Previous thread >>110294539>Upcoming Streamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2EUeuo-waE>Previous Streamhttps://youtu.be/3Nje9S63jio>New Orisong! Demon's Residencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-iI4-BkwXg>New Cover!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZYl_GaegFk>Latest Event: #hololivefesEXPO2026https://nyaa.si/view/2083987>Go Watch it again: Birthday 3D Livehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouQF2A1l_cI>Never seen FUWAMOCO before? Watch this!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht62MLGf6p0 >Songshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf4O_VcbYo24EjtizbTZt_tTgwXaaK8N- (official playlist of all covers and songs they've released or starred in.)>Unarchived Content (twitter spaces, karaokes, etc)https://rentry.org/baunarchived>/baubau/-related content (baubau sings, nsfw, VN/anime list, VTL team info)https://rentry.org/baucontent>Old Templatehttps://pastebin.com/bgugZTcD
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>Please listen
>>110308294Please Bau...
Mococo is crying right now...
>>110308955I care only about Fuwawa
Fuwawa is having sex with me right now...
>>110309084This is the clothes Fuwawa seduces wuffians with
>>110308783It's just not a very addicting song.
>>110308783>We miss you so muchWords can only go so far until it just sounds like guilt tripping. I want to believe them but their actions feel like those words are empty.
>>110309223it was a very expensive song wuffian...
>>110308955Mococo will kill herself then kill Fuwawa if their cover doesn't get a million views
Mane-chan is crying right now...
>>110309159They should both slap us with their floofies.
>>110309243It's like 3 picrels moving up and down it can't be that expensive. They must've gotten scammed.
>>110309401It was very un like them to bring it up. They usual keep those things to themselves.
>>110309507Yeah that's the first time I remember them ever complaining about something like that.
>>110309579first birthday live. they talked about it being very expensive too
>>110309579If they care about views, why not do songs like Zako more?
>>110309622Personal satisfaction in spreading otaku culture? Hitting 1 million with zako is nice, but having a niche song they like hit 1 million is even better
>>110309606The timing just felt odd with how distressed that sounded in pre chat.
>>110309401they had to do 1000 takes and the song rights were expensive
>>110309672It was the same with the first LTST. Nothing wrong with preferring certain songs to do better
>>110309708The first LTST was really meh though
>>110309708That's true. I guess I'm worrying too much.
>>110309606A birthday live is very expensive, orders of magnitude higher than a single cover.
>>110309768It is a balance they have to figure out. The stuff they really like are generally unpopular, so they have to get views with more popular picks like zako. It reminded me of crescent moon last year. It was delayed twice in a row and they went menhera over it kek
>>1103098091 million yen < covercover * 10^2 < birthday live100 million yen < birthday live
>>110309856Each 3D live costs them over a million dollars... they could be millions in debt...
>>110309851It was worse back then since they had a massive gap between songs
They most likely did have to spend a ton of money in a relatively short amount of time considering all the stuff coming out at once. It also means more opportunities to make money so I'm sure they'll make it back, it took a bit longer but they did sell out their merch after all, but yeah.Demon's Residence, this MV, two birthday streams with one being a concert, the anime song if they're using a FWMC song instead of them singing someone else's song, the MVs for Demon's Residence and the new song that may not be ready but are definitely already paid for and in production, it was probably all happening at the same time.
>>110309978I am satisfied with their recent music output so yes, definitely. Having side by side followed by feeling heart was awesome
>>110309999I wonder if they will switch to 3 limited per purchase in the future since it is taking some time to sell out now
>>110309946They could pay it off by having sex with the ruffians.
>>110310201WAPEEEEE
It's Fuwawa's legal fees, she keeps getting away with wape but the lawyers are expensive.
FUWAMOCO are idols, not JAV actresses
Needing to suck money out of advertisers and Ruffians means more content I don't really care about.That sucks.
>>110310291she is bribing the cops
>>110310303Moco-chan...
>>110310147It was still just a few hours, right? So probably not yet since that gives people who usually miss it because of timezones a chance to buy it, but if the next one takes over a day then probably.
>>110310393yeap 4 hours
all their money...
>>110310373In another life, mocochan will be like that femruffian. Thank god big sister Fuwawa is around to keep her on the right path
They'd get more views if they didn't make it so damned obvious they pick favorites and didn't ban ruffians giving them a little critique with a bit of passion.
>>110310345Imagine if you were a grem
>>110310464Explain newissa then
>>110310464Shut up you dumb nig. It's not getting very much attention because they just released a bunch of stuff in a row and people don't really give a shit about music. If they only had the cover out right now and were pumping that every time they streamed/showed up somewhere, it'd be getting more.
>>110310464they'd get more views if Mococo showed her penis on stream
>>110310464Not now Raul you rotten dick gobbler
>>110310464They'd get more views if they streamed.
Went with some ruffians to the shibuya for #ホロローソン collabExplored the store and spotted #FUWAMOCO all over the storeNow the whole store got more fluffy and fuzzy hehe~Of course we got our paws on some merch too~BAU BAU(More pictures in replies!)
>>110310464>more viewsYes like 15 extra views incredible
>>110310528I really dislike you, anon
>>110310515NTA and that is a dumb moron but it isn't getting views because it's another completely unknown old anime song that no one knows and it's entirely in Japanese. I probably wouldn't have even clicked on it once if it weren't from my oshi. I'm glad I did because I enjoy it a lot but most people aren't going to give it a chance and the algorithm isn't going to do them any favors with how Little consistency they have and how bad their most recent music after zako has done.
>>110310498
>>110310572He used to post purityschizo's tweets instead. But he changed target
>>110310498Negrissa doesn't pander to JP alienating her EN fans and also doesn't have hundreds of thousands of dead subs as a result of that lmao.
>>110310588If they had a proper MV it would get more views too.
>>110310588Consistency in streaming has nothing to do with music views. Gura and Ina barely stream as it is and their music views are pretty good
Covers should be (mostly) popular songs that a lot of people know. You can do the occasional throwback of niche pick, but it should mostly be things like whatever meme FOTM Vocaloid song is popular, or say maybe an OP or ED to something like Frieren. I really would like them to cover Haru actually. Niche and older songs they can sing for karaokes, except they rarely do those anymore.
