>released last year>already forgotten In this thread we remember the disaster that is relic entertainment
>>1887416>be ww2 game>make game about the MOST nothingburger front everStraight up embezzlement, they could have given us a proper italian faction too but nooooo they turned it into Afrikakorps, worse decision after worse decision.
>>1887421Well the Mediterranean and Italian front is an underrated theater but it looks like everything they did was just bad.
Why do they need to make a game on a specific front? Why not just make a big game with all the major factions and then have fronts as their own individual campaigns within the game.Because when you do it this way you have to leave other factions out like the Soviet Union aren't here and after CoH2 it feels weird to not have them.
>>1887426Genuinely what stopped them from doing this? This is why everyone is playing Gates of Hell or Steel Division 2.
>>1887434Making it any other front or general WWII means complaints about lack of soviet faction are even more relevant and they don't want to make Russians the good guys in current year.
>>1887426>Why not just make a big game with all the major factions and then have fronts as their own individual campaigns within the game.because that's a massive fuckton more work?
>>1887421Russians fuming over the African front will never not be funny to me
>already forgotten say that again
>>1887469They have good cause, western devs have been re-writing WW2 history to leave them, the most important nation in the victory, out. Didn't even appear in BFV when women and japan were included.
>>1887469A lot of Russians play the CoH2
>>1887480>the most important nation in the victory>we died the most so we're the bestkek
>>1887416Is the game even in a playable state yet?
>>1887490Europe would be german and asia would be japanese without russia. If you can't acknowledge this you're an idiot who failed history.
>>1887497>Europe would be german and asia would be japanese without americaftfy
>>1887497>europeWould be a series of nuclear craters without the Soviets, so they definitely helped there, no question.>asiaOkay, you're trolling, the invasion of Manchuria was just a cherry on top of Japan's humiliation ritual in 1945
>>1887491Not for me, still crashes like crazy.
>>1887503Damn, that's pretty sad. I think even CA fixes shit faster
>>1887452>they don't want to make Russians the good guys in current year.If that is true, why make a historical game then? Why not pull a Valkyria Chronicles and make a fantasy or fictional setting? You can bypass any PR nightmare that way.
>>1887508Because their market is the very small western RTS player population and they're much more interested in literally anything WW2 over fantasy anything.
>>1887416>Trailer comes out with stronk female partisan.>Germans are cannon fodder.>Gameplay is the same of the last 3 games.>Still the same puzzling mechanics of firefights from 5 minutes away taking ages.>Censored unlike CoH1 without superior germans and cowboy americansIt is not even meme worthy.
>>1887416Go back to coh2 vatnik
Steel Division 2 is the penultimate WW2 RTS, it's a shame that not many play it
>>1887583because it was kinda shit
>>1887560The trailer killed it for me.
>>18875831944 was better
>>1887421The front is not bad, but they didn't add anything to made you feel it as unique
>>1887469you don't have to be a subhuman vatnigger to consider africa boring
>>1887480Russia was literally one of the main factions of CoH2. Not every game has to be about the eastern front.
>>1887453oh sorry I forgot we just can't have effort in gamedev anymore. We just can't because... we can't, okay?
>>1887480>the most important nation in the victorywould literally break and crumble like a twig without infinite lend-lease gibs, not to mention an entire western front re-opened to allow vatniggers some breathing room lmao. The fucking delusion fueled by vodka and an alt history course starting in elementary school
>>1887480Pidoria got mad that the soviets were portrayed as worse than the germans
Relic should've just release a Pacific Theatre DLC/expansion before dying, because right out of the box, this game has literally nothing over CoH2
>>1887719This is true of every live service. You can't directly sequel any reasonably successful game you've made because it's had years of DLC to expand its content scope beyond what any reasonable base game development could match. People see the new game that looks prettier but has a fraction of the content and ask "why bother"
>>1887630lend-lease didn't kick in in a meaningful way until '43 after Stalingrad and the tide had already turned.
>>1887843and Stalin said it saved the soviet union?
>>1887949Source?
>>1887962>“I want to tell you, from the Russian point of view, what the President and the United States have done to win the war. The most important things in this war are machines. The United States has proven that it can turn out from 8,000 to 10,000 airplanes per month. Russia can only turn out, at most, 3,000 airplanes a month. England turns out 3,000 to 3,500, which are principally heavy bombers. The United States, therefore, is a country of machines. Without the use of those machines, through Lend-Lease, we would lose this war.” - Stalinhttps://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1943CairoTehran/d353
>>1887965That's the best you've got? A fluff speech from Churchill's birthday party? It's talking about aircraft too, which were not responsible for the victory on the eastern front.
