TNO is having a mini civil war and everything is leaking again.>Why isn't everything here/updatedCatbox broke, re-upload later.https://www.youtube.com/@ThomasLands - Leaked build footage. Nearly finished and scrapped Italy, very unfinished Germany/US reworks and more.https://space.bilibili.com/385529615/upload/opus - BiliBili leak video repository.https://files.catbox.moe/pwkheh.png - Updated German rework flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png - Bormann TNO2 flowchart (never releasing).https://files.catbox.moe/9ja39g.png - Himmler starting tree, releasing never.https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December 24 roundtable notes. Germany never.https://files.catbox.moe/zo5zhk.pdf - Post-Antarctica 25 roundtable notes. Bleak.https://files.catbox.moe/3bwv2e.pdf - Japan rework proposal (fixed).https://files.catbox.moe/chzsvc.pdf - Japan Funada Design Doc.https://files.catbox.moe/beh76f.pdf - France proposal. Nearly 200 pages, fucked by DV.https://files.catbox.moe/omzl7q.png - France flowchart. Resistance is dead.https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden proposal. Dev has finally stopped posting here.https://files.catbox.moe/ycctp0.png - Sweden flowchart. We lost Pakt Sweden for this OTL-fest.https://files.catbox.moe/egf8m0.pdf - Charlemagne Insurrection proposal. Cut.https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: A dev is made to justify why his own proposal got cut.https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Three years in dev hell, still no release date.https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf - Red Italy proposal. Rest in peace, you were too good for this mod.https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th (?) space race mech rework mockup.
More leaks. Some of these may be broken. RIP rework #89 for the Lower Microstania skeleton.https://files.catbox.moe/dn6eha.png - UK re-rework chart.https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree.https://files.catbox.moe/xkpm9x.png - VP flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP Hawaii crisis.https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.https://files.catbox.moe/sl8afo.jpeg - VP Wallace tree.https://files.catbox.moe/r8c6i3.jpg - VP Goldwater tree.https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.https://files.catbox.moe/3v5h8h.pdf - Yorty Doc.https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP 2024 partial rework leak, Republicans weren't evil enough.https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP 2025 events leak.https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design.https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p wall of text about Colombian soccer mechanics.https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowcharthttps://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore documenthttps://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.
New leaks from the thread before last thread.https://files.catbox.moe/wygn37.png - Zollverein mechanic.https://files.catbox.moe/tzqmdt.png - Guyana flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/h1e8ew.png - Humphrey in the US rework. Do not share!https://files.catbox.moe/v47bjy.png - Reagan tree.https://files.catbox.moe/8edmqf.png - Reagan Mechanic...?https://files.catbox.moe/egyad1.pdf - McGovern 54 page campaign document.https://files.catbox.moe/jbimjj.png - Old jfk flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/r7l32u.png - Stevenson focus tree.https://files.catbox.moe/7nxnlv.png - Finland re-re-rework. Dev reads the thread.https://files.catbox.moe/knh9ax.png - Tanganyka flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/f9vryd.png - Full Iberia flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/p77eoj.png - Iberia stuff #2.https://files.catbox.moe/hfk4zw.png - Iberia stuff #3.https://files.catbox.moe/rwnlai.png - Iberia stuff #4.https://files.catbox.moe/td9n9k.png - Iberia stuff #5.https://files.catbox.moe/pqyhzn.png - Romania re-rework flowchart. 4chan wins again.https://files.catbox.moe/qsd9cg.png - Germany just nukes Russia in 1963 now, RIP.https://files.catbox.moe/tkxwrq.png - Moscowien rework #13.https://files.catbox.moe/zls2jx.png - Partial Italy rework #10+ flowchart.
Leaks from the last thread. You know these will just get reworked again, right?https://files.catbox.moe/9zek9b.jpg - Updated Italy rework #11? I don't know any more.https://files.catbox.moe/4fxdxv.png - DV Ugandahttps://files.catbox.moe/nnubho.png - DV Kenyahttps://files.catbox.moe/66gs4a.png - DV Zanzibarhttps://files.catbox.moe/n7zxyc.png - DV Liberiahttps://files.catbox.moe/xhhu3n.png - DV South Africahttps://files.catbox.moe/uv7i9f.png - DV Niger.https://files.catbox.moe/zzb68p.png - DV Togo.https://files.catbox.moe/qdwxfw.jpg - Turkey tree leak #1https://files.catbox.moe/0kckpi.jpg - #2https://files.catbox.moe/n6diob.png - Ukraine rework/expansion.https://files.catbox.moe/4ds8jv.png - NuOstland map, prior leaks confirmed.https://files.catbox.moe/3xbwe8.png - Alegriahttps://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatiahttps://files.catbox.moe/z7t903.png - Norway rework.https://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Montenegro.https://files.catbox.moe/cub16l.jpg - Denmark.https://files.catbox.moe/okfwrj.png - Iran.Links to Speer and West Africa, Magagascar and some others from last thread were broken. Try to reupload them later.
>LEAKED BUILDSDon't let them erase history.2018: https://mega.nz/file/nRhmFShK#rjgJXFH5fh7Y9tfIxtH47YuuOOeJhylhrcJfujCdgcg2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/2023:https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuohttps://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions Endhttps://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Webhttps://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branchhttps://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides2025:https://mega.nz/file/zlZxGZyD#VPPY81gjxfLz7q7ehZ-wKhiw8Dd7eQm9m7M1JRFSLIA - US rework branch.https://mega.nz/file/v5pkzT4Q#YGc0xHjf5ypdI8ccky7fL06lS9fnMLSoqqE2MUSqeWc - Turkey branch.Help needed re-organizing the leaks and finding replacements for removed links. It's getting a bit crazy here after the dam broke.
>DEAD MOD NEWS>TNO suffers dozens of additional leaks because the devs hate each other and should just admit that at this point.>After half a year of delays TNO is releasing its Iberia update.>Contains civil war content and a facelift for the existing content, some anons are cautiously optimistic for a change.>All Iberian plans leaked and are in the leaks list if you want spoilers.>Anons allege that former Italy lead Pikeman was purged and that department in-fighting is the reason for all the recent leaks.>Red Italy is no longer cut after Italy's rework was rebooted. It's just not releasing in your lifetime.>Turkey dev apparently revived along with Italy; focus tree screenshots leaked.>Arch-janny Kateryna to rework Ukraine after its last lead was removed. Leaks confirm German plot armor.>Kateryna is also reworking Iran from scratch, oil crisis war to be replaced with a mini game about some island.>Former TNO dev claims that QPQ bypassed the entire PR team including the community lead when torching relations with EaW.>There are too many leaks and reworks and leaks of reworks of reworks to keep track of.>REAL MOD NEWS>TNO: RA puts out calls for writers.>TNO: RA posted teasers for their upcoming Dengist Speer content.>TNO: R is updating Russia's raid mechanics.
>>2386795Honestly we should probably include Requiem News and RA news more propely next timeThat way this thread gets a little bit less overly negative all the time and we start discussing actual mods with a future
>>2386799That's not a bad idea. The RA devs might be able to give some good input on this since they participate in the thread.
>>2386792here is the madagascar leak just incase it gets lost, Also here is what I have for speer and west africa, not sure if these are the ones your looking for
>>2386805couldn’t upload the other ones, too large sorry
>>2386808Try to save them as jpgs.
>>2386811on mobile unfortunately so idk how
>>2386795>Turkey dev apparently revived along with Italy; focus tree screenshots leaked.Those focus tree screenshots were from the leaked Turkey git buildThe main GUI mechanic is like 80% coded in (still obviously unfinished)Focus trees are mostly blank with some exceptions for some of the early game treesFor some reason the Maoist and NatSoc trees are fully coded in with loc, effects and focus icons mostly complete. I found it odd so I posted it on hereSo it's definitely in development just painfully slow progress
TNO leads put the dev in devil lmao
>>2386804We know some Requiem devs are here tooAges ago the lead coder probably was here, not sure if he still isPresumably Curving aswell, considering this post >>2383711But very very honestly I would much prefer we dont just make the News section propaganda pieces. RA and Requiem both have their own issues, and both probably dont have a good sense of accepting that.
>>2386795TNO:RA still needs GFX artists, but writing has been painfully slow due to the relative inaction of some volunteers, and the KdN mockup posted in the earlier thread might be relegated to a later update to prevent feature creep/rewoooooorking syndrome.
RED ITALY SAVE MEEEEEEEEEThey didn't even do a teaser for it on liberation day... it's over...
>>2386827Here's a toozer to make up for the bad news, this loads an OOB.
>>2386825I wouldn't call it propaganda since they just get completely neutral one-liners. It's more meant to be a humorous juxtaposition. But you're right and this should be figured out before next post.>in b4 I just let the general thread handle the actual news
>>2386829Have fun with your 2 paths that’s just generic, old left vs new left slop
>>2386830Is the SA getting integrated into the german military in RA or do they remain separate?
>>2386878The SA become the 1970s equivalent of the Navy SEALs for Germany, that's what picrel is about. "Special Forces" are a step above Elite Infantry with higher stats, but you acn only get the division template for them through focuses, events, and so on. The three superpowers will have a maximum of 3 SF divisions they can have at any one time, if you've played TFR Russia you'll know the mechanic I'm talking about. Each superpower's special forces will be specialized to a certain degree with somewhat differing stats, for example the Navy SEALs will have higher soft attack but less hard attack, and the same is true for the SA, though the other superpowers won't get their SF until they get their respective 70s content.
>>2386885Not where I expected the SA to end up but that's a cool idea.
>>2386792>Updated Italy rework #11? I don't know any more.Baker i appreciate your work but it clearly said about 5 times that those were the old plans before they reworked it.>NuOstland map, prior leaks confirmed.Ostland isnt designed yet, that it just TFO plans.
>>2386896I'll be honest I had a hard time keeping track of what was what when there were so many leaks dropping at once and people making contradicting claims on several. I think the confusion on the Italian content on my part comes from the back and forth of partial and differing leaks over the past few weeks.
Apparently the guy that got purged and lead to the recent leaks was someone named Peter who deleted his account. Anyone heard about him before, was he a known lolcow or involved in prior drama?
>>2386913I don't think anyone named Peter has been talked about here before. TNO being the way it is though it's not unheard of that completely normal people do heel turns and become real alogs because of how the leads treat their staff.
>>2386913Peter was a gendisc regular turned tester and then contributor for both tno and tfo He apparently left the team and all tno spaces for unspecified reasonsOne of the moments of all time with him was him drunk texting while on the swings in #off topic
>>2386792Forgot germany
>>2387164It's in the op. Presumably it got priority like Himmler.
Thoughts?
>>2387253>Another skeleton I don't care about on release tied to a country that's in perpetual rework hell and had to be reworked for the fifth time because of DVlmao this guy should just give up already.
newer version of Iran chart
>>2387551Hey, are you willing to exchange leaks ? We have close to a hundred flowcharts a dozen of gits who haven't been posted here. If you're interested, contact this person on Discord : doctoragor
>>2387584>people are trading TNO leaks like pokemon cards now
>>2387584Oh hey haven’t talked to you in a while, Sorry about the early leaks. You don’t have to give me more if you don’t want to but I will take more if your willing
Anybody have a copy of or working link to the Speer flowchart that was mentioned?
>>2387639This why you people are goys. You preserve nothing and then "discover" shit that was leaked years ago. Fucking new fags.
>>2387593dm me
>>2387589hey what else can you do on a sinking ship but shuffle the chairs on the deck?
>>2387639I do but the file is too large it’s on my phone, and catbox isn’t working
>>2387551>Kateryna is so hated by his team mates that they just leak his shit in real time
>>2387551how does this shit get leaked this fast, does the tranny even care? why doesn't he just retaliate instead of just being the lolcow of these threads?
>>2387662at this point who cares what get leaked, It’s not like it’s getting released anytime soon and i’m assuming kat knows that
>>2387679nayrt but I'd definitely care about shit getting leaked because of what it says about the team.
These leaks are just really sad.All skeleton shit. No direction.>Playing extremely minor nations is unpopular with 90% of players so lets make the mod all about tiny nation states that dont matter in the grand schemeIts especially sad knowing that the "leaks" have essentially 0 real script/code/writing behind them in their current state. If they did, it would just be released already.Only story skeletons leaked, not even the full story, not even a mf visual.Pathetic.
>>2387551wait, is there just going to be no way to get Iran out of Germany's sphere anymore? So incredibly stupid, at least this will never come out.
>>2387712>Playing extremely minor nations is unpopular with 90% of playersThat's just wrong though. People love that. Minor nations in mods like RF, KR, EaW, OWB and many, many more often end up becoming fan favorites. Sure everyone isn't going to play and like them, but everyone usually have a minor to mid-tier tag that they really enjoy. That's also where a lot of the backlash against the railroading comes from. It's fun to beat the odds as an underdog or be the small cog in a machine that saves the war effort. Heck starting out as a minor warlord is what makes Russia so beloved to a lot of people!Not saying you're wrong but I really do feel like you're right that this is their philosophy and it's just terrible.
>>2387712Also there is no vision. Like none of these skeletons have any cohesion with each other or the story as it stands.Its not necessary to make most of this shit because its tangent to the timeline.I see the "devs" aka novel writers are taking some of the memes to heart like the failstate meme and they are trying to provide the bigger nations with multiple paths. But this "un-railroading" is at a great cost to the overarching experience. It is a game after all, and since there is literally nothing happening outside of majorly scripted sequences, it falls short of being playable. If some of the skeletonned events were in the game already, then the player would have several real gameplay events to look forward to instead of novelslop and scriptslop.The mod is rotten and it isn't getting fixed by some modding hobbyist's part time work on a specific nation out of the 200 nations there are on the map and 1000 possible paths there are for each individual nation.Its bloating at terminal fucking velocity.
>>2387713Technically there's the CW but that's in TNO 2 sooo... Nope. Everyone having a stake in the future of Iran is gone.
>>2387714Minor nations are cool when and only if you are allowed to do something with them.Minor nations that are beloved are only beloved for their focus trees and mechanics.Since there are no paths forward for most minor nations in TNO, one would assume most of the work was put into the majors which is only true for some of them and even then not to the fullest extent they could have.So as a fringe benefit of an unfinished mod and update hype cycles, minors are only worked on as a way to avoid problems with the major countries in TNO, which has led to feature creep and bloat.If the game as a whole were more finished, more cohesive, then minor development wouldnt be a problem.
>>2387718There are actually some relatively minor nations in the mod with focus trees, actual stakes and decent fanbases: South Africa and the Schild states. All can either live or die in an epic clash between the SS and a flawed democracy. They're not perfect, but they were good enough to earn the mod a lot of hype all the way back in Don't Surf.They're all being deleted and replaced with skeletons roflmao
>>2387551Slightly less shitty than before. Pmo that 99% of paths are just generic nationalist takes over country. Im glad they added some alternatives to that but in almost every game they are gonna stay pakt aligned.
>Kateryna's now reading the thread and stealing our ideas to fix his shitty reworks no one asked forA new low.
>>2387589>>2387655>rarest leaks
>>2387763Civil war in TNO2 (never happening)I'm assuming it would be the Islamic Revolution considering TNO2 is the seventies.
>>2387551It's such a nudev-ism to have pre-determined outcomes for wars in your own fucking charts. They're so afraid of ever introducing even a hint of gameplay that they can't even allow the skeleton to have an actual conflict play out organically even in the future plans that they know will never reach fruition anyway.
TNO:RA toozer
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>>2387858TNO:RA Middle Eastern content as GoodWinSon stated will involve a big war between Italy, Turkey, Arabs, and I think Iberia during the 70's. Turkey will hopefully have a minigame to sway them to either the Pakt, CPS, or OFN in the future.
>>2387869>One lone autist single handedly destroys TNO by just allowing gameplay and chance to exist in a gameAnother brutal TNO dev L.
>>2387870 (me)Wait I just realized that this meme from a few years ago is no longer satire HAHAHAHA
So I checked the germany flowchart and for the speer successors, It seems that they are almost all universally in their mid 30s- to 40s which is pretty young all things consideredWe haven’t gotten the leader for the reformist partocrats but my theory is peter glotz as he is the most reactionary out of the reformists in the borman path as his subid is revolutionary conservatism. Funnily enough he is also the youngest among the speer successors as pape is almost 50, Biedenkopf is 44 and glotz is by far the youngest at 35He could theoretically remain fuhrer until the 2000s since that’s when he died otl
>>2388130it says that wolters will become deputy fuhrer after the oil crisis but i don’t think speer would pick him as a successor. He’s almost as old as speer is and he dies 2 years after speer so if your resigning the fuhrer ship due to old age, it’s pretty retarded to choose a new führer the same age as you
>>2388130does the Speer flowchart show successors? or do you mean jordan, kehrl etc.?
>>2388189yes but those guys get replaced as the game goes on. kehrl gets replaced by biedenkopf but we don’t know who replaces jordan which is why I assumed it would be Glotz. Kehrl and Jordan are already pretty old so new blood naturally takes their place. Plus it doesn’t make sense for speer to retire in 1974 due to old age and then appoint a successor that is older than him. Kehrl is 5 years older and jordan is 3 years older. Considering it’s a lifetime position, it’s not really a good decision to pick someone on the older side unless your bormann, then you pick kopfler because gerontocracy is seemingly his preferred method of government
>>2388198Speer doesnt retire due to old age, he keeps going until the RGW is over
Relax it's all getting reworked anyway so none of the things you're speculating on even matter.
>>2388202Rgw? it says in the flowchart that 1973-1974 is an interregnum which means that speer gets replaced in that period. the 2wrw happens in 1978
>>2388207How does he appoint a vice-chancellor after then? The 2wrw happens in 76 so I think its meant to end in 78 as the flowchart says.This one might be less accurate but it implies that speer still rules after the Interregnum
>>2388213This is so ass.>5 years later and they've still barely figured out entire branchesImagine throwing away this much time on a mod with nothing to show for it.
>>2388222This is really old, only using this to prove that speer does remain in the speer path. Otherwise the general flowchart is right
>>2388225That just means that the rework got reworked again.
>>2388213That’s the older chart, also interregnum literally means in between two rulers in latin. I’m assuming wolters will be the vice chancellor for the new fuhrer so speer can insure his vision is secure after he retires speer doesn’t die until 1983 so i’m assuming speer will have a nice retirement building cities in the germanized parts of eastern europe
>>2388230Why would they change that in specific though? And why would the chart not show it until after the 2wrw? It feels pretty dumb that speer after achieving his utopia resigns and lets someone not 100% aligned with his views take over
>>2388245I mean even retired he still has massive influence over the party. his appointed vice chancellor is there to keep the new fuhrer in line, and his health is already declining due to the stress of the oil crisis. At that point you might as well retire and ensure an orderly transition of power instead of dying in office with no direct successor like hitler did. Plus after the kampfzeit, A peaceful transition of power would be much appreciated by the public
This is his latest post oil-crisis success tree (unless a more recent one was made)
Why are these niggas even pretending that any of this let alone a 2wrw in the late 70s will ever happen
If I could have one planned path miraculously finish coding and testing tomorrow it would be the Kehrl path. I NEED technocratic nazi kino.
>>2387551Ok this is horrible. I made a quick and dirty proposal for them a while ago and even that was better that this piece of shit.
>>2388573Make a proposal for Red Italy
>>2388573It's actually worse but ok
>>2388583Yeah, not enough Mohammad Reza Pakhlavi under different subids, my bad.
>Natsoc Samara unifies West Russia>Amur unifies SiberiaOh yeah it's "Omsk are the good guys" time
Man, I'm worried about the TNO Rises Again folks at Kiwi Farms because the site creator is literally dumb enough to have a war with Anime community leading to him being exposed as pedophile and might get FBI involved
>>2388624>Oh yeah it's "Omsk are the good guys" timeSo a day ending in Y?
>>2388573It's not too bad if it's a first draft. For a player, it's a big upgrade since all superpowers have a stake in it. Needs more work but at least there's a reason to care since the outcomes aren't just cosmetic in 99.99% of cases. But you probably played the game whereas Kateryna typically just wants to write about politics.>>2388630Sounds like bullshit. Even if the site was removed then the devs - all 2 of them, none of whom are Null - could just keep going and set up their own forum.
I might start making my own submod just to finish Britain because I want to see Powell
>>2388573This blows lol
>>2388751Sure beats having over a dozen identical outcomes.
>>2388573Iran starting with Mossadegh and under Japan kinda sucks, but other than that it's alright I guess.Iran should for sure start in Germany's sphere imho
>>2388761Agreed but that might've been done to balance out against Pakistan being pro-German or something.
>>2388761Why not? It provides a realistic starting situation different from OTL
>>2388784Because "Mossadegh tries to nationalize oil fields" is literally just OTLIt also isnt very realistic, because Mossadegh was INSANELY hated across Iran for being one of the worst possible politicians. People liked him wanting to nationalize the oil fields, but hated him on every other topic.
>>2388761Shouldn't it start in Italy's sphere.
>>2388758You literally only think they're identical because Iran is a monarchy so has the same head of state in most paths.Iran starting as a pro-japan republic is retarded lore, and your outcomes aren't any less identical just because the leader portrait will be different after Mosaddegh dies. Iran should be pro-German, Zahedi doing his thing is far more interesting lore than boring OTLism with soviet-british invasion happening and Mosaddegh nationalising oil.
>>2388786>Bitches about something being otl >Says that otl is unrealistic >Had Iran be an autocratic imperial puppet state of a foreign power instead
>>2388803All outcomes involve the Pakt ruling the place so yes it's all the same for me as a player because nothing you people make will be playable and none of these swaps matter for anything other than flavor at best.
>>2386795I was in EaW when they killed the partnership. Mango was outright asked whether QPQ was speaking for the mod or notIt was not a moron going rogue. It was calculated from the start.Ask me anything about the seven days in the summer.
