>look up Hearts of Iron IV playthroughs on youtube>look for ones, which start in 1945, the Endsieg/Goetterdaemmerung startdate>every single one ... without exception ALWAYS makes a last stand around Berlin or even worse around Schleswig-Holstein, to win the war by spamming AA and maintenance companies.This is ridiculous. This is like advertising a secret Nazi Zombie Occult Holdout on the moon, but then instead the Nazis end up in Caribbean and on Haiti and run voodoo/magic shops there to fund their movement. If you want to have Germany make this epic last stand, why not Norway or the Alpenfortress? Why not do exactly what delusional paranoid allied leaders feared Germany would do? Dig in the Alpes? Why make a last stand at the German endpoint of the flat European plain in the North? Why? Why why, I am crying, why do they always do this? This is so lame.
>playing>looking at>ACKNOWLEDHING HEARTS OF SLOP EEVlol, lmao
based flak 8,8cmsBased pioneers using superior Aryan engineering to repair and improve inferior allied 'war'machinesbased North German warriors never surrendering while the south 'german' (Actually Slavs) kneel to their eastern brethren
>>1869314Try playing games instead of giving money to random children online to play them for you you little freak
>>1869314Because if you try to do that you'll end up capitulating from them taking too many victory points.
>>1869314The game mechanics require you to defend your core territory or you die. Simple as.
>>1869314It’s the only possible way of winning with the Germans in Seelow Heights which I’m sure will get patched out again.
>>1869314>If you want to have Germany make this epic last stand, why not Norway or the Alpenfortress?because at that point the german reich ceased to exist, and so did any point in continued fight. Btw berlin was defended by literal children because there were no soldiers or munitions left>This is ridiculous.there is no realistic scenario where germany wins ww2 if everything went well for them. Nukes were originally designed as a tool for buckbreaking germans. If the UK gave up and germs were given full control of continental europe, berlin and hamburg would be wiped off the map instead of nagasaki and hiroshima. Probably a few cities more since germans would definitely be reluctant to give up everything they already acquired.The ridiculous part is you thinking there is any way of germany winning ww2 other than exploiting the shit out of the game's retarded unrealistic mechanics>Why not do exactly what delusional paranoid allied leaders feared Germany would do? Dig in the Alpes?oh noo muh isolated impenetrable fortress in the mountains with no means to supply itself when surrounded... Noo what will we do when the enemy is gathered in one place and unable to strike back in any way... That would be HELL and a TOTAL ALLY HUMILIATION and a TOTAL GROBGERMANIUM VICTORY
>>1869314>look up Hearts of Iron IV playthroughs on youtubeI found the problem.
>>1871742hey sperg he's talking about fun let's play last(do you know what last means) stand scenarios in a videogame not how germany could have won the war
>>1869314Hoi3 faggot reporting in.I wish hoi3 had a 1945 scenario. Latest is the June 1944 scenario. Far too easy to win by wiping out D-Day, then retaking all of Italy, all while retreating and reorganizing on the Eastern front, even on very hard. German forces represented are way too powerful for 1944, they fucked that one up completely. The only thing that prevents going on the immediate offensive on the Eastern front is the supply. So you have to let the Russians advance all the way to Berlin and then begin slicing and dicing them.
>>1872241>hey sperg he's talking about watching retards playing it YouTube and bitching about how they do itI don't know where to begin with such asinine stupidity.
>>1872268what? that was news to you? you didn't even read the op before shitting out your sperg rant?why oh why are we cursed with such cancerous faggotry
>>1872270I'm not the guy you think I am lol. I just think OP is a stupid faggot, outclassed only by you. Imagine white knighting for a shit OP lol. Kill yourself.
>>1872277>hurr durr kysyou have to be 18, etc.
>>1872241Alliedfags are actual bots, don't bother.
>>1872280Says the guy advocating for watching HOI4 let's plays on youtube. Go back
>>1871742The funniest part of that quote for me is how expressive Mussolini's face was, so imagining what his expression would have been whilst "completely disoriented"
>>1872486stop trying to save face by making up stuff about what i said. just stop being cancer and you'll never be in the position you are now
>>1871742Even Hitler considered Himmler a schizo. Makes you wonder just how deranged Himmler was.
