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>>109443548
Shredded and stepped on like my smile

>>109443548
This hurts now.....

>>109443548
Why is Fuwawa holding toilet paper...

>>109443522
But really, look at all the love they showed for us a couple days ago. Those feelings don't vanish overnight. But in the end, they're still just girls my age who make dumb decisions and mismanage their sleep until things crash and burn.
It's not all doom and gloom, but the one thing that really bugs me is that they're doing this while knowing how important it is to us...

>>109444371
Let's be honest, it's 50% Mococo and 50% Fuwawa for not stopping Mococo. Or maybe we should blame Mococo 100% and Fuwawa's older sister instinct will cause her to institute some tough love regarding homework since she can't stand seeing Mococo blamed.

It's extremely unlikely that BOTH of them have a date on valentine's day.
So which of them is it?

>>109444428
Yeah. I think the trend has been that Mococo cares more about idol activities (even in the past when she was following 2010s chika idols), and Fuwawa is the one who pushes the fanservicey stuff with us. Mococo still loves us, but it's more abstract, like wanting us to be more confident and all that. I think their internal view of idol culture is a bit different.

smiles status?

>>109444371
That's why I am disappointed but not mad. The 3D room review was really such a great stream

Is 3 stories high enough to jump from tomorrow?
I can maybe break into a like 10 story building near me

Okay my X feed is full of vtubers who live in Japan suddenly struggling with visa shit, running around filling in new paperwork. Apparently there are price increases? Anyway it's 100% why FWMC had to take a week off. I don't know why they chose the "we're sick" excuse instead of just "somethings come up and we have to take time off for administrative duties" like Raora did, I guess they just think its a better kayfabe.
https://x.com/i/status/2022349143709212866

>>109445017
Raora had to straight up stop using her twitter because it would count as work, I don't think IRyS' issues are the same as hers.
It could be that IRyS and FUWAMOCO share the same issues and it's different from Raora, so that's the homework they'll have to take care of even while taking time off to rest, but it's not the reason why they can't stream, otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to tweet without hiding behind "manager-san here"

>>109445017
Retard. If it were work visa issues, they wouldn't even be allowed to tweet because that counts as business. That's why managers have to make tweets, why Mumei couldn't do anything on her own account, why Ina had to go radio silent, etc.

>>109445188
It may not necessarily be the exact same circumstances for each person. But you're the retard if you think its unrelated to every other JP-based vtuber suddenly having issues all at the same time
https://x.com/PiaPiUFO/status/2022300466399637861?s=20

>>109443548
>he beleebed

>lurking in work call
>someone asks what everyone is doing for Valentine's
so fucking over

>>109445477
Maybe it added to their overall stress

>>109445581
They already apologized for the JST RnR Party because it was literally the only time they could find to do it, so add suddenly having to spend several hours doing urgent paperwork and there's no choice but to cancel streams.
I hope that's not exactly what happened because in this case what they're lying about is resting.

Almost morning in JST now, maybe they'll say something soon

>>109445620
Yeah, it's probably something like this. But this is where I wish they'd do a smaller stream instead of cancelling outright, because this situation looks bad to outsiders and feels awful for us

>>109443522
Fuwawa Fuwawa Fuwawa Fuwawa Fuwawa

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>>109445548
Why didn't you say you had a date with Mococo....

>>109445813
Maybe he can't because motherfucking Mococo canceled it.

>>109445678
Even a 30 minutes twitter space would be enough for me, what matters is that it's Valentine's, I don't give a shit about VR Chat, and Christmas ASMR wasn't any more christmasey than the previous month's one, so it doesn't matter when they do it.
But history shows they don't really like last minute change of plans and time and time again they chose nothing over doing something else, so it's just on brand.

What if disease-ridden rats made a nest on their computer desk and they can't stream would you forgive them?

It just hurts.
I don't know what else to say.

>>109445958
Why the fuck would Bae make a nest on their desk?

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>>109445838
>Even a 30 minutes twitter space would be enough for me, what matters is that it's Valentine's
They aren't going to be home, anon.
I think they've been trying to give us hints for a long time now.

>>109445620
>add suddenly having to spend several hours doing urgent paperwork and there's no choice but to cancel streams.
Yeah, but for an entire *week*? Sorry but I don't believe it.

>>109445958
I don't know if you intended it but this made me laugh. I can imagine Fuwawa's voice going up an octave in response to this. I miss them.

>>109445838
Well said.

>>109446046
You should take the hint to kill yourself too. They've been saying this for a while.

>>109446087
Maybe I'm naive, but I feel like they'll backpedal on the week thing. Kinda feels like they panicked about something and just needed to shut the world off for a bit. I remember they ended their post-Fes break earlier than planned last year.

>>109445620
They planned the JST Rock and Rawr party because they needed a stream for JST valentines night to show they weren't on a date or something. It was the same last year. They did it for you, anon.
But now none of it matters either way, obviously.

>>109446087
What does an entire week mean here? We only knew of their plans for 3 days and then the charity stream. With their recent stream frequency that could very well be all there was in the first place, and it would actually be a way busier than usual week in terms of streams.
Look at the previous week, it was three streams. Afterparty, Mario Kart and Fish game.
You make it sound like a lot more than it realistically was.

>>109446216
It doesn't really matter. After they've pulled back farther and farther with the frequency of intimate streams, even just playing single player games with us, I have a really hard time believing the timing of all this was a coincidence. They knew how much everyone was looking forward to this. I don't understand how there isn't even time for a one hour stream on Valentines night.
The only thing that makes sense is they know they won't be home and so they can't.

