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>can't enjoy tall gameplay anymore>did all the insane timed gigablob achievements>can only be bothered to cheat through mission trees to read the event text now
I felt like playing a little Tidore but before i did i decided to spend a year or so ruining the Ottomans before hecking off to the spice islands. This is how it ended up heading into 1600. I was a dummy and forgot to take a pic when the map was revealed to me but Venice had a bunch of the Byz lands at the time, because of course even if you hand all of Cyz cores back to them they still lose hard. But eventually even Venice got carved up as well.
Currently playing as Venice. I thoroughly bushwacked the Ottomans, Egyptians, and Hungarians. I'm making a lot of money. Right now I'm going to focus on repaying some loans, then I'll expand my army up to cap and look at how to fill out some missions on my tree. I just got the exploration idea group instead of trade so I can get the colonization missions. My concept for this run is if Venice, seeking Imperial protection from French aggression in Italy, agreed to join the HRE officially. Then I thought 'well, wouldn't it be cool if Venice was like the southern version of the hanseatic league? The hanseatic league engaged in small scale colonization and trade imperialism in the Baltics, wouldn't Venice try to do the same in the Mediterranean and Indian oceans as well, maybe even on into Asia proper? So that's what I'm doing right now. Goal is to conquer all of India as Venice and funnel its wealth into Venezia.
>>1911533>>1911541AI is pretty much hardcoded to release Naples, it's like 95% chance, don't savescum for it
>>1911905Nice, honestly Venice is extremely broken especially with the new mission tree they got but it's still fun to build up a large trade empire while keeping your core land relatively small, the most annoying part for me is transporting troops over, especially in all those SEA islands
Even play Venice, odd Holland.
>>1911962WTF? Why?!
>>1911900This is why I hate breaking ottomans early on. All the surrounding other majors carve it up for free and it was your own tome, money, and manpower that paid for it and then you gotta deal with super austria and poland later on. Gotta release Bulgaria or something as a buffer state
>>1912337I think it was a way to prevent AI spain to always end up with southern Italy and snowball the rest of the region.
>>1912454But... didn't they? IRL? That's like preventing the Ottomans from taking the Balkans or France from retaking Normandy
>>1912463It took them like 80 years to get Napes back under their control after Alfonso died. I also think the chance for Aragon to keep Naples is so low cause of how many countries have missions to take it themselves.
I really want to try the reworked Byzantium but I am scared of all the stuff they did to them.Any pointers? Or is the gameplan still just blockade the strait and rush down Gelibolu?
>>1912723strait blocking is kind of shit nowadays because byz's naval debuffs are harder to get rid of than their army debuffs. most people rush naples, get some good allies, and then either fight the ottos straight up or ignore them while expanding elsewhere
>>1912797>Aragon has an almost 100% chance to release Naples>except when I play BYZ then they keep Naples every single time
>>1912812simply bird
is there any way to push ai Byzantines towards Latin Empire?I'm trying to do a run of a holy triumvirate of Kingdom of God, Latin Empire, and Jerusalem
>>1912894>event that sparks during an otto byz defensive war>AI has 5% chance to select this optionProbably easier to feed a crusader nation the required land needed.
I hate the ottonigger so much. AI Turks Allying both poland and france while having 160k troops in 1560.
>>1912918Allying France is normal for Ottos. They have a mission for it.Allying Poland is really weird tho.>160k troops in 1560That number sounds low from my experience.
Whats the trick to get Norse religion?
>>1912990Long ass rare event chain in the first age where you need the pope to hate you and have a 5/5/5 ruler or sinner/scholar trait which you will probably have to savescum for, there's also an event in age of reformation if you have pagan rebels for them to convert to norse but this is also kind of a pain in the ass
Third Odyssey and the submods that adds extra flavor and monuments is fantastic, would highly recommend. Finished a game as Byzantium/Elysium and replaying it again, probably gonna try Spartakon or Vilnand next
>>1913078>have a 5/5/5 rulerI wish it was the other way where it was just some dummy that wanted to go back to the days of raiding.
>>1912990Sweden has it as part of their mission tree. IIRC they also get a free 5/6/5 ruler
>>1913366Other way around. Sweden has to be norse FIRST to get norse missions in the tree.
>>1913198Which submods are you using exactly? I've been thinking about doing another TO run lately.
>>1913456Third Odyssey: extra sub-modThird Odyssey - More MonumentsThird Odyssey: Purple ElysiaThird Odyssey: Elysian UnitsI think I saw an expanded estates one too
I hate the fact that colonial nations don't culture convert it just ****** me off so much
>>1913622At least new world ones do, but seeing Australia be all tribal abbo is fucking gross
>>1913522Cheers, I'll give these a try
>>1913827Hope you like it, it's the most fun I've had in a while playing EU4. Personal tip, all the things you can take on the voyage are very powerful and unlock events and bonuses besides what they say, but the Ventian captains and the silk pay off the best in different ways imo.
>Unholy alliance in the 15th centuryHow cooked am I?
The state of my Venice campaign.
>>1913851Uhhhh good luck, I wouldn't have even declared that
Can I get a quick rundown on banners? How tf should use them effectively, if at all?
>>1913851>Ottos and France before 1500sIt's ogre
you guys worry too much
>Current state of the empire
>>1913983What mapmode is that?
>>1913929Use them as cheap, reliable regiments for extended peacetime scenarios. They're cheap to train, cheap to reinforce, and cheap to maintain. Likely best to use them as cavalry.
>>1913982Should've forced the Ottomans to break alliance with the French in the peace deal
>>1914111checked, it's the dev mapmode in the macrobuilder>>1914182i took separate peaced france and broke the alliance = took war reps and money
Can I win?
>>1914355Yes, although you could use one more ally in the west. Help Poland and hope France doesn't fuck up.
I really hope EU5 overhauls the AI.I want to see speed run formation of tags.
>>1911830>country literally called just "U"chinks are fucking retarded, no wonder they spent over 2000 years getting raped by everyone around them
I have a question. I took Carribeans from Castille. Formed colonial nation on the Carribeans, clicked enforced culture, but they are still castillean culture, instead of changing to france-nigger culture. Why? Or does it take a lot of time to convert?
>>1914843There is no penalty for it, they stay castillean, but i want them to be of my culture. Still, it costed some Liberty Desire, i want to know will they ever change or if not by themselves, how do i force them to do so?
>>1914843they have to culture convert the provinces retard-kun
>>1914844The AI accepted Castillian for some reason. Their primary culture is French but they added Spanish to their accepted ones
>>1914847So i can roll with it? Fuck, this game as Orleans is hard as fuck, i am still learning, but... it's been constant rebalancing of stuff.>Here is my Europe, if you are interested.
>>1914844Colonies pretty much never culture convert, they're definitely not gonna do it after accepting it and there's no way to force it like religion, I guess the only way you could do it would be to move your capital to the new world to inherit your colonies to convert the provinces yourself and then move it back to Europe
yeah they made it so the colonial nation AI doesnt convert culture or religion anymorereally shitty desu, the way it used to be was better where colonial nations would convert everytghing ot their culture and old world AI never did it
>>1914847>>1914914>>1914917Thank you very much EU teachers!
>accidentally hit the introduce heir button>all my allies get the personal union cb, they all break their alliance, even fucking OPM Theodoro >spain/austria super power alliance declares in less than a yearFuck this game
>>1915001Why don't you press alt+F4?
>>1915001>pressed the nuke alliances button>didn't savescumPretend it doesn't exist if you're christian
>I'm taxmeta mortyHow fares the campaign anons?
Pachakuti died in six months from the start date lol.
>>1915105Poor Hungarian peasants...>>1915109Truly earthshaking
>>1915109Happens to me literally every time.
What's your favorite kind of country to play? Colonymaxxer - Like Spain, not necessarily trade-focused but benefits from it, focused on managing lots of colonial nations and maximizing treasure fleet incomeTrade empire - focused almost exclusively on maximizing trade income through merchants and dotting provinces around the map like Venice or PortugalIncest breeder - Like Austria, lots of personal unions, throne claimings, and succession warsBlob - like France, just claiming as many provinces as you can in one big unified realm.Vassalizer - like the Hungary above, making a ring of vassals around your imperial core which you maximally exploit.
Anons help me... why isn't moldova forming romania? I checked on the wiki and they should have the provinces required for the decision and there is no tech requirement
>>1915183I could see two possibilities: either Byzantium is still around or required provinces aren't their cores yet. Mures might be impossible to core without the land connection, but I am not sure
Byz is dead and has been for 50 years or so. Murres is a full core. I guess I have to start a non-ironman save as Moldova just to double check the requirements. Fuck you Johan
Figured it out, they never updated the requirements on the wiki. There is a plebbit thread complaining about it requiring Silistria as it was a holdover from when Silistria and Tolcu were one province. Apparently they must have changed it to require Tolcu instead as all other province requirements are the same
Autism
Ah yes, the great Russo-Ottoman Trans-Siberian Chase.Remember when that happened in history? It's my favorite event.
I've never played Russia.Is it worth a try?
>it's a "enemy migrates his entire population across Siberia to besiege Vladivostok and leaves his empire to be carpet sieged" episode >it's being rerun constantly getting pretty fucking tired of this ngl
The entire Ottoman army is locked in the far east. They can't leave.Words fail to describe my feelings right now.
>>1915383bruh lmao this kinda stuff is so annoying. I see it happen all the time when I'm playing around the Carpathian mountains. They'll walk all the way around the mountain range to attack forts in my rear every time .
>>1911830>Pooland picks le local noble>Restart>RNGebus kills sultan roach way too early>Restart>Iberian wedding never happens>RestartIs there a way to change the chances of these events? I have found that they are central to making the world actually interesting but having to restart ironman games sucks ass.
>>1915428>Is there a way to change the chances of these events?In the event file, there is "ai_chance = { factor = [number] }" with the number being a percentage out of 100. So just go to the events you care about, set the option you like to 100 and the others to 0
>>1911905you shoulda done the one where you befriend egypt instead. you want to prioritize money in the long run, and even if killing egypt now makes you a lot of money, you could colonize asia faster with suez canal. just take out a shit ton of loans to build it. im doing a catholic venice now where i also didnt befriend egypt but im going to do a reformed venice later where i do, and build suez, and fuckoen like, accept turkish, unaccept greek, accept egyptian and annex them mid-late game somehow, idkalso you can drop exploration after clicking the first mission if you want
Alright, year 1700 just hit. Rate my Europe. Norway, Finland, Prussia and Khiva are all my vassals.>Poland chose local noble but kept cockblocking me out of Lithuania pretty well anyway>Iberian wedding didn't fire>pretty sure France PU'd Burgundy and started sperging out all over Germany >catholics lost the league war, Bohemia is in charge, and since they're weak as shit on their own they're powerless to challenge France I gotta be honest, France is pretty fucking scary.Also don't feed land to Gotland they're fucking useless.
>>1915371>>1915374>>1915383Your entire nation's border should be stacked with forts to prevent this from happening. I know it's problematic as Russia because Siberia has a lot of mostly worthless land, but you still have to do it to prevent yourself from getting annoyed like this.
>>1915460>I gotta be honest, France is pretty fucking scary.Time to take on the mantle of Alexander I and defeat the French
>>1915460>didnt liberate the balkans>didnt liberate consantinople>didnt russify anatoliathats a pretty tame russia desu, I usually blob as much as I can when I play as russia but in my defence I got the balkans through a pu with hungary nut destroying the ottomaans should ahve been your priority, espesially since taking their capital will cause them to fall into decadence>I gotta be honest, France is pretty fucking scarymeh Ive seen much worse france desu, just ally with as much anti france countries bordering them and balkanise them
>>1915568The ottomans aren't a problem, I'll just chase them across Siberia again if I have to. They have somewhat bigger numbers but I've got double their discipline and a decent morale advantage. Their army must be like, all mercenaries since they always have 0 manpower and their army count keeps fluctuating between 300k to 600k.This time I made a solid wall of fortresses in Central Asia to keep them occupied longer.
Aside from historical roleplay, is there any point to colonization and creating colonial nations?Gameplay wise it's a huge money sink with very little return, unless you massively invest in infrastructures and mana for developing.
>>1915833Trading goods bonuses, access to more bases around the world. Trade companies make a lot of money. Easy and profitable expansion venue, if you are going for Spice Islands and thereabouts.
