After today's stream, I'm just left wondering what's really going on. What could have happened leading up to this year to totally destroy her like this? What is her headspace right now? How unwell is she right now? I can't help but think that she's not behaving normally

>>107601659
I'm getting super worried.
its like she's given up on life entirely.

i can save her
i can save her
i can save her
i can save her
can i save her

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https://x.com/shiroganenoel/status/1999484564381774252

It feels like I'm watching someone with ideations. Giving away possessions, cutting off ties, no plans for the future... stuff like that.

>>107601927
Amane Kanata was everything to her.

>>107601983
At this point I'm not worried about whether she's going to reincarnate or not, I'm just praying we don't get an announcement from Cover in a few months that the individual behind Amane Kanata sadly passed away. I've been annoyed and frustrated with her up until this point but now I'm just concerned...

kanataso

>>107602083
If she is in a life threatening condition I doubt other holos would be as calm as they are now. unless she kept it hidden from them as well, and the NDA she had Cover to enforce includes her medical condition

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>>107601740
https://x.com/danchou_sub/status/1999492787792974192

>>107602170
Do you really think that Kanata would ever open up to holomems like "hey I'm actually having suicidal thoughts, can you help me?". She's gonna keep it all to herself to not bother others. There's no way for us or anyone else to know

>>107602083
I'm definitely concerned about her, but I don't think you need to entertain thoughts that extreme.
Let me try and talk you down a bit from this.

If it did happen, the information would come into the public eye at some point, since suicides are always investigated since 2006, and this would included questioning her employer.
The outcomes are fairly defined.

1. Cover is questioned by the national police agent assigned to the case.
As soon as they hear about it, Cover will definitely make a statement to try and get ahead of the trouble.
The effect this would have on Cover (the place where taso's friends work and rely on) can't be understated.
Their stock valuation would enter a crisis, and the possibility of criminal charges for executives could start to materialize depending on the investigation.
There are new contractor laws coming into effect in Japan in 2026-01, and it is a matter of national attention. If one of Cover's contractors killed themselves because of abuse, this national spotlight would land right on them. The possibility of having an example made of them is real.
2. The damage to the women who were her friends would be extreme.
Self-explanatory. This is the -exact- opposite that taso would ever want.
She would do anything to prevent it, even if "doing anything to make sure it doesn't happen" means "so I have to stay alive and suffer..."
3. Her fans would freak at extremes rarely seen.
This is also pretty self-explanatory, and more dangerous than the other two.

I think I'm gonna run out of characters so I'll just leave it there.
Just stay focused, and keep telling her to not give up on singing.

She finally slept with Noel she will be fine now

https://x.com/dainandesuyo130/status/1999506938061553731
>account created last month
>never posted about anything kanata before the graduation announcement
>suddenly a hardcore heimin disseminating malicious info to other heimins
I wonder how many assholes like these are there taking advantage of the situation for their retarded crusade

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https://x.com/wagahaida_L/status/1999486368679161860
Lap seems sad, I enjoyed what little of the two together that we got

>>107603604
In a very cruel way, the way Kanata hid her graduation from everybody made it very explicit how much so many holomem care about her.

>>107603029
Is the tweet linked even that bad? I've seen quite a few people trying to make sense of things in any way they can.
>pinned tweet
oh

Even still, an account made just barely before the announcement, and goes into freakout mode after the announcement. There's weirder things on there.
If anything, I'd be suspicious of an account made just prior to the announcement because of someone with a history of shitposting about themselves.
>Nov 29th post is about scounging for points card points
...

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kanata needs to experience just 1 second of the collective heimin suffering so she can be convinced to reincarnate
this is a pain like no other

>>107602953
Usually people at that point don't really think too deeply about other's feelings about the result.
I know I shouldn't feel this way. Something just feels so off to me based on her behavior. But I'll keep hope

>>107602083
all of holos, Kanata probaly has the highest chance that she will hero herself if she completely disappears.

Just finished watching the Noel collab. Taso just lost her virginity didn't she. Very heartwarming

>>107604666
It's not her first run with extreme stress, with her issues before 2020, the time in late 2020, and then all of the graduations she had to power through, but this one might be the hardest one to swallow of them all for her.
I'll just keep hoping one of her friends puts a leash on her (literally doing so would be fine).

But the one consistent thing about taso through all of her problems is that she puts other people's feelings and other people's demands ahead of her own, she just needs a SERIOUS shock to get her back into that normal obsessive mindset.

>>107604666
It's devastating that I can't say I think your fears are unfounded, but for what's worth, I think just living a soulless life as she slowly withers away is much more in line with her personality than simply putting a drastic end to it. The last time she found herself in that kind of situation, she saw a speck of hope for having a purpose in the holo auditions and took it. This time around she'll have a legion of fans keeping the door open for her, so it's not a stretch to imagine she might reach out again.

I just can't imagine she's going to disappear and never talk to the Heimin again. Why do that?

>>107606208
taso moment

But really, its probably because of exactly what she said: She still loves singing, and she still loves streaming, and she still loves heimin.
Except something happened that put itself directly between herself and those things.
If she has resolved that there's no way to remove that barrier, the only thing she currently feels can do is turn around and go the other way.

This obviously isn't the real only solution (unless there's information we don't know), but I mean... 0% choices... 1% choices...
This was obviously a devastating outcome for her, and she'll need time and help to work through it and accept that it really is ok for her to pick "go around the obstacle and into the other lane."

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I wonder if Taso was supposed to post this one

>>107605757
More than stress, this feels like legit depression.
I just hope her friends notice something weird is going on below surface level and are willing to keep reaching out. The danger with these things is that it's easy to give up on friends in these situations out of frustration

is she actually THAT menhera (with herself)?
I'm a tourist lurking, waiting for more HnK news.

