Ten years of Fiji content used to be something we'd tell each other as a joke about dev priorities.https://files.catbox.moe/uq883w.pdf - Brazil-Argentina war design doc.https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal. Years of work flushed down the toilet for less gameplay and no wars.https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Almost two years in dev hell, still no release date.https://files.catbox.moe/9u0v7d.png - Mexico design chart. At this rate, we're only six years of waiting away from something happening.https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design. Half of Germany still has its content disabled by the way.https://files.catbox.moe/edk50c.png - Costa Rica design chart. No, none of this will ever be playable.
>War on Christmas as TNO WILL UPDATE ON THE 20TH to ruin everyone's holidays>Coal for our stockings: Three year Antarctica demos, Fiji skeleton, a map update that breaks all submods and no gameplay>Brazil misses yet another deadline, prompting Rapop to promise to finally quit modding>Heroic comvet leaks that Lamounier is deleting several beloved ideologies to merge them into "Palingenetic NatSoc" despite this making no sense>"The whole point of it was to make something that represents IRL neo-nazis and their tendencies better than something that just goes WOW aren't these guys just craaaazy??!?" - Lamounier>Japan confirmed to lose most of its Pacific gains as Caledonia, Tonga, Fiji, Samoa, Polynesia and Hawaii are now back under direct or indirect American control>Most of Central America's design leaked>The UK rework demo confirmed to be partly scrapped, to be re-reworked by Frost. Possible re-release late 2025>Frost calls most existing TNO paths "abstract slop" and "bad for worldbuilding" because they are "made up", has dropped 1 (one) small demo in his career which he will now delete>Greco-Turkish war removed, Bulgaria will get Thrace and it will somehow be transferred to Greece later>Anon declares victory as notoriously litigious arch-janny Kateryna doesn't post again after being caught posting in an earlier thread>Turkey dev allegedly collapses as lead is replaced, pending confirmation>TFO to add more island skeletonsMOD SHOUT-OUTSMods to play while you wait for a Redux.Red Dusk - Proves that you can have a grounded cold war mod with actual gameplay.The Fire Rises - It's just fun. Who's your favorite unifier?Pride and Fall: The Last Days of Poland - Locally appreciated mod recommended by several anons, give it a try. Map: https://files.catbox.moe/ltq7qi.pngCommunity meme this time because I liked it and was busy, hope you don't mind.
>>1907564Italy stuff
Any updates on Iron Grip? (if this thread even remembers the name lmao)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAy4g22nDhw>no christmas edition
You'd be suprised how many nuTNO fans don't even play the game and are just there for the lore.
Say what you want about Antarctica or 3 year demos but finally reaching the south pole, planting the argentinian flag there and successfully returning with no deaths as national heroes was pure, absolute kino.
I feel like a big problem of mods like TFO/Kalterkrieg is that the setting and the options given are too boring for the player to even consider. What does TFO have that TNO hasn't? The three way cold war is still ongoing, democracy is still strong in the USA while the Nazis are still oppressing Eastern Europe. The 2WRW? The Great Asian war promised in TFO? One can do that already by downloading a few submods. To me, a TNO "sequel" mod needs to start with the Cold War already being won by one of the Axis powers, and to me the most interesting victor is Japan.
>>19081592 way cold war is worse imo. 4 way cold war with a weak OFN and a rising Red Italy-led Comintern is the way.
>>1908171My idea was for Japan to have won the GAW, while Germany lost the 2WRW. Red Italy would be the only remaining superpower, being a parallel to OTL China. The USA would have collapsed so you still get that classic hoi4 gameplay.
>>1907968Too bad we won't see fascist Italy ever
>>1908172Losing the 2wrw does make Germany stop being a superpower though. Same with Japan and the GAW.
>>1908182Yeah, that's why the cold war is now only between Japan and Italy.
>>1908184Would be cool for an isolationist USA but the OFN survived them leaving through Australian nukes being spread to alliance members. Have free britain and reformed iberia be the big figures in the OFN as it becomes much less usa and friends but an alliance of equal democracies trying to hold it together
>>1908154This anon speaks the truth. Very comfy experience.
>>1908159You can show anyone a map of the starting date and it's indistinguishable from any old 1972 screenshot. It's like time stood still. Even Kalterkrieg tried to shake up the world a little.>>1908182Playing as either and trying to re-establish yourself as a world power after losing your non-core possessions could be fun. Or like the other anon said, let someone else become more prominent on the world stage like Italy. So many opportunities to try and make something interesting, all of them avoided on purpose.>>1908154>>1908208The most interesting piece of completed content the devs released all year will be a mid-tier South American country's adventures in South America while the devs aggressively delete all old contentIf I knew this is where we'd end up I wouldn't have bothered downloading the mod in the first place.
Lurking in this discords for these big mods makes you really hate their communities. Its not a big deal with Kaiserreich because the devs for Kaiserreich are not even one tenth as pretentious as the average TNO rework tsar.TNO has developed 2 distinct communities and they do not mix. There are the people who just play the mod. And then there are the people who play the mod and post in the discord. I remember seeing one guy get a lore point wrong and get jumped in the TNO discord server and it really left a mark on me. I dont know if its more of a symptom or a cause of the current state of the mod. I just feel that once the dev team stops discussing gameplay primarily and instead engages in huge paragraphs talking about the nature of Fiji politics and then getting mad at you when you incorrectly state a lore point."You do know that was changed when version 2 of the Vietnam skeleton content was teased in the ask a dev channel 5 months ago right?"
>the chinese are now making a Romania submod>it will probably release before any of the reworks
>>1908245Newfags and casuals should be bullied, what's the problem here?
>>1908245They're insufferable. Or when they dismiss some idea by just saying "that's old lore" as if that was the word of god and get mad because you dared to even talk about a hypothetical related to what the mod was pre-hijack.
>>1908253>casualsreferring to someone who isnt intimately aware of exactly how many seats are in the OFN sponsored fiji parliament
>>1908208The Antartica GUI is so boring and compicated tho why couldn't they have given it a normal focus tree
>>1908264it's not that bad, I think it's unique and fits the setting as the claims don't function as regular countries
>>1908264>Why can't Antarctica get normal focus trees>Why can't Mexico just use the normal econ mechanics>Why can't TNO put out a single update in all of 2024
Can we play as German Antarctica yet?
>>1908001Someone claiming to represent them posted in a HoI4 modding thread a while back.Thought the Congolian-SS larp brigade was fine from a content perspective if a bit of a shitpost but they've disavowed that. Didn't like that they're essentially taking from the OTL leaders of the FDR/DDR for Fuhrer candidates but its different doebite.
>>1908300It has had playable content since release
>>1908305Release of what Did I accidentally time travel?
>>1908307Anon, ODF has been up in the workshop for years.
>>1908308Excuse me for thinking mainstream TNO updated. A flight of fantasy.
>>1908308Every time I read this it's just so sad. They've literally spent years on rereleasing something that has been on the Workshop for ages. Most pathetic team, they should feel ashamed of themselves.
>>1908320to be fair, the older content is very dated
>>1908324Dated how? It was perfectly functional when I played it and I have no interest revisiting it for a few short term GUI spectacles. All of this reeks of the devs being garbage at everything and having awful priorities as usual.
>>1908326It's Not Up To Current Standards and Implausible(TM)
>>1908326Compared to Argentina, the mechanics aren't that engaging.
>>1908328>>1908330Oh I forgot it doesn't have a Mexico-tier mini game that's so bloated that it makes the Denmark GUI meme look minimalist. Well I'm sure that Argentina will have so many pop up menus and bloat that it'll make me forget all about the fact that TNO hasn't had a proper update all year.
>>1908342Tell me you haven't played argentinian antarctica without telling me you haven't played argentinian antarctica.
>>1908344Of course I haven't, I don't give a shit about it and never will. Focusing extremely hard on shit almost no one cares about is just another form of radical Mexicoist brainrot that has ruined the team.
>>1908359At least 2 anons ITT liked it, don't say no one cares about it.
>>1908159 (me)Speaking of Japan winning the Cold war, if you don’t have Persistence Ibuka be the canon ending to Guandong then you're a talentless hack who should never be allowed to write again.
>>1908362OK two people care about it. I'll just play a different mod because clearly TNO has long since abandoned any notion of creating anything that isn't a GUI mini game.
>>1908364Best CEO
>>1908264What's up with Antarctica focus trees?>>1908159Honestly, I am not sure why TFO needs to existThey could just slowly add it's content for regular TNO, making 70 content appear organically instead as one giant update that's very clearly not happeningBeing TNO's continuation also holds it back. They could have a fresh scenerio, not beholden to TNO lore. Sure, inspired by it and with common elements but the ability to change things they don't like>>1908364Absolutely chad path. Yiu just plow the the opposition, driven by your V I S I O NGuangdong riots were kinda dumb both from gameplay and story perspective but the path is some of the best hoi4 content period
>>1908386>What's up with Antarctica focus trees?They don't have any. Focus tree tab is replaced by this GUI
>>1908386>They could have a fresh scenerio, not beholden to TNO lore.Big Weld trying to create anything unique and interesting challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)>>1908391Holy mother of Denmark GUIs. I'm with the original anon, why not just have a regular focus tree and normal mechanics? Sucks that the devs feel like they have to reinvent the wheel over and over, no wonder it's taken them four years to put together a demo collection.
>>1908396>remove engaging and unique content in favor of generic focus clicker #420this is way worse than modern tno holy shit
>>1908398It's literally a bloated deccat with a graphic that could be represented using states on the map but you don't get a focus tree to go along with it. Worse than Mexico in that regard.
>>1908430holy mother of soulless
>>1908433Holy mother of dead mod that hasn't had a full route added since 2022
>>1908439cope and seethego play twr if you want generic deccats and focus clicker gameplay
>>1908442No one cares about your GUI mini games in pissant shitholes, devnigger.
>>1908446>he thinks i'm an odf devlmao
>>1908396>>1908430Anon you're literally advocating for vanilla deccats, sorry to say this, but that's retarded. Cool GUI's are the only thing TNO has going for it, you strip that away and you end up with CWIC or worse. Besides regular focus trees wouldn't work in these tags because there's no way to make them rewarding to complete, with the gameplay being as limited as it is (no economy, no army, no "politics", etc).
>>1908451>Look the only way to make anything here meaningful was to add the Denmark GUI and hammer away at it for several yearsGeez maybe you should've spent five years working on something that actually works with the game then instead of building a broken game within a game to represent an Arctic colony?>Ur advocating for vanilla deccatsNo, I'm saying that you could replace a lot of this with vanilla deccats and not lose much other than the bling. That's a huge problem. Guangdong these are not, no matter how much they wish they were. Which begs the question why they have to reinvent the wheel only to end back at square 1 in a more convoluted way over and over again.
>>1908466They didn't spend 5 years on that mechanic, it has been there since the first release. You'd know that if you played the submod.
>>1908467I'm making fun of their overall glacial release pace in general, don't take it so literally. But desu I think that was more of a TNO thing since they were better about it before being integrated. OEP's team produced content faster before that as well.
Another Weld banger
>>1908494>Designed to take several years>I restore the AA line within a week couple of months because the HOI4 AI is garbageYour move, nerd.
>>1908495>-100% division atk>-100% division speed>click decision in this GUI to reduce the debuff by 10% every 100 dayscheck
>>1908304
>>1908494I see your Weld banger and raise you this Lam banger
>>1908304It was tasteless, but it's a tasteless that people seemed to enjoy and I got a lot of good feedback from. Disavow may be a strong word but even if the content is stupid I stand by it, the content was playable, it had a beginning, a middle, and end, and a few twists. Maybe some other people could have been used, or some OCs but at the end of the day people had fun. But for the DDR and FDR guys being used, we needed guys that had workable sources for portraits. If this took place in say, 2000 the it would be easy to make up all new characters. It is impossible to say who would have followed in Hitler's footsteps provided he won, but goering, Hess, etc would have been getting up in the years, it makes sense to me at least that eventually you would want to pass the torch. But I get it, hence why we lurk threads like this. Get a good hand on what people like, and what people don't like.
>>1908506>All the old content was made in a month and many like it>Lam has been reworking it for over four years according to this post>Lam has nothing to show for it yet>Lam is only trying to get two routes out at best>Lam bitches about scope but thinks reworking every tag multiple time to accommodate his changes is fine>Lam claims that highly anticipated features on release that he disliked personally were never popular everHow does he even live with himself?
>>1908507What would you say is the most complete region in the mod so far?
>>1908545Europe since Germany, Italy, the various Russias have degrees of content, not all of it finished of course. Followed by Africa but again, that is because of the Congo SS and others so there is that. South Asia, East Asia and the Americas all being equally unfinished with only a couple of years of content, mostly un localized.
>>1908561Are you guys planning on posting any Europe teasers soon?
>>1908581I would rather have the thread be on topic, but sure. I'll compile whatever looks nice at the moment, drop some links so whoever is interested can look and whoever doesn't want to look at it, can safely hide and ignore. Germany is in the best shape so I can show a bit of that and it's periphery.
In 2021 people were unhappy with the mod being unrealistic and a "leftist circlejerk" to the point where 2 reduxes and one overhaul mod sprung up out of spite. 3 years later, when the team decides to make the lore more comprehensive and faithful to the stuff it portrays, people are unhappy again, this time because they apparently liked the "magic of tno" and how unrealistic it was. TNO cannibalizes itself no matter what direction it goes, devving it is a terrible return on investment.
pinkpanzer is a woman now. i hope she is doing well.
>>1908617Leftist circlejerk>liberal circlejerk
>>1908617>>1908658Panzer era TNO was a liberal circlejerk. Most socialist countries were either parodies or charicatures.
>>1908617>>1908669>The fucking schizo reduxes wanted to make the mod more realistic >People's main criticisms of Panzer was that it wasn't grounded enough >Not the forced collapses, plans for a canonical TNO2 under Zhukov, etc etc >Pacifica the schizophrenic communist that had a crush on Suslov wanted to parody communism and promote neoliberalism like Mango era doesPossibly the most disingenuous set of posts ever made in these threads.
>>1908670>Gus can be elected fair and square because America's system broke>he can actually succeed Vs>Gus is installed as a lame duck by the KKKongress>can't do shit>mango wanks over how many obscure US government protocols he knows>it's okay he can't do shit because the march to even more intense than OTL liberalism continues
>>1908670Anon, all soviet unifiers are depicted as either totalitarian villains (Kaganovich, Yagoda, Zhdanov and Chelomey, Bukharinist Sablin) or bleeding heart goody two shoes (Bukharina, Lib Sablin, Khruschev to a lesser extent, Kardashev). In fact I'd argue you can extrapolate to the rest of mod, not just the communists. This good-evil dichotomy is inherently unmaterialistic, hence liberal in nature.
>>1908671Yes, pre-hijack TNO allowed both fascists and communists to be elected fair and square as a response to the player's actions and everyone except Mango and a few other Democrat activists from the TCT community were ok with that. Vote Swine has been wildly polarizing since day 1 to the point where Mango even has a special section in it about slow boiling the community. Another nu-TNO L.>>1908672Yeah people hated the Sablin wanna then back too but you also had Red Alert Zhdanov and even the shittier people had some heart to them. Tukh being Red Omsk without the nukes under war communism, Yagoda being a funny Dengist, and so on. Compare that to Corn's reworks where everything is just stale and miserable. Yet another nu-TNO L. Also again: the person that wrote half of these was a communist that had a crush on a Brezhnev-era politician, you're mad if you think you can convince anyone that this was liberal propaganda, at least on purpose.
>>1908658This.>>1908671Also this. America breaking in a fucking Axis victory mod is completely plausible and a really engaging story.
Pacifica, won't you come back? We'll take anything you make over Corn's shit
>>1908682Didn't she head over to work at PDX? IIRC she's a Vicky 3 content designer now.
>>1908683>Vicky 3 has a dog fucker as a content designer Suddenly it all makes sense
>>1908683>she>sheStop validating it.
>>1908688Pacifica is mommy
>>1908703i've never seen pacifica's but im sure xhe's not pretty
>>1908704As long as she has cute feet thats enough
>>1908705hell yeah
>>1908672There's also Bessonov, who is neither, his path is the most grounded and also the most boring.You also forgot Vasilevsky and Zhukov, who are on the okay side.
>>1908684>dog fuckerYou can't just say that and not explain
>>1908822Okay It's probably never actually fucked a dog IRL but at some point they watched Dogmeat (Yes like from fallout) Porn
>>1908825That's Panzer, not Pacifica
>>1908688Checked, what do you expect from a TNO thread?
>>1908829Are you sure? I'm 90% sure it was Pacifica, what was it's weird fetish if the not animals? I know it had one
>>1908688Pacifica's cute and cute girls make my dick hard
>>1908836Yes, it was Panzer who had dogmeat porn, seen on a stream.Pacifica's weird fetish was Brezhnev-era Soviet politicians
>>1908836nayrt but no the Dogmeat one was Panzer, Pacifica's weirdest fetish thing was being really into Suslov and to a lesser extent (allegedly) being responsible for Gorbachev being added because he was "hot when young".
>>1908838Just fucking troon yourself already and save me this OH LE CUTE GIRLS MAKE MY DICK HARD."Become" the cute girl you can't get like the rest of these AGP psychopaths.
>>1908842Why would I troon out when I could plow troons with my fully functional dick?
>>1908847Because troons are mostly mentally ill faggots that only want to fuck with other troons
When's the next TFO teaser?
>>1908847My brother.
>>1908847dude why are troons so fucking HOT, i've befriended a couple of them but they never pick me
>>1908970Most obvious troon in existence. 90% of you don't even pass lmao. Stop coping.
Lam just said that V&J will absolutely be released before PW.
>>1909110PW is doomed
>>1909110>It'll release before our cancelled project Thanks Lam you useless faggot good to know your shitty boondoggle will be out before the heat death of the universe.
>>1907954Reminder to nudev TCT clique that you will never make anything remotely as fun or memorable as what we did back in 2018-2020 TNOt. oldfag former dev
>>1909114PW ain't cancelled what are you on about
>>1909116What did you work on back then?
>>1909123Russia mostly. Still got all the old docs from back in the day, sometimes go through them for nostalgia trip even if I only check this thread or on TNO in general a few times a year
>>1909116>>1908446Picrel. They know and they suffer from their bitter jealousy. When did you escape? I joined after 2020 and left this year. Wish I'd left sooner. Everyone that isn't a total sack of shit is gone by now, only the retard clique is left.>Russia devOnly successful part of the mod that hasn't been ruined yet. Despite Corn's and Ugli's efforts.>>1909117It's fucking dead and is never coming out. Might as well be cancelled. Another heap of broken promises by the nu-devs.
>>1909125Can you share them with us?
>>1909094They constantly insist that they're cute girls. Sexy anime girls. It's sad, really.
>>1909127Active and friends with devs from early 2018, joined team early 2019, left team around when vote pig got revealed (just way too busy with other shit after lockdown ended to actually mod)
>>1909133Best time to leave. Vote Pig was when the cancer became terminal. Good on you.
>>1909134Yeah idrc about all the realism shit conceptually but the execution is awful, I have my problems with TNO lore as someone who had to work around a lot of bullshit panzerlore especially, but at least we released a workable product that people enjoyed unlike now where people would rather write a thesis on a stupid nazi mod rather than just code the fucking path
>>1909135At first I appreciated moving away from Panzer lore because things like removing the SS coup made things easier. But then they fucking ruined everything and somehow made it worse and more restrictive since not only did you end up with a very narrow scope of allowed contents but they kept changing that every time a lead was ousted. Unbearable. Be happy you never had to deal with that shit.
>>1909140>Be happy you never had to deal with that shit.I did (though obviously to a lesser extent than what happens now) and am guilty of some of it myself back in the day, but again at least we released something in spite of all the inane drama
>>1909117>just because no one is working on it and every path has restarted from scratch multiple times and nothing substantial has been released in years doesn't mean PW is cancelled
>>1909154yeah? it's not cancelled until it's cancelled.
>>1909158HOLY FUCKING COPIUM OVERDOSE LMAO
>>1909159I don't think you know the meaning of the word cancelled
>>1909160Yeah you're right it'd be less embarrassing for you if you stopped pretending that it's still happening LMAO
>>1909161I'm not pretending anything, the fact that it's not being worked on now doesn't mean it won't be worked on later, as long as the plans are still there the update is not cancelledit'd be more accurate to say it's in hiatussorry for being so autistic with the usage of words, but it irks me when people use inaccurate words for sensationalistic purposes
>>1909165"It's not dead or canceled! It's on an eternal hiatus! Reee! Totally different! Appreciate my art, plebian!"
How big can Red Italy's faction become? Can they get the entire Mediterranean or did they not even show that?
>>1909169Rtaly is unlikely to release in 2025. I can tell you they can get Greece if they go communist, parts of the balkans, and break bread with other communists globally. Their sphere will certainly be much smaller though. I don't think much was revealed of it? Kinda lost hope since they axed 1/3 of the paths inc the one I wanted the most.
>>1909169Uh iirc it's called Mediterranean Section of the Comintern so I guess maybe Balkans+Greece+North Africa+Maybe red Iberia.
>>1909175Is the French Civil War still available in the current plans for PW? That way Red Italy could support the French commies.
>>1909178No.
>>1909179Lame.
>>1909158You know those 2000s spoof movies? The guys that made them, Seltzer and Friedberg announced a Taken parody in 2014, and in 2017 they were reportedly developing a parody of Star Wars, guess what, it's been years and no news ever came out. They've been cancelled, but they never announced that the movies were cancelled.
Enough doomposting, let's start hopeposting.T'is a season to be jolly not gloomy!
>>1909201Hitler, for this Christmas could you please smithe Mango? thank you
>>1909201Hopeposting!>Rapop finally quits HOI4 modding as promised after the final humiliation of fucking up the Brazil release all year>Mango is arrested by Trumpist riot police while trying to deface public property, Vote Pig cancelled>Lamounier sees reason and kills himself, ending the ruthless regime of the rotten Rework Reichleiter to the team's relief>Corn is finally drafted as memes turn into reality leading to him being shelled in a ditch>Frost and Kateryna forced off the team after a radical anti-janny regime revolt by comvets>We get a TNO Redux that isn't fucking shitAll of these are more likely to happen than TNO having a proper update this year.
>>1909229And now, for the most unrealistic wish of them all:>A Red Italy demo is released
>>1909236Monkey's paw:Red Italy content is teased, they say it's being reworked, you only have a big GUI mini game, all roads lead to you being invaded and auto-failing to preserve Germany's plot armor, zero alliances because that'd be unrealistic.
>>1909229Rapop actually just left both the community and development server. Its rapopover.
>>1909294Don't joke about stuff like that. I don't need more false hope from this mod in my life.
>The Fading Order team is excited to return to our regularly scheduled Leakmas and bring you the state of the Caribbean in the 1980s, a region for which the events of the 1960s and 70s were not kind, forcing its newly independent island nations to adapt to the daunting reality of the Cold War and showing just how flexible independence can be as they endure living through so-called "interesting times.">As the Germans, the Argentines, and their allies stand firm in South America, the erosion of the Monroe Doctrine has already taken its first steps as they now turn their gaze northward. It is up to the Organization of Free Nations to protect their already weakened allies, for should they fail to defend their very doorstep, the Old World may overwhelm the New, and the tides of history will soon sweep them away...
>>1909398
OH MY GOD FUCK OFF ALREADY WITH THESE PISSANT ISLANDS ALREADY YOU RETARDED CUNTS NO ONE CARES
>>1909405Learn to care, then :)
>>1909405
>>1909398Honestly the Caribbean being split between the OFN, the Veracruz Pact and the Pakt (and I guess the commies in some cases) is much more dynamic than I expected of the region.
This is just aggressively boring. It's like TNO and TFO are coordinating a trolling campaign by hyper focusing on pointless island nations. Except somehow, watching a tiny island do nothing is their idea of fun, like watching paint dry.
>>1909422this guy hasn't read the events
>>1909425Fuck off Big Weld.
>>1909427>tno fan>illiteratelike pottery
>>1909425>Oh you don't think my event about a scuffle in a tiny island in my Kalterkrieg spiritual sequel is interesting? Guess you didn't read the event since everyone on my Devcord likes it LMAO!!Why are devniggers like this?
>>1909432unironically thisif you don't like it fuck off to play another modthis is the future, like it or cope and seethe
Stop astroturfing your mod Big Weld.>Play another mod>This is the future >Hasn't released, hopefully never will, can't rear it's ugly face without being lambasted by everyone lmao
>>1909399Surely, the Monroe doctrine failing miserably will have repercussions on the political scene of the USA. Maybe even leading to someone like Yockey or Hall finally gaining power?
>>1909435>you have valid criticism?>criticism that even you yourself, big weld, have stated before and have tried to explain>well fuck off to another mod?are you serious? you're a bunch of faggots
>>1909441your criticism is>i don't care about the region or readingit's pathetic
>>1909442im not that anon but saying "if you dont like it fuck off" is wrong even with bad criticism, because it means you didnt even try to consider the criticism valid, you didnt even try to analyse it. there's some truth in it imo, for a mod that for now has... literally nothing we'd like to see some major content, seeing little idy shitties everywhere is quite underwhelimg. seeing how TNO goes we realise that it takes A LOT of time to develop shit and if you're tryng to develop butthole nations with the limited resources you have we wont be thrilled
>>1909442Nu-devs constantly trying to force the meme that the average HOI4 player is somehow going to be deeply invested about incremental RNG-driven changes in small statelets with a hundred people living on it is a pretty valid criticism for both TNO and its shitty, Mango/Corn-approved sequel.
>>1909445the biggest factor is that, every time there's a leak they ask us to be excited, but every time we ask for content nothing gets released. no matter the actual quality i dont care about Hawai or shit, if you're pulling resources from actual interesting tags im not going to be excited
>>1909445>>1909447I don't think the mod is for you, thenyou're not entitled to it
>>1909450>you want content for a mod? GTFO NOOOOWWWWwhat causes this?
>>1909452here's your content>>1909398>>1909399
>>1909453read >>1909447again, but slooowly this time. i dont mind shitties getting content, i know for a fact however that this will pull resources from actual big tags. TFO already has the same disease as TNO of wanting to do everything and leaking tons of shit but never focusing on something and tryng to make it great. a good big country is worth 10000 small shitty islands in terms of enjoyment. imagine a Guandong and 1000 Italys
>>1909455american content would be very boring without skeletons, forpol is one of the main focus of tfo
>>1909457skeletons dont matter if America gets events to describe the situation anyway
>>1909450Who even is your audience? You're obviously not catering to HOI4 players. The problem is that you're hyper-fixating on a niche that just about no one cares about. These things might be interesting to see on the news, but it's not what most people come to the game for. If that was the case, you'd have more mods than this well before TNO was hijacked and started to go all-in on this direction. This obviously isn't the case and this is why, every time you post your teasers about political strife in a tiny African state or a minuscule island, most people just tell you that they don't care.>>1909453The content is shit, no one cares. By and large, most people don't understand why you're focusing so hard on this when this is so far away from what most players want that it's surreal that you're even attempting to force this meme. Why do you think Paradox put out expansions about Wunderwaffen and WW2 LARPs and not a Jamaica expansion about how the war is affecting the economy leading to strife (which you can't update)?>>1909457OK, hear me out.What if your skeletons were about fun things and not boring things?
>>1909459they do because then players will complain why the events don't align with the situation on the map>>1909460>Who even is your audience?tno players who like cold war geopolitics>The content is shit, no one cares. devs care, that's enoughit's a passion project, you don't have to like it and you're definitely not entitled to it>What if your skeletons were about fun things and not boring things?the caribbean is literally collapsing in that teaser, there's nothing boring about that
>>1909462>it's a passion project, you don't have to like it and you're definitely not entitled to itwhy release it then? listen if you dont want criticism, close 4chan and go to bed. we dont care if you think we're "entitled" we want a mod that's playable and fun, if the mod isnt that then it should change>but it's not your modi will still call for it to become a better mod, it's like looking at a painting and going like "yeaaaah this is ugly as shit but it's the painters choice so oh well", if the painter really didnt want your opinion he wouldnt have let you see his works now wouldnt he?