>>2388825Anon in the last thread didn't say that QPQ went rogue but that he and Mango ignored the community lead and told him to eat shit. So it's just the leads running roughshot over their own team.>ama1. Is it true that they just wanted one of your devs to get removed from the team over old drama?2. What was the dialogue between the mods like? Did they try to be diplomatic or did they just make demands?3. How did the process of cutting ties come about? Was it quick or did they really have to push your buttons to get it to happen?4. Were there more consequences for either mod than just severing ties?5. Were there any internal consequences for this over at TNO that you're aware of, or did they just skate by because it's a dictatorship?6. Is disliking TNO just a leadership thing over at EaW or did this issue affect the playerbase too?
>>23888351. We got that impression from their behaviour, totally.2. Diplomatic, coldly so and with QPQ carrying a smug aura of misplaced superiority. Demands were implied, never explicit3. It was covered last summer but they were told to drop their demands or the partnership was dead. EaW leadership was behind it every step if the way4. No5. None that I know of.6. Latter. It is a realism pitted against gameplay chasm
>>2388786But he does succeed, thats the difference. Also, he was so hated across Iran that US had to literally bribe protesters to go to the streets and the only reason why he lost was the fact that he allowed his supporters to demobilize during the most critical hours. He made some wrong choices, like Hitler did, but Hitler still won tnotl.
>>2388825>the seven days in the summersomeone make a superevent for this
>>2388573>Copypasted muh british oil company despite it making no sense in tnotl >White revolution is le heckin bad even though it caused immense economic growth and prosperity This is unironically worse than the canon toozer
>>2388852So hated across Iran infact that the CIA literally went "Why are there so many people who would love to help us take him down??"Yes, the CIA 100% had to help out to do it, but Mossadegh had no long term future.His government went so far as to just not count the votes of rural voters, basically try and circumnavigate the shah and the Majili.He went from being popularish to being hated by the broad political spectrum.Operation Ajax couldntve happened organically, but the guy for sure wouldntve stuck around for a few more years without his head being paraded through Tehran.
>>2388804Nah I'm not saying OTL is unrealistic, I'm saying its unrealistic for Mossadegh to hang on for over a decade.And yes, its better for Iran to be in the German Sphere, because Iran was already friendly to Germany overall and had built up very friendly relations over the past half a century.Meanwhile with Japan there is practically zilch history in comparison.
>>2388928>The CIA finding useful idiots willing to betray their country proves me rightI also notice that there's been literally not a single argument for why having 14 mechanically identical outcomes is better than Iran being up for grabs by the superpower.>But in TNO 2...Shut the fuck up not even the devniggers believe it's ever releasing.
>>2388949Do you think that mechanically the gold standard for a TNO tag is >durr it can go pro-japan, pro-germany or pro-us, maybe even non-aligned, takes guts and moxieIran was a Germany sympathizing regional power, them being clearly aligned with their ally after the defeat of their main Anglo-Soviet adversary makes perfect sense. Germany gets a steady proxy for its influence in the middle-east to counter the italians and keep the americans out. Not every country should be a politically and narratively empty football to be kicked around in a three-sided superpower conflict.
>>2388949Imagine if you wanted a country to have agency but it just became a soulless puppet of what ever superpower
>>2388990>>2388994Why even bother if it has zero utility in the game? You could just have the tag start out as a blank slate and it wouldn't make a difference to the rework plan which is just fifteen flavors of serving the same master in the same way. At no point was a single thought given to whether or not anyone would give a shit about this in the mod itself. No one besides nudevs actually care which news event about how Iran's siding with Germany this time as opposed to all the other times they side with Germany.
>>2388949Lmao who says I'm in favor of the dogshite proposal that TNO brought forth?Sounds like you got triggered like a dumb liberal that your proposal is being called fucking retarded.
>>2389002At least that guy had some positive remarks and ideas. It feels like even when a mid or worse idea from the past is revealed, everything in the pipeline is just so much worse now than what could even be suggested a few years ago.
Literally who cares what fucking ideology the Shah is?Is Iran going to be playable? Probably never. All you're going to see are a handful of flavour events when you play as Germany.What a fucking waste of time.
>>2389035Kateryna does. Enjoy your rework. :)
I just want full Manchuria content I’m about to be an old man
>>2389078It will never release. At least we're finally getting Spain content which is like an actually interesting country. After this though they have to make sure to create hundreds of skeleton content for African nations nobody will ever interact with...
>>2389078Yugo is now an old man. Mango really buckbroke him.
>>2389096Bruh even their own announcements say that it's just a facelift.
>>2389098Honestly dude anything for an interesting country is a huge improvement over the last x years of this mod.
>>2389101True. It's honestly the most promising thing since Guangdong. Even if it's just a facelift there's honestly nothing wrong with it. 7/10, passing grade. It's more marred by the fact that this is all we'll get before all of Africa and the GCW are deleted and replaced with nothing ever happens.
>>2389105>Most promising thing since GuangdongNigga it’s the ONLY thing since Guangdong
>>2389110I feel that Brazil at least counts even if it really wasn't my cup of tea. Britain is a demo so is doesn't count (and its development has died because of Frost) and Ukraine was ruined by Lamounier's plot armor mandate. So not the only thing but it's fucking grim that they're being carried by the LATAM and Antarctica guys.
>>2389117Antarctica and Brazil both submods btw
>>2389117Brazil was also only two paths after years of development. And even then it fell well short of what came before. Also appreciate that you didn't even mention Mexico, which is just regurgitated wikipedia articles.
>>2389121>>2389124>SubmodsHonestly since they do all the work they're superior to the "main" team in my book. All those guys do is rework shit and ruin the place. Say whatever you want about Antarctica but they've released more playable content than all the Reichtards have.>Mexico Also a demo so it doesn't count.
This is ancient but thought I should post it regardless this is outdated btw
>>2388928So wait a second, is your argument basically "Mossadegh wasnt a democrat so he had no political future"? Are you a boomer or what?>the guy for sure wouldntve stuck around for a few more years without his head being paraded through TehranBy who i wonder? He was surely less retarded then the Shah himself, and this guy has managed to rule the country for 25 years more.
Schlafly
>>2389643Ford
>>2389426>He was surely less retarded then the Shah himselfWhat did Shah even do which makes you so pissy? He redistributed land from landlords to 2.5 million peasants. He also improved the education and increased the total number of Iranian students from 1.5 million in 1958 to more than 10 million in 1978. When Mossadegh was in power, Iran’s budget was around $400 million. Shah's last budget was $57 billion. In 1963 per capita income was $174, in 1978 it was $2,540Mossadegh was a regular turd world socialist dictator who nationalized the oil but didn't sell it to anyone and used economic collapse he himself caused to give himself dictatorial powers for half a year and when the deadline came he started extending it indefinitely which alienated a lot of people. The reason CIA even got involved is because they believed he would collapse the country and it would lead to a communist revolution or he would sell out to soviets. With USSR gone and communism being discredited he would lose his major backer which allowed him to maintain power.
Europas Narben is coming after Iberia, right...?
>>2389656Shut up Kateryna no one cares about your reworks.>>2389658It's dead.
>>2389643Extremely obvious Trump allegory. At least it's kinda funny in how on-the-nose it is + the Bozell thing looks cool.>>2389650Looks fine but pretty retarded to put a "political capital" variable in their mechanic when political power is a thing that exists.>>2389660I don't think Kateryna would be defending the Shah immediately after portraying them as a fascist.
>>2389663Political power is overused everywhere and a bit shitty so i get it. Schlafly is high tier kino and all its successors are incredible though, both in an ironic and an actual way and I will die on this hill
>>2389666Yeah I'm not saying it looks bad at all, just saying it's not subtle whatsoever.
>>2389643Lmao
>>2389671kino
>>2389671This is so ass.
The duality of man.
>>2389650Did they actually just make a tree for OTL Ford? Holy shit whenever you think that they can't possibly get any lazier these creatively bankrupt fucks somehow find a way. And the way they just lazily put 1968 Nixon in 1960 still pisses me off.
>>2389680
>>2389656He was a fucking retard who single-handedly destroyed his own country. He established a one-party state despite already having absolute power, he started the war on clergy and small business owners, he was insanely corrupt, he helped Israel to develop nukes, he even managed to alienate his international allies by making attemps to nationalize oil himself and his constant bitching about le ebil white people robbing the third world. His White Revolution (acccording to Maddison Project) has tripled gdp per capita from 3800 in 1963 to 10200 in 1977 (it fell down to 8700 in 1978 so im doing you a favor there). But guess who has managed to do the same? His sandnigger relatives in Saudi Arabia. So i tend to attribute the economic changes solely to the oil prices and not to his policies.Mossadegh on the other hand was smart enough to not to declare himself communist to save his relationships with the clergy and tried to negotiate with both Britain and the US on terms of nationalization unlike his moronic socialist counterparts in Cuba, Guatemala, you name it.
Is DV integration coming with the newest update?
>>2389695No, it can't be. Because old Africa has key story content like the SAW DV can't be released until numerous tags are reworked to account for the second largest early game event being gone and those tags need to be reworked to account for the same thing.Daily reminder that this entire clusterfuck is the result of nepotism and that all TNO devs are fine with this sort of behavior.
>>2389687>He was a fucking retard who single-handedly destroyed his own countryBy increasing the GDP, building schools and hospitals, redistributing land and giving people rights? Yea that's le heckin evil bro, gimme a socialist turd worldist shitslamist dictatorship instead >he started the war on clergyThey literally rape donkeys and encourage pedophilia. Why is it a bad thing to go against it? >small business ownersProof? He redistributed land from nobles to 2.5 million peasants and his policies would generally contribute to the rise of small businesses since the country transferred from feudalism to modern capitalism. >he was insanely corruptHow can a king be corrupt when the country is literally his private property? This makes no sense >But guess who has managed to do the same? His sandnigger relatives in Saudi Arabia. So i tend to attribute the economic changes solely to the oil prices and not to his policies.No it's because both countries were absolute monarchies and not third world socialist shitholes. It's a pretty obvious pattern that middle eastern monarchies tend to be much better while socialists and islamists prefer to wallow in the puddle of their own shit. Somehow you make this comparison without realising that it destroys your whole argument since had Shah stayed in power Iran would be as rich as middle eastern monarchies if not more and that's bad because..?>international allies by making attemps to nationalize oil himselfNo he didn't. He negotiated a deal with Italians which made americans and british pissy but he didn't straight up nationalize anything.
>>2389687>Mossadegh on the other hand was smart enough to not to declare himself communist to save his relationships with the clergyThe reason why the clergy and nobles didn't hate him was because he didn't do as much reforms that would uproot the country from poverty unlike the Shah who started land redistribution and modernization. Also I don't see why it's a good thing if the nobles and clergy were obviously unhinged and supported policies which made people poor. >tried to negotiate with both Britain and the US on terms of nationalization unlike his moronic socialist counterparts in Cuba, GuatemalaThat's completely false. He refused to make any negotians which was the reason between the conflict with him and the Shah because Shah initially supported the nationalization but wanted to negotiate while Mossadegh wanted to do socialism and poverty. That's the reason while after a coup Shah made agreements with the west which is one of the reason he's hated. You got your narrative completely upside down.
>>2389643Schlafly is Omsk-pilled???
>This thread is now full of TNO devs shilling for the CIAI guess it doesn't matter. It's not like there's any actual content in this dead-ass mod to talk about. No, a facelift to a fourth rate power doesn't count.
>>2389710This is so fucking dumb. The entire tree is just Mango's TDS on steroids.
>>2389643wtf? why no ancap america?
>>2389717Perfect submod opener
>>2389717Because Rothbard could never have become president IRL + fuck you, most likely.
>>2389711It's more like anons discussing why Mossadegh being in power in 62 is fucking retarded.Noone is shilling for the CIA, if anything we are shilling for the Shah. And we aren't doing that either.
>>2389732Shilling for the Shah is shilling for the CIA because he was a CIA asset. But fair, maybe I'm oversensitive. I just don't understand why there's this level of fervor over content that'll never, ever release or matter even if it did.
>>2389712If Panzer made it you'd love it. Mango might be a libshit but at least he's bringing back killpeopleist kino
>>2389758Mango's budget store Panzer, but you're objectively right that he's the best lead on the team. He has America nuke niggers because of racism and the other devs can only play catchup. He's bringing back a pale immitation of Panzerite kino by being so retarded that he doesn't realize how hilarious he is. But still, I think all of us will take that over what retarded OTList pieces of shit like Lamounier and Kateryna shit out. Sure, dictator Nixon will just be a TDS crashout but at least it'll be funny unlike everything those fags are doing.
>>2389700>Why is it a bad thing to go against it?Because if you live in a muslim country you will lose your both your head and your country. Do i really have to explain this shit?>Proof>that party's attempt to fight inflation with populist "anti-profiteering" campaigns—fining and jailing merchants for high prices – angered and politicized merchants while fueling black markets>How can a king be corrupt when the country is literally his private property?I mean we white people see it in a way that even in absolute monarchies the king has its own civil list and it is separated from the government budget, so spending money from the latter on his own needs is viewed as an act of corruption. And im not even mentioning that every corrupt official transfers his blame on monarch, because the latter has an absolute power and therefore bears absolute responsibility.>No it's because both countries were absolute monarchiesYou dont understand your own argument. Two countries got similar economic results. One of them got White Revolution, the other didnt. Both had massive oil supplies. Is White Revolution relevant in that sense? It isnt.>No he didn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Sale_and_Purchase_Agreement>That's completely false>Mohammad Mosaddegh attempted to negotiate with the AIOC, but the company rejected his proposed compromise. Mosaddegh's plan, based on the 1948 compromise between the Venezuelan Government of Rómulo Gallegos and Creole Petroleum, would divide the profits from oil 50/50 between Iran and Britain>On a visit to the United States in October 1951, Mosaddegh—in spite of the popularity of nationalization in Iran—agreed in talks with George C. McGhee to a complex settlement of the crisis involving the sale of the Abadan Refinery to a non-British company and Iranian control of the extraction of crude oilYou clearly dont know what youre talking about.
>>2387726The South African war is my favorite conflict of the entire mod.My only issue is the volunteers have a 5050 shot at getting bugged and never moving out of your capital.>They're all being deleted and replaced with skeletons roflmao>its not "realistic" to have a war spanning subsaharan Africa between the "free world" and the Aryan-only SS purifying the dark continentI want to kill myself after hearing this. Thanks.
>>2389766>Because if you live in a muslim country you will lose your both your head and your country. Do i really have to explain this shit?The extremist pedophiles don't represent the entirety of the muslim world and it would be ludicrous to claim that the only way is to bend over to them. A small mind can't comprehend that just because things are they were they are doesn't mean that it was inevitable or that there couldn't be a better solutions.>>that party's attempt to fight inflation with populist "anti-profiteering" campaigns—fining and jailing merchants for high prices – angered and politicized merchants while fueling black marketsI guess your only source is wikipedia every talking point was taken from there but okay I concede. >we white peopleConsidering your shilling for third world muslim socialist dictators I highly doubt that. Also white people don't need to mention it >every corrupt official transfers his blame on monarch, because the latter has an absolute power and therefore bears absolute responsibilitySo the king is corrupt because in a country of 144 million people some officials may be corrupt. Got it. >You dont understand your own argument. Two countries got similar economic results. One of them got White Revolution, the other didnt. Both had massive oil supplies. Is White Revolution relevant in that sense? It isnt.Can you explain why monarchies outperform third world socialist shitholes in every metric despite both of them having oil if the government policies have zero effect on the prosperity of the country? >You clearly dont know what youre talking about.I've read the book instead of wikipedia but okay.
>>2389656He was a zionist plant
>>2389766>>Mohammad Mosaddegh attempted to negotiate with the AIOC, but the company rejected his proposed compromise. Mosaddegh's plan, based on the 1948 compromise between the Venezuelan Government of Rómulo Gallegos and Creole Petroleum, would divide the profits from oil 50/50 between Iran and Britain>>On a visit to the United States in October 1951, Mosaddegh—in spite of the popularity of nationalization in Iran—agreed in talks with George C. McGhee to a complex settlement of the crisis involving the sale of the Abadan Refinery to a non-British company and Iranian control of the extraction of crude oilYou're missing important context which is that was before the nationalization. After the nationalization Mossadegh didn't want to negotiate anymore while Shah did which is why after the coup Shah succesfully negotiated the 50/50 split Mossadegh initially offered. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Sale_and_Purchase_AgreementI mean it was a negotiated deal unlike the usual nationalization when one party steals stuff. While technicality both are nationalizations your framing and comparisons are incorrect. I already know that Shah's actions caused big oil and US to be angry and sponsor the coup but you're acting like he and mossadegh were acting the same while one was a lot smarter than the other and you could see it in how they both went about solving the oil problem.
>>2389762>US rework (finally) gets released>whole community starts memeing about dictator nixon>mango seethes that people find it fun rather than being le thoughtful critique
>>2389815>The extremist pedophiles don't represent the entirety of the muslim worldWell, technically they do, because all of them (all of you?) are worshipping a pedophile. But lets say indeed that there are "moderate" pedophiles and "extremist" pedophiles. There are policies that can enrage both groups, none of them or only one. The particular measure to change the calendar from hijri to Cyruses ascension to the throne has angered both groups while achieving nothing valuable.>I guess your only source is wikipedia every talking point was taken from there but okay I concede.The passages i were referring to had links to the books. I decided to not quote them directly as you clearly have to read at least something related to the topic and wikipedia sounds like a good start.>Considering your shilling for third world muslim socialist dictatorsIm not shilling for anyone, im just stating that one brown guy was better than another brown guy. Is that considered shilling now?>Also white people don't need to mention itThey have to if they want to show a poc that their worldview might be different.>144 millionIran never had a population like that. Thinking of a corrupt 144mil shithole and only Russia comes to mind. Are you a russian? It would explain a lot, you can tell me, it will be our secret.>Can you explain why monarchies outperform third world socialist shitholesBecause they are not socialist?>if the government policies have zero effect on the prosperity of the countryIts not what i said. There are policies that have such effect and policies that havent.>I've read the book instead of wikipedia but okay.Oh the book? Next time you should start quoting the book and pray its not an alphabet.
Holy shit you fags are still going at this?
>>2389901>The particular measure to change the calendar from hijri to Cyruses ascension to the throne has angered both groups while achieving nothing valuable.Ataturk did much more based things in Turkey and he's considered one of the greatest statesmen. Your only claim is that he did good things but because he got overthrown means he's le bad. Even if that's true we can acknowledge that he's morally superior and had he his way Iran would be in a much better position. Same can't be said about Mossadegh or Khomeini who had no positive vision. >im just stating that one brown guy was better than another brown guyYou're stating that a third world socialist dictator who loved poverty was better than a guy who wanted to change things for the better. I don't see any reason to respond to anything else since it's just namecalling with no acknowledgment of anything I said
>>2389650Post more trees.
>>2389834>You're missing important context which is that was before the nationalizationWell imagine my shock but negotiations about bying or selling something always precede the act of transfer. Mossadegh tried to negotiate (on the contrary to yours >He refused to make any negotians) and got only refuses from the british so he nationalized oil unilaterally.>Shah succesfully negotiated the 50/50 split Mossadegh initially offeredMossadegh offered 50/50 split of profits. The aforementioned treaty implied 50/50 split of profits and 50/50 split of shares. Only the nationalization i mentioned that happened 20 years later has mirrored the initial proposal in that matter.>it was a negotiated deal unlike the usual nationalization when one party steals stuffYes and that deal was refused by the british 20 years earlier.>he and mossadegh were acting the same1. They werent acting the same at least because Shah had 30 more years in power to make all the retarded things i mentioned.2. They were acting the same on the topic of nationalization but with a 20 years time lag. But again, Shah had the Western countries as his primary benefactors and yet he spat at their faces. It was a retarded move.>Ataturk did much more based thingsAtaturk was a popular general and the last Ottoman Caliph has literally betrayed his own country. Again how any of these circumstances are relevant to the Iran case?>Your only claim is that he did good thingsStop twisting my own words buddy, my claim is that he did bad things and got overthrown because of it.>a guy who wanted to change things for the betterI prefer to judge a historical person by the results he achieved. Shah achieved an absolute destruction of his own country without any foreign interference and because of that he burns in hell.>I don't see any reason to respond to anything elseYou could at least confirm my suspisions about your russian origin.
>>2389961>(on the contrary to yours >He refused to make any negotians) I was referring to a time after he nationalized it and the country was suffering economic collapse due to embargo. What he made prior to that is irrelevant because he stopped negotiating after nationalization >Ataturk was a popular general and the last Ottoman CaliphBlablabla. Forest for the trees. The fact that he changed the entire alphabet and banned many muslim practices shows that it's possible to modernize the islamist country which is what you were challenging by saying how stupid it was for shah to do so and that he should just accept his country being poor and degenerate. >Stop twisting my own words buddy, my claim is that he did bad things and got overthrown because of it.So you claim that modernizing the country and moving away from shitslam is bad. If you had said so in the first place the discussion would be a lot easier because I would know your moral stances but you're a slimy coward who's willing to lie and pretend like you're totally white and hate islam while regurgitating every third world islamosocialist talking point. >I prefer to judge a historical person by the results he achievedMe too and when we judge the results of White Revolution there was a lot achieved during his reign as I already mentioned >He redistributed land from landlords to 2.5 million peasants. He also improved the education and increased the total number of Iranian students from 1.5 million in 1958 to more than 10 million in 1978.When Mossadegh was in power, Iran’s budget was around $400 million. Shah's last budget was $57 billion. In 1963 per capita income was $174, in 1978 it was $2,540
>>2389961>Shah achieved an absolute destruction of his own country It's extremely stupid to judge a 25 year old reign solely because of how it ended and disregard everything else. Shah has achieved immense progress and economic growth and even by your own admission had Shah remained in charge Iran would be as rich as Saudi Arabia minus the religious insanity. You must prove why it's a bad thing if we want to continue this discussion. >without any foreign interferenceAre we sure about that?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter%27s_engagement_with_Ruhollah_Khomeini>You could at least confirm my suspisions about your russian origin.Why being Russian matters? Are you an /uhg/ tranny or something?
