>>1952874 (OP)
We are (very slowly) getting to the point where there are more than 10 events per activity.
At this pace, I say that by 2030 we will reach the point of mid-development CK2 in terms of event variety.

Jesus fucking Christ, how fucking hard it is to sit bunch of interns and tell them "write 30 events for each of [insert activity]"? This would be the least effort DLC and EVERYONE would get it, because fucking everyone is fed up with the low variety of events

>>1952874 (OP)
half the content of ck2 with reddit animations that actively sabotage immersion/RP. Static portraits are supreme

>>1952874 (OP)
>is it good
it's below the Sims but certaintly above most games if you are a woman
if you are a man it's too easy, could be more fun if they made it harder

>>1952874 (OP)
It’s good with mods like every paradox game

>>1953039
I like the Sims as a man but CK3 is such a bad Sims game. Sims in the Sims actually have reasons, needs and personality for their actions. CK3 is just a dumber doll simulator with some background moving parts. Requires the strongest head canon to make roleplaying funm

you're getting same 20 events for the whole game every 10 secs of gameplay and you're pressing the same option for each one

>>1952878
when Royal Court released and got negative feedback, I made a suggestion that they try to put out 5 general court events with every DLC; it doesn't sound like a lot, but, when they put out 3 DLC a year and maintain the game for 5 years, that'd be 225 events, which is exactly what Royal Court needed
they then ended up having to spend a large block of time to re-do royal court events with RtP, and I'm sure there was a lot of pressure on their team to work through the 100 events with the release date

I play without any DLC, AMA.

The current meme discussion is about knights being overpowered.

>>1953111
Yeah, CK really does feel unsatisfying for medieval sandbox roleplay. I honestly don't know why though, I think something is just fundamentally wrong with the approach. I don't even think the event mods help much. It doesn't feel like lack of events is the issue. If anything, events feel kind of overwritten and like they are constantly immersion breaking, partly because they're overwritten but also because you're just looking for the dice roll or payout of each choice. It feels like CK can't decide if it wants to be a medieval VN or a strategy game. So the medieval VN side of things isnt very compelling and the strategy game is too easy.

>>1953480
Why do you hate yourself?

Some normalfag vtuber played this game yesterday and the video is almost at 150k views. They did nothing but matchmaking and meme incest shit.
It's over. This game will never cater to the hardcore audience.

>>1952874 (OP)
The thing I can't stand isn't the paucity of events, it's the writing.

You guys whining about events have you tried this mod?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2227658180

>>1953511
Matchmaking for me is the long term planning (strategy) of ck2.

DLC where you can plat the other government type when?

>>1953620
>have you tried this mod?
Fuck off.
Stop normalizing relying on mods to get systems that should have been implemented from day one.

>>1953620
Is there a mod to remove vanilla events? I find CK2 events were more interesting. Shorter but better. I barely read CK3 events anymore and just click which has a good bonus or less stress.

>>1953620
VIET for CK2 was such rancid dogshit that I'll never try the CK3 version.

>>1953688
>Stop normalizing relying on m
That was normalized 13 years ago tranny boy.

>game has been out for 4 years
>still doesn't have features that were added to CK2 less than a year after it launched

Don't care till republics, theocracies and or more implemented nomads. Get rekted Cksissies.

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>multiple people have said my mod's not working correctly over time
>all of my observer tests show that it is
can i trust some of you for feedback? My mod has options can disable/adjust levy amounts and contributions, though some people are saying that they end up getting more levies over time. Can some of you test this out and post results?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2810220558

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>>1953449
That doesn't solve anything nor answer my question.
Events are literally the easiest thing to write. You don't need any new mechanics, you just fluff the shit out of the existing material. Best yet, since it requires virtually zero debugging or other shit, you can crunch it with literal codelets, as long as they know how to write event prompts.
And it could be easily the cheapest to make and most bought DLC for the game.

At this point I sincerely wonder if not just do it myself and send the ready material to PDX with a "Fuck you, but have a nice day" letter

I have every dlc for this game but I refuse to play it and I will boycott every new dlc until they fix war. few knights can kill thousands of soldiers..... come on...... it's too unrealistic.

>>1955074
>Translation: I will complain about things that were never true and got nerfed to the ground twice over since premiere

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>>1955075
from official forum

>>1955075
nta but knights can still be buffed out the ass. I do enjoy that part of the game though.
https://youtu.be/Db40S82sqic [Embed]

>>1952874 (OP)
Landless gameplay outside of mercenaries seems pretty lame.
You do shit like perform plays and settle disputes.
But the gameplay is essentially:
>wait years to gain advantage
>once you have enought advantage you can execute the plan, outcome is determined RNG
>if you wait longer to get more advantage, your odds of success grow
>you reward 50 gold

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>>1955081
3 player characters from Mountain Blade riding around

>>1955082
But that's the thing - you need to organise half of your game to reach that point. Or you might just hire a single fucking retinue of heavy infantry and/or your culture's variant and be done with it, free of any charge or exploits.
In other words: just because you can, doesn't mean it is worth it. Especially since characters do die out of age, but retinues are forever

>>1955081
>>1955082
>>1955597
And to elaborate:
There used to be the infamous camelry exploit, where getting tier 3 camelry allowed you to get +2 knights, and that was broken as fuck, because you could easily end up with 100+ of those fuckers, barely keeping up with recruitment.
But buffing 10 of them so they have 40 prowess and 300% bonus each, so your entire fucking realm and character are spec'd for that one and only purpose? Why fucking bother, when you can achieve the exact same result with absolutely zero effort and just making a retinue of heavy infantry, station it in any holding with any knd of bonus and... that's it, done, you now have the same results as if buffing the hell out of your knights, except achieved without any sort of specing. Plus they can siege, too, while knights can't. And that alone makes uber-knights a gimmick meme post-nerf that came waaaaay back when Royal Court dropped.

