You only need one peasant to save isolated villages.>>1699449
First for catgirls
>>1739994anons, in a geoscape view, what's a better way to show a 3d representation of a base when a base button is clicked?>zoom into geoscape where the base is, 3d model is spawned>move the camera away from geoscape and show the model>fade to black, show the modelor something else?
>>1739994Are you borking the zombos into unconsciousness? I thought that was impossible.
>>1740144Zombies just get knocked unconscious by damage a lot because they have high HP and are immune to bleeding.
>>1740145Yes but borking does zero damage. Unless you're having the dogs bite the zombies into unconsciousness.
>>1740151>bite the zombies into unconsciousness.That happens a lot, yes.
Does anyone know how to make it so dogs surrender? I've finally had it with dogs overextending my missions.
>>1740144Zeds are ridiculously weak to electricYou can kill them with the 5.56 ep ammo
>always beeline underseas treasures in hopes of getting an early oscillatoris this even a smart thing to do? I've noticed underwater missions are pretty rare before undersea operations so it feels like a major gamble
>>1740431spears javelins and oxygen tank plus bandages
>>1740431Even if you get no loot, underwater missions are unique for that training outfits like swimsuits or bikinis give extra xp(20), so if you have rookies that need training they can get huge xp boosts from just one hit.
>>1740431Getting underwater asap is very smart thing to do. Missions are easy, you get free glamour with bikinis and have a chance of really good shit like mentioned early oscillator or wand of peace. Also diver condemnation has some very nice bonuses.
>>1740431they're a great source of XP and loot in the earlygame. take low to mid-tier units, put them in swimsuits and enjoy your gainz
>difficulty 4>Mid April, doing... okay. Lots of macro issues chiefly my hideout layout is garbo>ez academy crackdown>another crackdown right after>It's gonna be ratmen, bandits, something like that, right?>It's govt and they brought 3 elite soldiersI have done literally nothing to draw ire from govts, why did this happen? Fight was tough, and I was dumb enough to go for live captives, thinking this would give a smaller infamy hit. At least my losses were bearable- 2 lokknar with little training, a gal with some training and an assault clone. I've been tempted to do it again- I'm sure I could do it with only 1-2 losses now that I know better
>>1740624research the government captives to reduce the score penalty for capturing (or killing?) them
>>1740624>why did this happen?https://xpedia.netlify.app/##STR_CAPTAINS_RANK_05>Warning: you have grown big enough to become object of inter-govt envy. Expect sudden attacks on your Hideouts by competing Govt factions. Aim for 'Family Ties' to end this issue.Enjoy your glownigger attacks.
>>1740636But I'm only rank 3 anon
>>1740630Only capturing- it's the units's value in points for killing them and 2*value for a live captive, unless a live captive is researched, in which case it's always 10.
I checked older saves and I don't see a craft enter radar range, the base attack appears to happen without one
>>1740661That might be a bug then? Not sure.
>>1740624>>1740661you started in thebes. that's what happens when you start in thebes now.
>>1740636>hooray I finally won't get crackdowns by bandits>oh wait
>>1740671Correct, some base attacks are instantaneous and have to be shot down by base defenses. Ninjas are notorious for this
>>1740702Thebes gives you free crackdowns? Damn that's really good.
>>1741054>regular obligatory -1000 infamy on victory missions>good
>>1741060It just means you need to work on your capture game.
>>1741060It's autoguns and military shotguns for the crew, maybe even a few laser weapons, as early as April. Capturing and ransoming the invaders outweighs the infamy penalty (although you won't be doing that the first few times, at least not safely). Heck, Eurosyndicate being sold off as a pile of corpses makes up for the infamy penalty. Thebes really turbo charges the campaign's tempo to absurd levels, it's just a pain in the ass to play it right.
Next update heckin when
>>1741075Soon apparently
>>1740624Aren't Eurosyndicate crackdowns really hard?
>>1741090Only if you get into a shootout with them. If you go unga bunga with gals in tribal outfits and swing barbaric swords and axes at them, they're trivial along with all the other government raids. Just don't end your turn with two gals standing next to one another.
>>1741126Don't they explode on death?
Can I build more than one Revolution HQ? Thinking of slapping one in the new hideouts I'm building, still earlygame.
>>1741282One per hideout.
>>1741230They're like cyberdisks. They explode if you shoot them, they fall harmlessly if you use the right damage types.
>>1741073loot, in case you were curious. Not pictured:2 rocket launchers & 6x explosive- DP rocket25 frag grenades2 high explosivesAnd yeah, it's absolutely doable- about the worst were the three(IIRC) govt elite soldiers with 75 front armor.
>>1741336That sounds really good then, I'm inclined to throw one in every base!
>>1741360You won't have room for anything else, though. I forgot if it is a 3x3 or a 4x4 building, but it's otherwise massive.
>>17413643x3. So it's pretty big. On the bright side you'll need fuckall else for storage/prison/training/housing
>>1741401But one in every base means no room for the many research buildings and the many manufacturing buildings you will eventually require.
>>1740624>I was dumb enough to go for live captives, thinking this would give a smaller infamy hit.I think that's actually the correct play, even if you haven't researched the enemies yet. You can recoup some of your losses by ransoming them.
>>1741403By the time that happens you need to be in school graduation at which point you could just scrap rev hq for more efficient buildings but that's a long time span between rev hq unlock and let's say a factory. In my opinion if you're going peasant revolution you should build at least 3 hqs but I see why someone would want one in every single base the building is insanely efficient.
Um Commander bros ?
>>1741969
https://www.moddb.com/mods/x-piratez/downloads/dioxines-xpiratez-v-n8>- OXCE upgrade to 7.12.5 15-Apr-2024- Fix: Sunken Treasure Mission- Fix: Red Mage's disappearing ammo- Fix: car-racing Spiderdemons- New Arc Progress: Gudrun the Bride (1 new mission, deployable unit, other stuff) related My arc progress- New Arc Progress: Mystery Patron, some progress related to before (2 armors, 1 new weapon, story)- New Arc Progress: Gudrun the Knight: Labyrinthus Noctis (1 mission, major lore)- New Mission: Defend the Fort!- New Enemies: Stygian Gargoyle, Stygian Guardian, Dreamer Medusa, Raider Mudder, Raider Sludgebringer (paperdoll by Wolverin)- New Facilities: Non-Profit Lab- New Armors: Blood Dragon (gfx by Brain), Gnome Feuerteufel (gfx by Brain)- New Weapons: Stygian stuff (x2), BM Light SMG (gfx by RSSWizard)- New Items: Backpacks (x2)- New Trainings: Wholesome, Military Drill, Captain's 11- New Map for Commercial (by Solar & Brain)- Bandit cars and trucks now hurt your Infamy, but less of them is appearing on months 1-2- Green Raiders now can appear on Raid missions, especially later on- Trucks have an extra GR/HAND weapon slot now- Rebalances (mostly buffs): LACC, Battle Laser, Missile & Fusion Defenses, Sadomaster Training- Expanded the Captain Personality Test (more types, more complexity, and related stuff)- New Events- Added 'Hellerium Trails' theme song (Lyrics by Solar, composed & performed by AI)- Various minor gfx and sound improvements (thx to Brain, RSSWizard and others)- Removed all dogfight icons for non-weapon equipment (except STCs)- Assorted minor fixes (special thx to VDBomber & his OXC FPS project)
Dress properly, you sluts.
>>1742165>Bandit cars and trucks now hurt your infamyAre bandits government agents now?
>>1742165>green raiders>expanded personality tests>another mission beyond the already ridiculous black sun stuffScary.
>>1742180Maybe that is if you let them do their thing and leave.
>>1742184Ah, yeah, that makes much more sense. Dunno why I assumed it was shooting them down
>>1742165>Added 'Hellerium Trails' theme song (Lyrics by Solar, composed & performed by AI)lol what is this
>>1742165remember bros wait a week before all the hotfixes drop
>>1742165>Expanded the Captain Personality Test (more types, more complexity, and related stuff)reason to restart imo
the thief lacks justicethe priest lacks savvyness the mage lacks honorthe ruler lacks creativity
>>1740018Regarding camo catgirlsWhat are the most common milestones by month?At which point in the game do you stop actively using them?I found myself at the end of a year having 3 plantation bases and one fully decked out starter. I filled out my old earth lab in a month and a half, but only got personal ones in April, manufacturing and sickbay in August, and tiger in October. Got a green/lazy but after reading the codex didn't get shadowtech for some reason. Got a lot of mushrooms filling up cargo space and pumping out chateaus with 10 mil in the bank. The game as of now seems way too easy (rank 6) and all I get are strays under 1000 move speedDay 1Camo catgirls all have their stats 140+ and just obliterate everything with rapiers/bio daggers and silent pistols. It feels like a drag and I think I'm progressing way too slowly. No bounties as well, rarely so. 0 cellar missions, no zaxx bounties beside destroying a shed which is 100 tokens at most. What's your usual campaign pace and wwyd in this situation? Anyone else feel at times they just don't want to improve their base?
>>1742564Monthly milestones are whatever you make them to be, actually pursuing an optimised expansion path is largely unnecessary outside of Jack Sparrow difficulty. Filling the Old Earth Lab and personal lab in those times is genuinely extremely fast. Workshop and sickbay by August is fine. At this point, make sure you have your mess hall/onsen built and your rank C bounty licence manufactured and researched when able, overcharged radars in the plantation bases, with four flak cannons to blow up invaders (Hefaistos Batteries are a great alternative, although they don't have OP cannons in battlescape).Camo catgirls, along with innovative grav harnesses, are never obsolete until late game. Gals in tactical or defender armor are the assault element and the ones absorbing fire anyway. At least until the Peacemaker outfit is available to buy (and only then because ten innocence rockets per battle, per cat is funny, not because it's actually an efficient use of time or money).
>>1742564They'll always have a relevant role as disposable night scouts, because vision stats are hard to modify, and they come out of the gate with good vision/mobility/stealth. Their role as serious combatants shrinks as the game goes on for several reasons.>high tech guns and armor shrink the power gap against stat-powered guns>combat lethality increases across the board, and camo armor's bad defenses will mean the threat of sudden deaths increases proportionately>because camo armors have bad defenses you won't want to use them on your well trained troops, meaning camo cats will have worse overall stats when it comes to fighting compared to your veterans/enemy elites>even if you stasis pod your elites it's useless if they just get vaporized due to paper defensesAs a result the combat dominance of camo cats shrinks tremendously as the game goes on, and they take more of a utility role. You can squeeze out some more combat contribution from them if you follow these rules though:>only ever shoot things that you know don't have spotter>never aggressively reaction fire, since it could hit a spotter and get you killed>never end your turns near an unscouted corner or building, since an enemy can just walk out and kill you, and reactions mostly can't protect you from this because of rule 2>stay away from allies and crossfire zones (retreating them away from combat to heal is still okay)>only kill spotters or potential spotters with a one hit melee kill from their blind side>end turn in full cover if you are spotted, don't go near allies>all canine-type enemies are basically the bane of your existenceYou can use this to inform how you'll outfit and use your camo girls for a mission. Reaction-scaling gun being good if there's lots of non-spotters, high impact weapon you can fire once and duck behind cover like an RPG otherwise. High damage melee like fuso or plasma sword are good if there's lots of spotters with terrible vision, like humanists.
Also the plasma sword/dagger are devastatingly strong in the hands of a fresh recruit catgirl, since they have extremely high built in accuracy and scale damage entirely off reactions. The downside is they vaporize corpses, meaning you lose infamy and loot just for using them, and the amount isn't trivial when you're specifically going for instakills.
is camo armor camo paint or guerilla gear ?guerillas are a little bit more versatile with their better defense stat, especially cold. I skipped all of my missions in the arctic belt because of that. but the bonuses to camo and reactions are smaller, so its either you're not being seen at all and can shoot through walls with your silenced toy gun, or you could survive a hit or two or a turn or so in the cold regions. idk>>1742631>filling out is genuinely extremely fastI just sold glamour, engines, captives on the market and all my starter squad went to tiger tourism, easily netting around a mil or more in the first month>Gals in armoryeah I suppose I should have one in a plate mail/chainmail drawing out fire. platemail/shield easily tanks everything up to 14mm, makes it way easier to assault ninja APC>mess hall/onsenI did rush mess hall as well but kinda forgot about the warehouse mission so I fumbled a bit. onsen will genuinely take a lot of time since I didn't research weed plantations till halfway through the year and I only got a little bit, barely enough for one plantation, but that output would be enough to seed 9 more so its gonna be fine if a little slow>>1742696>shoot everything but spottersI usually shoot at dogs and osiron but I guess I should've done the oppositethey have ridiculous reactions to the point that early game was getting shot at and bitten every time you moved/shot.>banes of your existence now they don't bother me as much, since dogs can't land a hit and osiron just dies in one shot from gun scaling past 100 dmg. that gun is ridiculous. I could shoot, penetrate, and destroy an APC its so powerful.>humanistsgot no humanists at all never had a mission with them which is extremely weird. I only get traitors at large and underwater expedition (3-4 old money cases), and one or two lokk narr farm bounties in a year, RNG fucked up a little
I shall use the alt. start mod to do a gnome-only run.
