>historic total war is bett..ackNope fantasy and magic is better
>>1901382What am I looking at?
>>1901383ASSFAGGOTS. Smite got a new champ that can clone itself and yeet white goop over other champs.
>>1901383>what am I looking at
Historical total war fans really excited to unlock the next spear and shield infantry thats the same shit as the previous 4
>>1901387What am I looking atWho's winning
>>1901390Fantasy total war fags really excited to unlock the next creature behind paywall thats same turbo overpowered paywalled creature as the previous 3
>>1901392>What am I looking at>Who's winning>>1901390They really do be like that lmao
>>1901390>>1901393>it gets excited, mayhaps even a smidgen aroused when it clicks a button and the game replaces it's soldiers with a different unit
Amerimutts can't comprehend that actual White people (Evropeans) want to play the historical games because they can feel connection while playing the factions. You brown subhumans have no culture nor history so every faction is just a different roster/bonuses. I love the starting turns in wh3 but I get burnt out very quickly
>>1901412>We white europeans>36% of london population and falling fastlol, far more whites in america than in hinduropa rajeesh
>>1901417anglofilth aren't European>far more whites in americalmao
>>1901417LMAO mutts are overtaking whites in last statistics
>>1901382>spam flyers the gameDon't get we wrong i enjoyed the ever living fuck out of steamrolling ai as flyers only woods in twwh2 but it really begs the question of why would anyone even play footslog factions.
>>1901382nice fireworks i guess...?
>>1901387>>1901394looks like shit, what's even happening?
>>1901464lots of explosions and bright colors, amerimutt subhumans need constant dopamine to continue playing
>>1901382Fantasy is better, but as a medieval ii mod, new engine sucks.
>>1901390Can't defend this in the slighest, I get hard as shit researching a unit with better stats
This is the strategy game equivalent of a Gachafag proudly stating how great it's combat is when it's just button-mashing a braindead AI with a bajillion particle effects
>>1901493this^ too often there's zero strategy involved in using spells
>>1901431t. latrino
>>1901382so weird seeing multiple greater daemons in the same army. dawn of war brain is telling me you should be restricted to one
>>1901382I dont care for historical or fantasy; I just want a good Total War game.
>>1902045The Chinaman game is pretty good.Only real problem for me is that infantry is too weak because of their bad mobility.
>>1901952Uh, that's actually a good insult, wonder why rednecks don't use it against us instead of beaner.>>1901390Better than being a dlc paypig.
>>1901383toys
>>1902045Video games aren't allowed to be good anymore.
>>1902011>dawn of war brain is telling me you should be restricted to oneThat's because Dawn of War is a good game
>>1902045Too bad, you get more fantasy virtual barbie dolls (that you ironically can't even dress up).
>>1901390I mean you're not wrong. the only historical title I'd be somewhat hyped for is obviously medieval 3
>>1901390listen here retard, spearmanii are extremely diverse and are the galapagos finch of ancient warfare
>>1902355Reminder phalanxes are no longer considered historically valid.
>>1901382Is this another wargame for babies? Ha ha. Do you like watching the pretty birdies flap? The pink sparklers?These dumbed down toy soldier games are laughable. There is not strategy. There is tactics at best. Compared to a true grand strategy game like HoI 4 they are closer to Rainbow 6.
>>1902373>ancient greek warfare (which is also documented by contemporaneous non-greeks) is fiction
>listen here retard, spearmanii are extremely diverse and are the galapagos finch of ancient warfare
>>1902753you will never be the real robbieif you are actually black whining about people liking spearmanii is the funniest shit considering your people were still using spears when whitey showed up with the maxim gun and quinine to plant his flag on your tribal shithole lands
>you will never be the real robbie>if you are actually black whining about people liking spearmanii is the funniest shit considering your people were still using spears when whitey showed up with the maxim gun and quinine to plant his flag on your tribal shithole lands
>>you will never be the real robbie>>if you are actually black whining about people liking spearmanii is the funniest shit considering your people were still using spears when whitey showed up with the maxim gun and quinine to plant his flag on your tribal shithole lands
>>1901382Is this DoTA? Lmao
>>1901390upgrading the blacksmith in med2 to make my guys look better is what really excites me.
