Am I asking for something impossible, /vst/?I'm looking for a RTS that:1.- Is based on WW2 or "modern" factions/units (90's or current day);2.- Isn't Grand Strategy (yeah, I know about the Hearts of Iron series) or Squad based (I also know about the Company of Heroes games);3.- It's fun to pick up and play, but it also has some depth (like C&C or AoE series).The closest ones I know are Atari's Axis and Allies from 2006 and (ugh) C&C Generals from 2003), and both are on the sucky side of the RTS genre.Anyone knows of a hidden gem with the characteristics I seek, or, like the proposed Age of Empires IV pictured, WW2 and current events are too controvertial to be adapted into a good RTS?
>>1929547I only know of Empire Earth I/II and >>1921109.
>>1929547Such kino pic, from the Bronze age to Space age warfare.
>>1929565Too bad AoEIV ended being up AoEII: Electric Boogaloo.
>>1929555I've played Empire Earth I and it was also kind of meh. How's Empires: Dawn of the Modern World?
Wargame Red Dragon. Good fucking luck with the learning curve though
>>1929573>AoE4>AKA We got AoE2 at home
>>1929573Honestly, there's no way to make a IV that would seamlessly work within the classic AoE formula.
>>1929599Why not? It would just be company of heroes without cover mechanics and with 5x as many units on screen.
>>1929573I listened to some faggot shill on this board and bought it expecting years of support. Fucking Relic went bankrupt right after and there hasn't been an update in almost 2 years now. Absolute faggotry.
>>1929599They coulda make a whole game from Napoleon through Victoria to WW1. The 19th century saw more shit progressing than the last 400 years combined. Franz Joseph I was raised by the generation that fought Napoleon and lived to see the end of WW1.
>WW2 RTS>not squad basedYou're basically asking for a WW2 RTS with pre-modern set RTS mechanics. Those exist as WW2 mods for non-WW2 games and they look ridiculous.
>>1929555Doesn't have modern systems support.
>>1929606It wouldn't, because the games aren't even remotely similar, and you know how anal AoEfags get when you tinker too much with the core mechanics - see AoE3. And if you want to maintain the classic empire-building formula, there's a whole number of silly issues that are virtually unsolvable because of how modern economy and warfare are conducted.>building a whole new empire from scratch in untamed wilderness, collecting berries, trees and gold, training troops right next to the battlezone>rapid and dramatic progression in weapons and tactics in the 20th century, from cavalry charges and large scale human wave assaults to small expeditionary skirmishes - basically the opposite of what you do in AoE>hardly any civs worthy of imperial status, and no parity between those that exist>sore subject matter that's still fairly recent, plenty of butthurtIronically, making an AoE5 would be a piece of cake because it would be all sci-fi where anything goes.
>>1929599>I can't figure it out personally, so it's too hard for everyone and won't exist>I have autism btw
>>1929547Red Alert is based on the 1970s technology and some futurism in the later instalments.Another VERY obscure rts is the Original War, it's basically a Cold War conflict with time travel. I'd say buy it if you're a campaign player.
>>1929919It will no longer be obscure once Sseth makes a video on it
>>19298953 and 4 both completely depart from the 1 and 2 formula and both have players. Neither is a wild sucess by 1-2 standards, but it's not implausible for an aoe5 to be ww2 themed and at least as popular as 3 and 4.
>>1929547Honestly I had fun playing in the modern eras in Rise of Nations
>>1929547crazy how neglected the modern-ish era is in rts. youd think there'd be enough demand for someone to sate it beyond relic but no
>>1929895>build empire from scratch>like china, Italy and perisa, the empires that famously pop into existence from the 5th century dark age onwardsretard
>>1930403It's not about the history it's about gathering berries manually and hunting.How do you fit that with modern day? With cars and shit? Roads, planes, trains, not even remotely comparable to making chariots and knights moving through grass.
>>1930477Rise of Nations managed that well: besides your regular resources, more advanced ages require metal, knowledge and oil.
>>1929547this was a really roundabout way of saying "any good 1930s+ RTS without squads?"
>>1930477that's the point, dumb fuck. You can't fit that in AoE2 either. Most civilizations were already post-agriculture by AoE2. They would start with farm from age 1 if they wanted to be realistic.