>>1742838Early game the main reason to use guerrilla is if you don't have better life protection for an experienced cat, later on the main reason to use it is climate or the extra carry weight for IE another RPG round. It won't save your catgirl from the main killer, explosives, or any of the better guns, but she at least won't get one tapped by a random drifter's carbine. Dogs (including werewolves and wolfmen) are bad news because they have good NV, high anticamo, spotter, lots of TUs (and thus can sweep a lot of ground on their turns), can detect cats through walls, and by the time you can reliably dodge them (front only, if they come from behind you're fucked) your cat is probably too experienced to be in a stealth armor. You don't want to rely on reaction attacks to protect yourselves from them either because of the spotter aspect. Even when farming EXP from shot down trucks dogs can be an issue, if the map has too much visibility your cats might waste all their TUs shooting at someone taking a step at the edge of the map and then just stand there while a dog runs up and mauls someone.It's possible to shoot spotters and somewhat nullify the threat they present through defensive procedures like ending the turn behind strong cover, but each time you do that there's a non zero chance someone just decides to throw a grenade or rocket at your cat. The suppressed pistol is very good with a high reactions armor, but the problem is enemies with high pierce res start appearing frequently, and there's basically no high reactions armor which is actually good at preserving your catgirl's life until Blitz. There's a ton of shit you need to protect against, which results in random death if you don't, as opposed to just giving a workoutted ironcat an autolaster or something, still doing very high damage at close and medium range, still easily beating most enemies in the game in terms of vision and reactions, without putting a 25+ mission veteran at nearly as much risk.
>>1742564What difficulty are you playing on anon?>>1742862Good luck!
Is there a "scroll left" option somewhere? There's way too much shit in this left and it's very annoying when equipping soldiers, and I think this is only gonna get worse as I unlock more things.
>>1743120right click
>>1742698a catgirl with a chaos dagger is one of the strongest melee attackers in the game, too.
>silver snake gives oldtimer now>magic fucking cards give oldtimer for some retarded reasonI fucking liked that pistol.
>>1743148why are people so deathly afraid of any negative effect of a condemnation?
>>1743149-TU is fucking cancer, I can deal with -morale, stun, energy etc. -TU is going too far.
>>1743151This has such a minor impact, let's make an example. Gal with 100 TU using castaway, has rank 1 oldtimer with -1TU condemnation. If your freshness is higher than 35% of maximum value this -1TU has no effect. If you're not a gal or have less than 100 time units the effect is even less severe, this example also assumes you've ended your turn with exactly 0 TU which does not happen all that often, in reality oldtimer is likely to cause problems when you're at ~20% freshness or less at which you'd have problems either way.
>>1743158That's cool. At least I won't feel this on the one gal that got it, after I trash all silver snakes and replace them with magnums for ever.Some pitiful reaction and firing are not worth it, simple as.
>>1743137Yeah chaos dagger with holosuit, blitzsuit, or gravboots is ridiculous. If for some reason I had to melee with an experienced cat before blitz it would be a holosuit with chaos dagger. It's a shame it causes vehicles to explode though.
Is green codex the only way to get a perfect gal's stasis pod and by extension unlock designer beauty?
>>1743120Hold shift when you click the arrow.
>>1743192reaction is the most important stat tho
>>1743215Be that as it may, you can get plenty from other sources that don't fuck with your TU.
>>1743151aren't you have like other shit tonns of condemnations that give you Tu to balance it out ?
>>1743254Flat TU, yeah there are few. TU recovery no, super rare. To be specific there are only 2 condemnations that do that (at N7, didn't upgrade to N8 so dunno if it's the same). One is warp damage kills, the other trap kills (no idea if it even works, pedia don't seem to list any items that give it).
>>1743158Don't care, I'm just not gonna do it. Hahahaha!
>>1743120Just use the search to get exactly what you want
>>1743120The left arrow key on your keyboard.
Normal fire rockets seem like an absolute meme. You're paying high explosives price or more to coat less of the map in fire than a spray targeted flamethrower burst which costs vastly less.
>>1743420>busty brown Nekomimihnnnnnnnnnnnnng
>>1743444Regular fire rockets aren't very useful, you're better nine times out of ten just btfo'ing your target with a regular rocket. Rapid fire and indirect fire like assault GL and quad launcher are better for the long range fire blanket strategy most of the time. The advantage to the fire rocket is that you can then switch straight to your giant fuck you rocket after you light up a dark area with your incendiary one
>>1743220This is fucking retarded anon. Reactions give value to your soldiers at all times, even with exhausted freshness. For reference, a cyberdisk has 80 reactions if it doesn't move, meaning it's simple to make your first crop of elite soldiers immune to its plasma cannon of death. With heavy reaction farming, you can snap shot a disk in the face and still withdraw without it reacting. The negatives of Oldtimer are explicitly conditional on your soldiers running around with depleted freshness (for the sake of argument I won't care why and how the player gets into this situation) and is worth less than half a tile of walking.Commendations that buff reactions and max TUs both boost a soldier's initiative and are massively valuable for reaction manipulation. Commendations that buff TU regen don't and are garbage. You just hold your ground for one turn to recover TUs and stamina if needed, anyway.
>>1743444checkedthe normal fire rockets are indeed a meme, but the lighter fire explosives like 40mm grenade are good for target illumination. the FAE rockets are quite robust and a good upgrade to the HE rockets especially for soft targets.
Is it even worth climbing the aircraft tech tree earlygame as opposed to just outfitting an angry bird and beelining codex craft by interrogating hoes/experiment victims?
>>1743699god ai slop is fucking garbage
>>1743728Angry Bird is too slow to catch anything but ground vehicles, and I'm pretty sure it can't go high enough to catch pirate zepps. Car Thieves is more reliable to get something fast and you need it for shadowcraft anyway.advanced earthcraft fighters like the hyperjet would be really useful in year 1 but they're way too far up the techtree to be relevant in early airgame.
>>1743737Painted by Japanese artist ONEQ, fusing Japanese culture with 80's pin-up girls in the similar vein of Heavy Metal comics. Good try though.
>>1743743Hoverbikes, Zeppelins, Necroplanes, Black Helis, as well as all the ground vehicles (including courier) are slower than the Angry Bird. The only thing the necroplanes can catch that Angry Bird can't is Thunderbolts.
>>1743785As a bonus it also has extra carry capacity compared to the airbus unlike most craft so it can double as the training transport for whatever it shoots down.
>sudden realization that you can just send a bunch of dogs to deal with lokk-only missions
So anon, about xpiratez, the first difficulty completely blocks voodoo stuff and maybe something else, right?But there's no mention of it, not in the game itself, not on the mod page on DB, not on the main forum thread, right?I came across a hint of it myself quite by accident. And it turns out if someone just simply wanted see what mode has or didn't have 400 hours of ft, but wasn't lucky enough or just didn't look for information about it, they're fucked up, gitgut all that jazz?Feel free to correct me, but leaving such a point unaddressed in the description feels like a quite dick move, if I've seen one.
>>1743887yeah it doesn't really tell you in any way that i can remember until you've already played a few months. it definitely should but it doesn't.don't feel too averse to starting a new run, you weren't very far, you can probably make it back to where you were pretty fast and smooth now that you've finished a demo run.if you don't have 400 hours to blow on this shit you're probably not going to like it no matter what difficulty you pick because none of them really play faster than the others. not like you have to no life this shit though. i just play a mission or two before work.
Has XCOM Files gotten any better?
>>1743942Over what time frame? Four years? Loads. One? Ehh, incremental.
>>1743959Has the bloat been corralled a bit? Last time I played getting aircraft was a pain.
>>1743961Oh, no, if bloat is your concern, abandon all hope. Likewise, getting decent aircraft is still horribly bottlenecked at getting your first fighter plane, then immediately rushing several tiers instantly once the dam breaks. But hey, more ghost missions.
How do i change cat girls death screams? those are fucking disturbing .
>>1744015I only have an XCF install up atm, but look under the game's "Resources folder", look for one that governs sound, then hop in there and look for screams. They're all in .wav format, so just play them in your fav media player of choice until you find the culprit.
>>1743699Every day I hate the patch that introduced stat buffs to commendations because it brings up stupid discussions like these.
>>1744085You and me both, but only because I sink to the retardation of other anons and their slavish need to 'optimize', for trying to highlight that the perceived value in any commendation is literally fucking nothing during actual play. Especially the negative regeneration commendations. Honestly, I blame myself.
>>1744173For most of the races in the game HP commends can account for like a third of the HP on veterans.
>Non-Profit LabGovts are interested in your research, which nets you a solid chunk of Infamy. Not enough for such a Visionary as yourself! You'll build a lab so dazzling and advanced they'll start throwing grant money on you! It needs a nice smell, a lot of blinking lights, sexy interns, it'll have snazzy merchandise and marketing materials (you already have ideas for those), and finally, your personal invention - the Big Bubbly Ball Of Wow! You're a fucking genius! 3 Labspace & 15 Workspace. $150k profit/month. Needs Cultural. 15 Slave Maids & 50 Cultural Wealth to build. 1 per Hideout. Warning: can lead to unexplained explosions at your Hideouts. These will be written off as 'missile strikes'.
>>1740182I wish I knew. Someone please convince the figureheads to allow this to happen.
>>1744218True. And how many hundreds of missions and kills does it take to grind HP commendations to that degree? Your starting six uber gals will have lived to jailbreak star god plasma pistols at that point. Whilst commendation stacking can eventually be powerful, it's always been a vanity project anon, something to do for fun. Naturally, many players take this to stupid lengths and treat it as an objective to achieve and grind out. And a good many more actually change their behaviour and gameplay to do so, in the pursuit of inconsequential numbers on their favourite catgirls.Actually optimal play would be to spread those kills over a larger roster of soldiers, fuck the stacking.
>>1744264The worst case of commendation autism I've seen was a streamer guy reloading the game over getting wounded because negative one freshness from soft target is simply unacceptable.
>>1744264>veteran 5>monster 5>monster hunter 6>birthday cake 430 missions (token appearances on easy UFO crashes count), 25 monster kills with a bone club (doable in like one monster hunt or rat cellar), 2 years in the barracks. +17 HP and +3 all armor. That is extremely significant on anyone but the OP units (gals/ogres). That's even ignoring other things like soft target and gal of steel which you can mass farm with some simple gimmicks.
>>1744264>Actually optimal play would be to spread those kills over a larger roster of soldiers, fuck the stacking.This is only correct for gals and ogres, because they almost never die and almost always just get wounded/incapacitated by damage instead. For cat/peasant path/lokks/bugeyes/male touch/gnomes it is optimal to make a groomer squad with a bunch of farmed up HP commends because the base units are too inherently vulnerable to attrition mechanics to be careless about your EXP investments.
>>1744309To add, this is because HP (and natural armor, to a lesser extent) are the only reliable attrition mitigation mechanics in a game where attrition is unavoidable by design. The more armor you have the less likely you are to be killed outright by damage, and the more HP you have the more likely you are to be incapacitated (and thus protected from enemy aggro) by damage. More HP directly translates into more protection for accumulated experience, and more accumulated experience means more realized stat caps and commendations. In other words, HP merely by existing means your units will naturally accumulate more stats on average, relative to the stats lost to unit attrition. HP in the current balancing is valued a bit high in the stat spectrum, like strength, but not nearly high enough. One point of HP in practical terms is worth at least 4 or 5 points in the lesser stats, at least when assuming supermutant rules on non-easy difficulties.
>>1743966>more ghost missionsWHY
>>1741969But who was Otto Zander? That's not my name.
