By the will of Kou Shibusawa, the latest Koei thread begins anew!
>>1711176An RPG style Water Margin remake would be kino.
>playing as the Ashikaga on IT>get both of the weaker clans' castles to the west>the Honganji march to Kyoto as soon as this happensI really should have planned this betterAlso, to the anon who stopped watching the Mori NHK drama, in which episode did you drop it?I have 3 episodes left and there is at least some tension and stuff going on, not at the same level of Itsukushima though
>>1711493After Itsukushima and Takamoto's seething, yet I did should on towards Terumoto's introduction and the very end of the series. I have to say, the final episodes were good. A fitting conclusion to Motonari's life but it is a bit bittersweet given that after Takamoto, it all went south during Terumoto's reign.
I've decided to ditch the Date and start over as the Mori.I'm currently allied with the Uragami and Ryuzoji and dominated the Chugoku region and almost conquered Shikoku by trashing the Miyoshi and devouring the Chosokabe. Also, Archer tech is a bit underrated given how OP musket tech is.Aside from consolidating my gains and focusing on researching techs, I'm pondering on whether I should attack the Uesugi by sea by attacking the castle at Hokkaido.
>>1711448Suikoden series?
>>1711602Has very little to do with it's namesake. I like it though.
New thread? That's cool.I tried playing as He-Jin in the Yellow Turban start in Rottk14, expecting not to like the game as much when most of the map is empty. As it turns out however, I was correct. Seriously annoying to just have the Yellow Turbans take over most of the map with no effort. Might try again in the future, try to rush down south to stop the Yellow Turbans. For now however, I'll probably play some more Awakening first.
>>1711732Why not create some custom forces?
>>1711732A lot of people really like 14, but I personally hate the combat system. While I do like certain aspects of it - the importance of formations, being able to disrupt supply lines, making use of terrain and structures - I feel like it's all seriously impaired by the turn-based/pre-programmed (can't think of a succinct descriptor for Frozen Synapse-styled "have everyone queue their own actions and watch it all unfold simultaneously") combat. On account of how big the map is and how many tiles there are, structures like traps or towers feel underpowered because enemy formations can just move around them unless you spam them everywhere (which I don't believe is even viable on account of the cap on how many you can throw down per territory). Then again, I'm also a brainlet whose favorite games (as far as combat mechanics go at least) are ROTK13 and NA Awakening (the latter I feel being a refinement of the more freeform ROTK13 and SOI combat maps, mixing the best of those games with IT's limited movement routes).
>>1711869And with that being said, I'll now reinstall 14 to give it another fair go.
>>1711721Done.Once the alliance with the Ryuzoji was done, they decided to attack me and I respond in kind by prematuraly beginning the invasion of Kyushu.Thanks to AI being content to dump all their forces into one spot, I was able to quickly capture one of their ports and proceed to attack of their lightly manned castles. The Ryuzoji soon gathered all their forces to protect the castle, leading to a long and drawn out battle which I barely won and gained their almost all their manpower due to all those injured troops.Then I decide to perform a blitzkreig operation to simultanously attack all of their castles. By the time a coalition was formed against me (The Oda, the Miyoshi, the Ikko and the rest of the Kyushu daimyos) it was all too late and I'm busy devouring the Otomo, attacking the last Kyushu daimyo with a castle while the Shimazu and the Ryuzoji are stuck in ports and forts.Kikkawa Motoharu MVP.
Feel like playing some NA. Is awakening worth checking out or should i just reinstall sphere?
How do I into sphere of influence?
>>1711880A bold strategy
>>1711910Rise to Power, Iron Triangle and Tendou are the MVPs
>>1711880A bit late but also Motonari died before the invasion of Kyushu began so his son Takamoto is now the heir and I'm surprised he's outlived his father considering his early death irl ,(was it because Koei went with the suspected poisoning angle?)Was he really that good irl? He's basically a jack-of-all-trades in stats (all 70s) while his son Terumoto is just garbage except his average POL stat.
This guy is stuck in the Dynasty Warriors dimension>>>/vr/10802091
>>1712446I hope it's not the English DW3 dimension.
>>1711176Bandit kings was so kino, bros. When will koei make another one?On a different note, Nobunaga's Ambition Awakening is on sale. How does it compare to Sphere of Influence? Is it worth getting?
>>1712651As someone else said it here before, Awakening is strange in that it feels like an officer game but you can't actually play an officer. There's a big emphasis on delegation. Economic system is rather boring and barebones, and there were some pretty big issues with AI diplomacy at release (not sure if that was fixed or not), but otherwise it's a really solid game. Somewhat too, playing Oda was rather challenging for once. Probably the best thing out of recent Koei fare.The music was really disappointing though.
>>1712762That's a bit of a shame, I was open to the delegation part of it but ROTK 14 felt very barebones with so much automation. I kind of miss playing these games, I really liked Iron Triangle and the story aspects of SoI I really enjoyed. One thing I really liked is that you could just change the music for music from previous games, could solve the issue you mentioned.
>only America has fat agentsWhat they meant by that?
>>1711176god you really are a virgin aren't you
>>1712929>>1712799ok bros, I got the game and started an Okehazama Oda campaign. I like that the tutorial this time around is integrated in the playthrough instead of being its own thing, hopefully it won't be too hard to grasp.
>>1711880you are using nethersx2 right change it to the old buttons it looks betteralso what game and what is your settings
>>1712995Sometimes it's just the way the cookie crumbles. Honestly though I've found myself revisiting games I bought ages ago and had specific gripes with, only to really appreciate it later with a different perspective. Like RoTK, as an example, I used to be obsessed with creating historical outcomes from early starts, but now I've grown to love the dynamic bullshit that can happen when the game does its own thing, and if I really want a historical situation I just pick that start date instead of slavishly trying to recreate history. For example, in 13 I had a Liao Hua yellow turban game where I had originally planned to go patriot after the YT fell, but instead managed to dunk on He Jin, take Luoyang and destroy the Han dynasty (not nearly as interesting of an event as it sounds). I kept on conquering, put the YT in a dominant position against Liu Yan, Sun Jian, and Gongsun Zan, while also siphoning money away in case I saw a good chance to revolt and take the crown for myself. Got caught siphoning and lost the debate to defend my actions, which permanently kicks you out of the force. joined Dong Zhou for a while in a losing battle against the YT juggernaut I had built, and then decided to use my accumulated cash to speed-run an Executioner victory instead killing YT officials and generals to slow down their rate of expansion. I also dipped into Merchant temporarily to get better dueling items and sell off my spare specialties I had accumulated prior for more execution cash.
>>1712802Corn-fed Midwesterners
>>1712966Op here. I won't stop the Koei threads until my bussy is destroyed.
Are there reasons to choose muskets over bows in Kessen 3?Since they can't shoot over your guys and some terrain levels, it makes them worse than bows for me, even if you take the higher damage into account. Maybe I'm not using them properly
>northern warlords insist that Liu Yu proclaim himself Emperor>Liu Yu declines>Gongsun Zan kills himLiterally what the fuck was their problem? Dude just wanted to vibe to the extent where even the northern barbarians thought he was too chill to fuck with.
>>1714297Ok, but only if you dress up like Nobunaga and I'll be Ranmaru.
>>1714344Aside from Nagashino forcing your entire army to use musket, literally no reason to ever use musket iirc.
>>1714460> tfw no femboy to DW and chill with after work.
>>1714352Liu Yu also didn't want to go down in history as a rebel if he went that path since he'll always be a Prince if he doesn't.Also Gongsun Zan and Liu Yu had some pretty bad feuds leading up to that in regards to how to run the northern borders.
>>1715766Pang Tong was a total bro. Same with Ma and the old man general that was part of the Five Tigers.
>>1716122Ma Liang was a pretty interesting dude to be fair.
>>1715766There's Liao Hua
>>1712802Too much corn syrup
This one is new
>Decides to kill Hidetsugu instead making him a regent to his newborn son.>Somehow thinks that a council of lightweights can stop Tokugawa Ieyasu.Poor Hideyoshi became a retard in his later years
>>1717588>The Decision to kill Hidetsugu and by extension, his wife that hasn't even met him yet turned the Mogami and Date against him>The Mogami and Date attacking the Uesugi in 1600 were one of the reasons why Sekigahara didn't go well and the Toyotomi were removed from power.It really all goes back to that one event huh?
>>1717588His actions later in life could only be explained as "someone used a console command to control him and deliberately picked the worst choices to ensure his clan will be exterminated the moment he dies."
>>1717328This is almost as rare as getting Bismark in PTO 2.
>>1712802>bid for slotshuh?
>>1717895Flights, each slot is a flight per week(game turn is 3 months)A airport can only take so many flights per week
Does anyone have tips to deal with the Takeda and Uesugi on IT?I'm trying a Satomi run, got allied with the Satake and attacked the Hojo, the instant they were beaten both Shingen and Kenshin came to beat my ass, even if I ally with them they blob up too fastFor some reason they NEVER fight between them tooSpeaking of which, has anyone watched the NHK Drama about Shingen? I don't know if to watch his or Nobunaga's
>>1718140Guns are the greatest equalizer to be introduced. Worked for me in Tendou, can't imagine it not working in Iron Triangle. Though the Satomi aren't known to have good gun commanders iirc, so get the Satake first, unfortunately. I have yet to watch Shingen's drama, but I did watch Kansuke's, which also heavily involves him (really good Shingen, pragmatic as fuck, but a really horrible Kenshin, not because of the actor, but because of the writing)Nobunaga's drama is mixed for me. Stopped after Mino and no plans to go back. The magic subplot is just bad. Speaking of which, might do another Hideyoshi run.
>>1718606Yep. Comrades can die in battle like normal, and they can still die in events so long as the conditions of the event aren't broken. So of course he'll need to be in Dong Zhuos force in order for the event to trigger. Don't think there are other specific requirements. Your big issue is probably going to be the YT subjugation event firing correctly unless you're playing on historical force trend (which is boring, and even then things can break)
>>1718903I've noticed that being in Dong Zhuos faction seems to cause issues with the assassination event. Did you get the burning of luoyang too? It's required for the assassinaton event in 13 because it's the bridge too far for Wang Yun that makes him start the plot.For what it's worth, Dong Zhuo staying alive tends to counter-balance the eventual Cao Cao blob, although if you're in Dongs force its a little on the easy side. I had a Dong Bai game where the assassination event didn't happen, and even on hard we rolled the rest of China in a decade and a half. > Jia XuExcellent taste in tacticians. Separation is honestly an insanely strong tactic for late game wars on hard mode because it lets you debuff and CC the big 20k Zhang Liao/Guan Yu/etc stacks.
>>1711448Bandit Kings of Ancient China is kind of like that.
>coolest portrait in NA SoI>bs impossible starting locationThanks
>>1717588I like how even though Sphere of Influence tries to whitewashing his later evil acts, they still straight up said that he went crazy.
>>1721651So I decided to come back to NA after a couple years away. Picked up Ascension and Taishi on a sale. Gonna ramble some thoughts about it. > AscensionI think it's really cool that they're attempting to model feudalism. Both series have had a real issue with realms being way too stable and retainers not having a way to exercise pressure on rulers. Unfortunately that's where my praise ends. Combat is just as shit as in Sphere, Domestics somehow became way more tedious, and there's a lot of funkiness like the game expecting you to do a million dull 1 vs 1s between castle assaults, and those 1 vs 1s exist in a pocket dimension where the passage of time and supply use no longer applies. > TaishiOverall much better than ascension. Battles feel great, although I wish theres was still a passage of time/supply management side to battles, it's a series staple for a reason. Province development kind of sucks. There's only a couple buildings worth making but a ton of province to make them in, and if I'm just gonna spam reservoirs and forges on every province then the game should do a better job of automating that process. The agriculture management side is cool, although it's not actually super interactive. I found myself always wanting to do land clearance and there didn't seem to be any way to expedite the process with cash or high stat officers. Policy mana as a tech tree is a very clever way of making good officers provide good tech bonuses. As a niche complaint, officers almost never seem to die in battle in both games, which sort of makes the massive roster meaningless. Guys dying at awkward times is fun emergent gameplay. I remember back in Lord of Darkness, every time you took musket fire there was a tiny percent chance of instant death, so once your army got big, you ended up leading with some above average guys to eat the first muskets shot before you closed in with your best officers to secure kills.
not koei but could have been a koei gameplaying some Tenchi wo Kurau. Great game with lots of romhacks. Too bad the manga isn't translated and games seem more famous.
