We're going all in, folks.https://files.catbox.moe/uq883w.pdf - Brazil-Argentina war design doc.https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal. Years of work flushed down the toilet for less gameplay and no wars.https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - US rework proposal archive. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Almost two years in dev hell, still no release date.
>transhearted mugsides status: gone
>Screenshot surface of Brazil's lead promising the update in Q2 as we enter Q4.>In what's become a new form of Devspeak, SilverImperator says that the South Atlantic War "isn't canon" and therefore won't matter, in case you had hype left to lose.>TNO has reassigned most of their contribs to work on the fabled map rework.>Vanilla HOI4 confirmed to get Fuehrer succession dynamics before TNO (rework still isn't anywhere near complete after several years).>TFO dropped several teasers; almost no content unique to an Axis victory and lots of OTL-ism in Africa.>Local TFO dev informs /vst/ that the initial release will only have US content (in the Axis victory mod).>Thread unanimously declares Big Weld to be Big Corn as screenshots show him declaring his hatred for proxy wars and Guangdong.>TNO devs once again confirm that most Middle Eastern wars are being deleted.>An anon claims that Turkey is getting a 2 year content demo; local anons are largely indifferent, "nothingburger if true">Another dev anon claims that all independent Quebec content is being removed from Canada. Deemed "plausible and very boring" by /vst/.>TFR released, found to contain actual gameplay.>/tno/ cracks the 1000+ comment mark.MOD SHOUT-OUTSBecause we've had no news so far this month here are a few mods to try out while TNO remains hard at work deleting all of its content.Pride and Fall: The Last Days of Poland - Several /vst/ anons have found this mod to be very kino saying that it feels like a more memey TNO Russia. Map: https://files.catbox.moe/ltq7qi.pngRed Dusk - Came out recently and proved that you can have a narratively rewarding cold war mod with actual wars involving super powers. Likely to get Italy content out before TNO's reworks.The Fire Rises - Newly released modern day mod full of wars and schizo leaders.
Reworks goodWars bad
Why is Germany calling?
Miss her yet?
this is a positive threadno more complainingi will not post unless i have something nice to say
OK, I'll start.TFR is fun and I'm glad to see devniggers seethe.
>>1877645i dont really like the images for the focus trees of TFR, for the rest it's a fun mod
>>1877645Here's something if you like fun
post ashley feet
>>1877484>troon that started it all"no"And I don't miss Panzer either. This whole mod was a fucking mistake from the start.
>see some old tno recs on youtube>mars landing superevent>gone because haha lolo>mod has only lost content in four yearsfuck you niggerdevspride and fall picked up your load of shit and turned it into gold
bros, please tell me we'll never become like the TFRchuddies. we'll retain our moral integrity, right?
>TNO devs make a fanfic about Joe Biden falling into dementia where he thinks it's 1992 to attack him from the left all good>TFR make a fanfic about Joe Biden falling into dementia where he becomes an insane dictator to attack him from the rightTERRIBLE MOD!
>>1878117Don't worry, /tno/ is and will remain Pride and Fall's strongest Heavy Slingshot.
>>1878197The only thing Big Deal has over American Caligula Biden is that Goodbye Stranger is a really good song.
>>1878197>TODO
>>1877005>>1877227>>1877260>TNO devnigger finds a placeholder in TFR>proceeds to try to force it into becoming a meme across multiple threads>when his own mod is in a death spiral of obsessive content cutsThis is just like when the TNO devnigger from a few threads ago tried to shit on Red Dusk for having "no mechanics and no loc" and kept getting mogged by people that actually played that mod. The TNO devnigger simply cannot even comprehend the works of devaryans and can only feebly make the most embarrassing strawmen arguments to smear them.
>>1878331after all, we have to wait for Brasil'z loc too lmao
>>1878331shadilay lolo get ownd
>>1878339at least it will release without any missing
The worst thing TNO did was making ziggers and retarded ESLkiddies believe that they need to make muh funny aesthetic UI for a mod instead of something actually fun to playJust look at TFR and TOTA and see the self parody in the extremes
>>1878346>next year
>>1878350Incredibly wrongheaded post, you would've been fine if you just said TFR but adding TotA in means you don't actually care about le esls
>>1878359What? TOTA is ESLjankd as fuck
>>1878360Pretty sure it wasn't made by le ESLs
>>1878362Could've fooled me
>>1877459Bakeranon what do you think of these three mods? Did you play all of them yet.
ODF Teaser
>>1878506PaF: Haven't played but it looks fun. An anon requested that I gave them a shout-out but I didn't want to single them out. I really like its light-hearted tone and I think it's fun that it made this thread randomly become pro-Polish.RD: Played it, it's really fun. I wish TNO would take cues from it when making international conflicts and proxy wars instead of having this straitjacket of requiring everything has to be a .5% adjustment in taxes or nuclear war with no middle ground.TFR: Haven't played much but it's really fun. It gave me a strong feeling of old TNO where the world's very fun, active and full of surprises and intriguing concepts. Like TNO I expect them to iron out their early release blemishes and I look forward to see what they update next!>>1878534>GCW mentionedPlace your bets: will this be reworked when the GCW is deleted, or is this another of those where the GCW conveniently doesn't matter at all? Interesting that you can have a major power just invade the claimed territories of an opposing military alliance without any consequences but maybe this is another of those non-canon wars. At least we're getting a Vicky 3 style war without units as a compensation for all the ones they're deleting? Yay?
>>1878552
>>1878553>the civil war of THE major power in this scenario has no real impact
>>1878553Thanks for confirming that the removal of the GCW is only relevant when someone on the Reich team wants to delete everything in a tag like Mosk and Ostland but conveniently doesn't matter at all in other cases and that a mostly functional Germany undergoing a crisis will just shrug its shoulders as its territories are invaded without provocation.
Why do people like RD anywayI played it and pretty sure I left halfway through because it was so bad
>>1878555It has no impact because the civil war is getting removed so it would make no sense to make content for it just to remove it later because the lore no longer applies.If that were the case you'd still complain.
>>1878559the point would be that all prior content was made with the civil war in mind but despite it being changed the narrative dosent, which screams odd to me ngl
>>1878557Modern day scenario that's decently made and has lots of fun conflicts to engage in and the mechanics are straightforward and not overbearing.>>1878559Maybe you're starting to see the downsides of reworking everything from scratch over and over again for several years? It seems to really mess with your lore when you need to handwave away things like this. While we're at it: why is it possible to handwave away the German civil war as completely irrelevant here and not in all those tags you reworked from scratch? Surely you could've kept the MCW instead of deleting everything in the tag and started over? After all, it doesn't make sense to spend years making all that content only to remove it because the lore no longer applies.
>>1878564>Modern day scenario that's decently made and has lots of fun conflicts to engage in and the mechanics are straightforward and not overbearing.I tried as the Soviets and it was very underwhelmingMaybe I should do Iraq
>>1878562>>1878564You're not getting it. New content is being made with the reworked lore in mind, so that when the reworks come, the only thing that needs to be done is a few loc changes.
>>1878569this dosent make any sense still, why did they post something that has not been reworked then? why did they post something which still had the pre rework narrative? and if this dosent matter it just reinforces my earlier point that the civil war really just dosent matter
>>1878571Because the ODF update will come earlier than the German rework? It would make less sense if it referenced the Kampfzeit when it isn't yet in the mod.
>>1878565I liked the Soviets but to each their own. Iraq's pretty neat too it seems like the fan favorite so far.>>1878569No you're not getting it, we're pointing out that you're very inconsistent about when the lore does and doesn't matter and this is a result of your team reworking things from scratch countless time. This was clearly written with the GCW in mind because the OFN invading German territory over crisis #5823 in the Nazi bureaucracy and Germany then not caring at all contradicts a lot of other in-game and in-development content.
>>1878565Oh it's also so ESLOh well, I'll give it a try
>>1878559See:>>1878556
>>1878575Germany is still incommunicated with the rest of its territories during the Kampfzeit, that's why it can't respond to the invasion.
>>1878580So they literally don't notice that they're being invaded and can't contact Washington about said invasion because of a government crisis at home? What?
>>1878584More like they can't send help because the chain of command is disrupted during the power struggle. They still will launch an invasion to reclaim their lost territories and more after they sort their things out at home.
I can't believe the chuds are winning with TFR.. TNO was supposed to beat back the tide and show the audience that chudism is a hateful ideology.. we're losing
>>1878587OK, so no one in Germany minds that they're being invaded and won't pick up the phone to Washington to demand that they leave their territory, and when the counter-invasion happens no one in America cares that American troops are dying because it isn't convenient, but in any other instance (that isn't difficult to cut out of the mod like a malignant tumor on the body of realism like the SAW) nukes would fly.Makes perfect sense to me and all of this totally isn't a side-effect of the lore falling apart from you reworking everything from scratch dozens of times.
>>1878574and my point STILL remains, so the german civil war still dosent matter at all? they just need to change some names in events and that's it? come on man
>>1878595Does anyone actually LIKE the German Civil War? It's far more interesting to have the civil war play out in events, like the Communist China civil war if the radicalists win in Kaiserreich.
>>1878597You're changing the subject, you weaselly fuck.
>>1878593This happens at the same time as the South African War. America is already at war with the Reich in this case. And it's not that they don't care, they can't do nothing about it because the bureaucracy is in chaos and the army is on standby for fear of a civil war.>>1878595Why would it matter? It's being removed.
>>1878590>>1878597sameofaggottilose the weird writing style and you'll be more likely to get someone
>>1878601So this lore falls apart the moment the SAW gets cut for arbitrary realism reasons.
>>1878604The good thing is that's not happening.
>>1878597yes i do... it makes Europe a lot more interesting
>>1878606Just like how Burgundy being cut isn't happening? Just like Atlantropa going away wasn't happening until it did? Fuck off.
>>1878601They can't pick up a phone and tell America and its cronies to stop invading them and no one in Germany stops to consider putting aside their differences because a hostile military alliance is invading them? And the same rules somehow apply to America who are experiencing none of this when the counter-invasion happens?>>1878604It's already fallen apart. He's just trying to justify a bunch of contradictions that are the result of endless reworks making it impossible to have consistent lore.>>1878614Don't forget cutting the NPP!
>>1878552I disagree my fellow Baker. I feel Red Dusk doesn't really hit the mark narrative wise. It is very politically loaded for what it actually offers. I think being politically loaded is fine mind you if the content is very enjoyable, but Red Dusk needs more work in mechs and loc. Still a good foundation though. TFR is good but inconsistent I think the big final european war is poorly done and theres stuff missing. I am not a super fan of schizoposting but it is a pretty decent foundation to work upwards.tldr its good setup but we have to see what they do with it. Theres promise and things worth criticizing. 7/10 to both.Also the Antartica thing is hilarious its obvious reich dev doesn't have control over it because they would never let germany be raped for no reason like that. Stupid ass lore
>>1878614We had proof of those months, even years in the case of Burgundy, before they happened. >They can't pick up a phone and tell America and its cronies to stop invading themAgain, it's technically an OFN operation within the South African war, in which Germany is technically the aggressor. Plus America doesn't lead the invasion, read the news event again.
>>1878618the biggest problem i have with red dusk is how OP countries are. America and the USSR can just... pump out wathever shit they like at wathever rate, it's ridiculous and it kills any kind of challenge. even on Yugo at the start it's somewhat challenging but when you get your tree for the economy it's piss easy.
>>1878618I agree with you. I like both mods, but both need work to reach their potential.>>1878619>America is independent from the military alliance it leads
>>1878620I just booted it up because of this thread and got hit with flavorless thirdietalk so I quit right away
>>1878350>muh funny aesthetic UI for a mod instead of something actually fun to playTFR is fun to play thoughbeit.
>why would it matter>the army is in standby for God's sake do you see how stupid this is? it's railroaded in a way that sure the civil war CANNOT HAPPEN but everything around Germany itself explodes. TWR does it much better because there the civil war CAN happen but it dosent necessarily, in that case it makes a lot more sense for the army to standby. in TNO it's supposedly more stable so the army should be able to kill partisans a lot easier... but no i guess we need to railroad it to death (and also make it more boring)
>>1878623I mean, on paper the OFN is an alliance of equals.