>>110310528I am completely numb to fomo now because they beat it out of my by making it literally impossible to keep up with all the merch they sell now. I used to use a proxy for even the most obscure FUWAMOCO stuff now I'm so burnt out I don't even buy all of their stuff on the holoshop outside of the limited sets and even then I'm feeling unsure of why I'm doing that. I can't imagine how it feels for people that don't have a lot of disposable income.
>>110310664NTA but unless you're an outlier like Gura or Suisei, consistency in streaming has everything to do with how well all your other projects do.
>>110310651>Negrissa doesn't pander to JP alienating her EN fansCome again?
>>110310588>2015>oldliterally what anime wouldn't be considered old by you faggots? I was gonna say My Hero Academia as a joke but I googled it and even that is from 2016it's more niche for sure but it's not old
>>110310689And what about Ina?
really expensive... MOCOpien FUWApien
>>110310651Negrissa is worse. She panders to women.
>>110310303Raffian...
>>110310666FuwaMoco are staying true to themselves, Satan
>>110310666>mostly be things like whatever meme FOTM Vocaloid song is popular, or say maybe an OP or ED to something like FrierenNo offense, but what's the point? I don't mind the occasional FOTM songs but I will be fucking sad if it was mostly vocaloid songs and stuff like BBBB
>>110310680I have some disposable income but they (and EN as a whole) managed to convince me to stop spending it on them by spamming shit every other month. It was fun and felt special when there was something cool released 2 times a year with the extremely rare partnership around once a year. Now a tenth of the EN streams are sponsored streams or stealth sponsored streams like the gatchatrash and there's a new thing that every talent is pushing every other week.As dumb as it sounds, it used to feel like I was actually contributing to something. Now it really doesn't.
>>110310740They want a sololive, not a duolive. Ina will never get a sololive, she has to share with Kiara. Also nobody would ever call her the most popular or successful Myth, in fact, if it weren't for Kiara, she'd be last.
>>110310451Mococo would be so easy to lead around. All a fat balding ojisan "producer" would have to do is tell her she could be an idol if she did everything he said.
>>110310734most ruffbluds itt was born in 2008 or after
>>110310651Yeah, she alienates her core fans with twitter lesbians who don't watch her streams.
>>110310734That's even worse then. They just chose a random anime no one knows of and no one has heard of. They should've been able to sing that song for dirt cheap then.
>>110310793Weirdly enough, it used to be other than Gura, EN don't get shit. Then it went to the other extreme with advent's debut
>>110310776It wouldn't be an issue if they just did karaoke for all their obscure music songs. It's a massive waste of money to make any cover but especially one on music no one cares about, generally. But if that's what they want to spend money on they can, just don't make your fans feel like shit for not knowing about it or it not being popular with tourists. Them crying about the cost felt completely out of character.
>>110310666If they only care about views yes, but I'm pretty sure they know this too.
Reddit post soon
>>110310769>>110310776The point is they want views on their channel and to be known for their music. All Holos do this, that's why before Bibideba, Suisei's most popular VOD was a cover of Phony, a song like a dozen Holos all sang. There's tons of those songs like King, the song with the recorder and wind in the hair, etc. You can call it soulless all you want but things like Noel's King (which isn't even official) Suisei's Phony, are all held up as great examples and got a lot of people interested in them. Aqua's most popular song for the longest time was a meme cover as well.
>>110310797>They want a sololive, not a duolive.If minto and nimi can get a sololive, I seriously don't see why none in EN can't have one easily
>>110310823But they do listen to her music. Must suck being FWMC all they want is to live the idol journey and Newissa does it without even trying and being lazy fat fuck doomscrolling twitter while ordering uber eats
>>110310841At this point it sure does sound like they care about views and money a lot.
>>110310861They already have stuff like kaibutsu, zako and identity
>>110310828I think vocaloid perms are free, you're just not allowed to use the same mix and have to do your own. Compared to that anything is expensive.
>>110310844Probably. Instead of saying anything positive about the song they're going all in on crying and telling people if they don't listen they're antis, pretty much. How about making content that appeals to people if you want numbers that badly? Making random stuff just for you then guilt tripping everyone isn't a recipe for a viral hit. They could have at least done an after party if they wanted to shill and share it this much. Unless they have nothing to say besides it's old it's obscure and you'd better watch it if you care about them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4TH9XGAcD0Did anyone get their latest voice pack?
>>110310373Icomochi mama could have drawn a better pinky toe...
>>110310793and people used to complain about JP exclusive merch, kek, now everyone is begging for less merch
>>110310936I did. I can upload it later
>>110310905They should do famous vocaloid song covers then
>if you don't listen to their new cover song these puppies will cryThey could have at least linked to the cover on the post if they are being this shameless.
>>110310901Yes and? You're just proving my point. Zako was over 3 months ago and was their only recent song to hit 1 million. Kaibutsu and Identity were 3 years ago.They should do a popular/meme song more often than they currently do.
>>110310875Of course they care, it would be retarded not to care, but if they only cared about that the path is clear. They released covers before saying they didn't expect them to do well, but still retweeted a bunch of times and asked us to listen to it lots. Wanting something to succeed doesn't mean you thought it was the easiest path to success.
>>110310984I moved on after kurochan anyways
>>110310870Too bad views don't pay the bills like merch does. She should worry about her limited merch not selling out instead of dumb lesbians who don't support her.
>>110311030now now grumpy jailbird...
>>110310936Those are easy skips for me even though I like voice packs kek
>>110310984Pretty tone deaf to post that after cancelling yet another stream. They've completely stopped caring about anything but numbers.
>>110310957Obviously I'm just one guy in a sea of thousands. I just think it's gone so hard in the opposite direction that I'm turned off. Buying something from a small or medium.company who occasionally releases something cool feels special and like I'm really part of the team as dumb as that sounds. Being told that two talents who basically never talked about Mc Donalds suddenly love the Mc Chicky and that you should go buy it while also releasing 5k+ in merch in a single year makes my dollar feel less important to them and to the grand scheme. It might not have meant much back then either, but it felt more like it did.
STREAM ANO MORI DE MATTERU
>>110311030Having another faction in the fanbase really sucks. We had annoying travelers being creepy fucks before they all mostly killed themselves.
>>110311071Yeah, of course, but that's normal. You were wrong in thinking you should buy everything before, not in breaking free from that mentality. It mattered more but you still didn't need to buy EVERYTHING. It was never a responsible thing to do with your money.Sucks that merch spam is what snapped you out of it but it's ultimately a good thing to snap out of it.
