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https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP rework leak, Hiram Fong replaces Romney scrapping years of work in the process because it "didn't fit the Republican narrative".
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.
https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.

>TNO:RA
https://gitgud.io/Ivanishvili/TNORA - TNO: Rises Again Git. Atlantropa TNO for current HOI4 with new content.

>LEAKED BUILDS
Just making sure these aren't lost again.
2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe
2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/
2023:
https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuo
https://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions End
https://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Web
https://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branch
https://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides

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>News
>Japan proposal leaked and is put in the OP
>Guangdong deletion possibly disproven
>TNO devs are sperging about politics instead of deving
Nothing happened.

Can someone give me the QRD on the Japan proposal? Did they make it any better since the flowchart with the OTL PMs? All Euro and US content is a lost cause but at least something interesting can happen there.

what is the troon percentage of the devs?

>>2143345
>TNO so dead the news section isn’t even 100 words long

>>2143368
It's actually gone down significantly. Apart from their head janny I think most leads that actually stir shit and drama are radlib dudes actually.

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>>2143370
On one hand it seemed like an emergency bake because some faggot make a fake bake without the original baker's leaks included.
On the other hand nothing happened either really since the devs went on lockdown after... Well, you know.

>>2143422
It'd be insanely funny if its actually the trannies that are the ones that are super productive, and TNO just constantly churns through them.

Trannies being as sensitive as they are would leave over half this toxic shit from the Mango Clique for sure

>>2143523
I think it's more about schizophrenia and severe autism and letting it flourish. Pacifica was trans before working on TNO, but the people that made up the RKs, all the civil wars, the NPP and more were schizos or total autists. With a realism clique in charge you're not getting any of either so TNO has locked itself out from some of the community's best workhorses.

>>2143352
The most recent flowchart matches the design doc, main difference is a few subids that make me think the flowchart is newer/more up to date than the doc.

The new Japan lore is that Kishi tried to make wartime measures permanent at the end of the war and do popular mobilisation to created a real social base for the yokusankai, but the conservative establishment panicked and forced him out so workers rights and government control over the economy could be rolled back, but the big tent one party state stayed, just as an establishment patronage network mostly. There's still some ancient pre-war libs hanging about wanting to restore taisho democracy and some young corporatists who want to turn it into a proper party who are in charge at the start.
The conservative rollback post-war has caused some issues, particularly in the countryside, leading to major riots that had to be put down violently and really shook the system before the start date, so dealing with it and implementing some sort of land reform is going to be important.

>>2143352
>>2143565
The yasuda crisis at the start of the game will bring down the initial government but your path is then determined how well you handle it. The structure of each branch is repetitive, post-yasuda you get one of three leaders, each one only rules for two years before dying or being removed at which point based on your choices under him you get one of two paths, making effectively 6 paths in total, not counting 'multiple endings' or possible failstates for each.

If you handle yasuda criss well damage to the system is minimal, establishment steady hands take over with Kaya, and the choice for the player is either going with the managerial bureaucrats who want to end politicians meddling with the system under Fukuda or the conservative establishment politicians who just want to maintain the status quo.

If you fuck up the yasuda crisis completely, it destroys the legitimacy of the one party system and lets the remaining libs, independents and kishi, who has been seething on the sidelines since being forced out, to have a chance at power. The two paths here are Miki who does liberal holesum small businesses and Kishi who finally gets to bring back the wartime national defence state through mass mobilisation and organised crime.

The final branch is the result of the yasuda crisis being bad enough that the establishment is forced on the backfoot but not so bad that the one party state is dismantled altogether. Here Konoe takes over and is determined to see his original new order vision implemented in full this time. He has to carry out a rapid legal coup and avoid the establishment stopping him before he can freeze them out and turn japan into a real one-party state with him as dictator. He then promptly dies leaving you the choice between using the new central planning dictatorship to do crypto-communism with the state trade union taking over the economy under Asanuma or a technocracy with scientists and engineers put in charge under Matsumae.

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I am a requiem-bro, but this teaser really shouldve been in the oven a bit longer.

Multiple typos, and different ones for the same word at that.


At release this will probably all work out but common man, if more of these happen then I'm gonna be scared that they dont actually check what was written by their team.

haven't played TNO since it basically first released and Panzer was still around. Is it still basically a VN?

>>2143581
I skim through everything so not really a problem for me

>>2143565
>>2143567
There's some iffy stuff here and I don't think it goes far enough in quite a few places. But compared to a lot of other TNO plans, it's not bad? I could see that being fine, especially compared to some of the other farces they're working on. But since Biden came and went during its dev hell period...

>>2143588
Yes but it has mini-games now as the main 'features' for each tag.

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>>2143581
It's just Five being an excitable sperg again.

>>2143588
The mod has less content since you played it. They're deleting all wars and replacing everything with minigames and events. No I'm not joking. This is real.

>>2143599
Maybe, but if he is this excitable and rushes out teasers, who is to say he wont rush out the entire update aswell?

>>2143616
He literally can't since he doesn't own the Steam page. His problem is that he rushes out announcements on Discord when he shouldn't. Just get someone to proofread his shit and it'll be fine. The old HV toozers didn't seem to have that problem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheFireRisesMod/comments/1nf5jmj/current_situation/

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For those that don't want to go to
>reddit

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>>2143704
speaking of TFR would this commenter's suggestion save TNO and primarily VP?

>>2143709
"save" is a strong word. It alone won't undo years of damage, but it'll make playing TNO a lot more tolerable.

>>2143709
That has always been a core praise of TFR and a core criticism of TNO. TFR has lots of shit writing, WIPs and blanks, and the writing isn't always the best, but it doesn't beat me over the head with how evil everyone is. Trump is awesome, Biden & co end racism, Atomwaffen get to be maniacal schizos, and I'm not preached to or treated like a child that needs to have it explained to me that yes Dirlewanger is a meanieface and he's really icky and bad. Good direction with sloppy execution will always beat out bad direction. Would it save TNO? No but it would be a big improvement. And maybe it'd help with their rumored high burn rate among writers.

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>>2143707
Uh yeah that's the thing they don't want them back. They're happy that all the nahzees are gone. If only you knew how reworked things truly are.

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>>2143718

Do any of yall have the vnj rework recently released from the chinese community? I have been playing through the older vnj leak and while I do like it for what it is, I want to see for myself how much progress the neudevs have made

>>2143751
Not playable but there's a link to the videos with the leaks and a Chinese site as well. Maybe that's a good place to look?

>>2143342
Autism ̶v̶i̶s̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶n̶o̶v̶e̶l̶ , no, choose-your-own-adventure novel mod for a bad game, for political compass horoscope retards jerking each other off in discord servers.

>>2143866
>CYOA
Makes sense, I remember all CYOA books I read as a kid basically just giving you a dead end if you even sneezed in the wrong direction.

>>2143751
know a person who is on the team. Asked how is V&J going. Response: Shit is fucked

some requiem dev just leaked docs in teasers
https://gofile.io/d/DVlm4o

>>2144011
Be real, you are more than likely the guy that leaked it

From what I read in goog chat btw, the guy got essentially demoted from Lead Designer.

Thats TNO Lead level of tomfuckery and is the opposite kind of leak I'd like to see honestly.
Also half this shit is probably just stuff thats in-dev and being figured out if they wanna do it.

>>2144011
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1C-9KEhHGFBUFhXLimQcMKrllufNbzoiW
The original Google Drive of the guy that leaked it in the announcements in case he takes down the gofile.
tl;dr a dev was demoted and ragequit apparently.

>>2144018
The retard put out his own Google Drive in an announcement leak to hundreds of people???

>>2144017
not really, i just downloaded the docs while they are still up and hosted them on gofile
although i didnt read through all the docs, kardashev stuff seems interesting

>>2144021
Fair nuff then, I'm in a couple servers with the guy that quit and he's been going around and leaking it everywhere so I figured he'd do it here too

>>2144021
>Compares creation dates
I guess that makes sense since he's obviously too fucking moronic not to reveal his own accouont.

>>2144022
Wait he's just going around to a bunch of Discord servers and posting links to his Google drive? Is he trying to get banned from everywhere?

>>2144011
>>2144017
Per the Discord jannies "the leaks don't matter" but they are deleting anyone talking about them
At the same time, if they let it stay up and let people look at what they're doing, it'd be a way to get more people working on it, getting the mod out faster in a more complete state

>>2144027
I think its a double edged sword

Keeping the leaks out there opens them up to having people go "Wow look, these plans changed so much!" or "Damn, this was planned all this time ago and still hasnt been released"

Taking them down meanwhile means that the devs that worked on it actually have the ability to properly tease it

>>2144027
They don't matter but I can see people wanting to shut them down. I mean TNO had thousands of leaks and that's not what killed them. Old 2WRW also had some stuff leak last year and that didn't hurt the mod either, their splits were over China dev way back and the Antarctica map earlier this year. This isn't mutually exclusive with wanting to clamp down on it.

>>2144028
The thing with the second part is that people will have those two same reactions regardless of things.
As for "proper teasers" they still can. Not everyone is gonna wanna read through some 200 pages and commit them to memory.