>getting this mad because you'll never be a real tranny
>>1901493>>1901499Spells don't require much strategy beyond micro, but their existence shakes up the strategy of Fantasy compared to historical. Having big lines that smash into each other with hammer and anvil cavalry isn't the best course of action when a giant meteor can smash into your line with little warning. The AI is programmed with historical tendancies so it's easy to abuse, but multiplayer games and campaigns have very different battles. They have much longer skirmish phases and a larger emphasis on a large battlefield of smaller engagements to avoid the possibility of a nuke spell destroying your whole army. It's interesting in a /tg/ sense since you finally get the answer to "how would medieval warfare work with wizards and dragons around"
>>1902952It doesn't help that cav is terribly implemented in the total war Warhammer games.
>>1901382Magic is dumbhttps://files.catbox.moe/0nhbzl.mp4
>>1901382Dude, why do we need armies at this point if it's one-click-nuke? Is it still Total War?
>>1901412You will never be European ahmed bin roosho
>>1901382Kek all the brown tradcath latrino mutts seething in this thread and crying about aryan Americans enjoying fantasy.The real truth nuke is to enjoy fantasy you have to be a pure aryan and really understand the aryan aesthetic, and the soul and beauty that is fantasy. You can’t just go “I’m 1/72th Spanish European so time to play castille in total war medieval, wow I’m so connected to my white ancestors even though I’m a brown incel chud :)”Real whites feel connected to the high elves and resonate with their battle agaisnt orcs because this was literally happening before the flood and we are their spiritual and racial descendants.
>>1903163Dwarves are coolerer.
>>1901382Yes fantasy and magic is better for people that want to just look at flashy effects and not play the game.
>>1901383>What am I looking at?Retarded evil bird-men that aren't actually men giving someone space AIDS.>>1901392>Who's winningTzeentch, most likely.
>>1902011Nothing wrong with different games having different scale.
>>1903056Armies are better. Picking hero focused skills on your Lord is a waste of points. Enhancing his tactical capabilities is far, far better. Going into campaign buffing abilities is meta. This didn't change since TW:W1>>1903488TWW is more ridiculous and freakshitty than AoS. They should have either went back to old replenishment and recruitment system which naturally capped elites or introduce hard tabletop caps into the base game.
I mostly play Cathay with the corruption mod and a shitload of submods.
>>1903163god damn you are retarded, you and your fellow amerimutts will never be white. There is a reason you prefer fantasoi garbage over history. You have no history
>>1903163>I’m 1/72th Spanish European so time to play castille in total war medievalMe but unironically playing as a catala count in CK2.
>>1902959it's fine but has to be used in conjunction with other units to be effective.
>>1903676I was really hoping the Monkey king leaks were real but I'm still happy with what we got.
>>1901382god I fucking hate fantasy total war
>>getting this mad because you'll never be a real tranny
>>1903966fuck krauts for creating trannies in the first place
>>1901382kill yourself, by that I mean end your life
>>1904077what did he mean by this
163except ethiopians are more genetically similar to caucasians than bantus>obviously differences between people in terms of intelligencewithout even asking i know you're an amerimutt. crazy right?
>>1904135that's right, and they're also the only niggers who learned how to write lmao
fantasy fags should be forced to wear a yellow star so people can stay clear of them.
>>1904076>krautswhat were the actual ethnicities of the weimar era tranny pioneers? the answer may shock you
>>1904171how can you say something like that right on holocaust remembrance day and the one year and one month and three week anniversary of october 7th 2023 (never forget)that's not to say that magnus hirschfeld the founder of the institute for sexual studies in 1930s germany was jewish, that's a crazy conspiracy theory. i'm just mentioning the date
all that tranny talk is alright but can we go back to bashing ameriniggers?