>>1878625too little loc to be enjoyable imo
>>1878626also continuing with this, if the civil war dosent happen, and everything is back to normal yay. why dosent Germany just flood SA with a lot more of its military? the civil war didnt hit their military apparatus so it's not going to be a problem, same for antartica, there's NO WAY a civil war not happening changes so little
>>1878631>too little loc to be enjoyablehave you considered playing visual novels
>>1878631The loc doesn't affect the gameplay thoughever.
>>1878631it's not supposed to be suzerain anon (and as i said previously, suzerain does have a war mechanic)
>>1878633>>1878634hard to know the consequences of my decisions when the focus descriptions and the events don't say anything
>>1878637it's in the effects you mongoloid
>>1878638green doesn't always mean good and viceversa, effects don't say everythingthat's why loc exists
>>1878638you're replying to a troon seething that TFR actually came out
I still can't believe they're butchering the Ultravisionaries because anything that isn't democratic centrism is le bad
>>1878640TFR is the antithesis of TNO. You can't like both.
>>1878627Do you understand that the Soviet Union would treated as the leader of the Warsaw Pact and that America would be considered the leader of NATO regardless of whatever technicalities they baked into their founding documents?>>1878637>How am I supposed to know what this industrialization focus that grants me mils does without an event chain about queer factory workers?
>>1878642>you cant like bothim BEGGING God you're not this stupid
TFR installed ransomware on my pc
People gaslighting themselves into liking TFR and making it a thing to defend because it reminds them of their high school peak in 2016 is tragic desu
>>1878643whatever man, I just can't enjoy it with all these empty pop ups
>All these TNO devs seething because seeing people have fun upsets them
>>1878651TNO devs or TNO dev apologists forcing themselves to be angry about TFR is even funnier teebeeaych
>>1878654i mean i do agree the empty pop ups are annoying but not nearly as annoying as game ruining. i've been on hoi4 since 2016 and i've seen a lot of mods with empty pop ups lol
>>1878655everyone is a dev nowadays>>1878658I wouldn't mind it in any other mod but tfr is so high quality in every other aspect that it genuinely ruins it for methey only had to pay more attention to detail
This bit is like Robbie talking about ESLs without also being funny.
>>1878661He was never funny in the first place.Mostly because I saw him every single time he was here and it got boring after the first few hundred times.
>/vst/ dev population skyrockets with tfr launchidk man i just think it's shit and people cope about it for no reason lole
That's it. I'm trying TFR today. But I'm NOT playing the American Civil War, because I refuse to pander to the alt-right.
>>1878663You type like one of those "raider" fags who hang around /gsg/ and none of the other inhabitants of /gsg/ seem to complain about.
>>1878665I don't know what any of that means, sorry.Am I typing like a troll now? SHIT
>>1878665>>1878663what are you retards even talking about? lunatics...
>>1878667>>1878669Do you niggers not know that /gsg/ was forcibly relocated to /vst/
>>1878662He was funny only because people kept replying to his obvious bait and getting mad. Trying to find 'gotchas' on a guy that's blatantly just saying stuff to make people mad.
>>1878660>everyone is a dev nowadaysare currently, or have you ever been referred to as a 'Dev' on /vst/
>>1878671who is this guy? he sounds based
>>1878673Robbie is an incredibly dedicated shitposter who has been plaguing /gsg/ for years, though he migrated to /vst/ way before /gsg/ was forced to come over here, assuming it was him and not a copycat poster.He always had an incredibly weird and oddly specific hate for Victoria 2 players. he is responsible for all sorts of weird anti-V2 memes, including pic related.It's unclear if he even plays grand strategy games or he is just an outsider who just happens to harbor an incredibly autistic hatred for the V2 playerbase.Posts of this style were always about Victoria 3 prior to the announcement of Project Caesar and his presence is almost non-existent in anything not related to Paradox games.When Victoria 3 released he noticed that the original Victoria 2 playerbase disliked it, so defending V3 or mocking those who criticise V3 was his agenda prior to Project Caesar.I believe he has been at it since 2017 or 2018, basically half a decade.He also had his IP revealed at some point and unsurprisingly, it was an American one.
>>1878675basado
>>1878675>t. bobo
>>1878664Biden A.I path is quite kino tho
>>1878726Biden AI? What? lmao.
>>1878729Yeah, in the unchained Biden Path he can upload his mind to the network after the unification
>>1878731I have GOT to try this shit.
>>1878731Sounds hilarious, I'm game.
Pakistan in TFO
>>1878777nobody gives a shit about shartistan irl, why would anyone care about it in a mod
>>1878779It's the Pakt's foothold on Asia.
>>1878777NOBODY CARES ABOUT PAKISTAN.
>>1878777Well at least it's less boring than the main game but holy shit I so don't care about these generic despots in third world states. Fucking Axis victory mod and you stupid cunts never add anything that wouldn't be out of place in the normal timeline. Props on picking someone that wasn't the historical President for once but since he's 70 at the start date you just know that he'll lead into the OTL guy or some other boring shit.NOTHING. EVER. HAPPENS.
>>1878735>>1878743It's kino. Shame the locs and the mod as a whole is still unpolished, but the idea is there
>>1878924That's fucking hilarious man. And yeah shame about the loc but you know what? I'd much rather look forward to the loc being added than "looking forward" to the devniggers deleting even more content for no fucking reason. At least TFO is consistent with its insane lore, as we see with the latest Antarctica screenshot the TNO devs even have major events alternate between being extremely important to not mattering at all depending on which team works on something.
>>1878924i feel like this is a good parody of all those liberals who thought Joe Biden could still run for president. >of course Biden can run for president, he should be able to run as many times as he wants!
>>1878743It's not hilarious. It's disrespectful.
>>1879020>le disrespectfulYou know what else is disrespectful? Throwing Biden under the bus for the sake of an Afro-Caribbean-Indian hybrid creature who literally sucked dick to get into politics.
>>1879020God you're a joyless cunt.
>>1879020Wah wah, can't have shit with living people.We made memes and parodies out of Bush back then, and then did again with Bush Jr, why can't we do it with Sleepy Joe?
>>1879053Because the TNO niggerfaggot you're replying to voted for him lel.
>>1879053Maybe because Biden has given this country 50+ years of public service?
>>1879082Lynch yourself, nigger.
>>1879082>Given public serviceWhen it's more like>Biden leeched on american tax payer money for more than 50 yearsHonestly, making a career out of politics should be illegal worldwide. Make so you can be elected to a seat, and then, after your term you can't try elections to any other position, ever.
>>1879082winning ragebait
>>1879085>>1879090>>1879154Timmy is mad
I think Kalterkrieg is bigger and worse at the "nothing ever happens" department.
So what is Goering going to do in nutno? Have they even finalized plans?
>>1879188Afaik he will be a corrupt pro-oligarch moderate-reformist or smth
baker you told me you will put the polish mod into the bakery why are you doing this to me...
>>1878211I am more of the Primivite Rocket Artillery man myself, but mortars are busted for inf.
>>1879228It got namedropped and recommended in the news summary post.
>>1879233nevermind, am dumb
TFR:>We're adding WW3! Big funny culmination of the battle between all major nations! Look forward to it!TNO:>We're deleting as many wars as possible. All major conflicts auto-fail state. We'll also break our own rules and declare events non-canon and irrelevant arbitrarily just to make sure that gameplay never happens.This is just outright self-destructive behavior at this point.
>>1879227Not even close lol
>>1879282What will he be then?
>>1879284No idea but devs already said he's not gonna be a "pro-oligarch reformist".
>>1879286I've seen devs describe him in many different ways. The only consistent thing is that he'll be super corrupt. I don't think the original anon you replied to may be wrong but rather that he's just been rewritten multiple times. For all we know they might not even have a proper design document given how long they've been in dev hell, how much has been reworked elsewhere since work started, and how many times the Reich leads have changed their minds on things.It's a fucking mess basically.
>>1879282>>1879291No idea what the fuck you are talking about but ive seen the design docx back 2022 for the goring and heydrich reworks, goring literally is a reformist-leaning moderate whos very, very corrupt, self serving and pro business allies. hes very barebones except from that. There's mentions of empowering collaborators, reworking the bureaucracy, kind of targeting the bases of support for reactionaries like the gaultiers and certain elements of the state apparatus, and weaken the more committed reformists like leftover speerites. Econ policy is more welfare and appeasement, foreign policy is nonaligned, friendlier to usa.
>>1879374Isn't that literally stolen from TWR?
>>1879374>We're losing the funny militarism for this ripoff job>Nearly half a decade wasted on nothing
>>1879374What about Heydrich?
>>1879390Never releasing.
>>1879390His doc was already leaked.
I'll never get modders' autism for working on and releasing toozers of literally who minor countries instead of working on the actual main characters of a mod/scenario.
>>1879410Every country is the main character of their own story.
>>1879410i dont mind minor stories (though i do find it a bit ridiculous we're about to play antartica) thing is the superpowers should kind of lead
>>1879410This but with retarded muh quirky UIsLooking at RF, TFR, PB, TOTA, RD, and RD
>>1879419Seething.
>>1879419mmm yes i want my ww2 UI in a total conversion mod set in an avantgarde alt history/the modern day/steampunk/a world based on 2000s culture/world where the soviets endured
>>1878553How the fuck does the New Swabia invasion not start WWIII?
>>1879485The same reason the SAW doesn't start WW3.
>>1879485Because Bassist made the content before the current interpretation of KZ and doesn't want to delete it which is why the Reich team can't just outright delete it like they do with everything else that was designed around the pre-2023 interpretation of GCW/KZ. Don't worry I guarantee you that there were plenty of behind the scenes fights about it and the second Bassist steps out of line this stuff will be put on the chopping block for being too fun.
ODT shows yet another problem with reworking. Let's pretend for a moment reworks are actually intended on making mod more realistic instead of being a paper-thin justification by devniggers. Every single change, especially one as large as GCW, will have ripples. Now, you are either stuck with a less realistic version because half the world is stuck in one timeline and the other half in another, or you try to fix it which causes even more ripples. Also halfway devs decide to rework the lore again and the end result is a clusterfuck
>>1879733Don't forget the cascading reworks. I think that's separate from all the "fixes". Several tags have been reworked from scratch, been made completely skeletonized, put in some kind of limbo or outright removed because of all of this. And like you said it's a moving target so something reworked to fit the original German rework might not fit the next iteration of it. The most public example is Moskowien, now in the double digit rework count with the latest being a complete do-over because they decided several years in that no GCW means no MCW... An argument that we now see was completely arbitrary with a lead simply saying that you can just change a few lines of text and call it a day.
Mexico will be able to invade and occupy Guatemala.Now you can't say it has no wars.>>1879733The thing is that you're assuming realism is the goal. It isn't.
>>1879904>we're adding a fake war in eight years!Oh you mean the war where literally the only outcome is that Mexico wins because it'd be unrealistic if they didn't, devnigger?>The thing is that you're assuming realism is the goal. It isn't.So now it isn't? After using that as an excuse to rework dozens of tags from scratch? OK retard.
>>1879904>>1879907Quoting Corn btw so you know this guy's up to speed with the devspeak narrative.
>>1879904Oh, I know it isn't. Come on, tell me with a straight face Nixon the dictator or liberal suicide bombers are realistic.
What’s stopping devs from calling the map projection update “TT5”
>>1879984They're unironically traumatized by how much crunch went into TT. So their solution is to force everyone to crunch on something with a different name, apparently.
Where can I get the TNOredux mod? I fucking miss Atlantropa
>>1879996There will never be one
>>1880013I heard someone on reddit said it was removed because of devs are neo-nazis?
