>>110767648
We don't need two threads for this running at the same time.
Get on here! >>110765014

>>110767648
The saddest part is this board is so dead now that people will forget this happened in a week and you'll be left with the same 3ish anons bumping their threads as the only memory it happened...

>>110767648
RIPBOZO

>>110765014
not my problem

>>110767648
>a branch nobody likes because men are inherently unwelcome in vtubing, whose "fanbase" mainly consists of woke twitter virtue signalers who don't actually watch them or give them money, is unsustainable
Holy fuck no way

>>110767648
apoplogy for poor english
when were u when homostar was kill?
i was sat at home fucking my gura daki when yagoo ring
'homo is kill'
'ok'

>>110767648
They needed 5 years to figure that out?

>>110767648
holostars gone
ahahaha no more fuck toys for those hags

>no one here watches or cares about holostars
>suddenly EVERYONE here cares about what happens to them
???

>>110768140
The only people still on /vt/ are dramafags after the vtuber fans left, so they'll take anything they can get.

>>110768140
Drama board, drama posts, drama fags.

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>>110767923
This.

>>110768140
The same can be said on Xitter, but only the watch part.

so is HolostarsEN next or are they actually just barely profitable enough to keep from outright killing?

>>110768351
Who knows what's next?
It'd explain why Matsuri's been so desperate to change her rep if she's worried about getting axed

>>110768351
roru
rumao

>>110768140
>making fun of someone = you care about them
I'll be celebrating as I piss on their graves

it only cost them what 9~10 girls quitting?

Migrating.

>>110768468
cant wait for homowhore solidarity graduations

>>110768468
I sense a few are coming back.

>>110768140
>absolute fucking retard
They're siphoning money from the girls. Stars always have been and always will be Yagoo's weird personal side project that he kept on life support for way too long at the cost of everyone else in the company.

This is comparable to a game dev using the success of one game to dump money into some other passion project that nobody gives a fuck about. Just because consumers don't give a fuck about the passion project does not mean there aren't valid reasons to be happy about the plug being pulled on the money sink. Same company, same resources.

REST IN PISS

>>110768596
>They're siphoning money from the girls
If that's actually happening then every talent working for cover should be arguing for a better cut right now or leaving. Stars cut isn't going into their combined projects, Hololive girls aren't offsetting it anymore. Everyone should get a better cut out of this move.

>>110768675
Yes quit your free money glitch only because not everything goes to you. Great Idea!

>>110768828
>your free money glitch
That's called leeching, anon. We don't do that in Hololive anymore.

>>110768351

I don't think it's the case but it wouldn't surprise me if HolostarsEN was profitible. I always felt they had a bigger audience reach and western viewers might be more inclined to them.
Realistically though they're probably on thin ice. I don't think they'll cut them in this year though.

>>110768884
>That's called leeching, anon. We don't do that in Hololive anymore.
So when are ID and half of EN getting cout off?they consume more than they bring in.

>>110768828
If they aren't going to give a better cut then nothing changes for the girls and holostars were never at fault for the money being siphoned away.

>>110767648
Thats right behead all homostars and throw their bodies in the gutter forever to be forgotten

>>110767671
>B-B-B-BUT BUT BUT MY HOMOCOLLABERR COLLABED WITH THE HOMO AIIEEEEEE WHY IS THIS HAPENNING SISTEEEER?!

>>110767648
>Unicorns are winning
sad days ahead

>>110767923
I felt bad at first until i looked through all the twitter replies and different post and saw the majority of people were trying to blame it on them not being able to collab with everyone in Hololive.

HAHAHAHAHA HOMO SISTERS YOU LOST

>>110769867
It's not truly over until the same annoucement is made for the ENhomos.

>>110768140
This board ALWAYS cared about the Homos.
At least a third of the posts in /#/ are related to the homos and their poor (for Holo standards) numbers.
And thats before the cuckposting raids which adds another sixth.

