CTS: campaigntrailshowcase.com/campaign-trail/index.htmlNCT: newcampaigntrail.com/campaign-trail/index.html
I still don't get how Barbara Jordan is so strong in YEAR Zero. Yeah she stood up to Nixon but I'm not so sure about half of America not going super racist against her.
>>2337401Because the mod is retarded. It's just an excuse to jerk off some black lesbian from the 70s. And use the excuse of one good speech she made at a DNC as a rationale for why everyone would somehow love her.
>>2337274why is your map colored like unit 01?
>>2338405It's the 1912 Arena.
>>2337401>why is Barbara Jordan so strong in the Barbara Jordan mod?
>>2340480Literally who?
I feel like early 2025 spoiled me. TTNW, All The Way, Razistorija - all in quick succession after each other - it was just too good and now basically every other mod feels mid. Brianesque slop that's only worth a single playthrough especially. Year Zero was such a letdown, like what the fuck is the mod even about? Its supposed to be this feelgood lionization of Church, but all you get is a very boring basic campaign where you're told you got aura, but its all tell don't show. Like, it feels they wanted to make a "fuck the deepstate mod", but were too shy or lazy to make an incumbency sim about Church, which could have had great potential. And what of 4 More Wars? What does it bring to the table that W. didn't? Howard Dean? Its still the same "Spam Ohio and barely win" campaign as dove Kerry. Sure, its better in replay value than Year Zero, but then my mind just wanders back to Good For Me, a mod by a complete unknown that btfo's all this shit while staying at the same tech level. And don't get me started on how uninspired the OSTs are becoming, especially for post-2000s mods.
>>2340741>RazistorijaStill the best Incumbent/CYOA mod btw.
They're teasing a Year Zero sequel lmao.
>>2340817Okay Dodik.
Are there any Truman scenario yet?
>>2343124Surprisingly no.There's the 1948 vanilla scenario. Which is one of the best from Dan Bryan. But they haven't done a incumbency simulator with him yet
Does anyone know how to unlock the Persist to Pride achievement for Razistorija? I've been managed to unlock everything else but I'm kinda stuck on this one.
A figure from West Virginia who's willing to be on your ticket.
>>2343804I probably did since I did all the possible paths in the code. What does it ask for, specifically? Never saw any of its achievments since I load it via CTS every time.
>>2343924The description of the achievement just says "Under the star of victory. Are you happy?"
>>2343804how do you unlock like half of the achievements for that?the only ones i remember getting are the 'don't join eurovision because you retract your recognition of israel' one and the 'be really liberal and attempt to join NATO/the EU when your opponents are seselej and the other guy causing a civil war'.
>>2343989Your opponents are decide by how two things: Your domestic policies (are you a liberal or an autocrat?) and your foreign policy (USA, Union State and Non-aligned). Try being doing different combinations to unlock the different candidates.
>>2344004yeah i had that somewhat pinned down (could never consitently get the agromerc guy) but that only makes up 6/15 no?i've never figured out stuff like >inheritance >prevrat>prodigal son >tomislav III>overpenitration i used a guide to get the razistorjia one but it's a complete mystery how a blind player is supposed to
>>2344006Inheritance is fairly simple, pick the liberal option in the first question, then oratorial genius in the second and in the third pick "are you sure they love you?". Prevrat and Prodigal Son are automatically unlocked in the route where you get replaced by your VP and with overpenitration you need to kill the mayor during the civil war while making it look like an accident. Tomislav I think can be unlocked if you win as Dodik's VP.
>>2344012actually that reminds me, i checked the code for that one, and how do you get zoran to take over from dodik?i never saw a direct trigger for it, but i think i saw it was related to the agromerc guy?
>>2344013There is a Zoran variable that needs to reach 18. Once it does, Dodik will be replaced. You can find it in the code.
>>2344015I'm skimming through the code and can't find it (am a retard), remember any of the triggers?
>>2343804Looking through the code, I'm fairly certain that Persist to Pride and Tomislav III are physically impossible to get. Persist to Pride requires you to pick the Yugoslavist option for Q1 and to keep Milanovic in Zagreb to pick answer 51431 on Q3, but requires you to have the bureaucrats variable at 2 or above by Q6, which is impossible without having Zoki resign from his post in Zagreb. Tomislav III requires you to win when Milanovic takes over, which I also don't think is possible.
>>2344043Just search Milanovic and you'll eventually find It in the code.
>>23440431. they almost killed it2. I remember your time3. Great. I love meetings.4. Well, it's basically true.5. Why fix something that isn't broken?6. gay in America7. and buddy, I'm a brocon8. We don't like pegging here.9. Triglav10. We're not getting fucking hanged over Boron.11. doesn't matter12. No panicking.13. Condemn violence and, war.14. Tito's whole non-alignment thing15. I don't know, a new railway??16. Make him bleed.17. doesn't matter18. Care to share?19. Montenegro's our soft underbelly. 20. SBD21. doesn't matter22. where the hell is Gruevski?
>>2344086Oh, then the only achievement now I need is Vidovdan. I know it has to do something with the Hovrat Path and the protests but it's unclear on how to unlock the secret ending.
>>2344086It seems they never made a Milanovic win ending against Abdic. I used easier difficulties to make him win and it still said he lost the election. Are we sure the achievement is about Milanovic winning?
All this talk about Razistorjia makes me realise not one mod has been as fun of an incumbency sim, nor has had such engaging writing. Unironically what went so fucking right?>>2344289I'd assume it was cut relatively last minute from the initial release, due to time constraints or some other reason - and I don't think they updated the code since?>>2344086I'd also assume this is a bug that never got addressed?
>>2344467>Unironically what went so fucking right?Marxist writers, that's what went right.
>>2344289>>2344467Tomislav III isn't even mentioned in the code and there isn't even a written ending for Zoki winning, so I assume it's just not meant to be unlocked. Persist to Pride is possibly a mistake as the requirements do exist, but it also may be deliberate.
>>2344577That does make some sense, I mean the description of Tomislav is>Make things okay.which is maybe meant to imply things can't be okay, especially after the backroom shit you do in that path? Ala that one W. achievement about making HW proud which you can't ever naturally unlock because he just hates (You).Same with Persist to Pride and it's description having >Are you happy?but I feel like that one's reaching, when it may just be a bug.
>>2344577What about this >>2344237?
>>2344237So to get Vidovdan you need to lose very badly. I think Horvat has to get like 185+ seats.
>>2345352I'll take us into the future, where we haven't gone before. NATO, European integrations! Seselj, buddy, the past is over. Catch up!
>>2345913DODIK GET DOWN.
>>2345924Which mod?
>>2345883It works.
Post your worst campaign fuck ups
newfag here'bout a month ago, someone made a Campaign Trail "/v/ plays" thread on /v/ that was incredibly fun to participate in. How often do the people in this thread have a /v///vst/ plays thread like that? I had a great time watching some people get really into character and reading others' rationale about the decisions they were pushing.
>>2346877It's happens pretty rarely here.
>>2346877What was so fun?
>>2347053
>>2346802what happens when you deadlock this election?
There's a Humphrey CYOA coming out in a few days. How much glazing do you think there will be in it?
>>2347386It's 1970s Hubert Humphrey, so I imagine his efforts to capture the white backlash vote (he did this irl) will be pretty central to his domestic policy
>>2347386>more CYOA's dedicated to democrats>third parties critically underrepresented even though mods should actually overrepresent them, IMOthat reddit post calling everyone out was pretty based
>>2347539>that reddit post calling everyone out was pretty basedQRD?
>>2344468It's the only bleak leftist mod that actually sells its worldview and isn't just about how *my* faction should control the Democratic Party
Epstein mod, where you try to put as many of your people in power as you can, while avoiding getting too much public attention
>>2344467>Unironically what went so fucking right? The writer(s) of Razistorija have actually read a couple books for one thing. The problem with 99% of incumbencyslop is that the writers try to be deep and engaging but the only writing they have experienced themselves is YA fiction/fanfiction, hoi4 mods, or other tct incumbency mods. Even the W. team displays a clear lack of experience with any literature or media in general that isn’t very surface level (like the clear inspiration taken from american psycho in W.’s 538 ending, or when they ripped off david lynch in that one really gay meta ending in TTNW where bobby and rogers morton go to the real world). This limited experience leads to shallow and repetitive mods, everyone just rips off W. these days because it was truly revolutionary, but if they cracked open a book or two (even ones totally unrelated to politics) they might find the inspiration to make something nobody has thought of before. TL;DR: read more books, watch more films, do something other than playing tct and you might be able to come up with something better than yet another W. ripoff incumbencyslop
>>2348306Whoops fucked up the greentext I’m going to kill myself now
>>2348252You'd expect a guy with as much impact on the current state of the world as him to come up more.We've got the Bill Clinton incumbency simulator and probably a dozen Trump scenarios and somehow Epstein is only mentioned once in all of those combined.
>>2348715>Epstein is only mentioned once in all of those combinedEpstein is mentioned in American Carnage, his tooltip refers to him as “a can of worms”, and Epstein also makes an appearance in a newly added Hope ending where he’s still alive in 2023 and shilling crypto
>>2347927Basically listing all the third parties which were historically significant, as well as mentioning which mods they appear, and which they are actually playable, in the latter almost none outside of bull moose.
Lore: Reddit mod ItsAstronomics has advocated for a restoration of American military dominance internationally. To do this, he argues, military rule by both major general (Gregory Brady) and Rubio-Secretary of Defense, for one year, Mark Esper, is necessary at home. He has also argued for a monarchy chosen by the interests of corporations, small businesses, yellow unions, and groups of the middle class. His anti-establishment fervor and anti-elite rhetoric have propelled him to the election runoff for president.ItsAstronomics has advocated for neo-nationalism and emphasized national identity and sovereignty, against globalization and immigration. His parties and organizations (yes, this asshole have made multiple, à la Jair Bolsonaro) have engaged in violence with left-wing activists, minority rights groups, alleged undocumented immigrants, and trade unions. His original party, the Restoration of America's Principles was right-wing populist. Due to America being a multi-party system, the party saw some success. Various far right and right-wing parties (Nick Fuentes' America First, Reginald Chandler's [Yes, Chris Chan's son] Patriot Pride, and the Constitution Party to name a few) allied with ItsAstronomics. He created the Resist! party and merged with centrists in other parties concerned about communism taking hold again.
>>2348815The alliance played on the Catholic faith ItsAstronomics had to pretend it had anti-colonialist views, supported the environment, and was against transhumanism. While the alliance of the right (America's Revival) was isolationist, ItsAstronomics still viewed the subjection of Africans and Spanish-speakers as justified. There were no real anti-colonialists, just duped leftists. Also, the alliance was ecofascist, and rather than call out the 100 companies with 70% of emissions, it blamed dirty lakes and waters on migrants, and China-bashed the Chinese owned state coal. Also the alliance was funded by Bitcoin enthuasists and had ties to Curtis Yarvin, a former Bitcoin-skeptic, but it just railed on transhumanism morally corrupting people and hurting God through baby-killing somehow. The alliance had neopaganists and weird semi-Christian religious imagrey. The alliance also wanted to abolish Congress, which it saw as too chaotic and people who liked the 2-party system grew warm to the party. It also wanted to implement Project 2025 at any cost, to save a decline in births of Christians and White people. The alliance wanted to guarantee single men, free women as property, Handmaid's Tale style.Much of this upset Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz was a reliable right-wing conservative. He founded the Conservative electoral alliance. But seeing his countrymen support a fascist in the polls was too much. He ran on national unity, and got the Green nomination, as well as support from the dissident Right. It all failed. ItsAstronomics won narrowly and was free to implement his policy on America.