>>1872601He was digging up Germanic mud huts to prove his pseudoesoteric religious and race theories while Hitler was seething because the Romans were building aqueducts at the time
>>1872602>looked like a mongoloid mutt, almost like hirohito>thought he was a medieval knight>tried to use westaboo esotericism to justify being le white ubermensch>killed himselfWas Himmler the original 4channer?
>>1872540>no you can't reiterate my own position back to me, it makes me look stupidthat's not my fault now is it you fucking retard?
>>1872604The parts of 4chan that migrated from stormfront at least
>>1872604>dreams of being a soldier>is a weak blind lanky faggot and told to fuck off by everyone>gets to carry the prussian flag in the failed coup
>>1872535kek that must have been a sight to behold
>>1871742>that moment when you realize your most important ally is just a crazy asshole
>>1869314I like to play as the USSR in DH’s “downfall” scenario and imagine my Slavic untermenschen hordes raping and impregnating the fertile wombs of German women. Vgh.
>>1871742>there is no realistic scenario where germany wins ww2 if everything went well for them.There is an extremely easy and realistic scenario where Germany wins ww2, it's called churchill doesn't get in power so Britain accepts the offer from Germany to give back the entirety of western Europe as long as they agree to not support the soviets, you know, the offer that was quietly swept under the rug after the deciding vote, churchill, voted no, because it would've been terrible for morale since the British and French thought they were fighting a war for survival when there was an offer that would've given everything back without a single drop of blood. The offer that everyone on every side of the how could Germany win ww2 argument ignores for some reason, curious.
>>1872950>go to war with someone because he's broken like 11 treaties and promises in a row>dude he's offering us this totally sweet peace deal, we should take itYou really are stupid aren't you. Don't forget that prior to the war Hitler had cooked up a number of plans to try and match the Royal Navy and any attempt at peace was almost certainly to buy time. And that's simply ignoring that leaving most of Europe to be run by a bunch of retards isn't really doing anyone any favours other than the natsoc dipshits 80 years later who worship a bunch of corrupt leftist mediocrities
>>1872952Aside from the fact that before the offers he had done nothing but speak fondly of Britain and its people? What, exactly, does Germany stand to gain by abandoning the entirety of western Europe? Allowing the French resistance fighters to reman the factories and recruit more people to fortify the maginot line with the full might of the British army and airforce with no surprise option left through the lowlands? With the navies including shipping being left completely unmolested? >Bro he just wanted us to let our guard down by throwing away every single advantage he gained by taking us off guard so he could take us off guard again by somehow invading the isles with the non existent German navy from a worse position that is also completely unsupported by air unless he reinvades the now heavily defended France and only then is he back in the same position he was except in a worse position because of all the losses he would sustain against the ussr bro it's 400d chess you don't understand????????????????
>>1872959First off, find where he ever actually offered any legitimate peace terms to Britain. He didn't, all he did was give a speech where he said "we should stop fighting" which means fucking nothing. Second, you would have to be a complete and utter fucking retard (you) to think you could trust the words of Hitler on literally anything ever. Chamberlain himself said that any treaty with Hitler would just be a second Munich agreement 2 years after the first one. Third, there's genuine reasons, ideological and practical, as to why Britain had no interest in letting Hitler control all of continental Europe and chose to fight rather than surrender. Fourth, this wasn't just Churchill's idea. He may have been the leading voice but many of the votes and meetings on the issue were unanimous decisions with the various dominions all agreeing to fight Hitler to the very end. Fifth, it's telling you stupid you are that you can't conceive him talking up and making friends with someone just so he could maneuver into a better position to stab them in the back once he was ready to do so when that's literally exactly what he did to the Soviets.You acting like Hitler was this magnanimous gentleman and Britain was driven to ruin by Churchill alone out of spite or something is beyond delusional and so incredibly simplified and biased it beggers belief.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_British_war_cabinet_crisisMaybe educate yourself on how complicated a subject it was, but also how it's not anything like you're portraying it. http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1940/1940-07-22a.htmlMaybe read Halifax's speech here and realize that it was his idea to sue for peace to begin with and yet he's shitting all over Hitler for being a duplicitous asshole
>>1872950US would nuke germany into submission you silly little wehraboo. Nukes were originally planned to hit hamburg and berlin. There is no realistic scenario where germany would win ww2.
>>1871742>muh nukesearly nukes needed to be dropped by planes. Germany had the first jet fighers. If things went well for Germany, mutts wouldn't be able to even get within 100km of europe to nuke.
