Angry about art edition
>>1785790I can't believe the wokists are putting black people into my rts!
>>1785785What's the problem?
>>1785803>have low res art from original game>"Hmmmm, how do we get this to high res? I KNOW! We'll use AI upscaling! :^)">one problem, you could just use the original unaltered paintings that already exist>you have made your product worse for no reason.
>>1785810>for some images that the players will look at most 5 seconds before select the god for the next era
>>1785810Wait maybe I'm misunderstanding. I thought you were saying the right looks worse than the left. Which one is which? Label this shit.
>>1785785This one honestly isn't that bad, it is identical to the original. The only thing that is kinda bad is how smooth it is. Which is just an issue with all modern art.
>>1785822Right one is the original, left one is the new one.They claimed it wasn't done with AI. If true, their artist is very bad.The worst one is picrel, but op is still bad. One thing I hate is the fighting hoplites on his helmet being replaced by a flower.
>>1785865NTA but I also though the right one in OP was the new one. Yeah I see what's the issue now.Also that cat has to be at least partially AI generated.
>>1785865if I was some flip artist on fiverr I'd just ai generate a picture and paint over the imperfections. I'm convinced this is what we're looking at here.
>>1785878Interestingly this is done for IRL paintings too:I once talked with a guy selling paintings to tourists in Paris, he explained that all his paintings were printed then slightly painted over
>>1785785the funny thing is AoM community seems to be putting a lot of faith into this game, i expect it to be reforged level of a disaster
>>1785939I don't see why it would. Just like AoE:DE (garbage) was an irrelevant remaster that was intended as a test run for AoE2:DE (awesome), AoE3:DE (kind of alright) will be used as a model for AoM which is very similar game mechanically. And 3 is far more complicated than AoM, so it's going to be hard to fuck it up after all they've learned so far.
I don't understand how the devs can claim that they aren't just running these through an AI filter. Unit models look fine, but seesh the portraits are awful.
>>1785810But it's clearly not AI upscaled
>>1785785This one isn't AI. It wouldn't be able to depict the patterns on his armour as anything but nonsense.>>1785865Now THIS one is a completely different story, look at the fingers of her left hand - that's clearly AI.
>>1786217What's wrong with the fingers
>>1785785It doesn't look too bad. They fucked up his eyes though
Why does it need a remaster
>>1786278The search for more money
>>1785785Next time label the images, op
>>1786398Wtf the new one looks like total shit by comparison. I thought it was the other way around
>>1785810This is not an AI upscale nor enhance, you dumb fucking faggot. Can't tell if you're paranoid dumb, or just stupid in general.They literally give the original arts to interns in the design department and told them to redraw them.
>>1786671It doesn’t look like that was redrawn by a person, look at the helmet. An AI failed to interpret the hoplites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0WO3YXiOuEthey better not fuck up the soundtrack
>>1786865Nah, AI would fuck up a lot more details on the helmet and armour.
>>1787078Are they changing the soundtrack at all? Did they change it for AoE3DE?
>>1785982>so it's going to be hard to fuck it up after all they've learned so far.I have faith they'll manage to pull defeat from the jaws of victory
>>1786865Or maybe a person only looked at the low res version and failed to interpret it correctly?Or just didn't feel like doing hoplites?
the nu-ui looks like garbage
>>1785785I don't get it. The picture on the right looks way better.
>>1787762The picture on the right was the original which they decided not to use for some reason
enough about the shitty art how bad are they going to fucked up the gameplay?
>>1787777Holy shitWhy would they even do that?
>>1787789We already know- by reworking the game to appeal to esports players who aren't game designers
This is what happens when you use contractors to save money. those contractors will subcontract your work out to indians or even north koreans (look up what happened with invincible) who will use cheap labor or even AI to get it done and call it good. but since nobody but the final contractor was aware that AI was used in creating the piece they deny that AI was used and now every single layer involved in the mess basically agrees that no AI was used even though everybody pretty much knows that AI was used.
>>1787903AI does for free what Indians did for a dime and a white man did for a quarter.
>>1787903>North KoreansWait what
>>1787942the cost of operating a sloppa machine 9000 is still not profitable enough to fully replace artistsif you're fine with objectively shit creations, then yeah, whatever, but if you want to pretend that what you're looking at is good, better invest in 4090s. And even the most commissioned furry artists will charge less in the end
Which patheon do you guys think the second DLC will introduce? I'm guessing a Mesoamerican.
>>1788293My picks:>Aztec/Mayan>Hindu>Sumerian>Zoroastrian/PersianCould be interesting but would basically be clones:>Roman>Japanese>SlavicNever ever:>Abrahamic (you pick prophets/important figures instead of minor gods)
>>1788313How are you missing Celtic? Or were they announced already
>>1788322Celts would go in the clone pile with Slavs, I figure they'd overlap with Norse a fair bitAnd Fomorians and Kelpies aren't high on my list of cool mythological creatures
>>1788293American presidents
>>1788327Do they get favour by getting a villager to thank a military unit for their service?
>>1788330>>1788327kino, what would the three major gods be?My choice would be Washington (for obvious reasons), Jefferson (represents American populism and ruralism), and Adams (represents urbanism and elitism)
>>1788418Nixon, Bush and Trump
>>1787956>North Koreansyes, they get subcontracts, mostly from chinese companies. the world of contracting is a black hole.
>>1788293I am hoping for Slavs, Mesopotamia or Shinto.
>>1788326>overlap with NorseNot at all. Issue however is, that we don't really now much about Celtic gods. Even Romans were very sparse with the info.But little we have, is quite different from Nordics.
>>1788330>>1788418It's a silly idea I had ever since AoE3 got an American civ out of the blue. I mean, there are some cool cryptids and folk heroes that could make it into the civ, and honestly I'd simply love to see some cowboys lassoing a hydra.I also thought about a medieval Christian civ (a natural opponent for the Norse) where you choose patron saints - major ones being: St. George (cavalry and farmers), St. Maurice (infantry), and St. Barbara (artillery and mining). Myth units taken from European legends, while favor would be generated from relics that you put into mobile reliquaries that can accompany your serfs at work or your army in battle (you get an extra relic each time you pick a saint to age up).
>>1788327Do the villagers all travel in chariots?
>>1785785I don't understand what your issue is
>>1788929Then your opinion is worthless to me
>>1788565It's not mythological units I'd be worried about as far as overlap goes, it's the rest of the units and general playstyleWhat would differentiate them from Norse mechanically and aesthetically?One of the nice things about AoM is that each civ is very different compared to each other, Mesoamerican and Mesopotamian civs could easily follow that tradition, whereas civs like Japan and Slavs (and Celts) you'd see that overlap
>>1788326Celts have little overlap with the Norse. Two completely different cultures.
>>1785785I'm not liking how the animation for the special attacks seems so quick and muted. In the trailer the medusas froze those gigantes instantly, I like how in the original they would struggle to move in place before being totally frozen. And from what I've seen of the gameplay from that spanish video, the mountains giants special actions seem more liveless too. In the original, they leaned more back and looked like they were bellowing to smash that club down with extra fuck you energy. It really feels like they are trying to hard to make this speedy so special attacks happen more often, but the lose a lot of the charm. It could be ok if the animation was faster but at least make it more dynamic looking. Some of my favorite moments were trying to kill a cyclops before it could throw one of units.
>>1788293Thracian would be based.
>>1788955In a different game they could generate favour via the terrain by doing shit like sending druids onto hills to pray or tossing valuables into rivers as sacrifices
>>1788290a 4090 is definitely an overkill. you can do away with a 3060 or even any modern macs/macbooks.
>>1787789God powers recharge universally, for all factions. Also unit abilities are manually triggered instead of automated. And There's a 5th age now, which drastically decreases the cost of all units from the mythic age.
>>1789655> unit abilities are manually triggered instead of automatedThis is so stupid... Abilities will be balanced around top players who will micro these units well, meaning they will be worse for 95% of players
>>1789655>AoE2 gets automated farming and scouting>AoM gets manual abilitiesIt'll get rolled back or made into a toggled option, either by launch or in a later patch
>>1789950Now this is really shitty AI art
>>1789761It will be a toggled optionBut most powers will need to be nerfes hard for this, which auck for casual players who don't want to micro all their mythic units
Minor god selection screen
>>1791126>Soulless >Soul
>>1791126Holy shit this UI looks awful. And the devs trying to tell people the art isn't AI generation is hilarious.
