Lets ignore the civ switching thing they stole from Humankind.What actually is there in Civ7?There seemed to be no workers, cities still spread out but for each building?combat is continuous?Didn't seem like a lot of inputs.
>tfw no jap gf
>>1828834I don't think combat is continuous. They talked about that in the animation section, I think it is just if 2 units from civs at war are next to eachother combat animations play.
>>1828834The gameplay trailer really didn't show anything, we don't know the culture mechanics, or the tech tree, how the various ages end, diplomacy, or how cities function on a more mathematical level.There seems to be events specific to civilizations, and random events in general, not sure how I feel about that.
>>1829002The eras end through a point system, when you accomplish certain objectives (e.g. building multiple wonders) the map gets +5 progress towards the next era, with the era changing at 200 points.
>>1828834You can move your army across the map as one unit. QoL for multiplayer. Trying to move tons of units in civ 5 and 6 under the turn timer is pure pain.
>>1828834the commander leading your unit as a gang of niggers sounds good desu
>>1828834The cities being spread out is a cool change, even if it probably means no workers. Being able to actually build a sprawling city that doesn't look like a single packed-up tile surrounded by farms and mines is the one thing from Civ6 I wish Civ5 had.Going back to Civ5-like artsyle is also a good change.As for the civ switching, hopefully we'll get settings or at least mods to make it less jarring, so instead of switching to completely unrelated civs you can evolve the same one and go from the HRE to Germany or something for instance.
>>1828834>less ages>no workers>forced to chose your victory path early>punished for playing well forcing you into crises>forced to switch civs>awful graphics>awful UI>awful avatars>ruler rpg stats>ruler not bound to a civilization
>>1832415>forced to chose your victory path earlyWasn't that always the case?
>>1830238this is actually good
>>1832415>awful graphicsI don't know why some people keep saying that, the maps look fine to me.The UI on the other hand is complete dogshit, by far the most generic and soulless I've seen on the series.
>>1828834>they stole from HumankindDoubt.,
>>1833340yeah I don't care what engine that is, it looks bad. It's the saturation and the colors. Looks the same as all modern graphics and it doesn't look good. Being reminded of humankind also doesn't help and the graphics there I also don't like.
>>1833340i already can predict my CPU and GPU melting to render than decade old mobile graphic
>>1833345Cope
>>1833340realistic buildings cartoony terrain.
>>1834848The shading and lighting is realistic but I don't think the buildings themselves are, at least not enough to clash with the terrain.
>>1829002> or the tech treeWe know that there's a "mastery" system where techs can be researched multiple times.
>>1835177>>1833340It has a scale model aesthetic like what you'd see in a train set, I think it's great. Not a fan of how the leaders look though.
>>1835190okay that sounds a bit interesting
>>1828834The dev is made up of zoomer woke hires that have no idea what they are doing and are just ripping off other ideas
>>1832604culture yes diplo or science no
>>1833373now this is PURE contrarianism and poorfagcope possibly
I really liked expansionism and claiming new territories with cities in Civ5, and I really hate Wonder turtling. Is Civ4 any better in this regard or one of the mods? I just like doing a lilttle colonialism on every new island I see.
>>1835468>science noScience no? Absolutely yes, you need to plan your science and production infrastructure properly as early as possible. Diplomatic victory comes slightly later, yes, but purely due to the fact that the World Congress first gathers in the Medieval era. But some preparations such as accumulating diplofavors and vassalizing city-states should be made well in advance as well.
>>1833381>>1833340Yeah I don't hate how it looks, but I hate that it looks like it's gonna be poorly optimized.Considering the other concessions they've already made to the game that is already implied.
>>1835190What does that unlock? Sounds cool
>>1835546>>1835550Hmmmm....odd.
>>1828834I hope civ 7 let's you be the Israelites and start as King David or something and then you can be the only civ to advance to Israel in the modern age to make everyone seethe.
Ancient Era: Kingdom of IsraelExplo Era: Kingdom of JerusalemModern Era: Mandate of Palestine
>>1835714>franks were Israelitesthis would make everyone seethe as well
>>1828834>civilization 6>no good mods>no single player scenarios>stupid mechanics like single use workers>stupid tech tree>no ww2/middle age/pike and shot scenarios>no launcherAnd this is going to be worst, install civilization 4 and add Realism Invictus
>>1835876>>stupid tech treeI hate boost and the religion mechanics in civilization 6
Wake me up when tey addbased leaders like Hitler
>>1840629>hitler>unique improvement concentration camp adds +10% production per population following Judaism>each population following Judaism adds -10% culture penalty>can pillage wonders for culture>meme economy: economic collapse when not at war for more than 10 turns
>>1832415>awful graphics>awful avatarsMassive improvement from civ6 .
NAVIGABLEAVIGABLERIVERS
You know how you're supposed to stop making sequels at like Game 5?Seven is the consequence.
>>1832415>less agesThe only thing that's changed is how they're labeled, why does that matter?>no workers>forced to switch civs>ruler rpg stats>ruler not bound to a civilizationWhy is any of this bad?>punished for playing well forcing you into crisesThe crises happen for everyone when the eras switch, it's nothing to do with playing too well.
>>1828834Call to power did no workers and it was shit. You just got worker mana and used it to plop things. Workers add gameplay and link the cities to the map in a tangible way that just making improvements plop from nowhere doesn’t do, you could easily change the city UI for an excel spreadsheet and not feel the difference.