>>1887989>It's talking about aircraft too, which were not responsible for the victory on the eastern front.
>>1887843Lend lease was pouring in right from the word go. Lend lease is why the Nazi's stalled at the gates of Moscow. It's why the Soviet Union was able to raise and equip new divisions to replace the countless lost in the opening months of the invasion, it's why the T-34, a tank that had existed for half a decade, suddenly entered mass production in 1941 (protip: its engine is American), it's why the Soviets were suddenly able to produce high velocity guns that could defeat German armour despite being stuck to worthless 37mm crap prewar, it's why they didn't suffer total famine in 1942, it's why they transformed from an army that relied entirely on trains, horses and marching to a motorized army that could keep pace on the battlefield (in American trucks and half tracks).This is aside from all the strategic-level events of the war that impacted the eastern front, like British blockades and strategic bombing producing acute shortages of fuel and steel that undermined German tank warfare, or the general strategic destruction of Germany's industry preventing it from ever producing it's equipment to scale, or an army group's worth of equipment being tied up and then lost in North Africa, or the new front in Italy drawing over a million troops and further splitting Germany's focus, or the colossal effort and resources the Nazi's invested in preparing to defend against allied landings, or the huge losses in air crews sustained from the western front and constant strategic pressure on the Luftwaffe from allied bombing that limited their ability to operate at all in the east.This weird Russian propaganda cope about winning the war solo is just so delusional it boggles the mind.
>>1888022please be baiting
Ukraine lost.
>>1888022>Lend lease was pouring in right from the word go. Lend lease is why the Nazi's stalled at the gates of Moscow.Just not true now is it?
>>1887416Should've been asia based, with an IJA campaign where you fight Russians at Khalkin Gol, UK in Malaysia and then USMC in tense defensive battles during the island hopping campaign.
>>1888022>we wuz stronk russkie mir>Make a second front now!
>>1888072So by your own chart between the start of Barbarossa in June and the end of 1941 the allies had already provided over 2 million tonnes of aid. Somehow this is not humbling to the Russian mind.
>>1888177No, if by the end of 1941 they had delivered over 2 millions, the 1941 value would be over 2 millions, not 0. The 2 millions were delivered during 1942, learn to read.
>>1888181Yes, because whoever made the chart didn't understand data management. This chart says the amount of lend lease started at 0 and rose to ~2m by the start of 1942.In reality there were around 500k tonnes, or almost 100k tonnes a month of aid provide in that span, which would be concealed if you misread the chart the way the smooth brain propagandist who made it wants you to. In the real world, 40% of the tanks standing between Moscow and the Nazi's in December were British-made and a whole wing of British pilots in British fighters were defending the skies but we can't acknowledge those darn Anglo-Saxons now can we?
>>1887416THEY MADE ANOTHER ONE???>released last yearWHAT
>>1888181> "People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."
>>1888177The issue is that people that talk about the impact of lend lease most often do this to denigrate the russian effort in the war. Obviously the war was a team effort, but to deny the work done on the eastern front due to lend lease is genuinely retarded. It stems from an ideological need to minimize Russian importance in the conflict and their outsized share and impact on the war, when viewed through battles fought, casualties lost, materiel, land changing hands and so on. Its a sensitive topic, which is why we always come back to it, and why solving the issue is nigh impossible Since this is a vidya board, what really should be discussed is the playability and iconic natural gaming potential of ww2 combatants. In this sense the red army is great. Wish we could get some different armies in coh 3 though. Wish I could play as the Italian Alpine Corps + German stragglers during little saturn. There's lots of great drama to be mined from a small story campaign, which just isn't done as it stands. Balanced e sports battles reign supreme
>>1888202It's the opposite actually.It's been strict party line since the 1950s for russia to downplay or deny the impact of lend leas and allied military action and claim that the USSR won """The Great Patriotic War""" solo and is entitled to all the gibs for their effort. This shit is taught in schools there.Arguments like this break out when either a clueless russian nationalist walks into a discussion confused why the rest of the world's history doesn't match his own, or when a shill tries to insist that it's the only truth. The discourse for world war 2, be it videogames, board games, history or whatever, is absolutely inundated by the latter and has been for as long as we've been talking about this shit on the internet. Case and point: >>1887480Nobody's pretending several million soviets didn't bleed and die on the eastern front for our shared victory. There's a reason we still invite their successor-state to WW2 memorial services.
>>1888188>if you misread the chart the way the smooth brain propagandist who made it wants you to. In the real worldI don't even have a dog in this fight, in fact I don't care who saved the free world from the hecking Nazis, just pointing out what the chart says. If the chart is made by a lying propagandist, how is one supposed to "read" it in a way that gives the true numbers? If it's wrong it can't prove anything.Nice digits by the way.
