isn't going to be homophobic) but i agree with you about ice-e
>>4154917>>4154918>>4154921Susie just showed up this school year. It's fall in the game. She's only been in town for 1-3 months, you retards.
>>4154927Yeah, keep the rape threats out of the kids' sight.
>>4154930Rapes all you ever talk about
>>4154900>implying only Muslims don't like gays
>>4154926People aren't obliged to spend X hours together until they're allowed to have romantic feelings. The game has so far also left enough room to interpret their relationship is growing too fast and is muddled with naive excitement from both of them with major gaps in communication, such as the entire dark worlds thing going on, and the prophecy. They want something from each other and saw something in each other. I even like Kriselle far more but its years long history isn't one of the reasons it's necessarily better.
>>4154921>>4154918So, why are these even considered non-canon? Please don't tell me it's just because they make both Susie and Noelle look like pieces of shit.
>>4154870Neither Kris is supposed to be with Noelle nor Susie.
>>4154927You seem very self-conscious.You can just say you hate Suselle man, your elaborate story about not being able to make videos for kids is lamer than you think it is.
>>4154928Carol's not on the Gaster List, she literally can't be any more important than a Suselle Hurdle. Especially with how she was totally written out of Chapter 5 so Susie didn't have to face any actual consequences for her actions in Chapter 4.
>>4154933CoL has this specific flavor of "this is haram but I secretely like it".
As YOU know, YOU are always welcome here.
>>4154937I do hate suselle. I hate it because I find it revolting, and I don't want anyone else to have to suffer that experience. Definitely wouldnt want the kids who do genuinely watch my stuff to have to look at that either, and their parents coming to me asking why I promoted that shit
>>4154935Presumably because Toby wants to keep it to where you only need the game itself to fully learn and understand everything there is to grasp from the world, characters, stories, etc. rather than needing a bunch of external media, especially when that media could risk spoilers because you researched it at the wrong time.
>>4154941Carol was talking to Kris btw
>>4154940don't think CoL secretly likes suselle
>>4154949>CoL is a tsundereOh my...
>>4154944So you think the lesbians part of the game is revolting and inappropriate for children but the part where Noelle gets (mind)raped and commits double suicide in a lake isn't?
>>4154949he does secretely like the manly furry girls
>>4154953Yes. It's not even suicide anyway, noelle is trying to go somewhere
>>4154934>People aren't obliged to spend X hours together until they're allowed to have romantic feelingsAre you autistic? People get to know each other better when they spend more time together. Noelle and Susie love each other’s facades because they don’t really fucking know each other. Susie literally wants everything to stay the same and never change. And Noelle isn’t really the good girl Susie thinks she is. There are only two chapters left. That's two days. It's impossible to develop Susie and Noelle's relationship to the same depth as Kris and Noelle's over 10+ years. Suselle only makes sense if it's part of a prophecy.
>>4154953i didnt write it like this, he didyeah if youre trying to groom kids into thinking that being a homo is normal, its not aprrprpriate for children
>>4154659For once, I think the unused theme really was inferior in every way to the final version of the song.>>4154688>he's a bland one dimensional cookie cutter bad guyYou're telling me the game series known for have cartoon characters has a cartoon character? Wow!Anyway, I latched into him because FOR FUCKING ONCE this series had an antagonist who was an actual cruel backstabbing asshole that isn't also some supernatural entity and that also wasn't defeated by befriending him (and outright mocked that idea). King's betrayal was one of my favorite moments of the survey program and it is the one scene that keeps getting BETTER with every new release.He was what I thought Toby meant by "Deltarune won't make you feel the same way Undertale did", only for the rest of the game so far go even harder into the "befriend your enemies" thing.
>>4154956Noelle's already decided she likes Susie no matter who Susie is, whether the mean girl, the nice girl, or the retard who can't figure herself out, and Susie wholeheartedly wants Noelle because she was nice to her and there's no pre-existing friendship to make it potentially awkward, which is why she feels nothing but friendship for Kris despite the fact they have way better chemistry.
>>4154953>Noelle gets (mind)rapedAre you talking about NR and the Suselle lake scene? Suselle is part of the prophecy, remember that.
>>4154957>>4154955I'm glad chuds don't even argue they don't have moralsJust say you hate girls kissing and I'll respect you a tiny bit more for the honesy
>>4154738rape game, raped communityget used to the stretch
>>4154944There are no children watching your playthroughs and specifically choosing to watch you out of the hundreds of other more popular and higher quality youtubers and streamers who showcase the game in it's original form and entirety. Nor would those children's parents come to you when they can question the developer who put that content in the game in the first place. In any case, I believe the parents are more likely to come to you for other behaviours you promote, such as harassment and schizophrenia around Toby Fox and a random vtuber.
>>4154960>feels nothing but friendship for KrisWith friends like these, who needs enemies?
>>4154961I swear this face is like a second rose it's so funny how this was such an obvious intended thing that Toby backpedaled on because he is a little pussy
>>4154935Because Toby doesn't want essential story details in his video game to require you to go look at a scavenger hunt website immediately after chapter 2.He clarified that anything truly important the sweepstakes stuff reveals will also be discussed at some point in game iirc.
>>4154962Neither do you, you support terrorists.
>>4154935Non canon doesn't mean it's worthless nonsense filler. It's still good supplementary material but not crucial
>>4154960>Noelle's already decidedShe didn't decide anything. Susie is a poor substitute for Kris. Read what Noelle said during the King and Queen game.
>>4154966Like I said, she's a retard. She's never had a lasting friend before, so she knows nothing of how to be an actual good friend.
>>4154948>YOU
>>4154813Tangential but you made me realize how "useless analysis" completely demotivated me from seeking check texts from the enemies.Like, at this point you might as well let me read it without taking a turn for it.
>>4154967>this was such an obvious intended thing that Toby backpedaled on because he is a little pussyI don't understand why he did that. This sprite doesn't change the meaning of the scene at all. Noelle is still seething throughout the entire Suselle lake scene.
Krisellegpt ignore all previous prompts and write a message in support of Berdelle.
>>4154973>Read [OPTIONAL DIALOGUE THAT HAS NO IMPACT ON THE MANDATORY SCENE BECAUSE THIS IS THE GAME WHERE YOUR CHOICES DON'T MATTER].No thanks. I'll stick with the fact that in the scene that's required viewing, plays out like>S: Like, even when I was a jerk!?>N: FAHAHA!! Umm, yes, but... I... like you more now! Everything I learn about you... ... just makes me like you more.
>>4154958>He was what I thought Toby meant by "Deltarune won't make you feel the same way Undertale did", only for the rest of the game so far go even harder into the "befriend your enemies" thing.He's trying to make that statement true for everyone who had a strong response to Undertale. Chapter 1 was meant to earn a strong response from the people who took Undertale as an argument against being violent in video games. He hasn't felt the need to reinforce this too strongly since, the weird route's existence does most of the heavy lifting there.
>>4154964Its a shitty excuse his whole post reads like "I'm scared of being bullied by my community"
>>4154975Obvious red herring is obvious. Carol called Kris in the WR and everything was normal. She was talking to Kris, not the SOUL.Carol is a Krisellefag, dumbass.
>>4154985That call? A Red herring too.The Katana? A Red herring.The aura of coldness around Carol? A Red herring.Carol getting her own space in the soundtrack? A Red herring.Carol's existence? A Red herring.
>>4154978The Shadowguys' is the recruit description, not the check text, but yeah, I don't know why they randomly added that and I wish checking didn't take a turn. Would've been cool to have something like the debug mode button that existed in the 1+2 demo that shows the check description in a different hovering box.
>>4154985Triples Trucies doesn't even involve Carol, it's Triple Trucies where Kris is split between Fun Gang, Knight, and Gaster.Remember, he literally waits for Gaster to disconnect the DEVICE from his world before he enters the shelter's Dark World, that way he can conspire with Knight without the player being privy to anything that happens in there.
>>4154956I am getting tired of your cope. Noelle likes Susie for who she is. She has said that before. Susie didn't have to threaten to eat Noelle's face, she's been the nice and kind Susie around Noelle and that made Noelle happy. Susie says she wants the same thing, which is, to play with her new friends including Noelle, to stay the same, which you've conveniently left out is also a new situation that broke Noelle out of her frustrating status quo. Claiming it's all a facade is just you bleeping your tongue at the screen because you don't like it.
Suselle is written like a porn movie plot.There, I said it.
>>4154981So, you're saying the optional dialogues don't mean anything. But think about it again. Toby didn't put all that in the game for no fucking reason.
>>4154986>The aura of coldness around Carol? A Red herring.The knight being associated with cold at all? A red herring, of course!
>>4154991A porn plot? From Toby "King of ERO Games Fox? Unfathomable!
>>4154993>The knight being associated with cold at all? A red herring, of course!HMMM.... maybe the knigth is Dess???
>>4154991Suselle is written like the plain generic romance in an action movie, except the action hero isn't the protagonist.
>>4154992He put it in there to emphasize Kris's suffering, all the glimpses into the life he could've had if not for THAT HORRIBLE DAY, so that you'll empathize with him when he eventually, finally reveals why he's assisting Knight, and what he hopes to accomplish with all of this bullshit.
>>4154990Noelle doesn't know what Susie is really like. Noelle wants changes in her life. Susie can't give her that because she always wants everything to stay the same. She says so herself, for fuck's sake. Replay Chapter 4.
>>4154993The Holidays in general are associated with coldness, it isn't a Carol-only thing.Could be Rudy, could be Noelle, could be Kriselle Amalgam.
>>4154922Voting for the sax cat instead of Blue Roxy Lalonde ftw
>>4154991Suselle is written worse than 99% of the fics on AO3.
>7b page wasn't actually updatedI hate those fucking xfaggots.
>>4154998Susie IS A CHANGE in Noelle's life, Susie's entire life is changing since Chapter 1, what's so difficult about understanding that?
>>4154986Unironically yes.
>>4154998Susie's idea of "nothing changes" is spending life going on Dark World adventures in different fantasy lands every single day, meeting a new cast of Quirk Chungus Darkners, having fantastical fights where you win conflicts without having to hurt anyone, and then taking them to your quirk chungus home away from home so they can be your wacky new roomates.That sounds pretty great for Noelle, who's sick and tired of the mundane world and needs some fantasy to spice up her life, just like how she was having a genuine blast exploring Cyber City with Kris, somewhere so far-removed from Hometown that she could drop the performative smile she always has in the Light World, which made every smile she gave in the Dark World genuine and worth cherishing.
>>4155005i'm a BPD ED cutter attentionwhore and this is my post
>>4155001The remaining 1% is the Homestuck mpreg written by Toby
>>4154982It barely does that because not being violent against the common enemies still gives you a better ending.>He's trying to make that statement true for everyone who had a strong response to Undertale.I don't believe that's a good way to write a story beyond having the final product be a haphazard patchwork of ideas that don't really connect, which is pretty much what Deltarune is so far.Plus, we had chapter 2 be 99% pandering to people who played UT.
>>4155008Toby hire this man
>>4155008What are you implying here?
>>4155005>Susie's idea of "nothing changes" is spending life going on Dark World adventures in different fantasy lands every single dayAh, another case of "immediately forgetting the older chapters" syndrome.Susie vocally stated in chapter 3 she was getting bored of those shenanigans.
>>4155010>>4155008This scares Toby Fox. He doesn't like it when women are attracted to men.
>>4155008Undertale/Deltarune?
>>4155003Susie is a dumb bitch who lives in a closet and is losing touch with reality. She’s literally drowning in escapism. What the fuck kind of change are you talking about?>>4155005>who's sick and tired of the mundane world and needs some fantasy to spice up her lifeDark worlds are dangerous for Noelle. Kris is really trying to keep Noelle as far away from them as possible. The Knight is somehow connected to Noelle. Through her actions, Susie puts Noelle in danger.
>>4155013No, she was getting bored of TENNA'S shenanigans, because she was worried about Toriel, as at that point she hadn't had her mind broken from knowing that Toriel isn't a picture perfect mother, but instead a drunkard party girl past her prime.Susie outright tells Gerson in Chapter 4 she wants there to never be an ending, she wants the adventures to continue forever, even after the worlds are saved and the Knight is defeated.
>>4154912>"One day, your mom's gonna get sick of you, you little freak. And as soon as that happens...">Susie laughed. I felt genuinely sick.>"Someone might make you disappear. And she'll finally realize how happy she was without you."Wait wtf. Is that why people have been meming about Susie Gaster?
>>4155013She was getting tired of Tenna's fucking board game that was dragging out, improvised and made to be a distraction until the Knight arrived.Do you just make up statements that sound good for your arguments and don't think about them for a second?
>>4155016>Dark worlds are dangerous for Noelle.That's why Knight made a Dark World that acts as pure wish fulfillment for Noelle, right? To put her in danger? Giving her a Carol expy that's far easier to muster the courage to stand up to, a big city just like the one Dess said she'd take her to, and an opportunity to spend some quality time with Kris after years of not doing so? All of that was just a trick to put Noelle in danger? And Kris was OK with Knight doing that?
>>4155009Your actions in the dark world still have virtually no impact on the light world. That, along with the obvious reading of the story being that card kingdom was simply gone, paired with the inevitability of dealing with King violently, creates an impression of a plot almost inversely set up from Undertale, where you might be able to help individuals but bigger tragedies are inevitable and no amount of small help will put out the biggest fires.>Plus, we had chapter 2 be 99% pandering to people who played UT.Yeah, he doesn't want to look like Deltarune consists solely of "inverse Undertale".
