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>"I will never ask you to vote for me again!" - Park Chung-hee

Previous Thread: >>1644652
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>>1725421
I wish more mods followed their formula.
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>>1725421
Posting the Yockey codes again, since I'm pretty sure the last thread had the only repository of them on the internet.

>Code 1
https://pastes.io/duskut7kc5
>Code 2 (Yockey/Byers)
https://pastes.io/eqq2zfjujg
>Code 2 (Yockey/Madole)
https://pastes.io/f0srwslee7
>Code 2 (Yockey/Crommelin)
https://pastes.io/ljmqslviux
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>>1725522
I get white screen for some reason. Are the links dead?
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>astro is making a director's cut of End of History
Literally who cares? Its by far the blandest cyoa mod out there. If its creator didn't practically own the subreddit nobody would even know about its existence.
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>>1725851
The nicest thing I can say about EoH is that I kind of like what they were trying to do with the cyoa on wofford's side (how you answer question 2 sets your strategy, and depending how you answer later questions it can succeed or fail) but it's wasted on the empty, characterless writing.
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LMAOing at the fact I've so far found two ways to die in the Long campaign.
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>>1725522
>>1725746
Reuploaded them.
The image links don't work anymore, which is annoying, but otherwise it should be fine.
>Code 1
https://pastebin.ai/xrzypbmbhb
>Code 2 (Yockey/Byers)
https://pastebin.ai/dcdc2sr5d1
>Code 2 (Yockey/Madole)
https://pastebin.ai/lhigfxtoc2
>Code 2 (Yockey/Crommelin)
https://pastebin.ai/jb0pn914xu
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three left
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>>1726312
Let's hope Kerry is available as a candidate.
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>>1726275
For the images, you can try replacing every discordapp dot net/com link with discordapp dot xyz.
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>>1726416
It works.
Here's the updated codes if you don't wanna bother replacing the links.
https://gofile.io/d/WAgv9g
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>CE
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>>1726437
AD is used in the loss endings (oddly, including the ones where Cortez's agenda ultimately fails), and CE in the win endings.
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>>1726751
Huh, I never noticed that before. That's actually a pretty clever little touch.
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I have to side with QPQ on this one.
Whenever I check the subreddit, it'll have a post about some mundane campaign event, and all of the replies will be talking about how this spells doom for the candidate because they aren't appealing to the center enough.
They genuinely believe this to be a magical "win election" button.
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Is it even possible to win with Lindbergh as the running mate?
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>>1726782
my honest reaction
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>>1726782
QPQ's style (or the style of the team he's on) is only one step above what hes complaining about. The majority of the TCT community does indeed act like middle schoolers in that they think low effort edgy (or "cursed") jokes are funny and moderation is the key to politics, but the writing team behind PWH acts like a bunch of high schoolers that think establishment=bad and "u were the bad guy all along" is profound writing. Actual maturity is not taking a gay browser game and its minuscule community so seriously.
>Whenever I check the subreddit, it'll have a post about some mundane campaign event, and all of the replies will be talking about how this spells doom for the candidate because they aren't appealing to the center enough.
Like 99% of that is just overblown reactions to Trump's silly quotes. It doesn't represent an emphasis on appealing toward the center so much as it does a very specific reaction towards Trumpism. Pic very much related.
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>>1726792
It definitely is on an easier difficulty, on normal - maybe. You'd need great RNG
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>>1726782
Lol hes not actually making a statement about the community. Its just thinly veiled seething at Children of Dusk. Pic related is where he screenshotted a moment where you get told to kys by an advisor. God forbid you get a lil goofy with your mod every now and again, if you do the fun police will ban you from the community forever.
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>>1726830
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>>1726946
VGH finally matvre vvriting in my matvre political sim...
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>>1726792
Yes, you can win on Normal, just need good visits and probably RNG.
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You now remember 1948 Identity War
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>>1726437
>CEI
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>>1727491
Why is this guy the second most difficult candidate after Kennedy? Why is he so good?
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>>1727491
>>1727854
My guess is that it's related to that "credibility" score.
You get Byrd when you invade Iraq and have max credibility, and Gephardt when you invade Iraq and have min credibility.
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>>1727491
What mod is this?
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>>1728336
it's a teaser for a coming W. update
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>>1728362
I really fucking want them to have Kerry.
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Are there scenarios that you wish were completed and/or needs rework?
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Favourite mod? Does your choice when playing as the USSR in the first turn of TEoH 96 do anything?
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>>1729493
I think it supposed change questions you get later on but I think it's broken.
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>>1728521
I want them and their dev team to die
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1976TFC just dropped, sneed it or feed it?
https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1c4hy4s/1976tfc_v10_live/
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>>1729582
I appreciate it for actually having both candidates playable, and not just being a 1 player candidate vs. historical candidate mod where you are destined to beat the historical candidate.
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>>1729582
The foreign lore gets really wacky, and Reagan feels more like Nixon at some points, but I liked it.
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>>1729924
>Reagan
Was he actually a good leader?
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>>1729582
Reaganwank that doesn't understand Reagan. Not terrible, but not particularly interesting, especially given that its premise had potential.
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>>1729936
No. Reagan is a no good fake conservative RINO faggot cuck who's responsible for some of the worst gun control laws in American history, who killed Rhodesia and South Africa with sanctions, and who grant blanket amnesty to millions of illegal niggers and spics turning them into democrat voters. Fuck him.
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>>1729940
A lot of the shortcomings Reagan would've had if his presidency were in the Nixon era are just completely written out by reverse character assassinating him.
Either that, or through the full-scale war between the Soviet Union and PRC that seemingly only happens to make his foreign policy more successful.
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Is it possible to stay as Pete Wilson in TEoH 96?
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1960 Kennedy
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>>1731036
Yes.
>>1731929
What's the point of this scenario?
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>>1732296
The point of view is Bobby the campaign manager, not the candidate himself. Also it's a sneaky prequel to 1964 Scoop. Also a shitty W. reference with the father hating his sons (although this one I pulled out of my ass I have no idea whether it's a reference or if Joseph Kennedy Sr. actually hated his children).
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>>1732305
>During Robert's childhood, his father dubbed him the "runt" of the family and wrote him off; focusing greater attention on his two eldest sons, Joseph Jr., and John. Kennedy's mother Rose found his gentle personality endearing, but this made him "invisible to his father." She influenced him heavily and, like her, Robert became a devout Catholic, practicing his faith more seriously than his siblings over his lifetime. Joe Sr. was satisfied with Robert as an adult, believing him to have become "hard as nails", more like him than any of the other children, while his mother believed he exemplified all she had wanted in a child.
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>>1725421
If you guys could make a scenario what would it be?
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>>1734318
I'm a HOI4 autist so something from one of its alt-history mods. How do you mod scenarios, anyway?
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>>1734318
1932 scenario where Hoover is the last hope against Father Coughlin.
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bonus
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Would Hillary even been a good president?
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>>1734318
Me and some discord brony are very slowly making a Ron Paul 08 mod.
The core mechanic of it is that depending on if Ron Paul moderates his anti war positions, or doubles down on them, Obama reacts and changes his foreign policy stance.