>>1791126Why are the portraits sooo smaaaaall? Are they ashamed of their AI sloppa so much that they're trying to make it as invisible as they can?
>>1791126we were orcs and shiet
>>1791126>>1791133I swear, this kind of people are the very reason of why stupid shit like Stormgate exist.Winning like baby whores about pity shit...
>>1791301>Winning like baby whoresuhh ... mods. we have a hecking yikes here
>One of the devs of Retold is a chinkOf course.
>>1785810none of you faggots would know ai from non ai cause the only tell is if theres some fuckup or if its the same art station style that a million pros used to train ai to begin with.glad its not going anywhere and i hope more companies use it more to free up funds for more gameplay development
>>1785865>very bad>cant even drawlooks good, youre just retarded
>>1788313What mythology would Japanese be a clone of.>>1791126Did they make the new portraits so hideous so people would buy the premium edition that comes with the old portraits modded in, Ptah is literally a Martian.>>1791624That is why they can't innovate and instead make shitty demake
>>1791687>What mythology would Japanese be a clone of.The Chinese, but his reasoning is stupid, because no shit that the Japanese folklore is influenced for the Chinese...
>>1791687>What mythology would Japanese be a clone of.Greek obviously, Susasnoo killing Orochi is a retelling of Herk killing the hydra
>>1791687>What mythology would Japanese be a clone of.Seriously?
>>1791693>the reasoning is stupid because it's logicalAlso work on your English, ESL.
I struggle to imagine how any new civ could be designed to play in a novel way that also isn't shit.
>>1787777maybe it has something to do with the website of the artist being shutdown
>>1791133>bast is a goddess of protection and catsand you people defend this shitwonder what would you think if you learned that egyptians didnt give a shit about cats and bred them on farms specifically to be mummified
>>1791958how does that stop bast from being the patron of cats? what the fuck are you trying to communicate here?
>>1791933They're going to either be carbon copies with slight differences or extremely gimmicky but in a dumb way.
>>1791958Do you like having autism?
>>1791933All I know is the Aztecs would sacrifice people at their temples for favour
>Bast, or as some say, Bastet.
>>1792127You'd either have to kill your own units, which is shit, or you'd have to "capture" enemy units, which would play as the Norse mechanic but worse
>>1788313Aside from persians I don't really want any of that
>>1787777>decided not to use for some reasonThey're selling the originals in game.
>>1792343they're not the originalsthat's the problem
>>1788290Who cares if what I look at is good if the slopsumers will still buy it?
>>1791291Yes.
>>1792262What mythologies interest you, aside from Persian (and ones already ingame)?
>>1791126i will forever hate Skyrim for making this kind of minimalist UI widespread
>>1785785>look at OPs image in the catalog>"what is he talking about, right looks good compared to how shit top left looks">get a bad feeling that right is not actually the new one>enter thread>top left is the new oneRetard cattle will buy this shit. >>1791126>>1791133>soulless minimalist UI
>>1788293Mesoamerocan (specifically Atzec) seems so logocal, I would be shocked it doesn't appear before other options> Plenty of myth unit variety> Fairly recognizable> An unique aesthetic> Favor generation is easy to figure out: sacrifice units, whether by killing enemies close to temples or by outright having a prisoner-taking mechanic> Adds an excuse to add Central and North American mapsLike, Mesopotamian would be cool too, but how would they even generate favour uniquely? By presenting ziggurats as temples-markets where you directly exchange resources for favour (thus mosy myth units cost only favour)? Seems dumb.West African, particularily the one found in the Niger River area, would be cool and with plenty of unit variety, on top of easy favour generation mechanic (you designate trees/mines/bushes as sacred, you can't gather that resource anymore but you get a trickle of favour, that increases if an opponent tries to harvest from it); but then... who the fuck knows anything about it in the West?Celtic would be an absolute pain in the neck to present, for opposite reasons as the West Africans
>people talking about the potential for lots of new civs/pantheonsAren't they trying hard to appeal to the esports crowd with Retold? That's what I remember reading in previous threads about this game. They're already reworking how god powers function. AoM isn't like AoE where most of the civs are virtually the same but with a unique unit and with some techs in the shared tech tree turned on or off. Adding a bunch of new civs in a way that actually makes them feel unique will likely throw off the balance pretty hard. Competitive players are still mad to this day about the Atlanteans, let alone the Chinese, and their impact on things.
>>1794074I am not so sure about the favour generation. It makes sense, yes; but human sacrifice seems too mature for AoM. And watering it down would only make it too similar to the Norse.
>>1794080I agree but that isn't going to stop the devs from trying to sell you more factions to play as, that's just how xbox rolls. They would destroy the concept of factions being asymmetrical as long as it makes them more money.
>>1794074>>1794186Were Aztecs one of the native groups that got censored in AoE3?
>>1794462Not really.
>>1794462They were given the Community Plaza in place of the Fire Pit, but that's about it.The catch is that, even in the original, they never directly reference human sacrifice: the closest they get to that is the Warrior Priest being very strong in melee (unlike other healers forced to attack) and referencing the Garland/Flower Wars by name.In other words, the fact they didn't get censored much in the remake of AoE3 isn't really a sign that human sacrifice would be fine in AoM...That being said, I do think "sacrifice captives" wouldn't move the needle too much in the rating.>>1794186>And watering it down would only make it too similar to the Norse.Even if they did away with the captive sacrifice entirely, you can make them distinct from the Norse by having killing units, not damaging them, generate favour... including deleting your own.
>>1794636>including deleting your own.That would be fucking retarded.
>>1791133Nostalgia bias
>>1786217Fingers look passable to me. For me it's how every single part of the character and costume/props are redesigned, but none of it goes together or resembles the original.It put an actual housecat head on a sexy female body when the original is just a cohesive cat creature. If they wanted to make the character sexy, then why use an actual kitty cat head? I think they manually did some of it as well, like the headdress and wristbands, because they look like shit. A zoomer furry who just got their first drawing tablet would have done a better full redesign.
>>1793961The shitty UI with the transparent/flat backgrounds, little icons, and complete lack of thematic stylization started before Skyrim, here's Civ V (2010). But no doubt Skyrim helped make it prominent. All game menus look like this now.One of the best parts of Kingdom Come Deliverance for me was the UI, it was refreshing because the modern design was already stale back then. Yet games are still doing this 6 years later.
>>1788418Abe Lincoln would be a good tier 3 but I don't see how you can balance around losing all your workers
>>1795352Workers are "free" now.As in, cost no resources
>>1795352It doesn't change muchBeforehand: workers require food and shelterAfter: workers require only gold
>>1795554>>1795479
>>1791133One thing really weird thing about this is that they decided to completely change deity portraits, but for some reason they reuse some of the icons art. If you look some they even just stretched the original icons (all those jpeg artifacts), and altered it slightly (i.e. giving them colored backgrounds for that WoW skill look).Part of me wonders if they changed chief designers half-way, and the portraits were last minute decisions from the top or marketing...
>>1786398>>1785865Is this tax evasion? This is tax evasion right?
>closed beta this weekend for people who bought the premium editionI guess we will know whether the remake is passable or a new reforged very soon
>>1788955>MesoamericanYes, they would be quite different from the existing civilizations>MesopotamianThey would be rather similar to the Egyptians. At least as close as the Norse would be to the Gaels/Gauls/Britons.
>>1785865I'm surprised they have that much titty showing in the new portrait
>>1798815the time of copium has come
>>1785865>graficscat is now a god(desswhoa
>>1799252I hate how it looks near identical lol
>>1799131The time for the people who think that Reforged was """bad""", and want some cheap whoring attention has come indeed.
>>1789655>unit abilities are manually triggered instead of automatedeveryone praised autocast when it first appeared, and now it's verboten?
>>1799667Go be revisionist somewhere else
>>1799667>Mfw
>>1799912eat a dick mod porn addict
StarCraft had the right idea, just make it toggable and call it a day
>>1799990but how else would microsoft monetize the game
>>1799667Reforged was bad.
>>1799667>The time for the people who think that Reforged was """bad"""That time is always
beta for this just dropped a few minutes ago and it is a literal trainwreck flop holy shit
>>1800146>>1800162No wonder no one takes you people seriously anymore.