>>1909463>why release it then?there's players who like it for what it is, for them it's "playable and fun" as you put it
>>1909462>tno players who like cold war geopoliticsBut you mostly focus on things that'd be the OTL equivalent of random bush war #329872532 or a former French sugar plantation island off the coast of nowhere aligning itself with the USSR instead of America. Most people come to these kinds of games for more substantial conflicts. Even within this niche of TNO players who don't want any wars or action, you can't even deliver something for them to bite their teeth into.>devs care, that's enough>it's a passion project, you don't have to like it and you're definitely not entitled to itI'm glad you've resigned yourself to the fact that you'll be the next Kalterkrieg.>the caribbean is literally collapsing in that teaser, there's nothing boring about thatNo one cares about random political re-alignments in tiny island nations. I don't know how many times you need to be told this.
>>1909465we're also players and we have our opinions on it, we're players just like those who already enjoy it. listen i dont want to pretent that Big weld nigger over there will change anything because there are people screaming over at 4chan, but thinking that we're "entitled" for having the wrong opinion is reddit tier
>>1909465can you stop dickriding my mod lol, you're doing a terrible job
>>1909472You know it's grim when even Big Weld thinks that you're doing a terrible job at being a shill.
>>1909472i know
>>1909399so i read most of these and they are... okay? they're obviously not as radical as og TNO but at least something seems to be happening
Enough about TFO, let's have a real talk. We're finally getting the Indian Civil War after all these years with a lot of outcomes and nobody cares? Really?
>>1909479We're not getting the ICW, just a possible (peaceful) unification between India and Azad Hind. War may be added later. Also consider that the actual ICW had shit like BurgSys Devi and all kinds of insane shit that obviously isn't happening here and you might be able to see why the hype is a bit lower than before.Also it's been several years and none of it will be playable LMAO
>>1909485The war is quite literally being added. Peaceful unification too. See pic.>Also consider that the actual ICW had shit like BurgSys DeviThis got scrapped pretty much immediately after realease, just like cannibal Mountbatten. Just let it go brah...
>>1909487Still don't care, don't trust this dumb cunt to make anything interesting. I'll believe it when I see it. We also know that these people are compulsive liars. Two weeks of Brazil loc? GCW removal won't cause any issues for existing content? I have every right and reason to expect the worst from these people.
Megacorps submod just released a teaser for Guangdong>As seen in the image above, Guangdong will have seven MEGACORPS at the start of the game. This may come as a surprise to players as, in TNO, Guangdong has four cannon gameplay paths, the original "Four Corporations of Guangdong". These new corporations we are introducing will not replace the original gameplay or the four paths within vanilla TNO. Rather, they will build on top of what already exists. However, we may include some small surprise twists at the very end of TNO's storyline for Guangdong, given the inclusion of these new protagonists.>Through the MEGACORPS system of mechanics, each of these corporations will grow their balance sheets over the course of the Guangdong playthrough and try to accumulate power. This will allow the player to experience, in real-time, previously unanswered questions, such as: when Ibuka/Morita becomes Chief Executive, what happens to the company of their rival ... is it able to remain profitable? Is it crushed financially under the rival Chief Executive? Do the other corporations within Guangdong attempt to expand internationally as the player does when playing as Chief Executive? And much more!>The new MEGACORPS introduced here, although smaller than the Big Four, will have mechanics to interact with the Chief Executive, and either become an ally of the player, or part of the opposition, throwing their lot behind one of the Chief Executive's rivals, depending on the decisions of the player. For Guangdong, the sub-mod will introduce new narrative events from differing perspectives. This will include narratives of the CEOs of the new corporations introduced here, as well as events from the perspective of new characters who are employed at Fujitsu, and Sony, and are in the room when major decisions are made by Ibuka and Morita, respectively.
>>1909487The BEEF was kino though...
Mango de-confirms Hawaii will be returned to the US and Japanese gains will be crushed? Mango redemption arc? I don't believe it lmao but interesting hes doing damage control here
>>1909512>that totally retarded thing we were about to do? yeah errmh maybe not mkay?
>>1909512I think Mango should be hanged.
>>1909512He's saying he never said whether that is the case or not. Basically a half truth to avoid lying about it. Typical Mango.
>>1909512You'd get the same answer if you asked about him deleting the NPP or anything else controversial that hasn't been revealed to the public yet but has been clearly outlined in various leaks.>Mango Redemption arcHis best shot would doing what Heydrich does if you catch my drift.
>>1909493Looks pretty promising, hoping this submod goes well and actually releases
>>1909493What's this mod about?
>>1909585adding further economics and interactions with massive companies for playable nations in effect deepening the gameplay with these megacorps also being able to go bust apparently. Also, they tie it into the story too apparently so...it's like an addition to TNO that will really improve it. If it comes out.
>>1909585Bloat bloat and more bloat. We don't need more cookie clicker GUIs or a bazillion events. Hoi4 is a war game, we want wars.
More TFO>In the latest instalment of leakmas, we see how Ireland fares as it enters the eighties, finding itself caught between the deeds of its fathers, and the promises of the future. Whether Fianna Fáil will remain the sole controller of the Irish people's destiny remains uncertain as the old giant faces its latest and greatest challenges in a new decade and a new world.
>>1909178>>1909180France can still go communist under Charles Tillon. I don't know the specifics, though.
>>1909739Please for the love of God, stop posting island nations that won't do fucking anything in-game.
>>1909739>social nationalism for Sinn Feinwhyyyy make them left wing nationalists, they are one of the very few actual existing left wing nationalists in Europe let me have them :(
>>1909749What part of nothing ever happens didn't you get?
>>1909749Sinn Fain isn't socnat, socnat is used for the coalition gov between them and the Fianna Fail (senior partner in that coalition).
>>1909753ahhh i see, still sad you cant make them major governing party but oh well. also it's "Sinn Fein", it's irish for "us ourselves"
>>1909754Sorry for the typo. Anyway, bold of you to assume this is the end of the skeleton content.
>>1909755i literally do not know i can only judge by what i see, stop defending the mod for every single bit you mongoloid
>>1909739Sometimes I wonder what Big Weld gets from trying to seek validation from the 4chan community. Its like going to a fuck weebs convention and promoting anime. Or going to a Republican convention to promote Harris. Does he really think that people here will ever respond positively to his island nation nonsense? I really wonder what's the end game here.
>>1909755>Shows literally nothing anyone here is interested in>"Don't worry fellow chuds, this isn't even my final form.">Gets mad every time people tell him that they still don't care or trust him to deliver because everything so far has been mid and bland at bestEvery fucking time.>>1909763It boggles the mind. Picrel was from the last post when he got incredibly asshurt and defensive about us shitting on his boring-ass Mexico sequel. Why bother advertising to people who like HOI4 if your audience is people without any interest in HOI4 gameplay?
>Corn has 23 days left to release the russia dev diary as promised>Rapop has 23 days left to release Brazil as promised, or resignPlace your bets gentlemen
>>1909918They both won't do shit and nothing would change.
>>1909918https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1f96g2y/tno_discord_communiqu%C3%A9_ver_2024>Corn is doing a second Russia dev diary.He's been working on it for over three months. Bear in mind that the communique was simply reminding people that it was still supposed to happen after being in the works longer than that. Shitposting in Doki takes time after all, please be patient.Neither will resign or even acknowledge failing. Nothing will change and no one will hold them to account because everyone's too busy circlejerking on the Devcord and anyone bringing it up will just be told that no promises were ever made just like with Brazil's old release date being denied every time it's changed.
>>1909294Confirmed hoax?
>>1908506>Uhm, TNO team always wanted to rewoooooooork GCW>This is why half the content and lore is built on the assumption it happens>We were always at war with Eurasoa
some part of me still wants to make a US submod of my own with extremely detailed election and congress mechanics
>>1909940You can verify for yourself that Rapop left the TNO main/community server. It's right there for anybody to see. For the dev server I can only hit you with the "trust me bro", but I'm sure other insider devniggers here can confirm it in due time. I mean it's obvious Brazil won't be out by 2024 as the team is still working on ODF with all the Antarctica teasers. Rapop has already realised and given up.
>The Red Order is happy to showcase the starting situation of the Syrian Arab Republic, as well as the state of the country after the Nasserist coup. As the Middle East becomes increasingly chaotic following the Suez Crisis, can Syria stand its ground or will it fall into the dustbin of History?
>>1910089Unrelated but when is TRO Spain releasing??? It's been 2 fucking years since they promised it
>>1910088I got banned disagreeing with one of the shittier devs while he was power tripping so I can't see reeeeee
>>1910139what did you say
>>1910139Just make an alt account. Every discord user has one these days. Nothing to be ashamed of. Just make sure to add a separate phone number since bans can carry across the same phone number.
>>1910206Said that their latest updates were trash and probably just caught the tranny-janny on a bad day (any day). Nothing special.>>1910210>Register and verify a sock account with an alternate phone address and join the shittiest server on the planet for the off-chance of finding out that Rapop may have temporarily left the server before he returns after a "break" to pretend that his Brazil promises never happenedI don't care enough to I'll just ask someone on Discord.
>>1910219being rude is against the rules there
Madrazo >Salinas > OrdazAnd this is an indisputable fact. Anyone who disagrees will get charged with the crime of social dissolution.
>>1910244Second Mexican Revolution>>>all of them
>>1910244I will only play Mexico when it gets full content.So unfortunately I will never understand this post.
>>1910226>Being honest and objective offends the devnigger>>1910244>My favorite third world Wikiscrape is this one
>>1910244Can Madrazo get all regions green in the Miracle mechanic? No. Salinas? He can. This automatically makes him the best Tapado. Seethe, Madrazoid.
>>1910244Which one of them is more evil? If I have to play Mexico might as well have fun with it.
>>1910257Ordaz. He's unapologetically evil.>FBI asset, sells the economy to the US>Incompetent, almost causes WW3>First reaction to any crisis is to send in the tanks.>Ugly as fuck.
>>1910261Thanks, I'll also make sure to not even touch the economy.
>>1910261>FBI assetdoes he actually have events meeting with the FBI/CIA cause thats so fucking funny
>>1910268Yes. There's a whole event chain about the FBI in Mexico.
>Why yes we copied the whole section from Wikipedia about him being a US asset, read all about it in our Axis victory mod (Axis victory content pending reworks)
>>1910268Yeah he's called LITEMPO 2 which was his code name irl
Oh my God is there fucking ANYTHING you niggers didn't copy-paste from Wikipedia?
>>1910312this is your 3rd post today bitching about le wikipediayou're obsessed
Because you talentless niggers lift so much irrelevant shit about third world countries from Wikipedia word for word that it's beyond parody.
>>1910319NUH UH IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WHICH MEANS IT'S ENTIRELY ORIGINAL-an actual argument that the devs for the African wikiscrape submod project named "DV" used
>>1910319>>1910323When we complain about wikipedia copypasting we mean when there are paths that are about the same as OTL, not details shared by a TNO character and their OTL counterpart. The former is lazy and unoriginal, while the latter can be fun if done correctly, as it can make for interesting comparisons. You should complain about Ordaz having in his path the same troubles he had irl, not him being a CIA asset. If we do, then what's next? Complain that Hitler is a nazi because wikipedia said so? Don't you see the slippery slope?
>>1910324THE WHOLE THING IS COPY PASTED YOU CUNTENTIRE EVENTS LIFTED 1:1 DESPITE THINGS LIKE THE COLLAPSE OF THE USSR MAKING SEVERAL OF THEM IRRELEVANT YOU STUPID CUNT
>>1910325My point is that it's not constructive to jump at every single correlation between TNO and OTL shouting WIKIPEDIA COPYPASTE, like you're doing right now. It looks unhinged and honestly quite ridiculous. The critiques should be constructive and aimed at the real problem: the lack of originality in Mexico's path design. Minor historical details like Ordaz being a CIA asset or Mateos suffering from headaches aren't that big of a problem, they add depth to their characters while remaining true to them. The real problem is that there's not really a lot of alternative history in the main paths for Mexico and one of them is mostly what happened OTL.
>>1910327No, you don't get it. There are bits of loc that were pretty much lifted from Wikipedia, minus citations.
Mexico is boring because they could have done everything with it since the POD is in 1922. Instead you get OTL but the Soviets are replaced by the Japanese.
>>1910331Wait is that so? Post screenshots lmao.
>>1910279>>1910312>>1910319>>1910323>>1910325This shit makes me want to be Mango's strongest soldier.Why are you having an actual meltdown in the thread?
>>1910334You're already Mango's strongest soldier you boring git.
Reminder East is Red will update after ODF comes out, so there's actually a reason to get excited for it.
>>1910411The 26th to be exact*
>>1910105NTA but I think it has to be coming along, while I know they said they were reworking Spain slightly a year ago they also are releasing actual focus tree teasers.
>>1910461>they also are releasing actual focus tree teasersHey remember well over a year ago when they posted a focus tree for "Amur's facelift" that turned out to be both completely smoke and mirrors and a total rework?
>Pakistan finally added as a tag>No one talks about it???
>>1910563anon i... what are we even supposed to say about it?
>>1910567We could shitpost about how the Pakt are the real anti-imperialists>Liberates Eastern Europe from the Soviet empire>Forces the British to apologise for their imperialism>Protects Muslims in Pakistan from India>Helps the Arabs fight for freedom from Italian imperialism>Fights for the self-determination of the Boer peoples>Campaigns for the independence of Jamaica and Iceland from OFN imperialism>Strives for the unification of brother peoples in Central Asia during the Turkes Kenes conference
>>1910572Doesn't work because they never tried to portray themselves as Anti-imperialists. Now Japan, on the other hand...
>>1910572It'll just be OTL people doing nothing. Nothing ever happens.>>1910581Yeah, Japan would be a good fit for the stuff they have in store for Pakistan considering their other ventures.... Which is why they're aligned with Nazi Germany...???
Nah anon pakistan aligning with the axis is fine. Its basically the only access for Germany into Asia (since they are removing Turkes Kenes and central asia skelies...), and the way they spring up is actually good. My only issue is that half of the India endings for both sides are OTL or outright uninspiring. Pakistan is OTL ending and OTL leader. India is like, Indira??? Seriously? Its also cool that AH is slightly better than ROI. If they fixed it up a little it would be a really interesting proxy. Shame its coupled with no playable content, and the next content drop, Brazil, will have no involvement with India.
>>1910604The update is adding new candidates for both RoI and AH and also unique elections for a peaceful unification scenario.
>>1910606I am aware? I am criticizing that lmao. I think some of the candidates are bad choices like Indira or the Pakistan leader
>>1910604Yeah, it fucking sucks.>>1910606>Elections that don't matterDont't care.>Peaceful unificationDon't care.Look back at all the times in your life when you've seen reason and considered killing yourself. Well, you could've, and everything would've gotten better because you wouldn't be saying stupid shit like this!>Civil war with proxies never>Unification war with proxies never>Interesting non-OTL leaders never>Playable content definitely fucking neverWhy do you even bother posting here when you know you have nothing to offer people who actually like HOI4 these days?
>>1910612First I'm not a dev, second all of that is coming in the next update what are you complaining about lol.
>>1910648Holy kino...
>>1910614>Next updateDon't care about anything they announced and it'll be worse than what they cut. Please kill yourself.>>1910648Based and cool ngl.
i forgor what happened to Hess after sealion
>>1910832Executed for treason.
>>1910648>worst UK general back from retirementWas one Market Garden not enough?
Iberian facelift (not just the wars) is apparently gonna be bigger than we expected. Bigger than Japan's at least.
>>1910890Thanks for telling us that it's never releasing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1ham4zo/is_it_possible_to_recreate_the_original_cold_war/>People already want to remove all alt history from the alt history mod
>>1910423>>1910457>>1910524
>>1910918Based nuTNO winPanzertroons on suicide watch
>>1910919More like everyone is on dying of boredom watch from this shitTNO has become aggressively anti-happening.
>>1910916Nu-TNO is basically turning into a convoluted long con to play CWIC without launching CWIC.>>1910918It's always funny when someone from this thread breaks containment and tells everyone how bad things really are and have them just be shocked at how bad things have gotten.
What's the consensus on ODF (the submod)? Fun? Boring? Good until it got integrated?
>>1910932Never cared for Antarctica desu
Kaiserbros can't stop winning.Kaiserreich releases two out of three of its biggest reworks in a span of a year, with current iteration of Russia rework being completed within a span year and a half.Meanwhile, TNO this year released two demos and a half, while continuosly cannibalizing its own lore, gameplay and legacy.
>>1910932Don't care at all but it's a fun idea. Sucks that it's being integrated into the main mod and it sucks that all submods will break now because of it.>>1911180While I really can't say I like either from a narrative standpoint (in fact I hate them), hats off and credit where it's due they're actually releasing what they promised that they would.>1½ year reworkTook a lot longer but there's still a lot of positives to be said there too. TNO uprooted everything with their reworks prompting the entire mod to have to be remade from scratch, going to far as to eventually just delete and rework most WIP content too (like all RKs). KR reworked both Germany and Russia and did it in a way that kept the foundations intact which allowed other content to be released in the meantime. They never stalled entirely like TNO did. The nu-devs are just the most monumental fuckups ever.
>>1911188Uh, Russia's rework took more than 4 years to release and the initial design plans were dropped at one point and new ones had to be made (admitted by the devs themselves). They did absolutely stall. You're right on everything else, though.
The difference with KR is that the KR russia lead left by his own accord and his team were left scrambling, took a break, restarted post-ukraine update and took about one and a half years to drop a sizable rework (even if I dont necessarily like its history or narrative). In TNO leads get purged lmao theres several examples, chiefly Einstein, and by doing so they outright killed France content, among others
>>1911189I know it took longer, I was correcting the above anon who said that it was a 1½ year job.>>1911200That's also true. KR is comparatively drama-free. I'm sure there's some, but nothing like TNO. Not only do you get the effects of purges but you also have power grabs that follows. With Einstein's departure for instance Lamounier took that as an opportunity to delete Burgundy outright. If you look at early leaks of the new France docs they never mentioned Burgundy and it remained soft-purged until they finally revealed it to the team later. You don't see anything near that malicious from KR's leads.
>>1911180Let's see what Corn has to say to this...Oh.
>>1911209"Perfection takes time." - Corn as he skeletonizes another fan favorite in Russia
>>1911200I think it's important to mention when the head dev of Russia left the Russia team didn't just sit around writing design docs for a year, they reintegrated into another team and were productive, TNO Devs could never
>>1911220TNO did have plans to actually get started on implementing various design docs. All of that went out of the window when Pacifica left and the Ugli/Corn duocracy decided to just scrap everything and do endless reworks instead. Practically everyone that ever had any talent on the Russia team has since been purged or quit. So you're actually understating the incompetence. It's not identical but it's like how Moskowien was destroyed.>People who actually cared put together huge documents with lots of interesting routes including huge civil wars, industrial slave states and SS feudalism>Nu-Devs delete everything after enough dissenters have been purged>Nu-Devs spend years putting together a railroaded moral tale with 0 gameplay outside of a few mini gamesIt just never ends with these people.
>>1911188Yeah, I know it took longer, that's why I'm writing 'current iteration'. If the lead dev hadn't quit, we would've had Russia for a year or so.
I miss her so much...
>>1911376Pot calling the kettle a tranny
>>1911220>>1911200These are spot on desu. You say what you want about the Kaiserreich dev team but it is obvious that they care about putting together a fun experience for their community. I personally dont like the black monday card game that much but it pales in comparison to shit like the haiti or madagascar GUI. But regardless about whether or not the content in KR is 'good' or not. The biggest boon they have is actually doing SOMETHING.I cannot stress how remarkable it is that the TNO devs release demo after demo after demo. With germany the kaiserreich devs announced the full update was coming out later in the month and then it did.
I don't remember the Haiti UI (maybe you mean Dominican), but the Madagascar one is HORRENDOUS. Cancerous to the human eye. Set the thing on the paths thing and never look at it ever trust me
>>1911619In ugly american they added a Haiti GUI to micromanage the country for several years. Almost as laggy as the madagascar one
>>1911620the lag has been fixed for a while now
>>1911622Still sucks and is worse than what it replaced.
>>1911622i remember when it came out, dear God that was awful...
Can someone post a flowchart for the India content including the civil war?
Having the urge to play Ukraine again. Now, the question is, Republic or U-SSR? I haven't played those yet.
>>1911779It doesn't matter, you will always lose unless you become a collaborator.
>>1911796I know, I've played the other 2 paths.
>>1911779Sounds like me when I have the urge to eat at McDonalds only to be instantly reminded why I fry burgers at home instead. Just don't. Your stomach will thank you later.
>>1911798I don't know about you but I found Ukraine fun enough to play it twice. It's not that bad.
>>1911799By itself the RK path isn't bad, their shitty handling of the resistance factions just left a really bad taste in my mouth. It's not just the forced failure, but that they'll nuke you and then the devniggers tell you that it's to preserve the lore about the breadbasket. It's just insulting. If I hadn't interacted with the devs, I'd likely just think of it as mid and leave it at that instead of outright disliking it.
>>1911809You don't get it anon.>Japan getting anything in the pacific out of ww2? Unrealistic.>Russia getting anywhere close to its OTL territory? Unrealistic.>Germany losing ever? Unrealistic.>Things happening? Unrealistic.>Kyiv getting NUKED out of the earth? Akstually anon this makes complete sense and there will be no international repercussions for this or consequences for Germany this makes complete sense
>>1911822The cherry on top is that they also argued that this was necessary because Germany's story arc would be screwed over if they lost their breadbasket. OK, take this at face value and assume that there are literally no other sources of food. Guess what? Even in their own cope they have Germany irradiate their entire food supply and it's no big deal. It's just so exhausting even thinking about this.
>KR update tomorrow>TNO update in a weekWe eating good this month!
>>1912004i mean... it is antartica but at least it's something, we playing soon!
Even the Kaiserreich community is mogging TNO lmao
>>1912004>TNO "update"
>>1912015This meme doesn't work in the way you think it works because in the movie Neptune makes a ton of patties but they're tasteless slop, while Spongebob makes a single one that's full of his love and care.
>>1912017I am aware, but it doesn't matter because the image alone is devoid of context and in the internet both instances of it have been used. Yeah sure keep throating though
>>1912004>its the Antarctica demoCRAWLING IN MY SKIN
>>1912015they got the fiji flag wrong
>>1912017well yes but nobody interprets it this way
>>1912015Honestly I am not even sure about the future of TNO, would you even say it has become too big for it to fail/die? Like, so many retards love it that they will keep replacing devs for an eternity.
>>1912031I wonder if TNO dev is like purgatory more for the fans or the devs. I would say the fans considering it seems like the devs very much enjoy reworking content over and over again forever.
>>1912004And all that eating is courtesy of KR while TNO is a bum that begs for tins of beans outside of the dining hall.>>1912017I don't think you could miss the point harder if you tried when it comes to making Spongebob memes.>>1912038Unironically true. I've known TNO devs that told me that they didn't mind reworking tags over and over again because it was a fun process to work on it kek. This is also why Rapop won't leave just because what remains of the fanbase think he's a fag for lying about actually updating Brazil.
>>1911180So much for being the KR killer, very pathetic of them desu
The things TNO could have been man..
>>1912091China could never do that. It's just not possible with the current technology.
>>1912094It's an alt-history scenario for a post 2030s gameplan man, let the lads get wild here, TFR was never about realism, since Attomwaffen and Cyberbiden are a thing, just enjoy the ride, TNO also used have ubertech kino like that, with the Liger, the Soviet Laser Tanks and a few others, kino burried by lamism
>>1912096I like my alt-history scenarious grounded in reality, thank you very much. Sci-fi isn't my cup of tea.
>>1912098>le groundedi guess you like them slow-burn and bone-chilling toojoyless cunt
>>1912091>>1912096
BREAKING: HELDENVOLK DEV SELLS OUT TO REWORKERS, THE FREE DUTCH WILL HAVE SKELTON CONTENT ONLY IN THE FIRST RELEASE OF HELDENVOLK, ATTEMPS TO OFFER "REWORKED" SOUTH AFRICA CONTENT AS COMPENSATION, FREE DUTCH PATRIOTS MUST REGAIN CONTROL
>>1912129what? sorry exactly what is happening?
>>1912098>grounded in reality>TNO
>>1912098>grounded in realityyou're such a dumb bitch
>>1912098You 41%ing yourself would also be pretty grounded. Yet, you remain here to shit up the thread.
>>1912136>>1912138>>1912139Triggered.
>>1912129NO ONE CARES ABOUT THAT SUBMOD
>>1912132The HENDELVOLK dev was reworking and reworked all over the place and now the free Dutch will only have skeleton content on first release, instead it South AFRICA that's getting content, Mango and Corn are personally responsible
>>1912141because you said dumb shit...? yeah it happens
>>1912144I thought we liked it?
>>1912147The only submod I am interested in is the Romania submod made by the Chinese, although I've yet to see any actual screenshots/teasers they posted
>>1907952Why not just rollback the game version and play the mod back when it wasn't ruined?
>>1912180Some people just want to be constantly mad. It's ye olde meme of>I'm gonna join a thread about thing I hate to post about how much I hate it
>>1912091Incredible, this is what althistory mods should have been about
>>1912180>back when it wasn't ruinedBtw what version is that? There are still a couple of Russian minors that I haven't played
>>1912202Well if you want Russian warlords, just switch to before toolbox theory and play as the Divine Mandate of Siberia
>>1912203Already played that, I want to try out the Urals technoschizo and that monarchist guy in the western part, don't remember his name>before toolbox theoryDoes it have a version number or something?
>>1912180Doesn't help with the fact that it was hijacked and driven into the ground by the nu-devs.>>1912145Lmao remember when we said it'd happen and they kept insisting that it wouldn't? Honestly feel bad for them. Mod looked ok, but now their original vision is getting destroyed because of the dream of being integrated.
>>1912195>Some people just want to be constantly mad. It's ye olde meme ofGot to entertain ourselves somehow.
>>1912238>not entertained by a Fiji skeleton or the old Antarctica mod that's been on the workshop for yearsOof, tough crowd.
>>1912129text goes like this Hello everyone, I (Five) wanted to let you know what’s going on in the project. As you may have noticed, great changes have happened to the project during 2024, and not all of these have been shown yet. In general I wanted to lay out how things occurred, and what the future of Heldenvolk is going to be.As HV started this year, the Dutch were a rather whacky corpo state that leaned on not much but vibes but with the arrival of new more experienced team members we ended up overhauling our Dutch lore to now have a solid political basis that our older ideas lacked. While the companies of the Free Dutch are still highly relevant, they will not be political entities like before. However, we need time to complete our design of both systems, characters, and gameplay, which means that our initial release will only include a skeleton version of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
>>1912252Which brings us to our second endeavor, South Africa development. It was started mostly as a small project, with a four man team of me, Dafid, Hek185 and Edgar Harford. Soon enough, we expanded our focus on South Africa and the wider region. Rather than just applying a layer of paint as initially intended, we rebuilt the entire foundation and are now in the process of building towards completion for full South African content.Our release in 2025 will contain completed South African content (pre-war, mid-war, and post-war) that will take you through the story of a nation staunchly devoted to the status quo thrown into a whirlwind of changes enforced upon them from the outside and inside. A Prime Minister unwilling to adapt, only to appease in the face of storm clouds floating southwards. A radical in exile crossing the Rubicon in a final chance for a “free” Boer state. The downtrodden and abused beginning to speak in one voice for their own liberation. The scourge of Ostafrika stretching his influence further and further. And in these dark times, South Africa sees itself as THE LAST LIGHT as the winds of change, good or bad, begin flowing over the Cape.
>>1912252Good call, vibes alone do not carry a tag.
>>1912253they also posted this. Seems really fucking odd for a Dutch mod to switch over to launching with South Africa, but I guess there is the boer connection.
>>1912252NIGGA FUCKING CAVED TO THE REALISM CLIQUE NO SOUL, ENDLESS REWORKS AND NOTHING BUT A SKELETON YOU WERE WARNED THIS WOULD HAPPEN FIVETHEY WERE NEVER GOING TO ACCEPT YOUR NON-WIKI TAG INTO THE MODIT'LL BE REWORKED UNTIL NOTHING REMAINS OF YOUR DREAMYOU'RE A LIVING METAPHOR FOR THE OCCUPIED NETHERLANDS>>1912261Because Five was always hoping to get integrated. Every time people told him that the nu-devs would wreck HV he said that nothing would happen, that the changes were planned anyway and that things were going well. Well now the guy is taking orders directly from Mango and friends and the Free Dutch are never getting content. Should've listened to the people that told him not to trust the TNO devs.