So it could be radical pacifist Obama vs Paul, a three way election between a hardcore pacifist splinter and a wishy washy Paul and Barack, or a peacenik Paul vs a warmonger Obama.
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>>1734699
She would have been worse than George Bush. She'd be the number one world wide war criminal and doom this country
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>>1734765
Sanders please.
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>>1734699
Fuck no.
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>>1734815
Explain how.
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>>1734821
She was and is one of the biggest war hawks in the entire country, and domestically she didn't advocate for anything which would have actually helped people.

She would have virtue signaled about progressivism a lot. But only about feminism and gay rights, shit which doesn't actually help the poor or require money to do.
In 2016 she wanted to place a no fly zone over Syria, which could have caused war between either Russia, Assad, or Iran, or maybe all three.
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>>1734692
>No Kerry
It's over.
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W is a bad mod made by even worse people
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>>1734699
No, not at all. She would have been another Bush / Obama, which is to say completely subservient to the war machine in all ways. Given how aggressive she was towards Russia and her intentions of turning Syria into another Iraq / Afghanistan style Forever War, her victory would have probably brought the biggest thread of World War III since the Cuban Missile Crisis. I'm no Trump cultist, but this dumb bitch was a threat to humanity as a whole, and the Democrat's biggest mistake in years was nominating her. Even Biden would have been a better choice at the time.
>Verification not required.
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>>1735062
>the biggest thread of World War III
*biggest threat of WWIII, sorry
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>>1734996
basado y redpilledo
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>>1734996
Mechanically its one of the best out there. Writing wise, its incredibly gay. A mod with the same mechanics, and writing that isn't just baby's first subversion would be great.
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Bob Dole '88 just dropped on CTS.
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I love how this one ad is so savage that airing it is enough to literally nuke Dukakis back to the stone age.
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>>1735164
W is the honest opinion of the devs coated by a thin layer of satire to deflect all and every opinion. The only funny thing about that mod is how when Bush was leaving office, the average dev of W was like 4 ~ 6 years old, barely old enough to be sapient. Their hatred for Bush is just yearning to LARP.
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>>1735384
Like I get thinking that Dubya was one of our worse presidents, I'd have to agree. But the personal vendetta is quite odd, given that I doubt any of the devs (bar maybe one or two) is old enough to actually have a personal connection to the administraition.

I'm a young man, 21 turning 22 in a few months, so I only remember Dubya as a figure of my early childhood. So the only personal connection I have is positive.
Even if, rationally and historically, I think he was a disaster.
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>>1735456
>he was a disaster.
How?
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>>1735596
Do you have anything valuable to say or are you just here to shit up the thread with vapid low-effort questions that can be answered with 10 minutes of googling?
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>>1735624
Hi and okay Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan.
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pwh and W. are both overrated af imo. They're technically impressive, but the writing sucks
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>>1735596
Bush?
Well look at how his nation building panned out. We spent ten trillion dollars, give or take, on setting up democracies, but all we did was piss money away.
Worse than money, lives.

Iraq was a war fought for lies, if our goal was just to remove the dictator of Saddam, then why not use the CIA like cold war times.
4,500 American children died for nothing in Iraq. Tens of thousands came home fucked up mentally for life.
Tens of thousands committed suicide as a result of PSTD, their lives stolen from then, and their families scared forever.

That's ignoring the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, all of them innocent given that it was a war waged on the lies of WMDs.
Or the deaths associated with the rise of ISIS which was a result of the retarded war.
Or the deaths that came from the terrorist actions caused by ISIS.

