How did Slay the Spire achieve such perfection? There's no way the sequel can possibly live up to this legacy. And yes this is a strategy game
>>1893152there was a retard here previously who argued fighting games like tekken belong here. They don't. Neither does your thread
>>1893152this game stops being fun once you're good at it so the sequel can easily improvet.ascention 20
>>1893194Well I'm not good at it so it's still fun. :^)
>>1893194How many hours do you have in it?
>retard can't even tell between genresGo figure.
>>1894332it's unequivocally a strategy game
I suck so bad as watcher. Ascension 2 btw.
>>1897703Watcher is literally the strongest
>>1893152I don't care much for the artstyle, but thanks to it's popularity there are many different-looking "clones" to choose from now
>>1897701>pure RNG games are strategyfrfr no cap bakar8 my new meta opener of 2 queens of hearts into 8-9-10 color J-slam, gotta counter full flush with my no flush street shitting and hand wiping
>>1898026Getting a good or bad start location in Civ can entirely decide the game, even a king-level player can beat deity if they get a god tier start. If that's not too much RNG then there's no reason to exclude card games.
>>1893157>>1894332>>1898026Stop pretending to be an oldfag. Slay the Spire threads used to be respected here. Hell, most wouldn't have even made a fuss if a slightly non-strategy game was posted here. Stop trying to infect his board with cancer from /vrpg/
>>1898045Fuck off back to /gsg/ Robbie.
>>1893152StS is not the first deckbuilding game, and not even the first solo-only map crawl deckbuilder. It had a lot of predecessors to draw understanding of balance from.If you're interested in the genre and havent heard of Dominion then you're doing something wrong.
>>1898026>deckbuilding>pure RNGlol, lmao, and maybe even ijbol
>>1893152I got filtered by the fugly art. Good thing there are so many deckbuilders now, genre itself is pretty fun.
>>1893152>Win first three games effortlessly>Bash my head against the fourth character for a while, decide to go back and see what my successful runs were like>Just happened to hit more random events that remove the shitty starter cards from my deck>Win effortlessly my next runTerrible game, just like Dominion. Now Mystic Vale, that is what deckbuilders should aspire to be.
>>1893152slay the nogger is a rougelike
>>1898295Explain how top players can win 40 times in a row on ascension 20
>>1898295The Watcher needs card removal the least, her starting deck is good enough to beat act 2 on its own.
>>1898325By removing their starter cards via prioritizing random events on the map over fights. It's a design philosophy issue, I want to play the fights and I want to add more cards to my deck, skipping fights for events and removing instead of adding cards to my deck removes the fun.>>1898330The problem I ran into was more that I would add cards that don't fit well with the starting cards and then be caught between styles as I hadn't realized how important hitting events to remove cards was.
>>1898345>skipping fights for events and removing instead of adding cards to my deck removes the fun.For you
>>1898345One of the big reasons Watcher is so strong is because her starting deck is good enough to reliably carry you through the first 2 acts. This means you can afford to be way more choosy with what cards you take. Other characters have cards like Carnage, Dagger Spray, or Streamline that are kind of bad later but you need to take in the early game just to be able to survive. But because Watcher's starting deck is so good, you can play very greedily and start building your deck for the endgame from the very first room.
people that think games like this are strategy are the reason the strategy tag on steam is useless.every fucking game is considered strategy now even battle royales apparently.
>>1898362Why is a game about long-term decision making and resource management not strategy?
>>1898366You could say this about 99% of the games that exist
>>1898367Alright then a less abstract question:Why is, say, Into the Breach a strategy game but not Slay the Spire?
>>1898345>I would add cards that don't fit well with the starting cardsStrategy issue. Try to git gud.
>>1898368>Why is, say, Into the Breach a strategy game but not Slay the Spire?Because it has a board. When people say "strategy" game, what they implicitly mean is that the game features euclidean geometry and isn't an action game. Once you fulfill those two prerequisites, then you must also ensure that there is more than one way to win the game, else it becomes a puzzle game. A deckbuilder generally doesn't have any type of geometric element.