>>1879907still a war
>>1880211>The non-conflict where one tag literally will never get content with only one actual outcome that's utterly railroaded is the same thing as adding a playable WW3lmao
>>1880216still a war
>>1880224You really are the stupidest cunt on the planet. No wonder TNO has gone to complete shit if this is the mentality that devniggers and their sickening apologists operate on. Sincerely, I hope you see reason and kill yourself.
>>1880143The only TNOredux I'm aware of was managed by /pol/fag techlet admins who barely wrote any code for Chinese tagsIf I remember correctly the mod collapsed due to infighting (color me shocked) after the main admin went missing after downloading a malware trying to pirate gta5
>>1880143That’s part of the reason but there’s never going to be one because there has yet to be an actual competent group of people to put it together. Most of the past reduxes were done by spite and died because of it.
Give me a D!>D!Give me a E!>E!Give me a A!>A!Give me a D!>D!Give me a M!>M!Give me a O!>O!Give me a D!>D!What does that spell?!>DEAD MOD!
What do you guys think of TWR?
>>1880686>Nothing Ever Happens: The Mod (Electric Boogaloo)Went same road as TNO and started removing and REWOOOORKIG their content to be worse.
>>1880686Thousand Week Rework.
>>1879374TWR Goring in TNO? Damn
Ttime to wait until someone willing to make proper TLhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3350747146
>>1880802TNO getting mogged by the Chinese AGAIN?
>>1880686It's alright/10. Gotenland was fun the first time and Aryan empire was good for some fun. I haven't played the new update since i don't really care but there was a lot of content cut, the excuse being that the content was really bad.
Corn confirmed hes floridian, for people speculating he was ukrainian. Probably the worst possible revelation lmao
Why is an alternate history mod like TNO becoming as rail-roaded as VIP for Vicky 1 and AGCEEP for EU2? At least those were designed for games with very simple mechanics to try and keep them in a real world historical course.
>>1880957shame he didn't die from hurican miltron
>>1880964because the devs are neoliberals and change unironically terrifies thembiden winning was the worst possible thing to happen to tno
>TNO when it was run by autistic trannies with fringe extremist politics:>Iconic>Beloved>Brought people together in their enjoyment of this somewhat wacky but nonetheless interesting alternate history narrative>Spawns hundreds of memes and endless discussion>Only version of the mod that will be remembered in the long term>TNO now that it's run by sensible r/neoliberal users:>Completely stagnant>Removes things and replaces them with nothing for years on end>Fictional narrative becomes incoherent as entire chunks are retconned out because the new developers think the mod's purpose is to advocate for the inevitability of liberal democracy>Committed to ensuring players have zero agency when playing the game>Straight up so railroaded it makes AGCEEP look like EU3 at launch>Does its best to completely remove war from a mod that was already thin on combat gameplay>Community discussion is heavily censored to ensure the blatant decline of the mod is not spoken of in public>Will be forgotten about the second HoI5 releases
>>1880957>Florida man ruins mod>>1880964In TNO's case it's because it was largely hijacked by people who hate HOI4 and just want to turn the game into The Campaign Trail and soapbox about their personal politics. This is also why you see large gaps between the main bulk of the team leads and the few old guardists they haven't chased out yet. Bassist's remarks on the OFN invasion of German Antarctica are a good example which is a complete 180 from the things Lamounier makes ("everything has to be railroaded to the point of using non-canon nukes and cheats for my perfect narrative"). At least Panzer knew that you had to make a fun game experience around it. Which brings us to another point: the old content was made by schizophrenic communistic autists. The post-hijack leadership are ideologically driven radlibs. Even their local self-proclaimed tankies on the team supports neolibbery. It's all so tiresome.
>>1880973>Only version of the mod that will be remembered in the long termIt's funny because even they know it lmao.
>Imperator Rome modding:>A handful of committed autists spend years tirelessly working to make something good out of Paradox's biggest flop>Never give up on this even though very few people care about Imperator and the game's mechanics and code are barely documented anywhere>Become hailed as heroes by the small niche of people who still play this game, an example of the potential of autistic mapgamer communities>Paradox even releases a small patch to make the game a bit more moddable for them even though Imperator development is abandoned>HoI4 modding:>Most popular Paradox game has iconic mods completely cannibalize themselves in horrible storms of inane community drama>Retarded neoliberals drive out all the schizos with cool ideas so that they can turn mods into soapboxing about how there's no viable political alternative to 2020s western politics and you're a mass murderer if you disagree>Innards of the game are well-documented and widely understood by the modding community yet nothing ever fucking comes out>Can't release absolutely anything while the Imperator autists are still updating their mods and adding mission trees for [FORGOTTEN BURMESE TRIBE WE ONLY KNOW ABOUT FROM ARCHEOLOGY] to the great pleasure of the 1k people who play Imperator.
>>1880977>Social democrats and Trotskyists take over and ruin something good that Stalinists created.As always.
>>1880985>Imperator gets Burma content before TNOIt's never been more over.
Can I have more content like Guangdong and Iberia pls?
>>1881033Iberia has been in rework hell my entire adult life and the people who made Guangdong are long gone and the bungled efforts by lesser people to replicate its success gave us the Mexico demo. It's fucking grim.
>>1880992Is that new
>>1881118No it's what's currently there iirc. Burman content is a bit of a local meme here after an anon championed it really hard and managed to win several people over with their sheer enthusiasm.
>TNO thread>half of the thread is about another mod
>>1881155What are we supposed to talk about? The only death rattle we saw from the devniggers was that fag talking about how there was supposedly a "war" being added to Mexico before a courageous leaker shut him the fuck down. It's far more interesting to talk about how TFR reminds us of early TNO and proves that the mod should've stayed on that path instead of killing itself under the current devnigger regime.
This will be TNO in 10 years:After a year-long crunch and numerous delays Vote Pig finally releases as a demo featuring 4 years of beloved paths such as liberal democrats, moderate republicans, and an evil Nixon cliffhanger. Wallace, Reagan, and 4 more years are announced to be released SOON™.After the initial release, German devs resign protesting their never-ending conscription to American code and loc mines, which leads to breakdown in Lamounier-Mango relations. The mod goes silent for a few months, trying to recover what is left of German and Italian rework.After realizing the extent of broken code and unfinished loc, the remainder of the team finally decides to cut corners and announces new generation TNO. Continental Europe is to be skeletonized, so the player can focus on up-to-current-standards peak American gameplay, all notions of criticism for removal the main antagonist of the mod are brushed off with an excuse of German gameplay being ‘problematic’ and ‘nazi-enabling’. Under the guise of realism all successful radical rightists in the US are being turned into failstates with a hundred day-long focus tree.A blazing fireball of community rage leaves entire team in shambles, who are making a glorified American liberalism simulator.
How would you rate all updates?>Release TNO>Rule Britannia (added the original UK content)>Cutting Room Floor (Novosibirsk, People’s Revolutionary Council, Heydrich and Ireland demo among other things)>After Midnight (Post collapse Taboritsky content)>Ordem e Progresso (CSS integration with Brazil demo)>Toolbox Theory 1&2>Toolbox Theory 3 (Hart, Free France reclamation among other things)>Silicon Dreams (Guangdong)>Ugly American (Madagascar, Haiti proxies among others)>The Ruin (Demo Ukraine, demo UK rework and Facelift Japan)>So Far From God (demo Mexico)
>>1881282Realized I forgot 2 main things for Cutting Room Floor>Full content for the Reichstaat and the Mandates>Werbell
>>1881282>release TNO 8/10 for what it did it was very important for the mod community as a whole >rule britannia6/10 i never really cared that much about Britain and lets face it their old content was trash but it's still pretty good>cutting room floor9/10 added some of my favourite countries so yeah>after midnightvery useless, 4/10>ordem e progressoim EXTREMELY mad it's just a demo because i really like the content, the election mechanic and the focus tree work really well, there is just not much to do for now. 8/10 because im biased af>toolbox theoryi have a personal grudge agaist TT because i dont really like how they updated the economy system, i get why they did what they did but some things are just off for me, 7/10 (it's still too good and too big to give it a low grade)>hart, free france reclamationHart is.. super problematic as we said in previous threads but his mechanics are nice, free france reclamation is awesome sauce, 7/10>silicon dreams9/10, what a TNO update should be>ugly american4/10, i hate these proxies, they're either impossible to understand (haiti) or just too boring (madagascar). in reality madagascar would be awesome IF you could send volunteers, i cant be fucking bothered to wait for the AI to move its fat ass>the ruinliterally all demos, 4/10>so far from Godlol, 3/10
>>1877459>Vanilla HOI4 confirmed to get Fuehrer succession dynamics before TNO (rework still isn't anywhere near complete after several years).TOP FUCKING KEK
>>1881282It all starts pretty great, some iffy stuff with TT, re-peaked with SD and then it's all shit from there, mod might as well have disbanded in 2022 since it was only downhill from there.
Not gonna lie I just want Alexander Men back
>>1881300Aren't you excited for the rework (releasing never) that turns him into a generic socdem in St. George (never fucking happening)?
>>1881286So aside it from being a demo, what made you hate Mexico so much compared to Ukraine's and Britain's demos?
>>1881312Not that anon but the overwhelming consensus is that there's no conventional gameplay and a dull as dishwater setting.>Axis victory mod>Do Wikipedia copy-paste politics in a third world countryBritain and Ukraine at least have interesting alt history settings while Mexico is just peak nu-dev bullshit where nothing ever happens. It offers absolutely nothing to anyone that plays HOI4 for an actual HOI4 experience.
>>1881306The only rework I WAS looking forward to was fascist Italy but too bad we ain't seeing that
>>1881312i dont like... pretty much anything of it, the mechanics are pretty bad, i much more enjoy Hart's version or Brasil's version of the economy (except the projects, those are cool). the narrative is okaish but it really dosent stand on its own with too many uninteresting events, and there's really no action, not only there's no action but we dont know if we're ever getting action, nor any interesting paths for that matter.
>average TNO dev
Why don't the devs rework the oldest countries in the mod (The southern Urals ones)?
>>1881330imagine if they rework fucking dirlangwer, i wouldnt survive it
>>1881330>>1881332There have been attempts. Scood the old Russia lead tried to rework the entire region and made a few proposals. Orenburg was going to be relocated Yugra (why), Ural League didn't get a proposal, Dirlewanger was replaced with a fascist tag and Magnitogorsk became a different kind of evil science tag. I'm sure Corn has his own big rework plans too. If they do, Dirlewanger is on the chopping block for sure. Last guy on the team that wanted to keep Dirlewanger is long gone. That tag's gonna get smoked like Tabby in the Komi rework.
>>1881282Release was good but could be better.Rule Britannia was nice since it came out pretty quick, I didn't mind the content.Cutting Room Floor was in my opinion the best update by quantity. So many good nations added that we take for granted now especially Novosibirsk.After midnight was alright/10 we finally got a fully finished tag.Ordem e progressivo I felt is overrated and i didn't really care too much for it. Brazil and it's update is a joke and I do not see myself returning.Toolbox Theory pissed me off to no end because of the development hell but now that it's out I can't complain too much.Toolbox theory 3 I only liked free France, I don't give a shit about Hart, fuck Democrats and Republicans.Silicon dreams was the high water mark, it was a great update and while it is light on the wars, we did get some good gameplay.Ugly Americans was a crappy laggy update that did nothing for me.The ruin was awful all around, Ukraine and Britain is just five minutes of content and I didn't even notice the Japan face-lift. Japan is fucking busted and boring and actually needs a rework.So far from God? More like so far from good, the mod is dead.
>>1881282>STT1&2, Silicon Dreams. Era defining updates. TT1 gave us the best economy system in a hoi4 mod, Silicon Dreams showed us what nuTNO is like and it delivered.>ATT3, The Ruin, Ordem e Progresso, SFFG. Solid updates with far better designed countries. Them only being demos and TT3 only being 1 path is what stop them from being S tier.>BUgly American. The proxies added have become a staple of modern proxy design>CCutting Room Floor. Not bad but not great earlier. Ireland demo carries it imo. Heydrich was overhyped.>DRule Britannia. Old UK was boring and very bugged on release.>EAfter Midnight. Doesn't add much. Plus I don't like Tabby.>FRelease TNO. All of the worst content currently is legacy from this era. I understand it started it all but compared to current TNO it doesn't hold up at all.