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>>109446021
So she can temp the ruffians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQbU8cbxpiI
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/140899178

>>109446307
I just don't believe they can't find a couple of hours to spend time with the ruffians, especially after canceling the valentines streams. They should be trying their best to do it, not telling us to wait a week.

>>109446554
They probably have some urgent tax stuff to do and everything takes them twice as long since they're two people and they have to do it individually together.

>>109446554
Sleeping on stream twice in a row makes for good clips but shows they were already in no condition to be spending those couple of hours. A staff member calling Fuwawa because Mococo fell asleep at the studio is just depressing. They're not going from 100% to 0%, they were already streaming while in no condition to stream.
It's just not a good look to be sleeping at the studio, to their managers who know exactly what they're doing it shows how hard they're working, to random staff who has no time to keep up with individual members it looks like not being commited and not caring about your job.
They should have been more proactive and cancelled the streams nobody cared about to rest instead of keep pushing forward and ending up missing valentine's of all things, but oh well. Hopefully they learn now.

>>109446554
They are not going to be home and so they will not have access to their stream set up during Valentines night or the following morning.
That is what that means. You can come up with some kind of explanation for why they suddenly found out they won't be home that would make sense and doesn't involve cuck shit, I don't care.
If they were home, they would at least try and talk to us on Valentines Day. All I know for sure is that are not going to be home.

I've seen conflicting feelings about this topic in the previous threads so I'm curious about everyone's thoughts:
Should they do a lovey dovey Valentine's tweet/post or is it in bad taste after canceling the streams so suddenly? Would you prefer them to stay silent/not acknowledge Valentine's day?

>>109446671
The worst is case is if a manager reports it and they force them to take a 6 month break from streaming for no good reason. Which won't help anything since homework is the bigger time commitment for them.

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>>109446714
It is kind of fucked up that they force talents to take breaks from streaming when they don't consider time streamed to be hours worked when scheduling stuff and talents have to stream on their free time already.
>You're working too much, so you need to change what you do on your free time to make sure you have more time to rest
Is kind of a really shitty thing to say while pretending to care for someone's health.

>>109446671
>Hopefully they learn now
I've seen these exact words posted here multiple times in the past

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>>109443548
Read the room, man. At least post this when they get back.

>>109446705
It doesn't matter to me.
None of this makes sense to me so I just feel betrayed. I guess I would rather they didn't say anything and come back with a lie that's more believable.

>>109446705
Don't really feel strongly either way. If they do it I'll appreciate it, if they don't I won't really care. It's not like Valentine's Day was super important to me before them, I celebrate it with them, if they're not celebrating it's just a day.

>>109446759
I don't think the timing was ever as bad as this. Them pushing with Golden Week which ended with them being forced to take a week was just a random week like any other, they pushed for the stuff that mattered and missed some random week. This time it's the opposite, they pushed themselves with shit like Minecraft clone stream and ended up missing something that matters.

>>109445017
Could it be related to that female prime minister saying FOREIGNERS OUT a week ago?

>>109446759
I'm getting deja vu from when both of their voices got fucked and mane-chan banned them from twitter for a week. Everyone was saying they hoped FWMC would learn from it, but no, they didn't.

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>>109446774
Matamata Sakamata...

>half the birthday at JST in Japanese without live subs
>male in their birthday concert
>Valentine's day completely cancelled last minute with little to no explanation other than them wanting to rest and do homework
Not the best month of FUWAMOCO for sure.

How do we get Fuwawa to reign in Mococo? She's causing too much trouble and putting them in a rough spot now with her obsession

I don't see them realistically making it to the five year mark.

>>109446705
I guess I wouldn't mind a member post where they're really apologetic

>>109446705
Lose-lose situation. If they ignore it, then the shitposters will obviously use it as an angle and some Ruffians will feel bad. If they do it it's going to feel too "performative" and rub salt on the wound because they literally just canceled those streams. I can't decide which is best or worst, both are terrible options.

We need at least one public gachikoi crashout for them to remember

>>109446753
I think it reeks of an outdated approach applied to a job that it shouldn't apply to. Oh we're graciously allowing you a health break but you're banned from doing anything you want. And you still have to do paperwork and sign stuff. No worries about losing all that momentum and fan good will. If you become a 3view when you return, it's not our problem to fix.

It's more of a punishment if anything.

>>109446705
I don't care now. They already crossed the line of cancelling it all so silence might be best. All I want is any clarification afterwards about how something was so urgent and last minute they cancelled everything. We don't need specifics but elaborating beyond we needed rest is a must.
I wouldn't be opposed to a cute loving Valentine's members post but they absolutely shouldn't tweet.

>>109447064
If it was from a Japanese fan they might listen.

>>109446705
I don't want a loveydovey post as though everything was normal right now.
I do think a post that shows they are unhappy about this but are looking forward to being with us soon and making up for it would be good though.

I'm glad I didn't order their birthday merch yet.
It already felt weird after they've been so distant lately. And now this.

>>109447040
Depends on what they post. As an example it would feel completely earnest and not performative in the slightest if they just share in the post something they planned to do. Like say a screenshot of whatever room they would be in the VR Chat stream to hint at what they were preparing. Or a photo of the items they wanted to use for the ASMR, or something like that.

