Are logistics fixed yet?
>>1850047Logistics are fine what i am tired of is clicking 20 times to get a decent airplane design
>>1850047I reinstalled and almost started playing then remembered "AI spams nukes with autorecon" if you don't rush them fast enough bit :/
>>1850060weird even on highest difficulty setting i remember getting ahead of AI in tech so much i was discouraged to play the game.
>>1850047Instead of playing this half-baked dysfunctional knock-off why don't you just play HoI IV?Is it because you like the sci-fi aesthetic? I should have known it was not about the gameplay.
>>1850093hoi4 wishes it was 1/5th game SE is, btw no idea why you schizos invade other games threads, there are like twelve hoi4 threads on this boards right now, kindly fuck off there
>>1850128NTA and never played HoI 4 but SE is just kitchen sink of the game with shitty mechanics and bad base design, like every thing is done backwards and in worst way possible
>>1850070I held back on the AI and eventually they start ICBMing you every turn. No missile defense techs, massive pop death every round when manpower is the most valuable resource in game :^)>>1850093HoI4 is unironically for faggots:>>1850128>btw no idea why you schizos invade other games threads, there are like twelve hoi4 threads on this boards right now, kindly fuck off there
>>1850131whats bad design according to you? a traditional wargame combat mechanic? go play hoi4 then you will see why people call it visual novel cookie clicker
>>1850138>go play hoi4the most stealthy paradrone shill>implying SE is hardman, git gut
>>1850093because people want to play an actual wargame not paraslop trash
>>1850093hoi4 is visual novel tier with combat. The game is for 14 year olds.
>>1850141>evolving metaPeople talk about these games like they're esports. Modern Paradox fans are weird.
whats's new?i never tried playing barren planets like a moon, maybe i'll do that if get around to playing this again
>>1850093K go make a shadow empire mod for hoi4 and call me back.
>>1851117I like this image, may I save it?And you need manpower and industry, just expand your borders with your starting troops until you meet resistance and hold. Try to get a metal mine up ASAP. Sell your rare minerals and water/food turn 1 before their price crashes.
>>1851117It's about gathering resources on a post apocalyptic planet. No one knows how airplanes work.
The only thing I really hate about Shadow Empire is how the AI will haul ass up the tech tree and there's no sense of resource parity between giganigga laser riflemen and regular infantry.It kind of makes sense in terms of the sci-dystopian fantasy for 1,000 laser riflemen to be worth 10,000 regular riflemen, but it feels like there's just no real material drawback to rushing zap rifles.
>>1850047Have problem with logistic?Make more truck.Still problem?Make train.Simple as.Now let me tell you what is so bullshit about the game. The fucking useless numbers in the model designer. It's absolutely fucking retarded.And thank have we have blueprints. Because otherwise designing an air model would be a nightmare.
>>1851322I'd like it if the model design iteration minigame was a little easier to navigate and interact with. I think it's a cool idea but as it's implemented right now it just feels like a very half-assed sense of gambling.
>If your Logistical Points get split over multiple (Rail)roads that will count as a Branching. After 4 Branchings your Logistical Points will suffer increasingly stiff penalties when they get branched again.I don't quite get this part in the manual. so instead of having one big highway that has roads that split off to assets it's better to have one single road that snakes between every asset and city?
>>1851375Yes, but I assume it gets reset if you arrive at another truck station(I don't know).
>>1850093Sci-fi aesthetic is honestly my second biggest issue with SE. First is amount of gambling where there does not need to be gambling. Why the fuck can't I just throw parameters into the planet generation thing or even just gamble them one at a time? It's dogshit to play with if you have a specific idea for your planet because it can take hours to get a decent one, only to be fucked by the spawn and have to reroll all over again.>>1851311I believe the problem is that it's trying to directly ape WW2, where upgrades would be just explained by minor stuff or a new rifle, none of which is inherently that much more expensive, at the same time making the differences bigger for the sake of gameplay. It's weird and one of those things that do not make sense because SE inherently isn't built as "complex 4x ground-based game with focus on military", it's built as "counter pushing game but generic so we don't have to replay Barbarossa for the 42399th time".
i played about 60 turns and i like it but some stuff confuses me>managing my cabinet is awful and i hate it because navigating reports feels really awkward>i have no idea what most of what some councillors do like staff>assets have to be connected by a road to work right?>my army feels tiny although i'm only blobbing savages (who i'm scared to attack with infantry)>spamming truck stations seems to just stack and make logistics go further rather than being like hubs you want to space evenly which i assumed it would be>i can't tell what free people are doing>should i settle another city? i'm pretty bottlenecked by ip and i don't see any particular advantage to having one city other than less micro>i already feel like i own half the map and i haven't even invented tanks but it feels like i fucked up and should've gone more into tech and less into industry since infantry can't attack effectively>how to make money besides trade>does militia really exist to stand in cities and reduce unrest?>some councillor said he was starting a rebellion but then nothing happened other than he disappearedi got some tanks and robots from cards and they are so much better at btfoing niggers it isn't even funny
>>1851506>managing my cabinet is awful and i hate it because navigating reports feels really awkwardTrue.>i have no idea what most of what some councillors do like staffStaff council is responsible for researching new formations>assets have to be connected by a road to work right?Industrial assets do yeah. The little towns with bonuses do not and are passive.>my army feels tiny although i'm only blobbing savages (who i'm scared to attack with infantry)Your main bottleneck for army production early game is metal, IP and manpower. This is why you should try and settle new zones or occupy minors early game.>spamming truck stations seems to just stack and make logistics go further rather than being like hubs you want to space evenly which i assumed it would beNot going to get into logistics as it's a bit of a pain to explain, recommend the manual for this though and it's the only place I've found non conflicting information.>should i settle another city? i'm pretty bottlenecked by ip and i don't see any particular advantage to having one city other than less microYou should aim to have a few zones you build yourself>how to make money besides tradeTaxes which I think scale with your population size and size of private industry (I think?)
>>1851538>Staff council is responsible for researching new formationsi get that but they have a lot of sliders and i don't really know what it means but i suppose it will become apparentlike wtf is oob discovery?i've had no necessity to design new formations since mg infantry is all i can really muster anyway>The little towns with bonuses do not and are passive.i had a yellow asset giving +1 machinery per turn which only seemed to activate after it had a road so is that "industrial" whereas +100 pop, +25 credits, or +20 rp isn't? i like to connect them with roads anyway because it looks neat but i have a dump in the mountains which is gonna cost like 2k ip to connect and gives 20 rp>settle new zonesas in more cities? i figured my overall pop wouldn't really grow faster with more smaller cities but it would let me spam industry 1 rather than having to upgradei guess the same would be true for private assets which seem very powerfulempty tiles seem utterly worthless which makes me wonder why i even need to space my cities out vs concentrating them>Taxesi haven't raised taxes once xdi guess i should be spamming raise taxes then because it's unlikely to succeed
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10620&t=359758Here's a good in depth guide on logistics from the forums which is multiple posts long.>>1851543>i get that but they have a lot of sliders and i don't really know what it means but i suppose it will become apparentlike wtf is oob discovery?OOB discovery slider for formation discovery, OOB means Order Of Battle.>i had a yellow asset giving +1 machinery per turn which only seemed to activate after it had a road so is that "industrial" whereas +100 pop, +25 credits, or +20 rp isn't? i like to connect them with roads anyway because it looks neat but i have a dump in the mountains which is gonna cost like 2k ip to connect and gives 20 rpIt does not need a road connection.>as in more cities? i figured my overall pop wouldn't really grow faster with more smaller cities but it would let me spam industry 1 rather than having to upgradei guess the same would be true for private assets which seem very powerfulempty tiles seem utterly worthless which makes me wonder why i even need to space my cities out vs concentrating themYou only need to consider creating new cities when an asset like a mine or a recycling facility is more than 6 tiles away from the nearest city as you will then start to get administrative strain in that city which will give a negative modifier to the production in all public assets once it gets above 10%.>i haven't raised taxes once xd >i guess i should be spamming raise taxes then because it's unlikely to succeed30% income tax and 25% sales tax is usually enough to keep you in the green and be easily supplemented with trading. Keep in mind that your populace will become unhappy at a certain tax level which is determined by your government profile, so you probably shouldn't raise it to something like 60% income tax and 75% sales tax lol.
the problem is that logistics just isn't intuitive and doesn't work like it would in real life. if a unit is out of supply range or there's a massive bottleneck you would naturally think to upgrade your truck/rail station or extend the road but no what you actually have to do is fuck with a bunch of traffic signs and create weird roads with zero branches so you don't get a bunch of arbitrary penalties. units putting in pull requests and then SHQ delivering logi with the points they have is a perfectly fine system, so I don't know why they added all this extra bullshit.
>>1851506>my army feels tiny although i'm only blobbing savages (who i'm scared to attack with infantry)In the early game if you compare the stats of your infantry vs your enemies you'll see that they are roughly at equal strength. Infantry in Shadow Empire if you look at the stats have double the attack values when defending so you'd think that if you attack enemy infantry with twice as much of your own infantry that both sides would have roughly equal strength, however there is a value called entrenchment which is slowly built up over time when certain types of units stay in the same spot for multiple turns and or when a unit moves into certain types of terrain.Entrenchment can more than double the hitpoints of infantry in defensive combat as 1 point of entrenchment gives a 1% modifier to hitpoints. This means that a unit of say 1000 infantry with 100 points of entrenchment has twice the attack values and hitpoints in defensive combat, essentially making it as strong as 4000 infantry. This can further be modified by experience (which per point gives a 1% modifier to attack and hitpoints), readiness (which gives a negative modifier when it's below 100) and commander skills to mention a few examples.During a combat round in a battle (usually lasts 10 combat rounds) a sub unit selects a sub unit on the other side to attack, it then rolls it's modified soft or hard attack from 1 to it's modified max value (depending on if it's attacking a soft or a hard target) against the targets modified hitpoints to determine if it's attack will hit or not, then if the defending unit doesn't get killed or retreats it will get a chance to do a counter attack in which it does the same roll but using it's modified soft or hard defense instead and then the combat round ends. A hit can either be a retreat hit, kill hit or a pinned hit.You can read more about this in the manual and some steam guides but once you get a feel for these things you'll feel a lot more confident.
Changelist 1.26i(#214)-Housing Tech added-Social Housing Asset Type added-Worker Apartments Asset Type added-Added a lot of mouse overs in the election reports revealing a lot more information about how the calculations are made during elections.-Governor influence on elections has been improved + Soldiers voting algorithm now follows more closely the setup for pop+worker voting. Notice that new elections with this version might see some shifts in voting behavior.-Sped up AI calculations with 10-15%Housing NotesSocial Housing Asset provides Social Housing Points and Worker Apartments provide Worker Apartment Points. If more social housing than Population then workers can use remaining housing points. If more apartments than workers than population can use remaining housing. But Workers put in social housing only provides you with 25% of the worker housing effects.Full housing provides +2 happiness for Population and +4 happiness for Workers. This is because worker apartments are way more luxurious and social housing is much more bare bones. If 50% or more of Population is housed then it increases Free Folk settlement, if 100% is housed then Free Folk settlement reaches the point of being doubled. For Population migration between Zones the difference in housing % acts as a modifier that at maximum, when the difference is 100%, can increase migration by a factor of 4 or decrease migration by a factor of 4 when at the minimum of -100%.Having Workers with good housing (apartments) makes it really unlikely that workers quit their jobs, with 100% apartment housing for your Workers the amount of Workers leaving your service is divided by 16. This effect kicks in from 1% onwards.Once worker housing reaches 50% and upwards the recruitment of workers will be easier, up to a factor 4 more if 100% of workers are housed in apartments.
>>1851237>No one knows how airplanes work.A false statement, but even as someone who understands how they work, the hard cap limit of 33 tile max range makes them incredibly difficult to employ in any role other than ultra-light recon planes.
>>1851506>managing my cabinet is awful and i hate it because navigating reports feels really awkwardYes, that is true. I almost never read reports in general, your cabinet should ideally be a one time appointment until they retire from old age, try not to appoint shitters to councillor jobs. Internal political faction RNG can really fuck you over because everyone seems to align with the first one or two, and if their ethics don't match what you're going for it can be miserable.>i have no idea what most of what some councillors do like staffI can explain all, but Staff is a pretty low priority one. It's primary purpose is discovering OOB's (formation types), and developing them for deployment. The kinds of OOB's you can discover depends on which troop types/vehicles you have models for. Theres a guide on Steam that let's you see how to unlock everything. Apart from this, you can use Staff to make custom OOB's, and they also develop the various posture stratagems.>assets have to be connected by a road to work right?ONLY, and i mean ONLY, if you build it yourself, anything built by your civillian sector will get a free road (they do need a road to work, but YOU don't have to build it) All the stuff you find on the map like those old walkers that give research, or old power plants just need to be in your territory, they do not require a road.>my army feels tiny although i'm only blobbing savages (who i'm scared to attack with infantry)This game never gets to real-life or even just other wargame army sizes. Remeber that your population at the start is like, 70k total people. So long as you have recruits to spare i wouldn't call being outnumbered a critical problem.>spamming truck stations seems to just stack and make logistics go further rather than being like hubs you want to space evenly which i assumed it would beDon't spam truck stations. Build 1 truck station in your cities and upgrade it when your capacity is no longer sufficient.
