Is there a modern strategy game that caused more damage to the perception of historically accurate medieval combat?>bows are inferior to crossbows, the latter can easily penetrate steel armor>if you put plate on, you move like a turtle>pikemen don't use pikes
>>1879272>bowmen are piss cheap and fast to produce unlike crossbowmenAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>modern2001 was 23 years ago anonBut basically all total war games past first medieval with the sword>spear>cav formula
>>1879281How do you beat spears realistically?
Yoooo bussin marketinghttps://x.com/fireflyworlds/status/1847270833057562975
>>1879287Muskets
>>1879301Before 1400.
>>1879272I don't think stronghold did much if any damage to modern perceptions of medieval warfare. If anything it improves them since it shows how complex fully built castles could be and the logistics involved in maintaining an army.
>>1879280Hahahhah
>>1879312More spears.
>>1879272IIIIIIIIIINFIDEEEEL
>>1879287This >>1879377I'd personally try fire but don't know how it would fare against shields.
>>1879287Artillery obsoleted pike and shot squares which were the last true spear meta IRL.
>>1879394>gun beats spear>big gun beats gunHow do we beat big gun, bros?
>>1879272>>if you put plate on, you move like a turtleYou dont move slower but you drain your stamina faster, nobody would want to manage a stamina bar on units though.
>>1879290what hentai dub this is?
>>1879403I asked something similar recently, see >>>/a/272294830 .
>>1879280bows are simpler to make but training an archer is harder than a crossbowman so yeahthis game doesn't take training into account
>Is there a modern strategy game that caused more damage to the perception of historically accurate medieval combat?Total War, obviously.
>>1879403It's a triangle, so spear beats big gun.
>>1879272>the best strategy is to buy a bunch of black slaves with torches and burn everythingI dunno, seems accurate
>>1879403Quick Horse
>>1879272It's satire.
crusader remaster when?????
>>1879795Nah isn't it horse archers
>>1879816Citation needed
>>1879272>monks are fat kung-fu fu masters
>>1879403Immigrants
>>1879403Bigger gun, obviously
>>1879819It's most likely in the works or finished already. But because its a direct upgrade to stronghold there is no reason to push it now.
>>1879673>It's a triangle, so spear beats big gun.Bayonet charge the arty emplacement. BANZAAAAI
>>1880088This & love.
>>1880191Which strategy games allow me to employ love?
>>1880428The SimsThe Sims 2The Sims 3The Sims 4
>>1880428soulstorm playing as sororitas
>>1880444How!?
>>1880510the entire acts of faith system, i would argue
>>1879287longer spearsflankingartillery
Arrows should beat spears. If hoplites were still popular (or Roman legionnaires), then that counter wouldn't exist, but apparently in the dark ages/during most of medieval warfare, they decided big shields are too expensive to hand out to peasants. Just here's a sharp stick and die, maybe scare away some horses.
>>1879287The Roman tactics that beat the Greeks.
>>1880579>what if we take the greek tactics>but we throw our spears in their shields and then stab them in meelee range with our swords that can also slash(tm)
Stronghold Crusader redpilled me into Islam as a white European kid. Got bullied by classmates afterwards since it was just after 9/11.
>>1881260interpol, watch out for this chuddie
>>1881260insallah
>>1879287Throwing spear beats static spear.
>>1879287archer spam like the mongols
>>1880551Seriously, imagine if spearmen kept using shields. They would be unbeatable. Shield counters their arrow weakness, and they still deal bonus damage to horse.
>>1879287Big wall
>>1885677But spearmen deal bonus damage vs buildings (and therefore also walls) because of Arson tech
>>1885617But hoplites lose to flanking so skirmishers > heavy infantry
>>1887616What the fuck is a "skirmisher"?
>>1885617>Form testeudo and defend!
>>1880551>if hoplites were still popularVikings, Normans, Visigoths all used shield walls.Big shield tradition never died until firearms.
>>1879403Man portable mini-nvke.
>>1887688Imagine going from the ultimate safety of spear (strongest weapon in melee, the king) + shield (immune against arrows) to musket on musket combat.>okay here's how it goes, we will all form up in rectangles and just approach each other and shoot at each other and hope the other side doesn't hitMedieval combat >> early gunpowder before they invented cover systems.