>>107608302
Let's just say her self-esteem issues are not the kind you can just brush off as a normal part of life.

>>107608160
Sorry didn't mean to imply there would be no depression, it was definitely included with the 3 main ones (pre-2020, late 2020, and now)...
In terms of that, I think I have to trust in some of the older (age) holos to pick up on it and not hold back. Polka feels like she might be a lifeline here.

>>107608302
Very much so. There's no one in else in hololive that's held an event and then shitposted about themselves while the event was running.

... which is also related to part of the problem right now.
taso killed off her other self that she was previously tweeting on, because "I am Amane Kanata", and now there is nothing left but "I am Amane Kanata."
She needs to truly realize there is something else.

she just needs some good cococking

The last 2 weeks are going to be very uncomfortable if she's not gonna address this any further.
There's been very noticeable shift on twitter after todays stream.

I think there are important things she wants to say that she's saving for the last mengen. Partly because she wants this last month to be as "normal" as possible, and partly because she just wants to say it and leave without leaving room for it to become a conversation.

>>107609124
>>107609147
I wish things could've been different for them, maybe if they were still close... Sui is good at handling menheras.

>>107609469
Today's was noticeable. I've seen multiple heimin note that it sounds like she putting her affairs in order. Overall I personally just feel like there's something missing. Something's not right

I know this was a long term issue, but I can't help but wonder what was the straw that broke the camel's back. Was it just another extra piece of work and it was just inevitable that she broke? Did she learn something about the company that broke her trust? What it something else? I can't help but just wonder how it came to this

>>107610562
I fear by the time we find the final piece of the puzzle, it will be too late. (in more ways than one)

The next members stream is key, must press on while the iron is hot.

Taso should just follow that plan she had and marry a heimin. There's obviously several heimin with the will and the means to support her, she just needs to avoid the yabai ones.

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Guy will literally just see this and say 'Wife'

I've been freaking out in varying degrees the whole time but the one nagging thing that won't leave my mind since the anouncement is that there might be another layer.

taso will readily conceal things and even lie about them if she's decided that is the best way to keep other people happy and safe, and... she hid the graduation from her friends until right at the end when she can pretend she's too busy to do anything but handle all of her collabs...
Maybe the other layer isn't a bad layer, but I'm feeling closer to freaking out.

anyways gonna stop dooming around now since this is bad for my mental health, ain't shit I can do except keep begging her to come back and hope one of her friends truly cares about her and can catch her if she's in freefall

>>107611214
I shoulda bought the one wifetaso tapestry before the end times...

>>107611280
Not understanding your subtext here, anon. What's the other layer you're implying here?

>>107611361
Nothing specific implied, I just mean I have concern there might be an aspect to the story of her graduation that she hasn't shared because she felt it was better not to share it.

But there's also another interpretation of this unclear situation that I keep seeing on twitter, and maybe I'll start trying to convince myself of it. I'm not really too convinced but... I don't know.
I keep seeing random heimin wondering if her strong resolve to basically seal Amane Kanata away is her own way to protect Amane Kanata for the future. Right now, she cannot work with Cover. But she agreed with it herself, if Cover truly changed, she would love to be Amane Kanata. Maybe there's something to it.
It lines with up with a lot of things she's said, including "don't look for me anywhere else" and "if I'm not Amane Kanata, I don't want to be in the entertainment industry"... and it also lines up with her destroying her old self and leaving nothing but Amane Kanata.

Anyways I need to get off this topic to try and keep myself even slightly sane, peace.

>>107611675
sorry just quickly clearing up something in my post before I dip:
She did NOT say "if I'm not Amane Kanata, I don't want to be in the entertainment industry", I meant to include it in brackets in the same manner the tweet I read was suggesing she could have meant when trying to justify the situation from that perspective.
The part about not being in the entertainment industry was all she said.

>>107611152
She saw my answer where I asked her to be my wife, sorry everyone. But what was the point of that survey again? Wasnt there supposed to be a stream about that too?

>>107612271
My guess is she was just trying to think about what to do with remaining time and she made the survey so she could give heimins whatever they wanted the most. Sounds like the kind of thing Kanata would come up with. Sadly that ended up being for nothing since she spent a huge chunk of this time nearly dying and not streaming.

>>107612271
I think she said she wanted to look over the results on stream at some point, far too late now though

Will she address this in the next mengen? She such a huge egosearcher there's no way she doesn't know

>>107612608
she must've seen by now that heimin are starting to get weirded out by how things don't seem to be making any sense.
whatever the reason is why wouldnt she just disclose it, she's going to disappear anyway and while sad, it would give everyone some closure.
This feeling of unease is the worst.

Taso is whipping out the "The reason I can wield this weapon is that I can break it with my own hands."

At this point the best way to save taso would be a mutinery.

If Polka, in the Yagoo "tea party", goes:
"I want change NOW. I want you to convoke the middle managers and send them a circular telling them to give members more freedom, to let them choose managers they hire and their schedule. I want actions, no more empty promises. You have two weeks, or I quit. Oh by the way, I already told my manager I'm quitting and told everyone else to do the same."

Then we would probably see more action in one week than in three years of Yagoo throwing baseballs and posing with merch. They couldn't afford losing more talent right after; even one, the PR image would be so bad, they would need to debut 3 more DEV_IS and 5 more Holo_ShittyName projects to put on on life support their revenues.

Polka, Towa, Luna and others would do fine solo, anyway.

> Yeah but they already resigned for another year.
Then make them fire you. It looks even worse on the investor board.

