Does the singleplayer campaign still hold up after all these years? I just realized I have RoC+TFT discs from more than 15 years ago yet haven't played the game except for a few matches at an internet cafe.
yes .you were missing out. go play it. you wont regret it.
No OP don't play it Blizzard will install vespene gas if you insert the disc into your computer
>>1645314If you love the warcraft lore. It still holds up til this day.
>>1645314its one of if not the best singleplayer rts campaigns ever made, and I don't even give a shit about Warcraft. A shame that it wasn't really copied after its release.
>>1645314byw you can redeem those cdkeys on battlenet yeah you will get reforger (not hd thing since you have to pay for it)
>>1645538>A shame that it wasn't really copied after its release.Spellforce is a pretty shameless ripoff.
>>1645314If there's a RTS campaign worth playing, it's Warcraft III. Even if you're not into the lore, the campaign has great pacing, has a bunch of unique fun levels and the difficulty is nice.
>>1646188>spellforce is essentially warcraft because uh... orcsthese settings and games are so vastly different you successfully baited me into replying. Here's your (you). Couldn't be more different unless spellforce was in space, then it could be even more different.
>>1646511I meant gameplay wise. How many other hero led fantasy RTS are there? There's warlords battlecry, maayyybee TW:W. What else?
>>1646512they're still very different gameplay-wise. Saying all these games are ripping each other off just because there are heroes alongside normal units is absurd reductionism. Spellforce, warlords battlecry, warcraft, even TWW are all very different games with very different mechanics that happen to have hero units and fantasy settings.I fucking wish someone ripped any of these good games off in current year. I wish even half the ambition and scope was attempted
>>1646512Battle Realms
>>1646519Spellforce 3 is a thing.
>>1645743thanks sir, i redeemed
>>1645314Warcraft 3 campaign are gold, really fun to play in hard with the greatest ending I ever saw in a rts campaign, Frozen Throne campaigns are good too but RoC are superb
Thoughts on this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=420SUSIuU3c&ab_channel=LoreCraftDesignsQuite a lot of traction for a 20+ year old RTS game.
>>1645314Play this game NOW. Fantasy, RTS games, media as a whole peaked with this game
I DO NOT LIKE ELFS
>>1650515This.
Why did WC3 die but AoE2/SC2 survived?
>>1654362Reforged killed it.
>>1654362it was alive until reforged killed it. they even fucked up the multiplayer by removing the already existing ladder and waiting 2 years to replace it with a barely functioning ladder system
>>1654201what was he doing durning Scourge crisis and Demons invasion on Lordearon? How did Capital City fall?
>>1654925probably positioned to some backwater outpost and thats how he ended up as the highest rank commander left alive
>>1654362Blizzard murdered it.I'm not sure about Sc2.AoE2 and Broodwar had solid life throughout, and then AoE2 got a boost with the HD edition and broodwar got a boost with the remaster.
>>1654362>>1654419Reforged is fine for WC3/TFT vanilla custom games, but the poorly thought-out campaign unification and Reforged graphics suck. It's a mix of people being too stupid to play classic WC3 and Blizzard being stupid.
>>1645314>Does the singleplayer campaign still hold up after all these years?yesDon't play the reforged version.
>>1657430Do custom games still disconnect or is it fine now? I haven't play reforged since it was released.
>>1657527I've played Reforged for the first time last December and I've had no issues with custom games whatsoever. I only use it for custom games, though. If I want to play campaign I do it on another copy of WC3, the last version before Reforged or whatever.
>>1645538THE singularely best single player campagne in any game ever and thats not even controversial.
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>>1660307kek
>>1654925He's literally a Bandit Lord who got into the military because Humans were so desperate.
>>1661046His father was a noble though
>>1660307
>>1660307illidan is out there, somewhere....
>>1660307why the akatsuki cloak doe
>>1654362they killed the game
>>1662643Because it looks like Maiev's cloak
>>1654362The real answer is WoW.
>>1662643>Kisame, we are leaving
Holy fuck what a sweaty game. Just got finished with 2v2 thinking id shake off some rust with a friend and all 8 games exactly the same; demon hunter > siren harass by mana spam and picking off units 1 by 1 if hero gets low tp, if unit gets low tp. Its just fucking gay to be playing lowest bracket and you can literally smell 40 year old autism through the screen.
>>1671220This happens in every game when the meta is solved and most of the casual players leave. It's the rts equivelant of an old shooter game where everyone left is either really good or cheating.