>>2389997Im tired so ill answer only to select passages.>Forest for the treesOk ill try to explain. You have a solar panel right? And you could us it to charge the battery only during the day, because its being charged by the sun right? You cant do this at night, because there is no sun. These are circumstances. Similar actions can or cant be possible under different circumstances. Ataturk could do the thing because of the different circumstances (and his own achievements which are also concidered circumstances) and shah couldnt.>So you claim that modernizing the country and moving away from shitslam is badIt is good if you are not a retard and not doing it in a retarded way which causes your coultry to collapse. Collapse is worse than the status quo. Doing nothing is better than the retarded change.>Me too and when we judge the results of White Revolution there was a lot achieved during his reign as I already mentionedNothing was achieved. Economy grew solely by the oil revenues and i proved that. What else? Giving women right to vote in a one-party state? Impressive.>by your own admission had Shah remained in charge Iran would be as rich as Saudi Arabia minus the religious insanityYes if he did nothing. If it wasnt Shah doing retarded things. But he did.>Are we sure about that?If you could read the article it basically states that the US refused to back the government against Khomeini. It was a clear non-interference policy, the opposite of interference.>Why being Russian mattersI mean im just curious if your views are predetermined by your ethnicity thats all. Why are you so hostile over a simple question? Are you ashamed or what?
Can you two get jobs
>>2390033this, Idc who made what point your both faggots
>>2390028Your IQ seems to be deteriorating with each reply so I'll spare you from further humiliation and end this discussion right there
do we know when slop is releasing today?
>>2390201Nope. Don't really care either. Iberia was never all that interesting to me so just getting a facelift of the existing content is a nothingburger imo.
>Iberia in DVI still don't get it
>>2390041Sometime between like 5 and 10 PM UTC based on past releases.>>2390227I don't either but I'm just happy they're not killing the tag.
>>2390227The can get the pink map apparently
Wait so this update is actually removing the SAW or what?
>>2390254No, this one isn't changing anything in africa except morroco, the next one will remove SAW
>>2390254I don’t think so, DV is getting integrated with yippie, Which will probably come out by the end of this year or the start of the next depending on how much infighting the devs get
>>2390227The most likely explanation is that the Iberia facelift was far along enough to make it impossible to just cancel it over DV. Give it a year or so maybe and then the devs will start to claim that Iberia is bad, Iberia makes no sense, and then skeletonize Spain and Portugal to conform with the fact that DV erased any reason left for Iberia's existence.>That sounds really stupid!Not any stupider than the dozens of other tags they've removed or destroyed.>>2390266US and Germany reworks are always slated as "done this year" until autumn rolls around. They also can't put out out DV until Germany's reworked to account for that heap of shit either.
>>2390277with yippie, we're actually seeing quite a few leaks so I do think they're working on it. Are the germany devs still working on it? i haven't been keeping the closest eye on the leaks, but I feel like I'd remember if I saw german ones.
>>2390287They're working on it but I don't think it's releasing anytime soon. As for Germany Bormann has been "almost done" for over a year, Speer dev has largely been stuck and everyone else is completely dead.
>update comes out>nobody postingdead mod
>>2390468i checked an hour ago, these modniggers usually update at a full hour but not tnotards apparently
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2438003901Updated: May 1 @ 11:38am>Updated: May 1 @ 11:38am Updated: May 1 @ 11:38am>Updated: May 1 @ 11:38am Updated: May 1 @ 11:38am>Updated: May 1 @ 11:38am Updated: May 1 @ 11:38am>Updated: May 1 @ 11:38am Updated: May 1 @ 11:38am>Updated: May 1 @ 11:38am
how will this affect the race to 600k
>>2390505They'll probably regain some of their lost ones and maybe even reach it before TFR does. It's still insane that the joke lasted this long since TNO had completely stagnant growth for over a year. Long term? Not really seeing any changes to the trajectory just like we saw with Brazil.
anyone knows how to download the latest version outside of steam
>>2390513Nexus mods
Is Iberia supposed to have 0% party popularity? I noticed on the wheel each UN-FET party has a subfaction in parenthesis but the actual ruling party is just UN-FET y de las JONS
>>2390554No, of course not. But what do you expect? They literally kicked this thing out of the door because the 600K subs joke got to them.
>>2390557Guess I'll just wait a week to play. The Brazil update had a shitload of hotfixes when that came out too
>>2390559I'd wait a full month. Brazil took a lot more than just a week to fix and it's likely worse this time around since they committed to a meme date instead of releasing it when it was ready.
>>2390554>>2390557Thats actually intended, its how the government factions are displayed with the fallen lion model. Germany does this too now Its very retarded but its intended
>>2390567Are you sure? I'm only at the start so pre civil war but the NSDAP are actually in charge of Germany and have representation on the ideology wheel. I only looked a couple countries but I've never seen the ruling party straight missing from the wheel
>>2390569VNJ germany
>>2390570Alright I'll just go with it for now even if it seems dumb. Guess a few percent of stability doesn't really matter anyway
>>2390567>It's not a bug because we broke this on purpose If you're a dev which I'm guessing by the VNJ remark: all your colleagues are retarded and you should leave this sinking ship.
>>2390567>Gimp a tag and make things more confusing for dubiously aesthetic purposesWhat the fuck is wrong with them?
how's the falange in new content? can i be primo de rivera-pilled?
In 1965 there seems to be a bug where if Dominican Republic invades Haiti the game crashes trying to do the peace conference.Anyone know a way to fix this or an Event ID or something to avoid this from happening?
>You cant even participate in the new proxies and have to set country rules to benefit you or else you're screwed Not looking good so fat but okay
>>2390599It's not confusing unless you're a retard who can't grasp a pie chart working in a slightly different way, and stability doesn't matter in TNO anyway. No clue why you people are focusing on this.
I literally have nothing in my life going on and I was looking forward to this as something possibly fun but turns out its just a mess filled with bugs that will take a month or so to iron out entirely...such a shame.
>>2390622don't quote me on this but iirc this means you support New Granada now when the civil war kicks off.
>>2390619Does anyone have the Event ID for when the Dominican Republic under trujilllo wins in Haiti and annexs it and forms Santo Domingo, every time i reload my save no matter what my game crashes once the "Calculating Peace Conference" comes up on my screen and it is forcing me to restart which I already had to do once.
>>2390639Another thing, Trujillo surviving is very important for Iberia to influence other proxy wars in LATAM and needs to exist for some proxies to be won by Iberia. Having this bug, something that is so important to the gameplay of Iberia is such an oversight that it almost seems intentional by the Devs. How is something like this not uncovered though testing? it just makes no sense. Clearly the devs dont even care and hate their own playerbase, if they want to release buggy shit like this and lie and be dishonest then maybe TNO should just roll over and die already. I was hopeful (copeful) that this update would be something brand new and something good from TNO for once but I realize now that I was just lying to myself and coping with the fact it has been over for years and I should expect these sorts of things from the Dev team.
>>2390639Not an event ID unfortunately, peacedeals are stored separately.>>2390645It's working for me.
I barley played this update, i don’t wanna see spanish names All damn day, If i wanted to do that I could just go to work I’m not playing a game we’re half the text is monkey speak
>>2390649Sure okay enjoy your barley mr. chud
>>2390630My bad I confused it with bolivia
>>2390653I mean im pretty open about it lol anyways about the update, I do like the new ethnicity map and its detail but I think instead of a key to describe percentages A pie chart would be more helpful I’m not to particularly interested in the proxy’s since it’s all latam and latin america has always been an irrelevant shithole Iberias content clearly had a lot of work put in so hats off but it’s honestly not as exciting or dynamic as guandong or the new germany all in all it’s better that what we’ve gotten so far so it’s ok in my books. I’m eagerly waiting for dv because I can earn glory for the european race in campaigns of TND and TAD
>>2390648What keeps happening with me is Haiti will be in Civil War with the Communists and then Trujillo invades and once the peace conference happens it crashes. For you is Haiti in Civil War?
>>2390682>Eagerly awaiting DVDevnigger or clinically retarded (but I repeat myself).
>>2390682>TND and TADbut that's already present if you play as Huttig
>A bunch of shitty US-centric proxies, touch up to five years old content and a bunch of useless GUIsIt's so fucking over.
yeah the content is mostly the same except for the (democratic) endingsinvested into colonial infrastructure on cooldown and still couldnt ever break even but now these shitty islands and jungles are paradise on earth, richer than any other part of our shitty country
>>2390717did you keep Morocco or Algeria?
Is falangism still a trap path or is there a way to avoid it?
>>2390703but hutig is a failstate, With him the colonial presence is bound to end. But with dv? oh it can last forever. Africa becoming a new lebensraum in a pan european crusade against the black race. Imagine it, South africa 50 percent white, algeria becoming pluarity pied noir as with rhodesia and kenya hosting sizable british minorities By the year 2100 if this settlement continued, There may be several beacons of high civilization on the dark continentImagine the luxury resorts and wildlife preserves, Train lines and highways, Walled segregated cities and homesteads. This can all happen with dv, but with hutig, You kill a couple chimps and the continent stays theirs. With dv you kill lots of chimps and the continent can stay ours, Forever and ever If you want to imagine the future with a DV integration, Imagine a Boot stamping on the face of the black man, Forever.
Don’t start a run unless you plan on finishing it immediately. I took a 6 hour break from my Francoist run and the proxy war section was bricked when I got back. Only got halfway through it but I would rate it like a 5/10 it’s so boring, barley anything has changed, there are times you go months without being able to take a focus, the events aren’t particularly interesting. Only positives are no overly complex GUIs. Hopefully dem Iberia or the Iberian wars factions are better than this. Jokes on me for thinking this could be a solid update.
>>2390761I want Falangism to be a great path. I really hope they didn't sleep on it yet again (or just make it generic fascism).Vanilla Falangists being able to core the entire Hispanic world from Patagonia to fucking Texas was just too good for tno I guess.
>>2390762You're off your fucking meds if you think they'll let anything of the sort happen.
The despotist path bored me but at least you can keep it together which I wanted for a long time
>>2390785Ntayrt but all but things point towards an end game with a lot of colonies still in place. I guess this does allows a timeline headcanon where they stay colonies or white settler states supported by the pakt to modern day
>>2390795>Yeah I know it'll be preachy bullshit but it can be real in my headHoly cope. Just disable the timer from Huttig's minigames to allow his empire to go on for all eternity and let your headcanon fill in all the blanks there then. You can get an experience superior to DV right now if you do that if all you care about is being able to fantasize about this regardless of what the game actually tells you.
anyone else finding the update boring as shit?
>>2390801It's just a facelift of an old tag that never was very good to begin with. They made it better in some ways but the update is dragged down in other ways. It's mid, sure, but it's also exactly what was advertised.
What do you even do in this situation? You can't attack it, you can't defend against it. I somehow encircled them and destroyed them 4 times and they just keep immediately reappearing
>>2390853>He tried to go against the intended timelineRookie mistake.>RespawnIt's a volunteer, right? They'll keep being sent to the tag's capital whenever they're free to send another division which unlike other mods and vanilla don't have any deployment delay. You might be able to pull off the encirclement trick if you can block them from spawning in enough VPs for you to win. Honestly the only way I can think of to let you cheese your way out of this glitchfest.
>Antifascist coalition of those that suffered genocide turning to genocidal means out of hatred and vengeance is bad when it's Slavs & Tatars against Germans>Antifascist coalition of those that suffered genocide turning to genocidal means out of hatred and vengeance is antiheroic when it's Chinese against Japanese>Antifascist coalition of those that suffered genocide turning to genocidal means out of hatred and vengeance is good when it's Jews against GermansHow does this make sense?
>Fucking no one is talking about the update anywhere outside of the Reddit and commcord>It's a collective ok/10 at bestDead mod.>>2391224Radlibery.
>>2391266On the plus side, the writers seem more than willing to allow pakt maxing so I care little about the events about how much the negroes or slavs suffer, So long as the map gets more blue and africa more white I care little.
i set up gamerules to have everyone side with me but colombia bugged and stayed with the pakt so i got cucked out of the good foreign policy treeit's cute how the portugalmaxxing status quo path is the best for social development
>>2391324Is there any civil war content? Or any war content at all?
>>2391354All wars factions have content now
>>2391354theres still the iberian wars but i didnt play to collapseaside from that it's just the old algerian wars, volunteers in colombia, (free) france and south africaand a war with morocco if you deny independence
>>2391324>the description remains negative even when you manage to turn a profit>Nerfs you as wellLol lmao polish? No sir we just chuck half baked shit out and call it a day
>>2391527Six months of delays, people.
Tried it. Played for a bit, saved my game, left for a couple hours, came back and the whole proxy screen was fucked and all the economy types were fucked. Kino
Finland status?
>>2391527speaking of no polish
>>2391588Classic tno development here I didn’t even bother playing honestly, I don’t think iberia should exist and idgaf about latam
TNO:RA update, I have had all but two event writers ghost me for over 10+ days, one of them had to be reminded that needed to work on the mod, and the other has been pumping out events even if at a slower pace than usual. On top of that, my RA devbuild of the mod is now loading into vanilla for whatever reason when it worked fine previously.I have no mouth, and I must scream.
>>2391624This is why skilled labor from India is needed.
Alright, new plan. I'm dropping the events file here, I'm going to crowdsource writing from you anons. The events beyond 42 aren't done, so those are the ones you should do. I've also attached a copy of an event as an example of what the writing should look like.https://pastebin.com/jZ9w8QaQ>>2391627No truer words have been spoken.
>>2391595No.
Iberia is the worst part of the Iberia update. The skeleton content/new Ukraine mechanic is unironically more interesting
>>2391636Bro you have been talking to yourself the past 5 or so times you've posted here. Why would you assume anyone here would want to contribute to your shit project.
>>2391682Sneed.
>>2391664>The best part is unplayable/mostly cosmetic shit and mechanics for a tag with a predetermined pro-German outcome Thanks I hate it.
>>2391595Tranny rework hell.>>2391596>You won't even have TRACES of fun or interesting alt-hist left when we're done with thisWhat even drives the devnigger to behave this way?>>2391664The mod is so dead that its last defenders pretend that tags without real content are a selling point in an update. This is so fucking grim man.
>>2391324>average poster in this thread plays the mod with the game rules set to make sure they dont loselmaoooo
>>2391755I mean you kinda have to with several of them since it's just rng otherwise. No gameplay gang.
>>2391765Why would you even play such an irrelevant shithole that it can get fully annexed through some other country's focus tree in the first place?
Anyone got any info on the Aryan Brotherhood rework?
>>2391770Dunno. You couldn't pay me to resub to the mod. I'm just explaining why ayrt does it.>>2391772A proposal was posted four years ago and that's the extent of their progress.
>>2391781Do you have a link to it? I don't see it in this thread but I know it exists and I've seen it.
>>2391782No but it's honestly just a short one that's a few pages long and completely irrelevant now. Main path would be more like a NatSoc Caesar's Legion instead of German simps, Hyperborea would be relatively unscathed, and a third path existed that'd be a SS LARP aristocracy in Russia. Obviously today this is never, ever happening. The nudevs hate the AB. The main path is likely getting cut or at best left to rot. They already removed Hyperborea's ideology in preparation of cutting that and you're mad if you think anyone today would greenlight an unironic esoteric nazism ideology in Russia today. Shame since I remember it sounding fun but I guess we can't have nice things.
>>2391596Nowa Polska was cool, original, and also was plausible. I can see displaced Poles taking over a piece of the USSR after it violently fell apart.Then TNO just replaced it with the Kazakh SSR for some reason.
>>2391822I’m strangely sad about this. Seriously WHY did they remove that. It’s not even a narrative changing piece of content to keep included and like you said it’s incredibly unique and cool. Dude what the fuck is wrong with this development team. I’d take a cool polish enclave in the steppes of the former USSR over walls of texts about native and nigger slave cultures in latam everyday
and you can't except anything new in Russia in the near future
>>2391834>WhyIRL politics and OTLism to the point where the loss of both major wars in the timeline are just afterthoughts. After Pacifica left the new guy in charge started the plan to rework all of Russia with OTL Kazakhstan becoming the first leg of it before they started to work on reworking all unifiers none of which have materialized after three years. OTL borders, OTL Brezhnevite leader of Kazakhstan in charge, you name it. This was in the aftermath of the invasion of Ukraine which is also why le evil Russians oppressing the natives is a major theme. You can even see them ending the explanation for the OTLism mid-sentence because they just didn't care. They probably said to themselves that they were removing slop but ended up creating one of the worst cases of OTList slop instead.tl;dr Nowa Polska died because realism.>do you have moreNo sorry only the story page was leaked at the time but it paints a clear picture.
>>2391889It’s just so bizarre to think of their reasoning. It’s a contentless piece of land. I naively keep trying to give this team the benefit of doubt when it comes to developing and removing content but this is a really stupid thing to remove. It would hardly interfere with the Kazakh skeleton just give us New Poland back
When is Requiem dropping their next update? Considering the fucking subpar TMT is it's likely to blow TNO out of the water again.
>>2391896Sorry, chud. Kazakhstan under the leadership of Dinmukhamed Kunaev exists on Wikipedia and Nowa Polska does not. They released OTL Mexico after this, by the way.
>>2391903THEY’RE CREATIVELY BANKRUPT. THEY’RE REWORKING EVERY TAG. THEY’RE FALLING APART. PANZER KINO CONTINUES TO BE BETTER
>>2391901Probably within a month or so based on teasers. Don't know if it'll be great but a new Russian unifier should at least be worth a playthrough.
>>2391904>Be a nudev>Take yourself very seriously>The shitposts made by a reformed former Stormfronter with troll's remorse based on a tabletop session keeps blowing you out of the waterHas to sting.
is it even worth complaining about tno anymore holy shit I feel like a cuck what a joke of an update what a joke of development direction what a joke of a team i hope you all kill yourselves for being worthless retards. imagine in the future if they actually release their planned "content" and its just the same boring shit as iberia. is nobody gonna fucking say anything to these morons nobody can even give some fucking pushback because they ban you for saying anything remotely negative TNO IS LITERALLY A FUCKING LOLCOW MOD
>>2391913yes i just finished an iberia campaign and yes its shit and yes i dont recommend it
>>2391913>is it worth itDSP drama has been milked dry as of several years ago. His streams and videos get hundreds of views most of the time and when detractors make content about him most of it's just remarking on something that has happened a thousand times before such as him begging for money in a retarded manner or being bad at a game in an entirely predictable way. Doesn't stop him from being one of the most enduring fixtures in lolcow circles despite the fact that most fans, detractors and a-logs have moved on. It's not going to be worth it to most people but it'll be worth it to enough people to keep the cottage industry of bullying the TNO leads going.>is nobody gonna say fucking anythingThe key thing about a lolcow is that they never ever take good advice. Anyone on the team that has tried to course correct has either been purged, left or is just hanging around in Doki for social reasons. Their reaction to the DV reveal is the most telling because the entire Internet told them that sucked: they went into bunker mode, banned tons of people, deleted thousands of comments and when people were done actively shitting on them they just continued like nothing ever happened. Typical lolcow behavior.
I dropped the Iberia run pretty early. It just felt like nothing. I have no goal other than making the line green by spending pp on minigames. The fall of Triumvirate erases all of progress in that department instantly and makes it even worse. Building screen feels pointless because you get what? 1% increases in admin efficiency for building one of those? There is no potential for any war or growth. I can't even send volunteers to Turkey or Italy.And it runs like absolute shit.
mid updateiberia is kinda ehiberian war trees are alright
>>2391927Can you post or at least describe the IW content? That's the one thing I'm actually interested in trying out.
>>2391918you can really tell the difference in quality between old trees and the new ones. the new stuff is alrightbut yeah gameplay is mostly just clicking the same 3 econ decisions and building infrastructure
>>2391929
I don't mind visual novel mods but the writing in this mod is so boring and obnoxious it puts me to sleep.
>>2391913I hate watch TNO development like I hate watch iDubbz and DSP lmao it really is a lolcow mod at this point. Even if you read the reddit threads the dev team is just milked for jokes. The mighty have fallen. We miss you Panzer even if you are a troon
>>2391985it's ironic how despite all the tranny hate the mod only really started falling apart after the trannies left
>>2391992... And except for the tranny-janny, literally all the the lolcows are liberal dudes. It isn't even a commie thing like some people say because the things that were interesting were often made by commies like Pacifica. Being able to recognize this has really become what tells tourists apart from regulars when it comes to observing TNO drama.
>>2391929You get small focus trees with a few events (although base Junta doesn't seem to get any events), the mechanic to manage domestic unrest and military buffs, and some pop up events with mostly missing loc. Its kind of a wet fart.
>>2391943>>2392019HEY TNO:RA DEV, HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO THE ASSETS YOU MADE FOR YOUR MOD, AND ARE THEY COMPARABLE TO THE LEAKED ASSETS?Sorry for the caps just want to make sure you notice this.
>>2391992>>2392007This is the funniest shit to me. Panzer was a Vaushite sperglord but very creative and inspired. Pacifica was a literal trans leftcom and was a great dev--Komi is my favorite tag in the mod. Now the ruling aristocracy of TNO is all radical-liberal guys who are addicted to OTLism and railroading.By any "outside" metric TNO's dev team is less woke now, but they make way worse and less fun content. Shit's nuts.
>>2392036Makes you think.
>Autarky is still a trap path>Caetano is still the only caudillo choice Are they fucking serious?
>>2392116They said facelift, not rework. You got exactly what it said on the tin.>But I was hopi-Should've known better.
>>2392116i still havent figured out how to make neoliberal path work either (without economy crashing) so only federalist! it's so annoying
>>2392130neoliberal? you mean opus dei or something later?
>>2389650Do you have the RFK tree? It's the only one missing from the 64 lineup.
>>2392132yes opus dei, which is basically neoliberal. the facelift makes it very clear that opus dei is neolib, federalist is keynes and the falangist is well, fascist.
>>2392178you need >75% debt to gdp or fuck up the post triumvirate recovery (by not restarting trade and raping yourself)
I am someone who has always been fascinated by TNO's ethnic map, as I think it's a really good way of representing the changes that happen in the world. In a TNO-derived mod I work on, I'm the guy who is responsible for working on the ethnic map. But regardless of all this, I am fricking mind-blown by the absolute bullshit TNO has done to the ethnic map mode as seen in the picture below. Yes I care abou thr ethnic map. NO, I DO NOT FRICKING CARE ABOUT THE 20+ MINORITIES LIVING IN THE STATE, MANY OF WHOM AMOUNT TO LESS THAN 0.1% OF ITS POPULATION. Is this what you spent the last 6 months on? Really???