>>1851506>i can't tell what free people are doingFree people marauders just act like neutral critters, they will annoy you and you can just blow them up. Free people villages will slowly migrate to the city which zone their village lies within. Vacuuming up free folk villages is absolutely essential to population growth.>should i settle another city? i'm pretty bottlenecked by ip and i don't see any particular advantage to having one city other than less microSettling new cities is something that should really only be done rarely, if your administration penalty is too high in a large zone, or you want to extend your logistics grid across a space of the map where no city was originally, settling can be fine. But generally you want to consolidate population.>i already feel like i own half the map and i haven't even invented tanks but it feels like i fucked up and should've gone more into tech and less into industry since infantry can't attack effectivelyThis is hard to answer given i don't know what your map looks like, but if its a tiny one and there's very few players then yeah, taking over large portions of the map is easy. A bad map with little population can be incredibly boring to play, and its why i echo the sentiment of >>1851413 regarding planet rng, if you could input the values you want getting consistently entertaining planets would be easier.>how to make money besides tradeTaxes. something like 25% sales and 30% income won't generate any problems if you are Commerce or Enforcement profile, Government players can go up to 50% sales and 40% income and nobody will complain.>does militia really exist to stand in cities and reduce unrest?Yes. They are a joke outside of the first 10 or so turns. Vic should probably rework them.
>>1851506>some councillor said he was starting a rebellion but then nothing happened other than he disappearedHe probably did rebel, but if he did it in a fuckhuge zone of yours he probably spawned on a moutnain tile incredibly far away from the city he wanted to take and never moved from there. You can probably find him if you look around, rebellions in SE are a joke and i actually purposefully push upset leaders to do them, as a leader rebellion is quite literally the most resource efficient way of getting rid of shitters in your leadership structure causing problems.>i got some tanks and robots from cards and they are so much better at btfoing niggers it isn't even funnyGalactic Republic grade shit is indeed incredibly overpowered, availability is the only issue and you can still lose it to some random bullshit, so best make sure they always fight with support.
>>1851976>>1851982>>1851983Anyway that's everything. I can probably answer any question you might conceivably have about the singleplayer experience of this game. I've sperged this shit so much that the absolute inability of the AI to play the game properly is broadly apparent. The game is too complex for it's own good in this regard and once you learn how to navigate the complexity taking complete control of games against the AI is really easy, even on higher difficulties.
>>1850128>no idea why you schizos invade other games threadsBecause le meme runs that HOI4 runs on wear out fast and they need their dopamine fix by starting fights.
>>1851901This, they are great for an initial breakthrough though, even with something like 10 tile range will work if you have time to plan, or get bogged down somewhere.
I really like the game but the DLC was such a fail, it must be some sort of special autism to seek a worse, less interesting solution than just BUILD AND HAVE NAVY. This way my megaempire rising from the ashes feel like their being cucked by some Houthi like mfs with barges
>>1850093Thank you for bumping the thread, bot-sama
>>1852443For me, I always thought it was an ultra-autistic approach to laying the framework for that, i.e.: MARITIME LOGISTICS WALKED SO NAVAL WARFARE COULD RUN. I sort of get why it was done the way it was done.Personally I want more fleshed out minors+diplomacy before I want a navy, but before any of that I want way more thought put into late game ICBM play with regards to missile defense+techs.Also Autocracy generally sucks and shouldn't be treated as challenge mode.
>>1851673i know what oob means faggot but the idea of "discovering" oob is not intuitive although i figured out that it means new formations which are basically techs and need to be "operationalized" instead of invented>You only need to consider creating new cities when an asset like a mine or a recycling facility is more than 6 tiles awaythat's worth knowing, thanksi have a huge 8 tile ruin which is over half my metal and all my rares but is like 80 tiles awayi guess i need to find admin strain and look at iti only just found how to view factors of pop growth, private income, etc>>1851703entrenchment and combat is pretty self explanatory and although the exact modifiers don't seem obvious for rivers etc i've just used intuition but when manpower is so precious it just totally doesn't seem worth attackingdoes it matter if militia die? i'm not sure how they interface with populationthey're terrible at fighting but throwing them at non aligned early on does get rid of them and it takes like 20 turns to have industry and metal rolling before i can really create troops
>>1851982i meant how free settlements are assimilatingi can view how many migrated but not why or where from and idk if they cause settlements to shrink although i assume they domarauders are self explanatory but does fauna endlessly spawn? i had a quick game on a green planet and the elephants were a huge problem>But generally you want to consolidate populationok thanks, i assume the tier of city somehow matters>They are a joke outside of the first 10 or so turnsi don't really mind this but i wish they could be better professionalized to at least be capable of killing small faunai wasn't even fighting mega kaiju it was like "2m tall crustaceans" and they utterly raped my militia>>1851983are buggies worthwhile until i get armor? i'm finally building tanks which i'm anticipating will make offensives more than just>try to isolate divisions and force them to attack me so they can break out of 0 supplyencirclements are obviously the bread and butter of any wargame but when the front is spread so thin they really feel constantdo ranged attacks reduce readiness?i didn't realize how profiles worked at first and it seems odd to me that meritocracy suppresses democracy and government suppresses enforcement but now i get it and i'm managing to stack oneit seems best to just stack one profile and slightly go into what it limits while trying to build a cabinet which agrees with youministers are annoying as fuck though i'm so exacerbated with impossible demands or requests to raise the wrong profile but i'm hoping if i piss them off enough they will just fuck off and i can replace them with a faction who agrees with mei should've just postponed appointments but i didn't realize how it worked and just went for suitabilityspeaking of, how much does initial suitability matter compared to xp gain? if i put some 0 suitability 19 year old with a profile i like will they grow into the role well?
oh and i found you can scrap militia for metal and stuff so i considered just doing that to them once i have like 3 ohq of mgs and some independent armor but metal has kinda stopped being an issue and idk if it's better to keep them around for unrest suppression or hunting down syndicates, which i haven't actually tried to do yet because they don't seem to be causing a problem
>>1853067You can find river modifiers among other things by hovering your cursor over the terrain icon in the bottom right.Militia manpower recruitment doesn't seem to affect population numbers however taking too many casualties in a short period of time will result in your population losing happiness but you probably won't cross over those thresholds even if you use them all as sacrificial pawns.In the early game i use militia to defend my borders while my main forces focus on a specific objective, if i have motorized militia regiments with artillery i'll use them to support my main forces by using the ranged attack order since once they get enough XP they'll be able to get hits consistently which will reduce the enemy's readiness and entrenchment and sometimes they even get kills.Later into the game i just use them to garrison cities and reduce unrest as troop quality doesn't matter for that job.Another neat trick is to disband militia within the borders of a newly created zone in order to quickly raise it's population without having to recruit colonists. This will allow you to quickly upgrade the city's level and thus construct higher level assets of mines for example.
>>1853079>marauders are self explanatory but does fauna endlessly spawn?Marauder units can spawn from free folk settlements in non-aligned zones (400k free folk produce 1k new marauders per turn) but i'm not sure about alien fauna.>ok thanks, i assume the tier of city somehow mattersTier of city limits asset level that can be built, you generally want to concentrate your population in your capital since it's more efficient to upgrade assets than to build multiple low level assets.>i don't really mind this but i wish they could be better professionalized to at least be capable of killing small faunaMilitia that spawn later on in the game will sometimes spawn with copies of your obsolete models but if you want to make them even stronger you can move for example a militia battalion with infantry and MGs into the same tile as your SHQ, produce replacement troops of your latest infantry and MGs, delete the milita MGs, transfer your latest MGs into your milita battalion and then do the same for the infantry. It can be a bit tedious and you can't freely customize them but this way you will have militia using your latest equipment.>are buggies worthwhile until i get armor?Definitely worth it even for the recon they provide alone, hitpoints of units you attack when you have low recon can be multiplied by up to three times. Non-aligned and minor regimes generally don't have any anti-tank weapons and can't cope with armor so just make sure you give them at least 25mm of armor and that you can afford the ammo and fuel costs for them. Though in rough terrain they can suffer.>do ranged attacks reduce readiness?Yes and also entrenchment.
>>1853079>>1853135>speaking of, how much does initial suitability matter compared to xp gain? if i put some 0 suitability 19 year old with a profile i like will they grow into the role well?Suitability doesn't tell you anything about a leaders future potential but you can't go wrong with appointing people with profiles that you like since at 100 relations they get a 50% bonus to all rolls they make. For research directors you want to appoint people with the highest INT stat possible and preferably high capability class as well since that affects their experience gain but high capability is always good for any leader.For military leaders and staff and spy councils you want people with high WAR stat.For foreign affairs you obviously want someone with high CHA stat.For supreme command and interior councils you want people with high INTFor governors you want people with high INT to boost production and trade and high CHA when dealing with unrest.
>>1853108doh i saw the terrain but not the river modifiers>In the early game i use militia to defend my borders while my main forces focus on a specific objectivei have no where near enough militia to even do this i generally just use them as explorers or to patrol around distant assets i can't really secure but from time to time there is an annoying stack of bandits and i've been hesitant to throw my militia at them because idk if i'm killing 500 pop or not when i can just contain them and wait for some real units to be free>Another neat trick is to disband militia within the borders of a newly created zone in order to quickly raise it's population without having to recruit colonistsi didn't know they'd raise pop i figured i was just getting what it told me but that makes disbandment seem much more appealing which it already quickly is and also means that their deaths still matter>>1853135marauders don't spawn in my territory so idc about that but fauna seemed to just appear in the middle of my land and idk if it's because it was early, because danger was high, or because that just happens but i'm positive that they did and it was very annoying because i had no tools to deal with 33k bugs>>1853135>hitpoints of units you attack when you have low recon can be multiplied by up to three timesworth knowingi wasn't sure how recon worked beyond revealing what they had>>1853140so their attributes are largely fixed and their skills are what give suitability but these grow with experience? the manual only mentions skills and feats
>>1853079>ministers are annoying as fuck though i'm so exacerbated with impossible demands or requests to raise the wrong profile but i'm hoping if i piss them off enough they will just fuck off and i can replace them with a faction who agrees with meIf you want to mess with regime profiles some more be aware of your current factions (Reports>Overviews>Factions Overview). Their demands (and the profile their demands will raise) will be based on what their profile traits are. You can “kill” factions by dismissing every leader in it and you can strengthen factions by giving their members jobs. Faction profiles do change over the course of the game, usually picking up profiles that you have the highest of/dropping ones that get lowered. I’ve found that the top faction profile never changes so as long as the 1st profile matches one of the ones you want, they’ll usually adapt to your other ones as the game goes on.
>>1853079>i meant how free settlements are assimilatingThey go into the city of the zone they lie in? They don't migrate across zone borders and you won't get from other factions controlled free folk. Free folk don't migrate to Minor Faction cities, only major ones. occupy as many as you can.>i can view how many migrated but not why or where from and idk if they cause settlements to shrink although i assume they doThey do shrink but this means nothing. Free folk villages do 2 things for you: 1) A loot cache if you are the first major faction to occupy them, this can be anything from credits to machinery or even GR equipment. Rushing to occupy as many as you can early for a chance at that juicy machines cache is worth it.2) They provide population growth through migration (The population number in the village(s) will slowly move to your city). There's no reason to keep them around.>marauders are self explanatory but does fauna endlessly spawn? i had a quick game on a green planet and the elephants were a huge problemI don't actually know the answer to the spawning mechanics, but i can tell you that if you are on a planet where evolution has been going on for too long the native critters can be more powerful than even GR tier equipment. Try to avoid having too many billion years of evolution if you don't want to risk getting into such a scenario.>ok thanks, i assume the tier of city somehow mattersYes, the tier of the zone directly limits the tier of buildings you can construct, eg. tier 4 zone -> max level of buildings is 4. Given that buildings become exponentially more efficient with each tier (seriously, compare 7 tier 1 industries vs 1 tier 7 industry) you should always be consolidating.>i wasn't even fighting mega kaiju it was like "2m tall crustaceans" and they utterly raped my militia2m tall crustaceans can still have some absurd traits if evolution has gone on for too long.