>>1954304
>release sequel
>remove content from previous game
>sell it back as DLC
Happens a lot these days, it's why GalCiv has been shit since 2

>>1954291
>t. zoomershit who thinks living neck-deep in shit is normal

>>1953620
>Have you tried a shitty meme mod to make your game more meme lolrandom dumb?
Fuck off and buy an add. I'm not even opening that link, already knowing the numeral, so not even helping your positioning, cunt

>>1953511
>It's over. This game will never cater to the hardcore audience.
... this game never had "hardcore audience", you dumb, pretentious fucker. It was always about le random maymay shit, thanks to CK2 fostering entire generation of paradrones that are into this shit
>inb4 any sort of excuse
Ask me how I know you are a newfag larper that was in preschool when CK2 came out and not even sperm when PDX was still trying to make serious strategy games.

>>1955550
More like Dynasty Warriors with those ratios.

>>1955615
>he doesn't get 50+ kills per battle in Warband
>he doesn't get 300+ kills per battle in Bannerlord
Skill issue
You would be a 5 Prowess knight at best in CK3

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>>1955014
Learning is such a motherfucking barren wasteland when it comes to events
>You need glasses
>You struggle to translate
>You need glasses
>You struggle to translate
>You struggle to translate
>You struggle to translate
>You need glasses
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

From the very fucking top of my head
>The good old heliocentric event chain from CK2
>Learning to read/getting tutor when you are low Learning
>Any fucking event when you teach low Learning char from court how to read
>Any fucking event if you have a ward where you teach or try to teach them something
>Interactions with your court medic (potentially making a side-line with legal/illegal section, memes galore)
>Actually writing a fucking book
>Actually buying a fucking ancient book or transcript
>Or some off-culture trinket
>Studying any of the innovations from neighbouring cultures that your own culture doesn't have
>Studying the innovation you are currently pursuing (how the fuck there is no event for this is beyond me)
>Getting chummy with your priest/devout lifestyle
>Getting really, really into the religion you are following
>Any random (and again - meme galore) inventions your character can come up with, working or not
>Going through the ledgers of your kingdom (potential income and/or claim - or trouble)
>Going through legends and folklore of your realm (legend mechanics and/or source of claim or prestige - or penalties)
And so on and forth
This is all so basic shit and yet somehow it's not present in any form. Instead, the game tells me twice a year that my character needs reading glasses.

>>1955550
Sir, this is a CK3 thread. You are posting a late 15h/early 16th century cavalry armour of the Milanese design. And one that is made for a left-handed user, at that.

>>1955625
>>Learning to read/getting tutor when you are low Learning
I still don't understand logic for retiring the CK2 events for raising your skill if it is below 6. It's such a weird fucking omission, especially given how people were asking for those in CK2 for a long while and then they are asking for it in CK3 now.

>>1955625
Adding my 5 cents
>Variety of random +100 progress to ANY lifestyle, because you read a book about it vs. some sort of temp bonus
>Learning events that trigger during tours (but are lifestyle ones) when you visit a landmark of any kind, with similar choice, effectively a double-over event for re-vising a place you saw once
>Any random events with two characters petitioning and you trying to be the wise king solving it, made 3d6 of those for variety sake
>Conditional events - if you or your ancestors were doing some sort of events with local bonuses, you can study how it was done back then to see if something can be improved, repeated (ie building an irrigation canal, so you can check out if it can be improved or fixed now)
Those would be a bigger hassle to script, but the save file stores all that data anyway

>>1955627
In the new scale, it would have to be below 9 or below 6 baseline to make it work. In CK2, 7 was average, but in 3, it's 9, so thing would need to be re-scaled.

>>1955630
But that's the beauty of it - we now have baseline and final stat stored separately. Meaning you can get the baseline to some specific value, and 6 is the final value where it gives penalties in CK3 (which also means 7 should be where the average range starts, not 9)
Either way, it is perfectly and easily doable.

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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/dev-diary-162-steppe-by-steppe.1728107/
Dev Diary 162 - Steppe by Steppe
An introduction to their present idea for steppe cultures
Nomadic governments
>use herds as main resource: ransoming dowry, bribes, or be stolen/raided
>don't use levies, herds become Horde Riders, who can be upgraded into other Horde regiments
>map naming scheme: culture head gets the cultural name (the mongols) while smaller rulers are house name + culture (borjigin mongols); cultural head has the biggest herd
>Nomadic Dominance affects vassal and domain limits, MAA, title and vassal revocation, settlement outside of the steppe (not shown)
>Obedient vassals: a threshold to not form factions, not start hostile schemes against lord, and vote in for them in the next election
Land
>counties have a fertility level, which depletes over time to a fixed number, affected by domain size, stewardship, dynasty perks, yurt buildings, etc
>non-playable herders run around, restoring fertility. They've no armies, but can pay a small amount of herd if subjected by a ruler
>three sub-regions, each with an affected season for fertility
Migration
>depends on Dominance: level 2 can target counties and duchies, while level 3 can target kingdoms
>can negotiate a migration into another's lands, else fight for the land
>nomads who lose their lands become landless, keeping their yurts and Obedient vassals, but not their herd doesn't grow
Yurts
>traveling domicile
Tributaries
>looser type of subject; Nomadic Tributaries have unique qualities.
>sets up a Tributary Contract, creating a truce, but can stop paying if suzerain looks weak
>nomadic tributaries pay in herd, while settled tributaries give gold
Confederations mentioned, but not shown
>low-tier rulers can band together against a bigger enemy, creating a defensive alliance for all fellow Confederates, though cannot increase Dominance or create new titles
Raid Intents
>desired outcome for raids

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>>1955695
Sounds pretty good. Knowing Paradox, something is going to be really broken on release. Herders are a weird mechanic and I don't think it makes much sense

>>1955074
They refluffed knights as representing the individual and a small personal retinue like how the 300 Spartans weren’t really only 300 but that is all most people remember to give a meme example.

>>1955709
they'll really do anything but make it possible for a holding to exist with no holder

>finally get nomads
>horse mana
monkey's paw

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>>1952878
They need more open ended events, not every event should be a story. They in fact should be the rare ones.
Thing happen A or B may seem dry on paper, but in practice it leaves more room for the player to roleplay and indulge in their imagination

>>1952874 (OP)
I wish they implemented a real loan system.
When you have negative gold you aren't allowed to do anything, and if you aren't lucky enought to get a loan from holy orders or the pope, you end up having to wait for years to get out of debt.
Like why can't you go to war in debt? War presents many opportunities to get out of debt, you might capture and ransom someone, and even get money from sieges

>>1956047
>Take a 1000 gold loan from Jews
>Kick them out when they demand I pay them back
Someone tell me why this wouldn't work

>>1956098
no one would ever lend to you again

>>1956100
Now that I've got all that gold to build shit I'll never need another loan ever again

>>1956098
You can't take loans from jews in CK3 because ti is anti-semitic.