>>1912270>NOTHING BUT A SKELETONIt literally says full playable content for South Africa
>>1912273South Africa isn't the Free Dutch.You know, the original point of the mod?The thing that'll never ever happen?
>>1912276It's still content, and even better because it has a big war.
>>1912279>I-it's still content Yeah, content that has nothing to do with the original purpose of the mod which is now relegated to being a neutered skeleton.>The big warWE'VE BEEN PLAYING THAT SINCE V1.0Hey cunt know what would've been interesting? Seeing conflicts involving the Free Dutch and seeing how they might interact with the SAW. Know what we'll never see? Anything of the sort. But hey at least we're getting ANOTHER REWORK BY ANOTHER TEAM THAT'S GETTING INTEGRATED IN SLOW MOTION AGAIN AND AGAIN
>>1912287So now having a war in the war game is bad? Lmao at the mental gymnastics you have to do to hate on new content.
>>1912288You dumb sack of shit we already have it and you keep refusing to address the actual point I'm making: we're never getting the Free Dutch content, just reworks and reworks and reworks, and Five along with the HV vision will just be chewed up and spat out by Mango. Stop evading this.>Having a war is badPlease copy-paste the quote where I said that. Oh wait, it doesn't exist? Because what I actually said was that it would've been cool to see it from a Dutch angle? You know, the thing that we'll never ever see because HV was given away to Mango, Corn and Lamounier? You know, the people that fucking hated everything about their Free Dutch since day 1? The same people that have now buckbroken HV into reducing the Dutch to a skeleton? Don't you even dare to say that it'll eventually get content "eventually", we've had at least half a year of them rolling back their Dutch ambitions ever since the snake charmer started to play the false tune of integration.
>>1912287 they already said they are adding naval combat and a complete new rebalance to the SAW, it's not just the 1.0 version of the war. Stop overreacting.
>>1912294reacted to the wrong dude.
>>1912295>Stop overreacting they're totally adding things that aren't the Free Dutch ie the original point of the mod
>>1912299why don't you grow some balls and complain on their discord, faggot
>>1912307Bold of you to assume that I've never done that before. I already expressed that I had concerns about them cozying up with the TNO devs in the past, several months ago when things were starting to go down this path. Nothing happened then and nothing will happen now that they've gone all-in on integration. If fucking sucks and I hate being proved right about this because now I'll never get to play the thing that I was actually interested in seeing coming out of the mod.
>>1912307NTA but im pretty sure most people here are banned from the discord, me included
>>1912312HV has its own discord
>>1912311lmao get fucked retard
>>1912312how much of a retard do you have to be to be banned from the HV discord? it's like being banned from 2WRWs
>>1912311you're actually a whiny retard. get mental help lol
>>1912312They used to be more chill about 4chan. I haven't been there since some time it became clear the Free Dutch content was never happening but if that changed it's probably another nu-dev concession.>>1912316>People who wanted to see what was originally advertised are retardsTaking on the nu-TNO hospitality when dealing with old fans I see.
>>1912318Bruh I just wanted to play what was originally announced and don't like that it'll never happen.
What are the chances Rapop triumphantly comes back the 31st with a freshly finished Brazil update?
>>1912328Same as the chances of him actually quitting over the fact that it'll never release: 0%
TFObros we are so back!>Today the TFO team is very happy to announce the starting situation of Peru. While the military steps down in defeat and democracy is restored, the people of Peru face a turbulent time ahead. With the election looming and enemies surrounding it, will it be able to survive or be swept as another casualty of the cold war?
>>1912356>Another shithole where nothing interesting happensAt least it isn't a tiny irrelevant island...?
>>1912356Can we bring it back under dictatorship.
>>1912328He could have just told the Lacereda or whatever his name is devs to fuck off and had Adhemar Done for months, Now he's getting beaten out by Fucking Kaiserdev, do you know how fucking embarrassing that is?
>>1912372>do you know how fucking embarrassing that is?Here's a thought: even if the update did drop you'd have a full rework of a major from KR while TNO would have two routes with minimal actual content, five hundred events about modern day gay/abortion rights transplanted onto 60s Brazil, endless OTLism and a war that the devs themselves even said won't matter at all. Consider the following: Rapop is slinking out of the door because he knows he'll lose to KR even if it does release and KR winning on walkover is less embarrassing than that one time their Mexico demo was mogged by the Chinese GAW mod and largely forgotten the same weekend that it dropped.
>>1912385>endless OTLismBrazil was a military dictatorship during that period. This doesn't apply here.
>>1912114Nu-TNO fans when the modern day war mod for a war game isn’t a visual novel with 20 GUIs for every playable tag
>>1912098>Sci-fi isn't my cup of teafaggot
Really makes you think.>Early TNO had moon and Mars landings, laser tanks, experimental WW2 blueprint jets, Soviet ubermensch programs and more>Nu-TNO has none of this and the leads get mad when something isn't straight out of Wikipedia Literal regression. They even destroy content to make it happen. Glenn gone, Zhdanov will be reworked to have all his science gone. The erasure of TNOs soft sci-fi and other more light-hearted elements really did a lot of damage to the mod and contributed to its current joyless tone.
>>1912451Am I not allowed to have preferences?
>>1912251>>not entertained by a Fiji skeleton or the old Antarctica mod that's been on the workshop for yearsThat doesn't matter when the nu-tno devs are gonna ruin it.
>>1912496Most cucky response a human being has ever uttered. Do you get pegged often?
>>1912372Wouldn't work because there's stuff other than the main paths like some proxies and the war that aren't still finished.
>>1912600>the war that aren't still finishedOh wow are you telling me that turning every conflict into a convoluted mini game with ten different variables to keep track of is retarded, anon? Who could've thought!
>>1912600Yeah but devs could have been redirected to work on those things instead of Lacereda
>>1912611No they couldn't, they had to be redirected to finish the Mexico demo and then the Antarctica demos.
>>1912356Fuck off Big Weld, no one likes your mod.
>>1912253>>1912261Only thing I want from HV is a playable Boer Republic that can align with Einheitspakt during the South African War. Even if nudevs plan to remove the RKs, it won't happen for at least a decade.
>>1912824I think only the Reichsstaat is confirmed to be on the chopping block right now since Lamounier (the Germany lead) hates it. But he also considers to RKs to be unrealistic so it might be like how moving and reworking Serov was just a way to get the foot in the door for a total Komi rework.
Is there anything nu-devs WON'T cut?
>>1912880Mexico, Mango's America when it updates in 2037, and the thousand year Fiji skeleton. That'll all you're getting in Schwab's TNO.
>>1912880Good content.
>>1913019Funniest joke all thread or a delusional devnigger? You decide!
Rapop is back on the team and plans to hold onto power until C&B is released, afterwards he will (quote) "hold a transition of power to Jag and various other members of the team".
>>1913264I hope he and his family endure long and grueling battles with prostate cancer
>>1913264And since it's never releasing TNO is stuck with him forever. LMAO what a cowardly faggot.
can anybody send me the image where there's QPQ raging?
>>1913290and the ones where he rages at Nixon
>Season's Greetings from the South Pole! We are very happy to announce that our next update, Operation Deep Freeze, will be released on December 22nd!>Step onto the frozen continent as Neuschwabenland, the OFN Antarctic Administration, and the Argentine Antarctic Sector and experience the wonders, and the horror of Antarctica. As the last unspoiled frontier on earth is subsumed by human conflict, the Cold War grows ever colder…>The world map of The New Order is also receiving a complete ground up rework, changing the projection, adding many new states, rivers, islands, VPs, accurate coastlines, GDP, population numbers and more! Suffice it to say this is the most accurate world map ever made for Hearts of Iron 4 and represents the tireless work of our map contributors. We hope the increased visual fidelity will help immerse you in the world like never before. >But what would a world be without events driving it? Operation Deep Freeze will also feature new Indian skeleton content, the new microstate of Sikkim, the birth of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and two new proxies, the Indian War of Unification and the Subcontinental Crisis. Will the subcontinent be consumed by the fires of war, or will it douse the flames of its own self-destruction?>Speaking of change, the Republic of Turkey has recieved a new skeleton, as has Reichskommisariat Moskowien. Additionally Cambodia and New Zealand have received new skeletons and the Pacific has also seen the addition of the new starting situation of Fiji. >In short, the World of TNO is now more fully realised than ever, and we are so excited for you to get your hands on it next week.
>>1913290
>>1913300>skeleton content for CambodiaPlease... Just a crumb of Manchukuo content...
>>1913319do you have the one where he talks about Nixon?
>>1913328This is the only other QPQ one I have other than the 24 election reaction.
Yugo is the biggest cunt in the dev team with his dunning-kruger autism and big ass ego and yet he doesn't get enough hate here, what gives?
>>1913332there was one where he said something along the lines of "Nixon was a piece of shit that deserved to suffer etc etc" which was hilarious sadly i cant find it anymore
>>1913335Don't worry bro I gotchu
>>1913336
>>1913338>twitter fag makes a joke about Nixon being a gangster>genius writer starts ranting that this is NOT TRUE because Nixon got drunk and sadHes such a sperg lmao.
>>1913336>>1913338Other cap anon, saving these for later in case someone else requests them.
>>1913300>Step onto the frozen continent as Neuschwabenland, the OFN Antarctic Administration, and the Argentine Antarctic Sector and experience the wonders, and the horror of Antarctica>The world map of The New Order is also receiving a complete ground up rework, changing the projection, adding many new states, rivers, islands, VPs, accurate coastlines, GDP, population numbers and more>Operation Deep Freeze will also feature new Indian skeleton content, the new microstate of Sikkim, the birth of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and two new proxies, the Indian War of Unification and the Subcontinental Crisis.>Speaking of change, the Republic of Turkey has recieved a new skeleton, as has Reichskommisariat Moskowien. Additionally Cambodia and New Zealand have received new skeletons and the Pacific has also seen the addition of the new starting situation of Fiji.
>>1913300You mean that we get BOTH a Fiji AND a Sikkim skeleton on top of integrating those demos you made several years ago? Devniggers... You're spoiling us.
>>1913300Its actually impressive how much of a non-update this is. 3 tags in antarctica that were made by a submod's dev team and a new map projection. How does anyone still care about this mod?
>>1913388>>1913398there's also the india war
>>1913398No one does, it's fucking dead, devniggers killed it.>>1913399Which we can't play, is a downgrade from what we were promised half a decade ago and likely won't have any cool leaders in it. Most exciting guy in either tag will just be le generic military junta man and you know it.
>>1913409>Which we can't playUSA, Germany and Japan can intervene.
>>1913412>You get to send a WHOLE division as volunteers!>All other developments are RNG though sorry.>Focus tree? Determining the future of the country yourself? What do you think this is, a game?
>>1913436>What do you think this is, a game?that's your mistake, anon. This is a Visual Novel Immersive Reading and Political Decision Making Experience for the Highest of High Intellectual Wisepeoples for Peoplekind™TNO might be a little to in-depth and smart for someone like you.
>>1913333Normally people that get hate here are TC level, since they're high and important enough to make key decisions in the mod or sperg on Twitter like QPQ and Mango. I do agree though, Yugo has made statements like "I did the VPs in LATAM, Japan and Manchuria" solo or how he's the "top code pushers of all time" with one liner pushes.
>>1913333>>1913568A lot of people even in these threads tend to give him a pass because he's one of the few people left on the team that tells the devniggers that their ideas are shit to their faces. Everyone else that did that have been purged or left by this point. It's easy to become excused if no one else has either a spine or half a brain. There was a rumor a while back that he caved to Mango so that's probably why no one's just talked about him in ages. Last Yugo mention was back in the summer.
TNO before and after. Feel old yet?
i miss the unreadable font TNO release... it has gotten that bad
>>1913300>Antarctica demo you played years ago>Map rework no one asked for that breaks all submods (all wars are gone and you can't paint it any more)>Every Pacific island meticulously added, half of Germany's content is still unplayable>Skeleton India you can't play, all old funny routes gone>Micro state skeletons advertised as a feature without a hint of irony>Axis war gain erasure galore, nothing ever happens>Moskowien civil war deleted, new shitty skeleton shoehorned in>Lamounier's German occupation of Arctic Russia that can't go away even if they win 2WRW (releasing next century)>Rework of a reworked Turkish skeleton (last thread's dev Turkey collapse confirmed)Guys, I'm already feeling nostalgic for the Mexico demo at this point. At least the content there was new and playable I guess. This is just torture.>>1913647https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2665192983&searchtext=vt323There's a mod for that. Never really thought about it before but you're right, this is one more way that they made the mod blander.
>>1913658>all old funny routes gonewhat "old funny routes"? both indias had like 3 boring leaders each
does TNO still do the meme of "sorry chud, you picked the wrong path and now your country has collapsed" or did they dework it out
>>1913664NuTNO's design policy is that failstates should happen only when failing a mechanic. No trap paths.
something that isn't in the announcement: a bunch of subideologies are also getting new icons and there are a couple more subids
>>1913667This is a good thing though, trap paths are awful.
>>1913660No, the new content is just an extension of that. afaik the excitement levels from that is akin to Mexico getting its bland military dictatorship in a few years. The old stuff was basically old Russia tier in terms of crazy and had BurgSys routes planned.>>1913664>>1913667It's kind of a monkey's paw thing. You have no trap paths but all paths are so bland and boring. It's nice that their Sverdlovsk rework won't have any traps, but it's also just a generic military dictatorship.>>1913678Does the update also include all the cuts that leaked out of the comvet channel last thread?
>>1913681>The old stuff was basically old Russia tier in terms of crazy and had BurgSys routes planned.yeah but that's 5 year old shit that was never implemented
>>1913682They should've implemented that instead of whatever bland content they're adding now. Bro I bet you it's gonna be:>Generic elections with milquetoast leaders and a slightly out-there communist or despotist>Most exciting outcomewill be le generic military man>Avoidable war that even if it fires just leads to le genericfaces uniting thingThey will never think outside of the box with any of this. I'm so tired of this. It's going to be Corn's Russia reworks all over again.
>>1913685>you heckin fucked up the elections, you pissed off the military, oh my god the country is in chaos!>the military just walked into the presidential building!
>>1913687>Abdullah Generi-Khan takes over>Everything proceeds as normal, but trans rights are being trampled on in unwholesome Pakistan>Feel sad damn it
>>1913658come play The Fire Rise then if you hate all the changes
Azad Hind is actually kino but you guys aren't ready for this conversation.
>>1913697I am. TFR is actually good and reminds me a lot of old TNO. I just wish TNO hadn't imploded so that I could have two mods to look forward to since I like the base setting of TNO a lot. Well before all the reworks at least.>>1913699I'll believe it when I see it.
>>1913616Atlantropa's removal was the beginning of the end. Complaining that it was unrealistic and infeasible opened the doors to the joyless cunts who claim that everything isn't "up to current standards" or "implausible".
>>1913706a lot of people who push back against atlantropa say that it was never actually in Himmler's mind, it was made up by his doctor but i think that's the point. it's so cartoonishly stupid and despite that most people believed Himmler actually thought of building the dam, it's totally in line with idiotic nazi thinking despite it not being real and therefore makes the mod more alive and interesting. but no, no fun is allowed
>>1913706Atlantropa did look fucking retarded on the map but you are right that it invited the "muh realism" crowd
>>1913706As someone that was a higher up at the time I really wish I'd fought against it instead of being indifferent. Once those fuckers got the foot in the door it was all over. Gave an inch, they took ten miles. The slippery slope of muh realism is real.
>>1913707Atlantropa wasn't a Himmler thing. It was put forward by Sorgel and all the nazis laughed at him.
>>1913708I honestly liked the way it looked on the map. It was a visible scar on Earth's geography by the Nazis, even if it's unrealistic for enough concrete to even exist to dam the entire Med.It's like the Congo Lake, which will probably be inevitably removed once they actually get around to Africa.
No, nu-devs actually think the Congo dam makes sense and they are keeping it. Should tell you enough about the realism lmaoAnyway, remember when we were in q4 2023 and the brazil update seemed just a few months away? And germany content was set for the end of 2024? And fascist Italy was just some code and loc away from releasing? And there had been no cuts to red italy? Nothing ever happens
>>19137142025 will be the year of tno
>>1913714Has nothing to do with the nu-devs. The old Africa lead, Atomic Falco, wrote a hundred page essay on how it made sense using nuclear physics. Even if that's bullshit, that's such a high level of autism that it's earned its place especially since Africa is abandoned at this point.>All those releasesI forgot the lies about Italy. The lies about Germany are the ones we get annually. Only really remember the "Brazil is a few weeks of loc away from release" meme appearing in the spring. God, it's been so long. Why can't anything happen? How the fuck are we in a place where they're advertising Sikkim skeleton as a feature?!>>1913715I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE 2025 FIJI REWORK ANONI'M SO FUCKING PUMPED FOR THE 2025 FIJI REWORK
>>1913717proof?
>>1913718What did you reply to? It was instantly deleted.
>>1913720referring to britain
>>1913658Half of these complaints are either nothingburgers or complaining that tags get more content lmao. Oh too bad Moscowien has more lore now than every leader's bio and natspirit being "destiny calls" or india having more than two news events relating to it. And what does pacific development have to do with Germany?
>>1913723>complaining that tags get more content lmaoIt's a bunch of skeletons and some bland shit in India, whoop-dee-doo.>Oh too bad Moscowien has more lore nowYou deleted tons of old content and replaced it with blander shit that's less eventful. The proposal is in the OP, we know what it is, you can't trick us. It's just "le Nazis are evil and corrupt" followed by a hefty dose of nothing ever happening. No civil war, just a tag that sits around and does fuckall for the entire game.>And what does pacific development have to do with Germany?It's a remark on your shit priorities. Most of the mod is in shambles and you're wasting time on Sikkim and Fiji. It's just another big fuck you to the community.
>>1913723hooray, more leader descriptions instead of content!
>>1913723bait used to be believable>too bad Moscowien has more lore now than every leader's bio and natspirit being "destiny calls"that implies mosk will ever come outwe're on like the 10th reworkit would take very very little for it to turn into 11>or india having more than two news events relating to itwith... peaceful unification and genericojeets.i know they've said there will be a war but i don't trust these people after "just a little more brazil loc" and "removing the GCW will not cause any issues for existing and future content"
>>1913722It's plausible since we know it's all getting reworked. It would be a very Frost thing to shit all over people he pretended to be friends with in the past.
>>1913729how do you know they're genericos?
>>1913729peacefull unification is just one of the outcomes, more often than not the war happens
>>1913731THEY ADD NOTHING BUT GENERICOS THESE DAYS YOU DUMB NIGGER PROVE ME WRONG
>>1913723YIPPIEEEE!!!!!! NEW SLOP!!!!! YIPPIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!>>1913731because have you looked at the absolute state of modern TNO?the pakistan teaser was literally an OTL guy but oooohhh he's also a pakt observer for some reason>>1913732again ill believe it when i see it
>>1913733Bose is a generico?
>>1913735what's the point of making assumptions that will be disproven in a week?
>>1913736In real life? No. In the hands of the devniggers? He'll be utterly fucking generic.>>1913737You tell me Mr. Two Weeks of Brazil Loc Left.
>>1913702>TFR is actually good and reminds me a lot of old TNO.too bad it will not lasted long>>1913508 >>1913731
>>1913741
>>1913740>He'll be utterly fucking generic.source?
>>1913737what's the point of shilling for a mod that has alienated its own fanbase and the only people defending it at this point are either literal discord trannies like scaresith (who may have actually killed himself) or actual developers shilling for their own fucking mod?
>>1913744Yeah no the burden of proof falls on your shoulders devnigger no one here is ready to take your claims at face value.
>>1913746you're the one claiming shit, I'm just asking why would you think india is full of genericos
>>1913747I believe him
>>1913747>why would you think india is full of genericosbecause literally everything else is genericosthe nazis are being turned into invincible generico pencil pushersmexico is genericosvote pig is genericos, any interesting presidential candidates are deliberately kneecapped so they can't do shitguangdong is interesting but that was before the solidification of the "current standards" regime
>>1913750I don't think you know the meaning of genericos, all those countries you listed are full of interesting characters.
>>1913751they are not you retarded devnigger
we kee having the same conversation every 4 days for fuck sake
>>1913752germany has ppl like himmler, eigruber, oberlander, etcmexico has madrazo and salinasvote pig has nixon, jfk, schlafly, reagan...how are these genericos? they're ppl with interesting ideas and/or personalities
>>1913747You're the devnigger, post the full chart for the tag then motherfucker. Until then I have no reason to believe >>1913756>Shilling Mexico rework>Shilling Vote PigOK you're literally Mango, not even going to bother arguing with you except>weh weh y u call them genericos its not le literal textbook definitionYOU'RE MAKING THEM BORING YOU BORING CUNT
>>1913758I'm not a dev, asshole
>>1913758What exactly did you like about pre-SFFG Mexico?
>>1913729>i know they've said there will be a warYeah There'll be a war, that's been repeateadly confirmed, it's coded in the game for a fact. You can not trust devs but they're not going to outright lie about content of such scope lmao. The last statement is also true, the gcw's removal actually hasn't impacted any content to any major degree besides changing a few sentences.
>>1913762You're obviously a devnigger fuck off.>>1913764More devnigger lies. See why no one trusts you? You fuckers lie about everything.
>>1913767>liedo you have any physical proof to back that up or youre just paranoid?
>>1913768>>1907952Proposal is in the OP and it disproves everything you say.
>>1913769OUTDATED PROPOSAL YOU NIGGER
>>1913770Post the new one then.
>>1913770>The tenth rework is already outdated
>>1913770source?
>>1913771>>1913773why would we want to share anything on mongolian basket weaving board?
>>1913775Because you come here to shill your mod every so often so you might as well prove us wrong by posting your new cool rework proposal that'll finally prove us wrong. Because as it stands: you're outed as a devnigger, you're claiming that you have access to an updated proposal, and until you share it then the one in the OP will be considered as the current one. Ie, the one that proves that you're lying and got caught like every other time you tried this with us.
>>1913779>Because you come here to shill your mod every so oftenWait, we are???????????????????????????
>>1913780his paranoid ass believes everyone who defends the mod is a dev
>>1913782>Claims he has access to an 11th Moskowien rework doc that he's just refusing to share >>1913770 >>1913775>"Oh yeah I'm totally not a dev"Nice damage control.
>>1913787can you prove that guy is the same you accuse of being a dev every thread?
>>1913788Post the Moskowien doc or fuck off devnigger.
>>1913789wrong guy, retard
>>1913792Yeah that's what I thought. Scram.
>>1913794PISS OFF AND GO PLAY A DIFFERENT MOD
>Actual HOI4 playerbase thinks your updates are shit>"Go play a different mod."It's the TFO shill discussion all over again.
>>1913799>Actual HOI4 playerbase>1 4chan schizolmao
>Actually, people who play HOI4 are really hyped for our Fiji skeletonslmao
>>1913805Well I am, what's next? You gonna call me a dev because you can't accept there's players who like the mod?
>>1913805too bad 4chan is a vocal minority
>>1913771
>>1913807but you are a dev
>>1913809That's just the content from the OP proposal but without Kaminski.
>>1913808>ban all forms of dissent>actually you see the playerbase wants this>look at scaresith's rotting, hanging corpse
>>1913821>ban all forms of dissentnever happened
>>1913815That's the most updated one.
>>1913822Comments like these are why we screencap everything the devs say and do.
>>1913824did you ignore the fact that feedback can still be posted in gendisc?
>>1913825>Shut down all formal channels for feedback>"You can still shout into the wind in general where you'll be ignored, just be polite."
>>1913831no one actually submitted feedback to the feedback channel, it was mainly used for meme suggestions and bug reports
>>1913834this guy gets it
>>1913835TNO devs glow in the dark. They glow in the dark. You need to misgender them. You need to say he/him
New Roundtablehttps://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdfAlso new mech from the space team. Denmark GUI is real.
>>1913850>Bormann nearly finished>Speer maybe only halfway done>Kampfzeit not even done conceptuallyAbsolute fucking state.
>>1913850>wasting time on space race in a wargame
>>1913850>Japan rework is a thing again>Russia dev still totally dead>Poland dev is totally dead>Brazil release date changed to TBD>Bormann almost done just like in the August leak>Literally "just a few weeks of Bormann loc left">Speer is totally unfinished past 1969, design unfinished>Kampfzeit is totally unfinished despite being in the works for half a decade>Corn and Kateryna are reworking more Russian tags>Sverd and Tomsk rework are still happening>Nearly all warlords ungergoing changes>Chilean Antarctica happening SoonHoly shit, they accomplished fucking nothing in four months.
>>1913850Oh my god. Fucking terra invicta level shit. gtfo
>>1913850damn that's gore
>>1913850I'm sorry for ever calling you bloated as fuck, Mexico.
Why is TNO obsessed with adding content that has nothing to do with HOI4's actual genre?
>>1913869I mean, that's kinda their schtick
>>1913850Honestly wouldn't mind the space content as I enjoy it but dear God we are NEVER seeing this.
>>1913869Because the game involves wars and things happening and that's no fun. It's better to just propose broken Denmark GUI mockups until the heat death of the universe. Also 4th space rework or something at this point lmao.
>>1913869Because Hoi4 is inherently dysfunctional game, therefore every mod needs to redo it from scratch.
>>1913907Literally no one except TNO does this. Everyone else is just vanilla with a new coat of paint. Even mods that add lots of new mechanics like MD and TFR still have lots of content true to the fundamentals of HOI4. Again, literally only TNO exclusively focuses on shitting out Denmark GUIs all over the place.
>>1913850Do the devs ever get demoralized because literally everything they put out leaks?
>>1913948this is not a teaser though, it's a design pic
>>1913955what's the difference?
>>1913967this was not meant for us to see
>>1913955>TeaserIncidentally, a word I never used also these are obviously design documents and internal memos, obviously no one outside of the team is meant to see any of this.
>>1913850god bless the leaker
As someone currently still on the dev team, I hypothesize that the unwillingness to criticize or show any form of resistance to the current leadership originates not only from the intolerance of those in charge to any criticism, but also out of a lack of trust of anyone else on the dev team to speak criticism out to safely. Since Panzer's time with the entire Shadow Clique any time devs wanted to actually get work done even covertly, it has always resulted in mass bans and I presume with so many devs lurking in the /vst/ threads in plain sight (some to shill and others to voice their complaints freely), no one wants to voice criticism within actual dev circles out of fear of being labelled "a 4channer". Now, for those of you on the dev team who actually want change to come to the mod in a positive manner, every year the TNO team has an opportunity to elect a new project lead. Do you think it's possible to vote Mango's goons out, or do you think it's as much of a farce as liberal democracy is itself?
>>1913850There was literally nothing wrong with the old UI, and it was actually programmed in. Why the fuck did they feel the need to chuck it all out?
>>1914010>Why the fuck did they feel the need to chuck it all outoh you know why. it's just an excuse to REWORK
>>1914010That's a new tab that opens when you click create mission in pic rel. The originial GUI hasn't changed that much.
>>1914007This has been discussed here before, often by devs. Consensus is that it's pretty much done for. Everyone in the leadership are people that are Mangoites or similar. We've had years of them promoting and bringing in their friends, and years of everyone else being purged. Whoever's nominated is going to be cut from the same cloth and inevitably surrounded by friends of Mango, Frost, Lamounier and their ilk.It's fucking done for, get out of there while you can. Every one of us that did ended up being happier once we did.
With the expansion westwards of RK Ostland and the rework of the war for Onega, these are the HEAVILY approximated borders of a fully successful, curb-stomping Russia over Germany. Smolensk, much of Novgorod, Bryansk, (maybe) Karelia and Murmansk, will be denied to the player in this conflict. The rest of the land will be disputed post-2WRW between germany and ethnic partisans conditionally aligned to Russia through proxies. The possible outcomes of these proxy conflict between the rebels and the Heer have not yet been disclosed.
>>1914139>conditionally aligned to RussiaThis shit always sends me. The Russian/Red/Eurasian/whatever army can't beat Germany. But a bunch of partisans who have been massacred for the last 30-40 years can. And somehow not be re-invaded.This plot armour railroading bullshit is actually absurd.
