No love for Space Haven?Great ship-building galaxy strategy game with crew management elements. alien infections, augmentations, research, space battles, resource management. Anyone else play?
>>1895402dumping ships and stations
>>1895402>Great ship-building galaxy strategy game with crew management elements.As nice as it looks, it has barely any content after 5+ years of development. Also, what should take one hour of game play to accomplish will take you three.>>1895405>dumping the first google result
I got bored after an hour.
>>1895402gave me a few hours of enjoyment I guess. It's better than most in its niche
>>1895402I really want to like it but I can't, at least the way it is now, but playing it two years after the last time I did, the core gameplay had no change:>Make barely functional space box>Enter derelict with armed crew>Clear of aliens (and now robots!)>Wait many ingame days to dismantle and recycle useful stuff>Mining isn't productive until mid-game>Need too many growing beds to feed a modest crew size>Combat is bunching up with the most firepower in a corridor>Crew doesn't feel distinct beyond max skills and meaningless traits>Slowly research stuff that should have been unlocked since the start>Bored of doing the same thing over and over while boarding becomes slowly more difficultMaybe if you like building ships or interior design, you can have more fun with it, but the gameplay is so barebones and additions in the last two years doesn't seen to address any of the problems I have with it. It's not content that it's the problem, the basic gameplay loop is repetitive, unengaging and unrewarding.
>>1895402First time I hear about this game but it reminds me of that one spacestation management game Double Fine abandoned. Spacebase DF-9 is its name from what I've checked.
>>1895608this... I was hyped for it but the gameplay killed me
>>1895402The Game was interesting and looked cool early on then a random slave update out of nowhere basically tanked a lot of fan hype and potential buyers. Honestly don't think they recovered since then.
>>1896377Weird, that made me play more.
>>1895402Oh wow, i didnt notice this thread upI like Spess Haven. Very brootal game imo. Mechanics aren't extremely brutal per se but the situations you get into are sort of.Development takes two million years though.
>>1896393This is my fat battleship that i made one year ago... and in that time there was one whole patch? two?
>>1896394ugly as fuck.take notes
>>1896411no ur ship is ugly as fuck>lopsided gun layout, rear and aft>three different scattered avenues of assault to protect against when dealing with boarding parties>no workflow from storage to raw materials processing to manufacturing>kitchen and messhall isn't in the center of the ship so people can more easily convene and disperse after eating and break time>take notesi think not
>>1896416why does your refinery have a spacesuit door?
>>1896416>lopsided gun layout, rear and aft literally makes no difference >three different scattered avenues of assault to protect against when dealing with boarding parties I have a team of dedicated super-soldiers that one shot everything with laser rifles>no workflow from storage to raw materials processing to manufacturing literally what? my drones do all logistics while my crew plays video games>kitchen and messhall isn't in the center of the ship so people can more easily convene and disperse after eating and break timethey only eat before and after returning to their bedrooms so not an issue >*poos on you*
>big shipokay now do the real accomplishment and build a fleet instead (actual hardest thing in the game)
>>1896418No point in temperature controlling refineries, especially multiple ones, that are often working around the clock. All that heat isn't worth controlling, so just lock out the entire area and let people go in and out with suits instead.>>1896418>literally makes no difference I don't care about aesthetics, but I sure as shit insult other people's aesthetics>I have a team of dedicated super-soldiers that one shot everything with laser riflesOh la dee da, form and function dont matter for ugliness simply because you can ignore it (ignoring that for most of the fucking game you need to get to the point you can ignore it)>no attention to logistics of materials or workforceSee above.My ship is a carefully considered blend of form, function, and symmetry. Yours looks like any other generic barge out there.>*poos on you*no u>>1896437I was in the process of putting together a cruiser/destroyer escort before i just gradually stopped playing. Tbh there's nothing encouraging multiple-ship playstyle imo and its a pain in the ass transferring men and materiel back and forth. Nothing beyond more efficient point use for weapons, iirc, anyway.