>>1956100
You'd be surprised how much people willing to lend. England debt during HYW reached debt of 400K pounds, while having only income of 30K annually.

>>1955901
It had horse mana last time too

I think it's amazing except you can't play certain government types and that East Asia and South Africa are missing and that their could be way more events and options and more cultural flavor, I guess.

>>1955709
Why do they create mini-mechanics like obedience. It just doesn't connect with the opinion system or hooks at all. Such a hack way of doing things.

Similar to the regency mechanics, where you pressing buttons to shift power instead of actually using base mechanics.

>>1956272
Because the game is barren of gameplay, so they have to juice up the DLC content with minigames.

>>1956272
This. Same problem with EU4, each subsequent DLC just adds another menu or widget with no connection to the others.

>>1955695
>>non-playable herders run around, restoring fertility. They've no armies, but can pay a small amount of herd if subjected by a ruler
Why is that neccessary? You'd think fertility is restored gradually by itself.
Seems like that just way to avoid provinces being empty, because the game can't seem to handle colonizable provinces.

Also, these nomads seem to be exclusive steppe, so no Lappish reindeer nomads or Arab camel nomads. It's exactly the same mistake they did in CK2.

>>1955695
god what a joke

>>1956399
>Seems like that just way to avoid provinces being empty, because the game can't seem to handle colonizable provinces.
The engine can handle it, we saw that in Imperator, but devs are afraid of implementing it for some reason.

>>1955615
kek maybe so
as a kid I did some autistic shit with a lance when I was the last man on the field. You maybe did too.

>>1955637
>>1955627
Because they replaced all monthly chances with progress bars. Low Learning in CK2 sucked donkey dick.

>>1955901
What would you have had? Use development?

>>1955626
Not him but it's a symmetrical design, it's just that the perspective and image quality fucks it up.

>>1952874 (OP)
On that topic, are Republics playable yet? Or should I just go back to CK2 when I have that itch?

>>1956399
>Why is that neccessary? You'd think fertility is restored gradually by itself.
>Seems like that just way to avoid provinces being empty, because the game can't seem to handle colonizable provinces.
it's so AGOT can add the Lhazarene with an already in game framework when they expand Essos

>>1956654
>are Republics playable yet?
No. There were mods back in the day but they are all out of date as far as I know. Imperial administrative realms exist now that have some similarities with city owning, families vying for top power in the realm and a family estate but mostly are something else.
Trade routes, trade ports and ships don’t exist in unmodded CK3 like they did in CK2 so being a money grubbing merchant isn’t there yet.
With landless estates now existing in CK3 republics are more reasonable to see added but they say that wouldn’t be until next year at the earliest and they are apparently working on Nomads this year instead of the recent dev diary is anything to go by. The landless, movable domiciles are applicable to them as well so that was another one that made sense to expect.

>>1956850
I see. Well I might hold out on getting the game in that case I think.
Landless characters sound cool, but I'm not sure how well that works with CK. I remember how once they went more into "character-centric" content, for lack of a better name, in CK2 (mainly referring to societies) it just became way too easy to make a totally overpowered character with little effort, I wouldn't be surprised if it's similar with landless chars in Ck3

>>1953993
>>1953339
>>1952878
Why not write events? If you could do 3/day a couple of months would solve your issue.

>>1956894
Sure, how much is the pay?

>>1956948
Depends how much you market it.

>>1956850
>>1956863
That's not quite true though. Government change mod with the reform into republic feature is working fine even if not technically up to the latest patch. And trade posts, trade ports and trade heavy game is absolutely in the vanilla game. Money focus of stewardship is good 70% trade expeditions and shit and there are special culture traits and the whole silk road mechanic that play into that.

>>1956657
Wouldn't surprised me, I feel like features were literally added them in mind.
Like house mottos

>>1956117
wow can you at least take loans from upper class white bankers?

>>1957121
You can only take loans form holy orders for some reason.

Clan government is such a shitshow
they are programmed to constantly murder eachother it seems, even at the highest house unity

>>1957254
>they are programmed to constantly murder eachother it seems, even at the highest house unity
Really? Did you check the murder scheme files to see if there is a modifier making it more likely for clans? I know it was encouraged with Islamic government and religion in CK2 and it even blocked kinslayer traits in that game because of it.
Clans are more likely to land their own houses and also be hated by vassals if they don’t have alliances so perhaps that leads to a feeling of more murders even if it isn’t scripted as such?

>>1957640
i dont know, but i never seen so many open kinslayers in my family before, despite it being a capital crime.
i need to try to figure out why they are doing it. Im trying to give every grown man his own title, maybe they are trying to usurp them, dunno

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I did not care for landless gameplay

got cucked at a hunt again lads
then a deer killed me

>>1957670
So many parts of landless feel unfinished, like the visiting holdings aspect where you always have the same few options and chances for "rare" opportunities like picking up the barfly. And going for schemes especially early on is a straight up trap, you waste so much time compared to non-scheme missions. Like others have said, really only the mercenary gameplay is interesting.

>>1957847
Stags were associated with cuckoldry in classical representations

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>>1957670
i do

>>1958042
still trying to figure out why

>>1958042
Source?

would culture constructor at the start be too powerful

>>1958287
It's insanely powerful even post game so yes but it's your singleplayer experience so who gives a fuck

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yea...

>>1958321
I hate ck3 "technology", flip, and magically everyone of certain culture magically have access to some shit, even in provinces that half-world away from main culture blob.
CK2 system while not perfect, was much better.

>>1957670
Landless gameplay only fun part of CK3, because it's not trying to pretend that game is strategy.

>>1958321
why does he have multiple assistances from spouse

>>1958326
Probably one from actual waifu and the other from a vizier or such. Or that mod enabled spouse bonus from multiple wives at once.