This mod has always been garbage and I regret that it has soaked up so much dev time instead of something like Darkest Hour which vanilla is now ripping off
>Astroturfing nu-TNO by associating it with SD and OG TT>Despite it starting and completing dev in old TNO and all people involved with it being goneStolen valor devnigger desu.
>>1881581TT1 provided the framework for nuTNO to work on, Silicon Dreams provided an example of how a nuTNO country should be designed. Even if they're not part of it.Also I'm not a "devnigger" just because I like newer content. I've been playing since 2020 and despite the content cuts, the TNO gameplay experience has greatly improved with time.
>How are you doing fellow regular TNO fans the Mexico demo sure is great
>>1881590Most people outside this site like it, it's not the flop you think it is.
Source: Devcord, Reddit.Sincerely, kill yourself devnigger.
>>1881282>Release TNO8/10 simply because it released and had a lot of content and changed the hoi4 modding space>Rule Britannia 3/10 i actively disliked the old britain content from the moment it came out>Cutting Room Floor5/10 was needed to finish off the release content, especially the 72 presidents teaser trees, but nothing special imo>After Midnight 7/10 not the most important content but provided a beloved epilogue to an iconic path >Ordem e Progresso 8/10 even though it's just a demo, i remember really enjoying brazil when it came out, the election gui for it felt like the best elections in the mod>Toolbox Theory 1&27/10 hate how long it took to come out but i do like the economy system, it's simple and fixes the scaling and powercreep issues that would ruin a cold war setting with the vanilla factories building. I also love subideology flavour.>Toolbox Theory 3 3/10 don't care for these that much, honestly haven't played Hart and probably won't because he seems lame >Silicon Dreams 9/10 very good update, full content 10 year for a unique country, gui minigames and systems not overwhelming and aside from the riots consistent throughout the whole game, flavour events not overly indulgent with 3 perspectives from each social caste being followed to show the effects of your path.>Ugly American5/10 i like skeleton content for countries like haiti, dominican republic, etc but the foreign policy gui and proxy design needs a rework >The Ruin 4/10 really like the new britain content but demo and no resistence content, ukraine was very meh >So Far From God 3/10 i don't mind political content but the south america team took all the wrong lessons from brazil, dozens of bloated and worthless guis
>>1881632>the 2 largest TNO discussion sites somehow don't count
>Devcord is a major discussion siteJesus Christ. Also no, if you ban damn near everyone that disagrees with you or create a climate where everyone knows they'll get janny'd if they don't agree with you then you don't count because your sample is completely corrupted. Meanwhile, once you move away from places where the TNO moderation staff can do what they do (hi btw) then you get a much more honest sentiment.
>>1881636>if you ban damn near everyone that disagrees with you or create a climate where everyone knows they'll get janny'd if they don't agreeThis literally doesn't happen. No one gets banned for disagreeing or critizing the mod.
OH NO NIGGER YOU'RE DOING THIS AGAIN EVEN AFTER YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG LAST TIME!Fuck off, I'm not having this circular discussion again. Your parents will use the name they gave you at birth when they bury you.
>>1881639>proven wrongWhen? So far I haven't seen a single screenshot of someone getting banned for critizing new content.
>>1881580This, it always has been a shitty overhyped politically driven VNPanzer was clever doing both chudbaiting and tankiebaiting so that the mod could develop a solid fanbase.
>>1881634>casually omitting that criticism of mod and updates instantly get janny'dLmao, those are not discussion sites, they are hugboxes.If devniggers spent half the time they spend regularly shilling around the internet doing some actual coding the mod wouldn't be in this state.
>>1881643Again that never happens. At most reddit threads get locked when discussion gets too heated but that's it.
>>1881645God you devniggers are such disgusting, lying cunts.https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/TNOmod/comments/1f96g2y/tno_discord_communiqu%C3%A9_ver_2024/Undelete is down right now but when this thread went up things were mass-deleted on sight and nearly a fifth of all posts got deleted before the thread was locked down. Also>heatedRead: when the echo chamber is broken.
>>1881645>too heated The moment people stop glazing the new "content" ScareSith style, you mean? (lol who cares about alt history in an alt history mod? le tapado XDDDDD) you mean?
>>1881645I bet there isn't even discussion at all lmao, the fags that still cling to the official channels at this point blindly suck devniggers' cock without questions.Literal hugboxes.
>>1881656The discussion that goes on there:
>>1881657A quintessential example of the average discussion in the fabled two largest TNO discussion sites.
>>1881657Why are trans people like thisLOOK HOW TRANS I AM ALSO GAZE UPON MY BOOTLICKING TAKES YE MIGHTY AND DESPAIR
>>1881650>>1881651>users break the rules (be civil)>users are rude>users are banned (most of it done by a bot that detects swearwords)This is not the same as supressing dissent. And notice how you never bring up the discord. You can just use the search function, type mexico+boring or disappointing or whatever and find people who didn't like it. Do that and you'll see that no one gets banned for voicing their opinions as long as their civil about it.>>1881656Not even remotely true.
>>1881663 (me) Disregard that I suck dicks. I'm also trans if that matters.
>>1881663
>>1881664>no argumentsConcession accepted.
>Haha you stopped giving elaborate replies to my stock defenses of the moderation teamFuck off TNO janny. There's a reason why all the discussion here about your shitty mod has been completely dead with the only sign of life being your stupid ass showing up to defend the work of your fellow moderators.
>>1881666>no actual content released in months.Dead mod.
Guys I thought they banned mexico haters?
Does anyone want to guess who the TNO janny is?
>>1881669>downvotedgeeg
>>1881673You'll never guess it ;)
>>1881681Probably Kateryna since he posted here in the past when people criticized Romania and also uses smileys. At least you're admitting to being a janny and that everything you said in defense of your colleagues can be ignored.
>>1881686Never said that.You'll never get it because I'm not a janny, no matter how much you want me to be one.I miss when you guys called me shill 3 years ago, at least you were right back then.
>>1881692>You'll never guess which janny I am ;)>You're obviously this one>OH NO I MEANT YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHICH JANNY I AM BECAUSE I'M DEFINITELY NOT A JANNYlol. Well at least now we know who the resident dev poster is. Literal Cornite.
>>1881699Never said I was a janny, reading comprehension lolNow I get why you don't like TNO you're literally illiterate.
>>1881705Of course, you were just taunting the thread's inability to guess the janny's identity for reasons that have nothing to do with your unpaid job. You're just a normal fan that just so happens to constantly defend the moderation staff in several threads while also defending everything in nu-TNO.
Shills and devniggers are mentally ill.
>>1881663>You can just use the search functionfuck off back to your hugbox trannycord, fag.
>>1881717Unironically. I like the mod so I defend it. Sue me.>>1881724Don't talk about it if you aren't there, then.
>>1881725You should follow your own advice, Kateryna.Oh wait, you can't. You moderators literally have to monitor this thread, lmao.
>>1881721Shills don't exist, they're all devs.If they say they aren't, they're still a dev. If they keep denying, you just press them further.That's the only way to deal with them. Push the lie until it becomes truth.
>>1881729Exactly. Like this one. Started out as a normal fan that just liked some of the new content, then took the bait and started to aggressively defend the moderation staff and eventually backpedaled to "I'm just a shill uwu" after someone guessed who they were.
>>1881731Exactly, even if they're just normal shills we still have to treat them as devs. It's the only way to defend this place.
i miss the discussions that we had about atlantropaat least back then there were nice debatesnowadays is all just>mexico bad>no its not>ur a dev>no im not>yes u are>u are illiterate lol>no u
>>1881734Yeah it's almost as if the atmosphere in the community soured after several years of constant content cuts and terrible releases, funny how that works out.
>>1881736at this point i've pretty much given upim here only for the leaks and it seems they've dried upfor now i'll take whatever content they put out but in the meantime i play other things and try not to think to hard about how it couldve been
>>1881738Not even the leaks are good any more. It's usually just how some OTL-ism is coming out in a few years, or how there will be less gameplay in an update (releasing never). Hell our most recent ones were about how the South Atlantic War was going to have no meaningful changes and that a "war" being added to Mexico is literally just a railroaded victory without any stakes.
>>1881742eh the south american war thing was expectedi mean, it's an end game war it was a given it wasn't gonna have any meaningful contentbut yeah the mexico thing was disappointing lol
>>1881734>zero new material comes out for half a decade>4chan threads about it turns to shityeah, many such cases
>>1881579>>B>Ugly American. The proxies added have become a staple of modern proxy designGod i fucking hope not, both of these are extremely annoying
>>1881286>in reality madagascar would be awesome IF you could send volunteersYou used to be able to and it sucked
>>1881798It wouldn't make sense narratively either.
>>1881798i still do it with allowdiplo and i have fun so idk
>>1881798It didn't suck it was just a normal war. Tiny ordeal, every major sends its own division, perfectly fine for a small conflict in the early game.>>1881803>having troops be sent to conflicts destroys muh narrativeOnly narrative it destroys is the narrative that players don't want gameplay.
>>1881808the idea that you can se weapons with limited supplies and that you have to over-spend Japan so they side with you etc. it's all really good but i cant be fucking bothered to wait for the AI to MOOOOOOOOVE
>>1881808>Only narrative it destroys is the narrative that players don't want gameplay.No. Read the events, there's a clear reason why the US can't send volunteers.
>>1881810okay...? make it so that it's enjoyable
>>1881808It sucked because Madagascar has a shitty terrain to move troops and attack others. Most of the time it was shittier Malaysia or Philippines.
>>1881810>haha we rewrote everything in Ugly American so now our forced minigame makes sense!Yeah and they fucking suck. Mango is retarded and everything in Vote Pig and by extension Ugly American is shit. Also fuck you for assuming that everyone that dislikes your shit simply doesn't read your shitty events. It used to be better, you fags made it worse, deal with the backlash.
>>1881811allowdiplo>>1881814Why are you assuming I'm a dev? I'm just saying there's a narrative reason why the US can't send volunteers.
>>1881820>allowdiploreally? we're breaking the narrative anyway? why not try to create a narrative that gives good gameplay too? why not try to syncretize gameplay and narrative? if i use allowidplo i break the narrative either way
>>1881822idk ask Mango.
>>1881822>why not try to create a narrative that gives good gameplay tooMango's crew literally wrote it with the intent to disable actual gameplay in favor of the Madagascar GUI shitshow and because they wanted to test the waters for their Vote Pig bullshit. Making anything fun was never part of the equation.
>>1881824see why im against ugly american? it's not a good method of doing proxies
How does the thread feel about Glenn being scrapped for space content that will never come? There is as much current development for the all superpowers space content as there is for Argentina, France, Ukraine, Japan... meaning nothing. The team has been completely dead for several months and nothing has been pushed out of the factory line in about a year. Completely defunct. I can confirm internal chats are basically closed the team no longer exists. You lost Glenn, that though flawed, was full content and worth playing. Enjoy nothing chuddie.
>>1881882hart > glennmechanically and narratively
>>1881882Glenn: We'll beat the fascists by conquering MARS!Hart: Please Reddit, give me some Gold so that I can win my battle with cancer...>>1881883Fuck off, Mango. No one liked your walkable cities you retarded cunt. Kill yourself.
>>1881882Its a shame because I am a space nerd and never even got the chance to play Glenn
>>1881882Hart is better than Glenn but it's an incredible low bar, they could've done so much more with Hart and it feels like they blew it
>>1881886More how? More modern day liberal wish fulfilment? Heckin diverse walkable cities and le epic trains (only cares about trains because of /r/fuckcars)
>>1881889by making a modern liberal who's not the fucking satire of what a liberal looks like.