That alone puts him in a league with the presidents who led to the civil war, or Woodrow Wilson as some of the worst leaders we have ever had.
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>>1734699
Politics would be frozen in the last two years of Obama's presidency up until COVID.
COVID would give her a boost, but I'm not sure it'd be enough to win.
Would be below average.
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>>1735779
Who would be the republican candidate?
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>>1735785
It's very up in the air.
The Republican primaries would be a clusterfuck as bad as 2016's.
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>>1735714
The criticism of W. is fair, but what's wrong with PWH's writing in particular? I didn't come across any particular screen that made me cringe.
>>1735779
Why do you think COVID would benefit the incumbent?
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Has anyone tried 68 Too Right (Romney)? Is it supposed to be difficult?
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>>1735196
Why did you lied?
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>>1736648
I have. Yeah it's a pretty hard mod.
I played with with cheats enabled, picking the best answers, and I couldn't get a great lead
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>>1736670
I was pretty drunk last night and didn't notice that I clicked "save custom mod" instead of "play custom mod" so I thought someone else put it on the mod loader instead of me.
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>>1736648
Yes. It also uses CYOA too so some decisions you make early in can either bite you in the ass later or help you depending on what ypu chose.
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>>1735714
The writings at least engaging, I fucking hate the 1990s mods who act like a neo-lib vs neo-con election is exciting somehow.
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>>1734763
Whose the pacifist splinter? Ralph Nader again?
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How do you usually play this game? I hate how sometimes what happens after a choice is almost impossible to predict. I usually choose a president and VP, then if I lose either
>Give up if I don't like the scenario
>Replay with the same party and VP immediately if I like the scenario
>Replay with the same party and VP in a few days if the scenario is just good enough
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>>1738568
This is how I play
>difficulty level: cakewalk
>open console
>optrng on
>answerhints on
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>>1738568
Just select good, liberal responses that will surely motivate your base.
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CTS or NCT?
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>>1738899
CTS any day, it's just so much more modern & well-designed that you'd actually have to be stupid to use NCT
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>>1738256
Probably Kucinich
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Nice North vs South results here
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>>1739684
Is it even possible to win a Long?
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>>1739788
I don't know. How many times have you tried? If you get assassinated, other Dems can win. FYI it's basically impossible to win as Landon in the default 1936 so I did this as an alternative.
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>Trying to figure out a map problem for my mod where the error messages are absolutely opaque & there's 0 documentation
Coding for TCT is surprisingly flexible but man is it pure spaghetti sometimes
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>>1738899
NCT is way better by the sole reason that you can the enter key to answer a question.
Why does CST not have this?
Also BIGSHOT is way easier to use UI-wise than the benefit checker window.
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>>1738256
I don't think we've decided.
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>>1740344
I thought that hadn't come out yet
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>>1740471
Apparently some people got early access.
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>>1740344
That's a fun ending slide.
Given that Bush won the popular vote massively and came close to winning in general, I'm guessing it's really hard to lose to Byrd. Which makes sense.
It probably should be possible to win every state + DC against him.

It seems we have changes to the third parties.
RFK Jr. is a new right wing splinter. Interesting.
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>>1740851
Did the update come out?
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>>1740856
It will come out tomorrow.
I guess since it's so close to release, a tester of a dev gave this thread specifically a sneak peak to increase interest.
They did that before when they released the Byrd DNC question in the previous TCT thread on this board before the reddit and maybe even the discord.
I'm not on the discord so I can't speak to that.
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>>1740865
>a tester of a dev gave this thread specifically a sneak peak to increase interest.
Lol I found it on the reddit yesterday and saved the image before the thread got deleted
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1ce21qj/ai_loses_to_byrd_in_w/
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>>1740851
I think one of the devs said that Byrd starts out with basically no support but starts building momentum after he wins the primary. Hes probably Sharpton tier, where its easy to landslide him, but even in the best case he manages to hold onto at least a few solid states.
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>>1741031
I'm guessing whatever path allows you to get Byrd results in Bush getting hit with some issues during the election campaign that hurt his support and make Byrd more viable, at least in the electorial college.
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Which candidate are you gonna go for first in W+?
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>>1741593
Byrd, I wanna see his screens
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>>1741593
Byrd. Honestly the rest aren't that interesting. Hart is basically diet Tedward and Gephardt seems like Lieberman with a sprinkling of Hildawg. Clark could be good, just depends on how hes designed.
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>>1741593
Definitely Byrd. Then after him the military guy.
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I often enough see questions with 3 of the same answer and 1 unique answer. Does this mean anything?
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>>1742091
They have different effects, usually one of them is beneficial while the rest are detrimental.
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>>1742091
Those are 'RNG' questions. Used most often for debates. While the answers look identical, they have different outcomes, so you have to gamble to see if you got the good outcome or not.
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Great day for a lot of annoying people on twitter and reddit
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>>1742211
and for me
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How the Hell do you get Byrd? Fucking impossible.
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>if you visit Israel in W you get redirected to a site to donate to Palestine

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>1742485
my honest reaction
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>>1742485
I hope someone make a mod with an option about aiding Palestine that redirects to a site that immediately downloads a crypto miner
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>>1742456
this guy made a guide
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1cfhx6g/how_to_get_and_crush_byrd_in_w/
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>>1742485
I hate Israel as much as anyone else but this is just fucking autistic.
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>larger and more deadly guns
Did an 8 year old write this?
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>>1742590
Entirely possible.
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>the ending where Byrd prints a 1 trillion dollar platinum coin without telling anyone, then whips it out in a press conference and says "big daddy’s got a big coin" to btfo congress
Byrd is so cool its unreal. The whole mod should've been about him
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>>1742636
For me it was Santorum seething
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>>1742636
the byrd side is easily the best part of the mod, his ending where he pisses everyone off during war by not shutting up about roman warfare is peak
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>>1742590
ESLs wrote this.
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Props to the W devs for finally accomplishing what the mod failed to do before and making me root against Bush. In the timeline where Byrd became the nominee I'd enthusiastically be a Democrat voter.
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>>1742636
He notably also balances the budget and revives the Southern Democrats as a thing. He kind of goes further and revives the New Deal Coalition. He’s the real “Democrat wank” ending.
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Anyone knows how to get WW3?
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>>1742933
There's one with Clark, when you piss off Russia and China
There's another one where GW triggers it while facing off against Ted kennedy
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>>1742933
Apparently there's three ways. Although I don't know the specific answers you need to get them.
>With Clark
Have high jingoism (foreign policy SotU + NYT leak) and then pick the questions which you compete to see who's stronger on foreign policy with Clark, then lose to him.
>With Sharpton
Do certain options (I don't know them) which make Cheney form a shadow government against Bush while going against Sharpton.
>With Kennedy
I think you need to do stuff regarding India, visiting there and getting Pakistan to take in more refugees.
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>>1742590
>Even larger
lol
as if the deadliness of a gun is based on physical size.
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>>1742590
It feels like most of the new questions are like that one where you tout a policy and the feedback says it's bad actually.
Was charming when it was just one (I am a lib, admittedly), but it gets grating really fast.
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>>1742590
>Did an 8 year old write this?
There is an 8 year old on the dev team and his name is Ettingermentum.
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https://old.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1ch15vu/the_obamanation_coming_at_some_point_actually/