>>110311071>small or medium.companyCover stop being a small or medium company since IPO. And that's like 3 years ago?
They shouldn't be worried about money surely all those voicepacks they've done are bringing in tons of money.
>>110311071This was always going to happen once Cover went public. Shareholders want to see increasing profits every year. The speed up of merch is absolutely intention and even Fubuki, Towa, Suisei, and other Holos have remarked on it.
>>110310988I think it is more like what's the point then.
>>110311041Sorry... I get too worked up about these things.
>>110311071Same, I was able to buy into it supporting the talent even a bit and I think it probably still does right at debut but now it feels like nothing a fan does can mean anything because the shareholders and numbers monkeys determined that flooding the market with merch constantly and milking every sponsor they can is the way forward even if it loses some whales or consistent purchasers. And at least in the short term they probably are right. But now I'm more inclined to buy fan merch because at least I feel im directly supporting someone and their work were with hololive merch I'm just checking a box and they wouldn't care or be impacted if I never bought another thing again.
>>110311109Coincidentally that's when merch ramped up and corporate collabs increased. It's a job at the end of the day, I was just stupid to feel like I was supporting something that was more than a job.>>110311107Not really a collection thing either, I never bought every single piece of merch possible.
>>110311146You got to admit the twitter lesbians are effective at boosting her music views
listen to the cover and buy the merch set or these dogs will get a trip to the farm bau bau...
>>110308783These retards should tweet this, they're venting to the wrong people. I listened to their cover when it premiered and thumbed it up and I'm willing to bet so did every person in that prechat. What more do they want from us?
>>110311181There isn't a single talent that I like that I would ever willingly listen to a song tbey make more than once if I didn't really enjoy it.
>>110310797Eh I think FWMC will be very happy to be in Ina's position. Merch still sells well. Music views are fine. Can stream as and when she likes without her fans getting mad at her. The only better position is to be part of regloss/flowglow. Guaranteed albums, genlive, appearances on national TV and so on
>>110311141Again I said you can do the OCCASIONAL passion pick. It doesn't have to be all popular songs. Let's say if a Holo did 3 covers a year, 2 of those should be popular songs and 1 could be something they really want to do.
>>110311104atm...vlesh..
The roughest part about it for me is it's a feedback loop now where they've spent so much on homework and concerts and covers and outfits that they owe cover a lot of money. And because they were busy not streaming and working on the homework, they have to take on even more homework in their eyes and sponsorships to try to repay it and make up for the loss of SC. But that stuff ends up taking more time and losing fans to downtime so they're forced to chase money even more. And they already had one of their big money days in the birthday and missed Valentine's Day so now they have nothing until the anniversary and then Christmas in terms of expected big payout days.
>>110311222If they want to go down that route, they should just stream mostly fotms
>>110311238They should stream PERIOD. But they don't.
>>110311221Ina at least has another source of income. I guess they have T5 but that has to be almost non existent now and that's assuming they go back on the promise to never touch that money for anything but the stated purpose. They are probably in a pretty bad spot financially which is why the increased visa costs coincided with them going menhera and cancelling streams and Valentine's suddenly.
>>110311238Their channel used to have pretty good variety.
>>110311169That's the only positive thing I will say about them.
>>110311273Please, these girls are millionaires, unless they blew everything on gacha or something, they should be fine. The average Holo makes good money and FUWAMOCO do well above average.
>>110311228>loss of SCAnon, they will survive. Their lifetime SC is at 910k. Do you know how much justice made in total together? 600k
You retards will cry about the littlest things. Grow up, no one cares about your retarded takes. It sounds more like anti posting than real ruffians anyways.
Wasn't the IPO fairly recent? I don't think my spending habit has changed because of it. I still spend about $7k annually ever since gokisei, less before that.
>>110311273>They are probably in a pretty bad spot financiallyThen Kronii is on the streets homeless since her limited bday merch hasn't sold out yet?
>>110311198They assume ruffians are incredibly dedicated and would do anything for them. I remember when two of their songs happened to hit a milestone at the same time they said on stream "we know these things don't just happen, so thank you" assuming there was a massive group effort to spam views on those songs to hit the milestones but there genuinely was not, it was pure coincidence.
>>110311306They spent almost all of that after taxes on their birthday concerts and 3D ASMR with patra and the whole moving to Japan thing. I doubt they have any savings right now and are getting paid a Japan level salary now that they moved.
>>110311321March 2023. They IPOed to raise money for the studio iirc
>>110311273Kronii just released an EP and didn't even sell out her merch. I know you're shitposting but even then you're severely underestimating how much they make.
>>110311238fotm streams are funexcept when it's a long arc like when they're all spamming pokemon, but short ones are fun
>>110311321eh my spending has tanked since IRyS and Biboo had that casting couch male interviewpeople said it wasn't a big deal but it just rubbed me the wrong wayhavent bought a single voicepack or acrylic since
So are we not getting any tweet or anything besides the ad retweets and that weird af community post? Do they love and miss us or not?
>>110311347That's what it felt like. I don't think there was as much to spend on before 2020 but that was when my spending got up to where it is now. I do think the ratio of official vs 3rd party goods has changed though.
>>110311331I mean I would. But youtube changed the algorithm for music views so there is no way to boost it other than buying a viewbot.
>>110311380are you talking about the minecraft horror map one or something else. that shit rubbed me the wrong way completely, biboo trying to make him laugh and shit
>>110311385sorry ruffian...... watch the cover to find out!
>>110311321IPO was 2022. That's also when things went to shit according to A-chan's video. We're in Hololive's twilight now, where all the magic is being sucked out to sell as much merch as possible.
>>110311385Here you go. Fucking baby. https://x.com/i/status/2033683294479638559
>>110311273How is Zeta handling the visa situation then? She makes nothing being in ID.
>>110311008My shitposting man. Me too. Hololive just isn't the same anymore, I never see it talked about.
>>110310969BAUSED thanks Mocopirate
>>110311431NTA but I still haven't even listened to that segment and I have no idea what they talked about. Does it still not even have subtitles? It has made me not want to rewatch the birthday live at all like I do the first concert. They need to release a cut without the man. He should have been in the variety show not the fucking concert...
>>110311401yeah I had to close out of the stream it was just not it for me
>sisters larping as "real" fans that are all quitting hololive for the tenth time this yearit's all so tiresome...