>>1722316I could fuck with a Taishi Ci game in 13. What should my goals be? Which faction should I join? Emperor Kong Rong sounds like suffering but it could be good.
>>1722438Pretty cool that Capcom made a roleplaying game as they don't delve to frequently into the genre.
>>1724673In Ascension, is there any way to get more than 15 districts. I could plop down more castles I guess, but I'd love to just expand the one I have instead of making more and trying to grow their population from scratch.
Is my shitty Ryzen 3 1st generation processor good enough for Awakening?
OK, after a couple weeks I beat my first awakening campaign as the oda. I quite enjoyed it. I like the feudalism simulation and officer management. There are also a ton of events, perhaps too many. Right now I split my realm in two, giving one half to Mitsuhide and the other half to hideyoshi so that they can conquer north and south and give me the supremacy win. I'll probably play Takeda next. I want to do Akechi in 1582 but I don't think I'm skilled enough to do it just yet.
After spending days playing Rise to Power, I'm conflicted on whether this or Iron Triangle is the best Nobunaga game.The war gameplay is fun as hell even if the unit pathfinding is messy for an RTS.>Play on Normal mode.>Get bored because I'm steamrolling as the Oda.>Play on Hard Mode.>Neighbors constantly attack me and they become more competent on the battlefield, especially with the Tokugawa ripping my army to pieces.
/eagg/? is that you
Thinking of donating to this guy's Patreon so he can make a FastROM patch for Lord of Darkness and make it more playable: https://www.patreon.com/KandowontuSeems he already did one for Operation Europe.
>>1726462I mean...unfortunately we never got most Nobunaga games so it's hard to say which is the best one.
>>1726667I just mute the emulator and run it at 150% speed. It's got great music but you can always just listen to the music off YouTube or as mp3s or whatever. >>1726462Rise to Power is a really odd one. You can't deploy a ton of officers, nor can officers lead many troops, so you're often on parity of forces in battles. Cool, an anti-snowball mechanic. Problem is, you have to play an RTS using a controller, which is suffering. And a pretty low time to kill RTS at that. Domestics are pretty odd too, but they hardly matter past the early game because of the above mentioned force limits meaning you cant mobilize a large resource excess even if you have one. Culture and Foreign are pretty useless as I remember. They buff your defenses, wow. Also I'm pretty sure that any alliance attempt with the Tokugawa should trigger the kiyosu alliance event, but you do have to trigger it yourself by suggesting the alliance.
>>1726407>While I cleared the game before Honnoji, I was on track to actually getting such a major event despite starting all the way back at Okehazama.I wasn't so fortunate lol, in my campaign honno ji actually happened and my realm completely split off. I had to reload a save, but it's great that it happened since you can pretty much never get this progression in the other games.The events have some jank, though. I got the battle of Tedorigawa while I was fighting Nagamasa and the Asakura, so many years before it was supposed to take place. Also the shogun never really betrayed me, but events pretended that I had defeated him and exiled him while he was my ally still seating at the capital. Continuity was funky,
Oh shit. I didn't know this was a general event in this game. Was wondering why an event even occurred for an ongoing game with historical events set to only player. Just thought this was interesting to stumble upon. This just makes the Hiragumo hard to find or deleted entirely iirc. This also occurred while he is still under the Hosokawa's thumb.
watching sum souten kouro. it's like hokuto no ken meets three kingdoms also my campaign as liu bei in rotk2 from 194 is going swell. just conquered liu yong
In rotk10 is xp only useful for unlocking skills? Is my dude gonna be a better cavalry commander at 1000 cav xp or is it irrelevant beyond the point where you unlock the relevant skills? I'm using the PUK if it matters. Also is there a way to swap your commander into the sub-units mid battle other than getting your main unit wrecked and hoping you didn't get captured?
ROTK 8 isn't an officer game right? Never played it but I'm interested in the remake.
>>1730410ROTK8 is one of the RPG hybrids.
>>1730410Speaking of which, when are they gonna announce the actual release date for the Remake? It's middle of April already.
Well I started a campaign with the Takeda on Awakening, first scenario. Decided to play on Hard, because it's the Takeda so how hard could it really be? It was going well but after a few years the Hojo grew massive and kept declaring war on me. I didn't stand a chance.
How do you properly expand in Rise to Power?If I expand too fast, I'll be overexpanding to point I'll have too few officers and funds to properly defend while building up too much means powerful factions like the Takeda/Uesugi/Otomo will blob like hell and overwhelm me.
>>1734625Choose the Oda. Build up your infantry and gunners. Do the Imagawa event and ally with TokugawaTake out Dosan Saito after all of thatContinue to recruit generals and develop your gunnery. Also, keep Hirate Masahide alive for as long as possible. I believe RtP has a merchant that sells life extension times. Get Hideyoshi asap.
>>1734678Tomes not times
i'm getting into Sphere of Influence for the first time and though i am enjoying the game quite a bit i am confused why you can't combine armies from multiple castles into one uniti just conquered a province that has 5 or so small castles that provide 500ish troops each. is this province always just going to be worse than an "equivalent" province with 1 fortress that provides 2500 troops? why can't i order my supposedly loyal retainers to stand next to each other while besieging a castle or fighting an enemy instead of forming a single file line at 5km intervals on the road to their target?is there a way to move population or troops from one castle to another?
>>1734725>why you can't combine armies from multiple castles into one unitthink of each castle as having its own army, you can't really form into an actual force, you just have to make do with the decentralized system the game uses. try using multiple roads at once, that will allow you to attack from multiple angles. two to three armies can only attack when they're on the same road, which makes holding chokepoints worth it in the game. mountain roads limit the amount if troops further, so watch out for that. >is this province always just going to be worse than an "equivalent" province with 1 fortress that provides 2500 troops?no, either they'll grow later on the game due to higher population, or you could enact a policy that increases fortress troops. take into account the gold and food each castle in a province makes, rather than the troops they provide. personally, I would destroy them to remove the tedious micro and focus on good old castle gameplay or automate the fortresses to the ai so there's an extra resource base.
>Attack a castle in Rise to Power.>Significantly outnumber the enemy.>Enemy has a 800-man musket unit hiding in the castle.>Castle is well developed that you can only go through the gate.>Enemy musket destroys my army without breaking through the gate because he keeps somehow manages to proc confuse that stops my army dead.
>>1736898yeah the RTS stuff in rise can be pretty weak. If you get big enough you'll get cannons. In the meantime consider a) sending less troops to get the AI to be more aggressive and b) mulch his entire castle town, you'll either force him to fight or gimp him enough to let you focus attention elsewhere.
They talking shit about Nobunaga in/vr/ right now. Someone called him a chud.
>>1739339I didn't, in the earliest scenario the alliance hadn't happened yet and I didn't bother to do diplomacy with them because I thought I'd be safe until the alliance event triggered. I was wrong lol. This time around I kept him in my good graces. They're still the strongest clan but I can focus on killing kenshin now. I feel like the Takeda are better suited for the 1560 start. Starting as early as possible requires you to sit on your ass a lot if you want to see all events.
>>1714000checked and bussy-billed
>>1714000
Did they overhaul the visual aspect of combat in Awakening? I miss when there were cannons, cavalry, muskets and infantry working in tandem on the battlefield.
Aside from The Last Warlord, any mobile Koei-likes out there?
>>1747488Holy basedOp's bussy must be quivering in anticipation.
is the AI still totally broken and unable to improve their lands/castles in Ascension?
>>1748541The game stopped receiving updates ages ago. Of course it hasn't been fixed.
>>1711732honestly TW3K with its Han officials governing cities is really good option to this(and then mod that cause them go independent)
>Samurai Warriors 4 got a PC port out of nowhereWhat the fuck is going on in the minds of these old salarymen?
>>1756573Is that basically 4(full game) + XLAlso, 8 remake news please KOEI
>>1756926agreeit really wasn't finished, like few dlc and it could be really goodnot great as the character and unit system with retinues was half baked and should borrow more from RoTK
Watching 3k(2010)Its really good, I was playing games before(3k and few RoTK) and watched some other media and read some stuff but it really make me rethink my opinions of some characters
>>1756573I hope they just shadow drops old gems like Dynasty Tactics or Kessen like this too. More people should be aware of those masterpieces.>>1756806No, it's just the original SW4 plus all its DLCs. The "expansion", 4-II, was already on Steam ages ago.
didn't expect that
>>1741378How much of a retarded nigger does a guy need to be to call fucking NOBUNAGA a chud?
>>1762387he should name him noobchudnigga
That 2010 3k series really make me see both Cao Cao and Liu Bei differentlyDamn its good
It's almost June already. When are they gonna announce more ROTK8R info?
>>1718140>Speaking of which, has anyone watched the NHK Drama about Shingen?it's my favorite taiga dorama i highly recommend
>>1725695bro? Your Katsuie? Why do you hate him?
>>1726407Imagawa is really fun, he has one of the best starts and since you are an ally of Hojo and Takeda you can expand without worry about your rear, also you have a fictional event were you defeat Nobunaga
>>1736898hello Hidetada, you fucking loser
anyone played ps2 rotk X?
>The Royal Blood 2(Gemfire 2) download link at the Tokugawa Corporate forums no longer works.Did anyone here managed to save the file?I'd wish I archived it just like I did with Genghis Khan IV but didn't have the time to do it.
>>1762465I've yet to see it, but there's a later series called The Advisors Alliance which also excellent from what I've read.It's about Sima Yi but funnily enough, it has Liu Bei's actor from the Three Kingdoms series playing Cao Cao, might be worth checking if you liked 3k.
>>1766909>it has Liu Bei's actor from the Three Kingdoms series playing Cao Caolmao
>>1766838I think it's actually the worst of the officer play games. The only unique thing 10 has going for it is being able to put together a custom unit as a free officer and partycrash battles, and there's basically no room for progression in that. Many of the things 10 tries to do, 13 went on to do better, with the notable exception of INT plots existing in battle and the duel/debate mini games having some depth to them. In most ways it's a pretty big downgrade from 7 and 8. Many of the skills are straight up worthless on the player character (including all domestics), your attributes don't increase through use and training via tutor is inefficient, so in practice the only officers worth playing are the already good ones.
>>1767227so its better to play 7 or 8?
>>1767570Well, try them all out if you want, form your own opinion. Emulation is free after all. Some people love the battles in 10, I find the AI to be retarded and the combat to be rock paper scissors hell. 13 is probably the most approachable of the officer play games if you want to try them out. Also 8 is getting a remake sometime this year. Don't know if that changes the arithmetic for you one way or another.
Ok, it's time to play NA again (the last one), should I play as a custom character, the Imagawa, Ashikaga (with Yoshiteru not his faggot brother), Saito or Nanbu? I never played as the Chosokabe, maybe they will be fun too
>>1767873I usually don't like to play as strong clans like Oda or Shimazu because one of the things I enjoy the most is recruiting their officers and I usually marry my daughters to the most talented officers
>>1767873Just a warning if you want to play as the Chosokabe in the earliest start date. The second you take one of the clans that borders the Miyoshi, they WILL conscript every man woman and child and launch a massive invasion to take away the province from you.