>>1915833>is there any point to colonization and creating colonial nations?You don't have to deal with OE when conquering Mexico or Peru. Just make a colony, then feed the whole region to them, and profit
Do you think eu4 has another dlc in it? Maybe 2? Or is it done until eu5 drops?
Imagine how peak it would be if they released 0 dlc and just spent the last few years of the games lifecycle balancing the game, fixing bugs and redoing institutions/colonization
Do colonists need to be reworked in your view? I feel like they're a bit too slow at producing new dev in your provinces. Maybe keep the same diminishing returns but bump the speed up several times for lower dev values, maybe capping the boost at 10 dev.>>1916015Would be based but I doubt it.
>>1916037>Do colonists need to be reworked in your view?Yes, but also no. Yes in the sense that they're ahistorical and allow colonization to happen too fast. But no in the sense that EU4 is pretty ahistorical overall and, as a feature attached to the game, it works decently well
>>1916037colonies should be the new OP matter as if you send them overseas they give you entire continents but if you send them to your own country they give just a few devs this is wrong you should be able to colonize your country once twice or three times doubling or tripling its population and in this way becoming global superpower using the colonization mechanics on your own territory even as Lithuania
>>1915998>eu5why? they won't update the engine, it'll be the same shit
>>1915374EU needs some HOI supply mechanics like supply originating from the capital and if border tiles get occupied which would cut off supply any armies in enemy territory start taking absolutely insane attritionthe further into enemy territory you are the thinner supply chains get stretched requiring you to take territory in a chain leading the border of the enemy nation so your supply can "flow in" to your armies
>>1915155I can't not colonizeno matter how hard I try to set limits for myself going into a campaign the next thing I know South Africa, the entire Pacific and half of the Americas are mine
any way to get Cesare Borgia as your country's leader with a 1444 start date?I want to do a Borgia Italy run but not as the Papal States
>>1916224That reminds me of the time I typed this
>>1916214The engine has been updated multiple times since EU4 retard. You can load up Imperator with 20 mods and it still runs better than EU4.
>Muscovy has finally declared independanceHow fares the campaign anons?
Bros, i feel stuck. I don't know how to tackle Spain and Great Britain, i have this ugly spot of Holland on me, but they are allied to Austria, Austria is allied to Poland and i am allied to Austria too. Spain/Portugal/UK hate me, my colonies are surrounded by scary colonies of theirs... Should i dissolve alliance with Austira/Poland and go for Russia Hungry, but they are far away to probably join my wars. I feel stuck. Maybe i will wait for Spain to declare a war on my colony and attack them, while they have their troops in the New World. Is there some point further trough the ages that some of those conrete alliances start to split?
>>1916289france probably thinks like 'what a fucking retard, I would've handled spain and gb both and now he dismantled me and can't deal with shit'
>>1916294I actually missed on Jana de Arc, should i have formed France, i thought Orleans will be more unique you know. I am 6th super power, but i feel lacking compared to UK and Spain. I am thinking, as i mentioned, to turn my head against Austria and expand in there, but that's not my original plan.
Im going to try the Merc focused Swiss run, but ive never really gone heavy into mercs before so there anything i should know that will make things smoother with it?
>>1916315Focus on high dip rep and max possible number of condotierri. Also ysk that merc combat ability acts as mercenary discipline
>>1915155Tribute enforcer - Like Oyo. Exactly like Oyo, in fact.I will reclaim Egypt from the damned Turks.
>>1915371Make small stacks of 1,000 men or so and automate sieging.
This game desperately needs anything that would allow to minimise amount of clicks on every possible levelproper carpet siege proper autonomous rebellion control proper AI commands for your own armies
>>1916350We already have those.
>>1916355and it works like shit like for example when you need to autonomously take down the rebellions you've got to click a shit ton of provinces like they could at least make it so that when you hover over your cursor over a province, everything that is underneath is added as a province that is going to be autonomously suppressed by the army that you have selected, while right now we need to manually click every single fucking province and if I if you accidentally just press 1 button or need to use that army you lose the selection of old the provinces and you gotta click it again.
>>1916357You don't have to click any provinces. It automatically targets all provinces under enemy control.
>>1916358I was talking about autonomous rebellion suppression especially relevant in the late game I mean yeah I could afford a couple of 20k stacks and never touch them but in the middle game I need all the armies I can get and I can't leave like even 20K stack just to run around and suppress the rebels
>>1916359It works that way for both rebels and enemy armies. Make one or two 1k stacks and set them to reclaim provinces, then use your real armies to kill the stacks and siege forts that were taken in the meantime.Go learn how the mechanics work.
>>1916360I don't wanna use my real armies to click I want a fully automated button that you just click once and it goes around and kills rebels without me doing anythingafter I press the autonomous rebellion suppression button I don't wanna click anything not a single province, you confuse carpet siegen and autonomous rebellion suppression
>>1916366>I don't wanna use my real armies to click I want a fully automated button that you just click once and it goes around and kills rebels without me doing anythingYou just said you didn't want that.
>>1916372I want exactly that to do exactly what I said it has to do yeah truly fully automated rebellion suppression button
>>1916373Congrats. We have that.
>>1916375no we don't because when you press autonomous rebellion suppression what it does is that it prompts you to click on every single province that you want to be suppressed by the army that you have selected and if you want to use this army to fight the enemy and not suppressing the rebels you need to select it and once you do what happens is that the autonomous rebellion suppression cancels so next time after the war you need to place this army where the supply limits are high and click that button again but not just this button you need to also click every single province all over again in order for it to autonomously suppress rebels in every single one of them
>>1916378Excellent b8
>>1915383>Kilwa50 thousand brave Swahili warriors visit Outer Manchuria to help their allies in war>17th centuryHistorical gameplay.
Lol, these niggers attached from my colony and came to a tour around France with my army... Are they stuck with me forever?
>>1916398they know that they are going to get slaughtered in the new world so they decided to just run back
>>1916289your fuckup was not getting GB kicked off the mainland and not having Spain pushed completely into Iberia before absorbing Francehaving them kneecap France to make it easier for you to assume control may seem tempting but make no mistake they are the far bigger threatsyou should've helped France fuck them up to be a non-issues first then recruited them to help you take the French throne as revengethe Orleans event doesn't fire until very late anyway so you mind as well play the long gameif you're still trying to salvage your run go try to bring the Ottomans onboard like the real France did then start farming favors and getting some espionage going to break up alliances webs
>>1916289>I don't know how to tackle Spain and Great BritainWho are GB's allies? If it's nobody special, you honestly should be able to take them 1v1. >i have this ugly spot of Holland on meYou definitely fucked up by not doing more when the BI fired, you should've supported it's independence or something. You also shouldn't have let Provence live. But anyway, who are their allies? Provence almost certainly has non HRE allies in Italy that you can attack.But trying to ally Ottomans/Russia isn't a bad idea either. See if you can rival the Commonwealth. If you can, use the CB to dec them (guaranteeing that Ottos and Russia will want in) and see if you can't use that to force people to break alliance. It's too bad you can't force the Emperor to expel a country from the HRE
Just integrated Fezzan who held the entire Tunis trade node and i cant decide, TC or state it.
>>1916721Oh i forgot to ask cause i never know with this stuff, should i move my trade capital to Constantinople?
csrinru still ok for the game download? been away from gsg threads for so long I didn't even know /vst/ existed
>>1916721>>1916724TC trade centers in tunis until you get the merchant and leave the rest as territories, those provinces are garbage value so it's not wortb wasting gov cap on states, moving trade capital is probably worth it already since Alexandria is a garbage home node that leaks a lot
>kill off shit heir>France immediately uses the favor interaction to request an heir of their dynasty on me>4/5/6>it's not even their dynasty, it's their regent'sthank you France
>>1917133Based Puppetmaster
>>1917133i love when the ottomans do this
Please rate the banner I made for my EU4 autism campaign. It represents the duchy of Transrhenania ruled by a cadet branch of Anjou dynasty, vassal under the Anglo-French Dual Monarchy. It's comprised of territories of former duchies of Hesse, Baden, Württemberg, archbishopric of Mainz and Free City of Frankfurt, with the latter being it's capital.
>average w.euro player
>>1917227I'd be somewhere there.
>>1917227Banners in EU4's timeframe are hard to get right.You want to consolidate a bunch of duchies so you quarter all of their coat of arms together. Makes sense right? Except, duchies don't really have banners or CoAs, those symbols really belong to the dynasties that ruled them historically. So you have to ask yourself, would your Carpet cadet branch really use the lion from the house of Hesse or the... whatever those wiggles are from the house of Wurttemberg? Maybe the answer is yes, it wasn't uncommon for medieval rulers to claim descendency from or perhaps marry a local historical dynasty to strength their legitimacy.
>>1917311I followed the logic of the Russian czars when they just added CoA of conquered territories to the Imperial one (in a very different fashion I admit).
>>1916555>>1916567Thank you for the answers. I will post a screenshot tomorrow, maybe my mistake was that. I wanted to get independent from France as fast as i can, did it, but i was scared to face UK and Spain and later on Holland inherited whole of Burgundy, i had problems with Agressive expansion, so another reason why i went soft on my neigbours. >What is Bl fired?Also, i lost the descision The Fate of Joan of Arc in the menu, i had it, but now i don't. I think it had to do it in the Age of Discovery, so i fucked that also.
>>1916289>>1917325Are you doing le funny feminist France? Cause I don't see any other reason to play France but worse.
eu3 was better
>>1917340It wasn't my intention, i just didn't want to play France itself, but as i said, i missed the feminist event, didn't know it was age restricted. Yeah, Orleans is even worse in the hands of a bad player. Next country i would play might be in the french region again, Burgundy, France maybe? I think i will keep playing until at least clean a bit my borders with Orleans. But i am stuck in all directions.
>>1917344Burgundy is more fun if you want another campaign in that region in my opinion with a nice early mid game goal of forming Lotharingia which is one of the most fun European countries to play as, France is pretty boring since you will immediately crush everyone around you unless your goal is to form a quick Roman Empire or wait until the final age to get all their revolutionary flavor
>>1917325>>What is Bl fired?Burgundian Inheritance.
>>1917419>wait until the final age to get all their revolutionary flavorNTA I am going to try a France game where I make it to 1700 while still having fun. I'm thinking I should set hard limits on my pre-Revolution borders and play kingmaker in Europe after that. Where should those borders be? I'm thinking of absorbing all of the French culture group in Europe, but what subjects should I get and how much should I feed them? Also, what colonies should I go for? French Mexico is kinda OP
>>1917450Caribbeans always look tasty. In my Orleans playthrough i am struggling with, i snatched them from Spaintards, made them Trade colony or whatever it was called and sending to Bordeux trade node, where i collect and it's my main node. Maybe it will be even better, if i could have gone with the cash crops, can't be sure, this is my first time colonizing.
Americas actually kinda suck. It's better to pursue East Indies —> Cape —> West Africa —> English Channel/Cordoba, much more lucrative. Inadvertently tend to do it every game.
>>1917923Try making manufactories and racking up tariffs.
>>1918192Are tariffs related to production?
>>1918195Both trade and production.
>>1917923It's not really worth the effort to colonize the Americas yourself, but the bonus force limit from CNs is very nice and it's fun to stack treasure fleet size modifiers
Just irrationally death-warred against an Ethiopia with a 3 star giga-general. Lost like 300k men and nearly bankrupted myself as a venice with the highest income in the world. Was 5 speeding like an autist because I was so angry. I need to learn how to regulate my emotions.
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/French_events#flavor_fra.106This is so fucking stupidI'm the emperor of the HRE and France can just click a button that forces me either into an union or a random war against my ally that I was completely unprepared for (I took the third option, reload a save and break the royal marriage)
>9.99 morale what the fuck are they feeding those frogs?I didn't even know morale had a cap.
>>1918374correction, it goes even fucking higher how the fuck are they getting those numbers
>>1918374>>1918385Hover over either of those numbers
>>1918386I mean, yeah I know but still. This is fucking ridiculous.It just keeps going up somehow.
Turns out even 10.5 morale isn't enough to win if you're too retarded to fight properly. I have no fucking idea where their army is, apparently they have like 500k soldiers in the field somewhere. Probably stuck in Britain and unable to be transported to the mainland if I were to guess.
>>1918385Lmao you are like a little baby.And consider I have a random debuff for a couple years.