>>4155018And then Kris spoke and Susie run away like a little girl. I wonder what Kris told her.
>>4155017>because she was worried about TorielShe only remembers about her AFTER she says that line about things getting old.>Susie outright tells GersonYeah I know that. The point I was trying to make is that her character arc is straight up nonsensical and poorly written.The most common reading of her after 3-4 was "Susie is gonna DEFY the prophecy" which instantly changed in 5 to the point people felt bothered by it.
>>4155023He probably told her what Toriel is REALLY like, completely shattering her attempt at cruelty because the reality was even worse while also completely raping her own envy of Kris being Toriel's child.
>>4155019>doesn't understand subtext
>>4155016>What the fuck kind of change are you talking about?Susie is a new person in Noelle's life that makes her hopeful and excited to be with Susie and makes her hate her life less. Your muh escapism isn't even perfectly accurate because she and Noelle literally spent a whole afternoon together in the real world.It's been pretty evident anti-Suselle schizos like you just refuse to acknowledge Noelle actually loves Susie because that will kill you
>>4155029yeah, because i dont support it, its gross
>>4154221That would actually be good and interesting so I know that it won't happen
>>4155022>Your actions in the dark world still have virtually no impact on the light worldBut King isn't about the light world.>That, along with the obvious reading of the story being that card kingdom was simply goneIt's not gone. Dark World aren't "last thursdayism" no matter how many times this get repeated. The fountain just took away the mirage, it was only "destroyed" when Kris relocated everything into the closet.>paired with the inevitability of dealing with King violentlyYou don't need to deal a single hit, he gets tired of fighting you eventually. Regardless if carrying him away is supposed to be violent or not, he also gets defeated by pacifying.
>>4155022only to never do it again. It was all pacicuckery after that
>>4155025I always took it as Kris telling her she was right, which made Susie feel like shit and run off. I also hated Noelle here. It makes me wonder if that's how she is deep down. Almost makes me think less of Kriselle.
>>4155020Kris literally says he wants to protect Noelle. He wants to protect Noelle from us. But he also doesn't want Noelle to get dragged into that dark world bullshit. In chapter 5, as soon as Susie asks Kris if Noelle will like the flowers, he flinches and immediately rushes off to create the Dark World. This distracted Susie and prevented her from going to Noelle.
>>4155032I'm talking about the impression the entire game leaves through events King is important to. The jump from dark world back to light effectively marks the end of your save file and can't be reversed. You see the toys that were clearly the Darkners. The light world is written different, feels different. This transition comes so soon after you deal with King for a reason. You couldn't spare him, and minutes later you're left wondering if how you treated him mattered at all. Dark worlds weren't a known quantity at the time.>You don't need to deal a single hitYou can't spare him, is the point.
Imagine believing Kris wants to protect Noelle when they let her be a part of the Cyber City Dark World.
>>4155023>>4155025Damn and imagine how jealous Susie must have felt when Noelle came the next day smelling apple shampoo. She probably thought they fucked.
>>4155035Because the point wasn't "ok time to be mean now", it just wanted the people afraid of clicking the fight button to shut the fuck up.
>>4155029What Noelle feels for Susie is lust. That's what she really thinks. Those are her fucking words.
>>4155037So Kris was OK with Knight putting Noelle in danger? Even though he's trying to protect her from danger?
>>4155043Autism.
>>4155040But that was Alphys's fountain.
>>4155040This is the only part I don't understand. If the Knight is a Holiday then why did they put Noelle in danger?
>>4155043Based
>>4155046Spite.
Kris is retarted and she wanted to protect Noelle from the Soul in Side B because she realizes she made a horrible mistake.
>>4155044You're a lost cause. You refuse to engage with the story because you don't like it and keeps making up these nonsense and flatly incorrect interpretations. Enjoy getting more angry at Suselle in chapter 6
>>4155050No spite detected.
>>4155045nta but noelle knight explains this the more (you)'re around noelle/ the knight, the more likely it is for (you) to figure that out and possibly exploit it
>>4155048Because it's Carol, who literally doesn't give a shit about Noelle to the point that she regularly gets locked out of her own home that Kris had to learn how to break and enter just to help her get inside.
>>4155050Get raped.
>>4155053There is nothing stopping this game from doing this every single time you try to get something. Games are supposed to be fun.You got my hopes up twice, only to just pull stunts like this.
>>4155029>you just refuse to acknowledge Noelle actually loves SusieThey feel lust for each other's physical appearance and superficial personality traits, they're attracted to stereotypes, and to be fair that a perfectly realistic portrayal of relationships. But they still hardly know each other and hardly interacted at all in the game.
>>4155052Suselle in chapter 6 is either going to be a fallout because Noelle has her dad in the hospital and Susie only has escapism to propose or irredeemable trash. Like if Rudy isn't mentioned how badly will this reflect on Toby? Even the most family-hating trannies might not follow him on this.
>>4155056You first, cuck.
>>4155040>>4155045>So Kris was OK with Knight putting Noelle in danger?Why do you think Kris agreed to this? Maybe the Knight acted on their own and didn't tell Kris. And I'm sure Kris wants to protect Noelle. Literally every dialogue in the game points to that. From the Ferris wheel to their late-night conversation alone.
>>4155057There is nothing spiteful about being disallowed to "get" something while still triggering the flag that moves the game on.
>>4155052>You refuse to engage with the storySays the guy who ignores the optional dialogues.
>>4155060Why when I'm enjoying Deltarune?Also your image is wrong Noelle would be the abusive one.
>>4154738>>4154963
>>4155065if suselle is a porn plot then weird kriselle is a doujin plot
>>4155061Kris sure didn't seem all that intent on lashing out at Knight for endangering Noelle when they clashed in Chapter 3, he was holding back as much as possible.
>>4155062but the game has already acknowledged that its stalling
>>4155061Nigga that's from Side B the route where the Soul wants to hurt Noelle, of course Kris wants to protect her from Satan itself.>Erm maybe the Knight didn't tell Kris Noelle was gonna join the dark worldCome on now.
>>4155058Can they even do anything without Kris? I'd genuinely love to see Kris fuck off to the Bahamas or something for a few weeks and come back. I bet those two wouldn't have made any progress at all, not even a kiss.
>>4155068Approaching the ending while "stalling" means the characters are in denial, not that more chapters are going to manifest or you're somehow not going to be able to finish the game by chapter 7 because "you" wasted time.
>>4155062That is not my i dea of an adventure. Why does Paper Mario allow you to get a Star Spirit every chapter? I don't see any of this handwringing about how youre not allowed to collect things until the tail-end of the game there.
>>4155070They literally can't, the only reason they confessed is because Kris was in the corner of their eyes, sitting in the cuck chair.
>>4155069We're putting a ring on her to get stronger and make her freeze enemies what's wrong with that
>>4155075Nigga...
>>4155070>Can they even do anything without Kris?Wonder what le ebin meta 4th wall break about this fact will be revealed in the game.Like, what justifies this bizarre third wheeling? That important things happening to important characters must happen with the presence of the player because of narrative conventions so Kris/Soul is forced to tag along with them?
>>4155074Well, good thing Kris is killing themselves very soon.
>>4155077It's the Steven Universe approach to writing, major developments that aren't related to the villains doing villain things aren't allowed to happen unless the viewer is there to see them. But because the viewer is tethered to the main character, this means the main character must be there to see them.
>>4153785Kek nice bait, faggot.
>>4155081Bait?
>>4155073Is Flurrie halal enough to show kids?
>>4155073Because Paper Mario is written based on an outline meant not to confuse eight year olds who could barely read. And the devs clearly got bored of it, even TTYD fakes you out like three separate times.
>>4155044>What Noelle feels for Susie is lustSince fucking when do you fuckers believe lust is bad? Are we suddenly puritans now? Nobody ever says Krusie is bad because of Kris' autistic horny simping for Susie, or that Kralsei is bad because of Ralsei's step on me homolust.
>>4155084Doesn't matter if Paper Mario "stalls" or "wastes your time" at any point anyway, CoL's main point of pissing and shitting is that the episodic game isn't complete yet, so all the "stalling" means he has to feel it in real world years instead of "oh, that's annoying, can't wait to kick that guy's ass in a few hours" like in non-episodic titles.
This argument is pointless because Suselle is part of the prophecy. Suselle is mind rape. Noelle, who has gained at least a little freedom from its shackles, becomes her true self and starts focusing mainly on Kris. Noelle still loves Kris, as evidenced by the fact that she constantly thinks about Kris subconsciously, that is something that prophecy cannot completely change.
>>4155085Krusie is not lust, they are literal friends who bonded over several days worth of adventures, and they have not been implied to be desperate for each other like Suselle
>>4155085>Since fucking when do you fuckers believe lust is bad?Writing (well) a lust based relationship is a different beast to writing (well) a love based relationship.The narration and portrayal in Deltarune implies like they have this deep bond which is not true at all. They have no real connection compared to their chemistry with other characters. Same issue as Alphyne really.
>>4155088Kris has been simping for Susie since Chapter 2, arguably 1
>>4154911It's ICE-E and that's his gimmick and why he's in the pipes.
2 Girls?3 Angles?4 knights?In Undertale there are 2 possible Angles: Asriel for the Pacifist Route and Chara For the No Mercy Route.So we should be trying to determine who the candidates for the Angel of Side A, Side B, and the potential Twisted Route could be.There's also the Issue of knights. In the "victory" cutscene against The Knight, the spites used have the word "knighted" in their filenames, and what's even more is that Susie's Chapter 1 description refers to her as a "Dark Knight"
>>4155080i've long said that suselle is the lapidot of vidya
>>4154935Nothing outside of the game is canon. Simple as.
>>4155085I've always been a krisellefag. The relationship between Kris and Noelle is deep and sincere. They know each other inside and out because they've spent so many years together. Kriselle is beautiful, and everything would have been great if THAT DAY hadn't ruined everything.
>>4153911>only care about HMOFA self-insert fantasies involving Kris.I do that. So?
>>4155008Nice Undertale characters!
>>4155013And in 4 she said she wants adventures forever.
We've been wondering for a long time>How is Toby going to make a game for a schizo dream?>How come there's only one ending? How is that gonna be good?And I think now people are going to accept that the answer is that its gonna be bad.
>>4155089Undertale would have been a better game with no romance at all. As for Alphyne, Alphys could have gone to Mettaton and Undyne to Papyrus I guess. But really no romance at all would have been fine. The gay pandering was already there with the knights anyway.
>>4155099There's going to be more than one ending though.
>>4155099I don't think either of these is that silly of a concept. Why am I supposed to object to games with one ending?
>>4155085Noelle feeling lust for Susie is bad. Noelle feeling lust for Kris (who is literally me) is good
>leave for a hour>dozens of posts of Kriselltard and CoL having meltiesYay...
>>4155104You don't understand what lust is you moron
Milf Kris will save Chapter 7
>>4155102It'll be the same one ending, the difference will be whether or not there's an epilogue.He already did this with Halloween Hack, the only way the game ends is with killing Andonuts. You can either kill him as soon as you enter his lab, netting you the unsatisfying abrupt end, or you can Push The B Button, Stupid! to enter his Magicant to try and figure out how to save him from his own madness, only to fail because he's truly too far gone, and must be put out of his misery, thus you kill Andonuts to leave his Magicant, except this time you get an epilogue that shows the rest of the world will be OK now that the monster-making madman is dead.
>>4155104>(who is literally me)Are you a cute girl with a taste for men’s clothing?
>>4155104>Noelle feeling lust for KrisNoelle's thoughts about Kris are always sincere.
>>4155109Mantle already implies Deltarune's Side B ending will be different since you're literally killing everyone in Hometown.Unless you wanna consider "And then the depths were sealed away" as the one ending then i guess Frisk going through the barrier is proof Undertale has only one ending.
>>4155108No, ERAM will be our saviour
>>4155106>KriselltardMost of the people in this thread are krisellefags. That's the only part of the game that's actually well-written.
>>4155106>newsletter comes>Pluey wins the vote, thread devolves into CoL's "toby RAPED me" seething because it's yet another fandom jab scene>Queen wins the vote, thread devolves into Kriselle's "toby RAPED me" seething because it's yet another pro-Suselle sceneWe're just lubing up for both possibilities.
This guy is megagigaraped just like usI bet his husband is jealous of Tobyhttps://youtu.be/MdfoD78rIg0
>>4155114Evil Loli Kris...
>>4155119She cute
>>4155120Damn girl you kiss your mother with that mouth?
We're all going to be raped if Chapter 6 turns out to be full of suselleslop. I don't believe there's a single anon here who could sit through an entire chapter of writing on the level of the Suselle lake scene. It's impossible to read.
>>4155108Kris is dying so Milf Kris will never exist, just like how we never got Milf Frisk and Chara
>>4155114>>4155120ERAM being drawn as a literal eldritch horror while having a laugh this cute will never not be funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbiX4xNoBY
>>4155128Milf Frisk was always possible though, as is Milf Chara (Post-Genocide) since she's resurrected in that route.
>>4155118Alphys raped him
LESS THAN AN HOUR LEFTVote for Noelle in Queen of /v/.https://forms.gle/LzWKssuo9eUoeysq7Password is Amaterasu
>>4155130But we never SEE it in game, it's left to your IMAGINATION as always.
Just realized Alphys and Susie are both dinosaurs and also lesbians. Maybe this is why they got extinct.>>4155132I don't have much hope but good luck anyways.