>>1845318its not even out you spastic and its only half as bad as you cunts claim it
>>1835724you didn't know?franks come from jews resettled after their fallen rebellion
>>1828834They will very obviously add an age with each DLC.
>>1828834>Civ7skins
>>1832408It's supposed to feel like you're leading a nation not a county
>>1828834>cities still spread out but for each building?You get all of the yields automatically in tiles owned by the city, and you can plop down a hex on a tile to expand the borders and claim all the surrounding hexes like a culture bomb. There's a couple smaller differences, like for instance you won't get a yield from a tile with cotton until you have the plantation tech, but that's basically it. You can if you want make a big line city along a river, or make a more compact dense city.I don't like the change. Workers and the old tile yield system are kind of core to Civ's identity and this makes it more similar to other games in the genre. They keep talking about how they're trying new things while copying ideas from decade old games. They also talked about cliffs and elevation changes on terrain, they act kind of like the coastal cliffs in VI where you get walled off and have go around them... which is not new to the genre.And no "copying ideas from decade old games" was not hyperbole, both of these new features I described you can find in Endless Legend, which will literally turn a decade old in roughly 46 hours from the time of this post.
>>1828834>they stole from HumankindThey didn't.
>>1840640>meme economy: if you switch to this every other civ on the planet declares war on youftfy
I'm not going to miss workers at all. I hope the next thing they come for is single production queues per city.
>>1833340cluttered
>>1833340Looks like a Settlers game
>>1835190>the wheel>mastery level 2
>>1833340People cried their eyes out about VI graphics despite it being better than V, it's just how they are.
>>1855114VI's graphics are definitely not better than V's.
>>1855114Resolution =/= style.
>>1835459is there a way to make civilization of all games woke
>>1855070spherical wheels unlocked
>>1833340I think 7’s map looks great, the little units fighting while next to eachother also look fantastic, but the leaders look like absolute dogshit.
>>1855131delusional, you can clearly see the hex delineation in 5 because the textures are so rough, VI looks like actual terrain. Not to mention with wonders and districts on the map it looks like an actual civilization instead of a tac map with a city marker.
>>1830238>>1832624so basicaly a comeback to civ4 or it just automove all units ?
>>1828834You can send a general to fight the enemy army musou style
>>1859152The textures could be 2 times rougher and it wouldn't have mattered, because people were complaining about how the style looked simpler and more cartoonish, while somehow feeling less espressive(the one strength of simplification) and there wasn't enough stylization to even justify it.
so what do we think sisters?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfTUZchEfaA
>>1860295I think it's really cool that they have finally come to the point of introducing non-political leaders. Confucius is a far more influential figure for China than any of its emperors, about whom no one actually cares. But it's quite interesting that they made him an expansionist, lol. Where did this even come from?
>>1860310I wanna see that emperor (i think it was xuanwu) who found a courtier with a huge dick and forced him to fuck his family members. we have the cuck chair pov diplo view anyway, it would be perfect
>>1828834NAVIGABLERIVERS
>>1828834Will there be less boring micro?Civ 4 was the last good one.Civ 5 cant automate cities. Civ 6 can't automate cities or workers.To the autistic fucks who always leap in to explain why. Die in a fire I don't care what you think. Also Alpha Centauri nailed automation and general game mechanics. Civ pales in comparison.
>>1851471>hitler dindu nuffin
>>1860310>introducing non-political leaders.unfortunately it will be used as an excuse to include shit like Harriet Tubman lmao
>>1860295>build something you believe inThis tagline sucks, drop civ switching and let us build a civilization that will stand the test of time
>>1860738Well, from what we know so far, Benjamin Franklin and Confucius 100% deserve to be in game.
>>1860310There's a reason Gandhi has been the most iconic character in the series since the very first games. Leaders of social movements like that can be a much better representation of their civ's personality and theme than a random king or emperor who happened to have a good reign.>>1860738Harriet Tubman would be an alright choice but MLK or Frederick Douglass would be fantastic as American leaders.
>>1860742Benjamin Franklin probably would have flown previously as an American leader anyway. In general I see restrictions as good to avoid relying on figures who are just the most known in pop culture, and civ/leader tie ins even better so that, for example, they would have to include somebody like William the Conquerer if they want a Norman civ instead of skipping over him to add another American.
I always thought Alexander was really ill-fitting as a Greek leader, Pericles is fine but feels a little obscure. If the shift to non-political leaders means we could get Socrates, Plato, or Aristotle instead that would be fantastic.
>>1860769>we could get Socrates, Plato, or AristotleThey are already presented as Greek specific great people. But interestingly enough there is no Homer.