>>109446420
This angle doesn't make sense though, because if they were hiding something like that, they wouldn't do it on Valentine's. They could move personal plans to any random tuesday and no one would notice.

>>109447013
Every time Fuwawa tries to put her foot down, Mococo suicide baits her.

>>109447037
I'd forgive and forget everything if they actually give a good reason for the cancellations outside of *homework*. I want to believe that they aren't telling us everything and hopefully this happened because something outside their control and not just their stupidity and "hunger".

>>109447090
>All I want is any clarification afterwards about how something was so urgent and last minute they cancelled everything. We don't need specifics but elaborating beyond we needed rest is a must.
This.

>>109447085
Exactly, it's even weirder because at least as far as we're seeing most of their monetization methods are still relying on the connection built through streams. The IP monetization future isn't here yet, people aren't buying FWMC stuff and giving FWMC money because of their designs, they do it because it's FWMC.
A talent being too busy to stream because they're working on something that will only sell if they stream is ridiculous. This conflict of interest shouldn't be a thing. Either only have them working on things that will pay for the labor itself, regardless of streams, or consider streaming part of the working hours.

>>109447194
They've done this before and it turns out they were having dinner with Suisei or something. If they want a break, give them a break. No need to worry too hard.

>>109447095
The Japanese fans don't even know their Valentine's streams are cancelled yet.

>>109446705
I'm already bitter over the cancellation and the flimsy reason they gave. It would only sound tone deaf like everything is fine when it's not.

>>109446894
I don't think the hytale streams were the cause of them being tired, anon. They were tired because they've been staying up every night for some reason leading up to them. Mococo said she likes to get up early in the Morning. The reason she fell asleep during the streams is because she didn't sleep at all. And it happened at least three times.
Everyone here keeps forgetting that they start their usual streams around 11 AM JST. Those are hours they should be up and awake for anyway. So the streams are not the problem.

>>109447095
yeah...

>>109447282
I'll never understand why they pulled an all nighter for a shitty chilla arts game that no one was enjoying. That's at least the second time that those slop trash games have caused them to be sick or miss streams. Stop playing that garbage please.

It's not that hard to imagine a significant other originally being okay with one of them working through valentine's day and then right before having a big blow up like
>You're always putting your job ahead of our relationship! Spending time with men you don't even know!
causing her to cancel in a panic to smooth things over
and of course they can't cancel JUST valentine's day that would look incredibly suspect

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We need to deal with the Mococo situation.
If it was Fuwawa by herself we wouldn't have all these issues, she's a professional and very fluffy.

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>>109446705
Go to bed Mococo and stop doomscrolling.

>>109447335
I like the fish song...

Do you think they know that this is a problem? People are only going to be supportive in public

>>109447282
I'm not saying they were the cause, I'm saying they're streams nobody cared about that should have been replaced with rest. 7 hours of fishing game that went all night with them saying they still worked the next day without going to bed was very clearly not a great choice. If they used those 7 hours to rest, do homework or both, we could maybe have at least one of the streams they're cancelling.
They're not tired because they streamed those things, but if they rested instead of streaming while barely being awake they would be less tired.

>>109447348
Fuwawa would be so in love with the wuffians that she would probably forget to do her taxes and get sent to jail.

>>109447383
Do they have some kind of illness? Plenty of holos stream more than that and aren't canceling streams left and right.

>>109447361
No, they'll only know cancelling valentine's is a bad thing if you convince the entire thread to repeat your concern trolling in their comments.

>>109447361
They will when the Japanese learn there's no JP Valentine's stream and flood the hashtag and egosa.

>>109447446
She almost got a business degree though. She would audit my taxes and question whether an onahole is truly a home office expense.

if my apartment is 3 stories if I get on the roof is that 4 stories?

>>109447204
It's a shame though it's unlikely to change unless something massive happens.

Gura never missed a valentine's day for four years. They are skipping it after just 2

I know that Fuwawa would never choose to miss Valentine's with the wuffians so she has to be held against her will right now. She needs us to keep cumming for her and sex posting even if she isn't allowed to see us.

>>109447361
Who fucking knows. All I want is for them to do the VR stream and the ASMR stream when they get back. Also a better explanation as to why it was a must to cancel on us for Valentines day.

>>109447503
this is one of the most hurtful posts so far

>>109447469
Plenty others don't. People are different. Even Koyori that everyone mentions to say that she's superhuman and doesn't need rest recently took a rest break, same for Kaela.

>>109447156
classic younger sister tactic

>>109447488
Fuwawa as your private accountant... she truly is the perfect woman

>>109447141
Last year, the day after Valentines, Gura said she had been sick and that's why she ghosted her fans for Valentine's Day. It was later found out to be a complete lie.
Sometimes women feel FOMO if they miss out on having a romantic picturesque holiday and so it needs to be on the actual day for them. Other times, deals and special events are only available to couples on the actual day and so it becomes a practical issue as well. Japan especially usually has all sorts of deals for couples going to resorts/spas/travel/dining/etc for Christmas Eve and Valentines day. Those are extremely popular date nights and so every place is competing to entice couples to come to their businesses.

>>109447446
>>109447488
Can you really earnestly imagine a timeline where Fuwawa became an accountant?

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>>109447566
I will hire her

So what do ruffians talk about at fes and expo now? How our oshis are retards killing themselves?

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>>109447489
I don't think that's high enough anon... you're just going to break your legs or paralyze yourself

>>109447503
Yeah, so much better to skip the whole year except for the easy paychecks instead of showing up for fun stuff like the self booth stream and not being around for easy money.