Where I live, we block the entire country for things like one day of unpaid leave.

>>107613102
That would literally paralyze operations for 3-6 months and invite lawsuits for wrongful termination.

>>107612608
I sometimes worry about my comprehension, but I was seeing more-or-less the same things I was thinking in tweets by legitimate long-term Japanese fans. It feels like some of them are growing concerned in a way beyond just "she's graduating".
Note there are anti accounts mixed in trying their best to blend in and sow discord, and probably doing crazy shit like using AI to help them respond as if they know what they're talking about. It's good to be wary of any provocative accounts without holo activities of a modest length, for example, this guy https://x.com/chikumog/status/1999552139425644811

How would you feel if she reincarnates but it's to do the same stuff as Choco and Noel's roommates?

>>107613170
I think you're good. I've been lurking in the JP heimin space for about 3 years, and even the very stable and normally calm even at the worst of times heimin are starting to worry. Most of those guys aren't inflammatory but more starting to sense something if wrong, like you said.

>>107603604
She too kthe day off when Kanata pulled the rabbit form the hat, and from what I heard, spent it drinking and crying.
I probably would too if I were her.
I'm even thinking about duying alcohol for the first time now...

>>107613301
I'm so freaked out that your easy scenario is deep within the list of outcomes I would love to see instead of some alternatives.

https://x.com/NV9QKnc3PPCnfln/status/1999589203022348658
This little talk is a nice interpretation of part of it too (actually a real fan despite the random twitter name)

did she say what she was doing today

Another thing's bothering me. So she's been getting work unrelated to her own projects that were not part of her role either. She was told those where were job after asking many times. And then finally found out it was a mistake after a final review.
So if they eventually confirmed those were not her job, then wouldn't that mean she wouldn't have have that problem in the future had she stayed? Or would the implication be that even after a review confirming those where not her job she's still be getting them? If so, that's just bullying isn't it?

>>107613974
It's nice but it sounds like cope more than anything. I think a more reasonable explanation would be that she's afraid putting all of it for sale online would make it easy for somebody to track and dox her.

>>107613160
Exactly. Just what we want.

>>107614420
I'm trying to fill my veins with synthetic cope here.
There are consignment services with anonymity!

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>>107614399
>>107598072
Litterally what I said previous thread and got called a retard.
That's the first thing that stroke me. Like "ok mismanagement happened 6 months ago ; and you made it, so why quit now ?"

>>107614399
Isn't that simply an specific example they allowed her to use?
It's a symptom of a larger problem and not the problem itself

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm7vnOC4hoY

>>107614607
I don't think she actually accepted everything, though. From the way things are worded, it sounded like they literally told her she had to do it because that was her job so she didn't really have a choice.

>>107614399
>>107614607
You are giving too much credit to Cover. It has been a problem that she herself brought up MULTIPLE TIMES but they didn't even assure her that it will be better in the future.

>>107614732
>>107614791
That's fair. I'm not blaming her for anything. I'm just frustrated at the company.
Like another thing she keeps saying is that she had them investigate things to confirm it's just her and they promised it wouldn't happen with other talents. But was there no effort to ensure this doesn't happen to her again?

https://x.com/amayukino/status/1999105526173716601

If my oshi was not killing herself as we speak, I'd probably be having fun reverse engineering the HoloEarth memory dumps to hack all the sex models. It's litterally a call for 3D modelers, even Overwatch prime animators had more to do. Taso has good taste for friends, as with everything else.

Is she contradicting herself on purpose while saying "it's not that I couldn't refuse"?

>>107615019
You can't refuse all of them. Botan talked about how refusing everything will make the company less active in reaching out to you. What Kanata addressed was people thinking she didn't refuse at all. And the more frustrating part was that some of the stuff forced on her were supposed to be done by other people.

>>107614967
never going to get taso upskirts in holoass...
The darkest timeline.

>>107614897
>But was there no effort to ensure this doesn't happen to her again?
It all sounds malicious to me. Like they thought SHE was the issue that needed to be removed rather than anything with the company. Classic Japanese culture to beat the nail that sticks out.

>>107615368
I really doubt she just realized out of the blue that things were unsustainable because of this particular issue. It feels more like it's a pattern that's been repeating and this was just when she reached the breaking point. We know for a fact that she's had repeated health issues to do with stress and overwork. Still, regardless of whether it was malicious or not, and regardless of whether this specific problem was fixed or not, I think the main issue doesn't change, which is that Kanata completely lost her faith in the company improving and her health was reaching a dangerously bad state.

>>107613301
kanashiko turned up to 11

>>107615694
>couldn't get an upaostick before the concert
>they were sold out at the concert before I got into the store
>resale hasn't shipped yet
>no taso lightstick for her final concert
just kill me

I have sighed more in these past 10 days than in my whole life prior.

>>107617318
Understandable. I'm just flopping around between various states worrying about taso, being mad at taso, feeling sorry for taso, feeling sorry for myself (why is MY oshi the only one that's going to disappear?), and freaking out because there's this pit of uncertainty that I can't shake off.

Holy shit. I was legitimately coming to terms with this and now I'm spiraling again. At this point I just want kson to abduct her on the 27th before she does something stupid. I don't even care if she never wants to stream again, I just want to know she'll be okay.

>>107618337
People freaking out on twitter is making me freak out.
I was actually doing better than a lot of them and a lot quicker at the start (even though I've been following for so long, almost since debut), but now I think I'm worse.
Well, probably not worse. Lots of them were talking about throwing up they were so distraught in the first few days. But if she doesn't say some things in the opposite direction in the next stream or two maybe I'll get to that level too.