>>1853079>are buggies worthwhile until i get armor?Buggies remain relevant all game, they are comparable to light tanks in survivability, they just use machine gun weapon types and wheeled movement instead of cannons and tracks. The recon they provide alone + fast encirclement maneuvers due to their high movement makes them well worth it at all stages.>but when the front is spread so thin they really feel constantYou don't have to cover every single tile gap in your front. Units exert zone of control, movement costs are increased by 10 (AP) per tile for enemies moving adjacent to you. Only buggies can run past that kind of penalty.>do ranged attacks reduce readiness?They do, and its the main draw of artillery weapons in the game.>it seems best to just stack one profile and slightly go into what it limits while trying to build a cabinet which agrees with youThis is indeed the correct way to play the game, theres only marginal benefits to trying to hit odd profiles like 60 democracy 40 meritocracy. Pick the ones you like the best and always pick decisions that give you + in those no matter what.>ministers are annoying as fuck though i'm so exacerbated with impossible demands or requests to raise the wrong profileNever agree to an impossible demand, it's better to say no immediatly than promise to do something and then fail.>but i'm hoping if i piss them off enough they will just fuck off and i can replace them with a faction who agrees with meThat is a valid strategy as i outlined previously, but if you have alot of PP and money laying around, you can fire the shitters and promise them a 'better job' (Lie) and then just play retirement cards until they accept. You won't suffer any consequences long term if you pull that off, it's why i consider the Interior Council to be possilby the third most important one after Economic and Military councils.
>>1853079>i should've just postponed appointments but i didn't realize how it worked and just went for suitabilityDefinently postpone your council appointments if you only have Cap I or II leaders, (unless it's an unimportant one like foreign affiars), getting it right the first time is best.>speaking of, how much does initial suitability matter compared to xp gain? if i put some 0 suitability 19 year old with a profile i like will they grow into the role well?This depends ENTIRELY upon their Cap(ability) level. For a cap I, their initial suitability will directly relfect what they can do, they are so braindead they will barely get better on their own. On the flip side, you can luck of the draw a Cap V junior with 0 in every skill, but they will grow to become masters of whatever role you assign them in 10-20 turns because of how fast they learn.
>>1853343You know, i'll just write this down now incase it will help someone, here's a list of appointments in order of importance:SHQ Commander <- This is the most important position in your empire. If you hire a Cap V, this is the position they should occupy first and foremost. You will ideally only ever have one - there's no reason to have more than one unless you are playing Oceania and are invading a second continent. Retire whoever holds this position and replace them with a Cap V if you get one.Economic/Military Council <- These two are roughly equivalent in importance, developing your economy and technology is critically important in any 4X game and it's no different here. Cap IV's you get can take these jobs if you get any.Interior Councillor <- A loyal, competent Cap III or Cap IV interior councillor will make managing your cabinet and leaders a breeze. Don't sleep on this position.Zone Governor <- Of your largest and most productive zones. It seems odd and it's not considered a high ranking position by the game, but a skilled and loyal govenor of a productive zone can boost output substantially.Supreme Command Council <- In the middle roughly because it's importance goes down overtime. Early on it will handle activities of some of your other councils if you don't have them in limited capacity like foreign affairs, once you have every council Supreme Command only generates PP, which is an important job, but hardly priority fill for high cap leaders. Anywhere from II to overflower IV's (if you get that many) will do.Model Design Council <- He designs models. This is a position where you can actaully rely on suitability for appointment, Model Design only uses the 'technician' skill, and if your Cap I leader has like 80 of it he will do the job very well.Airforce Research <- Mid to late game job, this one will mostly be grinding the linear aircraft technologies, like lightweight alloys, to make planes better. Anything above Cap I will do.
>>1853345Applied Science council <- Spam linear techs for normal technologies. Mining techniques for instance is very good, once you have micro nuke RPGS, payload optimization for instance is cataclysmically OP to do.OHQ Commanders <- This is a broad category, you might want to put Cap III's for instance on your most powerful tank formations to ensure they can actually get good at what they do, but Infantry Brigade number 36 that you intend to put on hold to guard against some roving wildlife probably will be fine with just a Cap I. As an additional note, demoting people to infantry brigades and sending their HQ formation into combat is a quick and easy way to get rid of bad and annoying leaders. You shouldn't ever use anyone above Cap III for OHQ's though.Foreign Affairs / Secret Service <- Meme councils.Secret service is only good for sending spies into zones to get intel (it won't last, but it can give you some idea of a zone's layout and what units are within it) Foreign Affairs can be powerful if you start out the game surrounded by amicable farmer minor factions, to unify them faster than you could by violence. But major diplomacy is a joke and you will rarely if ever have any working relationship in this game. It's a wargame and the usefulness of the Foreign Affairs council directly reflects that.Advisor <- Pointless.
>>1853349I completley forgot about secretary, they do rolls for vacant positions (at a massive penalty) but ultimately it's not an important job.Attached pic is what your late game Cap V SHQ commander who's doped on every single artifact i could get my hands on can do. This one doesn't even have a high roll of her base attribute stats (For a Cap V) and she's still this good.
>>1853354And here's a picture of what you can do if the starting faction in your empire aligns with your governing ethics. World peace.Now i'm gonna stop spamming this thread but i have one last thing to add: If you play as Democracy profile and Government profile, you get a full set of stratagems to train your leaders easily. You might notice in the picrel that all my guys are quite suitable, this was not achieved only through high Cap levels. Democracy gets you access to the 'Cabinet Retreat' stratagem, which increases relationship and EXP for every single part of your council. That's your SHQ commanders, advisors and your councillors. Maybe your secretary too but i don't know that for sure. It's easily the best stratagem in the entire game.Government gives you Govenor Convention, which does the exact same thing but for govenors.Finally, Wargames is a card avalible no matter what profile you pick, and it does again the same but for all OHQ commanders. These cards applied as often as you can will make a capable leadership of your empire in no time.
Wtf am I supposed to do in this situation? It's turn 4 and I have 500 metal having just finished a recycling facility but only 50 IP. Is it worth sitting on these 2 tiles and waiting until I have units or should I quit and chalk it up to unlucky rng? I know they can't kill me but I can't really do anything either.
>>1853428Are you on hard or extreme difficulty?
>>1853428>>1853439Actually what i should really be asking is are these minors or major factions? It's been too long since i played i can't really tell.If they are majors you should probably quit and start over.If they are minors, keep raising new formations and send them out along the open gaps on the right and left sides, minor faction AI prefers defensive posturing and they will withdraw if they feel their position is in danger of being surrounded.
>>1853439No, it's only normal.>>1853441They're minors but there aren't any gaps anymore. I had some great starting events and a godd cabinet so I'd like to salvage it if possible. I'm thinking I might rush for better buggies.
Oh yay I guess I have no more problems.
>>1853447Well if it was hard, and those were majors i'd say you should reset. Hard and Extreme major regimes spawn with extra army and territory and that can either partially or compleletly envelop your starting position, making the game incredibly difficult in the opening.Idk how many turns back you are willing to go but it autosaves every turn, so you might be able to go back to a previous point where you arent enveloped completely.You could rush buggies but i think light tanks even with just small engines, 25mm armor and cannon should be able to break you out of that pocket. Attack either the tile top right from your city, or either of the two tiles that both of yours touch, for the slight bonus attacking from multiple directions.In the future you should never let it look like this to begin with, always move everything you have on the first turn as far as you can go. Never stay put, or the minor factions will do what has happend in your picture to you.
>>1853507It turned out to not be that bad. I just made mgs and used my gr tanks to breakthrough to do repeated encirclements.>You could rush buggies but i think light tanks even with just small engines, 25mm armor and cannon should be able to break you out of that pocket.I said buggies because you start with those but not tanks. All I would have needed is to redesign the model to have armor but it wasn't necessary anyway.>In the future you should never let it look like this to begin with, always move everything you have on the first turn as far as you can go. Never stay put, or the minor factions will do what has happend in your picture to you.I did but they swarmed me and I had to retreat to not get cut off from supply.
>>1853519>you start with those but not tanksYou should be playing T4 starts. T3 is a boring RNG fest.
>>1853519What is with all that fallout jesus christ
>>1853620That's literally a non-effect level of radiation. Yeah every tile has rads but i doubt its a high enough value to actually impact the game in any way. There's no planet gen with radiation high enough to actually impact the game, you have to carpet nuke something to make that happen.
>>1853225i'm getting better at managing itjust postponing appointments until i have someone with an agreeable profile makes things a lot less annoyingi wish the tooltip gave more info than what it does because idgaf about what it's telling me>>1853329yeah but you can't click on a free settlement and see like>200 pop migrated to Townton because: +2 luxury goods +2 happiness -1 danger -1 distanceor whateveri get that it doesn't really matter because i always wont them and i always wanna max what they like but i like to see under the hood>>1853334even disagreeing to a demand upsets them and every turn i'm spammed with>go conquer this city in 8 turnsi think i rolled lucky with the world because i've only found 1 metal mine and it costs ~35 credits on the market>>1853343thanks i didn't even look at cap or pay any attention to it until now>>1853345>>1853349thanks this is really helpful and i wish the manual had a chapter about itwhat does the supreme command slider do which isn't pp? do they generate cards from inactive cabinets? some of the options like>occupation and governanceare like ??? i'm guessing they're some sort of options for unincorporated cities but there's seemingly no way to know what without just experiencing it
>>1853796>do they generate cards from inactive cabinetsThey just generate low level cards. Once you have a Interior Councillor you should just set it to 100% PP.
>>1853663The tile qith yellow radiactive affects units but it gets countered with the first level or armor iirc.
>>1853796>yeah but you can't click on a free settlement and see likeOh you mean like that, yeah i'm not sure how it works under the hood either lol. All i can tell you is that if your zone is falling apart from unrest, danger and low happiness people will leave the city to free folk villages, and if happiness is anywhere above 'things are currently on fire' free folk will migrate to the city instead. If you play Government, spam the 'Attract free folk card' to get massive influxes of population with no negatives like forced relocation has.>even disagreeing to a demand upsets them and every turn i'm spammed withYes, disagreeing gives you a penalty upfront. But lying to them about a promise will give you a larger penalty AND it will tank your word score, your word score is an extra modifier on your relationship with all your leaders, and having it low will make things even harder for yourself. Never promise something you don't intend to atleast TRY to do.>i think i rolled lucky with the world because i've only found 1 metal mine and it costs ~35 credits on the marketThis is pretty natural, Metal in Shadow Empire is more like the actual currency of the game than Credits are. Everyone needs metal for everything, this includes every factions civillian economy who needs it for construction aswell. Seriously, think about it anon. The only thing i can think off the top of my head that doens't require Metal is like, building roads and solar panels, which require only rare metal. Everything else i can think of needs metal. If you ever player for 100~ or more turns, try and check the in-game price index for resources. I can almost guarantee that Metal is the only thing that only ever increases in value, everything else stagnates or gets cheaper.>what does the supreme command slider do which isn't pp? do they generate cards from inactive cabinets?Yes, that's it. Think of those sliders as budget foreign affairs, budget secret service and budget interior council.
>>1853986green radioactive affects them too it just doesn't kill them>level 1-3 exposure is morale damage and maybe other debuffs i think readiness recovery is one>level 4+ kills people and has worse debuffsexposure is basically rad/100 - protection
>>1854122>Never promise something you don't intend to atleast TRY to doi haven't been it's just frustrating having a faction which i frankly wish would get eaten by a giant spider>>1854122i've actually ran into a situation now where i have a huge surplus of metal thanks to finding deposits and private mines but i'm struggling with food, energy, water, labor, and logisticsi want to spam open farms where i have good rainfall (500-2000+) but i don't want to fuck up my stretched network with branches or have half my points just going to collect grain and i'm not entirely sure how branching and points decay worksmy understanding is>truck station makes points>these carry goods from the shq out to stuff (how this works for trucks not at the shq idk i only have one truck station based on advice itt)>traffic lights let you dam branchs because otherwise the points split equally>forking is lossy>it costs whatever the terrain details for them to move every tile>assets consume logistic points to send goods back to the shqbut what i don't get is how to expand my network if building more truck stops isn't the answer because upgrading the one at home can only take me so fari don't understand what supply bases do either they say they give free logistic ap so does that mean i can move my lp 50 ap worth of tiles freely between them whereas otherwise i'm consuming lp to move lp? basically i should have one every 50 ap tiles (or idk if they upgrade)if i built a bunch of open farms with their own truck stop and traffic lighted lp from my shq to the farms red would this truck stop send its lp to the farms and to the shq? i'll probably try this anyway but i'm not playing atm
>>1854231Assets don't consume LP, they just need it on their tile. It doesn't get used up by the asset.