>>1895667The research thing sort of killed my interest, prior to v10 there was no research and you just had everything at the start. Research doesn't feel meaningful, just something you devote someone to for a while to slowly unlock stuff so you can fully enjoy the game.I would've said all the basic stuff should've been unlocked from the start and finding new designs should've been done by searching derelicts for truly wondrous stuff.
>>1899022>a new hope start>you explicitly got the ship from a merchant baron>thus implying you have been living in space already>somehow doesn't know what a lvl 2 hyperengine is despite everyone else already running around with oneimmersion breaking quite honestly like are they seriously claiming we didn't just copy the schematics for these things or even have them aboard the ship already?
>>1895402Every update since the early ones has made the game worse to play.
>>1899022>Hire a nerd or two whose only skill above 8 is research>Research everything>fucking nothing else for them to do>send the nerds outside the airlock>warp away to let them die in space
reminder that in space there's no law against feeding pirates their own crew
>>1899113reminder in space haven there's no law against patching all this until its not remotely enjoyable.
>>1899312boohoo nigga
>>1899356>boohoo the devs took a solid game and have made it progressively worsekek thats a take I guess
>>1899409it's a 2D pixelshit game you mentally challenged dumbfuck, only autistic pixelcounting retards like you can tell if the game has gotten worse or better
>>1899421kek you're so mad
>>1899082All the starts are low effort. I get that they want to give you a blank canvas but they could at least give your 'starting ship' the verisimilitude of a purpose.
>>1899456you couldn't even come with a proper clap-back so you just resort to a pathetic cope like the spineless niggerloving faggot you are LMAO
>>1896377Random slave update?
https://steamcommunity.com/games/979110/announcements/detail/7165884436587741650thoughts on the new update? I wonder if they'll let you sell them out to the cul- CHURCH of New Haven
>>1895402Is it out of EA yet? Been waiting for this one.
>>1902094>News of a new update releases a little after this thread was made>When there's like half a year between updatessuspicious
I probably sucked at it last time I've touched it, but other than being boring at times I had a problem of my crew not expanding, how am I supposed to progress if I don't run into "save some guys from ayys" missions? Also I like that npcs can fight each other and not just there for (You) only
>>1903401Leisure stations have nocs with an exclamation mark above their head you can recruit but they cost money
bomp
Game is shit until they have a proper station mode where I can live in a station like that one start and build it myself.
>>1902128it's been in EA for four fuckin yearsit's never coming out
>>1906959>four fuckin yearsThat's amateur hours.Consider how long Paradox games stay in "EA", but they call alpha updates "DLCs" and put a price tag on them.
>>1907034>comparing these idiot devs to the shitters that make map painting gamesmore accurate than you think in multiple ways.
>>1907164>these devsHuh I thought it's a solo indie dev
>>1907166Every update note showing how they are taking features away, fucking shit up, or adding bloated unneeded systems starts with "we" and proceeds to say "we" 200 times so unless this motherfucker has multiple personalities or is using the royal we there is a team kek
>>1907166>>1907185example:>Glad to find you here in this part of the Galaxy. We have some news to share! We've been working in the background on the next Major Update. This next update will now mark the 20th Major Update for Space Haven. As such this update will be a big milestone for the game and also for us.>We've been working on something special for this update. The main role of this update will be the Exodus Fleet and a main quest line, comprised of missions that will build up a story for the Search of Eden.>We've once again turned to our skilled writer by the name of Hambone to write a storyline that is presented through dialogue between characters belonging to the Exodus Fleet.
what a shitty update, tiny ass loredump is all it is. Unless they add multi-floor shipbuilding then it's not newsworthy
>>1907229Game needs like half the "updates" reverted and a proper station mode. Z-levels won't really add much to this game beyond tedium given how layouts, movement, and construction works.
>>1907232it's tedium only for untalented trash casuals
>>1907238kek
>>1907185>they are taking features awaySounds odd. What features have they removed?Which version should I download for the most feature-complete experience at this time?