>>1742165Holy based
>>1744369>But who was Otto Zander?My boy you have some catching up to do.https://lparchive.org/X-COM-UFO-Defense/
>>1744369>he doesn't know
>>1743148Just wear a backpack bro
>>1744384I was excited about this item until I realized it only goes in the wear slot and not the backpack slots.
>>1744384It's still useful, mainly for the races with too little strength to fill their own inventory slots.
>>1744375I'd be impressed if anyone'd actually go through all that in this day and year
I think fuso start for C4L is a trap. Samurai armor kinda sucks ass and is extremely overpriced for something that dies to a single HE grenade and has no camo or NV enhancements. You're going to be rushing research on cat armors anyway and Catical is already better.
>>1744496Why would you do cat path anywhere but cali? Fuso is fun start for everyone else though.
Does anyone know what's the formula for piloting stats? Does it have a cap or can I farm condemnations for firing and reactions forever?
>>1744543Because you're getting cats anyway, and fuso gives you a special catgirl armor. The big thing is that the armor sucks, and cat path's cats are the lowest quality recruitable cats in the game, and it basically takes a first month's worth of research before you can even start recruiting them. Meanwhile Cali gives you an entire squad of high quality outlaws to train right from the start, research-free. There's also an argument for the other generally good start locations like Blackmarch, Turan, and Thebes, since fuso armor is such a mediocre option.
>>1744264On paper that doesn't seem excessive. Until it's put into practice and now the player is training themselves to look for ways to make the giant bone work against blood hounds and chupacabras. Until you remember that a soldier isn't typically going to be sitting around for two years being idle. All to be more resilient against ballistic pistols, shotguns and the basic HE grenade. By year two you're now against laser, gauss and a little plasma, eroding the value of these elite supersoldiers you're trying to make. If you're happy to go ahead with this nonsense and put so much investment into a few troops, instead of playing this like classic X-COM and screening with a small horde of trained but expendable goons, go do it. If you want to treat soldiers as if this were Nucom 2, you do that. You're honestly playing yourself just as much as you're playing the game at this point.>>1744309It's not conditionally correct, it's a universal reality. Soldiers you don't want to lose are screened by soldiers in heavy armor who are expendable, and the more competent and trained that expendable frontline soldier is, the better able they are to protect your rear echelon. If after this your backline still get fragged, you the player positioned them poorly, probably out of greed. Trying to patch up these failings by stacking HP on squishy soldiers in an attempt to turn them into ubers is a solution, but a retarded one (The elephant in the room is that this is the only way to get tanky soldiers for players doing exclusively cat/peasant/whatever runs, but I'm repeating myself about how players do retarded things to themselves. Gals will never be a mutually exclusive soldier and should be used at the front).>>1744325Yeah, HP and armor (and reactions and max TUs) are great for not dying, and make for an attractive insurance policy to get in the background during normal play. Can't see the forest for the trees at this point, however.
>>1744254open your Piratez_Factions.rul file, search for "STR_DOGG_TERRORIST" and below "energy recovery" you need to add the line "canSurrender: true". This should do it: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/qc4utm56837andp2b0dnw/ADUsUexXC805KVIhECr8uok?rlkey=2u7jgwe508zem6svr750y3f7v&st=q8gjluiv&dl=0
>>1744496If you can find the stupid ST suit for Contacts: Nekomimi then you can buy space suits which are basically the only armor you should ever need for the first year.>immune to extreme climates>22 NV 50% THV SPOT 2, can NV bully even other NV units and take advantage of smoke>25% burn, 50% chem (hot pursuits and ghoul town), 90% concussive>big inventory, light weight>20 armor and 10 HP, enough to deal with stray small arms shots and to serve as life protection against grenades>way cheaper than samurai, doesn't need to be researched like caticalIt's good enough to be a main mission armor until you get the secret deal.
>>1744731B A Y Z DI'll use this when my playthrough of Jagged alliance 1.13 is over
>>1744639Gals and ogres are the most expensive units in the game, and recruit with particularly bad stats for their cost, using them to catch rockets is literally the exact opposite of best practice for their unit archetype. If you're "screening" with gals and/or one-a-month ogres outside of gal path and not running out of screens, then that's no longer a case of screening with disposable units, that's facerolling content with overtuned units. You're not going to be able to do the same thing with any other race without them dying in droves, meaning you have to start resorting to alternative screens like fragile camo scouts or armored vehicles, which leaves holes in the "screen" compared to a thick front line of borderline unkillable units, and those holes are far more punishing when your backline isn't also composed of units that are borderline unkillable due to having >100 HP and 20 armor by default. Your understanding of the game and proper play is built around using OP shit and taking snowball effects like durability commendations your units automatically accumulate by not being instakilled when shot for granted.
>>1744843But who is gonna eat the rocket then?
>>1744639Also meleeing chupas and hounds to death is trivial if you have fuso armor.
>>1744849If you're lucky, nobody because your squaddie camo/flying catgirl saw it first and took it out first. If you're unlucky, then hopefully it shoots the squaddie, or your tank. If you're very unlucky, then it'll hit your veteran catgirl that was busy killing 5+ enemies per turn in your thickest armor, at which point you better hope she has 80+ HP from soft target/veteran/defender/birthday/monster/bodybuilding/etc etc so her corpse has a better chance to be intact for sleeping beauty project or her eventual sivalinga resurrection, because even revive mechanics are biased in favor of the tanky races. This is obviously way fucking harder than just throwing gals at every role and every problem. Your reward? 15 extra TUs (lol) and 25 extra melee skill (lmao) and some extra NV.
>>1744865catgirl op
>>1744843I haven't a clue what made up universe you're playing in, but none of it describes what happens in game and the fact that you seem to be wilfully confusing 'screening' with 'recklessly charging into the fog of war and actually dying' demonstrates this.Everyone has gals through young ubers, captured raider scouts and the odd rescued castaway. Have three of them in heavy armor as the core of any squad and you're set. My understanding of the game is proper positioning and ending my turn so that an enemy walking out from the fog has to walk 10 tiles and round a corner before he even sees my soldiers. My shit is even more OP then HP stacking because my soldiers rarely get shot at in the first place, and anyone who does is a bandit with a peashooter and sniper/spotter and is bouncing bullets off a gal's abs anyway. Normal, proper play trumps commendation stacking and that's the end of it.Anyone play the new missions yet, and are they multi mission cancer like with Aurora?
>>1744871>I haven't a clue what made up universe you're playing in>Soldiers you don't want to lose are screened by soldiers in heavy armor who are expendableYour words not mine.>the fact that you seem to be wilfully confusing 'screening' with 'recklessly charging into the fog of war and actually dying' demonstrates this.Again, your words not mine. Maybe don't make strawmen if you don't want to have to argue against your own made up fake points?>Everyone has gals through young ubersYoung ubers are rare, and they have other uses, like exchanging for pre-commended catgirls. Using and losing a young uber is the same as losing a catgirl with better caps, particularly in STR and HP.>captured raider scouts Doesn't have the same problems as young ubers, but don't even appear until much further into a game, and it still attempts to address the issue of HP being an essential stat with "just use high hp units".>and the odd rescued castawayLunatics generate 25k per month just by existing. Each one is a permanent and risk-free upgrade to your economic power. Suggesting to use them for a "disposable" role is absolutely ridiculous.>My understanding of the game is proper positioning and ending my turn so that an enemy walking out from the fog has to walk 10 tiles and round a corner before he even sees my soldiersMy understanding of the game is that you're rarely given the luxury of such convenient positioning because of missions starting with you surrounded by full TUs enemies stationed all over the map including with direct LOS into your vessel from multiple directions as well as dense urban or jungle bullshit obstructing LOS far more often than fog of war. I guess throwing gals at every problem lets you just forget about these things.>My shit is even more OP then HP stacking because ... anyone who does ... sniper/spotter ... is bouncing bullets off a gal's absI went ahead and extracted the main takeaway from your post for you.
Other stats are a force multiplier on certain in-combat actions, whereas HP is a force multiplier on everything else a unit can do. They really should not be viewed as within the same tier. HP is to Firing what Firing is to Energy: A fundamentally more important stat.
>>1744888Anon, I'm stating the obvious here, but expendable and disposable doesn't mean they're condemned to die in the short term (or even the long term). Look after them as best as you can to screen effectively whilst sweeping the map. And you definitely are the source of all the strawmen with the absurd implication that gals and ogres should catch rockets when screening. Learn to position well, and don't disembark turn one, use a smoke grenade to prevent reaction fire and you're receiving a lot less abuse such that commendation grinding an elite cadre of soldiers isn't useful.Your opinions on young ubers, raider scouts, the misuse of castaway gals and the delineation between fog of war and occluding terrain objects are your own. X-COM battlescape has always been a game about positioning and that will always serve you better than grinding for HP.
>>1744900Your entire argument is boiling down to pic related at this point.>just don't ever get shot bro, I only spam the specific units with 4 to 6 times the EHP of other units and 1/10th the chance to permadie for the heck of it :^)
>>1744233>Warning: can lead to unexplained explosions at your Hideouts. These will be written off as 'missile strikes'.Now I have zero desire to make one.
>>1744903Close! I was going for this instead. The one you're referencing was originally a comic poem written in Russian because players still make hilarious misplays on the battlescape, despite X-COM being 30 years old at this point. You'd think the point wouldn't have to be made anymore, yet here we are.The original argument has always been that commendation stacking is foolish, and the optimal way to develop a team of soldiers is to share experience over a larger pool, so the player has a large roster of experienced soldiers. This leads to more options on the battlefield and better hedges against losses. Yes, using a soldier with more innate EHP in frontline roles is ideal compared to trying to stack HP on a non uber, and players advocating to commendation grind have lost sight of the game to pursue a vanity project.Have a good night anon.
>>1744341To justify wasting base real estate on ghost jail, duh.
>>1744921I wish it was possible to uncap or at least increase the size of bases...
>>1739994I want to try grey codex nextdo I go with males, peasants, gals or catgirls for maximum mind fuckery?
The solution to cat path midgame is vehicle spam. Armored cars cost only a little more than samurai armor to buy the materials for, they give catgirls both insane mobility and good armor/resists and help fix their dogshit HP, they give them a really good gun to leverage their glass cannon shooting stats despite their garbage strength, and you won't want to kill yourself for losing them like you would a gnome pilot if the car gets RPG'd. Super high reactions is actually quite strong for vehicles since they use so little TU on attacking and moving, and it helps them keep up with Gnome accuracy somewhat. Most enemy vehicles have bad reactions and will let a catgirl pilot drive circles around them in a tank. It also solves the EXP attrition problem to the furthest extent possible because you only need to train up catgirls for the relatively less numerous piloting duty, and leave the dangerous scouting duty to fresh recruits.The only downside is that catgirls don't get to pilot any of the high tech vehicles (no mechas for catgirls? What the hell dio?), but you'll hopefully have blitz armor and chaos daggers for them by then.
>>1744917>The one you're referencing was originally a comic poem written in Russian because players still make hilarious misplays on the battlescape, despite X-COM being 30 years old at this point. You'd think the point wouldn't have to be made anymore, yet here we are.The joke went right over your head, just like every argument in this thread.
>>1744933>chaos daggersAnd just how do you get them regularly? I haven't seen a single one in like 5 runs at least. Probably more.
>>1744994Demon God Shrines
>>1745002I do all of them, always. Now what?
TU > strength > energy > weapon skills > voodoo shit > dogshit > HP/armorPositioning is the king of the battlefield.
>>1745011>>1744917When someone doesn't value HP or tells me they simply never get hit I suspect they savescum each time some "bullshit" happens. It's no bullshit, your unit just died and you have to deal with it. As a reminder XCOM is not an RPG but a lot of people treat it as such.
>>1745004Invest points into luck (irl)
>>1745011>strength 2nd best
>>1745053fistycuffs OP
>>1745053I very much enjoy it when my unga bunga 150 str annihilator gal can cut ufo walls with a vibro ax.
>>1745053I'd say resists are more valuable than hp/armor
Does anyone actually like the spotter-sniper system?
>>1745060I'm not going to say I like it but I don't hate it either, it makes hard cover a lot more valuable.
>>1745053Helps you carry good equipment without being overburdened.>>1745011Gals have plenty HP and 20 armour butt naked.
>>1745053It's the first thing I prioritize when assigning new recruits to training. You can still get lucky hits in with shitty aim, but you need to be able to lift the gun.
>>1745076Wait, you can PRIORITIZE stat training?
>>1745011TU > reactions > weapon skills > strength > HP/armor
>>1745079No, I mean that the peasants with worst strength get training first.