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>Myron

>>110767648
I feel bad for Astel, Roberu, Oga and Izuru.
The rest not so much

>>110770892
Fuma and Rio are the only Stars I ever found genuinely charming, not enough to watch their content longterm but I'd probably buy a good doujin of them buttfucking each other.

>>110767671
well now there's only one thread

>>110768372
She already commented on Roberu's stream that she's considering inviting them to her stuff in Cover's studio as a loophole.

>>110767648
if cover is applying the banishment room tactic to avoid the negative PR of firing/axing the branch, what's the point of announcing it to the fans? isn't this giving them negative PR as well?

>>110768596
Just one thing that struck me as odd with your example... Its the gamedev's money. He earned it, not you. He can do what he wants with the fruits of his labor and if you disapprove of how he spends his hard-earned money you can go elsewhere. He is the one who went through the sleepless nights of making a game, if he wants to make a game the market doesn't like then I don't see why that should matter to the consumers beyond them not paying.

>>110769722
Just Twitter things I guess

>>110770892
Miyabi can be frustrating with how much he doesn't move but its just impossible to stay mad at him. Its like a puppy that bites your shoes, he genuinely doesn't mean any harm.

>>110771297
It's so they don't start asking questions when the holo ambassador thing gets announced next week

>>110771329
and the homos aren't present*

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>>110767648
>We hired 800 employees to run our live service game that will shut down in a couple years
>We must pay this salary by cutting our streamers down!
Holostars are not the end of this btw, they simply won't announce they're doing this when suddenly Roboco or something doesn't do a birthday live eventually

Stars are cooked evidently but it looks like the talent popularity across the whole company stalled out

Honestly amazed this happened before a managment succession in Cover. This is like telling Walt Disney to stop building trains.

>>110771392
HOMOSEETHE

>>110771392
Cope more homoflop lol

I'm ready for the melties from homobeggars on twitter
>You don't need to watch holostars to support them

>homos can't use the studio anymore
BASED
A E
S S
E A
DESAB
them being able to use the studio at will when EN talents had to wait years to get in was bullshit

>>110771648
they literally were not using the studio already. the en girls are not going to suddenly get 10000000 3d streams at hololive's studio now. they still have to wait behind Suisei, and other more profitable holos who Cover has already proven both with Suisei's new freedom and this decision that they will show favoritism based on profits.

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>>110768140
I don't care, I'm just here to gloat. lmao

>>110771392
HOMOSEETHE YOU LOST TRANNY

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>>110767648
Lucky for them a new agency just opened up looking for some aspiring talents.

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UNICORN CHAD W

Homostars is over? Damn. Pouring one out for... uh... could someone tell me who's in holostars again?

>>110771426
The homos have been failing to meet their goals for 3-4 years in a row now, even Yagoo realizes he has to cut them off at some point (he might have had some "persuasion" from board of directors or other high level management).

I've been waiting a long time to see if Homostars gets liquidated mainly because I want to see if Ollie, ERB, Shiori, and all of their beggar fans end up killing themselves over it

>>110771748
I really do wonder what they're gonna blame the lack of 3D streams on after Stars moves on.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
LMFAO EVEN

not a big loss for vtubing

>>110771949
Shiori or Negrissa will just turn to another grift for example trying to appeal to their trannie supporters

>>110771949
This, I'm here for Ollie breaking down in to tears on stream

>>110767648
What will phase connect do now? Did anyone check on Tenma? Is she suicidal? What about Rie and her biggest offcollab partner from homostars? Will Pippa be alright without homostars to shill?
Please I'm worried I can't handle another vtuber suicide this year

>>110771887
their goals were even reduced to accomodate them, they needed just 100k subs to get their 3d while Devis had to beg for subs just to get past their 250k requirement

>>110771748
>hey still have to wait behind Suisei, and other more profitable holos
this has been a known fact for awhile, and while I don't like it, it at least makes sense. but prioritizing favorites like Suisei AND bottom-feeders like the homos over EN talents was retarded

>>110772063
Anon, even phase does not care about Holostars JP

Grrr, this never would have happened if they were just allowed to collab with even more girls!!