>>1646512Battle Mages, Battle Realms, Battle for the Middle-Earth, both Dawn of Wars (space fantasy in practice), Rise of Legends, Stronghold Legends
>>1671220focus fire the dh, use multiple cc abilities spaced out (hex stun net consistent slow surrounds burst) etcnelf army thrives from skirmishing and doesnt have a truly solid frontliner outside a dh/pit lord till bears come out; and even bears arent a really solid tank though they do have good utility since they are also casters
>>1645314do you guys take goblin shredders with orcs/humans/undead?I try to take one early if possible with orcs at the very least. Understandably the other two have a bit less of a need (even though they are more wood heavy overall I think)
>>1660307me in the back
>>1645314broke: Play Warcraft IIIWoke: Play Warcraft II
>>1645314Did they unfuck the vanilla version?
>>1657430>>poorly thought-out campaign unificationFor classic WC3? Or reforge changes something? Would of liked another human campaign with jianas fleeing to Kalimdor
>>1654362It was having somewhat of a resurgence before Reforge came out
>>1678700Reforged changes the vanilla WC3 campaign to use all of TFT's mechanics, which fucks up some missions, some are too easy, some are too hard.
>>1645314Yes. I've played the RoC campaign for the firs time this week. It plays nice, some very small difficulty spikes here and there but overall it was a very enjoyable experience. There are some stuff I didn't like that much though:Human, orcs and night elves all have similar story development. There's always the less reasonable voiced main character that does a very unreasonable thing and is now corrupted by demonic powers. Arthas was already poorly handled scenaristically, basically doing a Anakin where he goes from vengeful and stupid paladin to fully evil Darth Vader in the undead campaign, with most of his character development offscreened in four lines of text. The trope becomes stale by the end of the Illdan chapter (which is hilarious, Tyrande releases him, and he instantly fucks it up).Friendly unit collisions. I can understand body blocking enemies but watching as my 10-men army die because of trafic congestion really annoyed me. It's just terrible and bring nothing to the gameplay. Either keep it and make every map more open (though it will still probably happen even then) or just turn on soft collisions for allies.Since Starcraft 2 has it, I guess it was an engine limitation.
>>1654925>>1657125incorrect. He was some noble sent from Storwind to oversee to alliance matters in the region. he was not a native of lordearon.
>>1680470Yeah, Warcraft is shit.
>>1680470>but watching as my 10-men army die because of trafic congestion really annoyed me. It's just terrible and bring nothing to the gameplay. Either keep it and make every map more open (though it will still probably happen even then) or just turn on soft collisions for allies.Good god, no.Unit collisions are great and fundamental to the game. Removing them would also fuck up 90% of the custom maps.
>>1681117>fundamental to the gameI struggle to see why. "Muh positioning" is dumb when units getting evaporated is enough of a punition. Ah yes let me fiddle with my army one unit at a time so the hero can access an item. Ah yes, I love losing fights because my hero cannot access the frontline because a support unit 3 times its size is stuck in melee. I'm not saying it should be gone entirely, just made more forgiving for the player's own units. This is probably one of the only thing SC2 handled better. You can still get screwed by bad positioning but it doesn't feel like a chore to play.
>>1645538>its one of if not the best singleplayer rts campaigns ever madeI'd agree with this if Wings of Liberty didn't exist
>>1680183>TFT's mechanicsHaven't played in 10 years, what are you referring to ?
>>1660307Based
>>1645314is there ANYONE here or elsewhere who enjoys the current iteration of the game? Does everyone just play bootleg versions of the old game?
>>1681117>>1681571While I wish Wc3 had more "Stick in this formation you sons and daughters of bitches" mechanics, The collision and positioning is pretty fundamental to WC3, both in the skirmish maps, as well as custom campaigns. Everything was designed with it in mind, even though it dforces focus on having fewer well positioned troops, more than I'd like.>>1683490>>1670236
>While I wish Wc3 had more "Stick in this formation you sons and daughters of bitches" mechanics, The collision and positioning is pretty fundamental to WC3. Everything was designed with it in mind,I still don't see how and why (at least in vanilla). You just keep repeating "trust me, unfathomably annoying ally bodyblocking is vital to the game". Could you provide actual examples ?
It's just part of how the ranged/melee units, as well as auras and aoe are balanced, I can't explain it to you if you don't play the game. It annoys you, but it's just as different as not having active pause. It would be a different game, maybe one you'd like, but not Warcraft 3
>>1683770>I can't explain it to you if you don't play the gameI finished the RoC campaigns and am almost done with the TFT elves campaign. Even with taking melee/ranged and support games I don't see why allied units couldn't have softer collisions, with which you could still get bodyblocked to some extent but not outright causing trafic congestion.