>>1914139Holy shit Lamounier expanded Ostland just so that Russia would get less in the war (that they're never adding). Sure am glad 2WRW won't integrate any of these retarded peace deals.>>1914194"Ukrainian rebels in the most unstable parts of the Reich hardened by decades of war are too weak to fight off Germany. Even when they win, they lose.""Russia is too weak to defeat Germany even with the resources and industrial might of Eurasia behind them. Even if they win, they lose.""Plucky Lithuanian partisans right on Germany's doorstep in the most purified part of the Reich can fucking curb stomp Germany. Then, Tukhachevsky can BEG them for their CONDITIONAL support."It's infuriating that this is the railroading they force on you and then they lecture you on realism. it's retarded even in their own lore.
Imagine getting mad at something that is never coming out.
>>1914228It's more about the way they act that's pissing me off. The way they smugly lecture you about these things and put out plans that are so retarded that they're tantamount to trolling. Most of us here also liked the mod at some point so it just sucks to know that not only will none of this ever come out but also if it does it'll be terrible. You just have nothing to look forward to.
>>1914139>>1914220The partisans can win against Germany because it's having a communist revolution at that moment
>>1914241So the Lithuanian partisans can defeat Germany while they're undergoing a full-blown revolution but Russia is just too hopeless and weak to advance into Belarus at the same time? What the fuck is wrong with these people?Also leak full details on the communist revolution if you got them, that was never leaked before I think.
>>1914253Specifics are still TBD, as there are other design priorities atmbut basically>government can fall but it's not guaranteed>it's not a civil war>germany doesn't stop being a superpower
>>1914261Also according to corn, oktan and kaminski can take all of russia if they win the 2wrw
>>1914261>>1914263So Zhukov stops at the RK borders, Germany's government collapses, but the communist government in Berlin can retain control over the RKs because they're too strong and Russia is too weak to attack their red Wehrmacht and their only chance to get their otl borders is if Germany gives it to Kaminski if they win? What?This is retarded and has no logic to it even by devnigger standards.
>>1914276You're making a lot of wild assumptions.
Does it even matter? It will never come out and even if it'd do by the point they'd get there it'd be redone 20 times over
Does anybody have the entire compilation of leaks like in the previous threads?
>>1914281So Corn lied when he said that Russia can't get their clay back in the 70s and that they'd just stop at the border with Ostland?>>1914284Trve...>>1914287They're in the OP.
>>1914291>So Corn lied when he said that Russia can't get their clay back in the 70s and that they'd just stop at the border with Ostland?Uh technically the land they get in the 2wrw victory is their clay (that is, core russian land). Corn's justification is that Russia wouldn't be able to sustain such an offensive for too long, as the material capabilities are just not there, and he wants Russia to have something to do during the 80s, hence the proxies in eastern europe, dunno how that'll mesh with the communist revolution, especially in the case of a soviet unifier. He also doesn't want to copy how 2wrw submod does things because "what's the point of giving them something they already played?"
>>1914295Well Corn is an idiot and I don't care what he thinks.
>>1914295A proxy war between two neighbouring states doesn't even make sense.This is another stupid Ukraine war reference, isn't it?
>>1914311>A proxy war between two neighbouring states doesn't even make sense.ahem
>>1914291>They're in the OPI meant all of them. Around 1GB or so.
>>1914311Yes, they're still mad about it and it explains all their inconsistent nonsense.>>1914318That piece of Denmark GUI is never releasing lmao.
>>1914333i mean compared to actual denmark GUI and space GUI it looks a lot cleaner
>>1914333the gui has nothing to do with my point, it was meant to illustrate that a proxies between 2 neighbouring states already exist and make sense, but you were too stupid to get that it seems
>>1914335Cope + never releasing + Rapop is a fag that should resign in disgrace.
>>1914340It sucks and no one cares.
>>1914318TNO's development has become incestuous.>>1914340They don't, though. Brazil/Argentina and Russia/Germany are two entirely different ballparks. Two corrupt literally who states versus THE BATTLE OF DESTINY in Eastern Europe, Russians baying for the blood of the motherfuckers who carved out the western USSR into a bunch of settler colonies and killed millions for spurious racial ideology reasonsThe stakes are entirely different and Russia suddenly giving up because "making materiel and logistics hard :(" doesn't make sense especially considering that Russians are and historically have been pigheaded fatalists.
>>1914354Inb4 BUH BUH MUH LOREUnless you want to stop Russian unifiers from building like 90% of the equipment in the game there is genuinely no reason, if you've encircled and captured countless Germans and their equipment, from rifles to Panzers, with minimal equipment losses and casualties, that Russia should suddenly run out of steam for no reason after pushing into Mosk.
>>1914356Not wanting to do what a better submod did already is a retarded reason for Russia to do this gay NATO-type "tee hee I'm not actually hitting you it's actually Balts armed with Russian made weapons that we somehow lost tee hee" with partisan bands that shouldn't actually exist considering Germany no longer has a civil war or any kind of collapse in its colonies that would justify them not being rooted out and executed by Heer antipartisan forces or the SS.
>>1914007Just leave and join a different team lmao. Go work on the the fire rises or red dusk or any actual fun mod. Hell if you want a gajillion little fucking effects just join KR. At-least you'd be able to release shit then.
>>1914295>I'm sorry, but since someone else did it right the first time we have to do it in the most ass-backwards way imaginable. I'm sorry, but our hands were tied.t. Corn
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>>1914392Weld, why are you still posting here? No one likes your mod. At least your people are friendlier than the TNO devs I guess.
>>1914392thousands feet reich
Rare Corn W
>>1914415>but russia can never conquer the baltic tho
>>1914415Corn's especially annoying like that because he has good instincts on a lot of things and his gut reaction, like this one, is usually correct. His problem is that he's a spineless cunt that caves to whatever the general opinion in the room is. TNO abandoned trap paths and this is the allowed opinion? Then yeah, he'll say it, no matter what he may have thought before that. TNO wants endless generic reworks? Then yeah, he'll support that, no matter what his prior opinions were. Really, this is more of an even more unusual Lamounier W because he's the one that told Corn that this was the allowable rework opinion of the week.
why does the discord community hate you guys. I just asked about you guys there and they are not friendly about it.Corn even threatened to mute anyone talking about 4chan
>>1914436>dont worry my goys there's absolutely no censorship going on in the discord
>>1914436just read through the thread and you'll see why
>>1914436They hate us because we're the last major forum for open discussion about their mod that they can't censor and it's also known for being a place where current and former devs vent about their woes which hurts the image of a "united party" so to speak.
>>1914441Eh, I think it's more because this place gets leaks constantly and don't want to advertise it.
>>1914442These go hand in hand. If lots of the current devs didn't hate the rest of the team, there would be no leaks on the scale that TNO gets. People on OWB, KR and most other teams don't leak because they respect the friends they work with. TNO is a team of backstabbers that play clique politics against each other all the time and that's why they get their shit leaked hour 1 all the time. If this place wasn't crawling with bitter current and former devs, none of the leaks would happen.
>>1913908The truth is tno wants to be a geopolitical sim game. Hoi 4 is a war game.This does not fit together.Therefore tno devs instead of moving to vic 3 decided to change hoi 4 to something else.This is a retarded decision in the long term.
>>1914489TNO would work way worse on Vic 3.
>>1914489And they all deserve long battles with cancer because of it.
>>1914492The only worse thing is the lack of proper war mechanics. Everything else would fit better for tno, if the modders design stuff properly.Like which is easier turning a war game into a geopolitical sim. Or turning a victorian geopolitical sim to a cold war one. The latter already has most of the basic mechanics set up unlike the former.
>>1914496I disagree, I don't see how most of the mechanics TNO has would work within Vic 3's framework. Either way it doesn't matter, the devs aren't gonna port the mod after all these years even if they wanted to.
>>1914496>>1914499It's not about whether it works or not. Panzer moved TNO from Vicky2 to HOI4 because it was easier to mod the map at the time. Utterly irrelevant to this discussion, however, as the nu-devs only care about getting attention. Actual playability obviously doesn't matter.
Why aren't more new flowcharts being posted?
>>1914594I'd post some old ones but they've unironically been reworked multiple times since I left lmao. That's the thing, most of what TNO puts out is total shit and the few interesting ones will just be reworked.
>>1914594any country in specific?
>>1914596If you could post them I'd be glad!>>1914616Any would do honestly, I'm just curious of the current plans
>>1914629Fuck it I'll dump everything I got.https://gofile.io/d/Z2NBUb
>>1914719>The dictator doing nothing leads to no bitching>The dictator doing literally anything is riddled with minefields, excessive red tape, assurances that it'll be cut, "DID YOU TALK TO EVERYONE ON THIS TEAM A SIXTH TIME?"What did they mean by this?
>>1914787they're very strict with proposals, coordination with other devs and making sure the content doesn't break the lore of other countries/factions is very important
>>1914719>India confirmed to just be democracy man or generic dictatorship, earlier devnigger promising interesting things refuted>Canada is always a middle-of-the-roads democracy, wildest thing that can happen is them going neutral and nothing ever happening>Dem Italy is basically just what we have now, has taken multiple years >Denmark has several dozen leaders and generic routes>More one-state nobodies with 500 routes>Several of the old wacky routes cut from France>Everything interesting cut out of Kaukasien, all generic collabs, wars or anything happening is a fail state, tag will do literally nothing all game 99% of the time>Norway reworked again, now has 500 shades of fascism, an offramp into democracy that does nothing, planned content into the 80s and nothing happening>Turkey getting reworked again?>5000 routes for YemenSpinning in circles and just digging a deeper hole as they do.
>>1914797>democracy man or generic dictatorshipeh not really, lwc/authdevs aren't really that genericplus AH has saghal and the technocratsthat's cooljanata front is also interesting
>>1914790>Germany can't lose in Ukraine, it breaks the lore, make sure it's railroaded otherwise your proposal messes up the tag>Germany can't fully lose to Russia, it breaks the lore, it has to be railroaded otherwise our 50 elaborate fail states and communist coup can't workIt all makes sense now. But yes, coordinating things is what normal teams do. But everything here is worded so explicitly. "Don't do ANYTHING without checking with a hundred people and don't add anything zany." I can only assume that this is why most of the content is completely homogenized, leads to nothing happening and mostly just has some internal events where a leader might change and there's an event about Dyke Niggerling winning an election but that's about it for most of this. The one rule they should do is avoiding creating tons of similar routes and that's the one they don't follow since nearly every single one of these sheets have centrist democracy picks that do just about the same thing and have no practical impact on the game. This has been truly enlightening as to why all their design choices are so terrible these days.
>>1914799Maybe there's more to it in the full proposal but all I can see are run-of-the-mill ideologies and almost nothing leaves me with the impression that anything interesting can or will happen. The things you say are interesting mostly just seem to happen at the end too so we'll never see them do anything worthwhile either. India is the best thing they're working on right now and most if it seems dull except for maybe one or two things in Azad Hind.
>>1914719>Norway-Britain warOh shit lads it's time to make Jorvik Scandinavian ag->It's just a check to see if you get a bad nat spirit or not>For a tag that's on its fourth rework>Literally just skeletons in Lamounier's closetlmao
>big bloody war for national unification featuring a clash between the 3 superpowers for the first time>nothing ever happens???
>>1914822Muh narrative muh lore.
>>1914719>easter eggs ae bad because... they just are okaY!?!?
>>1914821sir but that'd mean ww3!
>>1914826I'm sorry, milord, I'll make sure that nothing ever happens instead.
>>1913808Too bad new content is despised not only on 4chan>>1914295>Can't sustain such an offensiveDamn, of only hoi4 had mechanics concerning that or something>Do during the 80sYeah, guys, imagine how boring playing Hyperborea would be. Thank you corn for thinking about all the unifiers, there is literally nothing they could do other than proxy wars in eastern Europe>What's the point of giving people something they already playedIdk, why did you spend 3 fucking years integrating ODF>>1914139>Ethnic partisans conditionally aligned to RussiaEthnic partisans conditionally aligned to Russia>Ethnic partisans conditionally aligned to RussiaEthnic partisans conditionally aligned to Russia>Ethnic partisans conditionally aligned to RussiaEthnic partisans conditionally aligned to RussiaAhahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahaWhoever came up with that shit deserves to be beaten with a lead pipe. Realism my ass
>>1914829>Whoever came up with that shit deserves to be beaten with a lead pipeI present to you, the culprit. Lamounier was also heavily involved in it but I didn't save the screenshots from that Reddit post of him being even more anti-happening than Corn.
>>1914832>not the only reasonso it is realism after all
>>1914829>3 fucking years integrating ODF2 years actually.
>germany has a communist revolution but nothing changes>stays a superpowerNAZBOL GANG
>>1914832>German army is betterInferior armies never won?>German nuclear arsenalSo does russia, and nukes are easy to make>Prying awaySo force of arms doesn't work but giving fiercely independent lithuanians old mosins will?>Conquering in one fell swoop is unrealisticThe logical consequence from that is Russia preparing for round 3/4, not playing some gay little proxy war game>What is russia gonna do the remaining 4 yearsRebuilding the country, dealing with succession and other political affairs, constructing their own sphere of influence in other countries>More gameplayClicking a button that gives you -5pp and $1 million every week to build a school in Georgia isn't gameplay. Even if you add a GUI
>>1914832Genuinely, what's wrong with this post? It all makes sense to me.
what's the point of a cold war if it goes hot?
>>1914851It's retarded, and so are you if you aren't able topoint out why nor, at the very l least, read the thread>>1914857Play cwic than
>>1914859>Play cwic thansadly cwic is not as detailed and narrative oriented as tno so it doesn't do it for mei wish it was tho
>>1914861>Narratively orientedYou narrative is retarded and has zero stakes
>>1914866i still like its depth even if it's a bit out there at some points
>>1914867>Drocheslav Hervinskovich is sad because he wants to suck cocks but Khruschev won't let him. This is like Putin's America and Trump's RussiaHere is your narrative
>>1914868what are you even talking about?
>>1914869You know full well what I'm doing talking about
>>1914871no I don'twho the fuck is drocheslav hervisnkovich
>>1914867>>1914869>>1914872nyart but that anon is basically calling you a retard and says that the fart-huffing garbage the TNO team puts out is retarded, I'm assuming it's a jab at all the random events where fags are crying because evil conservatives won't let them hold pride parades in Nixon's whtie supremacist America.
>>1914879i will never understand people who play games they don't like just to get mad
>>1914880We don't any more, that's the problem. We wish the devniggers hadn't ruined the mod for us.
>>1914884why not just move on? what's the point of this thread if no one plays anymore?
>>1914886>What's the pointLaughing at the devniggers, leaking their shit, laughing at them even more. Their drama, in-fighting and failures are far more interesting than anything they made since they hijacked the mod.
>russia CANNOT move enough supplies and materiel to sustain an offensive>btw here's enough guns for the baltics to break away from germany :)I hate these people. The internal logic doesn't make sense.
>>1914888>Their drama, in-fighting and failures are far more interesting than anything they made since they hijacked the mod.It's as interesting as watching paint dry and you need to move on anon
>>1914897>Please stop laughing at my retarded friends they're actually really boring so please stop :(No.
Hello, hypercasual hereI have only played dengist speer and maybe half of guangdong content for this mod but it is interesting. Can anyone explain the discord/developer drama that happened?
>>1914909There's hasn't been any real drama since 2021. Most people here are pissed at the mod because it's removing and reworking most of the "funny" things of the mod.
>>1914909tl;dr>Mod had a collapse in 2020>Revived, taken in a new direction, released AM, Guangdong and TT into 2022>Between 2021-3, a group the thread broadly calls the realism clique started to take over the levers of power and began to rework everything>Gradually, the reworks expanded, consuming and erasing all old content and leading to multiple, sometimes double digit reworks of reworks as the goal posts for "realism" shifted>In 2024 after taking over every position of power in the mod, a final set of purges and reworks of reworks get launched>Mod hasn't had a single update of note since 2022 and even their recently leaked internal communications reveal that all major reworks are in a total quagmireThis old meme by the thread's baker is unironically a pretty decent summary of the thread consensus on how events went down. As for the Discord, it's not really a drama as much as it's an overmoderated echo chamber. Dime a dozen.>>1914911>There hasn't been any real drama>Tons of purges and people being fired>More leaks than any other mod in the history of the community>Deep community schism>Tons of their Reddit threads like the recent communique get locked down due to backlashSure buddy, the nu-devs are running a tight ship there.
>>1914916>Tons of purges and people being firedanything concrete? who was fired? how big were the purges?>More leaks than any other mod in the history of the communitynot really a sign of drama>Deep community schismeh I buy it but that's more bc of the changes than bc of any drama within the team>Tons of their Reddit threads like the recent communique get locked down due to backlashsame as above
>>1914918>Move along people nothing to see hereFuck off with your damage control.
>>1914916I find this meme funny because it's supposed to be a bad thing but that's literally what TNO fans want. Less war, less memes, more mechanics, more narrative.
>>1914920TNO fans are a hivemind now?
>>1914920Please be less obvious with your bait.
>Who needs wars when you can have Fiji skeletons
>>1914921>>1914922It's the truth, you can't be called a TNO fan if you don't like the fact that TNO is improving or don't even play it. Simple as.
Yeah, we're lapsed fans because you and your friends ruined the mod, please 41% yourself.
>>1914928Yeah you got it. Now go back to your redux. Oh wait, you aren't even able to make one without it imploding. LMAO
Your mod is dead, you're advertising a Fiji skeleton and a years old Antarctica demo as features and we'll keep laughing at you and your devnigger friends.
>>1914935Meanwhile you've released absolutely nothing LMAO
>>1914916I see. Very good explanation thanks anon. I had a bit of an idea that things might not be running smoothly when ukraine apparently had an update, which likely came about due to devs being emotional about the war or somethingAlso lol about realism in a total axis victory mod
>>1914907How about picking actually good mods to obsess over you delusional faggot?
>>1914936I don't have to. There are other mods out there and we're literally just here to laugh at you and your friends.>>1914938Your friends are fun to laugh at.
>>1914929The same could be said to you. Why not make a cold war mod of your own instead of voting yourselves into power in an Axis victory cold war mod with an actually interesting premise? Because you are attention seeking narcissists.Without TNO's brand to coast off, you'd be nothing. You're exactly what Tolkien described when he said evil cannot create, only corrupt and destroy.
>>1914937the devs don't actually care about realism
>>1914940LMAO most of the leads are devs that have been there since releaseit's their modyou're just coping
>>1914943>Mango being a grunt is the same thing as him and all his friends being leads and deleting all old content made by their predecessors
>>1914941They use it as a cudgel to remove or rework content they don't like (anything made before they took over)>>1914943Mango was literally who when Panzer was around. So were lamounier, frost and the rest.
>>1914939>Your friends are fun to laugh at.Maybe two years ago they were, now it's just baffling how dull someone has to be to get attached to the whole load of nothing you're getting from doki.
>>1914946And? they're still ogswho else you wanted to take over the mod?
>>1914947>noooo please stop laughing at usNo.>>1914946Frost was brought on with the Britain rework integration, minor nitpick.
>>1914949Grow up.
>>1914952You're the one crawling out of your Devcord echo chamber to beg people to stop laughing at you.
>>1914948People who think surgically excising any form of *happening* from the mod is a bad idea. People who see that it's bizarre to give Germany and America plot armour, then to roll back almost all of Japan's Pacific gains.People who don't think America is literally a white supreEEEEmist nation and that Nixon was literally a fascist who would have established a permanent presidency if he won in Vietnam, but NOBODY ELSE should do things they didn't do IRL.I could go on.
>>1914956can you name devs like that? or are you just making them up to fulfill a fantasy?
>>1914957Pacifica.
>>1914953>Everyone who says I am retarded is le devAre you that balding Brazilian faggot from few months ago?
>>1914963lmao
>>1914957That's literally all the leads you fucking mong.>thinks America is a White Supremacist nation, thinks Nixon was a fascistMango>Germany plot armourLamounier>America plot armourMango, again. America loses WW2 but there are no long term ramifications from that and we can jump straight into OTL Civil Rights. I admit pre-Mango America was bad in this regard but at least it had the NPP as a reaction to the failures of the two party system.>surgically excising happeningsAll the leads except maybe the Latin American ones?>rolling back Japan's gainsWhoever thought giving Hawaii back to America and making Fiji and a bunch of other Pacific islands OFN puppet states was a good idea>people would NEVER do things they didn't do OTLAll of the leads but Corn especially.Uhm ackshually Wikipedia says that Serov wasn't a NazBol and that Zhdanov wasn't a technocratic space communist so you get generic Brezhnevite geriatric partocracy but 1000% worse.Oh, you're asking if I can name devs that don't believe those things? Whoever was developing shit under Panzer and Pacifica.The Guangdong guys, if they're even still part of the mod. I wouldn't blame them for leaving.
>>1914966Reading comprehension, you illiterate moron.
>>1914968Stop being a condescending little bitch. Oh wait, you can't, cause you're either a nudev or one of their sycophants.
>>1914969You can't even read a single post, you think you can lecture someone?
>devnigger loses all arguments >starts deflecting and changing subjects again Every single time. And he keeps wondering why we laugh at them.
>>1914971I did read the post. I don't keep up with the names of every single grunt dev that wasn't a part of this retarded "current standards realism" clique back in the day since I refuse to touch Discord.
>>1914972lmao says the guy who constantly loses arguments ITTKWAB>>1914973then your opinion is worth nothing
>>1914972No arguments from me Pedro, I just kept calling you retarded over and over and you keep proving me right.
>>1914975>>1914976Last (you) since you're obviously trying to be as obnoxious as that Robbie nigger who kept attacking every single Paradox related thread for months on end.
>>1914978I accept your concession
>>1914968>"can you name devs?">names devs
>>1914981Heads I win, tails you lose.
>>1914981"Like that" anon, "like that". Read carefully the post I replied to. I know it's hard but please just make an effort.
>>1914909... As you can see, there's also a lot of drama involving their jannies coming here to do damage control every time something leaks.
1914985I know I said I wouldn't do this but >Oh, you're asking if I can name devs that don't believe those things?
>>1914985he also then listed those though
The Denmark skeleton has 40+ possible leaders/variations
>>1914995it's just the same dudes though
>>1914996And they all do nothing.
>>1914995This one's funny.
>>1915000>Banning abortion leads to literal nazismWhat did Daffy mean by this?
>>1914719Kaukasien is a pure kino, too bad it will never be released.
>>1915026It's coming with the germany rework alongside most of the pakt stuff in the zip.
>>1915096Yep, too bad it'll never be released.
>>1915110Honestly at this point it's the only rework that has a chance to release within the next couple years
>open TNO for the first time in yearswhats the point of putting countries on the select screen when they have no contentalso, which country has the most fun content right now
>>1915118>whats the point of putting countries on the select screen when they have no contentIt's a cope.>also, which country has the most fun content right nowSame as when you last booted it up, the mod's just been walking in circles for two years.
>>1915118you're meant to read the tooltip to learn a bit about what kind of content to expectanyway most fun as of now are the 3 supers (Germany, USA, Japan), Guangdong, Iberia (kinda dated), Brazil, Ukraine, Mexico and Britain. The last four have around 2-3 years of content but they're high quality.
>>1915124to expect when they come out*
>>1915124>Read the tooltips to learn about this shit we'll never put out!>Please our Mexico and Britain demos in the meantime! Their content lasts as long as you've been away from the mod! Mexico has no gameplay and Britain is already being reworked!>Enjoy, sucker!
>>1915127why are you so hostile, I only answered his question
>>1915124thanks, does the US still have the "problematic" candidates?
>>1915139wdym problematic? wallace is still there and you can still do universal segregation, as well as yockeyhall is still in but he was tweaked to not do a lavender scare and focus more on anti-cia stuffschlafly was added as a new 72 candidate for the npp far rightshe's a paleocon who wants to put women back where they belong
Hey guys, I want to make an USA run where I try to expand the country's influence as much as possible and try to sabotage Japanese and German plans where I can.Last I time I tried this I basically went with the democrats and focused on foreign policy, military, espionage and etc. wherever possible. I don't know if this is the best path for that or if I can do stuff like make sure Nixon remains president and doesn't get impeached, can someone roughly tell me what steps I should pursue to try to make as much of the world as possible my bitch while shafting Germany and the Japs wherever possible - basically be as much of a turbo version of real world Cold War USA?
>>1915139All the funny people aren't being removed/gutted until the rework.>>1915130I'm hostile towards the devs.
>>1915142https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-2wmS6wKzMcElNLGU9Ck3LC8DO9uSk1ySFy0ydttonE/edit?tab=t.0
>>1915145Niiiice, thanks bro.
How would you improve TNO Russia
>>1915365Draft Corn and have him die in a fucking ditch so that all reworks die with him.
We call this trick "the realismo"
>>1915384Is this a new flowchart leek?
>>1915435>>1914719All their shit leaked today.
>>1915440Oh damn the thread moved so fast that I missed it
>>1915365>Bring back Purple, Taboritsky becomes a secret path acquired through an event chain>Shorten the Regional focus trees enough (focus day wise) to take a year off, compensate the Superregional wars accordingly>Commit to Serov being a NatSoc maybe take the Ernst Niekisch pill and turn him AuthSoc.>Find a Falangist to "align" with Italy for Komi>Scrap Zhukov, go all in on Tukhachevsky with the WRRF>Make Oktan Despotist, find an actual Fascist to replace him>Make Bunyachenko AuthDem>Aryan Brotherhood becomes slightly less of a larp, Hyperborea gets le ACK>Shamelessly rip off TWR and put Vasily in Tyumen as a countercoup against Khrushchev if he goes too reformist>Make it so he and Svetlana can peacefully unify>Matkovsky stays Fascist, is actually in the CPS sphere instead of Rodzaevsky>Petlin is Despotist and aligned to the OFN>The USA and Japan can meddle for their preferred candidate>Rodzaevsky is the "Manchurian Canidate", mostly done to show that Japan can't tard wrangle the sphere (completely)>Also sets up Manchuriawank>make it so every unifier has an event where they shit talk their regional and superrefional counterparts>I vote that Corn be sentenced to this until he makes 3 events for each possible combination.
>>1914719>France removes all mentions of anything related to nu-Burgundy>All right of mainstream natsoc content goneI fucking knew that France dev would cave. Sad to see.By the way does anyone have the Charlemagne (nu-Burgundy) proposal or anything on the old Indian content? Or the old Chile civil war? I want to reread them.
>>1915508>We should delete these routes>Oh let's rework these from scratch>This classic? Yeah it's goneSome of these ideas are OK but others come off like you just want a different version of Cornunism.
>nazi victory scenario>nothing happensinteresting
>>1915558There was none of mainstream natsoc content in the first place. As for natsoc in general Sidos is right here.
>>1915580Yes, and there's nothing to the right of him, they scrapped a lot of the really interesting content from both the current France and nu-Burgundy. Originally, the lie they told us was that they'd simply keep all of that under a new roof. In the end, it turned out to just be another huge lie like "we'll never delete Burgundy teehee".
>>1915583>lie they told usthey never directly told us everything, that was a plan that leaked
>>1915580To the right of natsoc? If you want a wacky esoteric schizo path - go play TNO's Russia or Kaiserredux. And really you should cope with Burgundy's departure already. I personally didnt like that part and happy its gone.
>>1915592>Well technically...Cope. Still sucks that they destroyed the old tag.
>>1915597>I for one love all the content we're losing only to be replaced with literally nothing am I right fellow organic fansywnbaw
>>1915600>burgundy>contentlol have you even played it? also we're getting fuhrer himmler instead, I think that's a great deal
>>1915603Stop changing subjects you disingenuous cunt. This is about Charlemagne and all associated content being cut and France dev caving to the Reich fags.>We're getting an actual Himmler route Not in our lifetime we ain't. They said in their last round table that Bormann and Speer are nowhere near done. You're mentally ill if you believe they'll release Himmler this decade.
>>1915608>contentit never made it past the proposal stage
>>1915600>i like to eat shit its better than nothing
>>1915609Don't care. Looked better than the nothing ever happening we're getting and it sucks that we once again have even less to look forward to.>>1915610Thanks for admitting that you're offering absolutely nothing to the community.
