I miss Gura.I miss 2020-2021 Hololive.
>>108345690Simpler times... really...
It's alright. We lost Ame and Gura but now we have Biboo and FWMC and CC
The fuck do you want us to do about it?You retards keep giving her money when she doesn't stream, she's learned she can continue to be a lazy shitbag.
i don't. i've realised that i was never attached to any person from myth and i barely have any particular memories of that time. it was kinda fun, but also i've almost dropped vtubers in 2021. and desu i've dropped hololive
>>108345856Well it's Cover management, look at the NYE countdown. I don't blame Gura for leaving. I just with her and other talents weren't so drained from all their time there
>>108345843yikes, and you get used to that? No anon no, there is a reason why they didn't make it first
>>108346478Better than getting used to No Streams.
>>108345690Why? She's streaming as much now as she was then.
>>108345690>I miss 2020-2021 Hololive.It's crazy how Gura was already soft-graduated by in 2022. Why did it take her 3 years to actually leave?
>>108345690That era is long dead
>>108348327Money anon duh
>>108345690I miss my sanity and many other things.As for you I have a great book for you as a replacement:Toxic parents by Susan Forward.You had emotionally absent parents and made it into your core belief and are attracted to people who display the same issues.It's time to acknowledge that your parents are human beings who made mistakes and to take ownership for your life by becoming an emotionally present parent for yourself and doing what others didn't for you.
>>108346140Is she still under Cover's shadow management?
>>108345690I miss covid, bros.I miss staying inside all day watching le funny shork and no one making fun of you for it.I miss the lockdowns.I miss normalfags breaking down mentally both irl and online.I miss the world uniting in their hatred for China. I miss boomers deciding to print a retardedly large amount of money because of the coof and ruining everyone's financial future but their own.
>>108345690I want a new Gura in hololive, someone who gives off the same vibe.
>>108345690>I miss 2020-2021 Hololive.It's fucking hilarious how Gura was only active for a bit over six months. As soon as she had money she was checked out.
>>108349190There is, was and will only ever be one Gura, and you know it.We will never experience the magic that was the debut of the funny shork loli.
>>108349282She was active all throughout 2021 tho. It's 2022 when she started disappearing. So we had a little over a year with her at her peak.
>>108348423I think she's probably still feeling the negatives of her experiences. There's a reason they say don't make your passions your job. I've gone through burnout myself, so I have more sympathy than most people. I'm not saying you have to approve of everything she does. She wouldn't be the only artist who hit it big and went through a dark period. There's much worse things that can happen to someone than not streaming.
>>108349868>it's hololive's fault guys, I-I swear
>>108349933>greentext strawmanVery compelling argument
>>108345690finally a good thread
>>108349933SHE'S STILL LEARNING!!!! LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!!
>>108348327Yeah I found it pretty depressing when I realized her decay was actually longer than any perceived golden age.
You don't owe her money, and she doesn't owe you streams. Cry about it more, makes you look wonderful.
>>108346478Biboo and CC are superior thoughbeit
>>108345690>>108345825Bet you can't even name your favorite stream.
>>108351996The Palworld stream where she featured the dinogura mod. Probably... but my favourite Gura was when she just started off and was pretending to be legitimately mentally retarded.>cheese hallsAlso her horror streams, those were always a treat. Especially that Outlast stream where she literally peed herself from the jumpscare.
>>108345690>>108349541
>>108351996Henry Stickmin
apologize to her.
>>108346607Based
>>108345843>We lost Ame and Gura but now we have Biboo and CCSounds like a great deal to me!
>>108345690I miss 2021 since that was the last year when all of them liked Hololive. Whatever Cover did to Sana in 2022 torched their view of the company and some of them were thinking "tear it down burn it down" years before they announced their graduation. I don't think they hated every day but they no longer liked Hololive and they didn't like the direction of the company. 2025 Hololive feels more corporate, more greedy, and more soulless. Hololive even ended the year with a Coca-Cola advertisement. The beatings will continue until morale improves feels like an accurate statement of modern Hololive.
>>108355002??? Sana left because 1) She was a lazy cunt and 2) she couldn't play her chinkshit gachas on stream.