>>1683813the game is what it is man. sc2 has far better collision mechanics for example but it was created with that in mind. body blocking and abusing creep/pathing ai in general is part of the hidden mechanics of the game
>>1684075>Still no arguments or examples providedYou could just admit you don't have a clue and prefer it that way because you never thought about how it could be otherwise
>>1684089NTA but many things have splash/aoe damage, and a good part of it doesn't discriminate between friend or foe. It would all be busted against clumped up enemies and feel terrible when you can easily do so much damage to your own stacked up troops.
>>1683712when you get better, your army and you ally army "become one" in your mind. At the start of the game, every player usually shares control, so you can micro his wounded hero back if he fails to do so. That, or just not run in with your hero like a retard if you dont have the means and tankyness to keep him alive.this game is the ultimate filter
>>1645314i tried watching someone else play it with the english voice acting and it sounds so cringe, the actors were casted semi-randomly, i dont believe almost anyone of them, ruzzian one is so much better with the actual soul put in to their work.
>>1645314one the best gaming experiences I've ever had was beating Frozen Throne on max difficulty
>>1683408Changes to the way damage and resistances work.
>>1683490I just play it for the custom games.
Hi FBI, I'm requesting that you ban and oppress this poster>>1685014I'm sick of dumb ESL faggots claiming an originally english production is missing some indescribable "soul" quality when compared to the drunken mumble language they consumed as an impressionable child.Regards, Boris Jonson
>>1685260unironically british acting is superior in every way to the american one
>>1685418hasnt been that way since before marge pissed off the miners up north blimey
>>1645419i will get it now.
There was an online crack of this and Frozen Throne, not reforged, but I lost the link.Anyone have it?
>>1691058rutracker
>>1691058Just download a backup from Hiveforge and register a CD-key. Any will do, they're very easy to find.
Shame You can't play the last Horde campaign connected to every other with the items and shit, like you (sorta) could in the demo. It's not needed, and you're not supposed to, but it's fun when what you do, or share in one campaign has at least token connection to the other. And yet the last missions are just cut off to introduce you to the custom game system, leaving rexxar out to dry.
>>1692723TFT is entirely a setup for WoW's godawful stories.
>>1692728I was talking about the little thing that I liked that made all the campaign feel connected in the moment you are playing them, neither judging nor justifying the lore.Sides that, while Wow steries never were the cream of the crop, the "World" did feel like "Warcraft" early on, like you're actually in the world after the game, before most of the silly business started. Some may love Arthas to Lich King Arc, some may hate it, but it was memorable.>This whole thread must be purged
>>1654419BLOODY FUCKERS WHERE IS THE RAW ZIP WITH THE OG SHIT AN MAPS PROPERLY PACKED???WTF KINDA BOARD IS THIS ANYWAY HUH?LIFE IS SOME KINDA FUCKING JOKE IF WE LET THEM TAKE OG GAMEPLAY AWAY FROM US
WHATAAATATTATATTTTSSSSEEEEERRSSSSSSSSWHASTES OF MY FUCKING ATTENTION JUST FUCKING STEER MORE CLEWR OF THE GHOST ARMADA YEEHAWYAYHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
GIVE ME AN ALDARON
>>1693058Anon, those spoons aren't hard to find, the game was popular for a very long time, there's really no need for you to look for handouts here, even google isn't fucked enough (yet) for you to not find it on second or third page.
>Kel'Thuzad died with literally 00:01 left on the timerAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>1685014sorry but wc 3 has some of the best voice acting ever. you're mentally handicapped
>>1654362AoE2 died and then was revived
>>1698927I agree just not in the english version
>>1698935AoE2 never died because of custom scenarios, and since you have the entire human experience from 400 to 1500 to draw inspiration from, it never really died
>>1645314Yeah
>>1698935it never died, it was kept alive on voobly. Only later someone at M$ noticed the re-sale potential of re-releasing titles
>>1693058i have a zip of warcraft 3 with all the patches before they pozzed the game and added the tranny demon hunter and death knight. 1.29.2 version. here's the upload, the game is pre-installed. just extract to a folder and play.https://easyupload.io/oubcfnthis upload link will only last for 30 days...
>>1710602Dolphin porn
>>1710650Real dolphin porn or just the blow job set on repeat?
>>1710793IACTSN
>>1680758It is still hilarious to me how Blizzard managed to prove Garithos and Admiral Proudmoore right with their shitty writing.
>>1710602>>1710650it is the legit thing, dont make zoomers shit their pants now...
>>1657164>I'm not sure about Sc2.It's doing fine currently. The fact that Blizz is content to basically just leave it alone while keeping the servers up means it's still one of the most-played RTS out there
>>1645314Why no console port? Are dev lazy clown?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugBK8ktL77A
>>1645314It's a good story if you are 13 years old.