>>1800183damage report
>>1800188>being an unironic blizzard drone in year 2024 of our lord
>>1800193>being an unironic anti-blizzard drone in year 2024 of our lord when anything else in vidyagames is way worsse
Here's what I've observed so far>they changed arkantos's and athena's VA, while all the other units are the same>the new hydra model>son of osiris is now a huge dude. The size of gargarensis
>>1800204>they changed arkantos's and athena's VA, while all the other units are the samebut...why
>>1800206God knowsI didn't see any option to use the original VA, hopefully it's just a beta thing but eh..Let me know if you want the art of any of the gods
>>1800206Gonna laugh so hard for you poor anglos if they keep the other languages the same.
>>1800183ARGUMENT YOUR CASE FIEND
>>1800208Did they change Gaia art and model?
>>1800222of course, we already knew about her Groot-ificationidk about the model since map editor isn't in the game yet, but I have to assume they've changed it as well.
>>1800222Does a bear shit in the woods
>>1800208Would
>>1800208Can you post Leto, Theia, Sekhmet and Odin?
>>1800224She looks like weirder version of SMT Danu
>>1791126I don't think the UI is that horrible honestly, at least it has some sense of identity and tries to match the theme of the civilizations. Compared with AoE4 for example that looks decent>>1800224That looks goofy as shitIt's not that it's a bad design it just doesn't fit a greek god
>>1800224What was the actual reason for this change? The Greeks themselves depicted her as a human. Is this another case of some pudgy Anglo-derived bluehair deciding she knows better?
>>1800232Tbf Ensemble depicted Kronos as a lava lizard monster so this isn't too bad.
>>1800226get in line pal
>>1800234they had the opportunity to fix Kronos and keep Gaia the same but they just made it worse instead
>>1800224What about Prometheus?IIRC his titan form is was a giant mud kaiju but as a minor god he was depicted as a human>>1800232>What was the actual reason for this change?The only practical reason would be to also change her titan model which was a woman in a leaf bikini,
>>1800235Fine, I'll wait
>>1800240>The only practical reason would be to also change her titan model which was a woman in a leaf bikini,AND MY FIRST GTS FAP I'LL NEVER FORGIVE MICROSOFT
Wait, did they removed the Helepolis from the missions A Fine Plan or was that only in Titan difficulty?
>>1800240>>1800228Alright here I added them all to one image.If it brings you any comfort I think Bastet is still the worst one.
>Prometheus is still humanLolAt that point why change Gaia's portrait to transgroot? they could just have changed the model itself.
>>1800253Leto has man hands
The voice acting is badREALLY fucking badhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWIkDap8hhsGo to about 1 hour and 10 minutes before live, and see the cutscene at the start of the game
>>1800253Theia predictably censored hard
>>1800206They wanted accents that sound more Greek.
>>1800208>>1800253These are downgrades compared to the originals, but not as bad as I expected. The originals had a very clear and fairly consistent 90s mythology encyclopedia style, while these seem a bit less cohesive.
i didn't remember TC being avaliable on classic age, the booming strat is so disgusting
>>1800266There is simply no way to compete with the original. The art was so iconic that Zeus, Isis and Thorr basically became stock images. No matter how much they try they'll never capture it again.I still think the art could be better. Just because they can't compete doesn't mean they shouldn't try.
>>1800268Poseidon's AoM art was featured in a music video
>>1800253>Odin>Wielding an axe
been trying to find any contact info on David Cherry to inform him of the travesty being inflicted upon his work
>>1800264>Theiahere is a bigger picture
>>1800273>>1800253>Atlas>Holding the WorldEVERY FUCKING TIMETHE HEAVENSHE HELD THE FUCKING HEAVENSTHATS WHAT A FUCKING REMAKE SHOULD BE FIXING
Apparently they're adding new god powers that cost favor, for each major god
>>1785785Griffth from Berserk really let himself go.
>>1800283Bolt is 75 favor to cast again, I think its a bit expensive for gp spam
>>1800294expensive recast in the early game is the right choice the wonder age for late game spam is also the right choice
>>1800253Atlas looks midly annoyed and his muscles look like they're made of play-dough.
>>1800204That hydra looks terrible, holy shit.
>>1800232>>1800232Titans are supposed to be "monstrous" to the devs both now and back during the original launch, all while ignoring that Gaia isn't even a Titan.
>>1800224Looks like generic fantasy garbage and nothing like a mythological character from ancient times. Its even doing flashy magic for fucks sake
>>1800283That's not new, it's just buffing the original upgrade.
>>1800283>>1800308that's a tech
Does Atalanta still have a huge rack? I assume not.
>>1800307>Looks like generic fantasy garbage and nothing like a mythological character from ancient times. Its even doing flashy magic for fucks sakeSounds like they nailed the original aesthetic. Nice.
>>1800316Not only is that not even the same deity, that's a corpse.
>>1800316even the worst art in the original is miles better than any of the slop in the rtold version
>>1800317It's a generic fantasy character doing flashy magic. Doesn't even have any of the aesthetic traits Nephthys was typically depicted with, like her characteristic headdress.
Oh boy this is gonna ruffle some feathersThey added female berserkers
>>1800320>Skadi looking like a WarCraft character>Sekhmet and Osiris with glowing Marvel eyes>Hathor, Nephthys and Ptah doing flashy magicNostalgiabros... avert your eyes...
>>1800320lets not go that far
>>1800325>not even bare chested
>>1800325Female warriors were a thing in Norse mythology and people post genderswapped art of ancient warriors on this very board all the time.
>>1800327I STAND BY WHAT I SAID
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they made the pharaoh browner too
The only thing I'll say that's good about this is how Hades has a bident like he's supposed to. Kronos looks like complete shit, though. Even worse than the AoT design, which was already bad.>>1800282To be fair, that was also like that in the original, but you would assume the devs would fix that here.
>>1800325YIKES
>>1800338
>>1800341why purple?
>>1800345i hate the new hero auralooks like a brapp gas cloud hope its easy to mod
>>1800320Damn... I... I haven't taken a look at some of them in some time.Yeah, Nephtys looks like something out of 2003 Cartoon Network, seems fitting for the original release date I guess.
>>1800224Oranus pls>>1800341KOVSON
>>1800354
>>1800320Also what the FUCK is going on with Hera's portrait, it's easily the worst out of all of them>manface>weird E.T. shriveled up arm>holds her "staff" (?) between little and ring fingersummmm originalbros I thought those kind of mistakes do not happen without AI???
>>1800356actually not bad
>>1800289Twink death
>>1800356kind of boringlike OG Oranos I guess
>>1800325Well, at least female Gatherers don't change into men anymore.
>>1800357she has that supremely annoying bitch energy Hera is supposed to have
>>1800363>no 200 favor capI guess it would have been busted with the recastable powers
>>1800358>>1800360I wanted another monster.
>>1800363>hades - ranged units and buildings>myth boost for some reason>none of his buffs actually give building specific upgrades like in the originalWhat? It's more like Myth/Heroes + Ranged military and not buildings, ignoring how "Ranged fortifications +2 range" are not universally buildings and only include things like towers and fortresses.
>>1800367it's dumb to update gaea and not oranos further proof its was DEI crying about leaf bikini giantessess
>>1800372I'm sure the Xumblr people will be getting very vocal about this in the next hours.
>>1800312Nope.
>>1800376ruined but expected
>>1800376its all so tiresome
>>1800376Nerfed
>>1800219no need, just watch a few seconds or check the subreddit. it's in full fucking meltdown mode everyone is panicking
>>1800283It looks like they gave Apollo the ship tech that Dionysus used to have. I wonder if that's a mistake or if it's a deliberate balance choice.
>>1800356Have a pic of the new Skadi artwork?
>Norse have had the biggest shakeup on their core tech tree. There's a lot. Let me begin.>Oxcarts are no longer trained, but instead constructed by gatherers for the same cost. Otherwise, they function identically as before.>The Longhouse has been split into two structures.-The Longhouse costs 80 wood and trains only infantry units. It no longer trains Hersir. The infantry it trains are: Hirdman, which is a new unit at relatively cheap cost that is ONLY good against Cavalry, Throwing Axemen, and Berserker (ie. the Ulfsark, just renamed, and described as "good against anything it can reach", which is absolutely true, they are even scarier than before).-The Great Hall costs 160 wood and trains cavalry units and hero units. It trains Hersir, Raiding Cavalry, and in Heroic Age it also trains Jarls (which lost their anti-myth bonus, but Njord's Ring Giver tech brings it back) and Godi (a ranged hero unit that throws spears, very very similar to the Bogsiveir of Extended Edition in stats and cost, but considered Heroes and build buildings and don't have any line upgrade. They're very good, but cost 3 population.)>The Hill Fort still trains Huskarls and Siege. It no longer trains Jarls.From reddit
>>1800377>>1800378>>1800382You know the saying, go against your public...