>>1898499>Because it has a boardOh good we agree StS is a strategy game thenYou surely wouldn't reply with "uhh but the board has to be used in a certain way"
>>1898045Is shilled by retards in every board, yes. That's the opposite of "respected".>trying to flex your time here in one of the new splinter boardsPathetic.
>>1898366Quake III confirmed as peak strategy game.
>>1898500>You surely wouldn't reply with "uhh but the board has to be used in a certain way"I don't need to reply like that because I anticipated your wellackshuallyfag pedantry by stipulating that the typical strategy game has Euclidean geometry. If we did things the way that you wanted then we would just end up calling Tetris a strategy game.
>>1898522You asked for a board and I provided a board on which you move a piecethere's even a literal BOARDGAME
>>1898524Okay go post on /tg/ then.
>>1898499>When people say "strategy" game, what they implicitly mean is that the game features euclidean geometryAh, my favorite strategy game: drawing with straight edge and compass. Such strategic depth, mmmm
>>1898534Oh and then, does that mean Achron is not a strategy game, just because it has timetravel fuckery as part of it's dimensions of player influence? That's very non-euclidean, almost to the same degree as portals(as featured in Starcraft, both in lore for Protoss and in gameplay for Zerg) or hypergeometry(only reason there's no strategy game in hypergeometry is that there's too much space so fun stuff like flanking attacks will take forever to set up)
>>1898534>drawing>gameHe said strategy GAMES, like Frogger or Mario Golf.
>>1898539>>drawing>>gameYes. Pic related is what i meant but in my haste I forgot it could be technically seen as a puzzle game, so instead here's two actually strategy drawing games: Pictionary and A Fake Artist goes to New York. The possibilities are endless when it comes to strategy games, truly.
>>18985744chan doesnt pet me upload the picThe game's name is Pythagorea. It's pretty fun and has multiple ways to finish levels.
>>1898199oh I didnt know the game revolves around building a deck and then not playing it. Pray tell, do you get to pick and choose your cards from the total card pool? Or do you get 3 at a time, RANDOMLY selected from a giant pool, and then you RANDOMLY pull them into your hand? You fucking retard
>>1898799Still less randomness than in XCOM
>>1898799draw better, scrub
>>1898799Risk management is part of strategy games. If you don't draft enough card draw or you fill your deck with too many shit cards and can't get to your good ones, that's on you. Like the other anon said, this is like saying XCOM isn't a strategy game because the chance for a soldier to hit or be hit by an alien is random.
>>1898026God, I love Balatro.
I like the game but damn I hate the art style. Same with Monster Train.
>>1899000the art style has, ah...*licks lips*soul
>>1898799>Or do you get 3 at a time, RANDOMLY selected from a giant pool, Fight card rewards are weighted towards synergy-enabling cards, and shops have way more than 3 cards plus relics and potions on sale. The boardgame has no such card weighting and because of that it's way harder to get synergystic decks and thus to win, so they had to rebalance everything.>and then you RANDOMLY pull them into your hand?Usually, you draw your entire deck in the span of (deck size / cards drawn per turn) turns, so you should keep your deck thin if you wanna see your good cards more frequently. Sure, you're not guaranteed to draw combo cards A and B in the same hand, that's why you have a backup plan. You do have a backup plan, right? You are using strategy in a strategy game, right?
>>1899123>are weighted towardsand my shit is weighted towards my anus, this doesnt make shitting a strategy game>Usually, you draw your entire deck in the span of (deck size / cards drawn per turn) turnsusually I take a shit in the span of 24 hours, that doesnt make shitting a strategy gamekys retard>The boardgameis the definition you're looking for, fuck off where you belong to your tranny containment board >>>/tg/
>>1898934>Risk management is part of strategy gamesPART OF, not foundation of, not core of, not the essence of. Shitting diarrhea is also risk management, that doesnt make shitting a strategy game you fucking. Retards. I would rather take a food analogy than your explanation of why RNG card games are strategy
>>1899143It's not the core of Slay the Spire though. Learning to not fill your deck with useless trash is like StS 101, there's a whole depth of strategy that goes into the deckbuilding and the minute to minute gameplay beyond that.