>>2348815Roosevelt is this true?
>>2348816The first months of ItsAstronomics’ rule were marked by a whirlwind of ideological spectacle and authoritarian maneuvering. Neo-pagan symbols appeared in public spaces alongside vaguely Christian imagery, and state media framed every policy as a moral crusade against decadence and transhumanist corruption. Environmental policy became a performative ritual rather than substantive action. Lakes were “cleansed” and migrant communities were blamed for pollution, while major industrial emitters remained untouched. Bitcoin-funded initiatives and tech-friendly apparatchiks promoted the moral narrative of resisting technological overreach, portraying any innovation as a threat to divine order. In schools, textbooks were rewritten to highlight a pseudo-historical narrative of Christian and white victimhood, and children were taught that the decline of traditional families was a catastrophe to be reversed at any cost.Resistance simmered but was fragmented, with traditional conservatives like Ted Cruz marginalized and dissident liberals bewildered by the alliance’s mixture of ecofascism, corporatism, and religious spectacle. The public rollout of Project 2025, with its policies to guarantee single men and treat women as property, triggered protests in urban centers, yet the rural and suburban strongholds of the alliance cheered. Within months, the government began restructuring Congress entirely, replacing elected representatives with appointed loyalists and paramilitary enforcers. Internationally, ItsAstronomics’ rhetoric strained relations with allies, while China-bashing and anti-globalist posturing brought applause at home. The new administration’s combination of theatrical religiosity, environmental authoritarianism, and social engineering set the stage for a society increasingly divided along lines of faith, ethnicity, and compliance with the state’s moral hierarchy.
Humphrey mod just came out. First impressions?
>>2349036Its trash.
>>2349058Why?
>>2349036It's fine, but nothing more.It still feels like CYOA mods are circling the same drain of W., TTNW, and such.It was talked about earlier in this thread but I feel like nothing's topped Razistorija, or even American Carnage/Obamanation (because as much as they were beating you over the head with their messages it wasn't the same verbose cynicism slop).
>>2349036This was made by the same guy who did Our Revolution, wasn't it?
>>2349106Oh my god bruh.
It’ll be interesting to see how the other upcoming Humphrey mod stacks up against it
The Humphrey mod is buggy as hell, played against percy then wanted to see the other paths and got towler and then by the next question it switched to percy????
>>2340741>And don't get me started on how uninspired the OSTs are becoming, especially for post-2000s mods.When is Thatchmaster coming out with a new mod? He was the best at this.
>>2349599Final Cut should be coming soon no? Even if i'm afraid it's just gonna devolve into "Reagan is literally Satan" circlejerking.
>>2349659>i'm afraid it's just gonna devolve into "Reagan is literally Satan"I got more of a “Reagan hardly knows what the fuck is going on and Nancy is the real power behind the throne” vibe from it
>>2349106I cannot believe this whole screen is real
>>2349036Borderline satire
The definition of mid. Overly verbose in places and typical Democratic wanking. The bitching about Chennault doesn't help either, the way it's written you'd think Nixon single-handedly stopped a peace deal in '68 (instead of, yk, the fact it was 100% going to fail with or without him) and kept the war going.
>>2349106This is what I would make if I had to make a parody mock-up of generic incumbency sims
>>2340741Razistorija is literally the best mod released for this trash game but the morons in the community for it rejected it, and also obviously the whole scandal with the programmer or whtvr.
>>2348306If you like Razi reading list wen. Personally I think people who liked it would like Vladimir Sorokin's work, especially "Telluria"
Why are there four threads?
>>2351279Multithreading, it makes the game run faster
>>2351279this is for all intents and purposes a general thread but we don't call it that since then the jannies take it down so someone probably thought they were supposed to make a new one
>>2352476Congratulations! You have won the 2012 United States Presidential Election!
Anyone know how to bypass blog paywalls? I'm morbidly curious what Ettingermentum from W. Team is writting, especially about HOI4 mods.
>>2352594He's probably calling all mods of Hoi4 fascist unless they are socdem/demsoc circlejerks.
Hello everyone, Memorandum Teleoptik here. Long story short: two months ago, the anonymous individual behind the original allegations came into contact with us to retract their accusations, apologizing for the fact that they were either wildly exaggerated or invented whole-cloth (a la the Nazi stuff).Since then, we (the original coder and writer, alongside various returning and new artistic contributors) been working on a remake of Razistorija in an entirely new engine. The plan is for it to release in a trilogy with two of the original writer's yet-unpublished works.That's all. See you all in April!
>>2352638HOLYYYY. This looks awesome, but since the original accusations were retracted is it possible to see the original Razistorija back on CTS (and maybe have the Persist to Pride achievement fixed?)
>>2352678its on open TCT but they would never let it be uploaded on main CTS/NCT
>>2352678>>23526781. The other anon said everything there is to be known.2. The Persist to Pride achievement was already fixed in an internal copy, but this unfortunately was not the version that entered public circulation. It will be fixed in the remake, alongside a side-host of the most up-to-date legacy code.Additionally, the technical framework we're using was built from the ground-up in Godot and will feature editable scenarios, alongside being much more modular than base TCT. It will be released for public use, for free, alongside the Razistorija remake. Our hope is that it will be a useful tool to other creatives in the mapgame sphere.
>>2352679>>2352704I see. Can't wait for the remake and the Legacy version then!
>>2352638>>2352704You know, you aren't so bad for a communist faggot. Looking forward to playing the new Razistorija.
>>2352704>>2352638Can you explain how people were meant to figure out how to get the actual Razistorija achievement? I'm a brainlet sure, but I feel like it's a little arbitrary.also what the fuck does it mean what the fuck does it mean
>You know, you aren't so bad for a communist faggot.
brehs how do i get these cheevos, they're the only ones i don't know how to get (besides the unobtainable ones)
>>2352855oh yeah, and this one
>>2352855>>2352857Go on the wiki, now there's guides for all the Razistorija achievements.
>>2352638Heyo! This is someone from OpenTCT, would you be able to join the server for a quick chat? I want to make sure all this is cleared up. Great to see you around again.
>>2352787'Razistorija' itself is a real word and literary-philosophical concept derived from the writings of Dobrica Ćosić. Literally, it means 'un-history.' Attached is how Nick Miller describes it in 'The Nonconfomists:' I think this is perhaps the part of the mod that was least understood - naturally so, for the record - but it was also the most loadbearing to our subjective conception of it. All MTO works until now have dealt with 'Razistorija' in one way or another.The Razistorija Ending being easy to find was not as important to us as it simply existing, although both our playtesters found it independently. It is achieved by retreating to the past. Razistorija 2012 and the little world it depicts is a circus of misery constructed such that it can be approached and interpreted from all possible ideological directions. This is why we were simultaneously being accused of being Nazis and also Maoists, Serbian chauvinists and also Ustashas.The Razistorija Ending is peeking behind the curtain, and screaming. Being a kid who is already dead, looking into the eyes of a loved one inside a dream and seeing no-one there. You get the picture. If you do not, my hope is that the new path we are adding in the remake will help illuminate it. This is gay wordcel slop but it's also the only honest answer we can give, and purposeful esoteric ambiguity is passé.
>>2352889So it's like, if History just died one day and you had nothing to look forward to?
>>2352897Yeah. But, you know, it's been known to happen to people - a real occupational hazard in the terminal society of developed liberalism - it's no joke. What is Seselj or Zmago Jelencic or Bosniak Mujahideen or Ustasha Emigrees except those who have been brought back to life through the reversal of time, blind and gigantic ogres hillocking chaotically about like the Max Ernst's "The Angel of Hearth and Home"? A crazed Manchu Nationalist exits a quaint ethnic festival with a revolver and begins to frantically exert his will upon the world. Men dedicated to the brave ideal of Occitanian Ultranationalism.The Razistorija Ending is about this, and it is also about being children raised in the muck of it, the innocent and young being world-historically molested. That's about the long and short of it. You'll either intuitively relate or you won't. Over-explanation is its own kind of death.
>>2352638HYPE HYPE HYPE. Razistorija is the best TCT mod. I knew the "allegations" were bullshit from the beginning. Best wishes to you and the rest of the team, and I'm looking forward to your next work!
>>2352910An extra question, who are the people in the ending questions meant to be, besides Dodik, Guliani, and Putin?
>>2352638i feel like there should be a more public post about the allegations being retracted
Are there mods that you guys are enjoying?
>>2353067>you should go to reddit and...le BEG so they let you back innigger who caresrazistorija is about to surpass tct anyway
>>2352992Pretty sure those were Tito and Cosic. Not sure about the VP slots though, except that Rudy's was Huckabee
>>2353068Neither of us have bothered with any mods since the release of Razistorija. I can't speak for my co-dev, but as for me personally, I am just un-interested in self-soothing lullabies about how THIS obscure imperial bureaucrat could have tucked you in and told you there are no monsters under the bed. It's all dreadful stuff, cosmologically extremely bleak, bleaker and more dreadful than even our work in many ways.
>>2353067We understand this perspective, but this is as public as we can reasonably be without associating or engaging with the den of noospheric terrorists and (ironically enough) open predators that comprise the 'Base TCTNO' failson cartel system. Besides, we are uninterested in being figures in the 'TCT Space.' We know they know we know, and we'll keep our distance if they keep theirs.
>>2352992I don't remember the exact order they appear in, but;1. Dodik - VP: Zoran (obviously)2: Tito - VP: Moša Pijade3. Dobrica Ćosić - VP: Dejan Medaković4. Putin - VP: Medvedev (degenerates into an old orthodox icon of the Theotokos)5. Rudy - VP: Huckabee (degenerates into Epstein-Maxwell)I think that's that.
>>2353250You don't get it! If this specific candidate won AND followed my ideology we would have a Democrat one-party state and we could kill any Republican on sight!!>>2353252>Open predatorsHuh?
>>2353271Not op but it’s an open secret Lurker (the 1824 guy) has said sus things about the age of consent and other things of that nature but is allowed to remain in the community discord (despite other people getting banned for much less) and even work with Astro on his mods, that’s the only thing I’m aware of unless mango is doing more with underaged girls than just making them cut themselves
>>2353289Jesus christ.
I heard the guy behind Hope was doxxing people (even ppl on his own team he didn't like), is this true and can anyone confirm?
>>2353463It's full of horseshit and another excuse for the TCT mods to ban people who don't fit their precious circlejerk
>>2353271>devs putting a bunch of effort into Democrat shill mods that are immediately forgotten Still no Reform 2000 mods that weren't made here.
>>2353463>The Clique says the Hope lead doxxed a member of his team>Team member in question directly states this is bullshit>Same team member gets banned from the main discord for stating thislmao
>>2353463>>2353632Idk but do I know the Hope guy is the biggest critic of mango still in the community and if you’re ever banned from anything tct related the actual reason will always be because you didn’t sufficiently suck mango and his friends dicks and glaze their diminishing returns to the fullest extent possible, that’s why every prominent modder that isn’t attached to his hip in some way has long fucked off either by choice or involuntarily by now so sounds like he’s next for the chopping block
>>2353677Mango plans to leave anyway once Project 2024 is finished so this all kind of feels like salting the earth on the way out
>>2353677Can't wait for Astro to suddenly hate on Hope for being "optimismslop" or whatever buzzword they come up with.