>>2392420Really the half-culture thing they did is enough for most in-game states.
>>2392420>DomI think there is a pretty good reason I never heard of these guys before.
Anons in the other thread are having the time of their lives.
>>2392603Single handedly killed TNO's brief update momentum. What having gameplay does to a mf.
Gunther lost.NATO lost.TNO lost.
wait they're removing the SAW? That's literally everything that was originally advertised in the demo. south africa war, german civil war, atlantropa, giant lake victoria, burgundy. Wtf?
>>2392779They're removing all African content and replacing it with OTL skeletons.>whyDev is friends with the lead: >>2389698
>>2392781b-but germany won ww2
>>2392786You'll eat your GUI slop border skirmishes and you'll like them, bigot.
>>2392781>colony of angolathey pride themselves on their writing and then come up with these names?
>>2392806That’s literally just what they were officially called. What name did you expect?
>>2392831I think he means more that it's disappointing that with the endless blank canvas of alternate history they looked at the most boring shit our own timeline produced and went "fuck yeah that's the one we need".
>>2392831i mean thats "literally" not true, they were called provinces because salazar did his whole lusotropicalism thing to justify keeping them
>>2392865What was it called for the 400 years of its existence before that you retard? Do you know how cause and affect works? Retard?
>>2392420this was done by the same Romanian guy who did the Colombia skeletons, that's why he started adding these from there
>>2392791man i just want a nguema pan-african conquest path
>>2393046>nguemaunfortunately not happeningbecause he was pro-Spanish until the UN forced Spain to leave Equatorial Guinea, which doesn't happen TNOTL
Restarting as ulm because I thought it would be okay to build burger buildings once in awhile. It is NOT and you need to build up to the cap of waterwheels almost immediately, almost as much as you need to get a hospital right away, or else you become totally fucking stagnant. Orchards too.
>>2393110wrong thread anon. eu5?
Also new nudger icon.
>>2393501Meant to post this after this post, but whatever.>>2390762 Anon's idea of white settler states surviving, putting aside his barely disguised power fantasy, is quite interesting. I have some ideas of my own I'd like to give for GoodWinSon to implement concerning Africa, mainly concerning the white settler minorities. I was thinking that in the aftermath of a stage 1-2 Reichstaat collapse, Germany could support white settler minorities and get them in their economic sphere and as Einheitspakt observers.Outside of the Congo which can be directly taken over and reestablished as a colony, Rhodesia is an obvious pick, I'd like for it to be a proxy involving the Americans getting a choice between supporting Joshua Nkomo or Ian Smith, who can be changed to only be crippled and consigned to a wheelchair by his assassination attempt that happens early in the game, the Germans supporting Clifford Dupont, and the Japanese supporting Mugabe, whose ideology changes depending on how extensive Japanese support was (Ultranationalism, to social revolutionary, to social nationalism, to Pan-Africanism).
>>2393502 (cont.)Aside from Rhodesia, given how lightly populated it is, perhaps a German settler state in Namibia that joins the Pakt directly if the Boers are in the Pakt as well. Third is somewhere in East Africa, perhaps Kenya but that's under Italian rule, Tanzania is too centrally located, and Mozambique already has a proxy war. Perhaps modify the Mozambique proxy to have it the settlers aim for picrel.
>>2393502Barley disguised? Damn I thought I was being pretty blatant about my desire for TND. Either way, I personally don’t like the idea of the reichstatt because to me it’s just generic le nazis ebil grey blob empire number 3000. Propping up the old colonial empires and those empires gradually becoming like their master with settler colonialism and extermination plans in phases is way cooler to me personally. Plus when british or french content comes out it gives the player something to do with their army
>>2393504 (cont.)If Germany wins, there can be some small flavor events about Germans migrating to the colonies, and Anglos immigrating to Rhodesia if the UK is in the Pakt/independent under Thatcher. Given that content is now being extended to the early 80's, perhaps some silent changes to culture can happen over time to represent such a shift, i.e Salisbury becomes "Anglo-Shona".
>>2393511I don’t think smith would be a fascist but I trust your direction godwinson, You go king!
>>2393508You just have a bleaching fetish.
>>2393516Not GoodWinSon, but that Rhodesia screencap is a submod on the New Zealand Basket Weaving forum. Just replaces Clifford Dupont's portrait, name and loc with Ian Smith's, realistically he would be Revolutionary Nationalist given how radicalized he is by the Germans in the TNOTL, National Conservative IOTL. The reason he's Corporate Statist is because that's Cliff Dupont's ideology in base TNO and touching the characters file would introduce some incompatibility.
>>2393517Bleaching? Why would I want good blood breeding with monkeys? My intention is to create a segregated society where the negroes gradually die off due to lack of modern amenities, Not to make a race of neo latinos
>>2393520You're a retarded larper but you also like DV so no surprises that you're a dumbass autistic manchild. None of the things you want will actually be allowed to happen in the mod btw.
>>2393566The empires can be maintained so it’s theoretically possible. My thought process would be that this would be a long term thing, it’s not gonna be 2020 and kenya be majority white. At best if all goes well the colonies can be plurality white by 2050 and majority white by 2100It’s a lot easier for south africa to be majority white compared to kenya or rhodesia (even tho rhodesia is easier than kenya)
>>2393615>It's real in my headNigga just imagine a Reichsstaat where they get rid of all blacks and create Whitopia by 1980 then.
>>2393619I like my genocide timetables semi plausible thank you very much
>>2393615>The empires can be maintainedYou know it will only happen if the wholesome chunguses take over and let niggers run the colony for whitey
>>2393653Huttig and his successor killing all blacks by 1980 is more realistic than your larp empire surviving in the TNO world for a hundred years and both are equally canon since in game none of the fantasies you babble about will ever be allowed to happen.
>>2393665excluding the fact that the colonies can explicitly be maintained if you go fascist as britain, would you say that the east india company using local lords is wholesome chungus? To me if you have to obey a colonial viceroy and comply with settlement policies, That’s still an empire. The only difference is that the natives are the glorified tax collectors because it’s cheaper to deligate low level admin positions to natives. Speer does this in eastern europe, and still maintains germanic settlement programs, Does that make speer GPO wholesome or just pragmatic?
>>2393674Because britain and france maintaining their empires is just impossible, I mean sure, they beat the natives in the field 9 times out of ten and only abandoned the colonies after international pressure. But a giant mega state from congo to south africa where the population isn’t even 0.1 percent white is sure to exterminate half of the local populationGet real man, The reichstatt is gay, Having the nazis be eternal caricatures is gay and just bad writing. DV makes things plausible
>>2393706>DV makes things plausibleDV makes things boring on top of never releasing faggot
>>2393711It’s in the yippie leaks, The most recent ones. Yippie is coming out quite soon. The devs are lazy as shit sure but it’s closer than VNJ. Look just let me dream ok? Even if you think it’s boring, I sure as hell don’t, you can play actual traditional Hoi4 style wars against insurgents, And fight the americans in katanga as germany. Better than just setting up a battle plan as the us and just letting the war go on auto complete, The SAF has never been a challenge, easiest war i’ve ever played in a mod
>>2393250idk nobody talks about eu5 in the eu5 thread anyways. I'll just stay on topic here instead I think.>>2393722>Better than just setting up a battle plan as the us and just letting the war go on auto complete, The SAF has never been a challenge, easiest war i’ve ever played in a modI've never even met someone whose played as the americans in the SAF before lol I don't think the mod was originally intended to be played like that. The Don't Surf demo didn't even let you play as the majors, just the reichskommissariats and the south africans. Then iirc the german demo let you send volunteers after you won the civil war and it would be a hell slaughter because america was always in the lead and you had to turn it around asap but the americans still weren't playable in that, either. I don't think the SAF was ever intended to be interacted with by a player on america originally and it would probably be better served by a combined british and french command resistance.
>>2393756>I've never even met someone whose played as the americans in the SAF before lol I don't think the mod was originally intended to be played like thatAre you retarded? SAF is quintessential part of every USA playthrough. You had to get south africa to 90% cap rate to get the bad events as R-D and then win when you got the NPP president in charge which required mastery and a lot of luck since it was dependant on AI not pushing back the germans
>>2393706>Plausible >Germany winning WW2 strengthens the losing powers, Germany gets nothing, and they hold on to their colonies forever despite the nudevs telling you otherwise Yeah no victorious Germany pulling off a huge genocide is far more likely than your headcanon that isn't even supported by the dev team.>>2393722You're a fucking mark if you believe their release dates, they've missed literally every single one of them. Just look at the road map ffs.
>>2393777I'm saying that the african content was clearly not originally designed with a playable america in mind based solely on what was in the original demos.
>>2393798Because the demo was what out in a week or something because Panzer was retarded. America not being very active on behalf of its ally wasn't intentional it was a byproduct of the early demos being rushed to be released on a deadline set by an autistic man. Why do you need these things explained to you?
>>2393805>America not being very active on behalf of its allyThat's not what I said, they were very active on behalf of south africa. See where I said>and it would be a hell slaughter because america was always in the leadSAW was always very difficult by design and was heavily america sided up until at least toolbox theory, (And I haven't played since) in such a way that would indicate, based on the demo where america was unplayable and was just as involved, that the content wasn't originally designed for a player choosing to play america because the SAW would be completely trivial for america, seeing as players can micro much better than AI.>Why do you need these things explained to you?Stop trying to imply I'm retarded when you're having basic literacy issues.
>>2393813It's not a matter of literacy your point is just drivel. You're nuts if you think that America being playable for this timeline's Vietnam expy was an afterthought instead of something they failed to model for a rushed demo.
>>2393816So your point amounts to>But vietnam is really cool! How could they overlook playing a vietnam like situation as america?Whereas I'm pointing out balance both before and after the demo, which was identical for the german nations and south africa. The don't surf demo had exactly the same balance as the actual mod released later UNLESS you were playing as the united states, in which case the game is a complete sweep which you can battleplan, as another anon said quote>Better than just setting up a battle plan as the us and just letting the war go on auto complete, The SAF has never been a challenge, easiest war i’ve ever played in a mod
>>2393821My point is that this is how Panzer's development worked. Both Old World Blues and Don't Surf were undercooked, rushed demos. Similarly to Don't Surft having flaws, the South Urals tags have had almost zero work done since the demo. What you're doing is as insane as pointing to the sad state of Orenburg and trying to say that they were never meant to have a part in the Russian unification since their content and balance hadn't change to account for the fact that regional unification in Russia was invented after the demo was released. Meanwhile in reality Panzer was just a poor project manager and this explains a lot of the issues in the mod.
>>2393825>Both Old World Blues and Don't Surf were undercooked, rushed demos. Similarly to Don't Surf having flaws, the South Urals tags have had almost zero work done since the demo.Yet all of these examples have by far the best and most well thought out wars in TNO by a longshot.
>>2393830Yes the SAW is arguably the best war in the mod because the nudevs trashed all subsequent attempts to make any and the ones made since have been GUI infested messes. Their failures don't change the fact htat TNO's early development was ramshackle and troubled and that this explains a lot of their issues. TNO becoming even more dysfunctional with time due to the realism clique doesn't erase the problems that plagued the mod before they ruined everything.
>>2393833And despite that 'early, ramshackle' development it's still implausible to you that the mod could have been designed with the original intent for players to only ever play the nazis in the nazi victory mod?
>>2393836Yes and you're straight up insane if you think that they never intended for places like America, Russia, Italy and others to be playable, fuck off with that shit. You're just as utterly dumb and delusional as you'd expect from someone that shills for DV on white supremacist grounds to be.
What are the actual odds of Yippe! and DV coming out by the end of the year like the NuDevs have stated.I certainly would be surprised.
>>2393874ehhhh... 70% chance
>>2393869>You're just as utterly dumb and delusional as you'd expect from someone that shills for DV on white supremacist grounds to be.>This whole thread is one other person syndromeholy
>>23938741-5%.>>2393877Lethal overdoses of copium.
>>2393882Do you think anymore Updates will come out this year?
>>2393877>>2393882How is it that two different people can have that drastically different answers. There has to be an answer that is the most correct.
>>2393874About 40% or so, DV would be the one dragging the chances down, yippie is very far along
Looking at their Colombia “revamp”, I hate what they did to the 2nd Patriotic Army, taking out all the spice and just calling it a day.Before, the 2PA were criollo Nazis who wanted to make Colombia just like Germany using Nazi methods (for the most part). Now, they’re just “Laureanists”, hardline conservatives who look up to the previous guy in charge. Nu-2PA is hardly capable of capturing the imagination with the same strength and in the same scope as the old 2PA were. No more room for creativity or big ideas in Nu-TNO anymore.I would’ve actually been excited to play Colombia in general, but now I’m less so. What a waste.
(Nu-2PA for comparison)
>>2393924I had palingenetic nazis take over in Colombia when I played the other day. They were called the germanophile faction iirc and they end up joining Germany’s econ sphere and become a pakt observer
>>2393924you can still go natsoc you retard theres actually more “spice” now because theres more paths and not just one poorly made le nazi columbia path that constantly explodes into civil war. i get the devs suck but you retards just complain about everytbing
>>2393933>>2393937Wait really? I didn’t know that, my bad
>>2393927i think it's odd iberia can support them if the central government gets couped but they dont have a path to join iberiameanwhile new granada does but iberia cant help
>>2393933Please don't dignify the term "palingenetic Nazi". It's just some shit Lamounier made up so that he could delete every spicy ideology by fusing them with that and then handwaving it by saying that "it's more like real neo nazism" which makes no sense in a world where the NSDAP is still going strong.>>2393937In fairness it's not like the tag is playable (or ever will be) and he was just going by what they're showing.
>>2393906I can tell Yippe! is pretty far along no idea how DV is but I am hoping for a Q4 2026-Q1 2027 release like the Devs have stated but I wouldn't be surprised if it got delayed just like every update in this mod is. >>2393937There should be a guide on how to get every different outcome for Colombia and really all of LATAM, so many things can happen that change the entire trajectory of countries and they can end up in different spheres and with many different ideologies.
>>2393924>>2393927>>2393933>>2394006i remember the Ring of Sacrifice, but that's been cut along with esonaz
>>2394009>there should be a guideI guess your best bet is to dig through the country paths screen but I’m way too lazy for that. There might be stuff on the wiki too but I’m also too lazy to check
>>2394006I agree but we also shouldn’t dignify the term “spicy”
>>2394016Over the past couple of days I've been trying to become more familiar with the new custom game rules settings and I understand it a bit better now but I do think some autist with the time should make some flow charts for the greater good of mankind.
>>2394009It's funny to me that the Mangooner took over the mod and like a true third world low-IQ dictator he didn't just abolish elections but also siphoned all the mod's resources to his personal vanity project and the devs just go along with this like low IQ cattle. 4chan excuses this by saying>at least nuking Haiti is funnyMeanwhile nothing works any more, the old infrastructure built by better people is faltering and everyone that opposed the great leader is purged using the most blatant room temp IQ strong arm tactics imaginable. Once the vanity project is complete, he even says that he'll leave once all resources are sucked dry out of the mod. Or plans to, at least, assuming everything doesn't implode into a civil war over another talentless hack's visions of a vanity project. Either way, they cannot create, only lazily analyze what people who came before made and then struggle to copy the works of others in a vain hope of recapturing that spark.Essentially the real DV is how TNO is now effectively run like any other shitty, corrupt post-colonial dictatorship.
>>2394006It's worse than just "he made it up", "Palingenetic Nazism" is literally just nazism. Every strain of fascism is palingenetic, the "rebirth" of the nation and it's people is one of the only things tying them all together. It's like having an ideology called "Revolutionary Communism", like, yeah, no shit you retard.
>>2394186More evidence that suggests Lam is a midwit who thinks longer words make him sound smart
>>2394186Looking forward to "Nationalist Nazism" in V&J coming in 2029!
>>2394186>The leader of the realism clique that's more responsible than anyone else for all the reworks and purges is a retarded fart huffing moronCan't say I'm surprised.
Leakists leak Santa Cruz for me. Get moving.
>>2394186soon Financial Capitalism, Social Socialism and Millitarist Stratocracy will be added to TNO as well.
>comes to check on TNO after a few years>sees the OPAt this point it'd probably be more entertaining to make a HOI IV mod based around the antics of the TNO mod team and the constant conflicts they get into
>>2394708This has been a joke for years. The thread's baker even made a parody focus tree about it.>Years later>US and Reich branches barely progressed >Russian one had zero progress and the lead left after realizing that the team was toxic
Does anybody have the original Ian Smith portrait or the Rhodesia flowchart?
>>2386799What is TNO: RA btw? I'm coming back to this thread after a year and am kinda lost in the plot
Iberia is getting reworked. You heard it here first. It was discussed among the leads and the broader team doesn't know yet. Like DV and Yippie expect it to be heavily denied.>What'll it beSpain and Portugal just to make everything consistent with Current Lore and Standards.>WhyAll reasons for its creation will be removed with DV and it works better for all planned/existing colonial wars.>WhenSometime after DV. Realistically in several years/never let's be honest.>Then why does this matter?It means that no more work will be done on the tag outside of but fixing and that it eventually will hit rework hell just like Burgundy and that you'll have nothing to look forward to for years.I wish I had something more interesting to share. In closing: fuck DV.
>>2394838one of two different mods currently re-doing tno
>>2394838There are now two reduxes of TNO: Requiem and Rises Again. Rises Again restores Atlantropa and continues the Panzer-era development while Requiem is a pre-Antarctica build that's a middle ground between old and nu-TNO while adding lots of Russian content. People in the thread usually play one of these and both are good. Just pick the one you think sounds most fun.>>2394845>Iberia development will be dead for yearsSo it'll be like nearly every other tag in the mod? Gotcha.
>>2394750If I did I would leak it, I do have leaker contacts and even they don’t have it so it’s either in early dev or they really wanna keep it locked tight
>>2394845>removing yet another iconic tno thing to replace it with OTLismHATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE THE NUDEVS SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE.
whaty if germany lost ww2 re re redux
>>2394845So are they axing iberia as a concept and just bringing back portugal and spain as independent tags? If so then they wasted precious dev time on a tag that will have to have its entire content redone. You couldn’t have done this with the facelift now? Fucking retardsI don’t even mind the lore change, Iberia makes no sense. Just why would you do work on a tag that won’t exist retarded
DV and it's consequences has been a disaster for TNO. Integrating it was quite possibly the worst decision in the history of HOI4 modding.
>>2394897I disagree, Not out of any love for the devs but out of sheer hatred for sci fi parody nazis which is what og tno was It’s been 80 years treat them like the people they were rather than mustache twirling villains
>>2394899we sacrifice everything interesting for the sake of being generically evil in an office
>>2394896If the leak is even real then it probably went like this: the update was so far along when DV was announced that they decided to finish it but shit's obviously dead now. Brazil? Entire intro's fucked to death by DV so development died past a point. Ukraine? Germany had plot armor mandated mid-development and then all non-RK routes/endings died. There's definitely a pattern here.>>2394899OG TNO had them be fucking cool, dominant and a genuine threat to all who opposed them, a powerful force that reshaped the world to their liking, embarked on some of the greatest projects mankind had ever seen, and even laid the foundations for conquering the stars.You're throwing away all that cool shit for pencil pushing hyper-pragmatic bureaucrats that swarm Germany with Polish guest workers and fought WW2 just to grant independence to a bunch of Muslims and Slavs that were le oppressed by le ebil Russians.What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>2394931may be truethe update has been delayed not because of Iberia itself but because of shitton of latinx skeletons
>>2394899If you want to say that it makes the mod less iconic then sure. Whackyness was certainly an appeal when tno came out Problem is that no one besides the fatherland book has ever treated the axis powers like real societies with normal people within them. Modern TNOs value is that they take the kid gloves off and stop treating the nazis as caricatures of themselves and treat them as they were. Same with the japanese empire. Old Tno was retarded because they made the mod to be a “deradicalization” tool and then made holocaust porn which has already been done a million times by a million different jewish directors.You can say that it’s boring to be realistic and if you aren’t the type of person who likes a more grounded approach to alternate history I can understand that. But I really don’t want another story about hollywood caricatures of nazis and I want a story about the nazis as they actually were.
>>2394935False. The skeletons definitely can't have helped but we know that Iberia was being tested and going through hell on that front since March and that it was at least until late March that they managed to fix last year's DLC related crash issues. More likely than not people made skeletons while their last few remaining senior coders slaved away at getting the mod to work again.
>>2394938You're worthless and pieces of shit like you should've been gatekept out of the community. The mod was fun when it was just a light hearted sci-fi adventure. Now it's even boring as shit by your admission. It isn't even realistic because it's an amalgamation of fifty shitlibs political fantasies and no one will give a shit about it because it's boring as shit, has no gameplay and has permanently destroyed its reputation by alienating its entire original userbase in favor of a fictional audience that barely exists in the first place and - like you - have no interest in the actual game but rather in political sperging.
>>2394855That's a shame, but not too big of a deal. Made my own version, dropping it here for anyone in the thread who might want to use it.
>>2394931>OG TNO had them be fucking cool, dominant and a genuine threat to all who opposed them, a powerful force that reshaped the world to their liking, embarked on some of the greatest projects mankind had ever seen, and even laid the foundations for conquering the stars.How many man in the high castles or iron sky’s do we need as a society? The whole reason why nazis are the modern worlds boogie man is that we make them into star wars villains instead of realistic people with real goals and expectations
>>2394938>>2394899Finally a good opinion. Troons are seething rn.
>>2394955>>2394964Kill/stop replying to yourself. Make your own mod instead of ruining existing ones that people actually enjoy.
>>2394944I honestly don’t know why you’re so emotionally invested in whacky sci fi goyslop no.9000. If it’s really such a big deal that the mods setting became more grounded then go play RA or revert the game version I’m not even trying to sweep for the devs here because they are a bunch of shitlib fags who banned me from their cord because I was subtly praising hitler.
