Is it really gonna still be called Europa Universalis V in this current political climate? I think something less eurocentric would be better...
>>1869122christ that's fugly
>>1869127its made by jews, what do you exepect
Amazing thread, thank you for your posting effort, this is the best thread of /vst/ right now
>>1869122I agree and particularly because Europa Universalis has done well to move away from being so Eurocentric. It is a shame to undermine the efforts of modern conscientious developers by clinging onto the name of some board game made decades ago by a bunch of racist white men who did not even include most non-European nations as playable.
>>1869137well said, if you don't mind, can I make a post using your text on reddit?
>>1869122It's clearly not going to be called Europa Univeralis V.It's going to be Mundus Universalis V or something like that. Wich is why it has no name yet.
>>1869133did they really think that making beelines to nearest settlements was better than being muh unrealistic and making big blob provinces
>>1869140thats still using latin which is a white language, bigot
>>1869143>Meds are not white>Meds are whiteMske up your mind, mutts.
>>1869147meds are blue and you should be taking them schizo
Magna Mundi.
>>1869149>meds are blueOther way around.
Moderators, can we purge this thread? The main poster is a known neo-nazi replying to themselves, and they're being sarcastic towards antiracists. The implications are obvious and I don't think harbouring these kinds of people and opinions will do well for an ad revenue based website.
>>1869122victoria and crusader kings are also eurocentric retard>>1869127it's not finished retard>>1869133antisemitism is retarded>>1869140it has no name because it wasn't even announced yet retard
The fact which nobody wants to talk about is that Paradox Interactive has a white male problem. Too many of its fans are white males and too many of its developers are white males and it IS causing the space to become an alt-right echo chamber which desperately needs minority voices to be heard.This is a major issue holding the strategy genre back. The level of cultural insensitivity in some Paradox games is absolutely unbelievable. It's the type of stuff which would make your racist grandpa blush. For games which claim to be historical, they sure do ignore most of world history. Nowhere is the story of BIPoC women told. Nowhere is the history of LGBTQA struggles told. Nowhere do they mention the true cost and untold damage of colonial exploitation. What is told is white men white men white men and how many resources white men get from pillaging the rest of the world.That said, I would be remiss to not mention that improvements have been made. Comparing Victoria 3 to Victoria 2 is like comparing John Wayne movies to The Hateful 8 and institutionalized racism and sexism are parts of history that we can not and should not ignore but we can make strides in showing the cost of these biases and create mechanics which reward playing in a progressive human minded way and punish regressive bigoted thinking, which Victoria 3 does do but not enough.While these games are based in history and should tell the truth of that history without whitewashing and covering over the dirty parts they are also about alternative history and letting us play out how we would have done things differently and how the world could have been as one then instead of still fighting for it now. If Paradox told these stories instead of just glorifying militant white men then they would be doing their small part in that struggle.
>>1869159>antisemitism is retarded
>>1869164Where the fuck did you copypaste this bullshit from?
>>1869171using chatgpt
>>1869133it's made by g*rmanics which is close but not the same thing
>>1869171Consider that maybe, just maybe, there are postive empowering voices even on 4Chan? This place certainly needs more of them.Strategy games should be for everyone. There is no good reason why minorities should be pushed out of the space by being alienated because of who they are just to appeal to alt-right gamers who really do not need even more echo chambers to help them poison their minds.
>>1869164post of the day
>>1869173chatgpt doesn't read like that
>>18691644/10, too heavy. Bait has to be more subtle.
>>1869164The myth of the white playertariat...
>>1869276Calling something bait does not refute it.
>>1869328If you actually believe the word diarrhea you typed out I'm very sorry for you.If this is in fact unironic, you are absolutely the worst kind of joyless retard and the kind of person to be shot first in the event of any kind of revolution, from communist to right-wing.
The concept of Europe as a distinct entity will soon be replaced by EMEA
>>1869122I Went To Universitylis
>>1869122>Is it really gonna still be called Europa UniversalisYes, it's called branding.