as a huge Mouths of the South fanboy I'm unironically hyped for this (it's going to be by the same writer)
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>>1744760
Mouth of the South was fun as fuck, I hope it comes out.
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>>1744760
This is a nice surprise since a few days ago I think I saw him tease it with a post called "The Obamanation. Coming Never."
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>>1745061
>An althis mod where Gore won 2000 and is running for reelection in 2004
Not a bad idea actually, since he was less interventionist than Bush and the whole Green thing would be controversial then even if 9/11 happened.
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>>1744760
Mouths of the South made me realize a playable Vince McMahon mod would be amazing
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Has there ever been a running mate from failed election becoming president?
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>>1745482
FDR was the Democratic nominee for vice president in 1920
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>>1745313
It's come up before I feel, but never got made. It would be pretty fun, I feel him going up against Clintion in 1996 would be interesting.
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>>1746188
>1996
Wasn't he nearing bankruptcy at that time?
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W's WW3 jumps the shark. Going in on Bashar/Iran/Venezuela/Best Korea worked much better as a final escalation of America's wars. Not to mention the gay post-apocalyptic endings that are right out of TNO (ha ha future civilizations think that laptops were religious artifacts do you geeeeeet it???). Clark's ending where American troops get sent to like 13 foreign conflicts works much better as a dark jingoistic ending.
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>>1747250
I only like the Bush one desu.
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>>1725421
Are there scenarios that you guys are hopeful? I'll start with this. https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/17w0to0/mod_announcement_19171918_russian_provisional/?rdt=61660
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>>1747250
It feels somewhat unnecessary. But not too crazy.
It meets the concept of the mod being this 2006 resist lib editorialist lens.

>Bush, without his staff, can be a moron and cause WW3 with China
>Clark, in a jingoistic America, can start WW3 with Russia
>Cheney, given that he's evil in the mind of the narrator, starts WW3 of tensions with Russia are high enough
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>>1747355
I agree honestly. It's gay and retarded, but it's consistent with the internal logic of the mod. There are plenty of things W fairly deserves to be criticized for, but this isn't one of them.
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>>1747421
W. Doesn't present a real world version of George Bush though. It's all about the image he gave off in the minds of those who hated him.
The real George Bush had a great relationship with his father, he was an intelligent man who impressed leaders like Vladimir Putin, and while hawkish and idealistic, he had an stable and comprehensive foreign policy platform.

But to the minds of the anti-Dubya left, he was a bumbling idiot, a stooge and a puppet to Cheney and Rummy, and a dangerous actor on the world's stage.
Each WW3 ending plays into a misunderstanding of George Bush
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I discovered this game similar to the campaign trail about 1930's germany, if any of you want to give it a shot.

https://red-autumn.itch.io/social-democracy

It's about controlling the German SDP and attempting to stabilize the country and prevent fascism.
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>>1747250
The war with China ending felt like I was reading nu-SCP
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>>1748476
Prevent fascism? Why would I ever want to do that?
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>>1734318
1988. Young charismatic governor of Washington State, Ted Bundy, attempts to revive Rockefeller Republicanism on a national level. Meanwhile, rumors regarding his youth begin to emerge during the campaign.
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>>1748928
>young
Wouldn't Ted Bundy have been like 42 in 1988
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>>1749250
42 is young in politics.
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>>1748928
What would been fall out if he had won the presidency?
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>>1749277
English motherfucker, do you speak it?
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>>1749290
Yes but do you?
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>>1749277
Western Beria
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>>1748476
I played it, it's pretty fun but I wish the endings were more detailed.
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This game made me realize how fucking soulless american politics are.
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>>1749353
So a chad.
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>>1734318
1960 Joseph Kennedy Jr. vs. Richard Milhouse Nixon.
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>>1751055
I feel like Nixon would have had a better shot at being able to beat Joe Jr. than JFK. Joe Jr.'s stuff with Germany would have probably bit him in the ass in 1960.
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>>1751055
>>1751209
Does Joe Jr. put in the effort to get MLK released from prison in 1960 like JFK did? If not there's a real chance of Nixon winning the black vote that year as King's father had publicly supported him before changing his mind after JFK intervened
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>>1751209
>probably bit him in the ass
Wouldn't the fact that Joe Jr. being a war hero migrated that?
>>1751250
I don't think so.
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>>1751250
>Republicans can win the black vote, guys! We just need to pander more!
sixty years of this shit ffs
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Bidenwank mod releases tomorrow
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1cnm6oo/incumbent_biden_1992_big_deal_is_releasing/
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>>1751595
I liked it :(
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>Bidenwank
Think you might've spoke too soon
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>>1751595
>it's straight-up a lefty hit piece that ends with links to donate to palestyne and vote uncomitted
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ANNOUNCEMENT: WE HAD TO MOVE OUR WEBSITE! SEE HERE FOR MORE INFO.
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>>1734318
1980 Betty Ford vs. Ronald Reagan it takes place after Gerald Ford assassination in 76 alternative do Republican primary with assassination mention.
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The old Gerald Ford assassination mod was pretty decent when it came out. It's a shame it never got an update or followup.
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Something I've only just now noticed about 1968 Romney is that you can only choose this answer to Q17 with Kirk (who's much further right on civil rights than Romney) as your running mate. With anyone else it's instead just a generic statement about Johnson's corruption with no mention of civil rights. With every new playthrough I keep finding different subtle things like that that change with your veep selection. It's really making me appreciate the mod, I sincerely don't know of any other campaign that gives the vice presidents so much personality.
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>>1751824
Never understood the Victory ending.
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>>1751438
Eisenhower got pretty close to doing so in 1956 after enforcing Brown. It wasn't as solidly in the Democratic camp then as now.
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L M A O
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>>1751901
>>1751936
I'm laughing so hard I can't breathe, holy fuck
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>>1751595
>>1751936
Holy shit, an actual good bait and switch. Fucking hilarious.
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>>1751595
The mental acrobatics of redditors is something to behold
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>>1751595
2000N but good
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>>1751852
In real life, Rockefeller died of a heart attack while, allegedly, his personal aide Megan Marshack was giving him a blowjob.
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>>1751992
I can taste the cope from here
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>>1751994
Pretty sure the 22nd amendment would have prevented Rocky from running. Why would George Romney ever agree to be a running mate? Also who would be the democratic candidate for the 1980 election?
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>>1751992
How's Trump evil again?
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>>1751992
>make a leftist hit piece on Biden by depicting him as dementia-ridden retard whose mind is 30 years in the past that ends in a guide to donate to the victims of "Genocide Joe" under the guise of pro-biden links
>retarded redditor still thinks this mod is pro-Biden
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>>1752013
All politicians are evil. If you ever think that there's some special politician who's a good guy looking out for you, you're as cringe as the predditor we're making fun of here.
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>>1752036
The primary distinction between the redditor and the modmaker is that they are both progressive lefties, but the ideological difference is that one concentrates on "kindess" aka being "wholesome 100" while the other focuses on continual angry seething.
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I'm a right-winger so I don't give two shits about all this leftist infighting bullcrap, but if this mod is pissing redditors off it must be doing something right.
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God this guy is really seething about Biden.
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>>1752011
He would only fill in for a bit more than a year, that'd give him two possible full terms.
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>>1752048
>>1752051
>leftist
These people aren't lefties. They defend the corrupt political bourgeoisie and the interests of the big corporations (BLM, LGTBABCDEF and other woke shit are financed and promoted by them to: 1. Make money off of it and 2. Redirect the revolutionary energy of the youth and working class towards meaningless "issues" to keep them controlled and away from the real ones). There's nothing leftist about that. These people are playing right into the hands of the elite and they don't know it.
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>>1752155
They're leftist because they believe everyone has equal capabilities and that anyone believing otherwise should be unpersoned. don't cloud the issue
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>>1751992
The whole reddit thread is a gold mine. I can’t belive how many of them have actually convinced themselves that Biden just has a stutter (and that the media is against Biden lmao).
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>>1752218
>they believe everyone has equal capabilities
That's not being leftist, that's being naive.
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>>1751994
Famously described as
>Nelson thought he was coming, but he was going
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>>1751993
Unironiclly, it does the "something feels off here" with its questions better than 2000N did.
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>>1751994
>Nelson dies in office due to a blow job
>The US has gone through 4 different President ls between 1972-1980
Man, that's gotta cause some kind of clusterfuck
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>>1752343
Who would been a good Vice President for Rocky?
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>>1752338
I think toning down the stutter would've sold the hook better.
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>>1752155
>>1752218
>>1752241
Look, I'm just gonna call a spade a spade.
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I just read this great article about 1976's race, I didn't know that Ford had a mixed stance on the Soviets. One of the first times a minor debate gaffe became a major issue.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240509094616/https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/05/09/1976-election-gerald-ford-jimmy-carter-00155322
It really goes into depth about how, if Ford won the election, all of the pain and anger from the rampant inflation that took down Carter would do the same to Ford, and we might not have had Reagan in '80. Is there a good '80 election scenario where Ford won?
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>>1752447
Pretty sure there's no scenario 80 election where Ford won.
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>>1752155
Yeah but they still think they're leftists.
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>>1752426
That is true, so called leftists can tolerate pro corporate or even pro capitalistic beliefs as long as they tread the course on social retardation and 'wokeness.'
The western, especially American, left has been cucked out of old school class consciousness and into purely being a social libertarian wing of capitalism.