>>1899123>Fight card rewards are weighted towards synergy-enabling cards,No they aren't. The only weighting is that you're more likely to get rare cards if you haven't gotten offered one in a while.
>>1899158either the game is a strategy game, or it isn't There are no half-strategy games. Rougelike deckbuilders are not strategy games, they are rougelike deckbuilders. Next thing you're going to say is "but if you cut off your dick you become a woman", guess what. You don't. You're still a man with his dick cut off.
>>1899270>get explanation to why game is strategy>reply with "nooo it doesnt count its only a half lalalla cant hear you"your strategy for winning debates sucks, go read The Art of War
>>1899270>either the game is a strategy game, or it isn't There are no half-strategy games.This is just nonsense. Is Warcraft 3 not a strategy game because it has RPG elements?
>>1899339Spaghetti bolognese is a soup.
>>1898524Yooo Black Panther Cola???
>>1893152This thread is actually a strategy thread, because we are using strategies to persuade each other of what is strategy and what isn't. This is peak strategyposting
>>1899270>retard obsessed with trannies is a retard
>>1901401>tranny obsessed with retards is a retard
>>1899339>Is Warcraft 3 not a strategy game because it has RPG elements?As much as Diablo 2 is a strategy game because it has strategy elements. Or Lost Vikings, even R&R Racing.
>>1899287>make up completely wrong and invalid explanation to why game is supposedly strategy>get proven wrong>abloo bloo intensifies muh ART OF WAR muh SUN TZU muh GOTHIC. ATMOSPHERE. KINO.the ART OF WAR contains a bunch of paragraphs on how roguelike deckbuilders are not strategy, because they're random games with random mechanics and war is anything but random
Hitman is a strategy game.
>How did Slay the Spire achieve such perfection?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rqfbvnO_H0Here's an interesting talk where he goes over how they made the game. In short, knowledge of card games beforehand, an extreme amount of playtesting, and knowing how to apply the statistics and feedback gathered from all of the playtesting they did.
>>1899270Every game of StS is possible with the right strategy. Therefore its foundation is not RNG, RNG just makes it interesting
>>1904541>best players manage a ~50% victory rate while savescumming >"totally not RNG, bros"Try playing over ascension 1.
>>1904610Life coach has a 52 streak on watcher. Try not being retarded
>>1904614>my favorite streamer plays on easy modeNot helping your cause.
>>1904541>Every game of StS is possible with the right strategy.and yet, it is not a strategy game. If it was, you could replicate the same results in every match. You can't, because the game relies on RNG in nearly every aspect of gameplay. Your strategy falls apart the moment you get shit cards instead of the ones you want. It falls apart the moment you get a shit hand. It falls apart the moment you get a random encounter that specifically fucks over your deck. Because roguelike deckbuilders are not strategy games. They are roguelike deckbuilders.
>>1904685today I learned XCOM, Civ, Warcraft 3, every-paradox-game-ever-made, and the entire HOMM series are not strategy games because they have significant RNG
>>1905220how did you even read that post and come up with that conclusion? What do you not understand about "replicate the same results in every match"?>CivI guess Germans get tiger tanks one game, and hoplites in another, and the pyramids in another, and sometimes you start in industrial era and sometimes in classical era. It's so randumb! The game is pure RNG!>Warcraft 3every time I train a footman a random unit appears! Sometimes my units attack 5 times in one frame, sometimes they don't attack at all! Every time I select "Humans" I get either orcs, nelves or undead! So randumb! Lel!>every-paradox-game-ever-madeuh oh I guess London generates negative income and has 3 development, and Edinburgh has like 16?! Better start a new game to roll better capital stats! Noooo how can I play in Europe when I spawn as Animist England?! So randumb! Pure randomness!>the entire HOMM seriesoh noo I picked Tazar and he spawned with eagle eye!!! Wtf!!!! Better start a new game... nooo Gnoll specialty?! Ugh, SO RANDUMB!!! And why are all the units in my castle shuffled with different castles?! Undead AND angels?! And it changes every match????????? How am I supposed to come up with a strategy with all this RNG everywhere?!