>>1860743mlk could work but harriet lardman and fred whoseass are terrible choices
leaders are healing
>>1860295ojisan
>《禮記·曲禮上》:父之讎,弗與共戴天>With the enemy who has slain his father, one should not live under the same heaven.>子夏問於孔子曰:「居父母之仇如之何?」夫子曰:「寢苫枕干,不仕,弗與共天下也;遇諸市朝,不反兵而鬥。」曰:「請問居昆弟之仇如之何?」曰:「仕弗與共國;銜君命而使,雖遇之不鬥。」曰:「請問居從父昆弟之仇如之何?」曰:「不為魁,主人能,則執兵而陪其後。」>Zi-xia asked Confucius, saying, 'How should (a son) conduct himself with reference to the man who has killed his father or mother?' The Master said, 'He should sleep on straw, with his shield for a pillow; he should not take office; he must be determined not to live with the slayer under the same heaven. If he meet with him in the market-place or the court, he should not have to go back for his weapon, but (instantly) fight with him.' 'Allow me to ask,' said (the other), 'how one should do with reference to the man who has slain his brother?' 'He may take office,' was the reply, 'but not in the same state with the slayer; if he be sent on a mission by his ruler's orders, though he may then meet with the man, he should not fight with him.' 'And how should one do,' continued Zi-xia, 'in the case of a man who has slain one of his paternal cousins?' Confucius said, 'He should not take the lead (in the avenging). If he whom it chiefly concerns is able to do that, he should support him from behind, with his weapon in his hand.'Based Confucius.
>>1851471surely the reason countries declared war on Germany was fear of their economic reforms. Poland simply couldn't handle the idea German plumbers would out compete them in the free market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4eppbzoMWghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWR-xSdlawUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL_WsOQANMcwow the music sucks
>>1863106Better than in 6. But hardly any soundtrack can ever beat 5.
>>1863106If modular music isn't added then it's shit.
>>1863106I prefer chappell roan, shes such a talented queen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6DF9IoVInQ&list=PLfbLEC-zvtTqjf41Ek2fHE17XoRptt9uz&index=1
>>1863315https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfbLEC-zvtTqjf41Ek2fHE17XoRptt9uzPlaylists don't seem to work here.
>>1863315this one sounds alright
https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/civilizations/khmer/Wait, what? Why is the Khmer an Antiquity age civ? I thought they went in chronological order.
>>1863487Gotta shoehorn them into ancient so it fits with age of exploration aborigines.
>>1863487>Khmer is antiquity but Buganda is contemporaryWhat is this shit, I hope its because they are fixing stuff and not because they cant open a goddam wikipedia article and see the dates.
>>1863611>hope its because they are fixing stuff and not because they cant open a goddam wikipedia article and see the dates.I think it's more of a gameplay reasons. The Khmer Empire is more thematically suited to Antiquity, being a huge continental agrarian empire of monument builders, whereas Exploration age is reserved for maritime colonial powers vs the aborigines and Modern era is for industrial imperialistic powers vs third world shitholes.
>>1828834The civ switching has to the part I like the lest. Some of the switches don't even make sense.
>>1866319I think it's everyone's sticking point. It doesn't belong and it's just made worse by all the african civs they're wedging into the exploration and modern age.
What i see in all generes graphicwise, they all try to up the graphics - if theres no talented director behind it, it revoleves around "art" being more realistic. It ends in hyper realism (which we are far from when it comes to 4x games, but were getting closer and closer) without any style to support and give the game something which make it different from other titles. Games arent art, they are products, but good games does include some form of art sometimes, graphic, design, music. Realism was always a dead end for art, its uninspired, always the same and dont reperesnt any other thought besides "hey look! Its almost like irl, how cool is that!". Basicly the target for hyperrealism are people that dont know shit about art and just want everything to imitate their mundane life, because they dont have any spark of imagination.
>>1866319I don't know why so many people care about the switches "making sense". It doesn't make sense for Germany to build Ankgor Wat or China to spawn Martin Luther either but shit like that has been in every civ game, it's meant to be a 4x with a history theme not any sort of historical simulation. What I'm concerned with is if it's good gameplay and I'm hopeful they'll be able to avoid the issues that made switching in Humankind feel so bad.>>1866344>all the african civs they're wedging into the exploration and modern ageThey have shown 1 (one) African civ for exploration and 1 (one) African civ for modern.
>>1866377Yeah which is 2 more than there should be. And we all know if they've shown 2 already there will be many more.
>>1866377There is also one confirmed African civ for ancient age (Aksum). Also Egypt technically is an African civ and there will also be Nubia 100%.>>1866382Seems like a (you) problem. Take your meds.
>>1866382Buganda is a weird choice for modern but Ethiopia, Zulu, Sokoto, or Swahili would be good. And Songhai is a fine pick for exploration but Mali, Benin, Kanem-Bornu, Zimbabwe, and Kongo would all be good additions. They could add Ghana or Nubia for antiquity too.
>>1866377>I'm hopeful they'll be able to avoid the issues that made switching in Humankind feel so bad.I think they will pull it off. not at the start thats for sure. these motherfuckers gonna sell twice or thrice as much leader packs and cosmetic shits and personas fr fr
Civ is a shitty game and always will be, go fuck yourself with your pyramids in New York, play parashit games or die, Sid Meier is a retard.
>>1850406fuck off. A nation is a place where most people share a national identity. Going from egyptian to mongols is the opposite of that.
>>1867817>A nationNations appeared in the 19th century.
>>1867927>he doesn't know about rome!fuggin redard
>>1867934Rome wasn't a nation in the modern sense of word either. Every egyptian or britoid, or whatever might have been a Roman citizen despite their historical backgrounds were very different and they eventually ended up taking very different historical routes as well.
>>1867945Your school failed you. Being a roman citizen was extremely important and specific, only extending to what we consider modern day italy for much of Roman antiquity. To claim Rome was not a nation is pure idiocy.
>>1867954>for much of Roman antiquity.Lmao, provincial elites were getting Roman citizenship from the very beginning of the Empire (and even in the late Republic). Not to mention that "Italy" itself has never been a homogeneous space nor it is now.