>>1903828It is absolutely dogshit. Light cav do fuck all to almost all archers. Most having issues running down units. Most heavy cav is crazy slow and archers fire with pinpoint accuracy. Sure, you can micro and get okay results but that's just due to the AI being beyond bad. Most maps are so small that there is no room to maneuver. Everything in the game breaks down too when it comes to single entities. AI has no way to deal with it.
>kill yourself, by that I mean end your life
>>1903830Redpill me on those, they passed me by.
>>1903056Here are your diverse armies thanks to fantasy
>>1901390Here's what fanatsy armies look like with "unit diversity"Also >>1905346
>YOOO MY HUMAN SPEARMANII ARE FIGHTING THE RAT SPEARMANII HOLY MOTHER OF UNIT DIVERSITYYYYwhy are fantasoi brownmerican subhumans like this
>>1905346>>1905349how many of these do you have
>>1901382What's so cool about this? It's a just some monsters throwing their shit
>>1901382No I will not buy 200 dlc packs to add races that should be in the default game. Buy a fucking ad.
>>1901382Shit gameplay is shit gameplay. The setting is irrelevant. CA haven't made a good game in a decade and they don't need to because marketing is in charge and cannibalised the company.
>>1901390Cope, because there are no 'historical fans' and the current rot in Total War started with Rome 2, a 'historical' game.
Good Total war game where France isn't one province?Impossible
>>1906394france is one province irl too, wars end when you take paris
>>1906398>wars end when you take parisThe 100 years war happened, amerikek
>>1906593sexacentennial cope
>why are fantasoi brownmerican subhumans like this
>Cope, because there are no 'historical fans' and the current rot in Total War started with Rome 2, a 'historical' game.
>The 100 years war happened, amerikek
>>1907129>>1907131>>1907133no one cares bro
>>1901426>Hitler admired brits for their racial purity>they aren't true Europeansyou guys are never not funny
>>1907836I really don't care, seethe judeo-anglo cancer
>>1907843>I don't care>respondsLike I said, never not funny
>>1901382>Podcast made the asperger look reasonable
>>1907131>pic relatedliterally me fr no cap
>no one cares bro
>>1906394Medieval 2
>>1908630no one cares robbie wannabeyou will never be funny like he was
Historyfags will bitch and moan about fantasy then turn around and crucify me for daring to like dynasties. Bunch of faggots endlessly wanking med 2 (which they will only play modded because the base game is broken in campaign and battle) or worse, shogun 2.Bronze age total war is real; fuck you, I got mine.
>>1909408nice strawman, faggot
>>1909411>they will call you everything but a liar
>>1909415who is "they", retard?
>>1909429Don't be coy, it makes you look gay.
>>1909431your posts make you look like a retard
>>1909433You've run out of insults already? Can you conceive of anything besides retardation and faggotry, or is it just a matter of personal familiarity? Come on, use your brain for once.
>>1909443what am I supposed to discuss with you? you made up a strawman noone gives a fuck about, if you want to play dynasties then play it. fucking retard
>>1909448>exclaims strawman (true), does not refute the premise>frames pointless insults as a "discussion">accomplishes nothing and leavesWe got a real winner here. Probably wasn't even a historyfag.
>>1909503what premise?
>>1909531Another anon, but the premise is obvious: 'history vs. fantasy' is an invention of the TW reddit. No one who despises what CA has done to the series in terms of gameplay thinks the issue is the setting. See comment about issues that started in Rome 2. Those who do think the problem is fantasy tend to have an inexplicably high opinion of Attila, a game with all the tone that 'history fans' want but is a thoroughly modern TW game, which is to say that it's trash. Just like Warhammer, the only thing Attila had going for it was the setting. CA can no longer sell any game on it's own merits: marketing took over the company because only marketing affects sales. No one who actually understands what made TW good to begin with at CA is in any position to make it happen. So there will never be a good TW game ever again, regardless of the setting.The people who think any of the games of the past 11 years are any good at all, universally lack the ability to make any coherent comment about gameplay, and don't notice obvious problems.