>>2353817Hope IS slop and creatively bankrupt imo but it’s obvious whenever Mango drags his ass out of his private server to drop another faggy “review” (aka permission for the W team glazers to flame hate towards a mod team he doesn’t like, as was what happened with Hope last year when he, obummer and the other mean girls of tct piled on it) on the discord you know it’s only because he had a prebaked agenda against it and not that he genuinely wants the creators behind them to improve and make better work>it’s your fault because you’re white, can’t wait for Hope
alright so I was talking to one of my buddies who happens to be a higher up in the community and basically:1) the guy behind hope had the doxx of several members of his own team2) he kicked them out because they were unproductive and threatened to dox them if they ever told anyone3) my buddy (who is the higher up) who was in the server this was happening in leaked this to the head mods4) hope is never being updated again, none of the lead hope guys are ever getting unbanned + if they try to then hope is getting taken off the loadersso the dude's a straight up scumbag from what I hear lmao
>>2353880X for doubt. Maybe it’s true, I’ve heard the Hope team is a total clusterfuck, but if being a scumbag was a legitimate bannable offense Mango would’ve been gone a long time ago
>>2353880Plus not letting Hope be updated again if true reads to me like a deliberate move to wipe out the Hope team from the community to keep people in line ahead of P24, even Tom was allowed to upload mods if he wanted
Feels great to be a right-winger with no stake in this debacle who can just laugh at the idiot liberals having yet another petty spat over a browser game.
>>2353903Thread contender for gayest post>>2353880Do you have proof for this? Has evidence been posted or are we taking what the mod team has to say at face value, with Tom they at least had screenshots
>>2353882correction. hope team lead (think his name is agreeablemachine or sum) is a scumbag + has no higher up friends (i.e. astro or decstar or whoever)
>>2353880>>2353971It wasn’t Agreeable, the members who were allegedly doxxed said as much and they got ran out of the server for clearing it up. The actual doxxer was imfakeithink
>>2353974i'm inclined to believe that, however agreeable had much more power within the hope team + much more time getting to know the members than imfakeithink. plus (according to my buddy) agreeable was incredibly transphobic to certain members of his team for no reason
>>2353978All I know is Ronnie (the one mango got to cut herself) is in the Hope server clearing Agreeable of any wrongdoing and saying the main server mods are hijacking a doxxing that she says didn’t even happen to her>plus (according to my buddy) agreeable was incredibly transphobic to certain members of his team for no reasonSteamedHams is the one accused of transphobia and of leaking people’s voices
The hearsay is annoying right now can somebody post a lick of evidence for what they’re pushing instead of naming random niggas as the culprit otherwise fuck off? Hope was dogshit and I don’t care about their gay inner team drama doubt anyone else does.
"Where the fuck is the evidence for this? I don't believe those people would ever do it consider doing what I've actually seen on discord.I've seen the doxxing shit debunked, and it really looks like most of these claims are bullshit created by the mods. The alleged victims even spoke out against it. I can't see why agreeable or the team would ever do that?Nobody was threatened with doxxing, if that was somehow unclear. And from what stuff I've seen, the leave was taken care of personally and is weird to go into in this ban case. All of the doxxing shit was bullshit created to just ban the team, as there's no real evidence to say the victims somehow lied.This entire thing is extremely suspiscious because of how they've changed direction from doxxing to transphobia now. I don't trust them."
>>2354148What I'm saying is why waste time to make this fake drama to ban modmaker? Is it because they criticized Mango once? How can a criticism warrant a conspiracy like this?
>>2354155You're obviously not familiar with how high school mean girls operate. Cliquey gay guys are like that, but a hundred times worse.
>>2354185Mob psychology too, people decide someone is at fault and then defending them becomes evidence of guilt
>>2354148So this is all a gay psyop by Mango and his friends to ban people they don’t like? Shocker.
>>2354155>Is it because they criticized Mango once?Probably a combination of things. Criticism, the whole self harm thing making Mango look bad, etc.
>>2354229Mango could be exposed as a pedo tomorrow and Astro would move heaven and earth to suppress it and pretend everything is fine, idk which dick he sucks more Mangos or his husbands
>>2354229What kind of blackmail does Mango have on Astro lol.
>Gingrich mod>It's made by a Clinton fanboylol?
>>2354284There is confirmed proof that Astro was on telegram sending CP.
>>2354745post proof or your a pussy
>>2354760There's a dog, I need to find it
Are there mods that came out recently that you enjoy?
>>2354699Being a self professed Clinton fanboy in a post Epstein world is wild.
>>2354779No this game is fucking terrible and only liberals make mods for it>>2353252You’re as big a fag as mango and the TCTNO clique if you have dirt and won’t release it just so you can save it as blackmail
>>2354990It's just the same kind of things anyone can surmise if they understand that radlibs are pedophiles in an ideological sense. Epstein being a Labour Zionist - Obummer and (especially) Routevenus associated with an open pedophile for years - I would know since I knew them for years before realizing they were creatively bankrupt golems - and everyone else on the team obviously has no actual, real problems associating with and endorsing pedophiles (lurker). Extrapolate from that and you will have more than enough just cause to dislike them all without the pomp and fare of a google doc. it's no surprise to me that Newsom Antifa Anarcho-Imperialism is concentric with the proliferation of fetish pornography to children & adolescents, since pornography is the ultimate Fascist propaganda, and TCTNO is just abstracted fetish porn for history buffs to jerk off to, a kind of device for ideologically grooming dumb american teenagers. Epstein had his own island, but every discord server is it's own little Epstein Island, playing out in miniature. It's just not something we cared much for saying aloud because we've removed ourselves from everything such that we cannot provide concrete 'evidence,' and it seems useless to turn it into another petty anti-social 'internet drama thing.' Needless to say we greatly dislike these people for pinning the blame of their predation upon us.
>>2353271>You don't get it! If this specific candidate won AND followed my ideology we would have a Democrat one-party state and we could kill any Republican on sight!!Barring that the good ending of TTNW is the one where you don't become Democrat Nixon, this is like saying W. is a Pro-Bush mod.
>>2355510>the good ending of TTNW is the one where you don't become Democrat NixonThe good ending (“Accomplishment”) can be gotten if you take over the FBI
>>2355514Nevermind that, it can still be gotten if you assassinate Wallace lol.
>>2355510Accomplishment can be achieved only if you follow the idea of Welfare the devs have, not RFK's. It just makes them look silly when they complain about "Your legacy will be used to push ideas that weren't yours" when they do the same with him and try to pretend it's good.
>>2355510
>>2355541It can also still be gotten if Bobby sends the army into Harlem>>2355545Well obviously yeah but I was speaking in the context of that anon saying you couldn’t get the ending if Bobby goes Nixon mode, which is false
Astro having a melty lmaooo
>>2355652On discord?
>>2355658He got caught deleting an obscene amount of posts in a Reddit thread about the false accusations against Hope, including from the people falsely accused of being victims https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1rkrqls/what/
>>2355664So funny that the reddit has only moderator and it's a powertripping one.
https://thewikitrail.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/132.170.55.255So who do you think did this?
definitely someone who was on the hope team who's pressed ahahahah
>>2355800Think it’s a falseflag tbqh. For that to happen just as the hope team’s side of the story was gaining momentum seems a bit too convenient for their enemies
>>2355664People should ask Astro why he associates with/hasn’t taken action to ban that nonce Lurker until he finally addresses it, feel like a guy who is irl a rising member of the PA Dems in Philadelphia having tangible connections with a pred and lets them interact with a community of predominately teens is warrant for concern, don’t you think? I say this here because if it was the subreddit Astro would remove this
>>2356009A man spineless and opportunist enough to continually endanger children that look up to him in order to retain internet clout and not suffer embarrassment... is involved with local American politics? Wow. People always look for the bombastic evidence, but this is mostly what the real predators do, in real life, and most get away with it. Seeing it happen and then turning to cough because it would be a light inconvenience to have to deal with it. Closing your eyes and shaking hands. An entire country full of people trying not to think about the naked kids in the basement. If they're ever forced to do anything about it, they'll just quietly kick Lurker out and shrug and say they all had no idea, and the wheels will keep turning for the hirelings who aren't so loud about it.
This is the Hope lead, Agreeable, remember the name cause you’re going to be hearing a lot from me from now on. I’m setting the record straight here not setting the record gay like W team (L team), I’m happy to reach across the aisle and accept the 4chan side of the community to my crusade, I had beef cause you leaked my mod months back and said it was garbage but now I can see you are finally coming around, heh, expected. muh mod team has been pilloried by Mangolith and Astronomical others like obummer neo and who have you etc etc can hear my roar of freedom: NIGGER mod elite days oof oppressing MY MOD MY WORK MY REPUTATION are OVERrrrrr and slandering me as some kind a doxxer, heh, I may be an incel chud with a quarter inch (and that’s when aroused ladies ) snake dangling between my legs, but I am no doxxer. And if Astronomical or should I say, heh, Franklin. Kingfish. (and may I say your female band member is looking as chopped as our valued team member tRonnie ROFL http://kinetosis.net/franklin/) says I am then, heh…….maybe I should be.Ban me if you like, my influence has already spread far and wide too much for you to shut down now or try and FAIL to; I am the Reddit lord. My Hope presidents list get reposted for days. son. I am their new king, their new champion.and u ain’t seen nothing yet imma bout to go demon time on you racist ass niggers (I’m black so I can say nigger before you homofagalicious gonna get the mug racism alongside tranny to the false accusations list, nigger). Mangotits, you’re next, prayerss mofucka, you’ll wish you joined Hope team when you had the chance. I offered you friendship and you spat in my face *green goblin kick*. You’re rue the day you slandered me. Project 2024 is hereby canceled, finito, hasta la vista baby, prepare for Hope 2(000), coming soon WITH PLAYABLE REFORMMMMMM. Beat that as best mod announcement in a 4chan thread slavs ( dm on discord if you’ll interested in joining the Rebel Allaincr)
>>2356482Small if true.
>>2356482*starts raping you*
>>2356482Sir, this is a Burger King
>>2356482>the Hope lead posting on 4chanhahahahahahahaha, oh how the mighty have fallen
>>2356482>Project 2024 killed + playable Reformthis has to be bait, no one in this mod space would do something that based
>>2356482Eh, I'd say the Slavs had a more impressive announcement.They're releasing a whole new game engine.
What an absolutely downright weird thing to write about a real person. This trend of mods needs to fucking eat dirt already oh my god
>>2356736I don't mind this type of writing because in rpf the people inside already become fictional dolls. It just has to fit the person you're writing about, because Gingrich sure as hell doesn't seem like the type to kill himself.
>>2356744The reason it doesn’t work is because the mod can’t maintain a solid take on who Newt Gingrich is as a person, the dude famous for (among the left, anyway) being the guy who came in, burnt the place down, and left to make profit elsewhere. Gingrich wouldn’t give a fuck about losing or at least even in the mod’s distorted view of being a, I’m guessing, OTT left wing take on him, if it was accurate it’d have him not giving a fuck and thinking how he’ll con his followers next. His characterization should be a craven huckster, not a bullshitter who is for some reason seemingly overly sentimental about himself, which doesn’t come together by the end.I don’t mind this type of writing as long as it is consistent with itself and the characterization is tangible enough you can identify how they would react regardless if you win or lose (Bush only cares what his dad is thinking because he’s too insecure in W, Obama doesn’t take accountability no matter the outcome because he’s too egotistical in Obamanation, Trump is overly concerned with how enamored he is and nothing else in American Carnage, RFK is a fag and cries about not being good enough in TTNW or something…I didn’t like that mod but it’s still mostly consistent with itself, at least)
Hey all. Former Hope team member here. Ask me anything.