>>1767885Damn Miyoshi! Lucky for me most of the important guys die quickly. Thank you Hisahide
I wish that Iron Triangle was available on PSN.
What is the most FUN version of Uncharted Waters?
>>1768100New Horizons
it's happening...sort of
>>1767714>Emulation is free after all.both have problems working on ps2 emulatorsigh
>>1766838It's been a very long while since I last played it, but it's my favorite in the franchise.
>>1768852>It's a nightmare.>It uses 4 different things:>1) Textures replacement>2) Cheat codes>3) Patch file (xdelta or umdgen replacement)>4) After all that setup, it will only work on his own custom version of ppsspp "Gihren Type v1.2" for windows only..>It's just so many hoops for people to jump trough.From the comments. That does sound like a bother.
>>1768852>>1768971Just learn Japanese bros
>>1768922if you use PCSX2 0.9.9.r5326 then they should work.
>>1768992thanks it worked
WE WONhttps://youtu.be/QU48saHVmh4
>>1769156>a gritty "realistic" rebootbut at what cost?
>>1769156I saw:Cao CaoLu BuGuan YuI am curious to see what the gameplay changes will be.
I've been playing Awakening for a few hours and I dunno, it just hasn't clicked for me yet compared to SoI/ascension. I think I prefer the billions of castles in SoI with their own forces over the mega castles with surrounding counties. I'm not some min-maxxer but in SoI I felt that I knew what to do in order to achieve my goals while I'm bumbling around in Awakening and winning through sheer numbers/quality officers rather than good decision making.
>>1769156The opening gives me DW4 vibes. I hope they didn't implement DW9 combat.>>1768971I got it running but I still couldn't understand how to play the damn thing. It sits on my hard drive rotting away.
I've never played Koei's strategy games but I'm thinking of playing Iron Triangle/Kakushin. Is there any reason to get the version on Steam over just emulating the ps2 version if I can read Nipponese?
>>1769270It has the PK compared to the PS2 version. I think the PK nerfs some bullshit the original version had, never played it. The tribes were annoying in the original but toned down with PK from what I recall.Good luck finding a copy that can work
>>1769156Wu Long sequel looking good
>>1769270>>1769275I've heard the features in the PK actually kind of break the game
>>1769270The Steam version has Power Up Kit expansion included. Off the top of my head, the added things are >new scenarios>new editor function>foreign trade and foreign techs>tribes that occupy where used to be empty lands that you can build fortresses onThe added tribes are especially game-changing/annoying. Like, if an enemy faction has control of a ninja tribe, their tactic success rate would sky rocket so much that you units will be confused and forced back to their bases every other day.
>>1769275>>1770187>>1770234Thanks. I've been very slowly downloading a torrent for the pc version but it has now totally stalled so I'll go for the ps2 one
>>1770234>Foreign trade and foreign techsSuch as?
>very few good officers at the starting dates>by okehazama 90% of all the good officers are in-action but already part of the major clans like oda/takeda/hojo etc. and will never leave unless you destroy the clan
>>1768852BasedDidn't Koei have a hand in this?
>>1771193i remember there's balance patches that fans make that rebalance stuff like officer power levels and required loyality so that there aren't so many dudes that are 80/90+ stats that'll never defect.>>17779903K has an opposite issue I've found where there's a severe talent drought once you get past 230.
>Only Koei game series where you get to steal the wives of other men and make a literal harem.
>>1779144Which one?
>>1779272The Genghis Khan series. The Pic is from 4th and final entry that's only available for the PC and PS1.Although the English releases removed that gameplay feature.
>>1779425Fucking americans
So I'm playing awakening and I have a few questions1-Should I build more than one stable/shooting gallery?2-how can i make other castles build both commons and market? I know you can use castle town but they only build one of the two not both3-what's the best way to build a castle? I usually build a trading town, irrigation, rice and training or supply depending of what I want. Also if i can build one of the special buildings I prioritize that
>>1780592>1-Should I build more than one stable/shooting gallery?In different castles, yeah. I don't think you build multiples in one castle, but if you can, they don't stack.>2-how can i make other castles build both commons and market? I know you can use castle town but they only build one of the two not bothYou can change overseer policy so they can build one, then proceed to build the other one, but I think that's a rather ineffective way to do it. It's best to just let the castles focus on Commons so you can get more troops to fight, then when you push the front line castles forward quite a bit, you can change the policy of castles in the back to focus on Markets to give you money.>3-what's the best way to build a castle? I usually build a trading town, irrigation, rice and training or supply depending of what I want. In my experience, it's best to focus on agriculture early on so can get troops and expand fast. Surplus supplies can be sold into quick cash anyway. Then after you have secured a good enough base ground, delegate the castles in the back to market places to keep the money flowing in, turn every new castle you capture into supply bases so you can march units from the strong castles to the front line. When you've expand the front line to where the range of the main castle can't reach, change the main castle to slowly reach the frontline and build the castles' agriculture to get the needed troops again.
years ago I made a hex edit rotk2 snes rom edit using the stats of rotk10. I think I edited almost everyone in the game and it was fairly done. I wish I could find a copy of it on my external as i'd like to play my hex edit rotk10/2 edit again
>>1780605>they don't stackGood to know, I always focus first on making money but it's a good advice to use the focus on agriculture.Now I'm at the point where I don't have enough officers to make lords or land holders, I don't want to put a guy with shitty stats as lord, it always end up happening to me in all NA/ROTK games, getting new castle is a hassle because I don't know who to put there and I don't want to leave only one guy in a castle
To Kyoto, Yoshimoto!
I've recently started watched pic related as a result of my Genghis Khan IV addiction and I'm fucking impressed how these dramas are so highly quality.>You have Hojo Tokimune navigating two battlefields: the Mongol Invasion and the internal conflict of the Kamakura Shogunate and his very own Hojo clan.
>>1782994Taiga anon, recommend me a good taiga drama of the Hojo. Also fuck Koei for not releasing Mori game on the west
>>1783123NTA, there's a recent late 1100s Hojo drama called The 13 Lords of the Shogun. Haven't watched it yet but it chronicles Hojo Yoshitoki, guy who continued Tokimasa's grip on the Minamoto shogunate.
>>1783156Sorry I mean taiga from the Mori not the Hojo that's why I also said that about the Mori game not being released in the west. Although if you know one from the Hojo (the one founded by Soun Hojo, the ones from sengoku) I want to heard it too
>age: 2wait what. the boy is leading infantry and managing construction before he can even speak properly
>>1783226>he doesn't know how to lead infantry and manage construction when he is still in the wombNGMI
>>1783222I think the Go-Hojo (Hojo Souun's clan) have old Taiga dramas, haven't heard of any recent ones.The Mori only have the 90s Taiga drama, but it's an engrossing one, covers Mori Motonari and the Mori in the late 1400s - early 1500s.Yet to see a drama covering one of his sons or one of the Mori's late retainers
>>1783260>I think the Go-Hojo (Hojo Souun's clan) have old Taiga dramas, haven't heard of any recent onesNop, they don't have any. Honestly it's surprising, and also the only one they were going to make about the shimazu isn't going to happen thanks to those stinky koreans and chinese, fuck them.I'm going to see the Mori one then
>still no ROTK8R newsIt's gonna be delayed to 2025, isn't it?
the koei wiki has some surprisingly large amounts of info on lesser known figures:https://koei.fandom.com/wiki/Murashige_Araki#Historical_InformationI often consult this site rather than wikipedia lol
Has anybody played the Tenka Touitsu series by Systemsoft?
So I was playing as the Nanbu in the rival showdown scenario in awakening and after destroying Tamenobu and recruiting him I noticed something in his portrait.I really wish people could die of old age in this scenario
>>1783467There was an article linked on steam forums saying it had received an age rating
>>1784220What did you notice?
>>1784973look at the top of the helmet, the visor things
>>1784987so what... before the nazi used it it was just a symbol that represented some luck or something i dont remember. if you care or think its a big deal you are still mentally young. its just a symbol like the billions that have been made thruout time and just because some guys in the 40s used it doesnt mean its automatically bad or code for them
>>1785005You're really autistic anon. Anyway I'm going to conquer japan and instill fear on the jews
Thank you Kou Shibusawa and KOEI for making treasures like Genghis Khan II and Uncharted Waters. Some of my favorite games of all time which I have fond memories of getting cozy in my bedroom on rainy or cold nights to enjoy.I'm playing Nobunaga's Ambition: Lord of Darkness as Ashikaga Yoshiteru and when I'm done I might play Inindo: Way of the Ninja.
>>1785706I've always had a soft spot for Ashikaga starts, both Shogunate and Kanto branches. There's something really satisfying about tardwrangling back to the top without having events or overpowered officers doing all of your heavy lifting. It does suck to just get completely cucked by events on the other hand, like losing Nijo castle as Yoshiteru with no way of avoiding it.
>>1785713I too enjoy playing as the Ashikaga.Yoshiteru seemed to be a very honorable man and reading his story, I feel he'd have been a much better ruler for Japan than many of the contenders during the Warring States era, after the fall of the Ashikaga.Yoshiaki was a faggot though.Also, what the hell happened to Yoshiteru's son Yoshihide? Some sources say he was killed on the orders of Nobunaga upon installing Yoshiaki as his puppet, others sources say he fled somewhere innawoods far away and lived the rest of his life in peace under a fake identity.
>>1785706>I'm playing Nobunaga's Ambition: Lord of Darkness as Ashikaga YoshiteruTell us how it goes>Inindo: Way of the NinjaI tried to play it once but I died like 30 times during and after the tutorial>>1785713>>1785717I agreed with these anons, Yoshiteru rocks
i visit these threads for the taiga drama suggestions
I hope the new KOEI stuff is better than their recent releases, but news have yet to arrive.At least Sengoku Hime's keeping me busy.Were there any Ashikaga NHK dramas besides the TBS one or the adaptation of the Ashikaga Takauji novel by Eiji Yoshikawa? To be fair, Yoshiteru died young at 30 or 40 something but he was already a shogun as an 11 year old iirc, there's room for expression in what would have happened during his formative years and his diplomatic actions as well as his dealings with the Miyoshi.
>be this guy>known only as Dong zhuo lackey #2 in romance>read historical account>mfw he single handedly btfoed Cao Cao and Sun JianWhat the fuck Any other case like this where people you thought were irrelevant is actually an elite general
>>1786143Dong Zhuo literally is surrounder by the strongest people, he only lost because Lu Bu kill him
>>1779511You will respect Women and you will like it.
>>1786143Gao Shun. Not that he is THAT irrelevant in the novel, but he really didn't do much there. In contrast, he is the actual Lu Bu in Lu Bu's historical army.
>>1786143>Portrayed in a Dynasty Warriors spinoff as being scared of Lu Bu. >IRL he's basically Romance Lu Bu with Zhuge Liang's brain. He always defeats Liu Bang in battle despite the later having superior numbers.IRL Xiang Yu alone would easily kill Novel Lu Bu.
>>1786143>Any other case like this where people you thought were irrelevant is actually an elite generalA few, most of them being involved with a lot of the conflicts between Wei and Wu fiction doesn't cover as much. Also, while not a general, Zhang Zhao getting overshadowed is weird to me considering he was frankly probably as fundamental to the state of Wu as any of it's strategists. Probably the biggest surprise to me though was Zhang Xiu. Guy tends to be overshadowed by Jia Xu, but he was a very talented general that did a surprising amount of work under Cao Cao before his rather sudden death. >>1786757Not sure if he really counts considering Xiang Yu is a very famous character in folklore. Probably more liked than Liu Bang, who was also kind of awesome in his own way.