Interestingly, the inverse is happening in the right.
Now you can basically support outright class warfare and redistributionism as long as you are against these social movements.
Allowing the awkward mix of "left conservatives" to become a real thing.
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>>1752447
>Is there a good '80 election scenario where Ford won?
A mod is currently in development, but the candidates are going to be Sargent Shriver for the Democrats and Charles Mathias for the Republicans, with Jesse Helms running third party
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>>1752520
"PatSocs" are a myth, and as much of lolcowdom as'MAGACommunism'
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>>1752447
1980 with Ford having won would probably be Reagan vs Ted Kennedy.
Reagan would lose, since the GOP would be unpopular from inflation and America would be tired of Republican rule.

He wouldn't lose as bad as Carter did, but he would still lose.
So instead of the 80s being Reaganomics, there would be a return to the 60s model of New Dealerism
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>>1752529
Even in 2016 it was crazy to think a Republican could openly be pro union or support things like raising the minimum wage or call for trust busting and anti monopoly action or to even be anti big business.
Now those are totally acceptable policies for GOP members.

While full on PatSocs or PatCons are rare, they are becoming more common and accepted then before.
I don't see why they won't become a significant flank in future decades.
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>>1752523
Do you have any proof?
>>1752541
>return to the 60's model of New Dealerism
Is that good?
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>>1752551
Words and actions are two different things, and intentions matter alot more when it comes to 'anti big business'. Being against Disney because they underpay their employees, steal their labor and generally go hard on anti-union behavior is definitely not in the same camp as "I hate disney because they're woke."

the first want reform, the second will start clapping if Disney as much as puts out a short featuring a 'cartoony cowboy with a bbgun'
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>>1752559
>proof
It's been getting regular updates for the last three months
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1cau29j/update_on_1980jerry_fame_money_and_bitches/
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>>1752393
It'd have to be some kind of conservative or conservative friendly to balance the ticket if Rockefeller is leading it. I doubt Reagan would want the VP slot, so I'm not super sure what kind of conservative would get the slot.
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>>1752523
>>1752587
Why the fuck would Shriver be the nominee?
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>>1752568
I think we're going to see a lot of Midwestern pro-union (or union friendly) Republicans start to pop up as the whole "Pro-Business" wing of the GOP splits over the immigration issue between Big Business and Small Business sides, with the Small Business Anti-Immigrant siding with the Midwestern Reps who are at least Union friendly to kick out the more Pro-Immagrant Reps who are Pro-Big Business. It's not happened fully yet but the fact it's even being talked about is really noticeable.
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>>1752604
Would the following been acceptable to the conseratives? senator Robert Dole, senator John Tower, Representor Guy Vander Jagt, or Ambassador Anne L. Armstrong
>>1752606
Why is that a problem?
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>>1752559
>Is that good?
Well, we'd have better healthcare. And our unions would be stronger, which probably would make the middle class stronger by today.
We may also be bankrupt, or have inflation so bad the US is like Argentina.