>>110311228>>110311306black company
>>110311104I still don't get why they would do such a thing. Aren't they all hyper rich?
>>110311169Honestly, their songs need more clippable parts that can be made into shorts or put on TikTok/Insta
>>110311104I wonder if they ever second guess themselves seeing long time fans end up leaving out of nowhere because of jp pandering or not streaming
>>110311221I do wonder why some talents can get away with streaming little. I am not talking about your outliers like gura or suisei or marine. But even someone like ayame or ina can stream as little as possible and still sell out merch no problem. I kind of wish FWMC can be in the same position
>>110311524Fuwawa does, Mococo doesn't care because she doesn't realize it's a self fulfilling prophecy. She assumes everyone will leave eventually, not realizing people are leaving because of lack of streams and content they enjoy.
>>110311400Oh the Kpop strat is dead?
>>110311306And do you know how much Rushi made?
>>110311421Zeta is EN she's just retarded like Kiara and streams at weird hours.
>>110311532Ayame and Ina don't have super large supplies to begin with or did you think everyone does the same number of limiteds?
Just a tweet. Anything that isn't an ad please I don't ask much. I'm sitting here waiting for you and you tell me you miss the ruffians but are always nowhere to be found. It takes one minute to at least give the illusion you care...
>>110311568I'm sick of tweets, give streams instead.
>>110311496Money can't buy happiness, love, or sex
>>110311496They either bitched because FWMC weren't their "old selves" before Hololive, or they killed themselves because they were getting treated like every other Ruffian without the oldfag perks.
>>110311477Biboo kept doing shit like that before then too and it pissed me off. She kept talking about if the wolf man was hot or some shit. Since then she keeps trying to be like an irys/bae lite, and every time I try to watch her again she's doing some bullshit like that. I watched her for 3 fucking years and wondered why she was so perfect, what was wrong with her because they all have something wrong. It took her way too long to reveal her real self. Idk why I'm still membered I find her annoying these days...
>>110311561He claims that FWMC doesn't sell merch, but he ran away when asked to back up his claim with numbers
>>110311524Jan 2024https://youtu.be/MGcTaPu9tu4?t=8739>We just want you to remember that things will change in the future, too, so we really hope that you don't take the time that we have together for granted.>Just like you being here for us isn't a given to us, we hope that us being here isn't a given to you.>You know, FUWAMOCO, we never want to disappoint you, but we're afraid that there might be some times that we do have to disappoint you in order to make some of our dreams and goals possible. We want to make everyone happy but it's just not possible sometimes.They have dreams and they're not willing to sacrifice them for anyone's sake. They knew people would leave because of their choices before the people who left knew themselves.
>>110311587I forgot to mention her first arc raiders collab where she was basically flirting with random men is what killed her for me. Everyone memoryholes it. Just so gross feeling as someone who's watched holo since myth.
When is Ruffian Morning episode 2?
>>110311583>They either bitched because FWMC weren't their "old selves" before Hololive,To be fair that's true. They were a lot more intimate and interesting. They completed more VNs in their one year at GGN than they have in Hololive. They did a lot of marshmallow and zatsu streams where they revealed more about themselves. They played fun games, stuck with them, and actually finished them. And they did karaokes.
If you kept calling Mococo a boy she'd likely take off her pants to show you her privates. You can then rape her.
>>110311431>shitposting
>>110311609They're sacrificing their own dreams being retarded though. You won't get a sololive if you have no fanbase to go to it. You won't be known for your music if all your covers are niche shit nobody listens to. You won't get picked for gaming collabs if you never fucking play games.
>>110311617It's crazy how they're the VN streamers of EN but they've played like 4 total VNs in 3 years
>>110311532Does Ayame have something like an anime theme song? Maybe she does and I'm unaware, but I don't think so, right? It has its cost too. Yeah she can coast and sell out her merch and get superchats when she shows up but she's not like Gura who could get anything she wanted if she gave enough of a shit to want anything. She's content with what she has, but she can't dream much bigger. Her floor is high but the ceiling is low.
>>110311634They won't like this one bro
>>110311617And all the while, they were trying to join Hololive to make their dreams come true
>>110311617have they even completed a single VN? i can't remember if they beat white album
>>110311609That's fine but then why do they blame us when something doesn't do as well as expected? Implying it's ruffians fault they pumped money into a cover no one but hardcore weebs like them would care about is shitty. Own up to doing things your way and stop crying so much when things don't go exactly as planned.
>>110311631You are here half a year later pretending to be a fan. That is shitposting.
>>110311646Ayame fans like getting NTRed
>>110311612nta she wasn't flirting with men but she was talking to them which annoyed me.
>>110311668Not him but you can be a previous fan or downgrade to casual fan and still shitpost
>>110311644Shiori, Reine, hell even Bae and Ace attorney have done more content that's VN or quirky VN like than FWMC have.
>>110311644Every time they play a visual novel, I see people shitting on themIn fact, every time they play a game for a long time, people shit on them.
How the heck does this thread move faster than any other split even while they're streaming? Ruffians are the biggest whiney faggots on the board and have no right to insult jailbirds.
>>110311634They're almost out of big dreams from the debut list. The reason you're talking about the sololive is because almost every other big one came true already.
>>110311587>>110311612We really have biboo antis here? Is /baubau/ a den of holo antis or what?
>>110311660Kek, lemme remind you.
>>110311690Really? You must never see people shit on them then because they never play VNs or play games for a long time.
>>110311660I only vividly remember them finishing WA because it had the shitty NTR plot
>>110311662You're making up situations in your mind and being mad at them.
>>110311693Silence homobeggar an OG is speaking.
>>110311692So will they go back to streaming more again now that the only thing left is time gated like the sololive or related to streams?
>>110311689Shiori I can get because she plays a lot of niche quirky games no one knows but the other two are irrefutable.
>>110311692What about "Make sure you never hurt?" because I've been hurting a lot recently and it's mainly because of their absence.
>>110311713This conversation was had last year. It ain't getting better. Mococo loves homework too much.
>>110311662>Implying it's ruffians faultI mean it technically is. The whole point of idol fandom is to push your favorites to the top
>>110311687Staying in a talent's thread to attack them daily after saying you would drop them is downgrading to a casual fan? No, it's mental illness.