>>1867795>Civ is a shitty game and always will be, go fuck yourself with your pyramids in New York, play parashit games or die, Sid Meier is a retard.
>>1867795that's a robbie maldie
>>1867795The pyramids are in las vegas and memphis.
>>1828834the game's metapolitical message is that nationalism is bad
>>1863487I think the developers said they're more going off the historiography of particular regions rather than actual dates. So the Khmer is the classical period of southeast Asia despite existing in the exploration age. I don't like it though, history is pretty faithful to climate shifts actually so it works to have the 5th century and 17th century be the era crisis because they were pretty much everywhere due to the earth cooling.>>1866319>>1866344It's grown on me. Especially since they've been adjusting the historical paths as they reveal more civs. India, China, and Japan are in all ages which is good. Egypt to Songhai is a travesty but recently they revealed it's the Abbasids which is a lot better. They also have Rome to Spain now which is a lot better than Rome to the Normans. Eternal states are kind of lame and immersion breaking anyway as long as their is some sort of continuity, I'm happy.>>1866382African civs have literally been around since civ 1. Maybe not Buganda but Aksum and Songhai should definitely be in the game. The Ashanti empire would be a good modern age civ and Ghana or Mali could precede Songhai. Maybe zulu and Kanem-Bornu but that's when I start to ask what really is a civilization.One spot where I am a little chuddy is the Shawnee because they weren't city builders and I think it looks strange. Cahokia would be cool though.
>>1867954It's not a nation, nations are an early modern concept that we think of today
>>1828834I still don't have a civ 6 Julius Caesar ruler because I refuse to sign up with a 2k account
>>1859152I just want full leader screens from Civ V back.
>>1869015>Augustus standing before the Senate >Hatshepsut on her throne surrounded by servants, priests and scribes>Napoleon on the field standing with his marshals behind him on horseback>Tecumseh and his braves in a wooded clearing>Franklin in a bathhouse with several prostitutes.>When you make a deal the background people celebrate and when you make them angry all they start shouting in outrage like with civ V montezumaThis is my dream
>>1869248Meant for>>1869059
yooo we eatin good shawnee bros
>>1869260>organizations that self-identify as Native American tribesIs this considered trannism?
>>1869302funny enough not really
>>1828846Do the animations include historical child rape?
>will civilization 7 be the next civ killer?
Attaching a Vietnamese leader to the Khmer civ is something else, kek.
>>1871728What is the issue? I understand they are different nationalities but I genuinely don't know a damn thing about SEA culture and I'd like to know why you singled this out. England has a French leader in civ6 for example and it's not only a non issue but actually historic.
>>1873438Nta but Eleanor was the queen of England as well as queen of France and Duchess of Aquitaine. Even though she attained the title from marriage she still was the queen of England. The Trung sister led a Vietnamese rebellion against China centuries before the Khmer empire formed in Cambodia. Their territories never overlapped and the cultures are unrelated. It's a very bizarre choice kind of like if they made Hannibal the leader of the Byzantine Empire since they were both from the Mediterranean.
>>1873460Cool, thanks for the explanation.
>>1873438>I understand they are different nationalities but I genuinely don't know a damn thing about SEA culture and I'd like to know why you singled this out.Well, long story short, Cambodia and Vietnam haven't gotten along well, historically speaking. And it was not a rivalry of equals, but more reminiscent of the relationship, lets say, between Poland and Russia or something like that.
>>1873636damn the game looks good thoI would add a little tilt shift effect for screenshots
Civ 7 looks awesome. I will preorder it at some point. For the civ switching haters, I just want to say I think you’re gay and retarded. Civ isn’t a history simulator and would make no sense to play like one anyways. Its a game that weaves history and fiction because how else could you build and play out the fucking Germans, USA, etc etc from the beginning of time until modern day all while playing the game how you want? I wish whiny people would just die. Go play civ 5 for the next 20 years no one gives a fuck.
>>1873674I love it but the excess of sprawl looks weird to me. I liked the way civ VI cities looked because the districts felt like small towns surrounding the capital. Mega cities in the antiquity and exploration age feels weird.>>1873677Agree but the civ switching should be culturally or geographically relevant only
>>18736772/10
>>1873731>agree but the civ switching should be culturally or geographically relevant onlyIt should be gameplay relevant only. Most of players will choose a civ which adds to their geographic, resource, military etc bonuses. Civ is a competitive game where your main goal is to achieve victory, not to repeat history in the most authentic way possible.
>>1873731>agree but the civ switching should be culturally or geographically relevant onlythe roman - norman - french is culturally and geographically authentic and immersiveI think after a bunch of dlcs its gonna be fine
>>1874210It's acceptable for launch. Hopefully they'll add Byzantium and Francia and maybe even Papal States and Venice as successors to Rome eventually.>I think after a bunch of dlcs its gonna be fineYeah dlcs and mods will fix it for sure. I'm pretty excited the potential of that feature.>>1873765That's why humankind failed. People like to weave stories and narratives not just play a soulless boardgame. I agree you should have plenty of options to enhance the gameplay opportunities but you can easily make diverse historical options rather than making it random.