So idk.
It depends on your personal economic views
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>>1752617
>Why is that a problem?
In the Democratic roster for 1980, Shriver would be such a minor figure that it's very unbelievable that he would win.

In real life Ted Kennedy won 13 out 50 contests against incumbent president Jimmy Carter in the Democratic primaries in 1980.
Even outside of Teddy Kennedy, there was Jerry Brown, Walter Mondale, John Glenn, all of these people far more politically relevant and popular than Sargent Shriver.
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>>1752611
Big business and small business have similar class interests in keeping wages low though. If Unions manage to get wage hikes, it puts pressures on smaller businesses to offer similarly competitive salaries: Between flipping burgers for 18$ at McDonalds and flipping the same patties for 12$ at 'Joe's burger'', the choice is clear for the workers on the bottom of the totem pole. Both win from opposing reforms, keeping workers in debt and above all, fighting for unemployement: Job scarcity is good for business.
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>>1752626
>Teddy Kennedy, there was Jerry Brown, Walter Mondale, John Glenn
Would any one of them would have been good presidents?
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>>1752632
Probably yeah.
They were all competent and experienced people.
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>>1752626
How about Jesse Jackson?
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>>1752633
Could they even beat Reagan?
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>>1752641
In a hypothetic scenario where Ford won in 76, I think so.

While Reagan was charismatic, his appeal in 1980 was based on America having dealt with four years of bad time under a Democratic presidency.
He famously campaigned on the question "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"
If Ford was in charge, he couldn't make those points

Instead Democrats could say "The economy was fantastic from 1961-1969 when we were in charge, now the GOP have led for 11 years and our economy is terrible.
And thus won the voter most concerned about money.
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>>1752647
Which democrat candidate do you think would been the president?
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>>1752606
>Why the fuck would Shriver be the nominee?
Because the mod maker decided to allow reddit to vote for the nominees
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1b9ygnb/1980jerry_fame_money_and_bitches_democratic/
>>1752626
Kennedy wasn't an option, but Gary Hart, Jerry Brown, Hugh Carey and Reubin Askew all stood out in front of Shriver as potential options.
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>>1752676
>Because the mod maker decided to allow reddit to vote for the nominees
Fucking hell, of course.
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I just found out that the reason W. comes across like it is written by a 2000s resist lib, and is so over-the-top about hating Dubya, isn't because it was written like Don Quixote with a unnamed biased narrator.

Instead the guys who made that mod are just delusional leftists. Who genuinely believe that George Bush had daddy issues, and that his whole admin was for the sole purpose of trying to impress his father.
The creators are self described 'assholes' who have intentionally bullied various conservative mod makers out of the 'community'

I still like the mod. But the creators are these really immature and seemingly miserable people.
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>>1752683
Why the fuck do they keep doing it? When randos are allowed to vote on which direction mod makers should take it always ends up being pure AIDS.
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>>1752036
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1copjas/this_community_and_reading_comprehension/

I love that someone took it upon themselves to write a ginormous wall of text to explain this.
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>>1752730
Marge, I'm confused.
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>>1752676
Should've been Gary Hart. A Ford beats Carter timeline is his best chance at becoming President
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>>1752766
>Gary Hart
Problem is that he was tad young and had to run for senate of Colorado.
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>>1752771
>tad young
In 1980 he was 44, two years older than Theodore Roosevelt when he became President and one year older than JFK
>had to run for senate of Colorado.
Gary Hart had already been elected to the senate in 1974. He'd already had 5 years of experience by this point. He's the first option listed in that link >>1752676
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>>1752773
Who would even been his running mate? Wasn't he an Atari democrat and how would his presidency even look like?
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>>1752732
It's an overly long post saying that people seem to be misreading pretty obvious elements of various mods.
The first part goes over how people list one of the options in W regarding a SCOTUS decision on gay marriage as being "pro gay" when it isn't, it is just less firefly anti gay than the other answer for that question.
The rest of the post goes over how the new Biden mod is being seen as pro-Biden when it is clearly and evidently supposed to be anti Biden.

More interestingly a creator of W. outted himself as a retarded leftie who genuinely believed that Bush Jr was a retarded oaf with daddy issues, that America is inherently a white supremacist nation, and that he is an asshole who hates everyone with opinions different than his.
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>>1752791
>who genuinely believed that Bush Jr was a retarded oaf with daddy issues
Out of everything he could believe, that's legit fucking stupid because it means he thinks old liberal satire (think SNL or John Stewart) is totally real and not obvious fake bullshit. The other shit is just normal of his type.
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>>1752791
>More interestingly a creator of W. outted himself as a retarded leftie
Source? I think his reddit account got deleted.
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>>1752776
Probably a more established friendly canadite from the east or south to balance the ticket.
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>>1753057
>Source? I think his reddit account got deleted.
His account is still up but one of the mods deleted a bunch of his posts like pic related
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>>1753074
Didn't Midnight only die out because the creator was being harassed, while Red died out because people did a deep preening of the creator's other social accounts?
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>>1753057
He deleted most of his comments but I was there, so I still remember it. I know 'dude trust me bro' isn't a good source, but you can see some of the posts which replied to him. I got into an argument with him on there, so I have some of what he said and later deleted.

On another thread, when people were talking about the narrator, or in-universe creator of W. he said
>"there is no in-universe creator"
When I asked him about the narration he said
>"The mod is from the perspective of Bush." When I clarified that people meant the adviser feedback and the intro slides he said
>"That is just a third person view to explain Bush's worldview."
Meaning the ridiculously partisan introduction slides and often comically left wing adviser feedback was seen by user/Nixon1960 as just an objective view of reality.