>>1889375That is because reality sucks and there are no lightweight bulltet proof armour and shields like fantasy.
>>1889386Ok, but why did they not consider using the prone position to avoid getting shot?
>>1889394You can't reload an arquebuse in that position. This position was adopted as soon as it was possible in the 19th century.
Thinkin' 'bout dat arquebussy
>>1879280Cheap archers who use something like hunting bows (think archery club in Japan, those are typically popular with female students, so that must take low skill and 0 STR), low power draw basically, should be faster to train than crossbows, because to operate crossbow you need at least some IQ to reload and aim it properly
I wish there was a spergy game where you could build your own castle form your own dynasty equip your guys with extreme detail and manage your lands.Or at least manor lords with siege battles and dynastic management. Fucking useless nigger flop ass dev.
>what if Stronghold but Rollercoaster Tycoon
>>1890446W-what? Like what?You defend your park against hordes of invading customers?
>>1890449I was thinking more like recreating castles as tourist attractions like they do in Chyna but thats ok too
the objectively best missions are the one where you have an economic objective back are frequently attacked
>>1891075I wouldn't know, I only played slirmishes
How was Stronghold Crusader received in the Middle East region? Asking the many Arabic posters on /vst/. It was technically designed in a Middle East coded country.
Is there someplace somewhere where I can find unit stats down to the numbers?
I hate stronghold because when the difficulty starts to increase you start to realise that it's more of a puzzle about how to use space efficiently than a strategy game.
>>1890449Isn't that just Dungeon?
>>1889394They did go prone sometimes.It's not like everyone was fucking retarded for the entire duration of that period of warfare and you're not smarter than someone like Napoleon, and they were actually trying to win. Those tactics were adopted because they btfo out of the opponents who were not using those tactics. They didn't all decide to one day start using them because of brainworms, but because it was proven in the field.
>>1879805best answer
>>1889394In Napoleonic warfare there was a ton of skirmishing, which would have looked a lot closer to what you imagine people should've been doing (firing from cover and concealment, making an effort not to be shot) Most of the fighting was conducted this way to screen for the large formations while they jockey for position, then the "big battle" army smashing would take place.The trouble with skirmishing is that it's not decisive enough, and having men spread out on foot wasn't very compelling firepower wise with the weapons of the time. They were very vulnerable to being run down by cavalry. Imagine trying to defend yourself on foot with a musket against cuirassiers on horseback. Your friends are too separated to form a strong wall of gun and bayonet, and the cavalry steamroll through your position. Not only are the men armored, able to trample you to death and faster than you, but they also have a horse load of pistols and carbines to unload on you before galloping off to safely reload (or slash through your neck and shoulder from above). It would be like a modern drive by shooting with a hundred old civics smashing into your gangbanger buddies. Everyone always rags on musket warfare like it was retarded but it's really based.
>>1898023>it's really based.Based on what?
>>1898043based on politics
Definitive worth playing if I already have HD?
literally what autoclicker that would work for this game? also is there a mod to just straight buy siege weapons instead of the painstakingly manual clickings
>>1898049I wouldn't say it's definitive worth, but if you bought HD then you should at least try it
>>1898838Fastclicker works.
The celts invented stronghold actually, not the brits
>>1879280For the place and time period portrayed that's correct, vertical bows were for poorfag miltias not professional warriors.
>>1881260if you think being bullied is bad, just wait until you land in hell
for some reason when I was a kid I didnt know how to make bread so these games were like 1000x more intense and difficult back then since I was always just scraping by, if not in the red
Why did Stronghold Crusader never develop a multiplayer following?
>>1904018Christian beliefs are respected in Islam, minus the delusional idolatry. Jews hate you. And yet you "ally" with them/serve them to keep Islam down. Jews even respect Islamic beliefs more than you, they absolutely detest you and hate Jesus (PBUH).
>>1890304bannerlord with mods can somewhat achieve this.there was a recent mod that allows the player to build settlements (villages, castles or towns). but i assume you can only pick from a premade scenes to build your settlements. you can already have kids in the base game but there is a mod that has families view for characters.there is a mod that allows you to add a new troop tree and equip them however you wish.the game and mods are lacking in the land management aspect as far as i know though.