>>1680758His father was a Lordaeronian noble ruling the barony of Blackwood.I don't know where you got all this from
>>1654201>act like a retard burning alliances in the face of a complete collapse by endless hordes>allies with an undeadYeah he got what he fuckn deserved.
>>1662164Non canon.
>>1711972what's a good story for an adult, anon? Name the game.
>>1645314I found WC3 and TFT disc for $5 will it work on modern PC's?
>>1714489>barony of Blackwood.and where the fuck is that? dont quote me nu-lore by current year blizzard. thats all fanfiction...
>>1714733Don't trust or reply to that guy, he likes the last of us part 2 and thinks Neil druckmann is a godlike writer.
I've had the 1.29.2 W3 version for a year or so, I replayed the campaign a few months ago and so was thinking about.Anyway, I start it for a cheeky Stratholme defense before bed and I get a fucking windows popup asking permission for Battlenet to access shit.Fucking Blizz glowies spying on my activities.
>>1716112NTA but that sounds more reasonable than being stupid enough to bring up Blizzard's Stormwind retcon. There wasn't even anyone living there before WoW and suddenly it's a super force.
>>1645314OP here, surprised this thread is still up. Finally got through all the campaigns. It was... excellent.
>>1711972That's every video game with an allegedly good story. No serious adult takes video game writing seriously.
>>1710961Sorry I'm a zoomer I just like saying it's dolphin porn unfortunately I came at a time it's never actually dolphin porn
>>1722952Based. I would highly recommend having a look at Abelhawk's videos on youtube about how many secrets are hidden in the campaign, I never realised until I watched them
>>1645314So does anyone else go 10peons only 2 grunts fast tech? I think in maps with a close/quickly clearable goblin lab is very viable. 2 grunts with sh/fs ensures decent creeping, even without needing shop while still teching up quickly enough, following it with mill extra burrows after wards for a few additional grunts and then headhunters.
Am I supposed to think Jaina was doing the right thing in the bonus campaign?
>>1728547You are supposed to keep in mind that Theramore ended up getting nuked by orcs and is now literally an irradiated ruin, while the orcs have the gall the claim that they din do nuffin, it was all the Brown Hitler Orc...
>>1654362It didn't really die, even after reforged, there's still a solid playerbase and esports scene
>thread almost 100 days oldholy shit cant resist postingyeah its still good, you might have to use wayback for patches tho. for some reason i couldnt get my CD games on official bnet/launcher and didnt feel like rebuying them. just replayed them with a lot of fucking fun even all single player.when playing custom comp i cant resist doing stupid shit like building nothing but ranged units and following around my comp teams. watching fucking volleys of arrows/guns/beetles/spears follow up their forces is great. even start doing stupid shit like making small squads of 6 to not get in one anothers waythinkin about starcraft now
>>1654362Reforged. The game crashes so fucking much now it's unreal. No way any normal person would play this shit.
>played through WC3>then played through the custom maps>the last map, frozen throne took fucking 2 hours on 3v3v3v3>feel good after eventually finishing them all>fire up FT>realize some of the story missions kinda drag on and get bored>then find a fucking folder of new custom maps in the FT folder>feel a sense of wonder and excitementpillage is broken as fuck on large maps btw. nothing but grunts and raiders with some shaman fucking around with secondary bases raking in cash
>>1729957>The game crashes so fucking much now it's unreal.You have a third world computer perhaps? Because for my 900$ computer it never crashed even once...
i wish that the campaigns had more missions that gave you access to the full arsenal of your factions. like, theres a progression where you only have access to a few things in the first missions, but by the last mission you have 90% or more. however, you never have EVERYTHING for multiple missions where the scenario or objectives change, and you either need to figure out the best approach or you can just win how you want. progression is cool and all, but let me PLAY with it.
>>1730830One of things that Sc2 WL did well: you had the time to have nearly everything by the last few missions, especially the last 3
>>1730988Drip feeding you units was something it did terribly
>>1735111Maybe we could have gotten a few key units a bit faster, but overall the non linear mission design was good. I strongly disagree about the drop feeding units. Not all missions need to be "just macro up your endgame comp asap"
>>1735319The missions were already designed in a way where you have to strike early and can't just turtle up until you get your ultimate army. Being artificially barred from units just meant you couldn't tech up and progress over the course of the mission and had less variety of strategies.