>>1907549Just start with the latest version. I'm being a bit hyperbolic for the sake of it. The game isn't unsalvageable or anything and is "fun" for a bit.
>more barebones and one-note than fucking rimworldImpressive, I didn't think it was possible
>>1907787It essentially is RW with SOS2 mod, but built from the ground up as a space game rather than crudely hacked into one. At least that's what I was looking for in this game.And so far it delivers on that front.Atmospherics sim for different gases, directional thermal effects with near zero K in shade and hundreds in direct starlight, good stuff.A shame the realism wrt thermodynamics ends there, these ship systems run insanely cool and magically get rid of excess heat without radiating it out. Woulda been cooler with DV Rings of Saturn style realistic lowtech heatpunk.
>>1895402Everything looks like a box.would be cool with ze levels
>>1907186k so 2 devs? lol
>>1907549OP here ive played it for 4 years, just get the current version, the AI and economy is way better. factions expand and fight each other even when you're not looking so the whole game feels pretty alive. I've never been to the end yet idk what people are talking about it being "easy"
>>1908021No he's a schizo dev
>>1908026There's territory?
>>1908041yes. I think it's randomly set up for each new playtrough too
>>1908026Well I did download alpha 19 and played it for a while. My ship's at 3300 mass now with all basic resources finally stabilized.>idk what people are talking about it being "easy"Well, it does get easier once you get over the "everything is constantly running out" early game phase. Even though there are things I can't do yet (like taking on armed pirate ships), there's no longer a constantly looming risk of game over on the horizon. It can only get easier from now on.Getting started even on medium difficulty was surprisingly a challenge. It seems you could easily get fucked if you get bad RNG on sector resources, pick wrong research order or just prioritize wrong things otherwise. Also I was desperately low on infra blocks for the longest time because I like to constantly adjust my designs and test things. Sucks that build tools use them.>factions expand and fight each other even when you're not lookingSo that's a new feature? It seems pretty cool so far. I've already seen the military take over one sector and another is asking me to build a station for them. Factions fighting each other is also great for the opportunistic looter in me. Though it seems there's a small bug, faction ships killed in sectors outside yours don't show up as wrecks on the map before you travel to that sector. But at least the live ship markers disappear. Also I wish you could claim any wreck you want. At least fully functional ships that you fought over. Sucks to find a cool ship design that you'd like to add to your fleet but the only option is to scrap it. Can't even save a blueprint or something to copy it later.And while I'm here, what's the meta for dealing with alien parasites on your ship? Is there a way to flush them out? Or a way to prevent the facehugger attacks, or at least stop the infection? Would drafting the sleeping victim help? I don't have advanced medical facilities of my own yet so shit's very dangerous.
>>1903401cryo sleepers from derelictshiring from friendly stationsimprisoning and recruiting hostile crews
>>1895402I was addicted to this game for a week or so, but it's not very deep.
>>1903401Attack random people and capture some slaves.
>>1896445>No point in temperature controlling refineriesThat exploit has been fixed, refineries slow down and eventually shut down from overheating. Or break.
Did he ever change the random crew system? I played it a long time ago but got tired of it because the first 10 minutes was always just mashing random to get a good stat distribution.
>>1908715Collecting resources and scavenging is fun but you're right in it not exactly being dwarf fortress in space.
>>1909219It's has none of dorf fort's jank but all the depth.I can't believe that anyone in 2024 would think DF's gameplay is deep.You might want to try Rimworld with SOS2 mod if you want DF in space. RW mogs DF any day but SOS lacks some of Space Haven's depth when it comes to space features and gameplay.
>>1909582The day a space vampire can haunt my ship and start killing off the crew is the day I say space haven has depth.