>>1904048please answer this >>1896163
>>1904046Because the best strategy is not to build a castle
>>1896163The Arabs I have met have liked it, but they LOVED the GLA from Generals.>>1904048>Jews hate you. And yet you "ally" with themHey! Guess who Jordan is chums with, and who the Saudis and Egyptians have established relations with?Real christians don't like 'em.
>>1904429>The Arabs I have met have liked it, but they LOVED the GLA from Generals.Uhh I find that very hard to believe
>>1904455Why? A plucky band of rebels that manage to stay on even footing against the strongest of global powers... why wouldn't they enjoy that?Unless we want to be dumb and argue that Arabs are wholly incapable of enjoying caricature, or something.
>>1904455Why? The GLA are fucking cool
>>1904489They are literally portrayed as the ultimate evil
>>1904455you better believe itI played zero hour a lot back in the day and most GLA players were either arabs or turks>>1904510bad guy aesthetics > real life morality
>>1904411I don't get it
>>1879403Swarms of bats.
>>1898838I remember taking the whole multiplayer community way too seriously and wanted to improve so much as a kid, I was such a try-hard. It was fun though, all the drama and shit talking between clans. Allegations of using a clicker software just because you knew the double finger technique, fun times.
>>1879272Some crossbows were very strong Like mini ballista
I would say crossbows are equal to bows.It’s a matter of usage.Obviously bows can be fired faster.But crossbows are often so useful.For example a large central & south European nation of girls existed that quickly weaponized many girls with crossbows. Just a peasant girl with a crossbow can do so much.
>>1906874But even the strongest ones were weaker than the biggest power draw warbow.t. history expert who learned this from Mountain Blade
>>1906875today, i'm going to post my pasta again.>1000lbs crossbow, 110j. 4.598kg.m/s (momentum unit)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHnZo6ELEV0>150lbs longbow, 130j. 4.42kg.m/s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyEc8tkGBJc&t=639>160lbs longbow, 138.65j. 4.56kg.m/shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyEc8tkGBJc&t=758here is a calculator siteenergy:https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/kinetic.phpmomentum:https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/momentum.php>>1907007based historian
>>1890446My dream is >What if Majesty: The Fantasy Kingdom Sim, but Stronghold
>>1890446Didn't RCT2 had castle walls and other medieval themed decor for one of its scenarios?
>>1904510They are funny and dunk on Team America
1) Is this game fun?2) Can it be played immediately without having to grind/learn too much shit about the systems?
>>1909702>3DPD majesty
>>1910150>1) Is this game fun?Which game? Stronghold and/or Stronghold: Crusader are pretty fun, haven't played the other games in the series but they're generally less well received. The first game (Stronghold) is a bit lacking in content because there's no skirmish mode, and the campaign has an infantile and idiotic story so I never played it. If I replay it, I only focus on building nice castles in the scenario editor for custom invasion scenarios. Stronghold: Crusader has a proper skirmish mode and two campaigns, including a historically inspired one.>2) Can it be played immediately without having to grind/learn too much shit about the systems?It's super simple to learn, the only difference compared to normal RTS games is that you have to create weapons/armor for your troops in the first game, and for European troops in Crusader. That effectively replaces the unit training time from other games. And you need to feed all your population instead of just one time food payments to make troops.
>>1909707yea
Literally what's the point of using white people in Crusader? Is there a mod that lets only Arabs recruit Arabs? How much more OP would they be?
>>1910284You should just start with a comparatively sized amount of weapons premade already in storage and enough resources to get weapon production up and running.
>>1910015Going by how the GLA is they managed to dunk on everyone. It's kind of surprising remembering how much of a chunk they took out of America and China.
>>1879544>bows are simpler to makeWeak bows for poaching small game or scaring bandits, yes.Actual warbows for punching through armors and having safe-ish range required specific type of woods and an artisan experienced with this specific type of stuff.Meanwhile crossbows were the reverse. Not something your peasant militia can just improvise if you leave them for an hour in the wood, but you will get massive power even with cheap-ish components and an artisan half-assing it.