>>2394964Finally someone who agrees with me on this. It’s not likes these guys hatred of the devs isn’t warranted, It’s that they are such spergs that a single change will fucking buck break them. I remember the subreddit back in the day and it was filled with autists like these. It’s why they had a KF thread made about them in the first place (Tho I gotta admit the speer hoodie and the sonnenrad crocs were funny af)
>>2394975>I’m not even trying to sweep for the devs here because they are a bunch of shitlib fags who banned me from their cord because I was subtly praising hitler.Wtf i literally said this in the last thread by the very same words. Am a having a schizophrenic episode?
>>2394899100% agree, the workshop has for a years been overflowing with 'schizo' slop and overwhelmingly low-effort sub-pop history garbage that appeals to the absolute lowest common denominator drooling mongoloids. Just an endless arms race of who can churn out more 'wacky' paths based on midwit historical trivia or retarded popculture references. KR and TNO are honestly the only major mods where more thought is put into design than a 14 year old's rule of cool.
>same guy replying to himself back and forth to astroturf support for not playing the mod but appreciating the intended political messages of content that's never releasing Likgas energy.
>>2394953Cool portrait anon. Looking forward to DV so I can keep white settler states in Africa with familiar faces (yes I’m probably coping)
>>2394845No sir, I do not believe this.They cannot be this retarded.
>>2395024eyyy same here
>>2394931> Entire intro fucked to death by DVAssuming you're referring to the Lobster War here - please look up who Brazil fought in the Lobster War and compare that to a map of DV Africa. SAW can easily be swapped out for the Congo Crisis or something.>>2395025I don't believe it either.
>>2395026What else can you do on a sinking ship besides look at the fabric on the chairs
>Devniggers in insane pro-DV damage control mode
>>2395029why is it so hard for you to believe there are people in this thread who aren’t midwits like you? youre a schizophrenic retard holy shit nigga
>>2395027one of dvs first leaks reworks the lobster war https://files.catbox.moe/pjfb8m.png
>>2395035First time seeing this but it looks better than what we have now? Am I going crazy? Heil nudevs heil mango wir kampfen fur dv wir kampfen for calph
Make your shilling less obvious, devniggers. You had zero organic support when you announced your rework.
>>2395041It is 3 years old but I don’t think they have a reason to change it
>>2395027>Just replace the biggest war in the mod with OTL GUI slop over an African skeletonThis is why everyone hates you and the things you make. No one cares about generic African dictatorship #583297. Your OTList skeletons will never hold a candle to the guerrilla war between SS, Boers and Yanks in the jungles of Africa. You have no soul so I don't expect you to understand the value in something made by people with souls but you might want to think of why you get as much hate and pushback as you do whenever you venture outside your controlled hugboxes.
>>2395050>guerilla war>is a continent spanning total war
>>2395051I like to imagine that a lot of the fighting is done Vietnam style because that's such a kino image. Total war between the SS and America across a whole continent is also so kino though so I don't mind.
>>2395042>zero support>doesn't show images from tnocord (close to 0 people opposed it) or Reddit (mixed at best, even with deleted comments).They brushed off Twitter comments saying "they're all nazis duh, we don't care". If there were more people expressing negativity towards this abomination on Reddit, (coping rn) maybe they'd reverse this horrible decision
>>2395051It doesn’t even play like a guerilla war, all you do is send 6 choppers and you just win
>>2395055>They brushed off Twitter comments saying "they're all nazis duh, we don't care".Some of those people in the screencap literally have pride flags in their names or pfps
>>2395054I’m not a DV defender btw but I’m pretty sure we get guerrilla warfare type warfare with Americans and the SS in some of the other proxies like the Congo. I remember seeing something about Siegfried Muller having some kind of role in Katanga. I don’t think the devs will remove Nazi interventionist kino in Africa
>>2395055>Everyone on the places where we ban all dissent supported itTheir copes were hilarious.>>2395060No one cares about GUI slop.
>>2395066>No one cares about GUI slop.Isn’t that the entire schtick of this mod since Panzer
>>2395060Nazi intervention in the congo crisis still happens it’s in the dev diary
>>2395042>mongoloids with pride flags in their names hate it so therefore it's bad DV sucks but you don't have to use these people to back your argument up you know that?
>>2395070The existence of GUIs =/= everything being a Denmark GUI and GUI slop replacing actual gameplay.
>>2395054 Wow your head canon is just so cool dude! Let’s watch the burnt peanut when you’re done daydreaming about content written by a retarded troon
>>2395074The chuds hated it too obviously. It more goes to show that everyone hated it and even the groups the devs try to cater to couldn't stand it.
>>2395084Beats your Wikipedia copy-pastes, devnigger.
>>2395050Not saying it'd be good, I'm just saying it doesn't break the Brazil intro in the way the anon I was replying to suggested.
>>2395055>>doesn't show images from tnocord (close to 0 people opposed it) or Reddit (mixed at best, even with deleted comments).>the only place where TNO staff have full mod powers
>>2395092that would be a fair point But there would be a massive ban wave on their cord if it was a universally reviled update. I don’t think there was but i’m more than willing to be proven wrong here
>>2395085if they were trying to cater to twitter radlibs they would have made Germany's control over Africa always explode like it does in current content no? it's meant to appeal to spergs who like talking about postcolonial African history more than they do playing hoi4 (so like 80 people) rather than twitterfags
>>2395096>Have a culture of banning all dissent for years>"Strange, we didn't have to ban tons of people after making it clear for years that we'll ban anyone that disagrees with us. That must mean we're liked!"Or it could mean that the culture of infamous over-moderation has had a chilling effect and that what little discourse that exists there isn't a good sample.
>>2395098>It's meant to appeal to almost no one>The people it appeals to don't play HOI4>A good HOI4 mod was destroyed for thisYou don't hate nudevs enough.
Why are we dignifying the opinion of xtards? X is a cesspool of Indians, SSRI troon leftists and 14 South American white supremacists. Who the fuck uses X
>>2395098Let’s be honest here, How else could they possibly rework africa in a realistic way without DV? Your going to give the nazis colonies they didn’t even want and can’t hold for what? because the germans sure as hell know that they can’t match the US navy in 1945 and the US could easily just snatch the new colonies. It’s better for the germans for the americans to just recognize that the old colonies belong to the new collaborator governments, Certainly cheaper than maintaining a garrison half the world away
>>2395100Fair
>>2395118>ssri troons>south americansthats the audience TNO is seemingly trying to cultivate
>India and fucking Saudi arabia addedThat isn't->Russia removed as a superpower in modern times.
>>2395129Lmao posting ‘cado to get an own on a mods a-logging thread Honestly respectable lmao
>>2395129Wrong thread. Funny image though, I'm stealing that.>>2395132Get some glasses
>>2395122>Muh realismThe entire premise of the mod is unrealistic for fucks sake. Most of us are happy to suspend a bit of disbelief for a fun alt history scenario and some decent gameplay. It's this kind of thinking that completely destroyed the mod with half a decade of reworks that still haven't gone anywhere. The mod is now functionally dead, several reduxes have spun off and TFR is eating TNO's lunch. Whoop dee fucking doo sure am glad we killed off everything in the name of realism IN AN AXIS VICTORY MOD that's impossible without very generous assumptions and points of divergences that favor the Axis. It's such a dishonest and stupid argument to make and I'm sick of hearing it.
>>2395140I know it’s an ai image used to cover the actual hole
>>2395154an axis victory is improbable yes, But is it seriously so unrealistic that we have to get alien space bats involved? No. Just because the scenario is unrealistic doesn’t mean that germany has to act completely irrationally and demand things it never even wanted.
>>2395202>StrawmanAt least you're admitting that it has a snowball's chance of happening. Also if you want to make something that is a more grounded exploration of a Nazi state in a cold war you can do that. No one is saying that you can't. What the nudevs and their apologists are hated for is the fact that they hijacked an existing mod and started to tear it down to become a vehicle for this thing no one in the original userbase asked for. Why is this so hard to get through your head? Just make your own mod if you hate everything about the one that's on the Workshop.
>>2395202>demand things it never even wantedAre you implying the Nazis were consistent, ideologically and in their war aims?Is it really stretching disbelief to think a Nazi Germany that won on every single front wouldn't aim for more than just Eastern Europe?Why not take a chunk of Africa? Vae victis. DV doesn't even have the Germans taking a single historical German colony or any other strategic clay. Like I can understand cutting Huttig's über African Reich, but really? Nothing?
>>2395218That’s an understandable critique but here’s my reasoning as to why they don’t reclaim their colonies. for Namibia, It’s controlled by the south africans and the germans prefer them as an ally so they don’t press their claim, For kamerun it’s not particularly profitable and it’s filled with communist insurgents so germany doesn’t want to much on its plate and for tanganyika, its not in germanys strategic interest to cut off kenya and uganda from rhodesia. Germany still has a presence in namibia via companies and tanganyika via the german deko gruppe and its hired german guns
>>2395218Bold of you to assume the core dev team would develop anything on their own. We steal le submods here buddy. Take yo sensitive ass back to Kaiserreich
>>2395227The Germans doing neocolonialism before neocolonialism has a reason to exist is cringe.
>>2395245Germany is already spending tons of money on their eastern possessions and have had a stagnant economy since 1952, it’s reasonable for them to do neocolonialism simply due to the costs of direct occupation
>>2395227Sorry retard but Huttig who's scheming to set up a continental concentration camp is a more inspiring opponent to fight than propping up black military dictator A against black military dictator B over whose companies can have a 51% stake in a resource sector in Mbungostan. The inability of devs and their apologists to understand this is why the mod is dying.
>>2395349Its just schizo larp shit that only 13 year olds or people with a fridge temp IQ could ever enjoy. Lowest common denominator human beings.
>>2395361>You have to have a really high IQ to appreciate the leader loc in my static African Wiki scrape skeletonsThis is what you sound like.
>>2395370The Fridge Temp IQ retards are mad that their burgundy huttig fanfiction is no longer cannon
>>2395506>Bitches about people with low IQs>Can't spellNo we moved over to Rises Again and Requiem. No one here gives a shit about the mod you hijacked any more or what you morons think is canon.
>>2395132>get an own on a mods a-logging threadWhat do you mean? What are you talking about?
>>2394845Proof?
>>2395534If you moved on then why do you still care? You clearly haven't considering how upset everyone gets here. Continue to lie to yourself and have Kat Derangement Syndrome but don't pretend otherwise.
>>2395562Because people come here to a-log the mod and you devs. The fact that you still don't get it is why you're the lolcows of HOI4 modding. Yes, we dislike you devs because you're awful people. But almost no one here plays the mod actively any more and treat the thread like someone would treat a clipping channel for someone like DSP.
>>2395562If they play the freaking Kiwi Farms Atlantropa mod then yes they've obviously moved on from modern TNO. Doesn't mean they necessarily end up burying the hatchet though. No one's going to hate you more passionately than a former fan after all.
>>2395558There is none, that guy is just making a prediction based on how NuDev's are. I doubt they are actually going to remove Iberia.
>>2395590If anything they'll just make so Spain and Portugal start as independent and Iberia will be something that they can form in a path among other paths where they stay independent, collapse, become democracies, communist, fascist, etc...
>>2395590The rumor seems entirely credible though. He even says that it'll likely never amount to anything. It'll just be like one of the many other reworks that waste everyone's time that we'll learn about eventually. It's happened to all the other Triumvirate tags after all. If we're going to be charitable, then the post might be from a salty dev that got some bad news. Take it with a grain of salt obviously but it sounds plausible.>>2395592If it's actually real then a fun idea might be to create the conditions for Iberia's creation. Then they could salvage a lot of their current work while being consistent with the lore. If done right it could solve a lot of narrative problems caused by the DV integration. Not that I think it's a good way for them to spend their time but I can see the rationale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp89qnCh6vg
Event writing has picked back up on TNO:RA, I've taken things into my own hands now and events for the left most branch of the tree are nearly complete, overall that means 30-40% of event writing is done. Extensive dynamic loc has been made accounting for basically every single unique* Russian unifier.*That is, Yazov, Werbell, and so on. Novosibirsk, DemKomi, Matkovsky, and others are handled by pieces of generic loc that only reflect their ideology.
>>2395534What's the difference between requiem and rises again anyway?I've been out of the TNO sphere for a year and I forgot.
>>2395210Honestly that’s fair, Can’t even refute it. It’s a perfectly reasonable complaint. It’s just a shame that both desires can’t coexist because there is no mod that does a more grounded approach that is if the same (theoretical) quality as TNO If TNO was just a vicky 3 mod I don’t think people would be as mad as they are
>>2396106>requiemPost-panzer lore, kept by a team.>rises againPanzer era lore, mainly kept by a single person from kiwifarms (kinda like red world).
>>2396115Missing something? They should join efforts but I can perfectly see the why it wouldn't or shouldn't happen.
>>2396109It wouldn't even have to be a Victoria 3 mod. TNO is abnormally hated because they told a large portion of their userbase to eat shit along with all former devs that made the content those people liked to make. They would NEVER have attracted as many embittered A-logs as they have if they just made a "realistic" mod from the beginning.>>2396118They should stay apart. Then people who like Panzerite TNO can just play RA and people who like to also have Guangdong and TT can play the other one. It's just better for everyone that way.
>>2395562>Kat Derangement SyndromeKat's not even the worst retard at nu-TNO, that dubious honor goes to Lam.I miss Pacifica.
Any news on the Japan rework? Actual news? Is it being worked on? Conceptual phase? What’s the scuttlebutt
>>2396502It’s no longer releasing with China. They will each update separately. According to kat on the public Discord it’s seen some “impressive work recently”. That being said, I wouldn’t trust the devs when it comes to release timeframes.
>>2396406True, Kateryna's just the most visible lightning rod for hate both off and on the team since he's Lam's designated attack dog. Need to attack someone or ram through an unpopular rework? Just give it to your #1 hatchet guy! But none of that would happen without Lamounier's blessings and that's not even touching on how much of the mod he wrecked with his careless reworking and unlike Mango he isn't even unintentionally fun. Just the most dry office politics imaginable while the US rework has his Trump stand ins do shit like nuke random black people for fun.>>2396517Anyone that believes them at this point is begging to be scammed.
>>2396526>Pacifica made way better content than Kat>Pacifica is usually called "she" on 4chan>Pacifica passes much better than Kat (I'm serious, look it up)Do you think the reason Kat spends so much time seething about Komi and other Pacifica works is envy?
>>2396529That's been a thing ever since their first reworks got lambasted and their only response is to lift other people's ideas in an effort to get approval. It always leads to these one-sided rivalries with people that aren't even involved with TNO any more after moving on to bigger and better things. Like seriously do you think Pacifica would care about your botched attempts to get a Komi rework going? She works at Paradox now lmao.>Passes better I'd rather gouge my eyes out. If that's a sore spot I bet they hate Ashley too.
Kateryna just took over another tag
>>2396550>everything is one flavor or another of natsoc>even the ultranat Oktan just becomes nazi after winning>not even any interesting nazis aside from MAYBE nazbol-KaminskiBleak.
>>2396550Wasn't Moskowien supposed to be a dysfunctional basket case that would explode into a zillion warlords the second German control faltered?For that matter, wasn't Ostland supposed to have Kovner? Yazov funneling resources to him would have been beyond kino.
>>2396550>12th Moskowien rework>It's by the same retard that turns everything into Lamounerite snoozefestsIt's still the same shit where you just get to pick which flavor of pro-German regime you want with zero stakes or things to care about since they'll never even add in the 2WRW. Old shit with Kasche was way better but he was unceremoniously removed from the mod and everything went to shit from there.>>2396558They removed all of the problems with Moskowien including the partisans and the civil war back in 2024. Officially it's because it was because it was always bad and the retard making it was so stupid that he didn't know that the GCW was being cut. You know the usual smear when they want to sell you on removing anything exciting from the mod. Now there isn't even slavery there and Germany just uses the Slavs as guest workers. And yes Kovner's a contender in the Ostland CW. He was originally depicted as an ultranationalist doing a counter-holocaust but he was neutered and the OCW is being cut because nothing ever happens chud.
>>2396568>They removed all of the problems with Moskowien including the partisans and the civil war back in 2024.What the fuck? What happened to the Nazi empire crumbling and shuddering towards death? >Now there isn't even slavery there and Germany just uses the Slavs as guest workers.Did Generalplan Ost just not happen in this timeline? That is /pol/ level of historical revisionism. >He was originally depicted as an ultranationalist doing a counter-holocaustCompletely realistic - IRL Kovner wanted six million for six million, imagine how much further he'd be radicalized by TWENTY YEARS OF NAZI HEGEMONY>but he was neutered and the OCW is being cuThis is so goddamn stupid what the fuck
>>2396550Do they still plan on making Moscow playable or is this just skeleton? Also its kind of weird how Germany can have all of Russia annexed in its total victory scenario while Russia can only get Rk Moscow and parts of Rk Caucasia
>>2396570You must be new here. They removed many of the issues Germany had in the name of realism and to keep the country competitive in the cold war. OCW has been confirmed to be on the chopping block for years and the MCW was cut a while back. The TNO you seem to be talking about is dead, buried and only lives on in fan forks. Destroying Moskowien is one of the few reworks they actually pulled off after turning it into a static tag that just sits around and does absolutely nothing except for changing to an anarchy for 5 minutes.
>>2396572>Do they still plan on making X playable
>>2396574Not new, just mostly focused on Russia. I've never played outside it.>no slavery in germany at allDid Hitler press the "free the slaves" button or what the hell? Why would the Nazis give up slave labor (a key platform since 1925 at the latest)?
>>2396576Fredrick Douglas appeared in Hitlers dream. so he sat his white ass down and listened
>>2396558>>2396568>>2396570Belarusian communists would make more sense than an irrelevant organization of 100 Jews
>>2396584Sure, throw them in too. Blow up the whole RK. Make something INTERESTING
>>2396585wars aren't interesting, they're slop
>>2396591tno's best and brightest ladies and gentlemen
Here is why I play a war simulator game: le war is BAD acktually
>>2396591This is why people hate you.
>>2396591Slop is the TNO devs' favourite word next to unrealistic.They then proceed to either lift shit directly from Wikipedia even if it makes no sense in an Axis victory, or write the laziest, most uninspired alt hist you've ever seen.
>>2396550From the creator of "Nazis would never be able to take power in Sweden in a Nazi victory scenario", we get more fucking German plot armour bullshit.It's like he chips away at the plot armour elsewhere so he can do shit like this.Bleak.
>>2396591We all read how many times you used “slop” in the Iberia update events. We know how nudevs speak.
>>2396619I think it's the other way around. Lamounier let's his reworkkommissar do whatever he wants in his own fiefdom (some irrelevant tags with no major impact on events in any playable tags) at least with cosmetic shit like having a wholesome socdem government while things like Finlands cw go the way of the Dodo. But in tags that actually matter to Germany like the RKs it's just full on plot armor.>>2396626Did they use them in actual events? Cringe not gonna lie.
Trump's America? Worse than Nazi Germany.
>>2396695Mango and QPQ unironically believe this
>>2396629I don’t understand the complaint about plot armor when it comes to the RKs. I’m not trying to be mean spirited but eastern europe lost half of its population and most of their population is malnourished. How do you expect people who can barely hold up their rifles to win against a global superpower with nuclear weapons? Same thing goes for french or italian ofn membership, Germany is 100 percent just going to invade and put in a complaint government. To put it into perspective that’s like if canada went full stalinist and invites chinese troops to the us border. How would you expect the US to respond other than military intervention?
>>2396695Trvth Nvke
>>2386785
>reposting bait here for free (You)sxir, you forgot the wall of text
TNO subs - 597830TFR subs - 597336we might get TFR surpassing TNO by Victory Day
>>2396805Albeit Victory Day is today mr rutroon
>>2396739You're such an utterly hopeless, unimaginative moron. Everything you say is worthless and it's this mentality that's making everything the nuTNO team makes such a miserable, railroaded mess. And we all know how this story goes because we've had this argument before and people like you are always too dense and ideologically blinded to understand what makes for good content in a game. You'll tell us that Vietnam and Afghanistan don't count, insist that a statistically more powerful force will always win no matter what despite countless examples to the contrary and every other excuse for having nothing ever happening. You even give Germany in-game cheats to ensure that the intended status quo is never ever interrupted by something as trivial as player performance. Every other mod on the Workshop does that by the way. You're the sole outlier that deliberately demands plot armor and it's been such a complete disaster for the mod. And for what? It isn't even fun to play. Why do you even bother if you already know that you'll be railroaded to a victory no matter what? Seriously you people are the most pathetic morons out there.
>>2396808Go back to /uhg/.
>>2396815Go back to the meat cube.
>>2396825>>2396815>>2396808what does this have to do with anything you retards?
>>2396834Xhe's about to start spamming gore from a proxy again and jannies are going to do nothing and then accept xer's ban appeal (because xhe is also a janny)What does this have to do with TNO? DONT KNOW!
>>2396834First poster said that TFR would surpass TNO by victory day, which is May 9th in Russia.Poster #2 then seethed that it was actually the 8th, the western Allies date of surrender.Poster #1 then accuses him of being from /uhg/ because they're the only ones that'd seethe about this date. Normal people never do.Poster #2 then proves poster #1 correct by seething about Russia. Meat cubes is basically a /uhg/ fantasy about WW1 human wave tactics being used today.tl;dr a /pol/tard is seething and derailing a discussion and was made fun of, but they're communiating using brainrot language that makes no sense to normal people.
>>2396550Do you have ostland? either that or britain
>>2396840I hope you used condom when sucked him, otherwise check yourself for hiv.
>>2396877I know this is a common misconception in brownland where aids is an unknown thing but oral sex doesn't spread aids.
https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1t6ky8r/russia_might_have_a_chance_in_the_second_west/>check comments>constantly praising Germany as invincible, reunified Russia as doomed to fail in the 2wrwWhat the fuck happened to TNO?
>>2396885Massive self report, How would you be so knowledgeable in How aids spreads without either taking it up taking it up the ass or being a med student
>>2396877>>2396897ESL moment
>>2396897Americans take high school classes telling us how not to spread dangerous diseases.