>>110767648
RIP in pieces. If it's truly financially unsustainable it can't be helped, but I'm worried this is a "we're doing it to please the shareholders" move.

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>>110771392
Stay mad homobeggar

wtf i love the shareholders now

shareholders should focus on monthly earlicking asmr from each talent.

>>110772224
based and agree

>>110771163
I remember in her PL she had a reference to roberu as part of her lore

>>110767648
HAHAHAHAHA its finally over. All the fucking homocollabers and retarded shill faggots will be silenced for good. You know half of the stars will probably just go indie and the rest will just slowly disappear with no real incentive. You love to see it.

>>110768884
>We don't do that in Hololive anymore.
You're delusional if you think the girls are gonna get more of their earnings after this. It just means that the company will get to keep a bigger share instead of dumping most of it into Homo.

>>110770501
this obviously will extend to them too sooner than later. they make even less money than the JPs

a hollow victory, the damage is already done, true balance will be achieved when all the male collabers leave

>>110772125
they weren't prioritizing Stars over any other members. before this, for like the last 4 years they basically were told they aren't allowed to do events. they basically got the choice between getting to do a 3D stream or getting to do merch that isn't just an acrylic stand, and they rarely got 3D events. this assumption that EN girls were getting shafted in favor of stars is just a bullshit lie perpetrated by random EN fans trying to find anything to blame Cover's obvious biases against specific members on the girls' side

>>110772263
It means more employees to hire to work on HoloEarth and the new mobile game and whatever other live service metaverse thing they're going to churn out for shareholders to jerk off over

>>110772401
>this assumption that EN girls were getting shafted in favor of stars is just a bullshit lie perpetrated
theres literally proof of the girls being denied access to the studios because homostars had to use them not to mention them not being allowed to overlap streams with homo events
you are talking out of your ass

>>110767726
Man if only we had people who you know...
Actually streamed?
Like my indie oshi who literally streams every day. In the end we're going to be forever trapped in the cycle of girls not streaming, us begging for new girls because the current girls down't stream, getting new girls, then complaining about the new girls, then begging for new girls because the new girls dont stream.

why is there so much overlap between stars fans and leftists, down to pretending cover hasn't been burning money on these wastes of air for years

>>110772464
>not being allowed to overlap streams with homo events
hasn't been the case since 2024 but okay

Get FUCKED, you cause supporting blue FAGGOT. Guess your "allies" had no money to support you back.

>>110767648
Years of sisters cope finally BTFO, right from the horses mouth.
Of course they didn't carry their own weight.
Of course numbers matter, no your boys don't magically extract more income from an order of magnitude fewer fans.
Of course there was an opportunity cost to giving them limited studio time and making the girls wait.
Of course delaying advent for 2+ years to focus on launching (and force feeding) starsEN did untold damage right when hololive was at it's most popular.

>>110768596
>Siphoning money from the girls
They do that themselves. They literally waste most of their time on events that are only for a small segment of the fanbase. This is just a distraction from things that we have already been talking about for years. There are girls to this day who still bitch and moan about not getting their shitty """""""live"""""""""

>>110767648
Based, they want them to quit.

>>110772486
The fanbase resembles the streamer.

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>>110772505
>it never happened!
>okay it did happen but the last time it happened was over a year ago, it doesn't count!!! <---you're here
>okay it happened last year too b-b-b-but the unicorns!!!!!

>>110771392
>they simply won't announce they're doing this when suddenly Roboco or something doesn't do a birthday live eventually
Roboco went YEARS without doing one before this year's, retard. Birthday lives are paid by the talents, the only thing they don't have to pay for is studio and staff time, but all of the assets, song rights, mixing, instrumentals, dance lessons, all comes out of pocket, always has.

>>110767648
Oboretai Writing Ch. in shambles

KEK

>>110767648
If this shit had happened years ago and all that wasted support went to myth when they were trying to do random projects maybe cover wouldn’t have had to go public

>>110772671
And lets not forget, if money is tight for literally everyone and every thing then there is even less incentive to use what resources are available.
If we're going on just return on investment then most of what the girls, by their admission, is just a bad idea.

does this mean they are basically like free agents now?