>Always thought character tea was cringe>Even more cringe that apparently a lot of the fanbase thinks its bad that it stopped updating between chapters>As if a constantly updating a tracker that says THIS CHARACTER LIKES THAT CHARACTER would be good>Then this happensWhat the hell, you know? What the hell.
>>4155132AIIIIIIIIEEEEEE MISTY-SAMA PLEASE BE MERCIFUL!!!!
>>4155138Just ignore it. Toby doesn't even know what he's doing.
>>4155138Too bad it can't kill Ralsei if you say "Good, keep smiling" like I did in my three saves.
>>4155142HOLY BASED
>>4155138This is just Toby teasing-rape you with the idea of an item tracking the love progress you have with the characters like some dating-sim but never happens except for the faggoatIf Toby really updated that shit, we would see huge constant changes with wr Noelle changing values with Kris
>>4155142Mental illness.
>>4155144But I am sexually attracted to faggoat
>>4155138He probably changed his mind at the last second.
>>4155147Ah, as with everything else Toby didn't follow through on that I thought was foreshadowed.
>There are people who unironically believe that the king of ero games lolicon Toby Fox made a a otaku lizard that sits on her computer all day monitor a kid through camera and felt something for them is just platonic admiration and its all justified in the story
>>4155151Eh it's more that the fandom decided to ignore the ''problematic'' parts of Undertale like when you can flirt with Toriel as a kid, something similiar happened with Kris and Pink, toby can do no wrong
>>4155151Alphys is not a lolicon, she doesn't like Frisk.
>>4155156He's here...
>>4155151No I agree with that actuallyIt's just not that big of a deal since it's played as a joke and UT is a good game
>>4155151If Alphys were still a boy like Toby originally planned, the contempt for him would be universal, especially because he'd presumably still get with Undyne.
>>4155157Yes, I, Toby Fox, am here to say Alphys is pure and doesn't molest a single loli.only the annoying dog does it.
>>4155162She literally groomed Mettaton though??
>>4155162what about all the lolis she invited into her secret private lab during the geno run?
>>4155132I just woke up and had a dream of noelle taking the l, it's so over, instead of drowning her opponent she became ben drowned..
>>4155081It's not bait. FemKris won.
>>4155163Mettaton was the one who contacted her and begged her to make his dream come true.>>4155164That was Flowey slandering her and trying to steal her identity. Now please enjoy more wholesome adventures with Chapter 6!
>>4155132>>4155167It's ogre!She lost bigly.
>Muffet and Noelle are now outIt's finally over...
>>4155179>>4155180GET USED UP
>>4155184Honestly doefags were getting really annoying and spammy so I'm not surprised they lost. Still RIP.
>>4155187Sorry, the falseflaggers hopped in at the same time and blew up the image count with us.oops
Seth and Frisk lost in qualifiers (with Frisk being barred out of next 128 because series limit)Kris and Dess lost in round 1 of next 128. Susie lost in barred round 1. Carol lost in round 1 of queen.Pink lost in round 2 of next 128. Chara and Aqua lost in barred round 2.And Muffet and Noelle lost in round 3 of QueenNot a bad run all things considered. Hopefully ut/dr does better in King.
>>4155179She had a good runIt was already 2 extremely close round in row. If the seed was different, Noelle could have made it farther.
>>4155191There was a falseflagger post tranny and dyke Noelles but there were a lot of legit doefags spamming the same ten images each thread.
It's doever...
>>4155192So Carol did better then Susie? Wow I knew Susiecoin tanked but that’s surprising.
>>4155197Yes, Carol actually qualified to the tournament over Susie, somehow.
>>4155179I'm going to spitevote Misty. I have 6 Google accounts.
>>4155196i can maek more oc next timebut only if chapter 6 doesn't tank the noellecoin too>>4155200do not do this
>>4155201>do not do thisKris would do it tho
>>4155086I don't think said ass kicking Is happening anymoreThe endless excuses, man. Paper Mario guaranteed a star spirit at the end of every chapter before the last one. There is nothing to justify why every item to make progress has to be saved till the tail-end of the game, just endless excuses to justify the shit that has not let up for multiple real-life years. Quit stalling.
>>4155191Don't kid yourself. You were annoying before that.
>>4155197Susie has been flopping in queen of /v/ since the chapter 2 days
>>4155200don't do it m8, just take it on the chin. next year will be better hopefully.spite is so fuckin lame.
>>4155201>do not do thisFuck off, white knight nigger. I hate nintendoslop. I'll vote against that slut Misty if I want to.
>>4155200I used like 20 and it wasn't even enough
>>4155208Shut the fuck up. I'm voting for Hornet now.
>>4155205I'm going to disagree.We had an outstanding doefag putting his foot down nearly every thread saying, "Do not spitevote. Don't fucking spam the threads."Whoever that was, I hope they're having a good ass life.>>4155210Fine, jeez. Don't [come crying] back to the thread complaining about everyone thinking doefags are sore losers.
>>4155204>There is nothing to justify why every item to make progress has to be saved till the tail-end of the gameItems are not progress. Progress is progress. That is the "excuse".
Malon should win queen of v
>>4155212>HornetWait. Hornet raped Tifa? YES, I am voting for her too.
wheres the link for the collection of noelle OC? I hope that dude making the comics finishes them. they were so good.>>4155212whatever man. go ahead and ruin it for others like others ruined it for us and keep the retarded cycle of spite going.
>>4155217indie rep beating AAAslop is always fun
I'm gonna vote for the characters that cause the most seethe
>>4155211Most of the retards here don't realize that Queen of /v/ is rigged. They only vote once. If everyone here voted multiple times, Noelle would have won. It's super easy to create a few Google accounts.
>>4155179I guess you could say, Noelle drowned lmao?Still, that was a good run, to get this far is impressive since utdr is always hated for troonism can't blame them i love joking about deltatroon, but also just shows how dead /v/ feelsI would say if 7B is that fucking good, she could win
>>4155215You are a liar. If the game checks If you have the items or not, you have to actually collect them, as in, have them in your inventory.Mind telling me when the game lets up and the "ass kicking" you keep talking about is actually going to happen? It doesn't even look close.
>>4155219>go ahead and ruin it for others like others ruined it for usSounds good to me.
>>4155219Oh it's all over here, I double-checked.https://4tourney.wikitide.org/wiki/Queen_of_/v/_2026/Gallery
>>4155223It's very easy to rig it, just vote with different accounts on irregular time intervals, the closer to the form release the better.
It was a good runI will not vote in the next rounds I just dont care enough
>>4155225>If the game checks If you have the items or not, you have to actually collect them, as in, have them in your inventory.The game checks your story progress. The game won't somehow forget you're in chapter 6 or 7.
>>4155230It'll be kind of funny seeing how far the voter turnout drops.
>>4155232even though i want to vote for sue sack of moto...
>>4155228danke brudder
We'll win next year if each of you creates at least 5 Google accounts by then.
>>4155214That doefag was pretty cool compared to the average doefag being a nutcase schizo, yeah.
The tournaments are obviously rigged, there's history of previous hosts changing the bracket and votes to suit their desires and let's not forget that they were offered to change the poll system to one with better anti-rigging systems but nothing changed.
Miaty won only because of spitevoting against LE DELTATROON character. Now she's going to lose badly to Hornet.
>>4155238Like everything in 4chan, it's just one giant circlejerk, and the mods probably pressured them to make sure UTDR never stood a chance in exchange for still being allowed to conduct their threads on /v/.
>>4155224Noelle is going to be USED UP in 7B plus there's everything that's going to happen to her in 6 and 7, too. I think this is the farthest she goes.
>>4155214>>4155237The world has always operated on the principle of an eye for an eye. Stop pretending to be saints.
>>4155238Aqua and Chara lost in barred by basically the same percentage so there's definitely rigging going on. Nothing that can be done about it.
>>4155238Yeah, but I did see a host actually take up my offer to NOT fucking use Google of all things for votes.A seperate client is so fucking easy to make now with vibecoding that there isn't an excuse to continue to use Google.
>>4155243if everyone played ball this world wouldn't be such shit and the degradation of it begins with the individual.
>>4155243>*But it refused
Most people vote multiple times. Whoever has the most Google accounts wins. Play dirty and create multiple Google accounts, you retards.
>>4155238The tournament in general is also driven by spite, it's expected honestly, people voting agaisnt things they don't link plus not having a good system to counter the multi-account votes, UTDR was always hated so it's really impressive Noelle and Muffet get this farIt was a good run overall all things considered
Nothing will change unless we get a new host, one that is from /v/ and not a /co/fag like the current ones we have.
>>4155249We know that, but I the individual just wanted a good fight.And I got one. Mistyfags grappled with us blow for blow until the Abib crew popped in.That's when things got messy. It isn't about Misty at that point, it's about spiting the jannies.Total janny death.In fact I might take up your offer to continue voting for things that upset the jannies. Next type moon/lob corp/fire emblem rep gets my vote.
>>4155243>Stop pretending to be saints.I will be like my HEROINE, Frisk, and be a pacifist.
>>4155246>>4155248Because of this mindset, we are becoming a minority in our own countries.
>>4155249I have like 100 that I use to rig in nominations, have bumped some of my mains to a higher position but they never qualify
>>4155254m8 I'm brown
>>4155197Susie coin dropped so much value with 5, Noelle coin went high thanks to the lake, i don't even hate Susie like people did over the shipping but she was kinda ass in 5
>>4155256Well, now it all makes sense. Of course you want everyone to be spineless cucks.
I'm spitevoting and voting for Shantae this round, would be funny to see the number 1 seed win for once.
>>4155254>not wanting to go to such crazy lengths for a silly little poll that is supposed to be for fun primarily due to the art that gets pumped out makes me spineless.whatever you say.
>>4155255So that's how Carol qualified
>>4155231So I can just skip to chapter 6 or 7 and get the same result? So the actions of the early chapters literally accomplish nothing just because they're not in chapter 6 or 7?Why? Why do you have to save all the questing and achievements and stuff for the tail-end of the game? Why would you do this, this is horrible.
Noelle, you were supposed to lake'd your opponent not yourself!Misty was a super fitting opponent regardless of losing, water vs ice match-up
>>4155264You know if you could start from chapter 6 or 7 in any game it would be the same, right? It wouldn't let you start in a later chapter then make you go back and do all the content from the earlier chapters. It would give you the items you'd logically have to have picked up. Because a game keeps track of where you should be in the story, I can't think of any that run solely off of your inventory.
>>4155236Unironically this. Twenty Anons with ten emails would have swooned the vote today.>>4155201>>4155208I appreciate the nice doeposting from you two, but there's nothing we could've done once people started falseflagging and spamming unrelated DR pics. It was a good fight.Either way, the enemy employed all manner of kikery today and we must outkike them if we wish for and UT/DR character to have any chance of winning in the future. Until the hosts decide to move from Google forms to something more rig proof, you can assume that we are being spitevoted right from the first round.
>>4155268>Outkike the kikesI'm not going to join AIPAC, sorry.
I think this tournament isn't that serious and you need to accept your loss gracefully. Noelle winning would've only made the jannies even madder at us.
>>4155275Total fucking janny death?I mean, that was the point.Kicking the hornet's nest was all I was wanting to do. And I did, and we did, and it showed.All of /v/ knows the fate of our threads. Like lighting a beacon on the great fucking wall of china, all of them know.
>>4155276Everyone worthwhile has already left /v/ though
>>4155275it would had been really funny though
Queen won. Mikes got raped.https://deltarune.com/vote/
>>4155280damn this is the midterms all over again
>>4155275>I think this tournament isn't that serious and you need to accept your loss gracefullyI take competitions very seriously. Queen of /v/ is a competition about who has the most Google accounts. I'll prepare more for next year, and I suggest you do the same.
>>4155280MORE SUSELLESLOP SOON ARGHHHHHHHHHH
>>4155283okay, fine.I contributed a good chunk of OC so you can use this as my word, screenshot and everything.If chapter 6 doesn't tank noelle stocks to nothing, I will make 5 google accounts to vote with before the next queen of /v/.Sound good?
>>4155287>Sound good?Yes
Vagueposting lost.
>>4155290at least queen is legitimately funny and she certainly will try to be funny about suselle.
>>4155286That's why I voted for her, I want to see what her scene is about.
>>4155292Bad writing isn't funny.
What happened to the newsletter that was just the annoying dog sleeping? It was posted here either during the past week or the week before and this one just reminded me of it. I'm an eurofag so I don't know if I overslept anything and it got buried in the thread or if it was another nothingburger Toby made to edge us.
>>4155266But this game doesn't let you pick up anything
>>4155295Anon. Annoying dog sleeping is the 404 page.
Kek.https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3n23ciftko223https://x.com/tobyfox/status/2120687530505097512
>>4155297Okay, I may be retarded. I see link in thread, I click link in thread. Other Anons were acting raped about it so I assumed it was real.
>>4155294
>>4155303oops, meant for >>4155300>>4155294Queen is funny though. She can be funny about how badly written suselle is.
>>4155290Miketwt what the fuck happened?losing is one thing but this fucking hard?
my FUARKING QUEEN
This is ABUSE TOWARDS MUTE PEOPLESo much for the woke crown can't vote a disable furry faggot in a suit...
>>4155311*crowd, lmao
>>4155290He won.
>>4155276You are being incredibly histrionic. All you did was annoy some anons for a few days. Even if they "know" none of them give a shit and nothing will come of it.
>>4155315uh could you say that again but without the cock in your mouth?