>>1745037I find armour/HP much more valuable in X-Files. Your dudes arent superhuman and cannot move from hard cover to distant hard cover every turn. Also Solar has better intuitive grasp at balancing the game I suppose.
>>1745116>Also Solar has better intuitive grasp at balancing the game I suppose.
>>1745011Ogres>Gals>Gnomes>Humans>Catgirls=Bugeyes>LokksIt's a mere coincidence that the xpiratez racial tier list is literally ordered by how much HP and armor each race gets, I'm sure. Surely it can't be that having two high combat skill caps like firing and melee, or firing and TUs, have diminishing returns while HP/armor/resists have an innate multiplicative return on eachother and other stats yet aren't appropriately valued as such.
>>1745133your tier list sucks dick and is retarded though. why do you think your shitty opinions are somehow an objective source of proof?
>>1745141Why are you seething at gals being overpowered which has been common knowledge for years?
Playing peasant revolution I get the biggest dilemma when peasant stats become too good they become too valuable to lose while peasants are supposed to be the disposable trash soldiers you shouldn't care about. They end up getting stuck in this limbo where they're not good enough to be part of my AAA team of gals ogres and gnomes but they're too good to be sent to the meatgrinder.
>X-FAG shitLeave
>>1745147Like here's an example, I clearly stopped giving a shit about this peasant at some point and she ended up warming up the benches at the back of the craft, the stats are good but these can never match better races or the special girl guides. What do you even do with these people? I keep running into a problem where I have too many trained soldiers and no idea what to do with all of them.
>>1745142>overpoweredCompared to what? They're the default unit you start the game with.
>>1745153Defensive troops at secondary bases.
>>1745133How are catgirls below peasants
>>1745153Wait for Dioxine to implement better armor
>>1745133Ogres are not good because they are too slow. Fast and tough is better than fast and fragile, but fast and fragile is better than tough and slow.
>>1745147>>1745153Just view them as particularly competent garrison/reserve forces. They will never have the high ceiling of the three mutant types, and therefore shouldn't be invested in the same way. Your units will automatically accumulate a lot of stats because the HQs have 3 free dojos among the 15 or so buildings they're comprised of, and you probably built a lot of them. Higher statted peasants mean you don't need as many to defend your bases, which reduces your salary and crewspace needs, so they're still useful. There's also the rare peasant or human exclusive missions you can send them on, in which case veteran peasants are useful. There is indeed very little reason not to fill your harvesters with nothing but mutants as soon as you have enough of them, since mutants just have better stats than other units for the same number of crew slots, and therefore will contribute more to the overall mission stability than even suicidal peasants will.>>1745160In what way do you think acquisition criteria relates to tactical use validity between different units?
>>1745173>too slowAn ogre in liquidator is exactly as fast as a gal while being way tankier. They get slightly less base TUs but better TUs in heavier armor. Slow ogres is a fucking meme.
>>1745181An ogre in liquidator is exactly as fast as a gal in Tac Armor*
>>1745173Ogres have very high energy regen due to their hp pool, you can sprint with an ogre every turn and never run out of steam.
>>1745116>Also Solar has better intuitive grasp at balancing the game I suppose.anon
>>1745171Triarius is already good enough to be cydonia capable, you can't really ask for much better than that.
>>1745153eh, you will end at some point with too many troopsmaking crafts much slower so you need multiple bases and multiple teams on each to cover earth would be a some sort of solution but it would come with plenty of downsizes
I wish vehicles got shooter medals.
>>1745230You can't get reaper and cannoneer but you can get bomber and pyromaniac. It manages to be the worst of both worlds.
>>1745147Leave the most competent peasants for challenges and other hard missions that limit your troops, and train more. Better lose a peasant than a good gal taking a stray bullet while wearing a holosuit.
What do you do with troop surplus? I've gotten too many Young Ubers and DILDOs from pogroms and ratmen caves.Also, those tentacle lair missions can go fuck themselves. I made a mistake researching that.
>>1745643>What do you do with troop surplus?use them as garrison troops or get them killed on dangerous missions or cool-and-risky plays
>>1745037You're right to be sceptical as most players are genuine retards who play badly. Twitch is full of them. You're also a retard for not realising that player owned and computer units in XPZ have massively inflated TU stats (deliberately to make melee pushes viable), and how such freedom of movement to position yourself on the board is fucking overpowered and what wins the battle. You're dead right that X-COM is not an RPG and that a lot of people play it as if it were, so now we've got idiots embracing medal farming and calling it a strategy.>>1745133This is retarded and you are hallucinating.>>1745153>I keep running into a problem where I have too many trained soldiersWhat a fantastic problem to have. Get them into battle by sending them actively on mission or reactively leaving them as a garrison somewhere. Either way, they're there to fight and possibly die, taking the heat off of your more valued troops and assets.>>1745181>>1745184It's true that ogres can sprint around with a heavy machinegun, but one day they're gonna eat an RPG HEAT, or a heavy laser blast, or a plasma bolt because of their shit reaction scores. Their high HP and armor scores are good despite that (or perhaps because of it).
>>1745147This sounds like a perspective problem, to put it politely. You just need to change your thinking. Expendability is based on how much it costs to replace (in time or price), not how good they are. If you're not using them, then they're the same as being dead.
>>1745724>ogres, gals, gnomesUndisputed strongest races in the game. Anyone claiming otherwise is a delusional shitter.>humansNot the strongest individually but have ridiculous logistical value due to being the cheapest units in the game by far.>cats, bugeyes, lokksSo bad that using them is usually a misplay.>they're gonna eat an RPG HEAT, or a heavy laser blast, or a plasma bolt because of their shit reaction scoresThe strongest strategy in the game is camping your landing zone and expanding a safety bubble outward, which ogres are gods at doing. Your ogre for some reason needing to sprint through enemy reaction fire instead of just killing his way to wherever he's going with the highest stat total and concentration of high tier stats in the game. To begin with counting on pathing your units through RPG fire with just reactions score to protect their lives (as an Ogre is the only unit in the game that will facetank a HEAT rocket pre lategame) is just bafflingly retarded. You clowns really come up with the dumbest LARPs imaginable to downplay how game defining HP and armor values are.
>>1745812Your ogre for some reason needing to sprint through enemy reaction fire instead of just killing his way to wherever he's going with the highest stat total and concentration of high tier stats in the game simply isn't a realistic proposition.*
>>1745812Bugeyes having sense and inherent voodoo makes them excellent spotters and makes the bank mission a breeze because you can panic the guards inside the vaultLokknars I agree with outside of avenger armor, you give them an infinite ammo ranged weapon and they'll easily clear anything requiring small races. Also good in shadowrealm because they keep their shields even in the initial visits where everything gets taken from you
Trying to set up a reaction fire usually leaves you more vulnerable to losses than you would have been just using those TUs to move into perfect cover. Especially if you're not a gal. Any location you had to cross reaction checks to get to is too dangerous to be ending your turn in anyway, and if you got reaction checked that also means you were seen and thus probably tagged by spotter AI. Reactions is simply a weak stat. Ironically, the greatest strength of high reactions camo/invis outfits is that they make your reactions stat almost irrelevant by directly turning off reactions of enemies that can't see you, which even godly reactions can't do because of the stupid TU scaling system. Stealth armors' biggest strength is allowing you to attack all your TUs away while ignoring the reactions system, whereas heavy armors are the best for aggressive reaction positioning tactics because only a tanky heavy armor unit can best survive the consequences of the reaction shots failing to neutralize the exposed threat zone.
>>1745812>Your ogre for some reason needing to sprint through enemy reaction fireI don't sprint my ogres around to draw enemy heavy weapon reaction fire because I'm not a retard. What I have said is that A) ogres can and should sprint to get around the map and B) They have shit for reactions.Leading us neatly onto your shit-for-brains 'tier' list where you put ogres at top. Try clearing the LZ by opening with an ogre when star gods with plasma are on the field. Or mercenaries with a heavy gauss. Or late game academy pioneers / guild exosoldiers. You're obviously inviting so much avoidable return fire that a gal is clearly better.Trying to make a tier list in the first place (centered around HP no less) was the truly clown move.
Protip for the first phase of the X Residence mission: go with catgirls in camo at night, and find a way to either evade or kill the tank without it exploding.Of course, then you'll have to fight Black Sun dudes and a lot of Stormtroopers and a few Supersoldiers at relatively close range
>>1745849As someone who went through that mission, I recommend having a hovertank or something that draws the small arms fire, and about 7 or 8 mortars ready to take out the gun emplacementsThat or you bring a loader suit gnome and drill through the mountainside to the end
>>1745837>Reactions is simply a weak statAyyylmao
>>1743112Difficulty 2 "Fair"I only play it for fair market prices but actually, especially in early game, difficulty 3 is a bit easierYou get another shambler, around 20% more enemies to stun and ransom, more glory and loot etc.Its cheaper, sure, but the amount makes up for it
>>1745842>Try clearing the LZ by opening with an ogre when star gods with plasma are on the field.Turn 1:>Take cover inside and/or using ship, throw some grenades where applicable, end turn.Turn 2+>Focus fire down enemies in order of proximity/visibility of the LZ, because the start of the mission is when you have access to your entire roster against each opponent. Apply heavy ordinance, which ogres can field like assault rifles, as necessaryIt's just the standard LZ clear procedure. The fuck else are you trying to do?>oh I'm such a strategy god taking snap shots into the LZ while reserving half my TUs each turn>wtf how am I supposed to know an enemy would reserve so many TUs there and instakill my gal [reload save]>wtf they lucked right through my web of reaction fire and vaporized half the crew with a single hellerium grenade that's so bullshit [reload save]Ogres are the closest units in the game to being RNG proof. They can't even die to a direct hit from an RPG at full HP while naked. They field the absolute maximum amount of firepower during your turns when you have the ability to make responsive decisions, and they have the mobility to accommodate that responsiveness. They have the absolute maximum amount of HP and defenses to survive whatever the AI does whenever it's not your turn. Enemy reaction fire is something that happens on your turn and is ultimately under your own control, it uses snap shots which are generally less dangerous than aimed shots and autos, it's an easy mechanic to deal with against the AI and a bad mechanic to rely on against the AI for the same reason. Reactions put the initiative in the opponent's hands while leaving you unable to deal with unexpected fail states or prioritize targets until you get a new turn. Ogres also get one of the most absurd transformations in the game, as well as totally unnecessary access to Charmy Dance and Designer Beauty for even more HP and armor. They cost less upkeep than fucking bugeyes.
>>1742862Haven't played in a good while. Is there an early-game source of gnomes now or do you plan to just last with the 9 the mod gives you?
>>1746203You're not wrong, but you're also aware that whether or not you get reaction fired at is contingent on the reactions of the unit moving, not just the reactions of the shooter, right? Gals can take a shot and not get shot back at in situations where Ogres would 100% eat reaction fire.
>>1746377They're contingent on both units' reactions, of which the enemy's reactions score is generally unknown. They're also contingent on both unit's TUs, and how much TUs the opponents have is fundamentally unknown unless it's either turn 1 or you watched them play their turn and counted their TU expenditure. Due to the amount of moving parts and opaque variables, the reactions system is a huge source of ambiguously risky interactions. This is also just assuming you're checking an enemy for reaction fire, not trying to actually use reaction fire, at which point there's all sorts of variables like whether enemies can come out in an inconvenient spot and waste all your TUs, whether more enemies can come out than you were prepared for, whether you can just roll shit on accuracy or damage and get shot in the face because of it, and so forth, on top of the already cancerous reactions check formula.To put it another way, because of the amount of unknowns involved with the reactions system, you're usually better off just mitigating exposure to it like you would using ogres anyway. Other units might have the reactions to avoid some of the fail states related to reactions checks, but it's moot if they lose the ogre's durability in surviving the failstates that reaction score wouldn't help them avoid. Meanwhile by comparison, HP and armor are just straight up universal risk-mitigation systems that are working in a clear way no matter what you do.There's no diceroll in how much overall damage you can take, and there's no diceroll in how much of your armor applies to an attack, they are strictly guaranteed "more damage is survivable", "more damage is mitigated", and "more chances to be KOed instead of killed" stats, which are also mutually synergistic. If you look outside and there's too much bullshit pointing at your ship turn 1, you can just press A and leave.
>>1746448That's a lot of words to try to pretend reactions isn't important.
How can we fix sl(ave)op soldiers?
>>1746451That's a pretty disingenuous way to concede the argument.