>>1869122Kyiv Unyiverslyivs
>>1869175-berg names = jews, /tv/ said so
>>1869122That's a lot of quirky religions in NA
>>1869122i am always annoyed by paradox not making up their mind on thisis the game eurocentric? if it is that's cool focus on that and stop trying to make others playable with a massive penalty for no god given reason (the end nodes trade system for example is the dumbest shit ever)
>>1869122>can't put shamanism in africa because muh racism
>>1869137
>>1869177>Consider that maybe, just maybe, there are postive empowering voices even on 4Chan?
>>1869122I think the games made by paradox are not eurocentric and realistic enough. Arabs,africans and muslims in general should be seen as enemy nations that are unplayable. They only exist as an obstactle to the player on his road to glory. Like NPCs.
>>1874504What mod
>>1869147Romans were white. Modern meds are middle eastern mutts. Hope that clears things up
>>1874504"The Great Reset" Mod. Not released yet.
>>1874758cope, italy's genetic makeup has hardly changed since roman times
>>1874881even ignoring the last few decades, you are genuinely deluded if you think this
>>1870225sexy bitch
>>1874911Look at Roman mosaics nigga
>>1874911>Who needs actual data, when you can just think about things on your ownShort for post-cold war immigration, Italian genetic mark-up is virtually the same since fucking Greek colonisation, especially if we plan to use Lazio region. And the only reason why we can't check deeper is that prior cultures were burning their dead.You dense fuck.
>>1874925>Nips draw themselves as white in all their art, doesn't matter the time period>While drawing every other Far East Asians as yellowReally makes you think
>>1874881lmao keep telling yourself that after the german Bvlls ravaged italian women for centuries in the north and arab conquerors in the south
>>1875008there have been genetic studies done, retard
>>1875008>raped italian women for centuriesNever happened and goths and lombards both women and men are part of the italian identity and dna anyway
>>1874881>>1874925>>1875019The only genetic "studies" you see published either: a) are interpreted to fit the globohomo narrative, or b) are obviously done in a way that the outcome will fit the narrative>Muh mosaicsYeah it's called "tanning". Notice how nearly every elite depiction of a female (who would not be spending literally every moment of her spare time in the sun) is milk white? Not to mention almost every contemporary depiction of gods and heroes are pale and light eyed. Also, video games. Also, video games, Even ass creed Odyssey shows this in the art they forgot to brownify when they shit skinned the game prior to release
>>1875110>globohomo narrativeYou're the one claiming that because Arabs momentarily held Sicily and shit, that means Italians aren't white.
>>1875111Don't put words in my mouth homie. That's how women argue. The Arab shit is just the cherry on top. The Romans mutted themselves into oblivion during the imperial period through hundreds of years of immigration from Syria and north Africa. Also, the larger portion of Italians and Greeks are still white, but you can clearly, visually tell the ones that are like 80% nafri-semite hybrids
>>1875111Please, anon, the polite term is “part eggplant”
>>1875110southern euros coping always makes me laugh
>>1875146it's not a southern euro, it's probably a 20% german 10% irish 20% anglo 20% west african etc etc amerimutt
>>1869122Are those tibetan mountain passes? Holy bloat
>>1869122>welcome to Universala Inclusiona>every country plays the exact same>you can create trade company vassals in Europe and steer goods to India>Animist is just as powerful as Catholic, in some ways even more so>please ignore that black pops and indian are just european character models with dark skin>what do you mean where's the slavery good? We removed it>what do you mean where's the human sacrifice? What do you mean Africa and America are famous for it? What do you mean it was the defining point of Aztec culture?>you can start colonies in the Americas and Australia but it's much easier just to trade with the natives, especially with their 40K stack armies>India is a monolithic stable Empire that... wait that's just EUIVI fully expect every country to be flavourless and identical.
>>1875689I never tried to play historical Britain in EU4. Can you even control all of India by 1820?