>>109447617
Papa puppy...

>>109446705
I personally would want them to say SOMETHING, to not just disappear from the internet like they do sometimes when they have these sudden breaks

I personally don't give a shit the idea of "Oh they need to verify to us that they're not on a date on Valentine's!" type shit people say about streaming on the day. I appreciate when they go through that effort on JST and NA Valentine's like they have in years past, but I trust them enough to not care about that stuff

What I AM frankly disappointed by is the fact that Valentine's along with Christmas were always meant to be THE special days we shared together. Like if you asked me before today I never would have thought FWMC would EVER cancel a Valentine's stream. It was up there with never doing a male collab for me in terms of belief (not counting bullshit like Kuro-chan)

So now that they've cancelled I'm just left feeling like they date isn't actually special to them. I was already dissapointed when they announced they wouldn't be doing the VN streams for the holidays this year, but I was understanding about it because really I don't need anything big or fancy for a day to feel special, but I still WANT it to feel special. To not just treat it as any other day. Even just one little message would at least let give me a pick me up and make the day feel a bit more special than it would have otherwise, and would let me feel that they also care about the date and want it to be special even if they can't do much, which is all I ever wanted from them for the holidays.

>>109447503
To be fair, gura's main issue is ONLY showing up for stuff like valentines

>>109447503
Gura is also a grifter.

Into the void ruffians wish me lucky
BANZAI

>>109447335
I think maybe you have it a little backwards. I don't think they pulled an all-nighter to play the chilla's game. I think the played the chilla's game because they pulled an all-nighter. They've been doing it a lot lately and I have no idea why.

>>109447503
yeah she only missed the rest of the year kek

>>109447489
Pull an Etika and find a really high bridge over a lake.
I miss that nigger like you wouldn't believe.

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ハッピーバレンタイン

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>>109447751
>In Mocokong we trust

I'm ready for the water works next stream which you all will fall for again

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>>109447679
>I don't think they pulled an all-nighter to play the chilla's game. I think the played the chilla's game because they pulled an all-nighter.
What the hell do you even mean? The only reason they were up that day was because they were playing the Chilla's game. If they didn't play that game they would have been able to get to sleep earlier or at the very least work on homework that actually matters and not playing a shit video game. They aren't pulling all nighters for fun.

>>109446705
Naked dogeza. They honestly fucked up big time here and I'm not quite sure they realize the extent of it.

>>109447722
Thanks Patra-oneechan

>>109447805
You know, I didn't think it was that big of a deal before, but you make a good point, I think showing their buttholes is the only way to make up for this.

>>109447644
I really want it to be special too. I still remember the first time I ever spent money on vtubers was when I got a month of membership for the first Valentine's VN. I posted about it here, and a Gosling poster just said "welcome home." It really did feel like home.
I was so thankful that Valentine's became something to look forward to, and not just another weekday. This whole situation would have been unthinkable in the past.

>>109447503
that was early vtubing when it was taken more seriously

>>109447777
>quads
fuck, you're right

>>109447805
>They honestly fucked up big time here and I'm not quite sure they realize the extent of it.
I really don't want to think this of them, but they're woman and I'm sure they don't fully understand how much this hurts to some of us lonely fucks.

>>109447503
Gura still hated the chumbies

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I know it might sound strict and drastic, but here's what a new manechan needs to do

1. They now stream at JP evening hours and go to bed around midnight. 30 mins of phone and social media time max, then it's sleep.
2. Only participate in 2 voice packs per year max.
3. Eat real food with fresh ingredients.
4. Pick a few things you want to do and be known for and stick to them, don't try to be everything.
5. Stop recommending shitty songs and games to Advent.
6. Let a tech savvy vtuber like Botan actually look at their setup and fix and improve it and show them how to stream like someone who knows what they are doing.

>>109447383
There's no good reason they should be staying up all night in the first place. Streaming at 11 AM is normal for them, so blaming them streaming instead of resting only makes sense once. If you choose to focus on them streaming as the problem, you are losing sight of the big picture which is that they shouldn't be staying up the entire night in the first place. Additionally, if what you're saying is adopted as a long-term solution, then that will mean that they'll never stream at all. At least not for EN hours.

>>109447892
Of course they understand it. I saw people thinking they were insulting their fans by saying it'll be a lonely valentine's, but to me it's the opposite, it's them acknowledging that to a lot of us it's all we had, there are no backup plans, we'll just do nothing instead.

A flat woman in a tight workout top and booty shorts is my weakness

>>109447920
>They now stream at JP evening
Yeah nah fuck that

FWMC cancelling Valentine's Day is a huge blow to them

>>109447942
It's necessary for their own health and proper sleep rhythm. All else is egoistical.

>>109447777
Happening

>>109447805
>I'm not quite sure they realize the extent of it
I seriously doubt it, after seeing hundreds of supportive posts telling them that they are *happy* about the cancellation, and that they did *nothing* wrong

>>109447965
Then they might as well graduate from Advent and redebut in JP completely fresh.

>>109447920
I don't mind them reducing the number of VPs, but it will be back to square one if they are picked for the world tour

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>>109447929
>there are no backup plans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQbU8cbxpiI

>>109447920
>1.
Stopped reading there.