I had firmly convinced myself that "I'm just going to keep calling out to her to come back, and I'll be there the day she decides she can do it, if she ever does".
Now I'm trying to re-convince my brain that only doing that much is ok.

I would honestly prefer if she was just getting married or something than just leaving on nebulous terms like this, it would cause less concern and anguish.

>>107618689
Pregnancy announcement would instantly dissolve my uncertainty. She should be pregnant with me though, and it's unfair that she isn't, but at least I can get mad about that later and stop worrying now.

i too wish for kanata to be my mother

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https://x.com/amanekanatach/status/1999688168417951830
pieeeentaso

>dreamt of taso
>didn't manage to convince her to stay
even in my dream she's hard willed..

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Two weeks until my world ends

>>107620422
taso needs to be forced to watch an inverted-Oracle and inverted-Tenshi no Agape and know most of us will hand unconditional and pure love right back to her no matter what is going on and that she should indulge in it

>>107618337
Really hoping this is the case.
I think it’s perfectly fine if she wants to graduate after what she went through, but everything she’s been doing lately sounds scary and I’m concerned as to what will happen to her after she leaves. Hopefully Kson manages to convince her to live together again. Kanata has no reason to refuse, rent would be lower and she’d have the company of another person who cares about her.
She’s also the one person who can understand what she’s going through, Kson had to take meds for depression and anxiety for years after her graduation, I think she’s the one person that can convince Kanata to get the professional help she needs mental health wise.

>>107621411
>Kson had to take meds for depression and anxiety for years after her graduation
Oh man, did she? That's fucking rough.
I didn't keep up...

To be clear, other graduations weren't like this right? Having other members protest on stream a week later, fanbase meltdown thinking she can be stopped, anger at cover, it's not normal right?

I understand what she's doing even if I don't approve of it. If we're this hurt, sad, and angry at Cover imagine how she feels after investing six years of her life, health, and money into "Amane Kanata" and leaving with nothing. Burn it all down, don't look back, don't make it possible to look back. But on some level it still feels like she wants to be stopped, that change can happen and the company can be saved. Putting the fanbase through all this sucks though. I really want her to explain something, anything in members.

>>107623408
coco and kanata were/are unironically the most idol like graduations

I blame member gifts

>>107623465
I would definitely take the send off Aqua got over this

I mean isn't it possible that her disease has reached the point where singing is just painful for her, if not physically, then mentally because it pains her to know what she was and what she is now? I've known quite a few athletes who after a career ruining injury, can't even enjoy that sport casually, can't even watch it, because it makes them too sad.

>>107623736
If it is she should say so

If it is, it's insane for other members to keep pressuring her to stay

you dont need to sing to be a streamer

>>107623774
Anon we just went over this whole thread about how Kanata tends to shut down and not tell people things. It would be a very Taso move for her to keep this to herself.

>>107623790
She loves singing and singing is a part of being an idol which she also loves. It could also affect her balance which affects dancing which again is part of being an idol. She's always been one of the most hardcore idolfags. If I were a retarded autistic woman with depression and an incurable progressive disease, I might not tell anyone when it got too bad to bear because "There's no cure and I'd just bum everyone out anyways".

>>107623801
It would make everyone be more accepting of her graduation, but she mentioned her overall health rather than her condition so I don't think that's the case.

>and I'd just bum everyone out
she is already doing that by not becoming a normal streamer under cover or outside of cover

Hey Heimin, sorry things are the way that they are but Kanata is doing a karaoke with FUWAMOCO soon, if you didn't already know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptQWL1U2y0Q

>>107623866
>>107623874
I never said it was smart. I mean Asians in general, especially Japanese, will be very "it can't be helped" about things. My grandmother has already made plans for when she dies and she's not even going to have her children notified until after she's buried because she doesn't want everyone rushing to her if she starts to go because it would be "too much of a bother".

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>soon

>>107623878
neat

https://x.com/Lacrimae_298/status/1999690132027580694
if taso explained it like this comment tree, it would make sense and i'd accept it for now.
currently it's just too confusing

>>107623930
I mean sadly FUWAMOCO only stream like once every 5 days right now so it's soon.

>>107623878
I was expecting a collab eventually.. unfortunate that these had to be the circumstances

>>107624115
>If stubborn autistic Japanese women explained things in a way that made sense to me and acted rationally

Then they wouldn't be the women we loved.

>>107623736
>>107623866
I still think that her health/condition was NG topic during KanaPolLuna.
They were scrapping for topics by the second half but never mentioned it at all despite heimins asking and talking about it in twitter and her comments l

>>107623774
Also I noticed that at least the holos that does the sign memes doesn't say that they want her to stay to specifically continue singing. Polka and Luna even came up with a unit event in budokan that only involves talking that Kanata responded well to.
There's an option to quit singing and be a holo that just stream games and take part in collab sometimes like Ayame or something, but I feel she chose to graduate because she doesn't want Amane Kanata to be reduced to that.

>>107624212
That's what I'm thinking too. She's always been very stubborn it's what I love about her. I could absolutely see her choosing to end Amane Kanata if Amane Kanata can't sing or dance anymore, or even "Amane Kanata can't sing or dance to a level anymore that I am satisfied with".

>>107624212
KanaPoLuna isn't a singing unit so I wouldn't look too much into it. Before Kanata announced her graduation, GoriReba talked about performing manzai in Budokan rather than singing, so Lamy wouldn't have been told anything about her condition affecting her singing.

>>107624269
>so Lamy wouldn't have been told anything about her condition affecting her singing.
It's pretty clear Kanata hasn't been telling Holomems a lot of things.