>>1735332It's called progression and replayability>wah, I didnt have my whole tech tree for the medivac drop cores!Please. Early missions literally dont need extra units with one or two singular exceptions:Vikings for welcome to the jungle (goliath terrazine mission vs protoss) and siege tanks arguably for dead of night original (hellion infested mission)Even then, you can actually delay and do those mission that way if you focus on the tosh missions and the marauder missions as well as the first horner mission
>>1735673>It's called progression and replayabilitySomething you already get through the between-mission upgrades the campaigns provide. They even have unique units.Don't know where you get off thinking that having different unit comps available is a strictly bad thing. I don't want to be bottlenecked into a single one and I don't care about whatever meta you're citing.
Do people still create maps and custom campaigns for this or is it completely dead?
>>1735684Getting drip fed units is generally a staple.Most WoL are smash and grab or timed sieges to begin with, not great variety to speak offSome people can see it as a challenge to tackle certain missions while lacking upgrades/units
>>1727925Note: just get the 2nd burrow fast, then add 3rd grunt and additional peons to have 5g 7w standard. Why isnt this the meta? The faster burrow prevents typical burrow harass timings by archmage or keeper of the grove or even dk+ghouls. And the faster grunts translate to great creeping. The only that suffers is the teching which isnt that slow. You can probably even do a tavern hero opening like this with 2 grunts/3 headhunters+ quick 2nd burrow
>>1730174Yeah so what if my computer is ancient?
>get bored playing FT online in 4v4s>one day just start building sorcs and nothing but sorcs with archmage heroyoud be shocked at how much ragequitting happens when the battlefield is poly'd
>wc3ft>losing against comps>panic>buy mercs>comp ally carrying me>come in with merc cavalry>send whisps to other merc camps>find out that an unfinished/finished building can be considered a nearby patron for merc camp and start setting up moonwells>priestess with trueshot and command aura drums>buy ranged mercs>instant army>harpies fly over shit and move at a fast pace>just start assassinating high value targets with regular harpies and witch harpies>lose harpies? nearby merc camp and buy more on the fly and click over to others to buy more>start fucking up critters for more gold between skirmishes with 2 squads of harpies>end match winning with just one hero and like 30-40 harpies
>>1738044which maps allow you to buy harpies as mercs?The barrens looking ones? Also>losing against computers>>1737881Polymorph will be castable against heroes soon. But why didnt your enemies have dispel casters?
>>1738246barrens maps
>>1735687Ded.
How the fuck do you finish the last mission in frozen throne without cheats?>constantly attacked>split forces means not enough to attack>go attack anyways>enemy suddenly and literally instantly respawns and goes for an objective across map or attacks base>have 2 necro alters and 2 slaughterhouses 4 crypts up and still cant keep up
>>1738831I don't know, but it took me about a decade to beat that mission on normal difficulty.
>>1738831>being this much of a shitterStay no upkeep, spam towers, move heroes to defend only for a long while. Dont bother to attack or hold multiple obelisks at the start until you lvl both heroes.Upgrade, move out with max army once fully upgraded and have enough of a bank.>tldrLearn how to turtle with undead.
>>1738831As a precautionary measure, you did gather the gold crates that were given in the azjol nerub missions right anon? You did get the items that were given right?
>>1739316no because im starting from the mission select directly
>>1645314>Blonde haired blue eyed prince gets corrupted by demons and ends up slaughtering his kingdom of white people and turning them from happy medieval europe land into mutilated and undead freaksI seriously doubt the likely liberal devs intended it but if Warcraft was released today people would definitely seethe that this was right wing propaganda or some shit. Also there was the Rousseuan noble savage stuff.
>>1739705jesus fucking christ clear your cookies once in awhile to reset your algorithmsyou are so fucking indoctrinated
>>1740050Chill your shit, troon
>>1740104go get fed more shit because its in your internet history
>>1740050I knew my post was a little politics brain rotted but it was on my mind so I posted it idc Also the modern internet is a lot more political. You just gotta accept it. There’s no way that if WC3 was released today people WOULDNT bring that up.
>>1740155i literally just described algorithms to you and you still think whats being fed to you is the majority?
>>1740117Fed more shit? What am i, Robert "Beta" Orourke's wife?
>>1710602>added the tranny demon hunter and death knightWhat?
>>1645314I played it recently. RoC campaign is fun but piss easy except for a few missions on Hard. But even those are trivialized if you know what to do. FT has some missions are the are a bit more difficult though still fairly easy. A good enough way to start playing though.
>>1654201>>1710828Two BASED and REDPILLED men who knew better than to trust an Elf who were killed off by the writers because of their globohomo agenda.
>>1739675Well that sucks a bit but still, take one singular obelisk, expand and def with heroes and towers with no upkeep until you have upgrades and a solid bank. Then start taking obelisks asap and keep spamming towers and necrowagons plus aboms for siege push and def