>>1909820that's not what the previous has said at allAlso, you are obviously right about the drop of quality of these games compared to, say, rome1/med2 etc. I want a historical game, not a fantasy-based one, because I want to play actual historical factions and relate to them. I can't do that in fantasoi games, I get burnt out really quickly.CA has a monopoly where it comes to this strategy subgenre. I wish the games were better, but if they aren't I want to at least play as Europeans
>>1909822Well you can't do it in any supposedly 'historical' modern TW game either, because any semblance of battles having structure has been ripped out and replaced with simplified stat-focused 'game design', with barely a nod towards the lite-simulation that TW battles originally started as. That has nothing to do with the setting. For the campaign, they've shifted towards the Paradox model of 'RPG' nonsense and mana/noun resources, where you get to role-play less as the Great Leader and more as His Irrelevant Bean Counter. As for the premise, it starts at >>1909408 and I am scornful of it, but understand it's origin to be the CA-controlled TW subreddit, where gameplay discussion is effectively banned.
>>1901383Bird furfags fucking shit up
Total war as a whole would be better if the games were balanced around smaller battles with armies that have 10-15 units tops instead of 40vs40 doomstacks.Doomstacking kills all the fun in the game for me.
>>1901382Why does it look so fucking bad? Both in terms of the extremely outdated graphics, and the awful, cartoony warcraft style.I thought Warhammer was supposed to be grittier.
>>1918272>cartoony warcraft styleIt feels like the original artists quit and were replaced with the generic fantasy slop artists you see on art station. WH1 was way grittier and honestly felt like it was historical autists doing fantasy. WH3 looks like plastic toys.
>>1901382This looks more League of Legends than Total war tbqhI can’t fathom someone seeing that webm and thinking that looks better than a Shogun 2 or Attila battle
>>1901390Yes. Except replace spearman with heavy shock cavalry man.
>>1902750I think he means the hoplite phalanx being a disciplined shield wall has been largely discredited, which is true. A classical phalanx was just a militia mob formed up in ranks and had no disciplicine or tactical nuance beyond charging. The spartans were completely unique in being able to march in step and retreat in good order
>>1921930i mean, same can be said for the GW models themselves.
>>1901394>rome is bet-ACK
>>1905349>using youtube clickbait armies as an example of the gameabsolute state of you
>>1905346>>1905349>fags will watch funless tryhards and think that that's the only way how a game can be playedjewtube and it's consequences was a disaster for vidya
>>1922040Just goes to show historical artists are better at fantasy than fantasy ones. Fuels my theory that the original art team quit and were replaced with artstation slop farmers.
>>1901382I can get into a Warhammer faction for about a week before Total War wears out its welcome. Can't imagine how fast the historical games get stale.
>>1923142They tend to be faster thank god. Outside of Shogun 2 which feels weirdly slower and I can't place why.
>>1923142>>1923279Everyone says different things about the pace of battles, without noticing each other because the TW audience has always been irredeemably Autistic. Most in my experience say that Rome 1 and Shogun 2 are fast-paced. I think the truth is really that the pace is determined by player choices: what units they brought and the tactics that they prefer to use, which is how it should be. In more recent games, CA has let their control-freakery lock everything down, which is why even a setting that was anticipated for years(Warhammer) is disappointing because it's not really Total War with Warhammer stuff. CA have designed all modern TW games how they themselves play them, but unfortunately most of CA's staff who have actually played any older TW games didn't really explore the mechanics, so they don't notice that they're missing.
>>1902011Have you considered mods
>>1901382Bought TW1 during the Steam Sales, never really played a TW game before.Which campaign should I pick? Game's UI say Dwarves are easy mode, should I start with those?
>>1924127It's hard to say because all the factions on TW1 got updates... in later games. Beastmen didn't get fixed until TW2. Chaos didn't get fixed till TW3.