>>1869122Europa is too problematic, it will be Africa Universalis
>>1875882You can control the entire world by 1550.
>>1869122Obviously, why the fuck would they give up on the brand recognition? That's an instant boost in revenue
>>1875882Most of India was vassals.
>>1881072IDK maybe these little things like INTEGRITY or having a CONSCIENCE or this crazy thing called MORALS?
>>1881272
>>1869177>4Chansubtle, but sublime.
>>1881277EU 4 was released over a DECADE ago. If anything, that is a small price to pay for a product so well supported and evolving as EU 4 is. How much would it have costed to buy every CoD game over that period? How much would a WoW subscription have costed? The fact that they offer a huge 40% discount without even a sale is generous.
>>1869164I am LITERALLY clapping and nodding inclusively at my screen right now, thank you SO MUCH for speaking up!
>>1869122I refuse to believe anyone even plays any country outside of Europe or its immediate surroundings.
>>1882791you'd be correct. Only ones that "do" are redditors afraid of the big bad word "slavery" and were screeching in the tinto talks thread about how not to partake in slavery even if their nation gets nerfed.
>>1882791Most Paradox games clarify that Africa has no worthwhile content to pursue. EU4? Only meme paths and natives. Victoria? Wait for westernization if 2, and be a wholesome chungus in 3. HOI4? Lol. India is rarely played, but it has a huge ass population and everyone wants to colonize it, so there's a purpose to it. South America is often empty, but it has the potential to build up into something interesting that'll make you oppose other major powers. But Africa has neither of these things, it exists solely to be someone's bitch or for a youtube video where meme magic turns some western african shithole into a superpower with billion GDP.If Paradox wants to make me seriously care for this continent, they should finally remake East vs West game and let you play as African warlords, because that's genuinely interesting and doesn't resemble traditional nation state gameplay we're so used to.
>>1882791everything outside Europe and East Asia basically exists to get rolled over by Europe or East Asia in the first third of the game. No ifs or buts.
>>1882791I really like playing in the middle east and north africa, because I have an orientalistic fascination with arab/islamic culture. But that counts as the immediate proximity of Europe so you're right.
>>1882791I most enjoy playing West African, Southeast Asian, and Chinese tags. The other regions don't much interest me. >EU4? Only meme paths and natives.Origins changed that. It's locked behind a lot of mission reading, but the tags there have decent mechanics now, and a player can do some interesting things there. It just doesn't come with fuckhuge numbers in 1444 like Europe, so it gets glossed over.
>>1882985partially meant for >>1882826
>>1882826africa is really important in eu4 the ability to direct ivory coast trade is massive and, while less than india, it still has ample development particularly since every minor turns their capital into a 25 dev provinceterritories aren't worth shit for their tax and manpower the trade is what makes them powerful but unless you've conquered the ottomans and mamluks, at which point nothing matters anymore, indian trade is difficult to bring home without control of africaif you offered me a choice between india and africa in eu4 i would always pick india because of this
>>1882997Ivory coast is really important if you want to bring indian trade home, yeah, but past that you don't really need anything else from there except for maybe horn of Africa since Indian trade could get redirected there and through the Ottomans. No one is going to stop the trade at the cape and the entire interior past the coastal provinces is useless.With India you're at least in an interesting spot politically and can salvage some fun if you try, even though it's not a run I'd force myself to do.
>>1882997>every minor turns their capital into a 25 dev provinceDevelopment was a mistake
>>1882791>I refuse to believeYour problem.Europe is fucking BORING.
>>1882997>africa is really important in eu4 the ability to direct ivory coast trade is massive and, while less than india, it still has ample development particularly since every minor turns their capital into a 25 dev provinceWhen has this ever happened?
>>1883057It's quite literally the most fun place to play in the game because Europe is the most fleshed out region. Everything else is just a novelty designed to keep things interesting so you don't blow your brains out. You can't tell me you'd rather sit on your ass in America for 200 years because that's how long it takes Europeans to show up in force and pointlessly blob over uncolonized land until you establish native American Wakanda or fuck up and get wiped off the map in seconds.