>>1786607It's a shame he'll probably never do anything in Dynasty warriors because they basically gave his job to Zhang Liao.
So... the Rottk 8 remake has been cancelled, right?
>>1786607Was he actually that important? He only commanded a couple hundred guys and the most significant military action he did was to kill Cao Xing during his rebellion. He's known for giving Lu Bu advice he didn't follow, and for allowing Cao Cao to execute him, but I don't know if he ever did anything too significant.
>>1783156>>1785859Where do you guys stream/download/torrent these historical dramas?
>>1789953I think I mentioned it before on an older thread, but I watched Sanada Maru on KissAsian? (I think) since I found no sites that had it, while the Mori, Oda and Takeda shows that I watched were on JP-Films. (pretty sure it was JP Movies a while back but I stopped watching dramas for now)
https://youtu.be/SWRbQ7gMkoc?si=UhkJ2N3d6BTJZAve
>>1789953I got an Avistaz account
>>1789225who said that?https://www.koeitecmoamerica.com/rtk8-remake/
>>1789953I use dramacool for a lot of asian stuff. Three Kingdoms 2010 you can watch in HD on youtube. Personally I own it physically. Currently watching the 1994 Three Kingdoms (superior to 2010 imo, everything except Cao Cao actor just because the 2010 guy is so freaking good. The 1994 guy is also very very good.) I own the 1994 phsyically also, the Asian one has a shitt English sub, but it does the job. It is currently being fansubbed and released over at www.nyaa.si and this sub is far far better than the one in the asian physical release.Here's Advisors Alliance that someone mentioned earlier. Pretty ok show, not as good as Three Kingdoms: https://dramacool.city/movie/the-advisors-alliance-2017-wajrwdau/?ep=1Here's another very good show called Qianglong Dynasty. Set in the 1800s I think, about the Emperor and one of his most talented advisors rising through the ranks:https://dramacool.city/movie/qianlong-dynasty-hc7rhaoc/?ep=1A sidenote; The number one film in China last year was a Taiwanese film called; The pig, the snake and the pigeon. I recommend this film although it is not historical. It's just such an amazing movie that will go under the radar of so many people.
First game of Sphere of Influence finished. Again, played as Oda in Okehazama. Not sure if I like it as much as Awakening, feels a bit more rough in certain places, but I still do quite enjoy it. Mission system especially was a lot of fun (Some annoyance with vassalization not counting as conquest aside). Generally held out pretty well and reliably, manage to get as far as Nagashino without much issue (Though it was funny how early Shingen died). Ultimately failed to take out the Mori in time so I decided to just end it with a war ban. Which, to my surprise, didn't even give me a bad ending.
>>1789191he can be Zhang Liao senpai
>>1790046>>1790166>>1790262Thanks nakafam. I'll check out those sites and the reccs.>The number one film in China last year was a Taiwanese film called; The pig, the snake and the pigeonI'm surprised the Ministry of Culture in the Mainland let a Taiwanese film compete with Wolf Warrior 4: No Awoo 500¥ Penalty
Why did that coward traitor Mitsuhide betray Nobunaga bros?Imagine living in a world where the Oda Shogunate happened imagine how glorious Japan would be today. Mitsuhide robbed us of this kino.
>>1791580he did it for the lolz
>>1791580He did it for the 無常 kino, obviously.In his letters the are claims of aiming to restore the Ashikaga, but it was most likely just him trying to pull the same ploy the Oda did with Saito by banding their enemies around himself.
So I started to watch the Mori Taiga, I'm on chapter 3 and asides from a few things like lady Sugi being a retard or Motonari grandpa being kind of pathetic it's good, I'm liking the series
>>1791580To test the limits of his ability...
>>1791758Ok, i'm on chapter 6. She's much better now
>>1791918Sugi turns out to be one of the better parts of the drama, it's great.
So, what are the best Koei games for the snes/ps1/ps2?
I'm about to start ROTK 14 after my 1st playthrough of NA Awakening. How do they compare?
>Try to play as the nanbu>lack officers to fill my castles and most are shit anyway>try to play as Asakura because of Soteki, I never got the chance to fight to him or see how good he's>he basically carry the whole clan>conquer a few castles with him and a son i create for him because I know he's going to die soon>i still don't have enough officers to fill the castlesAnyway should I still fight the Nagao or maybe another clan like the Rokkaku or Saito?
>>1726487I miss eagg bros...
>>1790046>JP-FilmAAAAAA FUCK THIS PLACE, SO FUCKING SLOW
>>1792122Very different games. While I don't dislike 14 I do feel the domestic side is VASTLY inferior. Events are also just way more awkward.With that said, combat can be pretty fun and I'm a sucker for the setting.
>>1792455switch to another mirror, it was fast when I watched Motonari's drama, not so much with Nobunaga's.>>1792330it's back up, shockingly>>1792317you could try to gimp the potential threat and get the Nagao before they get stronger, they can invade Etchu, Kaga, and Noto potentially bordering you in the future.Saito isn't a bad choice, has a lot of officers to garrison your castles back in Echizen.Rokkaku have Takigawa and Gamo, but won't come until later.
What Koei game is more addicting? i always felt drawn to ROTK games which one is the best? the third right? i talked to a friend about Uncharted Waters, ROTK, i love economy management, strategy and city builders game, so what is the best Koei shit out there and where i get the best english translation?
>Literally only 2 people in this thread actually played this game despite having a partial eng patch.Sucks to not have anyone else discuss about this game.
>>1792737I feel you anon, but in my case, it's an entire series that's entirely in Japanese. A fun series nonetheless.
>>1792565>you could try to gimp the potential threat and get the Nagao before they get strongerOh they already are, we're neighboors, they stopped my expansion into Echigo.But I did kill the small clans around Nijo like the Akai, takeda, Isshiki and I also got a foothold in chugoku by absorbing the Yamana and making the amago my vassals (the mori were very agressive and now control almost all Chugoku, the Amago only had one castle).I'm waiting for the viper to die before attacking the Saito, that way I don't have to worry about Nobunaga and I started to attack the Rokkaku, Soteki is already sick and he doesn't have much time left. Let's made this his last conquest
>>1792737Sorry but I need a full english patch, i love reading the story and know what my guys are saying
>>1792737The text flavor is like half the appeal of these games for me, their mechanical virtues are rarely enough to carry the games on their own imo.
>>1792565>>1792845Also I forgot to add, I really hope the next NA title add more roleplay aspects because the Mori series gave me a lot of cool ideas. Hopefully it's a officer focus game with more covert and diplomacy options. Also I like the little details, if they add more of that that would be nice like in SOI I like that when you win you also start to remember everything that happened and the people you lost, if they add that to the ending with more details that would be nice
>>1792847What this anon said with much better words >>1792849
>>1792737>despite having a partial eng patch.So, what do I do about the other half of the game?
>>1792845Dosan usually dies in late 1550s early 1560s, unless you play with extended lifespans.I hope you can defend on a wide front, Mori and Uesugi can give you a hard time if left unattended. Guess you could secure Kinai and push East towards Koshinetsu (Shinano, Kai) and Tokaido for the major clans.>>1792847Story doesn't exist in Koei games most of the time, unless it's warriors or Legend games.I'd say you could try to play it if you're really interested in the time period, know the major figures, events, and look up guides online to get a grasp on the mechanics. Side note, I've yet to see the implementation of the concept of kokudaka in Nobunaga's Ambition besides the measure of actual food production. Sengoku Hime (or Tenka Touitsu for that matter) uses the concept to limit the player's capacity to raise troops, is one of the win conditions, and influences diplomatic and intrigue actions, whereas in Nobunaga's Ambition, koku can be basically your rations for your troops, and how long your troops can stay in the field. Arguably it is an Edo or Toyotomi period thing but I feel like the limitations of food production and how it ties with actual military strength was a simple concept done right despite the buggy and messy nature of Systemsoft games. It actually made me appreciate provinces and regions more. I also like that money is constantly used when marching troops, sieging castles, etc. Money is usually tech, diplo, military, and political expenses in Nobunaga's Ambition, making it basically worthless by late game. Forgive my ranting.
What's the most complex Koei strategy game? Not in term of difficulty but more like overall things to manage like supplies, food, buildings etc.
>>1793286I'd say NA: Ascension. But not because the game is actually THAT complex, it just has the mechanics of 2 seperate games mashed into each other.
>>1793449Should I get Ascension or just the base sphere of influence?
>>1793536Ascension is worth a playful, if only because the Osaka scenario is really good, but otherwise base SoI is the overall better game. Ascension is harmed by the fact that it has mechanics of officer play shoehorned into a faction play, thus making a lot of things don't mesh well with each other, and the AI being unable to make use of officer mechanics.
>>1792737Link? I would play it asap.
>>1794155Go here in the OP page of my current Let's Play of the game:https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/lets-conquer-the-known-world-again-lets-play-genghis-khan-iv-the-blue-wolf-and-the-white-deer-scenario-2-pc-version.148305/On the third tab that says "How can I play this game?", you'll find the isos of the PC version I've saved, a partial translation patch and a bugfix, PDF files containing screenshot menu translations and a txt compilation of guides.You'll also find these on the comments section of the PS1 version on cdromance.Please post your screenshots here if you managed to run it.
>>1794179thanks so much for the effort of translating stuff for reppuden and rotk5 man
>>1794179And here I am thinking forums are dead.Too bad the sites I've went through usually focused on other niches besides strategy.
wanted to get back into awakening but got choice paralysis with all the different scenarios and factions
>>1796754Do three great unifiers.
Quick question, does the PS2 versions of ROTK games include the puk? I want to play the older titles but they're not translated on Steam except for 10 and 11 so my only other option is emulating.
>>1797410nope
>>1797410sadly no and the pcsx2 emulator has some issues emulating 7 and 8 properly (8's better than 7 for sure). 10 plays ok but I think it also had some problems I cant remember. Its been awhile since ive played them. 7 was really bad with graphics emulation at times but was still playable.
>>1797450>7 was really bad with graphics emulation at times but was still playable.I've played it last year and I'm pretty sure the graphics issue is fixed by playing one of the older PCSX2 versions and IIRC it finally got addressed in one of the nightly builds a while ago.
>>1797424>>1797450Damn that sucks. At least there's a fanmade translation for 10 and 11. Thanks for the info.
>>1797450see >>1768992
>>1797410A guy called "greenpig83" translated rotk9+pk into a playable state and he also did a beta for rotk7 and 8 I think.
>>1797484>At least there's a fanmade translation for 10 and 11And they are shit, they probably didn't even read what they were doing. Fucking mtl translations
I was hoping if there's somebody that played Taishi with PUK here? Is it a better experience than Sphere of Influence?I might play it to further dip my toes into untranslated games. Sengoku Hime was fun but it has a limited selection of scenarios and lack of consistent casts across the games.
It's satisfying to sucessfully expand and barely keep the Uesugi at bay. I'll just tech up while everyone's busy dealing with the Takeda.
https://youtu.be/JhBM3CV4umI?si=AhxvSIYiMYMstzX6>10/24 release Ducking finally!
>>1799921I hate nu-Koei's minimalist UI so much it's unreal
Hey dudes interested in the Three States. I do translating. Are there any things you're interested in having translated to English? I'm taking suggestions.
>>1800001I guess continue with the 10 translation? or do 7-8? I've been meaning
>>1800037to play them* bugged out for a second
>tried replaying ROTK8 in preparation for the Remake>it's just spamming Observe and doing task and building Fame for hours until I'm high ranking enough to have my own city and then it's endless repetitive battle of back and forth with the second largest forceWait... I don't remember 8's pacing being this bad.
>>1797450>>1797455The pcsx2.0 that literally just released TODAY seems have fixed the graphical issue.