>>1922021This is absolutely false. Every city-state had mandated militia service and almost every citizen between 20-50 years had military experience, like the roman republic. In antiquity almost all men served in their respective armies, from ancient Mesopotamia, Egypt, and almost every culture in the Mediterranean. Hoplite phalanx was not prussians, but all their members were experienced. Almost every year, by summer, was a short term campaign against other city state or against some overseas colony. They were not professionals like our armies today, but all knew their thing. Also, the mere existence of the citicenship was to be able to afford military equipment to serve.Even in ancient Egypt there were conscription. You underestimate ancient peoples because you have seen so many marine telefilms stupid amerifat.Nothing about it has been discredited. In ancient times armies were raised for a campaign and to be dissolved after it finished because the majority of the population were peasants, and somebody had to go back to work. You could not maintain a huge army in an agricultural society.Tryo to fight against one of those armed peasants and you will see.
>>1924127Empire. They're the closest to "Basic State" and makes it easier to understand. Nothing really too out there till the upper tiers so you get a handle on the lower tiers.
>>1924238Did a few battles, is it normal that it's this... slow?I'm not talking about walking/sprinting speed or killing time, but there is a weird and noticeable delay between any orders (other "just keep going forward") and the squad actually looking like it's starting to change its behaviour.Is it my computer struggling to process something like pathfinding, some discipline/communication stat I need to improve somehow, or that's just how the game work?
>>1924355Its normal. It feels a bit off at first but its to avoid the issue of "Instant Orders" where a unit can instantly somehow turn and deal with a flanking enemy or some such.
>>1924355You can't really do sweaty micro like it's an RTS. It kinda comes down to positioning. The gameplay is pretty much built around historical battle formations. If you have people with guns you need to put them in a spot where they have line of sight of the enemy. Friendly fire is also a huge deal if there are explosives. Then comes the problem of getting your firing squad flanked. It is really annoying how if 1 unit gets stuck then the whole squad gets stuck or you have a monster unit stuck on literally 2 guys it can just step on. This is why I never play any cavalry heavy factions. The devs kinda peaked with this design in TW1. As the series went on it became less about how a fantasy army would fight with an army and more about buffs you get from playing minigames or OP units. I.E. Dwarves always have the edge fighting underground, because underground maps favor artillery and have no flanking options. Even in the campaign map Dwarves could use the underpass to move around mountains better by pathing through them. In the newer games the design is like "Sack 3 settlements to get +20 damage in your next fight!"
>>1921930The games somehow got WORSE over the years? That's crazy
>>1926289surely it's not some guy's shitty computer
>>1902045>Total War: Ukraine 2022>Drone Pack DLC>Gifts From NATO DLC>Battle of Kursk DLC>Blood and Gore DLC>6 months after being released broken as shit>Total War: Crimea 2014
>>1901382>historical>fantasy and magicFor me, it's Troy Mythos
I like both for different reasons. Usually I prefer the Warhammer games, but they can't scratch that certain itch that the historical titles can. Massive fan of the cOMPANY OF hEROES SERIES
>>1926289>>1926405Thanks. I grabbed a random picture from the internet. This one better conveys just how hard the art style has fallen off a cliff since the first game.
All Total War games are bottlenecked by retarded AI and campaign mechanics. You only struggle for the first ~20 turns when you use the most basic units and after that you just effortlessly autobattle for the rest of the campaign.That being said, fantasy has much better potential, and with Warhams they actually started using mechanics to make factions play different.
>>1926560>All Total War games are bottlenecked by retarded AI and campaign mechanics.This always pissed me off. They kinda fixed it. WH3 has 2 difficulty sliders. 1 for how smart the ai is and 1 for ai cheats. I always leave ai cheats off. Also a lot of newer lords have a way to teleport around the map, so the AI attacking your massive boarder is less of a problem. The campaign map design is also way better in immortal empires. There are more chokepoints. The battlemaps are objectively worse though.>You only struggle for the first ~20 turns when you use the most basic units and after that you just effortlessly autobattle for the rest of the campaign.Spamming auto-resolve kinda ruins the game. It becomes way more enjoyable if you set a limit like "Don't auto resolve battles against a major enemy lord". Also lategame in WH3 stays hard, because chaos starts snowballing like crazy. You can't auto resolve them as easily, because the auto resolve assumes they'll win. Or just play Skaven. Auto resolve always assumes you'll lose.>That being said, fantasy has much better potential, and with Warhams they actually started using mechanics to make factions play different.It's kinda a mixed bag. Managing the slave economy with caravans as chaos dwarves is cool. Getting buffs for gamey mechanics is kinda lame, which is their goto solution for everything.