>>110311703Not too long ago, people were shitting on them because they played the fishing game for 7 hoursI know you don't watch VTubers anymore since NijiEN is dead, but please make an effort
>>110311706Did you miss their community post? Nothing about the cover, no reason to listen just telling ruffians that if they don't listen they're bad ruffians making them cry. And that's after they went menhera crying about costs of the cover after cancelling yet another stream last minute for completely unknown reasons.
>>110311744Oh yeah right, because this thread loves Chillas Arts games and thats exactly the kind of stuff we want to see? Who the fuck are you kidding?
>>110311693Selenfag camps here shitposting about Advent all the time.. >>110302283 Heck, you're problem him self replying to your own shitposts.
>>110311703>play games for a long timeThis not a game?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDEYnEb6A08
>>110311656And they weren't even hiding it from their fans. That Akiba tour stream has them looking at a Hololive ad and saying "let's work harder!"
>>110311731How can I push someone when they're never present? That's like getting mad at chumbuds for Gura not having a sololive.
>>110311754>every remotely slightly negative post about biboo makes you an anti or selenfag Don't ever put me and him in the same sentence again
>>110311752I accept your concession
>>110311760Less than 3 hours is not a long time. Also it was in the context of GGN as in them finishing long form games.
>>110311702Happy tears...
>>110311693Bibhu
>>110311692You know, it is crazy that almost all their big goals are done. The only ones left are releasing an album, performing at TIF and having a sololive.
>>110311772These girls have big dream
>>110311779Your example was a literal horrorslop game at Japanese hours, the two things this thread hates the most. You can't be serious.
>>110311749You're making up situations in your mind and getting mad at them.
Nu-ffian yesmen are the type of people that ruin literally every fanbase. Esteemed men like PuddingRat were smart enough to leave when they first started doing this, and he probably has a wife by now. None of this matters
>>110311778Then maybe you should stop using buzz words trannies use to shitpost here.
>>110311778>every remotely slightly negative post about biboo makes you an anti or selenfagOn numbers? yes/here/? IDK
>>110311783You fags were bitching when they spent hours on MGS3 and Silent Hill F
this fag got tired talking to himself about their downfall so now he's switching to men
they should WRAP UP their idol activities and focus on streaming
>>110311794They probably wouldn't count an EP as an album, otherwise they could probably do it this year if they really wanted to.
>>110311830Silent Hill F yes because that was horrorslop but most people liked MGS3.
>>110311810>None of this mattersanon, you are here shitposting. Where is your own wife?
You losers spend hours every day crying about how you miss them and looping about what went wrong in your eyes while literally no one cares what you have to say and FUWAMOCO and hololive don't care or know you exist at all. What a sad fucking existence. And no it's not oshikatsu it's being a worthless burden on society. Improve yourselves. Work harder to support your oshi more instead of shitposting like a loser. If you want to help them then working a second job for 4 hours and buying merch or scing it does a hell of a lot more than your retarded unhelpful posts /here/.
>>110311830One or two retards forcing themselves to watch a long stream isn't everyone.
>>110311871In my imagination
>>110311800The point I'm making is that people shitt on them when they play a games for a long time, not for the type of game they play.But I have to clarify something: I haven't seen anyone /here/ shitting on them for playing VNs. My bad for this one
THEY LOVE US
>>110311851I know you are shitposting, but the moment they are done, they are done.
>>110311872>improve yourselves I see what you just did. Shut up teafaggotcuck you have absolutely no right to speak.
>>110311885First of all I don't agree with you but even putting that aside I think you're confused. You're talking about playing games for a long time as in one go. Like 7 hour streams and such. I meant sticking with one game for a long time like how they played Yakuza or other games as GGN.
>>110311885hoeh? People were shitting on them for playing kanon
>>110311901NTA but what's a teafaggotcuck? Someone else fan name?
>>110311931Teamates. Old fans of Amelia Watson
Uhh.... Have we talked about this yet?https://www.youtube.com/live/MgQH_AWIE6Y?si=ZTHzNAp2r5jNarMk&t=3275
>>110311919Ah, then there was a misunderstanding. I was talking about long gaming sessions (that’s why I mentioned the fishing game).My bad Ruffian
I do think VN streams are very low tier overall. Some exceptions here and there but for the most part it's just filler. Fate being the absolute worst ones. But I don't shit on them during it, I just don't watch anymore.It beats EN Reco at least.
>>110311964kek
>>110311824>/here/? IDKConsidering people here use this thread to shit on everyone, Newissa especially, no that doesn't make you an anti. Annoying yes but real antis break containment and direct their shit at the members twitters like that Duke Nukem pfp faggot
My #FUWAMOCO I could listen to this heavenly song all day long… and I do, everywhere, its sweetest echoes are in my heart no matter where I am The romantic lyrics, your breathtaking singing, the gorgeous MV… I'm the one whose had tears, from its overwhelming beauty It is no exaggeration, your cover is one the most beautiful things I have ever heard in my life, and I still can't stop thinking about it I can't thank you enough either, you make me so incredibly proud to be yours Those pouty faces are ridiculously cute… my heart…
>>110311964YAB!!!
>>110311930Yeah, but not on this thread I'm retarded>>110311952Oh, I thought you were talking about CC since her oshimark is a cup of tea
>>110311984kimoi
Why are we getting raided?
>>110312010>1 post a minute is enough to suspect a raid in nu/vt/we're so cooked chat
>>110312010Ruffian melty night. No raid.
>>110312010There's good discussion going on, but there's also like 1 or 2 fags responding to themselves as there always is, usually invoking other members of Advent to shit on them.
>>110311982It depends, on /#/ there are schizo who spend their days shitting on the girls
Stop complaining wuffians, just buy product, and look forward to next product !!
>>110312043the cover is free
>>110312043why does an outfit reveal need merch?
>>110312043But I already got the merch (my first limited too). Now please stream.
>>110312057No they said it was very expensive. Watch streams. They need it to get 1M views or cover will make them start paying for studio water again.
>>110312031I'm oblivious, good point. I filter /#/
>>110312043I will and do, no need to worry Fuwawa
>>110312043All of Hololive is trending towards this and sadly FUWAMOCO are more susceptible to blindly obeying management than the rest. Mococo honestly thinks that enough voicepacks will get them a sololive.
>>110312064Excuse me, Ruffian-san?