>>2396902I’m an american, I’ve been thru sex ed, Not once did they tell us how Aids or stds worked on an individual level. They just told us to wrap our shit and that’s basically it I was like 10 when they taught this tho and it’s been a decade so I may be misremembering
>>2396885>in brownland where aids is an unknown thingWait a second so your argument is basically "if you dont have aids youre not white"? I kneel.
>>2396914You're either misremembering or it's become way more thorough in recent years.
>>2396896>What the fuck happenedEnd-of-history neoliberals once again pretending that everything is Iraq VS America in 1990 and seeing everything from the lens of a Gulf War psy-op.
>>2396931Prolly misremembering since I was a kid who could barley sit still, So I was probably not even paying attention
Who's your personal favorite leftist, centrist, and rightist unifier for Russia?>Zhdanov into Kardashev>Bastillard Tomsk>Matkovsky god I wish Shepunov were what his subideology says he is, because then it'd DEFINITELY be him
>>2396936they're right which is why it took a 2 front war for germany to lose in the first place...>>2396896angry trannies who hate russia because it wasn't real communism o algo
>>2396943>Far-LeftZhdanov or Yagoda. First is the most unique of the bunch but Yagoda's Dengist securocracy is also pretty fun.>CentristConDem Vyatka is pretty comfy, but Bastillard or Decembrist Tomsk also go pretty hard.>Far-RightRodzaevsky. Not exactly a place I want to live but I like his character arc and the tag is fun to play.
>>2396943What is Shepunov's thing anyway? Right now he's just a power-hungry monarchist, is there something else? I know he's ultranat for some reason
>>2396950Actually a very good point. If air power alone could've won wars, then why did it take massive land invasions to beat Germany and nuclear warfare to compel Japan to surrender? It's not like air power transformed radically between 1945-75 (2WRW estimate), but there sure were a lot more counter-measures in 75 like MANPADs, modern mobile SAM systems and far more advanced radar systems.
>>2396955Shepunov's a power-grubbing Japanese shill in-game, but he's meant to be a Black Hundredist or something equally radical. I think that's what anon is referring to. A lot of people think there's lost potential there.
>>2396951I don’t think i’ve ever played yagoda unfortunately But one thing that always puzzled me is who his successor would be considering it’s a state that seems so overtly totalitarian that the second he goes the party would just undo his reforms ala destalinization
>>2396958>but there sure were a lot more counter-measures in 75 like MANPADs, modern mobile SAM systems and far more advanced radar systems.None of which a few dozen disunified warlord states would have had time to develop, meaning that america would need to have focuses centered around lend leasing russia much like in ww2 in the mod so that a proper conflict can develop.
>>2396962Play him, he's fun. He's the strongest successor in the Far East but is still an underdog compared to the other unifiers out west so it's a moderate challenge too.>SuccessorYuri Andropov and Konstantin Chernenko would probably be good fits, unironically. They were both creatures of the intelligence services so you have a good natural progression from Yagoda and if it's in the early 70s both would be clear-headed enough to work as functional successors.
>>2396955Yeah, basically >>2396960 has it right. Shepunov is supposed to be a Black Hundredist who thinks the Nazis are cringe because they're uppity party-men bureaucrats instead of nobility and officers. He's an old soldier and his friends have been fighting the Reds, some of them, for FIFTY YEARS. Semyonov is the guy who introduced the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to Asia, actually.Shepunov's Russian Empire would not be a return to 1905, nor to the pre-1905 situation. It would be everything the Bolsheviks said the Empire was: ultra-militarized and jingoistic, relentlessly persecuting liberals (and socialists just get shot on the spot lol), totally autocratic without even a hint of democracy or popular input, with no place for Central Asians, Jews, or indeed anyone who's not a far-right Christian Slav.
>>2396963>None of which a few dozen disunified warlord states would have had time to developNigga that's 50s-60s tech. In game you can easily deploy it all before unifying the country and even if you want to de-gameify it we're not talking about something as complex as reverse-engineering nuclear fusion.
>>2396958In all fairness ww2 bombing was more about targeting industry and infrastructure, Wheras air power in the gulf war was used to assist ground troops for combined arms warfare The redditors are (kinda) right, germanys industry would give them an advantage in the air which makes it easier for ground operations to achieve their objectives. The only problem is that the russian strategy would be to wear the germans down with insurgents and attritional warfare so they can break through when the germans show a weakness
>>2396974That implies that the flavortext of any russian warlord state isn't "OH FUCK WE'RE ALL POOR AND HAVE NOTHING AND EVERYTHING GOT BOMBED INTO DIRT AND THE LUFTWAFFE IS STILL FUCKING BOMBING US RIGHT NOW". I don't think those poor people are reverse engineering nuclear fusion anytime soon anon.
>>2396981Tho russia has a population problem so If i was russia, The 2wrw would be basically grab as much territory as quickly as possible and take as many russians from moskowien as humanly possible and send them to siberia. So funnily enough the 2wrw would be more of a giant kidnapping operation rather than a full blown war
>>2396812The different is that Afghanistan was a mountainous land that provided 0 long term value and Vietnam also had horrible terrain plus the backing of the soviets and china. The rebel rks have none of that shit plus they are being genocided. America is not going to send anywhere close to the amount of equipment and support needed to help the rebels survive. Ukraine is pretty flat all things considered and the rebels have 0 allies that would be willing to start a war. And of course Germany would do everything in its power to keep the rks because they are de jure part of germany. I can't imagine how retarded one must be to not understand this. Bandwagon fallacy because el Zigger mod is doing must make it good.
>>2396973Fuck that sounds fun. Reminds me of Rodzaevsky in Red Flood.God I wish the dev team weren't what it is.
>>2396988>The rebel rks have none of that shitSounds like something for japan to do with all that industry
>>2396995when japan is halfway across the world and no nearby airports to use. Who wants to take a 12 hour flight to give some starving ukrainians some nambus?
>>2396995I don't think Japan would care that much plus if they did how are they getting it to ukraine. And also it would be incredibly risky and would further damage relations for no reason because Ukraine isn't going to last.
>>2396998The italians might give something but is a fascist italy really going to give communist or liberal insurgents money just to fuck with the germans? I guess it depends on the italy
>>2396971Correct me if i’m wrong but doesn’t the politburo pick the general secretary? and from yagodas content he seems at odds with the party over the SEZs. That’s why I was wondering about the successors since it seems like the politburo is against yagoda
>>2396963Russia could buy them from japan, Regardless of their government most trade routes that exist for russia are in the hands of the japanese. Even the port of magadan can be easily blockaded since japan has control of the entrance of the bay.
>>2396983I can get them in the field by 1970. If you can't, that's a skill issue.>MUH REALISMSkill issue + cope + seethe.>>2396981No one is saying that Russia isn't an underdog in raw numbers but it's still silly to robotically just use that as your sole metric when that's not how it works in reality. The Redditors understand this too and will tell you about how every Finnish machine gunner killed 500 Soviet soldiers a day each, but cease to grasp the concept that raw numbers aren't everything when they need to talk about a country they don't hate.
>>2397034>The Redditors understand this too and will tell you about how every Finnish machine gunner killed 500 Soviet soldiers a day each, but cease to grasp the concept that raw numbers aren't everything when they need to talk about a country they don't hate.it completely baffles me they hate TNO Russiathey're fighting the fucking NAZIS
>>2397012Yagoda can tardwrangle the party shills to go his way. I'm assuming that if he's in power he'd be in a position to hand-pick who'd become his successor one way or another. By the end of his story arc if you complete all his decisions and focuses he's pretty much completely dominated the state apparatus. Funnily enough, he's somewhat similar to what Xi ended up becoming IRL in a lot of ways despite originally being based on Deng.
>>2397036see >>2396950>>2397034>I can get them in the field by 1970. If you can't, that's a skill issue.You must be george bush jr if you think that a bombed out shithole is inventing weapons of mass destruction
>>2397036It's not as crazy as it sounds. On some level you might go that they're just making excuses like some liberals are for Azov, but when you get down into the details in-game Germany isn't that bad.>Abolished slavery>Defeated the evil Russians and keep them at bay>Reworks will grant independence to Belarus and the Baltic states>They work with various democracies in Europe to defeat le evil Russians>They no longer oppress the blacks and are instead ultra-pragmatic realists that work with native leaders to achieve their goalsI can go on, but you get the drift. Nazi Germany in TNO isn't Nazi Germany any more. It's much closer to what these radical establishment liberals dream of and want and has become more of a NATOwank than a Wehraboo meme. It's pretty insane when you think about it that this is where the reworks eventually led to.
>>2397046>Nazi Germany in TNO isn't Nazi Germany any more. It's much closer to what these radical establishment liberals dream of and want and has become more of a NATOwank than a Wehraboo meme.This is actually really funny. Who expected the real OFNpost to be Germany?
>>2397046LatinX Zigger hands typed this.
David Smith portrait, intended to take over German-aligend Rhodesia in TNO:RA since Clifford Dupont died in 1978 IRL. Current plan for the Rhodesian Bush War in TNO is pro-OFN Rhodesians led by Ian Smith, pro-German Rhodesians led by Clifford Dupont, and Mugabe as a Japanese proxy.
>>2397045I was actually talking about modern SAM systems and MANPADs in relation to anti air measures (1950/60 and 1958 tech respectively in-game). All Russian unifiers get a nuclear tree in their superregional stage though so I can easily get that too.>MUH REALISM YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO IRL THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED REEE REEE REEEWe might as well just delete the mod then since Germany winning WW2 requires a lot more suspension of disbelief than Russia replicating 1960s weaponry in the 70s using all the resources in Siberia.
>>2397048How am I the Z-tard when it's the TNO devs doing all these reworks and transplanting their IRL beliefs to a Russo-German conflict where they have no place? I play Rises Again anyway, at least that mod knows how to have fun with its premise.
>>2397053>I was actually talking about modern SAM systems and MANPADs in relation to anti air measures (1950/60 and 1958 tech respectively in-gameNo, you weren't, because I had already replied and said that I doubt they were reverse engineering nuclear fusion to refute your original point, when you replied 'erm well I did it therefore I can do it'. You are not replying to a chatbot.
>>2397055Being upset the Russia can't be big a strong when its been in a state of chaos for 20+ years. Pure Z wank. Where are they transplanting their irl beliefs lol. Rises Again is so ass I played the Italian Algeria path and it was boring as fuck and the focus icons were ugly as hell.
>>2397059True, a LLM chatbot would've realized just through scraping Reddit posts that Russia can build most of these systems in-game in the 1960s and adjusted its responses to talking about the mod's mechanics instead of coping and seething about what is and isn't realistic in real life.
>>2397064>uhm actually the devs inject ZERO of their own political biases!!t. dev wanting us to forget that the entire US rework is basically just Mango having a melty about Trump being elected at this point.
>>2397067>that Russia can build most of these systems in-game in the 1960sExcept we aren't talking about russia though we're talking about dozens of collapsing warlord states... lmfao literally an llm
>>2397064Nigga I just want to be able to win the war if I do well enough to win the war and not settle for picrel just because a dev felt that it was more realistic. It's not like TNO will ever add the 2WRW but c'mon it's hardly Z-tardery to want to actually have stakes in the game's supposedly most important conflict.
>>2397070The closet path to trump in the rework is like Yorty and its peak KINO. Besides that its just Mango's New Deal wank and the evils of neoliberalism which is funny considering you guys call Mango and the devs neolibs for no reason. Forget that old tno was made by generic progressives who made the most bland schizoslop out there.
>>2397074Yes, all Russian warlords can build them even before regional unification. They're some of the first techs you can research in-game even since they're in the 1950/60 slots. Have you even played the mod?
>>2397076Why would russia be able to take any land past Moscowein that's completely retarded. Its just Z wank and Germany losing does have consequences like different paths opening up (Communist revolution). When has it ever been stated to be the games most important conflict if anything a war between China and Japan would be much more important.
>>2397077>Panzer and Pacifica the commie troons were actually just generic neolibsProjection.
>>2397081>WhyBecause I won the war by encircling your divisions. Fight better next time, loser.
>>2397077>Forget that old tno was made by generic progressives who made the most bland schizoslop out there.TNO dev detected>>2397081>Why would russia be able to take any land past Moscowein that's completely retarded.I want my resurgent Russian superpower, that's why. Fuck you.
>>2397082Panzer was a vaushite so yeah a neoliberal but thats not even what I said I called them progressives. Learn how to read little spic or got play EL TFR made by the finest latinx zigger hands.
>>2397084Bro tag switched and deleted all divisions just to get his wank
>>2397086Resurgent superpower after 20+ years of non stop war yeah sure ok this is just the Z wank
>>2397094>TNO dev doesn't know how to win a war in hoi4
>>2397097>Resurgent superpower after 20+ years of non stop war yeah sure ok this is just the Z wankHistory is racist. :(>>2397094>Can't beat the AI>Can't even fathom how the others beat the HOI4 AINow that's a self-own if I ever heard of one.
>>2397098Everyone I hate is a dev is so overused like get a better insult little vro. Just because you live in a bubble where everybody hates TNO doesn't mean there aren't people who like it.
>>2386785>set up two major battles for the fate of entire continents in the Great Asian War and Second West Russian War>they never happen>why would the player want anything to happen?>we need to add 25 proxies in South America that you can just click through right now!I cant wait for Requiem to finally add the Great Asian War to the game.
>>2397102Nigga you just admitted to being so shit at the game that you can't even imagine winning as Russia. Of course people are going to bully you and compare you to a TNO dev who quite infamously don't know much about HOI4 as a game.
>>2397101I think the clear different here is that the russian government didn't stop existing for 20 years but keep posting maps that don't say anything.
>>2397102>can't play hoi4 to the point he can't imagine others winning legit>talks just llike a tno dev (calls things "slop" if they're interesting or fun)>complaints aboit "Z wank">"Yorty is Kino"I actually hope you're a dev, that would be less embarrassing than being a fanboy/hanger-on who sucks their dicks nonstop.
>>2397104Implying Requiem will do anything besides add already existing Russia submods. Comical
I think we can all take out of this that the nazis were right and that disgusting slavs of all flavors are subhuman and need to die.
>>2397108>The Russian government didn't stop existingExcept it did and then the country fought one of the world's most destructive civil wars against itself after having fought in one of the most destructive general wars and lost. Y'know, not that unlike the situation the country finds itself in in-game.
>>2397111They did though. They added a big South Africa update not too long ago.
>>2397107This implies that TNO is hoi4 when really it has since release been something entirely different. NuTNO is just continuing that trend to its logical extent.
>>2397117That was content from the leads submod he left.
>>2397111Unlike TNO they might stand a chance in actually completing a design for something without reworking it 8 times considering Requiem is made up of mostly people who have all been burned by TNO's shitty ass practices of constant changing of plans and reworks.
>>2397118>This HOI4 mod was never a HOI4 mod actuallyThis is the most nudev ass thing that's ever been posted, fuck off.
>>2397115Wow I didn't know that irl the Russian government stopped existed for 20 years I should really look back at the text books I can't believe this information escaped me.
>>2397121>The lead dev of Requiem finished his own South Africa mod and integrated it into Requiem so it doesn't countWhat moon logic is this even?
>>2397125The Tsar was killed in a revolution in 1917 and a unified national government did, in fact, not exist for several years after this because the country was embroiled in a civil war that killed millions - not unlike what happens in TNO. Unless you count the Soviet government circa 1920 which might as well be a Russian regional unifier in TNO terms but that hardly changes things a whole lot.
>>2397124Can't justify war goals. Almost all wars conduct through volunteer system. Heavy narrative focus. GUI mechanics that simply did not exist in hoi4 at the time. Most focus trees beside Russia tags focused on the political and economic side with little to no focus on army navy and air. And this was just TNO on release. TNO may be a mod for hoi4 but it very different from hoi4 so much so on release even people compared it to a visual novel. The fact it was originally going to be a Vic2 mod. Mango and other leads have really not strayed away from the original vision gameplay wise they have simply continued the trend.
>>2397136So 1917 to 1923 to be generous. 6 years vs +20 years. Hmmm I wonder what the difference is.
>>2397143Devnigger cope + can't hear you over how hard I'm reunifying Russia and enjoying other content that you've been trying to delete for years.
>>2397149Enjoy your visual novel
>>2397147The difference is that I'm much better at getting my shit in order after unifying the country than the red leaders were IRL so me winning the war despite giving the Germans a slight handicap is still totally doable and it's literally just a skill issue if you don't get it. Stop being bad at games, dude.
>>2397149Didn’t requiem delete the warlords? I don’t remember TNO doing that. It’s not like the 2wrw doesn’t happen, It’s just that it happens later after russia gets its ducks in a row so it can actually wage such a war
>>2397165Nigga what are you talking about? None of the mods have deleted the Russian warlords. It was never even discussed over at TNO. wtf.
>>2397165>It's not like 2WRW doesn't happen>It just can't happen in-game until we make late 70s contentTNO devs and their copes.
>>2397160I have no soul and I must larp ahaha post
>>2397160Russia has red unifiers you dumb fuck why do you expect an unprepared power to wage war after rebuilding from the previous one
>>2397172Nvm, sorry about that it was an april fools post. I took it seriously because they apparently don’t know that april fools is on the first and not the fucking second
>>2397177You dumb bastard it's a HOI4 mod, stop coping and seething about it being real life. No one that actually plays the game is this anal and as countless people have already told your ilk: if you're going to be this anal about historical plausibility just delete the mod already because an Axis victory isn't exactly high on the probability scale either.>>2397180Sounds like they were just making fun of TNO's reworkitis.
>>2397180Its because they work on Requiem and thus automatically are slower than the average human.
>>2397174I just came out of a civil war and half my country is in ruins and the other half is cripplingly poor, Let’s declare war on a foreign power!
>>2397187Could be worse. Could be TNO. I hear that they're still reworking their April fools post.
>>2397185The only person is coping and seething is you.
>>2397188Yes.
>>239718820+ year long civil war as well
>>2396570>Did Generalplan Ost not happen.It is still ongoing. The third five year plan (of five stretching 25 years total) is just wrapping up at game start. >>2396576>Why would the Nazis give up slave laborBecause hardly anyone in Germany cares for the presence of so many Slavic forced laborers in Germany proper? The SS and the Party don't like it for political reasons for the latter and racial reasons for the former. German companies resent the gaps in their skilled German industrial labour force being filled in by untrained, often uneducated Slavic peasants. The only place where they are truly considered of good use to the Germans within Germany is in agriculture and even that is more due to the fact that German agriculture is still labour intensive and not as mechanized as their Anglo-American counterparts. As that changes, even the presence of Ostarbeiter in agriculture is decreasing. In the eastern RKs however, such work is still relatively common. >>2396988>The RKs are de jure part of Germany.No they aren't. They never were, not in real life either and they were never intended to be. They are defined as civilian occupation administrations. Indeed, the fact that they even still exist by 1962 in TNO, is I think, more so for gameplay purposes than anything else.
>>2397193>Yes
>>2397188>>2397194>They should've added several decades of reconstruction downtime to satisfy my thirst for realism in an Axis victory modIt's thinking like this that'll lead to TFR surpassing you in sub count within 24 hours.
>>2396550>Kateryna's reworks leak again>Thread is once again flooded with nudev apologiaI'm noooticing a pattern.
>>2397200Them being able to take moscowien is perfectly fine but anything else is really stupid. 2WRW but 76 is good because its plausible enough
>>2397202Because its peak is there a problem with acknowledging that? Sorry that you have Kat Derangement Syndrome hope you get better
>>2397204They should be able to take whatever makes sense based on their performance. If they reach Prussia, they should be able to get something closer to the Soviet borders. If Germany reaches the AA line, they should get the AA line. If something in between happens, have it be a white peace or a Moskowien peace deal. Me getting everything up to Poland is realistic because the AI is trash and I encircled all its divisions.
>>2397207>A dozen nearly identical pro-German outcomes and no gameplay in a skeleton is peakThe old MCW was better than anything you'll ever make and Scood/Anna passes better than you, sorry.
>>2397046Feel it's prudent to mention that Belarus is not native ruled like the Baltics are, it's a military district (and basically hell on earth outside of Minsk).
>>2396576>Why would the Nazis give up slave laborIt never existed in the first place. Ostarbeiters were paid and sometimes more generously than in the ussr.>a key platform since 1925 at the latest?
>>2397212KDS in action
>>2397216This is a level of apologia that most /pol/tards would feel ashamed to engage in.
>>2397220There are literally authentic german documents (Goerings Green Folder) proving that. Yes, you should read something related to the topic before starting a conversation about it.
>>2397187>implying TNO can do anything faster than RequiemRequiem has only existed for a year everything that happened before that no longer is relevant. Within one year they got two updates out that each were decent and they're on the verge of a third update that's also going to be decent.Compare that to TNO which is actively going backwards and then tell me Requiem's slow. TNO took three IRL years for two five year Brazillian presidents, Requiem has only been around for a year.
>>2397244The fact you didn't understand what I meant by slower proves my point.
>>2397252the only speed comparison you can make is with TNO itself; and in that context Requiem isn't slow.
>>2397257Actually Existing Down syndrome
>TNO enabler calling anyone else slowFinish Pandora's Web already.
>>2397277 (me)>It's been so long that I forgot that it was Penelope's WebI feel older than the roadmap and the roadmap is at least sixty years old.
>TNO's lead is less than 200It's happening
>>2397200Dude it’s a fucking mod who gives a shit, It’s not like we’re paying for it
>>2397340The people who play the mods care. Or in TNO's case, the people who stopped playing because of their endless and pointless reworks.
>>2397220They were payed, Hell its even mentioned in schindlers list, Oskar schindler “hired” jewish workers because he didn’t have to pay as much to the ss for the privilege, Poles actually got wages 14 marks a day I believe
>>2397357The SS Controlled all forced labor in the east and then rented out the labor to companies. They also controlled the settlements and the police (which is delegated down to collaborators) This is why so much of the new RKs plots revolve around SS corruption getting uncovered, they control almost all of the east’s economy and you bet plenty are taking massive bribes for the privilege of cheap labor
Are we getting more Yippie leaks soon?