>>1785790I didn't even register that this was Kronos, it looks fucking horrible. Holy shit I sunk thousands of hours into the original game on ESO. Why are they coming out with another clone? They already did extended edition, now they're coming out with another shittier version? All anyone wanted was more expansions for new civilizations like the Celts, Scythians, etc. This is going to be the AOM equivalent of DOW3. Lmfao what are they thinking?>>1800253>>1800224>>1791126>>1785865>>1800341New art is absolute goyslop compared to original.
>>1800346Thanos.
>>1800376It's over.
so the wonder is no longer a stall win condition?
>>1800387
>>1800391>I didn't even register that this was Kronosits Prometheus actuallykronos does look like garbage too tho
>>1800396Bring back blue.
is it true Sobek replaced Hathor?
>>1800399Yup
>>1800396It looks like the ai messed up and tried to make her hood the same as her hair.
>>1800391>Lmfao what are they thinking?That people will still eat it up and ask for more. You have to pre-order to even get into the beta so people are already paying for the game.
>>1800403You can always refund though
>>1800396Why not hire real actors at this point?
>>1800407too much toxic masculinity
>>1800388They aren't really that different, it seems like the changes are mostly shallow and only exist to make reaching their original standard take longer. The biggest change is the bogsveigr having a new name and hero status and the longhouse being split into two buildings, which I think is lame.
cheats are back on the menu
The God Power effects feel so boring. Meteor in particular.
>>1800424but they're not one use anymore
>>1800428You can convey their power without having to balance for the extra effects. That's what I'm saying. Meteor doesn't cause a flash of light. Big rock's hurtling through space but the shockwave radius is tiny.
>>1800400Well it's not terrible since there's nothing to compare him to.Do you have the bird gods?
>>1800465
>>1800338>>1800341they look like myth units
>>1800265Thick accents can be a bad thing see AC Odyssey
>>1800407look closer both men and women got nerfed men with their muscle and women with their boobs troonification is real
>>1800482
>>1800493Stop shilling your shitty stream Jose
>>1800424I saw a video of the Frost power and I didn't even know what it was at first because it was just wind blowing and nothing looked frozen.
>>1800493F L A TLAT
>>1800493eggybros...
>>1800503Closer to your heart.
>>1800503that's a man
>>1800503That's a man, baby!
Hermes bootycheek
>>1800511the nose knows
>>1800503Lmao that manface.
>>1800325Wait for the mod that makes the female berserkers topeless
sisterwife
>>1800520What the fuck is that design? What the fuck is the way he's holding itThis shit is 100% AI
>>1800515they went with purple because muh thanos marvel slop vibe
>>1800502The rainbow on Ra's GP is barely visible. Restoration is dreadful. What were they thinking?
>>1800515>angry rock man with candy colored veinsAwful.
>>1800515Basednos>Arm with gemsOf course, not even trying to hide it at this point.
>>1800530>Of course, not even trying to hide it at this point.Not trying to hide what? What does having an arm with gems mean?
>>1800515
>>1800533he looks more like that one angry 'jak
>>1800534This one?
>>1800532Infinity Gauntlet with the Infinity Stones.
Lmao that artstyle.
>>1800538yeah more like that
>>1800541>don't talk to me or my son ever again!
>>1800541I looked down at the unit portion of the UI before the other parts and thought "Le Monsieur Chug" was the titan's name for a moment
>>1800541kek why is one tinier
>>1800546If you construct a wonder you enter the "wonder age" which is a turbo mode where your titan gets stronger and bigger, your myth units get stronger and you generate a shitton of favor.
>>1800541Age of Legology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NX-oBqZI2oThe voice acting is so bad
>>1800541Ayo dem chinks ripping our game off for some mobile trash
>>1800554They sound like jeets it's over
>>1800541>le monsieur chug
>>1800554It's so weird because there are still Greek units in that mission at points that say stuff in their American accents. Really half-assed change.
>>1800554Oh man.
>>1800560>They sound like jeetsNot at all, they sound like average Greeks who were hired simply because they had Greek accents rather than being suited for the job
>>1800563Some of the mythic units have new voiceovers. I assume the old ones are just placeholders and they will change all the lines eventuallyIf the old voices aren't in the game as a toggle I am refunding.
>>1800569>If the old voices aren't in the game as a toggle I am refunding.They weren't for AoE3DE but maybe they'll do it here if people make enough stink about it. It could be that they're going to be having Arkantos and Athena etc going on future adventures in future expansions/campaigns and needed consistent VA work throughout.
>>1800554Literally why change it? It's so fucking horrible.
>>1800573They might have simply wanted it to sound more authentic. They hired people with authentic accents to redo lines for AoE2DE. The original AoE2 VAs were clearly amerilards with comical attempts at accents that many native speakers found grating.
>>1800573>arkantos awaken... spoken in a heavy greek accentThat's totally the same mood as the original.
>>1800533Gemmy gemmy gemjaks
>>1800523Looks like she has a lazy eye.
>>1800574>More authentic with worse voice actorsYea sure, get fucked shill
>>1800575They could have added just a bit of reverb or something to make it smoother.
>>1800583More authentic in the sense that Greeks don't sound like amerimutts. These new actors actually sound Greek, even if their acting is wooden.
>>1800524Dionysus's design is the only one that looks fine to me, he's the god of wine and revelry, what else should he look like?
>>1800587Who in their right mind would rather have some stupid accent over some quality voicework?
>>1800589The retards who demand the VA have the same skin color as the character over quality voice acting
>>1800587>at least this poop is Greek and not Americankek amazing priorities
>>1800589I would rather have both honestly, amerimutt accents are grating to listen to in general, regardless of acting quality. Besides, Europeans kept AoM alive through custom maps and the competitive scene while you left it to rot, so you deserve to have your voice acting removed.
>>1800593american derangement syndrome kek
>>1800587They're speaking English , you fucking dumbass. If you really wanted authenticity every character would be speaking their native tongue, but that's not what's happening. Why bother having an ESL speak English instead of just getting an English speaker?
>>1800596they want greeks to voice the dialogue, but they don't want the dialogue to be greek. pretty emblematic of american "respect" for the Other all around
>>1800596What was happening was characters like Amanra spoke with a native accent while the Greek characters were going around with cornball amerimutt accents for no good reason. It was inconsistent and annoying to listen to. Your accent sucks.
>>1800598no greek asked for this
>>1800594>Europeans kept AoM aliveLMAO absolute horseshit. I played since the beginning and up through the closing of ESO servers and virtually everyone was American or from some Anglosphere country like Canada, Australia, or NZ. They had foreign lobbies and they were all dead. You rarely ever saw a Euro on that game.
>>1800602>were going around with cornball amerimutt accents for no good reasonPoo in loo.
>>1800607>poos shit in public places>amerimutts shart in public placesnot much of an upgrade mate
>>1800602>>1800598I never mentioned America, you schizo. If you think Athena had an American accent you are deaf.
>>1800610Arkantos, Ajax, Chiron, Kastor etc had clear amerimutt accents. I would prefer if the new voice acting was better acted, but I'll take not having to listen to those awful shart accents anymore. Overall improvement.
>>1800613oii blimey, time to bugger off mate
PC game UI has been so soulless for the past decade or so
>>1800589the same retards that complained about the chernobyl hbo show not being voiced by ukrainian instead of the american actors
>>1800631time to accept that nobody outside of shartistan likes hearing your awful accents, ty'reek
>>1800376F
>>1800503The more you look at her, the more fucked her proportions become. Her head is too large, her torso is a barrel and both make her arms look scrawny, also her right hand is a claw.>>1800520>>1800524There's way worse things, his left leg is way more muscular than the other, the right leg doesn't even align with his waist, there seems to be some kind of plant vein invading his pec and his face looks shopped on top of the body.But seriously there's something fucked with the left leg, as if the AI tried to do an animal leg like a satyr or centaur.
anyone got the new portraits for freya/aphrodite/athena?
Based on all the footage I've seen, arrows can't miss just like in AoE4. Is this right? Everything does look extremely sped up, too.
>>1800376
How can they do such a good job on 2, and fuck up this hard
>>1800705>How can they do such a good job on 2Trick question, I hate the samey art they did for AoE2's cutscenes.The original art for the drawins and the backgrounds were kino. The new ones are just cartoons.