>>1854231>i want to spam open farms where i have good rainfall (500-2000+)Skip that one chief. Just go for Hydroponics if you struggle with food. Both Open Air and Domed farms require absurd amount of workers, which cost you a fortune both in wages and oppertunity cost of having them work such a shit job. Hydroponics scale really well with linear techs. Get those instead.>assets consume logistic points to send goods back to the shqThey don't, actually. This is a bit of a confusing thing because if you look at the in-game pull points map it says they do, but they actually don't. You just need to 'prove' that the tile of whatever out-of-town building is within the logistics network.Moving stuff back to the SHQ at the start of the turn costs nothing in logistics, your logistics points only get spent on sending resouces/reinforcements/ammo to assets and units that need them.Place your farms along the road network you already built, that's good enough.>traffic lights let you dam branchs because otherwise the points split equally>forking is lossyForking isn't lossy, but what you wrote about traffic lights is correct, ideally you should just never make a network that requires use of traffic lights to begin with.
>>1854231>but what i don't get is how to expand my network if building more truck stops isn't the answer because upgrading the one at home can only take me so farIt is the answer, just not in the same zone. Ideally you conquer a city or settle a new one and use that as the hub of your new truck station.Basically every truck station can send its supplies roughly 12~ tiles along dirt road before they start dropping off, i think its like 18 on sealed roads (???, not entirely sure) and you ideally want your cities to be that far apart overall. But don't think of this as a hard rule.Basically, you want your logistics network to be shaped like a branching tree, that starts from wherever your SHQ is located. New 'branches' in the tree should be in new cities with truck stations in them.>i don't understand what supply bases doIn the previous section i outlined that truck logistics AP can go roughly 12 tiles on dirt roads before they start fizzling out. If you place a supply base 6 tiles of road away from your city, you can extend this. That's what supply bases are for.>if i built a bunch of open farms with their own truck stop and traffic lighted lp from my shqDon't. Just place them along any of the roads leading out from your SHQ, don't make a new one or you will split logistics pointlessly.
>>1854336Here, i drew a dogshit illustration in paint to show what i mean with the 'braching tree'. The only reason you should ever intersect branches of the tree is if its strategically relevant to do so, eg a pair of frontline cities where you may want to move troops between them without having to run through wilderness. Otherwise, make it so theres only ever one way back to the SHQ from any given start point in the network.Use supply hubs if the distance between your cities is high, like 18 or more tiles. Place it in between both cities and both truck stations will the AP boost.Final note about rail and railstations is that these, especially high speed rail, can cover incredibly vast distances. You will only need one rail station in your capital for most of the game, you will simply place railheads in the other cities in order to make use of all the logi points it gives. New rail stations should only be put up really, really far from your capital.
Never connect your rail in a loop back to itself, the "pathfinding" gets fucked up and it ruins the LP distribution.
>>1851322>have tons of trucks>have trains for days>rail and road everywhere>still no logistics
I know there's already a few graphics mods out there, but is there anything that adds new units or changes the gameplay itself?
>>1855802Skill issue.
>>1855802Post a screenshot. Let us see.
>>1855823don't think sothere is no modding support
>>1855802Fag, show us your empire. This council of autists will decide if your complaint is legitimate or not.
>>1855927>>1855965>>1856113nta but this shit happens and it's retarded>truck stationHas a truck station at midway>railHas that also. It glitches out because the engine breaks down.
>>1856117My shadow nigger are you really going to post a screenshot using the "current" overlay instead of initial or bottleneck and then complain you don't have any LP? It sounds like you don't know how to play. I looked it up and the kids these days call that a skill issue.
>>1856122>2k lpUh huh
>>1856133>>1856122Hilariously, not five turns before it was all fine. The engine shits itself and ends your game because lmao not gonna use the roads anymore lulz.>current overlay is worthlessYou're a retard. That's how you can tell the engine is fucking itself. Problem is that when the engine fucks itself your game is over because that's it for your front.
>>1856133Maybe take a look at the preview pts overlay since it looks to me like you deleted and rebuilt your road network and if so it will take a turn for the logistics path to be recalculated.
>>1851375no it doesn't matter, you can set the traffic stop so only pull points go down a road
is building apartments fun in the new beta?
>>1856135Post your save and game version, and I will teach you exactly how to fix your problem.
>>1856117>>1856133>>1856135Gonna need a bigger overview here where your SHQ is visible.>Has a truck station at midwayDon't place truck stations outside of cities.>Has that also. It glitches out because the engine breaks down.If you don't have a railhead or rail station in the tile you want to use rail logistic points on, they will be inaccessible. You need a railhead there to actually use the rail logi points.>You're a retard. That's how you can tell the engine is fucking itself.He's not a retard, actually. Current overlay is infact completely worthless in problem diagnostics other than 'theres a problem'.Bottlenecks / Initial PT's is the actual, real way to find out where your problem lies.
>>1856270>You need a railhead there to actually use the rail logi points.A percentage (10%?) of the rail LP is supposed to leak down the track with or without a railhead/station on the far end.
>>1856346An insufficient amount when you can build a railhead for like 100 metal and IP in 1 turn. Place Railheads in the places you want to actually draw rail logistics points from.
you faggots completely lied about logistics
>>1856857we didn't, you may just be too stupid to get it anon. logistics are genuinely not even hard to understand in this game and i will explain it as many times as i have to for you shadow niggers in this thread
>>1857001yes you did>supply hubs make good junctionsthey have nothing to do with this all supply hubs do is extend how far logistics can move>don't loop back aroundlogistics just end at branches and are wasted but nothing stops you from feeding those branches back into a main line>never build truck stations outside of citiesthere is no reason not to make truck stations outside of cities to extend your networkyou can clearly see in pic related that the truck stops outside the city are both adding 800 points to the network
>>1857001>logistics are genuinely not even hardMb it's not hard but it's fucking retarded, fucking counterintuitive and fucking unrealistic.There no fucking single reason for this bloated shit to live.
>>1857016If you need truck stations outside of cities you should be building rail, my shadow nigger. The refocusing penalty is real.
>>1857016from what i can tell there is a penalty to any truck points that goes through a truck stop, so in your setup the 111 truck pts that goes through truck stop A loses 44 pts and the 486 pts that goes through truck stop B loses 190 pts. So any truck pts get penalized ~40% when going through a new truck stop. So i can see that by deleting the road from Faulshelf to truck stop A you would save 44 pts for example. I think most of the confusion stems from the fact that people can't read the logistics overlays, which isn't all to unsurprising because there are a few nuances you need to know that aren't documented and that if you don't know them you won't be able to read them, particularily with how unit supply logistics works. I wouldn't be surprised if there is exactly 0 other people in this thread that can read logistics.
What is the Shadow? Are we just nanite clones of the long dead Emperor Anubis?
>>1857280fragments of the AI shadow Anubis made of himself
>>1857225You don't know about refocusing but you're telling us that we're the ones who don't understand the system?
>>1857016... My shadow nigger. You didn't learn anything i told you based upon this fucking screenshot.First of all you're right, Supply Bases don't do anything other than extend truck movement AP but if you're gonna make a junction outside of a city, putting a supply base on it is not unwise.Now, i've gone and taken your image into paint to show you what your network should ACTUALLY look like. I don't know what those two external assets you have to the northwest are, but if they are truck stations you should erase them and focus on upgrading the one in Faustshelf instead.All the roads you have connecting shit in between is why you are having problems, every road NOT marked with a red line, should be erased immediatly.>>1857056I agree that it's not realistic in the slightest, but counterintuitive is simply not true, i'm gonna fucking type out a post in a second explaining things yet again
>>1857416>>18570561) When the end turn button is pressed, every single resource your empire produces that is within the logistics network is automatically teleported into your SHQ inventory. And yes, this is teleportation. No logistics points are spent on this first step of the process.2) From here, every item is now distributed from your SHQ. This is why you must make a series of lines and not a web, cities don't ever send anything to eachother even if it would be logical in real life to move metal from one city to another for a factory for instance. EVERYTHING originates from your SHQ.3) This is why you want to draw your network like >>1854340 Any roads between cities will lead to logistics points being assigned to roads and rails that aren't gonna use them as part of the end turn calculations. >>1857016 You can even see in your screenshot in the middle you've got a road with 1476 points on it. What use is it here unless you are strategic moving units?4) If you build the network correctly, your bottlenecks map overview will show you where you have actual capacity problems. Any such issue is usually resolved by upgrading the truck station in whatever city is closer to your SHQ along said bottleneck route, but sometimes you might want a road sign to prevent too much LP from going down a short road with a mine or something.>there is no reason not to make truck stations outside of cities to extend your networkEvery time logistic points cross a truck station you lose a percentage point of the total for no reason. It's why i tried to show in my diagram that you want your cities a rough certain distance apart in order to ensure that the two never overlap directly but rather provide their points along the whole lenght of the road, stopping short of the next station.
>>1857016>>1857416I'm even gonna give you an alternate layout that i just came up with here for you. The attached pic is what i would probably personally draw, if Faultshelf is your SHQ atleast. 6 individual directions to expand your network. The going going to the North and the one going south-west should be connected to the cities of whatever hostile zones those are. North-west would look for a city that way or possibly create one of my own, depends on what your map looks like. North-east would snake around the mountain range or try to find a cheap place to cross it.south-east and south would extend straight. Supply bases would be put after about 6-8 tiles to extend the movement AP if you don't find any city to conquer.If you built it like i drew here, i guarantee you a single truck station upgraded to appropriate level would give you more logistics points than you need, and you would not need to use road signs at all.
>>1857416>but counterintuitive is simply not trueIt's true.How work intuitive logistick: every truck can move 1 unit or rss for 1 hex 10 times per turn, so truck either can move 1 rss for 10 hexes or 5 rss for 2 hexes.How SE logistic work:NOOOO YOUR ROAD HAVE FORK SO HALF OF YOUR SENDED TRUCKS SHOULD MOVE IN ANOTHER WAY!NOOOO YOUR TRUCK ALREADY MOVE RSS ON SINGLE HEX, HIS JOB IS DONE AND HE WENT TO HOME, YOU CAN'T MOVE MORE RSS IN THIS TURN!Only retard can protect this fucking retarded bloaterd shit. And AI totally ignore those retarded system.
Also, how logic of army logistic work:Army need supply every day in X amount, so they keep X+reserve amount of trucks in their own park.How logic of constructions logistic work: construction need every day Y amount, so they keep Y+reserve amount of trucks in their own park.How logic of SE logistic work:Single auto park for all. You build more than single object? Ggwp go re, you fucked since all trucks went to move rss for building.
>>1857432This is just autistic screeching, what the fuck are you even talking about?>NOOOO YOUR ROAD HAVE FORK SO HALF OF YOUR SENDED TRUCKS SHOULD MOVE IN ANOTHER WAY!Road signs exist if you fuck yourself by making the road this way, but even with alot of forks if you have alot of things creating pull points stuff generally does go the right way.>NOOOO YOUR TRUCK ALREADY MOVE RSS ON SINGLE HEX, HIS JOB IS DONE AND HE WENT TO HOME, YOU CAN'T MOVE MORE RSS IN THIS TURN!I don't even know what you are trying to say here. If your logistics aren't in order over the end turn then yeah you can't do anything about it until next turn.>Only retard can protect this fucking retarded bloaterd shit.Guess im a retard then, but at least i can write coherent english.>And AI totally ignore those retarded system.True, they do. Which is why Vic is working on a mid-core simplified logistics system where player and AI would use the same rules.>>1857434Again i don't know what you are even trying to say..I apologize if my replies >>1857416 >>1857421 >>1857424 come across as condescending, i'm just trying to share my understanding of the system.
>>1857484Go back to school then retard.
>>1857517A bad faith dimwit, not sure why i expected anything else. Go troll a different thread.
>>1857529Get help retard. Veryunhealthy to claim that using road signs for keep trucks in road to destination is intuivite.
>>1857531Another bad faith argument, i literally said if you design the road network like i showed, traffic signs are unnecessary.Troll somewhere else or read my posts properly before trying to troll.
>>1857532Bad faith argument is claim that bad designed, counter-intuitive and unrealistic system is intuitive.Get help already, and find in dictionary what "intuitive" mean, you sick fanboy.