>>1918508>Ahura Mazda mechanics incentivize players to not be aggressive>Eranshar gets special missions to bypass it allClassic PDX
>>1918524>Zoroastrianism is all about good thoughts, good words, and good deeds>Declaring war is higly debated lmao go blob from Viena to Delhi
>>1918528>force converting people (by missionaries or war) is wrong! It goes against the teachings of Zoroaster>we'll even give you no penalties for intolerance to cover it>oh but you can still convert for free, if you wantWhy even bother having it? It effects like 20 years of game time. And you're never going Zoroastrian as anyone but Eranshar. It's like Hussite, there's only 1 tag for that
>>1918530The whole mission tree is a masterpiece of passive aggresiveness>Go conquer Persia because we are the heirs of Timur but zoroastrian>Go conquer Mesopotamia because muh cradle of civilization>Go conquer the Caucasus because... defensive positions or something idk >Go conquer Constantinople because... some Mulsim prophecy that happened 700 years ago even though we specifically took the decision to reject Islam as hard as we could
>>1918537>hey, you can ask other countries to adopt your religion>well, you need special points to do it>those points take years to acquire>no, no other country can passively get others to change religion, only EransharIt's crazy how lazy PDX are. Somewhere beneath it all is a very good game
>>1918235and merchants, don't forget about the extra merchants
>>1918331don't worry anon you are just accurately roleplaying Italylike, VERY accurately
>>1918331>>1918558kek
I will now play venice
>>1918927FEET
>>1918927What mod?
>>1919012https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1326039079Waifu Universalis
>>1918331>t. Mussolini circa February 1937
>>1918927Is Venice even fun to play? I'm pretty sure I've played most of the majors recently except for Portugal and Spain. Never really played anything in Italy though. What's the expansion plan with Venice anyway?
>>1919047I am currently playing Venice and it's fun. The only annoying bit is having to work around Africa. Unless you befriend Egypt first you can't build the Suez until admin tech 22 like everyone else, which makes it incredibly annoying to maintain supply lines to India,.
>>1919050What, can Venice build the Suez early? That's neat, what are the conditions?
>okay so you can buy the newest expansion for 19 shekels OR you can buy the thing you want AND 2 other expansions you don't have for like 9 thank you my swedish masters
>>1919051You have to make friends wth the Mamluks, gives you the opportunity to build it early. Look it up on the wiki.
>>1919072Big biznis.
>>1919073That's cool. You think it's better to annex Byzantium or vassalize them?I read in a guide that you can use them to bait the Ottomans into attacking them as well, after which you vassalize them so you and all your allies get dragged into a defensive war. Ottomans didn't take the bait though.
>>1919151Annex, also take Kosovo it has gold.
>>1919156thought sogonna be a bitch to core though
>>1919047> Never really played anything in Italy though.dunno about venice, but my Papal States game was one of the most fun I had in recent time. Especially if you go for their unique achievement to vassalize all of the religious orders
>high absolutism is a straight up benefit with no real bad sidesSo republics are just dogshit then? I guess I should turn Venice into monarchy.
>>1919265absolutism is overrated af, it's not worth going out of your way to raise the capwith the right reforms you can still get a decent amount as republics but god-rulers that you can reelect forever are worth a lot more
>>1919265Republics have a ton of gov reforms that increase absolutism, you can still max it out, though yes monarchies are obviously going to be better at blobbing, Venice's special republic type is also extremely broken so you should not really be switching out of it
>>1919274>monarchies are obviously going to be better at blobbingWhich is kinda silly when republics are more aggressive and blobby
>>1919265Republic's wizards can channel more mana.
>>1919271>>1919274>>1919284So I'm guessing I should take consolidation of power to keep the chief wizard on the throne longer and also aim to maximize republican tradition gain then? Or is straight up disallowing elections better?
>>1919292You want elections as a republic because the law of averages is what makes you better than a monarchy (though I wonder how true this still is when it feels like every major power gets a guaranteed 5/5/5).
Currently playing Muscovy -> Russia, around 1450. Fighting Novgorod (who I easily stackwiped with 1k casualties on the onset of the war), Ryazan and Great Horde. I know I'll win this war, it's not a question in my view. However, I have a decent amount of money in my coffers and only 10k manpower. I want to preserve my manpower in case I need it for a future war with Khazan or anyone else. Do you think it would be worth it to take out some mercs to fight a battle with the Great Horde for me, just to preserve manpower? Would be expensive, but might be worth it so I can sustain further conquests. I figure at this early stage in the game there's not much worth spending money on besides mercs for war.
>>1919320>would be worth it to take out some mercs to preserve manpower?That is pretty much THE reason to use mercs.
>>1919320That's what you're supposed to do. The provinces in Russia are so shit at the start that regular warfare would drain your manpower through attrition.
there should really be a way to fix vassalized byz so that they aren't uniquely useless
>>1919320Also to pile on what other anons have said merc early is something you should always do even if you take on a little debt to do it. Professionalism that early on is useless (If you even have it to start) and the tempo you get from having your manpower is worth it in the longrun.
local bully not so tough after having his straits blockaded
>>1919861You should've taken that one final coastal province so Ottos can't deal with any rebels that spawn in their European holdings although I understand if you don't want to abuse that strat since it's too meta
New player, when playing a small nation I feel like I am just waiting for time to pass by most times, is this normal? What should I be doing?
>>1919911>when playing a small nation I feel like I am just waiting for time to pass by most times, is this normal?yes, there's not a lot you can do as a small nation without taking risks, you just generally don't have the manpower and economy to take the initiative and you can only really wait until you tech/dev up a bit and do diplo until the situation changes in your favor. if you can get a big strong ally you can sometimes rely on them to carry you in your wars against your rivals and mooch land of their conquests>What should I be doing?If you want to get ballsy, take out a bunch of loans, build an army (hire mercs if you need to) and no cb your neighbors. do this a couple of times and maybe you'll have grown enough to be relevant. as a minor nation the stab cost for a no cb is a non-issue and you probably won't get far enough for ae to be a problem
>>1919409vassalized byz is very useful for cb on ottos, just do their missions for them and then integrate after you've gotten them back their cores
>>1919922That is what I thought, thanks
Is France the hardest start in the game? It's like every single fucking aspect of the country and the mission tree is entirely dependent on RNG.
>>1919934>Is France the hardest start in the game
>>1919934what
>>1919934It's literally the easiest nation to play in the game except for Castille, and all Castille does the entire game is press "Send Colonist" every couple years.
>>1919934Yes anon, a major nation with easy access to the new world, insane army modifiers and positioned right next to the most lucrative trade node in the game is actually the hardest country to play.
Disregarding the noob, is Dahomey the hardest start? Perhaps an OPM vassal or Arabian minor?
>>1919956Nothing is had with da homeys.
>>1919956Vassals are relatively easy because getting support for independence is way easier to get than alliances and the AI can't refuse your call to arms.
I hate thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhWEqQSjPM8it lives in my head rent free and I can't get rid of it
>>1919995I turned the music off when I first started playing and I haven't turned it on since.
>>1919997>>1919995EU4 has a few bangers but there's also sooo much garbage specially if you pirated/bought the full game since that includes all the terrible music packs with vocals and moaning, I've also had music disabled since forever ago
>>1919995spotted an Indian tralalallalalalaalallallaalallaallallalaa
how do I do this
If i give Siena Rome will they get the diplo rep penalty or will it pass to me.>>1919877Its a benefit if they never held Constantinople because they will keep Edirne as the capital if they still have sea access. Much easier warscore when fighting them
>>1919934I'm pretty sure there are zero RNG reliant factors in a France run aside from Burgundy, you are already pretty much the strongest power in the region from day 1 and you only get more broken with your national ideas and mission modifiers, I would even say it's the easiest nation to play as from the recommended ones aside from afk portugal
>>1920100It's your 4th national idea, just fill out more idea slots
>>1920240Doesn't the papacy have some weird event where they can ask to get Rome back or something? I wouldn't risk giving it to an AI.If you don't want the penalty you can simply wait until reformation hits and convert.
You guys weren't kidding, Venice is busted.I'm making so much fucking money that I have no idea what to spend it on and it's only 1530. Probably the first time I've seen myself reach rank 1 in score too. It's almost cheating.
>>1919925it's easier, better and lower ae to just fight ottos straight up, take land to rebel release byz and bulgaria then full annex them both imothe rebel shit is just so annoying
>>1920310I did something like that in my Mamluk's game i wrapped up and they still had a shitload of orthodox rebels. Some of that stuff carries over even after they're wiped out.
The Orleans player, decided to try Burgundy, followed Red Hawk's one. Shit is strong. I am about to join the HRE via mission tree, but this time i won't give Castille a chance to develop that much, once i get the boats, UK is going down and then revenge to everyone and everything. Sieg heil!
>>1919925Make sure NOT to convert them from Orthodox to another religion as they will immediately slap a privilige to the Orthodox that will give -100% progress to converting them, without any significant boost in tolerance. This'll cause the Byzantines to explode in rebellions forever with no way to get rid of the Orthodox provinces, which are the root cause.
>>1920499I can post the save file just before you press Abdicate and Burgundy inherits everything, all you have to do is do a conquest casus beli against France, so the HRE doesn't demand Low Lands or whatever they go with. It's like 1484.
I can't understand how you chaps are playing vanilla, it feels so bland and empty after AB and Troonbennar.
>>1920504If you pick religious ideas the AI revokes that privilege. What I usually do is pick the idea, convert a few provinces, then switch to the idea group I actually wanted without spending any mana, and then repeat this process whenever I unlock a new idea group slot.
>>1920560I will try Ante Bellum for sure. What is the starting year of it? It can't be 1444.
>>1920560Real history is always more interesting and vanilla has a familiar and balanced feel ... is what I'd like to say, but with all the ridiculous mission trees they added, the balance part is kind of out of the window, it's as bad as some mods
Any mod that allows me to play the reconquista but include the world map besides the extended timeline mod?
>>1920688Ante Bellum.>>1920581It's 1444.
>>1920693>Ante BellumDo you have any experience with Voltaires Nightmare? If so how do they compare?
>>1920560I get overwhelmed playing Anbennar because I don't know the setting very well. Like I know in EU4 that if I'm playing a German minor it would be sensible to focus on uniting Germany, but it's hard to tell in Anbennar what I should be doing aside from following the mission tree.Also the minority expulsion/tolerance stuff triggers my autism
Is forming Italy as Venice and adopting their missions and ideas even a good thing?
>>1920950As I understand it, Italy is one of the best nations for blobbing and is prime candidate to reform Rome, but you probably won't be making as much money as Venice
>>1920952Yeah but, I probably want to finish up as many of Venice's missions as I can before I press the button right?I have more than enough money anyway.
One reason why i love this game so much. Just minding my own business attacking Genoa and this pops up out of nowhere completely shifting things. Didn't even notice England was at risk for this. Also, if you're the overlord of England do you get the Anglican event if your catholic? Anglican Italy might be a fun meme.
>>1921164Anglican can't spawn if England is a subject in any way. IIRC it could still spawn if Scotland is independent
I think it's retarded that you need Venice and Rome cored to form Italy considering historically Italy was formed and existed for years without owning either and that Venice in the present day is still very regionalistic but since the concept of a unified Italy didn't really exist in the time period of EU4 I understand why the requirements would be different.
>>1921164>Denmark-England Unionvgh... let it happen anon
what are the conditions for the ottoman eyalet mamluk event? Ottomans are the warleader here, if I cap Qahirah myself am I safe from it?
>>1921216No it's just retarded without justifications.The Kingdom of Italy formally existed as part of the Holy Roman Empire, and becoming king of Italy could and should be the objective of any expansionistic Italian minor as it was in reality.The basic requirements should be controlling the capital (Milan/Pavia) and being the hegemonic power in Northern and Central Italy. When you're de facto king of Italy, you just need the Pope and/or Emperor to recognize it and the next natural step is actually conquering the rest of the lands south of the Alps.Venice shouldn't be a requirement because they were never part of any kingdom.The devs didn't think any of it through and just made it the 19th century state with ahistorical requirements and a Napoleonic flag.
Why do some youtubers outright ignore summoning the diet? Do players also don't care about that?
>>1921446I don't think they ignore it. They just don't film themselves doing it.
>>1911830Can I play Anbennar without knowing how to play EU4 or do I need to know how to play EU4 first?
>>1921472Ask in the Anbennar thread.
>>1921309Dont know if you found out or not but they have to hold Cairo for 3 months or something.