You want Burgundy gone because you hate its content and loreI want Burgundy gone because it gives Germany peak bordersWe are not the same
>>1915613Wdym nothing? I am against the Burgundy removal just like you, because it makes nazis reasonable and not cartoonishly evil. Trans rights and glory to Russia btw.
t b h this mod should have been done on vic 3. Im looking through all the complaints here and its just theres nothing happening, no real gameplay. Which is fair since hoi 4 was never designed for peacetime gameplay. Anything that tries to make peacetime gameplay for it is just adding a bandage.Vic 3 would be better for peace time gameplay.
>>1915669it'd run like shit though
>>1915672for people with lower end computers, yesfor people with mid to high range computers, no
>>1915669making their own game would have paid off better
>>1915669What would TNO be without focus trees?
>>1915706>making their own game would have paid off betteridk about that. The last time paradox modders did something like that it went the magnus mundi and east vs west directionBoth got canned
>>1915669It's important to remember that this is a new development. There used to be things happening but the current leads are simply deleting all of it. Instead of reworking an entire mod with an existing fanbase from scratch, they should've made their own thing instead. Also please ignore the TNO tranny-janny that'll inevitably reply to this post to tell you that the mod founded on Russian unification wars, GCW and the SAW actually has nothing to do with wars, despite still claiming to want to build up to the 2WRW.>>1915672It already runs like shit since the mod's riddled with pointless mini games and micro states meant to make up for the fact that they've ripped out all conventional HOI4 gameplay. Switching to Vicky would improve things since these features are accounted for in vanilla rather than needing a hundred bolted on workarounds.
>>1915748It runs fine on my machine and it's not precisely a nasa computer.
>>1915748>Switching to Vicky would improve things since these features are accounted for in vanillaWhat features? The economic system? It doesn't even work the same way.
>turns out there is a separate 2wrw submod called ileration thunderstormWtf why did no one tell.me about it. A bit too latpy for my taste, but way better than whatever main team is cooking
>>1915753Chinks dabbing on the TNO devs yet again.
>>1915753It's not up to date sadly
>>1915752hoi4 base mechanics:-build civilian factory-build military factory-barebones population mechanics (population growth)-barebones internal gov mechanics (mostly political power)victoria 3-fully developed economic system with supply and demand, dynamic prices, trade routes, building management and etc-population mechanics that include culture, religion, consumer demand, standard of living, literacy, classes, work place qualification and etc-internal gov mechanics that include different class factions, interest groups, and the conflicts between them which influences how laws get passed.The latter provides a far better basis for tno than the former does.
hmm
You guys are already aware a Vic 3 TNO exists and it's shit, right?
>a vic 3 port that has a far smaller dev team than hoi4 tno and only started development last year is shithmm
>>1915901it's made by retards doe
>>1915924this
>>1915603Yes I did, and it was interesting because you had an unconventional state to run and a goal to achieve, not to mention the grimdark lore. And you could actually play hoi4 while doing all that. Lightyears better than whatever snorefest in whatever irrelevant latin american minor country trannies are putting out now
>>1915946>And you could actually play hoi4 while doing all that.???Apart from the scripted france invasion at the start of the game and a civil war at the end, what wars does Burgundy have?
>>1915949People who want Burgundy to stay are generally the ones who liked the Globalplans as well. Being a shadow agent affecting the rest of the world was a cool concept, even if unrealistic. Assassinating the Egyptian King, an attempt on the Führer himself, assisting the HMMLR in Britain, Communists in Basque all to start WW3 was a fun concept in 2020. Too bad that's all gone though.
>>1915954All that shit did literally nothing. Nothing about that caused WW3.
>>1915954That's not regular hoi4 gameplay though.
>>1915946>>1915954The original anon was talking about nu-Burgundy though. That tag was first meant to be SS Charlemagne that would invade France late game and impose Ultra Nazism. When it was removed, all leaders and routes were supposed to go to the reworked French. The recent leak proves that all of this got deleted too.Does anyone have the old proposal for this btw?
>>1915997>all leaders and routes were supposed to go to the reworked Frenchthat was never the casethe old doc was leaked and they were not there
>>1915999Because the move happened later after the dev was pressured, which was after the original proposal for France which assumed that Charlemagne still existed. He then made a flowchart with Augier and all the other schizos from Charlemagne added as routes to France's late game. This latest leak proves that he was made to remove those too and abandon any plans to keep the "wacky" content from the original Charlemagne plans. It sounds convoluted because TNO development is a total clusterfuck and this is why you never get updates.
>>1916006proof?
>>1916007The chart was posted earlier in the year. It's probably like one of the many old plans for Moskowien though. One phase through a dozen reworks that's all long since gone. I just wanted to read the original Charlemagne proposal since it had several SS routes and I wanted to know what they were planned to be before their subsequent double deletion.
>>1916013that doesn't prove most of what you saidwhere's the proof for>the dev was pressured>there was a proposal>there was a flowchart with all the other schizosthe flowchart you mentioned only has augier, not the charlemagne guys like de la maziereI think you're very confused
>>1916016OK so only Augier was deleted this time around. Let's assume that's correct because I don't care enough to argue with you about the finer nuances of France's dozenth rework which happened entirely because the dev realized that he shouldn't have any fun routes and that no foul played happened. I still want to read the nu-Burgundy proposal from back when the tag was meant to be reworked instead of simply being annexed into Germany.
I don't understand this whole "troons stole our TNO" mindset. We already have og TNO? It's not like it was left unfinished or anything, there's content for every nation that matters (*good* content I should add, which is actually fun to play), why not just play it and disregard than nuTNO even exist? Why are you even tasting the shit just to make sure it's shit when a perfectly normal functional version exists? Like in the same way how star wars fans just recognize the existence of disney starwars
>>1916031You answered your question with your own example. Lots of people gave Episode 7 a chance but by 9 they'd long since checked out and simply like to dunk on Disney for ruining a series that they liked. A lot of us are the same. We gave nu-TNO a chance back in the day but after years of endless reworks and deletions most of us have moved on and mostly just dunk on the devs for their drama and failures. There are other mods to play but no train wreck is as spectacular as the TNO one. Thing is, you don't play train wrecks. You just can't look away from them.
Give it to me straight, /vst/.Is there any hope left after So Far From Good?
>>1916031>troons stole our TNOThe funniest thing is they didn't. Pacifica's content was fucking awesome.No, the people who stole our content were radlibs.
>>1916218Only in the Bormann-Speer rework. If that flops then it's truly over.
>First of all, Happy Leakmas everyone! The team of Fading Order is excited to announce the starting situation of the former five provinces of the Central American Federation by 1980. As the rise of fascism in South America becomes a greater threat to the free world, the United States and its allies in an attempt to reassert the Monroe Doctrine try to impose its iron fist to prevent further chaos in a region which has historically been affected by constant political instability, military coups and even war. The final result has been a bizarre soup ranging from democracies to autocracies loyal to Washington D.C, Mexico City and Madrid. Whether this experiment in which the region of Central America has turned can find a little bit of stability or fall into a greater abyss is yet to be seen.
>>1915614grobgermanivm blobs are uglyi only want germany with ethnic line borders
What happened to the French Clique? Why does no one talk about them anymore?
>>1915571>Fascists portrayed by radlibs are caricatures and should be facelifted>This is CornunismOkey
>>1916222Boring.
>>1916222I do wish Big Weld gets the first word in that teaser for sullying my eyes with irrelevant nonsense in this thread repeatedly
>>1916222>Big Weld does something that isn't an irrelevant pissant island with milquetoast ideologies where nothing ever happens >It's irrelevant pissant countries with milquetoast ideologies where nothing ever happensWhat did we do to deserve this?
>>1916261>>1916265>>1916274Another one, just for you.>What does it mean to lose everything you hold dear? For the Coordinación para la Liberación del Caribe, it means failure. Failure against the invading liberals, and godless communists, failure against subversion—from above and below—and failure against forces who sought nothing more than the end of the tranquil peace that had been laid across the Caribbean. While those forces may have succeeded in Puerto Plata, a defeat that still haunts the men of the CLC like a ghost, they still yearn for a time before this terrible humiliation, for a time before the Caribbean Legion and the now all-encompassing degeneracy brought about by its master, the ever-meddling United States. >To the men of the CLC, only one thing is certain: they will return. There will be no respite; there will be no pause; there will be no forgiveness. With the might of the Old World behind these terrorizers of the New, there will be only revenge.
>>1916276It's still a fucking pissant shithole country for fucks sake no one cares about your inverted Caribbean Legion or whatever this is meant to be.
>>1916276Can they conquer the entirety of the Caribbeans or do they just revolt and then get put down by the USA.
Reddit is waking uphttps://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1hhq5j4/germany_civil_war_is_wacky/
>>1916295
>>1916313That doesn't answer my question.
>>1916313STOP SHILLING YOUR MOD HERE WELD YOU'RE ALMOST AS BAD AS CALPH AND THE DV NIGGERS
>>1916318That's the closest message about the topic that I could find.If you're not satisfied you can always join the server and ask him.
>>1916320STOP SHILLING KALTER KRIEG 2
Map of China and its characters in TSS.>Roughly speaking all paths here are derived from 4 factions (KMT, CPC, Dissidents, Collabs) + 4 regions (RGOC, Southwest, Northwest, North China) which will be where the major narrative differences come from along with unique flavors
>>1916339Wait is this The Setting Sun that planned update from the last decade? Isn't it as totally dead as the Italy update?
>>1916343Both aren't dead yet.
>>1916344Yeah OK sure they're just on their thousandth reworks and are totally releasing in my lifetime.
>>1916345I mean, there's been progress, however slow, so they're technically still alive. Now, will they die in the future, probably.
>>1916346All just refer to what this anon said, I couldn't have said it better myself: >>1909193I don't think it's as bad as what we see in Europe or America since those places are rampantly dysfunctional and rife with politics and backstabbing. Rather it seems like a neglected side project being doomed to die. It's especially bad since their ideas at least seem interesting. They put out Guangdong after all.
>>1916321are you okay man? we can all tell you're the same mentally ill faggot that monitors this thread daily by how you sperg out
>>1916295yeah apparently they're able to conquer/overthrow the entire caribbean and most central american states.
>>1916395>projecting
>>1916397retard, you're the only one that uses all caps in this entire thread.
>>1916399You will never be a woman and nothing ever happens in the mod you shill for.
>>1916402not even shilling, just don't understand why you're always acting like a crybaby in this entire thread.
>>1916405>I'm not shilling>I'm just really protective of my friend Big Weld and TFO coming soon to SteamOK tranny.
>>1916407> troon troon troon troonis that all you have you fucking lifeless sperg? say something that isn't you projecting your weird fucking fetish
>>1916408Cope and seethe.
>>1916411may want to scroll up a bit. do you actually have a trans fetish?
>>1916412Nah, I ain't you.
>>1916415deflection. it's okay, we can accept you for who you are, but being a whiny bitch isn't.
>>1916418>Stop criticizing my friend's modNo.
for the last 2 weeks or so the same 2 people keep having the same exact fucking argument, get a room already
>>1916428I just think it's funny that the dev shill keeps replying, it's a distraction from looking at actual office spreadsheets desu lmao. I'll stop baiting him if it's annoying to the actual people that read the thread.
>>1916222Fuck off Weld, no one likes you or your fake mod.
>>1916420> confusing dislike of you always whining with shilling for a mod that's going nowheremany such cases of retardation some of us are here to see leaks and not a mental breakdown
>>1916441Why do you care about TFO leaks? Nothing ever happens in that mod. Join their Discord if you want to swoon over generic libcon single state tags in the third world that much.
>>1916452I don't but troonlover1488 repeating the same shit over and over again in every thread is just annoying.can someone post the kaukasien flowchart so this faggot can go away?
>>1916455>can someone post the kaukasien flowchartThe joke would work better if it hadn't been posted already in this thread and if it wasn't just generic collaborator shit just like Foka's vandalism in Ostland and parts of Moskowien. Truly another L for TNO.
>>1916460yeah okay, idgaf about your opinion/talking points. can someone repost it?
>>1916339This is absolutely massive. Also>Yan Xishan>Deng Xiaoping>Dai Li>Song Qingling>All the other CPC guysBASED BASED BASED BASED
>>1916464
>>1916471you're awesome. thank you
>>1916464>>1914719Why on earth would you request a repost of something that was posted the other day in this exact thread? All of them are here. Download the whole batch instead of asking people to upload individual images from it. You're welcome.
>>1916484Don't want to download it. Simple as.Why on earth do you have to find a way to bitch about everything?
>>1916487Just seemed easier than asking for reuploads I guess, you do you.
What is TFO content going to be again? Like they post 19231e4 teasers of cambodia but what do you actually play. What are the paths and leaders etc
>>19166343 years of Romney for the demo release.Full US content + 5 years of whatever major (Russia, Germany, Japan) gets done first for the first release.
>>1916641... Romney? Seriously? They didn't have anyone less interesting?
>>1916641>>1916642US paths post Romney are Reagan, Rumsfeld, Dole (R) Ted Kennedy and Connally (D)Russia is Zykov's Samara and has 3 possible presidents (the dudes in the teaser)Germany went Bormann, Klopfer is the fuhrer.Japan uhhh is led by a natlib and I guess there'll be elections since it's a democracy.
>>1916641Well, technically is 1 year of Romney and 2 of each of the 4 '80 candidates (Reagan, Rumsfeld, Kennedy, Connally)>>1916644The US stuff is outdated. Dole has been moved to '85.
>>1916644And I suppose each and every one of them is the exact same as their OTL counterparts, correct?
>>1916650Yes. Reagan was a Democrat in the original plans but the Big Weld himself came and said "no no, that's not right, change it" and changed he was back to being the same old Republican we know and love.Also don't you dare like Connally, don't you think he's based. If you do Big Weld will personally come down from his glass tower and remove you for not being realistic enough.
>>1916652Jesus, we want from Yockey and Hall to fucking Connally?
>>1916644>Russia is Zykov's SamaraDid they really choose the most boring leader in West Russia?
>>1916649Also 84 candidates are Dale Bumpers, Lane Kirkland (who will be, in Welds own words, FDR 2.0) for the dems and Bob Dole and HW Bush (holy OTL) for the reps.>>1916657Because, quoting a dev, "samara in general is more realistic to win". I'm not kidding you.
>>1916660>FDR 2.0So he can become a dictator?
>>1916666No you have Connally for that.
>>1916641This isn't accurate. It's 5 years of U.S. content for the demo and apparently Dem Reagan had zero actual design done on him.
>>1916642No, TFO is literally Nothing Ever Happens: The Mod and Big Weld is essentially a Mango surrogate and the mod goes off of Vote Pig (which is funny since they're still denying its existence). Set your expectations accordingly.>>1916657It used to be a straight-up USSR. I think it was Suslov, but I might be misremembering. At some point, they changed it to be the most normal guy in Samara. Whenever people called it boring either here or on Discord, Big Weld would accuse them of not reading the events over and over and over again.>>1916667Jesus Christ these are bad.
>>1916668"We had no design for X." - TNO dev as he deletes years of workSeeing the quotes on Moskowien and how it wasn't "designed" in their dev post about the rework compared to the hundreds of pages leaked earlier has just primed me to read all of these kinds of statements like that.
>>1916671Okay well I'm sorry you're "primed" to read it like that but it's the truth lol. you can ask anyone on the team or the discord
>>1916678It's just an inevitable consequence of being closely associated with a team of compulsive liars like the TNO one. It's sadly going to be an uphill struggle to get rid of that stigma.
>>1916682it doesn't hurt to try ?
>>1916652That got to be satire, right?>>1916657Honestly don't mind a boring starting situation if it can lead to someone interesting. Contrast is goodWhich won't fucking happen. I didn't see the teaser but I guarantee you that when (lol) the mod comes out there would be no one interesting>>1916660Samara is pretty mid unifier, power wise. I'd say wrrf, commiekomi, tyumen and possibly sverdlovsk and novosibirsk are most likely
>>1916703It's the missed opportunity that gets to me. They had so many opportunities and they just picked a comparatively bland democracy with some authoritarian tendencies. They obviously would never pick Hyperborea as the unifier but come on just something more interesting than the dullest guy in Samara.
>>1916711If I was in charge I wouldn't have made the mod I'd tive Russia to Suslov or something. Nothing wrong with a basic starting situation if it leads to interesting pathsEven if they pick Samara lots of interesting stuff they *could* do. Populist unsatisfied with the result of 2wrw ready for round three (four? five?) against germany, former veterans, including former warlord soldiers that were recruited in 2wrw, despite their ideologies, coming back after war, people blaming minorities/communists/capitalists/government for not winning as much as they'd like, growing rift between US and Russia, just general Russian political schizophrenia. Lots of interesting ideas, potential, historical analogies, etc.But they won't do anything interesting. We'd get zykov 2.0, authoritarian that's a poor and thinly veiled Trump/Putin analogy and maybe some liberal democrat.
>>1916703>>1916711>>1916716awful take, pleb take, even
>>1916717Fuck off Big Weld, we don't care what you think.
>>1916719stop strawmanning and face the factszykov is the most underrated unifierplay the game
Corn also devs TFO's Russia, of course it'd be fucking boring.
>>1916720Fuck off Big Weld.
>>1916717Because end result is rather boring. Authoritarian democracy with a leftist bent, how impressiveAnd the implementation WILL suck. Realism clique doesn't have an original thought in their body. Any potential would be squandered
>>1916726>this sucksyou, sir, have no taste
>>1916728Stop posting Big Weld we know it's you you dumb faggot. You always do this. You just pretend that people that disagree with your choices just didn't read your writing and can't even fathom the idea that people might dislike it on perfectly viable grounds.
>>1916730... did you read it?
>>1916733You're beyond parody.
>>1916728>Solidarism (kinda interesting)>Gorbachev but from KONR instead of KPSS (can't think of a better time to do sweeping social reforma than before 2wrw)>Putin analogyRiveting.Meanwhile, actual Russian political opinions
>>1916730every rando must be weld. i am a very intelligent faggot.
>>1916741Why the fuck else would be this insistent on defending his mod by posting Weld's own writing especially when we know that he not only posts here but gets extremely defensive when people call his mod boring?
>>1916747cause you're easily baitable you delusional retard. we're all laughing at you
>>1916749I am laughing at both of you anon but go on keep smelling your own farts
>>1916737Right, none of these retards ever had an inch of political power in Russia.
>>1916749>Posts dev messages frantically defending the mod>"I-It was just... B-Bait..."Go shit out another skeleton for an uninhabited island.>>1916761How the hell can you miss the point of alt history this hard?
>>1916761>Leader of the second largest political party>No influenceGood oneAlso remember that first one pictured actually fought the government, nazbols are running a paramilitary organisation and father of Russian Spring was a monarchists larper
>>1916763jesus christ you're only proving his point you dumbfuck
>>1916769
>>1916770Go back to your 9-5 worthless spreadsheet job tomorrow morning and blow your brains out. Probably the only thing you'll contribute to the world outside of thinking everyone is a dev.
>>1916763>How the hell can you miss the point of alt history this hard?Its a realistic alt history. Want some wacky shit? Play Kaiserredux.>>1916764>Leader of the second largest political partyYou might not understand this, but your bumfuckistan is ruled solely by one person. All your political parties are the token opposition no matter their size.In fact i want to admit i was wrong, because all this shit is already in the mod. There is Serov, who is a nazbol and a shizo monarchist. Aryan Brotherhood could fit in a "liberal fascist" stereotype. Honestly, i dont know what else do you want.
>>1916780Don't worry buddy, no one here will play TFO.
>>1916781holy shit WILL YOU shut the FUCK up about TFO. NO ONE FUCKING CARES ABOUT YOUR GAY ASS HATE OBSESSION OR TNO SEQUEL MODS. EITHER KILL YOURSELF OR TALK ABOUT LEAKS
BAKER OR RANDOM DEV LEAKER, GIVE US SOMETHING NEW SO THESE BRAINLESS REPTITIVE FAGGOTS WILL LOG OFF
>>1916788hmm, I can tell you there was a proposal to cut tabby not long ago and corn shot it down. don't really have much. theres nothing left to leak after the other anon with a massive dick leaked like 30 flowcharts
>>1916781Good. Neither will i.
>>1916771At-least he's getting paid, you're doing it for free
>>1916789infiltrate submods and leak there then.
>>1916789Who was the retard that proposed that.
For me its The Red Order
>>1916882>Not Fascist Italy being the only survivor of the Axis like the USA is with the OFNLame.
>>1916898why would that ever happen? Fascist Italy is the weakest internally of the Axis
>>1916219Pacifica trooned?
>>1916788There's not much else to leak, have some Vote Pig shit fresh from the Mango bakery.
>>1916905Pacifica was one when TNO was in its hayday and is a schizo communist responsible for Tabby. Panzer is the one that trooned out. The current team consists almost entirely of liberal dudes with the only notable exception being Kateryna the tranny-janny and he's only there because he's friends with the radlib clique. That's why anon is saying that it was the radlibs that hijacked and ruined the mod.>>1916908Four years in the making and all Mango has to show for it is a more bloated version of earlier interfaces that will inevitably run about as well as the Madagascar GUI. Looking forward to four more years of dev hell!
>>1916910wtf I love transpeople now
>>1916910Not to mention that overbloated GUI being almost entirely cosmetical. Like look at all those tug of war bars under each portrait, what happens if one gets too far to the left/right? Fucking nothing lmao because nothing ever happens in this mod
>>1916912Terminally online trannies can be fun if their politics are interesting.Panzer is a former neo-Nazi who tried to use TNO as his repentance for being a mean person and Pacifica, as mentioned, is a schizophrenic commie.
>>1916899I mean, TNO had Italy be hyper-competent. I could see them seek a separate peace with the Soviet Union when the war start to look unwinnable for Germany.
>>1916913It also has a shit ton of map modes that show you the exact % of minorities (blacks, natives, japs, russians, etc) in a given state.
>>1916923like this
>>1916913Uhm achuallie it means you get a railroaded fail state where either A) The evil RepubliKKKan can't pass his racist bill and has to resign while everyone claps orB) The good guy Democrat can't pass his nigger appreciation bill, causing the country to collapse over outrage at the lack of a CRAIt's a huge deal. You even get a sobbing world event, a portrait where the president looks sad and a masturbatory leader description. It's content.>>1916923Can't wait to make it all white and post it on their Discord to terrify them.
>>1916925>gee I wonder why TNO never updates
>>1916925Can someone kill Mango already.
>>1916928>Can't wait to make it all white and post it on their Discord to terrify them.That would imply something being able to happen, furthermore that something wouldn't be a step towards Mango's own personal politics of unlimited brown people and whatever else radlibs actually believe, insofar they're capable of believing anything other than what CNN says.
>>1916928Tbf depending on how it's written, leftie tears events can be enjoyable too (although not in the way the dev intended them to be)
>>1916931I'd just mod it lol it looks like something you can change with one edit to the code for each respective state.>>1916934Only hope for the Nixon update is it being funny by accident.
>>1916935Nixon is gonna kill democrats to secure his 4th term.He also creates DOGE, if that wasn't on the nose enough.
>>1916937Holy shit based I can't wait to have tanks roll over liberals and faggots.>dogeIs he legit just adding stuff from the Trump admin to Nixon in real time? kek
Schlafly can also become fascist in one of her endings.She can also fall to a series of coups and impeachments that may or not cause WW3.All this is TNO2 tho.
>>1916780>Ruled solely by one personPlease tell me about my country. Please tell me how government in autocratic countries functions>Realistic alt history*Ahem*>Liberal suicide bombers>Communist elected on a technicality>Nixon the cartoon villain of the week>Germany being fine with Ukranian Civil War and Antarctica invasion despite no GCW>Stalin doing retarded coup mid war>Germany being fine with losing land to rebels but not Russia>Said rebels being "conditionally friendly"Go on, tell me about your """realism""">What else do you wantInteresting paths with measures of contrast instead of Mexico 2.0
>>1916941Why fascist?
>>1916941>All this is TNO2 tho.Ignore that, I'm dumb. America will have content until the 76 elections.So yeah all that if it makes it past the design stage will be on release.>>1916944Conservatives bad, anon.
>>1916941>Cut Yockey for being unrealistic >Make a random Republican activist into a fascist wut>>1916944"Because it's like Donaldolf Drumpfler." - Mango
>>1916945Do the liberal presidents have all these ways of fucking up or do only "bad guys" like Nixon and Schafly deserve to just get dunked on over and over.
>>1916945Like a 14 year old's blog.
>>1916949Only the bad guys. You've seen Adlai's tree. He's a 72 president without bad endings.Schlafly is designed by Quoproquid btw.
>>1916952Yeah, they are really obsessed with her and Nixon.
>>1916945>AnCap America under Rothbard>Multiple de-facto dictatorships>Endless wars (in GUIs only)Only Mango/QPQ could take something like this and guarantee that it's just putrid dogshit with 0% chance of fun.>>1916952Oh wow a deranged radlib activist wrote all of the routes where liberals always win and anyone to the right of FDR always destroys the entire country in a comically evil fashion? What an unexpected turn of events!
This is Nixon's DOGE tree.
>>1916948>Cut Yockey for being unrealistic>Make a random Republican activist into a fascistThey cut Yockster because he made them uncomfortable. A fascist being elected because people were tired of the uniparty failing? That makes Americans, especially liberals extremely uncomfortable. So instead Yockey is culled, and Hall is installed by Congress on a technicality instead of by popular mandate so there's no more uncomfortable implications.
>>1916956>names that sound vaguely JewishLMAOOOO
>>1916957It sucks too because having the far-left/right be elected made way more sense than:>Random evil Republican does the Tiananmen Square Massacre>Communists installed by Congress>Normiecons abolishing the constitutionIt's so fucking dumb lmao. It cannot be stressed enough: these are the fucking people that lecture you about realism.Bet you 500 Monopoly moneys btw that "Obituary" will be about Andrew Jackson and how evil he was, maybe a mention of Jefferson Davis too for extra comedy gold.
>>1916958The implication of course being that Nixon did a heckin antisemitic purge and not "what the fuck why do these people have such a massive influence in the government bureaucracy"
>>1916962It makes me laugh at how much they want to represent Nixon's America as bad as the fucking Third Reich and Japanese empire.
>>1916964I still hold out hope that it'll slip on a banana peel and be comedy gold with the cartoonish villainy but odds are that it'll just be pandering moralizing drivel for QPQ to masturbate over.
>>1916937>>1916941>>1916945>>1916956The people that bitch endlessly about TFR and KX being "unrealistic slop" think THIS is realistic? What the fuck is wrong with them?
>>1916968Unrealistic slop is okay if I like it chud
>>1916956Now that's a path that I'm actually interested in
>>1916943>Please tell me about my countryRight, ill tell you about MY country. You mentioned the size of the party like it meant anything, so i thought you need a clarification on that.>Liberal suicide bombers>Communist elected on a technicalityExplain that, if you will.>Nixon the cartoon villain of the weekNixon is a cartoon villain from the mainstream perspective. I like him for his personal views, but im a far-right.>Germany being fine with Ukranian Civil War and Antarctica invasionGermany will re-invade Ukraine if any side but RK wins. Only moderate collaborators have a chance to reconcile, if germans will get all they want. And they want everything.>despite no GCWThey are stuck with no leadership at the moment, which happens in autoritarian states. Like when Putin shitted himself and fled to Petersburg during Prigozhin's mutiny and none of the government officials did anything to stop the latter.>Stalin doing retarded coup mid warStalin was an arrogant retarded churka who was barely able to speak russian. I can expect something like that from him.>Germany being fine with losing land to rebels but not Russia>Said rebels being "conditionally friendly"None of that is even confirmed. For now, rebel states in Ukraine or Kaukasus will be re-invaded.>Interesting paths with measures of contrast instead of Mexico 2.0Mexico is heavily underdeveloped. More proxies will be added as you can see by flowcharts in this very thread. And even for now, Madrazo and Ordaz are pretty different from one another, dont you think?
I just can't wait for the day TFO releases and you guys realize it's the most fun mod you'll ever play.
Why doesn't the Mexico team just think of a Mexico without the PRI? Are they stupid?
>>1916984You underestimate how entrenched the party was during that time period. Getting rid of it is not that simple.
>>1916985The POD of TNO is in 1922 with Bukharin coming to power instead of Stalin and the PRI was founded in 1929. Surely some events can be changed so they don't come to power?