>>2356809Boxers or briefs?
>>2356809Are you happy with how the mod turned out. I think it’s slop desu tho not the worst thing ever, and definitely don’t support what Astro is doing to your former team, also what is your take on that
>>2356623are you fucking retarded
>>2356900That’s actually the Hope lead, he and other members of the team wrote it in a private discord as a dumb troll as payback for it getting leaked months back, they’re all black gay and or trans so they’re giving each other slur passes
>>2356810Boxer briefs.
>>2356812Honestly, yeah. It's fine. Probably a 7/10 on a good day. Nothing earth shattering but the community was in need of a good Clinton mod since the 1992 mod is genuine 1988 slop and the 1996 mod is almost as wordy as OR. To be honest, I was in that group chat and most of that is entirely locker room talk. I'm almost 100 percent certain that Astro/Mango/whoever the fuck you want to say has group chats similar to that. It's sad since 80 percent of the people in there were banned from the Reddit/Discords for what is akin to shittalking.
>>2356809stfu steamedhams go dramafarm somewhere else
>>2356969surprise surprise, but I'm not steamedhams (or naboonimrod whatever the fuck his new name is), super trashy thing of him to do. guy doxxed himself then got mad at people for knowing his name????? (idiot edited a google doc we had for an upcoming mod UNDER HIS OWN NAME)
>>2356809where did you guys get the info about Pat Choate cheating on his wife?
>>2356809You thinking of putting the mod onto open campaign trail?
Do you guys think Project 2024 is taking so long to come out because it was initially made with the idea that Harris was going to win in 2024?
>>2357081To be entirely honest, no. I don't think poking Astro and the rest of those bears any more will do the team any favors
>>2357060Our team's research methods are...mediocre to say the least. We probably pulled up a Google search or two and called it a day
>>2357103Wasn’t this outright stated to be the case?
>>2357149Really?
>>2357166I might be thinking of Divided States. One or the other definitely outright said it
>>2357119You’re a pussy and that goes for your team too. He already banned you and you’re still worried about appeasing him, grow a dick.
>>2357239look at it from a practical POV. if we instigate him, even a little bit, our mod (and all of our work) gets thrown in the garbage. if you think I should, spend a year making a mod and then come back to us
>>2357268You know they will never like you again, right?
>>2357269this, might as well exile yourselves to OCTaiwan
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1rmwvl1/a_statement_from_the_hope_team/This is retarded. Nobody cares about Dan Quayle being added as a new opponent. the Hope dev lead Agreeable or whatever his name, gets harassed for being a tad too edgy unfairly by Astro and other people looking for a reason to ban him, and he’s just lying down and accepting the Reek treatment letting some chucklefucks mess with his mod while he watches like a cuck, in the fucking server, where he is literally banned from voicing his opinion on what they do or Astro and co won’t let the mod be updated. Unironically one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen. And yet somehow just leaving and putting your mod on a different website is a bridge too far, man you people are brainwashed, too far gone. Gg y’all hope keeping your play count was worth your dignity
>>2357279reading this feels like the original dev was always a stone’s throw away from being stabbed in the back and scapegoated at any moment and just never woke up to it. the OP for that Reddit post reads as sociopathic with lusting after glory and accolades because he plans to release some shitty bloat to the mod this dev we’re told to think is irredeemably evil originally created, and if he fails he’ll just pass the buck back to the original creator most likely, and carry on to find the next thing to parasitically leach onto. wow
>>2357279>Agreeable watching clout hungry autists rape his mod in front of him as he’s gagged and forbidden from interveningWho is Ramsay in this scenario Astro or Mango, I’m going to say Mango cause it’s funnier
I am the guy that vandalized the wiki. There will be wiki vandalism coming soon in 3 hours from now.
Former hope guy (haven't spoken here before) please do not vandalize the wiki because that does more harm than good. Even if you disagree, vandalizing the wiki with horrible stuff accomplishes nothing, we've all given up since we knew nothing would happen. Please don't do more harm to TCT!!!!! We don't endorse it at all and it's really bad since we get blamed for it.
>>2357601Yeah sure man whatever you say*strokes thick pulsating 6 inch cock*
>>2357581i will be waiting
>>2357581NOT THE HECKIN WULSOME WIKIRINO NOOOOOO>>2357601Shut up pussy get back in your cuck chair and watch them rape your mod
>>2357700Based.
>>2357700Redpilled.
Leaks are circulating about Final Cut rn tho no pics, it’s just Reagan has dementia the mod. Half of the mod’s gimmick is Reagan experiencing hallucinations and schizophrenia (rips off and retreads Big Deal Biden a lot), Joe Biden is an opponent and Reagan hallucinates Joe Biden from 2024 on the debate stage, certain answer choices lead to Reagan nuking Russia out of nowhere, Jesse Jackson is an opponent and the mod guilts you for beating him because you’re an evil racist and defeated a wholesome black man. It’s alternate history and the point of divergence is he doesn’t get an assassination attempt. I don’t think Thatchmaster wrote it but it was mainly campaigntrailaccount so it’s severely worse compared to AC and ATW narratively. Don’t think anyone was really expecting different desu.
>>2357801edgy absurdist cynicism in a mod about a democrat>badedgy absurdist cynicism in a mod about a republican>goodsounds like business as usual. im sure reddit will love it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/opentct/comments/1ro33xg/the_hope_situation_has_forced_my_hand_astroverse/thoughts?
>>2357801But Reagan's dementia got worse in like, 1987 when he fell off a horse. Why would not being shot lead to his dementia getting worse EARLY?!
>>2357801I already figured with the people behind it (no way qpq and mango don’t have their fingers in this pie, the only tct mods allowed to exist these days involve them or Astro) that Reagan mod was going to be the most circlejerky lowest common denominator shit ever so none of this is in the least bit surprising
>>2357834He rode more horses.
>>2357801>Reagan hallucinates Joe Biden from 2024 on the debate stageShouldn’t he be confusing Biden with someone else he knew earlier in his life, instead of that? Doesn’t make much sense for that to happen
>>2357809>edgy absurdist cynicism in a mod about a democrat>>badBobby Kennedy, among other things, can get set on fire in TTNW and they clapped like seals for it
>>2357982He's still considered as the better man compared to all of his Repubblican opponents. Even guys like Lindsay get treated as if they were utterly incompent buffoons because they're Republican and not Democrat.
>>2358001That’s not what the post was saying though
>>2357982That’s only when Bobby Kennedy isn’t progressive enough/uses the government to kill his political enemies, which is what the mod wants you to do. Any Democrat that isn’t left/authoritarian enough by their standard is fair game (which is why Joe Biden will be a piñata in Project 2024).
>>2357834He was shot with the bullet that slows down dementia.
>>2357801CTA's last big work was the Nixon mod where he kills himself if you win every state, so it's not very surprising that it's turning out like this.
>>2357826I like how North Dakota is something like 15 points more for Nixon than South Dakota. Out of all the choices you could've made for music, using nightcore is... certainly one of them.Hard to give any feedback when the mod is so incomplete desu.
>>2358155between cta and obummer they are easily the worst and least talented of the modding clique, not even the Reddit likes what they make and they eat any old shit up (see Hope)>Regime Change>>cataclysmic flop>Pete>>nothingburger that made obummer chimp out cause no one liked it>MTE>>made a two year old mod worse in almost every way that came and left like a wet fartit’s just sad Thatchmaster is squandering his goodwill to help cta make another libflop of a mod
>>2358101>that’s only when Bobby uses the government to kill his political enemiesThey explicitly do allow Bobby to get “Accomplishment” if he goes Nixon mode and takes over the FBI. Not only that but he can also get “Accomplishment” if he sends the army into Harlem and Chicago, with FBI agents killing Black Panther Party leaders in a shootout. The only things he’s not allowed to do are pass a crime bill and pass either Moynihan’s welfare or poverty tour + community development corporations instead of Jesse Unruh’s plan
>>2357834people claim Reagan had dementia by 84 although the evidence is pretty scant, the no attempted assassination POD erases Reagan’s second honeymoon (but by 82 his approval already cratered and he got shellacked in the midterms even with it, so I don’t know why they’d bother doing that, surely his support for the Brady Bill/turn toward gun control warrants a mention in a mod about his presidency? although that might be something the modmakers actually agree with and they just want to get rid of any common ground they might have with him)
>more new mods where every question and answer is a fucking novelBrevity is a lost art
There are many things you can say about Icarus, but I have to give the creators credit for making a mod that was 1. completely different from the basic-ass scenarios everyone begs for, 2. was made *entirely* without the help or influence of the Mango/Astro clique (and with the creators remaining out of that clique) 3. having actual good CYOA, graphics, etc and 4. not beating you over the head with some dumb message
>>2358410Did we play the same mod? That was awful.
>>2358410>1. completely different from the basic-ass scenarios everyone begs forIt’s a post-80s incumbency cyoa where you’re a Democrat president that’s as basic as you can get>2. was made *entirely* without the help or influence of the Mango/Astro clique (and with the creators remaining out of that clique)No it was made by the deepstate clique who suck off Mango/Astro and the shit they pull all the time>3. having actual good CYOA, graphics, etcThe trend towards prioritizing presentation can’t mask how it plays the exact same as every other mod, the cyoa is hardly revolutionary it was far more impressive in ATW or even TTNW>4. not beating you over the head with some dumb messageHow is “democrats should’ve just been far left and given nato a handjob” mixed with gay mythology allegories every sentence not a dumb message that gets beaten into you?
>>2358455>No it was made by the deepstate clique who suck off Mango/Astro and the shit they pull all the timeNot that anon, but wasn’t it the Nelson Rockefeller fanboy? Quite the fall for him to be riding their dicks when the community’s shift to “Rocky BAD” came at their behest. Not to mention that MTE ending where they make him senile in 1973
Leaking the big mods in imfake's absence get it before they shut down the thread:>FINAL CUT: CANCELLED FOR MONTHS because Thatchmaster joined Mango/Astro dev server and namesearched after it was announced and saw how jealous they were of AC's success. Only hope it has for releasing is cutting 1/2 the opponents>PROJECT 2024: TRUMP SIDE CUT because Thatchmaster was supposed to write/design the Trump side but left after Mango kept rewriting to make it more "MEAN". Has ending where Biden kills himself after winning a trifecta. Kamala implied lesbian>PROJECT TIK TOK RIZZ PARTY: FETTERMAN 2024 mod critical of, guess what, ISRAEL!>SUNDANCE 2008: ON ICE because NEO wants Romney to be the canon winner but ASTRO/MANGO won't let it be added to the loader unless its significantly rewritten>ROMNEY UPDATES: REPLACING originals on loader, 72 to be removed outright because new 68 canon is ROMNEY LOSINGcommunity going to shit. im going to keep leaking until everyones unbanned and these people quit
>>2358767Do you have proof or screenshots of this?
>>2358767Low quality bait, why waste your time?
>>2357269who cares if they like us? what matters is that our work isn't made in vain.
>>2358791your work is Hope it’s already been in vain, will you Hopeniggers fuck off out this thread already. if Tom and Agreeable taught anybody anything it’s not to trust and invite trannies into your team, notice how Mango doesn’t work with any but the ones who do all get thrown under the bus by them eventually?