>>1871742>Germany is the most schizo axis countries>One of the strongest armies, especially pound per poundAre hoi4 alt hist paths that give retardedly high bonuses realistic and should I watch out for Argentina irl?
>>1873138The Allies had air parity pretty early on and absolute air supremecy before the war was out. Bomber Harris would have reduced Germany to ash if his own people hadn't stopped him, you think the late war US with B29s and nukes was gonna be stopped?>but muh jetsHahahaha. Not a single German wonder weapon could change the fact that the western allies had far more men, far far greater industry, far far far far far more fuel and natural resources and basically infinite time to chose their methods of German destruction.
>>1873138mutts would absolutely literally swim over and launch strategic bombers from *somewhere* in range, possibly even from british airstrips. Keep in mind german jet fighter experiments were very expensive and happened only because allies already had air superiority over the luftwaffe. What makes you think US, with infinitely more resources and possibilities would, would just keel over and die? I'd rather bet US jet-based strategic bombers nuke hamburg, berlin, and munich in this alt history scenario. Germany could never have won ww2, they just couldn't fight the whole world and keep control over massive swaths of territories that constantly revolt. German idea of winning ww2 was based on ridiculous overextension (babby's first strategic mistake) and all the planets in the galaxy aligning just right for them lmao
>>1873100>First off, find where he ever actually offered any legitimate peace terms to Britain. He didn't, all he did was give a speech where he said "we should stop fighting" which means fucking nothing.There are various speeches in 39, 40, 41, and 42, as well as various actual offers of peace recorded by works such as "The Hitler-Hess Deception" which states that he made no less than 16 official offers of peace and one of said offers that I have been mentioning was detailed in a 1943 American Mercury edition also known as "The Inside Story of the Hess Flight,">>1873123So the united states would declare war on a Germany that had peaced out with the allies while giving them terms that were equal to a return to the status quo just to drop atomic bombs on civilian cities? At least try to pretend like the united states aren't the bad guys.
>>1873414>There are various speeches in 39, 40, 41, and 42, as well as various actual offers of peace recorded by works such asSo a bunch of meaningless speeches from a guy famous for making speeches where he says he isn't going to do a thing right before he does it.>according to this random piece of propaganda there were official peace offerslol. So when I google to find it guess what I get? You don't know cuz you never have. You find a list of speeches and not much else. Wow, it's literally nothing. And you still haven't addressed the entire text of my post because you can't. You are literally, and I do mean literally, saying that a known liar and conman who has back stabbed everyone including Britain, multiple times already should be trusted not to do it again. You are a fool and a retard plain and simple. Should read less garbage by Pat Buchanan and actually apply your own brain to the issue
>>1873414>slaughtering millions of civilians for no good reason is bad when Americans do it to Germans but not when Germans do to Europe and RussiaI unironically support the genocide of every werhaboo and natsoc on the planet
>>1869314Our glorious fuhrer suicides if you loose Berlin, He must be saved at all costs
>>1873448>lol. So when I google to find it guess what I get? You don't know cuz you never haveI just looked it up and found both those texts he mentioned. I don't know why you all act so schizophrenic about WWII. It's almost guaranteed no one alive then is browsing this board.
>>1873495Post em then faggot
>>1873495>both those 16 offerslol
>>1873414>So the united states would declare war on a Germany that had peaced out with the alliesit really takes a wehraboo to not know it was the germans who declared war by sinking US ships and convoys in the atlantic ocean, when japan attacked in the pacific. Basically US was forced to teach the morphine addicts some manners
>>1873511But Germany was sinking (practically) American ships (and viceversa) since earlier though. Hitler didn't declare war for no reason. It allowed his uboats to go all out and stop American shipments to the UK (and by extension the Soviet Union). Unfortunately Japan wasn't doing much to cover the Bering strait, so that was kind of useless.
>>1873540>Hitler didn't declare war for no reasonthe reason was he thought he could also fight the US or at least intimidate them because he was a delusional retard.
>>1872950>There is an extremely easy and realistic scenario where Germany wins ww2, it's called -- Hitler accepting Pétain's offer to have France willingly join the Axis, instead of being butthurt about WW1 and preferring good relationship with Spain over doubling the Axis' industry and army overnight.