>>1888227The purpose of the chart is to downplay the 1941 aid in order to suggest that the soviets won the battle for moscow (dec 1941) without help, and is used in arguments like this to suggest that the tide had already turned in the soviet's favour by the time material assistance mattered.This form of chart is used to show change in amount X over time Y, thus the line between two data points imply the the amount changed over the course of the timegap between the two datapoints following the curve (or lack thereof) of the line. So the correct way to read it is that X began near 0 at the start of 1941 (or in this case, June) and grew steadily to the 2nd datapoint at the end of 1941 and the start of 1942. However the data points actually represent the total amount of material sent in the year, and the line between them is meaningless except to show that the material provided was only below 1m in 1941, so the choice of graph to visualize the data is incorrect. Since there's only 4 datapoints and we're only comparing them quantitatively, a pie chart would have been a more representative format but it would have forced them to quote concrete numbers and they clearly wanted to avoid that.The graph utilizes a few tricks to push its narrative, which is probably why it was chosen as a format. First, it narrows the definition of its X-axis. We typically use 'lend lease' as a generalization of aid provided by the allies to the USSR but in literal terms lend lease was a US policy. Aid provided by other allies was donated for free. Narrowing the definition, it excludes all non-US aid (which was the majority provided in 1941) while avoiding specifying which country's aid it's quantifying. It also condenses the X axis between 0 and 1m and avoids using concrete numbers to make the roughly 300k tonnes of US lend lease in 1941 seem closer to 0.
>>1888328Thanks chat GPT
You guys could have just done a little Google search you know >Estimates suggest that aid sent in 1941 amounted to around 2-5% of the total Lend-Lease aid ultimately delivered to the USSR. This includes the British aid, as well as early American supplies sent before the full Lend-Lease program was in placeWow!
>>1888380>google as a sourceI want zoomers to have chat privileges revoked.
>>1888431Well I could have told you the specific source from which that quote originates, but I don't like your tone
>>1888436I accept your concession.
>>1887630britain still got more lend-lease than the soviet union, anon. it was important but you're seriously underrating the red army's role in the whole conflict.
>>1887416>woman with rifleNo thanks
Power to true industries
The Philistina hordes heading to the west shall save the gaming industry. End ALL subversion.
>>1887497
>>1887989Khrushchev himself stated that multiple times Stalin stated that without the allies (specifically Lend Lease), they would have lost, you fucking idiot. We gave them thousands of tonnes of food, trucks, jeeps, planes, and motorcycles, all of which they used to push into Berlin.
>>1889158khruschev was stalin's clown.
>>1889164a clown's jester
>>1887630seethe more btw Trump won!!
>>1888022Ukraine got 3 times more aid than the Soviet Union and is still LOSING, why are hohols so WEAK? They are simply not Democracy material it seems....
>>1888022I wish germans won so russians wouldn't exist today
>>1891287They're only good at killing polish POWs and civilians. Russia is a bad match-up.
no refunds sar
>>1891709>we're too greedy and lazy to add more factions in a world war 2 game about the entire world being at war. We're just going to reskin some units and tweak their damage values and sell them as new content. Thanks for your money and support! Let us know what would you like to see in the future (we're not going to do it anyway but goys like the illusion of having a say)
>>1891712> saar, please understand> battlegroup many work, saarhow can it take months to design a single unit?their code must be pure spaghet
>>1891720> design, model, rig, animate a unit BEFORE considering the units role in the gameare they retarded?why would you ever do it this way and not the other way around?
>>1891720>each unit requires artists to create the model, the skin, the portrait, their icons (and those of their abilities), their decorators, their weapons, damage and destruction statesliterally and I mean literally 1 (one) day of work for a 3D character artist, you're not making humanoid aliens, you're making REGULAR FUCKING PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT UNIFORMS AND HATS. This is a load of bullshit fed to the retarded goyslop consumers, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE ALL THESE SYSTEMS AND MATERIALS SET UP and all they have to do is fill in the texture slots>designers and tech artists are required to hook up each of these to the unit itselfone day of work MAX>as well as more complex systems, such as physics, rigging and animationsare these fucking clowns implying every human in their game has a separate skeleton? Do germans have extra bones? Do italians get ragdolled differently than brits? They have 200000000000 unique running animations for every single soldier in the game? Lie after lie after lie, how did no one call them out on this shit yet?>balance as part of the factionOH NOO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO TEST NEW CONTENT IN MY GAME?????? I THOUGHT I COULD JUST COLLECT MONEY AND SIT ON MY ASS FOREVER!!!!!>or the 400+ lines of dialogue each unit hasand whose fucking fault is that? Who the fuck needs 400+ lines of dialogue for an RTS unit? Do these chucklefucks design every single soldier as a unique RPG character with their own lore and backstory and quips? Holy shit I want to strangle the retard who wrote this>these new units have been touched by almost every discipline on the team for months at a timenow you know where all that investment money is going lmao. I have no idea what they're doing at work, they must be jerking each other off and drinking coffee and going out for smoothies all the fucking time. Give relic IPs to slavs and watch them disprove every single lie presented in that disgusting vile fucking kike postt. gamedev
>>1887560Literally when I stopped caring about it. Trailer told me it'd be shit. Some of the campaign mechanics looked interesting at least but all context looked boring as hell.