>>109447777
Dude the members stream when they get back is about to be so fire

>>109447926
The 7 hours were literally their whole night spent streaming, it wasn't at the usual time.
Yes, if they only rest at the time they would normally stream that means no streams, which in turn means in order to stream they have to get their balance somewhere else. Just going "it's fine" and streaming anyway isn't sustainable long term, as we're seeing right now. The only thing they can cancel last minute are streams. They can't cancel visa paperwork if they're having issues with that now, they can't cancel homework with tight deadlines with other creators waiting for their work in order to do theirs, so in the short term the only thing they can nuke to rest are streams.
But this is an issue that will solve itself no matter what because zero streams becomes a financial issue too, so even the most jaded person who thinks they don't care about their fans and only think about money would have no reason to believe they would be ok with never streaming again.

>>109448002
Raora streams during JP evening. I don't see calls for her graduating

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>>109447920
>They now stream at JP evening hours and go to bed around midnight
No.

>>109448013
Man, fuck you, I'll see you at work.

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>>109448013
This whore needs to do more gfe roleplay. She's really good at it.

>>109448002
No need, there are EN viewers around the world, no rule says holoEN needs to stream for PST forever. Especially if you move far away and change time zones. They evidently don't handle sticking to that time slot well (just look at the FWMC Morning disaster).

You know this is true but don't want to hear it because it would force you to watch VODs. I guess you'd rather them die than stream at hours inconvenient for you. Real fan.

>>109448013
When no one else got me I know Bae got me

>>109447999
All the supportive comments saying don't worry are really shitty. Not only does it make them think what they did was okay it also gives the message that people don't even care about Valentine's or their streams and are fine if they don't do them. Aka here comes more recordings and voice packs instead.

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>>109448013
Bae is SUCH a cutie!!

>>109448099
I don't care in the sense that a nice loveydovey ASMR is good now or next weekend. I don't care about it specifically being on Valentine's. I'm not an American consumerist.

>>109448099
One of the replies specifically said he already has like 18 other valentine's streams. A lot of people actually don't care about valentine's at all, when you're as big as a holo you'll just have all sorts of fans.

>>109447849
Ask almost every Ruffian(including myself) who's been here from the first year about when they started getting heavily invested in FUWAMOCO and almost all of them will mention those VN streams from the first year. That entire Winter was amazing, but they truly put their hearts and souls into those two VN streams and the fact that now they aren't even streaming on one of those holidays is just crazy to me.

They cared so much as to spend thousands of dollars and lose hours of sleep and now in their 3rd year that same effort to make the holiday a special event together is just.....nothing? Like I KNOW Valentine's matters to them, this makes no sense to me

>>109448099
I just don't care about valentines, as long as the streams happen anyways I don't care if it's this week or next

>>109448099
you are free to post harsher comments. I saw a few here and there. No one is fighting or pushing back against those

>>109448025
I hope it's Battle Plan 2 but worse

>>109448099
>Not only does it make them think what they did was okay it also gives the message that people don't even care about Valentine's or their streams and are fine if they don't do them.
Yeah, it's a really tone deaf response to their apology. The worst part is that I know for a fact that at least half of the dedicated Ruffians are just writing that as lip service when they are actually disappointed.

https://x.com/shiorinovella/status/2022431049549295901

Come home Ruffians

>>109448082
Who told them to move? Why did they gaslight us into thinking nothing would change?

>>109448150
Well obviously they wanted to do something, it was on the schedule. But something bad happened and they had to go so far as to outright cancel them instead of just moving them by some hours.

>>109448190
Maybe year one Shiori but nope not now not ever

>>109448190
what the fuck is she doing to that chocolate

>>109448190
Wow Shiori is really fat

>>109448261
kek BAUSED

>>109448261
I think Fuwawa is probably bigger now with all the pon de rings and dinners with Newissa.

>>109448190
Memories of Poko handcam..

>>109448170
Yeah, it's weird. I didn't say anything to them because I don't have anything positive to say, and I don't want them to get upset. I just came here because I don't know any other place that allows good faith negativity (unfortunately we have to wade through bad faith negativity too)

>>109448163
Doubt it. They really wanted to do those jp streams and had push back from the jp schizos in chat and the vod comments. They'll get the yesmen reassurance since they all think a family member died and no one has the balls to come out and say they are sad FWMC canceled because they needed "rest"

>>109448338
It's called benefit of the doubt. I'm not gonna be that rude to them only for them to reveal something actually bad happened a few days later making me look like a giant douchebag.

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>>109446894
They aren't pushing themselves with streams, they're spending 60+ hours at the studio a week being too perfectionist in everything they do.

>>109447792
They did not pull an all-nighter to play a chillas game at a time that was weird for even JP hours. They must have been doing something, felt there was no way they were going to sleep, and then spontaneously decided to stream.
You keep wanting to blame everything that's happened on the few times that they streamed games, and I've been trying to tell you nicely, but you still don't seem to get it, so let me tell you directly: that's incredibly fucking retarded.
It's very clear that they are having some kind of persistent sleep issue that is becoming a regular problem. It has nothing to do with them streaming at their normal stream times or even during JST primetime hours. They used to have no problem doing homework and then streaming for a couple hours way more frequently than they do now. Their inability to get homework done, if that really even is the truth, is not going to be affected by them streaming for a couple hours to play a game a couple times a week.
There was no reason for them to stay up the entire night before the hytale streams unless they are being overworked or they have fallen into some kind of cycle of mismanaging their time.
Them playing that chilla's art game a few weeks ago is not the reason why they've canceled Valentines Day. You are being ridiculous.