Times ogres are bad>when you would get shot for over 250 fatal damage by accident and having better reactions would let you avoid triggering the shotTimes ogres are good>any other time your units are at risk of taking damage everBetter stop using gnome pilots in favor of lokks too. After all, reactions are le hecking important. :^)
>blood dragon armor special attack does 1000 fatal wounds>hero only Damn
Don't care about ogres i'm not using male units.
>>1746542Transition transformation for ogres and ss when?
>>1746545Chorts?
>>1746542/u/ggo
>>1746558Can't chort m*les, bro.
>>1746542Get a base for the SS and use Ogres there
what're some more and less common weapon types/technologies in tactics games? i was thinking about it and so far i have:>ballistic>magnetic>laser>plasma>sonic>biois there an interesting weapon type that hasn't been done to death yet?
>>1746623Dunno, why don't you ask ChatGPT.
>>1746623Magic
>>1746623I can think of a few things nucoms do that no openxcom mod has copied>psi(magic)Yeah openxcom has mind control but it doesn't have any of the really cool shit like ghost grenades or stasis or the ability to remotely detonate grenades. You could also look at underrail for examples of more creative ways to utilize psi like the temporal magic school.>crowd controlMore of an RPG thing but why not have a damage type that specifically disables enemy units either reducing their stats or TUs or something. I have no idea what kind of pain in the ass it would be to implement status effects into an XCOM game or if it would fit or play good either.>meaningful ranks/officersLong war 1/2 made an excellent job at making officers the core of your squad, ranks in openxcom mods mean pretty much nothing by comparison. How about an outfit for high ranking xcom officers only that allows them to use geoscape resources on battlescape? As example in LW2 there are turn timers and you can spend intel which is geoscape resource to extend time on battlescape. Or I dunno an item that's the equivalent of starcraft comsat so you can gain vision anywhere on the map usable only by an officer provided you actually have a satellite or facility capable of providing such utility.
>>1746456An early "medbay" (due to their profession they got quite adept at patching their wounded brothers and now they can practice their healing ways on the hoes too).Return to Grug (learning the caveman tech now leads to your men gaining the Grug promotion, they go out into the wilderness to train and practice the true Grug ways making them 'arder then those modern sissies who rely on those fickle conveniences of the fragile civilization).HUMAN MEN (learning how to recruit gals of other species for some reason empowers your slave soldiers in different ways).
>>1746653>An early "medbay"this would fit really well with SS Operations tech. thematically it's about the gals bringing in outside specialists to fill gaps they don't know, and a MASH Hospital-type facility would fit perfectly.couple it with some sort of Medic/SS outfit analogous to Nurse/PEA
>>1746456Replace SS with highwaymen
>>1746653>>1746659Old earth voodoo could also bring in special outfit ideas like cowboy outfits or even MIB-style outfits for slave soldiers, the latter would be the perfect thing to accompany undercover operations tech so you have a specialty for slave soldiers
>>1746203>It's just the standard LZ clear procedure. The fuck else are you trying to do?The same thing you are doing, but better and faster. This is because I don't fetishize ogres and HP like a retard who has to fall back on passive defences for maximum survivability. Gals put out for more firepower than ogres can without inviting return fire.The rest of your post is strawman and clumsy justifications for why you like HP as a stat.>>1746448Mind probe you fucking moron; it explicitly tells you exactly how many TUs an enemy has left and the reactions it has, with which you know when it can reaction fire. If you were an actual Ogre user you would have one soldier on the craft scanning enemies so you never eat a return heavy plasma and have your 1recruit/month in sickbay for 25 days. The reactions system being a 'huge source of ambiguously risky interactions' is only because retards are willingly choosing to play it as such. Tools are available to reveal everything and you should roll them into your loadout. This does go a long way to explain why you value HP over everything to hedge against your mistakes, but if you learn how to manipulate reaction scores and use high reaction soldiers to open offensive actions, you will elevate your play. Just don't fucking fall back onto commendation stacking for the love of Christ.And for any midwit wondering why they should have one mindprobe on the dropship taking up a soldier's hand slot: Now you have a useful action to take when a heavy plasma guy ended their turn looking directly at your dropship, and now you'll know if you can shoot him in the face without him reacting or not (Which, for the umpteenth time, is something an Ogre is complete dogshit at doing without going into medbay for completely avoidable reasons. Use mixed squads if you're not going to roll an all gal force).
>>1746456early access to airgame alongside TRUCKS
>>1746633>a damage type that specifically disables enemy units either reducing their stats or TUs or somethingwe've already got this in piratez. "disrupts reactions" or damages TUs is a secondary effect on some weapons
>>1746673I'd like it if you were able to "pirate" guild armors for the slave soldiers, capture guild security? You get decent kevlar, marsec operative? Free personal armor, marsec bodyguards? Free power suits. It always annoyed me that you can't use any of these on your own troops and they'd be perfect fits for male soldiers.
>>1746633>>1746685Building on this, again XPZ does dabble with all of this. Grey codex spawning friendly auxiliary units. Aforementioned 'disrupts reactions' weapons like the humble spear. Some outfits and weapons also indirectly favor officer ranks, see Gold codex, laslock pistols and shotguns, and officer pistols that the humanists like to run around with.XFiles has flashbang grenades that attacks TUs. 40k/Rosigma also does a bunch of crazy shit, especially with the Imperial Guard and their commissars, but that means you have to play 40k and Rosigma. There's actually a lot of ideas from Nucom that is present in many Openxcom mods in one form or another.
>>1746448>If you look outside and there's too much bullshit pointing at your ship turn 1, you can just press A and leave.Or you can be normal and use your high reactions to safely let off a shot or smoke by each gal to see if you can clear/block the landing zone before having to leave. Not that I'm saying HP is too unimportant to be farmed, but saying reaction is a weak stat is going too far when it's clearly one of the most important ones, only behind TU in importance.
>reactions is a useful stat because... you can probe everything you shootThe LARP is getting out of control. I'll stick to needing 2 maxroll heavy plasma hits just to be KOed in blue armor, shooting the heavy plasma guy in direct view of the ship with a vulcan so as not needing to care about his TUs, and not taking several hours to clear the mission, since I don't play whatever imaginary version of Piratez you're on where every enemy in the game suddenly has tankbuster weaponry because someone mentioned on the internet that Ogres are overpowered.
>>1746633>OfficersIt's just not that sort of game. That's very gamey and vanilla Xcom takes a more simulationist approach to things. In real life officers don't have magic spells that only they can do, they're there to give orders and do leadership. That sort of thing fits more in the class-based nuCom where soldiers can only use certain guns and the ability to carry an extra grenade is considered a special ability.
>>1746724>OfficersEl Admiral, Kummissar, the Battle Flag...
>>1746712>taking several hours to clear the missionlol>with a vulcan so as not needing to care about his TUs>every enemy in the game suddenly has tankbuster weaponrySpoken by someone who doesn't know how to clear a board through positioning, has to rely on brute force and ignorance and manages enemy fire by eating it, and hasn't gotten to late game and encountered Academy Pioneers and Guild Exoguard.As stated from the very beginning, you are retarded and hallucinating.
>>1746724I mean really all I'd like is long war command in an item form of openxcom, all command is officer sacrifices his own turn to give someone else a turn and that is super versatile. It's not that crazy of a magical superpower.
>>1746732this is literally the Battle Flag and Officer's Lash from X-Piratez. play Gold Codex, it's made for abusing this shit.being able to make a weapon that damages enemy TUs also means you can make a 'weapon' that restores friendly TUs.
Reaction fire walls are the only way to correctly play the gamet. has played ROSIGMA as the Guard
>>1746732There's also the runt outfit you can give to gals which is basically meant to represent an ammunition bearer and also restores TUs via 'gentle push'
>>1746736Battle flag was changed at some point to now damage enemy TU and officer lash only works when you're in melee and your target is practically naked. None of these are really comparable to command where it just unconditionally grants a turn to anyone as long they're within your line of sight.
>outlandishly unlikely hypothetical involving high tier enemies with highest-in-category damage>ignores obvious solution in favor of gimmicky savescummer bullshit>condescending strawmanThis autist needs new material.
>>1746741>within your line of sight
>>1746732>It's not that crazy of a magical superpower.It's literally magic. And a superpower.
I have this idea to do a peasant rev run and use my starter gals and any castaways as my vanguard.I strongly consider a ballistic shield and handgun as a foolproof load out for the early game.Handguns and 1h smgs are more than good enough for 90% of year 1 but is the ballistic shield and to a lesser extend the outfit shields going to provide something meaningful outside of the peak aesthetics.
>>1746456give them reasonably good stats, they should be solid choice to field fresh from recruitment
>>1746740>and also restores TUs via 'gentle push'wait what>
>>1746852Outfits with physical shields held in a hand have bullshit high evasion scores, and that always has value when you can get adjacent to an enemy. Either passively through corner/door camping or actively by moving up to someone. Said enemy is then rolling really lopsided CQC checks and usually spends their attacks shooting the floor. It's a risky move that usually completely wastes an enemy's turn, or get a rifle auto shot in your chest. Also has innately good resists and evasion against zombies and animal hunt missions, if you're not using a flying outfit for whatever reason. A gal in chainmail and holding the shield can no sell a series of chryssalid attacks for reference (at least briefly).Shields that are items (the shotgun shield and riot shield, as well as handheld energy shields) don't have the absurd evasion scores and don't prevent you from getting attacked should you fuck up. It just means you get less hurt.
>>1746732>It's not that crazy of a magical superpower.Ah yes, the normal ability all real-life military officers have to make their subordinates run 50% faster.
how do i actually destroy the beacons (green things?) in devil's reef
>>1746745>>1746878I still don't think it's that ridiculous of an ask considering one of the most common classic xcom strategies is a grenade relay which is nothing else but sacrificing one unit's time units to save another which is exactly the same thing. I'm looking forward to mental gymnastics how it's totally ok for live grenade being passed around by 3 or 4 units but being told by an officer to work extra hard just this one turn is literal magic.But of course openxcom is a simulation masterpiece with features like jumping off buildings without fall damage or you know fighting aliens, my bad my bad.
>>1746878It uses the magic power called authority, the same one that police cars use to make every car in sight drive 50% slower.
>>1747072Why don't you just use the runt outfit?
>>1747072>jumping off buildingsHeh, actually the soldiers don't jump, they fall. "Realism" faggots are in shambles. Tacticom chads stay winning.
Falling and not taking ground collision damage is still more real than not falling at all.
>>1746653>HUMAN MEN (learning how to recruit gals of other species for some reason empowers your slave soldiers in different ways)I kekedSomeone send this to Dio immediately
>>1747067Satchel charges, slugthrower or melee are viable options early on. I hear kraken cannon can also be used underwater but never tried it myself.
>>1746337keep farming boots
>>1746337no codex gives 7 but you need to keep one prisoner for research. blackmarch gives a few guaranteed and a chance for more. a good number but not enough to sustain an entire campaign
>Spent 2days making terrain>it's shit
>>174761710/10 very mortarable map.
>>1746337At the moment in my game, I don't yet have the urge to get any more. I'm still looking forward to an injection of gnomes from reject the power, so I will probably be okay for a bit, but I fully intend to just cheat myself some more gnomes just to keep to the theme, if I ever need to.
What do I need to do or research to make the Tentacle Lair missions stop spawning?
>>1747701afaik it doesn't stop
>>1747701Open up factions.rul and make sure the unlocked research isn't commented out, pic related. Or just update to the latest version. Should resolve the issue from the following month onwards.>>1747706Thank you for the observation Captain. It doesn't stop despite the mission briefing clearly saying that it should.
>>1747716>It doesn't stop despite the mission briefing clearly saying that it should.So it's an one time mission? I did it, but another popped up the next month.
>>1747617Awww Anon it's fine, I like the silo in the back, the large flat building and a few others!
Huh, someone posted my proactive ninjas mod to the forum. I'd totally forgotten about it. I should probably update it.
>>1747114How about keeping human men and other races units having a chance to give these other units "pregnant" condemnation that takes them out for coupple months (a bit less than 9 months for peasants, possibly much less for hellerium powered races) but gives huge amount of glamour? Same for ogres. Bugeyes can get others pregnant and can become pregnant themselves.
>>1746876You can send hot babes to tank chryssalids in chainmail+shield?????!??Also what's the deal with needing energy to dodge attacks? And is the evasion modifier on armor for dodging melee attacks or for dodging ranged attacks?