>>1799582I really shouldn't let the Oda (allied with tbe Takeda) get a foothold early on.>Literally has 100,000 troops and a billion muskets supplied at the port.>My troops die so quickly attempting to get rid of them despite having near cav tech completed and warships.>The Uesugi still won't ally with me and only joining with the coalition against the Takeda are we nominally allied.I should rush to get the anti-musket engineering tech for castles.
Have they fixed the musou graphical glitch for SW2 Empires in the new release?
>>1800703The Takeda are the biggest cunts in IT bar none. I hate them so much in that game.
>>1800001No three kingdoms but I really to be able to play Taiko Risshiden 5 with a GOOD translation
Been playing this. Overall pretty enjoyable, the acting and story is very much a "so bad it's good" kind of thing. Very over the top with genderbent officers, Ma Chao surf riding a horse, crazy outfits and ninjas being shot over city walls.Overall nice as a casual strategy game. Simplified from the first game which is too bad but still fun.Liu Bei is depicted as only caring about Diao Chan. At one point Zhao Yun is like "I will support Liu Bei because he's part of the imperial line" and then Liu Bei is like "What me? Haha no way" (lol) while Cao Cao is a bit of a dick but is also a sympathetic war orphan who wants to restore peace.
>>1800131This is pretty much the same for all of the officer-play ROTKs except for XIII (which is just piss easy instead), no? They didn't really have much of an idea on how to fill up the officer gameplay besides the endless grinding and the only more interesting stages being when they just make you a mini-ruler.
glorious koei strategy games how I love these so. I played rotk2 snes recently for a few hours. did ok for what it was. didnt get into any major battles either so thats good. did assist yuan shu and got paid for it twice.
https://www.youtube.com/live/rifiZZdKCr0?si=ZoPDbr-Q0wFUkqDOfrom
>>1801586>Liu Bei is depicted as only caring about Diao Chan. At one point Zhao Yun is like "I will support Liu Bei because he's part of the imperial line" and then Liu Bei is like "What me? Haha no way" (lol) Kek this sound really funny, why is Diao Chan with Liu Bei anyway?
>>1804560It is a different telling of the story, it isn't faithful to novel or history. It is a peking opera basically. It is melodramatic and over the top. You should play, anon. it is really fun and honestly the story is interesting. the twist ending is also kino
>>1801586Isn't that the one where Cao Cao is Liu bei's brother?
Welp, that was surprisingly easy.Seriously, despite the game claims you have so much going for you that He Jin is a total pushover in comparison.
>>1804631oh no the han has fallen. quick get the emperor to the next safest province
>>1804636I'm the Emperor now. A shame I don't expect Zhang Jiao to survive the year.
>>1804630Yes I thought that came out of nowhere alsoLiu Bei and Cao Cao also have multiple girls pinning for them. Liu Bei has Diao Chan but Sun Li (SSX) also likes him and Mei Sanniang is based on one of his wives.And then Cao Cao has a bratty Himiko character who is obsessed with him and also a genderbent Xun Yu who he ends up with I think. And Yu Jin is a big queer.Moved on to Kessen 3 for now and I gotta say it's an excellent game. Lots of levels, characters and customization and like how selecting different unites for different types of maps.
>>1805418
>>1805418>And then Cao Cao has a bratty Himiko character who is obsessed with him and also a genderbent Xun Yu who he ends up with I thinkCao Cao is so lucky yet again... how can Liu Bei compete?>And Yu Jin is a big queerI still don't know what they were thinking
Of the available koei games in English on ps4/5, which is the best to fully get into 3K as a beginner? Either strat or musou worksI’m assuming either dw8xl or rotk13? I’ve never played a koei strat or musou before
>>1808258Dw 7 is the best, actually. Followed by Rottk13. Mostly because both have fairly good story modes that cover most of the Three Kingdom story.
>>1808283I see 7 is on ps plus streaming, might give it a try but would definitely prefer something downloadable like 8 or tk13I’m guessing wo long is slop
>>18082918 Isn't a bad place to start. I just find the story not as fun as 7 and the hypothetical endings, which are fun, don't hit as much if you aren't familiar with the story. Rottk 13 could also work, but obviously it's a strategy game not a Musou game.>Wo longNo clue. I'm not inherently against the concept of a Dark Souls clone set in the han Dynasty, but that's all I can really say.
What's the deal with Tsugaru Tamenobu's Buddhist symbols? Was he a former monk or somebody that loves Buddhism so much?
We're back DWbroshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGhfRz61ccI
>>1808695>actually level design>morale system>enemy is actually aggressive as fuck>actually march forward together with your allies to fightWe are so fucking back!
Do you guys have any tips for playing Lu Bu in romance 4? Everyone arround me hates me is that normal or just bad luck?
>>1809939unless diplo relations is randomly generated, it's normal.
>>1809939Yes 4 does have historical starting diplo relations like that. Also all relations downgrade over time unless you are in a treaty relationship (which also have to be renewed periodically) So in practice you have to put a lot of resources and officer time to maintaining diplomacy, so pick your friends carefully. I've not played Lu Bu in that game, but if I did, I might consider using the Exile command and getting out of the north eastern thunderdome. Alternatively just turtle up in your starting cities so that the AI doesn't think you're a juicy target.
Me and my buddy Nobunaga busy spliting the land for ourselves. I've recently conquered the Hojo, allied with the Takeda, gained the Mikawa Spirit Tech and now I'm fighting the Uesugi and their allies.I've also appreciating the archer tech when almost everyone who played this prefers muskets. It is true musket are the most powerful and archer skills are lame but archer tech turns bows into machine guns with no cost and turrets are fast and cost effect while muskets need money and blacksmiths and their towers take too long to build.
>>1811003To be fair, when you're desperate for ranged units, archers are relatively cheap. Don't know if they have unit aptitudes in that game, but I'd reckon there are many archers (generals) early game compared to late game where it makes sense to use archers alongside infantry.What's the effect of Tokugawa's special tech in that game?
>>1811569Units are immune to confusion and routing. It's literally the most OP tech in the game given how many ways your units can be confused.
>>1811655>Honda Tadakatsu and Sakai Tadasugu are Tokugawa's finest and have massive armies.>Kenshin is literally holding own and Rampage still hurts like hell even with Plate Armor tech.Good thing his army has a relatively low INT (73) while Honda's army has 101 so confuse actually works.
>>1811907>Destroyed the Takeda and about to recruit their many officers.>Renewed alliance with Oda with a marriage and they have lost their alliance with the Azai.>The Uesugi are the only obstacle but they have been exhausted fighting the Takeda for years.It's nice to finally win the game.
Are there new policies for all clans or specific clans in Ascension? I'm not going to play this seriously considering I want to LARP and establish a government consisting of my kin.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/588353-genghis-khan-ii-clan-of-the-gray-wolf/27109121Okay that's new.I have to do it with Philip now
>>1812972
>>1812973>Playing as the worst country in the game and forging an unbreakable empire.How did you deal with finding officers to govern countries and not rebel in a few turns?It's sad how the Europeans are given the worst special unit in the game. Knights cost as much as a Mongol but deals shitty damage and have to rely on a gimmicky charge mechanic.Good thing GKIV buffed Knights so they have the highest Melee atk (Mongols are still OP though).
>>1813231Save scumming.
>>1813231I should try 4 one day despite the language barrier.
>>1813932
>>1812611And I've finally won. Although it's mostly due to the Otomo offering an alliance and once I've forced the Oda to surrender, the game declares me having won since there's no hostile clans left.I'm honestly going to recommend the Tiger vs Dragon scenario since the Takeda/Uesugi blob is further delayed by the Hojo being much stronger.
I can see why I was confused when I started playing Sphere of Influence after initially playing a cracked copy of Ascension. And I thought SoI's simple mechanics were bad, Ascension''s domestic features is much more convoluted instead of being more in-depth. Who thought adding more districts to castles was a good idea?? And it doesn't explain everything, like the line icon besides districts (I think it corresponds to water control). I'll probably focus on getting feats for Sphere of Influence instead of playing this game.
>>1711574What game is it?>>1779144What game is it?
>>1814607Nobunaga's Ambition: Iron Triangle & Genghis Khan: Aoki Ookami to Shiroki Mejika IV (Genghis Khan IV)>saucenao.com
>>1800711I played the undub version a few months ago and I don't recall any issues.
I'm on chapter 17 of Motonari Taiga Drama, is he ever going to stop being a crybaby who tell everyone that he's an orphan? I'm waiting for him to be smart, crafty and stop crying all the fucking time
>>1815295once he makes up with Sugi, he'll eventually be more decisive, it's just drama to make the payoff worth it
If Rise to Power didn't have shitty pathfinding during the war gameplay, I would have considered it the best NA game instead of Iron Triangle.>Order two units to attack an enemy so that they can surround and kill it.>One unit attacks but the other decided to circle the enemy for no reason.
>SNESdrunk reviewed Genghis Khan 2.https://youtu.be/9WrlZIjjTu8?feature=shared
Am I being gaslighted or was there never an Onin War scenario in any of the NA games? I'm pretty sure I remember there was one
>>1817924There never was any. The 1551 scenario in Rise to Power does mention it in its intro, but that's it.>>1816824This dude has been on a Koei streak lately, it's nice.
>>1815302We really need an even early scenario with a younger Amago Tsunehisa and all the other guys I don't feel like naming
>Playing Rotk IX.>It's gameplay is basically a prototype of NA: Iron Triangle.>Sun Ce conquers Wu and decides to fight his sworn enemy Lliu Biao but amasses armies and fortify Hui Ji in case the Shan Yue attack.>They do and in hordes. Lu Su,Lu Meng and Zhou Tai fight them back but barely but they keep sending more.This game is painfully underrated and might even be better than XI.
>>1820597I have a very soft spot for IX. Chaining officers' Tactics to deal massive damage is incredibly fun, the game being rather dependent on RNG also makes for some really funny unexpected scenario. I once had Dong Zhuo dueling and winning against Lu Bu, then Zhange Fei came out to take over Lu Bu's place, just to get his ass kicked too. Zhang Fei and Lu Bu were in my unit, but I ain't even mad at that outcome.
>>1816824Oh, he finally get to Nobunaga's Ambition, it seems.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEKkMgUZQj0
>>1820597You've convinced me to try IX. That'll have the added bonus of being something of a soft demo for Iron Triangle as well, as I've never played a NA game.
I just wanna let you guys know that I love you. Thankful to have my KOEI bros.
>NPC in 2>His scenario in 2XL ends with him dying anyway>in 3 only exists to be betrayed by Keiji Maeda>in 3Z still loses against Hideyoshi and becomes a wanderer>4 is a historical game, he got fucked>5 is a historical game, but he got a B plotline where he defects to the Azai for Oichi's sake for extra screentime and becomes irrelevant after he rejoins the OdaJUST
GLORY TO THE EMPEROR!!!!!!!!
>>1822003So unfair... fuck Hideyoshifags
Are the Koei IOS ports good for series introductions? They have Ro3K 2 and I'm guessing the first Nobunaga? I know you can emulate but I'd be fine buying one/both of these if they're solid and a good way to get into the Koei strats
>>1825582I saw a friend played one of the ports during breaks once. It seems like it's based on the early NES game, but with the UI and smoothness of a phone game. Basically it has the fundamental of the series, build facilities, raise troops, invade and defend and stuff, but without the jank of the NES, so yeah, it's somewhat a good way to get into Koei strats. However, it's also kinda barebone and lack difficulty compared to the console games.
>>1711176what's the best Koei WW2 game?
>>1826593That sounds perfect then, as I’m quite new/bad at all strategy games
>>1826721PTO 2
Which Rot3K and NA games that are currently available in english on steam is worth playing?
Who do I have to kill to get a new Uncharted Waters game that isn't FTP MMORPG shit?