>>109448170
I saw their message when I first woke up this morning so I kinda left just a generic "I'll wait for you FUWAMOCO!"
But the more I've thought about the more I feel like I should have said more about how I'm disappointed, because truthfully I am.

I think I'll leave a more harsh comment if they do some kind of members explanation stream after their break.

>>109448364
Yes, but streaming anyway when you can't even stay awake is a terrible choice. Balance means everything has to give a little. Streams have to be the start because it's the only thing that is entirely up to them. The 60 hours they spent this week weren't doing stuff they signed up for this week, it was already scheduled for a while.
That's what I mean, they're pushing to do things they didn't have to do. The 60 hours in your example they unfortunately do have to do because they already signed up for it a while ago.

>>109448326
Same. I know it's a really shitty thing to say, but I hope they ignore all the toxic positivity and actually feel bad about it.

Just flood the hashtag each day with how much you miss them. Really rub the guilt in and show that we miss them much much more than they miss us.

>>109448428
You shouldn't feel the need to hide your true feelings. Battle Plan 2 had JPschizos going all out and they didn't ban anyone nor delete any comments

I bet the ruffians who just dropped hundreds of dollars on birthday merch feel like retards

>>109448486
That was before they had mods who ban gray names saying hello in prechat. I don't think the harsher ones would survive nowadays. Though I don't think they would personally do it or even ask for it.

>>109448478
I trust Mococo to look past those toxic positivity comments. She's always second guessing us with "are you sure Raffians?"

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>>109448486
I don't trust that in a world where the new dedicated mod team is permanently banning on first offense with no appeal. Although I guess a world where I get nuked for giving constructive criticism is not one where I want to remain a Ruffian anyways...

>>109448490
Yes feels terrible to support the best content they ever did in hololive.

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>let's all overreact and become assholes and shit on them and act like they are evil yabbers who just pulled a Nimi or Rushia on us or something

Or maybe extend some trust, if they are actually your oshis you wouldn't be so quick to turn anti without even knowing yet what is going on.

>>109448510
I don't see the new mods deleting comments over complaints about kurochan in the yt posts

>>109448568
>ruffian
Sadly it's Cover-wide, you'd have to leave Hololive as a whole.
https://coveredge.cover-corp.com/en/list/3699

>>109448618
>The team’s responsibilities include monitoring comments on livestreams across video platforms such as YouTube and Twitch as well as managing anti-defamation measures on social media and major online forums.
>major online forums
They here on /baubau/?

This honestly feels like an all time low for them

So since Shiori has S-team should we call the yesmen F-team then?

>>109448478
Exactly lol. There's no proper way to convey this concept to them, but that's what I wish I could say

>>109448600
They did delete some in the afterparty comments, actually. I forgot to screenshot them, but it was all ESL babble that read like it came straight from those containment breaking twitter meme accounts. All along the lines of "They only cares about idol dream no smiles anymore they left you wuffians"

>>109448485
or maybe stop acting like a woman and be honest with them instead
seriously some of you need to get a grip

>>109448618
FUWAMOCO are the only hololive members I watch, so same difference.

>>109448594
I trust them and I'm still disappointed. I expected more from them, especially for valentines.

>>109448594
me expressing my sadness directly doesn't make me an anti

enjoy you dogshit oshies
i am no longer a fan
>haha u will be ronery!!
fuck em

I'm having cloudy feelings...

>>109448657
Fags have been leaking important dates to play thread celebrity on this board and even this very thread for years now, what do you think?

>>109448709
jap-sama...

>>109448029
>They can't cancel visa paperwork if they're having issues with that now
I don't think they're having visa issues. When Ina had visa issues, and now maybe Raora too, for both of them, their managers took over their twitter accounts as a legal measure, to make sure that nothing they did was considered "working" for Cover. But FUWAMOCO tweeted today on their own. If their issue was the same as Raora's then their manager would have taken control of their account as well.
Also, none of Bae, Mori, or Biboo are having visa issues and so it's unlikely to be a systemic problem for holos with a work visa. None of the EN members temporarily in the country right now like Ina, Gigi, and Cece are having issues either.

>>109448689
>>109448691
Personally, I think anons should voice their disappointments in the comments. I have yet to see them nuke any reasonable criticisms

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>>109448709
May

>>109448727
There are different types of visa issues, if you can't even tweet from your work account that means you no longer have a work visa at all. But several EN people living in Japan talked about spending all day doing paperwork because of changes to legal stuff. That's what I mean by visa issue. It's something urgent that would require their immediate attention and would not give a shit about it being valentine's.

>>109448486
what happened with battle plan 2?

>>109448170
>I know for a fact that at least half of the dedicated Ruffians are just writing that as lip service when they are actually disappointed.
You know who else knows that? FUWAMOCO.
This isn't their first rodeo with idols and idol fans. The know how people really feel.
Whether they actually care or not is the big question.

>>109448756
I rather wait and see if they really were burnt out. I don't want to have to go back and delete a comment after finding out there was a really good reason they had to cancel.

>>109448756
You can also wait until after you learn what is happening and they had a chance to explain it to us. You might be disappointed right now, but they might also actually being going through real trouble.

>>109448756
Do you know about Myron the jailbird? He publicly criticized nerissa (really fair and valid criticisms btw) and he got dogpiled and doxed by the toxic positivity fags.

>>109448800
other ENs living in Japan are streaming without issue

>>109448810
New ruffian???