>>1958324
>you spy on Byzantium and catch up in tech in just a few decades
No, it wasn't. Shut up.

>>1958350
>catch up in tech in just a fe decades
In a single province. And then, if you move your capital, you it's stay in that province.
And as i said, it was not perfect system, but better than current slop.

>>1958354
>I got nerfed
>my shitter ass can't cope
>therefore, it's slop
Sneed.

>>1958355
>CK3 IS BETTER THAN CK2, PLEASE STOP SAYING THINGS IO DON'T LIKE!!!
Nigger

>>1958366
If you like easier games, yeah CK2 is better, I guess. Shitter.

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Got the Queen of the Muzzies. Wouldn't mind making her a concubine but if she is beautiful everyone will cuck me.

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>>1958463
10 out of 10 in the middle east

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why
why are they always doing it
fucking retarded AI

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>>1958547

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>>1958548
>close family
>equal realm
yet they still choose patrilinear marriage every fucking time

>>1956272
>Why do they create mini-mechanics
To peddle DLCs that are all self-contained entities unconnected with anything
>b-but why
Because they are dumb niggers, but they found out that there are even dumber niggers who will pay for those DLCs

How come I can't get my grand children appearing in scandinavian elective. Seems like I am doomed to play 50 year old guys who have already lived their life.

>>1958726
>he doesn't know

>>1958730
Enlighten me then so I do know.

>>1958731
By outliving your direct offspring and rising your grandkids as if they were yours, for the role of your successors. You basically play every other generation.

>>1958753
I just found this
>Also if you want to select your grandson as your playet heir. Disinheirt the grandson's father and he and all of his siblings should pop up as eligible candidates in the Scandinavian or Feudal elective selection.
So it's either run my children into plagues and doomstacks or disinherit them kek. I already take good care of the best grandkids.

>>1958760
>I just found this
Nigger, this is just common sense since the game came out. Part of the reason why Monasticism is so good choice for religion is because you don't have to cheat or do blatant Uriah set-ups, but just tell your kid to go fuck off into a monastery once he pops out a grandkid or two.

I am 100% certain the next big DLC will be China. The nomad government type is the necessary prelude to it, which will be the small DLC that comes right before. We're getting China in 2025. Screenshot this.

>>1958803
I think they will but I'd say give it a few years. They haven't done any India or African updates yet and I figure they'd at least give them something before they move onto map additions. I'd put my bets on 2028.

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>das rite, we wuz in baden
It's been half a year and they still haven't fixed the adventurer spam?

one of my favorite playstyles in ck3 is going intrigue, marrying my children to the 2nd or 3rd kingdom/empire inheritor in line (since AI dont value them as much as the 1st) and then just murdering the other AI children so that mine would be the one who's kids would inherit the whole thing. Anti blob playthrough with focus on renown, highly recommended.

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What do you think of the community packs?

>>1959208
i think that paradox business plan is clearly working and that i have 1000h+ in ck3 thanks to it.

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i at least hope they programmed mongol invasion in their mod.
The blob was supposed to shatter 100 years ago

>>1959239
vanilla steppe gets me so angry

>>1959271
Channel that ARYAN VRIL and conquer some brown people

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>>1957662
god fucking damnit

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>>1959291

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>>1959291
why did she do it?
who the fuck knows

>>1958803
>I am 100% certain the next big DLC will be China. The nomad government type is the necessary prelude to it,
... how the fuck either of those things is connected, schizo-kun?

>>1958366
>Can't figure out simple game mechanics
>Throws a bitch-fit about it
... you were saying?

being an adventurer is so boring holy shit why does everybody say this is a good expansion

Thinking of picking up this game or going back to CK2. I've heard you can work your way up from a landless character in this one. Is it also possible to go from landed to landless, like if another dynasty would inherit all your land for whatever reason or maybe even on a whim by choice?

got the Conqueror trait on my 34 year old Italian Emperor. RIP in peace the rest of the world, im taking everything with this broken trait

>>1959864
yes

>>1956399
The real question is why not just add devastation to the province and reduce the development instead of having herders.

Adding even more npcs to the game seems stupid given the game tracks family history for everyone and destroys performance as the game goes on

>>1957670
Landless is just straight up op and the menus for everything involved with it are annoying.


Explain to me why we can't have every interaction for a town listed in one event click instead of having to shift through so many sub menus

>>1958547
The game doesn't treat your great grandchildren as related to you at all even if they're directly in line for the throne

>>1958548
This doesn't fix it because if they're more than a few people removed from you they're no longer considered actual members of your family and thus aren't beholden to that rule

>>1952874 (OP)
This game is so ass in multiplayer, why is transferring the save file artificially limited in download speed. Why can't we just use steam multiplayer. Stupid honestly.

>>1960261
Oh and it's very clear they don't have multiplayer in mind at all for their dlcs

The tournaments in a multiplayer game are beyond ass and barely work, you have to constantly pause and click through the events or it breaks the tournament

>>1960255
awesome
so its either a micromanage hell or maybe theres a mod for that.

>>1960273
There's not a mod for it. It's honestly incredibly retarded and leads to odd situations.

Example my son and grandson died before me making my great grandson the tier. I couldn't invite him to court though as he was made a wandering by the game and was in fucking Mongolia

Ck3 needs the ability to abdicate the throne, seems weird I'm forced to lead til deal even if I'm an infirm drunkard who's heavily wounded

>>1960241
That was exactly what I meant.
Devs claim reason why child mortality and fertility rates are lower than historical is to reduce dead characters.
But at the same time they are not very sparing with the rest of the game, e.g. there are many events that will spawn a random character and if you take certain character, the character gets just deleted.
But that character will still consume character ID

>>1960282
it would be too OP. abdication in the middle ages was quite uncommon, atleast in the western world

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>>1959119
>kidnap kings
>kidnap their heirs
>force the heirs to convert
>kill the king
I'm turning Khazaria to my religion and massively weakening them due to the civil wars that pop out. It's good fun making the religion map mode your blobbing.