>>1869122>6 different religions for native north americans>all of south america is animist, including the incasEU4 does it better.
>>1883093I think this map is out of date. a previous dev diary had the west africa religion map and it was filled with various shades of unga bunga
>>1881272I know you're joking but this is how a lot of people think unironically, and we have to share a planet with them.
>>1883093anon, how are they going to sell you 9000 DLCs if they just include all mechanics from the get go like they should? You're literally asking PDX to go bankrupt for no reason
>>1883091>late game power house tech family>spends most of the early game colonizing>and getting all the tech early>and all the bonuses from ages>all the mechanics meant to make maintaining a blob difficult get guttedGod, shut the fuck up, blobber. Being overpowered and map paining is fucking boring.
>>1883132Yes, hello, imbecile newfag.
>>1883136>plays a map painting game>doesn't map paintthat's like playing victoria 3 because you want a good warfare system
>>1883388Yeah? Is that why Paradox kept trying to introduce mechanics that make map painting more difficult? And then gutting them? And features that are NOT map painting?
>>1883388NTA, but Victoria 3 MP is literally unplayable because of absolutely dogshit warfare. I can make my friends play vanilla HOI4 or EU4 with me, but they'll only touch Vicky 3 with mods, and even then, games die quickly. It doesn't help that half the nations lack meaningful flavour, or because people want to fight over colonial possessions and have to use the horrible naval system.
>>1883431Yeah and they made it by trying to gaslight the audience into believing there were no wars or irl map painting in the 19th century and ended up with a giant unfixable mess with magical communism. They need to just stick to map painting.
>>1883590I was talking about EU4, not V3, you seething retard. What the fuck did you think "Estates' was meant to accomplish?
>>1875689>what do you mean where's the slavery good? We removed it>what do you mean where's the human sacrifice? What do you mean Africa and America are famous for it? What do you mean it was the defining point of Aztec culture?Btw you got btfo by the latest DD(You)
>>1883654To give you more buttons to press while waiting for claim fabrication and AE to go down. GSGs are primarily about map painting and to deny that is insane, but Paradox sure is trying.
>>1883091>It's quite literally the most fun place to play in the game because Europe is the most fleshed out region. It's only fun in MP. In SP, it's a slog.>You can't tell me you'd rather sit on your ass in America for 200 years because that's how long it takes Europeans to show up in forceI played a North American OPM a month ago. It took like, 40-50 years for Britain to show up, and 10 years more for us to reform and have a war. >>1883388EU4 is more than just map painting.
>>1883688I sat and watched for literal years as every single anti-blobbing mechanic Stellaris tried to introduce was gutted and made irrelevant. And I blame shitstains like you for Paradox's lack of ability and courage to put their fucking foot down on the matter. Good thing you're no longer fucking relevant as a demographic.
>>1883749Actually, that's not true. I blame MPfaggots, too. God forbid you have a moment of weakness someone can take advantage of.
>>1883750Problem is that if you have a moment of weakness in these games then your game is over because you will likely never recover unless you're already so powerful that getting curbstomped once and losing several provinces, manpower and money isn't a big deal. Losing is a death spiral unless you actually play in MP and have rules about death wars and game ruining.
>>1883744>EU4 is more than just map painting.lmao
>>1884113And? Fuck off with that shit. I don't remember the Netherlands crying, because the Fourth Anglo-Dutch war game ruined them. Or Spanish Empire getting flushed down the toilet. Or France. Or Poland. Or Portugal. Or Sweden.Death spirals and game ruining are completely historical. It's not a "problem" at all, except to whiny faggots.