Any advice on where to build forts?
>>1921636you don't generally need to build forts, you need to destroy forts that the ai has built in your newly conquered land
Remember when forts didn't break pathfinding? Good times.
>>1921623>they have to hold Cairo for 3 yearsftfy
>>1921636Don't
>>1921446I pretty much never do it. One time I pressed it every time as soon as possible and then I realized it also increases faction influence and it almost got me to 100%.
>>1921636>>1921668The fort holds the enemy still so you can attack them on your preferred terrain. Use them to either limit the enemy army's movements, or to force them to keep large numbers of troops stationary in inconvenient locations.
>>1921636On your flanks wherever your forces aren't present, so the AI can't walk across half the world and teleport behind you without facing you directly.Otherwise you'll end up with this >>1915371>>1915383
Don't AI ignore forts' control zones? Like, I remember them going past castles just fine.
>>1921699No, those are usually due to edge cases like border forts and adjacent forts.
uhhyeah good luck with that buddy
>>1921710Looks manageable. Who's on Austria's side?
>>1921713I couldn't even make sense of this pop up so I pressed yes to see what happens.Doesn't look that bad but the protestants are the ones who declared so they must think they're superior. Poland and Lithuania aren't involved at all and France is only red because I started a war with them before this. That might have kicked the out of their league since Austria was already at war with them before the league war.Do I still get bonuses after this if I accept without being a member of a league before the war?
>>1921710most of those are just OPMs or only have a few provinces, should be easy enough to just occupy and peace out most of them. Bohemia and Sweden should be the only real issues
>>1921728>>1921730oh i didn't see france and england in the pop up screencap, you might be screwed lmao
>>1921731France isn't in the league war and they're pretty much fucked anyway. I declared on them just to get a truce for that one mission and 2 provinces in Piedmont.
>>1921728If France is out, then it's an easy war. Keep Austria from shitting itself in Switzerland and aggressively stackwipe. England is a notoriously shitty ally.
my first eu4 campaign :)im doing well i think, havent looked at guides much but i savescum a lot, beat france (former #1 great power) in a defensive war after realizing how OP forts are when the AI has precisely 1 behavior: "slam all my units into the forts and hope for the best" so i just turtled up in my region until france had lost about 50% of their manpower and they white peaced and somewhere along there lost their #1 great power status (TO ME NIGGA), and before they declared white peace the polish satans declared war on me, after which i immediately peaced out france and started treating them to the same strategy. all of this took like 30 years but left my only rivals crippled so it's got to be worth it.
>>1921562There's an Anbennar thread?
>Austria breaks alliance with me despite being in a league war together >they REALLY want 3 provinces I just got from the ottomans in Anatolia >they don't have claims or cores on them >they don't border them >they don't border them through the sea >they're not even in the same fucking trade node or anythingFuck you bitches, I hope you choke on the 4k gold I sent you. I hope you lose the fucking war now and get dethroned.Thanks Paradox.
>>1921688>I realized it also increases faction influence and it almost got me to 100%.You can still manage it
>>1921764>3 month later they no longer want the provinces and offer an alliance Literally Woman: The Country.
>>1921764You know what you have to do now anon, dismantle that shitty empire
>>1921772I can't do anything against them since we're in the war together, but I can sit on my ass and watch them get sieged down.Time for the Czechs to rule Germany.
>>1921764>sending Austria that much money>when you could just fight the war yourselfAct like an ATM, get treated like one
>>1921789spend money, not manpower :^)I wish I could pay the Czechs to keep the war going, but they don't want me to peace out on terms that aren't batshit insane.
>>1921793>spend money, not manpower :^)Spend money ON manpower.Make things happen in your own time. Make the world do as you demand.
it's over austriabros
>>1921799>losingI'm ashamed of you
>>1921801I'm helping the Czechs by not helping Austria actually.Who could expect Venice to be a sneaky rat?
>>1921802Are they paying you? What do you get out of them winning?
>>1921803I'm protestant so I get bonuses if protestant league wins and Austria gets weaker meaning I can steal their coast easier and link up my country by land.Sure, I lose the league war, but I think that's worth it.
>>1921806Why did you join the war on their side and give them 4k ducats when you could've just declared a simultaneous war and taken everything?
>>1921809That was a miscalculation. I wanted the war to be a draw at first, but then Austria sperged out and broke alliance over 3 provinces I took from the Ottomans.So now I'd rather have them gone than have an "ally" like that. It's not like 4k is a lot when you make 130 monthly.
>>1921813You're still their ally lol
>>1921815This has been debunked.
So much for Austria. They've had a good run I guess.What a mess.
>>1921784Do you like this map mod? I was looking at it earlier particularly because I like the font, but the province names are all fucked up, you can see in this screenshot the giant "PAVIA" and "Montferrat" covering about 3 provinces, it really bothers me.
>>1921846They get fucked up sometimes, but if you edit them yourself they go back to normal. Can't do that unless you control the province though.It doesn't bother me that much.
>>1921699AI can by pass ZOC directly if there is an alternative route available. e.g. Let's say you (France) are at war with AI Austria, who has armies in the Austrian Netherlands. If this army could reach Paris by walking down through Germany, then a gap in the forts around Switzerland, and then back up to Paris; then, they can walk directly from Antwerp to Paris
>Venice to La Serenissima vs Venice to ItalyWhat do I think about this?
>>1921938their ideas are pretty similar but italy is better for blobbing while the most serene republic is for trade focused. i personally would go with italy, the extra forcelimits from la serenissima isn't necessary when you get can plenty of forcelimit by just owning all of italy, in most cases italian ideas are a straight upgrade to serene ones although you could always just form italy later as the most serene republic
>>1921740you will have a lot more fun if you don’t savescum
>>1921960losing a war to a great power that will just keep growing and growing (france/commonwealth) isn't fun.
>>1921962NTA but you're the Ottomans. You could lose 10 wars completely and still be the #1 GP
>>1921966france was #1 for like hundreds of years and was busy absorbing and expanding east. if i let that go then eventually i think france owns all of europe until they connect with poland their allies and at that point i will have to fight like 1 million fielded troops and several million manpower. losing was just not an option for me.
it’s the AI, you can always catch up. keep savescumming if you want but your life has less value than people who don’t savescum
>>1921992>>1921992are you talking to me? >>1921969why wouldn't i savescum? also if you think losing is more fun than winning then i don't think your opinion is worth anything.
little pathetic to savescum to “win” against terrible AI
>>1921992>>1922005why aren't you using the quote function? are you a tourist from some tranny general where this is normal?
Does alt+f4 count as save scumming?
>>1922207Yeah
>>1922207No. Man, Red Hawk himself said you can save scum, everyone does it, no shame in doing it. So i take his words for it. I even have a save scum folder, it's part of the game.
>>1922334It counts as save scumming but with all the RNG in this game its okay to do it from time to time. Hell even turbo autists like Florry do it.
>>1921243Never. Also not bad ae all things considered. I had to go like 30 over naval force limit to create 2 fodder navies that held the line while my troops landed on England. But they never have armies on the island.
save scumming lost wars and bad events takes the game out of eu4. if you need to win at all times for free and without any challenge that’s fine but dont pretend it isn’t embarrassing.
>>1922637Play mp already
mp with your bros is the best way to play any gsg. especially when you dont handhold each other or savescum.
>>1922645Unfortunately most /gee ess gees/ have terrible netcode and don't make an effort to be stable/debugged and balanced for multiplayer. You'll have to rehost every 10-20 minutes and there's always that one guy that takes too long on their turn or wants the game to be set to 1 or 2 speed all the time. Plus campaigns just take too long, multiplayer Europa Universalis games rarely go past the 1500s in my experience. I've considered getting into game development simply because I think a gsg designed around competitive or cooperative multiplayer would be a profitable niche but I don't know how to do netcode and it might be outside the scope of hobbyist indie dev.
I play with my boomer friends from another continent and we rarely need to rehost. I agree that gsg’s have a lot of issues but some of them aren’t really issues if your friends have decent pcs and net
Larping as rome in 1670 ain't easy.I think it's time to lay low for the next 100 years or so.
>>1922659>200 AE >divided by a 3.3 yearly decrease >~60 years of being cucked out of doing anything before most of them drop out of coalition >assuming they don't dec on me as soon as truces with France and Bohemia expire How fucking dare they threaten my peaceful country like this?
>>1922661>>~60 years of being cucked out of doing anything before most of them drop out of coalitionIf you stop now and don't gain another point of AE, there's a certain period of time where the AE penalty will time out and drop off, as long as you don't cause it to tick up any further. I think it's like 15 years or 25 years or something like that. I haven't played EU4 in forever.
>>1922659>enemies with the germans, egyptians, and numidiansit's like pottery
why does eu4 have so many weeb trannies in its playerbase? i checked the official discord and it's full of them. mind you it's not just discord zoomers, i am also part of several large gaming related discords and they dont exhibit the same issue
>>1922671eu4 heavily appeals to autists and autists are the group most likely to be weebs and trannies
the weeb trannies are the ones who interact with social media more. the player base contains just as many geeky boomers as tranny zoomers.
>>1922689>>1922685it was just a mild culture shock to me, i am new to eu4 and i had assumed its full of millenials/boomers that have a vague interest in history like me
it mostly is. just the internet is the only place that accepts the trannies and cucks so they talk more and louder than everyone else.
>>1922671A lot of them are autists and autists are very easy to groom into being trannies. I don't know what the other anons are talking about being a weebs being trannies, in my experience they just pretend to like anime so they can be activists in it.
>>1922695>i had assumed its full of millenials/boomers that have a vague interest in history like meYeah we exist but paradox has been so shit lately that the fanbase is kinda shattered and scattered around.
Anime website
does anyone know an up to date mod that replaces the vanilla country flags with more historical and accurate ones?
>>1922671The "conservative right winger to tranny" pipeline.
>>1922843You wish that was a thing lmfao
>>1922770I don't know of any updated one, I use Sille's Flag Pack which is not very extensive but still changes it up a little
i don't save scum bad events or ruler death or anything like that, but i will roll back a war that ended up making more sense on paper than in reality since the ai hates white peace
>>1923001That's backwards for me, I can deal with my own strategic mistakes but when it's pure RNG like institution spawning I'm fine with savescumming. Events are rarely impactful enough to warrant doing it unless it's some railroaded/mission crap that I forgot existed.
>>1923006>strategic mistakesfor me the mistake is usually just forgetting that the allied ai will always try to actively fuck the war effort over>institution spawningi will admit to savescumming colonialism if i'm in asia
My most common savescum is declaring with the wrong CB
Are old 2D EU games (EU1 & 2 and FtG) worth playing in MMXXIV+1? For the reference, my first PDX game was EU3 back in 2010, and I think I've played it more than I've played EU4.
>>1923001>since the ai hates white peaceThis is why I play without ironman
>>1921668>attack and attack and attack some moreMotto of Joffre and Nivelle, people who nearly lost the Great War.
>mfw quitting the game after losing a war... before even
>>1923137>nearly lostOdd way of saying "won"
>>1923170>"won"Not them, they got replaced by Foch and Pétain (who got to personally deal with mutinies that were directly caused by "glorious" Nivelle Offensive). Although Foch was the same "j'attaque"-madman.
>>1923244>Foch was the same "j'attaque"-madman.Because that was the winning move. No point sitting in Flanders and letting Fritz occupy Belgium, you need to push him out
>>1923135I started with EU1 and played a substantial amount of EU2, even multiplayer. They are interesting historical curiousities if you're into that kind of thing, but otherwise not really.EU2 is very event-driven. Spain struggles with bankruptcy and inflation events in the 1600s. Russia has the Time of Troubles. Austria inherits the lowlands, gives it away to Spain, then the Dutch rebel. It's all very educational, and it can serve to keep the game in line with actual history, or it can become increasingly absurd as the events stop fitting what is actually going on in the game. Either way, sometimes it feels like you're playing the events more than you're playing the game. This makes it a different experience from the more freeform EU3, though, so it might be worth trying.EU1 doesn't have EU2's railroading events, but it's more tightly tied to history in other ways. Russia gets cheaper infantry. Portugal gets floods of colonists in the first two centuries which dry up towards the end of the game, while England gets the opposite. You want to play an England more focused on the continent? Too bad, your advantages and disadvantages are what they are. Major and minor powers are treated differently: majors can't be annexed, and minors aren't playable at all. EU2 is more historically interesting and EU3 is a better game, which doesn't leave much reason to play this.I never played FtG, but my impression is that it's basically AGCEEP, which is EU2 with even more historical events.