>>2144011
>>2144018
HOLY SHIT IT'S ACTUALLY TNO'S BURGUNDY REWORK PROPOSAL
IT WAS REAL ALL ALONG

>>2144030
I took a quick look at Requiems documents and, Burgundy aside, most of them are super short.

Feels like Requiem is going the road of "Keep your Documents short and concise, noone wants to read 100 pages"

>>2144034
does anyone even know if in fact any of these are confirmed, or if they were merely proposals in development?

>>2144036
Most of them the latter I'd assume.

Like the Burgundy thing almost guaranteed just isnt their actual plans, or atleast, I hope.

>>2144036
Out of them, Neatherlands seems the most "we go with this one" and the rest are "we leaning on this but haven't tried to start gameplay implamentation"

>>2144038
Kardashev is pretty close I think, no?

>>2144039
Maybe? It's missing in-game GUI that'd be an obvious tell

>>2144041
Maybe its just not supposed to have a GUI desu.

Requiem might try to go the route without GUIs for now given half the reason they made BOTI actually stick was removing GUIs

>>2144041
>>2144044
2WRW's nudev clique formed Minutes to Midnight. The Redux clique that are anti-GUI and axed all minigames from Omsk formed Requiem. So it's not an obvious tell. Requiem are a lot closer to KX and TFR in terms of design philosophy. Everyone else left with the old lead it seems.

Hey Jeff, you were right people were out to get you. Go fuck yourself retard

>>2144056
No idea who he was but people probably weren't out to get him. It's the Internet, most people don't give a shit, you're not important, if you step away no one will care.
After making a public announcement linked to all his account trying to leak documents though? Yeah, way to make your delusions real, moron. But only in the sense that you're banned from everything HOI4 related under the sun.

requiem is slowly becoming the same as tno

>>2144066
Eh, not really.
Their plans seem OK for the most part. It's better than TNO but desu to achieve that all you have to do is not to delete things.
Drama? It seems more like random crashouts and someone doing retarded things rather than the total toxicity you see from TNO. KX had similar growing pains early on. If they can at least survive a bit longer they should get over this just like other mods have. If not, oof. At least we'll have the KF mod.

>>2144067
NuTNO Italy but from Temu. NuTNO France but from Temu. America flowchart leaked proven correct. It is quite literally all shit I can't imagine defending this wikislop. Requiem devs having little mini crashouts will surely provide confidence to fans.

>>2144090
> Italy & France
Are clearly still in progress of being made

> America
Could have changes applied, only thing proven is Byrd being starting president

> Wikislop
This is clearly not just OTLslop so idk what you are yapping about

>>2144090
Well, since the devs are reading this thread, and I agree that there's room for improvement, why don't you provide your own suggestions for how to improve each document? Unironically, if you hate it, make your voice heard because it ain't as lost of a cause as TNO yet.

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>>2144095
If you look at the TNO france doc and the Requiem Doc its the same shit but Requiem is worse. They are getting rid of Muti so of course its temu. We literally have the flowchart retard stop lying. Wikislop is when you use Wikipedia as your info retard.

>>2144099
For USA I would try to integrate the union forever because it has a good npp. For France why reinvent the wheel when you are doing essentially what TNO is doing. For Italy why remove Muti that's dumb. Remove Zhdanov he has no business being an ultravisionary.

>>2144105
Thats funny because Requiem literally has a rule for designers that Wikipedia doesnt count as a source for Research dipshit

Most of the shit from the leaks is evidently meant to portray Requiem in a bad way, so clearly Jeff would use mainly things that arent finished or potentially arent up to date.

And just because there is a Flowchart, doesnt mean its still being followed - yes Byrd is president, but besides that we *dont know yet about the rest*

>>2144113
Flowchart mentions Byrd retard clearly these two things are the same and being followed

>>2144119
nayrt, but on the dev server - without leaking anything, the flowchart you posted is outdated and hasnt been up to date basically since it originally got leaked

Five is such a faggot for stirring drama and removing the lead designer for no reason

>>2144157
Kill yourself, Jeff

My name is five and I'm such a massive faggot that I love to suck dutch BBCs. I wish Kateryna dominated me

>>2144163
Okay Jeff, go back to bed

Housewives of TNO right here

>>2143716
They already made a path where you're the protagonist and it's Sablin and everyone calls his path reddit

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Nothing ever happens gang can't stop winning

>>2144173
What happened this time?

>>2144185
>Five demotes a guy for being unstable
>unstable guy proves him right when the guy pings everyone, leaks all the docs, starts BBC posting about Five on 4chan

>>2144188
Thank god tno rises again is just one guy so we have a backup that will never have drama

>>2144188
So they demoted him because he was already unstable? Why did they put him as lead if he was unstable?

>>2144121
Me when I rework things. I am rewooooooorking.

>>2143716
I bet the Nixon imperial path will be just the megalib devs trying to spoon-feed the player about how so bad it is because "muh republicans are evil and the mega lib JFK can save us" when it will be seen as the based path cause nixon can kill those mega libs. I don't these devs understand that the most praised path will be this for is schizoness rather than its "story". It's not even a "story" its a narrative.

>>2144185
tl;dr a higher up is demoted and has a mental breakdown. Leaks a couple of documents but does this by announcing it on the TNOR commcord. Is subsequently banned from every single HOI4 server. Honestly nothingburger blown out of proportion by the way a sperg handled it.

>>2144206
If I were to hazard I guess the mod's been pretty unstable after the split. Most of their old guard split and they've had a hard time filling all the vacant slots. Most leads went to MtM while most regular stayed with TNOR. The guy that had the crashout likely just seemed alright at the start but turned out to be a schizo as time went on. Pure speculation, but it makes sense to me given the situation they were in.

>>2144225
I bet you: the Nixon route will be completely based and hilarious. It'll make the DQRK MQGQ Trump route in TFR look castrated by comparison. And all of this despite it being written to be outright anti-Nixon propaganda. Mark my words: you'll all want to play the Nixon route because it'll be the best thing ever. In fact, you'll love it so much for the wrong reasons that Mango will delete it within a week, make a blog post about how you're all racists, and create a really big drama bomb.

>>2144249
Please let this happen it will be so fucking funny that the nudevs realize that all the time they spent into people like Yorty and RFK will not matter due to everyone playing the schizo path that they've tried so hard to defeat and if anon you are right about mango getting rid of it and causing a drama bomb. Hopefully TNO can die with everyone realizing it was never about making it fun or telling a story. It was always about setting a narrative, a narrative no one will like.

>>2144249
You can already see what imperial Nixon will be like
Play imperial Lacerda in Brazil

>>2144284
Explain.

>>2144306
Lacerda is a Free-Market Conservative. He has a path where he can plot a military coup against the democratically elected socialist/socdem president Goulart (worth noting he supported the Brazillian military coup in real life too, until he didn't).
He fucking despises the Varguists and trade unions and wants to abolish minimum wage and independent unions, among other things (he hates the poors too). This eventually leads to nationwide strikes where he basically guns down workers in the streets. If he goes all in against the workers and they win, he enacts plan PARA-SAR where he detonates a bunch of bombs all over Rio and and then blames it on leftists, killing a lot of innocents in the process. Brazil then spirals into chaos eventually leading to the civil war
Tldr he's the Brazillian Nixon/Reagan who can potentially lead the country to utter ruin

>>2144320
Eh I get where you're coming from but it sounds like your average day in South America. Which I guess if true would make it really fucking dumb for America and not even that funny. I hope you're wrong.

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>>2144249
Please God let the nudev faggots allow nixon to drop nukes on random nigs in the south

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>>2144381
The Haiti nuke thing gives me hope.
They're so out of touch and stupid that they'd totally let Nixon nuke all the blacks in the Caribbean in his first term.

Make it happen, QPQ you dumb fucking faggot.

>>2144401
Mango said Goldwater and Wallace are the only '64 candidates who could nuke Haiti
Yes I know holding a dev by their word is like running into a brick wall over and over again but still

Which mod is the Mustard to Mango's TNO?

Ya but using the nuke auto locks your ending into the entire Caribbean going revolutionary communist (duh) and you will lose the entire sphere so. You will need to rely on Canada naval invading to get some of those islands back, not even all of them. Gold gameplay

>>2144409
Why the fuck would america be relying on canada for naval assistance? Even if canada managed to keep and maintain some of the royal navy they would still be 2 decades behind on tech.

>>2144413
They initially were going to have the US directly naval invade all the Caribbean if it rebelled but one user told them it would break the US sending volunteers to other proxies and they didn't realize lol so they have Canada naval invading now

>>2144407
They also said that they aren't cutting Yockey. :')

>>2144409
>One of the greatest military powers in the world has to rely on an unplayable middling WW2 loser cut off from its home empire to reclaim the Caribbean from a few uppity communists
You don't hate TNO devs enough.

>>2144417
>They also said that they aren't cutting Yockey. :')
Literally where did they say they are keeping Yockey

>One of the greatest military powers in the world has to rely on an unplayable middling WW2 loser cut off from its home empire to reclaim the Caribbean from a few uppity communists
Most of the carribean is a part of the exiled British empire. Why wouldn't Canada, with US support obviously, be the one to retake its own colonies. Don't see how they couldn't win

>>2144427
1: They denied it for years and when they made their initial reveal him being cut and other controversial features were simply left unmentioned.
2: Missing the point. America should just be able to invade on their own instead of relying on a tag that's unplayable, has no content, and never will have content. No, seriously, why the fuck do you want me to ask this unplayable AI only skeleton tag to invade an island with 3 people living on it? Why the fuck can't I just send a marine corps there? This nudev shit sucks.