>>1904685>any non-deterministic game is not a strategyyou're probably the biggest retard on 4chan, congrats
>>1905373read more than one sentence next time
>>1905300disingenuous exaggeration only makes you sound like an idiot
diceomancer is better at almost everythingreign of StS is over
StS has strategy but doesn't belong on this boardJust like how I can plan a strategy for a race in a driving gameOr ahead of time on what sort of upgrades I'll aim for in a roguelike I'm playingOr plan out a more efficient route in a platformerThose are all valid definitions of "strategy", none of the games mentioned above belong here
>>1905714>has nothing to say except ad hominemI accept your concession
>>1906036Define strategy game then
/vrpg/ cannot tell you what an RPG is/vst/ cannot tell you what a strategy game isThat's because they were generalised imperfect labels all along
>>1904610>best players manage a ~50% victory rate while savescumming[citation needed]
>>1905300Yes I never play random maps on AOE2 because not knowing the layout in advance is not strategy. I also never pick random faction in HOMM or random tech progression in RTW.RNG has nothing to do with being strategy or not, Risk has you draw cards and roll dice. The game in the OP is obviously not strategy because there's 3 characters on screen, it's not even tactics, much less strategy.
>>1906321>The game in the OP is obviously not strategy because there's 3 characters on screen, it's not even tactics, much less strategy.ah so now strategy is about "how many characters are on the screen?"
>>1906321>Yes I never play random maps on AOE2 because not knowing the layout in advance is not strategy.and I suppose your villagers all have different training speed, different HP, different walking speed, and different attack values? I also suppose your picked civ bonuses are always randomized not only in function, but also in %?>I also never pick random faction in HOMM or random tech progression in RTW.and when you do roll a faction, its units are different every time? They have different speed, attack values, and cost, and tier?>RNG has nothing to do with being strategy or not, Risk has you draw cards and roll dice.and in Risk every player begins with anywhere between 1-20 provinces and 1-50 troops, chosen randomly by a computer?>The game in the OP is obviously not strategy because there's 3 characters on screenso Chess is not a strategy game, but a tactics one?so many wrong opinions in like 3 sentences
>>1906324You're overstating the amount of RNG, as though every possible thing is randomisedCertain enemies are always encountered in the same areaAn enemy always acts the same wayA card always does the same thingThe player always has the same start
>>1904541There has actually been an impossible seed discovered. It's an A20 run where you're forced into an early Lagavullin fight as Silent without the opportunity to get any good cards beforehand, which means you just mathematically don't have enough damage to beat Laga.The seed is 3LWVGX7BL.
>>1906328>You're overstating the amount of RNGthat's correct, because strategy games have some RNG, but the core gameplay is static and allows strategizing, build orders, etc Roguelike deckbuilders don't allow anything like that because everything is randomized, from your available resources, to when they are available, and in what order.
>>1906328>A card always does the same thing
Slay the Spire is a racing game because you progress from point A to B on a world map (racing track)Slay the Spire is a fighting game because characters fight and face each otherSlay the Spire is a simulator game because you simulate playing with cardsSlay the Spire is a turn-based RPG because you roleplay as a character who gets progressively stronger with gained experience and you take turnsSlay the Spire is an action RPG because you roleplay as a character who gets progressively stronger with gained experience and you take actions to winSlay the Spire is a chinese cultivation game because with every match you actually meditate and get stronger allowing you to eventually grow and beat the gameSlay the Spire is a third person shooter because you look at your character in third person perspective and the effects of cards shoot at enemies
>>1906377> everything is randomized, from your available resources, to when they are available, and in what order.This is just Civ though. What's the meaningful difference between losing a Spire run because you got shit cards versus losing a Civ game because you spawned in a tundra with no resources?