He also said
>"My issue with [the midnight mods] is that America is inherently a white supremacist nation and so [George Lincoln Rockwell becoming president] wouldn't change anything since 90% of the people who Americans would vote for would be white supremacist.
So he's a retarded commie who thinks that America can never change or whatever.
Those people I always find goofy since they've never been right. They always say change will never happen, that things will never improve unless they have their revolution or whatever - and then improve.
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>>1753081
Yep.
And he said when someone brought that up
>Why should I care?
So he's like fully in on cancel culture and whatnot.
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>>1753081
>Didn't Midnight only die out because the creator was being harassed
The person who harassed the creator of Midnight over "da creator is a nazee" WAS Nixon1960 aka Mangolith
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>>1752927
He gave a justification for why he believes that despite all of the evidence to the contrary by saying
>HW Bush hit his kids
When, HW was a fucking WW2 vet. Of course he hit his kids, everyone did back then. There's a reason why Homer Simpson strangled Bart, because corporal punishment was so common back then that it was only a slight exaggeration to have Homer strangle his son, and it fit Homer's role as the stereotypical dad.
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>>1753101
Me, an actual white supremacist, looking for institutional support for my ideology in America:
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Mango? Isn't that the TNO guy with the open BNWO fetish?
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>>1753286
Yes, Mango is a TNO dev and a lead writer for the 72d/PHW/W gang
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No malarkey!
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>>1753328
>>1753286
No shit!
So the same fucking guy who's running TNO into the ground, removing everything that's fun and memorable about it for realism and scope creep, trying to remove actual gameplay for horrible decisions tab 'mini games' is the same guy who's a jackass on TCT?

You have to wonder how someone can be so familiar with 20th century history and still be a retarded commie.
The 20th century is a story of communism rising and then completely failing while all of the problems they said the capitalist west, the old institutions of the US constitution or various European parliaments couldn't ever solve - were all solved by said governments without the help of commies.
How do do you still believe in doomerist horseshit about 'muh bourgeois' and tout socialist revolution after all of that?
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>>1752529
"MAGA Communism" was just that Stump guy's shorthand for "nationalise the property of rich liberals and alphabet soup corporations and give it to Patriots" before Infrahaz created whatever ungodly thing it is now
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>>1752773
>In 1980 he was 44... one year older than JFK
Senator, I knew Jack Kennedy, I served with Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a close personal friend of mine. You, Senator, are no Jack Kennedy.
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>>1753381
That fact this guy seems to be running some kind of weird politicsperg shit in both HoI4 and TCT is amazing, he's actively trying to make things more boring for the two different games by trying to cancel people he doesn't like or who think his ideas aren't that good, which will result in stagnation
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>>1753397
Quayle was three years younger, you dipshit
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>The one Ron Paul ending for TEoH were everything is le bad!
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>>1752676
>>1752626
Forgetting about Lloyd Bentsen are we?
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>m-m-muh apologia!!!!
Holy mother of seethe.
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>>1753381
He isn't a commie, is he?
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>>1754743
Sounds like it. I wonder what countries he plays on TNO, it's a good way to see what kind of a politisperg he is
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>>1754806
He's leading a USA rework that's just the most soulless, OTLslop possible. Removed the NPP, the sole unique thing about TNO's USA, and the only truly interesting president is Nixon solely because they go all in on the slander and make it so he can somehow become president for life by winning all the proxy wars
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>>1754731
>QuoProSquid
It's both sad and amusing that he can't just stop seething about Nixon whenever he has an opportunity to do it
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A figure from West Virginia who's willing to be on your ticket.
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>>1754812
He's that fucking guy?
Oh my God.
America is one of the few nations with full and quality content, but since it isn't 'muh realistic' he's going to redo all of that?
If the fucking TNO people would get their heads out of their asses for one second, they should know it's better to make new content than get bogged down in rework hell.

Sure the NPP is odd. That's the point.
It makes the setting more unique, it makes TNOtl USA politics different from just Democrat vs Republican (also we all know they're going to make every single Republican evil, so even that choice will be lame)
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>>1754860
>it makes TNOtl USA politics different from just Democrat vs Republican
Not really, the NPP are just slightly more radical democrats. That's the biggest problem with the NPP, it doesn't feel like a unique party and instead of fix it they prefer to outright remove it. But I disgress, this is thread is about TCT, not TNO.
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Why did the showcase move?
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>>1754886
Cause Github said there was too much traffic and claimed they were putting a strain on the website.
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which mod allows you to be a lolbert in 2016/2020
I wanna be the funny gary johnson man or funny anime grandma
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>play as al gore and take an alternative, more moderate/centrist view on america
>get fucked in the ass by bush
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>>1734318
A cyoa as Vice President elect Lyndon Johnson after JFK gets assassinated by Richard Pavlick.
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>>1754969
have you been reading Jeff Greenfield?
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>>1755027
Know nothing about his work is it any good? Just a documentary that I watch years ago called What if...? Armageddon 1962. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuMXMtMxBe0
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>>1754812
>>1754860
That explains so much about W unironically.
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>>1754829
Is he every right?
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>>1755041
he has a book "Then Everything Changed" with three counterfactual history scenarios for US elections: JFK assassinated by Pavlick, Bobby Kennedy survives Sirhan Sirhan's gunshot in 1968, and Gerald Ford avoids his debate gaffe and wins in 1976. It's not bad.
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>>1754860
Aside from the absolute foundational building blocks of the setting itself, how much of the original TNO lore is still in game at this point?
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>>1755099
Very little as it's constantly being changed as it gets developed, those changes ranging from large reworks to small details.
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>>1755099
The only things which are the same is what hasn't been updated since launch, which - granted - is a lot.
Assuming the mod stays alive and in active development to rework what they want to rework, nothing will be the same except the foundations of it being a post WW2 scenario where the Axis have a full victory and America is still around.
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>>1754946
There actually is a 2016 Gary Johnson mod.
https://github.com/Zigtec27/2016Gary/tree/main

Fair warning it's unfinished (the mod author hasn't released it because Bill Weld is currently the only playable VP) but what's there is a playable route.
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>>1734699
If that happened the war in ukraine mightve started five years earlier
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>>1734318
2028 election Melina Trump, Jake Paul, Kanye West, and Rob Dyrdek.
>>1752626
What's the appeal of Ted Kennedy and Jerry Brown?
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>>1756175
>Maybe I'm biased
they're beginning to become self aware
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>>1756175
Was Harry Potter any good? Also who Jesse Ventura?
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>>1756181
I haven't read it since I was a kid (12 years ago roughly, I'm 24 now) and I haven't read past book 4 so I have barely enough memories of it to form a valid opinion, so no comment
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>>1756175
Why is it always a fucking troon?
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>>1756181
It's a decent pre-teen book. As long as you don't start to obsess over it is not something I would stop anyone from reading.
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Is winning the popular vote in 2020 as trump possible at all?
2016 is quite easy to achieve but I never managed to do it in 2020.
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>>1756181
Jesse Ventura was a pro wrestler who became governor on Minnesota in a three way race in 1998 for the Reform party.
Later he lost his appeal for his belief that 9/11 was an inside job and lost re-election in 2002.