>>1857424>split your logistics in 6 directions
>>1857416dude are you brain damaged it was obviously a mock system to test truck stations outside of cities and you know what they are both because they're adding lp and because you were explicitly told>>1857369i do know about refocusing but it's not fucking hard or expensive to dump a truck station near the frontlines for when i need more lp and i di need more lp because there aren't enough cities>pushing into some shitty desert or swamp with no cities in it and running out of logistics? just throw another truck station down and you get 400 more for 20 fuel a turn>or wait 6 turns to upgrade your home station, assuming it isn't maxed>or spend an order of magnitude more resources building a rail networkthe first refocusing penalty is only 20% and having 180% of the lp is very very nicethis "only have one truck station" is just autism when all that matters is getting lp to the front and there are no pathfinding problems you just need to traffic light the way home
>>1857571That was an example of expansion later. There's obviously no point to doing it at the stage the image is taken. Pull points system means things go the right way even without using traffic signs.>>1857580>mock system to test truck stations outside of citiesI didn't make any assumptions and neither should you about what is and is not obvious.>you know what they are both because they're adding lp and because you were explicitly toldI did miss that part of your post.>wait 6 turns to upgrade your home station, assuming it isn't maxedFair enough if that's your problem, personally i just try to keep ontop of my truck station upgrades to ensure i always have enough capacity. Building more truck stations wouldn't work if the distance is too vast though, as you need to have the logistic points along the entire length of any given road.
>>1857589>Building more truck stations wouldn't work if the distance is too vast though, as you need to have the logistic points along the entire length of any given road.Are you actually this wrong or are you shitposting? For someone who is claiming to understand the system you get the most basic things wrong. You can move any amount of points down any length of road with no losses as long as you have enough supply depots and nothing is using them along the way. Your station can be 200 tiles from where supply is actually used and as long as you have depots every 50ap of distance logistic points wont decay. They get free ap from depots and stations after which they use themselves to move.
>>1850055There is a blue print designer now my dude.
>>1857685>Your station can be 200 tiles from where supply is actually used and as long as you have depots every 50ap of distance logistic points wont decay.Supply depots don't stack though?From the manual: >"The Range Boost is not cumulative with multiple Supply Bases en route (if you already have a Supply Base in place and at the end of the line you are not receiving enough Logistical Points, you should build another Truck Station somewhere in between)."
>>1857685>Your station can be 200 tiles from where supply is actually used and as long as you have depots every 50ap of distance logistic points wont decayYou're a very confident idiot.
>>1857484>Again i don't know what you are even trying to say..that is clear
yeah i was right, nobody here can read logistsics so they base their ideas on how logistics work based on what they have read or been told rather than what the game itself is telling them what is happening, thats why these arguments keep happening.well carry on then
>>1857685>Are you actually this wrong or are you shitposting?Neither, but this discussion has broken down into shit flinging.>You can move any amount of points down any length of road with no losses as long as you have enough supply depots and nothing is using them along the way.This is untrue, Supply Depots only refill AP once, it's in the manual. You can go pretty far with sealed roads and lvl 3 Supply Depot though.>>1858019True, i just think the logistics being what it is makes for low priority shit to complain about regarding SE. There are other issues that i think sink the enjoyment of the game further.
How exactly do traffic signs work in this game
>>1859666They block a % of the LP in a tile from moving to the next tile, which lets you keep half your LP from going down a dead end that only needs 100 LP.
>>1858314>There are other issuesdesu there is nothing but issues, there is so much fo them than I do not even see the point of complaining
whats the deal with these BP sink?I'm supposed to get X from budget per turn, the turn before pic related I had literally 0
Also, managed to integrate the minor aliens, resulting in a big bundle of strong native militaryPlaying on the big wastes, is kinda chill but somewhat boringany hints on finding the best spots for settling new villages?at which point expansion is required?
>>1860558Not enough electricity to run the bureaucrat offices?
>>1860567I doubt that would be the case, you can see right there I have a reasonable stock of energy, also gas power plant that is running at 25%besides, isn't that BP budget calculation supposed to be what you got for the turn after all calculations?
>>1860570I think there's a misunderstanding here. I can't make sense of your question unless you're confusing BP with PP, expecting to get 50 PP out of 50 BP input. Which isn't how it works.
>>1860570I'm not sure what your problem is. 50 BP does not equal 50 PP if that's what you're asking about. BP doesn't translate directly like that. There's also some efficiency limitations on it to stop you from pouring your entire output into a single project.
>>1860570>you can see right there I have a reasonable stock of energy>non-zero resource in stock implies sufficient resourcemy sweet shadow nigger
>>1851506>>1851538>>1851976Don't sleep on the overview, it's very handy for checking who's getting how much BP and what they're up to every few turns.Also handy just in case you go all in on one category and forget to change it back
>>1859666They block a % of logistic points leaving a tile down a road with exceptions able to be applied at the top of the screen. This is me using them to funnel all logistics from my capital south to the front lines, I have a city to the west which is developed enough to handle traffic between it and the cap and the pull point exception at the top takes care of local outlying industries and troops.
>>1860723Another shot of same spot without the traffic light overlay
>fiddling with those traffic signs when you could spend ~100 IP rerouting your roads and then not think about it ever againfewer traffic signs = closer to god
>>1860718all points over 200 is wasted. its a pretty hard cap.spending 400 u net about 300.its way better to get 200bp per focus there and just rerouting excess to other.this guy is being dumb wasting so much on supreme.100 of that should probably be put into applied science. or airforce.late game jet missle bombers are OP when it comes to taking out tanks.getting 100% more metal out of applied science is way better than 2 more pp
>>1860734You're either going to be fiddling with signs or roads ideally both, one just offers more control and doesn't cost resources
>>1860741There's diminishing returns but I wouldn't go calling it a hard cap, going from 180 to 360 BP invested still gives a 50% increase to effective BP. Was very useful in this case to get cabinet retreat and bureaucratic push up every turn with leftover PP for cycling leaders
>>1860591>>1860679ahh I see, that's the misunderstanding, where does it say exactly what is affect that conversion?>efficiency I would think so, you can also see I just got a mere 18% allocated to the SCC, barely nothing to general strategems because I pretty much already have all the councils>>1860706true, but completely out the mark, because surplus stock and no logistical strain, also both in capital>>1860723ah neat, so toggling that option enables just enough logistic to pass through enough for pull pointsalso I thought with units pullpoints these type of micro wouldn't be needed anymore?
>>1860759>ah neat, so toggling that option enables just enough logistic to pass through enough for pull points>also I thought with units pullpoints these type of micro wouldn't be needed anymore?Honestly it might not be, I haven't just let the logistics do what it wants and trusted pull points while the network is being strained for a long time.This is what I came up with when dealing with the system early on and it means I don't get upset looking at thousands of points disappearing down shitty country backroads
>>1860759>ahh I see, that's the misunderstanding, where does it say exactly what is affect that conversion?Political Bonus is listed under Feat and Bonus tab as well but doesn't give much detail
>>1857693>There is a blue print designer nowOMFGG i didn't even bother to use that tab over 200h and i didn't use blueprints jesus christ i'm retarded
>>1860759>>1860777
>>1860777>>1860782ahh I see, I forgot about that organizational tab therefeels like I was swimming in political power in the early game and now barely get any to do what I want
>>1860803That's the downside of overdoing new councils without scaling BP production appropriately. If you really need the PP now you'll have to give the SCC a disproportionate percentage of funding until BP catches up
>>1860813yeah, I'm aware even though it feels like it was decently paced with how much I upgraded my bureaucratic buildings at capitalpic related are the details, do you guys tend mess a lot with reassigning directors to match their optimal skills?
>>1860817speaking of which, any advice on how to deal with this member,V capability, but overly ambitious with a divergence in political profile
Also speaking of big wastes, quite hard figuring out the optimal place for new settlements, some of the stuff is just a tad out of reach from the capitalfeels like this is a decent spot for a new city tho, by the curve of that river
>>1860817Yes, if I can get away with it I'll put one of my more promising initial leaders into interior council and start printing and shuffling leaders, they can end up giving massive bonuses. Be aware you'll need a bit of disposable PP and income to cycle through but the results are worth it, pic related is turn 60 on slow speed game>>1860819V Cap - Gigastacey, will be brilliant at anything she does and will level up in no time. Consider SHQ for global combat bonus, SSC for PP generation or Interior Council for printing more GigachadsAmbition isn't an issue if she goes into a director slot, usually only ambition 100 people in governor or OHQ jobs cause problems and there are other ways to bring relation up.Political profile can cause some relation issues but it's worth using her and seeing if you can get away with it, if she's sub 50 relation constantly you might want to look for a new leader.
>>1860819>>1860868Oh, just noticed you're already got her slotted in Foreign Affairs. Look at getting her a medal of merit, get your word score up to 80-90+ and avoid decisions that have huge negatives for her rep as long as it doesn't piss the rest of them off too much.If you aren't actively pursuing diplo with other factions swap her to a better job
>>1860868>>1860887yeah, I guess I'll just try switch a little bit to her faction's profile, and just wait out until maybe the SSC leader retireseven though she doesn't have the specific skills yet, I guess advisor is out of the questionannoyingly she is already giving me headaches, in terms of diplomacy I'm just hoping to get another minor faction to join too
>>1860827The optimal place for a new settlement is nowhere. You should be merging settlements, not founding new ones. The exception is if you need a "bridge zone" because a city you want to merge into your capital is too far away, so you merge it into the bridging zone and then merge that into the capital.
speaking of pull points, not exactly working as intended>>1861005I think that's definitely not true, there is something called a admin strain that reduces item efficiency the more assets further than 6 hex you have
>>1861059>admin strain that reduces item efficiency the more assets further than 6 hex you haveThat's true. But admin strain is reduced based on the number of asset levels that city has. High level zone = high level assets = less admin strain. Also you can afford to just roll with some admin strain when your zone has high level assets. High level production assets are insanely efficient compared to low level production assets, this is why you want to minimize your cities in the first place: so you can concentrate population to get the zone level up so you can build high level assets. The Heavy Industry at Level 5, for example, produces 25x more items, consumes 5x more resources, while employing 13.5x more workers, compared to the Level 1 Heavy Industry. That's 500% more resource efficiency and about 85% more worker efficiency. 20% admin strain would be a small price to pay for that.In addition, distant assets that cause admin strain tend to be very temporary. A mine, especially a high-level one, can drain a tile extremely quickly even more so when you have the mining techs. Why build a fairly permanent zone to operate an extremely temporary mine when you could just eat the admin strain in a large zone?I'm not saying you should just have a capital and nothing else (unless you're on a tiny moon world or something), but even on a relatively large world you won't want more than a few zones, and they should be spaced far apart. This isn't Civilization.
speaking of which, temporary resources, this community oil well currently sitting on depleted resources
also I wonder why the heck they always build a domed farm in the middle of nowhere with new settlements instead of a obvious open farm on the city itself>>1861080fair enough, reading on the rules, it seems it only starts taking penalties after 10%, so having a somewhat bigger surrounding area still feasible, tho still when you're playing on scarce populated world, you have too much open space to try and handle all through your capital
>>1861059>not exactly working as intendedAs long as nothing is losing efficiency due to not enough logistics points they're doing what they're mean to.If it's just numbers not quite lining up I'm going to assume you've got a 30% bonus to logistics points getting applied as a discount seeing as all 3 assets pulling points are only taking 70%>>1861109You can also trade assets between zones to give the admin penalty time to wear off before swapping back, works nicely for a stray asset or two you don't really want to set a new city up for
>>1861259>As long as nothing is losing efficiency due to not enough logistics points they're doing what they're mean to.but they were losing efficiency though?I figured out the issue either way, I thinkbecause the upper road goes into another zone and loops back to the main road there, something strange was happeningI think it doesn't consider the other zone asset when splitting off the city but get confused at the first spliteither cutting off the road, or later I saw there is 'block' for pull points which should work as well
>>1861263>but they were losing efficiency though?Does it actually show up on the asset card when you hover over it
>>1861276yes it was showing when I was looking into the issue at least
>>1861106There's a card for that, it generates more resources at the cost of availability. Mines last a lot longer now due to that card, which is how he got away with ruining MSF yields.
>>1860781lmao>most intelligent(and honest) shadow empire player
>>1860819just bribe her off regularly, money should be not a problem
>>1861351>ruining MSF yieldsthe what?>There's a card for thatIs that the mother load? the one that reduces mining difficulty level?I thought that you would still need some reserves for that to be worth while, either way the resource is gone now
>>1861514Peripheral Mining (I think?)Downgrades deposit accessibility but gives more reserves
>>1861532that's the one, but its also random which deposit gets target, isn't it?
>>1861549pretty sure you get to choose the target mine.