>>2144427
cause we have to rely on the ai dumbass

>>2144431
Looking through the leaked Carribean flowchart, some content that relies on Canada will be added later as a part of the Canada update (releasing never)
They'll maybe add something for the US to guarantee Canada wins, like an event or two which strengthens Canada
There is always the possibilty that the colonies declaring independence can just be avoided entirely if you play your cards right as the US and form the WIF with minimal turmoil

>>2144438
Sounds fucking awful just let me play the fucking game.

>>2143342
>https://files.catbox.moe/9320n5.pdf
jesus fucking christ, each time someone wants to make a rework they first have to write a 100 page novella about their country before ever starting with hoi4 coding? no fucking wonder nothing ever gets developed for this mod

I hate myself for ever working for the TNO dev team and causing/contributing the destruction of my favourite hoi4 mods by my own hand

>>2143581
If they added Africa Addio to 2WRW, Five could cement himself as a god in TNO

>>2144937
Join Requiem or Rises Again then, and help them preserve your favorite hoi4 mod.

Talk is cheap, action is better.


Just mention you are an ex TNO Dev and I reckon Requiem would be more than happy to take you on

I would be really happy if someone dôxed the TNO devs on the bald men with glasses website on /raid/

>>2144937
Same. In the end everything I did for them just ended up getting reworked anyway. And neither the tag I worked on or its rework ever released. I don't know what # of reworks they're on now.

>>2144938
Then they'd get taken off the workshop. Honestly if they just added a win state for Huttig without any of the genocide mechanics and other banned content that'd be good enough. The worst thing about those tags is that you're not allowed to win.

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>>2144940
speaking of Requiem...

Hey would you look at that, its an alternate history South Africa in an alternate history mod. How novel!

>>2144943
Just looking at the r/TNOmod echochamber watching them cheer for the removal of the literal Hart and Seoul (gay meme created by scaresith-type trannies to mock legitimate criticism) just pains me to think that these were the same people I tried to please by working on the mod.

>>2144948
I want to play as the Boer Republic in the South African War. TNO may have just been the only reason I started learning and understanding the plight of the Afrikaners under the Mandela regime.

I really hate how Antarctica has been completely shoehorned by the TNO devs to the point where no one wants anything to do with the map rework just because of how tainted it is by the TNO dev team. For me it is the only good thing the TNO devs have added and I would like to have it in 2WRW, but apparently the map is so poorly done that it is literally unplayable for any wars.

>>2144957
the map rework was a neat idea but it had too many victory points
just about unplayable

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>>2144948
That pie chart makes Komi look stable.

>>2144949
They really have cultivated the worst fanbase ever.
>Hates the actual mod as it was
>Cheers when content is removed
>Doesn't even play HOI4
And then they wonder why no one cares about what they crap out any more.

>>2144957
I think if they just didn't add so much bullshit and stuck closer to the vanilla map projection no one would've complained. The Antarctica content itself is completely fine and inoffensive. No one complained about it when it was just a submod. But when it started to break all wars in Europe and Asia...

>>2144962
my computer from 2015 took about 3 hours to get to 1964
grim stuff

>>2144967
Meanwhile Requiem is improving performance, or atleast trying their best at it.

Kinda tells you enough about which of the two you should be rooting for, one is actively making the game experience worse, the other is atleast trying to improve it. And with that I dont even consider the actual content itself!

>>2144969
I think the arctic islands are cool for a potential ww3 but that's about all the new map has that's good

>>2144967
>>2144969
Meanwhile, Rises Again probably works just fine as is because it was made on a fork that predates all the bullshit they bolted on top of TNO over the years.

>>2144976
>potential for WW3
You mean the thing that's an instant game over? Shame because Russians or Americans fighting Germans in Arctic environments would go hard.

>>2144980
I turn off instant nuclear war in settings
I've always wanted to do a second pacific war but I never got that far into the lackluster japan content

>>2144978
True, but alot of said added stuff actually is good, if not some of the best content TNO offered, ever.

Guangdong remains to this day the best content I have played, same with Hart

>>2144990
I never cared much for either though I'll admit that with Hart my gripes are more about what it led to rather than what it is. Really just wish we got more Russian unifiers.

There is a thread on the bald men with glasses website for doxing Mango, Kateryna and Quid

>>2144978
I would be more willing to try Rises Again if it kept Guangdong and the TT economy. There is quite literally nothing wrong with that stuff.

>>2145046
Goodwinson isn't a fan of the new economy but it's not cut because he dislikes it. The build he forked from is one of the last ones with Atlantropa that predates all the nudevery. He picked Atlantropa and all the old shit, I think he made the right choice since it means that we finally have a way to experience old school TNO.

>>2145050
I could not care less about Atlantropa, all it was was cosmetic. Sure, its removal led to the slippery slope of nudev bullshit, but I would have picked Guangdong over Atlantropa any day of the week.

>>2145055
Then you have Requiem or God forbid modern TNO. Honestly it's better that both mods go for strong, unique identities imo.

We miss you Kuzunoha and Pacifica

thread is deader than mango TNO

>>2145568
Well there isn't exactly much to talk about. The TNO team went dead silent apart from damage control after the universally hated DV debacle, RA is just one autist chilling and Requiem's had one retard pull a self-doxing crashout and then released a teaser 1 day later when everyone forgot about the last part.
Let's face it: TNO is a dead mod (41%) and it's gonna be some time before any of the major reduxes fills the void sadly.

>>2145581
>crash out trying to make as much drama as you can because you got demoted once
>embarass yourself and get banned from a bunch of discord servers by spamming leaks
>people forget about your "muh epic leaks" a day later

Lol what a faggot.

>>2145621
Literally no one would've cared if he hadn't doxed himself or posted the Burgundy rework proposal. And that's a TNO rework! Lmao!

Does anybody have the old Gus Hall design doc to leak? Wanna see what insanity Panzer planned for him.

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>>2145992
Best I've got is this old meme and the foggy memory of devs talking about it and how based it'd be. He'd start murdering billionaires, shoot down private jets and just overall be really funny. If there ever was a communist leader everyone could get behind it'd be him especially in a timeline where everyone cheered on the murder of that healthcare CEO. Imagine that on a national scale and you're not far off from OG Hall.

Leave it to that worthless nigger Mango to not only scrap all of it but then replace it with the infinitely worse option of not only being the most unrealistic thing ever (racist Republicans and Democrats ever agreeing to make a communist the president on a technicality), but to then also make him a worthless lame duck. Lead dev for life by the way.

how do you upload pdfs to catbox moe? I have the L-NPP file but it won't attach properly.

>>2146067
Literally just select the file or drag and drop it into the upload section. If it won't attach, the file's probably corrupted or you can't operate Windows, either-or.

>>2145992
>>2146074
I'll just put it on gofile.
https://gofile.io/d/yPinNG

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>>2146162
>Crippling the CIA by any means necessary
>Aggressively destroying the MIC
>Anarcho-Maoist America
>Doxing all millionaires via an EO
Oh yeah having Hall just be a lame duck is way better thanks for killing this Mango.

>>2146035
i miss this era of content when you could actually game the systems if you figured them out instead of everything being streamlined shit. and it doesnt even work because 3 years later tnodevs still didnt figure out that half of their behind the scenes us code is bugged and does nothing and only the loc works.

>>2144105

> pro-union Goldwater, pro-socialist Goldwater

Why even bother to use real people at this point?

>>2146501
According to another Anon that is on the Requiem Team, that Flowchart is out of date.

OP was trying to fag around with that flowchart in an attempt to stir up anti-requiem mentality (it was at the same time as the ex-design leads crashout)

>>2146507
Given that they're just getting started I can imagine them just trying to shop some ideas. It's not like TNO where Vote Pig was in the works for years and we already know the MO of the realism clique.

>>2146530
>Given that they're just getting started I can imagine them just trying to shop some ideas.
But the problem is that all their ideas are dogshit. Who needs a decade long US rework where they change everything and remove Nixon for no apparent reason. Also they never proved themselves to be capable of producing anything in an appropriate amount of time (omsk was dogshit btw). I hope I'm wrong but it doesn't look good

>>2146162
>hall rapes the MIC and subverts the CIA in order to basically do what they did irl but in reverse before totally consolidating his power and shifting america towards socialism for realsies
>the new left guys release every dollar of military profit to the public and dox the rich in order to destroy ameriKKKa
it's so kino bros

>>2146162
Tbh for being supposedly "the second worst president the US can have", Hall doesn't seem too terrible here. He does rig democracy so leftists will always win but you can say the same of many factions. Mass confiscation of the rich's assets once the state is stacked with leftists is the cherry on top.

>>2146180
What's odd about the US team is how "unimaginative" they are. A big part of TNO is that the world is screwed up, which is why many nations around the world are politically unstable and can go in any direction. In contrast, the US system, just, stands there despite losing European markets and war? Very unimaginative.