>>1906392you have the choice to go down a static reliable research path which allows you to always reliably build something that always reliably produces the resource you're missingyou also have the choice to search for a more suitable first city location instead of being forced to play in a tundra
>>1906392>play civ>spawn in a good place>can't do jack because got spearmen instead of settlerswelp
>luck isn't strategy>yes it is!>gambling is about long termism, do I fold or do I go all in? Do I sell during Bart Simpson spikey hair or do I diamond hands? Ah shit it's the spider event in FTL again and I don't have a blue option. I- I'm not literally reacting to immediate changes in the game, m- my number going up and down is a STRATEGY, why isn't this lucky rabbit's foot working??>Into the Breach is gambling too! You see, it's a puzzle game that sets up perfectly solvable outcomes no matter your build, you just have to figure it out, so... uh... just like my card games...>X-COM has RNG, so it's gambling too! Hah! Got you there!>RNG cannot have a place in strategy games!>Hah! That means you've invalidated everything that isn't Chess! Did you know soldiers have random attack values in RTSes and MOBAs?!This really is an autistic thread.I find Spire somewhat fun but I dislike most third floor bosses. The art style reminds me of a whimsical flash game designed like a linear JRPG that I'll never remember the name of. I don't particularly like the characters or the pretence that there's lore.I don't like that to beat level enemies and minibosses you're building a different deck to if you want to defeat the bosses. And that's ignoring the fact that you don't know who you're going up against this run.I feel this game, like other deckbuilders, is just a relic builder game.I'm just gambling and trying to remember 400 different things in the game from cards to potions to relics to events to damage sequences. It occupies me but it isn't fun and I don't feel like I'm strategising... I'm just watching a display of blinky lights and damage numbers, and frowning if my damage number wasn't big enough.
>>1906380>modded cardslol, lmao, and ijbol, and maybe even a rofl for old time's sake
>>1906380We're talking about Slay the Spire, keep up
>>1906525why do you and every other retard keep insisting that any RNG automatically makes a game not strategy? This isn't what's being argued at all
>>1906525>into the breach>perfectly solveable outcomesOkay, how do I solve this?
>>1906770skill issue
>>1903690>and knowing how to apply the statistics and feedback gathered from all of the playtesting they did.Yet they left time fucker aka get fucked if you play a shiv deck in, making an entire archetype worthless.
>>1906814Accuracy + wraith form
>>1906814Shiv decks are pretty good against Time Eater though. It's only a problem if he cuts your turn short but since you can easily play 12 cards a turn every turn it's not a big issue, a good shiv deck will scale hard enough to kill him before he gets too strong. If you can't do that then your deck just sucks.
>>1893152slay the spire sucked and you eceleb easily amused retards should kill yourselves.
>>1898218I haven't played a good one since the MTG game in the 90s.
>>1906670because their narrative crumbles otherwise as >>1906389 shows
>>1906389Slay the Spire is a shit game.
Lost Branch Of Legend does it better
Did OP know he was starting a dedicated slay the spire hate thread on the wrong board?
>read through this threadyep, it's mad cuz bad.
>slay the spire>darkest dungeon>underraillThe holy trinity of retard magnets. Also not strategy games.
>>1907352How does the Underrail /vm/ thread manage to maintain consistent shittiness?
>>1898026>strategy games don't have RNGLiterally half the strategy games on this board have RNG affecting them, sometime outright affecting core gameplay elements
>>1893152>How did Slay the Spire achieve such perfection?Developed by an asian guy and a white guy with testing feedback from netrunnerfags.
>>1909907You look like you've got your life figured out. Should I celebrate my payday with pizza or mcdonalds?
>>1906670It's very funny when you consider just how much RNG affect every little aspects of strategy games.
>>1913217and yet, it is nowhere near the core basis of gameplay, like with roguelike deckbuilders, which are entirely based on RNG.
>>1906770You needed to solve it last turnYou do actually think about where the monsters will move next, right?
>>1898026>>1894332Can we just agree to shoot these guys in the fucking head and dump their bodies into a landfill so we never have to hear them shitting their pants and crying in every thread? They don't even discuss strategy games, they just piss and shit and scream in every thread about MUH WRONG GENRE.What are these fucking imbeciles even gatekeeping? A dead board where every discussion gets bogged down into tedious discussion of semantics?Fucking KYSYes, Slay the Spire is a strategy game. It's a strategy game subgenre... >>1898026This is one of the dumbest fucking posts I've ever seen on 4chan. Who the could possibly be this much of a demented fucking loser, my god. Piss off and let the adults discuss their strategy games. Go fire up discord and screech max volume into vc until you calm down.