>>1960282
>how are you still alive.jpeg
Would be redundant in that situation

>>1960313
>Devs claim reason why child mortality and fertility rates are lower than historical is to reduce dead characters.
That's weird because the reaper's due in CK2 improved performance because it made dead characters.

got killed by a bison lads
herbivores - 4, warlords - 0

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>>1960366
It's super easy to live long long in ck3 with all the life expectancy you can stack from buildings. (I'd argue it's more worth it to make sure you never pick up lifetime bonuses so you can cycle to leaders as young as possible)

>>1960474
Henry the 8th lived for what, 50-60 years? And he had every STD available, morbid obesity and borderline gangrene in his leg. Why'd you want to cycle leaders that fast anyway?

>>1960475
Cycling leaders is very good for country stability, you would preferably enter every life around 16 to prevent the ai from ruining relationships with others

Switching characters also effectively wipes out negative relations you built up

boy these late game wars are a slog

>>1960494
That's not how it works bro. If you cycle too often you lose out on the long rule, you lose your dread and intimidate, you lose a bunch of legitimacy and prestige, you eat the short rule and the relation to the previous king or whatever is passed along as a ticking down modifier.

>>1960570
Brother it's exactly how it works long rule does not mater when one legend gives you a five general reputation building or the same religion bonus building. Legitimacy only stands to go up on a death since you can just host a funeral. You can stack so many modifiers to negate a death but you can not do anything about hooks generated on you or secrets known about you

>>1960586
Lol alright but how late game are we talking here if that's reliably spammable?

>>1960643
With scaling costs and stewardship lifestyle pretty much the start of the game

>>1960656
>start of the game
>stacking legends
>stacking duchy buildings
huh

>>1960691
I think we just have different ways of playing the game

>>1960700
Guess so but I wouldn't mind you elaborating how you get the ball rolling that quickly

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>>1960390
bison got another one lads

>>1960722
https://youtu.be/GlhOUyy4wbs [Embed]

>>1960733
That's 3 x 15% chances in a row need to get some chun li over here in this

>>1960756
>gets blanka instead
>huehuehuehue intensifies

>>1960718
In the modern game you only need about one lifetime to become filthy rich honestly, hard focus dev and cash, spam the exploit vassal decision from stewardship. Oh and go to every tournament or event offered to you and travel a lot, you can convert artifacts into gold after all and it'll pick up life style xp.

With the introduction of admin realms my new strategy is just focus on forming into an admin realm in the first life so I can chill for the rest of the game and not have to worry about lifespan or succession. Admin realms are just better than any other form of government and incredibly loyal and stable since you can just make it ran by exclusively your family.

>>1960778
Clan with zakat decree is nothing so scoff at either and much more hands off and tribal can stack some crazy bank before you convert but sure, admin is pretty good. I'm curious about how you're rushing both dev and tech level for the duchy buildings required for those cycling shenanigans though.

>>1960797
I can't speak for clans as I haven't really played them outside of grabbing achievements. The main bonus of admin though is the focus you give to each duchy and then the admin efficency of the governor giving 50% income

As far as dev and tech. I mean dev speeds up how fast you get tech since tech is based on average development of the counties the culture is present in, but really teaching up without researching is also easy of you're welling to hybrid your culture.

Hybrid with someone, have your heir turned into some other culture, hybrid that culture with another, and then hybrid the hybrids on the next life for instance is super strong and can grant you all the other lifestyle trees from other cultures

The other thing I'd say is being a vassal is extremely strong since you can just ask your overlord to transfer dev to your capital from his and ask him to build you holdings.

>>1960812
>clans
I honest to god don't think any of the other governments even come close to allround benefits, ease of use and sheer utility. You've got CBs, you've got basically free alliances and no factions with your vassals, you've got spectacular synergy with housemembers, you've got money, levies and combat bonuses out the ass. You've got the ability to habsurg your way into getting titles both domestic and foreign like there's no tomorrow. Without polygamy and or castration traditions it's miniature administrative when it comes to keeping your duchies in order. Make a republic duchy+ vassal and pop Jizya or Zakat on them and you'll be shitting out gold like Midas.

But.

Almost none of that is precisely what you'd call early game. In theory later start and byzantine so graveyard two isn't out of the question by ruler 2 but just how are you able to *stack* legends early on?

>>1960271
MPnigs can go pound sand.

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>paradox still hasn't fixed the hybrid cultures between european and non-european cultures being 90% white bug
surely they know about this? Are they just too lazy?

>>1960879
based

>>1960248
The visit holding event feels like some sort of modded gameplay. Clicking through event buttons for core adventurer gameplay feels ad-hoc. This Dev team just has no idea. I doubt they even play their own game for any lengthy period of time.

i am losing my fucking mind over these artifact claim wars

>>1960958
Understandable. The Golden Buttplug of Antioch is a coveted object.

>>1960494
but i dont have any negative relations, i murder all my rivals before they could do the same. And any civil war generally just means more of my dynasty is getting the titles.
I'd say theres more negative sides in switching the ruler than positives. And ultimogeniture is the best since you can play longer.

playing the game makes you realize that polygamy for women is completely pointless and is just a modern fetish

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>>1961086
Next you'll tell me you never wound up jerking off due to the game, without a single Lover's Lab mod installed.

Best thing about roads to power is stealing all the holy muslim artifacts and sticking them in the cabinet of curios where nobody can use them.

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>>1959291
>34 rivals
Impressive levels of hate

>>1958384
>>1958384
There nothing to figure in CK3, you either get tech passively or choose one that you want to get first if you have most counties with your culture. That's all, and that's dogshit compared to CK2.

i should just stop trying to get witch coven in the house with 500 members, its impossible

>>1961284
Cadet houses could’ve saved you from that

>>1959291
>>1959294
>>1959298
Is her religion incest? Is there something you aren’t telling us?

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>>1961318
no its what she believes in
probably bad for polygamy although no inbred characters in 200 years

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god damn it another king appeared
wish these hohols would stop going west I'm going to get crusaded against

whats going on with the Byzantines that they have almost constant civil wars? i thought the new government made them OP or something

>>1961483
>Norse diverged in Ukraine
How? The AI never does that.

>>1961505
yeah that was me so I could be in charge of research

>>1952878
wanting more event slop is cringe.