>>1922659I think I might abandon the Rome run. Juggling truces is just not fucking fun.I managed to grab everything I needed off Bohemia and in about 7 years when truce with the emperor expires I'll be able to dismantle the HRE. There was also a quick war with France and Lithuania just to truce lock them, but at some point I must have slept through the truce date and France joined the coalition.At some point Tunis also left the coalition for a bit, and since they were allied with the Mameluks I managed to drag them into a war as well and truce block them after taking like 3 provinces in Syria. Problem is their truce is up in 3 years after the emperor's truce is up and I'm not sure I can dismantle the HRE within 3 years.Castille is the only country that doesn't give a fuck about my AE, but combined with Portugal and that red blob in Africa they're an absolute juggernaut that I don't feel comfortable taking on while having the rest of Europe breathing down my neck.Outlined in red are all my territorial gains in like 20 years or so. The pace of acquiring new land is fucking glacial.
>>1923423>EU2 is very event-driven. Spain struggles with bankruptcy and inflation events in the 1600s. Russia has the Time of Troubles. Austria inherits the lowlands, gives it away to Spain, then the Dutch rebel. It's all very educational, and it can serve to keep the game in line with actual history, or it can become increasingly absurd as the events stop fitting what is actually going on in the game. Either way, sometimes it feels like you're playing the events more than you're playing the game.>EU2 is more historically interestingNot that anon but I would be interested in maybe playing this, do the events actually give historical background? It would be fun to play purely for history autism if so, maybe I could learn something.
>>1923503niga just read a book
>>1923510fuck you reading books is gay and boringplaying historical vidya is fun and educational
>>1923511think of event. cool ass event you read about in EUWhat if I told you, you could read this event for 6 hours straight?
>>1922659>>1923441both of you have a weaksauce poland and france and strong russkia, is that how it usually goes if AI controls ottomans? i'm ottomans and for some reason russia is having trouble despite me never touching them, but france and poland are both taking over europe
>>1923532That's the same game and it's not really what happens every time, France is consistently one of the strongest powers in Europe until the player intervenes, Russia is just a coinflip because of the somewhat difficult starting position they have so it depends on a lot of things if the AI is successful, usually only one of PLC or Russia will stay strong because they have to directly contest eachother in Europe
>>1923532Mate I killed the Ottomans, what are you talking about?If you let the Ottomans live they'll blob the fuck out all over the map and by 1700 they'll have 1 million men in the field. Neutering them by taking Byzantium was literally my first move in the game.
>>1923512that sounds boring as hell to be desu
>>1923532Also another way to put it, you know Stellaris? They're basically an endgame crisis when played by AI. Ottomans, France, Commonwealth/Russia (depending on whether Poland does the funny) are the four horsemen of the apocalypse of pretty much every game.They had a rework that was supposed to weaken them after midgame, but it does fuck all. I've never seen anyone stand up to the Ottomans and win.
>>1923544>>1923545Right, I'm the guy who posted their game a few days ago, the coalition overlay fucked me up I thought someone with a dark blue country color posted a similar game.Also I get that you're meant to ally france as ottomans early but I didn't do that, I didn't push north aggressively enough so austria and hungary both got absorbed by poland, and a bunch of minors by venice as well so I had a giga poland/france allied with venice to my north, I managed to grind all their armies down with forts and lots of savescumming and altho bunch of people didn't like that, I think it's still the best thing I could've done in my campaign since I really have no reference on how much you can take losses as ottoman and still come back, especially vs. poland since their troops all have retardedly high stats vs. mine.
>>1923548I can't comment much since I've less than 100hrs in paradox games but to me the AI in these games play way too good for its own good, but at the same time it's the most retarded thing ever. They can micro 100 individual stacks perfectly to avoid attrition and then converse into a battle they know they will win because the AI can just read the combat strength and add up the algorithms so it will never commit units to a "bad fight" and it was fucking driving me nuts early on. I played HOI4 earlier before EU4 and even though you have the same retarded decisions done by the AI there (like trying to naval invade into an encirclement for the entire war) you can't just converge into a big blob all of a sudden, you can exploit openings in the battle lines and then cause a ripple effect.
>>1923549As Ottomans you will never really be out of the game unless maybe you mishandle the Janissary disasters because they are the strongest country by far most of the time, sounds like your mistake was just not expanding enough in the early game and pushing your advantage, Ottomans have the best armies early because of their Anatolian tech group and they also get siege ability+cannons to finish off sieges and wars faster so pretty much every war you fight will be extremely easy, if you sit around not doing much and let your neighbours get strong you will be put in a difficult position as any country, just take it as a learning experience since not every campaign needs to be won
>>1923556Thing is, I fought 2 wars and killed 2.5M soldiers from poland/venice/france combined (also forcing them to break alliances) so they are essentially crippled and should fall to my next war, I enjoy the attrition aspect, one of the best feelings in HOI4 was slowly kiling soviets over time having them crash into your lines and chopping their stacks up, drawing the massive blobs into your land and then attacking them while they're sieging a fort in defensive terrain is like the eu4 version of that, it's cheap free dopamine, I doubt I will play ottomans again so I want to get the pax ottoman and finish the mission tree, and it's not that far out of reach for me unless the AI pulls some joker and has france ally with russia or something to kill me, although I still have faith my forts will keep me safe lmao.
romanbros we're so fucking back, the entire coalition fell apart the second I dismantled the HRE Literally expanding faster than I can core, I think they might be too scared to make a coalition at this point because i'm just tanking AE and nothing happens.Pretty much all that's left is to mop up Iberia, France, take the rest of Egypt and grab whatever I need from the Rhine area. I don't think I need to invade GB, that should get me to 425 provinces.
>>1923565>Not taking BritianBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>1923648Why would anyone even want to go there? Even Caesar fucked off once he saw the b*itons.
>>1923665He left but Rome didn't.
>>1923648I love when swarthy italiacks racemix with Anglos.Beautiful cloakum gentum is born aka NEW YORK will be in britain in 1700
>>1923669Yeah you can tell due the close and candid personality of Brits and their awesome food.
>>1923678>and their awesome food.The italians ate lard drizzled with olive oil and fermented fish sauce (which I actually like a lot and eat daily).
>>1923670I don't even know what this means...
>>1923648Have you considered that by that point the game is just boring?
>>1923699duty trumps entertainment, Imperator! :^)
>>1923503It's not that much different from, say, EU4. You know how EU4 has wars of succession built into the game mechanics, but also has some hard-coded event chains for things like the Burgundian inheritance? EU2 doesn't have the former, so it makes do with a bunch of the latter. It also doesn't have randomised monarchs or generals, so Spain is getting Charles II in 1665, and he's going to die in 1700, and there are events about the War of the Spanish Succession that kick off around that time that hand out casus belli to everyone involved. I think Spain might also have the option to go alternate-history at that point and choose the Habsburg line, but it's been 20 years and my memory is vague.The AGCEEP mod, and by extension I assume For the Glory, goes pretty deep into the event autism weeds, so you may want to look into that.
Redpill me on fun nations in Asia.
>>1923745So, the island OPM that could (bring down Ming singlehanded)
Are the Russian Steppe hordes any fun? I've only played as the Manchu/mongol ones>>1923745Any daimyoJainzhouMahapajitSome jeet nations Any of the Timurid states into MughalsWhat more would you like to know?
>>1923765>Are the Russian Steppe hordes any fun? I've only played as the Manchu/mongol onesthey play pretty much the same. your best option early game is still to blob towards ming, it just takes a little longer since you're far awayonly worth playing for achievements imo
>>1923745Ternate
>>1923820Dont listen to that Ternate scum, play Tidore.
>>1923828Shut up Tiodore peasant, play Makassar
Africa getting content was worth the frame drops just because we got this art.
JANNIEsaries
Did a little pivot in my Savoy ->S-P campaign and flipped to France after i ate them since i did Italy recently. But its one of those situations i could keep going but outside Venice and the Pope all my expansion options are,>Spain (annoying to get warscore on)>HRE (Large Bohemia Emperor + Every provence in HRE has a level 20 fort by now.)>Everybody that borders me allying PLCEngland is my pu fyi. Just one of those "I could win these but at what cost of fun." Also, i didn't know that Ragusa could form Dalmatia
this must be the first time I've seen ai form two sicillies
>>1924032it's time to fight the ottoblob
>POV: It's 1700s and you take 3 provinces in a peace deal
Thank fucking god, I did it. This last stretch took forever. Too bad I couldn't get the Carthago delenda est cheevo together with Mare Nostrum, but oh well. At least the harder part is out of the way.I can finally play something else.
>>1924121It's not over until you remove those enclaves and make your map look pretty
>>1924124Nah man, can't be bothered. All the allies have abandoned me since I started permanently being at over 100% overextension like 20 years ago and another pan-European coalition has formed. I'm not going to fight a giant retard war over 3 provinces in Bavaria and Spain.
Did they add any sort of formable to Bohemia? I always want to play there but at the same time i think they might have my least favorite map color in the game.
>>1924178There's Great Moravia I guess. Has pretty neat ideas too.They have like a neon red color or something like that, so that should make it more interesting.
>>1924178just Renovatio Imperii, Bohemia has that imperial authority growth bonus in their ideas and they're an elector so it should be pretty easy to become and stay the emperor, once you do that the ugly color is gone
>>1924182What's overextention impact? Like you get less unrest and stuff?
>>1924215All the negative modifiers from overextension are reduced, works below 100% as well.
>>1924182With that and the absolutism buff that feels like an underrated world conquest set. If only it had CCR.
>>1924187>Bohemia>easy to become and stay the emperori seriously hope you aren't suggesting not going hussite anon
eu5 will flop
>>1924221Overtexnsion modifiers don't matter, what's impactful are the events when you're over 100%, and a tiny bit of absolutism won't thread the needle either.>>1924347No one asked shitposter.
>>1924344A blobbing Hussite Bohemia is of roughly equal strength to that of a Catholic HRE Bohemia, there's not really any reason to go for one over the other except larping and maymays
>>1924344I went Hussite decentralized HRE in a recent campaign, I wouldn't say it's difficult but God the events to change the HRE's religion to Hussite are so broken I had to use console commands to fix things.
>>1924221As the other guy said, overextension impact is just a wasted idea. Stab hit events are the real killers and it does nothing against them.At the end of the day you're still going to have rebels out the ass if you get overextended enough.
>>1924170https://store.steampowered.com/app/2772750/Age_of_History_3/
>>1924353larping and maymays are like 60% of the game's appeal though
>>1924347Without a doubt on my side!
How much do you guys play in Americas?
>>1923745Yarkand. Trade game. Try to spawn Global Trade in your home node
>>1924381Rarely. All the colonial nations play exactly the same, and none of the natives apart from Aztec or Inca are fun to play as
>>1924381playing as a colonial nation and forming some country like brazil or usa is fun in theory but takes too long to do anything. aztec and inca are actually fun with dlc. besides those guys, no. it sucks
>tfw teutons AE raped me by giving three HRE provinces in a previous wart-thanks
>>1924381I played one time as a North American tribe, got confused by the unintuitive native mechanics and never touched them again, Aztec Maya and Inca only a few times as well and I've never tried playing a colonial nation because it sounds kinda boring
>>1924503>>1924537>>1924626The first game I played in EU4 was Guarani and since then I mostly play outside Europe/Old World, as Crusader Kings is where I play Old World
>>1924381I played my tribe in EU4 once and blobbed over most of North America by the end of the game. It was a neat change of pace but ultimately not that fun. A long time at the start with very little to do and very slow expansion, then a period of slightly faster expansion, then a brief period of fun fighting off the colonial powers, then eventually just boring blobbing. Then again, I don't find EU4 especially fun anyways, much prefer V2.
>>1924630I enjoy playing in Africa and Asia more than Europe in this game but New World nations have almost no content or flavor aside from Aztec/Maya/Inca, at most 2 or 3 events so every playthrough is pretty much the same and you spend a lot of time just doing nothing, especially Australia which just has the shitty native mechanics but there are only like 5 other tribes you can fight and colonizers dont come until 1600s or something so you are unable to do anything
>>1924633>blobbingYeah that gets boringPlayig tall is much more fun. A recent Alaska only Haida run was very fun for me
ew it replied to me
>>1924649The main reason to blob when you're on the East Coast is to try to block off the Europeans, because if you don't block them off and don't convert to worshipping the jews they will spend the rest of the game warring you. I forget what the CB is because I haven't played in forever, it's some kind of colonial conquest CB against non-Christian New World nations.