>>1879287Bow. Longer spear. Armor
>>1910284The economy required to field Merc armies is not there early, meanwhile armory fletcher poleturner two wood cutter can be done fast
>>1911525What does the Stronghold Crusader pro-scene say about this?
I dont thing stronghold has caused any damage to the perception of historically accurate medieval combat
>>1911786Are you retarded?>people in armor move so slow that they can be outrun by an elderly cripple>crossbows pierce steel plate/are superior damage to bows, and bows require less training>spearmen not only have no bonuses vs cavalry, they are so weak they lose to a woodcutter (an unarmored guy with an axe made for chopping wood, not a battle axe) in 1v1, no reach, the spear is for digging duh>macemen
>>1911808I genuinely thought this was talking about the Lords of the Realm game series. Its the exact same things done before Stronghold.
>>1911808It's satire. Why do you think soldiers can attack walls and break them.
>>19061831. square towers with gatehouses2. archers/crossbowmen/brazier3. siege ballista with 2 engineersdon't even need curtain walls, much less battlements. you can sell all the pitch too, they won't get close enough for it to be of use. same goes for dogs, flame throwers etc. slingers on the other hand are underrated. fast, cheap, great fire rate, useful against macemen and armor. can be used for raiding too although horse archers (and a fire ballista) are superior in this regard.
>>1911808>macemenyesh bosh
>>1911808speaking of, is there a mod that rebalances around history?
>>1911808https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYdGcx3aUGw how do you rank the games? I only played the first two, and I agree 100% with what he said when comparing the two, Stronghold and Stronghold Crusaders are better/worse depending on what you want, eyecandy scenarios vs skirmishesI wish there was a way to combine the two, but I guess it would be too hard for the AI to work with prebuilt scenario castles/setups.
>>1911915Blud, lit nobody can understand your Hitlerspeak video fr
>>1911853It would require new models to remove cancer like macemen.
>>1896163it was pretty popular here in turkeywasnt as big as aoe2, but still well loved
>>1913845Türkiye is European!!
hunting is a nice alternative to early game bandit hunting.the turks should have had it in the game from the get go.i wish this artemis dude actually worked on the feast mod instead of just dicking around and advertising his stuff. group hunting in feasts would be kino.
>>1913997wrong thread?
>>1914036yeah my bad.
>>1913997>>1914040What game are you talking about? Sounds interesting.
>>1914259Mount & Blade
>>1914262Ah. I thought you were talking about the turks as playable faction and assumed it's Aoe3, 4 or some kind of game like that.
>>1914259>Feast modBannerlord 100%
>>1904048>Christian beliefs are respected in Islamlol
>>1904429>Jordan>Saudis>Egyptiansnot him but you don't actually believe those in power reflect people's will. do you?most obvious case is Egypt. they had elections and the muslim brotherhood dude won then he was deposed by (((them))), imprisoned, charged with bogus crimes and killed in prison.>>1915262yes
>>1915296We can add Syria/Ex-taliban to that list now, lol.>yesMaking people pay extra taxes for not being your religion is not respecting anything. Filling christian countries with their "human" filth isn't a sing of respect.
>>1915944She was saying "yes" as in agreeing with your lol statement.t. her father
>>1915944>Making people pay extra taxes for not being your religion is not respecting anythingthey don't get conscripted or pay the Zaka tax.but anon meant that Jesus Christ is venerated as a prophet and Virgin Mary is honored as his mother who gave birth to him by god's will.do i need to tell you how jews view them and christians?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSMiMRkWjJQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUJrXNCfUrk>>1916024i am unfamiliar with this sort of flexing.
>>1879287a Shield. Spearniggers and their "Spears are le invincible" are just as bad as other notorious weapon biases (Looking at you Katanaweebs) when it comes to sprouting blatant lies to compensate for their contrarianism. Spears are by far the worst polearms, which is completely outmatched by more advanced arms like billhooks halberds and the likes which not only offer the reach advantage of a spear, but also the versatility of Chopping Hooking and better penetrating armor, the spear's primary appeal and mass usage is its easy to produce and train with, not because how "invincible" it is. in all intents and purposes its a peasants weapon overhyped by Jewtubers and armchair generals seeking to contradict hollywood's Retarded idea of medieval warfare by sticking to the polar yet equal opposite form of retardation. its easy to slap together a spear formation with lightly armed militiamen, but the moment you come across uneven terrain, let alone Castle sieges a spear would be a liability and at times a major hindrance when obstacles are involved.tldr: Spears are as the kids would say "Mid" and overhyped.