>>1746745>>1747072>>1747081Also cant you use the admiral outfit and a battleflag to restore TUs? That still exists last I remember
>>1747832Umm no you won't steal my waifu Rabid Corpse's virginity!
>>1747912You can, but you really probably shouldn't for obvious reasons. Energy is needed to CQC an adjacent enemy trying to shoot you; if you don't have the energy, they'll automatically succeed in shooting you point blank. And the evasion modifier counts for both dodging melee attacks as well as dodging enemy ranged attacks in CQC.>>1747915see >>1746741Battleflag (as well as battlepipes and the astrocaster) got changed after Gentle Push and the Lokk Commissar were introduced.
>>1747912>You can send hot babes to tank chryssalids in chainmail+shield?????!??Don't do this. She MIGHT survive, but it's not the kind of gamble you want to take.
>>1746633>More of an RPG thing but why not have a damage type that specifically disables enemy units either reducing their stats or TUs or something. I have no idea what kind of pain in the ass it would be to implement status effects into an XCOM game or if it would fit or play good either.Do the stun rod/freeze bomb type weapons that knock things out in the base games not exist in openxcom?
>>1747832This isn't a porn game yet anon
>>1747912>You can send hot babes to tank chryssalids in chainmail+shield?????!??I don't think this has been pointed out so far, but the AI on its turn tries to attack your soldiers from the back, where evasion score is lowest. So evasion-based strats against melee opponents really only seem useful for dealing with (melee) reaction fire.
>>1748357That's exploitable with chokepoints. I've had a Hyena gal stand to one side of a doorway and taze four nurses and a yeoman in a single enemy turn. But on an infinite flat field, yeah, doesn't make a difference.
>>1747735Well thank you fren' I made a script that makes shit less clutterd so it's should be fine. I hope
>>1747617the flat-roof building with the solars on top needs a better roof texture. all the 2-wide stairs up to the roof should be 1-wide, and the outside stairs should have a different visual than the inside stairs (ex. metal scaffolding)smaller red bricks overall imo, should be half the size. the join between bricks should be at the midpoint of the bricks above and below it.the solid walls should be a different colour than the terrain, they're both kinda pinkish so the walls blend into the terrain.flesh out the corn stalks a bit, they're barely visible
>>1748827What programs do modders use to make new tiles?
>>1747617Every door being on the same side makes it look wrong.
>>1747617The cult of sunbath, a major minor enemy faction, coming to X-Com Files.
It seems safe to say by now that there's no major bugs in the new version.
Xpedia updated holy shit!https://xpedia.netlify.app/
>>1745849I simply disperse the influenza virus. Unique bullshit missions were fun the first two dozen times.
>>1746730The game itself mocks your never ever get hit fart huffing, you know.
>>1748907Feng shui approved farm.
>>1749293>hotfix tomorrow
>>1749457Yes, and if that is your only take from reading the entire chain then you've completely missed the point of it.Yes a 'Just don't get hurt' approach as an absolute imperative to the exclusion of all else would be insane since such rigid optimisation is not necessary to play the damn game. Yes the game makes a number of jokes warning against being a slave to meta, calling such things grubby grumblings and angry noises that have lost the big picture. Ogre retard above is one example, since they profess that ogres are OP, cats are bad to the point of being a misplay (lol) and that they use ogres to kill things with opening salvos and tank return fire with their HP pools. Whilst ogres are good at their niche, they are one tool in the tool box, and when presented with other tools to incorporate, they reject them. HP commendation stacker above is the second retard, for not having bigger rosters and other reasons already mentioned (and funnily enough is the actual audience that the Less People = More Oxygen article is mocking). tl;dr you're a retard.
>>1749573Nta, but what's your tldr strategyWould you rather an ogre tank shots with hp or a platemail gal with armor? I think there's next to no good outfits whatsoever for any race besides gals and peasants (ss doesn't have shit) to diversify your squad. You may argue that a pyroman ogre with a shield is better, but gals have better stats and TU.I'd put one camo dagger+silent pistol catgirl, one platemail/heavily armored squaddie, and a couple of gym suit cattleprods if its a VIP transport. That's for an early-mid game ofc. All of that fits into an aircar nicely.
>>1749573>Whilst ogres are good at their nicheWhen one's "niche" is bigger than the niches of multiple races put together, there's a balance issue.
>>1749601He's already explained his strategy in the thread>always walk in front of unseen enemies with high TU high reaction units, if those stats are incidentally not high enough and your unit dies to reaction fire as a consequence then reload lol>always probe visible enemy units so you can reliably shoot them without triggering reactions, if you fail to meet the necessary damage output to secure your surroundings and someone gets killed because of bad defensive reaction fire rolls then reload lol>seethe and avatarfag at anyone that points out high HP high armor units are easymode for "being a slave to meta"
Apprently having 10 times as much EHP compared to other races and being almost impossible to kill or permakill, and knowing how to position and sweep the map safely, are mutually exclusive. I didn't know the reactions stat was necessary to end each turn behind full cover or out of sight range.
>>1749612I camp inside transport and take potshots from windows for first dozen turns.
>>1749642my woman of color
>not smoking a cigarette on each mission for permanent HP gains
Using muscular men because they make the game easier is gay.
>not magdumping assault shotgun rubber bullets on your hands for gal of steel 10
>>1749734I just farm it up on Hyena riders. A green codex perfect gal with maxed out Monster Hunter/Gal of Steel is gettable inside the first year trivially even if you don't have your own dudes shoot her. Give her a riot shield and she becomes incredibly hard to kill.
>>1749737Perfect gals are an easy use case for EXP funneling. They're very hard to kill and too rare to use for high risk endeavors. More HP and more base armor both make their natural regen naturally better. I don't see the point doing something like that on catgirls since they'll just die to a stiff breeze and waste your efforts, and even if they live a long time they'll be obsoleted instantly by Theban Catgirls which have like +25 every stat at recruitment.
>>1749758The downside of theban catgirls is you have to cuck to another force to use them just like you have to have the mutant alliance's permission to use your own humanist soldiers.
>>1749601Strategy to do what, clear a typical UFO assault? Build a roster of soldiers over the first 12 months? Something else? Establish context and define what the situation is and what tech level we're working with.Forced to choose between the two, the platemail gal is better suited because you typically want armor to soak all damage and not rely on HP at all, unless you really like having medbay timers. Early game missions with the airbus I greedily roll with as many gals as possible and try to get them all up to 80 strength and to train melee, typically with stun batons since they also train reactions when used. Holes in the roster due to injuries are supplemented with peasants and a few dogs. Always go at night, take shotguns, avoid streetlights or shoot them out. This prepares a gal force to immediately trounce government raids when they begin, by hitting them with barbaric axes. Then you steal their autoguns and shoot everything.>>1749607This isn't a competitive multiplayer game, what the fuck is 'balance' in XPZ. Ogres aren't running about at night outdoing cats or gals at the murder Olympics, mind controlling mercs like bugeyes, or walking out in the open unspotted like a goblin regardless. If you don't find value in these things and find those niches too narrow to bother with in lieu of just stomping about like a barbarian with an ogre, that's your call. Ogres are strong, can shoot and can tank, and they are genuinely good to use in every battle because of that, but that doesn't make the other soldier types complete garbage (Except peasants and SS, but that's their role as mass deployable trash).>>1749642Well done anon.
>>1749782Govt raids ?Are you a Sparrow-fag ? I mean I do equip my starters with melee as well, but the rolls can be outright ridiculous. Like, one might be as bad as a peasant with 40+ in each, and another straight "out of the box" almost predetermined to their role with a high skill roll of up to 90+. These would be a pain and waste of time to train if their highest stat isn't melee, IMO. In that, i also do not recruit any peasant early on at all. Bad company and isolated valley are too hard for a 30-something nobody squad with an old shotgun on their hands. Regarding tech and time, im asking about a first year start in a "normal" location (no Thebes) on normal-ish difficulty with at max 20 brainers. Typical UFOs in that timeframe are bandit transport, academy nurses, and maybe raiders/osiron/marsec later, close to the end of the year. I actually didn't know you could shoot the streetlights out. I know its hard to get ogres in a year, but sometimes I get one or two from a prison break mission. And by the end of a year you should reach about platemail tech easily. If not, chainmail w/ shield tanks up to 5mm/chryssalid as stated earlier.
>>1749809They kick in at a certain rank even on lower difficulties, and are usually a pain in the ass because you're eating, like -2000 infamy, even if you can potentially make a bunch of it back in ransoms.
>>1749782The only bad Ogre stats are Reactions and VSKL. They don't even have bad vision, being ubers with free THV, and 0 camo is the baseline for most units and armors in the game, meaning they are good or at worst fine at every task in the game that does not actively rely on those two stats. Most tasks in the game do not actively rely on Reactions and VSKL. High NV high camo high react gimmicks have been in the game for years via lokks, and based on the value and performance of lokks it can be readily observed that those stats in that combination are of low performance compared to just having high stats, particularly in HP, armor, and firing. You keep arguing that Piratez is supposed to be some avengers assemble bullshit even though pre Gnomes pre Ogres pre Cats it was just all Gals all the time unless you wanted to challenge yourself with some gimmicks or use vehicles, and is still fully capable of being played that way. Catgirls made sneaky units usable, but usable is still way fucking below Uber/Ogre level of "the basic carry unit of the game", and the blatantly obvious reason for that is fucking HP and armor, while the less obvious reason is unavoidable EXP attrition and the differences between unit types to it.Cats don't even get to be listed alongside Gals in the "murder olympics", because they lack the best damage scaling stat in the game, Strength, especially for fixed TU attacks. Reaction scaling effectively lets them skip up to laser tier in the earlygame. Using catgirls for melee is a good way to fill up your graveyard with expensive units. Catgirls being particularly strong or killy compared to any mutant with training is a gigantic meme just like ogres being slow or weak, it's people that don't pay attention to unit growth limits, slapping a bunch of random shit into squads, and being wowed by a unit type that has good bases but shit caps.
>>1749815Technically you can delay them pretty much arbitrarily by choosing not to research solar courier.
>>1749854it has been my experience that just having one in your inventory at midnight gives you the research item and allows for the next rank, but not the lookup for actually researching it. i have been able to avoid ranking up by selling it at the pogroms loot screen
How do you load up a convoy effectively? And gameplay-wise is large troop transport worth it? Glamour farming is the only thing that comes to mind, honestly. Up to 24 pawns to play each turn is wild. I get bored with 6
>>1749874>How do you load up a convoy effectively?24 peasants, the strong ones get an RPG and the weak ones get an LASStreat each peasant as a single-use fire-and-forget weapon. most maps will run out of enemies before you run out of rockets, for the rest simply bring more.
>>1749809Peasants are always various shades of garbage when recruited and don't have the TUs or melee to hit things with a sword. Give them a domestic shotgun or SMG and a bandage and they're good to go. Have them join your gals when clearing rooms and position them so they're the ones eating enemy shotgun blasts and not the gals. All gals are melee monsters and the early game is filled with bandits and nurses to smack with handles, ball bats and herder staffs. A gal in melee or with javelins can one shot dudes and even beat power armor. Guns can't do this, so give your gals cutlasses to go with their SMG/shotgun and get used to using it. Buy tribal outfits day 1. Shoot an enemy dead when the gals approach 50 morale (A 20% live capture rate is good enough to work with. More captures are a luxury and asking for wounds). Do not bother with ratmen, they've better melee and night vision than starting gals. Consider killing the first Church Priests instead of capturing, especially if they're holding a heavy shotgun or billhook. Play around with those hanging curtains that obscure doorways in some church layouts, you can stop an enemy pathing through and waste their turn by blocking valid routes through (and softlock the game if your soldiers get LoS on the enemy somehow during their turn, typically if the curtain is damaged and at oblique vision angles, so be mindful of that). Always do bandit camps at night, and during large camps actively target Drifters (and nearby dogs) since they have sniper/spotter and can carry Big Irons. Illuminate flanks with molotovs, hunting arrows, personal computers, or a magna-light (that you put back on your belt afterwards). Shot down bandits and your first landed scout/cutter follow the same principle and should really be done at night. Learning to play battlescape can't really be done through words, you just have to play more battles and learning what you can get away with on what maps. Have a high fight density, aborts are free.