>>1800503LOL look at how the ai just continued that net as a texture ober her bralette. Slop with zero human input.
>>1800619>Original>IU had a different opaque (nothing wrong with that) background for each civilization AND each main god in use>"Remaster"Possibly same minimalist background and only a symbol of the main god that player choose.What a disappointment.
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>>1800807Her attire is very close to the original, which might point to it not being AI. It's definitely not the worst of the portraits. It can't be just me who thinks she looks a bit heftier though? And her pose seems a bit more wooden.
>>1800809Totally human-made rainbow and not by AI
I'm enjoying it so far. Only tried the campaign. Titan is retardedly easy but I think there's gonna be another difficulty mode in the full game. Art style is hit and miss. Voices are mostly a miss. I like the hotkey system from aoe4 and I don't miss the auto queue at all. Haven't tried the new auto gathering stuff but it seems like only massive noobs will bother with that. Pretty good so far.
>>1800705I wasn't around at the launch of aoe2de but wasn't it also a mess on release? Team games are still a pain in the ass
>>1800685Here's AthenaAphrodite was already posted >>1800208
>>1800880What I hate is the stupidly designed decorations and jewelry that seems to be embedded in these designs. They're very detailed but also of nothing in particular.
>>1800366There's no cap and a lot of the powers cost more than a 100
>>1800780Yeah, the UI is almost identical for every civ, just some very tiny decorative changes between culture/major gods. I was expecting this because every developer does this sort of thing now but I'm still disappointed to see it.
>>1800807She looks like a dwarf.
>>1800880>no Aegis>no spearHow did they fuck up probably the easiest one?
>>1800897What's weird is that they actually did give Hades a bident. Odin is another one they should have given a spear to, but he has a vikang axe straight out of Skyrim instead.
>>1800900
IS BETA GOOD?
>>1795825Can you give an example?
>>1800903From all impressions, it's like a different game compared to the original title. Probably why they went with "Retold" for this one rather than "Definitive Edition". A lot of gameplay stuff was overhauled. Whether or not you'll like the changes depends on what you liked about the original and how much of a purist you are.
>>1800901Why do they all have these weird dresses that don't cover their shoulders instead of something remotely resembling the clothes they're actually depicted in?
>>1800548that's so retarded
>>1800910art director is a shoulderfag
>>1800913They've been working with esports players for game mechanics iirc, apparently they felt it was necessary to solve lategame stalemates and help pacing
>>1800903It's decent. Some things are worse, a few things are improved. It's not a trashfire like some were expecting. At its core it's still the same game.
>>1800809>>1800818Why is the rainbow mostly yellow and blue? It looks like it's in fucking colourblind mode.
>>1800809why he ain black?
>>1800915That would explain all the micro implementation.
>>1800900>Appolo>buffew
>>1800961still has a twink face at least
>>1800523For a Goddess of Marriage, Family and Pregnancy, she sure looks awfully thin. Should have given her more of that Milf energy.
>>1800963tbhq she does look like an average greek milf
How to play BETA? Is it opened for everyone?
>>1800968buy the premium editionIf it is any comfort I understand that it is easy to refund. That's what I'm planning to do after the weekend.
>>1800969Nah, I am looking forward to play single player anyway. I don't play multi, and AoM had the best single back then compare to other RTS.
>>1800971>Nah, I am looking forward to play single player anywayThey changed the characters voices with some awful amateur ones though..
>>1800697You can dodge arrows now.>>1800705The beta has been crashing all the time, MP is almost unplayable
>>1800825Fall of the trident was always an easy campaign even on titan, hope they do buff the difficulty
The balance of the original game was not perfect so I don't mind that
>>1800971Why would you buy this to play the single player? Just play the original, the remaster is largely for multiplayer anyway. Also the remaster has worse voice acting on an almost comical level.
>>1800975You actually can't, arrows lock on. You could dodge in the original but not here, it's following the AoE4 mindset for projectiles here they can't miss.
>>1800807
>>1800895looks like a furfag in a low effort fursuit
>>1800947Probably that's why muh inclusivity
>>1800988No they can miss, it only looks weird because of how fast everything fires.
This remake or whatever should've been at least 2 more years in development.
>>1801048You say this from beta experience?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEXlo2hqtjk
>>1801091Feels like a punch in the gut seeing yet another one of my childhood favorites getting ruined like that. When will it end?
>>1801094Never. It will never end. You will see everything you ever loved destroyed, everything you love now subverted, and everything you might love in the future corrupted. The revolution demands it, comrade.
>>1800971>laughs in pirate
>>1800400gives off janny vibes
>>1785790
>>1800880Why is Athena with a sword and not a spear?>>1800895Why did they make Anubis look like he is stealing your lunch money? Shouldn't he have scales since his job was weighing your soul?
>>1800253The Prometheus one is good. Rest are slop.
>>1800356>Most gods get mediocre or worse art>Atlantean gods Cronos & Gaia become literal cartoons. Gaia is just Groot, and Cronos is a mix between a memejack and Thanos from marvel goyslop>Meanwhile, based Oranos stays the same, and his new art is one of the good or at least decent onesOranos bros, we are safe!
>>1801120Of course you'd like art of Uranus, faggot.
>>1801120>and his new art is one of the good or at least decent oneswew
>>1800356Only of the few good ones
>>1801118Prometetheus hand looks weird to me
>>1785822
>>1800208If they could have Aphrodite show skin they why couldn't they make the other goddesses like that? They have no ESRB rating excuse now.
>>1800953I shit a lot on their ai slop art, and they did blackify the egyptians, but you have to acknowledge that they didn't black the greeks and norse. They could have easily done a black Heimdall and all the journos would have praised them for it.
>>1800816>It can't be just me who thinks she looks a bit heftier though?Vikings prefer a woman with a little meat on her bones.
>>1792655>go "why is ptah green" when looking at nu!ptah>look up ptah>he's fucking greenthe jokes write themselves, and buddy? i'm jokes.
>>1800809>rainbow is fucked up, only has yellows and blues>visible artifacts all over the place>that fruity pose>mess of belts>misaligned pommel on his sword
>>1801209Mediocre artists have never had it easier, now all of their fuckups are blamed on AI
>>1801091The new one looks like an ad for a fake mobile game with that character portrait shit.
>>1800809lmao
>>1800901what's wrong with her fingers
>>1801247Nigg just see the other corner
>>1788955>What would differentiate them from Norse mechanically and aesthetically?Chariots, early steel, headhunting, etc
>>1801252You're not listing anything substantial and only listed thing that are superficial. How would they functionally differ from the Norse on a macro-economic scale? How do they actually function at their core?>headhuntingSo fighting to gain favor? If that's what you're referencing then he's right and there would be too much overlap.
>>1801254Actually, I would probably base the Celts' favor generation off of nature in some way. Build a shrine surrounded by as many resources (maybe just trees/bushes) as possible, it starts passively generating favor based on how many resources you leave on the vine.
>>1801251what
>>1801125It should. It has only four fingers.
>>1801256Sounds like something that would be regulated to the Chinese if anything, Feng Shui and all that.
>>1801258I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be the index finger, but it does looked very weird and I could easily see it being mistaken as a thumb. Oranos has a fucked up hand, too.
List as many ideas for new favor-generation mechanics as you can. NOW.
>>1801271pillage and rape become a game mechanic and they increase favor exponentially
>>1801275>you play as a sub saharan civ
>>1801256Maybe it could be based on how many resources there are total in the world, so you have fast favour generation at the start but slowly lose it over timeThen you hit Mythic Age and one of the minor gods gives you Nature's Revenge and the opposite case kicks in, the less natural resources there are the more favour you get
>>1801271Gain favor for having thousands of resources unspent
>>1801271Gain favor by tradingYou know who's mythology
>>1801306Then you revolt to the good or bad guy.
>>1801306kek
How does Hephaestus look?
>>1801375Like some guy
>>1801401What's he smithing?
>>1785785If they focused so much on the portraits....why not just make multiple versions (more than one besides the original) of each good, and let players choose which one to use? Hell, it would give an excuse to sell an small DLC/MTX for extra portraits, and also no backlash because besides the original ones, players would have at least more than one option of portraits.But oh I forgot that im talking about retarded devs and pajeets coders. Thay wouldnt do a decent thing even if their lives depended of it!
>>1801401>is canonically ugly with a limp>they give you this artEven the original art at least made him old.