>>1873162>>1873250>if everything went well for themlearn to read dumb nigger jews
>>1873547Why did he want to fight the US in the first place, though? If, as you as say, he was an unreliable fellow who didn't follow any treaty or alliance, he would have simply left the Japanese to America if it wasn't in his interests and moved on. To deny the very real strategic reasons behind the conflict is stupid. In addition, Hitler was very conscious of America's power (unlike Mussolini who underestimated her), considering the US overall an economically and racially enviable country and even a model. But, even so, he still somewhat underestimated its real capabilities. Truly the cheat code of nations.
>>1873614>if he won he coulda wonwhat a meaningless statement
>>1873641>why did a famously insane and megalomaniacal man do a stupid thing?I'm not the one worshipping him so I'm not the one who needs to justify his tic tac toe as 5d chess.
>>1873649>Hitler was both an insane megalomaniac who stumbled into war with the US and the devious diplomat who finessed most of Europe before WW2There are 2 possible reasons for your resentment here: you are a mutt mad that your shithole is minority white(1) or an Eastern European (white negro)(2).
>>1873649Also, tic tac toe also has tactics and strategy, not sure it's a good metaphor in this case.
>>1873658>tactics and strategy in a solved game for childrenlol. Definitely a werhaboo
>>1873661If it's a "solved game" there are by definitions tactics and strategy to win it. Hardly a good comparison to a supposedly irrational man. Your inability to make metaphors makes it clear you're a mutt.
>>1873657>>1873657I never said he was a mastermind finessing shit. He's a conman, full of himself, who successfully played a number of marks for fools and was surprised when they caught on quicker than he expected and were more pissed than he understood. Full of a certain cunning and skill, but hardly a super genius at diplomacy or warfare.>stumbled into warHere's a question then. If he's an honourable ally who mainly declared war on America in solidarity with Japan despite not really needing to, then what's stopping him from also declaring war on the British that he had just made peace with when the Japanese attack them? To remain consistent he would have no other choice>you're seething cuz you're brownSeethe more kraut, my country and my family tree is whiter than yours.
>>1873664Fuck you're dumb lol. And even if there was strategy (lol) it's still far more simple than chess, especially the proverbial 5d chess. My analogy stands notwithstanding your single digit IQ.
>>1873666No, it never stood. Irrational people (as you implied) don't have any strategy, while tick tack toe, as simple as it is, does. Irrationality and small amount of necessary rationality are two different domains, completely Incomparable. Goalpost movement btw.
>>1873665>I never said he was a mastermind finessing shit. He's a conman, full of himself,Lol>Full of a certain cunning and skill, but hardly a super genius at diplomacy or warfareConcession accepted.>If he's an honourable ally who mainly declared war on America in solidarity with Japan despite not really needing toYou can't read, my point is exactly the opposite, that it was useful to do so regardless of allegiances. You're the one who made him declare war on America out of obligation (ie for no reason). In so far as your question goes, Hitler wasn't particularly stoked about anti-colonialism. As long as Britain accepts the new continental state of affairs (or even better gets closer to Germany) there is hardly a reason for war. Not like Germany could navally invade it anyway.>Seethe more kraut, my country and my family tree is whiter than yoursYou're actively delusional at this point. Your country is minority white, your neighbors are dog-eating Haitians and your grandchildren will most likely be mixed. Also, not a kraut.
Germany selflessly fought against the Western imperialists for the freedom of all European peoples, and brought order to a Europe tormented by the despotism of mafia-like warlords. But the British greedily saw this as a threat to business interests in Europe, and gave huge sums of aid and military support to said warlords. Germany was forced to make war with the U.K., already a de facto belligerent by proxy.The German soldiers fought with unparalleled valor, yet always chivalrously, always fairly. The British, on the other hand, fought with scornful negligence of the principles of just and legitimate warfare, massacring hundreds of thousands of innocent German civilians in a ruthless campaign of terror bombings and, most atrociously, deploying the fire bombs over Hamburg and Dresden, a barbaric form of warfare alien to the very spirit of German culture and morality.Perhaps the sad truth is that the world is to malicious a place for a country like Germany. If she would only have condescended to the same filthy kind of warfare that the British and the Russians waged, it is possible, even likely, that she would have prevailed.In the light of history, Germany is the greatest victim of WWII.