>>1874356>That's why humankind failed.Nah, it failed because its empire management was shit and it was not fun to play at all. Power scaling was absolutely broken in this game, and as a result it required way too many abysmal micromanagement and dull grinding from the very beginning, and it was even getting worse and worse as the game progressed. It's genuinely pathetic how history larpers try to present civ switching as the main reason for humankind's failure, while in reality everyone would have swallowed it, if the game wasn't an absolutely broken piece of slog with literally unplayable gameplay mechanics.
>>1874210>picks one of the most nonsensical civ progressions as his defensedamn, it really is shit.
https://youtu.be/TNh5Js6jJSII wanna cum on her hairy bush. I knew shes got a lush bushy bush
>>1873546>jozef pilsudski the tzar of russia
>>1874619More like Catherine the Great, empress of Poland, kek.
>>1874702well, she was kind of close to a king(very close) and at her time she inherited puppeted PLC that she lost and give parts of it to prussia(feeding Germans will never come back to haunt you)
>>1874388piss off robbie
Does Civ switching mean Greeks become Turks?That could be problematic
>>1875212There will probably be the Ottomans in the modern era so kind of yeah. The Anatolian route.
>>1875212Greeks literally did become Turks though.
>>1861093Crazy they are adding Chris Chan
>>1861093Hilarious that they gave him lady buttons in the early version
>>1875212That would be hilarious, yet realistic
>>1875212>melting turk nationalist noises
>>1875212>>1874210I cannot wait to play as russia with romans.
>>1881210>I cannot wait to play as russiaAre you even sure that Russia will be in the game, considering the current environment in the West?
>>1868585I don't think that's what they were going for, rather that no civilization lasted forever, even China in various parts of its history were unrecognizable to each other. But also, societies don't stop existing just because civilizations do, new ones get built on the ruins by the survivors. People didn't stop living in Rome when Rome fell, they became a new civilization.
>>1867817Didn't they say there wouldn't be really radical shifts like that and you'd switch from one civ to another that's in some way related to them?
>>1881470Germany is in every game despite Hitler existing, it'll probably just be Peter the Great or Catherine again.
Graphics look nice and I don't really mind the civ switching thing but no workers is an absolute dealbreaker for me. Sending little guys around to build farms is like 90% of my enjoyment of a civ game
>>1882150ivan the terrible would be kino
>>1882146People still have a relation to their old civilizations. There's a continuity to it. A lineage. A cultural genealogy.
>>1882150Hitler happened almost 100 years at this point, no one actually cares. The cancelling of Russia (not only its government) is happening right now.
>>1882360>Hitler happened almost 100 years at this pointWhen Civ 1 came out WW2 was less than 50 years ago, it was still in a ton of people's living memory and the veterans weren't even THAT old yet. Also to say no one cares is blatantly false, the ending of WW2 is basically the foundation myth of practically every modern nation on earth today because regardless of which side they were on, they can trace the path they want on from now to being participants in that war (except China where it happened like 3-4 years later)>The cancelling of Russia You can't be serious with words like that.>>1882188And people even back then mocked that connection. There's a reason the rest of Europe kinda snickered whenever the ERE addressed themselves as "The Roman Empire" in documents
>>1882668>And people even back then mocked that connection. There's a reason the rest of Europe kinda snickered whenever the ERE addressed themselves as "The Roman Empire" in documentsAgain, this just proves my point: the game is metapolitical. There are people that value & identify with civilizational continuity, and those that snicker at it ("We wuz kangs"). The game devs here look to be in the later camp; otherwise why change the mechanics?
>>1867934While I'm not 100% it's tje same for Rome since Roman seems to have quite quickly overtaken Latin or Italian identity, for Greece it's evident that while an ethnic identity did exist - Greek/Hellen - it didn't have primacy as the modern nationality does. Back then citizenship of a city or a community was the main identity. Along side that there were both regional and tribal identities that were relevant in appropriate situations. So while the idea of ethnicity and a nation had been around for a while, it was only relatively recently that it was invisaged as the primary and unifying idea for a state.
>>1882754That's mainly because it wasn't needed back in the day. When a country simply was all the private property of the king and everyone else was just living on it, you don't really NEED a justification for a country to exist beyond "it just does". When monarchy started going away, sure the idea of the nation was there before, but the idea of the nation-state was a relatively new construct to justify why the borders should or shouldn't change.
>>1882754>Greek/Hellen - it didn't have primacy as the modern nationality does.Because the modern Greek identity isn't founded in its ancient past, it's founded in the hardship Greece experienced in its War of Independence. Breaking almost 400 years of Ottoman subjugation is far more important to them than what happened 2000 years ago.
>>1882715>otherwise why change the mechanics?In all honestly, it was probably something they thought up mechanically first and then tried to crowbar in a lore justification later. The mechanical reason being trying to fix the fact that people don't pick late-game civs because they're just objectively worse than ones with early-game bonuses because late-game civs can't snowball.
>one civ7 thread, specifically about the other mechanics, not the civ switching>subhuman retards still talk about the civ switching instead of making new threads
I dont like the civs staring at each other in diplomacy. They should be staring at (you) while you do diplomacy. Just a small thing that makes you like or hate an ai leader more.
>>1835525For that i really like using perfect world map script and selecting "start in old world" AI is pretty good in claiming new territories once astronomy is resarched So you need to be prepared to claim them yourself fast. Once you do you have a choice, you can make colonial states that become your vassals and if you dont like that you should beeline for communism and get state property otherwise you bankrupt yourself. AI in not good at that aspect of colonialism, I noticed they typically dont do either and struggle economically.