>>1909596>haunt my ship and start killing off the crewAlien parasites already do that. Sporal infections are even more insidious, although not as lethal. So much for dorf "depth" lol
Been playing for a while now. This game is so fun. Just finished all research about a month ago. Now what should I do with the remaining 3 system points?Maybe remodel the nose to include 3 autoturrets? 3 asymmetric PDs covering the airlocks?I could also free additional 2 system points by removing one of the generators. The ship does't really need more than one. It's just for backup atm.
Ahahahaha I got aliens to infect a slaver ship
Oh there's already a victory condition>no option to stay in current galaxyScrew that, I'm loading an older save and seeing how big the map actually s
>>1912204where's the option to burn it amirite
>>1915657I'm sure they'll get there within 4 years or so. The upcoming alpha 20 is introducing a framework for the Exodus fleet and its main questline. Maybe we'll get a Cult of New Haven / betrayal questline in update 21.
The game is fun for a short stint during the initial struggle phase. Once you've got enough shit to keep your crew alive for 20+ days, printing rifles to buy ship parts and get some weapons, you're just on cruise control and realize there's actually very little to do. I haven't even gotten to Eden, but I don't see what else there is aside from more AI mulching with ship to ship bombardment.
>>1916202That's where the game starts for me. The early game hobo phase is never terribly interesting in games.I love how ship to ship combat plays out, but admittedly it's really hard to tweak your difficulty settings and gameplay to get the most fun encounters.
If they just added sex like Norland, it would be an instant hit
>>1916662>game has slavery system>adds sex>you can have sex with the slavesit'd be an instant hit with the coomer audience
>>1916662>>1916665There's already rimworld for that
spacepoo
>>1895402I remember playing it when released. I also remember it sucked ass. Mightaswell reinstall it and see if its better now
>>1924891It's meh, don't think you're missing out anons
>>1924905desu I think the only thing it has going for it are the visuals
>>1901025>twitter lingo>thinks anyone else is a niggerloving faggotOh yeah he's mad
Isn't this another completely and utterly abandoned early access derelict?
>>1895402>colony sim>2D map onlyUtter.FuckingGarbage.Sims 1 release 25 years ago supported multiple levelsWhy the fuck is having more than a single floor a lost technology?
>>1926655look bud, the best I can do is 5+ years of early access with tiny improvements to a dorf fort clone.
>>1895402Trash fucking gameGetting anything done is a major fucking chore, takes too long and your NPC's are brain damaged idiots that will do everything the longest most painful way possible.And worst of fucking all, you can't see a characters portrait before accepting them in to your crew, aka you have a 80% chance of hiring some black nubian night nigger in to your crew.Anything that needs to be done quickly to prevent everyone dying requires you to repetitively micromanage the same person.As great of a concept it is and how nice it can look, shit gameplay will always ruin it.
>>1926648>Isn't this another completely and utterly abandoned early access derelict?One of the Devs probably started this thread, squeezing the last few drops of rev from this before dropping it in the bin>>1926678Look... the dev is dealing with some personal stuff okay. Just give them 10 more years, it'll get better we promise
>>1895667This.The best the game has to offer is the initial construction of your ship and boarding pirates.Cleaning up derelicts quickly becomes boring.Mining feels lame: it makes me angry that I can get nothing out of a solid space rock.The final 1/3 of my playthrough was just flying through all the star systems without stopping.I feel like the game is designed to last two hours so you can't get a refund on Steam
>>1927109What is this screenshot from, then?
Coom mods would save it
>>1895402My steam library consists mainly of different flavored autism spreadsheet simulators & this is one game I couldn't get into.Since you are initially on the clock, a lot of things can become not worth the time & effort.Some recipes are a waste of power and some activities are a waste of food and oxygen.
>>1933783>Since you are initially on the clockHuh?>a lot of things can become not worth the time & effort.Huh??>Some recipes are a waste of power and some activities are a waste of food and oxygen.Huh???I swear some people talk about this game in so fucking vague terms you might as well be hallucinating AI chatbots
>>1934960In early game, you are constantly running low on some sort of important resource so any activity not related to getting important resources is a waste.