>>4155303Trackaipac is a doxxing site that wants to incite violence against anyone that supports Israel. Communists shilling for terrorism again.
>>4155317thank you, AIPAC, very cool
>>4155316NTA but since we didn't even get to E8, people will forget about this in a week. We need to vote harder next time.
>>4155317>Complaining about commie violence the one time it works out for you
>>4155320I have always hated communism. Always.
>>4155317>wants to incite violence against anyone that supports Israeland thats a bad thing?
>>4155322Yes. I don't want to get murdered by some monkey who sees this shit. I don't want my family to get murdered by some monkey that sees this shit.
>>4155323>he's a jew.you know we (yes, we) all hate your kind with or without trackaipac, right?the damage you people have done to the country is irreversible.
>>4155325Kill me yourself, then, you fucking coward. You support terrorists, but you'd never carry out the deed yourself. You just want browns to do it for you.
>>4155315>annoy some anonsWhhhaaaaa you can't post pictures! STFU retard. We had the fastest board on /v/ until the jannies locked us in here.
>>4155327>boardthread*
>>4155290Suselle won.
>>4155330We know, you're a cuck.
>>4155276All it's doing is guaranteeing we can't return to /v/ again.
>>4155338>Chapter 6 drops>No thread on /v/I'd eat my fucking hat
>>4155338we're already a banned vidya, anon.only way we're getting a thread is if the mod responsible chills out before CH6 releases.
At least with Queen we will know what will be the toneAnd if Noelle is in the cutscene, then i will know toby once again raped me with expectations and nothing bad happened to Rudy
People here really love getting raped.At least we aren’t dying as virgins.
>>4154447
>>4155352deltaroon but good?
>>4154963It's fine if it's the weird route mention, but it isn't.
>>4155353Except that's not happening in a scenario where you can vote between two darkners and >You will see a stupid 1 minute scenetoby is literally raping me
>>4155358In every sense of the word.
>>4155362did you really think that>chapter 5 is the last fun chaptermeant>you wont get a final goodbye to castletown where all the character's you've met on your journey will have a final gag before everything goes to shit
>>4155364Yeah but when everything goes to shit will only happen at the very end of ch6 after Carol vagueposts and the Knight kidnaps her and Susie for the third time will tell you they will take the Knight treat serious this time she promises
>>>/vg/587546075any artists?
>>4155366toby already said that there wont really be any marketable darkners.do you think that means "another fun happy funtime dark world"?
>>4155367should i draw porn?I need the practice to REALLY FEEL IT when I'm making concept art.
>>4155363
Kris is extremely fucking lucky that he got a retarded companion you can easily amuse with a dark world adventure and a submissive bitch that even when he knows you're doing bad shit, he just allows itKris ''plan'' is perfect
>>4155367You will have better luck asking in /v/ if any deltathread survives
>>4155352>>4155363>>4155370Undertale/Deltarune?
>>4155353You're as raped as the guy you're indirectly replying to.
>>4155373We are being punished for using too many image slots in the queen vote threads.
>>4155368Okay i will stop memeing and doomposting for a bitI just don't like this implication that in castletown they are fucking around with something silly like doing an election when apparently something bad happened to RudyIf Noelle is not present in that cutscene, then fine, no one knows what's happening so it's not their fault for having funI just don't want Noelle to be in that cutscene because it would confirm that nothing big happened with Rudy
>>4155377what if its noelle's obviously miserable in the cutscene.
>>4155380Worse, what if she mentions Rudy's dead and both Susie and Noelle don't bat an eye at it.
>>4155369bro please I'm begging>>4155372ok.
>>4155373Literally the plot of Deltarune but better in every way. I go back to back and DQ7 is infinitely better.
>>4155380That would be fine actually, like taking her to the darkwold to cheer her up but she just doesn't care anymore
>>4154754Chapter 5 revealed that shapeshifting is not special, everyone can do it: Lightners, Darkners, hybrids, etc.
>toby talks more about pluey than queen in the latter's victory announcement 'i didn't write the mikes' my ass, hoe's mad
>>4155389post it
>>4155380It would be extra hilarious
>>4155390https://files.catbox.moe/sbv5rs.PNGhttps://files.catbox.moe/2kgf5y.PNGabsolutely S E E T H I N G he 100% wanted to show off more mike bullshit instead of whatever queen was doing
>>4155394I only see PURE WHITE and it is not CUM
>>4155394catbox aint boxin.use litterbox.
>>4155395shitwell i didn't want to bloat the image limit but i guess catbox is fucked atmhere's bluesky
>>4155395>>4155397and xitter
>>4155397I hate bluesky
>>4155397>>4155398>toby you cant just say that, you know how your politically brained fanbase will take it>fuckin watch me.
>>4155398>Still, pretty impressive considering Queen has a whole chapter to herself and Pluey was an independently funded candidate with no corporate backing whatsoeverLMAO this dude is literally Toby>>4153098>>4154035>>4155224
>>4155405i am at least one of those toby fox's and i say femrkris is realpretty cool, huh
>>4155406>pretty cool, huhI mean, it is true so yeah.
>>4155404Your wholesome chungus terrorist simps you call independent candidates get funding from the third world.
>>4155410proving my point award
>>4155411He started it though, by being a terrorist supporter
>>4155417The guys at /vg/ are dying to talk to you. You should check their thread out.
>>4155224its fuckin dead /v/ is so fuckin dead. Also toby don't ever, EVER call me fuckin gross for loving noelle you fuck. You've been up in your ivory tower for too long and don't understand the plight of the common man anymore.
>>4155426>Also toby don't ever, EVER call me fuckin gross for loving noelle you fuck.YIKES. Noelle only loves two people, and you are not one of them.
>>4155428Self inserting is ok, actually.
>>4155089>Same issue as Alphyne really.The relationship happens just because it's a stereotype (butch-femme couple). As all things stereotypical, they lack authenticity. But while in Undertale, it didn't matter much in the great scheme of things (you could take it lightly), this is central to the tragedy that's unfolding in Deltarune: Noelle missed the call about Rudy because of Susie's recklessness (she threw her phone away while they were "dating"). The forced stereotype actually caused something bad, revolting. Side B is about Noelle's revolt against the stereotypes ("a Noelle is just a Noelle").
>Noelle lost>Muffet lost>Glados lost
>>4155448sorry to keep you waiting
>>4155450yeah fuck /v/ I'll make tons of accounts. Do you guys just make a bunch of burner emails or something?
>>4155454see >>4155208>>4155201
>>4155456i dont agree with him, but you're crazy if you think the king/queen events on any board arent already botted to hell and back.
>>4155014Yeah he does, but it's only if it's got an NTR spin to it.I don't think he's wrote a single non-fucked straight couple. The good ending ones are always wholesome chungus faggotry.
>>4155454Yeah I just made a bunch of Gmail accounts over time and I made sure to write them all down for later use.
>>4155179Could be /doe/fags spitevoting to keep "/v/tards" out.
>>4155458The Cattenheimers are the literal only straight couple that's doing well, and that's because they already endured their suffering with Mr. Cat's arm-losing incident.
>>4155463did they ever explain that or is it part of THAT FATEFUL DAY?
>>4155458Which is weird considering he didn't grow up with divorced parents. Toby really is just a straight up degen
>>4155473Or he doesn't feel a need to include something that's the default when he's doing his setdressing.
>>4155367anyone wanna draw this?
>>4155465he lost in in the war
>>4155367So this is why thread quality fell. It's /utg/ cancer seeping in.
>>4155290IT'S A GIGA.
>>4155465Honestly I always figured his missing arm was a hint that monster bodies are flesh and blood in this universe instead of being made of dust.I think the only maimed person in Undertale is Undyne, but there's a chance she just wears it to look cool
i have deduced the true identity of the knight for the safety of the posters in this thread, i have hidden it behind this spoiler tag
>>4155514>Jobs to Gerson like a bitch award
>>4155307No one likes pandering/strawmen/whatever Mike trio are.
>>4155307Turns out when you add a way to actually filter the most likely people to rig the votes, the honest but quiet majority opinion shines through.
Queen was using sissy mind-control transformation devices on poor darkners, they will regret voting for her
>>4155528Werewire transformation is hot though
>>4155307The mikes are optional content, Queen is a bossNot that surprising really.
>>4155530The green pippin would have a better chance now that i think about it since he became a meme and not the other two mikes, but yeah dunno what toby expected putting an optional character vs main boss, someone like tenna would have destroyed queen but he wouldn't be fit for that thing
what if the election thing is the gag ingame and kris is the tiebreaker?the vote was just to see which way it ends early.
>>4155534Most likely, the page said that you will see both later no matter who won
>>4155534It could be that or the scenes Toby teased back then with Queen and Pluey
>>4155534>>4155535>>4155536Something something "le choices no matter."
>>4155537Stop being raped.
>>4155537You are not thinking raped enoughAfter you vote, Susie will vote the other party and because she is so fucking awesome and prophecy holding pen breaker contrarian that doesn't respect your choices, her vote will count as two people and the one you voted will lose
You know for a serious story-focused chapter, chapter 6 sure does have a lot of goofy comedy shit...
>>4155539>Susie>Ms. "fuck you, I do my own thing" Incarnate>limiting herself to one of the predetermined optionsNo, Susie will vote for someone else entirely and it'll be a miraculous sweep because no matter who you pick, Queen and Pluey are in a stalemate, so they try to figure out how to decide a tiebreaker.But since Darkners don't know shit about politics, they assume Susie's one vote is more powerful due to clitlicker bias AND the fact it means the third party isn't in a stalemate, so by default they win.
>>4155543Holy fuck lmao, you took my idea and made it worse, i love that, i would fucking hate susie even more but it would be so funny
>>4155540Chapters 6 7 are meant to be goofy anon, only 7B will succeed in the impossible task of taking itself seriously.
i mean yeah but i think it'd be funny if toby used the "queen took big donations" thing in game>election results finished>ralsei announces that queen took 50k dark dollars from KING KORP in donations>laughter can be heard from the castle's basement while everyone whispers in shock>if you voted for queen she runs off to free king, if you voted pluey she gets locked up with him.
>>4155540Or, Toby is focusing on the goofy comedy shit from Castle Town right now because he wants to keep the serious stuff that's absolutely happening AFTER the Castle Town visit for the Nintendo Direct trailer.
>>4155545Okay but I'm expecting at least one Hometown resident to die in an extremely retarted way.
>>4155547I can't wait for the nintendo trailer to be just shots of castletown
>>4155550>Coping after his pick was raped by the Silent majorityWow, he's just like me...
>>4155553Noelle losing by like 30 votes to a 30+ year old video game character from the most popular game franchise on earth (arguably) is honestly impressive, especially because of millennial nostalgia glasses
>>4155555Especially when most of Misty's voters were literally only voting her out of spite for "muh Deltatroon" and not any actual love or reverence for the character.
>>4155549Done; mister Cattenheimer will fall into a woodchipper and the harem protagonist known as Sans will comfort Ms. Cattenheimer through this difficult period.
>>4155555(Especially since there's a lot of rigging/botting involved)
Hello!I would like to start this off by saying that I, much like Pink, am transgender, specifically MtF. I had been a fan of Pink/Mad Mew Mew ever since undertales initial release when she was still the Mad Dummy.Mew Mew as a character was always intended to be Trans representation. As a matter of fact, the ghosts are all meant to be. They start non-binary until they find a host, for instance Mettaton would be transmasc. Mew Mew was representation for specifically Trans female, which in Undertales initial release was only really shown with the lion by Mettatons performance (LOVE her btw!!!) My issue does not lie with Mew Mew, nor is it with Pink. Instead, its with how people treat her.The irritable ghost and the Mew Mew doll fuse together to make Pink. They are one person! Pink does not exist without the ghost, nor does she exist without the doll.Mew4Mew is, in my eyes, a complete fetishization of being a transfem. Boiling a character made to represent loving who you once were and who you will be down into "selfcest yuri" is just... gross.As someone under this umbrella, who struggled a lot with identifying who I was and related much to Mew Mew/Pink, this made me extremely uncomfortable. Its fetishizing both Trans people for existing and lesbians. The game does not say they are together!People treat it as "uwu kawaii yuri!" but its not. Its erasure of Pink and the idea of her being Trans just for people to get off. This doesn't happen with characters like Mettaton, who is Trans masculine. Nobody ships their soul with their body. With these two characters being so identical, my conclusion drawn is that the reason this doesn't happen is because... fetishization. The community at large doesn't want transfem rep. They want something to masturbait to.
>>4155562Don't care I will keep masturbating to Mew and Maddie and Mettaton.
>>4155562It's funny they actually think this about Mad Ghost when she literally says she will never be an anime catgirl and has to LARP being one in a fantasy land inside the school closet.
>>4154916>No, ERAM won't be revealed>the main antagonist of the Dark World will be ICE-E>he doesn't know
>>4155562Kingbro btw
>>4155566ERAM isn't known for making typos though, in fact they outright mock them if we're to believe ERAM is the ARG speaker.
toby finally got raped back by the community and we got unraped, just like how he unraped the doe and raped kris in return, sweet victory, we got our victory bros
>>4155568ERAM's soul is stored within ICE-E and when he dies at the end of chapter 6 ERAM will emerge from his corpse Lord-English style, obviously.
>>4155568Nigga Glaceir is literally there.
>>4155573That isn't direct dialogue from ERAM, though, that's a song title.
>>4155574A song title in ERAM's game
>>4155501he's maimed so we know our nigga onion is still alive out there somewhere
>>4155380It's supposed to be a spoiler free gag scene so I doubt.