>>1800987>play the originalThe one that you have to pirate because it's not legally available?
>>1801510And what would be the problem with this? Hell you could just paly EE.
>>1800400>Right handClearly IA
You wouldn't expect numbers to fall off like this over the weekend. Is it really that mediocre to play?
>>1801605it's hot garbage
>>1801605Team games are impossible to play with the crashes
proof that they are AIthey oversaw that Osiris has 6 fingers
>>1801615We already had proof with Bastet, bro.
>>1801616Bastet just looks AI, no proof. Bro.
>>1801617>no proofThe sistrum she's holding is completely messed up in the image in ways an ai would do it. People pointed this out months ago.
>>1801619If that was "proof" to you, good for you.
>>1801621If you couldn't tell that the bast image was AI then you might just be retarded, anon. It's extremely obvious in multiple ways.
tf kind of horse is that?
>>1801655One drawn by someone, or something, that has no idea how a horse gallops.
So outside it looking shit who cares if it was made by an AI?
>>1801195>why are you greenReminds me of Commander Shepard
>>1801615>put Osiris back together>find out you collected six fingers for one hand>just roll with it
out of everything to complain about, you faggots are complaining about AI art?
>>1801655the lego one
>>1801510Arkantos won't hunt you down for it
>>1801691game canon suggests otherwise
>>1801695Real life is post Titans campaign so Arkantos has better things to do than fight old battles againThough they never state what kind of god he is so maybe he is actually the god of anti-piracy measures
>>1800900lmao his right hand
>>1801664>>1801678because it make the game, along other things, feel very soulless
>>1801678>why are you complaining about the visuals, the thing you obviously see before anything else?Dumb question.
>>1801671>find out you collected six fingers for one hand>start woundering where his dick is, are fished ate itIsis-sisters....
>aoe2 style ranged units with a ballistics upgrade that makes arrows never misslmao
It's over....
>>1800523One of the best
Will this ever get good or it will receive the imperator treatment like aoe1?
>>1800523>chest not nerfed>actualy recived upgradeHera once again proving to be best goddes
>>1801110needs image distortion
anyone here actually played the beta? if so, what is your impression?
>>1801664because they lied and said they didn't use ai>>1801678out of everything to complain about, you're complaining that we don't like the new art?
>>1801664>>1801678https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1zXTOUGWl0
>>1800515I can't wait to replace all this marvelslop tier art with fanmade portraits.
>>1801767GLOWY EYES
>>1800807>runny eyelinerhas she been crying? what the fuck were they thinking
>>1800323>her characteristic headdress.Nostalgiafags, we lost...
>>1800560>americans find out what real greeks sound like>they're exasperated that they don't sound like exaggerated cartoon characters (with an american accent of course)
>>1801956>"they're greek, it's only natural they speak with greek accents!">characters are still speaking englishbased retard
>>1801959So you want them to be Greek, sound Greek, but also be American and sound American?
>>1801960Where the fuck did I say any of that?I pick English voice acting because I want to be able to understand the characters in English, and for that, I demand a clean pronunciation of English. I don't even care if it's England English or American English, I just want them to not struggle getting a basic fucking sentence out while also expressing the appropriate emotions.If the rest of the world wants "representation" then the rest of the world should feel free to dub the game in their own fucking language instead of having this dishonest as fuck globohomo shit where "everyone is represented and valid :))))" but they only speak (broken) English.
>>1801655>>1801660>>1800679the dawn of AI truly has made everyone into art critics hasn't it?>UHMM this tendon isn't ANATOMICALLY CORRECT!!! AI?!?!shut the fuuuuuuuuuuuck up nerd
>>1801966Shitty artists don't exist anon. Just look at this drawing of a cat from the medieval ages. How did a human possibly think this is what a cat looked like? Did you know they had AI in the medieval ages? I sure didn't!
>>1801954ai sloppa>>1801968soul. absolute soul.
>>1800253Theia looks like an anime character wtf
>>1801972Well I Theia cumdumpster
>>1801972if all the female god portraits looked like this flavor of aisloppa nobody would be complaining, i guarantee you that
>>1801978Turns out people complain when stuff sucks balls
>>1801972What I liked about OG Theia portrait was the symmetry, I don't like her headdress being so lopsided
>>1801972>>1802002It's not just lopsided, it looks like it was poorly cropped off another piece and pasted on top of this one. Just look at how off-center the little star (under the black gems) is compared to her nose.
>>1801952NO CATGIRL SIDE BOOB NOOOOO
>>1788293gaelic/bretonic would be cool too imo
>>1800229>Weirder than SMTThat's saying something. I mean I agree, but SMT is known to have rather odd (but arguably on-model) depictions of gods.>>1800337God the models look like something out of a porn game.
>>1801968That's not medieval retard, dude's a modern Colombian artist that died last year
>>1802038I just picked a random result for "medieval cat art", there's many others to illustrate my point.
>>1801972would
>>1802056>AI so bad it's putting human faces on catsAItards this is your mindset
The character design of most portraits (with the obvious exception of Kronos and Gaia, and maybe Hephaestus) is fine in my opinion, and I'm not too bothered by the artstyle of most of the portraits (again with obvious exceptions like Atlas) either. I don't even really care that AI was used at some stage or in some form. All I really care about is the end result. I wish they just swallowed their pride and fixed the issues the portraits have digitally, like correcting fingers, redrawing details and improving shading. It shouldn't be too hard if they truly have at least some real artists involved. Even with some small tweaks I'd be fine with most of them.
>>1801785No one here actually plays strategy games
>>1802107only premium preorders got access. nobody here - i hope - is retarded enough to hand over money considering the absolute fucking state of the game, least of all for the premium edition
>>1801948Now this? This is kino
>>1802110I challenge you to name one wrong thing with the gameimpossible mode: no crying about the portraits
>>1802117I know if I'll list just one you'll move goalposts because that's how these conversations always go in this cesspit of a website, so have several:>the voice acting>the soundtrack>the cutscene animations>the mobileshit tier ingame models>the casualisation garbage disguised as QoL like automated economy>the pathfinding>the inevitable balance issues caused from allowing god powers to be recasted
>>1800273I mean in his in-game portrait in the OG game had his spear cut out but yeah. when will character designers realize staring straight at the camera is the most boring way to present a character
>>1802122>staring straight at the camera is the most boring way to present a characterSo does that mean you think the new Isis portrait is better?
>>1802120Only two of these things actually impact competitive play>the pathfindingNeeds to be addressed of course>the inevitable balance issues caused from allowing god powers to be recasted Too early to say how the meta will shape up, it should be noted that AoM was always notoriously imbalanced which is one reason why it’s always lived in AoE2’s shadow, this is part of attempting to (re)shape competitive play and balance the game for the first time ever, and they’ve been working with longtime competitive players to try and achieve this.
>>1802130>muh competitive playstopped reading right there, i see you're one of those bugmen who thinks playing AoE2 with no graphics because "maximum efficiency" so arguing with you will be a waste of time, go dilate with a cactus
>>1802123Nah, a lot of the body language in the new art is very drab and boring. Old Isis is about to chuck a shield at you while Nu Isis looks like she's about to give you a tour for the house she wants to sell. Another thing you see in a lot of the modern game art is that the background doesn't complement the character as well, which distracts from what is supposed to be just a small icon/headshot. Compare Hotep Album cover to Furry MOBA hero as well
>>1802132Competitive play is the only thing that matters in an RTS game. Playing games against AI that can't even understand the systems is ridiculously boring. You have to be ridiculously bad at video games to find it interesting.
>>1801966LolKeep coping you blind retard shill
>>1802120calling the models bad outs you as a disingenuous rose glasser.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUcWAUfRIKUsay what you want about the voice acting and other nitpicks, but the models are a straight upgrade. being able to see what upgrades your opponent has immediately alone makes them better, that's even disregarding the fact that it's a fucking RTS and you'll be staring at these models zoomed out.
>>1802138Why can't this just be the work of a bad artist?
>>1802138youre retarded lol
>>1802139>models are a straight upgradeBe quiet, blind faggot.
>>1801952https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcOxhH8N3Bo
>>1802139>mobile tier modelsabsolute trash
>>1802140Because an artist shitty enough to make that kind of beginner mistake (i.e. not do a body sketch) wouldn't then be able to draw or paint the rest of the piece with that level of technique.