>>1930570look bud, they need to include the african civs because uhhhh, so realism needs to flex.
>>1929599That's just Sudden Strike with base building
>>1930403Anon, the spirit of AoE has always been a combination of RTS and 4X, in which the gameplay is a seamless progress from a small settlement to a powerful empire: 1 started off with prehistoric tribesmen, 2 was about barbarian settlements, 3 had you found colonies in the New World. What new frontiers would you have in a proper AoE4?And if you're going to cherrypick for civs that don't fit the gimmick or the timeline, you might as well complain about your average 4X rosters that pit Washington, Ghandi and Ramesses against each other.
>>1930477>How do you fit that with modern day?maybe don't be an autistic retard who thinks AoE games are about collecting berries manually?
>>1929895I don't remember collecting berries in C&C.Maybe, crazy idea I know, you don't *need* the sheep & berries in your AoE IV?Nah, there is no way a game could change something. You need to like, change 0 & 1 in the code, a monumental task.
>>1930691The early economy aspect of AoE is present in 1, 2, 3, Mythology, Online and 4.It is an integral part of what makes the franchise.
>>1930762I remember these same arguments happening after AoE IV was announced. I believed it was gonna be a middle ages setting because that's the most successful game in their franchise and most favorable to the game's mechanics. But a lot of retards thought it was actually gonna be a industrial-modern era game because of things like the promotion ad in OP's post, because middle ages are overdone, etc. They really thought there would be an game that works exactly like AoE II or III but where you spawn riflemen and tanks out of barracks buildings and send a dozen or so peasants to mine rare earth metals and oil (kek). Luckily everyone who isn't a retard knows this is a ridiculous premise. There's a reason all WW2 RTS games are squad based and exclude direct resource gathering, and any game that attempted this (RoN, Empire Earth, Empires: DotMW) were criticized for it.
>>1930791>, and any game that attempted this (RoN, Empire Earth, Empires: DotMW) were criticized for it.is Rise of Nations not thought of fondly amongst the gamer folk? i havent played it in ages but remember loving compstomping in it with my older brother.
>>1930798Of course it is, but not past the industrial age.
>>1930801Nta but I loved playing with tanks, planes and modern infantry in it. My favourite units were the Russian Shock Infantry and the Volksgrenadiers
>>1929547>Atari's Axis and AlliesDon't remind me of that.
>>1930570>Most civilizations were already post-agriculture by AoE2would you care to repeat that?
>>1930607>What new frontiers would you have in a proper AoE4?SPACE
>>1930477Why can't they scavenge the environment for supplies, salvage abandoned vehicles, and cannibalize old machinery?
>>1931167Oh, like in Extreme Tactics?
>>1931141Being a bunch of hunter-gatherers by the timeframe of AoE2 is not realistic. Most civilizations relied on agriculture by then. It's a holdover from AoE1 having the first age literally being the stone age. Instead of shaping up the formula to let you have farm from age 1 in AoE2, they just reused the exact AoE1 formula. In other words, stop being autistic. The game isn't meant to be realistic. It abides by a formula no matter the era.
>>1931225>Being a bunch of hunter-gatherers by the timeframe of AoE2 is not realistic.Indeed. But peasants doing that on the side? Totally.Nobility had to put a lot of effort into preventing the populace from hunting "their" game to extinction, and plenty of ancient cooking recipe use shit you gather in the wood. It's perfectly realistic to have a small medieval army / budding colony to rely on hunting&gathering for their food need, at least until they get something more durable running.
>>1929574that game felt unfinished when I played it
>>1931225>Being a bunch of hunter-gatherers by the timeframe of AoE2 is not realistic.It is believable if you look at a match as settlers starting out on a frontier. Just like AoE 3. This is believable because there were no industrial logistics back then. But it cannot work in an industrialized war setting because logistics made local resource gathering obsolete. Americans didn't land in Europe or SEAsia and then start mining ore and building factories to make more tanks. Their tanks were made in America with imported resources and then shipped over to distant front lines.
>>1931679yeah... remember when they paradropped multiple cattle wagons on town centers in the new world during the colonial era? All the way from yurop... so believable