>>1881890the thing is he was always going to be satire if you were going to transplant a modern liberal into the 1970s
>>1881893i dont mean "modern" as contemporary, i mean modern akin to the 80' type of liberal. in this timeline instead of having labour democrats a liberal wins, but it's not a liberal like Kennedy he's different. different how? that's something the devs should've answered in a more satisfying way
>>1881895You're asking Mango et al to have nuance.That's something they can't do. Have you seen the Vote Pig documents?Yockey is removed and Hall is installed on a technicality, because if they get elected it means US' system failed. Can't have the system failing.
>>1881893NAYRT but I think this is a major issue with devs in general but nu-TNO devs in particular. They love to transplant contemporary beliefs onto 60s politicians, especially in countries in the west.>no1currs that millions of Slavs are being industrially exterminated in eastern Europe>Abortions being slightly impeded in America? Worse than Hitler!>>1881895Honestly not a bad take but I think there's a 0% chance that Mango & Co could deliver on that.
>>1881899>contemporary beliefsJane Jacobs published her book in the 60s, not very contemporary.
>>1881903Planting a seed doesn't matter if the tree won't grow for several decades. Especially with a team of radlibs who refuse to allow any form of radical change that break from the constitutional norms.
people gotta realise that a tno redux is never coming out, to get one you need skilled, willing people, of which there is none. The only people who make these reduxes are retards who believe in extreme ideologies, and all the ex-tno devs would prefer shooting themselves than working on anything tno related again (nothing of a surprise - mango and corn treat anyone who isn't their friend awfully, and they don't have any problem in scrapping peoples' reworks in favor of their own ideologically extreme delusions)
>>1881973Can confirm, I'm the latter. Devniggers treated me and my friends like shit and in the end everything we poured hours into got reworked in the end by some retard friend of theirs. It all worked out for the better in the end because we all ended up on less toxic teams in the end and got to pursue our hobbies that way but no one's ever going to work on anything related to TNO again after the hell we went through there.>I wonder why there's such a high turnover rate>Why don't updates ever release?
>>1880985>EAW somehow avoiding this shitstorm of inane community drama by pure autism.The ponies always win in the end somehow.
>>1881986Same, I and my friends were treated like shit and our works were treated like just a meaningless piece of text - all getting reworked, changed, replaced with no real regard to the effort and time put into it all together. Genuinely lost all my motivation to work for the mod, holy shit did it feel good to leave and never look back.
>>1882134>>1881986around what time did you guys leave?
>>1882137Around the turn of the year. Didn't even get to see Mango break everything or Corn reworking literally all of Russia so I guess I got out before it got really bad.
>>1881986Tell stories about Mango
>>1882193Don't have anything interesting to share that hasn't been said a million times already. Mango's just a jackass with a huge ego. Just look at his Twitter if you want to see his retarded political takes but most of his team drama happen in the lead chats afaik or in DMs if someone proves him wrong and makes him sulk. I was never privy to any of that. TNO has a lot of that I feel. Just really bland and stupid people making bad decisions.
Shitty larp, Mango is a saint
OK Mango.
>>1882199He saved TNO you should be more grateful.
>>1880979
>>1882201Mango saved TNO from being something REMOTELY interesting. Truly a visionary. All those mods that release content PALE from out ability to do nothing and destoying others work. Ave!kys
>>1881973Most you can do is some submods like the Chinese mod, the west Russian war mod, that one Trotskyite demo, etc. It's not that making content is that difficult. It's the writing that's hard. If the writing isn't good people will ditch it. Any monkey can make a bunch of copy and pasted focuses and decisions for a nation but making a narrative or a theme that is interesting is what is hard.
TNO isn’t pandering to LARP retards like the ones in this thread anymore and it’s a good thing. The mod will actually be for people who actually enjoy history.
Bait.
>>1882328This.
>>1882328Trvthnvke
>He bumped himself twice in desperation
>>1882391>>1882394Obvious samefag is obvious>>1882328>alt history axis victory mod>look inside>OTL history but Nazi Germany still exists
>>1882411Bro forgot about Japan.
If Bormann has a million fans, I'm one of them.If Bormann has 5 fans, I'm one of them.If Bormann has 1 fan, that one is me.If Bormann has no fans, I'm no longer alive.If the world is against Bormann I'm against the world.Till my last breath, I support Bormann.
>>1882433Everyone forgot about Japan.The Mango clique is trying to minimise its WW2 gains. Why would they take somewhere like Hawaii, which already had a large ethnic Japanese population?
>>1882442Those Japanese were loyal to the US though.
>>1882442They're also trying to just remove all consequences from WW2 from America.>Lose WW2>No concessions to the Axis, society becomes more liberal and we start to discuss the historical civil rights movement (but we can be more liberal than OTL)Mango is just going all in on nothing ever happening.>>1882445>The Empire of Japan would refuse to incorporate their co-ethnics into their realm because the local population wouldn't be loyal to the Empire right away>"Oh that's OK, we respect your free will to remain with our bitter enemies who we just defeated in the biggest war in human history."Again, just going all-in on nothing ever happening, aren't we? No interesting scenarios, no conflicts, just like Corn said: normal people dealing with normal issues.
>>1882462>normal people dealing with normal issues.yeah, that's how politics work
>>1882463>Nazi victory>"Eh just business as usual, actually it's even calmer than OTL!"God you people are just the fucking worst. You'd watch paint dry if it wasn't for the fact that there's some manner of change involved in the process.
>>1882471The nazis were not magic, they weren't aliens, they would be normalised, or rather they would never be made out as the ultimate evil in the first place.
>>1882471most nazis were boring bureaucrats irl, not the goofy wackos allied propaganda and pop culture media portray them as
>>1882474Yeah no way to make anything interesting out of Nazism being normalized.
>>1882479We're already getting a shit ton of nazi subideologies.
>>1882480God you really are a dense motherfucker aren't you? You can have millions of them and it wouldn't make you better than vanilla's singular one if you do fuck all with them in the end.
>>1882481>he doesn't believe in the indomitable vision of Martin Bormann and National Socialist Orthodoxy
It's interesting how Nazi victory would influence American culture. With France and Britain subjgated, would American exceptionalism only grow stronger, Shining City upon a Hill, Beacon Light of Liberty and all of that or would there be a Germanmania, WASP elite importing luxury Volkswagens (heh) and wearing counterfeit Hugo Boss? Another Great Awakening? Victorian culture renaissance, as something distinctly English? There are many possibilities to shake things up
>>1882486The former, and it's already in the mod in the form of natspirts. The rest don't make any sense.
>>1882486Nothing will ever happen because the mod was hijacked by the most boring people on the planet.
>>1882487You know how it is with the althistory. One day you get rejected from the art school, and the next you are draining the Mediterranean or colonizing the Antarctica. I absolutely could see some kind of major religious movement, maybe millenarian protestantism or the rise of Mormonism, as a uniquely American brand of Christianity. Elite larping as the English upper class doesn't sound too far-fetched either; they were pretty fond of emulating Greeks and Romans; why not the English?I'm curious: does TNO in any way address the fact that a lot of people in the Midwest are second- or third-generation German migrants?
>>1882500There's no basis as for why all that would happen. Losing a war that didn't even reach the mainland would not make American society suddenly go schizo.
>>1882500german american identity was eradicated during and after ww1. they dont adress them because they're irrrelevant
>>1882500Don't bother talking to the devnigger, it's probably the same janny that shit up the thread yesterday. He'll just refer you to Wikipedia and insist that a few minor cosmetic changes here and there are as exciting as the wars and countries they're deleting from the original release.
>>1882509You don't have to be a dev to dislike over the top althis. Mango's America is not perfect but imo is way better than a crazy millenarian mormon America that's racist to germans.
>Mango's hands wrote this post
all me btw(i'm quoproquid)
>>1882510>Mango's America is not perfect Mango's America is fucking shit.They replaced the system failing, causing extremists to rise to power, with some obscure political process where Hall is installed as a lame duck. Eat the rich, but just the aesthetics. Neoliberal-safe communism.Also, Wallace being saddled with a liberal VP who serves only one purpose: to make sure anything he does is rolled back in a few years, and we're back on the march to Mango's preferred IRL political utopia.
>>1882530Don't forget that not only is Yockey gone, but there is no ahistorically far-right candidate either but let's not kid ourselves they'd get the Wallace treatment too if present or worse. It's a dozen shades of neoliberal wish-fulfillment, either a liberal Mango wants to see win or a fumbling bumbling RepubliKKKan that serves as strawman for the radlibs. The only remotely interesting guy is Nixon who's just a straight up caricature cartoon villain that can become dictator-in-chief on the back of endless wars (unless the liberals save America). /vst/ couldn't make up something more stereotypically resistance-brained if we tried.
>>1882532Schlafly is pretty fucking cursed though.
>>1882530basedfuck commie power fantasies
>>1882533>Schlafly is pretty fucking cursedThe woman was a conservative activist but never had any presidential ambitions or held elected office. For as much as they use "realism" as an excuse to gut and/or rework content (when Corn isn't claiming that TNO doesn't follow realism whenever it's convenient to him) into something unrecognisable, they had no problem making someone with absolutely no desire to become president as a potential leader of America. She was 100% put there for troons to make cheap shots against those dumb homophobic moral majority Christians.
>>1882538You know I never thought about it like that but now that you mention it, it's rather interesting that they used the same argument for cutting Yockey who also didn't have any presidential ambitions.To be clear though I don't mind them making people who weren't presidential material IRL and turning them into presidents. But it bothers me that they have these double standards all the time and just make up rules as they go to fit whatever is convenient this very moment.
What are the chances of mango and friends rewooorking america to be even more a shitty liberal wish-fulfillment fantasy if the bad orange man wins the presidency again?
>>1882553100% it's not even a question. Keep a close look on his Twitter ("Mangolith") when that shit-show goes down, it's going to be hilarious.
>>1882538>For as much as they use "realism" as an excuse to gut and/or rework contentthey've never done that
^ Kateryna
>Entire mod being reworked from the ground up to be more realistic>All "wacky" ahistorical stuff being cut>"They've never reworked anything in the name of realism"Go back to the moderator Devcord chat. Even fans of the new stuff understand that this is a damage control talking point.
>>1882573BUAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHA
>>1882576>>1882575post screenshot
>>1882580>Kateryna doing the "post screenshot" meme just like yesterday>>1881640OK modfag, I'll do you one better.>>1877449Your team's own documents are all linked here. Many of them explicitly state that the reworks are being made to be more realistic, or cushion it in some way like how Serov's proposal starts out by saying "we'd want to explore Ordosocialism deeper" only to then go on about just wanting things to be more like the OTL faction he led, which will just have him be a NatCom instead of a NazBol - more realistic, please enjoy the Komi rework. The same trend is repeated across many of your team's documents. So don't even try this talking point on us. No one is going to fall for it.
>>1882582>control+f "realism">0 results
>>1882583>Haha they didn't literally use the word realism they only said it was going to be more like what he did IRL checkmate chuddies.Cope harder, devnigger.
>>1882583Replace "realism" with "plausability" or "current standards" or whatever buzzword you've decided to use this time.
>>1882585plausability is not realismcurrent standards are not realistic either
>>1882587Thank you for explaining why you use them in your own documents all the time, Kateryna.
I just wanted to play Italy for Christ's sake, why did it all have to go this way?
>>1882588none of those words appear on the docs either
>>1882593gr8 b8 i r8 14/88
>>1882592i dont think anybody knows wtf is even going on in Italy anymore. i knew a guy who used to dev for it and after he left he said "if everybody just did his fucking job Italy would've been done ages ago"
>>1882592All reworks lead to Rome...
>>1882596Surprisingly accuratere representation of Italy, looks like the team got a little too immersed in the country they were working on.>t. wop
>>1882592This is the most recent thing we know about Fascist Italy dev.