>>1926560>autobattlingJust go play another game at that point. If you autoresolve every battle youre just playing a shitty 4X
>>1922183A solved strategy game is not a good strategy game, simple as.
This might be a retarded question but bear with me I'm autistic. I've never played Warhammer TW games but I am kinda interested in the setting. But for some reason there are three fucking W:TW games already. Should I play them in release order? Or just jump to the third game?
>>1928017Get either 2 or 3 and crack the dlc2:-better graphics (personal)-ranged is OP-better campaign (people don't really play these, up to you)3:-more factions, some of the older factions got reworked-bigger map-melee units are stronger (since ranged units aren't OP)
>>1928030Cheers
>>1921987You can't just say something factually true.
>>1926556lol newfagwh was fucked well before it ever came to pc
>>1928017You're suppose to own all 3 games so you get a megamap that has them all fused together called "Immortal Empires". There is no real reason to play 2 unless you really hate Chaos steamrolling everything lategame. Instead you'll get Dark Elves steamrolling everything lategame.
>>1933216>You're suppose to own all 3 games so you get a megamap that has them all fused together called "Immortal Empires"What is this jewry
>>1933320They released game 1. They released game 2 which had different factions and a different map.People wanted the factions from 1 and 2 to fight eachother, so they made it if you owned both games they basically fused into 1 super game.Then they did the same with the 3rd game.It unironically is the only time a modern AAA game has felt like it had the sheer content variety of a 90s game. It was based when they did it for the first 2 games, but they got extremely lazy with the 3rd game.
>>1933555Can't tell if this is a customer friendly practice or not so I'll just proceed to calling it gay
>>1921930Two of those units are kislev, and nobody likes the shadows of change for how dogshit their release was in choosing to give Kislev chaos-adjacent units. That being said, WH3 was also the one with 4 chaos gods so of course it was going to be much higher fantasy.
>this whole threadthis is about the only vidya board that keeps a fairly high quality of posts. This /v/-tier shitposting is beneath this place. Be better.
>>1921930>>1926405>>1926556Glowing furries aren\t good but that vampire lady looks absolutely fucked in the first picture and absolutely "LONG NECK IS LONG" in the others.
>>1933684faggot
>>1921930i wish it looked like plastic toys like warhammer tabletop did. what we have here is a bad, washed out attempt at realism.
>>1901417>UK>over 80% whiteKek, stones and glass houses and all that you stupid mutt
>>1901499What do you meanRunning your single entity in circles to break the enemy ai while you spam dumb abilities is peak tactics
>anglokikes and muttniggers arguing who is whiterlmao
>>1902952>larger maps>but WH3 has the shittiest little MOBA like channeled maps with terrible terrain in the entire seriesLmaoMods like ancient empires or DEI are best where scouting is an actual stage of the battle
>>1922021What you said is completely fictionalSource your claims faggot, xenophon says you're full of shit
>>1927491Why bother fighting battles that require no effort, its just a pointless waste of 20/30 minutesProbably fight a dozen battles in total in a campaign once you pass the first 20 turnsOr you do actually dumb shit intentionally to create interesting fights where you might actually lose, like force marching into enemy territory like a maniac
>>1933555>>1933624to me it's a bit gay, because I only own TWW1 which had beastmen in it, but they released a DLC for the race in TWW2 plus a balance updateboth are unavailable for TWW1, the DLC I can understand but the balance update not really
>>1934157I kinda prefer that 1 is in a time capsule. By the time the rework for Beastmen came out the devs stopped adding interesting mechanics and were deep into "Lets just make everything OP".