I think most people can agree that holoEN was at its best during the beginning of Myth and early Council. There was a very steady decline in their motivation and overall quality. I haven't watched a holoEN stream in so long because it's usually some form of terrible or boring thing I don't care about. Most of them are just kinda there... existing, not doing much. I used to love listening to Ina but she barely streams now, a common thing among many of the ENs. I liked Nerissa too and she also just stopped streaming as much.I will never understand why Cover overloads these people with retarded work so they spend less time streaming. I feel like they really wanna pivot to almost full time singing and dancing shit, like they wanna go full music company or something. Not even idol stuff, just general singing and dancing, seems to be what they value the most right now but it has to be the way THEY want them to do it as well. They go extra hard with shill streams too. I dunno, maybe the magic was gone for me many years ago.
>>108345690we all do, anon. Those were the best of times. Just watching a vibrant lil shark playing TABS without a care in the world. *sighs* Good imes.
>>108348423She's got health issues now, and you'll never completely get over the looming specter of the past. I'm sure she feels a lot of guilt and regret.
>>108345690Back when the only problems were Kiara's main character syndrome and Mori being a blatantly out of place wigger.It's kind of crazy that the brapper and her shitbeats ended up winning. Oh well.
>>108352319Every Kronii collab, highlights for me are:>Powerwash Spongebob nerd out>Can I Haz Cheezburger? revival>Golf game when Gura keeps apologizing for making Kronii play the game
>>108348775that really was the best year of all time. get out of work, get out of school, free money, normies all roping, games and vtubers all day every day. It was heaven.
>>108355652Gura is so damn meek, its adorable. She constantly apologized to collab partners and chat for EVERYTHING. Sorry I'm breathing so loud. Sorry I sneezed. Sorry I missed that item. Sorry Sorry Sorry
>>108355409Except Hololive isn't structured like a music label either, it seems like there's huge issues on that front as well. It feels like Cover's ambitions are disconnected from the talent and it's why there's so many problems.
>>108355648>Back when the only problems were Kiara's main character syndrome and Mori being a blatantly out of place wigger.well put, now I'm conflicted that I want a time machine to go back to that time.
>>108355297Sana left because she couldn't get a model redesign and that is why so many of the other talents were either depressed or furious with management. They blamed Cover for her graduation and the overall mood went downhill in 2022 and it never completely recovered. There was some brief optimism in later years but that is why Gura started dodging every holiday collab, why they no longer had branch wide HoloEN collabs, and why the Minecraft sports festivals became a distant memory. Hololive is like most Japanese companies that they don't care about employee morale. That is a huge flaw because if the Hololive experience is horrible than fans will lose interest and go back to other hobbies. Nijisanji messed up in worse ways since their EN branch had constant scandals which is the only reason that Hololive looks good in comparison.
>>108356685they saw the fucking model before they signed on, that just doesnt hold any water, dumbass. and they all get a million outfits they can look however they want
BIBOO IS DROWNINGQUICK GURA SAVE HER
>>108345690she came back as Sameko Saba
>>108346478>there is a reason why they didn't make it firstFWMC applied to be JP and Cover didn't know how to make twins work. Biboo and CC applied after discovering Myth.>>108355002Outfitschizo...
>>108361423can't believe outfitschizo hasn't given it up yet, jesus christ
>>108345690I miss when EN didn't exist
>>108362509I miss when (YOU) didn't exist :(
>>108345690Good fucking riddance, to her and especially to her fans. Easily the worst era of hololive. The recent reveal that she's been lying about everything and actually hates you faggots is just the icing on the cake.
>>108345690Same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Ep7mhtzHQ
There's still plenty of ironic weeb grifters in EN though
>>108355648>Kiara's main character syndromekek yeah it's crazy how hard she tried to be the center of attention all the time
>>108369858your mom is the center of attention lol
>>108351996Baldi's Basics
>>108345690i miss when hololive was fun and the community wasn't full of retarded tr00ns and retard faggots. Justice was the end. im just glad im done with everything after the next concert. Too much bloat. not enough fun stuff.
>>108345690>anon with diarrhea of anti-gura threads
>>108345690
I don't, current HoloEN is much better than the awkward fake garbage from back then.Feels good having kino streams to watch every day.
>>108356685Get a tripcode.