>>1884113only in like a 1v1if you play proper mp and someone is getting too big and raping a player to death then the other players should gang up on them, which is basically how history workedthere needs to be a balance of powerof course this only applies to good lobbies where everyone plays near each other and not "i'm playing singleplayer in asia while you play as italy, maya, and sweden" lobbiesi've seen comebacks and turnarounds in lobbies plenty of times and eu4 has many different avenues to expand and escapeno truce breaking, at least before 1700, is the only rule you need
>>1882997>africa is really important in eu4 the ability to direct ivory coast trade is massive and, while less than india, it still has ample development particularly since every minor turns their capital into a 25 dev provinceAt the end of the day, it#s just a fancy way to say empty land devoid of flavor that exist to get rolled over by Europe
>>1869122This is obviously bait, but I'll engage as if you were being serious.I guess it is a bit Euro-centric in the context of the modern game, but the game was based off of a French board game of the same name where only European nations were playable, so the name made perfect sense. There isn't anything offensive about the name (Of course the implication is colonialism, which is a bad thing, but the name itself is perfectly fine.) but they obviously wouldn't have picked it if it weren't already the established name of the previous games. At any rate, I always thought the name was kind of meh because it's in Latin and doesn't make sense to most people. Regardless, it would be a bad idea to change the name. If they were to change it, a name like, I don't know, "Emperor's Game" or "Global Frontier" or something along those lines would make more sense simply because the scope of the game goes beyond Europe, but there really isn't any reason to change the name.>>1869133Can somebody kill my retarded chud son, he keeps posting this shit and it's annoying as fuck
>>1884492Losing isn't fun to 99% of people. I don't think I'd have fun getting fucking curbstomped by the Ottomans for the 10th time as the Byzantines. Is that historical? Yes. Is is enjoyable from a gameplay standpoint? No, not really, I don't think anyone would sign on for that willingly.>>1884499>if you play proper mp and someone is getting too big and raping a player to death then the other players should gang up on themThat's how rules against game ruining work, yes. Exactly what I said.Comebacks CAN happen, but it's highly unlikely you'll pull it off in singleplayer because there is no reasoning to be done with the AI. In multiplayer the diplo can change at any time, so handing over a few provinces in a war you know can't be won isn't a big deal.
>>1884579>Losing isn't fun to 99% of people. I don't think I'd have fun getting fucking curbstomped by the Ottomans for the 10th time as the Byzantines. Is that historical? Yes. Is is enjoyable from a gameplay standpoint? No, not really, I don't think anyone would sign on for that willingly.Why do you feel entitled to win?
>>1884603Because it's a fucking singleplayer game and I'm playing to have fun? There is no fun to be had while stuck in a death spiral of constantly eating shit.If I can't win and thus have fun then I'd rather just not waste my time.
>>1884625Git gud, then.
>>1884113>Problem is that if you have a moment of weakness in these games then your game is overOnly in multiplayer, which doesn't matter.
Who the fuck is actually going to buy EU5? I haven't even played EU4 yet, I'm having plenty of fun with EU3. Imagine if video gayme companies didn't release new DLC-walled versions of dogshit constantly to make people CONSOOM with 100000 disjointed mechanics.
>>1884679>Imagine if video gayme companies didn't release new DLC-walled versions of dogshit constantly to make people CONSOOM with 100000 disjointed mechanicsEU3 wasn't THAT bad
>>1884579>That's how rules against game ruining work, yes. Exactly what I said.players going>hmm france is a bit too powerful they are going to blob england unless we interveneis not rules it's just diplomacy ie the entire reason to play multiplayer
>>1884579>Comebacks CAN happen, but it's highly unlikely you'll pull it off in singleplayer because there is no reasoning to be done with the AI.Bruh people conquer the world as Lucca singleplayer is easy af you just suck. The AI never trucebreaks you can just go invade somewhere else.
>>1884679>Who the fuck is actually going to buy EU5?Me>I haven't even played EU4 yet, I'm having plenty of fun with EU3.You missed the boat on eu4, it was fun for the first couple years but it was ran thoroughly into the ground and it’s insanely bloated now. Haven’t touched it in years, and newer games like Imperator ruined ability to get back into it.