>>1861514>ruining MSF yields>the what?He probably means the soil demetallization asset. It's a building that generates metal, rares and radioactives depending on the planets heavy metal % and it only needs workers and energy.In the past the peripheral mining card didn't exist but ammo costs were also a lot lower. After the ammo changes these assets became essential in the mid to late game since mines would deplete quickly but they were heavily nerfed at the same time as these changes to ammo were made. But shortly after the ability to extend mines was added and not so long ago low level metal and rare metal deposits have been made even more common.Ammo based weapons were also buffed so that they are on par with energy based weapons so now the main advantage of laser weapons are that they don't consume copious amounts of ammo which can heavily strain even the strongest logistical networks.
>>1861549No, you target a zone and get to pick which mine you extend on the next turn
Here are the new housing assets
>>1861600>>1861606Ah I see thanks, you guys weren't kidding about merging zones, the two new settled zones are constantly giving me headaches about low QoL even tho worker salaries are about double than the capital
>>1861650Commie blocks?In my post-apocaliptic, sci-fi, 4x/wargame, supply issues simulator, 40k-esque strategy videogame?
>>1861514>>ruining MSF yields>the what?Metal Soil Filtration, formerly the most important tech in the game.
>>1861080A note to all anons who read this, the first 10% of admin strain is free and does nothing, everything written in the post is correct but you should try to shuffle stuff around to keep every zone at or below 10% admin strain
>>1861862>the first 10% of admin strain is free and does nothingMore specifically, Admin Strain is applied in 10% steps, so 0-9% does nothing, 10-19% is a 10% penalty, etc.
>the AI will merge zones once your troops get close to the cityjesus
>>1861948Probably only a thing with shitty little startup towns, real ones won’t disappear
>>1861966I suspect the AI will do it to any city which is eligible. It's just that a 200k citizen metropolis won't have a 201k citizen metropolis within 12 tiles to merge into.
Man the Guardian minor faction is the worst fucking addition of all time, what the fuck was Vic thinking? Assassin droids and sentinels in every single fucking militia formation, good luck if a Guardian minor is your only avenue of expansion, enjoy being stuck for 50 turns because you can't overcome a SINGLE sentinel formation that lucked out and got the assassin droid attached to it. Fuck.
>>1862593have you tried hitting them with arty? In my experience, sentinels are killing invincible killing machines until they encounter something that's not holding a slugthrower
>>1862654>>1862593or maybe hard hit armored tanks, though I admit they expensive at first
>>1862654No i have not, but auto rifle + combat armour is not enough either, and you need 60mm howitzers or above on tanks to even damage them.>>1862659That would work yes but my point is if they are your only option in the early game ratfucking race and other majors are making progress, your only option being a guardian minor is absolute misery.
Whats the current meta on profiles? I play democracy government mind every single time but has anything shifted in recent times? I saw a cool new card from commerce that lets you exchange money for IP but im not sure that its good enough to outweigh government bonuses
>>1863032You might want to check the manual, I remember something about walkers being good against armor maybeperhaps just getting some bazooka or anti-tank will do the trick instead of going for mega heavy light tanks
>Finally discover and research walkers>They don't even have their own formationsWhat the fuck is this.
>>1863418Yeah it sucks. Your best option is to customize an existing OHQ formation and add walkers to it, setting walkers as high or elite quality and then exclude all the non-walker units when you raise that custom formation and only allow high or elite quality reinforcements.
>>1863251The artisan IP card gives you a couple hundred IP if you're lucky but the amount you get is multiplied by the zones population up to 500k, it can be useful if you're a little short on IP.The private economy bonus from commerce + mystic temple cult combined with governor relation bonus can triple the production of private assets like farms and light industry which is kinda neat and you also get the commercial gift and estate gift cards which combined increase your relation with a leader by +2 per turn. The commerce bonus seems to give you better deals when buying or selling items too.I still like to at least get the 40% bureaucracy bonus from government early on though.
>>1863593i will probably try meritocracy + commerce + mind if i start with one of those cults but my latest world had church of syndics in my capital so im sticking with my old style for now, i just find it incredibly hard to keep government high especially on oceania dlc planets where you are constantly bombarded by the MTH's wanting to buy your population and IP, which is either a + commerce or + enforcement decision.
>>1862593quick update: roaders are even worse and i don't know what the fuck vic was even thinking. how am i supposed to play the early game when i can't even defend myself against these minors? arachnids, roaders, guardians they all obliterate you early game and make expansion impossible. wtf are you supposed to do while the ai majors run away with the game?
>>1863643You can raise government fairly easily if you have the union chief in one of your zones by calling your governor every turn and spending only like 5 pp in total to get +3 government.>>1863702MG infantry brigades should be more than enough to hold the line while you build up metal and IP production and wait for light tanks to be unlocked. If that's not enough then play the defense posture card on them. You should make guardians into protectorates or client states since they occasionally give you an event where they sell you a tech discovery and if they're in the way you can just diplo annex them.What difficulty level are you playing on btw? Oh and posting pictures showing examples of what you and the AI are doing would be pretty informative as well.I fought guardians on hard difficulty one time and it took many turns of them throwing men at my entrenched infantry before i could advance, then i got a light tank battalion and a GR tank to slowly push them towards their city and did a naval invasion on their port so that i could get a better surround bonus on their city before capitulating them.
>>1863702>>1863762Oh and if you diplo annex guardians you get all their sentinels which helped me in the later part of this war. My MG infantry were still doing just fine holding the line before all that though.
>>1850047Oceania fucking sucks, man. If you don't play Commerce MTH contract prices soar to ridiculous levels. I can't scale my overseas logistics operations beyond 500 points per turn because i can't afford anything else.
>>1864055I mean, look at this shit? I've refused to sell them my population and IP because i fucking need it, their relationship with me plumets down to 0 and then they charge me absurd prices. It is literally not playable if you aren't commerce and willing to part with extensive amounts of population. The fact i can't fucking circumvent the water jews and just handle the logistics myself so i can scale it to my own demand is completely insane to me. I just want to do some island hopping for gods sake.
>>1864064I can see reading steam reviews for the DLC that im beating a dead horse here, but holy fucking shit, why can't i just control it myself? Why place it all in the hands of third party entities i cannot control? The system is literally there, just make it so i have to construct my own transport capacity instead of paying the jews credits for it? The DLC is nothing but frustration.
>>1864064>The fact i can't fucking circumvent the water jews and just handle the logistics myself so i can scale it to my own demand is completely insanYou don't like airplanes?
>>1864064Spam the shipyarding card on them, that should raise your relations with them by like +10 every time unless they're hitting you with those events every turn.
>>1864252>You don't like airplanes?I do, but i'd like to see you successfully develop the aircraft that can bridge the gap between my cities in this image out of a 100k population in Hexatown.>>1864419I'm broke all game long, traders never have any money and i barely make any money from taxes even after raising them over 50%, I don't have 2000 credits to spend every turn. Maybe every tenth turn if nothing else comes around demanding money, which it will because i'm playing Democracy.You guys can't convince me this shit is well thought out.
>>1864571I'm straight up just gonna quit Oceania until Vic gives me back control of the fucking game. Then i will rape every single MTH for all the hours of frustration they've caused me.
>>1864571It’s not well thought out and I haven’t touched the Oceania DLC at all but have you tried enforcement + efficiency drives? It’s what I do for credits pretty much every game.
>playing again for the first time in a few months>hard, want to struggle against majors in Hyperwar 2: This Time With Feeling>spawn in the middle of 3 minors>all they do is play teehee i'm not touching you as they hop onto all my tiles without declaring war because I can't interract with them yet>die to internal strife>take two>spawn in Spider Hell>die>take 3>spawn with zero salvage>no metal anywhere to be found>run over by carnivorous snails>repeat three more times>fine i'll play on normal>start in a corner in a 6x6 tile of ruined city>only a single herbivorus alien for neighbors>all the minors nearby are fighting each other instead of me
>>1861650>>1864064>>1864572can build houses and apartmentcan tediously design pointless airplanes>cant build a dock or a boathow hard would it even be to set a tile rule of only being able to move on water not land inversing it.or making logistic path u trace yourself like invisible railroads between ports on water.
>>1864827>>all the minors nearby are fighting each other instead of meShould we tell him?
>>1864827Tech 3 early game on hard is completely fucked since the minor faction overhaul.
>>1864964I mean, the game is basically unplayable until you have an ammo factory.
Is the "oceania" DLC mandatory or is it trash? Reviews look scuffed as hell.>no navy, just some faction you gotta suck off
whatever it is to spam Efficiency Drive and Bureaucratic Push, do that>OceaniaoverhatedMTHs need more work sure but so do minors/diplomacy whenever Republica happens
>>1864572vic is a faggot and you should not expected nothing good from this gameits another case of wasted potential
>>1865213its trash
>>1864064>>1864571I only played Oceania a couple of times but overbuilding IP and selling it made me richer than I’ve been in any other run
>>1864827T3 or T4 tech start? I think I’m done with T3 purely for the reasons you list, it’s too difficult to find a fun start. Either no metal or neighbours most of the time
>>1865508Maybe that be so anon but i refuse to be this pessimistic, i will complain and demand it gets better. The game can be fun when it actually functions.>>1865547Yes, you can do that, but i wanted to play Government, and you get ass-fucked by constant + Commerce or + Enforcement decisions from allowing or disallowing the sale of population and IP. The fact that 'playing Government' and 'having any fun with MTH's at all' are mutually exclusive is asinine.Completely unrelated note anons, but does anyone know wtf those new GR technologies actually do?GR Ringmail, GR Chaingun, GR Shell Camera and GR Combat Simulator i know what do because i've deployed them, but what effect do the rest have?
How do you make air superiority fighters work on bomber intercept, the AI does itAnd how does the airforce HQ unit work? I can only seem to be able to deploy them as independent squadrons, and have to manually set their missions every turn.
>>1865807>Completely unrelated note anons, but does anyone know wtf those new GR technologies actually do?Hover your mouse over the other GR techs in the tech tree to see what they do.>>1865888¨>How do you make air superiority fighters work on bomber intercept, the AI does itIf you go into the unit admin tab on the right side of the screen you can tell the unit on what readiness percentage to attempt to intercept enemy planes.>And how does the airforce HQ unit work?You can manually assign units to an HQ in the unit admin tab, and also for OHQs you can attach up to 2 independent formations to them so that they get commander bonuses.
>>1865915Oh based, I've completely ignored the manager. That is very interesting.
>>1865915>Hover your mouse over the other GR techs in the tech tree to see what they do.Oh, i almost never visit the tech tree. I hadn't noticed the box in the bottom left, cool.
>>1850047Why does this happen? I don't have admin strain penalty in the zone
>>1866113I think that's the cult penalty. Admin strain is just a tiered production penalty to everything, no roll required.
>>1866218Which cult? I'll vaporize them
>>1866246Mystic temple, they give you a pretty solid bonus to research in exchange though
>>1866416So does my universities! Those stinkers gonna get oppressed for causing me delays
how to make more fair world? i always end up either having nowhere to expand and losing, or all the minor factions with cities in the game are near me and i basically secure my victory before even seeing another major faction
>>1865213It is pretty bad.So bad that the developer has stopped development of future DLCs until he gets around putting out more content and then fixing it. And after that probably a couple more DLCs.
>>1866970roll and praythe generation system is really shitty
>>1866970The generation option "survival stress[?]" that makes lots of factions can result in more fair starts because the probability of having an annexable minor nearby is higher, but it's higher for everybody.Tech 4 Council 4 City 2 starts everybody on the same footing with regard to light tanks, gives the basic councils, and reduces that chance that you're just completely hemmed in geographically (especially if you do 1 army per zone instead of militia).Otherwise just play them as they come.
I wish the AI was more creative. It's so easy to sandbag it with a million MGs/RPGs in defensive posture and just wait for your industry to come online and barrel through with your corps-sized heavy tanks.
Is it just me, or is artillery just completely useless>vulnerable to counter-attack>barely ever scores hits>costs an asston of ammunition
>>1867572Artillery is really useful for softening up the enemy before an attack by reducing their readiness and entrenchment and if you combine it with airstrikes (mostly to destroy armoured units) you'll be able to break through even the most well defended tiles.>vulnerable to counter-attackI guess that's what mech. artillery is for but rocket artillery gets around that problem entirely since it can fire up to 4 tiles away whilst being more cost effective.>barely ever scores hitsWhen the attacking side has low recon on the tile it is attacking the defending units get a boost to their hitpoints of up to 300%, the attacking side gains recon as the battle goes on which reduces this bonus to 0 once you hit 400 recon but during a ranged attack you dont gain any recon unless you have the shell camera GR tech.So before doing a ranged attack try to get your recon to 400 to maximise your hit chance, also artillery units with high experience are really good since units with 70 EXP for example get a 70% bonus to attack and hitpoints.>costs an asston of ammunitionMaybe in the early game but they don't really consume much more ammo than tanks do and also their ammo consumption is small compared to tactical bombers.You should still make sure to have enough infantry to hold the line and armor to go on the offensive with before you invest too much into artillery since it's mostly useful on the offensive, it will make you win harder by reducing the losses your attacking units take, so that they dont lose momentum, and maximising the damage they deal to the enemy, since having artillery soften them up makes it easier for your units to score hits on them.Artillery is of course still useful on the defense but it's a back line unit which means it gets debuffs in close combat, so if you're losing a war it's often better to invest in things like infantry, tanks, AT guns or maybe even a bunker line behind a river.