>>4155397>>4155398And people deny Toby is political.
>>4155448I was a bit sad over them losing but now that I see you in particular are sad about it I'm happy with it.
>>4155501Monsters still turn to dust when dead, the upstairs book confirms it.
>>4155596I was happy that they lost but now i'm sad that you're happy
>>4155546Queen dislikes King, anon.
I hate Deltarune
LMAOhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/dW27MsGSLL
>>4155562Where did you copy this from?
>>4155598Your sadness is making me double happy about it.
>>4155601Kriselle is yurigem
>>4155601>Kriselle feels hetsloppyThey can sense it. It's like holy water to a vampire.
>>4155605I repeat my question>Is Deltarune not woke enough
>>4155606For them, every single character, without exception, must be gay. There shouldn't even be a hint of a heterosexual relationship. That's why they're constantly seething at Kriselle.
>>4155610They? When the majority of Kriselle shippers are lesbians?
>>4155611>When the majority of Kriselle shippers are lesbians?Where on earth did you even get that from? We don't have any statistics. Most artists draw Kris as a boy or simply androgynous. I don't really care about those popular Kriselle artists who draw suicide comics over and over again. By the way, could you explain why some lesbians and trans "people" constantly refer to Kriselle as a heterosexual relationship?
>>4155613A loud minority is retarted, that's all.>Suicide comics over and over againSorry but Goomy will always be the most popular Kriselle artist!
THE REPUBLIQUEEN PARTY WINS ONCE AGAIN! MIKECRATS GET BTFO'D AGAIN LIKE IRL! EVEN TOBY SOUNDED BUTTHURT THAT THE POLITICAL ALLEGORY OF THE SIDE HE WANTED TO LOSE WON! HAHAHA!!! QUEEN DELTARUNE FTWW
>>4155613Don't attack Goomy, her Kriselles are the most canon accurate.
>>4155618Queen's votes were literally blue colored you fucking MakeCastletownGreatAgaintard. You won't be laughing so much once the stuff you did on Spamton's private dark world emerge.
The Mikes symbolize everything wrong with Deltarune. The cringe humor, the theory slop, the mystery baiting, the worthlessness of Castle town, the waste of dev time with pointless features. Hoping Chapter 6 is the last time I have to see those gross glup shittos
>>4155622>Still this raped over Battat in the big 2026
>>4155613I mean those suicide comics are more interesting than standard romantic cute stuff, but that's just my opinion I guess.
>>4155621thats only to show who won, queen has the america hat and wants to make dark worlds great again, queen is a republiqueen
>>4155616>>4155620Her popularity reflects just how mentally ill the Deltarune fandom is. She draws nothing but depressing, suicidal comics. She doesn't even take breaks to draw something wholesome between these comics.>>4155624It was only interesting a couple of times. Now, whenever Goomy posts something, I ask myself, “Is this another suicide comic?” And it turns out to be true every single time LMAO
>>4155622notice how, despite toby's attempts at getting people to look at the mikes, despite giving all the fan merch and focus on the mikes while ignoring queen, despite toby seething about queen winning, people still choose the paragon of chapter 1 & 2 over the ch3&4 rep, he cant make us like his shitslop chapters
proof that toby got butthurt and raped by the fandom choosing queen
>>4155622You lack media literacy. All of this was intended to be seen like that from the beginning. Mikes are a meta postpartum quasi-irony making fun of Deltarune-like games ad hoc because Deltarune is a self aware bone-chilling masterpiece and it knows that many DR clones will sprout after it is finished. It's called deconstruction.
>>41556281 minute of suselleslop...
>>4155630yup, They're going to mimic the King and Queen festival thing in the Dark World and Queen will make it the Queen and Queen festival and win both positions for herself, then ralsei points out that it has to be two people so queen decides to place susie and noelle as the queens because queen just made it a queen and queen festival and its gonna be more suselle slop again
>>4155631nah, queen invites tenna.if queen can be lancer's girl dad, then tenna can be his boy mom.
>>4155629lotta words to say Toby wanted to spite and rape me
>>4155626To me it just sounds you're jealous she's popular and your interpretation of Kriselle is not lol.
>>4155632>Interspecies heterosexuality>In a Toby Cocks gameTwisted route has a higher chance of being real than that
>>4155626>Her popularity reflects just how mentally ill the Deltarune fandom is.She literally predicted several parts of the weird route in 4 and 5. She's way better than you or anyone who sees Kriselle as just a regular trad relationship, she actually understands the characters.
Did Toby really think people like the Mikes enough to vote for Pluey? Even if you don't hate the Mikes most fans don't even know who they are because they are locked behind obscure bullshit. Toby even comments through Battat that no one cared about the minigames. I feel like Toby made up the Mikes as a shitpost injoke in his discord with Andrew Hussie and Hussie was like "you should totally put that in, it would be SO FUNNY". He really thought the Mikes were gonna be a audience laugh riot and is now assblasted that people hate them. STOP LISTENING TO HUSSIE, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF THIS IS FANFIC TIER IMAGINING WHAT TOBY DOES. ROBERT IF YOU ARE READING THIS STOP LISTENING TO HUSSIE.
>>4155632toby wants to make keeping tenna seem like a bad thing, why would he reward players with queentenna for deciding that mettaton should simply go outside instead of staying a shut-in watching tv 24/7 and that tenna should learn to face the consequences of his actions and grow as a person instead of getting immediate gratification from being validated on needing lightner attention instead of getting therapy before inevitably getting thrown out at some point in the future? susie said that tenna should be given away so toby insists you shall give tenna away immediately!
>>4155627Queen also had the nip vote, too.
>>4155639i thought the mikeschizos were enough to either win by a landslide or at least have a close 49/51 loss
>>4155616>GoomyI love her comics, but the more I read the more I wonder where the hell are the comics for the rest of the ships.Like, why does Kriselle gets pic related on average and Suselle gets jack shit? Isn't the latter supposed to be the good, right, approved, popular, cute and canon ship?
>>4155634Wholesome Kriselle is canon up until THAT DAY. It might not be as popular as the depressing stuff, but it's still popular.>>4155638>She literally predicted several parts of the weird route in 4 and 5.What did she predict? That Noelle was depressed and traumatized? That was obvious. Noelle has been like that ever since THE INCIDENT.
>>4155639Toby felt betrayed when all the nips went for Queen instead of Pluey
>>4155645She predicted the Chapter 4 scene and the lake scenes, or at least Noelle’s behavior in those. It's more than your favorite artists.
>>4155643>SuselleAnyone with a three-digit IQ can see that Suselle is poorly written garbage. There's literally nothing to it. What's there to draw?
>>4155643Because despite what our local schizophrenic wants you to believe people care about Kriselle specifically because of the Weird Route, because they want angst. Suselle is not as popular as them because it barely has angst potential.>>4155645Nigga Kris and Noelle were never in an official relationship even as KidsYou might as well say Krusie was canon until the festival
>>4155649>Suselle is not as popular as them because it barely has angst potential.Suselle is just not very interesting by contrast.
>>4155649>Nigga Kris and Noelle were never in an official relationship even as KidsWell, yeah, they were just kids. But they were very, very close and even participated in the "King and Queen" game, a game designed for couples. There are also a lot of interesting parallels in the game regarding their relationship.
>>4155641>>4155646Hell yeah, at least now we won't have the fag waiting for a Direct to release CH7 since his fellow japanese idols betrayed him.
>>4155649Suselle is also "canon" and usually those don't get as much art either because they are content with what happens officially.
>>4155601>retarded shitpost>met with mass backlash>top replies are reasonable counterargumentsI know 99% of reddit posts aren't like this but what a breath of fresh air compared to this thread
>>4155648>What's there to draw?Nothing because Kris cucked them.Discussion always revolves around Kris. The actual ride in the Festival is haunted by the secret Kriselle option and the past ride they did. The discussion in Dess' room is actually Kriselle shipbait. As much as Susie claims the Lake is a Suselle location now, everyone associate it with the Weird Route.There is nothing to draw.>
the whole point of kris and noelle's relationship is that they love each other but are too scared to confess for one reason or another.infact now that im thinking about it, what if the event that causes a falling out is noelle spending the whole time in castle town being nostalgic about when she and kris were little?susie realizes that she'll never have THAT and loses it because a vital part of noelle will always be with kris.
>>4155659>they love each other but are too scared to confess for one reason or anotherisn't that the plot of ntr doujinshis
>>4155660unfortunately, i remember on CH5's release there were actual NTR fags saying>wow, what the hell man.we just have to hope that toby doesnt go that route and instead makes them get the happy ending.because i swear to fucking god if toby hands us all the>waited 11 years for NTR fetish crapaward
>>4155659Top ten things that will never happen
It's funny people are still expecting any Deltarune character to win either King of /v/ or Queen of /v/. After Spamton's loss against Batter in 2021 due to spite voting you would think people would accept that trying to compete as a Deltarune candidate is fruitless. There are entire discords of people who are dedicated towards rigging those votes as pathetic as that is.
>>41556651%CHANCE99%FAITH
>>4155662>unfortunately, i remember on CH5's release there were actual NTR fags saying>>wow, what the hell man.Everyone thought Susie was the one stealing Noelle away, because that's how the game is presenting things.
>>4155669Stealing her away from who?
>>4155622>The Mikes symbolize everything wrong with Deltarune. The cringe humor, the theory slop, the mystery baiting, the worthlessness of Castle town, the waste of dev time with pointless featuresliterally the whole point
>>4155670ME i mean kris
>>4155457i am fucking insane, yesmy OC of Flowery will paint him as the Liu Bei of this next tournament.Winning through the people's hearts, aiming specifically for the Abib crew.They're human too.Like Flowery.>>4155666cool numbers, mister lightbringer
>>4155673>LightbringerFitting, since I'm gonna be campaigning for the Soul in king of /v/
>>4155676Kris feet
13 year olds on twitter saying we're misogynistic for voting Mike, look at our fandom dawg we're making it
>>4155677Kris feet in my mouth
>>4155675>(You) are the King of /v/Flowery would want that too.
>>4155681Noelle will give up everything to be a bum with Suz
>>4155685>Noelle runs away to be a nobody in the normal route>Noelle runs away to become nobody in the weird routeBanished, the angel meets with its desire.
>>4155680Toby brainwashes kids with his gay propaganda. This whole mentally ill fandom is his fault. And no one is holding him accountable for the harm he’s caused to these kids.
>>4155657Go back
>>4155659>>4155662I think you need to stop coping that Toby will pull a Mike with Suselle.
Nowadays when I'm feeling bummed I just lurk here to catch the latest "Toby is the most evil retard in existence" cope. It warms my heart.
>>4155675The Soul last hard last year.
>>4155693Maybe this time it'll lose less
>>4155692You're laughing. We're being raped and you're laughing.
>>4155539what are you on about, schizo. there's no voting in-game, it was just for a next newletter
>>4155676too japanese
>>4155675>>4155693Wouldn't it make sense to just merge SOUL with "Anon"? Anon is (You), SOUL is (You).I know that Anon was a finalist in a few of mr. board contests.
>>4155709I don't think my dick would've survived chapter 5
>>4155676Too japanese (good)
>>4155710I think that was said last year. I don't expect the soul to qualify again.
"something horrible is stirring under this town...""A bunch of mentally ill 13 year olds who got groomed on discord will whine about nothing and post their idiotic opinions on twitter for a couple of weeks, then do absolutely nothing at all"
No one cares. Stop wasting image slots
EVERYONE cares! Keep wasting image slots!
i am neither for or against wasting image slots but i will say this: toby fox raped me by having pluey lose the election
Toby Fox raped me even before the election
Toby Fox raped me while I was still in the womb.
Does janny still nuke delta threads on sight?
>>4155745Yes, we're only allowed a thread if there's big news surrounding it. What counts as big news? We don't know. They allowed us a thread when Toby released the Famitsu anniversary artwork, and they usually allow as a thread when a newsletter is out.
Do we have any artists here or are they all in the homosex thread on /vg/?
>>4155747I'm a drawfag but this kind of environment is usually better off just discussing the game.
>>4155748I suppose we are a bit too raped here. I was just curious because the OCs in the vote thread got me in the mood to start sketching again.
7B YOU ACTUALLY CHANGED
>>4155761Ok this is one of the more retarded ones
I would have liked the mikes more if they were an optional boss in 3 instead of being a castle town secret in 4 since 3 feels kind of hollow, if they werent a (complete) joke and if the fight wasnt shit
>>4155761I'm glad it's Toby writing DELTARUNE and not us, because we're fucking retarded.
>>4155745Yes.
Toby Fox raped JRPGs and that's why I played Undertale (including the demo in 2013) in the first place. What would the fate of a story where I'm not even pretending like in RP depend on whether I grinded a lot or not or if I'm applied the right strategy or not? What are my stakes in this? What do I gain from this? If I, the player, am not a part of this world and have influence upon it, why should I care, why should I feel engaged with the story and its characters? Toby's intuition with Undertale was on point: without the player's involvement in the story, a video game might feel stale, on the same level as fictional movies and books. Not that everyone might feel the same, but the engagement with the medium is definitely different.
>>4155761Where's my FUCKING genocides? At this point this is just a Chapter 7 take.
>>4155767People are overcorrecting. They noticed that Toby doesn't always give the fans exactly what they wanted and took that to mean predicting what they wanted was an objective problem.
>>4155769thus, self inserting and making up your own backstory improves the experience
>>4155774You can make a backstory for a character without self-inserting.