>>1882599Look, Pikeman is OK and all compared to the others, but I feel like we end up here every year with his optimism before the next rework drops. It's always like this:>One tag goes well, one is stagnant, another is reworked>These roles switch up repeatedly (usually with Fash Italy doing a bit better than the others)>Repeat ad infinitum
>>1882532Well, as Mango said, "America is already a white supremacist nation so the Americans electing him [Rockwell] wouldn't change anything."This was about a TCT mod where Rockwell eventually managed to become President of the USA in 1972 and Mango HATED it. Seems obvious as to why there's no far right candidate anymore.
>>1882625unironically true
>>1882625What a fag.
>>1882625>America is already a white supremacist nation so the Americans electing him [Rockwell] wouldn't change anythingThese 'people' are insane.
>>1881673>>1881681>>1881686>>1881692>>1882573>>1882580>>1882583>TNO dev joins discussion to defend Corn's honor>Dares anon to guess his identity>Deflects after someone links them to their TNOcord way of talking, never denies like they did with the generic "you're a dev" accusation>Leaves>Uses the same arguments the next day>Deflects again, never denies like they do with the usual generic dev accusation>Derails topic once everyone catches on and tries to act wackyCan /vst/ confirm that one of their moderation leads is tasked with monitoring this thread?
>>1882867It's just how these sheltered radlibs are. When everyone's Hitler then there's suddenly no difference between Nixon (who supported desegregation) and Rockwell (actual literal nazi).
>>1882885pretty sure it's just bait
>>1882893More like a false positive but it really makes you think. Who other than a janny would go out of their way to defend the jannies? Could it be one of the other ones?
>>1882906for me it just looks like a troll trying to rile us up
>>1882919>Only trolls and devniggers make pro-devnigger postsDire.
Anyone enjoyed the Malaya proxy? I liked it as Guangdong, shame. Well, it's getting scrapped and reworked for something else. Enjoy nothing chuddie
>>1883101I can already tell where this is going. We're looking at another Serov situation. A Trojan rework horse.>Let's remove this one thing>Oh, now that we've removed a foundational pillar, I guess we have no choice but to rework itSerov was removed from Komi to justify reworking everything else they hate like Tabby. By removing one of the ways you handle your early research as Guangdong they might be angling to start chipping away at it and destroy it as well. There's no secret that they hate Guangdong after all. Not as much as Burgundy and Tabby of course, but it has no foundation in reality and is another one of those tags that "make no sense" because there's nothing about it on Wikipedia. Mark my words: a Guangdong rework will be leaked before the end of next year.Also yes anon, I did like the proxy.
>>1883101Sick! (Sick!)Of! (Of!)You!I'm so sick, so sick of youSick! (Sick!)Of! (Of!)You!I'm so sick, so sick of you...
>>1883106You're reaching, anon.
>>1883101Is this the first case of Japanese plot armor?
>>1883101nothing new, we already knew that since at least last year
>>1883150I agree that it sounds unlikely but this is a team that is reworking literally everything and often in extremely self-destructive wars. It'd be perfectly consistent for them to shoot themselves in the foot like that. The only thing that speaks strongly against it is that the Asia team is nowhere near as bad as the Reich, Russia or US ones.
>>1883101b-but i was having fun
>>1883206No fun allowed, anon.
>>1883207the thing that bothers me the most is not that it's going to be deleted which sure it's bad but it's a minor conflict anyway, it's that people are going to waste their time "fixing" something that already works. such a shame
>>1883209>50,000 american troops, tanks, and helicopters entering japanese territorial waters uncontestedit doesn't really work, america directly intervening doesn't make any sense when you stop to think about it
>>1883213India is... like right there? you cant convince me they wouldnt help the americans to arrive there
>>1883216india is not that pro-ofn
>>1883217but they are that anti-Japan
>>1883218more like anti azad hind, after peaceful unification they'll apparently be cps aligned in most pathsbut even then how would they helpthis is all cps territorial waters
>>1883222coming from the west would be much easier than coming from the est
>>1883213I hope your family endures painful battles with cancer, devnigger.
>>1883224anon that's the west i'm pointing at how would thousands of us soldiers get there without any ships spotting themnow that i think about it philippines proxy doesn't make much sense either
>>1883229Stop you nigger piece of shit stop fucking removing proxies you took months to make no one gives a shit you make up the lore you fix itholy shit man you are a plague. if you dont like the malaya proxy then fix it dont remove it. same for the fucking filipinos and same for fucking finland. but no, no fun allowed. fuck you you literally make up the lore, then a year later you say it sucks and remove what was already there
>Devnigger comes here to explain why he thinks it's awesome that they're cutting another functional war>Realizes that the same autistic retard logic applies to another perfectly functional conflictGet ready for another content cut, lads. Only a matter of time until they delete the mod itself.
>>1883233i'm not a dev this is just something i thought of when i first played tno many times ago and i've complained about it many times now
>I'm not a dev, I'm just another regular fan of the video game "Hearts of Iron Four" by "Paradox Interactive", fellow anon!>I just agree with everything they do and hope they cut even more wars!
>>1883229>President kennedy, it appears the soviet union has sent hundreds of missles into Cuba>not to worry, that's simply impossible, those are our waters!
>>1883238wow i cant have my own opinions anymore cool>>1883239one thing is material aid, another thing entirely is sending thousands of troops (what do you think volunteers are)
>>1883240those missles... were manned, you know that right?
Does this nigger not know who operated all that Soviet equipment on Cuba?
>>1883242>>1883243cuba was also a sovereign country, malaya is an insurgency not the same case at all
>>1882463People play video games to escape the grind of life, not immerse themselves further in it.Unless they're German.
>>1883245>World powers can't send troops there because... That'd be against international law!!
>>1883229Isn't there an entire mission where you have to break the IJN control over the Philippines just so that you can send one (1) division? Id understand if you could send ten of them but one seems reasonable enough.
>>1883256NO FUN ALLOWED, ANON!
>>1883257Of course anon. I forgot that wars are extremely unrealistic in the modern age and no country would ever engage in one so that's why the TNO team is cutting the italo-turkish war.
How are gonna justify removing Soviet and Balkan partisans from the lore cause Germany needs even more plot armor for their epic narrative and storytelling?
>>1883265They'll just do what they're doing to Ostland and many others: delete everything, start over from scratch with a generic collaborator regime that never does anything (but adds "flavor"), rebrand the cut as "exciting new content" and call it a day.
>>1883265They said many times that partisans still existing is a gameplay concession and that realistically they'd all be dead or too small to do anything substantial.
>>1883268Oh nice, along with that and the OFN invading Germany in Antarctica with 0 "realistic consequences" we now have two gameplay concessions. How about you keep thinking like that instead of deleting content?
>>1883271>youNigga I never said I agreed with that stop seeing devs everywhere.
>>1883273Oh sorry I thought you were the same guy from before.
>watch some memes and old tno vids>want to play it>remember that i played everything already and there's zero new shit since 2021welp
Sooner or later they will REWOOORK Guangdong out of the game lmao
>>1883283Place your bets: what will the inevitable Guangdong rewoooork look like now that OPAsian can't shut it down?My bet is that the tag will just be deleted and turned into a generic IJN occupation that eventually gets handed over to a generic Chinese collaborator.
>>1883352if this happens it's going to happen in a looooong time, i hope the team collapses before that
>>1883356Same. It's practically inevitable too given how most of them hate each other already. Imagine what a few more months of them being miserable together will do.
>>1883352>>1883356>>1883360how???? the team loves guangdong they hold is as the model for country design
>>1883361Tell that to Daffy reworking the icons, nigger. The rework is happening.>muh modelYes, OTL Wikiscrape Mexico with zero conventional gameplay is inspired by AnCap Japanese corporate-controlled China that fights wars to gain research data for their guns. This makes perfect sense.
>>1883366how tf is an icon rework an excuse for a removal????we were complaining a few months ago about how many countries were copying guangdong what happened?
>>1883369NTA but we were complaning how they were failing at actually making something as good as Guandong while also copying Guandong.
>>1883369Lies. We were complaining about talentless retards trying - and failing - to imitate Guangdong. Also yes, them reworking the graphics can be seen as a step in a rework. If it was any other mod like KR we'd just assume it was them updating them. But since TNO is outright gleeful to delete Burgundy and Tabby it's hardly a stretch to assume that Guangdong - another "unrealistic" tag - is on the chopping block.
When will y'all realize Guangdong is not a pillar of "realism"? Buncha retardsIt was literally repeated over and over by Opasian before and after release, GNG is not a realistic tag and would not realistically exist, but they wanted to explore a story set in the setting they created. GNG is internally consistent with itself and the world around it and that's all that matters. Understand?The tag is a pillar of good narrative, if suffering from overzealous bloat by people too confident in their ability to make people interested in being bombarded by 3 events per week. However, Mexico does this worse, and is also less interesting. Mexico is not GNG but less well made, it is a different kind of beast. I like the intention, I like the team, and the demo wasn't bad, but it did miss the mark somewhat. But we need to understand that Guangdong is not a pillar of what the "realism clique could be" or what they aspire to. It is in a perfect balance between what came before and the realism advocates. It belongs to neither side because it accepts itself as what it is. This is why a rework or a scrapping is feasible, though unlikely. By associating it with what goes on right now you are doing it a disservice. *Guangdong is the opposite of the realism clique*
>>1883385We know, anon. That's why we keep saying: these niggers keep trying to replicate Guangdong without understanding why it worked. Hence, Mexico demo. But thank you for explaining why Lamounier, Kateryna, Corn and Mango want to delete it and replace it with the worst horseshit known to man.
>>1883366It is inspired by Guangdong in the worst possible way.Overengineered, retarded GUI minigames that don't change anything in game and misery porn events. That's the lesson they learnt from Guangdong. Not that TNO thrives when it explores the consequences of WW2, gives the player some agency and lets him send volunteers to wars worldwide, instead of scraping Wikipedia pages.
>>1883497I found mexico's events more sarcastic in tone than tragic though
>>1878559>the civil war is getting removedAre they fucking insane
>>1883805You must be new here. Removing the GCW has been the foundation for the German rework. They tried to deny for years that it'd have any impact but in the year of our lord 2024 after they'd chased out or demoted anyone that was reasonable they started to just rework all tags affected by its removal from scratch while doing damage control about it. Fun fact: the old Moskowien design docs were hundreds of pages long and the current one linked in the sticky is a fraction of that so just keep that in mind any time a devnigger starts to bring out buzzwords like "the old content wasn't well-designed". Rework highlights include:>GCW replaced with a mini game; this changes nothing when convenient (OFN invasion of German Antarctica) but also changes everything when convenient (rebooting all RKs again)>Himmler supposedly getting his own path, actually just a Trojan horse for deleting Burgundy>Reworked Goering that's just a TWR ripoff>Nothing ever happensThey've been at this for almost four years with no end in sight and all of it just to remove content and rework every old tag in the game.
WHEN I SAY PANZER YOU SAY SORRYPANZER
>>1883842SORRY!
I hope they release Bormann the moment it's done and don't wait for Speer.
>>1883858>Bormann (demo) is finished in 2026>They release what they have and won't wait for Speer>We've now gone from four German routes on release to two German routes all the way down to one German route with less gameplayThis sounds so fucking awful they might just do it if Lamounier can get his retarded ass out of the Doki long enough to finish Bormann (never happening).
>>1883866I don't care I'll take it. The indomitable vision of Martin Bormann and the NSDAP Party Chancellery must be realized.
>>1883868Bruh it'll just be ten years of misery porn without any wars. Plus they're reworking all the RKs except Ukraine to just be mostly static collaborators so you're not even going to have any interactions in Europe any more. Fighting France is being removed, Red Italy never, 2WRW never and nothing but shitty mini games. They've all confirmed this too so there's literally nothing to look forward to. They're doing your boy dirty is what I'm saying.
>>1883870Nigga I played the leaked build, that shit was awesome. You won't convince me it's shit.
>>1883871Bruh that was before the latest slew of additional reworks across all of Europe as proven by the Mosk doc leak. Anything before The Ruin might as well not have happened.Tons of that stuff is gone. You're getting Mexico with a German coat of paint.
>>1883875I don't get how that affects Bormann. The wars you're talking about are 5 minute wars with no challenge at all.