>fuck the main succession line
>become an adventurer
>fps suddenly increases, the game becomes buttery smooth

>>1961546
wth

is it worth constructing new buildings or upgrading in my vassals holdings? i have no shortage of gold

>>1961561
they pay you taxes from these buildings, i usually build them the lvl1 building just so they didnt build some stupid shit like hunting grounds

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>>1959210
looks good

>>1959271
compare to what?

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>>1959210
>content creator pack
Is this paid mods?

>>1961086
>having the aggressive and competetive sex vying for the same hole is silly
You don't say?

>>1960271
who the fuck plays CK3 for multiplayer in first place? holy shit

>>1961583
Paradox's argument is that they commissioned modders to make these, and so they would never have existed otherwise. However they justify it, this is an obvious approach to the slippery slope of paid mods, and a Steam store page with 300 micro DLCs that any new player will roll their eyes at and close the page when they see the cumulative price.

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>>1961728
ck3 has 78k reviews, roads to power has 1,8k. There are no new players.

>boot up game where I want to form slavia
>hate to defend against like the third crusade
>instantly lose all motivation to play

>>1961737
I don't think it's fair comparison. People only really review DLCs when they pissed them off and well, most Steam players don't buy all the DLCs in the first place. Last time I checked the steam charts, CK3 had 14-16k regular players and slowly rising

>play CK3
>no soulful sound effects
>return to CK2

>>1961706
I'm sorry you don't have friends anon

man i was about to bitch about the legends system being annoying, but holy FUCK Evangelize the Realm is crazy

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When are they gonna add content for this area?

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>>1961278
>he's still defending this shit
>he's pretending he isn't seething by getting filtered
lol

lmao

CK2 tech is all incremental and linear. Just like building levels. Completely marginal increases to levy numbers, and opinion modifiers.

CK3 innivations can only be gotten one at a time, and are keeping out absolutely MASSIVE boosts. Like Crossbow Man-At-Arms, prior to which, there is no counter to Horse Archers. Massive Increases to man-at-arms from age to age, and levies just nerfed into the ground. Inheritance laws harder to get. Building advancements harder to get. And blobbing is punished, because your culture occupying undeveloped shitholes slows everything down.

CK3 is OBJECTIVELY more difficult than CK2, and you are salty about getting filtered, faggot. Bullying you isn't difficult at all. Like beating up a toddler.

>>1961926
Whenever they want more review bombing from China
>>1961925
You get some really good stuff from the heroic legends as well. Statues, CBs

>>1961939
>projection and mental illness
You are just schizoid, arent you?
>counters-matter, it's not just spamming single unit type all the way
Yeah, you are.

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>>1961483
leave the croatians alone you fucking idiot you're meant to be content

>>1961530
>t. never played the game

>>1953511
>the hardcore audience.
>Victoria 3 - woke numbers go up cookie clicker game with a thousand of nothingburger events to keep you busy, plays the same everywhere, also marxist power fantasy for some reason
>CK3 - incest meme game like 2 but casualized further
>Imperator - LMAO
>HoI 4 - arcadey nazi/communist world conquest lolcow simulator
>Stellaris - le space genocide game

Paradox legitimately hasn't a given shit about 'the hardcore audience' since at least EU4, arguably at least since HoI 3, and those games released well over a decade ago.

>>1962028
>losing up to 90% of your damage doesn't matter
Do you even play the game you're bitching about?

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>>1961926
fuck off

>>1961881
i have a whole gang of paradox autists friends that play every fucking paradox GSG, yet only HoI4 is the one that we might play together once every year

but we never bothered trying EU4, CK3 or Vic 3 multiplayer

>>1952878
this

>>1962126
And these friends, are they here with us now? Take your meds schizo

>>1953511
>hehe number becomes bigger number
>hardcore audience

>>1962179
>math bad

>>1961939
>CK3 innivations can only be gotten one at a time, and are keeping out absolutely MASSIVE boosts. Like Crossbow Man-At-Arms, prior to which, there is no counter to Horse Archers. Massive Increases to man-at-arms from age to age, and levies just nerfed into the ground. Inheritance laws harder to get. Building advancements harder to get. And blobbing is punished, because your culture occupying undeveloped shitholes slows everything down.
It is a little more complex that that. For one it is often two at a time because the cultural exposure innovation growth is separate from the focus one but you have much less control over it.
This also overlooks the hybridization mechanics of the royal court dlc. Hybridize with a culture and you swipe ALL their innovations that they have and you don’t for your new culture as well as getting all your previous ones from your old culture too. This is similar to how forming Norman culture worked in the base game where you get all the Norse and French innovations for the Normans. Depending on the culture you can get a lot of them this way like if they have malleable invaders. It is also the only way to grab certain innovations or cultural traditions that are locked if you don’t begin with them like the Chinese crossbows or mystic ancestors.

>>1961926
I played there a few times in both games where you could, being a Han Chinese guy on the edge was kinda fun because it's a unicorn tier rare culture on the CK map with a different religion look and feel. Forming TIbet was also alright.
Playing in the Pakistan-India-Bangladesh area is just boring though, the whole subcontinent has been pretty much non-existent in Western pop culture for over a hundred years, so I just feel nothing about taking land there.
It's not much different from playing in Siberia, and even West Africa is more interesting.

>>1962106
>Empty steppe is empty
>Marshy swamps are marshy
I fail to see your problem

>>1962106
Russia is such boring region, but only because of the regions surrounding it.
LIke Russia itself is pretty interesting they added wastelands to the north and massive rivers.
But it's the fact Poland-Lithunia is boring and Eastern Ukraine is boring.
Also counties in Russia are extremely large like 5 times size of Swedish counties, so everything tends to look so fucking ugly.

>>1962451
>Also counties in Russia are extremely large like 5 times size of Swedish counties
this artificial restriction annoys me to no end, i use more provinces mod to circumvent it but its such a bitch to make work with other mods.

>>1962451
for some fucking reason they forbid longships for russia even tho the first thing in history that is written about that region is their river raiding. Every flavor mod adds them back.

>>1962461
>>1962463
Also they ruined Slavic paganism in order to make it "unique".
In CK2 slavic pagans could take concubines like all other pagans.
In CK3 Slavic pagans are only pagans that can't take concubines for some retarded reason even though there is a historical precident. Vladimir the Great had like a thousand concubines.