>>1867682Also i use independent artillery battalions and attach those to infantry OHQ formations so that they get commander bonuses.
If you're surrounded by majors is it better to go to war as soon as possible, dumping your metal and IP into units, or turtle up and blast BP to try to out-tech them?
>>1867682Surprisingly informative. Thanks, anon.
Guardians are so fucking dumb, i literally cannot convert this city to my culture. I even have cultural adaptation bnous from Mind, it's been like this for 15~ turns and it hasn't moved a single point yet
>>1867838Send some colonists, that might dilute it enough.
>>1867850That works? I gave the govenor that new card that increases CAS growth and it still didn't do shit. I try throw some colonists their way.
>>1867682does it even make sense to produce smaller caliber guns?the production costs vs firepower(numbers) don't really make it look cost effective>20mm howitzerwhat even is this bs
>>1867838Ah I ran into that last patch. Glad to see it's still happening.
>>1868004>does it even make sense to produce smaller caliber guns?20mm howitzers (and AT guns) were recently given the same movement type as infantry making it so that they can be used as mountain artillery. Might be useful on worlds with lots of mountains where you can't afford to spam roads everywhere but i think they'll probably become obsolete the moment you get long range artillery like rocket artillery.It's also worth keeping in mind that there is a calibre modifier which modifies attack values by up to -90% like so: Weapon mm / Armor mm. And for ranged attacks the Weapon mm is divided by 3 so a 60mm howitzer has full effectiveness against up to 20mm of armor.Here is a list of Armor mm values for infantry armor:-Envirosuit counts as 0mm-Padded Armor counts as 20mm-Combat Armor counts as 40mm-Adv. Combat Armor counts as 60mm-Battledress counts as 80mm-Adv. Battledress counts as 100mmThis means that against infantry with padded armor a 20mm howitzer gets a -67% modifier to it's attack.You can read more on this in the manual under calibre modifier.I usually start off by making 105mm howitzer which i then upgrade to 150mm later on, i feel like this gives a good balance between ammo cost and firepower.
>>1868104I had seen some high tradition scores before but this is the first time i am incapable of moving the needle at all.>>1867850I tried it btw and it didn't work, it raised the CAS by 8 from the colonists i dropped in, and then it started ticking down by 1 point every turn.I have the cultural integrator fate card on the govenor and the first cultural adjustment bonus from Mind, idk what else i can really do but try to get the second bonus from Mind and see if it helps.
>>1868307>I tried it btw and it didn't work, it raised the CAS by 8 from the colonists i dropped in, and then it started ticking down by 1 point every turn.Interesting. I guess the only recourse is to suck it dry through recruitment. Once it gets small enough you could try dumping recruits/colonists on it again.
>>1868526>I guess the only recourse is to suck it dry through recruitment.Except, that's just the problem anon, it doesn't work. People won't sign up as recruit or colonist if cultural adaptation is 0, even if you offer them absurd amounts of money for doing it. I think Vic fucked up by letting Guardians tradition score be insurmountably high.
>>1868307>it raised the CAS by 8 from the colonists i dropped in, and then it started ticking down by 1 point every turn.did tradition change? i wonder if tradition > 100 is the problem
>>1868620>did tradition change?Nope, it was 132 before and after i dropped the colonists in.>i wonder if tradition > 100 is the problemI dont know the exact breakpoint, i've converted tradition levels 100-115 before, but 132 is the highest number i've ever seen.
>>1868587>People won't sign up as recruit or colonist if cultural adaptation is 0, even if you offer them absurd amounts of money for doing it.There's no basis for this in reality, colonial soldiers signed up for peanuts compared to the magic space dollars they get in SE and most of them would have had a CAS of 0Vic >:(
>>1867479I ran into a major who used their air force effectively against me. It didnt help that I never discovered AA guns and my fighters only had a range of 6 hexes.
i really hope Vic doesnt go full autism on the politics bullshit i really dont care about that crap paraslop games with VN mods exist for that audience, i just want a cool 4X wargame on another planet with decent diplomacy and empire building.
What killed this game was Pewdiepies stream. It was pretty much the great hope among strategy gamers as the future of the genre, but once he streamed it and picked apart the AI, the mechanics and found all the bugs everybody just lost interest.Not a fan of pewds myself, but he has a following and they got a permanent hate boner for this game ever since, once they filtered out into the greater gaming universe that hate boner spread like wildfire.Sad.
>>1868990I think you're in the wrong thread, when the fuck did PewDiePie ever play Shadow Empire?
>>1867685depends on your profile. if your autocratic + fist then yeah roll em' early as possible, but a merit + mind would rather turtle and tech race
>>1869000A few years ago?
>>1869125bro what
>>1868990that being said, at least we got the Seinfeld portraits mod out of it
>>1869351event card mod*
>>1868972AI uses Air Force effectively now? Nice. I always ignored AA so I could focus on tanks.
>>1868876False. Try bribing the talisman they will just take your money and continue fighting you. Cultural adaptation is more important than money.
>>1869801*Taliban
>>1868990>>1869351Brother, you should take your meds
>>1869799Yeah their airstrikes could kill a full battalion of light tanks in one turn and they constantly bombed my cities before I researched fighters. It was annoying as hell but made sense since my research was way behind because I was playing on hard.
>>1869799Yeah, AI air is actually deadly as hell and can bomb your positions and armour to hell
>>1870995They'll also nuke you every turn if you don't win before they get that tech
>>1868587Would forcing people into free cities through cards and unrest and then rezoning those free cities into zones with your culture work? Completely unintuitive and would probably take forever but it’s the only thing I could think of to retain those pops.
>>1871353>forcing people into free cities through cards?
>>1864064>>1864069yeah I briefly looked at the DLC and it felt fairly lackluster if you're not gonna have control of anything, no sea units or monster or whatever else could be funheck, it could've been just a little bit inspired by SMAC and its water buildingbut anyway, good to know I was right to skip it
>>1868990If it only it wasn't so buck broken, then it wouldn't have had to suffer such a reputation to start with.
>>1868990Nah. Logistic and rng events kill it. Cards mechanics also terrible solution for wargame.
>>1874510Nobody cares what you think, sub-room temp iq troglodytes. Go back to hoi 4 or whatever moba trash your puny smoothbrain can grasp. You will never know the joy of fighting multi front wars stretching 1000s of kms against slavers, marauders, and aliens while the ai is actually giving you a run for your money and attacking where you least expect. All this is procedural and different every game meaning practically infinite replability but that all doesnt resonate with your thick Neanderthal skull because you couldn’t figure out how to upgrade a truck station and place a supply base. Oh let’s not forget rng how dare I be presented with a challenge I can’t immediately know the best meta to counter it with. Yes cards are so terrible, if only there were big shiny buttons that say BOOM BOOM FLASH BAD GUYS maybe then your primitive simian brain would be able to engaged.
>>1874464You mean the reputation of single handily saving a dying genre bloated by slop and crappy sequels? You mean 1 guy practically dunking on million dollar studios?
>>1875239not him but what kill it for me is silly scale and that its essentially repainted ww2 '''sim'''what do i mean silly scale?that it is essentially a toyota war fought with population size of mongolia(3-4 mln) fought in postapoc ruin size of the usa, the idea of fronts in this case is fucking sillyplus of course backward mechanics and unnecessary bloat
>>1875273>that it is essentially a toyota war fought with population size of mongolia(3-4 mln) fought in postapoc ruin size of the usaThe AI is really really good at destroying its own manpower and if they have nukes they're even better at destroying yoursThere are no diplomatic repercussions for nuking 2 million to death because lol and there's no defense against it either because lol
>>1875273You must be playing the game wrong, having just a half dozen cities will easily give you million population and 100s of thousands of soldiers. Each hex is 200km, so these are entire planets being fought over by different size armies. Not really sure what your getting at with the scale thing, remember this is after the dissolution war, where the whole planets population nuked its self practically back to the Stone Age with only a few million surviving. It’s more akin to African warlords fighting with varying degrees of tech and manpower over a planet 3x the size of Africa.
>>1875246It's the enormous expectations that people have put on it. It has some very innovative ideas that shake up the standard 4x formula, but the game is rough and flawed. It doesn't mean it's a failure or that you shouldn't play it, of course. The problem is that retards on this board will trash anything that isn't a perfect 10/10 groundbreaking but also old-school game that will never actually exist. I like the game very much, even though I see its flaws, and hope that eventually it's best ideas will be implemented in a newer, even better game by a studio with more resources (or by Vic himself with a bigger budget).
>>1875239Cope harder retard.
>>1875273>>1875645>B-b-but I need my realistic Civ VI scale where my units can fly half the map to smack some spear barbs with their awesome rockets!
>>1875673>cope harder retard>plays Horse Estrogen IV for tranny Himmler vs tranny Beria visual novelsLmao
>>1875673seethe harder, simpleton. Sorry that peanut rattling around in that tin can of yours got filtered by SE
>>1875668Every game has its flaws, so that’s kind of a moot expectation. The key for any game is replay value. Each planet has its own unique set of challenges and you never really know what you’re up against so there is no universal “meta”. That along with everything being procedural, requires constant adaptation and changing of strategy each play through. That’s why people love it. Each and every play through is like a box of chocolates. Don’t even get me started on multiplayer.
>>1876037Absolutely. My biggest problem with this game personally, is that I don't have enough time to play it as much as I want. Used to alt+tab it at work, but switched jobs and it's no longer an option
>>1875760Nice projections retard.Can you cope even more harder?
>>1876265I agree it requires a massive amount of time. I hope Vic changes the pace so it’s more combat and less economy and micromanaging.
>>1877080I kinda enjoy the management and economic side of the game. What I'd change is the repetitive events that pop up each turn. More variety or adaptability to tech/population progress would be better
>>1879371>I kinda enjoy the management and economic side of the game. What I'd change is the repetitive events that pop up each turn. More variety or adaptability to tech/population progress would be betterI agree. The war fundamentals are strong (except icbms and lack of missile defense tech in the far future and that Staff Council probably deserves its own major revamp), it's the rest of the game that needs fleshing out.
hey guys i dont understad how recon works, especially tactical recon,i ve read the manual btw.so if i successfully send a spy to a regime itll bump up my recon by a fixed amount i dont remeber like 20 or 40, but thats a one time thing, then they dont really give any ongoing benefits anymore, but after a threashold of spies in a regime you unlock certain decisions you can make.for recon on enemy unit tiles aka tactical recon i know it depends on your units recon score but idk if you just need them to be adjacent or you need to attack or do something else, and it stacks up all the recon from your units and every turn it goes up by that amountand how does recon impact combat?
>>1864055i would ike to have actual boat units instead of mth, will this ever come to the game?
>>1882306DLC after next will have player rafts equipped with .50 cals.
i spawned in a desert completely open on 3 sides and a mountain line on the 3rd, surrounded by 3 minors and 1 major all aggressive, all 4 declared war on me I'm at turn 20 or something.I'm spamming out independent MG battalions and holding out, luckily they actually didnt push and there have been just some light skirmishes, managed to dissuade ome the minors by keeping threatening encirclement with my motorized militia and they fucked off, on the opposite side I managed to encircle and destroy an enemy motor battalion, but the nigger has another one with militia tanks, idk why but they didnt commit to the war they just sat there and occasionally attacked me.I've got on metal mine that got online recently and I put a Lvl5 genius junior I just got at the model design, so nice I just need to survive until I get light tanks and hope for the best, the problem is I got 5 pop happiness, rebels and unrest all the time, pop loss, so my assets are undermanned and produce less, but I cant remove the low pop happiness bc the danger keeps fucking it up and I'm unable to push out too much, I need to maintain this smaller perimeter.my metal mine is also on the border the perimeter so if I lose it I'm done.even if I hold out the root problem remains, I'm in the open in an indefensible position with low resources surrounded by hostiles that have their productive core far away so I'd need a big ass penetration and long logi lines to destroy their capabilitiesstarted with tech level3 only militia unclassified planet
>>1882443
Anyone know a good youtube series to learn this ? Seems right up my alley
>>1882810Battlemode has several playthroughs. His most recent one is on the current version but is on hard mode with a hard planet. Dastactic has an up to date playthrough but doesn’t really know how some of the mechanics work.