>>1916987Uhm chud events will change only if I don't like them
>>1916987That's not how it works. The idea is that if the core changes in the timeline wouldn't affect a country, nothing changes until it does affect them. In Mexico's case the changes begin with Mexico's involvement in WW2 and the new post war relationship with Japan.
2WRW doko? I though it was supposed to come out in early 2024.
>>1916984Yes, they are.>>1916985If you can asspull an Axis victory you can have a third world shithole have an ahistorical government. The PRI is there because the devs like OTL stuff, consequences to gameplay be damned.
>>1916993>Things changing when I don't want them to is not how it works
>historical thing that I likeRemains historical>historical thing that I dislikeI change it into alt history that I likeSimple as
>>1916996It's more like if you go wild with the changes it's more likely the higher ups shut down your proposal. They don't like overcomplicating pre-game lore because it's already iffy rn.
>>1917000Then the higher ups are complete faggots.
>>1917000Total bullshit. The rules are that whatever the leads want get added no matter how dreanged it is and the notion that altering the ruling party of Mexico breaks the timeline is drivel.
>>1917003It'd break latam lore in regards with forpol stuff. Then you'd have to convene with other latam TLs and rework the international dynamics in the region. It's not worth the effort.
>>1917005Holy retardation your lead devs need to kill themselves.
>>1917005>Removing GCW only takes some changed loc when convenient like in the OFN invasion of Antarctica >Diverging the tiniest bit from OTL in Mexico collapses all lore and requires a full regional rework No wonder nothing ever releases.
>>1917011One is a major country with bad lore, the other one is a minor with lore that works.
>>1917012No it's a wiki scrape and it sucks shit. Copy pasting Wiki entries like the student massacre makes no sense in this timeline for instance, not that you care obviously.
>>1917013Yeah I don't care, take that to the Mexico guys lol.
>>1917012>lore that works Yeah, definitely.
>>1917014I have actually. They basically told me that their hands were tied by Wikipedia lmao.
>>1917016hilarious, do you have a screenshot?
>>1917019I'm not posting my dms lmao but it was basically that because it's what happened otl they had to. If there really is miles of red tape for everyone except the leads then I guess that makes sense.
There used to be another post TNO mod that was less nothing-ever-happens than TFO. It died quick within months though. https://files.catbox.moe/xhabt0.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/rmrijs.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/5vsj7z.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/x23lws.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/jobmdy.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/vnennr.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/3wstmp.png
>>1917032Sad, at least it seems like it tried to have some fun with the setting.
>>1917032>Red ItalyVGH...
>>1917032Same people behind that are behind TFO
>>1917037Proof that being in contact with the TNO leads really does corrode your brain.
>>1917037No Big Weld if i recall. How one person makes such a huge difference.
>>1917061Don't forget that you also have an influx of TNO leads like Corn, Mango and Kateryna providing "advice". I think that does far more damage. Weld's biggest sin is being boring. Corn on the other hand is just a disaster that breaks entire tags. Like giving Amur less content and breaking all focus trees in the rest of Russia as a result.
>>1917068Yeah you're right. Corn and Foka turned TFO Russia into le boring AuthDem generic Russia. Implemented Yippie America in all but confirmation it is canon. Kate probably added a wiki scrape as TFO's Swedish leader, who cares about Sweden.
>>1917072All I know about Kateryna is that he pushed to make it so that Russia shouldn't be able to take the areas around Viipuri or push too deep into Finland, basically what him and Corn are reworking the Russo-Finnish war into in the main mod. It's hard to say where the TNO lead influences start and end but they mostly seem to suggest that TFO should be more like TNO. Which makes sense but it's also a contributing factor to why TFO's America is very much like Vote Pig, why TFO's Russia resembles a lot of Corn's work and so on. Though to be fair these people are friends so it makes sense that they're on the same wavelength. It's just unfortunate that you have these people reinforcing each others bad habits.
>>1916979>Like it means anythingIt does. Putin doesn't personally make every single decision, there are low-mid level politics where parties actually make an impact>Explain>Liberal suicide bombersRodazevsky has to deal with his antifashist insurgency. It includes suicide bomber aattack on a dam>Communists elected on technicalityRead gus hall purposal. Short and sweet-there is no candidatea leftists like, he gets protest votes, no candidate has the majority. Then the house decides to make him the president as a compromise>Cartoon villain from mainstream perspectiveLmao>Far rightAhahahaha>Germany will reinvadeDoesn't change the fact they are ignoring a full blown civil war in their backyard>No leadershipSo the army just ignores blatant invasion of their on land>Prigozhin analogyYeah, remember how while the march was going on entirely of Russian army abandoned Ukraine, Yakutia started a three aided civil war and afterwards Russia just nuked both>Can see him do it, he was a retarded churka that was barely able to speak RussianDid you forget he outmanoeuvred entire Bolshevik old guard? >None of this is confirmedLiterally corn lord's own words>Heavily under developmentYeah, just finish research and localize>Pretty differentOh, look, autocrat (pro Japan), autocrat (pro US), autocrat (more welfare)No one complains about existence of boring paths, they can be interesting. The problem is when no contrast exista
>>1917196>Rodazevsky has to deal with his antifashist insurgency. It includes suicide bomber aattack on a damStill fail to understand how this is a bad thing. Do you think there'd be no unrest after conquering central siberia?
>>1917200BecauseA) no other unifier has to deal with that shitB) He can't just squish it with force
>>1917205>no other unifier has to deal with that shitBecause he's the only one actively being rewoked, retard.>He can't just squish it with forceHe literally can, it's in the doc. And even then, how would that exactly be a bad thing?
>>1914832In case anyone wonders, some of the pieces of evidence about Russia not being able to gain most of their land back was posted here: >>1914832There's also this post where the conditionally loyal proxies is mentioned:https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1f96g2y/tno_discord_communiqu%C3%A9_ver_2024/>Russia will only be able to reclaim its OTL borders. No Ostland, Ukraine, Georgia or Azerbaijan. However there will be proxies through which Russia can try to influence them.It's funny that the OTL border part turned out to be a complete lie though since Lamounier and Corn couldn't allow Kaukasien to be transferred in a peace deal, according to Corn's wall of text. At this rate by the time this releases in 2029 they'll only get bits of eastern Moskowien at most.>>1917200It gets dabbed on a lot because the event is physically impossible and stupid and the chain of events sound annoying from a gameplay perspective. The broad concept of dealing with an insurgency is fine. Execution, once again, is where it falls apart.>>1917209>Actively reworkedlmao, it's dead in the water and has been for ages.>The paragraph>Tomsk and everyone in Central Siberia sends tanks to roll the commies on the map>Rodz has to click through mini games and shitDidn't know the Humanists were more based than Rodz.
>>1917209Still stupid, Rodazevsky isn't that likely to cause mass resistanceHe can't in the fail state.>Bad thingBecause if he has the tanks he can just tiana whatever square all that shit. No gay minigame required
>>1917215>>1917196Whoops, meant to tag this on the top, not the old post twice lmao. mb
>>1917216>Rodazevsky isn't that likely to cause mass resistanceHe's a literaly nazi flying the swastika, I don't think russians would like him very much.>No gay minigame requiredYou want it to be an event chain instead? To have even less gameplay? Fuck off.
>>1917222nayrt but again: everyone responds to the workers revolt in Central Siberia by rolling in with tanks and killing everyone on the map. What if instead of a gay mini game we fought them on the map? We could even delete Fiji's thousand year skeleton to make room for it, anon. Win-win!
>>1917228That's boring and generic. Rotz deserves better.
>>1917232Yeah OK, instead of an epic revolt we get a broken ass mini game. Except we're actually getting neither because it's never releasing lel.
>>1917237>epicHave you played the game? The worker's revolt is a nothingburger.
>>1917222>Even less gameplayPress button every week to get revolt meter down at cost 15 pp isn't gameplay. Besides, I thought you were claiming tno is realistic. Why are you justifying things that go against realism for sake of gameplay?
>>1917239Yeah but imagine if it wasn't made by a retard and you get what we're going for. Either way I would rather have a short war where I dab on libs than another injection of Mexicoism.
>>1917249>Press button every week to get revolt meter down at cost 15 pp isn't gameplay.It's more engaging than capitulating a revolt in 1 week.>I thought you were claiming tno is realisticNot that anon. I don't care about realism.
nta but no one complained that the guangdong riots were a mech instead of an actual war why is this a problem now
>>1917255Because Guangdong is well-made. No one involved in that are relevant to this discussion any more and the content outlined in the proposal look worse than Guangdong for starters and the context is completely different and can justify a war which rolling over random protestors does not if the revolt gains momentum.
>>1917265how do we know that it's not well made? we've just seen 1 proposal, not even the mechanic itself
>>1917253>More engagingNo it's not>>1917265Honestly riots are probably the weakest part of Guangdong. I'm sphere's second most valuable asset, can I ask the army to cave a few chinese skulls in without burning one of the largest economies in the world to the ground? Event chain is borderline impossible without a guide.Guangdong is universally loved, but it does have a few flaws
>>1917272this guy didn't read the events
>>1917272in the end workers not going to work is the absolute most dangerous thing for a country that needs constant growth to survive. what i dislike most of the riots (despite the fact i sitll really like Guandong) is the fact that wathever you do prior to them dosent seem to matter. in the different paths the different police forces you build seem to work all the same way, it would've been nice to see a change
>>1917274The sheer arrogance of these niggers to always dismiss any form of criticism by assuming that people simply didn't read the events and that its impossible for people to simply dislike them on their own merit keeps being the most retarded cope the TNO apologists put out.
>>1917284honestly this, every time the devnigger goes "you didnt read the event" he is required to post said event to disprove you, if he dosent he's just a devnigger
>>1917284anon, those issues you bring up are already explained in the gamewhy gng can't just ask the army to solve thingsand how to get a good results in the event chainalso gng isn't the second most valuable asset lol, manchuria is much more valuable even if gng surpasses them
>>1917289>Uhm just read le eventsGod you're dense.
What's with the hatred of Mexico in this thread, is one of the devs mexican or what
>>1917292DEEP mental retardation
>>1917292The only update we had this year apart from the upcoming one was one that gave Mexico a demo of four years. And the update before that was another demo.
>>1917292for some reason the mexico update is one of the most hated here despite it being arguably inoffensiveI think it's just a reaction for all the shilling before releaseit's fine if you ask me, like it's not great but I didn't really think it was a waste of time playing it
>>1917296it's still more content and it's not a rework, which is a big plus for me. i personally believe it does too many things wrong
I personally believe that in a mod about fucking nazis in fucking europe mexico shouldn't really be the focus of development, at least not before europe is finished
>>1917299The focus shifts to whatever update is the closest to release. This time it just happened to be Mexico and now ODF.It depends on the productivity of each team.
>>1917299All of Europe was reworked from scratch. Some were reworked a dozen or so times. I think you underestimate how dysfunctional and broken the team is. Mexico's shitty demo just crossed the finish line while everything else started from the top over and over again.
wow give it up for the samefags repeating the same bullshit over and over again about demo content. Can you please KILL YOURSELVES or post more leaks?
>>1917314What the fuck is there to leak? The mod's dead. All they put out are shitty demos and none of the above stuff is ever releasing. Did it never cross your mind that people shit on the endless demos because of the stagnation and failures that they represent?
>>1917318did it ever cross your mind that you're just a rambling fucking loser repeating the SAME THING over and OVER again instead of doing something useful with your life like KILLING yourself?
>>1917322>Literally only screams about people killing themselves for not posting the next worthless nothing ever happens skeleton that'll never release>Whines about others being repetitive
>>1917328nothing here disproves what i said faggot. get a life
>>1917329You can just draw your own skeleton chart for Guam. I'm sure it'll be more interesting than whatever the devniggers are cooking up right now. It'll be about as likely to release too.
Cyprus Flowchart that wasn't included in the megadump previously.
>>1917363Looks cool.
>>1917363>Another worthless fucking tiny island
>>1916657>Samara>Zykov>BoringMay your entire family endure long and painful battles with cancer
More flowcharts.https://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/n2227q.png
>>1917377
>>1917377this isnt a leak, someone left the fucking tap open
>>1917378never releasing.jpg, Canada is frozen and will remain as such for probably a very long time
this may unironically be the biggest leak of all time, devs must be SEETHING
Leaker anons, since you keep showcasing new stuff can I ask for anything Bulgaria related you may have, and to the Argentinian whom ik will read this eventually, when are we watching hk
>>1917378Isn't this outdated?
>>1917378Are there any Canada leaks?
Leak? Leak
>>1917388There's one in the dump earlier.
>>1917377>if there's no red Italy Croatia gets forced into a fascist dictatorshipholy NIGGER game
>>1917389As an Argentinian nationalist I have to note this is missing the south of Peru, the north of Paraguay stolen by the brazucas, and the gaucho republic of Rio Grande do Sul. It is a good start but there is a long way to go.
Vote Pig trees that weren't leaked plus updated version of Nixon'sNixon - https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.pngReuther - https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.pngSchlafly (path tree, not focus) - https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.pngYorty - https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.pngJFK - https://files.catbox.moe/gq306a.png
Lmao I think we're 3 different devs leaking.It's over for TNO.
>>1917378Outdated, Quebec independence is being cut for being "unrealistic" as revealed in a dev chat leak from a few threads ago, sadly.>>1917383I don't think they care since the planned content will just be deleted anyway. Maybe I'm wrong but I really doubt it given how little respect they have for their own work.
>>1917397oh wow we have a lot to talk about now
>>1917396>>1917385Are you the Argentine that the Bulgarian guy summoned earlier?
>>1917403How the fuck is Quebec independence unrealistic when it lost by like 50k votes in OTL. These nu-devs are allergic to content.
>Baker hereThanks for all the leaks! I'll be sure to include all of these in the next bake! You've saved Christmas!>>1917412Based on the earlier chat leak no reason was given. It was simply declared wacky or something to that effect after a friend of a TC joined that team. If there's more to it we've yet to see it.
>>1917397>Nixon doc >Nixon "bribes" states with infrastracture>Nixon has "dirty tricks">Nixon's cia backed revolutions dont work according to the writer of this>Nixon does cancer shit only because people hate cancer as if that's not what all presidents do when they have a chancethere's a limit to everything but the redditness is coming out of the monitor
>>1917407probs not my argentine friend fucking hates the proposed content for Argentina
>>1917407One and only. Me and the bulgarian gypsy are basically 25% of this thread lmfao>>1917426The idea of a bad leader doing good stuff just to get pats in the back actually does kind of work and is funny for Nixon. Imagine he saved an african democracy or something just so CNN would begrudgingly commend him. Obviously that isn't happening and Nixon will be le evil generico but its still a good idea
>>1917432if you think that Nixon played "dirty tricks" during his campaign what do you think Johnson did? i've yet to see the other docs but so far this kreeps of liberalism
>>1917398THESE ALL LEAD TO THE SAME FUCKING OUTCOME.
>>1917412>>1917417basically canada dev was in such a state that they had to start from scratch, make a new proposal, new skeleton, etcthis happened around october this yearnot saying that everything is scrapped, probably most ideas from older stuff will get reused (at least I'd like to think that) but this means that in the meanwhile quebec stuff is on the backburner until canada's design is approved
>>1917439That lines up well with the leaks. Knowing TNO though I bet there was drama and team politics involved there.
>>1917441not really, it was more a case of extremely slow development and lack of a clear idea of what to do with canadadidn't help that the lead, panda, resigned due to irl stufffrom what I know there wasn't really any drama involved
>>1917412>50k The Canadian government did everything in their power to prevent the 1995 vote from passing from disproportionately rejecting large numbers of Yes votes (the officers responsible were acquitted by a Quebecois court so take that with a grain of salt) and violating spending limits on campaigning against the Yes vote, and they could only bring the gap to 50k. The first referendum failed because the PQ couldn't actually guarantee economic cooperation with Canada given there was sizable opposition from the other provinces.It'd be an eyebrow raiser if it was rejected for being "too wacky" considering this is the same Canada that could unironically elect Real Caouette.
>>1917448from what I've seen most of the canada team (and other devs) like the idea of independent quebec, because, well it spices up the world of tnothe issue is lack of comprehensive design on the causes and consequences and the fact that it's not a priority rn
>>1917447I just don't believe it with these people sorry.
>>1917397You know, I think they should switch things around and have Kennedy be the "evil four term American president". It would much more interesting to have the image of Camelot be twisted by a sick man so desperate to hold onto to power that he might even kill off his own family so that he won't have rivals. It would certainly be more interesting than another "Nixon was born evil" take from Mango and his buddies.
>>1917454Kennedy = Jesus (except he likes science and isn't a bigot)Nixon = HITLER HITLER HITLERSorry chuddie, them's the facts and the level of moral complexity I'm willing to operate on.t. Mango
>>1917454A Democrat being portrayed as evil by Mango? We'd sooner get Atlantropa back.
>>1917453understandable lol, just gonna say canada team is pretty chill all things consideredit's in manchuria dev where things get spicy, albert and yugo are always at each other's throats and often other devs have to step in to stop themit's funny because albert isn't even a dev anymore, he's a "consultant"
>>1917459Thanks for understanding.I remember consultants being some of the worst. Another one that used to pick fights all the time was Jor. Something about that role brings out the worst in people.
>>1917459i know a guy who was on Canada team, he also says pretty much this but there was never anything to code because the designers were going nowhere. in the end this is a problem of efficiency not lead dev fuckery
>>1917396stream sniping for when we both see that in the stream
>>1917397Ok hot take, if Vote Pig happens (it won't) it might actually be really fun unlike Lam and Corn's fuckery in Europe
>>1917465they're faggots that feel entitled to boss people around just because they have a lot of knowledge on a given subjectlike that's their entire job, to look at designs and say "this is wrong", "x wouldn't do that", "that wouldn't happen", "change x, y and z"
>>1917469see here's the thing, i agree that it's not that bad because it's clearly a lot of content but everything around it sucks. they're pulling resources out of other possibly new content, they're reworking a country that already works pretty much fine, they're killing Gus yockey and the NPP. the content looks good but it's just not worth it
>>1917471Most of the ones I interacted with back in were dumb as bricks. All they did was lazily skim Wikipedia and oftentimes they'd get basic stuff wrong. No idea why most of them get those jobs in the first place. It reeks of the kind of cushy non-job on a board that leads give to their retard friends.
>>1917478>it reeks of...That's exactly what it is. It's not like power in an online community is a finite resource so it's easy to dish out these positions of authority to oldfags who have long passed their expiration date, even if they just end up meddling with zero responsibilities or accountability attached to their role in the project.
Why couldn't they just join TWR instead of defiling TNO? They'd fit right in there and the twr team would welcome any help they can getBtw baker if you are reading this, please remember that the OP is unrealistic and isn't up to current standards and thus needs to be reworked with latest leaks (not that they'll survive devniggers' weekly scrapping ritual but just for consistency's sake)
>>1917553I'm torn on if I want to make a Christmas focus tree or a Christmas super event for the thread's rework to bring it up to holiday spirit standards. Like I said yesterday I will include all new leaks in the new OP and make sure that the leakers are warmly thanked for saving Christmas. New bake going up after we've been on page 10 for a bit as usual.
BREAKING NEWSMango just announced Romney won't be a 72 candidate anymore (rip TFObros). Instead he's being replaced by this guyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_FongHawaiian businessman. That's right your republican options for 72 are a hawaiian man and a white woman.His policies? Quoting Mango:>American corporatism>Fairly extensive collaboration with business to try and guide deregulation to create actual benefit for the wider populace, ofc given his background, focusing on opportunity>sustaining business for the future and the thing is exploring how it's just boiling the frog slowly
>>1917588>corporatism>deregulationexplain.
>>1917592Honestly idk because he just dropped this bombshell without elaborating much but if I had to guess it means he'll have to do deregulation since he's a rep in the 70s but he'll steer it to minimize its harm. At least that's what I'm getting, might be wrong though.
>>1917588Mango fucking over Big Weld really is the top 10 anime betrayals of all time.>>1917594>Makes huge change>Refuses to elaborate>LeavesClassic TNO lead behavior.
>>1917588>Year three of Vote Pig>It's still being reworked
>>1917603its more likely to release in 3 parts now with only 4 years of content at a time
>>1917605>USA skeleton treeI'd die of laughter
>>1917605Much like how Lamounier and his fellow retard devniggers over in Reich went from>Full Bormann, Speer, Heydrich, Himmler and Goering content + full GCW replacement with a timely released V&J!to>2025 looking great Bormann is almost done... Speer is nowhere near done.. Might release Bormann alone... Without Kampfzeit... Himmler never...Honestly the fact that Rapop even understands that he's an abject failure while Lamounier still thinks he's some kind of genius despite fucking up Germany beyond repair for good is telling.>>1917611Shills would still make excuses for it because they get to read libwank leader descriptions lmao.
The GCW always felt like it did nothing to Germany's military or industrial power. No one can even intervene, not even a country like Poland who's fucked if Germany unite
>>1917627A necessary departure from realism for the sake of gameplay. In twr USA invades and carpet nukes Germany during GCW (which happens within first year) and that pretty much immediately aborts your German playthrough unless you wanted to play the boring as fuck democratic Germany
>>1917636>Departure from realismNo wonder it's being replaced with a GUI mini game. Sure am glad that has no departures from realism like the entire German army standing down while being invaded.
>>1917588does anyone actually like this change?
>>1917655On one hand, Romney was boring as hell. On the other... Why? I guess it's nice that they spotlight someone lesser known but he seems so random and not even that good of a change. I don't really care either way especially since it won't even change anything in practice by the sound of it, trade away one market liberal Republican for another. Only interesting thing that could come out of it would be if TFO had to rework its premise again.
>>1917363what if Greece defends the islands fully?
>>1917655At least 3 devs are openly in favor.
>>1917770Why
>>1917784idk I'm saying this based on the 3 fire reacts to his message and the couple of "goes hard" replies
>>1917785Reacts don't really mean much. Though, can you post the message in case anyone doubts it?
>>1917798>>1917794
>>1917798Did he remove Romney because he was the least bad republican available? Like, Romney may have been incompetent but everything he did was what he thought was right.
>>1917804this is all he said
>>1917798God that fucker has the most annoying writing style ever. How do they even stand each other?
>>1917807>Least bad/kinda wholesome albeit boring >"Didn't fit my narrative"Haha he's still butthurt about the elections and is fucking up his own work because of it.
>>1917807WHAT NARRATIVE? THEY SHOULD ALL BE PERSONAL NARRATIVES, NOT ONE REGARDING AN ENTIRE FUCKING PARTY.
Also feel freee to laugh at this
>>1917813>Blexaslol, lmao.
>>1917813Holy shit he uses rethugliKKKan all the time with zero irony also I bet you there's a 0% chance that "TRD" isn't a product of butthurt and that it's 100% intentional.
>>1917813>TRD>rethuglikkkanI mean is it really a coincidence that the republican color is red and the NSDAP's party flag has a red background?
>>1917385Back in the day Bulgaroslavia was possible. Nu-devs have canned it of course and now the current Bulgaria skeleton is the latest version of events.
>>1917873Map painting? In MY TNO? I bet someone got fired over that blunder.
>>1917813I'm not a mutt but I thought Texas supported the red party? Every interpolitical map of USA I've seen Texas was always red
>>1917918it was a blue state in the 60s
>>1917919Wow such historical accuracy, thanks mango
>1000+ posts>Deluge of leaks from rebelling devs/tno/ we're so fucking back and TNO is so fucking over.
>>1917921Nigga are you a mongoloid
>>1917918This is where you might want to take a page out from TNOdev where you can pretend you are not retarded by at least skimming wikipedia.
>>1917987As if the history of mutt politics is interesting enough to warrant that much effort
Let's keep this Leaksmas going! What will Leaksa Claus bring us next? Surely there must be some more dead-in-the-water skeletons they're working on!>>1917999nayrt but the Democrats used to be The Based Party and their past history is actually interesting. Mango and QPQ are actually doing us all a disservice by leaning in all the way on muh wholsum liberalism with Wallace being one of few outliers (but the wholsum stop him from doing racism phew). Shock of the year, I know. Political biases of card carrying Democrat activists getting in the way of fun content.
>>1917999Right, your home country's politics must be much more interesting.>3rd world nigger dictator №1>3rd world nigger dictator succeds him>nothing ever happens
>>1918006Bonus: both were installed by the CIA.
>>1918006We don't have dictators here in white countriesNot that you'd know of course
Update tomorrow!!!!!!!
Can't wait to see what forced failstate awaits you if you don't pass the realistic and plausible Trans Rights Act of 1966 in the upcoming USA demo alpha skeleton WIP
>>1918038You are not ready for Fiji.
>>1917813holy fucking The Campaign Trailunbelievably shit
>>1918040proletarian revolution that executes all republicans and the bad democratsgermany and japan are so inspired their facist governments just resign and become puppets of the OFNthe first trans racial president is elected in the '70 election
Sure, the devniggers have destroyed Germany and botched that whole rework releasing in our lifetime, America is being re-reworked again and is a parody in total dev hell riddled by political wankery, all wars are being removed along with everything that once was iconic, the entirety of Russia is being reworked. Most devs with a fully functional brain are long since gone, those that remain are leaking everything out of spite and the remaining brainlets can only put out a broken demo every year or so. Some may say that TNO has seen better days, but I say that now that we're getting not only a Fiji skeleton but also a Sikkim skeleton - nay, bone fragment - things are finally turning around. Once the Fiji world conquests start dropping, we'll all be apologizing to the devniggers for ever doubting their genius.
>>1918065Holy end of history, Mango! That sounds great!
>>1918068Ackshually Fiji and Sikkim won't have skeletons, only the starting situation is being added.
>>1918071even better
>>1918037Sorry bro, but brazilians and russians arent white.
>>1918068>the entirety of Russia is being reworkedBtw what are their plans for that? Three commie warlords in the center (all OTL party higher ups and barely any differences apart from portraits), western liberal democracy in the east and a token everything-not-included-above wildcard tag that will never get any content because deviggers are too uncomfortable to write about politics that are not extremist left?
>>1918071Oh boy! You mean I get the narrative perfection AT THE START and have to suffer through ZERO gameplay to get to the good stuff aka the devnigger's perfectly distilled creative vision? I don't know if I'm ready for such greatness, anon.>>1918084A checklist for you.>Sverdlovsk will be a generic military dictatorship under Batov (Yeltsin gone)>Tyumen will be reworked from Scratch just to replace Lazar with Kirov (funny corn man deleted)>AB reworked from scratch, no longer German simps, Hyperborea deleted, rumored SS cosplay LARP (iffy)>Komi facing a creeping rework barrage with Serov being turned into a NatCom and moved to the Urals (replacing Zlatoust), many others are expected to get rewrites and cuts>Russo-Finnish war being reworked to ensure Russia can only get the eastern Karelian seaboard and Murmansk because fuck you>Onega will be shrunk, skeletonized and eventually deleted and replaced with a warlord stealing a character from Vyatka (rework status pending)>Samara being partly reworked/gutted because Oktan is being moved to Moskowien for no reason>Omsk facing the same "edgy" content cuts as Tabby is getting>Novosibirsk planned to be reworked by Corn and Kateryna, zero progress due to everything else being in dev hell, all megacorps deleted, will be a dictatorship>Tomsk reworked from scratch, all salons gone, will be a generic democracy, Gorbachev is being moved here as part of Moskowien being reworked from scratch for the 10th (11th?) time>Amur has been reworked from scratch, it's taken 2 years, zero signs of releasing any time soon>Russia dev mechanic will be removed and replaced>All warlords will be locked to junk credit rating status>Sablin and Yagoda reworks are allegedly being planned still>They want to rework SBA tooThat's all I can remember being posted. Only a few tags like Kemerovo and Magadan haven't been mentioned as getting reworked and I'm inclined to believe that this is only because no one has leaked their plans yet.
>>1918093>Sverdlovsk will be a generic military dictatorship under BatovHow is that different from the current setup?
>>1918094The smile and optimism is gone. No more democratic offramp with Yeltsin and Batov is going to be a shitty glum dictator that doesn't believe in anything. It's nothing but light misery porn. So: reworked from scratch to have less and breaker content with the same setup. It's pretty pointless really. I was never a Sverdlovsk fan so less of the same and shittier is just... Why?