>>1827919Sphere of Influence (Not Ascension) is generally considered one of the better NA games, and Awakening is pretty great too.ROTK though...ehh...you've got a total of two translated games and neither of them is particularly good honestly.
I LOVE ROTK, can't wait for 8 rerelease, Nobunaga's ambition is also really good and the one from 2022 or 2023 is worth it. 10 is my favorite besides Cao Cao being way to strong.
>>1827921Play Sailing Era anon, it's Uncharted Waters's "spiritual successor" aka when an game isn't going to get an official sequel the fans do one themselves
>>1828589Thanks how did I fucking miss this? Only other game that came close to scratching that itch was Neo Atlas 1469.
Some new info for remakehttps://www.koeitecmoeurope.com/rtk8-remake/system.html#system_sec06
This was very difficult. Even on normal, it took me 3 tries to get this far. First attempt was ruined when Wu sniped Jingling post Split event and I lost Xinye Though, to be honest, I kind of regret abandoning the game when I did because I was in the process of taking over South Jing and might have been able to turn it again. Second attempt failed even earlier, Zhang Fei got imprisoned and that broke the event chains to get Zhuge Liang and Split Jing.Next up: South Jing.>>1829985Looks good. I just hope the system is kind of fast. PS2 RoTTK8's combat isn't bad, but it's pretty slow and gets tiresome quickly as a result. Same issue I have with 7.
>>1711176Which is better between DW8E and DW9E? hearing a lot of conflicting opinions and unfortunately can't get 7 on PC
>>1831095In 7 and 8 you just fight a battle and then get the province, there's no switching back to the domestic phase in between so I kind of prefer it.
>>1831179Both are bad in their own ways, but personally I think DW8E is better, in part because DW8 is better than DW9 and actually kinda add something new to the series (the battle stratagems and the children system) while DW9E is just sandbox DW9 and no open world.
>>1832020That's fair. I just find the battles too slow for the amount of depth they have. I guess 14 isn't THAT different, though if they actually allowed you to pick tactics for every officer it would be a pretty deep system, but somehow that game just works better for me. Same for 11 and 9(Haven't played enough of 10 to judge yet).
>>1832186Battles can feel slow but one advantage with the old system is that you can autoresolve trivial battles.
On the steam forums there is a new ROTK X english patch.>Tons of text imported from english PS2 version>Non-Chinese input for character and child naming (no tools required)>Removed MSG number reference textsBattle, Duel and Debate dialogue fixed>Fixed remaining quest, item and character text>PUK trial mode menus translated>Fully functional tutorial>Ingame Help (? in the top right) partially implemented>Many minor improvements
>>1832169>Both are bad in their own ways,(nta, btw)I just want a good DWE game anons. One that didn't get half the mechanics from DW cut out just to bring a map. One that doesn't have unfinished stuff like "You can sell the gems for 0$, it's the only thing you can sell", or "We have a house for you to decorate, you'll never have a reason to go ther in game, nor is there anything left from the DW game to interact with there, but you can still decorate it just the same" or "There are (some) incredible maps and weapons ported over from DW, for you to play, shame that all generic officers have same 5 generic ones, and most of the maps you can only play in skirmish mode, as there is no possibility to play them on the actual map "conquest". "FUCK ME, I don't even "need" a DWE game, just add a custom officer mode into the XL release, where there is a hero mode and skirmish/custom battle is actually fucking working. I'm sad anons, the game I want is on the intersection of the games Koei wants to make.
>>1833384Link?Also do I need to actually buy the game on steam to install it?
>>1832645Yeah. Though it's VERY unreliable. I've had the AI lose battles I won effortlessly.
>>1833589You ever tried SW4 Empire? really liked that one.
Is there a tier list for officers in Rottk 14 somewhere? Zhuge Liang and Guan Yu are, frankly, insane and together they can demolish entire armies.
What is the best officer game
>>1833601No, I think you can get a copy elsewhere and find the new patch on the Steam Forums.
The reason why the Genghis Khan series had low sales when compared to Three Kingdoms and Nobunaga and was discountined.>The term "historical trilogy" was used more often than "Nobunaga's Ambition" and "Sangokushi", especially when the "Blue Wolf and White Mare" series was released, but this series was one step behind the other two in terms of sales performance because the material was not popular.>The "History Trilogy" is no longer used. In later years, Yoichi Erikawa, the president of the company, commented on the reason for the poor sales performance of the series, saying that the series was "a memorable work that I also like" but that "it was the image of the character Genghis Khan (omitted)...The image of Genghis Khan that Western people had was 'evil,'" and "the image of Genghis Khan in a historical simulation game was not a good one. The series made us realize that in a simulation game, sales are greatly affected by the recognition and popularity of the character".Given how the 3rd game (GK2 in the west) was a success and loved by the critics, I think he meant to say that the Asian audience considered Genghis as the bad guy so the game sold less.Source:https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%92%BC%E3%81%8D%E7%8B%BC%E3%81%A8%E7%99%BD%E3%81%8D%E7%89%9D%E9%B9%BF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA
>>18337698 or 10.
>>1833589isn't dw7e supposed to be good?
>>1833589>>1833641>>1834132I can also vouch for SW4E and DW7E. However neither of them had PC releases to my knowledge; both can be emulated via their PS3 versions if you have the hardware, and SW4E was ported to PS4 alongside DW8E. SW2E is fairly similar to SW4E if you can't play SW4E.
>>1834132>>1835071For some reason I preferred DW6E over DW7E. Probably just a weird me thing though.
>>1835197DW6E has its plusses, especially since the revamped Renbu system no longer takes away your attacks as you move across the map.
>>1835488I also remember you could backstab your army at any point if you felt like it. Which is a feature I love and wish was included in more games.
Anybody else remember Aerobiz?
>>1835488NTA, Haven't played DW6E, but DW6 had one of the best tactical elements of the series with it's base taking and sieges, defending Fan Castle against Guan Yu is a series highlight for me
Koei could destroy Paradox in the PC strategy game market if they made another game set literally anywhere besides asia
Just a little under 2 months until 8R drops. I hope the game turns out well, I have really high expectations for it.
>>1838605Having played Rottk 8, I expect it to be fun but poorly paced.I'm mostly currious about the new events. Rottk 14 had pretty shitty events compared to Nobunaga Awakening or even rottk 10.
how's taishi compared to awakening and SoI? I liked awakening's more simple economics side and battle system, but no coalitions and the lack of any kind of ai diplomacy kinda sucks.
>>1840054they should have fixed ai diplomacy in awakening with the patchestaishi has a good battle system and excellent diplomatic ai for that matter
>>1835655IMO DW6 is still the best DW game in terms of depicting a proper battlefield where units are independently moving around and fulfilling objectives, instead of everything being heavily scripted. Yeah, you the player still need to go around and do most of the heavy lifting, but as long as it's not a stage where your side is going to get fucked like Yiling Shu, your allies can hold out pretty well with minimal player intervention.
>>1842809DW 6 had it's flaws, but it has bar none the best stages of the franchise. It feels like they tried to recapture whatever they were going with for DW 2 and 3 but now they actually had the hardware to make it possible.Improve the combat and make soldiers actually somewhat of a threat and you would have the best DW game bar none.
>>>/int/201910914>>>/Int/201917137Thoughts?
>>1842809you think dw6 does that better than DW3 or 5?
>>1844417Yes and in DW6 you don't have to contend with that terrible camera and barely-textured battlefields
Op here. I'm dying of colon cancer and need someone to carry on the tradition of the Koei thread once this thread and I am gone. Who will take up the mantle?
>>1786143Ju ShouTian FengZGL tier tactican stuck serving retards like the yuan family
>Play NA:Lord of Darkness>Recruit officers after defeating clan.>One of the officers decides to kill the Daimyo out of nowhere >Replace Daimyo with relative.>Another officers with low loyalty kills him as well.How the fuck do you deal with that?
>>1845250unfortunately I also happen to be dying of colon cancer
>>1820132After you're done with the drama post your review anon
>>1844417Nta, but, yeah. Siege mechanics, while simple, help a lot.
>>1847048Shame DW6 was an unfinished game and Renbu sucks so much ass that DW7 threw away everything DW6 did right except the maps.
>>1850120>Except the mapsLiterally the maps. Actual level design was stupidly linear and a massive step back as a result. At least the story was really good.
How's Dynasty Tactics 2? I'm thinking about downloading on my PS Triple later
>>1850286>very unique and fun combat system where you customize your units with the right troop type and tactics, and set them up at the right places on the map so everyone can chain their tactics together to deal fuck huge damage. Though as a result, some fights can feel a little bit of a slog because of all the setting up >writing is not exactly good but has some rather out there hypothetical scenarios. ie: Xiahou Dun just fucking rebel and takes away half of Cao Cao's officers because he pushed his conquest too fast and didn't allow the men to take a break.It's been so long since I last played it so I don't know if it holds up, but I remember it being very fun.
This thread is deader than Koei's Genghis Khan series
>>1711493Where can I get iron triangle? I can't find a translated version, legit or pirated
>>1850621Thank you, I have been playing it since your reply and it's funI do agree setting everything up feels like a slog sometimes, but it's the flow of the game after all>>1855278I think that's alright, even if the thread is slower, posts have a somewhat better quality than other threads>>1855282https://vimm.net/vault/8985Here it is, Vimm's has plenty of stuff if you need an iso in the future
>>1855295aiiight thanks manhope it lives up to the hype
>>1846005I'm on chapter 31. His wife and Sugi are already dead and he just took the kikkawa. Maybe I'll watch another episode today>>1711493>Also, to the anon who stopped watching the Mori NHK drama, in which episode did you drop it?I didn't drop it, but at the hour I want to watch it the page is fucking shit and refuse to load the chapter
>The Devs of Mount and Blade cite Nes Genghis Khan as an influence to their game.Now that's quite cool.
Is anybody using Linux here? Ran ROTK 10 with the new patch, it's great, but my music's not working and I have all the available codecs needed. ROTK 11 ran fine after multiple sessions with music and everything, but 10 seems iffy on music entirely (there's still voices and sounds though, such as for dueling and audio stingers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEJj6ahC38sKINO KINO KINO
>>1856788I wouldn't trust anything Japanese on Linux. Things might be different if you're on an 'eck though, but I wouldn't know.
>>1858104Surprised they didn't take the chance to redesign Xu Chu. Also January 17th 2025 is a lot sooner than I thought.
>>1858172Could be worse with the freakazoid faces of 3 onwards. He looks eccentric but not a buffoon. Hopefully I'm right.
New ROTK8R trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR8NMWnThjE
>>1859037I guess we are stuck with the pseudo-animated Live2Desque portraits? Dunno who in Dev team is insisting on it.
Found more Genghis Khan IV info from South Korea's version of wikipedia. https://namu.wiki/w/%EC%A7%95%EA%B8%B0%EC%8A%A4%EC%B9%B8%204It's surprising to see that SK has a comprehensive mod community that managed to reverse engineer the game code to include cool shit such as remake the whole map to include the Americas and make their own custom scenarios such a Three Kingdoms Scenario, a Roman Empire Scenario and more.From their Japanese faction strategy guide, you can almost feel the passive-agressive hate SK has towards Japan.>In Scenario 2, where the Mongols aren't overwhelmingly strong, the nation has three cities and is quite strong, and even the samurai, who were actually crushed by the Mongols with their primitive tactics, have stats that are almost as good as the Mongol cavalry.The problem is that Yoshitsune's combat-related stats are identical to Genghis Khan's and Suigun's, which has been criticized as supporting the Yoshitsune=Genghis Khan theory. In fact, Koei tends to actively incorporate unusual yasas into their games, even if they are highly unlikely, such as including characters from light drama in the Three Kingdoms series and the female Uesugi Genshin in Nobunaga's Ambition series.>Samurai: A cavalry unit that can only be organized in Japan. They are classified as archers even though they carry swords.[10] They have an attack of 35, only 2 less than Mongolian cavalry. However, they have the lowest mobility of all archers at 13, so it's a bit difficult for them to mow down an enemy's first division in a single turn with their archery like Mongolian cavalry.[11] However, their melee strength is comparable to Mongolian cavalry, making them a powerful class. In user-created scenarios, it is the #1 target for nerfing or retooling into other classes.While there's some home nation bias, the Samurai did defeat the Mongols and force them to retreat to their boats where the Typhoon finished them off.