>>1891828Good post lel.
>>1891709>no italian faction literally ever>in a fucking italian front gamewhy is this allowed
>>1893754you WILL play Brits and 'mericans vs 2x Krauts for the 18th year in a row and you WILL be happy
>>1891709Translation: Nobody is playing or buying this piece of shit game so we can't justify spending more money on it since our Publisher died.BTW, where the fuck are my modding tools?
>>1893754sorry anon, it's just too much effort to reach a 2002 game bar of quality. It literally takes months to design a single soldier, and you produce anywhere from 20-40 squads every match >>1891720
>>1893754The inept pasta-slurping cowards had already surrendered by then. What do you want them to do? Go alt history?
>>1894285just because they were retarded and incompetent doesnt mean they shouldnt be included in a world war 2 game about italian front. Youre legitimizing dogshit games with your dogshit reasoning
>>1891828This is what happens when your entire devteam is women and libcuck Canadians Lazy fuckers, at least we have broken arrow coming out soon
>>1894285anon, it's a fucking video game. are germans supposed to lose everytime because they lost ww2?
>>1887497wtf i hate russia now
>>1887416No story mode, and the engine is mot designed for mountain warfare or real urban fighting, they had no choice
>>1887490>our s-soldiers d-d-died the most in t-the w-w-war! That means they are actually very good s-soldiers and y-y-you should thank us for our service!
>>1894290Yes, they were the bad guys, it's antisemitic to have any other ending.
>>1894286>>1894290What retarded nonsense is that? Germany was still fighting. Italy was not. It's like asking why there are no roman centurions, I thought we were in italy??????
>>1896799Italians fought until April 1945. It doesn't matter how well or under which flag. An autonomous pro-german Italian army was still a thing even after ther armistice.It's like making a WW1 game in France and only make Brits playable.It's a fucking game, it's just a setting. Anachronistic Black Princes or Chaffees are a bigger sin than a fully historical playable faction, because it's the players who'll decide about the fate of each fight anyway.
>>1896799>It's like asking why there are no roman centurionsyour reasoning is like cutting your dick off and saying youre a woman. Completely retarded and wrong
Italians are represented in the game. In fact, the dominant Strat back in the day was spamming pasta tanks. There is lots of Italian units and some battlegroups. Why do they need a faction?
>>1896945Why do Germans need two factions AGAIN when one of them could very well be independent Italy for the first time in the franchise's history?
>>1896945They never played the game. Of course they wouldn't know afrika korps is practically the italian faction.
>>1897104so why is it Afrika Korps and not Royal Italian Army or however they'd call it?Oh right, because it's NOT an independent italian faction and you can play it entirely without guidos.Stop pretending that you're not noticing the issue.
>>1897111>Stop pretending that you're not noticing the issue.impossible, this is the favorite tactic of the dishonest 4chan rat
>>1897111>royal italian cumslurpersBecause it didn't exist anymore you stupid fucking retard. Go rub garlic on some stale bread for your pasta, you finger pinching mongoloid.
>>1897192> Shitaly should NOT be in the game> because they surrendered in September '43> even dough Afrikakorps is in the game> also ignore North Italian Army
>>1896945>why does a game about faction warfare need more factions to succeed in a highly competitive market?>isnt 2 enough? I want to get rich without putting in the effort, pls understandno, as a matter of fact I will not understand. I will ridicule and berate you instead. Then I will laugh as you go bankrupt and forgotten due to your complacency and defeatism.
Are you really just this retarded or is Relic paying you something at least?
>>1897304>2look at this retard and laugh
>>1897376Im looking at you and laughing, what now?
>>1887583No good story mode means I no buy
>>1887583> p2w slopno thanksbase game comes with like 3 good divisions, 2 of them being sovietactually thought about buying a DLC (because of the army general) but I am not going to watch a 30 minute guide on how to buy one without getting screwed over