>>2358791Who is the Hope dev fag that keeps spamming here. I’m guessing StingrAeds/metheguy still seething he got kicked off Obamanation a year ago and does nothing but talk about it since.>>2358585I remember when that guy would larp in the subreddit and did the Kev schtick with Rockefeller instead of Ted Kennedy.
>>2355007You sound like a schizophrenic.
>>2358849It’s probably Viva he sperged when Hope got leaked here a few months back on the discord>>2358854No, he’s actually spot on, also he’s making the only upcoming mod from this game I’m still looking forward to
>>2358856>Porn is fascist propaganda>TCTNO is fetish pornI don't even agree with the hatejerk against Lurker, look at what he actually posted and it sounds reasonable to me.
>>2358858What did he actually post?
>>2358863Questioned whether age of consent laws make sense in cases like a 16 year old dating a 21 year old. He's obviously autistic, but he's right.
Sneak peak of a mod I'm making.
>>2358865looks kino
>>2358858Problem is more what Lurker said was worse than what the Razi-whatever-the-fuck-you-spell-it mod team was being accused of (correct me if I’m wrong, even if it got retracted, but wasn’t the age gap like 2 or 3 years in their case?), yet one gets to stay in the club and the other is banished without trial. So people become way more kneejerk and rightfully pissed about small things than they normally would because Astro and Mango will take anything out of context (see how much they used obvious sarcastic quips as “evidence” in their Hope team google doc) or use the most arbitrary shit as reason to incite hate mobs on their enemies. So in the mod team’s case they have every right to call Lurker a pedo when they got called that for much less/shit they didn’t even do apparently.
I think if Mango and his team spat on the subreddit the reddito would thank them.
>>2358770do codes work? how far do you think they'll go to stop these both from dropping ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ending included for proof
>>2359430This is the most generic endslide you couldve picked, you can easily make this in a minute, if you have something that actually proves do it. Dont half ass it. Give something to prove yippie that hasnt been said in /tno/ too
>>2358896>wasn’t the age gap like 2 or 3 years in their case?might have been even less, but the cherry on top is those logs weren't even that sexual, just creepy and giga-autistic. iirc it was all shit like "heh, i wish u were my pet id never let u go" in between vegan-core musings about wanting predator animal genocide. goes to show there was a desire to get them disappeared from the launcher by any means. just not sure if it was jelousy, or them not conforming to american liberalism
>>2358849Metheguy is Muslim. I'm fairly certain they don't let them on 4chan during Ramadan. IIRC it's one of:SeekerbladeRonnieRockefellerEpicismanAgreeable from most to least likely. Unless you're talking about me. In which case, fuck you.
>>2358836> Stockdale and Kaiserinumm
>>2359430You said if Biden wins a trifecta they make him kill himself like Nixon in MTE. Post that one
>>2359480Who the fuck is Rockefeller? I've never seen that guy mentioned with Hope until recently. No idea what he's actually done.
>>2359482RouteVenus too. Almost their entire crew are faggot theater kids or insufferable trannies
>>2358896NTA but the age gap wasn't a problem for me, they were also accused of emotional abuse and running over someone's boundaries though. As well as fascist-adjacent politics, which casually using terms like "golems" here seems like confirmation of.
>>2359498>aka laikaLol I forgot about that bitch
This """community""" is mentally ill, even worse than goy$ modding lol
It’s really something how if the mod team had just banned Mango from the Discord for one of the many clear rule violations he committed (and multiple mods have explicitly said that he deserved a permanent ban), 90% of the community’s drama could have been avoided. By creating such a clear double standard, they set the stage for an actual modding elite to form (it used to just be a thing people memed about), and naturally, people got pissed at the unequal treatment and lashed out. If the retarded mods had just had some balls, all of the after effects would’ve never happened.
>>2359584It's not gonna be over even if Project 2024 ever releases. Quid and Ettigermentum will keep on making the same mods with the exact same messages.
>>2359588neither of those guys can code and I don't think Ettingermentum has made anything since OPNU
>>2359594Wait, they only have Mango as a coder? Lmao.
>>2359430Just post the codes if you think anyone cares.
It feels like this could just as easily be about Newsom or Crockett or any of the other interchangeable resist libs constantly moving in and out of the news cycle.The whole appeal of a scenario about AOC is that she's not like this.
>>2359896Holy shit could the writing be any less biased?
>>2359430> TNO YIPPIE.zipLarpfag
For me this entire game being taken over by autistic teenagers was evident when they forced out the single most prolific and best mod writer because he expressed mainstream republican viewpoints on a private channel unrelated to the game in the first place
>>2360013I struggle to have any sympathy for Tom when he was the one who made it a personal crusade to exile the IW guy, using the complaints about the Dixiecrats to mask his own ego-driven motive. He started the decline. He took pride in driving that guy out the same way those who drove out Tom took pride in it. Had his own little discord server for private shit talking just like the clique. He had the same negative qualities as the current faggots running this community into the ground, just with a conservative coat of paint.
>>2359584Mango and QPQ get slap-in-the-wrist bans all the time, for doing shit that would get an average poster perma-banned without a second thought. It's deeply ironic, that despite all the posturing of Wholesome Liberalism/Left-Wing 'Intellectualism', TCT's development became just like a political party on itself, a corrupt party strong-armed with a political machine. As long you're buddy with the "bosses" or hell, are one of the bosses, all of your content will be elevated, all your behavior will be justified, everything will be fine. Remember the '24RC backlash, don't worry, the head of the community himself will step in and tell everyone that they are all actually missing the point based on things he made up.
>>2360023Thank you. He was the right-wing version of the W. team, only oldheads remember
Why the FUCK has there never been a Benjamin Butler follow-up mod focusing on a post-Butlerian America? Tbh I wouldn't be shocked 70% of current "community" wouldn't even know what I mean by this.
>>2360046They never even got around to making the McClellan side that they’d promised
Who is responsible for the good clique mods? W and TTNW stand firm, but the "made by W team" is too ambiguous. Year Zero was fucking trash, and it seems to be Quid's brainchild. So who writes the good stuff? I'd say Ettingermentum is the only one who seems competant, but that's just because he makes actually funny tweets and does decent political coverage, while Mango makes schizoposts about why Graham Platner is secretly Hitler and sounds like a dumb tween
>>2360046Once Astroverse '72 is finished, I may start work on this if there is community interest.
>>2360058Mango is a good coder. RouteVenus is actually a good writer, QPQ is good at characterization but his themes are always obvious or delusional cope
>>2360128What are some actually good themes/thesis's from mods?
>>2360133The 1864 Butler ending, the alt history American Revolution one by RouteVenus, Y of Korea
>>23601332024 Prohibition, earnestly one of the mods with the most to say about third parties despite its silly premise.
>>2360137shame the Perpetual Republic mod got cancelled, it sounded like it was gonna be really goodhttps://hunchonautilus.github.io/1864-novellas/p/1.html
>>2360137Same person, but Razistorija is thematically high quality too. One of the creators seems unhinged and that shows in the mod, but it's saying multiple important things about international relations and Eastern European politics.
Year Zero is very much not Quo’s brainchild, lol. That was almost entirely a Neo thing, which explains why the writing tries to sound like Quo buts ends up being shitty (seriously, name one single line or moment from Year Zero off the top of your head) and why you can tell that a lot of research was done but the analysis is dogshit. It also explains why the mod took fucking forever to come out despite there not being much writing to it. RouteVenus is the only wholly competent one on the W. team (Ettingermentum is close, but he’s lazy as fuck and isn’t really much of a team member).
>>2360058Wasn’t Year Zero the work of neo? I don’t think any of you guys know who neo is since he just sticks to only discord but he’s got his own gay server he runs that gossip/harass/shit on non-W team approved people/mods all the time in the vein of Tom and the other pos people this community produces that includes that equally two-faced troon Martha. Ask the right person and they’ll tell you neo is somehow one of the most influential people in the community despite never having made anything on his own or anything that’s been particularly good (he made Sundance and Year Zero, speaks for itself, but got in good with W team at some point and was responsible for a lot of the dogshit W Live update, the worst of the TTNW writing and the upcoming Project 2024 shit)
>>2360171Quo almost has the opposite issue. His writing is always high quality, he did most of TTNW and his 1936 mod was good, but half his research seems to be vibes. RouteVenus is unlikable, also has a lot of unhinged takes that come from seeing the Jacobins as the good guys and America as only redeemable when it follows their example. But she's easily their most high-quality writer, and usually sticks to big themes that make it harder to misrepresent people like Quo often does
>>2360058Basically, this is what W team is:The head honcho:>MangoTNO lead/killer. Has had the community by the balls since getting Tom axed (they knew of his background already, but, Tom’s animosity with the new W mod and Mango was a good enough reason for them), ever since has made it a goal of his to incite hate mobs on and exile modders he doesn’t approve of (includes Gardfeld, Tom, AccurateFeature, Raggy, Elyna, Razistorija team, Shockonomics, Agreeable, etc). King of shit mountain.Mango’s bitches (W team):>AstroCommunity manager. Hermann Göring to Mango’s Hitler. Fake nice guy, although the mask has come off lately and he’s become a lot more pompous and egotistical. Not an official W team member but has all the access whenever he wants.>QuidCompetent writer but he’s got thin skin and throws tantrums if you prod him too much. Writing skill is deteriorating.>RouteVenusStarted at TCT as a preteen and hasn’t matured much in the interim. Good writer/graphic designer.>EttingermentumArchetypal Jew that has his hand in every pot, but doesn’t do anything his own. Occasionally funny on X. Glorified ideas guy.>StockdaleCommunity mod, fake nice, is a leach of Mango and previously astrohunch. Shit writer.>obummerDeeply neurotic and surprisingly dumb. Makes trash that W team will defend to the death (Regime Change, Pete, MTE), and owes all his success to a mod he made coming up to three years ago that he’s incapable of following up on.>ThatchmasterA good writer and coder and not as bad as the other people listed, but some point after AC got lured in by Mango. Now a grunt who does what they tell him. Basically a willing bystander.>campaigntrailaccountShit writer. Responsible for bad ideas that only appeal to a subsection of X, brain behind the worst of MTE and soon Final Cut.>neoTalentless. Makes hyped up flops, but has failed upwards through cocksucking and ego stroking. Is a mini Mango with his own fiefdom and lieutenants.
Neo’s relative clout in the community is one of the most absolutely befuddling aspects of its existence. There are lots of people in the community who hold some sort of influence who are assholes/problematic, but you can figure out why that is. Mango is awful but makes popular stuff, RouteVenus is mean but talented, Quo is haughty but a good writer, Stockdale is one of the most toxic people there is but can be personable, Astro is a tool but hard to be nice… etc. Neo is:-Not a good writer-Not a productive writer -Not consistent -Not especially interesting -Not nice -Not obviously intelligent or well-read (he posts screenshots of books he reads, but his analysis of them is often surface-level) -Pretentious (one of the most starred messages in TCT history is him being called pretentious)-Has made the projects that he’s been involved with worse -Generally a weird, mercurial guy Despite all of this, he somehow has his own server which is very active, somehow worked his way into being part of the W. team, and somehow has been pushed as one of the supposed top minds of the community and a respectable type. Unless he’s a god of internal politicking (which isn’t something that outwardly would be apparent, but who knows?) his success is inexplicable.
>>2360178>shenigga please
>>2360158Razistorija just makes me depressed, especially with some of the endings like Lazaverich.
>>2359507ITT mental retardation https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/1bodsxx/is_this_ai_art/
>>2360213>I heard om twitter that it isSeems like an elaborate troll. She posts like someone who is either 8 or 88 years old and just learned to use the internet.