The Namu articles on Koei and their games have some interesting info.From their PTO page:>Because the work depicts comfort women and forced labor, it is controversial because it is sensitive to general Korean sentiment, so naturally this part is censored and the work is not released. This has led to some people treating it as black history. However, there are also those who believe that it is a work that accurately depicts the real history of comfort women and forced labor. In the first place, comfort women and forced labor are currently being thoroughly denied by the Japanese government.[1] In other words, if this movie is considered far right-wing, it will be considered black history.
>>1859326>Because the work depicts comfort women and forced labor, it is controversial because it is sensitive to general In other words, if the series was a far-right movie, it should not have included these two systems in the first place, but it clearly depicts the mistakes of the Japanese military without accepting the Japanese government's denial of reality. The series even goes so far as to systematize one of the most iconic tropes of the Japanese Empire, the land-naval conflict, as one of the events on the Japanese side in every episode. As if that weren't enough, from Episode 2 onwards, this event is further refined with the refinement of the conference system, making it even more frustrating for players who choose to play as Japan, such as having to deal with Army Chief of Staff Hajime Sugiyama or Prime Minister Hideki Tojo, who chairs the conference and sides with the army, in a scripted conference, making outrageous suggestions, or even having to roast the foreign and interior ministers in order to get the conference to work. Speaking of the first episode in particular, as you can see in the video, the depiction of comfort women[2] and the order to execute forced labor[3] for residents of occupied territories were controversial. The infamous Japanese military slogan "The Army is opposed to the Navy's proposal" (陸軍としては海軍の提案に反対である)#[4] is also used in the video, and it can be seen as a historically accurate representation. Considering the other games released in addition to Admiral's Decision, KOEI is one of the few Japanese game makers that keeps realistic accuracy in mind without glorifying or distorting history.
>>1859329Comfort women are also one of the most common sexual depictions in classic Koei games, like the Ordo system in the Genghis Khan series. However, in Japan, regardless of one's views on comfort women, the mere inclusion of such an element in an all-ages game is considered immoral, and even those who have never played the game know that "Admiral's Decision = Comfort Women. This sensitive element was a factor that hindered globalization and contributed to the franchise's demise, along with the low ratings of the fourth installment. If you look at the depiction in the game, it's more like a naval sunburst game than a right-wing game. Of course, the game is about the Japanese Navy, which is a romance of right-wingers, so there was quite a demand from right-wing users.
Also from the Namu wiki, from the Koei Tecmo page under the History tab.>As a result, it is one of the most hated companies by netizens on 2ch and other sites in Japan because it has shown a lot of consideration for the Korean market, including the Korean Sea incident in Age of Empires Online and the release of Koreanized versions of the Three Kingdoms series and Age of Empires series. This story is not unique to Koei, as there are many examples of companies that are criticized as far-right in Korea and left-wing in Japan. This happens because people don't recognize the difference in perception between the two countries.
>>1859326Speaking of PTO, which one do you guys recommend that I play?
>>1859386I to gain experience. II when you are ready for the main course.
https://youtu.be/Az7M5aaFqcQMy post didn't post, whatever.The map might be DW2 Si Shui, combat feels like DW4, abilities like in SW5, feeling hopeful. I hope there were story cutscenes before that bland briefing though, it was plain with all the grunting responses and text info.
>>1859781We’ve seen snippets of the coallition’s camp in the trailer so there definitely will be cutscene pre-battle (at least important battles will have them imo), the TGS demo probably just cut out the cutscene to give players more actual playtime
>>1859338This could never happen in the west with the current consensus. Unless...
I just want to play Ghengis Khan 2 without all the censorship so I can have a harem of beautiful women. I'm going to learn japanese one day....
>>1861036Why not just google translate shit? Or use Textractor, which extracts text from video games and visual novels and translates them onscreen.https://youtu.be/MqdUSZnIqLI?feature=sharedIt's very customizable (You can choose what translator you can use like Deepl and Google translate)
Thoughts?
>>1861036>I'm going to learn japanese one day....Good luck!
>>1861280I don't read vns because reading most vns requires running nonfree software. Manga, anime or LNs are much better because you can consume them with only libre software, e.g. mpv for anime, nsxiv for manga, crqt-ng for books. Most visual novels should be avoided since they are proprietary.https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-games.html
Are those two bots or not? Jesus christ
>>1861626>they see your dick
>>1861885This isn't even enough. Input only is inefficient you need to write and practice conversation with Japanese people on italki/discord.
I'm genuinely wondering if most of the Koei regulars here are too busy discussing about Dynasty Warriors: Origin on /v/ to post anything here.
>>1862297I'm just lurking the /v/ thread to gather new info. Otherwise I'm busy speedrunning old DW games.
Koei did add some new info for 8 remake to the site a few days ago if anyone missed ithttps://www.koeitecmoeurope.com/rtk8-remake/system.html#system_sec11
>>1862575pre-ordered
>>1862608I hate the new female portraits so much, they look so fucking plastic.
>>1862297There's a thread on /v/?No wonder the thread felt kinda slow.
In light of the Koei TGS Sale,I have eying ROTKXI.Should I buy it?Also, which of the other ROTKs are Ruler based?
>>1863129>Should I buy it?Yes, you should. It's one of the best ruler based game in the series.>which of the other ROTKs are Ruler based?Except VII, VIII, X and XIII, the rest are ruler based.
>>1863144Thanks Anon. I'll get XI then. I have only played XIV from the high seas, I hope I can manage alright in XI since I well not new but yes since I only have a potato laptop at the moment.
Made a list of the Genghis Khan IV's historical officers that have unique faces. Most use a generic portrait used for fictional officers but have a historical bio.
>>1862608Somebody was having a fucking laugh when they made this the screenshot.
>>1862608cute and funny
I heard you can play Rot3k in English on the sega mini 2
Finished my second campaign of Awakening, this time playing as the Imagawa in 1553. Fairy easy campaign, though I did have to restart a few times because the Takeda kept taking provinces I needed for my regional victory. Originally only intended to go for the "ultimate conquest" victory but decided to go for total unification anyway. Hojo did very well, which meant the last part of the game was like a decade of slowly demolishing them.I still really like the game, but I must admit if I do have one problem with it is that the automation tools the game gives you are kind of weak. The "March" order especially is very guilty of this. The AI just moves very stupidly and inefficiently. The system also largely doesn't seem to understand the way supplies work, with the AI flat out avoiding the supply hubs I build along the way. Granted, you totally can just do everything manually but that kind of feels like doing everything manually in, say, Heart of Iron 4. It's possible but also kind of feels like you are struggling against the game itself when you do. I still like the combat a lot though.
> released in Asia and North America for the PC, Super Nintendo Entertainment System and Mega Drive/Genesis. It is also the only SNES game to be fully translated into Chinese.
>>1867410The best one
Can't wait for Rot3K 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmr0hCy3N-4Japanese but you'll get a decent idea whats going on if you're somewhat familiar. At the very least its a reminder to listen to the comfy OST.They also have a 10 hour stream from a couple of days ago as Ma Su if you're really interested
>>1874631The game is coming out in less than 2 weeks so I think I'm just gonna wait it out. This kind of game is a lot more fun actually playing than watching someone else plays anyway.
>>1874631how much control do you have as a ruler in this oneI remember trying rotk8 a but you couldn't administer some territories directly I think
>>1874631Rotk10 was my personal favorite growing up, how much different is 8? You can play as a custom created character right (it looks like they did it in the stream)? Honestly not a fan of this "forged friendship" and destiny, sounds like the fluff they added in 13.
>>1875358>Honestly not a fan of this "forged friendship" and destiny, sounds like the fluff they added in 13.Because it's pretty much that and something they grafted onto the 8 skeleton. Granted, friendships and relationships in general were extremely barebones in 8 so it's that bad of an addition.
>>1875526>not that bad of an addition*fug
>>1864376These portraits are so damn good. Why can't we have this style anymore?
>>1875358See that's actually the system I'm most interested (well, I suppose second to general combat feel/balance). Cause in 13 its pretty one dimensional. Friendships are opt in and you gotta do those generic quests each time, and nemesis only happens if you kill someone's family/friend, and the ai never makes new friends or family after game start. So i feel the system from 13 really needs an update, and this looks good for that front. Friendships forming dynamically implies more friendships and by extension more rivals, which makes for a more interesting story.
>>1875816There was a preview I saw and it said rivals kept moving to adjacent cities
Man I was so hyped for 8 remake. But then I found out it only has jap dialogue? How am I suppose to immerse myself like that? I'll be holding off on getting it. Only three more days as well. What a let down. Tell me what it's like lads.
>>1879713Just completely mute the voice like the good old days of SNES then.
>>1879964I would, if the price was different. So maybe later when it's on sale. How hard is it really to get a couple of chinks to go tingling and mingbei for the greater good of the game.
>>1880467NTA, dunno how's the VA scene in Mainland China these days? Could be just Koei Tecmo being Koei Tecmo.Also holy shit 900 seconds(15minutes) to postWtf 4chan Admins/ Mods.
>>1880661According to the new rules. That 15-minute timer only works for those who use incognito mode or your cookies/history are otherwise deleted every time you finish using 4chan,
>game is released super soon>still has to wait until weekendsI hate being a wageslave so much it's unreal
some mixed reception in the steam reviews for the remake so far...
>>1882160>This is nothing like rotk8. Its more like a rehashed version of rotk13, and its not even good. Dont give them any money for this. Im over 2 hours but Im still trying to get a refund for false advertising.>Most of the content is ripped right out of rotk 13 and its pathetic. This game is a straight up cash grab, taking advantage of nostalgia.
>>1881010>not playing games at work
Okay, so I decided to skip work and stayed at home to play the game all day instead. And yeah... The game actually isn't a Remake of 8 despite its title.>presentation is just way too different>events are completely rewritten and some event triggers are also different>abilities are completely reworked:>Abilities now come in 3 levels instead of 5 for combat abilities and only 1 for domestic ones>you no longer obtain abilities from observing facilities or asking other officers teaching you, instead you obtain a sorts of currency from doing things, then use those currency at home to upgrade the abilities>different battle systems and maps>each combat ability can only be used ONCE per battle>dueling has a completely different mechanic>debating is added in and used the same mechanic as dueling>Fame is now divided into Martial, Cultural and Notorious fames>can't randomly interact with civilians in the castle, though there are lines when doing quests/tasks that reference the old civilians lines>no challenge mode from the PUKIf it wasn't for the fact that they use arranges of the old music, and Liu Yan is still a fucking dick that gobbles up half of China at the start of the scenario, this could have been ROTK15. I'm still enjoying the game though, but I'm kinda feel scammed by this.
tokugawa bros????????
played a few hours of the 8 remake and yeah, I'd rather be playing 13 desu.
>>1882952>I'd rather be playing 13 desuYeah, no. 8R has issues right now, but 13 was just boring.