I just wanted to remind you all of how miserable these threads turn out, every time, because of some faggot who comes in to derail the discussion about the game and make it about them. I really wish jannies would permanently rangeban these crybaby faggots.>>1898799Imagine being this fucking stupid. How random is it when you control/select what the pool is comprised of? You build/draft the base, and adjust it with STRATEGY. As you STRATEGIZE about synergistic builds, consider probable outcomes, form a plan, and continue to correct to the median, you are experiencing what makes this a strategy game you fucking halfwit.I hate this fucking board. If all you want is to discuss HOI, Civ, there are plenty of threads to do so on this very slow board. You don't have to vent your stinky diapers in every thread like some brain-damaged mongrel unable to control their impulses.
>>1904610*90%https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cMxU4oIlJynb-nkL1Sg9szrKVMwXB0fdaGIvZLTfo0A/edit?gid=0#gid=0And the VODs if you want to verify for yourself:https://www.youtube.com/@xecnarvods/videos
This game makes shitters mald uncontrollably because they can't just read a guide and pretend to be good at it. It's beautiful. It might be the greatest filter ever devised.
>>1914704Yeah Doom is my favorite STRATEGY game too. We should make more Doom threads here, specially about the superior remake.
>>1914704>>1914701
>>1914701>>1914704I don't care if you discuss a card game, a lot of games discussed here are not strategy.Still "but it literally has STRATEGY!!!" is a retarded argument. Strategy doesn't mean what you think it means, roleplaying is not when you play a role etc.
>>1914862"Strategy game" doesn't mean "map painter". STS is a strategy game.
Is pretending to be retarded a RPG? I mean, obviously its a strategy one since you plan to get replies and get some outrageous bait ready, but it also have all the RP elements.
>>1914876All the STDs your mother collected over the years deserve a thread
>>1893194What's your winrate?
>>1907352Never understood how Underrail got popular.It falls into the same pitfall that many amateur CRPG fell into, which is that the only way to play is pure minmaxxing and it basically solves itself once you do.
Post your favorite decks that you managed to win with using your superior skill and strategy.
>>1914882You have the mind of a true strategist, anon.
>>1915806Was gonna ask how you're supposed to win with 5 chokes and basically nothing else, but I'm only noticing Snecko now.
>>1915806I'm only 9 hours into the game, dunno what you're doing there. but this poison deck of mine worked pretty well.
>>1923887
>>1923887>dunno what you're doing thereObviously choking.
>>189320241>>1914930idk and i cba to check but you can get near 100% with the watcher very easily because you can get into an infinite combo with just 2 cards neither of which are hard to acquire and with 1 more blue card you can even kill the time keeper which btfos other infinite combosthe silent is pretty good, the ironclad is monkey mode retard class, and the defect is the worst class which relies on spamming 0 cost cards but that strategy runs into issues against a lot of enemies and struggles with drawas every class the most important thing to do is prune your deck of garbage which is fundamentally not super fun imo since you end up rejecting cards most of the timemore cards buffing big decks would have at least made them semi viable (the watcher gets a card for energy based on deck size which works with their strategy but that's also why they suck) but it's just such a gamble because you rely on pulling off your combo to loopthe silent has great card draw so they're easier to learn and play normally with but the watcher is legit just broken it's so hillariously easy and boring>>1906525you're just bad and hate card games
>>1923887if it was a strategy game belonging on this board, you could just pick a card that wins you the encounter. Because strategy games provide you with tools to win, looks like your non-strategy game doesn't do that.
>>1923962The game gives you the tools to win at least 90% of ascension 20 runs. And you can always lower the difficulty if you're bad at strategy.
>>1923969strategy games provide you with the tools 100% of the time, the skill is in utilizing them. 90% of the time is not a strategy game, it's a roguelike deckbuilder. A separate non-strategy genre that doesn't belong on this board.
>>1924144deckbuilder isn't a genre
>>1924156so it doesn't belong on /tg/ either, nice. Fuck off
>>1924144>strategy games provide you with the tools 100% of the timeNo they don't lmao. There are unwinnable seeds in Civ, at least on deity.