As an aside, I do think many of the Germany devs are essentially using this mod to play out their own fantasies. For example England and France get threatened with da nuke and invasion if they don't kowtow to Germany, but somehow Sweden devs nukes and Germany doesn't go apeshit on them? Turning England and France into fascist client states while Denmark, Sweden, Romania are le wholesome democracy that can even elect reformist socialists?!? This is obvious bias.

Combined with anti-Russian sentiment (i mean who else could challenge Germany), it makes total sense that this mod attempts to portray Germany as le invincible chad. You know that saying, scratch a liberal and you find a fascist, and the liberals of this mod have created a Germany beyond many Neo Nazi's dreams.

>>2146530
nayrt, but i'd rather they dream and try to do something, than just do 2 years of content, and integrate TNOs content.

They kind of HAVE to do some stuff differently than main TNO, if only because otherwise there isnt an incentive to play the mod.

>>2146580
I really don't think so. They're out of touch retards living in an echo chamber. I also think it's also about clique politics. Are you in the clique? Then no rules apply to the tag. Are you out of it like the France dev? Eat shit and rework because my plot armor demands it.

>>2146538
They did reboot the entire team in July, so a ton of the old leads left and they set up a new structure appointing all new ones. We have to see when they deliver their new update but so far, I would say give them the benefit of the doubt, as opposed to the retards over at TNO who have gone down a shit path for years at a time now.

Also, my uncle who works at Requiem did claim that Nixon would actually be a presidential candidate in 1964.

>>2146591
We also didn't get any proper context to anything; just a flowchart. I want to see what they're actually trying to do with this before calling it shit.

>>2146591
I think their hand was forced by Vote Pig simply being terrible. I just hope that whatever update they do make actually feels more distinct from TNO itself and isn't just a coat of paint over either the old content or Vote Pig. They shouldn't be afraid to get weird. Like the Hall leaks just now? More of that please, not twenty interchangeable liberals.

>>2146657
The fact that they got rid of all the nudevs and their planned minigames really is the one thing that gives me hope about the future for that mod.

>>2144814
Just write a book, not dev a mod

>>2145581
What is the self doxing incident?

>>2146889
He put the leaks on his personal Google Drive. Calling it self doxing might be a bit much but it's really stupid no matter how you look at it.

>>2146889
>guy gets demoted for saying dumb shit in public
>ruins his own reputation for good in public by spreading leaks in a bunch of servers and getting banned from all of them

In conclusion, Hoi4 modding retards will be retards

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>>2144942
>the sharty VVON , sneed VVON , nutno devs acked xhem xfels

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>>2145055
nah fuck off , atlantropa has content and its fenomenal if u want go talk with the tno:ra dev in kiwifarms, and help him integrate those content or some shit , but i must say i do agree with u , tno:ra could have quagdong and the TT economy integrated , but for now those 2 things are not his primary focus

>>2147456
TNO:RA will likely never get the economy and that's a good thing. I like it being distinct from TNO itself. If they can bring in Guangdong that's cool, but I'm happy to see the dev focus on cut content and other stuff we can't get anywhere else.

>>2147502
RA has its own appeal, and Requiem has it's own appeal.

What the fuck is TNO's appeal going to be in the future?

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>>2147509
People who want to play CWIC without all those yucky alt history routes while also having Nazi Germany at the same time, somehow.

Not gonna lie it's really fucking grim.

>>2147521
This map is so hard to read, and it feels to be made with this exact intention. Why not divide it into French, British, Native, etc. Africa? They just had to make it as incomprehensible as possible.

>>2147535
It would have literally been better if they had no arrows and just flags.

>>2147535
Just using alternating colors would've helped instead of making it a mish-mash of cyan lines that overlap. But I don't know how much that'd help when the big issue is that you have twenty tags that are just a single island or one-province statelet.

>>2147509
Shoot any lib as Nixon

>>2147662
Jury's still out on that one.
Yes, it is the only part of Vote Pig that has a chance to be interesting, if nothing else because it'll be comedy gold. Them letting you nuke Haiti just to be evil is a good sign in this regard. But there's always the chance that they'll make it so unbearable and preachy that it'll still suck balls. Kennedy riding in on a horse to save America from conservatism? Oof, you just know that's going to be some masturbatory shit right there.

>>2147684
natsoc nixon when?

>>2147712
I think they're making him Personalistic Dictatorship but since they're making Schlafly go fash anything's in the cards at this point.

>>2147684
Kennedy is also going to be actively dying and hiding his decline so he's not forced to resign. It'll be Biden basically.

>>2147865
or is jfk meant to be harris since it will be pretty fucking obvious that nixon will be based of trump because they hate the orange man so much.

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>>2147865
>The kids liked nuking Germany as Omsk so let's have them nuke Haiti
>The kids liked insane Biden in TFR so let's have Kennedy die from his immune disease in slow motion (in TNO2)
Thanks Mango.

>>2148670
Mango & Gang were major Kamala shills and advocated for her leading the party long before they started to push out Biden so that seems unlikely. But I guess there's a chance that they flipped on her after losing to Trump. By the way: self-professed hardcore leftists as well as huge Kamala Harris supporters. Try to figure that one out.

>>2148676
Inject this into my fucking bloodstream. I hope all their cope ends up in this update which it will set it up to flop and it will be glorious to see.

>>2148711
Mango removed Romney and replaced him with Fong out of election butthurt because the Republicans weren't evil enough so you betcha it's going to be full of coping and seething.
>tfw the mod's fucking dying because of one man's butthurt over a neoliberal losing an election

>>2148716
muh realism but we are gonna have an asian have the chance to win the nomination in 1972.
Pure Genius!

>>2148676
>I guess there's a chance that they flipped on her after losing to Trump
Ettingermentum did, dunno about the rest of them

>>2148720
Not as wacky as an electable black woman in 1968.

>>2148722
who the hell is he?

so, since the lockdown 2 months ago there are no more news from TNO? This shit has absolutely died since the DV announcement, and they said V&J was coming this year lol

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>>2149497
Nope. Some damage control and that's it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/?f=flair_name%3A%22Dev%20Diary%22
If you go to their Reddit the highlights just completely dry up after DV. The announcement and the negative feedback it got was so overwhelming that it must've breached the echochamber. It's been two months months now without anything. They aren't even sparking any drama.

Not gonna lie I think the fact that EaW cut them off was a major contributing factor too. They thought they could just dictate demands and harass a former off the Internet and instead EaW told them to fuck off, banned QPQ and then they had their ties cut in a very public manner. Both that and DV were very public displays of how much influence they've lost outside of the devcord.

>>2149497
My sources are saying Iberia and that's it. DV might not be out till march. Some I even heard are ready to jump ship if 2026 is a flop. If only you knew how bad things really are

>>2149506
>Both that and DV were very public displays of how much influence they've lost outside of the devcord.
Honestly crazy how far one of the most iconic and influential HOI 4 mods has fallen, some Icarus shit.

>>2149513
They really should just jump ship, Requiem is the only real chance TNO has left

Sorry Rises Again, you are cool, but without Guangdong and TT I dont see the purpose, and the long term of the mod is yet to be seen. Small scale teams tend to either last a very long time or collapse within the first year, no inbetween

>>2149613
>I don't see the purpose
Preserves the original version and allows people to go back and play that. Guangdong is cool but you have to admit that there's a crowd out there that will prefer things like the original Goering, the simpler economy and novelties like the various cut focus trees in the Iberian wars that they introduced.

Not trying to start beef between the forks quite the opposite. I think it's great that Rises Again caters more to the 2020-era TNO while Requiem tries to have the best of both old and new TNO.
>Collapse
Unlikely, it's an autist's passion project with a public Git. Even if he leaves it'll be easy for anyone go step in and maintain it and still have it fulfill its niche: being a time machine back to OG Panzerite TNO.

Remember, anons, there is a race going on between TNO and Requiem. Who will release their next update first? Will TNO manage to be on time and get Antartic Chile and maybe possibly the Iberia facelift out this year? Or will Requiem beat them to the punch with The Last Light, a public refutation of everything that TNO is going to do in the future by giving new content to South Africa without reworking away anything that makes it interesting alternate history?

Place your bets now, gentleanons, who's going to get ther shit done first? A team with near unilimited modding resources, or a team that was rebooted half a year ago?

Guess we'll see. AFAIK Antarctic Chile is confirmed for this year while Five has said that they are aiming for TLL this year. But Five has been off the mark before so we will have to see.

>>2149673
No one cares, it's a dead mod and its new fan fork.

>>2149673
Anon its not when it comes out but if it's good. From what I've seen Antarctic Bassist and Five are both not insufferable bastards like the VP team so they already have a good start.

>>2149673
Requiem physically is incapable of loosing the war for 2 reasons:

1) Even if they are slower than TNO, they have less resources at hand
2) TLL will release with actual content, TNO will release with glorified skeleton content

>>2149718
nayrt but I agree that Bassist isn't a bad guy. There's a reason why there's never been any drama about him here and all the shitting on Antarctica is because people aren't interested in playing there. I'm sure that whatever either and their teams release will be fine for what it is. I wouldn't extend the same kind of courtesy to Mango and QPQ. Not that I think Antarctica will rejuvenate TNO but at least it won't damage it like Yippie and DV have.