>>1917873>BulgaroslaviaI was robbed baka
>>1918093not to be one to defend corn but a lot of what you're saying is wrong>Sverdlovsk they still keep their soviet larp, the idea is that their path is a soviet union that is more much union than sovietyeltsin is still in sverdlovsk but won't be a path, just a character in an event chain>Tyumen the rework is not just a simple leader change, it completely changes the characters and story and adds new paths (centralist, reformist and chekist)>ABmostly all true, but the 3 paths might be folded into a single dynamic path with different endings since there's not that many differences between the 3 in terms of policies>Komi dem komi will be totally reworked, but he's still not sure what to docorn only has some thoughts about shaffy so fargumilyov will be moved to krasnoyarsk to do eurasianist stuff therecorn wants serov to have a unique subid because he likes the icon>Russo-Finnish warcorn and kat want russia to take the rest in the 2wrw>Onegaall true, except it's getting content>Samarakeeps all 3 paths, the oktan replacement is already in odf and doesn't change much about the path>Tomsksalons still exist but not as the main political powerit's a two party democracy, the parties being:RSDP, coalition of socialists and corporatist reformist progressives led by Roy Medvedev and Andrei Sakharov respectivelyDemocratic Union, a coalition of liberal corporatists and right-wing elitist conservatives led by Alexander Essenin-Volpin and Daniil Kharms respectivelywhile it’s democratic there’s a lot of elitism in politics with the ruling class being pretty out of touch with the masses>Amur it's not a rework from scratch, only superregional is completely reworked>Russia dev mechanic will be removed and replacedalso a few new universal mechanics are being added>All warlords locked to junk credit ratingnot all of themalso they're not locked, they'll just start like that>Sablin, Yagodayep>SBA only superregionalagain not defending, just informing
>>1918093This is so fucking ass
>>1918137>the rework is not just a simple leader change, it completely changes the characters and story and adds new paths (centralist, reformist and chekist)Still feels kinda cuck-ish to remove corn man>mostly all true, but the 3 paths might be folded into a single dynamic path with different endings since there's not that many differences between the 3 in terms of policiesHyperborea being removed is something I won't understand as it was definitely unique even among the insanity of Russia>dem komi will be totally reworked, but he's still not sure what to docorn only has some thoughts about shaffy so fargumilyov will be moved to krasnoyarsk to do eurasianist stuff therecorn wants serov to have a unique subid because he likes the iconNot that disappointed about Komi, since having 12 paths in 1 country does mean that inevitably some paths will get more attention than others, so removing some of the leaders to give life to other places isn't that bad imo>corn and kat want russia to take the rest in the 2wrwWe're never seeing that anyway
>>1918157>Hyperborea being removed is something I won't understand as it was definitely unique even among the insanity of Russiajustification is that yemelyanov didn't really start believing in that stuff until way later
>>1918157>Hyperborea being removed is something I won't understand as it was definitely unique even among the insanity of Russiathe only thing i'd defend is the removal of Hyperborea, it feels very forced and too larpy even for TNO. if they could replace it with something better i wouldnt mind
Are there any plans to return the Divine Mandate of Siberia as a playable state
>>1918174nofather men will get moved to the order of saint george as a playable pathchristian progressivist
>>1918178Alright, so we're never seeing Alexander Men again, good to know
>>1918137>>1918164I don't believe a single thing you say about something getting content or that X is just a matter of loc change because the devniggers lie about that all the time. Also, I hope Foka gets cancer. That stupid cunt is destroying Russia just as badly as Corn.>>1918174None. He's being moved to St. George but if you believe that's ever releasing you're insane.
>>1918186I mean believe what you want lol I'm just saying those are the plans
>>1918187I guess the earlier anon posted the earlier plans.Then you posted the reworked plans of reworks.And maybe in a few threads, someone will dunk on you by posting the reworked plans for the reworked plans for the reworked reworks.
>>1918190not really, most of what I've said are ideas from around 2023 or early this yearthe other anon just got the details wrong or exaggerated in some places
>>1918194What if you're both right and that it's just impossible to keep up with all these endless fucking reworks that these dumb niggers keep shitting out?
>>1918137>corn and kat want russia to take the rest in the 2wrwSo they're only getting back parts of Karelia and we'll never see the rest ever, thanks for clarifying. Great rework.
>>1918164>OTL in a fractured Russia with half of it occupied by nazi Germany
>>1918250That's what they're doing to Serov too.>uhm achualie Wikipedia said that in the Brezhnev era this was relevantFuck off you creatively bankrupt retards.
another mango banger
>>1918289after clicking it
>>1918291>social democratic workers partyso... so hecking wholesome
>>1918289So has Mango figured out yet that you're posting these and is he mad that all his screenshots are leaking?
>>1918257the warlords in Russia should have any ideology or belief even if they didn't have those in real lifehalf their country is taken over by nazis, their loved ones probably dead, they are being terror bombedit would be hard not to get radicalized in that situation
>>1918345maybe not any, it should still be close to what they believed irl but with a twist. if you really want to use any ideology take a literal-who and make him believe the ideology you want, but if he is an actual historical figure it should be close (but not the exact same) to irl. this is not a matter of "realism" but just so that we can have some parallels to the real world
>>1918350I'm pretty sure ayrt didn't mean that it's fine to make Zhukov a Himmlerite or anything retarded like that, all of this is in the context of having Serov be reworked just to make him a different kind of racist commie.
>>1918352ayrt?
>>1918350currently it seems like they just want a slight alt history cold war mod but liberalism triumps everywhere
>>1918354Anon You Replied To.>>1918360Only playable alt hist being kept around is that Russia is dead and even that's something they're actively destroying by making everyone blander.
>>1918360>liberalism triumps everywhereyou can make half the world go fascist what are you on
>>1918364Yes, plot armor Germany can fuck over Russia and cannot lose because they have the canonically best army and underdogs never win. But the American content is libwank from a card carrying Democrat activist. Just look at the past leaks.
>>1918372>But the American content is libwank from a card carrying Democrat activistI know but that's a whole different thing from what you said
>>1918375that was me>>1918372they will have plot armor until they add WW3(?) in a decade
>>1918378they're never making a playable ww3 and you know itit will always be a nuclear holocaust
>>1918378>3WRW>Russia gets to advance into Belarus and Karelia>The moment they enter eastern Ukraine or Kaukasien they get scripted events where they loseShoot me now.
>>1918382Just another west Russian war bro just another war and we'll reach Kiev bro.
>>1918380they will write an epic event about how their missiles don't work because of neglection and corruption and they were only used for posturing.
>>1918388bro I think you're stuck in 2020panzer is not in charge anymore...
>>1918388And then the trans POC american soldiers roll over the demoralized and broken g*rmoid army because evil always loses.
>>1918389I miss Panzer unironically.
>>1918399I genuinely feel bad for ever wishing Panzer and Pacifica gone. We didn't know how good we had it. The only positive is that the nu-devs are universally despised outside of their Devcord hugbox.
Reminder
>>1918421Trust our polls!!! We mass delete comments and ban people on the reddit but trust the polls!!! Yeah and Assad wins (won rolf) elections with 99,8% too
>>1918428why do surveys in the first place if they are gonna rig them anyways?
>>1918431Or ignore them like Weld did for TFO when he asked the community what they wanted out of Guangdong and then told the users to eat shit and did the opposite. It never ends with these people.
Have a laugh, Nixon's characterization doc for writers.https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf
>>1918437How will Mango ever recover from this?
>>1918433me when i have the recollection ability of an amnestic retard
>>1918437I still think Kennedy and Nixon should switch roles in TNO. It doesn't make sense for Nixon to be his 1968 self when he hasn't lost a single presidential election.
>>1918438QuoProQuid. That was 100.00% written by nobody other than QuoProQuid, there is none else that is that level of blasted about Nixon.
>>1918456Meant more because he's the lead and obviously he'd feel bad about literally everything leaking. QPQ usually tries to sound serious too. If it was written by Mango you'd have lots of bad jokes and forced puns just in the first paragraph.
>>1918459literally where do you get that retarded take from
>>1918463What's wrong with it? I'd feel bad if I put time into something and people I trusted leaked it all to 4chan. If it's about the other half I don't know what to tell you. QPQ just comes off as more of a pseudo-intellectual while Mango's an unfunny tryhard at least in their messages I've read.
>1100 repliesIs this the largest TNO thread to date?
>>1918534and the next update is the biggest non update yet
>>1918534It is, last record was in the low to mid 1000s.
>>1918538Devnigger update: microstate skeletons and an old demo./tno/ update: Biggest leaks batch in years and total Mango/QPQ/Rapop death./tno/ and /vst/ puts out more and better content than the devniggers yet again! Ain't even a contest!
>>1918541>In short, the World of TNO is now more fully realised than ever, and we are so excited for you to get your hands on it next week.
>>1918534>>1918540and the entire thread is shitting on the mod lmao
>>1918572What makes it funnier is that our earlier thread was unusually slow because no one gave a shit about the mod and it's only received an uptick in activity because of the overwhelming negativity.
>>1918590I genuinely think TFR stole TNO’s thunder for a short time on here.
>>1918591It really did. TNO can only compete by being an even bigger spectacle by failing miserably.
>>1918590No, its received an uptick in activity because an update is releasing tomorrow.
>>1918600No one gives a shit about the Antarctica demo and fucking Fiji we're here for the Mango leaks.
>>1918608Speak for yourself.Funny that you retards can't decide whether vote pig is slop or something to fangirl over.
>>1918611I have not seen a single person here that had an overall positive opinion of the US rework.
>>1918611Are you fucking retarded? Literally every single comment is about it being shit or outright bewilderment over making all Republicans into cartoon villains and Mango's decision to switch out Romney for some chink for no reason.
>>1918611>Looks forward to the Fiji skeleton >Believes that /tno/ likes Vote Pig like they doComedy gold.
I LOVE YOU CORNPLEASE LORD MANGO RELEASE THE SIKKIM SKELETON MY WIFE IS ABOUT TO COME BACK FROM WORK AND I CANT GET HARD UNLESS THERE PAKISTAN OTL LEADER SKELETONALL HAIL THE REALISM CLIQUE
>>1918611>can't decidewe decided its negative since we first got leaks, we're just here watching this car crash in slow motion
SLAVA UKRAINI !!!!!!!!!!
>>1918612I unironically like Vote Pig. TCTfag btw.
>>1918681>TCTroon Of course you like the bullshit libwank rework made by TCT drama whores that wasted years on trying to turn HOI4 into TCT.
>>1918681listen i like TCT too but fusing the two games will only result in slopness. TNO isnt supposed to be an election simulator
>>1918681Thoughts on George W. Bush?
>>1918698Invading Iraq was a mistake.
>>1918698Invading Iraq was good.
>>1918703As were you to be fair.
>>1918704As were you to be fair.
Hey leaker devs you should push a CTD onto the Git before they start uploading the shitty Fijireich update.
>>1918709I do that and they kick me out of the team instantly.No sir.
>>1918709t.mango
>>1918710They didn't do it to the guy that pushed the Olympic soft lock. Just make it seem like an accident.>>1918711>Mango>Being pro-funHe'd rather vote (R) than do anything of the sort and you know it.
>>1918712>Just make it seem like an accident.>right after someone on 4chan told you to do it you're not a bright one are you
>>1918713OK, hear me out. This is a rather complicated trick, but: You don't put it into the commit that someone on 4chan made you do it.Also if there is a bug that sneaks in before the upload they're now going to be paranoid because their tranny-jannies will report this. Win-win.
>>1918437Couldn't be bothered to read all that trash but I read the important part - that is "C. Bigotry" - and wow never realized he was that basedObviously the rework is never coming but if it somehow does, I bet the events would be amusing
>>1918754>Couldn't be bothered to readaverage tno playerlike pottery
>>1918756My time is valuable
>>1918756>Writes meandering, preachy drivel>No one wants to read it Devniggers and their apologists will somehow never see the connection.
>>1918762how do you know if it's meandering, preachy drivel if you haven't read it?checkmate, illiterates
>>1918763I know what's inside of it just by virtue of knowing where it came from
>>1918764that's sophistryyou have no way to know for sure unless you check
>>1918763If your tone doc starts out with "HE'S A BIG FAT MEANIE RACIST BIGOT BAD PERSON HITLER TRUMPLER HOMOPHOBE RACIST ILLIBERAL EVIL HOMOPHOBE TRANSPHOBE BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD VOTE FOR MY PARTY INSTEAD" and I know that the author is a card-carrying activist of the Democratic Party that has a hateboner for the guy then I don't need to read the whole thing to know that it can safely be ignored without me losing out on anything important.
>>1918776There are bad republicans and bad democrats in this mod. Nixon was in fact racist and an antisemite. Sometimes i cant believe how retarded you guys can be.
>>1918782Who are the bad democrats (not including the Dixiecrats like George Wallace)?
>>1918790Yorty and Connally
>>1918782Legitimately cannot tell if you're strawmanning or just dumb as a fucking brick but since you're shilling for QPQ it might very well be a combination of the two. Bro, the guy that wrote that hates the guy and every single word in the screenshot comes across as if he's typing it while crying from rage over how much he hates the guy. Subsequently, I know what follows will be a waste of time, especially since I know about his politics because of his constant drama and spergouts. It's like not understanding the difference between, for instance, disagreeing with the current President of America, and being a seething #resistance™ radlib.
>>1918795Listen i dont give a fuck about devs and your moronic personal vendetta with them. I have no problems with that exact statement about Nixon, because it is true, simple as.
>>1918782>racist and an antisemiteAnd this somehow makes him bad?
>>1918809Couldn't miss the point harder if you tried. Doesn't matter if it's true. The guy that wrote it is a whiny fag and I don't need to sift through a hundred pages of unrefined seething to understand this.
>>1918825Based.
Really puts it into perspective when you'd rather have actual literal trannies in charge instead
Did they fuck up an update deadline again?
>>1918840No, it's coming around 23:00 US time.
>>1918782Johnson was racist, Reagan exchanged racist jokes with Nixon, Kennedy had also weird and bigoted beliefs and so on. the only difference is that Nixon's dialogues got leaked while other presidents got out clean. point being that in IRL Nixon's presidency bigotry wasnt a main focus, i dont see how Nixon's bigotry (being neither institutional or rare in character) is so important. but no i do see why it's so important, because Nixon is the devil, they'll use and abuse all his bigotry to depict an evil and sad man while all the other racists in the white house get to be normal presidents. tbf Nixon was a little more racist than the medium but it should be a minor focus
>>1918842It's almost like everyone in the recent past was a racist by modern day standards...
>>1918844i mean have you seen Kissinger's opinions on the jews? good God
>>1918839Yep the schizo trannies made actual playable content while the retard radlib niggers almost exclusively delete shit made by better and more creative people. Funny how that works. Really puts into perspective how awful the nu-devs are, doesn't it?>>1918841>Midnight comes on the West Coast>"It's still the 22nd in Hawaii, bigot."
>>1918812No, it makes him good.>>1918842>the only difference is that Nixon's dialogues got leaked while other presidents got out cleanExactly. Show me Johnson, Kennedy or Reagan ranting about jews inflitrating the US government. Or about necessity to abort mixed-race children.>point being that in IRL Nixon's presidency bigotry wasnt a main focusAnd it is not a main focus here, you idiot. He is not going to proclaim TND and TJD during his term. Its is his character traits, which are essential to writing events.
>>1918874>not a main focus here>18 pages worth of bitching about how much of an awful person he was based purely on his rayciss views
>>1918874https://youtu.be/z7GLJsclRi8>Exactly. Show me Johnson, Kennedy or Reagan ranting about jews inflitrating the US government.this is pretty close isnt it?
>>1918874>He is not going to proclaim TND and TJD during his termLame.
>>1918874>Its is his character traits, which are essential to writing events.in fact i do agree that the bigotry Nixon said and did should be represented, point is most other presidents were just slightly less bigoted than him. what then? we have a doc for every president's slur? come on man
>>1918884>we have a doc for every president's slurI mean, they probably do. They're that faggy. And they undoubtedly spent hundreds of hours on that instead of making anything playable.
>>1918884>>1918886That's literally how characterization docs work, the point is to accurately reflect how the characters behaved and talked.This is doubly true for Nixon because his focus loc is written through his perspective.
>>1918881oops seems that civil's rights hero great democrat president was a little racist!
>>1918888in fact what im arguing is that Nixon's is overly represented in his racism, and he is because he's the devil for liberals! they are using a very standard definition of Nixon that resembles very well many other presidents of the time
>>1918890you say that like they aren't aware of that
>>1918892then why is Nixon the big bad? why isnt LBJ potrayed just as bigoted as he actually was?
>>1918894because lbj is not a presiden in vote pig
>>1918888You dense cunt. It's not about him being these things. It's about the fact that QPQ is a meandering faggot that whines and is insufferable in his writing that makes it intolerable to read. Why is this so hard for you to get through your head?
>>1918895what about Reagan then?
>>1918899and i'd like to add, even then a good majority of the population felt this way. especially in the 60 there was a big majority white people who were very skeptical of the US's race relations. if this is the case irl, imagine in this alternative timeline
>>1918899Wasn't Reagan's content leaked? Maybe it has something written but I didn't bother to check when it was initially leaked
>>1918903>Nixon gets his special little bigot spectacle because he got caught doing itfucking idiots
>>1918903My honest reaction to this information
>>1918903>If we don't act like we're disgusted by it, then everyone would think we agree with the nazis!So incredibly retarded.
>>1918881Its not? Its a simple racist joke, not a conspiracy (albeit truthful) theory. And its not like Reagan fired people based on their ethnicity (Nixon did that). Reagan was a horrible person too btw, striking a deal with Iran to defeat Carter on 1980 elections and i hope devs will mention that.>>1918880Read the fucking flowchart.>>1918884>slightly less bigotedNot slightly. Thats the point.
>>1918910>now because he said something about the jews instead of talking about niggers it's totally differentkill yourself
>>1918910Why are you defending this faggot so hard?
Insiders, let us know: Are they panicking about all the leaks yet or are they still acting like things are still completely normal?
>>1918916not really, everything is as normalgetting the update out is the main concern rn
I trust this thread's anons to give me an ubiased review/opinion of the update once it comes out
>>1918920
>>1918920>crunching so hard you aren't even paying attention to the dams breakingSuffer, devniggers.
>>1918911There is a difference between people who called your mother a whore and people who actually fucked her. I hope it helps.>>1918913I dont care enough to defend enyone.
>>1918913Because he talks like one of them. He's part of their circlejerk.
>>1918910If it's true it isn't a conspiracy theory. Stop using their lingo.
>>1918945Makes sense.
>>1918916Why would they panic about leaks though?
>>1918960Because people on the team are posting all their documents on 4chan.
When the update comes out I rec you guys do a Germany run for the cool as hell Pakt-istan events.(I may or may not have written some of these)
>>1918961Not really a reason to panic. At most it's annoying. Bigger things have been leaked in the past (Burgundy, NPP removal, entire builds, etc)
>>1918967Will do once 2WRW gets updated.
>>1918969Cope. Your team mates hate you, your other friends and you'll never be able to have anything to yourself because you've fostered a culture of resentment within your ranks.
>>1918961So what? Anyone who was going to play their trash will still play it, anyone who wasn't won'tAt this point everyone knows exactly what to expect from these retards, there are no dark horses to potentially be surprised by
>>1918971Hopefully it won't take long, they've been given access to the new map files.
>>1918941im sorry but this makes zero sense
>>1918977They said that they'd have to update every single peace deal and state-related effect and that the Moskowien rework creates troubles for them not least by swapping out Oktan. Might take a while but it should just be busywork and tedium so it hopefully won't take too long.
when is it even releasing
>>1919016Code freeze is in 2 hours so a bit later than that.
>>1919020>Code freeze hours away from releaseYou niggers are crunching again aren't you lel.
>>1919024Yeah it's mostly fixing the remaining bugs, coding in loc and 2 turkey portraits that no one is making bc not a single portrait artist is available.
>>1919027You're gonna fuck up.
>>1919058Maybe. We got 12 minutes to fix the peaceful reunification superevent not firing.
>>1919075How do you announce a release date and set it in stone and not have some of the core events function?
>>1919087It worked but it had a meme placeholder song, when the song was changed something broke and we didn't noticed until now. It's fixed now though. Code is frozen now, the update is coming.
>>1919089Can't wait to finally play as Fiji in this patch that totally isn't an embarrassing pile of shit.
The update is delayed, Git reached maximum storage and the 20 year xinjiang content couldn't be pushed.
>>1919101Funny if true but I doubt it.
The update has released. Spoiler alert: It's shit.
It's up.
The New Order: Last Days of Europe - v1.7.0 "Operation Deep Freeze"Major Additions- Completely remade the map with the Patterson projection- Full map/state reworks - Added Antarctican continent - Neuschwabenland playable content until September 1964 - OFN Antarctic Administration playable content until March 1965 - Argentine Antarctica playable content until early 1964 - Canada - Paraguay - Ireland - Switzerland - Serbia - Generalgouvernement - Reichskommissariat Ostland - Reichskommissariat Kaukasien - Denmark - Norway - Finland - Russian Far East - Central Asia (all) - Syria - Lebanon - Jordan - Egypt - Sudan - Saudi Arabia - Trucial States/Italian Gulf - Yemen - Iran - Morocco - Mauritania - Algeria - Tunisia - Tanganyika - Namibia - India/Azad Hind - Azad Hind no longer controls any of Uttar Pradesh - Afghanistan - No longer directly annexed Quetta and North Balochistan, instead it is now controlled by NWFP - Burma - Thailand - Laos - Kampuchea - Vietnam - North Borneo - Indonesia - Papua New Guinea - All of China - Manchuria - West Indies Federation - Dutch Exiles now own Sint Maarten/Saba/Sint Eustatius - Canada now owns the Cayman Islands and the British Virgin Islands - Bahamas/Turks and Caicos - Moskowien - Kaukasien now owns Kalmykia - Ostland now owns the northwestern regions of Moskowien - All pacific islands and atolls added - Likewise, all remote islands in the Atlantic and Indian ocean added and given owners- Map/state touchups - Colombia - Chile - Moskowien - Croatia - Romania - Bulgaria - Now owns West Thrace - Turkish Inspectorate General in Mosul - Palestine - Oman - South Africa, including straightening out Botswana's border with Ostafrika and Sudwestafrika - Corrected Mozambique-Nyasaland states - Malaya
>>1919113Major Additions (cont.) - The Philippines - Separated Palawan from SW Tagalog, Pangasinan now controlled by SPR - Fully rebalanced starting GDP for the entire world to align with real data - Reworked GDP distribution system, including manually setting starting state GDPs for many countries- Republic of India skeleton redone and expanded, with full skeleton content for it up until 1972- Azad Hind skeleton redone and expanded, with full skeleton content until 1972- Pakistan created as a tag, full skeleton content for it up until 1972- New proxy war between India, Azad Hind and Pakistan- Subcontinental Crisis added- Dozens of events for the various superpowers to interact with India through choices and responsesMinor Additions- Several new and redone economy types- Addition of Uruguayan Antarctica post Operation Southern Cross- Addition of Vichy French Antarctica- Starting situation for Brazilian Antarctica post Operation Southern Cross- Starting situation for Italian Antarctica post Galindez Island Lease- Revised starting situation for Japanese Antarctica- 12 Achievements for Antarctic Tags- New Zealand has been given full skeleton content up until 1972- Cambodia skeleton reworked and expanded to be more era-appropriate, with content up to 1972- New starting situation for Bhutan added- Sikkim added as a tag with a starting situation- Pashtunistan will now be possible- Kalat renamed to "Union of Baloch States" and given new national spirits, with a bio rework for Mir Ahmad Yar Khan- Turkey skeleton content is reworked and modernized in light of current plans, taking place up until 1971- Armenia now starts as a puppet state of Turkey, replacing the Armenian Revolt with 1966 - 30+ new state lore entries
>2 years of antartica contentRIVETING
>>1919114Minor Additions (cont.)- Subideology changes - New Subids: Neocorporatism (Progressivism), Islamic Nationalism (Despotism), Wang Jingwei Thought (Despotism), Chiang Kai-Shek Tought (Despotism), Radical Kemalism (Despotism), Right-Kemalism (Conservatism), Oligarchic Conservatism (Conservatism), Revolutionary Zionism (Fascism), Fundamentalist Zionism (Ultranationalism), Socialist Zionism (Socialism), People's Democracy (Communism), Palingenetic Nazism (National Socialism) - Reworked Subids: Social Democracy, Reformist Socialism, Esoteric Nazism, Technocratic Nazism, Revolutionary Nazism, Progressive Liberalism, Fascist Populism - Social Democracy is now a Socialist subid, generally representing the pre 50s consensus. Reformist Socialism moved to Progressivism, representing Fabians, Bernsteinites and sufficiently 'revisionist' socdems. Democratic Socialism folded into the latter - "Palingenetic Nazism" introduced as a replacement for Esoteric Nazism, Slavo-Aryanism, Deep Ecology Nazism and Ariocriollismo - Technocratic Nazism and Revolutionary Nazism reworked for the future new Germany setup - "Progressive Liberalism" renamed to "Social Liberalism" and given a new desc - Controlled Democracy has been folded into Anocracy - Dominant-Party Democracy has been turned into a political system law instead, and all current users reassigned - Reworked descriptions for National Socialism, Ultranationalism, Civilian Dictatorship, National Conservatism, Christian Conservatism, Paternalistic Developmentalism, Stratocracy and Revolutionary Gaitanismo
>>1919116Minor Additions (cont.) - Removed Subids: Arab Communism (Communism), Revolutionary Ba'athism (Communism), Esoteric Despotism (Ultranationalism), Fundamentalism (Ultranationalism), Stratocracy (Paternalism), Military Mandate (Paternalism), Slavo-Aryanism (National Socialism), Deep Ecology Nazism (National Socialism), Stratocratic Nazism (National Socialism), Controlled Democracy (Paternalism), Xunzheng (Paternalism), Neo-Ba'athism (Despotism), Neofascism (Fascism), Revisionist Zionism (Liberalism and Conservatism), Democratic Socialism (Progressivism), Labor Zionism (Progressivism), Nasserism (Socialism), Neocommunism (Socialism) - "Corporate Statism" subid has been renamed to "Statist Corporatocracy" - "Corporatism" subid has been renamed to "Corporate Statism" - "Ultramilitarism" has been renamed to "Stratocracy" - "Authoritarian Developmentalism" renamed to "Paternalistic Developmentalism" - Stratocratic Corporatism moved from National Socialism to Ultranationalism - Technocratic Corporatism moved from Paternalism to Despotism - Guevarism moved from Socialism to Communism - Ba'thism is now a subid for Socialism, Despotism and Fascism - Several icon reworks- Added additional Endonym-Exonym coverage for the following regions: - Northern Europe - Southern Europe - Eastern Europe - Middle East - North Africa - West Africa - Central Africa - Southern Africa - Central Asia - Western Russia - Northern Siberia - Central America - South America - Indian Subcontinent - Southeast Asia - Antarctica- New main menu song, Operation Deep Freeze- Many new songs added- Kasche has been made German Ambassador to Sweden
>>1919117Bug Fixes- Fixed various state lore initials displaying as full country names- Fixed several healthcare and gender rights laws displaying the wrong tooltips- Fixed several laws have a effect listed as "Political Power Power Gain"- Nations leaving the Comintern now leave the COMECON research group and econ sphere at the same time- Fixed nations losing election display info when autonomy status was changed even if the current government was preserved- Fixed several Germany ideas whose icons got replaced with a vanilla one following the last update- Fixed CTD due to Red Finland spawning a unit using the template of regular Finland- Fixed British Collabs getting buff after the first contender in the GCW dies instead of the end of the GCW- Fixed Belize getting a generic leader in some scenarios- Fixed a ton of Hart scripted loc not accounting for 0 or using numbers 1 or 2 orders of magnitude too small- Sikorsky R-4 no longer as a max altitude in Medium Earth Orbit- 1968 NPP Presidents will now take the shared NPP tree after the first 2 years- Fixed CTD from GAW escalating and VIN trying to spawns unit with an invalid template- Fixed Hitachi's ending tree being broken with no icons- Guangdong economic chart now displays real GDP growth in tooltip rather than the precursor to the precursor of nominal GDP growth- Fixed a missing ending check for one of Takagi's focuses- Fixed Kemerovo focus with trigger loc broken by last HoI4 update- Fixed decision icon for Iberia's Invest in the Dominican Republic not showing because someone misspelled Dominican- Italy now loses Colombia volunteers spirit after end of CCW
>Most of the patch notes are map edits, minor tweaks, lore being added for third world shitholes without content and things facilitating the many content cuts and botched reworks
>>1919118Balance Changes- Added Power Plants to more than 200 states- Boosted Shipyard Production rate by 300%- Added Hospitals, Schools, Offices, Prisons and Barracks to states all over the world- Reduced the cost for building Schools, Hospitals, Offices, Power Plants, Barracks and Prisons- Removes Political Power Costs for War Taxes, Austerity Measures and Tax Hikes- Reduced the costs of the decisions to prepare and start the wars for Russian superregional and national unification- Adjusted Mexican Miracle values to incorporate broader economic changes made in Operation Deep Freeze- Slave Revolt now gets cores on the states it takes during the Uprising- Many balance changes across Antarctic contentOther Changes- Numerous world events cut, rewritten or merged into a singular world event- Various namechanges for nations in West Africa to be more accurate- Gave further detail to American Victory Points, adding missing cities such as Ann Arbor and State College- Trarza has been renamed to Mauritania- Bulgaria's national spirits now have dynamic removal- Bulgaria now rejoins the Pakt Econ Sphere and faction if it is under the Tsar- Institutional Despotism Cuba now uses Stabilizing Development- The Neutral and Pro-Sphere endings of the Turkestan Conference proxy now annex the anarchy after their victory- Canada's Nixon Shock national spirit now gets removed after a few years- Sierra Leone now joins the Econ Sphere of the West African Alliance or Free France after they win the proxy- Free France is now Colonial Government- Senegal is now Civilian Dictatorship- Several other subid changes in Africa- Added Cores and Claims to States in Antarctica- Many portraits and National Sprit Art for Antarctica reworked- New tabs in Antarctic tags have been frozen over to make clear which base Hoi4/TNO mechanics aren't utilized- Chilean Antarctica and Japanese Antarctica added to country select screen as "WIP"
>>1919120Other Changes (cont.)- Special Thanks to Best Wizard for the Antarctic CCPs!- Nepal, Bhutan and Sikkim will be able to follow India into the economic spheres of various superpowers- Restored the gamerules for Battle of Sichuan and Western Insurrection- Added Unique Focus Icons for all three of Morita's Ending Paths- Sergio Osmena Jr. now uses Paternalistic Developmentalism- The Islamists in Kyrgyzstan now use Islamic Nationalism- Madagascar will now join the Co-Prosperity Sphere as an Independent Member- Iran now rejoins the Pakt Econ Sphere and reobtains its Observer Status after the German Civil War ends- Renamed the tag "Antigua and Barbuda" to "Antigua, Barbuda, and Montserrat"- Changed the "&" to "and" in the tag "St. Kitts, Nevis, and Anguilla"- Renamed the tag "Curaçao" to "Aruba and Curaçao"- Menbij state lore is replaced with Aleppo state lore- One Syria gamerule has been removed due to redundancy following removal of DYP decolonization- Added Mexican Army, Naval, and Air Chiefs- Added descriptions to many Puerto Plata decisions- Removed a duplicative Mexico event regarding the Olympics- Modified all AI templates and the scripts behind using them- Redone AI priorities for equipment production- Redone AI priorities for building construction- AI will focus on achieaveable production and construction goals- Redone AI priorities for research and doctrines- Added more complex AI economy scripts- Redone AI War Plans- Allows any Russian Warlords to enact War Taxes at any point before Regional UnificationThat's it, patch is live.