>>1924381Once upon a time I took a bunch of xanax and had the comfiest Apache game on the west coast. We fought many wars with the portuguese and won every single one. Our small empire prospered and ruled the area.
>>1924381I sometimes like to do the broken Aztec mission tree meme so that I can get better troops as an old world country. Never even done a proper Aztecs game though.
>>1924381Whatever they call the Irquois needs flavor also I hate the federation system, was too boring. But I loved playing there and chilling.
If you think playing as new world natives is bad in EU4 I dare you to play as new world natives in EU3. You literally can't expand unless you get lucky enough for a CoT to move to a coastal province due to occupation and you only hope is getting land military tech 3 for forts before Euros come which is extremely difficult because you get a -90% tech speed modifier, start at tech level 0, and research speed is decided solely by income.Natives are still boring as fuck in EU4 but at least there's some modicum of interactivity and you're not completely helpless.
2 questions frens. First one, i click this, right? Decline of Hanseantic League, i just tell them to fuck off?
>>1924973Second question. I have just 2 territories left to form Lotharingia, i can attack GB and cobelligerent Freisland for 2 territories, Aggressive expansion will jump a bit, i can do reconquest for my vassals cores of Wales and Nothingburger. Also, am i kind of late for forming Lotharingia, or i am doing fine? I can push for a war, had a stupid war with Austria, that Aragorn dragged me in. Anyway, am i doing fine, just 5-10 years and i can form Lotharingia.
How are they moving trough that strait?
>>1924973Yes>>1924976You're doing fine since HRE expansion is always gonna be pretty slow>>1925004>How are they moving trough that strait?You need to occupy at least one province on either side of the strait to block it
>>1925009Fucking Aachen left man... what a bullshit. Btw, the moment i move my ships out of the blockade, they start moving troops over the strait, even tho i occupy everything.
Should i press that button bros? I am scared...
I think rivalry system is the dumbest addition to the game. Allies suddenly betray you, far away countries you're never seen hate you, some starts even require reloading, all because AI (and player) HAS to set a random country as an absolute enemy. Dumb, stupid, absolutely idiotic mechanic.
>>1925041It would have helped if you could set the type of rivalry as in:>Rivalry (peer nation): This nation sees you as their equal and will use you as a watermark to compare itself too>Rivalry (trade): This nation sees you as a trade competitor and while not openly hostile or interested in your lands, they will do wars that limit your trade power.>Rivalry (conquest): self-explanatory>Rivalry (defennse): This nation sees you as a threat to their security but is not overtly interested in dismantling you.Stuff like that.
I also hate how every nation has the same level of technology, it doesn't matter if it's England, some tribe in South America or a Chinese breakaway warlord, everyone is same. Everyone gets knowledge of metallurgy at the same time. Tech groups were cumbersome to play with, but at least that way Euros had the advantage they should have.
>>1925045Quit being such a pretentious moron trying to sound cool.
>>1925047It wasn't aware that having opinions was that.
>>1925041Rivalry was a thing as far back as EU3, it was bullshit because you couldn't chose your rivals but at least you could still do some diplomacy since it was just a monthly decrease in relations instead of tanking it. It was only good for the random missions and events that would give you cores on any rival you bordered.I do agree that the way it was implemented in EU4 is complete garbage. Just because some countries were historically rivals doesn't mean that every country should have a rival. It should really be an optional system at least. Plenty of countries would just become rivals organically anyways because of conflicting interests, no need to hardcode in a rivalry system for that.
>>1925004If an enemy controls both sides of the strait then they can move through it even if you blockade it.Which is pretty fucking bullshit to me, you try transporting 200k soldiers through the water while a war fleet sits just off the coast.Makes invading britbongs a total pain in the ass unless you can transport all your troops onto the island before the war starts.
>>1925088I invaded trough Scotland with Alliance tho. Got enough to release Wales and Nothingburger.
>>1925088But yeah, i get what you mean, sorry for my dumb post.
>>1925092Yeah no problem. It's always nice to keep Scotland on life support to have easy access to England, else they just stack wipe you one by one as you move units across the sea.
Ooops, strange numbers on my Spy Network in Castille. Wonder what that means.
Chonky Lotharingia. How do i know when protestant League war starts? I am the Emperor peasants.
>>1925197Religious leagues will start forming at some point and you will get an event telling you that, you don't have to do anything, the Protestant league leader has to declare on you, if a long time passes without them declaring then the religion is automatically set to yours
Current portublob game, how are you doing guys. What are we looking forward to the most from EU5 or are we not looking forward to it at all?
I hate governent capacity.And I still hate the Ottoblob so much it's unreal.
>>1925197>How do i know when protestant League war starts?
luv me a good league war, innit
Please tell me a way to turn off console cheating. I can't control myself. Every time I try and go "Ah, this time I won't cheat.. " but then I get an annoying event or get tired of waiting and do "dip 200" to speed things up. I'd play Ironman, but since I use mods, i don't wanna risk it with 1 save.I can't help it, it's my autism. I get really frustrated at annoying stuff and instantly move to fix it with console before I even think.Is there a way that doesn't include literally removing the tilde key from my keyboard?
>>1925445>Please tell me a way to turn off console cheatingAlways play in ironman mode.
>>1925446The save thing sucks. If something bugs that's it.
>>1925449Don't play with mods.
>>1925451Do you have an actual solution?
>>1925445just learn some self control, other than that who the fuck cares if you cheat in singleplayer autistic map game. if you enjoy using console commands then just keep doing it. if your cheating really bothered you then you would just stop doing it
>>1925453Don't play with mods is an actual solution.I assume the mods you use are autistic map mods anyway.
>>1925445Play ironman and use pdx unlimiter so that you can save scum easily. It's the best of both worlds.
Do you guys think it would be worth it to swap my 5700x processor for 5700x3D? I heard this 3D cache thingy works wonders for GSGs and colony management games.
curious to know ur results with dat
>>1925618I think you'd be better off saving for an AM5 or a new Intel CPU.
>comfy France game>allied Spain, getting ready to fight Giga-Austria (inherited Hungary, PU'd Bohemia)>while I'm planning, Spain PU's AustriaDO YOU WANT TOTAL WAR?!
>>1925632>Civil war in Spain starts, circa 1936
>>1925445Just savescum.Similar thing with me but I got over it by savescuming and then just trying to deal with the problem.Thigs is right after console cheating, things get boring, and I just observe>Is there a way that doesn't include literally removing the tilde key from my keyboard?Change your keyboard to Albanian, it removes it in the game, but also changes y to z
>>1925618x3d is significantly better for paradoxshit than any other CPU.L3 cache is the bottleneck in these games. x3d has 96 mb of it, which is the best.
What happens if Burgundy forms a different country before the inheritance fires? In theory forming either Switzerland, England or France (in order of difficulty) before Charles dies shouldn't be impossible or even that hard.
>>1925663then it just wont fire anymore but why would you want to do that
>>1925682just a random thought I had lol I haven't even played EU4 in about a month and a half
For fuck sake, i feel unstoppable. Do i take land during Protestant League war? And do i enforce 50 war score official religion in the end? And do i white peace them separately? This is the first time it seems i am winning this shit. World War 1.
>>1925618I'm playing usually at 3-4x speed even in wars and my 8500k chugs along fine, what the fuck are you guys doing that needs more?
>>1925618>>1925716What is this new generation x3d? AMD? I have b450 motherboard, AM4 socket, currently with Ryzen 5 3600, what can i look for? Suggestions? I don't have money right now, but one day.
>>1925717you need l3 cache.X3d is the only one on the market that offers 96 mb of it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxTwUpyg40o
>>1925663Have you read my thoughts? Had exactly the same question in my mind today.
>>1925735You mean i don't have l3 cache, or it's the default cache for this new generation and i need to have it?
>>1925739ryzen 3600 is shit.Essentially three times slower than 5800x3d or 7800x3d.
>>1925716Yah idgi, I left my game on observer mode the other day and it went 200 years while I took a shower, I don't know why you would ever need it to go faster while you're actually playing the game
>>1925741Not really 'slower', just that it can access 3 times less memory in a single grab of said memory, which is 'slower' as in paradox games start running like shit much earlier, by 1941 or by 1550.
>>1925741>>1925743I have my Ryzen 5 3600 without turbo boost for years now and i am happily running HOI4, EU4, but i can't imagine the upgrade it would be with these new techie stuff. I have RX580 STRIX and don't cry over upgrading it, but new CPU - yummi.
>>1925746if you're on speed 4 - you probably gonna be fine and enjoy the game. if you prefer x5 - then you'll notice what a drag these games have become over the years.for me, CPU is the most important piece of tech precisely because I like playing everything at the limit.
>>1925758it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God
>>1925758The fantasy thread is two blocks down
>>1925763Why would the truth and communism occupy the same genre?
>>1925766Historical materialism very carefully explains every process that takes place in our society and by that, is a truth.
>>1925768It only explains how we live, not what we live for, why we live, and why do do the things we do.>tl;dr: lacks sovl
>>1925716I mean the 5700x runs fine. It can chug at max speed but that's to be expected.Just thinking about an upgrade before EU5. Considering how badly Stellaris and Vic3 run it might be needed.
>>1925758Amen.
>>1924250>>1924250Your fav tall game campaign?
I despise how the AI is so stubborn in wars, it feels so damn bent on destroying it's country. Wars in the past were rarely dragged till the every last men dies, but here in the game you have to fully occupy the enemy territory, kill off it's entire manpower and even then AI may not agree to a peace deal. Also, it's jarring how battles mean so little in terms of warscore, historically it was one or a few major battles deciding the outcome of war, but in EU4? Get every hostile fort or you get fuck all and a whole lotta nothing.
>>1925748Speed 5 was the thing that filtered me from EU4 and other paraslop games. Speed 2-3-4 is when it clicked for me. I always hated how slow the arrow fills when unites move to the next province, thought: What a bullshit game, i am gonna get old to wait for them, but now i like speed 3, speed 4. Hoi4 is more like a speed 5 game for me, when i prepare for the war.
Speed 5 and pause button, the only way to play this game. Maybe 2-3 in MP.
I fucking won the Protestant War as a Leader, wow, i am so happy :). First time ever with so much participation.
>>1925692>i feel unstoppableYou're "not France" the strongest country in EU. If fun to play but once you learn to play it just get too easy.
>>1925838>969 losses against 549you lost.
war in this game is garbage because there are literally 0 downsides to using doomstacks + the whole war score system and needing to siege way, way more land than you actually want to take is awful, I'm really glad that ck3 fixes both of these issues and I hope it's fixed in eu5
>>1925849Nope, it says i won. My enemies lost. And 900k peasants died, i mean... it's not like they had something better to do with their constantly crying wives and kids. They had fun, traveled to cool places.
>>1925862I don't think war could be good in a digital board game. A more abstract system would be way better but, as the new Victoria game proved, you can't trust Paradox with that.
>>1925849yes the USSR lost WWII too
>>1925768anon it dosent even explain the differences in cultures that occupied the same region and thus same resources.It literally neglects any form of belief outside the physical. Every culture in history has had a religion, spirituality, grief, hope, ect.
Btw, why this board and many others don't have ID, how tf do i know who i talk to? I want to get into the WW2 subject :D.
>>1925900PLEASE go back
>>1925902Nope, i stay. Sieg heil motherfucker!
That guy had a chin like that? For real? Who is he? Some inbred motherfucker from Western Europe?
>>1925932Rex christanissimus.
Why would the Pope do that to me???
>>1925932Charles V, don't laugh at the glorious Habsburg chin
>>1925953YESSS baby... Charles can kiss my royal balkan ass.
>>1925932He's only one of the most important kings/emperors/archdukes (he held all 3 positions simultaneously) in European history.
>>1925989He could have held the whole Colosseum on that chin.
>>1925953>>1925989>>1925991Thank you, i will read about him.
Why are you playing a map game if you aren't a history nerd?
>>1926004Not that anon but I initially got into map games because I wanted to be le epic conqueror and paint the map, but playing the map games inevitably got me into history and gave me a greater appreciation for things like diplomacy, economics, statecraft over military conquest.