>>2149740
>glorified skeleton content
Sadly hard to argue with. Antarctica is just a VN and DV is set to release with nothing but skeletons. There's always the chance that the US and Germany reworks release in 2026 and have content but if you have high hopes about either then I have a bridge to sell you.

>>2149745
By the time we get V&J or VP/Yippee, Requiem will probably have released the integration of TAS, and potentially more post-unification content if the leaks from that one guy are to be believed

>>2149748
Even if they don't they'd still have one up on TNO by just not removing heaps of content, see DV. Let's not even get started on how the imploding corpse of TNO compares to other more established mods at this point.

>>2149756
Yeah

I mean, I pray for Requiem to succeed, that mod + Rises Again for LEGACY content, is like the one saving grace for TNO. If Requiem fails its basically guaranteed game over for TNO, if Requiem suceeds then TNO is so back and the fandom doesnt just get left behind as that one thing that was interesting for 3 years

>>2149760
Either way though TNO has lost its chance to be "the" HOI4 mod. Depending on who you ask KR/EaW are still the Kings or TFR took the crown. The nudevs really sqaundered something great all because muh politics muh realism.

>>2149762
Yeah, Requiem is basically just the chance to stay up there amongst the Kings, while the Emperor title remains out of reach.

Who knows, maybe all the devs from TNO waltz over to Requiem someday, and Requiem sees an explosion in content. Maybe then TNO could have another shot, but by then HOI5 is probably being discussed at Paradox

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Social media buttons on left (Cool that they are paying attention to those details desu), no clue what the rest is supposed to be

Requiem obviously, TNO could never

>>2149764
Let's hope it lives on in some form because I love the universe and hate what the nudevs did to it.

>>2149764
>HOI5
I wonder what the plan is for the big total conversion mods, just a straight port over to HOI5 or sequel mods?

>>2149781
Too early to tell, anyone telling you otherwise is a total liar. We don't know what it'll look like yet. If they raise the required skill set for modding we might even see mods stick it with HOI4 for longer. It's Paradox's most successful product after all.

>>2149781
I can almost guarantee we will see all the major mods stick with HOI4 while having a side project for HOI5 going in the background.

Why? HOI5 will release with half of HOI4s features, so it wont make sense to change to it at launch.

>>2149787
>Half
That's generous. Still, I hope HOI5 sticks with the somewhat more arcadey feel of HOI4 so that we can at least see mods like KR and other big ones make the move to 5 without jumping through a ton of hoops.

>>2149794
Imagine they remove Focus Tree in 5

>>2149795
First Paradox game to sell five copies on release.

>>2149795
I think people would at least tolerate it if they substituted it with something like EU4's mission trees. If not, then the retards in Stockholm will fondly look back on the Imperator days as the "good times".
>tfw TNO is so fucking dead the most activity it's had in days is people discussing a far more interesting unreleased game

>>2149803
So who do you blame for the death of tno? Mango Corn or Lamounier. Its one of those 3. I'm leaning more on Corn. LIR killed all the momentum TNO had since SD and they have yet to recover from that. But is there anyone inside or outside TNO who could save it?

>>2149844
Requiem literally exists of people exiled from tno (Rei) or people who have been rejected outright by TNO (Five). TNO literally made the 2WRW project by handing it the two people who turned it into Requiem. In another universe, TNO integrated Heldenvolk and kept Rei working on it too and 2wrw wouldve just been a submod.Those two are the ones we know of, i'm sure more others left TNO for Requiem.

But these people just had to hold power and push their own retarded friend clique vision through. They caused their own undoing which is both poetic and funny.

>>2149769
Looks like the social media of those countries.

>>2149764
>>2149781
Hoi5 realistically isn't releasing this decade. Eu4, vic2 and ck2 felt way less modern at the equivalent time of their lifespan than hoi4 feels now, as an example hoi4 is the same age now as vic2 was in 2019.

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>>2149874
>hoi4 is the same age now as vic2 was in 2019.

>>2143342
How doe this shit leak?

trying to play as omsk in TNO requiem but it keeps crashing after a certain focus, what do

>>2149883
Because Mango is a fag.

>>2149929
Since we've had people post screenshots of them finishing the campaign it's likely an issue on your end. I'd suggest heading over to their Discord, someone might be able to troubleshoot you through it.

>>2149929
if you crash in 1963 ish, it could be because you've got both the original TNO and Requiem on at the same time. It works up to a point and then crashes.

>>2144401
QuoProQuid Reddit gem:

https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1n2k5to/comment/nb7myv4/

In reality, Nixon ran a very moderate administration and conservative activists like Phyllis Schlafy were disappointed with the course that he had taken (creating the EPA, affirmative action expansion through both the Philadelphia Plan and guaranteed minority loans through the SBA, price and wage controls, Detenté with China, etc,) there were even talks amongst some conservatives of creating a Reagan/Wallace third-party ticket.

>>2150066
>QPQ has Nixon derangement syndrome
Imagine my shock.

>>2150069
how much do you want to bet that his mother was a druggie and got arrested during the war on drugs.

>>2149956
is this one person studio?

>>2150066

Correction: Reagan/Wallace was a plan that they had for 1976, not 1972, but still, the AIP's 1972 nominee (John Schmitz) served as chairman of John M. Ashbrook's 1972 attempt to challenge Nixon from the right, when he lost (as expected) he was so dissatisfied with Nixon that instead of reluctanctly endorsing him (like Ashbrook did,) he changed his party affiliation to AIP, won the AIP's 1972 primaries, and received 1.1 million votes.

>>2149860
So you're telling me Requiem has 9 socmed accounts right now?

>>2149769
I'd love to see more alt history's actually go into online culture like ovrhvn

>>2150408
no retard, its just fancy buttons that link to the same things.

>>2150570
It took be a few seconds to get it myself but it's actually pretty fun and clever. I like having various touches like that for the various nations you play like how the credit ratings appear differently if you're part of the German sphere. It's just one of those nice worldbuilding things.

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>>2147535
I looked at it close for the first time and realized that the map is actually full of micro island nations that exist solely to chew up memory and do nothing. I think we owe Fiji an apology.

Last i heard from a dev friend is theyre forcing testers to go multiple times over the quota on the chilean antarctica dev hell to have something to release this year before tno dies a slow death. Beyond parody but what can you expect from nu devs

>>2150808
I remember that there was a similar crunch when Brazil was being rushed out. Wouldn't surprise me. But why do it over Antarctica? Most people don't care. And it'll never not be funny to me that a country's Arctic content is being released years before the actual country gets content, if it ever does.

>>2150815
Desperation i guess, wont be a good year if all they release is brazil (wont be either way) and its not like theyre going to release any other update cause everything else is in different levels of dev hell

Has the yorty doc been posted yet?

>>2150815
Cause if their 2024 is just two 6.5/10 paths and having bigger backlash than the Pacifica incident due to DV then that's not a good look.

>>2150832
Brazil was a solid 7.5/10,some fun stuff, not too many complicated mechanics and it actually released. Dont know what much you can ask for

>>2150837
It should not be the only update of 2024 with a dev team that large.

>>2150845
Its still not bad on its own is what i meant

>>2150837
I didn't like Brazil since there were only 2 paths, the guis were broken at times, there wasn't much choices and the only war had no content because it wasn't "canon" whatever that means

So what do you think will be the most hated VP path? I'm guessing Humphrey because they will suck his dick and "omg if only he beat Nixon".

>>2150808
Ask them if Iberia is coming with the update. Also lol lmao desperation. Requiem's gonna fucking destroy them, now they caused their own competition.

>>2150887
My sources are saying that CA should be out by October possibly earlier and Iberia is November bound. They think DV is a longshot for December. Then who fucking knows for 2026 apart from VP at end of year. Iberia really needs to be a fucking banger or they are fucked.

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>>2149795
>>2149797
>>2149803
They wont go back to old systems in HOI5.
I believe PDX will wrap PP, Espionage, Focuses, and World Tension up into one system as a "Global Political Chess" minigame for HOI5.
They have been leaning on highly scripted event based progression for Vic 3, EU5, and even Stellaris somewhat.
This is my thesis for such a system:
>The system will be framed as a way to give the player "more freedom" while playing minor nations so you will feel like there is more room to "play" the "sandbox", meanwhile there will be unavoidable events that you cannot control such as WW2 or a faction being created.
>EU5 has scripted event based disasters which cannot be sidestepped. This is a design philosophy that will carry over to this new system in HOI5.
>Vic3's Diplo play system is a way for anyone with regional interest to get involved in war or diplomacy (but mostly war). Vic 3's failure to expand diplomacy through the diplo play system will be iterated on by the HOI team to make something tolerable in the same vein.
>HOI5 will revamp PP to make Majors have a large impact in world events such as the course of WW2 before during and after, while Minors can grow their influence or just straddle the sidelines.
>PP and Espionage will integrate with each other to further this new system, with each maneuver pushing the tension needle higher and increasing event frequency until the overarching event fires off.
>This system will allow Tension to fluctuate far more easily and create built-in late game scenarios past 1945 like a Cold War and allow for the easy restructuring of Factions.
>In essence they will have railroaded the game, but curated the experience specifically to the WW2 scenario
>They might even expand the game timeline/curate other historical scenarios such as the Cold War or World War 1 more easily with the use of this system
They could make HOI5 the "World Wars" game this way. Or they could make it a hot pile of steaming shit. Probably the latter.