>>1883876Because they changed their design philosophy on a fundamental level. A lot of the content made in 2021 isn't compatible with the changes made in 2023 and the "current standards" introduced with the Britain rework and Sea Lion 2. It's not just the wars being cut, it's the entire vision that comes with all these reworks which are now bleeding back into Germany. This is why it's taking them half a decade to get even one German route done. They keep having to start over and that's why that leaked build from before isn't indicative of "current standards".
>>1883880Anon, the build is from 2023.
>>1883881Yes and a lot in it was made after 2021. The big design changes happened in late 2023 with, again, The Ruin. It's now been a full year of reworks since then and you're kidding yourself if you don't think Germany has been hit hard.In simpler terms: every time they drastically change their foundations everything built on top of it has to be rebuilt.
>>1883883I guess we'll see. Everything I've seen until now has been good, so I have no reason to assume Bormann has been cucked as bad as you're saying.
>>1883887Name a single other thing in Reich that hasn't been cucked to shit by all these endless reworks. You can't, because they haven't. The old leaked stuff was cool, but do you also know what was cool? The old Moskowien proposals which were completely gutted by the newest rework which changed literally everything. You know what was fun? The old Ostland reworks with shit that included Jeckeln pulling an African Devastation on the whole region, literally all of it gutted in favor of the new content which is just static collabs doing nothing. That's why we shouldn't trust anything we saw in the old builds to be there. None of it was, after all, "up to current standards".
>>1883278>i did start playing>quit after regional unification because it was so fucking boring
>>1883890>Name a single other thing in Reich that hasn't been cucked to shit by all these endless reworks.So far, Bormann and Speer.>Moskowien, OstlandI haven't played those so I can't comment on them. I form my opinions based on what I play, not on word documents. No offense.
>>1883896Everything you play is based on what's in those documents and everything in the RKs from the build you played has since been radically changed with the vision for Germany changing with it. All I'm saying is, we have pretty good reasons to be pessimistic given how everything else has gone over the past year in particular.
>>1883920Yeah but the RKs don't really matter to Germany's gameplay outside of the initial reconquest. It's a weird thing to get hung upon.
>>1883923It's not a weird thing to get hung up on. Damn near everything has changed. CWs and reconquests cut, lore updated, everything's now altered, Germany now has plot armor to facilitate a "new and improved" narrative and a gameplay loop that's now fundamentally changed because everything in Germany's sphere has changed. If you can't understand how this is going to fundamentally change all the content made in 2021-22 that was in the build you played then I don't know what to tell you. Just don't be surprised when the update finally drops in 2027 and it's nothing like what you were promised in 2023, which in itself is nothing like what they're making in 2024.
>>1877998>troon was started it all>i don't miss Panzer EitherA bit reductant giving panzer is trooned out.
>>1878117TNO will be like AGCEEP, VIP, Magna Mundi and Divergencies of Darkness and be completely forgotten about with future Paradox releases.
>>1883956lol true
>>1880973>belovedDemented.
>>1878597yes, it gives a chance for all the occupied RK's to have multiple paths for both collabs, rk's and freedom fighters but dev niggers can't make an interesting scenario for the life of them so RK's will forever remain RK's and nothing changes no matter if the player plays them or not.
>>1878777can't wait for the Panama teaser next or whatever random fucking country they post that nobody gives a shit about.
>>1884150not truethey can also become reichsprotektorats
>>1884154The pointYour empty head
>>1879494SAW not starting ww3 makes sense when germany is too busy fighting itself in open warfare, not when there is a power struggle, the African RK's are dejure annexed directly into the reich so the OFN is literally invading Germany from a in universe persepective.
>>1884155the baityour open mouth
>>1884157>the African RK's are dejure annexed directly into the reichThat's not how RKs work.
>>1884160i'm pretty sure that's literally how they work
>>1881638I got banned for doing this exact thing, whats your next lie, nigger?
>>1884164They're occupation regimes, not a formal part of Germany. They're not on the same level as say Bavaria or Silesia. They're more similar to british or french colonies but not entirely.
>>1884168bet you got banned for having 1488 in your bio or saying shit like wallace wasn't racist lmao
>>1884174I got banned for saying I hated the new mexico content, Either the moderators are anal or the devs are hostile to criticism, I don't but 1488 or george wallace stuff in a bio because I don't belive in those stuff. You realise that 4chan isn't /pol/? you dumn spear chucking nigger.
>>1884159Devniggers literally believe this.>>1879904>>1879907Look at this content and this exchange. The war they're adding has one singular, railroaded outcome in practice. It makes perfect sense for a devnigger to say "oh no you can be a German puppet too" as an argument. If it's a troll, then what the hell does that say about the actual state of the devniggers?>>1884172>Germany will be fine with being invaded because this clay is not literally the same as things more directly controlled by GermanyTalmudic.
>>1884180Never said that, I just pointed out that's not what RKs are.
>>1883890Can you say what the Moskowien paths were? I must have missed the old doc leak
>>18842455 main paths: Helldorf, Von Saucken, Oetker/Globocnik, Kaminski and Oktan (afaik all of them are still in with their broader narrative intact except Saucken which is replaced by Stauffenberg).Helldorf had a shit ton of subpaths (Successful Helldorf, BMW Corporatocracy, Abwehr securocracy, Wehrmacht coup, Ultranat guy who engages in a global weapon black market, Krupp Corporatocracy and Strasserite takeover).
>>1884245There was a document for Helldorf that was in the stickies before the new leak replaced it. It was 100+ pages and the sub-routes included an UltraNat arms trader, Krupp corporatocracy, some less horrible corporate route and a collaborator route. There were some more that I don't remember but they all had at least a dozen pages devoted to them. The document also listed some funny ideas that they weren't sure they could use, like having a NazBol route. You'd also have a lot of fail states from the civil war, and the three other major routes (military dictatorship, SS feudalism and Kaminski). All of this was deleted for some "muh evil nazis r le corrupt" memes taken out of their planned Goering rework, lul.
>>1884254Pic of the current main paths btw
>>1884254>>1884256What sort of crack have the devs smoked to remove this it sounds fun af
>>1884259So linear you may as well not play the game.
>>1884288uhhhh scope creep, weird plotholes about goebbels's death, innacuracies about how the corporations in mosk work and some paths depending on an invasion of kaukasien which doesn't work with new kaukasien loreI think that's what they said>>1884292tbf that's just the starting 2 years
>>1884295Scope creep is the only one I can get behind but even then if I knew this is what the wait was for I wouldn't complain ngl
>>1884259ok so we either have bureaucrat 1/2 or a choice between wehrmacht/ probably bureaucrat oktancool
>>1884259Thrilling gameplay.
>>1884288Worse than crack, they're high on their own farts.>>1884304>We're worried about scope creep>Let's delete years of work and start over from scratch>See you in a few years!Also lmao fucking TNO devs and their rework chains. I didn't even know about the Kaukasien lore rework but that sounds very on-point for them to rework a tag from scratch and have that ripple on to require another rework.>>1884309You can read the full document in the OP. All of them except the Wehrmacht reformist are NatSoc but corrupt or NatSoc collab but also corrupt.It's a fucking shit-show.
>>1884349they were always natsoc but corrupt, read the topiary regime doc the bios haven't changed that much from that doc
>>1884356Old documents were more extensive and had greater depth than that but thanks for trying to do damage control for this utter fucking downgrade that only kept and doubled down on the least interesting stuff they could've!
>>1884383it's not damage control, just pointing out that they haven't changed much
>Old and new leak are nothing alike>"they haven't changed much at all, anon!"I have devniggers and devnigger apologists so much it's unreal.
Can't this dev defender guy be more original? ong don't yall notice its one guy always who also rarely boosts his own msgs like a retard? Also hi bulgarian berserk fan
>>1884403just checked it, how are they nothing alike? the descriptions in the newer doc are more literary but that's it>>1884414not really defending the devs, just pointing out that the previous anon was wrong, they were always corrupt nazis doing corrupt things
>>1884424THAT'S NOT THE OLD DOCUMENT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU FUCKING RETARD! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRE-REWORK SHIT FROM LAST YEAR THAT WAS HUNDREDS OF PAGES LONG YOU UTTER FUCKING MORON!
>>1884424>What are you talking about anon these two drafts of the same document look nearly identical to me!
>>1884428we were talking about the document in the op and the topiary regime one and those were the ones I put in the image (plus the collaborator doc bc they don't have descriptions in the topiary one)>>1884432it's not the same document, left is the new one, right are the topiary regime and collaborator docs
>>1884433Fuck off devnigger you have no idea what we're talking about. We're talking about the old Helldorff document with all the funny shit. The fact that both versions you're posting has Foka's bullshit about reworking Samara to move Oktan to Moskowien proves that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Leave the thread and stop wasting everyone's time you inane cunt.
>>1884435???we weren't talking about thatanon posted the new flowchartanother anon replied to ityou told him to read the doc in op, saying they're all now corrupt nazisI corrected you saying that they were always corrupt, they didn't change from the old docs in that regard, and told you to check the doc of the previous version of the reworkyou then deflected accusing me of damage control and being a dev and said the documents were noting alikeI then posted the pic comparing the two to prove that they were, in fact, very much alikewe were never talking about the helldorf doc at all
>>1884439NO YOU DUMB CUNT!We're comparing that new content to the OLD CONTENT! That's why people were talking about BMW and Krupp's dictatorships! You retard! You've misunderstood everything! Just fuck off! Stop replying! You don't understand anything!>we were never talking about the helldorf doc at all>>1884245>>1884254>>1884256It's literally the entire premise of the conversation you stupid cunt. The chart was posted in response to that. God you devniggers are so fucking stupid no wonder you fuck up everything.
>>1884443anon the topiary regime doc I'm refering to is old content, it's the old version of the mosk design docthe flowchart doesn't have anything to do with helldorf's subpaths at all, it refers to the new mosk early game and main paths>ok so we either have bureaucrat 1/2 or a choice between wehrmacht/ probably bureaucrat oktan>You can read the full document in the OP. All of them except the Wehrmacht reformist are NatSoc but corrupt or NatSoc collab but also corrupt.this refers to the main paths, not helldorfs subpaths
>>1884445Yes, the flowchart has nothing to do with Helldorf's OLD PRE-REWORK SUBPATHS because they are the REWORKED content you literal retard. Kill yourself.
>>1884446you were saying that the new design made the characters (helldorf, kaminski, oktan) corrupt nazisI corrected you saying that they were always like thathelldorf's old subpaths have nothing to do with this
>>1884448Oktan wasn't part of that version dipshit. You're talking about a different rework. This is literally years apart you retard. Seriously, why are you devniggers so fucking stupid?
>>1884453what doc were you talking about exactly? why didn't you mention it earlier?
>>1884460I hope to fucking God you're trolling us and that you aren't this utterly fucking dense.
>>1884463can you just answer the question? what document are you referring to that says helldorf and kaminski aren't corrupt?
>>1884463stop feeding the troll you idiot, everyone can see that he's fucking retarded, no need to get so worked up.
Philippine submod teaser
>>1884527>Not made by chinksIt will never release..
>>1884414Hello, Argentinian Berserk fan
>>1881640>>1882580>>1884466>pls post a hyper-specific screenshot explicitly stating X otherwise devniggers win and reworks are awesomeFucking Kateryna is at it again.
>>1884760in no way I defended the devs or the reworks, I just corrected a minor mistake that guy made and he decided to go apeshit at me for no reason at all. when he refused to go back on what he said I asked for proof to substantiate his claim as he kept insisting I was the one who was mistaken but he refused
There is no greater example of Gameplay and Story Segregation in TNO than the South African War, in-lore it's supposed to be this big, grueling conflict but in reality the player easily crushes the RKs with a handful tank division.How long until it's nixed and banished to the GUI realm?
>>1884785Until the inevitable integration of DV.
>>1884787Never happening. Rapop is going to become the new lead dev and he said he opposes it.