>>109448705
bau bau... ⤵⤵

>>109448827
Yes but I have yet to see it with FWMC? There are some posts expressing their disappointment with FWMC right now.

>>109448827
Pretty much this. It only worked for BP2 because majority of Ruffians thought jp streams were going to be weekly and voiced their concern in the comments. This current issue is complicated and it's best to just say you're disappointed and hope they get well soon.

>>109448594
I'm only disappointed because I know this is a result of them taking too much work. Cut back on studio time 20-30% and they'll be a lot healthier and able to sleep and do streams.

>>109448810
FWMC said they would be doing some JP streams during golden week and started crying because they knew a certain portion of the fanbase hated JP streams. There were a couple of harsh comments. It ended up being a pretty fun week all things considered

>>109448810
Just watch it and go read the comments after

>>109448840
and?

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>>109448362
I'm guessing you guys never watched a shiori homo collab, it's basically a cringey as fuck humiliation ritual where she mocks and emasculates the homo for 2 hours minimum. It's honestly have been great to see her homocollab with Vespiss because he 100% would have raged and lashed out.

>>109448815
I'm not sure about that. Maybe they know, but the THOUSANDS of "positive" could change their opinion. If they knew then we wouldn't be in this situation because they'd make sure to have the free time to stream now. It's really fucking terrible optics to cancel everything and take a 1 week break just before valentines.

>>109448968
>they knew a certain portion of the fanbase hated JP streams
As in schizophrenic retards /here/, yes.

>>109448936
I still believe they are trying to speed run their hololive career so they can graduate later in their 30's.

>>109448810
Search for "battle plan edition" in warosu, that thread is still pretty funny to read.

>>109448993
That image is cursed as fuck

>>109448810
FWMC announce Japanese streams for Golden Week
The threads that day were unlike any other

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>>109449012
I forgot about the archives

I've heard Fuwamoco originate from 4chan, but how could that be?

That makes no sense at all, they don't fit any of stereotypes about this place, at least none that I know of.

Could some who actually frequents here clear this up for me please?

>>109449003
How would they know that if they aren't /here/? You never see any jp anti posting outside of /here/ to the point of them thinking it's a lot of ruffians thinking that.

>>109448993
This "it's ok because the girl embarrasses the guys' cope to act like those collabs don't make them unsupportable is always shit, seen the same many times before with other girls.

>>109447777
Holy shit checked

>>109449011
This is probably a common opinion, right? That's always been my assumption, that they can't slow down on homework because it's now-or-never for them. Sadly, this means we're growing further apart.

>>109448594
I've been "extending my trust" for over the past year, as they've cut back on streaming, especially ones where it's just them and us having fun and no collabs or shilling.
They feel so much more distant now than they used to. Everything feels like they're just going through the motions. The room review was one of the first "old FUWAMOCO"-feeling streams they've done in months. And now it feels like the only reason they did it was because they knew they were going to skip Valentines. Just like how over the past year they streamed games like Mario Galaxy or Donkey Kong right before they knew they were going to disappear for a week as some kind of apology.
It sucks. I just want honesty. But that seems to be the last thing they want to give us.

>>109449094
>I've heard Fuwamoco originate from 4chan
meds

>>109448936
The studio time I don't think is as much of an issue because the studio isn't open 24/7. It's the work they do at home that they can stay up to 3am or more doing.
I think it's basically what Kanata was complaining about, that in order to sign up for stuff they have to do too many things that normally would be attributed to other employees instead of the talent in most big talent agencies. So instead of going to the studio, recording, and being free at home, the more time they record at the studio, the more shit they have to do at home later.
So you have to take less on less projects than you wish you could and than you could realistically handle if you didn't have to waste time with things anyone else could do.

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>>109449094
>Could some who actually frequents here clear this up for me please?
Sure go the fuck back faggot

>>109449095
Now we're pretending like a lot of the ones from this thread weren't posting in the comments?

>>109448993
omg so unhinged

>>109447792
>If they didn't play that game they would have been able to get to sleep earlier
They would not be able to, their sleep has already been fucked for a while
>the tweet asking why the moon is so bright
>going over to Nerissa's house at 3 in the morning

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>>109448810
They were going to do only jp streams for Golden Week until they got massive backlash from the membership comments and they added EN streams also for that week.

>>109449221
>They were going to do only jp streams for Golden Week
That's a lie

>>109448594
>actually your oshis you wouldn't be so quick to turn anti
catalog niggers are raiding because they are mad some shit posters used fuwamoco and roara laughing images when phase had its yab the otherday.

>>109449107
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>>109449185
? What was so wrong about what I asked? Why can't anyone answer me?

>>109449146
I'm talking about them crying during the battleplan stream before anyone could comment. They knew before hand it was an issues some ruffians had.

>>109448993
No one thinks Shiori is fucking one of the homos like Fauna, but the reason why no one thinks that is just as bad and will get you banned for saying it.

>>109449001
>It's really fucking terrible optics to cancel everything and take a 1 week break just before valentines.
Yeah, it really, really is.

>>109449221
This is my rrat.

>>109449242
It definitely felt like that. It sounded like they wanted to make a (semi)fully JP week the first time

>>109448978
and if there was some kind of nationwide paperwork issue it would affect them too

>>109449094
Fuwamoco originated from eroge review website in which they ranked few incest eroge suspiciously highly

>>109449242
Back then a lot of us thought that. You can even go back to the archives and see the doomposting. Heck, go back to the BP2 vod and I'm sure there are some comments left there that weren't self deleted out of shame.