>>110312064Ask biboo and Raora
Before a certain someone tells you otherwise, the first portion of the YouTube comment is referring to this... always had a bit of an old soul in me. (This reference doesn't help my aging process, though.) Night everyone.#FUWAMOCO
>>110312102who fucking wrote this. god damn dinosaurs
>>110312064Don't be dumb, outfit reveals almost always have merch. I'm against the increased shilling more than the next guy but complaining about merch on an outfit reveal is dumb.
>>110312072>my first limited toowait really? what made you pull the trigger?
>>110312118I knew they've always had them, it's always been stupid and greedy to me.
>>110312064How new are you? That's pretty standard for a lot of members.
I want this
All this music talk made me realize ERB hasn't released a cover in months. No orisong yet too. Is she planning to drop an album out of nowhere or what?
>>110312144I mean it's an outfit, usually they get the mama to do a full on artwork of it, it'd be stupid not to monetize it. Cover does a lot of stupid and greedy shit, but outfits having merch I'm okay with. Focus your energy on shit like pin badge gachas.
>>110312144I am more forgiving to outfit merch because at least it gives something new and cute for streams even if it's just an excuse to release more merch usually. That's better then the 50th random voice pack or sponsored collab merch that only takes away time from streaming with nothing in return. If their only merch were holidays, birthday, anniversary and outfit I wouldn't be so burned out. Now they're constantly shilling meaningless crap and not even pretending there's a reason for it to exist other than to make shareholders more money.
>>110312130Mainly there being still enough left in stock when I got home from work an hour after the stream ended. Before I would always miss out while still being at work.
Fuck voice packs, let me hear your actual voices by STREAMING.
Oh. So that's why streams have been getting cancelled. https://x.com/kanauru/status/2033780429552279932
>>110312187But that's not only FWMC. It is everyone in the company
>>110311984Those sad expressions and Mococo's forehead makes me hard.
>>110312219Well yeah. I hate it all. Sorry I just got home from work I didn't mean to butt in.
>>110312241said the quite part out loud
>>110312219Yeah and that's why people are burning out on Hololive in general.
>>110312211Sounds about right. Mint and Kanauru are on their yearly date honeymoon thing in Japan and FWMC are probably tagging along again.
>>110312257>why people are burning out on HololiveEN maybe but JP is better than ever. EN are lazy af and when they do stream you can flip a coin if it'll be a sponsor or gachaslop just to pad their hours...
>>110312072sowwy wuffian we need to cancel all streams from now on...
>>110312173Abe's dream lives on with Koyo.
>>110312306With Kiara busy with her self and the sololive there's no one in EN organizing anything outside of Mori and she's busy too. Biboo and Shiori are just in their own bubbles and there's barely any consistent streams outside of them in EN. Most of the time no one is live. There's no exciting events. And we're about to have even more crap through July with en reco and the concert travel and recording. Branch is dying the slow squeeze death.
>>110312306No even JP is burning out a bit but it's just that Hololive is so big to start with, the effects won't really be seen except to the greediest shareholder. I'm not saying Hololive is going to die anytime soon, it's just things like Marine's concert "only" selling 5k streaming tickets instead of 10k. I think Serendipity will probably be fine and still sell out, even though it's in LA. Barring any Brrat shenanigans lol.
anyone keeping count of how many cancelations?
AFO had a lot of double sold tickets with people buying whatever they could at the first drop then upgrading to cheap closer tickets the day of the event as the scalpers dumped them. I think people learned their lesson that they won't be hard to get this time so I'm curious how it plays out. It should still sell out on paper, assuming that anime expo attendees will go even if they barely watch hololive.
>>110312406I stopped keeping count months ago, it got too depressing. I don't agree with the people that say it's better not to announce them though, I'd rather have some idea of streams than no idea. Ideally I'd like them to announce the streams AND go through with them, but that seems to be too much for FUWAMOCO to handle.
>>110312425If you post it on twitter and it goes viral, I assure you they will be more conscientious about not cancelling streams
>>110312406 I used to keep track and post all their explanations and apologies but once it got too long to fit in one post I lost the will. It's probably over three full posts worth now with how much they've increased in frequency.
>>110312173Isn't Koyo-san a bit too desperate for views? She already has Assistant-kun...
>>110312379>Hololive English 4th Concert: Serendipity is scheduled for July 3-4, 2026, at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles, California. The event will be a two-day concert, with performances starting at 6:00 PM EDT on both days.Yeah it'll sell out LA is a hub for weebs for one and two there will be festivals and huge fireworks shows to catch after it ends, Cover is basically taking advantage of a tourist trap.
they hate us
>>110312443No knowing Mococo, they just won't announce streams anymore. Also that Twitter shit didn't work, Nerissa streamed more for like a week and then went back to not streaming.
>>110312470With the world cup, the problem will be finding a hotel
>>110312498Americans don't give a fuck about soccer.
>>110312457*headpat*
>>110312491At least jailbirds are getting oot and cover afterparty zatsudans. We don't even get that as ruffians anymore. They even cut their fes talk short because they had homework.
>>110312491They already dropped schedules for precisely that reason. They are immune to criticism because they simply don't care and they know no one will hold them accountable. Look how quickly the Valentine's vacation got forgiven and forgotten.
>>110312533No fans "hold their oshi" accountable, they just leave.
Even Suisei has streamed more then they have in the past week
Is the cover getting culled by youtube? The views after premiere were nowhere near the pajama reveal
>>110312504Not the other countries
>>110312504The point isn't americans. It is about tourists flying in from all over the world
>>110312455Koyori pleases old fat men for money
>>110312587You're thinking of Ayame. Koyori pleases Joshukuns for love.
>>110312577The point isn't for people flying in just for it to go, they scheduled it when they did because they know people that already live there or that have booked anime expo already will add it to their itineraries. It's as simple as that. They didn't give a fuck that it's inaccessible to Timmy twofuck in Texas.
>>110312597Joshukuns are old fat men just like Ruffians...
>>110312577i checked my credit card for hotel deals and it's like 2k for the entire AX and serendipity weekendill try some other deal places
>>110312600Isn't half of LA latinos? They love their soccer(well they love Messi)
>>110312553>they just leavewhich holds them accountable as evidenced by them view begging on the cover, they'll figure it out eventually.. or fizzle out and either give up on their dreams and coast which means they'll stream more.. Lucky for us they can't hold real jobs so graduation is off the table.
they hate everything about me except my money
>>110312639They hate me and they don't even know who I am.