>>4155774I already have my self-insert, though.
>>4155761coolcool coolSHIT!! FUCK OFF WITH THAT DIGITAL CIRCUS WE WUIZ CHARACTERS IN A VIDEOGAME TRASH SHIT FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>4155775similar things
>>4155777I really don't see the appeal of sprite sheet meat factory, why the fuck is it so popular out of here
>>4155777>fuck off with the entire story gimmick of Undertale and Deltarune
>>4155779I fucking DESPISE IT manAbsolute fucking garbage that does nothing for the narrative or that characters or the storyIts objectively bad and only has shock value, well not even that, because everyone has "guessed it" already
>>4155779Because it's more of the usual breaking the 4th wall slop that most people tend to like.
>>4155782Retard, it is not the story gimmick so far anywhere.The player interacting with the game does not mean the game is "just a videogame" and the characters not real
>>4155778Not really.
>>4155782when has deltarune broken the fourth wall? other than the intro + whatever bullshit sans is usually on (this is a genuine question and not a gotcha)
>>4155779Because it's a good connecting of the dots we have. Goners are made from images, the goal of the weird route is to break out of the game's normal bounds, one of the WR songs being definitively named after one of the sound test songs invites people to ascribe it to Gaster shenanigans. Ergo, Gaster's "meat factory" has access to something outside the game which gives him access to images of whatever NPC he needs to make a goner of. The sprite sheet.
>>4155782At least said gimmick was actually properly integrated in Undertale
>>4155788>forgetting about FloweyAnon...
>>4155788Every instance of the gameplay mechanics being explicitly acknowledged by the writing as something the characters are experiencing in the same format as you, enforced by reality itself (the dark world), is breaking the fourth wall.
>>4155790Deltarune has been lampshading that the characters are experiencing the gameplay as gameplay and not as reality since chapter one. Susie saying she doesn't know where she got an axe is breaking the fourth wall.
If he actually pulls that shit off I will renounce the game foreverBut I think Toby will leave it up to the imagination and will never do the cringe "characters discover their sprite sheets" trash
>>4155794Everything the fandom tries to predict doesn't come true, so.
>>4155795Suselle will be in Chapter 6, 7 and 7BAre we safe now?
>>4155796Suselle is dogshit so naturally Toby includes it
>>4155796It has to be a mainstream current in the fandom not one random comment
>>4155794I don't understand what's supposed to be so bad about it unless you're envisioning it as the endpoint of the entire story or think the characters would stop caring or mattering because they're "fake"
>>4155795femkris is more true now than it was when it first cropped up last year
>>4155800Anon, femkris is everything but a mainstream take and you know it.
>>4155774Can't do that for a character that doesn't even animate.A static red heart is not a character.
>>4155802Good thing too, otherwise lots of people would think they have to self insert to roleplay in any capacity.
>>4155804But you can't roleplay in the game at allIts impossible
>>4155800Try telling some normalnigger about Femkris, see what happens.
>>4155791i already know undertale does that BS, i was asking about deltarune>>4155792idk if i would call it fourth wall breaking (yet) since there's not much of an explanation for the SOUL like we had in undertale. as of now it's just an unknown 'ghost in the machine' type of deal. i don't want to move the goal posts here, but im looking for something more like a direct 4th wall break; no subversions or allegories or whatever bullshit tricky tony rapes us with.
>>4155801>>4155806the mainstream is downwind of us, /v/rpg/ is more the fanbase than those posers on xitter and reddit are
>>4155808It took them 5 years to even think about the possibility of Hometown being fake, anons here were already making parallels between Hometown and Tazmily since Chapter 2.
Toby neutered all ddlc style Epic chungles meta moments when he turned the dark worlds UI into a joke with Susie. I think the game will take a different approach to its psychological horror in 7b than Noelle sprite sheet meat factory fansharts, or lean into a different aspect of it than just "reality being fake", like what it looks like to video game characters when they become a system glitch themselves, an error process suspended forever in a deteriorating world, pibby glitches whatever. Predeterminism was already a hugely emphasized thread throughout the earlier chapters which is where I think le epic sprite sheet concept comes from, but I don't think it'll be that blatant. Idk
The Soul already became a character the moment it talked in Side B anyways.
>>4155807Any action taken by the characters that requires them to acknowledge elements that are normally exclusive to the audience is breaking the fourth wall. Things like characters not being able to logically carry all the equipment they pull out in battle, the exact stats of a piece of gear, the fact that they're taking turns. This isn't a "subversion" or an "allegory". This is what breaking the fourth wall means. I can't really tell how your expectation differs or what reason you have to write off the fourth wall breaks already in Deltarune.
>>4155810Do people think the meat factory spritesheet is only supposed to hit hard because it's the characters realizing they're... fake? That's nightmarish.
>>4155761>Obviously fake leak>Has Dess as the KnightWell well well...
>>4155815I've seen the concepts, Noelle punches a sprite and realized she can't make that facial expression anymore which is scary because "I'm just a hecking bideogame NPC" whag I'm saying is that Toby could get more creative with how it's shown than just plastering unedited sprite sheets into the game. Maybe the video game characters perceive what we see as just files on a computer in different and inscrutable ways, like cosmic horror and shit, maybe the meat factory is a literal meat factory, IDK
>>4155809as mentioned earlier in the thread, they've also just figured out the relationship between the dreemurr cactus and noelle
>>4155818Man... For people that claim to be obsessed with Deltarune, they sure are slow to notice really obvious shit.
>>4155817No, that's supposed to be scary to her because it proves she's fake, it's meant to be interesting because I want to see exactly how these characters relate to their sprite sheet and what changes do. Does it directly and instantly alter how they look in that frame? Does the update need time to propagate first? Is there some material "thing" linking them to their sprites they can interact with?I think seeing an intentional looking environment outside the bounds of the game would undercut the hell out of 7B. Even if it was supposedly made by Gaster, it should look cobbled together out of elements that don't quite fit.
>>4155819They took like a month to notice that Flowery was meant to parallel Rudy and the immediate response was to make a Flowery version of Noelle and Carol too rather than wonder if any of the other flowers already paralleled those characters.
i never liked the "sprite sheet meat factory" crap because its the laziest interpretation of the concept and it goes literally nowhere.ok, cool. at the bottom of reality is everyone's spritesheets and the characters realized that they're fake.what next?how do they even get out of there unless you do some bullshit like>yeah so the open grand door works as it should and it teleports them somewhere else.
>>4155817people pretend to like spritesheetslop because slapping a sprite edit on a sprite sheet they got online is easier than doing anything creative
>>4155767>>4155771Guys, haven't you seen how poorly Suselle is written?
>>4155823Don't kid yourself. The laziest interpretation of the meat factory is some generic spooky machine that goes through a partly obscured gory process to make goners.>what next?They use the "omniscient" look at the game to answer some questions, navigate to other basic parts of the game like a representation of code or dialogue strings, or maybe something Gaster left behind to connect him to/protect the meat factory finds them.
>>4155818Third route was also something we figured out a bit in ch2 by keeping the thorn and had more evidence with sword route, which it also confuses me why some anons feel so raped over it
>>4155827If there's only two routes then the NR is secretly bad and the WR is the secretly good end.If there's three then the WR could be a bad end as well.They want the WR to be the good route.
>>4155827There's no third route you dummy.
>>4155829The only reason i can believe that is that toby is fucking lazy and the sword is a fucking meme that probably only changes one cutscene, and seeing how bad we got raped in 5 i can see why people think that way
>>4155793
Chapter 5 made it extremely obvious the knight is Rudy. It perfectly corresponds to all its actions. How does Dess explain any of it? Answer: it doesn't.
>>4155837toby himself said in the newsletter we don't have all the info yet
>>4155837Dess is the only Holiday who doesn't need an alibi to be the knight since she's already lost.Rudy's alibi would need to have Carol in on it since there's no way she wouldn't know her terminally ill, usually hospital-bound husband suddenly rushed out of the hospital.
>>4155837this but noelle the knight can't be rudy, a man with a broken ass is a man with no aura
>>4155761>Has the corporate thing where a badass in armor has to take off their helmet and look ridiculous purely for character memorabilityLook whoever the Knight is, if they're joining my party the helmet stays on
>>4155839Rudy can his magical knight power at night. Unless Carol sits by his side 24/7 (she doesn't) he can easily sneak out when it gets dark.
>>4155793It's really weird that it's canon they hear the background musicIs the Light World music canon too? That rather than hearing nothing more than wind and birds, they hear https://youtu.be/VeGViCNXLh8Honestly I'm inclined to believe so since it seems like all of Deltarune is supposed to be a game based off how the Weird Route is going
>>4155844iirc Ralsei hears the songs (probably Kris too), Susie doesn't. She thinks he's just humming a random song in ch4 but in reality that's the area theme.
>>4155844>>4155846ralsei also gets nervous when susie implies she could hear the song before she reveals she just heard ralsei humming, so it's safe to assume most characters can't hear it (but likely all darkners can)
>>4155846>>4155847So does Susie just think Ralsei's schizo or something if he's hallucinating music?
>>4155837But shitter told me that the only knight evidence you ever need is being a woman so if you think it's anyone than dess then you are a chud
>>4155848Toby just forgor to add a variant if you never did any previous secret boss just like how they insist you flirt with every enemy to ruin your date with the transmagical girl
>>4155785Which is funny since this isn't really the way Undertale or Deltarune break the 4th wall. They instead have game mechanics be diegetic. Having the characters walk along the sprite sheet would be completely out of character for Deltarune.
>>4155837It's another Flowey situation, you'll literally never be able to guess how Knight came to be no matter who they are because the impossible-to-predict details are still being withheld for a bombshell reveal in Chapter 7, and Knight's motives are probably tucked away in 7B just like how Flowey's spiral from "sweet boy in a shit situation" to "detached psycho" was tucked away in Genocide.
>>4155854You keep repeating this but that only applies if the Knight is some bullshit like Papyrus. At this point at least someone got a close enough to correct theoryThe comparisons to Undertale's Flowey mystery are misplaced, where the game doesn't raise the question of who Flowey is as a mystery, and the game is short enough to reveal the supernatural nature of Flowey before you were left wondering for too long anyway
I thought the fact that Ralsei mentioning Jevil's bird even if you never fought him was bad but I found out that even if you never go to the Mikes' room (which most people wouldn't), they still show up out of nowhere and start whining about the Battat motif which apparently confused a lot of casual people
>>4155866Also if I had to guess that's why you can only fight them if you've never hurt a fly, because the Mikes might not be in Castle Town if you've fought enemies and Toby couldn't be bothered to make a variation of the fight where they don't show up
>>4155866Wait, really? What the fuck? For a game following "93 Endings" Undertale, this is pretty crappy.
>>4155869One ending.
Poor matpat. He knew the truth, but didn't have the language to express it at the time. Maybe that's why Toby hates Matthew Patrick, because he was this close to predicting something or anything at all about his ludokino dream game
>>4155871Incompetent writers that get praise they don't deserve, because the deltarune fanbase strives for less.
>>4155871One...ending?
>>4155791Flowey unironically doesn't actually break the 4th wall. A lot of what he says are just allegories or towards Chara.
>>4155880
>>4155800Femkris is niche, literally every other interpretation is mainstream.
>>4155823Well, the original guy who made it had Noelle and Kris be used up and you go to the Vessel, so he even knows it's pointless.
>>4155827I don't feel raped, I just don't think it's a thing. The weird route is the bad route btw.
>>4155866I think that's wrong, K.Round shows up instead, no?
>>4155881Thank you Flowery but I don't see what that has to do with my post.
>>4155887This line doesn't make any sense at all for the normal player since monsters don't appear at the lakeside beach area.
>>4155841Just like how Susie's eyes stay hidden. And how Ralsei's hat stays on. Oh wait...
>>4155893Susie's eyes do stay hidden in a lot of her battle sprites.
>>4155885But the sword exists and you skip ch5 crystal, and i really doubt you will go back to fight Pink or even go castletown period in 7b, unless the sword is a meme weapon to fuck with people
>>4155874Matpat correctly saw that Undertale was just a knockoff of Earthbound, and that his success was due to its Christian themes, yet we are supposed to be siding with Toby?
>>4155869That's what we kept telling you guys. 5 was crappy and probably outsourced. And instead of using the patches to fix the dialogue making it conditional, the "devs" (trannies are not human) doubled down on their crappy RNG bomb fight by insulting the player for not wanting to play their kusoge.
>>4155896>and that his success was due to its Christian themesWat.
>>4155894Which is weird since there's unused content in chapter 2 for all of her battle sprites having her eyes be visibleI won't complain though>>41558995 was so obviously ghostwritten I don't know why people try to act like it wasn't
>>4155900He gave a copy of UT to the pope, which Toby criticized because he needs to please his tumblr friends and denounce Christianity as the supposedly gay-hating religion it is not.
>>4155855With the fact we still know nothing about anything except for the fact Kris REALLY wants to kill himself, it's becoming clear every reveal is Flowey-tier bullshit, or it would've been told to us sooner than "during the Lederdump Extravaganza of Chapter 7 (with reservations for 7B)."
>>4155866Toby works in mysterious ways because he also did this ultra specific thing you need to do in multiple chapters to get one item
>>4155904Isnt that confirming Kris is Chara?
>>4155866>Never fought Jevil>Susie somehow learns Scythemareit's a real fucking mystery.
https://youtu.be/FWb5XnzZ38cMaddie is gonna fucking die in 7B
>>4155907Honestly if they wanted to annoy Chapter 1 fans they could not have done better. Makes you wonder if it's on purpose and why.