>>1873692I know this is bait but subconsciously it angers me because I know there are G*rms that genuinely believe this.The second paragraph is like 50% true however, Eternal Anglos (and Eternal Muttoids by extension) were fucked in the head with some of the shit they pulled (Laconia) and still maintained they're objectively superior and morally clean.
>>1873668>irrational people have no strategyJeffrey Dahmer had a strategy, you're just using words in whatever way you want without actually saying anything.
>>1873673That's a really long way to just say you have no fucking point, no argument and no clue.
>>1873614>if all enemies shot themselves in the head germany could've won!!!!!can't really argue with that
>>1873641>If, as you as say, he was an unreliable fellow who didn't follow any treaty or alliancehe LITERALLY broke one agreement after another, even fucking ribbentrop-molotov, hitler was huffing copium along with goring all the time. The logic was, he defeated so many countries already, UK is on the brink of defeat, soviets are on the brink of defeat, axis controls nearly half of africa, and hirohito's sending nothing but "we got this dude". Of course he would declare war on the US. He was on a mystical march to victory in a war of gods
>>1873692>>1873696Wrong and wrong. The victim of WWII and WWI is the European. The winner is everyone else. This why I don´t partake in these retarded discussions of who´s the good side. The one European fighting against his own interest vs the other European fighting against his own interest. Dumb and unnecessary when you see how Berlin,London,Paris and Washington look nowadays.
>>1871742I've always wondered what the source for this passage is, though it is still funny to imagine. You know how many fake quotes are out there
>>1881078Doesn't really matter because it's about 8th hand information at that point, it's a quote of a historian quoting a historian who theoretically is quoting the thoughts of people who died almost a century ago. I doubt that a primary source exists.
>>1869314Have you ever heard of victory points?
>>1872922Ironic considering what an "ally" shitaly was.
>>1873414>declaring war on a Germany that peaced out with the allies while giving them terms that were equal to a return to the status quo just to drop atomic bombs on civilian cities
>>1873696>I know this is bait but subconsciously it angers me because I know there are G*rms that genuinely believe this.Not just germans retard. The whole world knows that Hitler was right, outside of people brainwashed by western plutocrats
>>1885657>all the browns and blacks know he was right except for the only western nations that mattercurious argument
>>1885799>china doesn't matteruhok
>>1872950There's literally no realistic scenario where Germany defeats the USSR.
>>1885657>The whole world knows that Hitler was right, outside of people brainwashed by western plutocratsdang your whole fortnite crew???? Even Justin?????
>20th thread about onions 4>it’s a thread about let’s plays This board is a joke lmao
>>1885953>Germany conquerors Iran or gets turkey to do it>the only viable year-round all-weather route is closed>45% of lend lease doesn't get to sovietsLets see soviets make an offensive without trucks. or the majority of their planes and locomotives because they wasted them because they happened to have all of them sitting by the border because they were planning to invade Germany first but German spies caught them which is the real reason Hitler invaded them back when he did.
>>1885893>can't readlol try again retard
>>1885953This is cope. Germany could have and probably would have defeated the Soviets without allied intervention. Honestly the Soviets were the one major combatant at the greatest danger from Germany as the entire front was virtually nothing but land and air combat whereas the rest of the major combatants were across an ocean from Germany and beyond their reach.
>>1886199>they were planning to invade Germany first but German spies caught them which is the real reason Hitler invaded them back when he didtotally dude. If stalin hadnt put some tanks and trucks on the border, hitler would never attack the USSR. The anti-comintern pact? You're delusional, take him to the infirmary. Never happened. Wooden doors.
>>1886245>Wooden doorsThis but unironically
>>1886199>let's see the soviets win without trucks for offensives!most of the soviet war dead are from retarded pointless assaultsthings would've been touch-and-go without 100% of lend lease sure but a loss of just 45% is a tough sell for a german-victory scenario - it might just as well make the soviets more docile for their own goodalso the soviets had no plan of invasion for Germany except in the case of Germany attacking first. If the Soviets had any intention of attacking, at least in the short term (i.e. an actual plan and not a counterattack drawn up by zhukov in an hour), Stalin wouldn't have sat and watched as Germany gathered its entire army for operation barbarossa.
>>1871742It always baffles me that people thibk Mussolini was the crazy partner in the Axis and not Hitler.And that people don't know Stalin and Mao were ten times more crazy and cruel than those two combined.