>>1802149
>>1802165
>>1802164This, great point
>>1802140bad human artists often have make the mistake of drawing 6 fingers or broken anatomy then going through the effort of coloring and rendering without noticing they've drawn 6 fingersthe shit you people post, honestly.
>>1802181Fire Emblem fans can attest that this actually does happen, this was before the AI art boom. This same artist also had art of a main character with two left feet that was sketched, finished, coloured, rendered and released as a final product.
>>1802187getting right/left limbs mixed up because you're looking at a mirrored rotation is not the same thing as fucking up the amount of fingers
>>1801948hooly shit that's goodMAN if this worthless slop gets completely fixed with mods no joke I'll get hyped>>1802188I seriously hope modders fix all of this mess into something kino
>>1802139they look cartoony af like they were made for a mobile game and some of the textures are even less detailed than the original despite being higher res and with more poly
>>1802190>hooly shit that's goodNo it's not, Kronos always looked like shit. Being worse now doesn't mean he looked good in TT.
>>1802193>some of the textures are even less detailed than the originalNow this is pure fucking bait and if you actually believe this you don't even know what textures looked like in the original. The remake looking like shit aside, you don't have to lie to try and make it look worse than it already does. It looks bad enough as is.
>>1802188they get bigger with upgradesis there anything you whiny babies won't cry about?
>>1802189Granted, but it still happens as that pic demonstrates. It wouldn't surprise me if this art was all AI but I do think >>1801227is true in that studios are more inclined than ever to just hire cheap artists to save shekels, and a lot of sloppy work by artists is being deflected onto it being the work of AI.
>>1801956I just like the innotation from the original, desu. It's more theatrical, which is NOT bad. So yes, if you're gonna hire greeks voice actors at least make sure they get the mood of the scene and the emotions of the characters right.
>>1802205I'll be interested to see the VA credits for Retold, to see what their other work is like. Bad voice direction could be the culprit here, I've heard talented actors give really flat/bad performances because of that.
>>1802201A good game.
>>1802207It's 100% bad voice direction. They probably had no access to a VA director and their first take was considered good enough.
>>1802139No China yet, huh.
>>1802197nah it's true here's an example from shitforged the cartoony look makes it less detailed it also looks dull and pale due to less contrast modern devs are garbage at almost everything they do
>>1802264Not really fair to blame the devs when they're subjected to working under Activision and Microsoft's notoriously shitty oversight and then left to be the punching bags
>>1802265>Microsoft's notoriously shitty oversightI agree on that the cattle should've been whipped into shape however if my boss lacked oversight to tell me how bad I am at my job then that isn't just on him faggot
Gamedevs are becoming less and less competent yet they insist on forming unions, demand higher wages, demand more time off. They can't even do their jobs and they want all these perks. Westerners are way too spoiled and incompetent and video games are shit now because of it. Of course the faggot commies rush in to blame the rich successful people for the failures of lazy workers. It's a race to the fucking bottom thanks to leftists making excuses for failure.
>>1801713>>1801723>>1801816>>1801821I probably played AoM before most of you said your first words. And while I do agree that the new art is worse compared to the old, I appreciate it for what it is; a new take on the art direction. The old art will be available if you purchase the premium edition, which I did.
>>1801956Yeah why would a cartoony game sound cartoony. Welcome to the entertainment industry retard. Entertainment is supposed to be exaggerated, that's why it's entertaining. Is there anything left of Ancient Greece in modern Greeks? They lack common sense and seem completely passionless about everything except whining.
>>1801954Why is her armpit overlapping into her bicep/tricep area? Another ai slip up? Do they even review these images at all?
>>1802322you have to be trolling at this point
>>1802335Do you not know what an armpit looks like? You should have two, go check them out.
>>1802130Never actually watched the aom mp scene, how was the balance? All I know on the subject is that day one chinese were OPAF and eventually nerfed to irrelevance, but nothing on before or after.
>>1802317Oh yes, the classic appealing to mediocrity, if you aren't getting paid for posting this garbage, I strongly recommend you to reconsider your life choices and maybe even consider suicide.
>>1802346Calm down, spergy. It's not that serious.
>>1802346Imagine getting mad because they used AI to make new art.
>>1802348>>1802349consider suicide shill
>>1802345The balance of retold has changed a lot, no hunting dogs, some god tweaks, all ships in feudal age
>>1802350>still sperging over video games
>>1802353I imagine so, that's why I would like to know how it was in base game to compare in the future.
>>1802317>I appreciate it for what it isLMFAO
>>1802362keep seething while i enjoy the game
>>1802362This post made me curious about what plebbitors are actually saying about Retold. Current discussion there is dominated by threads bitching about the artwork and accusing them of using AI. That would make you the clown with the plebbit faggot membership card. As a 4chan native, I'm going to support Retold to spite tranny plebbitors like yourself.
>>1802317i'd bet a tenner this poster does not play age of empires
>>1802371yes you are right, it's been a few years since. i'm an old man now and i just want to casually enjoy good games without tryharding.
>>1802317stfu faggot
>>1802406suck my cock while crying over AI
>>1802408poo in loo
here is a quick&dirty reconstruction of Set's portrait
>>1802441(((Set)))
>>1802366>I'm going to support tranny plebbitorsDo what you gotta do fag.
Goy of Goythology: Regoy defense shill force in full swing, I see.
>>1800204This hydra looks like it's working in bank
>>1802322Pectoralis major
>>1800900He is not even knocking the arrow properly
>>1802489>best looking RTS since Starcraft 2
>>1802489>now that the dust has settled
>>1785785kek the pajeets they hired to touch up their AI generated art don't even know how to count!
>>1802489There are far more posts whinging about the artwork and VA work and you know that, since you had to scroll past them all when trying to find posts for your collage. Very deceptive of you to crop out the part where the plebbitor who used AI upscale the old portraits was doing so to mock the portraits from Retold
>>1802637Say the one who didn´t count the last vein, way down the hand...
>>1785865>anthropomorphic cat>furry head>human skin on body
>>1802699Isn't that the norm for many Egyptian gods?
>>1802645>There are far more posts whinging about the artwork>lists same number of posts showing that it's actually around 50/50 Meanwhile we have most people in this thread hating the new art with a few shills like >>1802540 who don't even appear to know what an armpit looks like topkek. Look in the mirror bro.
>>1802815>>lists same number of posts showing that it's actually around 50/50Quite a few posts from >>1802489 don't even mention the art, almost all of the posts >>1802645 are directly discussing the art with the exception of one shitting on the new voice acting
>>1802815Feel free to correct me with examples I overlooked, but I only count two posts which are actually positive regarding Retold's art in that first image- one praising the Folstag model and the other which claims the new portraits look "sick". One post attempts to deboonk the AI narrative without giving their opinion on the art, the other argues that the art isn't necessarily completely the result of AI but admits that the art could be AI assisted. One of them is actually a criticism that the person misleadingly cropped- it's mocking the Retold artwork by saying that AI upscales of the original art look better than the new ones. One of the posts has a title which makes it seem like he enjoys the new art as it says "Best looking RTS since Starcraft 2", but reading the post the guy admits he's going to be using the original artwork and criticises other aspects of the art like the UI and animations, so he could well be talking about the gameplay. The rest of the posts don't even mention the art one way or the other.
>muh conflating reddit opinion hit piecetake your false flag and go back shill not even worth the reply
So besides Freyr, any new gods to be added at launch?
>>1803220At launch no, chinese are supposed to be "all new" and still come out this year so it will be relatively soon after release. Also a new civ after that
LOL. LMAO.
RAWR XD
>>1803411Groundskeeper Willie but he a crocmanDumb norse raiders in his marsh and bothering his 'gators
>the most talked about topic when it comes to retold is the portrait artI guess everything else is fairly decent then. I wonder if we're going to get a statement in the coming weeks from the developers either reaffirming their position that AI wasn't used or a promise to improve the art before release.
>>1803759Pathing is ass too, but so was the original
>>1803759Balance is very much up in the air ATM, no point in commenting about that.
Did they showcase the editor?If they improved it I might do a custom civ as a mod.
>>1803411He's replacing Hathor?
>>1803860Yes, which does make a little sense I guess. Obviously the Petsuchos is very much associated with Sobek, but the Roc thematically fits better with Hathor. If the speculations about Freyr being a new Norse major god ends up being true I could see them turning Hathor into a new Egyptian major god down the line, since she's easily the most prominent female deity after Isis and some of the other good choices for major gods overlap with Ra (such as Atum and Amun).