>>110312633>Lucky for us they can't hold real jobs so graduation is off the table.They're also probably tens of thousands in debt to cover too after the start of the year concert and covers and visa cost increase so I don't think they can leave even if they wanted to. Which they don't.
>>110311749>they went menhera crying about costs of the coverWhen did that even happen
>>110312553BAUSED
>>110312672>visa cost increaseYou know that is $500 right...? Which is peanuts compared to how much I paid when I applied for a greencard. That set me back by 10k...
>>110312702Today
>>110312728my visa was like 12k total and now i gotta pay like 9k for a green card application they might denyso fucked
>>110312750good luck, it was a nightmare waiting for the approval. I am glad it is over
>>110312769im just worried it will take too long for the approval and I'll have to reapply for my visa which will be another 6k minimum
>>110312553>No fans "hold their oshi" accountable, they just leave.The closest it got was BP2. FWMC at least now make an effort to not ignore us like we're not there in chat like they used to in a jp stream.
>>110312597
>>110312728They're hundreds of thousands in debt anon
>>110312728>>110312750>>110312769>>110312786>>>/trash/
>>110312786ngl, be prepared for it. Premium processing is now 45 business days instead of 15. I got mine earlier when the queue was shorter and even then, it took awhile.
>>110312597Sex with pink women.
>>110312835
>>110312851hi.
Keeping it real but if they don't do an ASMR, members wallpaper and a full week of MWF fwmc morning, or a permanent change to it. this month I'm taking an even bigger step back. I don't think I'm having unreasonable expectations am I?
>>110312672>They're also probably tens of thousands in debt>>110312824>They're hundreds of thousands in debtWhich is it?
>>110312851Stop doomscrolling Moco-chan and put up a waiting room for Wesident Evil Wequiem
>>110312876Yes because the monthly members ASMR is a joke, the Valentines one that was delayed twice probably counts as the one for this month.
>>110312876>if they don't do an ASMRyou know we are getting an advent ASMR collab right?
>>110312884I only said tens of thousands and I'm confident in it. Unless you think two full studio 3D with that many guests including a travel vlog and a full concert is cheap.
>>110312908This guy >>110312876 watching stream?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>110312908Yes I am aware. And if they count that as their promised doggy pack ASMR for the month I'm not going to be happy.
If FuwaMoco played every flavor of the month friend slop with each other they'd be 5views easy. It's a shame they waste their potential.
>>110312855Koyote would wape a raffian
>>110312884There's debt to cover, debt to parents, and debt to Japanese loan sharks
>>110312928I watch streams, the few times they actually do it. I don't see how a group asmr showing off their pajamas and doing meme as meme asmr fulfills the promise of monthly members ASMR? They already missed January and February's got delayed to march so they don't have a lot of wiggle room for me.
>>110312064If you want a real answer, holos have stated many times that they get up to 3 custom merch sets a year to make and sell if they want toMost take the obvious birthday and anniversary dates for merch releases, leaving them with 1 more set to release whenever they want to, so they usually take any excuse they can find to release it around a certain theme, be it milestones like a certain amount of subs, new outfits, even Christmas like Korone did or straight up random shit like Marine's merch set based on her ass
>>110312941Nene plays every fotm and she's 2 view
>>110312897Do you have anything else better to do instead of always bitching /here/ about asmr and their stream output? Stop being a pussy and actually send a suppa if you're that autistic about it. Or are you one of those who sends a happy supportive message in the comments and then comes back /here/ to cry about their content?
>>110313013kek
>>110313013>haughtily HELLO?'s you
>>110312533>they already dropped schedulesYou should really stop falling back on this, you get BTFO'd every time they post a new one as recently as pic related
>>110313013HELLO??
>>110313040Not him but the last schedule they posted was the first one in months and they canceled over half of it.
>>110313041The hamster ball...
>>110313013Mofufu is real???
>>110313040>>110313047they just need to move fuwamoco morning to their actual morningit's retarded to do it at midnight
>>110313082It's retarded to do it at all with their time management skills.
>>110313075And you fuckers told me that FUWAMOCO would be unaffected by her moving to Japan. We lost schedules we lost streams we lost almost everything. Now all they do is spend time fucking off with newissa it feels like.
>>110313102no it's retarded because if they do it at midnight and need to be at the studio for 9 then they're only getting 5-6 hours of sleep
>fortniteLMAO
>>110313127They're only getting 3-4 hours of sleep to begin with even when they aren't doing FWMC Morning. Anything you cut out to "give them more time to sleep" they will just fill with more homework. I'd rather have streams instead.
Uh why did they schedule fortnite for 30 minutes prior to fwmc morning? Did they already think they cancelled it?
>>110313075Read the fucking room Negrissa, they're crying and in debt because Wuffians won't loop their music in private playlists 24/7 like the Jailbirds do your music.
>Stream at JP hoursOh come on.
finally... we will play fortnite, this time with a suisei buff@NerissaRavencroft @ElizabethRoseBloodflame
Collab with Mofufu?
>>110313159Based
I fucking hate fortnite and I fucking hate Negrissa.
>>110313143>private playlistsFWMC deserve better fans.
>>110313335The way they are now, they barely deserve the Ruffians.
>>110312457>>110313013>>110313044>>110313075>>110313159>>110313116Nerissa is singlehandedly responsible for ruining the Golden Gen. She supported and encoured Shiori to do male collabs and when the novelites complained about it Nerissa liked tweets from homobeggars saying that "the people complaining about homocollabs weren't real fans", she convinced Biboo and FWMC to stop making schedules, she criticized FWMC for "working too hard" and "caring too much" and encoured them to be lazy like her, she brought shiptranny homobeggars into the Advent fanbase, and she tricked the rest of Advent into thinking that their fans want shitty kpop slop. Every single bad thing related to Advent can be traced directly back to Nerissa. She is like a cancer that is slowly killing Advent with her laziness and obsession with kpop/yuribaiting.
I was able to get my paws on the #FUWAMOCO #ホロローソン collab that started todayTraded with some kind 日本ニキ to complete my button badges, card set and keychain thank you内気ですみません ,,>﹏<,,The merch set is super duper cute and love it lotsBAU BAU
>>110313497Their ideal ruffian. I don't see anan posting about buying it anywhere.