>>107624385
That would make the point about her making her condition NG as moot so Polka not bringing it up doesn't mean anything.

I really don't want to speculate about her condition/health unless she says something. She blamed management.

>>107624792
she tweeted this just last month and I feel like people already forgot about it
https://x.com/amanekanatach/status/1989183087348207797

>>107625027
This tweet doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>107625027
Those are about flareups. She later tweeted that her meds were able to stabilize her condition again.

>>107625027
>【近況報告】
連絡遅くなって心配させてしまってごめん!メニエール病が悪化してました。
The irony being that a normal job is not going to be anywhere near as flexible with her episodes.

There's a good job for someone with her condition

Please, kson, save this dummy from herself

Please holomems, don't take her equipment unless to give it back later

night mengen pls...

>>107623408
>it's not normal right?
Other member's graduations didn't carry the fear that they would completely drop off of the face of the earth, especially when some of them were setting up their reincarnations DURING their final days in Holo. Even the ones that didn't go back to streaming full-time are still active. That's sort of become the expectation for graduations with how common it is now.
Instead, here she's.. moving away, getting rid of her equipment, trying to sink into wagie life.. cutting off her tether to anyone she knew. Giving herself all the chances to slink back into a worse depression and shut herself off from everything. It makes sense for both friends and heimin to be desperate to stop her with how worrying the future she has in mind is.

>>107626117
i think i'm too sad to ever cum to Casino Kanata toes again, i blew my last load without even realizing it...

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i started crying again

lol

>>107628172
that is not funny :(

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>>107628172

>>107628172
It's really hard, I know

I think whatever happens to her is just completely out of our hands. It's up to her to make the right choices and IRL friends to guide her there best they can

>>107628172
I cried in the shower earlier lol

taso will redebut as Amane Konata
BELIEVE

>>107628410
>>107628172
Fake laughs, hiding real pain

She didn't really need to make this as heartbreaking as it is. If she didn't talk about no reincarnation, no singing, getting rid of equipment, etc, then people wouldn't be worrying. Sad, yes, but not worrying like this.
I wonder why she chose disclosing that and whether that itself is a call for help

>>107629033
https://x.com/misago0422/status/1999783970876301589

>>107629033
There was an account that took her roommate's name after she ditched it. It fooled some people thinking it was still her. That account announced shutting down when Kanata stated stuff like that. She doesn't want anyone trying to claim themselves as her.

>>107615861
I saw some in Akihabara but they are like 5000 yen which is quite expensive

>>107629117
Weren't they around 4000 yen at the event? Not a terrible markup desu

>救えないよこんなん
Korone on Kanata's situation

I thought I was okay but I'm really not okay.

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Seeking employment at a Nakau in Saitama so I can give Taso extra servings and make her thighs bigger

>>107631706
Please do not fatten my daughter...

taso so fat she can't leave my house and I have to take care of her for the rest of my life

my grief is making me insane

>>107632575
you spin me right round baby right round

>>107633105
this is what I look like in real life

>>107629572
She also mentioned asking taso to please not cut ties with her. Feels like everybody is on the same page about that.

>>107633581
I feel like if you aren't proactive to a degree Taso will think that she's a liability. That's why friends like Lamy are important now

>>107633581
I can't imagine how hard it must be on taso to have to give up on Amane Kanata, when she tried to make her entire existence into Amane Kanata, so I do understand that one way to deal with it is to cut it clean off, the entire thing from top to bottom and everything attached... but...
Honestly, its unforgivable for her to cut off the women that love her so much. I hope they can stop her and help her through it.

why must such a loveable woman make it so hard to love her

>>107635027
*opens wikipedia*
A variant of dissociative personality disorder which makes her geniunely believe that what people love is Amane Kanata, and that's not REALLY her since its Amane Kanata, so that means don't really love her at all and why would anyone love her.

That'll be $3.95 plus tip.

>>107635189
If we're arm-chairing personality disorders, Kanata always felt like she fit avoidant personality disorder perfectly.

>excessive social anxiety and inhibition, fear of intimacy (despite an intense desire for it), severe feelings of inadequacy and inferiority, and an overreliance on avoidance of feared stimuli (e.g., self-imposed social isolation) as a maladaptive coping method

>>107635189
What if she really believes that she is Amane Kanata and who she was before died years ago. But since the IP is owned by Cover, she has to kill everything.

>>107635255
I might have this, now that you mentioned it.

>>107633581
>>107633974
One reassuring thing, in a way, is that her friends all seem to worry about this and know it's a problem she has. So at least they'll take that into account and try to reach out more than if they weren't aware.

https://www.youtube.com/live/LnUcTvD7Emg offcollab cooking on the 15th
kanata roboco azki iroha

>>107636301
So many off-collabs, I wish she'd done more of that sooner.

I know she has a schedule but how is gonna fit in 5 more mengens

>>107636604
like that day when she did 4 (I guess?) in one

I was starting to feel much better and then you people had to bring attention to suicide red flags and all that. It brought me right back to the pits of despair. But now, after spending a whole day feeling like shit and sleeping on it, pitting the worst fears against the strongest copes, I've managed to find some hope in the future again. What I mean to say is thank you. My hope is stronger than before.

>>107636899
I'm trying really hard to get back there, I think if someone manages to make taso swear to them, no matter what, that she will stay in contact, then I'd be good to go forever.

a kanata tulpa can save lives.

>>107637233
>2066-04-10
>I'm sitting bald in front of my quantum computer with my taso tulpa, watching AI taso playing Eldenest Ring 4 together

>>107636899

She has too many friends close by right now to fall, unless she deliberately ghosts them.