>>2360181>GardfeldI'll always be mad that the single best alt-history series this game ever had got cancelled because it was making the faggots that run the reddit jealous
>>2360181>owes all his success to a mod he made coming up to three years ago that he’s incapable of following up on.Obummer made a good mod? Which one was that?
>>2360453And now they trot that loser out whenever they need to show that their community has diverse political opinions.>>2360516Wasn't that Romney 72?
>>2360229>She
Wtf did the hope team even do
>>2360685They dared to hope
>>2360173Year Zero was originally a project by Neo entitled “Abyss ‘76”, in which Church’s running mate is George Wallace and his opponent is an Agnew whose scandals were never discovered. This was something he was working on going back three years, when he already had a well known reputation for not following through on his projects, such as a Henry Wallace mod and an actual Incumbent Biden ‘92 mod. So three years ago he claimed to have had everything wrapped up for Abyss, but then the release date came and went without a peep from him, and he ended up deleting his reddit account without providing an explanation there. Some time later he ingratiates himself to the clique and ends up getting a spot in the credits for TTNW, then the clique reworked Abyss into Year Zero. They ditched Wallace and Agnew, and pushed it over the finish line since Neo was incapable of doing anything without them
>>2360692But what did they actually do? I know they got banned and I saw the screenshots but what was actually bannable there? All of it kind of seemed pretty tame since it's a groupchat. Mango and those guys probably say worse stuff in theirs
>>2360700Dunno, discord trannies be powertripin or sumthin'
>>2360696So it goes from Frank Church making a deal with the Devil to Saint Church and Saint Jordan demolishing Ford and probably Reagan too in the sequel because FUCK REALISM when it doesn't appeal to my favorite liberal.
>>2360700as someone who was in that group chat, it's really just locker room talk. edgy and probably a bit much at times? sure. but most of the screenshots are either 1) sarcasm 2) aforementioned edginess3) genuine critiques on the community at large4) a teensy tiny bit horridnessbut yeah. nothing worse than what you'd might hear in a high school cafeteria
>>2360791which hope member are you exactly?
Old Cycle is out, first impressios?
>>2361228What?
>>2361214The mod just feels like general progwank slop, that has no real theme - besides the consistent, misanthropic wallowing about how everyone in America is evil all modern mods are obliged to follow. And as >>2361228 said less eloquently, the mod itself links to that tweet at some point, which wasn't very clever when W did something similar, and it isn't clever now.
>>2361250Is Hawley the only opponent? I thought it was CYOA.
Shockonomics was bitching to me that his bans from TCT and Deep State were bullshit, and I really didn’t believe him, so I went to go read what he actually said, and it’s not really anything that should be bannable? It’s mainly him arguing with people and then the mods dogpiling on him. I thought he was, like, calling people slurs or something based on how people were talking about him like this evil problematic guy beyond reprieve.
>>2361214I think it was well made and I had a fun time playing it.
>>2361214I hate when mod makers do the "every successful president has to be like Bobby Kennedy." I don't believe AOC would be so cynical after changing everything for an entire generation, but the American Thermidor ending she's bitter that people "only" got 30+ years of her vision. I guess that's the point with the samsara thing.
>>2361214Regardless of what's actually in the mod, any premise set in the near future is a complete fucking waste of time for everyone involved. How many people like playing 2016a? >>2361250>besides the consistent, misanthropic wallowing about how everyone in America is evil all modern mods are obliged to follow.You are not obliged to follow it at all. Every other Reddit post is "Why are there so many CYNICAL mods???"
>>2361214The Republican win ending is so hilarious. It basically becomes "The evil RethugliKKKans will bomb blue states" and the EU Is somehow lead by Demsocs and the USA somehow has a subpar military because they shot a few New Yorkers.
>>2361337>The AOC president for life ending still has everything go back to normal afterYou're not the winner, even in your own fantasy?
>>2361214Fun mod, crappy music. Tried to go full Furher, with the mixed results.
>>2361375No because AOC is not wholesome Demsoc anymore but an evil heckin fascist. At least they acknowledge FDR's wannabe dictator behavior, unlike half of the subreddit that wishes for a Democrat One party state.
>>2361214I thought it was shit, the correct option in the mod is always the progressive one.
>>2361425Yeah I get it but it's just funny that there's basically no way for Democrats to ever have long-term change but in the Republican victory endings they essentially win forever. It's just cynical and defeatist bullshit.
>>2361214It's pretentious, at least W. and TTNW are comprehensible (though I did a short playthrough so maybe I missed something), though buckbreaking Altman is pretty kino so I'll grant them that>>2361375How do you get the President for life ending?
>>2361465Don't want to spoil it but you have to get presidential authority to its maximum and then federalize elections in the South. You'll know you've got it when you don't get the "You don't have enough authority" notice near the end.
>>2361214The mods for this game just get worse and worse don’t they? Can you even call this a game anymore or is it just glorified political manifestos with scatterbrained allegories, metaphors and analogies shat all over the place to make it look smarter.
aoc is ungodly terrible and embarrassing. the fact that it isn't being uniformly mocked and rejected by the community says a lot about the sad & lost state of the community.
I don’t see the point in updating AC to add John Delaney and multiple other glup shittos nobody asked for seems like needless bloat for a mod that was fine as is.
>>2361602not adding dementia addled Mike Gravel locked in a basement like 2020 Biden while also being puppeteered by his college aged staff but opting for three boring ass niggas and orb lady is coward shit, bet it got suggested and Mango intervened because of his realism fetish
>>2361575It's being widely criticized right now at least.
>>2361575AOC isnt that bad but it has massive flaws, the point of the mod is that no matter how good of a run she has it wont matter because future presidents from both camps will undermine true worker power. you can avoid this by either being extremely succesful or becoming a latam leftist dictator. this dosent work for two reasons1) the idea itself is weird, Trump not being candidate dosent mean anything, most of MAGA is very happy with the likes of JD Vance. though you can have some supsension of disbelief to just you know, see a "possible" future even if very unlikely. this is a minor thing.2) the message is extremely hopeful, passing bills and doing things that realistically arent possible, but no matter what you do you will most likely fail. what is the point of alt history then? althistory where nothing chages is a very... boring kind of althistory, one that you dont really even want to explore.
If the shitty aoc mod was made by obummer we’d have had mango astro and quo barging into the subreddit to call us retarded for “not getting it” by now
The aoc mod is shit but these redditoids joining the bandwagon to hate on it are annoying af because they bring up counterpoints like Icarus and Hope as “good” examples to follow and just assuming everyone likes those mods, but they’re all trash. These redditors just want a mod to make them feel good and think that’s a good thing. You’re getting heated over which pile of shit stinks less.
Apparently the AOC mod is a Marxist written mod so it's actually criticizing AOC and reformists? Man, I prefer Razistorija critique of them with Horvat.
>>2361755seeing the guy who made that garbage Contract with America mod taking potshots at it on the sub right now is a joke, like fuck off your mod also sucked, it just dragged a conservative so the Reddit was suddenly okay with overwritten and pretentious cynicism all a sudden
>>2361755what the fuck is wrong with people thinking hope is good, i mean mechanically it's great no doubt, but for its content? junkie loving Bill Clinton just kills it
>>2361755The whole “grrr cynicism = bad thing” is such a stupid redditism. The problem with so called “cynical mods” isn’t that they’re cynical, its that they’re samey. They have the same theme with barely any variation: repubs bad and dems kinda bad but my favorite dems would actually save america if they did everything I want them to. It was trite by TTNW, but every (“cynical” or not) new hyped up mod does the same shit. Liberty and Liberalism, Icarus, OR, Hope, that shitty humphrey mod, etc. The only variation is the year the mod takes place and the particular dems it choses to fellate.Again, the problem isn’t the theme itself. I liked W, even if I thought the writing got pretty retarded at times, but when every mod ends up as a W clone one way or another the shared theme ends up becoming a parody of itself. The overwrought writing that W managed to do mostly well gets picked up by a bunch of highschoolers that have never read anything other than tct mods. They have nothing interesting to say, and no new ideas to offer. Modern TCT is an ouroboros, endlessly devouring itself and producing more of the same ad infinitum.
>>2361790Liberty and Liberalism pre-dates TTNW by a few years
Mod Makers don't even try to make the alt-history elections the focal point of their alt-history elections mods, they just look at you like this.
lol
>>2361892Liberty and Liberalism is cynical but it's different to the ones that came after because at it's heart, it's about John Kerry vs Ron Paul. Old Cycle is not about AOC vs GOP, it’s how capitalism is inherently bad so even if you make it better, it will still be bad. The mod is just a vessel for this message and if you just wrote an essay nothing would be lost. If you tried to write an essay on Liberty and Liberalism what would you say? Make sure your running mate isn’t cheating on his wife? These mods are built on a election scenarios website and the election scenarios literally do not matter.
>>2361892Liberty and liberalism is spposed to be trash but i really like it despite that
How do you not get it?
>>2361985The ending where she becomes the next FDR and assumes dictatorial powers is the only one where she makes any kind of lasting legacy.
>>2361957>Capitalism is bad so even if you make it better it will still be bad>AOC winning ushers in decades of prosperity and opportunity for all until they make the "wrong" decision again>The entire samsara thing implies another AOC will happen again anywayI don't know what an anti electoralist Marxist would expect to be different in a socialist state. The "wheel" they discuss only can have the brake applied against it for so long. It's just how humans are. Why not try to improve the condition no matter what may happen later?
>>2361986In the non dictator ending she has decades of progress and helping people but they're too stupid to be thankful for it. That's still a legacy. A legacy of better times. And even when she's dictator after she's gone things still change after her. There is no end to the wheel turning. It is inevitable.
For me, it's the "good" ending of Wood 2024.
>>2361944It's easy, it's called W.
>>2361957>Liberty and Liberalism is cynical but it's different to the ones that came afterToo often I think a distinction is not made between situational cynicism and character cynicism. L&L and ATW are cynical experiences because of real world external factors. Kerry is trapped in a shitty economy, Lyndon is trapped in an unwinnable war. They’re victims of circumstance. W. is cynical because Mango saw Jon Stewart and Daily Kos make “HW is a disappointed dad” jokes and thought they were being literal for some reason. TTNW is cynical because they hate the fact that RFK was against work-free welfare in real life and want to make him feel like shit if he doesn’t pass it
>>2361999Its nice
>>2362008It made me really think that you could never run even a plank of "Addiction is ruining our country" without some sort of nationalist "and THEY are bringing in the drugs that are killing us!" caveat. Never run a campaign on "You, the common American, need to put down the drug" but that may be what's needed.
>>2362006
>>2361985Don’t repost subreddit shit to here anon and the mod could be about literally anything but it doesn’t matter either way since it plays like shit, so it defeats its own purpose by virtue of that alone. We won’t be talking about the mod next week, probably won’t even remember it in a month. A fate it deserves.>>2361790Once you’ve played one TCT mod you’ve played them all. A case not helped by the fact that they’re made by the same collective group of people most of the time. I find the reverence TTNW has conjured mystifying, it was mediocre at best and utterly dull at worst, some of the transparently sloppy W clones released in its wake proved to be more enjoyable experiences than it, even, but if you ask me you’d rather be a W clone than a TTNW clone. If you’re going to crib something at least imitate a mod that isn’t overwrought and historically illiterate tosh.
>>2355007i havent laughed so hard in a while. i know exactly who is writing this and i just want to say i miss talking to you abt the mods i was working on and the dumb shit we would do in fan dubya (even if i never want to talk to 99% of those people ever again). please reach out to me, i dont know what youre active on anymore.