>>1917374and seemingly flat open fields becoming Hazardous through Mud and rain was not uncommon, So a spear only formation was even less practical in a good deal of potential circumstances. and with Warfare being heavily unpredictable, The worst scenario is often to be expected.Trenches can also Ruin spear formations as well as bad weather, The best armies utilized tactics more than just weapons and formations, its how the seemingly "unstoppable" Greek phalanx was beaten by the Romans.many other weapons were used and widespread, if the spear was so "perfect" as you lying bastards would claim it to be, There would be little need to innovate further with weapons that fulfilled different yet crucial roles. shit like mancatchers were common and highly efficient in sieges, yet nobody ever talks about them.you spearchuckers are why weapons threads end up being obnoxious shit flinging contests compared to armor threads that are more chill. you're the literal Niggers of weapons, complete with "Muh Reach" being the equivalent to "Muh Dick" and "We Wuz Kings of Weaponz" being "we wuz Kangz" and the constant seething of swords being the brown's consent seething of whites.I'm done ranting, I'm Drunk, I'll fuck off to bed. Goodnight.
>>1916639>but anon meant that Jesus Christ is venerated as a prophet and Virgin Mary is honored as his mother who gave birth to him by god's will.do i need to tell you how jews view them and christians?That is literally due to islam being a arabic desert bandit pervert's judeo-christian my immortal.>Jews are scum, thus muslims good.How about no.
Shalom ^
>You are a little hat wearer even if you hate both types of sand dysgenics.^Were you born this way, or did your parents decide to lobotomize you?
>>1917569>>1918804>Judeo-Christian puppetsIslam is the one true religion
I wish I could convert to Islam, but I like eating porn (salami on pizza). I don't drink though, but I bet most Muslims actually do drink alcohol and look on it the same way Christians look on premarital sex at worst.
>>1879272You have to know nothing about warfare to take Stronghold as a serious representation of it.I think Total War leads more astray, especially with how cavalry fights.
>>1920497So how do you rank other popular medieval RTSs? Is AoE2 worse or better than Stronghold?
>>1920297pork is filled with WORMS!
>>1920673Only because we feed pigs our shit
>>1879272Why isn't the bear doing anything?
>>1907454How is he effortlessly holding a 160 pound bow with just his left hand?
>>1923366good one, anon.
>>1879272Which one is the best I've never played and you made me want to
>>1909702My dream is that but with an expansion to play the Majesty monsters
>>1923571The originals, Stronghold for super comfy castle sim and Crusader for addictive skirmish experience.
>>1911850The same was true for Crusader but it did develop an active online community although it's been dead for a long time. The game was basically solved, everyone built the same 2 types of economies and only used 3-4 units because the rest were completely useless.
>>1879272What the fuck went so wrong with this series? They even failed at the already simple AI lord personalities.>fight pig in crusader 1>funny mean fat man>fight pig in crusader 2>depressing sack of shit weirdo that cries for his dad when you kill him>>1911842I'd put it more to gameplay convenience than satire though. The intent was clearly to make for more fun gameplay and the satirical elements are a distant second.
>>1920297>but I bet most Muslims actually do drink alcohol and look on it the same way Christians look on premarital sex at worst.Modern day Islam is a weird thing. The conservatism being displayed in today's Islam is a modern invention. Somewhere in the 16th and 18th centuries they went full on fundamentalist. Prior to that you have advanced mathematics of the era, very lax rules on alcohol especially where traveling does not allow water to keep for very long (think weak wine or beer).
>>1920640AoE is less detailed (not in graphics I mean, but just how units and things work and how that relates to the real world) and combat is more gamey than even in Stronghold, I would say. But I suppose even kids would understand that its not a super realistic representation and is not supposed to be.
>>1898044is 20th century warfare based?
>>1887694>Big shield tradition never died until firearms.Big shield even defeated firearms, debunked!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u54IIKxrhU
>>1930390It's der coomer!