Plus all of the exholos she knows or is adjacent too, reincarnation is such an obvious path forward for her

>>107637233
What's really needed is a heimin tulpa keeping taso company.

>>107637395
I will pay money to watch the deathmatch between Rurudo and Oshio to design her reincarnation.

>>107637737
I don't think my dick would survive Rurudo Kanata

>>107636899
I don't mean any disrespect, we all only want what's best for taso, but I feel like those statements are quite far-fetched and bordering on just being projections, because ultimately none of us have any actual idea how she's going to deal with things
Maybe she'll be completely fine, maybe she'll spiral, but if that does happen she has 20 friends/former colleagues that would show up on her doorstep at a second's notice to help her figure things out
I wouldn't use the word 'rational' to describe Kanata but she definitely is smart and resourceful enough to find solutions to things

>>107637395
>She has too many friends close by right now to fall
I don't think any of her friends are close, otherwise she would have talked to them.

Who are you switching to after taso is gone?

>>107638640
I should switch to killing you

>>107638640
No one. I was watching other girls already but she was my oshi and I'm not gonna replace her.

>>107636463
They are dragging her into them to try to physically slap some sense into her

Btw, keep "that" thread alive just in case, because this one most probably will dissapear after the graduation. That's the only way to keep updates or news about her whereabouts.

>>107638640
I've already manipulated my youtube suggestions to not show any more vtuber and clip channels. If Taso's going I'm pretty much out of the VTuber scene completely and just going back to my hobbies before.
I'll keep an eye here or on tower in case Taso pops up anywhere just in case. If she come back, I'll re-evaluate everything

>>107638122
No offense taken. I really am talking just about feelings and in a very selfish way too.

I'm kinda jelly of people with like 7 oshi since they wouldn't be overinvested like I am as a singular oshi fan.
Riding a unicycle doesn't work if you remove the wheel.

>>107639021
Same, I kind of envy people who can just "choose" an oshi. I thought I had other oshis at first before Taso just "clicked". Tried to add others but it never worked

Do you consider yourself a gachikoi? I thought I was a gachikoi at first, but at some point I realized it was something much more platonic I felt for taso, much harder to describe. I would still absolutely date/fuck/marry her, but that's not really the point of it all.

>>107639230
Especially going through this, I think taso lands somewhere in the daughter or younger sister category for me. I just want the best for her, so seeing her specifically pick the path of most suffering hurts me. But I can't help still love her in a familial way.

I still don't know what emotion I should feel
Anger at Cover for being shit, or anger at Kanata for just throwing everything away and ghosting all her friends and fans to get a wagie job that will be even more miserable than what she's doing now
Depression? I don't even know.
Acceptance? I can't accept this unless Kanata actually lays forward a plan for her future that isn't self-punishing and leading towards her an hero'ing

>>107640500
>kanacoco

>>107641233
Moving-in announcement is one of the things that would calm me down completely.
I don't think I can watch hololive anymore if she ends with any form of a sayonara instead of mata itsuka, and then there's no information at all afterwards. If she moves in though? I think I'll be totally (mostly) fine.

Right now the graduation isn't even upsetting me at all compared to the uncertainty of it, which is making me freak.

>>107642006
I really fucking hope she takes kson up on the offer. I just want to know she has someone keeping an eye on her

https://youtu.be/0km5t1EZoPo?t=1426

K: ホロメンね、みんなね、大好きなんで。ホロメンなんかでな、なんか何かなったらいいなっていうのでちょっとこう思って考える機会とかができたらなとか思ったりするけど。
HoloMen, you know, I really love them. I kinda think about how it'd be nice if something happened with HoloMen or something, so I hope I get chances to think about that kind of thing.

N: 色々考えてるな。
You're thinking about it a lot...

K : 「やめるのやめろ」ちちゃきなってた。。。
The sign has become small...

N: 色々考えてるのか。。。
So you're thinking about it a lot...

K: 考えてるけどでもそう言ってもらえるの嬉しい。なんか
I am thinking about it, but it makes me happy to hear you say that. Somehow...
決めたことごめんみたいな感じではない。全然
It's not like I'm sorry for deciding (to leave). Not at all.

N : そうかそうか。
I see, I see. (enlarges sign)

How can she be so cruel ?
How can cover be so shit ?
We really live in the worst timeline.

>>107642816
Yeah, the timeline where taso has decided to quit Cover is really the one where Cover is utterly irredeemable and unforgivable.
Also I saw a few tweets saying "taso really is a S, isn't she?"

>>107642816
>決めたことごめんみたいな感じではない。全然
>It's not like I'm sorry for deciding (to leave). Not at all.

This is more like

>「かなたんの決めたことを・・・ごめん」みたいな感じではない

Meaning "It's not like you should feel apologetic for going against something I decided." Prompting Noel to make the sign big again.

>>107643012
nihongo muzzzzu

>>107643012
Haah... I see. I thought weird she called herself Kanatan There's like 2 omissions in this sentence lol.

I can't believe it's happening to my oshi. And I thought Rushia was menhera. At least she sabotaged herself clean and quick. Now we're not even sure if she dug her own grave, if management is simply retarded, malicious, or exploitive.

She probably decided to leave in late May... Guess what was at this period... The Hokkaido trip (23-26).
She said it took "about half a year" after she decided.

https://youtu.be/0km5t1EZoPo?t=452

(Danchou talking about her having decided for a long time)
うん。そうだね。
自分の気持ちの中ではもう本当にけっこ前から、ま、なんかちょっとずつ、ちょっとずつ急にドンっていうよりはみたいな感じで、
ま、もうよいよもうこれはって感じで決めて、で、完全に決定してからも半年ぐらいは取ってるからね。
Yeah. That's true.
In my own mind, it really had been building for quite a while—not like a sudden bang, but more like little by little, bit by bit.
I finally reached the point where I thought, “Okay, this is it,” and made the decision. Even after it was completely settled, It still took about half a year (to now).