>>1924188stay mad, loser
>>1924405stay a non-strategy game, slay the spire
>>1924407This makes it even more hilarious when it requires more and better strategy than your strategy game.
>>1893152>And yes this is a strategy gameGuess Halo is an rpg then
>>1914694That was turn 1, anon.
I've finally beaten A20 with Silent and killed that time slug nigger that ruined so many of my runs.That's 2 characters out of 4, now to get Defect and Watcher to reach A20 so I can waste eon of my life trying to beat it.
>>1925386For me it's like this>get the urge to enter the Spire again>obsess over it for two/three days in which I do nothing else but play the game>"what the fuck am I doing with my time" moment hits>uninstall>repeat 12 months later
>>1928172I just keep it installed and play a run or 2 a day when I'm in a call at work.Also having it on your phone is a blessing when traveling or waiting for a doctor's appointment.
I hate that the game has like 15 different layers of RNG that are critical for success I hope that they cut that roulette simulator ass shit down
>>1929519Skill issue
>>1929519You can cut out loads of RNG with the custom settings. Do you know what happens? The game winds up boring.
>>1929597strategy games don't rely on RNG, and they aren't boring... really activates your almonds. It's like this thread doesn't belong here...
>>1929617It doesn't. It's a card game.
boring card game post is off-topic
>>1929519Genuine skill issue.The only real RNG is a few events, everything else can be mitigated, taken at your own risk or compensated for before it happens.
>>1929660>commenting on the thread is off-topic
What's the point of grinding ascension again?
>>1929872I beat A20 on all charactersThe game is just a glorified RNG simulator to fuck around and waste some time with>cards offered>potions>relics>boss relics offered>paths available>events>enemy encounters>enemy intents>cards with random effects>card drawsAll random with the influence you have on them varying from slight to none at all
>>1929617>strategy games don't rely on RNGHow does Civ map generation work?How is Civ combat resolved?
>>1929980>I beat A20 Good on you for finishing the tutorial, what's your win rate?
>>1929943To learn the game while gradually increasing difficulty, but nobody's going to look down on you if you skip straight to A20, there should be a mod to do that.
>>1930027>How is Civ combat resolved?In C-evo very formulaically
>>1930041Can you calculate the outcome before it happens?
>>1930029idk what's your win rate playing the slots
>>1930043What's the world's best slots player's win rate?
>>1930042Yeah it shows you what will happen if you attack
>>1930029What's supposed to be the actual game if that's the tutorial?
>>1930048Can you post a screenshot of that?
>>1930051A20h winstreaks, or winrate tracking.Any monkey can win a single run if the stars align, the skill is in doing it consistently.
>>1930054Can you post arguments instead of trying and failing to ask leading questions for a gotcha?
>>1930059You made a claim that isn't true.Or I'm lying about it, there is a very easy way to prove me wrong but you seem to be avoiding it for some reason.
>>1930057That's way too gay for me senpai sorry I'll just stay satisfied with completing the "tutorial" I guess
>>1930065That's fine, I also like rerolling my civ starts until I get something completely broken then go around saying I beat deity.
>>1929980>I beat A20 on all characters>"cards are too RNG"You're a terrible liar
>>1930057>A20h winstreaks, or winrate tracking.so autism.
>>1930243Also called high skill gameplay.Does this board play anything other than solved growth simulators?
>slay the spire>darkest dungeon>FTLThe holy trinity of "risk management and play the most boring way possible to win" retard magnets. Case in point, Slay the Spire fangays can't even tell the genre of game they're playing.
>>1930064It is true though? Have you ever played civ?and no I'm not going to download and start up a game of civ to satisfy a retard on 4chan
>>1931556What will be the outcome of this combat?
>>1930057I can't Imagine being this tryhard about a phone game people play while on the toilet
I know it might be off topic but Doom would be my favorite RPG, a game where you roleplay a demon slayer, if I actually liked Doom much. It's okay but I played Diablo 2 way more than I played Doom and it's not like I am a big fan of that one either.
>>1931637I can't imagine being so chronically constipated that you regularly play games while shitting
>>1931556>>1931579I'm sure he'll respond any minute now.