>Timeline where Nazis won>Not a single Strasserist in the worldAdmit it, this is stupid. In our timeline, there were Trotskyists when the USSR won.
>>2397581We know from old leaks that there were plans to add Strasserist content such as Helldorff in Mosk having SA bent but all of it's gotten reworked or otherwise destroyed.Sorry.
>>2397586helldorf is still kinda strasserist per the most recent leak
>>2397610None of that shit will ever be playable and it'll barely even be represented cosmetically.
>>23972442 of those updates are submod integrations, and the other got half its content cut, it being less shit doesn't make it not shit
>>2397619That's literally how KX got started and unlike what TNO does it's at least something that makes the world better like more Russia content.
>>2396840Correction, poster 1 went to bed and it was another person
>>2396550Now we wait for Ostland. Predictions? Was the 3 Baltic protectorates, Belarus military government and decentralized Ostland in Riga an actual credible leak? Kat was saying in the discord that he “doesn’t like the TFL setup for Ostland” but he is a known liar.
>>2397683It may not be accurate today, but we're pretty sure it was accurate at some point. Personal predictions? German colonies that spin off into native collaboration governments, civil war completely cut and nothing ever happens.
>>2397692Civil war was confirmed cut years ago. I wonder if anyone saved the updated Jeckeln tree they promised.
>>2396805TNO subs - 597830TFR subs - 597752LMFAOOOOOOO GEG
>>2397705Didn't expect this to happen so soon
>>2397705KWABOTYNow how long until OWB overtakes them?
>>2397749>533KHuh, you're right. It's not far off. And if I recall correctly they have been doing well recently. It'll be interesting to see if TNO starts to beef with OWB too then like they started to wage a war against EaW not too long ago.
>>2397692Think it will be the protectorates, Hitlers death leads to a minor rebellion in belarus that gets crushed by the collaborators I honestly don’t know what paths could really exist here, Do the protectorates have some sort of tripartite assembly that counterbalances the reichskommisar? Unlike the other RKs there is no real reforms for the baltics since there already in a good position The baltics are the primary trade hub where all eastern european raw materials and goods get shipped out to european markets so ostland could be the guandong of the east, specializing in trade and high tech commodities. Guandong style gameplay would probably work best for the baltics considering their relative security compared to the other rks
>Progressivism - Utopian Socialism>Socialism - Social Democracythis seems wrong but i can't quite put my finger on whymust be my imagination
>>2397767Oh I can explain this one, Social democracy in the tno tl is Democratic socialism, what would be social democracy is reformist socialism. There is some weird historical technicality I don’t wanna get into that caused this name changeUtopian socialism is not actually socialist in the traditional sense. It isn’t in any way inspired by marxism, It’s actually older, created by a french thinker called saint simon. It’s basicaly a mixed economy that uses the state to redistribute wealth to the productive elements of society, both workers and businesses owners. The only people it doesn’t distribute wealth to is those who produce nothing IE the lumpenproles and the aristocracy
>>2397705THE FIRE RISES HAS JUST PASSED TNO IN TOTAL SUBS!TFR SUBS - 597865 TNO SUBS - 597855
>>2397767A dev moved Social Democracy from prog to soc a few years back because of personal politics. That's it. What the other anon says is technically true, but it's actually just nonsense. When this was announced anons made fun of it because its justification made no sense since the split between socdem and communism is unaffected by the PoD. There are anons that can explain it better than me, but the entire thing is an asspull rooted in a devs personal political preferences. He just swapped it and Reformed Socialism around and lazily called it a day out of personal preference. Ultimately it doesn't affect anything. Honestly if they hadn't tried to explain it the way they did at the time no one would've cared.Utopian Socialism has nothing to do with any of the aforementioned ideologies afaik and I don't remember there being any silly drama about it. It ended up where it is independently of anything else. Iirc it was meant for a Russian tag originally.
>>2397811Timing is hardly a coincidence.
>>2397811>>2397856The New Order giving way to a new order as it falters.
same niggers that still haven't released an update of any significance in the past 3 years
>>2397866>TFR adds two major masked leaders>Endless seething You'd think they'd do more oppo research into the things they hate so that it'd at least not be obvious that they've never played it. This is like if someone here would accuse TNO of having riveting gameplay and exciting, well-balanced wars that make great use of the base game's mechanics.
>>2397811>Down to 53 at the time of writing They're giving up. The race to 600k is over.
Will we see reprisals from the jannies?
>>2397869>Down to 51 at the time of writingIts what placing a bunch of envious communists in charge of the mod does to it, its a big shame
>>2397866He’s right though. Majority of tfrs content is just sitting around waiting for the Europeans wars or great Asian war. Only america is actually intresting
>>2397879They aren't even commies though, they're rad centrists. In fact, I wish they were insane commies. Maybe then we'd get more interesting outcomes than nothing ever happening.
>>2397867>content is so boring compared to TNO!!!!>tno content is sending volunteers to 50th Mbongustani civil war and making sure the gay green line goes up>its so railroaded>at least in tfr you can choose your laws
>>2397881He doesn't believe this though. The mod he's a lead on has you wait around for 10+ years not for a big epic war but for a final preachy event to drop. I don't disagree with your take on the Euro Wars but this guy would happily sit around for 20 in game years looking at predetermined graphs and call it the best thing ever.
>>2397882i would imagine it would become a second BTWH and regardless they accept the same premise as the communists, they're just stupid enough to not accept it to its logical conclusion>>2397881fair, but the same criticism applies to TNO and these "people" can't research their oppo
>>2397883I hope R and RA let us change laws eventually, at least for tags in Russia. I'm fine with some railroading there in places like America where it makes sense you'd have to deal with Congress but seriously, a dictator in Russia or a German RK? I just wanna change my conscripting laws for the few wars that actually exist.
>>2397867>>TFR adds two major masked leadersThat's two too much
>>2397927They got it from you guys and have since announced that they want to ground both of them into actual people so I don't really see what the issue is especially when it's such a small part of both mods. It really comes across more as a cope from someone that's never touched the mod rather than genuine critique. TFR has a lot of issues, but he's never going to touch upon any of the actual ones because he's both clueless about the mod and would be casting stones in a glass house if he brought up most of them such as the European railroading and lack of player agency in several conflicts.
>>2397933>They got it from you guys>Posts a pic of the most known Russian serial killer who became a meme due to his irl persona and compares that to a literal OC Holy media literacy >especially when it's such a small part of both modsYea because being the leader of the only two european nations with content is such a small part. >have since announced that they want to ground both of them into actual people so I don't really see what the issueYea only after I presented my critique and demolished you and the rest of shills in a marketplace of ideas. The thing with you people is that you're not capable of thinking and your modus operandi is just defending anything tfr does. You have no unique opinions at all
>>2397964>bitching about media literacyStopped reading and you should stop huffing your own farts, nudev.
>>2394938My nigga if u want to play a "realistic" Ger victory go play TWR, runing the bases of Tno just cuz muh i dont like this delete everthing make it bland and "real" NOW !!!What is so bad about having sci fy elements its not like the old devs abuse it , they always prioritized the "realism" ( despite falling like Gobels ) ger winning is already unrealistic.
>>2398042Nayrt but learn to write and format correctly. And stop using that dogshit "errmm a german victory is already unrealistic!!!" argument, you can make a german victory mod that is both grounded and plausible despite its initial unrealistic premise, it doesn't have to go all Wolfenstein sci-fi. Mind you, I'm not defending the NuDevs but there are much better arguments you could use instead, like the fact they hijacked an already existing popular mod and began changing it into a a boring personal shitlib fantasy against the fans' wishes. Lastly, TWR is shit, especially after their new update. Funnily enough they seem to be falling into the same trap TNO is, at least from the little I've played.
>>2398056Shut the fuck up, devnigger.
>>2398059Are the devniggers in your walls too?
>>2398056>it doesn't have to go all Wolfenstein sci-fiOk this is just a stupid comparing game were literally Gers somehow reversed engineered alien tech that was found on some vault than make mechs dominating the whole world having space spichs and colonozing planets, to fucking tno is just retard where probally the most sci fi thing u may have is atlantropa and even that is more real than wht u haping
>>2398238There was no alien tech, it was a secret jewish society that invented things and then nazis came and stole it. No joke, thats the plot.
You know, what really gets me about VP is that it could have been good America content in another mod. The obvious political bias and railroading and whatnot prevent it from even getting close to great, but stuff like the Goldwater and Humphrey trees show some potential. But the fact that they're tearing up actually interesting stuff like the NPP and RD's just for some OTList slop to seethe about Trump is what really kills it. Unironically that Requiem proposal/teaser from a while back at least showed some creativity, even if it needed more time in the oven.On another note, I've noticed QPQ's trees seem weirdly disjointed or aimless or something? I can't really explain it but his trees just seem subpar compared to the aforementioned Goldwater and Humphrey ones, and even the Reagan one. Those ones at least have some goal, Humphrey's union strengthening and plannification of the US economy, Goldwater's libertarianism (for the most part) and hawkishness, Reagan's law&order and privatizations, those sorts of things. Compare them to Nixon and Yorty and Schlafly, what is your objective there? Schlafly is the "better" one from the tree in that sense, but I still find it a bit disjointed and aimless, Nixon's comes in second but it's disgustingly boring (raise the minimum wage to 1.75, abolish arts programs, meet police unions wow) and way too small scale stuff. Yorty's is the worst in this aspect, the only interesting thing you do is in that FBI subtree, the rest is just some minor regulations and urban shit. I guess another problem is the lack of ambition in most of his trees? There's no big goal to pursue, no grand ambitious destination, you just focus on some small fuckass bills, which I guess fits the characters (Nixon and Yorty, Schlafly at least gets to nuke shit and abolish the Federal Reserve), or the conception of them the devs got in their heads, but it's still awful as actual content to play.
>>2398424 (me)Forgot to mention the JFK tree, also designed by QPQ. It may be an old leak but Jesus Christ, that one is absolutely the worst one. I mean, just look at it, four focuses dedicated to the most boring, small-scale shit you'll ever see. The rest of the tree is similar too, and this is from when JFK was supposed to be a two term President. This is supposed to be a tree for a superpower btw.
do we have all the possible president names in Yippe rework?
>>2398424>>2398433why did they rename vote pig to yippie anyway?
Is this still the Algeria set up? When is it coming out? If it’s coming with the French update then that’s we can guess never. An optimistic guess could be during the German update since France won’t have Burgundy anymore and they are going to replace the Burgundy war with Algerian collapse. Could be old news
>>2398688Two theories.1: Election Swine was just the name for the proposal, Yippie is the actual update.2: People made fun of it even on the team when I was there in 2022 and Mango eventually got mad and changed it.Everything that the Mangooner names is just a lazy surfce level reference to contemporary politics anyway like his Ugly American update.>>2398691>Is it stillIt's probably been reworked at least a bit due to DV and the French empire being revived.>WhenAfter GTA6.
Why is Ordosocialism treated as such a completely insane breach with Marxism when Marx and Engels wrote shit like this?>But at the first victorious uprising of the French proletariat, which Louis Napoleon is striving with all his might to conjure up, the Austrian Germans and Magyars will be set free and wreak a bloody revenge on the Slav barbarians. The general war which will then break out will smash this Slav Sonderbund and wipe out all these petty hidebound nations, down to their very names.>The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward.
>>2398705For that matter, Bakunin and Proudhon were antisemitic as fuck. Most of the early leftists were like this.
>>2398705On one hand it's likely because Pacifica was less of a political sperg and oftentimes just wrote what she thought was fun or interesting. But also it's pretty much just nazbol in-game and this is in a timeline where a lot of those nationalist ideas destroyed Russia via Germany. There's an early event in Komi where Suslov (I think) reacts in that way after reading what Serov writes. So it makes sense. In-game commies react negatively to Pacifica's NazBol meme ideology.
Hi everyone.Former greytide for Iberia here.Never thought I would see the day when the focus trees I wrote years ago would release.Only decided to check on this mod to see what it was doing while ruminating over Guangdong. Has anything happened?
i haven't played tno in a long time how does new finland minigame work? do i just need to wait until murmansk revolts?requiem btw
>>2398705marxist hitlerism all the way
>>2398705very few people in the USSR had access to Marx and Engels' early and anti-slavic writings. they were, as you can imagine, not widely disseminated or translatednow imagine that in the collapsed madness of TNO Russia
i looked away for one second
>>2398885honestly i am surprised TNO still puts out content if any of what it does can even be called content
>>2398885At least your stuff is finally out. Most people got what they made thrown out in pointless reworks that never went anywhere or stuck in some other kind of dev hell.>Has anything happened Not really and that's the problem. Dunno when you left but the mod was hijacked what people in the thread call a realism clique. After that anyone that wasn't "in" got purged and the mod entered a terminal state of rework hell after that.
>Less than 250 subs until TFR wins the race to 600K which is an official contest and not a memeCan Mango still clutch it with another underhanded scheme? And if not, will he do the right thing and resign, or pull a W (43) and demand recount after recount?
>>2399101Literally how is this news at all? The fact that some more people subscribed to TFR because it's the hip hop new mod in town and is stylish the first playthrough until one realizes the game plays out literally the same way every time, means nothing. It doesn't mean anything for the mod. It doesn't mean anything for the TFRdevs. It doesn't mean anything for anyone. Why are you so obsessed with TNO? Why not compare TFR's subscriber numbers with Kaiserreich, for example? You don't because there's no obsession with Kaiserreich, but there is an obsession with TNOhate.
>>2399102>>2399017Getting lazy, devfag. But I guess it makes sense that you'd flee here since you already got some hard rebuttals in the other thread where you posted the same message out of impotent rage: >>2399030 >>2399096
Anything but getting a job and being a useful member of society!!
>>2399102I mean KR doesn't have constant drama both within its community and between other hoi4 modding communities like TNO does. Its just an aloof dinosaur of a mod that keeps tinkering with China in the privacy of its own discord server. TNO on the other hand is a constant disaster that invites hatred and obsession in equal measure. That being said everyone in this thread is a total faggot for devoting even a second of their thoughts to TNO in the year of our lord 2026, including me, although I just come here every few months to lurk and get a feel of what weekly gay drama is going on with TNO's bloated, rotting corpse.
>>2399170Why would you admit you are as much of an unemployed faggot, and then pretend you are not in the same paragraph?
>>2399182idk where you got the unemployed thing from. Its pretty easy hold down a job and spend like a half hour reading through a thread every few months. The real unemployed are the troglodytes that regularly post in this thread and have perfect knowledge of the entire tno dev team and their interpersonal dynamics.
>>2399170>I don't care>Also I care
>>2399194Yeah my life would be better if I wasn't in here at all, but I do think its fair to say I'm in a better place mentally than the regulars here
>>2399196The fact that you feel the need to flaunt your mental health against autists on 4chan is probably a good sign that you need to just go away for good and re-evaluate your entire life.
>>2399193True, but saying you don't care and immediately saying you care is weak behavior
>>2399198I'm not really flaunting my mental health, just pointing out the obvious. I appreciate that you're so concerned about me, but you should probably take your own advice there.
>>2399200I included myself in the group of people that should stop caring, but also I figured it was important to say why I'm even in this thread to begin with. If I left it at everyone should stop caring then I'd be just some faggot pretending that I don't care at all.
>>2399201God you're an insufferable, pretentious faggot.
disregarding all the autistic internet drama about tfr o algo Does anyone have some actual TNO leaks? I’m mostly looking for europe stuff but sphere stuff is also appreciated. Even if it isn’t any of those two just leak it so I can archive it because the thread is populated by retards who don’t know how to save an image
>>2399232There's nothing of value to leak. All they have are charts that'll be reworked anyway and lost of these guys that are left have no idea how the game even works.
>>2399240Well leak them regardless, I’m a guy who just likes to archive them.
>>2399246especially uk shit, we have nothing
>>2399254There is nothing. Frost is useless and all the people that actually worked on Britain are purged.
I miss Ashley
We all do.
>>2396529Did Kateryna ever get face doxed?
>>2399314No but the devs info (what we’ve found anyway) is on the sharty wiki page
TFR has officially won the race for 600K.
V I C T O R Y
>>2399170That and the fact that Kaiserreich has 1.2 million subs, which is really far away
>MANGO TO HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE AND GIVE A CONCESSION SPEECH AFTER LOSING THE RACE TO 600KMANGO TO HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE AND GIVE A CONCESSION SPEECH AFTER LOSING THE RACE TO 600K>MANGO TO HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE AND GIVE A CONCESSION SPEECH AFTER LOSING THE RACE TO 600KMANGO TO HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE AND GIVE A CONCESSION SPEECH AFTER LOSING THE RACE TO 600K>MANGO TO HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE AND GIVE A CONCESSION SPEECH AFTER LOSING THE RACE TO 600KMANGO TO HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE AND GIVE A CONCESSION SPEECH AFTER LOSING THE RACE TO 600K>MANGO TO HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE AND GIVE A CONCESSION SPEECH AFTER LOSING THE RACE TO 600K
Its okay, Yippie will release this year and Mango will win. Ignore everything that says it wont.
>>2399336All this autistic loser behavior made me curious, and apparently Millennium Dawn has 1 million subs, that's fucked up
>>2399357>Half of them haven't even started yetIT'S OVER IT'S NEVER BEEN MORE OVER
>>2399357>Nixon and Reuther have most loc progressAt least they're focusing on the most based paths
>>2399380Nixon's the only path I actually want to see. It looks based and awesome. Even if everything else is a dumpster fire I don't care I just want my four terms of Nixon.
>>2399357This may be an old leak, wasn't Romney replaced by Fong (retarted thing to do btw)?
>>2399386Allegedly but we haven't heard anything about it and every single dev called it stupid.
>>2399390Mango getting actual pushback from the rest of the devs (public at that) sounds a little hard to believe.Back to Fong, I don't know how accurate the OP is but it says that Mango blabbed about Fong in 2024 (your attached pic). But then we also have the Hawaii Crisis leak where we see a lot of focus on Fong and an epilogue that hints not so subtly to his status as a candidate, right next to Hall too. And that is labeled as a leak from 2025. It may just be an old chart that just happened to leak later in 2025 before the situation was rewooorrked again. Or, they really did go ahed with Fong, which would make locdoc posted at least 2 years old.Still, idrk.
>>2399409I mean it's actually possible that his TDS just calmed down a bit. We also know that TFO is still going with the pre-Fong lore and I don't think they'd do that if TNO wasn't.
>>2399413>possible that his TDS just calmed down a bitDoubtful, these are the same people that made a mod seething about Bush fifteen years after his presidency ended. You make a good point about TFO though, I doubt Weld has the balls to actually go against Mango on anything.
>>2399386They havent bothered to change it on the inputs page cause they havent even started working on it yet, this is from today
>>2399458Believable. I actually do believe that the US team does more work than the pieces of shit in the Reich team but Yippie is also overscoped to all hell.
>>2399458If true that is incredibly funny. And if it really is the case, I have a few questions, like:1. Why does Humphrey only have 4 pieces of loc requested? The others, like Rockefeller or Stevenson, at least have the excuse of being later presidents, but how is one of the '64 candidates this behind? Or is there another explanation?2. Why do Yorty (boring populist) and Schalfly (only one playable term) have over 200 pieces of loc while every other Pres. (with the sole exception of Richard Nixon of course), which are much more interesting and/or have longer content, have less than 200?3. Why is McGovern blank? Have they cut him or did they not even start the most basic preliminary work on him?And more stuff like that, can't remember anything else to ask right now. Mostly rhetorical but if you can answer please do.
>>2399317Did anyone ever dox scaresith
>>2399497Probably outdated seeing as how it still list Romney as a playable candidate. Either that or they’re working on the candidates they find intresting first.
>>2399409 #>>2399424 #I can confirm they are keeping Fong and that TFO is keeping Romney. Mango thinks TFO is dogshit because of this ignoring the fact they have like 50 members and can't afford to switch their starting situation for the main country they're working on on a dime.
>>2399544Comedy. Weld > Mango.
>>2399509Why would you bother doxxing some annoying commentator? ScareSith's not even on the team
>>2399591ScareSith isn't even around afaik. Hasn't done anything interesting in years at least. Who gives a fuck? Even if you doxed him, what'd you find out that you can't figure out just by the fact that he's a retarded Redditor?
>>2399357Are there anymore loc leaks like the Hawaii crisis?
>>23994971. No idea2. They are not fully requested so the situation is even bleaker. 3. Cut as said before, JFK is a one termer now
>>2399550>My never releasing reworker is better than your never releasing reworker
>>2399390I know some things about fong. He is still in it but he is limited to be a one termer and is basically the same story of all republicans being Hitler that could never accept an asian. He doesnt even try to run for reelection cause everyone hates him so much. Theres really not much to him he hasnt been thought of too much in general
>>2399544>Mango thinks TFO is dogshit because of thisWhat does Mango have against Romney? He even calls him "Romnoid" when he confirmed his replacement by Fong, what could he have possibly done? Imagine it's just because he fathered Mitt Romney or something lmao
>>23996671. Worth a try2. The later Pres. or Yorty and Schlafly?3. Kinda glad, though I wish they would cut JFK altogether too. Literal shining knight type shit
>>2399691None of them are fully requested besides RFK. Thats how bad it is.
>>2399687severe TDS + future communist
Do any leakers know the plan for goering Germany (if there even is one).
>>2399853Completely fucking dead.He was planned to be reworked into something that's basically just TWR's Goering but this was years ago and we've had zero progress as of at least mid-2025 and it might not even be a thing. The old Goering route has been mutated into a Schoerner route. A dev team member leaked parts of it and declared it too stupid and worthless to leak in full but his collage of Lamounier's quotes give a good idea of what they're doing. The lead dev of Rises Again has read the full thing and vouched for the authenticity of the leak. Much like with nu-Goering though, there's been absolutely no progress for several years and the path might as well be dead and buried. Lamounier really is the worst lead on the team, utterly useless lazy and boring. At least Mango does some work and occasionally has an unintentionally funny idea.