>>1803894New majors? I suspected they'd add them to pad the civ count.
>>1803860Yeah, fits into the exact same spot otherwise. They might reintroduce her eventually since it seems they have plans for new gods for existing civs too.>>1803827A lot of techs and gods were changed so how that affects the meta is yet to be seen. Though I was only ever a casual fan so I don't have a good idea what meta was in the first place anyway and EE was shit and had too small playerbase to push it forward.One thing is that I think the god powers might be a bit overturned now. I remember in the original they could be pretty underwhelming but now they can be I win buttons. Maybe that just takes some getting used to.
is the beta client pirateable?
>>1803899I'm struggling to think who the 4th major for the Greeks could be. Zeus/Poseidon/Hades always made sense.Hathor as a 4th major for the Egyptians is fine by me. So is Freyr for the Norse, he was always glaringly missing for them.Then the Atlanteans question comes by and I don't know who I'd name as the 4th major there.
>>1802197It is true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrThhBORw3cLook at the textures somehow retold looks all muddy and pale.
>>1803973>I'm struggling to think who the 4th major for the Greeks could be. Zeus/Poseidon/Hades always made sense.Demeter probably, she's like the last Olympian missing and would give greeks a womyn major god so they are probably going to do that. Unless they upgrade someone existing to major and replace them as minor, most of the myth units and upgrades associated with minor gods are pretty arbitrary and it wouldn't be that hard to refluff it even without changing any mechanics.
>>1803984>Demeter probably, she's like the last Olympian missingPoor Hestia
>>1803984>Demeter probably, she's like the last Olympian missingThe 12 main Olympians are not the only ones. There's maybe 1-2 dozen more Olympian deities in Greek mythology other than them.
>>1803973Assuming that these new god additions are major ones and not minor ones, it would logically be Apollo, but that wouldn't work because he's already a minor god in the game and that isn't going to change at this point. If not them there's Athena and Artemis who, again, already exist. Repeating this for the rest until Demeter and Hestia
>>1803984I would like Hestia as some kind of leader of the minor gods, would be a good foothold to eventually add them in the game instead of an olympian surprise party for Demeter, who was not invited.Or just make Hera the 4th major, add Demeter as a Tier 4 and make Hera the leader of the minor gods, which makes slighty more sense.
>>1802345>>1802130Watching both AoM the Titans and AoE2 DE competitive play, I can say the former is both more varied and better balanced overall. It's not as popular and so not as autistic, but it's been a joy to watch for the past several years with the numerous strategies that are viable (and very little cheese).Meanwhile AoE2 inevitably looks stale even when you compare individual things, like how much map control matters, or how rote the macro is.
>>1803894>If the speculations about Freyr being a new Norse major god ends up being trueThat's literally confirmed you major nigger
>>1803988>>1804025In my defence I was going off the 12 and there seems to be disagreement if Hestia or Dionysus is the 12th. On second thought considering she's actually first generation and not one of Zeus' bastards she probably deserves that title more, but I still think Demeter would be a better choice for a major god assuming we are not promoting anyone.
>>1804081As far as I'm aware, there is no confirmation of Freyr being added as a major god specifically. Everything is just speculation.
>>1804083I feel there is an argument for both Demeter and Hestia, Demeter is more known so she seems like the obvious choice, but feels like she may be too similar to Gaia (oh god, now I am wondering if they would use Gaia's old portrait for Demeter)Hestia is more obscure but also feels like she could be a defensive-oriented choice for the Greeks and Hades lost its building HP bonus
>>1803224Any source on them comimg out in 2024?
What's the /vstrdict on the beta?
>>1801700>Though they never state what kind of god he isfool! If you put Arkantos (god) in a scenario using the map editor you can read his information panel which calls him a minor god of titan-stopping
>>1804147On microsoft store the expansion 1 and 2 are listed at 2024 and 2025 and elsewhere expansion 1 is confirmed to be chinese.
>>1804191Thanks.
they will have to put the AI disclaimer in the steam store page like other games right?
>>1792127I thought about this as well but I think there will be a lot of woke backlash and they will not have the guts to put it into the game where your priest carves the heart out of idle peasants.
>>1792247What about something like sacrificing available pop space (in lieu of setting a rally point from TC to Temple) in exchange for favor generation? You keep some semblance of sacrifice without the micro or the feel bad aspect. That plus some token extra on fights would be pretty on theme.
>>1804440Or a multiplier for human unit popcost. You can search a balance or rise the multiplier so much you just go full MU.How would the Aztec hero units work anyway?
>>1788313>>1792127>>1804457There is a mod for AoM that add the aztecs. Maybe the devs of Retold will take notes from it. I still have to play it so I cant say anything about the faction.https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-return-of-the-godshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2759618117
>>1804459Perhaps because of this mod I don't want Aztecs to be the second DLC culture. I'd rather see them introducing something totaly original. Aztecs could then still come afterwards whether it's an overhaul of the mod or a totally new iteration. I know it's not the same situation, but the same thing happened essentially with The Forgotten in AoE2, so there's a bit of a precedent.
>>1803973>I'm struggling to think who the 4th major for the Greeks could beBecause she's already a minor god. Hera is the obvious greek choice. She's the one deity that is constantly challenging Zeus authority in ways his brothers never dared, she's a major active player in myths and the trojan cycle and she can doom nations on a whim. After her it's Athena (patron of Athens + involved in Troy + regular conflicts with Poseidon) and Apollo (Delphi + patron of Sparta + decimated the achaeans without opposition). Everyone else not already in the game like Demeter, Hestia, Persephone, the muses, the fates, etc. is clrealy not on the same league and it would be silly to have one of them as major with these three as minor.It's the same with Horus, Osiris, Ptah and the egyptians and Baldr, Njord, Freyja and the norse, although unlike the greeks Freyr and Hathor do work as major gods and there's always Atum, Amun, Frigg, Sutr and Aegir if they need more.For atlanteans, most of the titans are super irrelevant. Oceanus would have been the obvious choice since he is the ruler of his own massive domain and actually kinda important, but he is already a minor god (maybe Thetis can replace him as irrelevant as she is). There's also Iapetus a literally who but he is Cronus second in command and father of Atlas and Prometheus, and Nyx who is technically a primordial but so are Gaia and Uranus
>>1804784>Nyx who is technically a primordial but so are Gaia and UranusNyx is a good choice, Eris and Thanatos would make decent minor accompanying minor gods.
>>1804784Sutr isn't even a god, he is just a fire nigga with a fire sword
>>1804784NTA, but I see your points. Maybe that is why I hope for the devs to change some minor gods positions even if some autists get mad. If this is a remake, is the perfect opportunity to change things.
Maybe reintroduce Hathor.
>>1805031>t. MIlk Enjoyer.
>>1804853He is a jotun like Skadi, Aegir and Loki's father, just another faction of divine beings. But never mind, he is too much of a force of nature and in direct opposition to the other gods, humanity and the world so yeah scratch him. He would be cool as a new god power though, a fire nigga with a fire sword that can burn everything.>>1804870Yeah if they are actually doing it with Hathor and Sobek, might as well. Minor deities like Hebe, Nike, Asclepius and Thetys could easily take those gods spots with no other change needed than a portrait since their attributes are pretty similar.
I just want the game to be good
Not this timeline
>>1803973>4th major for the Greeks could beYeah, I'd see something like Hestia/Pan replacing Hera and Hera being bumped up to that position. >>1803973Maybe Geb/Nut?
>>1803974Everything looks more or less better than original
>>1805996Lol no
>>1806234Are you suggesting that new (left) looks better than old (right)?Hell no, Anon. If you're gonna complain about how something looks complain about what they did to Prometheus or some of the portraits, not this.
>>1806239*worseThe new buildings look way better than the old ones.
>>1806239Outside of poly count they're literally worse in every way.
>>1806243How so? Just because the colors have lower contrast? Their readability is exactly the same, you can tell each building just by looking at it.You're complaining about something just because it's different, not because it's worse There's actually bad changes that have been made which deserve more atention than this.
>>1806247>reddit spacing shill already trying to detract this hardIt's not just the lack of contrast but the textures and models as well. 5 posts ago it was made clear now you pretend otherwise piss off microjeet.
>>1806239>>1806242No, he's right. The old ones look better. More triangles =/= better look.
>>1806234The model looks better but the lighting is worse. Typical of modern gaymes.
>>1806429>the lighting is worse.It's literally just a different lighting, which AoM is known for having multiple different ones.