It's shit.
>>1919121Kill yourself devnigger. Least you can do after killing the mod.
>>1919114>Pashtunistan will now be possibleno way
>We lost MCW so that Kasche can be an ambassador
>>1919128Destiny will never be reached...
>select german antartica>see picreli am good
>>1919134Denmark GUI was meant to be a joke! A joke!
Holy shit so many VPs>>1919134It's not as bad as it looks, you just pick a square and select a decision. Iirc different types of tiles have different options.
>>1919134WHAT THE FUCK?
Netaji!!!!
Bio goes hard
>>1919137>Billions of useless victory points that'll never be used in a dead mod by retarded neoliberalsWhere have I seen this before?
what were they thinking
>>1919145Don't care I want destiny back.
>>1919145It fucking sucks.
>>1919137>>1919147Is this for fucking real? What the fuck?
New corporatism icon>>1919147Kino
>>1919153>Is this for fucking real?yes, almost every province a victory point
Soccreds in NZ!!!!
>>1919157Can they get in power.
>>1919155Most states have city lore too. Check it out.
>>1919155This is fucking horrible the map's fucking unreadable oh my God why
>>1919161Kinda, yeah
>>1919162this is so fucking epic.
To all devniggers in this thread: I hope your families endure long, painful battles with cancer.
>>1919164Good, death to the OFN.
Radical kemalists... Kino...
>wait 2-3 years of ODF integration>2 years of Antarctica contentHope it was worth it fellas
>>1919173I was more hyped for the map and it delivered.
>>1919173I saw the "content" GUI minigame and just quit
>>1919173It's even worse than Mexico.
>>1919176filtered lmaoit's been there for years and no one's complained
>>1919179Guess you're learning what happens when normal players try out your shitty demo no one cared about.
Unplayable. Also, hello bulgarian
>>1919175Ig the map is fine although the amount of VPs is ungodly. Also hello Argentinian hope you enjoy your miserable colony in Antarctica
>>1919179I don't want to spend hours trying to figure out what any of it means just for 2 years of in game time worth of content
>>1919182Enjoy getting thrace for 2.3 seconds (3 years of dev before Greece drops if we are lucky) CHUDDYYOU WILL HAVE NOTHINGAT LEAST IVE PERONIST USSR LARP YOU GET KEKED OVER MACEDONIA COPE
>>1919183literally someone already explained it>>1919137
>>1919184Your country having content in TNO should be regarded as an insult so idk what you're hyping
2020 vs 2024
>>1919194This is the saddest shit I've seen.
>>1919194literally more tags have been added I don't see the problem here
>>1919205lame bait
>>1919207nigga you can literally count the flags
>>19192082020: 342024: 384 new tags in 4 years
>>1919208The only fun flags of the "more tags" you talk about are Guangdong and maybe NovosibirskHaven't played Brazil so I can't say much about it but that's it
>>1919215all of them are fun, fuck off
>>1919217No, not really
>>1919217let me see... hmmm Ukraine!have an inevitable civil war and it doesn't matter who you play as because the conclusion is a german invasion which you can't beat
>>1919147This shit's so ass, is that sperg Yugo the last active contributor they have so they couldn't tell him no or something? Can the devs in the thread explain this to me?
>>1919223it's about the journey, not the destinationthe event chains of some characters there are the best in the mod
The cut Esoteric Nazism?Fuck this shit, I'm done, gotta make everything generic and boring with that palingenetic crap.Also, this will break the purple EsoNaz mod too, did they do this shit just to fuck with those of us that like purple? The nu-devs are so resentful of the old content and it's fans I really wouldn't put it past them.
>>1919224It's not just a Yugo thing (he's also not the only contrib lol). It was part of the new projection proposal and it was given the green light by the higher ups. It's not even that bad, the VPs only look that clustered at a specific zoom level. Of all the things to complain this update this seems the most weird one to get hung on upon.
>>1919228it's a good thing there are no wars in the mod otherwise this would be really fucking annoying to micro in
>>1919220Fuck they added the shitty EsoNaz replacement.>>1919227Read the news post under the OP. Lamounier cut all of the old EsoNaz ideologies and even some UltraNats he didn't like.
>>1919228It's fucking shit why did you add VPs in every province you stupid cunts?
LAMOUNIER YOU FUCKING FAGGOTYears of following and playing this pile of shit and they take away the one thing that made it interesting.I'm shocked they managed to make this fucking project less compelling than TWR< how is that even possible.
>>1919230Nah, it's been balanced so that wars don't require you to obsess over taking every VP.>>1919233To add more flavor to the map.
>>1919228>It's not just a Yugo thing (he's also not the only contrib lol). It was part of the new projection proposal and it was given the green light by the higher ups. It's not even that bad, the VPs only look that clustered at a specific zoom level.Grim.
>>1919236Maybe if you retards actually played the game instead of writing a shitty book in it you'd realize the problems with adding every hovel with two people in it on the map you outright subhuman.
New econ type.
>>1919243What exactly is the problem? They don't cause any lag and don't mess up wars.
>>1919245weird thing to spend time on if it doesn't affect anything
>>1919253It's cool and ppl wanted to do it. That's all there is to it.
>>1919245They're so tightly packed all the names blend together and overlap everything on normal zoom levels you retarded sack of shit.
>>1919258Just zoom in or out then.
>>1919260Seriously I hope you get hit by a truck on Christmas eve devnigger.
>>1919255There is as much reason to add those VPs as there is NOT to add them so why even bother at this point?They don't affect wars apparently and everything it does is cover the entire screen with city names nobody cares about once you zoom in to the point where there are more names than map
>>1919263It's cooler to have them. It's already done, there's no point in bitching about it. Just enjoy.
>>1919264Fuck off devnigger.
>>1919266No.
>>1919264No, because its not enjoyable to have it, how hard is it for your niggerape skull to understand that
>>1919270I enjoyed them every time I played. It might be a you problem.
>>1919272Kill yourself you devnigger piece of shit.
>>1919275Stop being so mad and enjoy the holidays.
>>1919272I hope you and your (few and far between) loved ones endure a short and unimpressive battle with pancreatic cancer
>>1919276Devnigger Grinch ruined Christmas.
>>1919277>>1919276
>BAKER HEREBAKER HERE>BAKER HEREI guess I'm going to spend several hours tomorrow collecting news and put all the leaks into what I guess is 2-3 (maybe more) collected and sorted posts. If someone wants to mark down all the posts with leaks, that'd be helpful because Lord knows there's a lot of them and I don't want to miss anything. Thought that the biggest news would be the roundtable leak and a nothingburger update but I guess this is the season for miracles after all.
>>1919288Roundtable>>1913850Big leak>>1914719
>>1919288In addition to anon above me, this is everything>>1914719>>1916471>>1916908>>1916925>>1917032>>1917363>>1917377
>>1919290Splitting in 2 because spam.>>1917378>>1917389>>1917397>>1917398>>1917798>>1917813>>1918137>>1918289>>1918437
>>1919289>>1919290>>1919291Cool I'll make sure to get everything you post and go through it an extra time myself. Gotta make this accessible for everyone.
>>1919293You can put everything into a zip and link it in the OP. It was done that way last year.
>>1919294I would prefer to just have everything individually and sorted alphabetically. It'd be easier for the regular user that way to get what they want. Maybe I'll put everything into a single zip file for the bake after the next one.
>>1919194>adding nations with no playable content to the country selection screen just to make the mod look less emptybleak
>>1919306You can sort them in folders by tag/region. Again, this how it was done in earlier dumps.
>>1919307those countries are coming soon... late 2026 perhaps
>>1919308I'll figure something out. I'll make a neat zip either in the next bake, or the one after this. Given the way things are going, my strongest argument for holding off on it is that I wouldn't be surprised if we got another dump of content before new years kek.
It feels like it was only yesterday when Mexico was the lowest low TNO had reached.
>>1919226>poignant quote about how fascism is when you nuke slavs
>It's good, actually!t. nota dev
>India peacefully reunifies>Becomes poop coloredBravo, TNO devs
>>1919450For once, I'm all for this commitment to realism.
>>1919450The only good thing about this ending is that Pakistan doesn't exist.
>>1919478bad news: india still exists
>>1919479That's true, should be Hindustan.
I tried to play a new game with the update but theres so little new content I got bored and quitMaybe ill play late 2025 when they squeeze 4 year Honduras content out.
>>1919493late 2025 you will get a 2 year demo of the future Bormann content
>>1919493East is Red updates in 3 days. You can play that.
1M visitors on steam.And you guys say the mod is dead.
>>1919539artistically it's dead
>>1919539>A lot of people watched Revenge of the Sith. How can you say that the Star Wars franchise doesn't have the best days ahead of it?
>>1919541>>1919542Cope.
>>1919539Since 2020 you fat retard.
>>1919545>Ignores all the negative feedback>Claims that the view count's more important>Accuses others of coping>"A-At least a lot of people came to laugh at me!"
>>1919564Your feedback is worthless and is rooted in historical ignorance and media illiteracy.
>>1919569>media illiteracyhe said it! he said the thing!
Did 1 year as Antarctica, never again, this shit is so ass
>>1919575Which Antarctica?
>>1919569>"Your map is dogshit, it's so cluttered with pointless shit that it's the Denmark GUI of maps and it actively worsens my experience.">"U-Uhm... Media illiterate bigot! Chud!"
>>1919607The cluttering is fixed by zooming out a little. You're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
>>1919610There's still a VP in every fucking province you stupid cunt there's a reason why you and your devnigger buddies are the first and only people in the history of HOI4 modding to do something that stupid.
>>1919612And how is that a bad thing? Oh no the map is more accurate woe is me!
>>1919613Because the VP distribution is now completely fucked and in the event of a conflict (which you still haven't deleted all of) it damages the logical pacing of core gameplay functions like surrender progression and makes unit movement and stationing less natural since you've now not only told the player but also the AI that every millimeter of land has to be defended. It also fucks with state control in the event of wars. I could go on, but there are a lot of issues. The fact that you don't understand any of these concerns (that would be obvious to anyone that played any VP based strategy game let alone HOI4) just proves, again, that you and your devnigger friends are clueless when it comes to the game you're working on. It really goes a long way to explain why you retards focus on everything but gameplay. You just want to turn HOI4 into a vehicle for your shitty LGBTQ novels, inherited playerbase be damned.
>>1919615It's been balanced so that all of that isn't an issue.
>>1919616NTA but saying "no it's not true" isnt a great argument
>>1919618Just play the game and you'll realize it isn't a problem. Or look at the code.That guy is speaking in hypotheticals that aren't true because we've made sure to fix all balancing issues concerning wars and VPs.
>>1919616Oh wow? You balanced your map with a VP in every single province in a way that will not fuck up the AI's most basic functions about how it calculates basic defense algorithms and plans its strategies? Got any other way to tell me that you're a dumb devnigger that has never played played a strategy game before in your entire life?
>>1919622>we've made sureyou admitted to being a dev, lmao
>>1919622>We were really concerned about making sure the wars work guys>By the way we're removing all wars in Europe and may add 2WRW in a decadekek they're not even trying.
>>1919623Yeah the AI has recieved improvements in this patch in how it deals with both the economy and wars. Again, just play the game and see for yourself.>>1919625We've literally just added a huge war but ok.
>>1919627Fuck off, devnigger.
>>1919631Concession accepted. In the end your criticism is as worthless as I thought.
>>1919632You ignored every argument and just said "bro trust me and my fellow devniggers" over and over again, fuck off to your Devcord hugbox.
>>1919634I didn't, I said that everything you complained about is already fixed. It's not a matter of trust, you can check for yourself if you think I'm lying, the update is already out.
>>1919627>removing all wars in Europe>all wars>in EuropeDisingenuous faggot.
>>1919636>Just play my shitty mod, if you find anything wrong with it that means you didn't play it since it identifies as functional >Just read the events if you say you dislike them that means you didn't read them because I identify them as good eventsWhy are you devniggers like this?
>>1919641We also add them elsewhere. And besides, we added a playable Ukrainian civil war and revamped the british one in The Ruin. And we're also making content for the Iberian Wars.>>1919642Because you keep complaining without playing the mod.
>>1919645>Railroaded war with only one allowed outcome>Tag in rework hell since 2020>Incomplete demo with one playable side also being reworked You and your friends are a fucking embarrassment.
>>1919651>Railroaded war with only one allowed outcomeThere are 4 outcomes. 1 for each contender.>Tag in rework hell since 2020I guess you mean Iberia. The tag is not being reworked.>Incomplete demo with one playable side also being reworkedThe war is complete for the collab side which is what matters to the argument.Also now I remember we're also adding the Ita-Ger war with Red Italy. That's 1 more war in Europe.
>>1919654There are two outcomes. Either the RK wins or the Ukrainians win, at which point Germany invades. Or nukes its own breadbasket to no ill effect.
>>1919655The Ukrainians are 3 very different factions. The invasion happens later and is not part of the civil war.
>>1919654>red italy>ever
>>1919658You say the same of all updates until they come out.
>>1919654Reminder that Red Italy was announced almost four years ago btw.https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/s/8QvjLSMfWq
>>1919662And?
how the fuck does the ukrainian civil war make any sense if the GCW doesn't happen?
>>1919664And also that Panzer and his team in the same timeframe developed and released the OG mod.
>>1919654>Germany wins>Germany faces a brief setback before inevitably winning >Epic quaeret of choices!!Kill yourself, devnigger.>We added one whole side in the early game content! Reworking it though!Kill yourself devnigger.>Actually only a PART of that tag has been in dev hell.Kill yourself devnigger.>Italy update with a war with Germany any century now!Meanwhile Brazil never and Amur has been in rework hell for years. Kill yourself devnigger.
>>1919662>>1919664>TFR was conceived, developed and released in a shorter timeframe than Italy has been reworkedYou're such a stupid fucking shill if you don't see the issue.
>>1919665Lack of reinforcements from Germany leave the garrison weakened.>>1919666And it released in a very sorry state.>>1919667I could hear you seethe before you even posted this message.>>1919669And it released in a very sorry state.
>>1919671>Very sorry stateI bet TNO on release had more content and paths that it had now.
>>1919673And they were so bad we had to rework all of them.
>>1919671Released in a better state than your fucking no gameplay demo collection you dumb ape.
>>1919676>>1919675
>>1919675Holy shit fuck off devnigger. Your reworks suck, kill yourself.
>>1919678If you hate them so much go make your own mod. Oh wait every attempt of you making one has crashed and burned before it could even release lol.
>>1919679We're playing different mods because you alienated your entire original fanbase. We just come here to laugh at you and leak your stupid plans.
>>1919680You just admitted you don't play the mod. You can't expect me to take your criticism seriously.
>>1919681Seriously, why the fuck do you devniggers get so much joy out of destroying the mod?
>>1919686We're not destroying anything. We're improving it, both narratively and mechanically.
>>1919689You're just copying shit from Wikipedia you dumb cunt.
>>1919690Ah yes the famous wikipedia article of the great indian war of reunification of 1965.
>>1919671>Lack of reinforcements from Germany leave the garrison weakened.the uprising would be crushed before it could do much
>>1919693Realistically yes, but this is a game and we need to give the partisans a fighting chance.
>>1919691>Ah yes the famous wikipedia article of the great indian war of reunification of 1965.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_war_of_1965
>>1919695Not the same war lol, where's Azad Hind in this? Plus the war in TNO is much more bloody and destructive.
>>1919694>We gave them a fighting chance!>Don't worry, we railroaded the outcome so that it actually doesn't matter.>Don't like it? Guess we'll make it even more realistic by deleting the war.
>>1919694>this is a gameis it though?>give the partisans a fighting chancethey get crushed anyway BUT only after winning?
>>1919700>things that no one ever said>>1919701Yes and yes. We don't want to dev a myriad branching paths for Germany and Europe at large in the case that they lose the war. Planning shit for the 2WRW is already a nightmare.
>>1919694You guys would dare to say the October Revolution is unrealistic if it didn't actually happen IRL.
>>1919699>War in the same region in the same year but with one participant altered>"I see no similarities, this is a completely unique thing just like how 2WK has no similarities to WW2."
>>1919703We literally have Italy go communist. I'd say that's much more unrealistic.>>1919705Yes. The only thing they have in common is the starting year and 2/3 participants. The circumstances behind and the events in the war itself are quite different.
>>1919706Yeah I'm still surprised as to how it hasn't been canceled yet. Maybe the few commie devs that remain fought tooth and nail for it?
>>1919671>Lack of reinforcements from Germany leave the garrison weakened.Now explain that in relation to why every other RK doesn't revolt in the future.
>>1919708This may be a surprise but we the team actually like unrealistic shit like this. What we hate is meme slop and bad lore.>>1919710We don't like having all of Eastern Europe blow up. It's bad for performance and a chore for the Germany player to clean up afterwards.
>>1919711And what is considered "meme slop" and "bad lore"? Heydrich was a player only path like Taborisky and yet it was removed. Why?
>>1919706You're never finishing Italy lmao, fuck off.>>1919710Because Ukraine was too far along into development for them to be able to just delete the entire thing by the time The Ruin ruined everything. They'll make it consistent with the other tags in their next rework demo skeleton coming in 2027.
>>1919711>a chore for the player>chorethats most of the countries in the mod already
>>1919712Good lore is when the outcome Mango and Lamounier wants happens.Bad lore is everything else.
>>1919712Because we want Heydrich's Germany to be a serious Cold War and explore what his rule would actually be. Plus his current path relies on outdated lore about the SS.>>1919713>Because Ukraine was too far along into developmentThat too. But we're not deleting the war.>>1919714That's why we're reworking them.
>>1919716serious Cold War contender*
>>1919694>Realistically yes, but this is a game and we need to give the partisans a fighting chanceWas that your mindset when you reworked Moskowien for the 324849t4389347584th gorillion time and removed any uprisings?
>>1919718Those uprisings lagged the game like hell so yes.
>>1919671>Lack of reinforcementsWhere did they go? Why would they just abandon their breadbasket? What's the lore on this one?
>>1919716Then just change the SS lore instead of removing a path people actually like?
>>1919716Just like you aren't removing Burgundy and the NPP. OK devnigger.>They were bad though unlike this one thing that I tooootally don't want to delete despite doing the same thing everywhere else
>>1919719You're already removing the GCW which caused a fair amount of lag so why not just keep the Moskowien wars when for now we've had to deal with both the GCW and the collapse at the same time
>>1919719Ah yes, the tags in the CW caused lag so it had to be deleted. brb adding a hundred microstates and turning everything in the mod into a GUI mess.
>>1919720They didn't go anywhere. They aren't in Ukraine in the first place (they already have their own garrison). Because Germany's administration is paralyzed during the Kampfzeit it can't send reinforcements there until the political crisis ends.>>1919721That's literally what we did. We changed the SS lore and then changed Heydrich's path accordingly.>>1919724There's also the fact that the Mosk team doesn't want to have a civil war for their content. And they know better since they're the Mosk loremasters.>>1919722Removing one of the newest additions to the mod isn't as worth it as removing Burgundy and the NPP.>>1919725It's more the tag explosion that happens when the civil war starts more than the number of tags itself.
>>1919728>It's more the tag explosiondoes that mean Taboritsky's hellhole will no longer explode into a 2nd warlord period?
>>1919730Not exactly, the plan is to remove the unique tags and make the splinters cosmetic tags of already existing warlords.
>>1919732Furthermore it's something that happens at the end of the playthrough of a player only path. It's not like old Moskowien where it happens every single time at the start.
>>1919732but they will still cause a mass release of tags causing lag, so why is that okay?
To remove the lag they should add back Atlantaropa.
>>1919728>We deleted everything and started over from scratch because a few seconds of slowdown was too much to handle Devniggers please.
>>1919742Many are saying this.
>>1919741>>1919740
>>1919719Get a better PC, I don't remember it being laggy in anywayIt caused a few seconds of freeze and that's that.
>>1919749And now there's no freeze at all.
>>1919749 (me)and that was 4 years ago, hoi4 has gotten more optimized since then.
>>1919751>saving a few seconds in a multi hour long gameThank you dev-sama
>>1919751>The benefit of us deleting all content is less slowdown They told you that this was the pr line to take? Seriously?
>>1919757Where is the content? They're a bunch of tags with no focus trees or mechanics. They add nothing to the game.
>>1919759If you'd worked on making it playable instead of deleting everything and starting over ten times it'd be better than the shot you have now.
>>1919762The thing is, they were never gonna get content anyway.
>>1919763Well neither is this because you'll just rework it too.
>>1919710Because Ukraine, arguably the most important colony next to Kaukasien, is uniquely undermanned for some reason.It totally isn't because there's an actual war in Ukraine right now.
>>1919770The design plans for the UCW were made like 2 years before the SMO lol. This argument is stupid.
>>1919773>A team of notorious politicized radlibs were completely unaffected by one of the largest conflict since WW2 and did not let that influence any of their decisions during developmentSure buddy, we believe you.
>>1919774Do you really think, at the slow rate we develop content, that we have the ability to rush not even the coding but the design of a country because of real world events? Not to mention we released teasers of the war prior to 2022. You can look them up on reddit.
>>1919776I believe you're more than happy to shoehorn in stuff with little regard for the final product's quality, yes.
>>1919778You don't even play the mod.
>>1919779Yeah because I don't want to be lectured by whiny devniggers like you.
>>1919782Then how can you know if we've "shoehorned in stuff" or not?
>>1919783>Bitches about people never reading events>Couldn't read a one-liner postDevnigger behavior. I didn't say that I knew, I said that I was perfectly happy to believe that you'd do such a thing and that I have no interest to sift through five hundred events about trans rights in a third world country to verify it one way or another.
>>1919784You believe in a falsehood that can easily be disproven by just playing the mod you're criticizing. Peasant mentality.
>>1919789>Dude just trust me us devniggers would never lie
>>1919791Again if you mistrust me so much just play Ukraine and find out for yourself. Goddamn you're dense.
>>1919792Why would I? I don't want to be moralized to in the RK content and I already know that I'll be railroaded to a defeat if I play anyone else. Your mod is shit, you and your friends are terrible at making good content. I don't need to play this shit to know that I won't enjoy playing a "game" where the outcome is predetermined and nothing I do matters.
>>1919796So you can make a good argument instead of resorting to fallacies to try to own me.To criticize a game first you have to play it. Simple as.
>>1919797Why would I need to play it to know that it's railroaded shit when everyone already knows that it's railroaded shit and that the only outcome is Germany winning?
>>1919800That's not the point of the argument, see your post here >>1919770
>>1919801That's not my post and either way my it doesn't address gripe with it is that I know that nothing I do matters because Germany always wins so I have no interest in playing it.
>>1907952>reduce argentina's antarctic territory's militarization to 0>it just bumps itself back up naturallyoh cool so we can't even knock out another antarctic competitor nice
>>1919806I don't even know why Argentina would even entertain the antartican money pit without external funding
>>1919806What do you think this is, a game?
>>1919806Every claim has an emergency reserve that triggers only once for each resource.
>>1919810I've knocked it to zero multiple times. It still hasn't collapsed.
>>1919813Perhaps it's not coded in yet.
>>1919815bruhhhWhy the fuck did it take three years for ODF to be integrated?
>>1919817>>1910611Perfection takes time, bigot.
Filling the map with fuckin victory points sure looks damn unorthodox and weird, but whatever fulfills their delusions. What's hilarious, is the fact that you can very much easily tell who has been the vocal fella responsible for making this, and who likely is the fella defending the mod so hard over here. Hilarious. Makes me wonder if these silly little realism additions make it harder to push a hotfix for the submods.
>>1919824They've given the files to popular submods like 2WRW and EiR, I don't think the goal was killing submods.
>>1919825"Here's our pile of burning shit that you now have to work with. Good luck!"I'm sure they're really thankful towards the devniggers for that one.
>>1919831What would the alternative be? Not handing them out? Isn't that worse?
>>1919839I am so immersed
>>1919839kino
>>1919839my town has 3x more people and is not represented on the mapwho do I contact to get it added?
>>1919844Yugo or Concommie.
>>1919833How about not making this shit in the first place?>>1919839>They spent years on this
>>1919839Pretty sure the only reason why that's a thing is cuz vanilla and kr4 have it too. And that short paragraph on the wiki about it being used as a naval base for royal navy during the war. Tho even then it really doesn't warrant much mention when places like Mlawa/Mielau (one of the first battles of the war, capital of a landkreis in East Prussia and site near the sizeable Truppenubungsplatz Nord) is nowhere on the map. In general the further east you go in Germany the more empty places you see.
>>1919860>>1919863>>1919873Fresh bake!
Who wants to try to shitpost to 1488 before the thread gets archived
>>1919280Before the devnigger showed up to shill. We're up by 20 more now because that tranny janny decided to shit up the fucking thread.
So long, best /tno/ thread yet!