The thing about battle plan 2 is FWMC made it sound way worse than what it actually turned out to be and then they fucking cried

>>109448326
>>109448478
I don't want them to feel bad. They've felt bad before and nothing changed. If they were unapologetic about missing these streams but said "You know what Ruffians, this won't happen again, we're going to cut back on every fucking voice pack and get some actual rest so we can stream consistently again" I'd be happier than what probably will happen, which is a tearful apology stream where everyone spams headpats and tells them they're okay.

Also bad faith negativity is super easy to spot, like the ones trying to cuckpost and tell everyone that they secretly are getting plapped.

Is it even against blue board rules to post a topless mococo? Her body type is basically that of a little boy

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>>109449291
Get the fuck out

>>109449444
They are just bad at explaining themselves. Then again, they are probably afraid seeing how nasty some comments can be about JP streams

>>109449449
Yep I got banned for posting Moco-chan's squishy ass in a bikini once so her flat chest would get you banned too probably

>>109449118
Multiple talents have talked about needing to spend entire days recording at the studio, all of the VPs and FES+EN concert and other recordings included. Now add on the entire days they say they spend signing merch.
I'm sure there's a good chunk of actual homework but it's pretty clear they spend a lot more time at Cover HQ than the rest of Advent if Biboo is able to stream almost daily for 4-6 hours regularly, and over 8 hours often.
So what is the deal? They imply they're still doing practice and recordings for concerts and 3D Lives until the last minute, when people claim those are "finished months before". Are they actually being too perfectionist and recording and doing dance practice until just a few days before?
>I think it's basically what Kanata was complaining about, that in order to sign up for stuff they have to do too many things that normally would be attributed to other employees instead of the talent in most big talent agencies. So instead of going to the studio, recording, and being free at home, the more time they record at the studio, the more shit they have to do at home later.
And if this is true then they need to tell their manager it needs to change. Kanata's entire spiel about that carried the implication that Cover totally changed for the better after fucking her over. They're only going to actually change that approach if talents tell them to fuck off with the extra work and make the 600 low level grunts actually do their jobs for once. What's the point of hiring more management staff(as seen in the reports) if they aren't going to lighten a talent's load?

>>109449011
That would kind of explain why they shill so much and seem to be obsessed with merch sales and blocking the screen with reminders even while they're streaming games. They said they'd be here for at least ten years (the time required working for a Japanese company to be eligible for permanent residency), but who knows anymore. Maybe they know someone that could give them a job on paper that wouldn't require them to do any work while they live off their saved holo money.

>>109449445
I think I'm the opposite. I don't give a shit about empty apologies, I want them to actually feel bad about it. If they don't feel bad or ashamed then they'll never have the motivation to do what you said and improve in the future.

>>109449486
Mococo thought no one would show up to her birthday. She's a doomer and a schizo.

>>109449444
True. Though maybe the feedback made them change it a bit, resulting in it being "less bad" than what it might've initially been.

>>109449535
Read what I wrote again. They've felt bad already and nothing has changed. I also don't want empty apologies, I want them to change and do better.

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おはあずきはい、これ。今日バレンタインじゃん

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Happy Valentine

ハッピーバレンタイン૮꒰ ⸝⸝ɞ̴̶̷ ⤙ ɞ̴̶̷⸝⸝ ꒱ა

>>109449449
They post topless Peko all the time in the Peko thread so you should be fine.

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>>109449449
>Her body type is basically that of a little boy

>>109449011
With how fast they are trying to achieve goals it does feel like that at times.

>>109449011
I believe that’s a possibility. That would explain why they’re in such a rush to achieve all their goals. What do they still need to accomplish? Just a Sololive?

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>>109449619
Did you forget we have some retard that reports every single NSFW post?

>>109449445
>Also bad faith negativity is super easy to spot, like the ones trying to cuckpost and tell everyone that they secretly are getting plapped.
Plenty of that is legitimate gachikoi ruffians voicing their anxieties. People are worried about it, the situation objectively looks bad.

>>109449011
Honestly, 5 years will be a good run. I think they are just trying their best to hit as many goals as possible

What did that old Japanese comedian do to them

>>109449660
>sololive
>FWMC VN
>being in an anime?
>Being on Japanese tv
There's more I just can't remember right now.

>>109449718
same thing your father did to you

>>109449522
>Kanata's entire spiel about that carried the implication that Cover totally changed for the better after fucking her over.
They told her directly that they would need to do some deep restructuring to fix that and it wouldn't happen for now. It's pretty much the opposite. "You're right, but we're not gonna do anything about it."

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>>109449707
That's means there is 2 years left...

>>109449667
That is true

>>109449669
Sure it is nigger. You stick out like a sore thumb. Kill yourself.

>>109449751 (me)
Though I think 2 managers becoming a standard may be partly a step in that direction. If it was just FWMC I would assume it's just because they're two people, but Nerissa has two managers too.

>>109449660
>Sololive
>Voice an anime
>Produce a game
>Produce an album
>Perform at Idol Summer Festival
Those are the big ones left

>>109449707
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>>109449629
Not a single ruffian in these posts, amazing. You don't even know the very basics of them and how long they want to stay here.

>>109449667
I was surprised those Mio and FWMC lewds weren't deleted on sight days ago. I guess the retard was asleep.