>>2150905
>highly scripted event based progression
>eu5
what

>>2150887
Iberia is mostly done last i Heard and only needs to wait for the final guis to be coded and a few proxies

>>2150967
>>2150902
So does anyone know then how Requiem is doing then, how far along to their next update are they?

>>2150832
>6.5
>Antarctica
>Maybe a facelift to a reworked country that lost its identity
>Bruhzil with anything interested including its one major war treated as a fail state

>>2150837
Things are really dire when "actually released" is a selling point.

>>2150902
>DV for December
Now ain't that a lump of coal if I ever heard of one.

>>2150973
In their public statements they seem to want an end of the year release for their TLL update. I'd take what they say with a grain of salt since their team was rebooted when the nudevs ragequit over not getting the Antarctica map. They seem to still be finding their footing which is understandable given what happened.

>>2150973
From what I've heard the codelead is being conservative and has said that the absolute earliest release would be a late october release, but it feels like that ones a "If we are lucky" release.

Besides that, Personally I presume itll be November if they want to hang onto a sort of "This releases when the South African War happens"


We do know they are releasing other content with it besides just South Africa though

>>2150973
Asked a friend who is on the team for more info, and TLL is looking pretty set for release at the latest by the end of the year in his opinion.

Five wants to release November, he's making damn sure they are releasing before the year ends though.

They are primarily waiting on the non-south africa stuff to get made, one of the things thats still a "maybe" for if it gets added to TLL or not is Omsk Postwar

>>2151075
Cautiously optimistic but we'll see.

>>2150826
https://files.catbox.moe/3v5h8h.pdf here

>>2151260
>Original Baker here
Nice Yorty doc. I'll make sure to include it in the next bake. If anyone decides to make an early bake again for whatever reason please make sure that new leaks like this get added to the OPs at least!

>>2151264
Time for me to do an early bake with nothing but that document

>>2151260
Nice. Got anymore Yippie Character docs? Or flowcharts? I've been scrounging to see what their plan for vote pig is all about.

>>2151408>>2151408

I'm trying to get the original sender to share a copy of the VP branch, but they're too worried about Mango finding out, so it’s not guaranteed.

>>2151437
Every Copy of Vote Pig is personalized

>>2151437
Too risky. If that comes out he would go full biden tfr schizo with the greater tno community realizing how uncompleted it is.

>>2151574
Are you trying to encourage him using reverse psychology?

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Huh?

>>2150881
I think that the devs' groveling at McGovern and Chisholm's feet will be even worse than the groveling at Humphrey's feet.

>>2151821
Why those 2?

>>2152109
See VP's America rework proposal and their fawning descriptions of McGovern and Chisholm, even more fawning that Humphrey's.

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Context: this is from "Things That Never Were", an alternative history mod for the American elections browser game "The Campaign Trail", in the mod RFK wasn't assassinated and he won the 1968 election, you can play as both Kennedy and the RNC chair in charge of nominating a candidate to face Kennedy in the 1972 election (you eventually switch to said candidate), Sam Yorty is one of those candidates, and QPQ was a writer for TTNW, now, since he is obsessed with all things Sam Yorty, he is probably the one who wrote this nonsense. I wonder which racial group burned down American cities (Harlem 1964, Watts 1965, Detroit 1967, etc, the Detroit Race Riots in particular featuring levels violence unseen since the Civil War) and inflicted mass spontaneous violence while doing so? Hint: wasn't whitey, but since QPQ is a libtard, personal responsability doesn't apply to blacks in his case, mass spontaneous violence like that of Watts in 1965, where around 30,000 black residents went around attacking any white they could find, and when they couldn't find any more whites, they attacked other blacks are the fault of evil whitey racism!

I think that he is an ethnic white (lives in Brooklyn and is a Catholic, although an ultraliberal one, so he is probably an Irish-American), which makes this negrolatry even more bizarre considering that ethnic whites like himself were fierce opponents of forced integration (bussing, etc) because they wanted to mantain the ethnic composition of their neighborhoods.

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Context for the answer from what that delusional "advice" comes from.

>>2152137
But why specifically them? McGovern won a total of 1 STATE in 1972. If these people are turning their back on Harris for losing in 2024 then only lord knows how they would react to this. No matter how weak you make Nixon in 1972 he still wins because George is a fucking radical. Chisholm is the one that confuses me more. In 72 she got 430,703 votes during the primary, McGovern got 4 Million. They claim to be "realistic" but give her the chance to win the primary unlike a guy like Muskie who would make a far better candidate and realistic as well. Just confusing, very confusing.

>>2152157
>>2152161
Wait just a cocksucking fucking second is VP just going to be the bullshit they already released on TCT ages ago???

>>2152157
>>2152161
anons if any of (You) are interested in the trainwreck VP is shaping up to be, i recommend (You) look at what mango and co have done with TCT in general, because as a guy who's looked in at their TCTautism it's essentially a prototype for the writing of VP

>>2152254
what are you expecting? they want to make TNO into TCT

>>2152161
It's so funny to play TTNW because at the end of the day it still portrays Kennedy in a better light compared to the Republicans most of the time.

>>2152224
They didn't turn their backs on Harris for losing, but for stuff like "not being harsh enough in denouncing the Gaza Genocide". Again, you can see how McGovern and Chisholm are described in the VP USA rework proposal.

Anyways, they reconcile McGovern's landslide defeat in '72 with their fawning over him with "American politics weren't ready for so decent and honest of a man, they only want used cars salesmen" or something of the sort.

I think like, the inability of TNO devs to make ANYTHING is a good metaphor for the competency crisis in Anglo nations. Like sure their reworks are objective garbage, but like desu I would be at least indifferent if they could publish their reworks with complete skeleton content. But noooo, you can't execute Kampfzeit, you can't make Romania, you can't make Sweden, you can't execute your libwank US fantasy, you can't do anything except cannibalize submods!! Your code doesn't even work cause your localization covers everything up. You have to bolt up redundant mechanisms to replace existing systems because you have no idea how TNO backend (which btw is quite beautiful design) even works.
Tho this extends beyond execution to design planning, the nudevs can't come up with any interesting content, at least LATAM has Brazilian civil war and Italy can go in any direction. It just is really apparent in execution because it requires a good grasp of both mechanical design and melding it with TNO's backend.


Meanwhile the only TNO content pushed to completion are either Chinese or Russian, and maybe LATAM (Brazil sorta finished).

>>2152157
One idea for US instability that came up to my head would that if you were too integrationist, you would get a white supremacy insurgency supported by Germany, and failure to stamp out that insurgency would make large swathes of the US ungovernable and cause the US to lose the cold war. Similarly, if you were too repressive to minorities, a Japan funded minority insurgency would pop up with similar consequences if you fail to suppress them. The violence of both white supremacists and blacks are unfocused, spontaneous, but could be honed into a deadly weapon under the guidance of other superpowers.
Just in context for how crazy things can get, the Malayan emergency required nearly 300k combined troops to suppress 10k (mostly Chinese) guerillas who didn't even have support from the Malay population.

>>2152514
Continuing this, it's genuinely tragic that TNO US, a US that lost China, Russia Europe and even Hawaii to Japs, a US steaming with revanchism and populism, has been hijacked by these clowns to tell their political stories. Such a US would be poorer (lack of foreign markets), and more unstable (insecurity and poverty make people more extreme). Either the US can recover and claw back countries and markets from Germans and Japanese, or they can get funnied multiple times and elect socialists or fascists as people lose hope in the establishment. Like seriously, imagine a "National Salvation Army" protesting with 'Red Guards" supported by minority auxiliaries as the establishment fails to pass ANOTHER relief bill, only for the protest to devolve into brawling by left and right. Further, the right and left wing parties gaining ground claim to have nothing to do with these paramilitaries, but everyone knows that's not true.

Instead, we get OTL Dem v Rep slop cause that's what the devs do in TCT. BAKA such a wasted opportunity.

>>2152514
>>2152522
>desu
>baka
4troon opinion rejected.

>>2152534
thats just 4chans auto replace
T B H is just a standard way of talking and shortening it down nowadays, even my 80 year old granny shortens it with that now

>>2152300
>We wasted four years to port a TCT mod to TNO
>We lost Glenn, Yock and An-Maoist America to this
I hate nudevs so fucking much.

>>2152514
>Italy can do anything
Who's gonna tell him?

>>2152534
>Doesn't know about word filters
Lurk more newfag.

How is Requiem doing with submod integrations so far? I have yet to play Tsars and Soviets and kind of want to try it.

>>2152628
It'll likely see the light of day later in the autumn judging by earlier posts at least for TaS. Shouldn't be as painful as say ODF was for TNO since it's apparently more about translations and fixing code rather than reworking fucking everything. Some 2WRW functionality is needed for the Russians too, dunno if this'll drag things out but if it does blame Corn for telling all submodders that Russia isn't allowed to win for several years.

>>2152643
From what I can tell its mainly gonna be Translation (of the entire mod, the EN translation was entirely done by AI)
Also, re-adapting to the old map possibly. Making content be in-line with base Requiem here and there probably, I'd honestly be surprised and a little bit weirded out if TAS would be a massive exception to the rest of the mod.