>>1962451
I love Russia in EU4 and I love it here.
>shall I wipe out the pajeets?
>take back Constantinople?
>hate chinks
>Might as well keep going past Alaska
You can do so much with it. Can't wait to play Veliky Novgorod at the height of it's power in EU5.

>>1962473
even christian european regions should be able to take concubines, which would be upsetting to the pope but they still did it. And the members of the church did it too, even more often.

>>1962481
There is a cultural tradition that allows it

>>1962481
Yeah, concubines and subkings pretty much characterize the early medieval period.
During early modern period, concubines became mistresses, and subkings became dukes.


Essentially popes kept telling people to cut it out and has the papal power increased during high medieval period they were able to pull it off.
So, accurate depiction would be Catholicism starting off with concubines, and AI pope should be scripted to reform Catholicism to ban them.

Even then, I'd like a soft approach, like even if religion doesn't allow concubines, one should be able to take them, even if cost you monthly piety or something

>>1962106
Hey I'd like more Russian and Eastern Europe content that would be cool. I just think it's extremely weird that India doesn't have anything yet. Unless were counting the Persian parts that kind of go in.
>>1962420
The biggest issue right now is that playing in India feels like playing in any other feudal European kingdom when it shouldn't.

>>1961561
when I'm flooded with money I usually start building new holdings in the empty slots in my vassal counties
I have no idea if it's the ideal way to burn like 3000 gold but it makes me feel like I'm doing something useful

>>1962500
There are cultural traditions for concubinage or multiple wives but it likely isn’t as widespread as it should be, in part because of the power and because of the way traditions work.
Similarly and probably more important is the religious investiture controversies. There is already a mechanic in the game for a culture to override a religious requirement (marriage vs polygamy vs concubinage) so there should get something similar for controlling investiture to have temporal in a spiritual religion. Of course CK3 is weird about it with the realm priest leasing set up and difficulty in making theocracies.
For something has important as it was in the medieval era not having investiture squabbles and Antipopes feels wrong. Antipopes feel like even more of an oversight with CK3’s more fluid head of religion system so you could have anti-HOF for more than Catholicism.

>>1962250
It's mostly a means for Tribals to catch up, as they're locked out of the tech tree. And still more difficult than just planting your Spymaster elsewhere. It's not really an exploit, unless you just get two people in multiplayer to collude.

>>1962166
I'm sorry you that don't have real friends anon

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>>1962500
And in what period do you pull your head out of your ass and stop larping?

>>1962919
learning history = larping

Why not tie innovations to specific characters? You recruit or kidnap them and they boost a particular tech for you

>>1962952
It works that way for the development growth innovation for stewards. It is based on the stewards culture, not your own, so if you grab a steward from a culture that has it at a level your culture doesn't then they don't take the penalty for hitting development cap like you do.

>>1963074
whaaaat

>>1963137
wait, development growth is not what im talking about, nwm. I want to kidnap scientists as a savage and become technologically advanced, like mongols in a brief time before their shitty government system collapsed

>>1963074
i need to test it but i think the cap depends on the culture of the province, not the steward?

just spent 20 years murdering everyone higher than me in a title claim in a foreign province thinking that i would get it if nobody else is there to claim it. Nope. New owners just sprouted out of the ground endlessly before i gave up and conquered it in 5 minutes.

>>1963138
According to the development diary they allude to some sort of mechanic for nomads to do that in the upcoming nomad DLC but didn’t explain it yet. You can steal development for your capital up to about 15 development via raiding and sacking holdings though, which while not what you had in mind can improve your development and thus innovation speed. I believe it is described as capturing slaves.
The higher development growth from a better culture steward also lets you improve development and thus innovation speed too indirectly.

>>1963140
The wiki says that it is the steward’s culture rather than the county or liege for the steward’s increase development task but also says there might be a bug so who fucking knows and I’ll need to double check too now

>>1963161
Title claim is different than line of inheritance but I can see why it might be good to have a mechanic where the title starts going to claimants if there is no one left in the line of inheritance at all but inheritance vs claims has been a shakey matter historically too. I guess it is easier code wise too to have it default to auto generation if there is no one in line of inheritance instead of tracking line of claim inheritance too, how do you decide whose claim is “higher” after all.

>get declared a war on you
>declare a counter war
>kidnap the enemy leader
>win instantly, take his territory
>the whole thing took 1 minute
intrigue is the absolute most powerful skill tree after the patch that introduced agent slots

>>1963200
its probably not an issue, i just didnt know that the game doesnt value claims at all when choosing an inheritor. Even if its for a dutchy that you have a province in.

>>1963260
For some elective inheritance it can. I bought a claim on another title, killed off the other people and they elected me

>>1956272
>>1956372
>>1958703
>b-but why
it's the whole business model of modern paradox: they can sell more DLCs if they can be sold separately, it would be difficult to sell gorillion of DLCs few years after the release to a new player or someone who only has the base game
but there are always retards who will buy a new DLC because "it's only $30"

in the good old days (EU3) we had proper expansions which were built on top of each other and this problem didn't exist

this isn't going away unless PDX changes their whole business model which won't happen, EU5 will be the same

>>1953511
>They did nothing but matchmaking and meme incest shit
So like how most people played CK2?

>This game will never cater to the hardcore audience.
It never did.

>>1962949
Then learn it dumbass, don't just make shit up based on what you saw happen in CK2/3. The only culture in that timeframe and map with any form of legal and customary concubinage was present would be Seljuks.

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>>1963315
>it is illegal therefore it didnt happen
same sheltered naive tarded idea as
>we should take the guns away, then the crime will disappear

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>>1963334
My point is it wasn't institualized and ritualized like in the (far) east. He's talking about priests having mistresses since they couldn't and still can't marry, using concubine as a buzzword to scandalize it. That's in the game already.

You taking that shit at face value and then applying it to everyone is the same stretch as this priest was caught diddling kids. So every priest is diddling kids. The church is pro kid diddling and everyone who's part of that church is a kid diddler.

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>>1963344
are you just defending the christian church? i dont give a fuck, i just think the game should let you take culturally customary actions regardless of what the church law says because its what happened in reality. European pagans practiced polygamy long after being christianized but in ck3 the rule of church is absolute.