>>1828834will civ7 kill the franchise ?
>>1886678Unlikely. Basic Civ formula proved to be enduring and none of the latest civ-likes was particularly impressive. VII will be major hit, based on the brand alone
lmao, this nibbahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N6hmgn_ivc
>>1886777Smug Florentine
Civ 7 really feels like they lost faith in the franchise. 5 and 6 both made huge changes, but it still felt like there was some level of continuity, like they were at least responding to issues the previous games. So many of the changes in 7 seem to be coming out of left field.
>>1886777robot chicken looking ass
>>1886777and theres no cool explor age firenze faction. they just suggest you should pick the normans or the greeks lmao
>>1886777So... is there going to be an Italian civ in the final age?
>>1886859no chud, Italian civs evolve into tunisia, libya or algeria
>>1886859We shouldn't expect all the "major" European civs to get modern era representation, and that's okay.
>>1886958the french empire is in the modern era
>>1886958But the European powers were extremely significant in the Age of Modern. Italy can be omitted, tho.
who could stop him?
>>1886859Probably as DLC
>>1886886>Algeriabut France controlled Algeria.
>>1886777I'm not against Machiavelli and the civ basically being a Venice on steroids, but I have a feeling his bonuses will fall behind lategame pretty hard.
>>1886777Machiavelli feels weird, just use Cesare Borgia
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-lTq9LJCHpQD5aqeUE_-dRGHwlrXE94RAre these just random compositions instead of traditional melodies now?
>>1887887Yeah the idea that you play youfailed politicians is weird
>>1886783If they were to critically examine 4, 5, and 6, look at what each did right and design around that they would have made 7 the next great game. Instead it's like a boardroom just looking out at their competitors and saying "let's do that". Firaxis is no longer in the innovation phase and has shifted to the copy phase.
>Firaxis>look closer>Fear AxisHuh?
>>1887887>BorgiaBorgia is too niche. Machiavelli is way better known and is a meme of a sort
>>1888214>Borgia is too niche.Really now?
>>1888222She's a fucking nobody but is also pushed right front and center by an autocratic communist state which is extremely intent on molding the opinion of all the people at home and abroad.Basically just as obscure as Lee Sun Shin. A historical nothing that South Korea (and only South) built up into a national icon and symbol that's used everywhere and pushed both on the locals and tourists to the point a Korea where no one knows about the faggot is incomprehensible to them... a random "Who?" to the North Koreans, tho. And not because Norks lack history classes or state propaganda about how the Korean culture and history is the oldest and greatest ever.So yeah, she's not in the same category as Borgias.
>>1888241>She's a fucking nobody but is also pushed right front and centerI can already imagine the miles long Wikipedia article referencing books like "National Identity and Gender in Medieval Thailand".>Basically just as obscure as Lee Sun ShinAssuming it's the same as Yi Sun-Sin, that's a surprise to me. I'm not a Korean history buff and it's basically the only famous Korean figure I know of, together with muh king Sejong. Is it just fake popularity?
>>1847440Source?
>>1888214exactly why I hate this "anybody can be a leader" thing, you inevitably get way more pop culture figures + some DEI choices while restricted it to civilizations and their leaders can net you figures off the beaten pathnow everybody is the Gandhi meme (who himself is conspicuously absent and inevitable dlc)
>>1887918>innovation is when you just take shit from your old games and haphazardly slap them together>copying is when you make entirely brand-new systems
>>1888222The thing is: SEA history as a whole is quite niche. Can you name any SEA leader not from the modern era without google if you are not from the region? Exactly.
>>1888488Yes "borrowing" from humankind is a brand new system lmao
>>1888601The switching mechanic in civ 7 has literally nothing to do with humankind's beyond the basic concept. They are nothing alike mechanically.
>>1888620>switch civs at the end of an era>switch "cultures" at the end of an erathey are the sameciv 7 has token prerequisites to try and tone down the schizophrenic switching of humankind but considering the canon path for pharoahic egypt is egypt-songhai-buganda it's arguably more schizophrenic
https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/civilizations/mongolia/mongol rape train
>>1828834The trailer looked neat, might be a return to form.
>>1888981
>>1851397>Endless LegendIs it good?
>>1886777did they base his model off big bang sheldor or something
>>1887888(checked)the greece one is based on the delphic hymn to apollo, the roman one is not based on a specific piece, don't know about the irrelevant civs
>>1888987Endless legend is a good game with a polarizing combat system. Generally anyone who bounces off of the game does so because of the combat.
>>1888620okay now compare civ 6 city lights to the "brand new" rural and urban city design mechanics
Isabella's back with her civ 5 ability (without having to discover stuff first)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV2XFYfeZJw&ab_channel=SidMeier%27sCivilization
Looks neat so far? I like the commanders.
>>1890658We can't keep playing as Spain?
>>1890661only Social Credit gods get to play their nation
>>1890668Yeah, good ol' Buganda being one of them. Weird of them to put Normans in Exploration age rather than just England. If it were "Medieval" era, it would make much more sense btw one more era would be nice to have.
>>1890669>btw one more era would be nice to have.But can you justify having one more era from a gameplay perspective? Now the eras look quite distinct at least.
>>1890661No, you'll become Mexico and you'll like this.