>>1882819>DastacticHe is nearly unbearable to watch, he never shuts up.
>>1882443right now I'm undermanned, as you can see my south front is almost empty, that's bc I wasnt at war with them until one turn ago so I put all my units on the active fronts, I knew I was exposed on the south but it was better than getting my lines penned, now I've got to shit out other MG battalions and make a good perimeter, problem is happiness will never go back up because danger will stay high and I dont have a way to push them back, is there any profile or stratagem I can use to fix this?I'm going for autocracy, enforcement, meritocracy
>>1882292I actually want to know more about this as well, so if someone better can answerthough I can tell you, recon depends a lot on the units, just being there works but attacking with recon also gives more points, and now you have air units which gives even more tactical recon for the turn>how does it impactwell for one it will give you visibility of the units and amount, which is quite important since on some terrain, they can get fog of war even if you know there is someone there, which will trigger a ambush when you try moving your unitsI do think the more recon you have improves how your attack plays out, but no clue on the specifics
wtf is going on?i have enough food and logi points yet my troops arent receiving it
>>1883064>i have enough food because there is a non-zero value showing on the left hand panelRun the mouse over that food number and take a peek at the tooltip, champ. We're all counting on you.
>>1883073I'll be doing that nigger but if my stores are going up it should mean im producing more than im consuming, anyway I nationalized the dome farm but the fags then started starving so I give emergency food hope they build a new private farm, I'm new so idk how I could've done it better
>>1883100>if my stores are going up it should mean im producing more than im consumingYou really need to read that tooltip and understand how production and storage works>produce 500 food on previous turn>have 500 food in storage>send 500 food to cities (1000 food required)>produce 550 food this turn>have 550 food in storage next turn (1000 required)>amount in storage went up by 50! A surplus!
>>1883102so cities need 1000 food regardless of their population?
>>1883105Yes. That's yet another reason that merging cities is good.
>>1883105Yeah and you can only produce either 500 or 550 food per turn. I'm not sure why Vic coded it this way.
>>1883108>>1883110the fuck?
>>1883110hard cap of 550 food regardless of anything? like if I have 999999 some farms it's still 550?I might have fucked up then by nationalizing the farm
>>1883064anyway regarding my game, it's become pretty based, my state is a authoritarian regime 80 autocracy(but I'm a good authoritarian leader so it's still ok to live there), high enforcement, which for lore reasons make sense, were a single town in a huge desert surrounded by 4 hostile regimes in a state of permanent war and a fuckton % of my population is serving in the army or militia in order to man a fucking enormous frontline to prevent enemies from penetrating and destroying our production assets which are our lifeblood, bc without them the war machine stops working, and if it does even for a few turns by the time I've built it back up my units will have collapsed due to not receiving ammo.my population is fanatical about war and fighting for the state, but not everyone agrees and I've often had high unrest due to worker protests and panic due to enemies getting close to our city, and alot of people fled fucking up my economy due to lack of workers, but with time I pushed back the frontline and people are coming back, and happiness is going up, problem is I went up 1 civ level so now the fags are acting spoiled and arent happy about QoL anymore.I'm constantly bashing protestors and killing guys innacity.and 35% of my population is employed by the state in farming, mining or factories, it's basically a giga total war state with fanatical cult of war population molded by its environment
>>1883123my cabinet is made up of some decent guys, a couple very good ones and the usual faction slop they ask you to hire or bad junior rolls that will stay there forever stealing their salary.I've got economic, military, model design, staff, interior councils, and dont want to get anymore for now, my military and model design guys are super good, I research mil tech in 2/3 turns, and get super good model designed in 2 turns, I now have 2 metal mines, light industry lvl2, solar panels and some scavenging, ammo factory, I've always been low on metal and IP bc I've been building alot but from now on I'll be bulking up my stocks.my plan is to shit out more MG battalions to complete my perimeter, I've upgraded them with high speed mg and padded suit, and use them as a barrier and anvil, then make a smaller number of more expensive unit models that I've researched (25mm buggies and 50mm armor 60mm hi speed gun light tanks) to go balls to the wall against enemy units trying to attack my lines, flank/encircle them and then come in.Ideally I'd like to have my mg battalions as an OHQ formation for the combat bonus for now I dont have any TOE that allows for this, i will have to modify one in the future, where I have mainly MG with some rpg to counter armor, but I've never done any TOE customization so idk.ideally I'd give them organic arty but given the absurd size of my army I can't afford the production and ammo costs given my prod capabilities, so I'll limit myself to having motorized arty and maybe AT guns and shift them around in the hottest parts of the front where the enemy spear head is, while the front line guards are able to hold. then use my mobile armor kampfgruppe to encircle and reduce
>>1882292>>1882886Read this:>>1867682>When the attacking side has low recon on the tile it is attacking the defending units get a boost to their hitpoints of up to 300%, the attacking side gains recon as the battle goes on which reduces this bonus to 0 once you hit 400 reconAlso for the retards getting trolled about how food works: cities don't need food, pops and workers do. 1 food feeds 100 pops or workers, pops are usually able to feed themselves by building private farms and those farms give you a small cut of their production. >>1883118>I might have fucked up then by nationalizing the farmYes you have my shadow nigger, not because food production is limited to 550 (obviously not true moron) but because that farm now has to feed both your pops and your workers assuming you've ordered the zone governor to allow giving food to hungry pops.Build your own farm next time or buy food from traders. The only things you ever want to nationalize are truck stations and mines.
>nationalizing farmwhy?now you not only need to supply your population with free food but also pay farm workers
>>1883146well that was like 3 or 4 turns ago so I might save scum, I'm liking this game a lot, the whole struggle for survival and actually managing to do it (for now at least)>>1883151bc I'm a noob and i tought I didnt have enough food prod but I'll probably go back 3 or 4 saves and fix that
>>1883146Can you go the opposite way, privatize assets?I saw a card that you can gift asset to a cabinet member but any other way?
>>1883248no you cant from the ui, anyway i went back to the turn i had bought the farm and restarted from there, I slowly phased out my militia as they sucked but were a logistical drain, and substituted them with other mg battalions, started phasing in the new mg batt model with hispeed mg and padded, also raised 4 rpg batt to send where the fight is harder, I research models for arty, AT guns etc but I can't afford to build even 1 batt, I barely manage to feed everyone and supply ammo, I'm stretched thin, but for now I'm holding against the occasional attacks, I've got 10 GR monitor tanks but they require my entire cunts energy production for 1 round of combat, I've now gotten GR quad mg hope they can actually be used, built ammo factory, ah yes I have 0 fuel so mech shit is impossible, I barely afforded to make 2 buggy batt with my upgraded model to use as offensive units where it's needed
>>1883253Ever since the ammo update MGs aren't worth using in the early game. The reason why you don't have enough ammo is because your MGs, especially high speed MGs, are wasting it all. Infantry brigades are cheap and will hold the line and eventually will be able to push out by themselves once you get combat armor.
ngl the fact that the ocean dlc DOESNT have navies gotta be the stupidest thing i've seen in a game
>>1883610yes it sucks that it's got MTH instead of actual navies, I dont know if he's commented on it but I hope they'll be added
>>1883610I can only imagine Vic wanted navies but gave up. I wonder what stopped him from making units that moved on water rather than land.
>>1883765>>1883635>>1883610he stated Oceania was more of a “buy me a coffee” while he continues working in future updates high do plan to include naval units.
>>1884410nice shitone thing I'd change is that the staff design council sucks dick, because unlocking new models is much less useful when I cant raise good OHQ formations but only independent ones for a long time until I make the council then discover enough OOBs (if you only discover a couple you cant even operationalize them) then operationalize them then customize them, it doesnt make sense as a mechanic because it's just a fucking TOE, alright make me create the council but that's it, honestly I think it could do without entirely and just let you customize formations, for example I wanted to have defensive poorfag brigades (I'm the desertfag from the posts above) with MGs and rpg batallions and bonus from OHQ and I cant make them and need to have them separately which is damaging to their performance bc no OHQ bonus + cant use postures such as defence which I very much need + I've got stacked counters vs just one which bugs me since I'm using them monolitchally anyway, is there some way to write to the dev about it?
>>1884617ah yes and the discovery is also random so if you get some useless shit you need to completely redo it and use more custom points
>>1884617>>1884620At the very least it should give the player the option of what OOB is discovered next, even if it’s limited to infantry, motorized, mechanized and armor. The way it’s abstracted now is like the director is locked up in his office and comes out after 6 months of deliberation with a crayon depiction of a motorcycle brigade when the state urgently needs RPGs embedded with its infantry.
>>1884951exactlyanyway one "problem" of this game is the time required to play, and in fond myself sucked in playing until 4am and fucking up my sleep
>>1884617agreeits one of prime example of 'how to make dumb system that is also not fun'everything about formations and units design is fucking retarded in this game
Does the AI have the same start as me ? like if choose tech 3 or tech 4? also when i choose starting army and regions
>>1885199Yes unless you pick the nemesis option.
>>1885182Unit design is one of the few reasons I play this game. The stat differences aren't that much but having a stellar model design director making marginally better infantry activates my monkey brain.
>>1884617Just email him, he usually responds. vic@VRdesigns.NET
>>1886419I will thanks
I can make this game, but better.What engine is this? What engine/language should I use instead?
>>1886459you should already know if you're talking like that
>>1886459A better one evidently
thread on life support
Changelist 1.26j2 (#215)DANGER RELATED-Added 33 variations for Danger events *-Including 19 new Vidcom graphics (this is a further experiment towards introducing more vidcom variety and moving towards a complete overhaul of all Vidcom graphics with core 1.4 release (planned with Republica DLC in 2025)) *-Added new danger event that only triggers on high Zone Culture score *-Added some secondary skill bonuses for Danger events (these give their absolute skill level as a bonus (note not their skill family level))*-Many of these Danger variants only trigger under specific conditions and will make the difficulty level higher than the regular events, also they tend to make the casualty levels quite a bit higher. Luckily they should not occur that often. *-Security Danger events now gets roll bonus from security score + troops in city *-Health Danger events now get roll bonus from health score *-(Low) Culture Danger events now get roll bonus from education score *-Extra difficulty can be added under specific conditions (fear,unrest) but only likely on higher difficulty levels *-Some moderate possibility that Danger events now also generate some Unrest *-Enforcement >40 makes mitigating Danger Events easier. *
>>1892977OTHER-Fixed GR Chaingun Tech, it now no longer affects energy MGs. *-Fixed GR Phantasmagora Buggy, it now no longer has its AP modifier capped. *-Fixed aircraft no longer benefiting from GR Chaingun Tech. *-Fixed delegated Mining Asset not turning up in Mining Overview.-Fixed resettlement proposal decision to now impact reg-reg relation level.*-Cloning Facility % increase now from 1% to 0.5%. *-When you upgrade an Asset it now keeps its previous damage if it has any.-Private Mines should now mothball when they run out of mineable reserves and startup again when new reserves are available.-Can only play 1 Posture on a HQ each round now. *-Arachnids less present on Planets (-33%) *-You now have access to the trooptype statistics of other Major regimes at recon level 30 or higher.-Also Regime Recon gets Spies 2 as extra recon if not more >=8 zones within the enemy. If >=6 zones2.5, If >=4 zones 3, if more >=2 zones4, if only 1 zone 6spies. This means it is easier to get Regime Recon if the enemy regime has less Zones.*=requires new game start
>>1892977>Including 19 new Vidcom graphics (this is a further experiment towards introducing more vidcom variety and moving towards a complete overhaul of all Vidcom graphics with core 1.4 releasehow do these look? do they still have SOVL?
>>1893000Here's one of them.They can be found in steamapps -> common -> Shadow Empire -> graphics -> shadow -> complex1
>>1893437doesnt look like the old onesno sovl
>>1893437what is even going on here, an edgy school shooter?
Why shouldn't I nationalize everything
>>1892977Is there a way to combat existing danger besides waiting?
>>1894443No, but having heart above 40 will reduce it's negative effects and above 80 i'm pretty sure the negative effects get reduced to 0 just like with autocracy and fear.
>>1894112It makea da people unhappy :(
>>1894112If you nationalize food production facilities they will just keep making more.Beyond that, there's no reason to not nationalize everything. Except oil production, I have plenty so they can keep it.
>>1894112Farms/ice/oil you don't really have to fuck with since you get a shitton anyways and you get free money. Metal mines and logistics you should nationalize tho