>>110313485>yuribaitingWell that's about to end, Shiori was her successful case study plus ERB stonewalls her yuribaiting now >>110306080
>>110313532And fuwamoco had a man in their birthday concert. Who cares? Do you hate Kiara too because she mentions her coworkers when relevant instead of pretending they don't exist?
>>110313573>Do you hate Kiara tooare you lost?
>>110313532>Negrissa randomly talks about homos on stream nowYikes... she is worse than I thought. And this bitch is constantly trying to influence FWMC too, this is actually GRIM.
>>110313515They lost anan because they didn't wish him happy birthday. Maybe when they read superchats in half a year they'll get to it.
it's honestly really sad how barely any current EN ruffians know yuri kuma
>>110313619>yuriWell, there you go. I don't give a shit about yuri.
>>110313573>Do you hate Kiara too because she mentions her coworkers when relevant instead of pretending they don't exist?Yes?
>>110312973>I watch streamHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>110313619>yuri kumaAnime is mostly over saturated trash now to the point I haven't went out of my way to look for hidden gems for over 10 years which is when this came out.
Time to spam friend requests because you know they are too stupid to disable it. I'll have a few telling mococo to stop doing homework. streams > projects
>>110313650Calm down Phasecuck
>>110313641same desu
>>110313485streams dropped off because they'd rather spend time with the mofufu. "we miss you and want to play games together!" and it's ruined because niggerissa is there... not to mention the stream time it's currently scheduled for sucks ass.
Kanauru is doing their demons residence MV which is why it's been delayed because he has a huge queue. Maybe hanging out with him more in Japan can move them up?
>>110313681Yeah, it's literally all Negrissa's fault. FWMC's stream hours plummeted when she moved to Japan. She is not satisfied with just ruining her career, she wants to ruin FWMC's career too.
>>110313692Kill yourself. Stop deflecting from Negrissa’s involvement in this situation, jailcuck.
>>110313721More like cover forced her to move to Japan and fuwamoco are her only friends so they feel obligated to spend time with her because they helped convince her to move. Biboo is too dedicated to streaming so it all falls on fwmc and they can't say no to her.
>>110313619Most people my age and theirs fell out of love with anime around 2014-2015. I mean they themselves basically stopped watching anime in 2009. Also even if you were still watching in 2015, you're telling me people would watch and remember Yurikuma over Gintama, Non Non Biyori, Monogatari, One Punch Man, Shokugeki no Soma, Unlimited Blade Works, Stardust Crusaders, Yahari, Working, Prison School, or Overlord?
>>110313641>hidden gemsit's directed by Kunihiko Ikuharaanyways the thread is obliged to watch it now since I imagine the anime is related to their current thought process right nowor they just really like bonjour suzuki which is also correct
>>110313159>30 minutes before FWMC morning
>>110313782Don't worry both will be cancelled when they fixed nothing and have tech issues again.
They should cancel again, im stuck on the toilet
https://x.com/amplewhy/status/2033441908513558914?s=46
>>110313800I blame Negrissa
>>110313485>Nerissa is singlehandedly responsible for ruining the Golden Gen>Shiorinot singlehandedly then
Just is responsible for ruining advent too. Gigi mainly
>>110313848She convinced her to do homocollabs
I genuinely think we might have a month or more without a single stream once the world tour starts. Even though it's all pre-recorded they love to larp about practicing every second until it happens.
>>110313907>>110313835
>>110313650ABSOLUTELY BASED
>>110313932She's the one that convinced them to do it this year. She told them the Jailbirds were happy with her not streaming for half the year and she convinced fwmc the ruffians would be too.
>>110313881Shiori wanted to do that shit since debut and either chickened out or got tard wrangled after the backlash
>>110314017>Please respect my collab choices
>>110314017>tard wrangledYou know Shiori's manager is THE male collab pusher
>>110314017And? FUWAMOCO had it as a goal from debut too. And they actually collabed in person in 3D while sweaty with their man. Shiori only talked to them over the Internet and insulted them as pathetic twinks and cucks the entire time.
if ruffians get wronged one more time, i'm pressing the dislike button on their fucking cover
>>110313650No fucking balls
>>110314061I don't understand how there wasn't more uproar over this. A literal irl 3d male collab, and fuwamoco of all people? This would kill a members career a few years ago
>>110313854GI MURIIIIINNNNNNBOAT GOES BINTED!!!
I hope their explodes and they become financially dependent on us again so that they are forced to stream.
>>110314115Only a true based vtuber enjoyer would say this
>>110314058The project director overruled her manager and saved Advent's reputation as the golden gen for a good year
... Why is the Fortnite stream scheduled for 30 minutes before FWMC Morning
>>110314115They're not that shameless... right?
>>110314287Another FWMC Morning canceled because of Suisei...
>>110314394I have to assume it's either meant to be today or they put pm instead of am
>>110313650Mofufu will tell them to turn it off after her blunder.
>>110314410Could be today and they got their days mixed up
Mococo has big breasts too but she had top surgery to become a boy.
Mococo tummy beats.
Can any of the jpschizos tell me if it's a jp stream ot not? If so I'll just watch the vod later.
>>110314552>English title>English description>Possibly collab with NerissaYou're good.
they'll make nerissa speak Japanese
>>110314594Haven't Jailbirds been cucked enough?
>>110314115BAUsed
FIRST TIME
>>110314086because that guy is Japanese lolcow meme no one takes seriouslyhe isn't a male rival he's a joke
>>110314115I hate to even think like this but I do miss when they were like that. Now we're just a gold fish where they feed us from time to time but we're mostly forgotten about.
>>110314115they should beg and cry for our attention desuif they don't depend on us they will depend on someone else
>>110314697
>>110314760fuwawa is always in heat
>>110314760>we miss you so muchthen stream instead of doing idol shit. dumb dogs. how can they pull this move more than once
>>110314115That's how I see it too. The less they stream and the more they cancel, the less motivated people will be to listen to their music. And they'll feel even more guilty and menhera if the new song doesn't get big numbers quickly. This will benefit us in the long term.
why do retard antis think I'll stop watching just because FWMC stream less than usual these days? I got through the move to Japan with a month of no streams, this is nothing.
kek I feel like they're referencing the osanpo incident in their tweet
mocobrap
>>110314067>>110313650These are good steps but are baby steps, Ruffians need to take notes from Jailbirds.
>>110315481jailbirds actively anti their oshi all the time