>>1890668and poos
>>1890673Maybe it's irrelevant gameplay wise, I was just thinking from a historical perspective, it feels off with just three eras. Seems to me like like Antiquity is 4000BC to 476AD, then Exploration until 1760 or so, and after that Modern Era's the rest of the game, imo it's too much time between them.>inb4 Civ isn't a historical simulationYeah yeah I know
>>1888222She's such an awful leader choice. She didn't even succeed. She got captured and executed by the Chinese, and the Vietnamese went right back to being colonized and enslaved for the next 1000 years.
Apparently there's a Hawaiian wonder you can build, maybe it means Kamehameha or the last queen?
>>1890682It's simply stupid limiting the game this way. I'm sure it's backend engineered because some dipshit wanted the civ switching and this was how it 'had' to be.Civ switchign should have just been a modification like secret societies etc.
I still dont like the UI in 7. It looks so bland and lifeless.>>1890637Im happy shes back. One of my favorite runs in Civ 5 was picking her and the goal was to have every natural wonder in my borders.
>>1890898Not all wonders correspond to civs or leaders (at least for now). There will be Hanging Gardens in the Antiquity Age, but there will be no Mesopotamian civ, at least at release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU8laVNxvQwthey reuploaded the Abbasid theme cause they mixed their symbol with this lmao
>civ switching Welp maybe Civ 8 will be good..
>>1890637hell yeah finally a genocider european colonizer for me!the game looks so good fr fr, wonder what are gonna be the other possible paths for spain besides cuckxicohttps://youtu.be/5rrwaXiidJo?t=567
>>1891231>no race for religioninshallah that was the stupidest shit in 5 and 6
I still play 4 and 5. Maybe I'll finally give 6 a try. Won't play 7 for at least 5 years.
>>1891220Hawaii, indeed.
>>1890922If only at least you could stay playing as your original civ, maybe it would be better.
the more they talk about switching civs the lamer it seems really>no, spain cannot last to the modern age in your history you must be mexico now
>>1892441Honestly? They have a point.Modern Mexico has far more cultural influence and potential for growth than modern Spain, which might not even exist as a sovereign state anymore.
>>1830238Ah yes, lets make the already strongest violence based wincon even stronger in our game series where we try to portray humanity as diplomacy loving cultural enlightened beings destined to globohomo and spread across the stars.The fucking tones of civ games are ridiculous.
>>1868525bluff city non stop party at the pro shop
>>1828836Jap women are amazing. Why is immigration so hard.
My current Civ 5 game.
>>1892675Liberty rush?
>>1892732I was so hemmed in I was forced into Tradition. But I was still able to get the official American religion: Judaism.
>>1892827Judaism is the secret society controlling America but the religion is Blackism.
>>1892628never have I ever had a diplo victory in civ games before
>>1892675civ5 was such a trash game but if it did one thing right it was the fact that it was so much fun to just GROW cities and watch them visually get larger. Never got the same satisfaction from watching the numbers go up in 4 or 6.
>>1892947>civ5 was such a trash game>it was so much funyou are the blackest bone in nose nigger baboon that ever walked the earth
>>1892441With leaders not linked to civs it should be retardedly easy just to mod 100 civs into the game at launch and make historical progressions for every option.Someone who's good at modding should start planning it.Maybe wonders and unique buildings would be a challenge but probably not every civ needs one.
>>1890682I don't think we should switch civs more than three times but you're definitely right in that the last era is way too short and I think that will be a big issue gameplay-wise because it greatly limits the civs available. Spain having to become Mexico comes to mind. They probably should've divided it by crises. In the third to fifth century the globe cooled and the Roman, Persian, Kushan and Chinese empires collapsed due to migrations so that's perfect. The next age should either end with the end of the medieval warm period (Mongol invasions, crisis of the late middle ages, black plague, drought in North America, end of the Cahokian, Mesa Verde, and Mayan cultures) around 1300 or the little ice age which coincided with the "general crisis" of the the 1600s (thirty years war, second plague pandemic, fall of the Ming and Mali empires, civil wars in England, Poland, and Russia) and then have exploration and colonization be a big thing in the 3rd age which ends with ideology wars. A bronze age or future age would be cool as dlc but could be hard to make work with their mechanics.
>>1893966>Spain having to become Mexico comes to mindAccording to whom?
hi new civ 6 player here, is there a workshop mod that shows you exactly where amenities are given from? Like, which luxury resource is provided to which cities (1 lux resource is capped to 4 cities) and what the “amenities from entertainment/civics” is from (no i do not have an entertainment complex)
>>1894177that doesn't matter, the game keeps the amenities on the same level. i.e if you build an Arena in one city instead of it going ecstatic it will stop using two luxuries in favor of other cities.
>>1892462but that's actual history which makes it aside the point for the meme 4x game
>>1893866It wouldn't surprise me at all if they heavily neuter mods this entry, this is probably the hardest push they've made for microtransactions
>>1894223i just want a mod that shows me what im getting amenities from because i struggle with them, i almost always have negative amenities and when i dont i have no idea where its coming from
>>1894230negative amenities come from population and war weariness. avoid going to long wars especially against Gandhi, also you don't need more than 7 population on most cities.the biggest source of amenities comes from the culture tree: Republican Legacy, Retainers, Liberalism and New Deal.