It's so surreal. We've shitposted about this for years, but I never thought it would actually happen.

I just wanted to say I've always liked Flayon's taste in media, though I always felt like his voice was a bit unpleasantly loud.

>>110772735
Cover going public was an inevitability. The lingering question was how shit the company was going to become in the years that followed

homo no passaran

>>110772828
Yes, Holostars are basically indies now but they still have to hand over their earnings to Cover.

>>110772852
the job is not done yet

>>110772735
Going public is the endgame of using venture capital, people talk about going public without understanding how this works. Your "good times" wouldn't have existed without the certainty that they would go public (or broke) eventually.
The future where Cover didn't go public doesn't exist because YAGOO didn't have money to start out of his own pocket.
It's not "it was doing so well, why did it need to go public?", it's "it was doing so well BECAUSE they were bound to go public"

>>110772863
if cover going public contributed to homos getting finally axed as they should've years ago I'm considering it a net positive

>>110772828
they still need to ask perms from cover for everything

>>110772828
Not really, they are mostly similar to indies but they are still under Cover.
Specifically, they still have managers, they still can make use of Cover's connections (according to the guideline, ofc) and they still get legal protections. On the other hand, they still need to follow their perm system.

So are the EN stars likely weighing their options right now?

>Holostars is profitable
They said

>>110772863
This is a massive improvement, though

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>>110772991
*until the same justification is used on your favorite holo

>>110772985
Holostars streams are profitable, they cost Cover nothing and they get a cut of the earnings. Holostars studio time is not profitable, it uses the same equipment and staff that can run highly successful full branch concerts, that much is obvious.
Firing them would be stupid, it's free money. Keeping them as equals to the girls would also be stupid, it's a waste of money. This is just the logical conclusion they've been trying to avoid.

>>110773012
I don't care about whatifs especially when said whatif is about a slippery slope argument.
But I will bite: if one day my oshi becomes unprofitable, I'd understand if her support gets cut, too. I won't be happy, but I'd understand.
Given that even RBC who is one of the least popular member still has enough money to buy a several hundreds thousands bucks house in Tokyo, though? That day probably won't come anytime soon

>>110772524
>delaying advent for 2+ years
I remember when early 2023 when StarsEN 3 (the worst of the bunch btw) got shit out when it was supposed to be Advent's turn. Even the plebbit hugbox was pissed off about it

Side note: As much as r/hololive is supposed to be officially moderated, I'm pretty sure the staff that were mods completely disappeared after running damage control on this

>>110773113
That happened with Tempus2.
No one cared about Armpit, because they debuted after Advent.

>>110771392
> in a couple years
*months

>>110773079
It will when Cover in their efforts to look better to shareholders will keep trying to expand into other fields and hire more and more employees. All those salaries to pay, all that office space they're going to have to pay for, all the resources that will have to go into some metaverse/AI/whatever bullshit that tech shareholders demand is going to have to come from somewhere and some lower rung JP who already doesn't get enough studio time as is will be the first to get their support scaled back

>>110767648
Before you gloat too much, just remember that if shareholders had their way, Cover would ultimately keep its top 15-20 financially performing talents and cut everyone else. This is the first step on that path, and it won't be the last.

>>110773216
Considering even the least popular holo girl is a 4view while the homostar is a low end 2view, think they will be ok. The homostar tumor is finally cut off

>>110773254
worth the risk desu

>Beggars need to invent hypothetical scenarios to make people care about Homos
What a sad state of being they are...

>>110773013
Yeah they're not profitable

cover never cared about shareholders, if they're so unprofitable they had to have their support cut means their situation was more grim than we could've imagined

>>110772996
post more of these if you have them

>>110773319
>cover never cared about shareholders
just a retarded thing to say about any company

>>110767648
is there any official word on if this effects EN homos or not?

>>110773312
It's making me vaguely remember Haachama's rant about financial issues, and I don't think it looks good.

>>110767648
My only complaint with this announcement is that they haven’t included Stars EN in it yet.