>>1884769Fuck off, Kateryna.>>1884785As soon as Africa dev is revived. It's on the top of their priority list for that region after "deleting the Reichsstaat".>>1884787>>1884801Nah it's totally happening and Rapoop is a lying nigger. You're retarded if you believe a word he says and might as well kill yourself. At least Mango is honest about his desire to kill the mod.
>>1877887Is it still developed? I've played it when the demo dropped and it was somewhat fun
>>1884822People seemed to love it last thread.
>>1884806If the Reichsstaat is removed so the the three rks can have full ten year content so Hutting's investigations can actually mean something or there is some fun interesting mechanics for them then yeah, remove the Reichsstaat. But removing the Reichsstaat for otl bs or something stupid like the old colonies being just a gui mini game of winning colonies over to the OFN government in exile or the pact puppet government would be beyond stupid. But just saying that I know the devs would do something that stupid.
>>1884806You still havent posted the screenshot
The RKs shouldn't exist, TFO's setup makes much more sense and should be adopted by TNO.
>The devnigger is baiting again
>>1884944honestly this. i dont mind the state they are in right now but it could be improved for sure, i just dont trust this team to improve them
>>1884944I wouldn't mind a facelift but knowing how TNO devs operate they'd cut the colonies outrights and the SAW with it. Whatever gets put there will be a largely static non-German colonial tag that's quickly railroaded into OTL post-colonial African states (but this time it works out better somehow).
>TNO getting mogged by bronies againDevniggers can't stop taking Ls. Do they have a humiliation fetish or something?
>>1884976devs actually like the pony mod though
>>1884979maybe they should take some inspiration from it then
>>1884986>Devniggers>Learning from their betterslmao
>>1884959>>1884965It would just be misery porn and over complicated guis. The wrong lessons learned from Guangdong. I don't think the African rks or even south Africa needs those over complicated guis. There is a big war, the saw. There should obviously be more wars after it. The PALF are canonically one of the main threats of Kongo or Mittelafrika or whatever it's called. Have the PALF try and start shit later, or have a wave of insurgencies and even rebellions to fight. You don't need to go full africa addio tnd to make it interesting. Just give the player a drip feed of wars, buttons to press, and borrow a page from Ukraine and have some vague export to Germany requirement. That's it. They are not broken by any means, they just need to be expanded because even the old tno devs took an interesting premise and railroaded it to be declonization.
>>1885003I agree with everything there but I think we both know that it'd just be a two year GUI that railroads you into de-colonization and no wars allowed. Fun fact there were devs on the team that wanted to add a PALF-Reichsstaat mega war way back. Obviously it all got shut down around the time Burgundy was scheduled for deletion and everyone left in leadership positions just want to cut everything these days.
>>1885003this plus it needs more political intrigue
>>1885014You could get some good intrigue and political shake-ups going from the investigations alone I think. Another opportunity squandered by devniggers.
I do think the RK's could be done better. Both being smaller territory wise and stronger in some way to actually be able to handle South Africa, which realistically (bad word I know) would crush them fairly quickly. Since the GCW is getting scrapped just have Germany send strong supports and a lot of troops but not as many as they could due to ""internal situation"" or rebellions in Europe or whatever. Maybe have the Germs have local collaborators offering troops or allies or whatever. Keep the current structure but prop it up a little ig. They are not gonna do anything about it though since theres no one devving it. And if they did they would just butcher it so
>Thread hit bump limit>No news, only leak is confirming that a war releasing in a few years has no stakes>Every post is either fans saying the mod's gotten worse or devniggers sneering at people who want gameplayThe mod is so fucking dead dude.
How is team morale these days anyway? Is everyone happy in their echo chamber or what?
>>1885112Not so much. There's a lot of stupid bickering that occurs in public that its clear that things are much worse behind the scenes.
>>1885300Can you give any examples? Is it like all the Yugo fights? What are they fighting about?
Everyone in the team happy and working hard, don't listen to that chud's lies.
Good to know that the five year rework plan is going well, comrade!
>>1885300I always assumed they were in a constant state of bliss over things because if anyone seriously disagreed with the current direction (full genre shift, removing all wars, reworking every single tag) they'd be gone by now or just really good at hiding in plain sight.
Remember when "Brazil in October fr fr" was the devnigger cope? I sure do.
>>1885427rapop is working very hard please understand
>>1885433This must be really old since there's a Covid reference there, isn't it?
>>1885436it's literally from yesterday I just took the screenie
>>1885437That's honestly even worse. If it was a year old that'd be one thing but after a 2024 with nothing but failrures, internal political fighting, purges, botched reforms and endless reworks under Mango's reign he should feel embarrassed just to write something that stupid. He won't of course since he has zero self-awareness but you know, he should.
>>1885433What was two months ago? Also please screenshot more funny things.
>>1885444mexico releasefor context someone was complaining there hasn't been an update for 2 months.>Also please screenshot more funny things.no problem
>>1885449>2 monthsIt's funny because the Mexico demo was originally meant to be a part of the Brazil release, they just threw out some crumbs early because they botched the Brazil release.>Mango supports all DemsAh yes, like any radical hardcore communist would. Not a radlib at all.
>>1885449How much was he seething when he wrote that?
>>1885467He's always seething.They're always seething.
>>1885484wow quoproquid is actually being reasonable for once in the last one
>>1885488More like least bad since he's repeating the "it was never a wargame" hoax. At least he isn't hostile to them.
>>1885492he's saying that it has never featured it heavily which is technically true, wars were never the focus of the mod and rather were used to serve the narrative
>>1885495Disagree, that's like saying 2WK in KR or the ACW is just there for narrative. On release the mod had several big and small wars and half the mod went through CWs. The mod just had more downtime. The idea that wars aren't a focus is a retcon that follows years of content cuts and reworks.
>>1885501eh I disagreewars in tno were always speedbumps or plot devices to move the story forward (guyana, gcw, europe reconquest, english civil war and uk reunification, long yun's rebellion as china, algerian rebellion as iberia) save for some exceptions where they take a primary role (russian warlords, long yun, saw as the reichstaat/south africa)
I laugh at the idea alone that there's probably some tard with a pride flag and a Che Guevara flag next to each other, unironically playing new TNO and enjoying it
>>1885310>>1885386It's nothing really specific I can name as they're not really fighting over things, but the devs are rather snippy towards each other even over the more basic things when things get talked about in public. It's as if every other comment seems to spark some off comment that's insulting.
>>1885521So just a generally toxic atmosphere? Makes sense that it'd get worse over the years especially considering how cliquey that place always has been.
Only post of the announcement channel in months is them promoting charity lmao
>>1885506>Speed bumps and plot devices>Huge wars that sometimes span years and involve armies of hundreds of thousands of peopleThis is insane. Again many of these wars are larger than things like the Balkan Wars and ACW in Kaiserreich and sure last longer. If they'd just finished GAW and 2WRW for it then you could have had a pacing that would be like a marathon version of a regular game. The reason we'll never get that isn't because this was never the case but because they decided to rework all majors and now Russia from scratch, indefinitely postpone things like the 2WRW, cut or gimp tons of wars like the GCW, The Russo-Finnish War and all the Oil Crisis wars, and so on and so forth.My point: TNO started out as a relatively normal mod with a healthy amount of meaningful conventional HOI4 gameplay and all of this was gradually deleted the more original devs left or were chased out to the point where post-Mango hijack the mod's not even going to be a wargame at all in the long run (assuming they finish their reworks jej).
>>1885571>SheTranny surgery scam. Calling it.
>>1885573gcw lasts a year at most and the long yun rebellion is a nothingburger unless a player controls it, the rest are 1 minute wars, what are you talking about
>>1885575>Using the post-release fixed timetable for GCW as a metric and not the V1.0 edition>SAW lasts one minute despite sometimes lasting a decade>The Russian unification wars last one minute despite sometimes lasting years too>Iberian collapse lasts one minute when it can go on for yearsAll these wars and many more that were added later like the WAC are all normal wars that are perfectly well within the line of how most wars in HOI4 tend to function: a conflict that can last several months to a few years between peer or near peer rivals. There's also the fact that 2WRW and GAW were meant to be big deals but obviously never became because the mod self destructed after the coup.So yes, anon. V1.0 TNO was definitely built with wars in mind and could be played and enjoyed like a perfectly normal HOI4 mod in that regard. Rapoop is basically just says that Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia when he claims otherwise. This is something that him and his friends deliberately caused gradually through endless reworks.
>>1885608gcw hasn't changed that much since releaseI made a point about separating russian reunification and the saw from speedbump warsiberian wars is another exception but I don't think it really counts since it's a somewhat rare failstatemy point is that wars were never the focus of tno but rather a complement to spice up the gameplaycompare it with other mods where the content is about gearing up for a big, final war
>>1885692Ah, I get it. You're having a laugh.But yeah, having a big final war was the point of TNO, but it'll never happen because of your namesake and Corn, lmao.
The TNO devnigger dilemma.>Never release anything and die a slow death>Release content everyone will hate and accelerate the death of your hijacked modIt's funny because even their internal documents like Vote Pig demand that everything's kept secret because of how hated it'll be so they can't even pretend that things will be popular.
>>1884785Any updates from the Heldevolk submod yet? Weren't they tackling the South African war?
>>1886029Probably got impaled over its ambition to integrate into TNO.
>>1885608You're right. Who could forget the brutal and thrilling gameplay of the Invasion of Guyana and encircling the Afrika Korps with overpowered helicopter divisions
>Since TNO had short wars and exploits to VP rush the AI, the long wars don't matter and I'm happy Mango is deleting all of themThe absolute state of TNO shills.
>>1886084>>V1.0 TNO was definitely built with wars in mind and could be played and enjoyed like a perfectly normal HOI4 mod in that regard>point out that content for two of the three superpowers (because japan being a nothingburger is a given) was all boring dogshit>>you love big brother mango and his VN tyranny!!!Take your autism meds and calm down. It appears you're conflating my post with the people in your head that you're arguing with.
Bruh your defense at this point is saying that the wars don't matter because you could trick the AI using exploits. Might as well say that there are no wars in vanilla because you can just delall GER. This is on the same level as the time the devniggers said that nuking cities don't matter because they aren't canon.
>>1886092I'm not sure what the argument of the devniggers hiding in your walls is, but mine is that the mod from the start was Panzer's Visual Novel Deradicalization Training and that oversights like being able to easily win the Vietnam War allegory with volunteer divisions is a big sign that the "standard HOI4 experience" was an afterthought everywhere except Russia. I don't know how that somehow means I pledge my undying loyalty to Mango's Clique. Again, maybe you need to take your autism meds to realize that not everyone who replies to you is the same person.
Are devniggers proud of the fact that they killed the mod or are they still in denial?
Another TFO USA teaser.
>>1886285>Only boring centrists in the pie chartSure look forward to the demo that's a choice between a generic Democrat and a generic Republican that do literally nothing interesting.
>>1886285>George Romneythat's a... very interesting choice for president, a bit too moderate for this scenario imo but it is intriguing that's for sure. also i NOTICE that Kissinger in bottom left (if that's him im not sure)
>>1886298Romney is le moderate man but he is also incompetent especially when it comes to PR, i hope the devs know this and make the scenario funny
>>1886300They aren't because Big Weld is a clone of Mango and Corn. You're not getting anything even remotely interesting.
>>1886301after all the ideology is called "responsible republicanism", imagine the damage of a "responsible" and generally bipartisan presidency crash and burn. i need to stop fantasizing about actually interesting things though because they're never happening
>>1886308No I agree, it could be a good setup but we know who the people making it are and they're going all-in on nothing ever happening. When the demo drops, it's going to make Kalterkrieg look like Red Flood in terms of wacky excitement.
>>1886299Yeah and also I think the head of government is Rumsfeld.
APOLOGIZE
>>1886344>you can get wholsum Democrat I agree with or le evil RepubliKKKan NeoKKKon I disagree with>why yes I voted for Obama, Hillary and Biden how can you tell?>TDS in captcha