>>2399687It's because he wasn't evil enough and wanted something shittier at least that's what some leaks from back then claimed. It was hot on the heels of Trump winning the elections and Mango wanted the Republicans to be more evil. He has a debilitating case of TDS so it's believable even if it does sound close to caricature. I don't have the subsequent leaks saved but you can see it in the original leak a bit further up where he event underscores that the new cabinet is evil.
>>2399357>Wallace 8>Schlafly 16 Are we deadass?
>>2399853We have no clue but I imagine it’s basically speer lite minus the free market and more technocratic planned economics Generally speaking the conflict in the new germany seems to be between partificationists and anti partificationists with bormann and himmler on one end and speer and goring on the other Of course each of the contenders fight each other but some former contenders do survive and work with the new fuhrer example being bormann working for himmler if he becomes fuhrer My guess is that goring is the “center” of the nazi party courting the elites who dislike bormanns intrusions but also dislike speers proposed reforms. Goring is generally popular with the public but we don’t know how popular considering speer is described as the most popular with the public and the middle class out of all the fuhrer candidates
>>2400039He was meant to be very free market in the early rework leaks. Ultimately though I don't think it's even possible to know. There's been zero progress in what half a decade? Whatever they have in mind for him now will change several times before they even start work on him. Assuming that even happens.
>>2400122Id assume that goring would come out in a package update with heydrich and himmler which would come out around 2030 ish It would probably be quicker than vnj to develop considering all the mechanics have already been developed but you never know with this dev team
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>>2400208is this nigga doing an ad?
>>2400338TNO janny honeypot. It's probably an alt of Kateryna or one of his goons trying to find and ban more ex dev leakers.
>>2400409No the guys legit, He gave me some DV leaks and some other shit I can’t share. He does have gits but unless the leaks are recent your probably not going to get much other than flowcharts
>>2400208Bro your my leaker contact and your just as desperate for leaks as I am at this point lmao
>>2400459Mmmm not too desperate just expanding
>>2400458Fuck off janny.
>>2400491He’s the guy who leaked the niger, togo, and madagascar shit. I think some of the yippie trees too trust me this guys legitHe gave me something manchuria related im not obligated to share but it’s kino
>>2399703Holy shit it really is over. I'm also surprised that they're leaving their golden boy out to dry with "only" 150 events too, but yeah. They promised this shit for Q4 2026 too, what are they gonna do, delay it for half a year and then release a demo with only Nixon or something?
Is there a newer Nixon flowchart? One with the fourth term actually designed
>>2400540Nixon is all I need baby.
Anyone have info on the “slavic spring” replacing the slave revolt for speer/ all fuhrers
>>2400674It's just the slave revolt concept but rebranded since Germany abolished slavery.
>>2400701Idk from the recent readings it looks like instead of a general anti german revolt it’s a bunch of low level colaborators and the populace demanding concessions from the germans, Not unlike the riots in guandong only way more violent considering colab moskowien uses the spring as a jumping off point to advocate for reform, same for brautgaum. So I guess it’s like a slavic cultural revolution which is kinda neat
I feel like it is a lot harder for me to like Rises Again due to its lack of Guangdong. Regardless on your opinions about newer TNO, Guangdong was one of the greatest additions to TNO and Kuzunoha was a fucking genius.It will always be Requiem for me.
That being said I would love it if Rises Again somehow managed to retrofit Guangdong for pre-Toolbox Theory TNO. If that was somehow possible. Considering GDP, GDP growth and debt all exist in pre-TT economics, it could be possible.If they accomplished that I would be ecstatic.
>>2400743guandong is why i’m so hyped for manchuria if it ever comes out because of that’s the quality of content we’re getting ooh boy. I like how everyone complains about modern tno yet simultaneously glaze guandong despite most of the leaks from the coming updates being guandong quality in terms of contentI suppose you can’t appease everyone
>>2400744>>2400769I have higher hopes for RA to convert Guangdong to pre-TT and then release Manchuria based on the leaked build than TNO itself releasing Manchuria.
>>2397966I love that the most prolific poster here is an insanely gullible schizo obsessed with this mod. does this guy even have a name
>TNO still hasn't reached 600KThis is just a humiliation ritual at this point.
>>2400846Yeah same here, a shame because it looks like a lot of fun. Though if manchuria comes out that means the rest of the sphere is not to close behind
>>2402019>If this thing delayed by years made by a guy Mango hates is finished then this unrelated stuff made by unrelated people that just got reworked has to be close!Holy cope.
What exactly are people's expectations for the upcoming Requiem update?I haven't really kept up with it outside of it being just a submod integration.Speaking of leaks, has anyone got fresh Requiem leaks or info?
>>2402058They're actually adding full 2wrw content to it so it's actually meaningful. Most recent news was that they're expanding a bunch of Russian mechanics like raiding and fixing some other base game features. Release seems possibly during the summer. After that, they'll start working on another Russian unifier.All in all seems like they're just doing their thing.
I want to try playing as Hart but I feel very icky about his politics so I'm wondering if it's possible to fail to pass CRA after repealing it as Wallace or do some other things and if there's content for that
>>2402112Unfortunately no there isn’t a way to play hart based considering he litteraly wrote the legislation that let mass immigration from the sewers of the planet happen. You might as well wait for yippie if you want good US content, unfortunately it will never come out
>>2402117>Hart made mass immigration legalSo that's why they put him on a pedestal.
>>2402117>Yippie>GoodLMAOJust wait and hope RA rips off dictator Nixon or something.
>>2402119Yup, The person the devs simp for is the guy who made the lives of everyone in urban america objectively worse If you ever want to just boil with righteous indignation on any given day, Just look up the hart celler act and how the politicians who wrote it lied to the voters about its intentions. The men who ethnically cleansed the indigenous urban and suburban population lied through their teeth and perpetrated one of the largest ethnic displacements in human history and will never face justice
>>2402136>Hart-Celler It never clicked with me before but now that you mention that act specifically it clicks and falls into place. Yeah I know about it I just didn't realize it was that Hart that did it, fuck.
>>2402137A funny thing that the yippie devs don’t realize is that the more liberal and egalitarian the us is, The more they loose to the pakt The military being sent in to integrate schools or Images of blacks chimping out in watts would be an absolute gold mine for the pakt because it makes the US look like an unreasonable partner that oppresses the racially superior majority in favor of a racially inferior minority at the behest of jewish interests Do the devs really think that south africa or iberia would be clamoring to align with the US if they pulled the shit they did otl? All the pakt has to say is “Look I know we disagree but I’m not an active racial trash fire like the americans” and every white man in africa just rallies around the germans
>>2402146This has been said before but it's never gonna happen. That'd create some actual depth and force the devs to confront the holes in their narrative. A good compromise would be to have the otl liberal race politics be a high risk/reward where the likely failure leads to heavy penalties and a more Wallace-like segregation policy being a "safer" route at least in the short term. But since the devs just want to write fanfics about their ideology...
>>2402152I'd be very interested to see a timeline where segregationist America is treated more as a likely lesser of two evils from a modern perspective instead of TNO making it equal to Germany if not worse because the devs often live in America. But with TNO having the worst railroading ever any notion of having to earn your happy ending even from the devs pov is never, ever going to be allowed.
>>2402152>This has been said before but it's never gonna happen. That'd create some actual depth and force the devs to confront the holes in their narrative.This is probably true but in the DV diary it says that the germans always bet on being the bigger chud to alienate the US’s potential white minority allies so it is possible that the devs might make us domestic policy more relevant in international affairs but we’ll never know
>>2402191>It's possibleJust don't bother hoping for nuance any more.
>>2402146Unfortunately they've already decided on a different approach and doubled down on liberalism to own the nazirinos and because there was no red scare the leftists would be even MORE powerful and segregationist chuds would lose because no one likes nazis
>>2402146Unfortunately they've already decided on a different approach and doubled down on liberalism, because there was no red scare the leftists would be even MORE powerful and segregationist chuds would always lose because no one likes nazis
Sorry for doublepost I'm on phone
>>2402292Just delete the post you don't like. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and on the right bottom corner there's a button to let you delete posts. Just tick the post you made (the check box left of your name) and bam, it's gone with one click of that button. You need to wait about a minute before you can post, and then you have a window of a couple of minutes to allow you to delete it. Wait too long and it's there forever. Good to know if you fuck up on your phone in the future, anon.
>>2402286Tbf, It does make sense for the US to pivot leftward when their primary geopolitical adversary is far right. Moreover a republican president basically ragequiting ww2 because the casualties were too high does hurt the rights chances The only issue with the devs left wing circle jerk is that germany exists and more importantly, its ideas. When white americans begin to feel alienated by the US’s new leftist orthodoxy, They can always look towards germania as an example. The state department would naturally clamp down HARD on this sort of activity not only because americans feeling sympathy for their foreign adversary bad but also because a good chunk of the new security apparatus is ran by THE FUCKING NKVD due to operation paperclip however, Repression doesn’t work because you can’t kill an idea and the more you try to, the stronger the idea becomes. The far right could win in the long run by allowing the left to radicalize normies into the far right
>>2402363>Tbf, It does make sense for the US to pivot leftward>a republican president basically ragequiting ww2 because the casualties were too high does hurt the rights chancesThis is why the NPP makes sense, and why the Overton window expanding greatly to both the left and right make a lot of sense. Also, everything related to this is being deleted, bigot.
>>2402363A Wallace America would be hard to design, much less implement. Segregation was so heavily tied into pre-Counterculture America, that envisioning an America where it survives on in the South or perhaps nationally under Wallace in the 1970's and 1980's and possibly even 1990's becomes complicated. It would be like imagining a timeline where the HRE never formed, the butterfly effect is so pervasive and you have to account for so many variables, that you're describing a fantasy world than alternate history. Segregation would never last past the early 1980's at the latest given the ever-changing elements of American culture with the implementation of the 24 hour news cycle and more modern forms of political mobilization. Bennett's gradual integration is more realistic, it can be envisioned, RFK's radical integrationist policies are more realistic, these were things that were implemented on the local level, LBJ is more realistic, he is merely what happened OTL, but Wallace? It is segregation pushed on the whole country by a rapidly fading political bloc, who most of the time come into power under chaotic circumstances.tl;dr Segregation even in just the South wouldn't have survived past the 80's.
>>2402363Embarrassing levels of retardation.
>>2402397True, Ironically it’s easier to convince the general public of segregation in the age of the internet by just plastering a bunch of nigga chimp outs on the feed. It’s kinda funny that both the US and the reich have political censorship but in the US it’s the media whereas the reich is blatantly state owned. Kinda funny how the US is more totalitarian in terms of control by just being subtle about it and delegating it down
>>2402401explain
>>2402397>Segregation would never last past the early 1980's at the latest given the ever-changing elements of American culture with the implementation of the 24 hour news cycle and more modern forms of political mobilizationAnd nazis never could have won WW2 because of many reasons, yet they did in tno. Relying on otl history to justify something being impossible in tno just doesn't work.>It would be like imagining a timeline where the HRE never formed, the butterfly effect is so pervasive and you have to account for so many variables, that you're describing a fantasy world than alternate historyOr a timeline where nazis won WW2. Wasn't that supposed to be the appeal of alternate history? To imagine a different world rather than shoehorning otlisms at every single opportunity because you lack the imagination and the reasoning skills? No I guess that's all just a fantasy. But I would argue that you hijacked the wrong mod then because TNO is a "fantasy" and that's the charm of it.
>>2402397>Bennett's gradual integration is more realistic, it can be envisioned, RFK's radical integrationist policies are more realistic, these were things that were implemented on the local level, LBJ is more realistic, he is merely what happened OTL, but Wallace?You've confirmed my suspicions that you don't have much imagination and probably history knowledge because making new scenarios requires both and most TNO devs hide behind OTL as a shield for the criticisms of their work because when someone says "X is dumb" they can go "But it's been in OTL so it's not dumb it's historical", which can work to win an argument but I'll argue that it's better to be a little dumb but fun and original which original TNO did than be "correct" but boring and meaningless. I for one can perfectly envision a future where fully segregationist Wallace won and the society moved on from the civil rights issue just like republicans did otl. The left would adopt Malcolm X position and instead of abolishing segregation would advocate for giving black communities more gibs. There's also a precedent for that in Netherlands with their Pillarization where commies and protestants and catholics were segregated. I do believe these concepts deserve to be explored and it could make for a good scenario and I think you're a coward for dismissing anything that's not following the rails of history because you're too scared to do research or put unique ideas to the world because it's much easier to criticise anything not following otl than it is to come up with different scenarios.>fading political blocI had 80 NPP congressmen and won almost every state as fully segregationist Wallace. You can't make statements like "hurr durr he's unpopular" in a game where you can affect the outcomes.
>>2402440>You can't make statements like "hurr durr he's unpopular" in a game where you can affect the outcomesNudevs don't play the game or understand how gameplay and player initiative is supposed to work. Remember: these are the same people that believe that non-canonical nukes are a valid storytelling tool.
>And nazis never could have won WW2 because of many reasons, yet they did in tno. Relying on otl history to justify something being impossible in tno just doesn't work.TNO America mirrors OTL America, and thus the evolution of its media, when you have a press as expressedly hostile to segregation and other hard right policies, you are inevitably fighting a losing battle of public opinion. Short of some authoritarian wetdream of banning all non-state press, the public battle against segregation won't be won by the South.>Or a timeline where nazis won WW2. Wasn't that supposed to be the appeal of alternate history? To imagine a different world rather than shoehorning otlisms at every single opportunity because you lack the imagination and the reasoning skills? No I guess that's all just a fantasy. But I would argue that you hijacked the wrong mod then because TNO is a "fantasy" and that's the charm of it.You are being retarded, I'm comparing how the consequences of such a PoD would have far reaching effects on world history and equating them with the effects that segregation would have on the smaller microcosm of American society. I'll respond to the rest later.
>>2402454>I'll respond to the rest laterMango's hands wrote this post. People that have debated him will know. He always writes a flippant non-argument, tells you that he'll own you later and then he fucks off after declaring a W. By the way you can't reply to someone criticizing your OTLism by justifying your past OTLism by referring to more OTLism you dumb schmuck.
There's a canyon's worth of difference between arguing for the inevitability of desegregation through appealing to OTLism and arguing for the inevitability of desegregation because of the various factors working against the segregationist mvoement. Even if the segregationists hold, you just wait until the next period of political unrest for the activists to come out of the woodworks, that's not even counting how it's unpopular outside of the South. From a gameplay standpoint, you would need to restructure major elements of post-1972 trees to account continued segregation, adding more workload. My argument was initially from a design standpoint but eventually drifted into a histsorical one.>I had 80 NPP congressmen and won almost every state as fully segregationist Wallace. You can't make statements like "hurr durr he's unpopular" in a game where you can affect the outcomes.I am referring to the Dixiecrats, who are only one faction of the NPP-FR, it's very telling when Wallace is the only segregationist candidate as opposed to Schlafly, MCS, and Kirkpatrick pre-UB.>Mango's hands wrote this post. People that have debated him will know. He always writes a flippant non-argument, tells you that he'll own you later and then he fucks off after declaring a W. By the way you can't reply to someone criticizing your OTLism by justifying your past OTLism by referring to more OTLism you dumb schmuck.Not everyone you is Mango on a proxy, schizo. See picrel.
Posted in the wrong order, but whatever.>You've confirmed my suspicions that you don't have much imagination and probably history knowledge because making new scenarios requires both and most TNO devs hide behind OTL as a shield for the criticisms of their work because when someone says "X is dumb" they can go "But it's been in OTL so it's not dumb it's historical", which can work to win an argument but I'll argue that it's better to be a little dumb but fun and original which original TNO did than be "correct" but boring and meaningless.>I for one can perfectly envision a future where fully segregationist Wallace won and the society moved on from the civil rights issue just like republicans did otl. The left would adopt Malcolm X position and instead of abolishing segregation would advocate for giving black communities more gibs. There's also a precedent for that in Netherlands with their Pillarization where commies and protestants and catholics were segregated. I do believe these concepts deserve to be explored and it could make for a good scenario and I think you're a coward for dismissing anything that's not following the rails of history because you're too scared to do research or put unique ideas to the world because it's much easier to criticise anything not following otl than it is to come up with different scenarios.
Someone post more Yippie leaks, here's Rocky as payment.
>>2402751President Rumsfeld confirmed?
>>2402751Any chance of seeing the mechanic?
>>2402751This shit was posted YEARS ago
>>2402808You can actually tell this thread is completely infested by new fags
>>2402815To be fair it's not like anyone really gives a shit about most of these things dropping here.
>>2402815Then why didn’t you archive shit? I swear to god My fucking phone has archived more images from this fucking thread than the baker
>>2402864Not my job. Same.
>>2402842Then why you here? I only come here because of the occasional leak.
Gonna do a leak recap later but cat box doesn’t seem to be working on my end. Can u guys see the actual leak or is it just white screen?
>>2402927Forgot to send https://files.catbox.moe/0km3nj.png
>>2402929It just comes up as an error for me
>>2402649>There's a canyon's worth of difference between arguing for the inevitability of desegregation through appealing to OTLism and arguing for the inevitability of desegregation because of the various factors working against the segregationist mvoementI already said why both are dumb. We are talking about a video game where the player is able to affect the factors in his favor. Saying "NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT" and putting Wallace into a wheelchair and making him watch segregation go away without any chance for the player to intervene is a bad game design. >Even if the segregationists hold, you just wait until the next period of political unrest for the activists to come out of the woodworks1. That's for TNO2 to worry about2. Why can't they move on like republicans do every time they lose an issue? History being a predetermined set of rails where cra is a canon event and leftists can't move on from it for 20 years is not only bad a game design but just incorrect. India has a caste system ingrained into its society and leftists couldn't abolish it. America having the same thing with segregation would be much more interesting than them just being stuck in the 1964st forever because they couldn't accept the outcome no matter what Wallace did and the fact that people already moved on from it.
>>2402649>From a gameplay standpoint, you would need to restructure major elements of post-1972 trees to account continued segregation, adding more workloadNo you don't. As long as you don't explicitly acknowledge any outcome it's fine. Also it's like a 10 trees. Having one description changed is not much considering how much you like to put meaningless fluff text into the mod>I am referring to the Dixiecrats, who are only one faction of the NPP-FRThe seats are evenly split between north and south NPP-FR cuz it's impossible to get dixicrafts into north for whatever reason but okay it's still leaves them with 40 and they need to negotiate a bit with lolbertarians who are still against CRA mind you. Also what the fuck is your point again? That you can't bring one of the factions in power through successfully manipulating politics? In a video game mod about that nonetheless? >Not everyone you is Mango on a proxy, schizo. See picrelYou're dumber than Mango because at least he would have come with a better argument to justify this nonsense. Also this icon looks like shit>>2402653You forgot the answer I think
>>2402864>>2402874It's the same problem as with regular TNO and frankly I don't understand your indignation. From a Fiji election chart to the 38759th scrapped German rework, almost no one gives a shit about these things that will never release and honestly aren't interesting at all because of how boring the devs are. You can compare the 2024 "Leaksmas" to what's been leaked recently. It's about the same volume but while everything in the Leaksmas was archived neatly this time it's full of:>Fiji election flowchart-tier levels of shit nobody cares about>Two anons arguing back and forth if it's the 52nd or 53rd rework of a vaporware tag>Gay-ass leak trading for dirt on different cliques by scorned ex-devs>Brand new Reich update!! now with less things happeningMost of it's just terrible and I think most of us understand that even the somewhat interesting stuff like the Italy leaks will never amount to anything and each and every new rework just gets more boring and deprived of content than the last. Just look at Kateryna's Iran flowchart with its dozen rehashes of the same government, brutal nothing-ever-happensism and a pledge to replace the ICW with a nothingburger GUI battle between two skeletons fighting over neo-Fiji. It's more interesting that you still have new leaks, scorned devs and raids by the jannies than what's in the leaks.>>2402649>From a gameplay standpoint, you would need to restructure major elements of post-1972 trees to account continued segregation, adding more workload.This is just a standard, rehearsed excuse by nudevs. See: >>2402450Oh no, we can't account for change, muh narrative. We got the same excuses for why Germany can't be allowed to lose in Ukraine. Too much work, all trees would have to be redone, entire lore broken, Germany surely collapsing from food price inflation and all RKs needing to be re-reworked over it. KX would give them extra consumer goods factories and a hit to stability until they sort out their imports.
>>2402994That's because KX is made by Latinx apes. Like yeah Ukraine winning would be stupid on so many levels and it's not even something old tno would have done. This is of course because people like you never actually enjoyed TNO for the gameplay only for the larp. Bold of you to assume that it's about trading for dirt on "cliques".
>>2403013>You actually need a very high IQ to enjoy this level of railroadingNot beating the nudev allegations.
>>2403013You’re forgetting somethingAll 3 Ukrainian partisan tags have playable focus trees, both during and post-war. So, people see these trees and GUIs and expect to be able to win these wars.
>>2403013>it's not even something old tno would have doneBuddy old tno had germany nuking itself and being taken over by commies. Separate RKs were supposed to survive if the germany were to be broken, that's was the whole point of setting it up in the first place.
>>2403028>GUIs Doesn't help that they went through all the effort of adding ANOTHER one only to AGAIN railroad the entire thing. It's really frustrating.
Baker are you still with us?
>>2403131Sgt. Baker is in the process of clearing French fields from Rommel's Asparagus Sir
>>2403131I'm here and I will bake once we hit page 10.
>>2403126I thought it was pretty fun. There's actually a "win condition" (going underground after building a strong enough partisan network) now which is good.
>>2403294You're still not allowed to win and them going underground was a narrative thing before especially for the communists. So it doesn't really change anything.
Anybody have context for this bilibili leak?Is Irkutsk receiving some kind of remake?
>>2403318Respectively: No and kinda.No, I have no idea what that means. But Irkutsk and Sablin were supposed to be reworked years ago. Afaik a massive proposal was written for Sablin and but neither ever got off the ground. It's possible that it's just some early WIP content from that rework that ended up on the Git but I doubt it. Those reworks are so old and dead in the water that I doubt anyone left on the team had anything to do with them now that Corn and Ugli are gone and neither of them even seemed to care.
Yorty pdf is dead, does anyone happen to have it archived?