>>2362076>Fan dubyaWhat the hell is that.
>>2361987The point is to break the wheel. That is the ultimate teleological heart of communism. And that is also why communism will never be reconcilable with pure reason-based systems, as it demands faith. Faith that it can be better. That we can change the world. That there is no natural law dictating exploitation and hierarchy forever, and that with transformations in society and economy we can and will move on. Remember, if one could build the tower of Babel without climbing it, it would be permitted.
>>2362008we need more 3rd party mods
Hey everyone. I'm making a mod called "The 4th Turning". It's set in the 2030's to 40's and has you navigate the transition of what comes after the death of institutional liberalism. It's written from a postliberal point of view, and has you manage what kind of new America emerges. It's less of a campaign sim and more of a grand strategy game almost where you manage factions in the early, mid and late game. Thoughts?
>>2361988The non-dictator ending frames her as a useless Obama figure who doesn't accomplish much and neuters the left for a generation, which creates the next MAGA.>>2362003What are you talking about? Besides the Rubin shitpost centrists in W. want to drink Iraqi blood, the wholesome route is Paul Wellstone.
>>2362147Hard to say anything without knowing about who the factions and the key players might be per se.
>>2362147Depends on how (il)literate you are on US politics. Sounds like it could be good if done right, but runs a huge risk of ending up being equivalent to some shitty HoI4 mod with meme ideology civil wars that have no basis in reality.
>>2361250>the mod itself links to that tweet at some point, which wasn't very clever when W did something similar, and it isn't clever now.Never forget
>Play AOC>You don't get to reform the Age of ConsentDROPPED
>>2362193>>2362170Well, good to know there's at least some interest in this. The game starts out with two big factions, named "Liberal Institutionalism" against "the MAGA Imperium". But in 95% of cases, and unless you really actively try to stop it, the trust in the three institutions collapses, leading to the collapse of institutional liberalism, and shortly afterwards, the unravelling of the right from a lack of shared enemy. After that it's an ideological free for all between the Institutional Remnants, Progressive Critical Theorists, Low Church, High Church, Darwinists, Nihilists, Silicon Technocapital, and eventually Bio Technocapital. I don't really model left or right wing populism, as they're more based on tribalism and instinctive dislike of authority more than anything else. Best way I can describe it is TFR but in TCT.You don't play as any one faction, instead you play as the "National Zeitgeist", nudging the country along to get a desired outcome.
>>2362241Right. Forgot there are also the National Liberals, who are also a faction. The game has 40 control points which can be taken based on decisions you make. 20 for the people and 20 for the elite. To win you want to capture 80% of one and 40% of the other.
>>2362241>>2362245I kinda like it. I can tell you've put some thought into this, and at the very least the conflict you're describing is an underrepresented vision of the future.
>>2362257Swear to God I've "retired" from modding 3 different times but TCT keeps rage baiting me back in every time they release another dogsh-- mod. AOC was so bad it motivated me to make another mod. I'm one of the main mod makers on OTCT.
>>2362263Spite is one hell of a drug. I'm counting on ya.
I need your true and honest feedback guys
Seems like AOC triggered something deep in the psyche of the average CTS redditor. I haven't seen them this feral about a mod. A real cavalcade of midwitts trying to invent reasons why *exactly* its bad and basically killed their dog. Part of me says its their own ideological auto-immune Thermidorian reaction against a direct challange to what they believe in.
>>2362303Some of their criticism is valid though.
>>2362303> their own ideological auto-immune Thermidorian reaction against a direct challange to what they believe in.The mod is just shit, anon.
>>2362263Galen pls.
AOC at least manges to be somewhat memorable. It will float around as "that weird ultraleft statement-pretending-to-be-a-mod that everyone hated" in memory. Same can't be said by basically every other fillerslop mod like...>Regime Change>Year Zero>Buttigieg>Sunset>Biden 2008>That HHH thing>MoonbeamAnd dozens of mods I already forgot the names of after a single playthrough.
>>2362342Not Galen. I'm the guy behind the CoD mods and helped Naimina with pretty much all of his mods. So Swan Song and 21028 too.
>>2362303Shut up commie
>>2362352AOC is Ultraleft? I thought Razistorija was the Ultra Left mod.
>>2362352Nah lol. It’ll end up just like regime change where its a big drama until everyone forgets about it in like a week. At best it’ll end up like Obamanation, where it’ll get quietly rehabilitated in like 6 months to a year because redditors are too stupid to remember why they hated it.
>>2362365AOC is leninist for sure, dont know exactly what razistorija is
>>2362291I'm tired of 70's mods
Let's all pretend we're the clique coming up with new mod ideas:>Muskie incumbency sim where you get yelled at and electorally evicerated by Reagan>Wellstone incumbency sim where you keep failing to pull out of Shrubs wars>Klobuchar 2024 campaign where you are beaten over the head by the message of you being a fake Berniecrat with victory end slides making you look like Biden>Jerry Brown, Clique Edition - a watered down Moonbeam>Gore incumbency sim where nothing ever happens
>>2362514The clique could never make a Gore mod because it would be a circlejerk. Half of them genuinely believes that Bush stole the 2000 election.
>>2362518i still dont understand, like, none of what happened makes sense. >the ballots were made by a democrat>different sources say different things about who was winning the recount>Bush very clearly wanted the recount not to happen even though he was apperently winning it truly retardo times
>>2362356But you and Namina are the same person.
>>2362241You need to stop doing mods that take place further out than four years from now. Stick to the past or today, but nobody wants to play a mod about your OC characters and your made up political philosophies.
>>2362580Not a history guy. I enjoy writing about the future.
>>2362601I like fantasy scenarios personally, there's nothing wrong with them.
>>2362147sounds retarded
I’m like the one person who thinks that Moonbeam, though flawed, was actually really great in a lot of ways. What would a watered-down Moonbeam look like?
>>2353289It's not "an open secret". Literally half of the people in TCT have a vendetta against Lurker and have actively tried to drag his name through the mud. Also, I'm pretty sure all he actually said regarding the age of consent was that it's stupid to treat relationships between eg. a 13 and 15 year old or a 17 and 19 year old as being "rape" or "grooming" just because there is an age gap. If you're going to insult someone, insult someone other than Lurker, he's actually one of the coolest guys in the community and doesn't deserve it.
>>2362691his foreign policy views are self-righteous liberal killeveryoneism, but this controversy and the rape one are nonsense. people are being willfully deceptive about what he said
>>2362701hmm…..
>>2362691Hope he sees this bro
You can get Lurker’s dick out of your mouth lmao. First, even if you wave away all the pedo stuff as a misunderstanding/him being a debate bro/excusable/etc (he also defended a 30 year old sleeping with a 17 year old), the insane stuff he said about Indian removal in the U.S./cultural genocide, actual victim blaming in a rape discussion, and openly going full Slobodan Milosevic on ethnic cleansing of Russians in Latvia should all disqualify him from polite conversation regardless. The people who have met him IRL (Zim, even Astro for example) have all disowned them and said they wouldn’t do it again because he’s a loon. He’s not one of the coolest people in the community.
>>2362831I fully support the genocide of Indians so why should I give a shit?
>>2362831>he also defended a 30 year old sleeping with a 17 year oldOh wow, that's terrible. Truly repulsive. Disgusting. Horrible.
>>2362831> (he also defended a 30 year old sleeping with a 17 year old), the insane stuff he said about Indian removal in the U.S./cultural genocide, actual victim blaming in a rape discussion, and openly going full Slobodan Milosevic on ethnic cleansing of Russians in Latvia should all disqualify him from polite conversation regardlessHOLY FUCKING BASED
>>2362147Stop being a teenager
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1rvib2w/on_conspircism/>another attempt at damage control by a Mango stooge has hit the subredditfrankly I don’t know why the google doc that contained sarcastic quips and edgy jokes as it’s supposed evidence wasn’t hailed as a smoking gun that gave a pass for mass banning, just have no idea, must be everyone else’s fault. daddy astro please save us from the wrongthink.
>>2363226I still can't believe Astro does it for free.
>>2363226That cunt’s comment history is a good laugh
>>2363226It kind of ignores how the document (which as far as I've been told by anyone involved has only been in staff hands) was like leaked through all the TCT discord servers. What the fuck do you mean there isn't shit going on, who else would leak it if not for a high up staff member?
>>2362831cool to see the Moonbeam dev is still doing this smear campaign. he said women should think about what they wear and how they present themselves, strikes me as reasonable. i also have no problem with a 30 year old sleeping with an emotionally mature 17 year old. he denied Indian removal was genocide which is defined as calculated extermination, he did not endorse removal.i don't know what he said about Russians in Latvia, his opinions on foreign policy are genuinely mass murder for democracy so i expect it was actually bad.
Oh my god just shut the fuck up with this purple prose, jesus fucking Christ. This is genuinely one of the worst written mods I've played
2025NL just dropped
>>2364088I missed my comfy dutch kino. Playing as JA21 is actually really fun, if you play your cards right you can end up in a scenario where the VVD, PVV, and GL/PvdA all simultaneously crater in the polls which is hilarious.
>>2363597>30 year old sleeping with an emotionally mature 17 year oldinsane how the scamdemic just drove all you third worlders and downwardly mobile first worlders with zero morals or even any ability to act within civilisation online and now we need to be in the vicinity of you and your bullshit 24/7
>>2363597Good chance this is Lurker considering he’s crawled out of his subterranean cave to post on the subreddit more often lately, the TCT pedophile apologist community will be cool with it and continue banning people for sarcasm while giving him a free pass though and not a damn word will be said against it. Fuck this game and fuck you. Burn in hell.
>>2364423kek, i'm a millennial TCT player and without giving specifics in the top 5% of Americans financially. that gap would be normal somewhat over 50 years ago, i don't believe age gaps are a problem at all with two postpubescent partners. my moral compass doesn't revolve around power dynamics.>>2364454more of the Moonbeam dev astroturfing his vendetta, and having a psychotic breakdown at the end. i think Lurker's foreign policy opinions are self-righteous and destructive, but in that he's an average liberal Redditor.
>>2364454the only thing the community cares about is if you’re mean to troons (where the ven diagram between them and pedos is a circle) otherwise they’re tolerate anything for their precious slop, just make sure it doesn’t make them feel bad or they’ll begin to cry
>>2364480Fuck off back to the discord Lurker, they fall more in your age bracket
>>2364412As always some funny shitpost endings achievable by cheating.
>>2364480>kek, NiggerGo be Poor and Dumb someplace I can't see you
>>2364480>i'm a millennial TCT player and without giving specifics in the top 5% of Americans financiallycommit seppuku asap
>>2364412Ja21 was my faovrite of the 2025 setOmgizt was the best from 2023 due to all his options (4.5 paths)Fortuyn is obviously the best from 2002, I just wish you could have a real option where you join the CDA even if it ends the game But what are the best paths from 2003 and 2017? IMO we should have gotten to play as the LPF in 2003 for fun
>>2364480either this is a larp or youre wasting your life on autism slop when you got enough money to be doing anything else. cant decide which is sadderand lurker IS a pedo, and astro protects pedos like lurker. we will not be forgetting this no matter how hard people like you want us to, you cant wash off the filth you roll in, truth will always set us free anon. peace and love brotha
>>2364727In 2017 my favorite is the VVD side because Mark Rutte is such a duplicitous bastard and you can play all kinds of moves that genuinely make you feel like an evil genius.