Note that it's amazing how Deepl manages to pull her botched sentences together into meaningful ones.

Also idk where anon heard
>>107597900

I didn't. And the subtitles either.

>>107644105
It was in late June, not May. Watch your confirmation bias, anon

>>107644170
she did say that at one point
many heimin on twitter commented on it

>>107644170
That was definitely said at one point, I couldn't tell you the timestamp though.

>>107644170
She did say it in the beginning.
That being said, this part isn't exactly surprising because they're talking about the graduation. I think at this point no one actually disputes the graduation any more. The worry is more about what comes after

>>107638640
Not anyone from Hololive that's for sure. Company is dead to me now

>>107644366
I wish some of the girls would attack the reincarnation angle but I'm sure that's utterly NG for streaming. I hope they are in private.

>>107637298
>2066
>Not uploading your mind along with all the other heimin into the taso noosphere
anonchama...

>>107644386
I'm sure some of them are, and I'm sure taso is politely but bluntly cutting off that line of conversation for all of them.

>>107644459
I'll just keep praying one of them can convince her through any means, or at the very least put a huge crack in her the defensive wall surrounding her concept of pride.

>>107638640
Maybe korosan? I always did like her as a streamer even if she wasn't my favorite. I dunno, I kind of don't care if hololive even exists anymore, much of the older talents feel tired by this point anyway. I'll probably check in on here or tower for the heimin thread (if it's kept up...). Maybe I'll keep an eye on kson if she chimes in on taso but otherwise...

>>107644584
only if they slam their boobs on her face until she passes out

>>107639230
It's a strange sort of feeling. Like you said, if love/marriage/etc. was a genuinely feasible outcome I certainly wouldn't say no, but it feels both deeper and more distant than that. An ideal form of person I guess? Or at least she comes close to embodying that for me. Even her worst traits I find pitiable instead of off-putting like I do with others. I don't know if this is a "healthy" way to feel about someone (it certainly would be entirely unfair to expect the real person to measure up to the image inside my head), but it's genuinely the closest to how I feel about her.

>>107647398
taso doesn't wear panties when she is home alone though

i would've liked some more pokemon streams.. not even big on pokemon. kanata just made them feel nice.
fire red was one of my favorite series this year

>>107647683
Remember to tell her how much you like her game streams

>>107647683
Did she end up finishing Fire Red? I watched the first few streams earlier this year but then I got very busy for a few months and I don't remember seeing it again, which I was very sad about because those streams were very comfy

>>107648009
she did, even did some post-game stuff.
you should watch her battle with mewtwo, top-tier moment

So I rewatched the Noel stream and she honestly wasn't as bad as what the initial reaction implies. The tone of the stream was quite cozy and nothing said was actually new. Her saying she hasn't been swayed to not graduate after 1 week after having half a year to sit on it isn't exactly surprising. You're not going to have a change of heart that quickly. And the information about the equipment was already stated before.
Just saying the stream itself didn't really made anything worse than what was there before

>>107644366
I do. I still think it's a terrible mistake. I don't get why she wants out but actually not at all. Nothing in what she has cited couldn't be fixed by few months break. I think she's about to make the mistake of her life and regret it forever.

>>107648148
There's a good clip of it too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLu5Cir_6Fw

Haaton here. Sorry that both of our oshis seem to be victims of unfortunate circumstances and their own minds. Haachama's situation is still up in the air, but if company changes are as slow as they seem, I'm trying to temper my expectations. Hang in there.

>>107647986
Her game streams are hilarious, even right to the end with Detroit. Everyone telling her to never stop singing may not be helping if she's not going to be able to sing anymore

>>107648450
She literally said multiple times that it's not a problem that will be fixed by an extended break. It's a systemic problem that has no fix for the foreseeable future and if she takes a break, it's just going to end up being a cycle of working under that condition until she breaks again to take another long break. Basically, the current system is not sustainable as it is and the company has not made any significant improvements for her to believe that it will any time soon.
Yes, I think this is the best place for her financially, but considering her mental and physical health in all this, graduating isn't exactly unilaterally a bad choice.
Now, not reincarnating for me is the stupid choice here

>>107648657
I've already started saying I want to wait for her forever, no matter how long it takes for her to figure things out and no matter what form she takes, but I've been avoiding saying anything about singing yet because of exactly what you said. She dropped getsuyoru utawaku a long time ago now, and its gotten harder for her since then.
We might not have the whole story she is willing to tell yet. Maybe we do, but maybe we don't.
I don't want to run around screaming "KEEP SINGING" if she has health reports under the table.

And in a similar way, I probably need to be mind my words before I run around around screaming "KEEP PLAYING VIDEO GAMES FOR ME" as well, since that's (at least right now), not at all what her dreams or goals were. Even if her game streams are my favorite, she considers herself an idol not a gamer and she might not appreciate losing her place as an idol and just being told "well duh just play games then".

Gotta figure out the right way to get it across.

>>107648657
im a bit annoyed at the heimin ignoring everything else than singing, it might have opposite effect on her if she really feels that she cant keep singing to her own standard

>>107648624
Whatever happens, I hope things get better for Haachama too, haaton. I happened to catch that stream live and it was really heart wrenching, but I'm also kind of grateful that she just kicked all caution to the air and spoke her heart out like that. It makes it easier to be convinced that Hololive is really not a healthy environment anymore, if it ever was.