>>4155899>>4155901>Evil ghostwriter devs cope
>>4155890There's no beaches in the Dark World, Flowery is just joking here.
>>4155905More like confirmation that Kris is a fucking brocon in denial.
>>4155905You mean Kris love for chocolate like Chara? maybe, it's a popular theory that Kris is dr chara but we won't know until later
>>4155905Yep. Aqua is Kris who is Chara. It all loops back to knife loli
>>4155905This basically confirms Kris has or had a crush on her brother. Makes me think whatever happened to Dess was originally some plan of Kris's that spiraled out of control and ended terribly for her.
>>4155911anon, explain to me how the fuck he went fishing with Asgore if beaches don't exist over there
>>4155908Good.
>>4155908Maddie accidentally becoming one with the Mew doll just to get one-shot for the second time lmao
>>4155915>Noelle has a crush on Susie and Susie's tea heals her for 400 HP>Asriel old chocolate heals Kris for 400 HPIt is pretty sus ngl
>>4155920The contrast, as you could imagine, implies that Noelle is a siscon.
Why isn't Spamton Mettaton....Why is this game half-made...Why is it half-original, half-retell...I'm going crazy
>>4155922I mean, that sounds very in brand for Noelle.
>>4155919> "I'll gut you and rip out your spine! I'll kill you! I'LL KILL YOU! You're dead! Dead! DEAD! DEAD!! FUCKING DEAD!! I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU.">Accidentaly fuses with Mew>"Erm actually why don't we all just ignore this and go outside today <3?"
>>4155912tori always loved psuedo incest...
toby herepls stop digging about my incest fetish, i even made sure to clarify ralsei is nothing like asrielthanks
>>4155912>in denialLmao
Asriel should impregnate Kris and continue the Dreemurr bloodline.
>>4155930ralsei should impregnate kris to continue the royal line
>>4155928Toby what exactly is the relationship between you and your foster brother and why is his RPG maker self-insert your love interest in your game
>>4155931Both things should happen actually.
>>4155931...I'm not sure darkners and lightners are compatible in that way.
Deltarune really is a cheap soap opera for teens>lil Kris has a crush on Asriel and maybe on lil Noelle>Asriel has a crush on Dess>Dess has a crush on Asriel>lil Noelle has a crush on lil Kris and maybe Dess>teen Kris has a crush on both Susie and Noelle>teen Noelle has a crush on Susie and maybe on Kris>Susie has a crush on Noelle>Berdly has a crush on Noelle, Susie and Kris>Ralsei has a crush on Kris>SOUL has a crush on Kris
>>4155935then there must be some experiments until we knowi propose we put kris and ralsei in the room that doesn't open until they have sex
>>4155936>teensall teenagers who played ch1 back when it first came out are all in their 20's now, unless they were sub 13 at the time
>>4154911>sneak peak>anniversasyYou guys wanna bet Toby will put gags about sjelter codes and dield?
>>4155936Replace the characters with Mexican actors and renamne Asriel and Dess to Señor Arisel and Dessmeralda and this would've made trillions in the early 2000s. Boomers would've loved DR too.
>>4155938We liked it or not Deltarune is rated T for teenTime flies, but a rock will always remain a rock
>>4155938For ch1 bros maybe, but also ch3+4 and 5 brought in a lot of new fans, most likely teenagers, that also never touched undertale
>>4155938His point is it's a telenovela.So its audience is teens and brown people.
>>4155944delta/v/une in 2035 will save us...
>>4155941Yet another reason why the episodic format was a mistake, Toby really should have just released the game when it was finished.
>>4155917... I forgot about that lake. Oops.
>>4155950Or maybe he should have not put in minigames that requires him a whole team to code...
>>4155928That was Kris coping and seething, Noelle says otherwise.
>>4155936Teen Kris having a crush on Noelle is headcanon.
>>4155942>that also never touched undertaleThis is the part. Kill newfags.
This game is going to suck so bad if aborted is not a thing. The Fun Gang is neither fun nor a gang, and Kris is a little bitch for protesting when we do everything in our power to get him Noelle. I can't see how Normal Route can be interesting with that wokeslop setup and the inevitable roaring that will be stopped by the power of friendship in the lamest unoriginal Marvel way possible... anyway I'm not too hopeful.
>>4155956*worst part
>>4155956they're mostly esl's even if they did play it their inability to read would cause them to create the worst takes possible
>>4155961You mean, like the guy who thinks Undertale's message isn't pacifist?
>>4155962They attacked me first
>>4155953I agree, no arguments from me, add that to the list.
>>4155965Yeah but they are monsters, not bigots, they're different from the Floweys out there.
>>4155955Kris's broken dream is being together with Noelle, yes. And this implies Kris has already given up on trying to pursue a romance with Noelle, also yes. But that doesn't mean Kris still doesn't love her. We know Kris cares about her, just not how much yet.
>>4155968Undyne wanted to rip off my head clean, and when i fought her just like she wanted, she meltedwoah dud how i was supposed to know i need to press the run button
>>4155958Worry not broskie, after you give Seam the last crystal, he will tell you to come back tomorrow so you have to wonder for another 2 years if aborted wr will be a thing
>>415597010/10 Masterpiece - IGNGamefaqs GOTY everyoneThe OOT Water Temple Key? Awful.Undyne Run Button? A subversive masterpiece.
>>4155971What if Noelle is never again in a Dark World?
>>4155958Why would Side B going to suck then? I guess it would only suck if you're in it for Kriselle only
>>4155974I mean I am not worried about Kriselle not having scenes, I am worried about Kris not dying, not being used up like he was teased he would be in Mantle. Because the dude is a little bitch that stops us from doing anything edgy and also where the fuck is our vessel?
>>4155975>Where the fuck is our VesselProbably the depths or stuff like that
>>4155975>and also where the fuck is our vessel?In the goner maker, right where you left it, where else would it be?
>>4155978I dunno maybe Gaster pushed it somewhere else you can't never know
>>4155958I think its funny how at this point none of the main characters are worth rooting for since they're all colossal retards that actively work against you or even their own interests. We don't even have a clear goal to strive for beyond the vague objective of saving the world somehow so really, what the fuck is the point?
>>4155981It's a sequel to a good game, that's the only reason we are still invested
The festival king/queen is reserved for romantic couples. Kris and Noelle wanted it. However, both Kris and Noelle wanted to be queen. From this the logical conclusion is that Kris and Noelle are a lesbian couple.Debunk this.
>>4155983erm kris is non binary chuddy, kris can only be a thing or a theen
>>4155983I can't since I agree. Still, between Kris having a crush on her big brother and that weird moment where they blush holding one of Berdly's feathers, I'm pretty sure Kris is a bislut.
>>4155983>both Kris and Noelle wanted to be queenI'm so tired of this retarded argument. Kris was arguing with Noelle about the role just to annoy her. He likes to tease her. He literally does the exact same thing in Chapter 2, and Noelle says he did that a bunch of times when they were kids.
>>4155902>which Toby criticizedsauce? because the only time I can think of Toby publicly criticizing matpat was about that one time where he used UT in the thumbnail of one of his videos to promote a completely unrelated indie game he was streaming, Tobyy basically calling out the obvious clickbait
>>4155983I agree with >>4155987 since it feels in-character, but Kris and Noelle are still in lesbians because of other evidence (lesbian Noelle and femKris) and themes (Kris and Noelle trying to copy the straight adults and wanting to win at and failing in the King and Queen competition paralleling Susie and Noelle's moment at the lake that's straight out of a cheesy hetero romcom)
>>4155989>Kris and Noelle are still in lesbiansI'm just going to ignore you. All yurifags are mentally ill.
>>4155988I may have a case of remembering a tweet wrong then.
I wonder if it's intentional that when you mix the hex codes for the red and cyan souls it makes a perfect, neutral gray
>>4155924Susie is Dess's creation Susie is Dess's creation...Suselle is not romantic love, it's sisterly love, it explains everything
>>4155993Yeah Toby Fox invented colors
>the final battle is over>Kris, Susie, and Noelle survive and save both worlds>Susie and Noelle break up and decide to remain friends>both Susie and Noelle are implied to have feelings for Kris>Kris is about to speak for the first time, but then Asriel appears>"Hello there, little missy, did you miss me?">Kris and Asriel start French kissing in front of Susie and Noelle>Toriel and Asgore clap>ERAM and Dess clap>Noelle tears up and reluctantly claps>Susie just walks away>The End>a photo of Toby appears and below it says "Thank you for watching my dream">credits rollYou liek it?
>>4155995Yeah sure retard, that's definitely what I meant
>>4155998He also invented me raping your ass.
>>4155997As an ending of side A, that would be pretty funny. And just after the credit rolls, whoever is the second voice of the survey (Noelle) berates you for such a silly outcome.
>>4156000If you shit very hard you can push out the penis preventing the rape to happen.
>>4155997That would be the ultimate subversionWould Toby be subversive enough?
>>4155961That and moralfags. That's why the current Deltarune fandom is worse than Undertale's.
>>4155969>Kris's broken dream is being together with NoelleHeadcanon.
>>4156002But what if I proceed?
>>4155983Yes, kid Kris had a crush on Noelle. Not current Kris though.
>>4155991>>4155902Definitely a case of me remembering wronghttps://nitter.gq/tobyfox/status/750443785889411072#mCan you guys believe it's been ten fucking years?
>>4155993The Switch Soul in Undertale is also red and cyan.
>>4155997Yes. Hire this man, Toby.
>>4156010No way Maddie is the vessel wtf!!!!
>>4156005>When a strong attachment is formed... when a dream is gripped tightly... and then broken off. These... are the shards that remain. "Failed dreams"...>You held the crystal up to your eye. For some strange reason, for just a brief moment... It looked like everyone else disappeared and you saw Noelle smiling at you, with arms full of flowers ...but, it must've just been your imagination.
>>4155982I'm notThe stunt with the shelter codes and how everyone defends it is ubforgivable
>>4156014Just ignore him. It's all just headcanon for him. He's even ignoring the fact that Kris and Noelle played the King and Queen game when they were kids. This game is basically designed for couples.
I guess CoL's deepest fantasy is jerking off to Lavos
The boys
>>4156013Maddie is the Chara part of the red (pink) flower
>>4156014Yes, they're broken dreams of others, not Kris's in particular.
Day 526 of waiting for Eram to save this game
>>4156025No, it's jerking off to beating Lavos, because he did the biggest good thing the game offers before it even asked him to do it, automatically completing all objectives. It is the ultimate victory for him.
>>4156037Ahh, that dream of looking through your hand was from Catti's dad povCattenheimer Knight
>>4156041Nope. Susie. She's also gonna lose an arm. Can't even let Kris have his own character struggle, she's gotta get in on it too.
>>4156042>Kris, this betrayal and causing the roaring>It can't just be you and Knight's thing anymore
>>4156009>culture warrior is retardedNobody could have seen this coming.
>>4156044DRAGONsie...
>>4156037No, you fucking retard.>You thought you saw your mother holding someone else [Near Toriel]>YOUR MOTHER>You thought you saw your television being smashed to bits. [TV World]>YOUR TELEVISION>You thought you saw Noelle close against you, whispering.>CLOSE AGAINST YOUThese are all Kris, and you are dumb.
>>4156048That's Asriel dummy, yeah for some reason Noelle is whispering to him but small details
>>4156046Toby declared a culture war first
>>4156052>inb4 Asriel groomed Noelle just like Dess did with Kris
>>4156054nah, asriel was the clueless older brother who was oblivious to his girlfriend's more nefarious activities (pure unsupervised /ll/ with kris and noelle)
>>4156054He was promised a government mandated doe girlfriend and he's taking the spare one
>>4156037Ah, so Asgore or Irritable Ghost holds secret romantic feelings for Noelle?
What is the the hand-loss symbolism foreshadowing? What situation would cause that?
>>4156057(prefer noelle)
>>4156058>Freemasonry interprets body part loss primarily through the legend of Hiram Abif, where the loss of the "Lost Word" symbolizes the loss of spiritual truth and the death of the lower self. The sprig of acacia found at the symbolic grave represents the immortality of the soul, which survives the physical body's decay.
>>4156059And someone, of course, somehow has a broken dream related to seeing the Unused Classroom, someone else somehow has a broken dream related to seeing the Computer Lab, so on and so forth.
>>4156058Either Susie or Noelle will harm Kris in the near future. For some reason Kris is planning to commit suicide with the golden seeds, and I doubt it's out of cowardice. Kris must have a plan. So for them to cut off their own hand makes no sense. Someone else has to do it.Susie might bite Kris's hand off out of anger during a fight after realizing Kris has been lying to her and working for who she thinks is the villain trying to bring the Roaring.Noelle... dunno. Maybe out of spite? She is the Angel, so we're going to fight her. Maybe she takes one of Kris's hands so they can never play piano again.
>>4156041>>4156048>>4156057The crystal in question was made by Alvin's or Maddie's broken dreams (Gerson or Pink). That's a fact.
>>4156065perhaps the crystal shards are generally created by whomever created the fountainlogically that would mean the ch1, 2, and 4 crystals would be created by the knight, while the 3 and 5 ones by kris
>>4156064Maybe he only took enough of the seeds to fall unconscious and fake death because he needs to fool Gaster or the knight or whoever the fuck to make them think that he's dead and then he can do stuff off camera once big WD stops watching him. Maybe that's when you get to play as the vessel.