My only real experience with the ROTK games was 11 which I enjoyed immensely. Been playing the remake a little. Totally different flow as expected but I still adore the setting.Quick question tho, did I fuck up by picking Lu Bu as my first character? The tutorial pointed me in his direction, but I'm afraid he will prove too OP in the long run
>>1882964His Cavalry combat abilities do seem like it trivializes the combat too much, but otherwise I don't think he is as OP as people like Cao Cao or Zhou Yu, where they not only have very good stats, they also have very good abilities and synergies with other officers too. Geographically-speaking, early scenarios Liu Yan/Liu Biao/Sun Jian trivialize the game a lot more because they are surrounded by a bunch of empty cities riped for the taking.
>>1882559>I decided to skip work and stayed at home to play the game all day instead
I'm playing Romance of the Three Kingdoms 8 the PC version that is not the remake I have a question Does anyone know how the hell I get followers to manage my city and get vassals to handle my armies?
>>1882996Cool cool. I guess Ill stick with him until I win/he dies then. The game appears really slowpaced but seems perfect to play in conjunction with reading this badboy I just picked up
Lu Bu with a huge troop count is an absolute rape train. Bonus if you make Zhang Liao deputy for the morale drop
Anyone played a game as a Tactician? I told AI ruler to attack a free city with a few people and a year later he just will not move other officers there, anyone else seen this sort of thing?
>>1883413Yeah, that happens to my game too.The frustating part is that you can't even suggest moving officers around, or even suggest relocating yourself without losing the Tactician role. It must be an AI issue and programming oversight or something.
>>1883084you dont, its bugged
I like 8R but they really need to up AI aggressiveness
>>1884848Isn't that a problem that plagued Koei strategy games from the very beginning?Unlike western strategy games like Civilization where the AI will attack you without reason or care if you're a superpower, Koei strategy games are usually very passive, only attacking you if they have a significant advantage.
8remake is alright I've been bouncing between it and 13 trying to figure out which I like best. Had a fun moment in 13 recently that gives it an edge. Cao Cao was annoying me with constant calls to his stupid councils. So the time I decide not to go he orders me alone governor of Xuchang to take out Yuan Shu with my 10 000 vs 40 000 men. Thought I was doomed but on the way the event fired where Sun Ce leaves with Zhou Yu and half Yuan Shu's troop just in time and I ended up winning the war myself.
>unit size is what determines battles>maps are too small for strategy to matter>30 traits
are there even any officer play Nobunaga ambitions besides Ascension?
>>1885065Not really. There's one of the old untranslated ones with vassal lord play, but if you can actually read Japanese there's no reason to play that for officer play over Taikou Risshiden or something.
>>1885049Most of my battles in 8R just involve rushing down the couple home units and completely ignoring reinforcements and structures since they don't matter for victory anyway. 13 has proper castle walls and fortifications the enemy can hide behind that force you to engage the reinforcements and use some strategy.
I feel in terms of gameplay the sengoku period is just more fun and varied than the three kingdoms. >anything before 190 is disconnected from the rest of the story and important events break, anything after 195 the land has already been consolidated into wei vs wu vs shu>northern plains are OP so cao cao is basically the only challenge since shu and wu are so spread outmeanwhile you have dozens of good clans spread throughout the sengoku period, and after nobunaga dies it equalizes out again with his realm splitting apart.
>>1886812It's crazy how well the Sengoku period work as a story. A good story should not be just "and then, and then">Scrappy underdog beats the superior enemy and goes on to attain fame, fortune and power (Just like Rocky!)>When the status quo feels like Nobunaga is just going to steamroll everyone now... he gets betrayed, his enemies and former allies gain time to lick their wounds and now the "plot" is about to gets to control the former Oda clan... the loyalist, the betrayer or the peasant man who managed to climb through the ranks with diligence...>and yet another scrappy underdog victory, the peasant wins, and now he is the strongest force in the county, though making enemies in the process>Oh no, he died with a child heir, oh the suspense, you could make an award winning series just about the politicking involved>Ok so the scheming worked and the former Child hostage that's been involved with Nobunaga from the start is now in control of the land (it's always the side characters you least expect) but at least the land is in peac- SIKE! There is one great final siege!And that's just the main plotline, don't forget all the "side stories" with Masamune, Motochika, the Uesugi v Takeda, the Sanada backstabbing everyone...
>>1886812>anything after 195 the land has already been consolidated into wei vs wu vs shuNot true. 198 has Lu Bu's last in Xu while 200 has Liu Biao vs Sun Ce and Cao Cao vs Yuan Shao.
Mitsuhide based or cringe for betraying Nobunaga?
will there be an editor for RTK8 Remake? I saw that Van said he had no plan on buying the game currently.
>>1886812This is why in RTK the most fun starts are custom or the 'Heroes' style scenarios. I would really love a game from Koei that was much more of an RPG that let you do things while history happened around you, but the scale and branching would be too difficult. The officer style games don't really do enough to scratch the RPG style itch.
>>1882960I prefer 13 to 8R because I felt I had a lot more freedom in that game. 8R probably has the superior battles for me in principle though I think 14 might be the best for that overall in a modern game. I like 13 because I can travel around the map and do my thing and the world continues on at the same time, officers move around battles progress and it is a much more 'lively' game to me and it doesn't have some of the big issues that 8R does and those issues make the game suffer a lot because of the frustration (moving between cities without losing status, having to mess around moving officers to fix who is in the new+old city when conquering etc etc)Both games suffer a lot from being 'boring' or 'samey' when it comes to interactions and building relationships with other characters you really have to do the heavy lifting with your imagination.>>1884943I remember I had a very fun game in 13 where history unfolded quite nicely for a long time before falling off the rails.
Got given RoTK13 as a gift, are there mods that I ought to install? From what I've found most are in Chinese, which may be an issue as I am an 白痴
i didnt even know there were mods for it, i just use the san13 editor.
>>1887924Kind of cringe now that we know he was just doing it for the Shogun.
>Play as Zhou Yu in 200.>Clear enough events for Liu Bei to flee to Liu baio and set up shop in Xinye. >Suddenly, out of nowhere, surrenders to Cao Cao. I mean, I'm happy the AI is capable of surrendering and it's not a huge issue, but it also really feels like something that should just never happen. I kind of assumed antagonist relationships would have some effect on the AI likelihood to surrender, but apparently not.
>>1888950>now that we know Since when?
i feel like my officers stats have never mattered less
>>1888966Since a few years ago.https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20170912/p2a/00m/0na/009000c
This game is weird (RTK8R). ATK and DEF of two cavalry units (starting troops 7000 each) is similar (~210 each vs ~260) to my single archer unit (starting troops 10000), yet even when both of them are attacking it over successive turns I can whittle them both down. I feel like they should have very quickly crushed my unit and moved on.
>>1889238Number of troops play a major role in determining the damage output too, which makes sense, but the scaling seems to be too advantageous in to the side with more troops now.
>>1889333It does seem a bit silly, yeah. Besides Sieges being totally pointless it's probably my biggest problem with the game.
>>1889333It seems super off and especially since it was an archer unit isolated against two cavalry units, it seems like unit type is barely taken into account at all.
>>1889071seems like an old idea in Kessen 3 he also works with the shogun and I remember in some old anime OVA he's also tricked into doing it for Yoshiaki
I always find it annoying they don't make every character available in a scenario who is of age. At the very least have a toggle if it's someone important like kongmeme
>>1890439Yeah, I've always wanted to roleplay as Liao Hua since the YTR but he isn't available until like 200 scenario or something.
>>1888164Unfortunately unless you can read chink runes and get access to their websites, you're out of luck from what I gather, I couldn't even find the character editor to make "breathing" custom characters
>DWO won't have Cao Ren, even just as an NPC>and yet they kept the fucker Xu Shu aroundLiterally why?
>>1890460Out of every character you picked the one dude that this isn't an issue for since he's 15 in 184 and is playable for every scenario in the game.
>>1892069Oh really? I swear I looked him up in some of the early scenarios and I couldn't find him until like the 200AD scenario.
I really like awakening, except for the fact that you HAVE to fight defense castles instead of just blockading them to death.
>>1892055Pretty boy vs absolute unit ojisan
Which Koei PC games have actual decent translations?
>>1892074for some reason I've discovered he's at the very bottom of the officer list when he's a free officer but he is there.Ofcourse shit like Nanmen's not appearing until its' Nanmen time or even lesser examples like Cai Mao not spawning until he's late 20's in 189 is stuff i think is really dumb restrictions, if the character is old enough, put them in.
>>1892983There's a cheat table for 8R that lets you alter status of officers now so if you really want to play as someone in any scenario you can
was rtk12 really never released in english?
https://www.youtube.com/watchv=aHWsAj1J29Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bIk8GpUfPA
>>1893251Damn, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWsAj1J29Y
>read more about actual 3K history>realize that yang yi did nothing wronganyone else?
>>1894310>defending a self serving traitor over the general that had successfully protected Shu-Han's most important border prefecture for over ten years while also serving as vanguard during military campaignsYang Yi cost Shu-Han its best general.
>Whenever they got into heated quarrels, Wei Yan often drew his sword and brandished it in front of Yang Yi, who sobbed as tears rolled down his cheeks.KWAB
>>1894329irl wei yan was just as much of a cunt if not more. also yang yi had legitimate reason to be pissed off at everything like getting passed over for promotion to zhuge liang's nepo babby jiang wan>>1894369never happened
>>1894547>never happened>Yang Yi wrote a memorial to the Shu imperial court and used emotionally charged language to express his frustration and lash out at the imperial court>Yang Yi committed suicidekek what a bitch
>>1894310Sorry, I'm a Wei Yan apologist. Sure he may be a cunt for disobeying orders and then cut off retreat path for the rest of the army, but at least he didn't plot secret plan to assassinate another person or slander that another person posthumously
I've never actually played a clan east/north of oda, whats fun up there? the area kinda feels barren to me because hojo/takeda/uesugi are so oppressive and dominating and date only becomes relevant way too late.
>>1895410Sanada is very fun, if a bit nigh impossible to expand because they are wedged between some of the most powerful clans in every scenario. The geographical advantage makes clan up north of Date like Tozawa and Nanbu pretty fun to play as up until you have to face the Hojo/Tokugawa.
>>1711176Whats the best uncharted water/new horizons game these days? Still the old genesis and snes ones?
>>1897052Not like there's any new option nowadays. There's that Origin game, but that's a gacha game so I imagine it being pretty bad.
>>1897065I have no idea I barely follow games nowadays there could've been 20 games since the mmo and I'd have 0 clue.Every once in awhile they release ROTK games on steam for way too much money and steam tries to sell it to me so I thought it was worthwhile to ask.Oh well, nevermind then.
>>1897067If you don't mind it not being a Koei game, Sailing Era is a good replacement. It's a chink knock-off, but it's pretty well done one, story sucks ass though.
>>1897074I know its stupid but I have a hard time installing chinese games on my computer. Bad enough installing jap ones.
>>1897076Ah no, I mean it's a Chinese made game, but it's available in English.https://store.steampowered.com/app/2161440/Sailing_Era/I personally don't have any technical issues with the game, but the comments on the store page say that there's plenty of it. Steam has a 2 hour refund policy so try it out and see if it works, you can always ask for a refund later.
>>1897079No no I understand. I'm saying I don't want to put chinese software on my computer kekI know its dumb they aren't all malicious nightmare creatures.
>>1897082Understandable. Then you're out of luck regarding new UW games then, unfortunately.
>>1897083Seems like that is the case, snes, genesis, or pc the best version? Is there a consensus? Need an "Open Uncharted Waters" port like RTC or TTD so we can mod the fuck out of it kek
>>1897084I've only played the SNES ages ago so that's the one I'd recommend. The first and second UW got ported to Steam a few years ago, but it's a straight port from the old PC release so I heard they have a few technical issues playing on modern hardware. So again, I don't think you have much options here.
>>1897085The gods seek to strike my wishes to the ocean.