>>1926004I am asking, because i am a historical nerd.
>>1925932Literally the most powerful men of the XVI Century.
>>1924182>There's Great Moravia I guessI kept Bohemia ideas but its a for sure upgrade on the map color. I wish i could've kept the cool flag though.
>>1926035Are you part of the HRE or nah?
>>1926036I am the emperor. Not being super agro or anything and just having some fun.
>>1926004I feel like these games cause a lot of misunderstandings because of the heavy focus on borders. The most useful thing I've learned from PDX games has been geography
>>1926040That's a chunky Poland. Better start expanding into the north before they start spilling into the empire too much.Not like it matters anyway, you've pretty much won the game already by inheriting Burgundy.
It'd be cool if the game had dynamic national ideas or flavor when you form your next flag. Like if you centralize the HRE as Lotharingia you get Frenchified ideas or if you form UK as Scotland you'd get Scottish-ish flavor. Also, hybrid cultures from CK are cool.
>>1926590>Implying i have to worry about PolandI also just finished a succession war against France for Aragon.
>>1926004to learn geography
>>1926612You're literally Austria but Czech.
>>1926625That is kind of what Bohemia is. You get quick PU over the PLC, Hungary along with Saxony and Brandenburg from the missions.
>>1926631Not to mention that you can just form Austria once you're done collecting your mission goodies.
ah yes, Wolgast, the well known historical colonial superpower
>>1926612Hah, that's pretty much how my own game went except I also randomly got France as a PU instead of Aragon, the missions are kind of silly with how many free subjects you get
>>1926671>you can just form AustriaI can understand starting as a small nation in a culture group and then forming the big union once you have achieved pretty borders, but just forming different nations simply because you can has always seemed completely incomprehensible to me.
>>1926745Stacking modifiers and combining mission trees is fun
>>1926765Maybe I just approach the game from a roleplaying perspective. I try to fulfillmy nations historical ambitions and only conquer shit because it makes sense not just because it’s there. I quit before mission trees were a thing, though. IMO 1.19 was the peak, went downhill with the meme China expansion and I quit there.
Is anyone else tired of how AI would literally rather throw hundreds of fucking thousands of men, call completely destroy their manpower, burn down their whole fucking empire JUST so they won't have to sign a miserable fucking peace treaty on a war *they* started?Why is every fucking war an complete total death war?
>>1926805Please understand. First game from a small indie studio.
>>1926805That's how most players behave to be fair. It's not worth going to war if you aren't making significant gains
>>1926805It's pretty easy to get white peace, way too easy in fact, if you're the defender you only need to wait for ticking warscore.
if the ai is attacking you and you aren't a new world nation, you fucked up
>>1926844Incorrect. Sometimes baiting the AI into attacking you by looking weak is a good strat early game.
>>1926849i can't really think of any examples where i'd do this. closest i get is forcing vassalization to create a defensive war
>>1926852A couple months ago i had it work out for me.>Playing Florence>Wanted to take out Genoa>They were allied to France and AustriaMake them hate me as much as possible, delete my army, lower my forts and hold off taking mil tech>They declare on me solo>Take mil, hire mercs and train up my army behind them>Take everything i want.Its not something you can always do but its something that never hurts to try. Of course you also have to make sure somebody you dont want to declare on you can do it!
>>1926859did they have any smaller allies? this works as a last resort i guess but losing that much manpower and ducats to rebuild an army isn't good. i'd probably blob in other directions and wait for a better opening
>>1926838>if you're the defender you only need to wait for ticking warscoreAnd two years or so.
>>1926862>did they have any smaller allies?Just the standard TC guys like the Knights and one of those free citites that they sometimes grab. Konstanz or somebody around there. It was a situation where if i had expanded i probably couldn't be the rival anymore and i wanted the pp. Also it was just something to try for fun. Cant always play by the same plan!
>>1911830whats the current idea groups meta? What idea groups should I be taking first?
>>1927159what are your goals? for blobbing it's the same as always: diplo, admin, religious
can I solve my ally's bankruptcy?
>>1927246Bankruptcy is a disaster that last for 5 years or something, you can't finish it before that. If you mean their debt then you could send him 6 million shekels to pay his 4 loans but is not guaranteed that the AI will pay it's debts
>>1927246You have to wait it out, honestly just ditch them if they are managing to spiral into bankruptcy they will likely not be useful to you anymore
>>1927237Im guessing colonization is still exploration expansion, dont know about playing tall.
One of the limits I set for myself is that if I'm playing in Europe, I can't adopt the empire rank until I've beaten the Emperor in a war AFTER the option becomes available. If I have a truce with the Emperor when I hit 1k dev, I can take it right away. Otherwise, I have to beat the Emperor again before I can take itAnyone have other interesting little challenges they set to make the game more interesting? Another is that I generally try to convert my whole culture group to the primary culture to simulate top-down assimilation
>>1927443I never dismantle the HRE until there's less then 5 princes left.
>>1927443i always convert the cultures back to what they used to be (or something that makes sense) after the ai converts them
I guess we aren't getting the rest of naples this century
>>1927468AE is just a number if you attack them right after your truce is up
>>1927468what is that last line from? never seen it
>>1927508NTA but it's what's shown when a nation has 0 trust with you. Presumably he's using a UI mod that put that in the opinions section
Wait, when do you unlock the ability to upgrade advisors to level 5? Did i miss out on a lot of monarch points, because i didn't see it earlier? That's like +2 per monarch point for ages that i missed on :(.
>>1927677Promotion's always available, so long as you have the Cradle of Civilization DLC, and if they're an accepted culture. Just a matter of being able to afford them.
>>1927680Well, i guess you are not supposed to play optimally when you are still learning, but that was a big oversight by me. Is there any point on keep playing here?
>>1927681Depends on if you're having fun or not. Looks like you're already #1 GP and all, so probably not much challenge left, other than going for more blobbing or trying to get some specific borders. Could force a big coalition war or just spin up a new game as a different country.
>>1927683nta, but what about going after achievements?
>>1927789Oh, that too. Forgot about them, usually playing with mods. Don't know if he's on ironman or not. But achievement hunting can be pretty fun (or extremely tedious, depending on which you're going for.)
>>1927789>>1927793I got the Marie of Lothairingia :), i play on Iron Mode.
Why is it that every fucking time i attack an army, the AI summons 10000000000000000 deathstacks to come out of the fucking void to suddenly reinforce them in the exact perfect moment to stop them from losinhg?Why the fuck can the AI cheat and see all my armies and know perfectly where they need to be while i'm completely fucking blind and can't see shit if it's not in my territory?Every war is the fucking same. >AI is sieging fort>Send army to attack them, I have an advantage>"Oops, actually there were 504350350 regiments waiting just outside the fog. you lose." Even if i keep several fucking armies as reinforcements to send in case they do, they somehow HAVE MORE. I can send in a 60k army with 30k of reinforcements to fight an enemy army of 20k and they'll somehow bust out 200k out of their fucking asses in an ridiculously consistent stream that just maxes out their morale every time they're close to defeat, like every single army on the entire enemy coalition just teleported there. Of course, they'll then immediately teleport back and stop any attacks. It's such fucking bullshit...
>>1927808I feel you man... I guess it's "artificial" way to make the AI have some chances against the player. >SidenoteI have studied in University here. Mod: Ante Bellum. Not in the actual fortress, but Bulgaria - Veliko Tyrnovo. Hard recommend for everyone here to visit our shithole, but very kino city!
>>1927808AI has no fog of war and as someone that doesn't like eu4 I guarantee the reinforcement is not a big deal
>>1927814>the reinforcement is not a big dealIt absolutely is, it's an absolute fucking nightmare to fight AI that you don't completely outnumber by a scale of 2 or 3 because they're somehow *always* gonna have a constant stream of 10k and 20k armies reinforcing their battles
>>1927681If you care about cheevos, take the time to form the HRE
>>1927850If you do this then in the meantime you obviously need to expel the magyars and turks from Europe and secure the coasts from the berber pirates
>>1927816It is a big deal when you fall for it but you learn to live with it and eventually avoid them
>>1927816Just don't fight bait stacks and try to isolate their armies then, you should be putting in some effort if you're not massively outnumbering them
>>1927816bro you're getting outsmarted by the computer get a fucking grip
>>1927916'The computer' cheats by not having fog of war, idiot
>>1927922You literally know their army numbers and composition, only a legit retard lose a "fair" war against the AI in Paradox games.
>>1927922So you account for that during your strategy and stop getting beaten you absolute fucking retard
>>1927816>>1927922This is giving me second hand embarrassment
>>1927927this ones better
Hey anons, wanted some advice for the 'Triple the Rome' cheevo. Have any of you done it before? My current plan is to : >Finish grabbing my starting claims as I took the non-permanent ones for the CCR and extra diplomat. >Take the mission for the western claims and expand into PLC/Baltics to flip catholic>Try to cuck Austria and become HRE emperor before the Protestants appear>Nuke as many centers of reformation as possible for an easy league war/catholic victory>Pass hereditary emperorship reform while expanding into Siberia>Flip to eastern religion and claim Mandate of HeavenIs this feasible? Will I lose HRE emperorship if I switch religions even if I have the hereditary rule?
>>1928056It sounds easier to leave the HRE emperorship for last, what do you gain by getting it early? I would say it's in your best interests to help the weakest side win the league war, that way you'll have less countries to compete with once you decide to become emperor.
>>1928059Well I was mainly worried about being able to guarantee the Peace of Westphalia. If I end up unable to get the religious peace I think the emperor would be able to pass hereditary rule before I flip Protestant/Catholic and secure the emperorship no?
>>1928064No way the AI can do that lol, they never pass more than a couple reforms. Once protestants show up imperial authority will be stuck at 0 until pretty much the end of the game
>>1924656don't you want the Euros to colonize so you can take their colonial nations as soon as thet spawn in and are weak?
>>1928065Alright anon I'll take your word for it, but if my run is fucked because of this I will be very sad
>>1928056If i remember correctly the last reform before you can pick the bracnhing reforms enforces religious peace on the empire. In my Bohemia run i kept squashing the centers and such, the council of trent fired but the league war never did and when i hit perpetual diet or whatever it was called it enforced peace. So i think once you take that it will give you the option to flip.
>>1928070I might be retarded, just to make sure when you say the option to flip you mean I can switch religions without losing emperorship after picking this reform correct?
>>1928076Thats how i read it. Im saying that never trying it myself however. But to me it reads like that would work.
>>1928077>>1928076I just hopped into the game and used the console to flip confusion, let a month tick and im still the emperor and all that. Even killed my ruler and kept it after he died. So it should work.
>>1928080Oh and if you're planning to revoke id hold off flipping till you do that. Cause you get a pretty large -50 malice for passing reforms when your not catholic (Or whatever the "Catholic" modifier means.
>>1928082>>1928080Very cool, thanks for the nfo
>>1928056>Have any of you done it before?Yeah, I started as Austria, revoked, formed Russia, then gave up land to become majority eastern religion and flip over. The last part is the hardest because your subjects like to become disloyal when you have no land
Game, why you do this to me?
>>1928161Believable worlds, bro.
>>1928059HRE Emperorship should not be left for last because getting it as an eastern religion is impossible2 religious flips in a massive country like that will be hell>>1928056>Have any of you done it before? Yep, started as Poland, went down the join HRE mission tree til I became emperorThen I formed that knockoff Ukraine formable whose name escapes me so I could form Russia, then just plowed east>Will I lose HRE emperorship if I switch religions even if I have the hereditary rule?You don't even need the hereditary ruleI did it just by vassalizing enough electors
I wish Portugal had missions like the Mamluks do that change what is produced in a province. Id like to play an ultra tall Portugal but their land is so ass that i dont know if it would be as fun to dev to hell like you can do with the Netherlands.
>The new Ottoslop.They have a mission called Tsar of all Rus and The Third Rome...
>watching youtuber>midgame blob >about to fight an opm>allied to 2-3 opms>"Let's call France and Austria and Moscovy and Poland and England"Why are they like this. I hope Eu5 have some sort of modifier that doesn't allow to call allies into one sided wars. The "stfu stop bothering me for nonsense" modifier
Never seen a succession war start that quick.
Wow, I sure do love getting screwed over by RNG before the playthrough even starts properly. Fuck this game.
>>1928668What do you mean? That you won't be able to ask for Support Independence, because of You have low opinion on them?