>>1963363
yes, marriage and sexual relationships should be a cultural thing, not religious. Religious authority might approve or disapprove but not make it impossible.

>>1963369
i think that would be a nice mechanic, having to change the cultural custom just for your people to start getting some piety

>>1963363
I'm talking shit about paradox being incompetent fucks that don't provide any substantial gameplay changes between catholics, orthodox, muslims and turks and just lump most if not all in the easiest and most retarded way possible 9/10. And experience with that shouldn't be used as an example for how actual things were. Say insular in ck3. Some local priests did marry but paradox translates that to all feudal lords practiced legalized polygamy.

Thought I would give out land to my champions that kept helping me in schemes.
Giving land to dirty bastards never worked out well on the succession haha

>>1963419
This is why sneaky backstabbing traitors are often given bad “rewards”. That recognition of talent trait can be tricky about it too because the recruits or pardoned get the powerful Loyalty permanent strong hook making them have a great opinion boost and never betray you but your heirs don’t get the same relationship deal.

>>1963363
>>1963369
>>1963372
>>1963398
>cultural custom
But it already is, merely implemented in a clunky manner because there is a cultural tradition that will override religion on allowing concubines or polygamy. The only issues are it takes up a valuable tradition slot and is only given at start to groups that have a religion normally disallowing such relationship (the Celtic Christians for example, which were originally polygamous by religion but had it changed to be by culture instead) so groups that get it by religion lose it when they convert so they would then need to go back and add it as a new tradition which is clunky. It is still less set in stone than CK2 where religion determined it and there was no overriding it with culture even if the current set up isn’t ideal. In theory it could be something like how cultures have their own military gender laws distinct from religion but putting everything into its own separate culture categories would likely be too powerful and easy to minmax.

>>1963363
>Merovingian kings
>7th century
Rather before the time periods covered in 3

>>1952874 (OP)
How hard is it for a first time modder to add dragons from AGOT to base game? Since it looks like no one is doing it.

>>1963363
>but in ck3 the rule of the church is absolute
Barely until the Greogrian reforms. After Charlemagne, Rome fell back into its own mob-devices until Otto sorted things out. But, even then, it was the Emperor leading clerical reform, not the Papacy, until the likes of Gregory started to assumes his own authority and start the investiture controversy

>>1963602
That is what he meant, comparing the game Ck3 where it is absolute with reality.
I find the lack of investiture squabbling and antipopes to be a much bigger issue than cultural concubinage concerns

I want to give ek2's mannimarco the conqueror trait in debug and see what silly shit he does

>>1952874 (OP)
Here is an idea that would completely reshape the game and make realm management even more important.

At the moment, only thing vassal can do is join faction revolt, so even passive vassals who hate their liege contribute power of the king.
But what kingdoms were completely dependent on vassals and their approval rating?

Like instead of vassals contributing levies, they would have to be called to war invidually like allies?
I don't mean to call all your vassals to every war, but you that would call 3-4 powerful vassals and rotate them.

If the vassal likes you, he will come to arms without a question.
But if he dislike you, he might ask a hook, and if you refuse, he won't come but will get a just imprisoned cause.

>want to play a gsg
>feel like I can't, because an update is coming
>CK3
>Stellaris
>HoI4
>last option is Victoria 3, and I might perish, if I do it recklessly

How do you get this game to run without crashing every 5 minutes?

>>1964151
Really? Mine runs like butter with animations and shadows. Looks like you need a upgrade unfortunately fren.
>>1963893
Nah they laws and dynamics in CK3 are getting so crunchy and varied and layered it's insane. There's always like 20 goals trying to be achieved, subtle changes in power, and if you listen to history documentaries and try to implement strategies and systems you hear about it often works just the same. This is like the most immersive emergent rpg I have ever played.

>>1964151
Check your error log to see what is going on and check your mods.

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>>1963893
EU4 is finished

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Is it worth pumping development here for the neighbour bonus radiating out or should I just keep working on the capital?

>>1964409
True, but it's too abstract for me.

>>1964414
How is your capital in comparison? Is it approaching the development cap for your era? Is your heir going to inherit it?

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just got this game and i play as landless but had to delete my chart as i thought the progress was too slow

i played the tutorial but i wanna play landless...how do i get anything actually done? i dont know what im doing

>>1964582
I think the capital is at 28 (not in game right now) but idk what the dev cap is. Been feudal for about 50 years and yeah, my heir gets everything. All the other provinces around Zythomir are sitting at about 8. I honestly like this system better than dev clicks in EU4. Maybe in the future computers would be able to handle a ck game with trade goods, pops, devving and characters.

>>1964589
The dev cap is based on innovation, it's a soft cap since you can go above it (there's calculations for how much it hurts your growth).
Based on the date of 977 you're either 20 (Public Works) or 35 (Communal Government) development soft cap

Cucked Kings 3

>>1964632
Shart Kings 3
WE WUZ II: The Age of Kangz 'N Shiet

>>1964602
Yeah, it's going to be 20 then. Not even sure if I have public works. Research is so slow for me.

>>1964664
If you don't even have public works then the cap is 10

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>>1964680
right hang on I'm going to load this back up that would be hilarious

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>>1964680
Ok so I have public works but the capital has no existing development malus.
Kiev - 28 dev
Zhytomyr - 19 dev

>>1964685
Existing development penalty only happens when promoting development with the councilor. If you just have passive development without using the steward then you won't get a penalty

>>1964686
Ah, gotcha. That makes sense.

>>1964685
why do you care? development produces so little benefits so it doesn't really matter

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ANSWER ME HOW DO I FUCKING WIN
DO NOT IGNORE ME FOR I AM THE GREATEST PERSON HERE MOST LIKELY

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>>1964772
>ANSWER ME HOW DO I FUCKING WIN
You set goals for yourself and just play until you get bored. The closest thing to winning is to play until you reach the end date of 1453, but almost no one does that and you can turn the end date off so it never actually ends. Think of this like The Sims for men, you build up your home and play with your dolls by making them them fuck around and die.

>>1964775
ugh i fell for it again?
I just heard there was a medieval romance and royalty simulator experience
paradox already fucked me over stealing 338 hours from me with stellaris, i never won
i still need to win once so i dont lose pride