To any Requiem Dev that reads this, please dont bow to "Its their mod so we need to preserve it" 100%, keep as much as you can but change what needs changing!!

>>2152643
can very clearly tell you that TaS is the next update after TLL and not coming with that update, and I've seen work being done on more than just the translation so it's looking to be updated and expanded maybe? So you're looking at early or mid next year, perhaps, considering TLL is coming out this year according to Five

>>2152558
nta, but there were more word filters added? The only ones I've seen after all this time back when the filter was added were S O Y and T B H. Man was it annoying to try and discuss about BTech's old space board game with the s o y filter.

>>2152522
Its the not the 2 party system that is the problem, its going to be the bias that will be the problem. They will portray people like Nixon and HW Bush as very corrupt people but will probably never even mention the Bobby Baker scandal and would say it was "not a big deal". They will portray people like Ronald Reagan losing his mind and being a very impatient person if he doesn't complete an objective even though his name is "THE GREAT COMMUNICATOR". But Shirley fucking Chisolm will be shown as more wise and reasonable than Ronald Reagan. I would not be shocked if Wallace would be shown in a better light than Rockefeller because he had a D next to his name. They say America was not ready for McGovern... Motherfucker you had people in his own party campaign for Nixon because he was such a fucking radical that if was his "truer" self as it will be seen in VP, Nixon would have won Massachusetts. They preach realism but remove Romney and replace him with an Asian (who would never get the nomination in 1972) because he wasn't "evil" enough. I say at least QPQ or Mango ropes after it flops, one of those 2.

>>2152809
Definitely. Some even ban you. I got ‘nished for 2 WEEKS for trying to link to Kiwi Farms

>>2152885
An Asian in a timeline where Asia is one of your main enemies no less.

Its like America nominating or even electing a Russian

The problem with Vote Pig is that it's wish fulfillment. It's teenagers on the internet coping and seething that their favorite candidate lost.

I could get the vitriolic hatred for republicans if the devs were marxists but they are all literally just bog standard liberals.

>>2153438
If the devs were marxists it would all be 'both sides bad' and hating the dems as well. It's precisely because they're liberal partisans that the GOP is presented as pure evil. They're american liberal institutionalists and have convinced themselves of a manichean worldview where the dems are an incarnation of progress and the march of whig history, while the republicans are all the corrupt, evil forces whose only purpose is to get in the way and destroy things out of greed, stupidity and malice.

>>2153438
worse, they're liberals LARPing as marxists
vote blue for the revolution, comrade!

>>2153432
What the fuck is Requiem's America supposed to be then?

>>2152885
Rockefeller will be portrayed far more positively than Wallace, you can see this by comparing and contrasting their descriptions in VP's America rework doc. Most of this is due to the devs being negrolatrors, which means that civil rights, the more radical and the more white-dispossessing the better, is their biggest priority, Rockefeller was a lot more positive to civil rights than Wallace, so he will get a much more positive depiction.

>>2152929
They're Russiagaters and believe that America did, in fact, elect a Russian. If that helps with your theorycrafting about them electing an evil Japanese guy in 1972.

>>2153478
Hopefully nothing of the sort. An early draft did leak but it was a completely undercooked proof of concept. It'll be a while before we have any idea what they'll do. But they better not try to just try to compete with TNO on its home turf: endless normal politics and a deluge of establishment politicians. Why the fuck even bother reworking America at that point?

>>2153491
Sorry, I meant to add "In the Cold War"

So now that the new DLC got its release date announced, are we thinking TNO/Requiem will actually release anything major before the end of the year?

>>2153438
If the devs were socialists you'd get something like KR where one of the parties collapses with a third socialist bloc becoming mainstream.
My friend, you have discovered liberals larping as communists, a tendency in the US that started with the New Left, (btw, Yippie and Vote Pig are references to them)
Interestingly enough, Reuther, probably the only leftist path the devs planned out, is not portrayed very positively for some reason.

>>2153706
Judging by how these things usually go: all mods planned something for November, Paradox releases an update the same time every year that fucks them all over, updates happen around Christmas.

Nothing ever happens.

>>2153757
I mean its possible people were thinking its gonna be December this year, given the date of Pearl Harbor itd make sense atleast.

>>2153770
Paradox isn't retarded enough to not only miss out on some of the busiest commercial days of the year while also causing a PR nightmare by trying to make coin out of one of the darkest days in American history by trying to turn thousands of dead sailors into a PR opportunity.

>>2153706
Requiem announced South Africa and Alexander Men drops nov-dec

mission to get the yippie branch failed, however heres the newest and hottest france flowchart, they killed the resistance like everything in this mod.

https://files.catbox.moe/omzl7q.png

Think thats everything ill be able to share, enjoy yorty for now.

>>2153849
this is very similar to the old france chart that was leaked a few months ago right?
the only thing missing is germany invading the republic and putting augier(?) in power pretty much

>>2153847
source?

>>2153859
Fascist coup also changed to being caused by losing algeria, otherwise only the resistance was changed

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>>2153849
>>2153859
Let's compared it with the leak from a few years ago...
>Biggest change is removing a war and ecofash France
>Reshuffled some democratic leaders
>All Free France content and tag's backstory gutted (not shown)
These morons completed absolutely nothing in several years other than starting over and reworking their plans that never get started and they'll still loyally serve the leads with a smile. Grim.

>>2153799
HoI4 was literally released *on* DDay, its first DLC was released on the anniversary of the Drobytsky Yar Massacre, Waking the Tiger (the last Asia expansion) was released on the same day Indonesia and Rangoon were captured by the IJA.

Paradox never made November THE month were they release updates, BBA was in September, AAT was in October.
Paradox so far has released a DLC in November... Twice. This year will be thrice.

>>2153884
D-Day is different. That's about reclaiming Europe from fascism. Its connotations are entirely different from thousands of Americans dying in an attack and the DLC wasn't marketed the same way that releasing something on Pearl Harbor day would be in the context of a Japan-centric expansion pack. They might have done it if it was focused on the Allies however.

Has someone asked the devs where is Pol Pot in the TNO universe? Or is he considered "unrealistic" even though the Cambodian genocide, despite sounding like something from a HOI4 mod, happened IRL and invalidates almost every single excuse the devs make up?

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>>2153907
Pol Pot is considered le unrealism. He's considered so unrealistic that they even made a joke chart about him. Surprise, it's actually more interesting than their actual content.

>>2153910
Amazing. Although I should not be surprised, as the very existence of the man is a giant "fuck you" to the nu-devs mentality.

>>2153721
They think that Reuther is not left wing enough. They probably think every president would act like Reagan dealing with the PATCO strikes and they think that you must kiss the unions ass. They are socialists because what else explains that they want a government giving them the money to survive while working on a hoi4 mod from 9-5 and contributing nothing to society.

>>2153925
Woah Woah Woah, if nu-TNO was released itd atleast provide *some* entertainment

We're on levels of dead mod that shouldn't even be possible.

I am actually conflicted on DV integration. This might be controversial in this thread, but I definitely see some positives.

1. Africa will be an actual battlefield between great powers instead of being railroaded into the same outcome (Huttig collapse or OFN decolonisation)
2. You will be able to make colonialism last in TNO2 and beyond (kino)
3. Apartheid South Africa can avoid collapse

There are more negatives though:

1. It deletes iconic content
2. It is only skeleton content
3. It is uninspired as hell and OTList
4. Removes actual wars in favour of decision proxies
5. It will never come out

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>>2153945
>Africa will be a battlefield
You're trading in SS/Boer guerrillas slaughtering GIs for tinpot dictator Mbutu having border wars with tinpot dictator Ubuto. They've said as much themselves and none of it will be playable in your lifetime.

>Colonialism can last into TNO2
You could maintain fascists and colonial regimes throughout Congo and I guarantee you that the post-Huttig.
>Apartheid South Africa/Boers can avoid collapse
This is true, and we are getting Rhodesia. But only because they existed OTL and I bet you they'll treat them like they were treated OTL. So even this is likely to be disappointing, but at least it has a chance to be an upgrade.

>>2153925
Yeah, the leaked focus tree concept attacks Reuther in the civil rights section for not being in favor of white dispossession radically enough.

>>2153954
>This is true, and we are getting Rhodesia. But only because they existed OTL and I bet you they'll treat them like they were treated OTL.

Rhodesia is a really odd case IRL. They treat ti as the worst nation ever and the closest thing to the Nazis, yet looking into it, it seems they were less racist than South Africa, who we were supplying resources to and had better relations with. What gives?

>>2154014
I have a theory and that's the fact that Rhodesiaboos are completely insufferable. If it wasn't for them they wouldn't be as much of a hatesink.

The best part of Rhodesiaboos is that they often forget that Israel was one of the few nations in the world to bend over backwards to support them

>>2154014
>the worst nation ever and the closest thing to the Nazis
They were basically doing the exact same shit as South Africa, they just sucked at it. Wouldn't listen to their overlord who was trying to fix their fucked nation state, ended up as an unrecognised government and decided to fight a retarded bush war instead of just admitting that it was all over. Nobody but terminally online freaks gives a shit about Rhodesia or thinks it was especially evil and Nazi esque - your vision is being clouded by terminally online discourse. In reality Rhodesia is just a classic case of an African failed state, except with the odd exception of it being white people running the show for once.