>>1894239>just keep track of every policy and every civics upgrades and all that minmax shit broCome on man I told you I’m a newbie, there’s no way a mod that tells you about amenities doesn’t exist, i refuse to believe nobody thought about it after 10 years
>>1894241at most this one shows you in which level the cities arehttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1332994668amenities are a softcap on growth, but as it is mostly an automatic feature most people don't need the information
>>1894063According to the latest exploration era stream when Mexico was first revealed.Right now the only official historical successor to exploration age Spain is Mexico. There is no plan to have Spain in the modern era so players will have to choose to switch to either Mexico or probably France.
>>1894227Yeah. For me that's going to make or break the game.I don't mind civ switching as long as it's culturally or geographically accurate and those boomer "historians" at firaxis sure as hell aren't going to do that right.
>>1893966Good points. Speaking of, is there no more Future Era in 7?
>>1894241just use google you retarded cunt. you fucking spent 20 minutes here yappin and whiningand yeah there is a mod but im not gonna tell you which one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbu3kaHb0oUAs time goes on I am becoming more and more tempted by it.
>>1890682This is literally how every civ game works though. You can load up 4, 5, or 6 right now and see that the Ancient Age lasts roughly the same number of turns as the Modern Age but in the former each turn represents 100+ years of history and in the latter each turn is only 4 or 5.
>>1890682but you do know you will be able to upgrade your units several times within each era. you still gonna have your Warrior Swordsman Musketman Line Infantry Infantry Mechanized Infantry Mobile Infantry chain
>>1828834Can you still retain your old civ, by the way?
>>1895139No, the mechanic of the game is that each civ has unique units, buildings, wonders, etc specifically tailored to their era. Playing Egypt in the Exploration era or Normandy in the Modern era makes no sense, the civs are balanced for the eras they're played in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgHcvlACF8Qman pachacuti was so OP in 6
This is depressing to look at man. I hope Sid Meier gets assraped for this.
>>1896191i like this roaster. im not gonna buy this shit of course but give it a year or two
>>1896191>Mughals>Qing ChinaKek the Indians and Chinese aren't gonna like that.
>>1896191So either Germany or Russia are missing from the Modern Age, at the release lol, lmao even. Can you imagine modern without these two?
>>1896397>Europe without the hellspawn, the barbarian hordes, the chimpout bastards,...It would be too beautiful not to have Germans and Russians alternate in fucking up Europe time and time again.Also, IIRC Britain is not actually confirmed so it could still technically go Germany and Russia but with no Britain.Normans unlock France, we've seen T-34s, Panzer 4s, Shermans, Napoleonic infantry, Japanese battleships and Zeros, Buganda's huts, Spain goes into Mexico,... nothing British yet.
>>1896402>so it could still technically go Germany and Russia but with no Britain.It's even more stupid considering that Britain was even more influential back then. But I do think Britain is in the game from the start, because Normans were added specifically to represent "the English way", at least that's what the devs have hinted at in their interviews and streams.
>>1896407Well Normans unlock modern French. We currently have:Rome -> Normans -> FrenchRome -> Spanish -> MexicoGreece has the same unlock paths as Rome.With America, France and Mexico being in the game, you do really start to see the constriction for European powers who get 2 civs/age.
>>1896407Having only three ages was a really stupid idea. Now gunpowder era civs are occupying the same space as atomic era civs.
>>1896429>Now gunpowder era It begins in the exploration age. The last quarter of its tech tree is early gunpowder with bombards and arquebuses.
>>1896438That's what I thought but the Mughals are listed as a modern age civ when they were relevant during the 16th to 18th centuries and only existed as a rump state within British India by the 19th, so if Exploration age is meant to cover the gunpowder/Early Modern period with Modern being industrialization onwards then they're misplaced.
>>1896528>That's what I thought but the Mughals are listed as a modern age civSo what? Civs in this game are selected based on them being "thematically fitting" whatever this means. Devs showed the exploration era's tech tree, the last half of it has gunpowder.
>>1896878So mughals should be an exploration age civ.
Leader idea: >Malcom X Ability: Nation of IslamWhenever a foreign city adopts your religion, they enter in a period of anarchy, the amount of turns increases as more cities are converted.> Malcom X agenda: One StruggleEnjoys Civilizations with the Order and Autocracy ideology, loathes the Freedom ideology.
>>1896902no, what you dont understand is that the exploration age begins around the fall of rome
>>1897672So firaxis is just making up a new definition for an era that's already established.
>>1897672No, I understand that Exploration is the equivalent of Medieval + Renaissance from the older games. The problem is that that's where the Mughals should be, in the Renaissance era.
>>1897683Also if they want to say America is a modern civ the mughals were in decline at the point that America was on the rise. Chola india also died off in the mid 13th century, well before the age of exploration.If anything they should cut chola india and push the mughals back to the age of exploration. Why can't they just have India as the modern civ like in every other game?
>>1896428>>1896397imba for>greece->ottomans->russia
>>1897705>Why can't they just have India as the modern civ like in every other game?india is not a modern civ tho
>>1898570Gandhi was for a long time the most modern leader in civ only surpassed by Haile Selasse in 5. Of course their UUs/UBs were usually ancient/medieval stuff but there's no reason they couldn't pull something out for modern. If Brazil's singular battleship was enough for a UU I'm sure there must be an Indian plane or something they can use, and Bollywood is an obvious direction to go with for another bonus.
>>1898569Ottomans will be in the modern age. >>1898570It is. "India" was created by brits in 19th century. There was no such thing before them.