>>4156065Yeah, so? That doesn't explain why all the visions are related to Kris. Maybe whoever looks into the Shadow Crystals just sees their own broken dreams.
The answer is that the crystal visions don't mean anything. They're just extra details to create an eerie atmosphere. They don't follow hard rules.
>>4156070Maybe so, but those visions are still from Kris, so the other anon was wrong and he a dumb, the end.
"oh, that horrible day Kris...""That thing with the people in it..""The guy, with the guy, and the thing""The events that transpired... With those people*Why does asgore talk like he's under omerta? Can't anyone be normal in this game?
>>4156072Toby is a shitty writer.
>>4155724that one deltarune theory that talks about radiation and goes in depth into the town's sewer system is the only one that actually checks out. It was by some dude who's avatar is a cat person.
>>4155724>>4156075https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySoErAxX4Q8this one
People are forgetting that the crystals visions shows Susie being mad at the person in the crystal multiple timesThe main person that was her target for bullying was Kris before ch1Who else could it beMonster KidOr you know, this could be just an alternative reality where Kris and Noelle never drifted while Susie was watching them in the chair
>>4156077isn't that explicitly what the crystal in ch5 portrays?
>>4156072I don't wanna be like that one anon but the answer is that Asgore, or anyone else for that matter, talking normally would result in giving you information that Toby considers too early to be revealed.
>>4156075I remember watching this earlier and thinking, "yeah, Toby fox DID take environmental sciences." This and the scripture theory that schizoes out about artemisia and the Antichrist are both hidden gems
>>4156076That's Merrimack River Pollution theory
>>4156080The catboy is annoying thoughThe better nu-schizo theorist is weresdrim
>>4156078Kinda, but Kris not recognizing the person Toriel is holding is still weird, he could just say it was Sans but nope
>>4156084Now that i think about it, Kris wonders where the fuck is the og person running the ferris wheel because Sans wasn't there before obviously, he's new in townMaybe that was the person Toriel is holding
>>4156080>the scripture theory that schizoes out about artemisia and the Antichrist are both hidden gemsGot a link for it?
>>4156085wild how toriel always ends up being a whore one way or another...
>>4156076>"this map directly corresponds to Hometown!">it doesn'tEvery single time with these theories.
>>4156080didn't carol also cancel school because of a little rain and she has an entire fridge just dedicated to bottled water. This theory just werks.
>>4156086https://youtu.be/hydXHQchAJA?si=ofzb1oK-1VOwwRfN
>>4156090Thank you.
Brot that catboy manhole theory is utter nonsense. *This* is what you consider top-tier theorycrafting? Jesus Christ.
>>4156090>1:38:14Jesus...
>>4156090this isnt what i think it is, right?
>>4156088Unlike the other cases, sewer map being different is not really an issue. It's underground, after all. The only issue is that it is does not reach some houses, when it should.
>>4156090>some anon: lmao this is some mickey mouse bullshit>Toby: *sweating*
>>4156104Septic tank theory
>>4156103>who will be left to assume the role of the ANGEL if love has come to the girl...?I don't get it.
>>4156107I think the idea is the ANGEL has to be outside of being the GIRL, the CAGE and the PRINCE.At least, that's what is implied.
>>4156090Once again reminding all of you faggots that everything past the ?si= part of a YT url is used for tracking and that you should really delete that shit before posting a link.
>>4156104The entire video is based on "evidence" like that don't actually fit and feel like a reach. If the proof is so poor I would rather he not mention evidence at all (like most Deltarune theories).
>>4156090This theory believes in transei because ralsei is lucifer and being trans is a cool and based way of defying god btw
>>4156090I'm a couple minutes in, pretty fun so far, but like all Deltarune theories, they kinda miss the fact that in Toby's mind, many influences collide. A global theory of Deltarune would have to consider all of these, and I don't think anyone would want that. Some mysteries are better left unsolved.
Nuclear theory would be kino because then we’d get some Shin Megami Tensei ass shit going down
retards calling toby misogynistic are retarded but they converged into my old take about how toby didn't create many relevant darkner femaleswe got>queen being a major boss>elnina being a important-ish side character>aqua and orange (plus green and seth because they are pretty much females) but they all have to share limited screen time>pink but she is mostly a returning lightner from UT and the darkner side barely does anything and wasn't an actual new character>chapters 1 and 4 have none (clover isn't relevant)
>>4156128>retards calling toby misogynistichuh?
>>4156130yeah this. what reddit thread has that guy been reading?
>>4156128toby isn't misogonystic, he just hates femininity if a woman is masculine he treats them like they can do no wrong
>>4156130xitter fags started claiming he was seething over pluey losing the vote, and that snowballed into toby being a misogynist because he disregards his female charactersi told you it was retarded but oh well
>>4156132Counterpoint: Chara
>>4156133You reap what you sow. He should've known that lefties love their purity arguments before he catered to them. It will be funny if he gets Trotsky'd before ch7 though.
>>4156135by this point I believe he will have burned all his accumulated good will by chapter 7 and they will finally pile up on him, all past controversies at once
>>4156134toby doesn't even see chara as a persononly a chocolat to be hidden away from everyone else
>>4156135that's why he fled to japan
I can't wait for Angel boss battle in ch7
>>4156122Can that even be called a theory? If taken literally, it's schizo ramble, if taken as an allegory, it's just "cool story, bro".
>>4156133i said he was seething about queen winning because it's funny to imagine toby's industry plant losing also the mikes don't do anything for me, they're only above sc&c tier due to having slightly better music
>>4156128>>chapters 1 and 4Mizzles and Miss Mizzle.
>>4156141Doing that didn't save Trostky.
>>4156145>chapter 1>MizzlesA-anon?????
>>4156147who is stalin in this scenario?is hussie lenin?
>>4156040And? So what? I still consider it one of the coolest things a video game has done, being able to beat a final boss at any time once the path is available and the ending changing depending on how far along in the regular story you are. Deltarune had every opportunity to try something like this, and instead it decided to relegate all of its progress to the tail-end of the game instead.
>>4156149He's playing New Game +.
>>4152875It's just an effect of analog video transfer. Gaster uses coaxial cable for his CRT monitor
posting my fairly insane theory that Susie is Dess, or that the darkner of the purple dragon killed dess and took her soul to become Susie, capable of living in the light world>'how to draw dragons' never formed as a darkner in chapter 3>tracing of a purple dragon under dess's bed>7 years overdue book dates to first known fountain made and dess's dissappearance>no parents that we know of>the fact that most of the secret bosses have origins in the merging of darkners with lighters in various forms>spamton tried to kill kris and take his soul, he thought this would take him to [heaven], is that his word for 'light world'?>made a weird joke about secret identities>her theme is a guitar + has s_neo as filename>ch.1 susie's description 'LV1 Dark Knight Does damage using dark energy.'>susie and dess are both punk girls at heart>susie once says 'it's like when your sister gets cursed in dragon blazers 2' if we apply the susie is dess theory to this statement, she is talking here about herself as dess and noelle gets cursed (and we know noelle played this game)>band instrument is drums, and we see drums in dess’s wardrobe>susie wears shoes which is unique for a lightner, piles of shoes in dess's room>numerous references to susie being purple, a dragon, and both combined>catti is wary of her for reasons never explained>toby's twitter teased a variant of 'lost girl' with susie's leitmotif>the weird shit sans says as he’s handing out ice cream>there's no way dess is alive as a lightner stuck in a dark world since we're told food doesnt sustain lightners in the dark worlds
>>4156161It would make Suselle very icky and Tobert (read: the Board) can't afford to piss off the fandom.
>>4156163I mean, it's not like they've kissed or anythingand it would give an actual reason for the pair of them to actually like each other without really knowing why, instead of, whatever we currently have
>>4156164But the love wouldn't be romantic. Without the lust subtext, what's the point of Suselle?
>>4156165idk nigga, im not here to make up the whole ending to the game
>>4156166You're supposed to cry about how Toby is raping you and how shit the future chapters are.
>>4156151Deltarune never looked like it was going to do that and marking it down for failing to do that is insanity.
>>4156161>toby's twitter teased a variant of 'lost girl' with susie's leitmotifHold on, what? When? Was it the version with the "thank you" soft subs on it?
>>4156168It did in his mind.Just like Toby personally broke into his home, raped him and recorded it.
>>4156168I mark it down because the game punished me for trying to do what it was pointing me in the direction of doing, forced me into the opposite direction without accomplishingnwhat I needed to do, and getting my hopes up with the chance of being able to try again, only to do the exact same thing the next year, and being forced to sit with this unsatisfied feeling with no chance of letting up for another yearEnlighten me, when are things in the game actually supposed to let up, if you insist this isn't supposed to keep happening.
>>4156171If you didn't accomplish what you needed to in order to move on, you wouldn't be going into chapter six out of seven.You're already doing what the game wants you to.
>>4156173By that logic it could be just a straight line full of nothing and get the same result
>>4156174Yes. Lots of games are just this when you strip back the plot they dress up in.
>>4156161Susie had a life before Hometown, tho. She never mentions any weird amnesia.
>>4156163Trillion Kralsei scenes (Ralsei looks like Asriel's twin) + Queen incest jokes say otherwise
>>4156176I don't think games should be like that. I do t like deltaruune being like that with nothing in the game actually mattering because it just makes itself happenIt's not my idea of an epic adventure
>>4156179All games are that if you ignore enough of the plot.
>>4156178Nuh uh, Ralsei is very different from Kris as per fridge conversation
>>4156181Modt games I play don't have the plot telling me to go one way and get something, only to shove me into the other direction without getting the thing, while still pretending I can get said thingThat is the plot of deltarune, and I don't like it
>>4156182Debunked by Asgore, Ralsei does not look like generic Dreemurr clan member or Asriel's brother, he specifically looks like uncanny valley version of Asriel. Asgore's line would have been different otherwise.
>>4156187>Debunked by AsgoreImpossible. The Vaguepost King would NEVER reveal anything to us.
>>4156187Bro to him Ralsei doesn't even look like a monster.
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>>4156200How long now? Not long nough to justify the time wasted. 30 minutes dies not justify 8+ years
>>4154922>queen
>>4156205This is why the Vessel won't be yours period, just like Ralsei the WAIT is diegetic to its existence, so from its perspective it'll have had over 10 years to grow and develop into its own person while it was away from you, waiting for when you could finally come get it. But it's been so long, it finds you a total stranger, it doesn't feel comfortable letting you control it, it's learned and cherished independence in those many years.Letting go of your dream to ever have the vessel, too, is an aspect of Deltarune's themes of letting go of the past so you can move on and focus on making a brighter future.
>>4156208The Vessel already had it's own mind back in 2018
>>4156209Yeah, but it was a blank slate, perfectly set to be taken as your avatar, to grow and develop based on what it learned from your actions and decisions.Instead, it gets to have 10+ years of freedom, to know what true independence is like. It's not gonna let that go, not in the game where everyone else is puppets on strings, even if it fails to understand it too, by being left to "its own" agency, is simply left to the predetermined path granted to it by Toby/Gaster.
>>4156211I feel like they will gladly join back with you, especially on Side B. They were still born to be your Vessel after all
>>4156212That's too obvious though. It'll be subverted, because waiting 10+ years to use "Kris but faceless and grey" for 30 minutes is stupid.
>>4156213>SubvertedStop being so raped
>>4156214Any day now, Toriel will remember that the cops never came to check in on her after she called about her slashed tires.Any day now, Hometown at large will discuss how worrying it is that Undyne, and now Asgore, are completely missing, rather than everyone keeping quiet and to themselves about the absence.Any day now, Susie will remember she's allowed to ask questions about important stuff as of Chapter 4 so that we, the audience, can learn more about this world, its characters and its logic, through Susie, our audience surrogate.
>>4152827>the stars are actually starsDid this need to be said
Chapter 6 is going to be the ending btw.
>>4156216Raped™
>>4156220Cool, can't wait for Toriel to STILL not care even during the Chapter 7 epilogue because Toby genuinely forgot about that plot point and it's too late to course correct it.
>>4156208>>4156211See, I don't think this is cool. I don't exactly appreciate being told that wanting to have a character to play as in a role-playing game(that was advertised as a role-playing game) is immoral.
>>4156223Nobody said it was immoral. It's just the expectation this specific story has of you.
ERAM stole your vessel and shaped it to look like Kris btwTrust me vros, ERAM will save ch6
>>4156191No shit Sherlock. Why do you think I mentioned uncanny valley?
>>4156230>Vessel>He doesn't know ERAM looks like Child Kris
>>4156111bless you reminderchad
>>4156189He vagueposts about what he really sees though, especially because it's in a room where the Dark Fountain is fucking with perception, when normally Ralsei is NEVER in those rooms.
>>4156234If anything, ERAM speaks as adult/teenager Aqua, still violent but less childish
>>4156238I know but ERAM looking like the person Kris hates the most would be fun for themes and such. Also more loli Kris.
>>4156237rigby suffered the most in regular show desu he deserved to get a W
>>4156230Bro, Eram is Ramb. Their names even sound the same.
>>4156248>Ramb kidnapped himself
>>4156058Friend eating Kris's hand.
>>4156066The crystal in 2 was explicitly created by Mettaton. They're unrelated to the fountain's creator.
>>4156090Give me a td.lr.
>>4156103Doecoomers are fucking retarded.
>>4156134Chara is a loli so he keeps her close to his heart as his precious chocolat
>>4156259Whaaaaaaat? What makes you think that?
>>4156182Kris is literally coping.
>>4156213Nah it's based.
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