>>1749809>>1749888Continued. Geoscape has a lot of structure and can be described in words; it's all just a build order and it's all a variation of unlocking Bounty Hunting, Warehouse Wars, Toppling Towers, Underwater Missions and Bandit Camps, whilst getting the Little Bird in the air, whilst also working towards building the Mess Hall, Personal Labs, Workshop, Sickbay and Overcharged Radar. Some players value building other bases filled with plantations before this, but I think there's more value in getting healthier gals and vision on landed craft sooner, than some extra money. Having a high fight density and doing as many missions as possible is the general answer for more money anyway through infamy. You can skip Ratman Rodeos and Freelance Pogroms to a large degree, depends how you feel.>>1749817And TUs. Ogres are comparatively disadvantaged in TUs and don't have access to MMA training, so they're always recruited with dire movement. Yes they can sprint, but they're always short 6-7 tiles compared to gals (10 or so in practice, since gals run to melee charge when they aren't positioning). That's the width of a typical mapblock, and since a board is a 2D plane, it means TUs roughly scale quadratically, not linearly. Gals and cats have so many more options on the board to be it's absurd. Cats even more so, despite not being able to fully utilise strength scaling (just use a rapier and pistol). Reactions are used whenever you attack inside enemy LoS (and get away with it). I never said assemble a diverse squad, I said use a mix of soldiers if you're not going all gals. I never thought I'd have to mention the obvious part about accommodating for ogres being slow and prone to getting shot. But you've made it clear you don't value positioning in favour of inviting enemy bullets to the face of an ogre. It's fine, but to proclaim that ogres are better than everything and cats are bad is opening yourself up for scrutiny and ridicule.
>>1749888Double barrel shotgun with peasants. I don't know why the fuck I thought domestic shotgun.
>>1749895As long as the gals aren't wearing a light outfit they don't have more mobility than an ogre, because ogres get a 10TU discount when wearing comparable armor to a gal. Ogre barragers have more TUs than fucking blitz cats. Ogres having bad movement is simply false.
>>1749939Hell, Ogres have a base TU cap of 85. They get more TUs than SS, Peasants, Bugeyes, Lokks, and Gnomes. Liquidator has 0 TU penalty for better defense than a gal's Tactical Armor (H). Humies have to take TU penalties just to wear a shitty 25 armor Tac Vest. Ogres are quite literally among the faster units available to the player.
>>1749939Yes anon, if you take a gal and put her in heavy armor and use her in a heavy armor/shooter role, she's lost the ability to freely position and gained the ability to be more tanky. This happens when you don't play to a race's inherent comparative advantage. All you demonstrate is that ogres are better heavy armor users (which everyone knows already, it's fucking obvious), and that forcing whatever peg into an ogre shaped hole leads to a sacrifice in versatility and value, reinforcing the erroneous idea that ogres are better than others at X. As for barrager, that's post Back to School and is available to build after the workshop and surgery have been finished, as well as sourcing a Technocracy robot, typically done by clearing a space mission if RNG doesn't give the player a landed Hopper. Ignoring a year's worth of gametime (the early game, the period that BUILDS the midgame and allows the barrager to exist as an option) where ogres are slow and the other races are fast makes for poor and disingenuous analysis.Barrager is neat though. It's the exception to the rule.
>>1749895TUs scaling quadratically is also a totally misleading claim because high movement gets quickly bottlenecked by energy consumption, which ogres are vastly superior to gals and catgirls in sustaining. A high freshness high HP Ogre Liquidator gets 48 energy regen base, while a Tac Armor (H) Gal gets 24 energy regen, and a fucking Guerrilla Catgirl gets like 42. This means that a tired ogre is faster than a tired catgirl, because his base regen is higher. It means that a low freshness ogre is also much, much faster than a low freshness catgirl, because most of the ogre's regen is HP based while most of the catgirl's is freshness based. It also takes way fucking longer for the ogre to get tired at all because he has vastly higher base stamina and freshness than the gal and the catgirl. This is all while having heavy ass armor and being able to carry like 100kg worth of shit AND having full shooting/throwing aptitudes. It's ridiculous, the unit does basically everything on top of being unkillable in exchange for not interacting well with a mechanic that's overall quite easy to nullify with one's playstyle.
>>1749965>if you take a gal and put her in heavy armor and use her in a heavy armor/shooter role, she's a strictly worse ogreFixed that for you.>As for barrager, that's post Back to School and is available to build after the workshop and surgery have been finished, as well as sourcing a Technocracy robot, typically done by clearing a space mission if RNG doesn't give the player a landed HopperBlitz cats need School Graduation and Divine Code.
>>1749969Again this is a poor analysis that hasn't accounted for comparative advantage. Ogres are armor users, their advantage is that wearing heavy armor doesn't penalise them. Other races are not heavy armor users, and they ARE penalised for wearing heavy armor. Comparing A to B when B is handicapped, not identifying the handicap, and then trying to present the result as a fair comparison is hilariously retarded (despite the correct observation that ogre energy regen is strong, and why they should sprint often).If anything, thank you for demonstrating my point that ogres should be mixed in with other unit types filling other roles. The ogre wears heavy armor so the gal doesn't have to, won't have to pay the armor penalty, and do something she excels at instead (although you've made it clear that you're anathema to the idea of anything not being in the biggest armor numbers at all times).Lastly, assuming total energy expenditure and constraining yourself to look at regen only, whilst ignoring everything that has happened until this point is stupid. Before energy is burned down, there are a number of turns where gals and cats have more stamina and TUs to spend, which yields more options to place units on the map, which yields a greater number of dead enemies compared to ogres. After that period, yes, we enter a regime where we constrained by regen, and ogres are playing to their comparative advantage (But as stated, you observe you get cats die in melee, I assume to you getting them killed, so you don't see this window where cats and gals run rings around ogres whilst killing shit faster than them). All your arguments up to this point have been flawed, your last one included. I'm glad you like ogres though, but claiming other races are bad is still dumb and myopic.
>>1749973>Blitz cats need School Graduation and Divine Code.This is an argument about why ogres aren't the be all and end all, not an exceptional data point that you picked and tabled in an attempt to prove a point. Cats are recruited day 1 with high TUs and stamina and don't need blitz to run around with a pistol that hits like a laser, whereas ogres need to wait a year to get this ability.
>>1749980>Ogres are armor users, their advantage is that wearing heavy armor doesn't penalise themAnd also that they have 2 to 4 times the HP of every unit in the game, de facto infinite energy, good shooting skills, power armor tier carry capacity, the next cheapest pay after Lokks, and the next highest speed after gals. That's a hell of a lot more than "they don't get penalties in heavy armor". If you think "uh they don't do LITERALLY everything just ALMOST everything" is a good argument then you have genuine brain damage. The design philosophy toward Ogres and Gals is quite clearly "they are good except [thing]" whereas the rest of the game's units are "they are bad except [thing]. Lokks, Cats, Bugeyes, and humans are all literal garbage outside their one gimmick while the mutants are a bunch of overstatted mary sues.>Before energy is burned down, there are a number of turns where gals and cats have more stamina and TUs to spendYou have evidently played very little Piratez without ogre crutches because you apparently don't even know what it's like using tac(H) or chainmail(S) gals, which were already good units, and having them cripple their mobility for the rest of the mission or chugging beers because of throwing a javelin or sprinting one turn. Ogres having better energy regen and base energy means they can sprint much more frequently, which directly translates into more movement relative to shots with TU% weapons, just like a cat gets by having higher base TUs. Better energy regen and base energy also means being able to use throwing weapons a lot more, which do absolutely devastating damage from Ogre strength and have very high reliability in their effective range. The cats' glorified Silver Snakes will not shoot more often than anyone else's Silver Snakes no matter if they have 20 or 30 more TUs.
>>1749973>if you take a gal and put her in heavy armor and use her in a heavy armor/shooter role, she's a strictly worse ogre... That's the exact point being made, just using different words you retard, you haven't fixed anything. Dressing up a gal and playing her like an ogre, isn't playing an uber gal, what part of>forcing whatever peg into an ogre shaped hole leads to a sacrificedidn't parse?You're so dense we could throw you into space and see the fucking lens.
so any chance that slave soldier route get anything?no there is no reason to even take it
>>1750006Gals were already oppressively strong units that the game was build to be beatable with the exclusive use of, and the premier heavy armor units of Piratez. They were the implicit "it's okay for them to be kinda OP because they are the main characters" race. For another unit to just show up and render armor gals entirely obsolete through direct power creep instead of role division is extremely questionable.
>>1750009i dont use ogres at all
>>1750015They aren't remotely necessary, because the game was already balanced for years around access to gal-level heavy armor units. A unit that's just heavy armor gals, but better, is therefore a stronger unit than the game was designed around.
>>1750018i dont use gals just peasants and dogs
>>1750019based John Silver enjoyer.
How to get around high star god reactions? I'm downing a lot of stargods planes with Nekomimi troop transport. It is hella expensive but a major step up in terms of firepower and fuel. But when I need to actually fight my top tier cats get blasted on the way out no matter the turn. There's a sectopod guarding the exit to MY craft and nuking everything that moves and I don't even have a library yet. Is it feasible or am I just wasting time?
>>1750009Sure, that's a fair observation. Ogres are indeed outright superior to gals in a number of metrics and it's a valid design to question design if the star of the show is losing their star. I'm unsure if outright labelling them obsolete is fair, however. Whilst ogre stats on paper are great, gals still have a laundry list of things they can leverage. One obvious example being they're no where near as rare with a 1/month recruitment limit, as mentioned way up. And whilst ogres indeed are super powerful, this isn't the point of the argument.The point was getting an explanation for that retarded tier list above and a claim that cats were so bad that they could be a misplay to field. >>1750001 has gone at length to show the obvious and that ogres are OP. Yeah, we get that. I've agreed with that observation many times now, but just because one thing is OP doesn't mean everything else suddenly stops working, they're merely a lot less competitive. All their arguments thus far can be roughly summarized as 'ogres are good therefore everything else bad', which is obvious, and I haven't yet gotten them into explaining why a cat, something that isn't limited to 1/month, is bad based on her own (de)merit. They're still cherrypicking dressing gals in heavy armor and also having them sprint/use throwing weapons as a line of argument, for instance, which isn't properly leveraging a gals stamina pool for maximum movement and offense.
>>1750036ogres are gay thoif you field ogres you are gay
If anything on your roster doesn't have tits (dogs exempted) you are gay.
>>1750042preach brother
holy fuck I came across the leddit news of xpirates discord getting nuked>people unironically saying xpirates was a game about feminist empowermenthahah holy shit did the LITERAL PORN PIN UPS not clue them in?
IT'S OVER CTHULU, I HAVE THE HIGH GROUNDjezzus TFTD is an unbalanced mess
>>1750009except ogres are just stupidly rare and getting a team of them is basically impossible without cheesing.
>>1745011>Positioning is the king of the battlefield.not with the retarded detection system>want to ambush aliens getting out of a door>ooops you didn't place your soldiers perfectly perpendicular to the door, no reaction for you!>ooops you placed them on the adjacent tile, no reaction for you!Raiding ships in Vanilla xcom was a royal pain in the ass, there's like 3 viable ambush placements in all ships combined because reaction handles doors and corners like total ass, so the only decent strategy was parking the team outside the main exit and waiting for turn 20 to hit, or just nuking the whole thing.Also Xpirates has a completely different stat balance, like other anons said. You need to play endgame more.>>1745053utils make or break fights.
If ogres got there max stat caps changed; firing 120 -> 105 , TU 85 -> 75, HP 160 -> 140. (for example) Would anyone that uses them, stop using them? I know i would still use them; but i don't think they would be rated first in as many "roles" as they are now, but would still let them fill a niche. And i have no issue with gals being the top dogs over the other races.
>>1750009>render armor gals entirely obsoleteHow in the fuck are you recruiting enough ogres to ever render gals obsolete. It takes literal years to recruit enough ogres to make an entire team of, and that assumes that you never lose even one.