>>2154048
That, plus somehow the state that followed was EVEN WORSE.

Like seriously, Rhodesia somehow was better than Zimbabwe was

>>2153945
DV definitely has some potential for being better with getting Japan involved. Also Tanzania (Tanganyika) seems like it may get some interesting content with wars for ubuntu. They're basically the posterchild for blacks getting so woke that they turn into Hitler

>>2154117
>Better at getting Japan involved
>All current content gone including all direct and indirect military involvement in West Africa because the war is deleted
>Skeletons only until at least 2027
Yeah no.

>>2153849
Given they are reworking Italy to be friendly with Germany instead of rivals, it's logical that the resistance can't use Italy against Germany. Tho it's obvious BS and France would naturally drift towards Italy absent Reich coercion. Just more Reich plot armor to "make Germany competitive" or whatever.

>>2153925
Reuther is insanely left wing compared to all other presidents, but it's clear the devs dislike him cause civil rights civil rights. Like, what other presidents pass codetermination laws, pass 30 hour work week, mass nationalize heavy industry etc? Leftists love that shit, yet the devs snarking on him should tell you their real sympathies.
Though it's probably true that Reuther's union base would be indifferent to hostile on civil rights.But I'm sure he could push some civil rights reform as long as he keeps handing out goodies to unions.

>>2154048
I've got no real info on Rhodesia outside of a general history; but what do you mean by fucked nation state? Why was it a failed state?

I bet you ten quid they're adding Rhodesia solely because Panzer said no Rhodesia ever
Half the nudevs' motivation for changes are so they can soapbox their liberal political beliefs, the other half is spite for everything in TNO that came before them

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>>2154255
>spite what came before
The chuds and Rhodesiaboos still took out a victory lap over it when they made their suicide announcement so even that plan of theirs backfired. Truly an instance of cutting off your nose to spite your face and everyone's laughing at them.

>>2154048
>Nooo why do you fight for you country??? you should have just let niggers kill and rape you like we did!!!11! It worked so well for South Africa!!!

>>2146564
>stands there despite losing European markets and war? Very unimaginative.

It's because the 'good guys' of the TNO universe are libtards and they are incapable of presenting liberal ideology as being flawed unless its headed by an arch conservative like Nixon in which case the flaws are personal and usually very gay.

>>2154170

A (now defunct) great historyposting Twitter account made an excellent thread on the Civil Rights v. Organized Labor conflict, you can read it archived here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220611003028/https://twitter.com/pompilivs/status/1400177810896044034

>>2153863
Also successful Sidos is now NatSoc instead of Fash for some reason.

>>2153954
>You're trading in SS/Boer guerrillas slaughtering GIs for tinpot dictator Mbutu having border wars with tinpot dictator Ubuto. They've said as much themselves and none of it will be playable in your lifetime.>
Yeah, I agree, but I'm not trading anything. If I want to play SAW again I will play Requiem or RA, not TNO.

>You could maintain fascists and colonial regimes throughout Congo and I guarantee you that the post-Huttig.>
Maximum you can keep is Congo, and it's not even a settler colony, just some playground for german megacorps. New Kenya will actually be a settler colony, plus I you play your cards right more Africa can remain under colonial rule than just Congo.

>This is true, and we are getting Rhodesia. But only because they existed OTL and I bet you they'll treat them like they were treated OTL. So even this is likely to be disappointing, but at least it has a chance to be an upgrade.>
I too hope for an accidental kino from the nudevs, but the chances are slim.

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>>2154646
>This change alone delayed France by at least another year before DV made them redo that from scratch too

Does anyone know what is happening in Britain dev? All I can get from DV documents is that Maudling is gone.

>>2154721
Last year a major Britain dev (not Frost) said that DV would destroy the tag's entire lore. In between then and now we haven't heard a peep other than that they're reworking things and that DV is being integrated and will, you guessed it, destroy the tag's lore.

It's fucking dead.

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>>2154744
Grim.
Reposting one of the old Britain flowcharts from TFL times just to feel alive.

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>>2154890
You don't hate TNO devs enough.

>>2145992
>>2146035
>>2146162
This is fucking amazing. How could Mango scrap TOTAL BOURGEOISIE DEATH in favor of some lame duck technicality?

Removing the NPP is proof that TNO is truly dead. Having 14 parties in a coalition ticket to dab on the establishment was fucking brilliant, the kind of thing that nu-devs could not accept.

>>2155145
Removing the NPP didn't kill TNO but it's the second step towards the cliff's edge after the Atlantropa removal. A big step on the road that everyone in hindsight recognizes played a major role in killing TNO, but at the time felt smaller. We didn't know yet how bad things would get and they still actually released content.

>>2155145
14 parties? I thought there were 4?

>>2155159
What in your opinion killed it?

>>2155162
4 caucuses of 14 parties.
>Progressive Caucus
Progressive Party (Socdems and progressives)
Farmer-Labor Party (Minnesota left-wing populists)
Nonpartisan League (North Dakota agrarian lefties)
Liberal Party (New York social liberals)
>Nationalist Caucus
Nationalist Party (National conservatives and paleoconservatives)
States' Rights Party (Dixiecrats)
Lousiana Progressive Party (Huey Long followers)
Conservative Party (New York conservatives)
>Marxist Caucus
CPUSA (commies)
The Socialist Party of America (demsocs)
The Peace and Freedom Party (Californian socialist pacifists)
The Raza Unida Party (left-wing Mexican nationalists in Texas)
>Sovereigntist Caucus
All-American National Vanguard (Yockey's nazis)
National States' Rights Party (most extreme Dixiecrats, fascist piechart who believe in nationwide segregation and hate Jews, one of Yockey's cabinet members is from them)

>>2154919
Yeah, early in TFL development Wallop was supposed to be a RETVRN TO SOIL meme path, which was kinda a trap. Not long before TNO integration he was repurposed into two fully-fledged subpaths, which you can see in Ruin. I was in the submod's dev team at the time.

>>2155164
DV killed the mod off for good but there are many events you can set as the one that killed TNO.
>Atlantropa removal
>GCW removal, Germany's rework and the rise of the realism clique
>NPP removal, Vote Pig and the TCTification of TNO
>Removing Burgundy and EsoNaz
>Reworking all of Russia
>Introduction of German plot armor and mandatory reworks to conform to it
>Post-Guangdong content drought due to all these mandated reworks and purges by the realism clique
>DV integration and mass deletion of all playable classic content
Looking back if I could only remove one of these I'd remove the Germany rework because most of the disastrous events stem from it and the Reich lead Lamounier's decisions. But it's a close call. It really speaks volumes to the strength of the setting that it took so many attempts to kill it before TNO was actually completely dead.

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i actually find the nu-tno le realism stuff alot more intriguing than old TNO, but i get why people will miss the "muh wholesome atlantropa & burgundy". people havent read the actual planned content for DV and think its just "OTL africa", buuuut i also realize this is gonna release in never + 2 weeks

>>2155178
>Post-Guangdong content drought due to all these mandated reworks and purges by the realism clique

This right here is the reason. Momentum plays a factor in terms of deving. The team had all of it after SD and after Corn fucked up the Ruin TNO lost all of its momentum and they had to rework everything because the Ruin wasn't as good as SD and integrate everything to get some content out. Iberia will be the first update since SD to have full content for a country that isn't an integration or integration adjacent. I don't see why Corn gets way more hate for this. If people think Five is trigger happy, the Ruin was announced like 3 weeks after SD with Poland being nowhere close. People always say its Lamounier and Mango but never Corn. Why?

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>>2155227
>IRL copy-pasta is more interesting than alt-history
>It's not OTL Africa because the Wiki-scrape factions lazily replace the USSR with Japan
The Chinese leaked all the DV documents a thread or two ago and it was all either OTL slop or something that'd been adjusted in the laziest way imaginable.

>>2155272
Probably because Corn is just a company man while the others call the shots. He's also the most successful of them all and has added more content than he's removed. None of the Russia reworks ever saw the light of day and Ukraine, non-canon nukes and all, is actually playable. Meanwhile all European development is in shambles because every single tag has had to be reworked or scrapped (sometimes multiple times like Moscow, Italy and France) due to Germany's rework. The less said about Yippie the better. Not saying that I don't agree that Corn is a bad lead but there's a reason why the others are genuinely hated while he's more of a meme.

>>2153907
I just read about Jim Jones and thought the same. If I were in charge I would make him Gus' running made or something. But then again having an evil leftist would go against their narrative

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I promise I am not trying to start shitflinging here.
Why is Social Credit Wallop portrayed as so catastrophic for the economy? Isn't it just farmer-focused socdem policies with a lot of racism and conspiracy theories? How are socdems able to do welfare and protectionism but when the fascists do it's going to make line go down through the floor?

>>2155355
Basically, SoCreds issue lots and lots of 0% loans to the public. In their theory, when these loans are returned the inflation caused by issuing them is negated, which is not true. Therefore, inflation accumulates and leads to crisis. I'm not an expert btw.

>>2155472
>Wallop is commentary on the subprime crisis