I read the first Harry Potter book as a kid. I thought it was good.
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>>1734318
1988 Lee Iacocca vs. George Hebert Walker Bush
1788 John Jay vs Thomas Jefferson
1984 Walter Mondale vs Bush Sr. where James Carter won the 1980 election.
1992 Trump vs. Clinton vs. Bush Sr.
1789 Cyoa as Thomas Paine tried to prevent the rise of the mountains in a timeline where US war for independence failed.
>>1756898
Didn't Ventura had a T.V. show?
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After almost a year they finally added 1868b (the McClellan mod) to CTS. The endings seem to be broken but it's still a pretty fun AU, and I like reading through all the questions.
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Are there any new scenarios that you guys like?
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i fucking hate the tct discord
>everyone on there is a varying degree of retard
there are like 10 chill people. everyone is an uber-liberal or a fucking commie i hate them i hate them

and if ur not a liberal they usually just bully you i hate it

and its got mango and qpq and tno retards and astro's personality cult which is fucking weird. it's jsut full of ironyposioned resist liberals who are just fucking dumb as hell.

its full of larp too. theyve got elections for some fucking random position that does nothing and its dumb as hell

and its unironic mod elitism. THE MODDING ELITE IS REAL

also they post shit from this thread on discord and laugh at 4channers. i masquerade as an uberliberal on there
suburbsout
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>>1757114
Mouths of the South is KINO
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>>1757153
>Run third party beat a guy that's having an affair lost everything.
>Run as Democract beat a guy that having an affair get more a bit more votes
How does that makes sense?
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>>1757146
post pics?
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>>1757146
No way... you're telling me that the TCT community on Discord, a social media that's much further left-wing than 4chan... is left-wing and doesn't like 4channers? I am completely shocked.
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>>1757175
4chan left-wing
What?
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>>1757146
post username or this is bait
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>>1757162
shitty collage. im not even a conservative, but they very clearly have a ginormous bias
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>>1757179
check it out yourself.
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>>1757230
2028swift is such a fucking shitty mod and the creator is a retard
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>>1757247
>random idol that's been forcefed LSD everyday since birth manages to become the absolute ruler of America
Considering the American trackrecord this honestly really isn't all that unbelievable.
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>>1757230
Why do people like her?
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>>1757247
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>>1757265
Simps
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>>1757266
>close enough
>popular-vote landslide unprecedented in living memory
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>>1757146
>Username
>reddit spacing
This is your first 4chan post, isn't it?
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>>1757196
That's discord in general.
I was once in a server dedicated to Blue Oyster Cult, and that quickly devolved into a hang out space for trannies
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>African-American
WHAT? This dude is whiter than me...
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Apparently 1960Red and 1952Blue have been canceled since they haven't been worked on by the current dev since Tom got canned.
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>>1759016
I don't know how to feel about this. On one hand, it sucks that we'll never get them. On the other hand, it just wouldn't be the same without Tom, so perhaps that's for the best.
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>>1759016
Probably for the best, unfortunately. The people who got Tom kicked out would have more than likely still thrown a fit about them for some reason.
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>>1759016
I knew it.
They said in that server "Oh it will come out, we've got new people working on them" But trannies can't organize, they can't muster a continuation
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>>1759016
Someone posted the list of "canon" Presidents of Red and Blue from 1933-1985 (yes these are canon Ted confirmed)

Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
Henry A. Wallace (1945-1949)
Harold Stassen (1949-1957)
Joseph McCarthy (1957-1957)
Henry Cabot Lodge (1957-1961)
J. William Fulbright (1961-1965)
Winner of Red 64 convention ( for all intents and purposes we'll say Goldwater) 1965-1969
Cyrus Vance (1969-1974) (Assassinated)
Henry "Scoop" Jackson (1974-1985) Scoop was supposed to be Red's main character btw

Elections
1960: Henry Cabot Lodge vs J. William Fulbright
1964: J. William Fulbright vs Barry Goldwater
1968: Barry Goldwater vs Cyrus Vance
1972: Cyrus Vance vs Robert F. Kennedy
1976: Henry "Scoop" Jackson vs Phyllis Schafly

Blue Presidents (canon as well)

Henry A. Wallace (1945-1953)
Thomas Dewey (1953-1961)
Happy Chandler (1961-?)
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>>1757927
What would a Scoop Jackson presidency even look like?
>>1757266
Why is he evil again?
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>>1759832
Tucker Carlson is a pretty average guy.
He's fond of conspiracies and seems pretty buddy buddy to Putin.
For us, who cares.

But for woke types, they can't stand anyone who is right wing.
He could be the most milquetoast right wing figure and they'd still hate him.
And since he's fine with being far to the right on some issues, they view him like the devil
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>>1759832
>What would a Scoop Jackson presidency even look like?
The best thing about that line of thought is that Scoop's heir and pupil is on the White House right now.
>Strong focus on civil rights and labor rights
>Hawkish Interventionism
>fervently pro-Israel policies
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>>1759848
>Scoop's heir and pupil is on the White House right now
Prove it.
So a high chance for a Persian civil war and a third Arab Israel war occurring in the late 70's or at least early 80's.
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Have you guys played the 1992 Lion scenario yet? Also what would a Cuomo presidency played out?
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>>1753081
The midnight creator is still around. He's going to make a redux of both '64 and '65 after he finishes his 1972 Incumbent Humphrey mod



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