>>108355648>It's kind of crazy that the brapper and her shitbeats ended up winning. Oh well.What's crazy to me is the baffling phenomenon that anons can simultaneously hold two contradictory opinions, those two particular opinions being:1. 4Chan is a bunch of self acknowledged social autists2. These self attested autists somehow believe they are good judges of character.Myths reception and the opinions that were formed around them were so completely off the mark it's almost comical.People with autism are inherently worse at judging people in social situations and yet they never second guess themselves.
>>108345690unc thread fr though
>>108371756No one has misjudged Mori. She's exactly the kind of piece of trash people pegged her as and her toxicity towards Hololive and its fans has for sure at least played a part in Gura getting disillusioned with the whole thing. Mori winning has *not* been a good thing for Hololive and her presence has played an undoubtedly big part in its decline on the EN side.
>>108371808I'm afraid you have a terrible case of sunken cost anon, you bet on the wrong horse 5 years ago and over the course of that time you just kept digging a deeper and deeper mental hole that you can no longer climb out from (without taking a serious hit to your ego, which would be unacceptable)
Early Holo EN: lots of focus on lore and thus interactions between girls that could only be done in EN. In jokes essentially. Modern Hololive: EN and JP are more comingled than ever before, lore is more loose to allow more crossover without everyone in JP needed to be in the know about someones "status" in lore.You could argue that the former was based, and the modern is cringe. but I would argue that you hate weebs and that a more interconnected hololive was inevitable. EN was a mistake, but a really, really pretty one. Intentionally sabotaged perhaps as well, seeing as the whole unique lore angle has been dropped almost completely in favor of company unity.
>>108345843>>108346125>>108355409>>108355002EOP scums being actually hololive antis need to be studied.Hololive/Cover has arguably changed for the better, and are now doing better than ever. it's not cover's fault that western women are so lazy, and have no work ethic. the ones who refused to adapt have already left, this also applies to some of the JP. but anyways, the JP side are doing just fine and are as entertaining as they always been.
>>108372615>Hololive/Cover has arguably changed for the betterVery shitty bait even for this board
>>108372164Didn't they drop lore completely with Dev_is.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukpCknngBY4
>>108345690>>108372615this goes for (You) too OP. just forgot to reply.
>>108372663Based
It's hard to admit, but you don't miss the early HOLOEN era, most of you just miss the bliss of the lockdown era. It just happens that you used to watch vtubers more during that time and your brain made a subconscious connection between feeling at ease mentally and watching HoloEN's first year. I bet most of people in this thread don't really care about Holo, Myth or even Gura herself, they just miss the simpler times.
>>108372643pretty much. dev_is are basically cultural ambassadors and collab comedians. they barely have any community lore. I think en tried going the cultural representative route too, thats why nerissa is so Midwest and biboo is thai. at least thier lore includes fantasy stuff for thier communities. but, honestly, i dont think the cultural amabassador thing really works well for EN, just look at justice. you can't appeal to nationalities, you appeal to subcultures, but people in management dont understand that. this could be part of the "direction" that all the other girls left over but thats just speculation.
>>108371957What in the fuck is this retard talking about?
>>108345690I miss 2020-2021 Nyanners.
>>108373090You're assuming OP isn't a NEET.
>>108369858>kek yeah its crazy how hard she triesftfy. Not her fault the rest of the stupid lazy whores dont put out any effort the way she does
>>108372639game perms are better than they've ever been, there's more solo lives than ever, they have way more managers now and EN's director isn't omega.how are things not better for EN?
>>108370705anon there hasn't been a kino stream since Gura left. You know why? Because all of advent and justice fucking suck, and ruin anything they're in
>>108374565you can't polish a turd, anon
>>108346607Irrefutable
>>108374565>they have way more managersAh yes just what cover neededMore useless bloat
>>108374579I don't blame Advent or Justice. Didn't you see the NYE countdown?
>>108374579Kill yourself nijitroon
>>108348775>and no one making fun of you for it.Oh trust me we were all still making fun of you creepy pedos.
>>108374816no? I was watching entertaining streamers. What happened?>>108374955not liking justice=niji? they're the most niji gen hololive has had, retard. rent free.
>>108375083Go watch it
I really miss Asacoco 2.0 and Reddit meme review.
>>108374579We are talking about "all of advent and justice fucking suck", but do you have enough balls to just say that Kiara has always been awful?