>>1928670Yes. And that "Protectionism" opinion malus comes from one of the choices in a random event.
>>1928672What about Austria/Hungry/Poland. Do they want to support you? After all you are a vassal under Byzantium, not Ottoslop.
>>1928672why did you pick that option then?
>>1928675I've already spent 2 years improving opinions with Ottoblob and scornfully insulted Mamluks to be able to declare that initial war against Byzantium as soon as possible. I didn't improve with any of those countries because I didn't think it would be necessary. The other diplomat was sitting in Papal State until recently because one of the starting missions requires 150 opinion with them. Ottomans are the best ally for me in any case, just because it would prevent them from conquering me too soon before I can migrate somewhere else. Sure, I could change my strategy, I could restart, I could do lots of other things. But getting something like this right off the bat just makes me not want to bother anymore.
>>1928676You don't understand. That event happened to Ottoblob, not me.
>>1928668>begging mehmet to save your little assbro i just did athens, all i had was genoa and i made it happen. this doesnt kill your run
>>1928679The satisfaction is greater when you finally achieve your dreams. >>1928687Also this. Fuck Ottoslop.
>>1928680god is trying to tell you something
>>1928679>play game with RNG mechanics>cry when RNG is on your sideGo play chess?
just merc up and go into debt bro, only pussies restart a bad hand
Diplo, Court or Influence?
>>1928716Inno or naval
>>1928716I would go Diplomatic, since you already have a lot of points there.
>>19287163 in admin, then tech and espionage second
>>1928716espionage if you like fun. diplo if you like efficiency
>>1928716>Diplo, Court or Influence?Court ideas are a meme. Influence ideas are only worth it if you're going to have a lot of vassals (which is a good playstyle to be fair). Diplo ideas are generally the best out of the three, especially for blobbing.
Honestly I fuck with court ideas just for the novelty, and being able to play with estates more. Good for hre and eoc too
>>1928716If you're the anon going for the 3 emperor achievement you should get diplo for getting the HRE emperor. When i play Russia i always go Offensive, Religious, Trade and then at 14 Quantity for the RP
>>1928894How DARE you trying to have fun
>>1928280>knockoff Ukraine formable...You mean Ruthenia?
>>1928927Go quantity first COWARD
>>1928965Yes, that one
>>1928894they seem tailor made for ming, i also took them in a korea game and they were fun where diplo and influence would be unnecessary.
>Finished getting the starting claimsNow we move west >>1928927Yeah I was hesitating between Court and Diplo in the end but ended up going for Diplo for the policies/extra dip rep. >>1929092Pretty sure they were added in the update that reworked Mings mission tree so you'd be right about that. Definitely one of my favourite idea groups
>>1929338>map of yurop
STOP SPLITTING OFF MY FUCKING TRADE YOU FUCKS. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>1929370>zero ships protecting trade
>>1929372Does protecting trade prevent them from doing that?
>>1929370Anon-tachi, your centers of trade...
>>1929376it increases your trade power with will increase your share of the node, so indirectly yes. boosting mercantilism over time and an embargo against the country with the largest share should help too.
>>1929382>>1929376just note that the embargo costs 5% trade efficiency, so make sure it's profitable after a month tick
>>1929370>Egypt>Not protecting trade routesWhy are you so determined to be poor?
>>1929376Nodes where people are leeching money off of you are the most important ones to protect trade in. Anon don't tell me you've been playing a trade country without using light ships?
>>1929395The game is just THAT easy and naval gameplay is completely irrelevant
>>1929415Bot post?
>>1929396I am, I just have them in malacca and bengal. They boost my trade power there up from 10% to 30% (give or take) in each node. I figured just adding more trade power to the egypt node wouldn't be as profitable as getting more value steered in my direction with light ships.
>>1929370just take over constantinople and ragusa and genoa. these are all things that you should be doing in a venice game
>>1929370husbando, you no protectu ouwa sentahsu ofa turado andu now we are-a homuressu.
>>1929438No, just built your ships and upgrade your trade centers
>>1929439Unless you control most nodes between Bengal and Venice it's very possible putting your ships there is making you less money than just protecting in Egypt, with trade the easiest way is to just try a different configuration and see whether you're making more money or not. Having a merchant steer trade in a direction effectively creates money out of thin air and multiplicatively chaining that effect all the way from Asia to Europe is *the* way to make money, but if you don't have a solid control of all your downstream nodes you'll bleed a lot of that money away; it's easier to get a TC and lots of trade power in Asia than it is in Europe where you have to compete with other powers, which is why usually your ships will be better off at home if you aren't a huge blob.
what do you think?
>>1929604Alright guideline for new players but I wouldn't really bother with cavalry at all later in the game unless your nation has some cav bonuses and put more infantry regiments for reinforcements, but honestly as long as you have a full backrow of cannons at the relevant tech and enough regiments to protect them your army composition will already be better than the AI, and before that it doesn't matter
my armies will get 4 cavalry the moment i get enough income and they will keep them until the end of time
Is Death ans Taxes for EU3 any good?
>>1929624As good as the EU4 version.
>>1929625Please explain. My potato has trouble running the current EU4 with all it features and DLCs so I have to settle with EU3 until I get a new PC.
>>1929631Its a bloated shit made for retards, you'll love it if you like the EU4 version.
>>1929633They are completely different mods. I'm guessing you're too young to have played either D&T or MEIOU for EU3
>>1929658>I'm le oldI'm positive I was mocking Deaf in Texas and MIAU when /gsg/ was good before your filth seeped into this site.
i'm tired boss.
>>1929624I prefer MEIOU for EU3, D&T doesn't add much other than some map changes and formables
>>1929604>>1929621I always like having some cav if i can afford it early game cause if you do get a general with high shock you can feel the difference. But once i hit 16 mil i will dump them all for canon unless im playing a cav focused country.
>>1929604>>1929621>>1929701the problem with all these formation guides is there's too many variables. Having cav and a full back row of cannons is ALWAYS more damage, and is more manpower efficient they just cost a lot and realistically you aren't going to be able to field a full back row of cannons until much later due to economy. I hate to see new players get given advice like "delete your cav insta" when they might start with 8 regiments which can be incredibly useful in early game wars, too many tips with not enough nuance are given to players.
>>1929704most europe games seem to be set up so that you can delete your cav and get the free company to be at force limit by december 11. i think that's why people say to do those two things as general advice even though it might not apply to a horde
>>1929708But why do that, you're literally just deleting manpower insta. You are better off using the cav in a battle then shift consolidating it then deleting the empty units or ones with least manpower so you don't draw from your manpower pool into economically "inefficient" cav (which still does more dmg).Being able to punch above your weight and take valuable land + gold in a peace deal is infinitely more important than having a few more fractions of a ducat per month.
>>1929712I only delete the cav if im starting as a real small country cause how costly it can be. It may be lost manpower but if you can get 4 infantry mercs for the cost of 2 cav i think its manpower saved over time.
>>1929704I agree with cav being very strong in the early game, usually if you can afford it you should use itThough I don't really like using it in late game compositions since flanking is not that relevant most of the time and the shock phase is less important since cannons do a lot less damage in it so I prefer having the tankier infantry with their fire defensive pips to protect them, not really about their cost effectiveness anymore I just feel like they don't really contribute a lot later
>>1929719>if you can get 4 infantry mercs for the cost of 2 cavthis plus being able to do the force limit mission to get claims by december 11 is game changing. you can often get in a war before the ai can make alliances
>>1929736>>1929730Yes but you should be buying the mercs ontop of the existing cav you already have, winning your war/battle and then deleting the diminished cav so as not to waste manpower. I think that's the point i'm trying to get across. The cav is there, already paid for in manpower terms you should use it.
>>1929744but you'd be paying extra to go over force limit and if you forget or aren't able to delete before the month tick it ends up costing you manpower
>>1929745https://youtu.be/dLLYG20z_j4?si=eGyxBRvK6jlUXukvThis vid sums up how I feel about cav pretty much. There's plenty of different scenarios where you might want to choose to do different things but a lot of people place too much value on income and running a defecit. Money means nothing in this game, the best way to get money is get loans/win war/take money/loan restructure. If I want to win a war in EU4 i'm going into debt, if I'm already going into debt then why wouldn't I use the more powerful yet more expensive units.
I want to try playing trade empire, who'd you recommend?
>>1929824Holland
>>1929845Any other outside of Europe?
>>1929923Kilwa, Oman/Hormuz, Malaya, Korea
>>1929926Thanks.
I never know what to make of ship stats, do the indiamen have a chance fighting galley's or heavies with the extra canon?
>>1929992Everything else being equal just assume that strength = cannons, if the extra cannon modifiers add up to be more than the enemies then yes, you have at least a chance.Of course there's more complex things to consider like engagement width and ships dying and losing morale, both which favor few strong ships vs a lot of weak ones even if their cannons are equal.In general though a player fleet of a few hundred trade ships will be enough to beat almost any AI or at least make them too afraid to engage.
Is there ever a reason to upgrade transports?
>>1930130Good question actually, made me check
Persia (Zoroastrian) or Mughals?
>>1930130They become faster if you're moving them seperately and can take more hits until your combat fleet arrives if they get caught, no point in not upgrading them since they're cheap
>>1930186Mughals if you want to expand into India first, Persia to expand into Arabia/Anatolia.
>>1911830Which game is easier CK2 or EU4?
I cant decide what to take. A part of me was thinking infrastructure for even more dev memes, Trade cause colonial stuff or just quality for better troops. Maybe even quantity so i can just have armies stationed around the world instead of shuffling people around. I never plan on integrating England so gov cap isnt an issue nor am i going to be coring much to make admin that worth it.
>>1930485Trade. In fact, I would have probably taken that over Exploration at the start
>play France campaign where the goal is to feed the Pope Italy>haven't even given them Milan and I'm already thinking of doing a Saxony diplo focused HRE runI never finish campaigns
>Coalition wars don't count others as cobelligerentsFuckin' bullshit, man. I win a war against the whole-ass continent and i can only get like two bloody fucking provinces. It's such bullshit.
>>1930714Coalitions are (allegedly) an "anti-blob" mechanic, not a "FREE blob" one.
>>1930722>Defeat basically all of europe>Occupy a whole-ass continent>"No you can't do anything you have to let them keep all their land and everything else. You get 2 provinces that will cost 35 warscore each. Take your pick."Mind, this is with pretty high admin efficiency.It's retarded. You already have an anti-blobbing mechanic, it's called overextension. I mean for fucks sake, it's not even possible to do Napoleon's conquests because of how much time it would take thanks to warscore.
>>1930727>It's retardedWell, yeah, you are playing a Paradox game so you have to blob either in their approved way or in some backward and buggy way, not in a historical one.
Did someone mention blobbing?
>>1930874>Kiev>not in KievIs it possible to learn this power?
>>1930911checked>learn this power?only if you have autism
>>1930943>slowly moving towards catholic pluralityI'm hoping taking the rest of finland and vassalizing+annexing the Teutons will be enough
>>1929926Antemoro
2 rare events. Ottomans actually ate Tunis for once. And Ming has held off blowing up with nomad frontier up for a long time somehow.Also i love the new Netherlands, this is my first time playing them since that rework last year and i have the entire lowlands over 25 dev (most of it over 30) and all of the provinces expanded infrastructure 1-3 times and yet im only at 685 gov cap. They were fun to play tall before but its so much more fun now.
>>1931468Did you spawn colonialism? I think it's more likely to spawn there if you are playing it, that's my theory at least, happened twice that Iberians already had colonial nations but I still got it despite only just having two or three provinces colonized
>>1931496Funny enough i did and i had just a few colonies not even a CN yet.
>>1931514>>1931496It's more likely to spawn as the low countries are high dev and mostly coastal. You just need 1 new world province colonized, having more doesn't help:>12 dev or is a center of trade (not an estuary)>coastal>owns 1 province in new worldyou don't even need to colonize a province fully
>>1931518Thanks, I had no idea about that
Should I form Rome with Italy Byzantium?
have there been any substantial DLCs to this game for the last five years?
>>1931715It's probably going to be a lot easier for you. Make an rival of Savoy support your independence, eat Savoy. Better trade node, larger culture.
>>1931715but you probably meant Italy or Byzantium, not montferrat
How does this twelve year old game not break under all the bloat?
>>1932459Svedish autism
>>1932459it does break
>>1932459Seems it has problems lategame, nobody really knows because everybody quits during ~1600.