>>1750044>a band of women who see men as inferior beings fighting against another band of women who see men as inferior beingsReally activates the ol' almonds, huh
>>1750036The issue isn't inherently that ogres take over a role that was formerly held by gals, since as you said gals have so many options anyway, it's that they power creep on an area in which the player (through gals) was already strong. Gal-based units, among which heavy armor gals were already considered solid, were already strong enough to make one tend to avoid using other units in the first place. This is because gals' net performance is good enough that it's attractive to use and limit oneself to strategies that exclusively or mostly run gals in your crew slots over, say, ones that run gals+lokks, or gals+SS, even if other options offer "utility" that gals do not. If attacking is overall better than defending then the strong strategies will inevitably start to centralize on attacking as much as possible. Likewise, if gals are 'just overall better than' other units then strategies will centralize on gals, and if ogres manage to be "even better than gals", then good strategies will centralize on using ogres and gals specifically, because even if other units bring something else to the table, that "something" simply isn't good enough not to have another 160 HP 120 STR 120 firing supercombatant onto the board. Knights can do something queens can't but "more queens" is still generally better as an option than "more knights", and thus introducing "more of something better than queens" into the mix makes the "more knights" option even worse. As for gals being normal mode, non gals being hard mode, and ogres being easy mode, that isn't inherently an issue, since Piratez is a strategy sandbox where you can choose how hard to make the game for yourself. The point being made when calling ogres OP and gals superior is to draw attention to what stats make them so good in the first place, the most blatant ones being HP, STR, and Armor.
>>1750212For example, capped catgirls actually have slightly more total stats (trainable stats, I don't count the others like base armor or vision mainly because they get technically overwritten by outfits anyway). Despite that, they're noticeably weaker than properly trained gals, because their stats are mostly concentrated in redundant weapon skills (you can only hold so many weapons, and only use your TUs on one at a time), while being much worse in almost all the "force multiplier" stats that assist you no matter what weapon you're holding: HP, STAM, STR, armor, freshness, etc. 15 more TUs and 25 more reactions is simply not good enough to justify 45 less HP, 40 less strength, 10 less Fresh/stam, and so on.
>>1750223For example, capped catgirls actually have slightly more total stats than capped gals*
>>1750051They're guaranteed from !Socializing!, so at worst you pay a research tax in the form of that and their unique armor line, or wait to capture a bandit boss and roll Nunity from interrogations, to permanently establish a drip feed of units that are basically way better than the other market-recruitment options. You never don't recruit them because they charge very little pay, and you never don't feed them missions because they have the best caps in the game by a pretty big margin. Ogres seem to me like they're based on mechanics like Sacreds in Dominions, you pay an up front cost for the privilege to get limited-recruitment elite units. These units are small in number early in the campaign but because they are elite forces, when used right, they will take low attrition and you will accumulate a significant force of them by the midgame. In dominions, this is fine because battles scale infinitely, and non-sacred troops increase in quantity faster than elite Sacred troops will, but in Xpiratez the scale of battles is constantly constrained by your crewspace limit. The transport ship mechanic inherently biases Xcom strategy in favor of quality over quantity tactics, meaning jumping through a couple hoops to get a supply of purpose-made elite troops to fill your crew slots is a pretty easy choice. Ogres will fill up your A team over time just by existing because there are so many reasons to use them and so few reasons not to use them.But well, it's ultimately the player choice if they want to use them at all. My main point is that ogres are strong evidence that HP is not even remotely a "low tier stat", not that ogres are ruining the game or anything like that.
>>1750062I'd be leery about nerfing their HP or their strength, since that's what makes them ogres to begin with. Nerfing firing and/or throwing makes sense in terms of flavor (they're simpletons) and creates another point where they're different from the baseline, instead of diminishing an area that makes them unique, and lower firing would make them bias more away from precision firearms as would be expected from a heavy gunner role. I think 85 TUs is actually the right amount for them, ogres are supposed to be stupid rather than slow.Something like firing 120 -> 90~100 throwing 90 -> 75~80 would make them more interesting in my opinion, they'd still be brutes with incredible durability and physical prowess but they would have subpar precision in every weapon class. You can still obliterate things with 100 damage javelins but they won't be master archers with superhuman strength and stamina. They can still vomit explosions everywhere with 5 magazines of explosive autocannon ammo but they can't be 180 HP snipers.
>>1750044you may not know but dioxine is self proclaimed feminist and white knight - his own words
>>1750269I'd give them like 60 firing. Ogres shouldn't get to use any guns more accurate than a heavy flamer/slaughter cannon/minigun. They're laborers, not supersoldiers.
Is it worth it?
>>1750253>They're guaranteed from !Socializing!, so at worst you pay a research tax in the form of that and their unique armor line, or wait to capture a bandit boss and roll Nunity from interrogations, to permanently establish a drip feed of units that are basically way better than the other market-recruitment options. You never don't recruit them because they charge very little pay, and you never don't feed them missions because they have the best caps in the game by a pretty big margin.That is true, but unless you are loading during the battlescape losses are inevitable, and usually it's your best frontline unit the first to get it.managing attrition is the name of the game here>dominionsbased but fights in dom are rarely on equal footing and you'll either curbstorm or get demolishedBut yeah, thinking of xpirates as xcom gameplay misses that xcom carefully balances units around low HP and uses armor distribution and damage types to force you to minimize damage via positioning, and anything can get 1-hit killed by heavy plasma. That carelful balance goes down the drain when you units have x3 the HP
>>1750299I think it's very unlikely that ogres played right will take much permanent attrition at all, since they inherently favor a very low-risk playstyle of dumping all your TUs through a very big gun or bow down range and then ending turn behind full cover, and have the durability to survive a maxroll Heavy Plasma hit with pre-BTS gear pre-commends (liquidator, shotgun shield, radiator shirt, full HP). They mainly suffer time attrition by being put out of commission for months on end if they do need to leverage their high HP for tanking (instead of just generating infinite stamina), which combined with their scarcity and expensive research logistics can make an argument that they're not OP per se, but at least in terms of craft seat space they are ridiculously good.
>>1750293Spamming cigars or, Destroyer forbid, smokes in every mission is very anti fun, so no.
>XCF"You want vampire missions?"No?"TOO BAD, FUCK YOU. Also, ghost missions!"
>>1750212This is all very well and sound in principle, but again this is boiling down to 'ogres are great, therefore everything else is bad, utility niches be damned'. Yes it's a brutal minimisation and your observations are not wrong, but it would be too narrow to fixate on HP, STR and having everyone wear heavy armor. You think otherwise and get good value out of big chonky stacks of HP and armor, I think two spots on the team need cats in grav boots and get good value out of one turn melee murder sprees in the UFO/urban maps. But I've repeated myself enough already.
>>1750366If you read what people say instead of spamming a strawman over and over again you wouldn't have this issue. I don't even particularly care whether ogres are OP or not, I can just choose not to use them. My point is that ogres prove HP is a powerful stat, and it's a powerful stat because it includes STAM regen (every armor in the game derives stam regen from HP), EXP preservation (wounded and KOed units don't cause EXP attrition), and crisis prevention (living units can keep acting whereas dead units cannot). HP is a total force multiplier stat just like STR and TUs.
>>1750366Oh and if you're trying to say in a roundabout way that other units aren't bad compared to ogres you're simply wrong. Contextually effective =/= strong. Strong means at worst mediocre in almost any situation. Contextually effective means useful in select situations and dead in others.
i am bored of you fags barking at each other
>>1750396kill yourself
>>1750400cant do, too much hp and armor
>>1750401lol. lmao.
>>1750401kek
>>1750050Did you enjoy the nigh unkillable lobstermen, long as fuck missions, and blaster launcher spam at the endgame?
>>1750520>Did you enjoy the nigh unkillable lobstermenno. I had to reload from 2 separate total party kills then psi-cheese it as soon as I found a lasothI appreciate what they tried to do but they objectively fucked up.>let's shake up gameplay by:>replacing the auto heavy plasma with a high acc sniper weapon>ooops we forgot to add a weaker full auto option to compensate.>gauss? what the fuck is that for? >hey what if we actually distributed armor inequally so you are made to use strategic positioning?>do we have an equally distributed armor to compensate? aqua plastic maybe? >lol no they are all straight improvements btw it's worth 3 times more than power armor>let's mix the alien species up>flying shooter that shits on your cover? gone. just gone.>high reaction high hp shooter? triplicate his hp but now he's blind, mute and psi-retarded and inmune to explosions. would be actually nice if he wasn't immortal against all but the one-shot per turn guns and appears on month 2 when you team is still 100% rookies>can see you through smokes? nope it's gone you get a useless green retard>lasoth were legit good>btw there's no endgame enemy. those special needs lobsters are all you get>shit people complain geoscape is too unfair>i know let's force you to take 12 extra hard one time only missions as soon as you research a starter tech so you can't detect 80% of them>it's ok you get 10 mill per successful mission completely trivializing you economy>btw there's no psi-strong enemy, the game's over as soon as you get 2 high psis to survive for a monththere were objectively good ideas here and there. But they work as additions to UFO defense, not on their own. I don't know if it was literal tech limitations they made the game basically unplayable to all but masochists. Piss easy geoscape but impossible battlescape.>and blaster launcher spam at the endgame?that's just normal xcom
>>1750536Also who the FUCK thought it was a good idea to force you through 3 levels of stairs on a colony raid
>>1750536>I don't know if it was literal tech limitations they made the game basically unplayable to all but masochists.It's because there was a bug in the original X-Com, which someone noticed in 1998 or so, which reset the difficulty to the lowest after the first mission of a campaign. They didn't know about this until WELL after they'd released TfTD. So basically they got a lot of feedback from people going "I really liked this game but even on the hardest difficulty it's kinda easy, isn't it?"And they looked at that, looked at their difficulty settings, said "Okay then", and then made TfTD.
>>1750547was that really the official story or just fanon?Also even then, it ain't about the difficulty, it's just an unfortunate rebalance of items and armor that would mesh well if *added* to main xcom guns, but not *replaced* them
>>1750555Dunno. It's the story I've heard. I couldn't cite you a specific interview or anything.
anyone know of any patch incoming or should i just start my new save now
Eat more apples
>>1750779I can't read your mind to figure out which patch you're talking about but both piratez and XCF have updated recently so I wouldn't expect another update anytime soon.
>>1749654wait a second... Is this true?
>>1751032Yes, missing hp is missing hp and the game does not care how you've lost it. You can farm soft target or battle-scarred by using 2 smokes, from my experience missing only 1 hp sometimes does not award the medal, rounding problem or something? I don't know, missing 2 hp seems to work every time.
>>1750007So far it's a personal challenge I'm thinking of starting a campaign with the boys next time since I usually drop the runs midway and they don't really have that much more problems up to the early mid game (read 1 year+)
>>1750007You get extra odds of disciples of twilight, truck rotogun can carry a lot of early missions, and it's the only way to get the 7 heroes on no codex route
>>1751044its nothingtell dio that it sucks and he sucks too
>>1751044>extra odds of disciples of twilightwhoa it's fucking nothing >truck rotogunlmao>7 Heroes>a challenge inside a challenge run
>>1751067>a challenge inside a challenge runIt's extremely easy if you get the tribals in catacombs missions, keeping all of them alive is 30 blessings and if you prioritize race locations for bases you'll easily get the required amount
>>1742334Turns out all the new personality types block chaos saint.
>>1751146Guess that needs a more extreme personality to be meaningful.
>>1751146How the heck do you get Chaos Saint then?Only the 4 old ones?
>>1751153Yes, but why would you ever not go for chaos saint form gameplay perspective?
>>1751172Because some personalities are shit and you wanna play a specific codex?
>>1750536>that's just normal xcomI was referring more to the enemies, it's like every aquatoid was packing heat as opposed to the one or two in Cydonia.
>>1751146there's some pretty interesting Trainings unique to the new jrpg class captains though. Priest, Ruler and Thief each have a unique training and they're all rather good.even though i normally shill chaos saint i think it's fine to ignore it and play the new stuff instead. it doesn't get you anything other than the gimmick missions.
>>1751178happened backwards to me. t'leth had 8 out of 10 enemies packing... the stun gun. year 1 so I was technically on super late game so maybe i just broke it. desu the nuke stops being a concern in both games because you are not beholden to not just nuking everything too, and have plenty of expendables to scout. Real problems in the final cydonia was the psi rape and chrys ambushes. t'leth was done with robot scouts tanking nukes then just mind controlling the ayys.with that said survival rate to the nuke is a tad higher in tfdf because the frontal armor is ridiculous.
Allright anons, I feel beta testing relise is getting closer and closer.
>>1751190Release of what?
Every year I try to beat The World of Terrifying Silence for TFTD and I just started my run yesterday, wish me luck because I’m bad at the game and it’s hard
>>1751324There's a point where it just gets annoying. One Science Ship/Colony Assault mission is fine, but the next 40 of those is just annoying.
>>1751330I’ve thought about making a sub mod to cut out some of the autistic bloat but figured I want be able to complete it without save scumming first. There’s a lot of cool changes but things get autistic fast
I wish syns were less rare...They're so good