It is what it is, I guess.
Since I mostly follow JP, the graduation list stands out. Aqua, Shion, Chloe, and Kanata are not just regular members. Even including Suisei’s solo career, these are all top tier talents in terms of revenue.
This points to a deeper issue with Cover, which is efficiency. As the company grows, overhead increases and what once worked starts to break down.
For top talents, growth should create opportunities, but instead it becomes a burden. More popularity brings more work, restrictions, and friction, until the cost outweighs the benefit.
At the same time, there is an imbalance. Lower earners continue to receive support and demand more resources, while top performers carry the load and are hit hardest by inefficiency.
The pattern is clear. The ones creating the most value quietly leave, while the noise remains. Over time, this distorts priorities and makes it seem like managing that noise is part of the business.
Recent changes may be necessary, but they look bad because they came too late. Cover let the inefficiency become normalized, giving the impression that this imbalance was sustainable.

>>110773299
Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face!

Good luck then. Hope that Hololive doesn't turn into 24/7 infighting when its made clear to the girls the lowest performers will get axed.

>>110773392
But it is

>>110773188
Eh, you know what I meant.

110773403
Aqua and Shion quit because they wanted to take it easy, Chloe quit because she wanted to join her friend and Kanata quit because of health issues but nice try

>>110773403
Isn’t this what also Gura was complaining about in members streams, not being able to do whatever projects she wanted or cover taking seemingly forever to get back to her

Ironically Marine complained about this recently too

>>110773474
I don’t think so. They talked about Holostars being 12 currently active members in their announcement and the tweets from the EN guys are sympathetic but they’re acting like this doesn’t impact them.

>>110773254
Suisei's acquisition of her own studio was already a victory for shareholders. This implies that Cover and shareholders will be left with Suisei, aka their one and only golden goose, in the worst-case situation when Hololive has collapsed and become semi-disbanded as a result of several hololive talents leaving en masse.

Holostars niggers should just quit and get a real job instead of begging money. None of them are talented anyway

>>110767648
took them long enough

>>110767648
I'm more surprised it took this long for them to finally make this change

>>110773531
Not a JP watcher but from what I heard Kanata also had a LOT of gripes with how things were being handled at Cover. Like to the point she'd have graduated even without the health issues.

"Taking it easy" can also be codeword for "I don't want to deal with this corpo bullshit anymore" but just being diplomatic about it.

Is it for all Holostars or just Holostars JP?

>>110767935
Kek

>>110773254
Nah, look how long yagoo was able to protect the homos even after going public despite them being a drain on resources from day 1 and also causing friction and ugliness in the wider fanbase due to the existence of males in the idol corpo.

You can't make the same argument about the ID branch for example regardless of their views being low there are established relationships, pairings between them and more popular talents, people look forward to Risu, Ollie and Moona knocking it out of the park at holofes every year even if they don't watch their streams. They contribute to the whole in a way that the homo branch never did and I don't think the bigwigs at cover would have much problem spelling that out to the soulless shareholders.

>>110773537
people are constantly ignoring the many instances of complaints which was basically the start of talent vs corporation fights that litter this board.
What they said isn't going to change the fact that there are still massive inefficiencies on the corporate side and unfortunately no one can get laid off.

>>110773531
Kanata certainly had complaints about how the company was ran, it literally wasn’t just about health reasons

>>110772996
I dont quite understand what the image trying to say. Is it that holostar fans dont actually support holostars that much?

>>110773254
That's like saying coca cola would only keep coca cola and sprite, yet they have a bunch of smaller ones. Even if they're smaller, they contribute to their market share and revenue. This is business 101.

>>110773665
>Is it that holostar fans dont actually support holostars that much?
Yes
Their form of "support" is a twitter like and never watching streams while they demand hololive let them leech (they'll still not watch them)

>>110773603
Ok, cards on the table, they did fuck up with kanata, iirc they sunset the holowitch thing right after too, it is a workload issue, and they need to watch out and communicate better, if possible girls must have the right to exit any project at any point in time

>>110767648
kek

>>110773662
>Kanata quit because of health issues


You just said 1 of the 3 points Kanata mentioned as the reasons for leaving.