>>107648657
I was thinking about that. I've been trying to make in clear in tweets and comments that I just want her to be around over anything else. Nothing more important to me than that

>>107649185
Those tweets are still well meaning, and I can't blame anyone for being devastated at the prospect of her giving up singing. That was a big part of what made her inspirational to many people, me included. Even if it might be cruel to ask her to continue, I think the feeling that they're getting across is still an overall positive thing for taso.

>>107649981
>>107650331
I think anything positive right now is a good thing for her. I'm trying to emphasize that I want to see her after grad streaming, singing or whatever fits her but just to not give up on the internet yet

I just want her to know how loved she is... hopefully the other Holomems are able to get that across. So much of this seems to stem from low self esteem like the "it's ok because it only happened to me" bullshit with management.

>>107649185
The singing part blew up, but heimin still mention wanting to know about her wellbeing after she graduates like after Kanata's talk at the end of the day 2 of the Minecraft collab.

>>107649533
"Healthy environment" is subjective, but it's definitely not like it used to be. Now more than ever, you need the support of peers, and the tendency to shut yourself off for whatever reason is not going to help any.

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Danchou will try her best to keep in contact with taso by inviting her to eat and hopes to lend her equipment of possible.

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https://x.com/amanekanatach/status/2000034762745098653
kawaiinetaso

>>107653039
turn taso into an ASMR streamer that plays Souls games on the side

>>107653441
she can't properly do asmr with only one ear

>>107653567
We can drop the ASMR part and just do souls games then (I don't like ASMR).

>>107653567
I mean it doesn't have to be binaural. I like her whispering. I mean we can talk about content later, everyone just wants her to come back...

>>107654016
I'd love for her to do asmr, but she has avoided doing it recently. Like that time she had to do it for pekora and she decided to "direct" azki and cloe instead.

Ahhh I tried to watch the clips of the announcement to gather more infos I would have missed.
I held 2 seconds, stalled, went cooking, hyperventilated, and broke down again. Just when I was doing better the last two days.

2019 : Miko wants to quit, is convinced to stay by A-chan.
2019 : Azki want to quit, is convinced to stay by Suisei.
2019 : Pretty sure Mio too.

2025 : A-chan gone, bonded strong groups support each other and I bet my left ball they break NDA on the weekly. The ones who don't feel isolated and leave.


How did it go from "I'll be here for a long time" Taso to :
"In my own mind, it really had been building for quite a while—not like a sudden bang, but more like little by little, bit by bit.
I finally reached the point where I thought, “Okay, this is it,” and made the decision."

...I FUCKIN FOUND THE CLIP
8 DAYS since I want to find it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SNcYagjtgE

LOOK

LOOK WHAT THEY TOOK FROM US

"まだまだまだまだホロライブに居座らせてもらう"

WTF HAPPENED ?


We went from this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmQFUHD_QBU

To this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8MXvva9Yqc
This video is basically "Why I'll break down in less than a month" and poor Lamy had no idea.
9:42 : "このバタバタが自分だけなのかなとかさ。""Is this chaos/much work just happening to me?"

Then this (mindbroken Taso): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVF7QBUywhA
5:02 : "みんなはどうしてるのかなとか、これって僕だけかな?" "I wonder how everyone else is doing, is this just happening to me ?"
3:02 "二年ぐらい前からかな。。。" "About two years ago...?

There's another clip with gorireba and someone else (azki ?) where she says just about the same thing : How can I talk about my work problems without breaking NDAs ? And that other person tells her to stay in the blur. Guess I'll find it in 8 other days.
It was painted all over the floor.

https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/COVER-CORPORATION-151385540
"23-03-27 COVER Corporation has completed an IPO in the amount of ¥9.32055 billion. "


Also special mention to the freudian slip : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XSPajUOdJg?t=37
"悲しく涙が出ちゃった". "Tears of sadness... I mean happiness"

THEY BROKE OUR ANGEL

>>107654785
>bonded strong groups support each other and I bet my left ball they break NDA on the weekly
that's the problem, kanata is a turbo autist who takes it too seriously and doesn't have friends. she's never had strong bonds with anyone.

>>107654899
She is a serious person when it comes to rules. Especially with how Mel and Rushia got terminated, Kanata already being paranoid about rules wouldn't want to risk her or the holo she talks to with termination.

>>107655084
meanwhile, the subaru clique throws parties when one of them feels down

>>107654785
>watching the announcement again
Man you've got more balls than I do, I want to relisten to go over the words, but I will never open it again.
It's been closer to 5 years than any other milestone and I still remember Coco's words when she struggled to say it. I haven't watched another Important Announcement stream since then until this month.

But yeah, shit's fucked. If it wasn't for the uncertainty, I might even be celebrating a part of this situation since she's escaping. Cover is hell, and even worse for someone like taso who has had overly-critical spotlights put on her.
She's been treated unequally even since the T-word incident, its nothing new.

>>107655380
That doesn't have anything to do about Kanata not opening up to others, retard. Even when she's invited to eat out, she keeps things bottled up.

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https://x.com/amanekanatach/status/2000055969636917588
20jst

>>107655982
Maybe if she'd been able to stay with Coco for longer than a period of months, she could have made steps towards getting over mid-2020.

>>107655394
I don't if this helps, it's a little bit tangential, but Max Weber (German sociologist) wrote about about how bureaucratic or corporate life can be difficult to endure on a human level. Understanding can be useful to process things, at the very least. It's called the Iron Cage if you decide to read about it.

>>107655982
yeah, because she is a turbo autistic with no friends. read the reply chain, retard.

>>107656430
I really hope she goes back to living with her. If someone can save Kanata from herself it’s gotta be Kson.