>>108345690why
>>108377664Ever since Council, EN has always been mostly awful.Kiara and Mori have been shit from the get go for different reasons.Sana was dogshit. The rat is a terrible fusion of Mori and Kiara. Kronii is a gook femcel feminazi.Advent only has Biboo (no, the quasi-JP nipwank duo are NOT good) and Justice is a disaster generation.
>>108378932Nobody asked you nijinigger
was Gura one of the bad ones all along?
>>108345690I don't. I'm glad the queen of secondaries and tourists is gone.
>>108380151Mori is still there
>>108345690I love modern Hololive.
>>108379944No shit. Just like her fans.
>>108345843Ame leaving was nothing of consequence, she was boring as fuck.
>>108348775>I miss staying inside all day>I miss the lockdowns.>I miss normalfags breaking down mentally both irl and online.>I miss the world uniting in their hatred for China.same, the best time in human history for everyone that isn't a normalfag
>>108378737The copyright/perm hysteria wasn't rampantly cucking content. The talents of that period actually had a passion for the medium and weren't just clout chasing sluts trying to get rich quick.
>>108345690I don't lmao
>>108377664Kiara isn't my cup of tea, but I do respect her. I just can't watch her. She tries though, she really really tries her flat little ass off. Which is more than I can say for most of the girls
>>108379770mindbroken retard, only thinking of niji in every circumstance yet again
>>108378932>feminazitrannies always let slip lmaoimagine being so deranged
>>108383868Is it weird how I used to like her but now I kinda agree with this? I tried to re-watch some streams but realized she was too much into FPS slop so it's surprisingly hard to find good streams to watch again. Her Donkey Kong stream was nice though, and I noticed she never finished Limbo.
>>108357455>they saw the fucking model before they signed onHololive is a golden ticket for an indie vtuber but I am guessing that Astel, Aruran, Flare, Kaela, Ina, Sana, Kronii, Shion, Magni, and Vesper would disagree with your idea that it was an easy choice. There wouldn't have been years of malicious compliance in the EN branch or sudden graduations if talents believed they had to be completely obedient to their employer.>and they all get a million outfits they can look however they wantThat is damage control since their default outfit is used for most of their 3D lives, concerts, and generic merch. After the huge graduation wave they are starting to be more reasonable. Cover went from having upskirt shots during songs in the Myth 4th anniversary to not forcing any of them to use their default outfits in their 5th anniversary (the first EN anniversary where none of the talents used their default outfit for the entire 3D live). Still it took a year with 7 graduations to make that change.>>108361423>OutfitschizoKronii had a stream called "New Year New Me (Literally)" which is even less subtle than what Kaela was doing in early 2024.>>108371808Gura was disillusioned with Hololive because of garbage management and blaming other talents is nothing but corporate bootlicking.>>108372615>Hololive/Cover has arguably changed for the betterWith the Nexus gate portal I think you are correct if only by accident. There will be major changes in Hololive to limit the number of graduations in 2026. Most of them will be the EN side but I have the feeling there will be a few model redesigns even on the JP side.
>>108395176stop lying about my oshi already outfitschizo, a fucking bit stream is not evidence for your retarded fanfic
>>108395929>stop lying about my oshi already outfitschizoCoomers, or Cover employees, were denying the Kaela model redesign until the week it was announced even though it was hinted at for months. "New Year New Me (Literally)" was more than a comedy skit with different versions of Kronii. The Nexus gate portal (which has multiple acts) sounds really similar to the dimensional travel lore they used to explain the model redesign for Astel and Aruran.
>>108396606>>108396606>Kaela redesignfor one, it's literally more revealing, for two Kaela always had issues with her model? It wasn't a secret that it had issues being translated into 3D alongside just not being an actual blacksmith outfit>"New Year New Me (Literally)" was more than a comedy skit with different versions of Kroniiit was exactly that and to pretend otherwise is just another excuse to justify your bullshit in the face of all facts against it>le Nexus Gatenobody fucking cared about that shit I don't know why you're so obsessed with it
>>108383868Agree.Her most relevant stuff was giving tech support to the rest of Myth, Watoto (which was admittedly pretty funny) and her car shop in Rust. Can't remember anything else from her, honestly. Maybe a couple exchanges with Gura.
>>108373090No idea what you are talking about, anon. I miss their collab and older content. That's it.Also less censorship, nowadays Hololive is PG AF.