>>110773717
He won.

Are people still going to pretend Cover isn't a black company?

>>110773731(me)
>>110773662
sorry, meant for >>110773531

So what's going to happen next is the next few Holostars streams will have an uptick in views because the "audience" showed up but then after a week will taper back down to original levels

>>110773647
>They contribute to the whole in a way that the homo branch never did and I don't think the bigwigs at cover would have much problem spelling that out to the soulless shareholders.
With the amount of members there are these days, I honestly bet most people watching holofes wouldn't even realize Moona or Risu aren't even there outside of the general sentimentality of "omg da former members are with us in spirit cheering our oshis on!"

>>110773670
And the coca cola company is doing fairly well this year despite the pressure on consumers. But at the same time they do have products they have insane reach, far more than vtubers which is still niche

>>110773779
No, what's going to happen next is total holo death

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>>110767648
Heh get bent homobeggars maybe you should have watched streams instead of twitter posting about unicorns all day

>>110773647
>friction and ugliness in the wider fanbase
I'm a Starmin but from what I've seen the EN guys stick almost completely to their own, any friction and fighting is almost always self-caused by a fool from the Live side blowing things out of proportion like how that Myron guy got signalboosted by the drama horsegirl.

Dunno about JP, but EN seems to do well for itself and as long as you don't check Twitter too much or poke your nose where it doesn't belong the experience seems to be chill.

>>110767648
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GET FUCKED HOMOBEGGERS!

Cover will still take a cut of their superchat and shit while not supporting them in any way right? lol, they're just trying to make them all quit, right?

>>110773829
>I'm a Starmin
Not for long

>>110773695
Well I would watch streams if they fucking streamed at normal times, don't overlap, streamed consistently, streamed actual good games, don't stream FOTM, and aren't massive faggots like flayon and ruze.

>>110769722
I will never not find it funny that they thought they were always just one co-ed collab from korone levels of popularity.

>>110773853
it's the classic stereotypical black company tactic

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>>110773829
>the Live side

>>110773079
Yeah
If my oshi ever reaches the point she barely get viewers or merch sold, im sure she would just leave anyway

Is the dream over?

>>110773531
Aqua was straight-up burnt out. I’ll give you Shion.

>>110773871
I do think the EN side was building momentum to breakout status, but then they cut the two most popular members and everything went off a cliff.

>>110773829
one of your retarded talent always tries to pick a fight to the very people who subsidize his entire pathetic existence, you pathetic fucking faggot.

Suddenly this niggress remember the homos kek. Where was she when the two retards left?

>>110773717
Myron I kneel

>>110773531
cover really should just let the girls be streamers only if they want

>>110773871
I mean, they kind of were. Roberu and Kaoru were both like 5k sub randos in 2020, then holo girls started talking to them and within a few months were over 100k. Kaoru got terminated before he could do it, but Roberu was able to pull that off. Those collabs got him noticed by other vtubers, other groups, other circles and he was able to form connections and get opportunities that helped him grow more. Had Cover allowed this kind of environment from the beginning, they absolutely would've been more popular as demonstrated by the fact that there were members who exploded in popularity way more once those restrictions were lifted. Instead, Cover got them labeled as pariahs immediately by being so weird about who they were and weren't allowed to interact with and making it clear to segregate them in such a weird way.

>>110773950
The only one I can see doing that is Jurard and even with him its relatively rare. I guess I can see how people might interpret the way Octavio promoted his Cold Blue song as him picking a fight with the Live fanbase or whatever.

If you know of specifics I'd like to hear them.

Amelia hope you are happy now!

>>110772433
holoearth is a bigger pit than stars

>>110773888
The problem is, none of them ever left. Most companies would sacrifice an entire ID branch just to keep Aqua.

>>110774019
??? ERB? Suisei?Ayame? Choco?

>>110774019
but then the shareholders can't make money off the IP expansion they want to do with them!