>>2364845i like political history and strategy games. i'm also sorry you're trying to out-left Astro, who has disowned Lurker, with a woke power dynamics-obsessed lynch mob. 17 year old girls are nearly always postpubescent. attack Astro for being a hack and turbolib married to a troon. attack Lurker for having killeveryoneist foreign policy views.
>>2364928based
pathetic samefag
third world janitor protecting low iq nigger pedo rights
>>2364928He also defended dating 16 year olds and, from what I’ve heard, even lower than that. Your insistence on defending him on this is weird if you’re not Lurker himself, and someone irl should keep tabs on you, and by what metric is not approving of perverts creeping on high school aged girls suddenly now a “leftist” tactic? I hope you’re not a conservative otherwise go fuck yourself, we don’t need people like you especially these days.You can critique Astro for picking and choosing who he arbitrarily enforces rules on, for being an average at best modder, and for dating a mentally ill man cosplaying as a woman all at the same time, same as you can criticize Lurker for dumb forpol views and having pedophilic tendencies. I know we’re on 4chin so I guess you feel you can unmask a bit with your equally weird age of consent opinion, but please unfuck yourself on this topic immediately Mr. “5% of Americans financially”.
>>2365031I am a reactionary. postpubescent teen girls, most 16 year olds and almost all 17, consummated marriages in traditional Western society. it was widespread in rural areas within your grandparents’ lifespan. the issue matters to me because feminist fixation on age gaps is a source of lowered relationship formation and fertility. notice all the “no dating plus/minus five years” social rules that were not there 15 years ago? and you are a leftist, Moonbeam dev. Lurker is one of the few somewhat intellectually honest TCT figures, you keep shilling your bad mod here.
>>2364480>>2364482Suspiciously timed posts. >>2365045I truly don't know what is more pathetic - if you actually are lurker and feel the need to defend yourself on a basketweaving forum, or if you truly feel the need to run a defence force for a literalwho dev that didn't make anything special just to spite other devs who didn't make anything special
>>2364727Of all the sides I helped make in 2003NL and 2017NL, I probably fw the SP or PvdA the most in 2003NL, and the VVD or PVV in 2017NL. Wilders is usually my favourite side in any mod he's in anyways because of how hilarious he is (pic related).
>>2365181what makes the SP and especially Pvda in 2003 good?
Has the Madam President dev killed themself yet, last I saw that retard was sperging out in the deepstate server where he’s the resident lolcow, doubt the situation’s changed much
>>2365205Did they ever say what the original lead dev was kicked out over?
>>2365211Was the original dev kicked out? Who were they? All I know is the current one is some OCD schizo that has weekly crash outs over nothing
>>2365205It’s a close contest between that, Sundance 2008, and the Dukakis cyoa on which mod I couldn’t give less of a fuck about ever coming out.
>>2365214>Was the original dev kicked out? It was confirmed 10 months ago, no reason was ever given on reddit at least beyond a vague mention of "dirty laundry".>Who were they?This person who basically said on three separate occasions "yeah that shit is never releasing without me"
>>2365230That mackarony guy is vile. He did nothing but bitch about Lurker and call him a pedo, talk shit on W team, and bandwagoned Hope when it came out and everyone loved it last year, but went turncoat as soon as the moment arrived where he got offered a mod position, and he’s the one to post about Hope team getting banned while Lurker walks free. A real hatchet man.The current Madam President guy would unironically off himself if he released it and it got shit on, which it will, so I don’t think we’ll ever see it since he’s too pussy.
>>2365045>I am a reactionaryNo, you are BrownYou are going to be MAiDed or surgically prevented from spawning any more 50 IQ Brownoids with cognitive disabilities and a plethora of personality disorders (including pedophilia) that run around city centres sexually harassing whites, or stay at home continuing to shit out more BrownoidsIf you are in the global south and not currently infesting a civilised country, you will most likely be dead in the next 10-20 years. Probably AIDs or climate change or perhaps another Favelaoid will shoot you in the skull for a few PesosUgly little dirty nigger, off my white website you go>picrel: you
>>2365031It's legal to date 16 year olds in practically every civilised country. Don't try and export your bullshit American age gap discourse to the rest of the world. It's purely the product of ultraliberalism in American universities.
>>2365604There’s a reason it’s still called jailbait even when they’re 16, even in places like the UK, it’s not just “Americanism” you fucking pedo. And if it is it’s for good reason because we’re BETTER THAN YOU SCUM, Europe falls while we’ll still cling on in spite of it all. Go ahead and succumb to barbarism child diddling cunt.
>Don't try and export your bullshit American age gap discourse to the rest of the worldTo where are you speaking of? Nigger Land? AIDS Country? Subhuman Retard World?Do me a favour and post your 23&me results next time you post, so we can laugh at how inbred you are and ban you for being part of Low Tier Humanity (LTH). Nobody wants to share an online videogames forum with some dirty little freakish brownoid who got his start raping his toddler aged relatives
Can we please stop trying to derail this thread with retarded shit and get on with it?What's ya'lls favourite pre-1800s mod? Gotta be 1498Florence for me.
>>2365197Being able to inherit the mantle of Fortuynism as a left-wing party makes for a really interesting dynamic imho
>>2366035>picking a favorite>when there are just 7(I think?) mods written about this time period, totallmaoSeriously I can't argue with that pick, 1498Florence is great although the St. Paul mod comes in a close second imo.
>>2366036desu I feel like the 2017 SP side is underrated. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the only year where you're able to form a hideously cursed far left/far right unity cabinet with the PVV?
>>2366045That and the Dark Melkert path in 2002NL allowing for PvdA - LPF
>>2366035All the pre 1800s mods are shit and forgettable as hell, sorry. There’s a reason the cyoa mods are the most popular despite getting the most hate, it’d be easy to export that kind of gameplay to this time period but you faggots would cry about it and demand more “Bryanesque” gameplay. Also the Dutch mods are mid, so mid the people that made it have to bot their playcount to look good lmao, nobody plays that shit for more then a day.
>>2366161>All the pre 1800s mods are shit and forgettable as hell, sorrybro your 4352 BCE?!?!
>moonbeam>year zero>contract with america>aocis this the worst year of modding for tct ever, anons? all we have to look forward to is glorified blot for american carnage, reagan bad wank the mod, and more W team purple prose in project 2024. I think it might be over…Razistorija save us…
>>2366184The Razistorija remake is not even gonna be on TCT itself, it's a whole other engine.
>>2366184>reagan bad wank the modSpeaking of, whatever happened to that Jane Fonda mod with obnoxious writing?
>>2366184Guy who made the CoD 2080 mod here (Check it out if you haven't already), working on something about the 4th Turning, feel free to ask for more details.
>>2366247What does the (nee Mexico) even mean.
>>2366375Probably some retarted shit about how California was Mexican before being stolen by evil AmeriKKKa
>>2366184well there is the Ross Perot 1992 one with some replayability, made by non Perot haterslets hope its good
https://imgur.com/XaYi3C1How does this look? WIP on 4th Turning
>>2366876Looks nice, what is it about.
>>2366952It's about the abstract ideological war for the succession to liberalism. Liberalism is dying, and this mod is about what succeeds it. You play as the National Zeitgeist and nudge various factions from (and the factions got changed recently) the Critical Progressives, Nationalist Liberals, Populists, Low Church Christians, High Church Christians, Silicon Valley, and Elitists/Darwinists.
>>2367001Both the left and the right collapse as coherent ideological coalitions in the process and it's really a scramble free for all until one ideology comes out on top, or the chaos becomes too all consuming and the military steps in.
Is this thread just redditors complaining anonymously? It's kind of embarrassing you guys don't do it on your own website desu
Are there mods that you guys are hype or at least dread for?
>>2367030>obvious reddit fag trying to use redditor as an insultHi mango
https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1s1vxd4/what_did_you_think_about_contract_with_america/Imagine tailoring what you make to braindead redditors, this nigga going to make it nowhere in life.
>>2367080>dogshit OTT mod ripping off a hundred others in style and presentation with pretentious flowery writing attacking a Republican (contract with America)Masterpiece. Great mod anon.>dogshit OTT mod ripping off a hundred others in style and presentation with pretentious flowery writing attacking a Democrat (AOC)5 billion Reddit essays proclaiming it the end of civilization as we know it.Different year different mods same shit
>>2367030Its funny that they come here because they’re a little too edgy for the main community but still try to moralfag in typical redditor fashion about retarded shit like muh mango “making” some bitch cut herself
>>2367119lol nobody brought that up this thread but clearly you’re still shaken up by it mango, poor little fella. go organize another witch hunt to make yourself feel better
>>2367030>Is this thread just redditors complaining anonymouslyTranslation: “I’m a tct janny upset this is the one place I’m impotent to police conversations, give me your Reddit usernames so I can ban you”Who else would seriously give a fuck?
New WIP of 4th Turning. Thoughts?
>>2367030I found TCT through 4chan.I've been here for a decade. Which does make me an election tourist, but what can you do.
I miss the Bryanverse, I really do.It had soul.
>>23670511948wrong seems like it will be kino, but for some reason, despite dozens of high quality teasers, its already mindwipped from the community. I dread it will get axed upon release for flying too close to the sun.
>>2367405Pure idealism mixed with dangerous lack of sociological analysis. A perfect riff on TFR for all the good and bad it entails.
>>2367207>lol nobody brought that up this threadAre you actually retarded lmao>>2353289>unless mango is doing more with underaged girls than just making them cut themselves>>2353982>the one mango got to cut herself
>>2367414NTA but same. I didn’t even know there was a tct subreddit or discord until the Tom drama happened.
>>2367561guys, nobody reference Mango being an abusive scumbag even once, his lawyer is in the thread and he’s watching like a hawk, repeat, nobody bring up how big of a piece of shit Mango is. Don’t worry bro I got you, it might have been only 2 times out of 453 messages sent but that’s 2 times too many, all praise our lord Mango.
>>2367676He's an ass, but it isn't his fault that "girl" is unstable.
>>2367676Keep shifting those goalposts bro. You will defeat big bad mango and his legion of supporters in this thread eventually.
>>2367676I can’t imagine obsessing over some discord faggot to this degree, especially one that calls himself “mango”. How are you not embarrassed to be alive at this point
>>2367739The girl involved is biologically female wdym
>>2367573I found out about the reddit because on a thread here, way back in the day, I saw one of the first mods and was like "wtf?" and I found out there was a list of them on the reddit.
TCT threads have just devolved into Reddit and Discord e-drama gossiping and it's really hard to keep up with all this nonsense from the outside looking in, I don't even how you people keep up to date with all this crap it seems like every other week there's another random dev spergout that everyone magically knows about and decides to cryptically talk about in here.
>>2367213He gives it away too easily by only sperging out here and not in the TNO thread down the hall
Has someone made a mod of the following?1.Play as the continental army that lost the war of independence.2. Power struggle for being the leader of Germany where the axis won WW2.3.Truman4.Constituation convention simulation.
>>2368299My sleep deprived ass took a minute to realize you weren't talking about all of these things happening in a single mod.
>>23682991. Kinda, theirs a mod where the first one fails but than there’s a second one a couple decades later. 2. No3. Theirs a upcoming incumb sim mod with him4. Yes
Really nuts to me that the TCT masters are so pressed about fucking 4chan that they feel the need to read it and try to post shit here. You already won and cemented the power of your shitty self-obsessed clique over the game. Congrats, it’s over and you got what you wanted. Just be happy about it. Mango and Astro and all of you can go back to getting fucked in the ass.