>>1883139>durr i was only pretending to be retarded n-newfag
>>1869122MEDIEVAL SODDINGCOMMUNISM
>>1869164This is one of the most important video in the strategygame and 4x games community ever created. I've never seen someone who created an essay to reflect how we use and how we play pseudohistorical strategy games and who we consume these kind of games. It's reminds me of American history lesson. Some Americans told me one that they learn more about the different, most important battles and only the superficial framework of historical events. In player autocracy, we have a similar problem . We want the superficial entertainment. Economic crises and elections that disrupt our playflow of the game or our control are annoying for someone who wants the full controll and power. Now we come to highly philosophical questions, Since we are also a product of culture, are we humans inherently power-hungry beings who live out this habitus in such games? Perhaps players who play primarily autocratically have little control and power in RL, while players who "roleplay" and make "bad" "historical" decisions do not rely on this power. Another interesting question would be what player autocracy does to us players. Can we transfer such perspectives and behavior into RL? So are we just living out our own power fantasies in these games? Or is there more to it? This could be an interesting topic for a BA-Thesis. I would read it.
>>1869164I really hate Greeks, Greece shouldn't exist, Greeks didn't even exist as a unified people groups until the late 1800s, and only through horrible acts of violence, where lapping European faggots invented it out of thin air. The simple fact is that Greece was better off being rulled by the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, Macedonian Empire, etc. The only time that this place was ever historically relevant was when it was being dominated by other ethnic groups. Greece is a spiritually, physically, emotionally defunct nation that deserves to me excised from the planet and given to more SOVLful ethnic groups such as the Turks. This is true for numerous other Balkan "ethnicities" that only exist as a result of western European imperialists seeking to weaken the glorious and virtuous Ottoman and Austrian Empires by schizophrenically constructing ethnic groups which don't exist. (What I have said is also true for Serbs, Slovenian, and most certainly Hungarians)
>>1869164I'm becoming racist because of Black Ops 6. Basically I've been playing Zombie mode since it came out.And I noticed that those who choose the black character almost never revive their teammates who are down.The ones who revive the most are those who take the white character or the latina girl.This is crazy stuff, right ?
>>1869164Yesterday I had a conversation with a white American on a gun discord who went to Poland to sneak drugs and he talked about Polish people like they're Ethiopians in the 90s.>this is Europe, but not Europe Europe. It's like, Eastern Europe. These people would suck a dog's dick for 3 dollars>a bunch of women hit on me but I have empathy, which is the ability of putting yourself on someone else's shoes. And if I were a smoking hot blonde in Eastern Europe, I'd seduce men and then steal their shit>I made sure to hide a little tip everywhere I went, but didn't stay for the reactions because good people don't do good for a rewardThis isn't even the case for modern day Ethiopians. They have tech industries and stuff like that nowadays. But he talked like a tip of 10 dollars would be life changing for a pole.Worst part is, man was clearly not a rich American. Not even a middle class American. He's just a working class white Texan who got sent to Poland to sneak drugs because he's white, for some Mexican (probably) who is way richer than he'll ever be.I didn't even tell him I'm Brazilian. If that's what someone thinks of Poland, what would American and European normies think of a country like Brazil? It's so embarrassing. Wish I could change my nationality but my family didn't keep the records, so I can't get an Italian citizenship.
>>1869164I imagine myself in Europe, leading my Platoon. Our mission is to stop wh*Te dogs from advancing. We mow down wh*Te dogs but they keep coming. I shoot wh*Te dogs but I run out of ammo so I draw my sword and begin slaughtering wh*Tes, since wh*Tes are way more psychially inferior to me, I slay them by dozens. Then I get shot, but I didn't fall, I kept fighting. Then shot again and again. wh*Tes were shooting me from a distance like the cowards they are. I lie down, facing up to sky and I see KARA BOĞA (Tengri) smiling at me, I smile back… Then I woke up, in africa, my homeland. My BLACK brethen gave me a warm welcome to heaven. I finally made it, I finally made it into heaven..
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